[00:00] <zerone> System > Pref > Mouse?
[00:01] <crimsun> quaddi: please pastebin them after sanitising them as you feel appropriate
[00:01] <Mimi> Prez00 said: Ans there they are, I am looking at several mirrors being updated as we speak to Release version.... I just came back to my computer and read that... what.. really?! :D
[00:01] <quaddi> may I Pm you with the sanitized output?
[00:02] <Blice> Hi. I had a question- How do I disable a certain connection in 8.04?
[00:02] <Blice> I used to just click on the minus/plus sign by the connection's name in Network Manager
[00:02] <Blice> But it doesn't do anything now
[00:02] <Blice> (And yes, I unlocked it)
[00:03] <zerone> how about going into properties
[00:03] <Prez00> Mimi: did you read follow up to that?
[00:03] <Blice> Yeah I can do that
[00:03] <Blice> And it lets me disable/enable roaming
[00:03] <Prez00> Mimi: haha... at least got one..
[00:03] <zerone> won't that do it?
[00:04] <Blice> No? Before I could go "Disable wireless connection"
[00:04] <Mimi> Prez00, No, everything before that has been cut of (i think max is 30 lines that show, or something)
[00:04] <crimsun> quaddi: sure
[00:05] <crimsun> quaddi: you need to be registered and identified on this ircnet to do so, however.
[00:05] <crimsun> (at least given my client's config)
[00:05] <zerone> Blice: sorry i can't help you there...
[00:06] <Blice> Also, only one window has borders. No title bar, no side borders; Only the active window has them. So when I select a new window, the window I selected from loses it's borders and the new one gets borders.
[00:06] <Blice> :(
[00:07] <Blice> I hope somehow they pull off a whole bunch of updates tomorrow that fixes all of these problems 8)
[00:07] <mneptok> Blice: disable Compiz.
[00:07] <Blice> mneptok: Entirely? :(
[00:07] <mneptok> yes
[00:07] <Blice> >:
[00:07] <Blice> So compiz is buggy in 8.04?
[00:08] <quaddi> I have not experienced that.
[00:08] <Blice> Maybe I'll reinstall it
[00:10] <quittt> why the devices do not appear on XFCE desktop?!?! I've just updated it!
[00:11] <Artimus> Should all of my harddrives have changed from being labeled as hd* to sd*?  As in, hda is now sda, hdb->sdb, etc in Hardy?
[00:11] <Artimus> What are those new drivers called?
[00:12] <Blice> quit
[00:14] <hwilde> help my /etc/timezone file is correct, but when I type in "date" it shows UTC time not adjusted?
[00:15] <ubuntucool123> whats the difference between Ubuntu 8.04 and Ubuntu 8.04.1?
[00:16] <rsk> ubuntucool123: 8.04 isn't released and 8.04.1 isn't _also_ so no difference yet.
[00:18] <admin1> hey, i need help to configure NVIDIA display on kubuntu 8.04 anyone?pls?
[00:18] <hwilde> !nvidia | admin1
[00:18] <ubotu> admin1: For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[00:20] <admin1> i have the driver (from the gui) but the max res is 800/640.. too bloody big and i cannot find a way to change that,,
[00:20] <hwilde> nvidia-settings
[00:20] <admin1> ;
[00:21] <admin1> from the trminal bu sudo?
[00:21] <admin1> by
[00:21] <hwilde> not sudo
[00:21] <quaddi> crimsum: Chain ufw-user-output (1 references)
[00:21] <quaddi> target     prot opt source               destination
[00:21] <quaddi> RETURN     all  --  0.0.0.0/0            0.0.0.0/0
[00:21] <quaddi> I think thats my problem
[00:22] <admin1> in the teminal.. just "nvidia-settings"?
[00:23] <Sporting> c'mon....! release it...
[00:24] <hwilde> so why would my system show UTC instead of the timezone adjusted time ?
[00:24] <hmuller> What happens to #ubuntu+1 after the release?
[00:24] <mneptok> it explodes.
