[00:09] <kiko-afk> mdz, no problem. thanks for pointing out the issue
[01:20] <superm1> can a launchpad admin look at this: https://edge.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu-hotfixes/+archive/+build/568707
[01:21] <superm1> it's failing because its the first package in the PPA
[01:21] <superm1> and won't build 
[01:21] <superm1> "Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/mythbuntu-hotfixes/ubuntu/dists/hardy/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found"
[01:24] <stdin> a workaround would be to upload another version
[01:25] <stdin> superm1: but the file exists now, so try a rebuild
[01:25] <superm1> stdin, okay i'll hit the retry 
[01:33] <superm1> yup that worked
[01:33] <superm1> thanks
[01:33] <superm1> how long until the binary publishes though?
[01:34] <superm1> it says it built and all
[01:55] <Fujitsu> stdin: Publisher runs every 20 minutes. The bug you encountered then was fixed this morning, so will be rolled out with 1.2.4
[01:55] <Fujitsu> Er, superm1 ^^
[04:03] <Hobbsee> kiko-afk: feel free to revert the cherry pick - i can't test it on production now anyway
[06:16] <ubotu> New bug: #221276 in launchpad "email obfuscation not working in Launchpad" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/221276
[07:01] <ubotu> New bug: #221283 in soyuz "Not necessary to show the architecture in /+builds" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/221283
[08:04] <carlos> morning
[08:35] <ubotu> New bug: #221296 in soyuz "Package diff component needs implementation" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/221296
[09:30] <mpt> Gooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[09:33] <Fujitsu> Happy Hardy day, mpt.
[09:34] <mpt> Same to you, Fujitsu 
[09:36] <ubotu> New bug: #221305 in soyuz "Present last 5 PPA uploads in $distro/+ppas" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/221305
[13:39] <StevenK> I was curious in finding out when Launchpad processed deletions in PPAs?
[13:45] <stdin> SteveA: see the Help link in the top right of the delete page
[13:45] <stdin> SteveA: *top left
[13:47] <SteveA> stdin: okay. ;-)
[13:49]  * Hobbsee waves to SteveA
[13:49] <SteveA> hi Hobbsee 
[13:51] <stdin> how many Steve's are there, sheesh :p
[13:55] <Hobbsee> stdin: lots.
[13:56] <ubotu> New bug: #221343 in launchpad "Register a branch hosted on LaunchPad creates an empty project" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/221343
[13:57] <gmb_> stdin: They're indexed alphabetically.
[13:58] <stdin> but the A looks like a K with this font ;)
[13:59] <gmb> stdin: What weird-ass font makes an A look like a K?
[13:59]  * gmb boggles
[13:59] <StevenK> I'd have to agree with that.
[13:59] <stdin> some non-fixed width one, I was messing with it earlier and didn't change it back
[13:59] <StevenK> Besides, my nick has an 'n' in it.
[13:59] <gmb> StevenK: This is true. Though you could be a gestalt entity... Steve 'n K...
[13:59] <stdin> StevenK: well, that's just me being lazy and not checking there
[13:59] <gmb> Maybe not.
[14:21] <ubotu> New bug: #221353 in rosetta "Search through all plural forms of a translation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/221353
[14:23] <StevenK> Okay, so now it's been 40 minutes and the package is still listed in the Packages file.
[14:25] <Fujitsu> StevenK: How often does the help tab say they'll be removed.
[14:25] <Fujitsu> Empirically it seems to take up to 48 hours.
[14:25] <StevenK> "A deleted package disappears from the archive indexes in at most 20 minutes."
[14:26] <StevenK> I can't wait 48 hours.
[14:26] <Fujitsu> Oh, the indices should be quick, right.
[14:26]  * Fujitsu looks.
[14:27] <Fujitsu> StevenK: You know, it's probably because there's nothing to make it republish. Upload anything, and it should vanish.
[14:27] <StevenK> Argh, I didn't think I had to do that.
[14:27] <Hobbsee> StevenK: fairly sure that you do
[14:28] <StevenK> What about if it's something I already uploaded? :-)
[14:28] <Fujitsu> What do you mean?
[14:29] <Hobbsee> StevenK: before the delete?  still won't work
[14:29] <StevenK> I've already marked them for deletion.
[14:29] <Hobbsee> upload something random, delete that too
[14:30] <Fujitsu> I think you'll have to let it exist through one publisher run for it to do anything, though.
[14:40] <lool> cprov: Around?
[14:40] <lool> cprov: You mentionned that pagination issue fixed in edge for the list of ppa packages
[14:41] <lool> cprov: However, I think the issue is still present in the /+delete-packages page
[14:42] <cprov> lool: there is a note at the end to the table saying how many records are not presented. You should you the name filter to refine the results
[14:42] <cprov> lool: the form doesn't cope with the batch system
[14:44] <lool> cprov: That's not terribly usable; for example I just wanted to walk through all packages to drop gutsy stuff
[14:44] <lool> I'd have to browser it in two windows or something
[14:44] <lool> I am also dropping everything which has "~804" in the version string, so I was ^F / ^G-ing that and selecting delete, but that's not working either
[14:45] <cprov> lool: you need the distroseries filter
[14:45] <lool> So I would need one page load for any additional package after m now :-(
[14:45] <lool> cprov: Hmm I can't delete packages on edge either
[14:45] <lool> "
[14:45] <lool> "No matching source packages for ' '.