[00:24] <clem> hmuller: it then refers to the next release I guess
[00:24] <applesucks> whens hardy getting released?
[00:24] <clem> applesucks: today
[00:24] <hmuller> applesucks: next week
[00:25] <emet> hmuller, what mneptok said, be careful from the explosion
[00:25]  * hmuller grins
[00:25] <emet> I was in here when Gutsy was out
[00:25] <emet> I think the channel shuts down for a few weeks
[00:25] <emet> then it opens again about a week before the first alpha is out
[00:26] <hmuller> I'm ready to start testing the next release, Irate Iguana
[00:26] <hwilde> everybody is doing all those cool things they wanted to do, but weren't included in the rc, now that they have a chance
[00:26] <Gnine> !intrepid
[00:26] <ubotu> Intrepid Ibex is the code name for Ubuntu 8.10, due October 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex
[00:27] <hmuller> I'm STILL ready to start testing Irate Iguana
[00:28] <cpk1> i hope ibex has kde 4.1
[00:28] <emet> it prolly will
[00:29] <DanaG> intrepid........
[00:29] <DanaG> reminds me of cars.
[00:29] <ajmitch> mneptok: explodes into lots of shiny ponies?
[00:30] <emet> two things intrepid will probably have is a new theme and improved init scripts
[00:30] <mikedep334> hello, what is the preferred method of upgrading gutsy to hardy?
[00:30] <hwilde> !upgrade | mikedep334
[00:30] <ubotu> mikedep334: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[00:31] <emet> mikedep334, sudo update-manager -d
[00:31] <mikedep334> thx
[00:31] <emet> mikedep334, make sure you have a reliable internet connection before doing the upgrade
[00:31]  * hmuller prefers backing up and installing fresh
[00:31] <mikedep334> emet: I do
[00:31] <hwilde> image your harddrive and then buy a new harddrive
[00:32] <mikedep334> actually
[00:32] <mikedep334> that reminds me
[00:32] <mikedep334> I intend to put a new faster hard drive in my machine
[00:32] <hwilde> storage is cheap
[00:32] <hwilde> losing your data sucks
[00:32] <hwilde> just buy more
[00:32] <mikedep334> I mihgt as well install hardy new to that
[00:32] <hwilde> !themes | juice__
[00:32] <ubotu> juice__: Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[00:32] <mikedep334> thx
[00:33] <juice__> !changethemes
[00:33] <ubotu> To change gnome themes: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy.  Kubuntu themes: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu. Xubuntu users should /msg ubotu xfce-themes
[00:33] <emet> hwilde, true I've had three machines I've upgraded so far and one of them broke weirdly during the upgrade
[00:33] <histo> How can you tell which video driver you are using in Hardy?  xorg.conf just says configured video driver
[00:33] <hackel> Are there no longer any music players that support connecting over smb with this new gvfs?
[00:33] <emet> the other two seem  to be perfect upgrades though
[00:33] <hwilde> histo,  lsmod   then look for video
[00:33] <hmuller> histo: or look at the section "configured video driver"
[00:34] <hwilde> emet, the cost of eliminating the risk is just a new harddrive away, that you will inevitably purchase anyways
[00:34] <histo> hmuller: Have you not seen an xorg.conf from a fresh install of hardy?
[00:35] <hmuller> histo: Yes, but I promptly reconfigured it
[00:35] <hwilde> not much to see there lol
[00:35] <hmuller> histo: take the other advice if it only says vesa, look at lsmod
[00:35] <histo> Wow I give up
[00:35] <mneptok> histo: lsmod
[00:36] <histo> mneptok: yeah
[00:36] <hmuller> histo: you quit too easy.  Run this in a terminal: $ lspci | grep VGA , that will tell you you what your graphics controller is ...
[00:37] <hmuller> histo: then you can google for what the normal module used is, then confirm that it's loaded using lsmod
[00:37] <histo> hmuller: I know what it is I want to know what driver X is using thats all
[00:37] <hmuller> histo: Take a look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[00:37] <histo> I want to understand how the hell X works now without a valid xorg.conf with hardy.
[00:37] <hmuller> histo:  brace for a learning experience
[00:37] <histo> Because i'm having all sorts of issues
[00:38] <histo> specifically with hardy and my i915
[00:38] <histo> Gutsy had no slow downs etc... Hardy is pretty much useless on this pc.
[00:38] <elmer> #ubuntu-release-party
[00:38] <elmer> oops
[00:38] <elmer> sorry
[00:39] <dwidmann> histo: you can still force it to use whatever settings you want
[00:39] <cpk1> yeah is there some documentation somewhere on the new way hardy comes with xorg.conf setup?
[00:39] <histo> Thats all i want cpk1
[00:39] <hmuller> histo:  did you already blow away your Gutsy partition?
[00:40] <hmuller> cpk1: not that I'm aware of
[00:40] <jac0b> does anyone know how to adjust the mouse speed?
[00:40] <cpk1> otherwise why even bother making it so drastically different if everyone just has to revert back to the old way
[00:40] <Exilant> Anyone using an usb modem(3g cellphone) in hardy? it was in /dev/modem in gutsy, in hardy i so far only managed to get it working with bluetooth, should it still be in /dev/modem?
[00:40] <dwidmann> cpk1: it'll probably be improved with subsequent releases
[00:41] <dwidmann> cpk1: probably another one of those framework of the future, dog turd of today type of deals
[00:41] <hmuller> jac0b: System > Preferences > Mouse something or the other
[00:41] <jac0b> hmuller: that doesn work for me
[00:41] <cpk1> that doesnt really make any sense, why not just know they have teh framework and then prepare it for the next release?
[00:41] <jac0b> hmuller: I tried it and it made it worse actually
[00:42] <JimiIL> friends, i have install nvidia-settings on kubuntu8.04 but i just can't see all the options du the screen's res, i'm trying to set it to more than 640*480 but in the gui setting centre i just can't, please give me any advice to change that..
[00:42] <dwidmann> cpk1: dunno
[00:42] <histo> hmuller: this is a machine I use to test distros on.
[00:43] <cpk1> I have a feeling that there are going to be a lot of xorg.conf questions in the following days =P
[00:43] <histo> hmuller: Just noticing some huge issues with hardy which is typical stuff with new releases aparently
[00:43] <nosrednaekim> uhh yeah
[00:43] <arcticpenguin380> ﻿/join #ubuntu-release-party
[00:43] <nosrednaekim> and dpkg-reconfigure xorg doesn't work
[00:43] <d4t4min3r> how can i kill an application
[00:43] <hmuller> jac0b: You'll have to read up on the x mouse driver and adjust your xorg.conf
[00:43] <d4t4min3r> its frozen up
[00:43] <histo> d4t4min3r: an X app or terminal?
[00:44] <d4t4min3r> add/remove applications
[00:44] <histo> d4t4min3r: alt+f2 and run xkill
[00:44] <bernier> Hi, is grub2 ready to be used or it's highly unstable?
[00:44] <histo> d4t4min3r: although you may not want to kill it if its working on something.
[00:44] <hmuller> histo: Yeah, I've been testing on my machine for three months now.  All the bugs are worked out except resuming from suspend/resume.  But that's a proprietary driver issue.
[00:44] <histo> hmuller: I experience bugs that go unfixed with every release of ubuntu.
[00:45] <histo> Major ones in my opinion.  Nothing new to me.
[00:45] <d4t4min3r> it keeps getting stuck
[00:45] <d4t4min3r> reloading the list
[00:45] <JimiIL> pls anyone know how to change the NVIDIA res throw the terminal?
[00:45] <d4t4min3r> just sits there doesnt do anything
[00:46] <cpk1> JimiIL: you need to edit xorg.conf  to include resolutions you know your monitor supports. which is what we were just discussing because they completely changed the xorg.conf layout
[00:47] <histo> Wonderful advances in X gotta love it.