[14:46] <StevenK> I managed to about an hour ago
[14:46] <lool> cprov: It's not only per series, I have other criterions like simply looking at all changes and deciding to remove   :-/
[14:47] <cprov> lool: sorry, you said that the deletion is not working, is that true ?
[14:47] <lool> I'm trying again
[14:47] <lool> Hmm it worked for a subset of the packages I was selecting
[14:47] <lool> Can't reproduce it no
[14:47] <lool> w
[14:48] <lool> cprov: Anyway, do you think it's reasonable to request pagination for the /delete-packages page?
[14:48] <lool> cprov: Ah the error was my bad, I had spaces in the "Only show sources matching" filter
[14:49] <cprov> lool: no, as I said we can't preseve the selections done in previous page
[14:49] <cprov> lool: you can request better filtering 
[14:49] <cprov> lool: with I already plan to do very soon in 1.2.5
[14:50] <cprov> lool: filtering by distroseries and status definitely
[14:50] <lool> cprov: How different is it to click "Next" in a paginated list with deleted packages selected and changing the source filter?
[14:50] <lool> Wont peole loose the selected packages for deletion if they filter the list by source package name too?
[14:52] <cprov> lool: yes, they will lose the selection always and that's not ideal
[14:53] <cprov> lool: I don't see how pagination makes it any clear.
[14:53] <lool> cprov: I would be more happy if I could still do it per 50 packages
[14:53] <lool> Instead of having to filter package per package
[14:54] <cprov> lool: mass-anything is difficult in LP
[14:54] <lool> Yeah
[14:54] <lool> cprov: Oh well, thanks for discussion
[14:55] <cprov> lool: yes, np, I will improve filtering ASAP
[14:55] <cprov> but mass-deletion will continue to be a problem, requiring a lot of clicks 
[14:56] <cprov> lool: btw, if you have time, file a bug about this and describe your use cases.
[15:09] <lool> With pleasure
[15:09] <lool> cprov: soyuz with ppa tag right?
[15:10] <cprov> lool: yes, please.
[15:12] <lool> cprov: Did you people discuss keeping archived copies of sources uploaded to a ppa?
[15:13] <cprov> lool: how do you mean ? keep them published in the archive (bzr-team request) or just keeping the files somewhere you can download ?
[15:15] <lool> Keeping the history so that we don't lose .dsc, .tar.gz, .diff.gz when someone uploads crap and we need ot revert it
[15:16] <lool> I'd rather not see ALL ever uploaded packages published or visible, this would be a bit confusing I think
[15:17] <lool> Back to that pagination, I would simply be happy if I could see all packages (no limit)
[15:17] <lool> If I think about bugzilla, I think it allows you to limit how many bugs you'd like to see
[15:20] <lool> Wow /me discovers /+filebug-advanced
[15:25] <ubotu> New bug: #221370 in launchpad "Cannot checkout a Launchpad hosted project" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/221370
[15:25] <ubotu> New bug: #221371 in soyuz "Not easy to cleanup ppa for ubuntu-mobile; needs mass deletion or better filtering" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/221371
[15:26] <lool> cprov: So you say there's something which you can enable on the side of launchpad to keep the old sources in some place?
[15:26] <lool> Or only published?
[15:28] <cprov> lool: only published version remain in the archive disk (ppa.l.n/xxx/ubuntu/pool)
[15:28] <cprov> lool: however all source ever uploaded and binaries ever built remain in librarian (lp internal storage)
[15:28] <lool> cprov: Is it possible to keep the .dsc in the pool, but not visible on the web page?
[15:29] <lool> Are the binaries removed?
[15:29] <lool> cprov: Ohh
[15:29] <lool> cprov: How can I access these in librarian?
[15:29] <cprov> lool: the opposite, files removed from the pool but available in the ui 
[15:29] <cprov> lool: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/193996
[15:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 193996 in soyuz "PPA packages unavailable once deleted" [Medium,In progress]  - Assigned to Celso Providelo (cprov)
[15:30] <lool> cprov: What I'd like is that superseded packages (by new uploads) be still reachable; not deleted packages as deleted from the web page
[15:30] <cprov> lool: sources are already visible forever (see the links in the expandable area for any deleted/superseded record)
[15:31] <ubotu> New bug: #221372 in launchpad "Beta team need updates of new features on Edge" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/221372
[15:31] <cprov> lool: right, that was always possible for sources. I will make it the same for binaries.
[15:31] <lool> We're talking about ppa here, right?
[15:31] <cprov> lool: yes, we are.