[00:47] <JimiIL> amm.. can you explain how should i do it? (im new to linux :-( )
[00:48] <histo> JimiIL: through System > Preferences > Desktop Size
[00:48] <histo> JimiIL: err Screen Resolution
[00:48] <histo> wow I need sleep had enough buntu blunders for me.
[00:48] <d4t4min3r> yeah im trying to install something and its freezing up as well
[00:49] <cpk1> on kde4 I have to use the nvidia settings app to change my resolution
[00:49] <d4t4min3r> anyone have any ideas
[00:49] <d4t4min3r> the add/removie applications doesn't work for me
[00:50] <Shpook> I'm upgrading now, have there been any issues with sound/video/network/etc with the upgrade as there has been before?
[00:50] <JimiIL> okay.. but in the graphical menu (screen res) this is the "bigger" res, and  my screen\video card supports more than that
[00:51] <d4t4min3r> anyone else have this issue?
[00:53] <macd_> Has anyone noticed firefox issues (other than flash) that deal with page load times?  I open a few tabs and it seems none will ever finish, you have to open one thing at a time, its almost like its hanging on DNS lookups
[00:54] <Mimi> Yes. Pretty much everyobe
[00:54] <macd_> I even tried FF2 on hardy, same thing, but not on ff2/3 on gutsy
[00:54] <macd_> something seems really wrong
[00:54] <macd_> I don't see how you can release when the web browser is an obvious fail ;)
[00:55] <_derspankster> macd_: I have a site that I cannot resolve at all in 8.04
[00:55] <macd_> _derspankster, me too, digg.com.
[00:55] <_derspankster> mcad_: mine is dslreports.com
[00:55] <macd_> I've been through the motions of turning all the IP6 related stuff off (how silly of spec to enable that by default devs)
[00:56] <_derspankster> macd_: I can get to digg
[00:57] <macd_> _derspankster, its different for everyone, form what I gather, as to what sites they can'can't see
[00:57] <d4t4min3r> anyone else having the add/remove applications freeze for everything.. as well as update manager
[00:57] <d4t4min3r> i can install or remove anything... nor check for updates
[00:57] <_derspankster> macd+: interestingly enough, this just started yesterday for me
[00:58] <macd_> _derspankster, that is odd, is your general internet browsing slow? or just no go on that single site?
[00:59] <_derspankster> macd_: not really, just can't resolve that site.
[00:59] <macd_> _derspankster, you behind a router?
[00:59] <ltracy__> Is anybody familiar with compat-wireless-2008?
[00:59] <ltracy__> i.e. what did I do by installing it
[00:59] <_derspankster> macd_: yes
[01:00] <macd_> _derspankster, have you tried resetting your router, and broadband device while your PC is off?
[01:00] <_derspankster> macd_: no, but the other computers on my network are not having trouble with this site.
[01:01] <macd_> _derspankster, yeah I know I saw that in the other channel, I just have an idea with some caching going on.....
[01:01] <macd_> _derspankster, plus it couldn't hurt to try ;)
[01:01] <d4t4min3r> anyone know about any add/remove applications errors
[01:01] <d4t4min3r> it doesnt work... just freezes up
[01:01] <hackel> Pulseaudio finally seems to be behaving for me, but now whenever I use it I get this really annoying high-pitched ringing sound.  Anyone else heard of this, or know of a solution?
[01:02] <macd_> d4t4min3r, in a console, does 'sudo apt-get update' return any errors?
[01:02] <_derspankster> macd_: I've tried a new profile, you name it. I could give it a try if I can get my wife to stop gaming on her computer
[01:02] <d4t4min3r> unable to resolve host name
[01:02] <eternal_p> 'evening all...I have a weird problem...clean install of RC1, if and when Pidgin dies, I cannot load any other programs (Firefox, etc) it seems to load in the background, but I cannot access anything, all I can do is a reboot from a TUI screen, any thoughts?
[01:02] <d4t4min3r> macd_: sudo: unable to resolve host name
[01:02] <macd_> _derspankster, yeah I think turning your box off, then restarting both devices after a short time of being powered off, might solve your problem.
[01:03] <macd_> d4t4min3r, you changed your hostname by editing a file didnt you ;)
[01:03] <d4t4min3r> i didnt edit anything
[01:03] <d4t4min3r> when i did fresh install i had serious problems with my wifi connection
[01:03] <d4t4min3r> it wouldnt stay connected
[01:03] <_derspankster> macd_: I can give it a shot.
[01:03] <d4t4min3r> right now im connected on a neighbors wifi and its working
[01:03] <d4t4min3r> i dono
[01:03] <macd_> d4t4min3r, hmmm, odd, you'll need to reboot into recovery mode, and type "hostname whateveryouwanthere" then reboot and it should be fine
[01:04] <d4t4min3r> i cant do it from here?
[01:04] <d4t4min3r> has to be in recov mode?
[01:04] <macd_> yes.
[01:04] <d4t4min3r> so just boot into recov and type in
[01:04] <jac0b> I found the setting to change the speed of your mouse if the gui tool doesn´t word use "xset"
[01:04] <d4t4min3r> hostname Home
[01:04] <macd_> d4t4min3r, yep
[01:04] <d4t4min3r> thanks
[01:04] <d4t4min3r> ill be back i hope
[01:04] <macd_> ;)
[01:04] <DanaG> wait
[01:04] <DanaG> just 'hostname' isn't a fix for anything.
[01:05] <macd_> It changes both locations
[01:05] <d4t4min3r> ok.. im still here
[01:05] <DanaG> You need to edit /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname
[01:05] <macd_> DanaG, hostname sets those :/
[01:05] <DanaG> It does now?  Last time I did that, it took effect only for current session.
[01:05] <DanaG> 127.0.0.1       localhost GLaDOS.localdomain
[01:05] <DanaG> 127.0.1.1       GLaDOS GLaDOS.localdomain
[01:05] <DanaG> 'glados' is my hostname.
[01:06] <d4t4min3r> soo....
[01:06] <d4t4min3r> i need to change in a second spot as well
[01:06] <d4t4min3r> ?
[01:06]  * macd_ thinks no
[01:06] <macd_> I also have 127.0.0.1 localhost, 127.0.1.1 myhostname
[01:07] <d4t4min3r> is there a way i can check
[01:07] <d4t4min3r> to see my host name from here
[01:07] <macd_> yeah, cat /etc/hostname and cat /etc/hosts
[01:07] <macd_> paste it to pastebin
[01:07] <macd_> !paste | d4t4min3r
[01:07] <ubotu> d4t4min3r: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[01:08] <d4t4min3r> its not much i can just say it here... /hostname was   Home
[01:08] <d4t4min3r> and hosts was 127.0.0.1 localhost
[01:08] <d4t4min3r> 127.0.1.1 Home.192.168.1.1
[01:08] <d4t4min3r> then some Ipv6 stuff below
[01:09] <d4t4min3r> do i still need to edit my hostname?
[01:11] <macd_> d4t4min3r, hmm, that looks fine actually
[01:12] <d4t4min3r> any idea what i should do
[01:12] <macd_> d4t4min3r, out of curiosity have you rebooted and tried todo what you were doing earlier?
[01:12] <d4t4min3r> yeah
[01:13] <d4t4min3r> rebooted several times due to connection problems
[01:13] <d4t4min3r> when i did sudo dhclient wlan0
[01:13] <macd_> d4t4min3r, can you do sudo anything? like "sudo pico test"
[01:13] <d4t4min3r> i also get cannot resolve host
[01:13] <macd_> ohhh, interesting
[01:13] <macd_> can't sudo anything
[01:13] <_derspankster> macd_: that did the trick - thanks!
[01:13] <ecubuntu> d4t4min3r, still have problems?
[01:13] <d4t4min3r> d4t4min3r@Home:~$ sudo pico test
[01:13] <d4t4min3r> sudo: unable to resolve host Home
[01:13] <d4t4min3r> d4t4min3r@Home:~$
[01:15] <d4t4min3r> for some reason connecting to my own router wouldnt work that good but im connected to my neighbbors and its working fine...