[15:32] <lool> I fail to see how I can browse to old versions of packages which were in the ppa
[15:32] <lool> And other people around me complained frequently about not being able to do exactly this, so you're about to reveal a pretty good news I think :)
[15:32] <cprov> lool: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile/+archive?field.name_filter=cairo&field.status_filter=superseded
[15:33] <lool> Wow
[15:33] <lool> Cool \o/
[15:33] <cprov> lool: click in the arrow for cairo and you will see the sources files linking to librarian below.
[15:33] <lool> cprov: I have to leave to jump around the office here and tell everybody about it
[15:33] <lool> cprov: I missed the "Superseded" drop down near search
[15:34] <lool> Probably because I very rarely use search
[15:34] <cprov> :)
[15:35] <lool> cprov: What's the bug about keeping the binaries too?
[15:35] <lool> https://launchpad.net/bugs/221372
[15:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 221372 in launchpad "Beta team need updates of new features on Edge" [Undecided,New] 
[15:36] <lool> No, that's something else
[15:36] <lool> cprov: Should I file a bug for keeping binaries too?
[15:36] <lool> Ah https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/193996
[15:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 193996 in soyuz "PPA packages unavailable once deleted" [Medium,In progress]  - Assigned to Celso Providelo (cprov)
[15:37] <cprov> lool: yes, already in my plate ;)
[15:37] <lool> Cool
[15:37] <lool> cprov: People here have a mirror of the ppa just for this use case :)
[15:38] <cprov> lool: well, a mirror is required if you need to sign the archive
[15:38]  * cprov doesn't believe he mentioned that ... errrr
[15:39] <lool> Indeed
[15:39] <lool> But we don't really need that yet
[15:42] <lool> Hmm bzr branch lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.hardy has been running since 4 minutes with no output; it's over bzr+ssh this time around; a bzr pull over http was also stuck, weird
[15:43] <lool> I can load bazaar.launchpad.net over http fine
[15:53] <lool> is bazaar infrastructure impacted by the hardy release?
[16:52] <ubotu> New bug: #221397 in launchpad "fmt:link icon could be presented better using CSS" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/221397
[17:20] <LaserJock> bigjools: ping?
[17:22] <bigjools> LaserJock: yes?
[17:45] <ubotu> New bug: #221418 in launchpad "Pageid isn't set for views using attribute" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/221418
[17:46] <ahasenack> can anybody help with ppa? I uploaded smart_0.52-landscape8 a few hours ago (1 or 2) and it just disappeared. Nothing shows up for it in https://launchpad.net/~landscape/+archive/+builds in any state
[17:47] <ahasenack> I got the email saying it was accepted (but only for two distros: gutsy and hardy; I uploaded to dapper, edgy and feisty too)
[17:48] <cprov> ahasenack: haven't you received a rejection message for the missing ones ?
[17:48] <ahasenack> no
[17:49] <ahasenack> cprov: but there might be something wrong about that on my side
[17:49] <ahasenack> cprov: I'm checking the history of the terminal where I ran the command
[17:50] <ahasenack> cprov: assuming those other three were not sent, what about the two that got sent and confirmed via email:
[17:50] <ahasenack> ?
[17:52] <cprov> I can see a gutsy & hardy failure, then a gutsy accepted
[17:52] <cprov> hardy accepted too
[17:53] <cprov> ahasenack: that's it you haven't upload anything else today (last 12 hours)
[17:53] <ahasenack> the last accepted email I have is from 2h ago (14:50 UTC)
[17:53] <ahasenack> cprov: yes, there were many failures before
[17:56] <ahasenack> cprov: forget about the other three "missing" targets/distros, it's only gutsy and hardy indeed
[17:57] <cprov> ahasenack: just a tip, if you allow me.  If the upload doesn't show up within 10 minutes after being uploaded, *no question* it won't appear anymore, something is broken on your side, be 100 % sure your system is ok and your source is signed and re-upload it. 
[17:57] <ahasenack> cprov: even if I got the accepted email, right?
[17:57] <cprov> ahasenack: the upload-processor hasn't failed once this year, so it's reliable enough
[17:58] <ahasenack> I guess I'm cursed then
[17:59] <cprov> ahasenack: if you have received the acceptance message, the package will show up in the PPA page as pending, zero change of not.
[17:59] <ahasenack> cprov: you want me to forward the accept email to you?
[17:59] <ahasenack> cprov: maybe you can see something I can't (honestly)
[18:00] <cprov> ahasenack: okay, forward it.
[18:01] <cprov> ahasenack: [PPA ahasenack] not landscape.
[18:02] <ahasenack> cprov: ah, there you go
[18:02] <ahasenack> cprov: thanks
[18:02] <cprov> ahasenack: np
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[19:10] <ubotu> New bug: #221449 in malone "Bug reported on source package begins "Binary package hint:"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/221449
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[20:01] <steveire> Hey, does launchpad have a list of all the projects it hosts?
[20:04] <steveire> https://launchpad.net/projects/+all << 6300- Wow