[01:15] <macd_> d4t4min3r, you'll have to reboot into recovery, but I think if you change the 127.0.0.1 localhost, to 127.0.0.1 Home, may work
[01:15] <d4t4min3r> so just type
[01:15] <d4t4min3r> hostname home
[01:16] <d4t4min3r> or something else?
[01:16] <macd_> well, no, lets try editing the file /etc/hosts in recovery mode, do that by typing 'pico /etc/hosts'
[01:16] <gluer> hey its already the 24th here in Melbourne, Can I download hardy now??
[01:17] <Mimi> ....
[01:17] <d4t4min3r> do that in recovery mode or from here
[01:17] <Mimi> gluer... it's ONE DAY until release, ONE DAY regardless where you are :P
[01:17] <macd_> d4t4min3r, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/195308/comments/12
[01:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195308 in linux-meta "unable to resolve host (dup-of: 32906)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[01:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 32906 in sudo "sudo shouldn’t ABSOLUTELY NEED to look up the host it’s running on" [High,In progress]
[01:17] <macd_> d4t4min3r, read that link, it has a method to change it without rebooting
[01:17] <_derspankster> macd_: I've never encountered anything like that before. My router is on 24/7
[01:17] <macd_> _derspankster, something was cached somewhere.....
[01:18] <gluer> mimi: false advertising then... today is the 24th!
[01:18] <_derspankster> macd_: I appreciate your help. I'll keep that in mind.
[01:18] <Mimi> It's the stopped irc channel :P Yeah but if you go on the website, it says "ONE DAY LEFT!"  ^_^;
[01:18] <macd_> _derspankster, anytime
[01:19] <d4t4min3r> ok so i see this in my host tab
[01:19] <d4t4min3r> 127.0.0.1 localhost
[01:19] <d4t4min3r> 127.0.1.1 home.192.168.1.1
[01:19] <d4t4min3r> what do i chagne
[01:19] <macd_> d4t4min3r, change localhost, to home
[01:19] <_derspankster> Even if you started with the beta and upgraded every day, you're essentially running final - are you not?
[01:19] <macd_> _derspankster, yes
[01:20] <_derspankster> macd_: that's what I thought
[01:20] <d4t4min3r> yah
[01:20] <d4t4min3r> it works
[01:20] <macd_> d4t4min3r, nice.
[01:20] <d4t4min3r> let me carefully try my own connection
[01:21]  * macd_ is totally floored by the amount of simple bugs that are going into the release :(
[01:22] <ecubuntu> d4t4min3r, u get fix your coneccion?
[01:22] <_derspankster> Actually, I've had very few issues with 8.04
[01:23] <macd_> _derspankster, I wish I could say the same, some of things I value as core useability items, are just epic fails with 8.04.
[01:25] <_derspankster> I do miss my FF extensions though
[01:25] <macd_> _derspankster, wel, thats a mozilla thing
[01:25] <ubuntucool123> my laptop ran ubuntu 7.10 with compiz fusion fine. Now with ubuntu 8.04 RC it can't run compiz fusion. It is a compaq evo n800v and ati mobility radeon 7500. Any ideas?
[01:25] <nosrednaekim> _derspankster: one of the biggest issues with Dapper was the non-availability of firefox 2..
[01:25] <macd_> reboot time.
[01:25] <_derspankster> macd_: for instance, what? Yes, I know the extensions willeventually be updated.
[01:25] <nosrednaekim> ubuntucool123: does that use fglrx?
[01:25] <ecubuntu> macd_, can u help me? i have almost the same issue like d4t4min3r
[01:25] <ubuntucool123> nosrednaekim: I tried using the fglrk driver but no luck
[01:25] <ISS_Student> Anybody know how to fix realtek sound in 8.04 I installed RC1 and it worked fine then I did all the updates and now it stopped working
[01:25] <ubuntucool123> fglrx
[01:25] <_Lucretia_> ubuntucool123: what's yer problem with it?
[01:25] <nosrednaekim> ubuntucool123: were you using fgrlx in 7.10?
[01:25] <ubuntucool123> it doesn't have desktop effects :(
[01:25] <ubuntucool123> no in 7.10 i was using the open source driver
[01:25] <skep> desktop effects are overrated
[01:25] <nosrednaekim> ubuntucool123: ah ok. then don't use fglrx here.
[01:26] <nosrednaekim> ubuntucool123: what does "glxinfo | grep Direct" say?
[01:26] <ubuntucool123> ill just see what it says...
[01:26] <nosrednaekim> grep -i Direct that is......
[01:30] <ubuntucool123> It says "direct rendering: Yes"
[01:31] <nosrednaekim> ok.... now, run "compiz --replace" from the command line and see what ti says
[01:31] <d4t4min3r> my connection is still buggy... it wasnt droping out as bad but its like crawling slow
[01:31] <d4t4min3r> and i couldnt connect to irc
[01:32] <d4t4min3r> i wonder how the neighbors connection works.. but mine doenst
[01:32] <ubuntucool123> Checking for Xgl: Not Present - Found laptop using ati driver - zborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity ; then it just shows a blinking cursor
[01:33] <ubuntucool123> ?
[01:35] <nosrednaekim> woah....
[01:35] <nosrednaekim> never seen THAT one before
[01:35] <nosrednaekim> ask in #compiz-fusion and show them that error
[01:35] <ubuntucool123> ok ill try that thanks
[01:37] <d4t4min3r> anyone have any suggestions about my connection issues
[01:44] <_Lucretia_> ubuntucool123: if you replied to me I missed it, if you didn't see anything I wrote, it's cos my connection died :(
[01:44] <d4t4min3r> can someone help me
[01:45] <fluffman> what's wrong d4t4min3r
[01:45] <d4t4min3r> my wifi connection is messed up
[01:45] <d4t4min3r> i have linksys 54gs router and a wusb54gv4   usb wifi device
[01:45] <d4t4min3r> right now im connected to my neighbors connection wich works fine
[01:46] <d4t4min3r> but if i connect to my own network it drops out and or goes very very slow
[01:46] <macd> d4t4min3r, does your router have encryption enabled?
[01:46] <ubuntucool123> my wireless - it doesn't automatically connect. how do i make it so it does?
[01:46] <d4t4min3r> no
[01:46] <macd> d4t4min3r, also that could be a sign of a failing router/access point, my dlink acted like that then it went poof one day
[01:47] <macd> d4t4min3r, do you have another computer running linux you could try? or does it behave as expected in windows
[01:47] <fluffman> ubuntucool123: right click on network manager, and lcick edit wireless networks
[01:47] <d4t4min3r> this usb wifi device works fine on my other windows machine to the router
[01:47] <d4t4min3r> and its working fine now connnected to the neibhors netowrk
[01:47] <fluffman> remove all of the networks listed there except for the one you want to connect to
[01:48] <fluffman> d4t4min3r: are there any available restricted drivers to install?
[01:48] <fluffman> under system > admin > hardware drivers?
[01:49] <tomd123> does anyone know about how to install the s1/s2 keys on sony laptops?
[01:49] <d4t4min3r> there is a nvidia accelerated graphics driver
[01:49] <d4t4min3r> nothing else
[01:49] <_Lucretia_> ubuntucool123: as you're on an ati card I'd like to hear if you manage to get stuff to play in windows once you've got the 3d desktop going
[01:50] <_Lucretia_> ubuntucool123: make sure you dont have this:        Option      "Composite" "disable"
[01:50] <tomd123> I got everything to work except my s1/s2 keys (I even got the camera working)
[01:50] <ubuntucool123> i got the solution off #compiz-fusion
[01:51] <d4t4min3r> any ideas?
[01:51] <macd> d4t4min3r, could you issue this command "cat /var/log/syslog | grep NetworkManager > ~/Desktop/network.txt"  then paste the contents of network.txt to a pastebin
[01:52] <JPSman> okeydokey
[01:55] <darthanubis> asked it been asked yet?
[01:56] <kahrytan> How do you install skins for Audacious now?
[01:56] <JPSman> I would like some help explaining the process of installing drivers by "pulling (them) along with full kernel sources using the GIT content tracker"
[01:56] <darthanubis> no
[01:56] <Asa_A> How can I verify that my PulseAudio is running? My PulseAudio Manager says that the connection was refused.
[01:56] <d4t4min3r> macd: would this list anything i woudlnt want getting out...
[01:56] <darthanubis> "when is the final?!!!!?"
[01:56] <d4t4min3r> ipaddresses or anything
[01:56] <darthanubis> ;)
[01:57] <d4t4min3r> fluffman:
[01:57] <JPSman> trying to install new rt2x00 drivers because 2.6.24 is weak
[01:57] <macd> d4t4min3r, I dont think anyone would really concern themselves with it, but you can priv msg me the pastebin link if youd like instead of making it public
[01:58] <_Lucretia_> ubuntucool123: ok, what was it?
[01:58] <JPSman> can anyone help with driver creatioin and installation?
[01:58] <fluffman> d4t4min3r: yes?
[01:58] <ubuntucool123> _Lucretia_: What do you mean?
[01:59] <macd> d4t4min3r, your network is the one called linksys right/
[01:59] <d4t4min3r> yes
[01:59] <d4t4min3r> macd yes
[01:59] <Kill_X> JPSman: rt2x00 drivers (from linux-backports-modules) are known to increase signal weakness. If you're experiencing a weak signal, you most probably don't want to install these modules
[01:59] <_Lucretia_> ubuntucool123: ok, your solution for getting 3d desktop working doesn't really matter, but can you play movies in a window without flicker?
[02:00] <d4t4min3r> see anything interesting
[02:00] <ubuntucool123> _Lucretia_:i havn't tried yet. i'll try it and let you know
[02:00] <heartsblood> Pulseaudio was meant to fully replace esound right?
[02:00] <JPSman> Kill_X: well I get just fine signals with 2.6.22-14  -  would it screw anything up if I used 2.6.22-14 with hardy?
[02:00] <_Lucretia_> ubuntucool123: k, thanks
[02:01] <ubuntucool123> _Lucretia_: Um... I wont be able to play dvd's on it because it it a faulty cd drive.
[02:01] <heartsblood> I don't quite understand why I have esound-common and pulseaudio installed
[02:01] <heartsblood> and I can't uninstall esound without completely uninstalling gnome
[02:02] <macd> d4t4min3r, run 'sudo apt-get install nscd' in console
[02:02] <eternal_p> 'evening all...I have a weird problem...clean install of RC1, if and when Pidgin dies, I cannot load any other programs (Firefox, etc) it seems to load in the background, but I cannot access anything, all I can do is a reboot from a TUI screen, any thoughts?
[02:02] <macd> d4t4min3r, then try your linksys again, its the only thing I can come up with
[02:02] <_Lucretia_> ubuntucool123: go into the screensaver prefs, is the gl overlay flickering? this is the same problem for me
[02:02] <bluefoxx> two issues: one: how can i get a new xbox 360 controller working inmy computer[got it $4 with usb adaptor] and two: whear the hell did my nvidia driver go? i went back to my old 6200 and it wont let me install the nvidia-glx-new, and thus cant use compiz[and WINE crashes]
[02:02] <macd> heartsblood, they call that a dependency. but as to why it is, you got me, aptitude can overcome those links, better than apt-get
[02:03] <d4t4min3r> k one second im updating the system
[02:03] <ubuntucool123> _Lucretia_: No it seems to be fine with "4D Hypertorus"...
[02:03] <heartsblood> macd, I understand what a dependency is, I just don't understand why gnome still requires esound to be installed if pulse was meant to replace it in hardy
[02:03] <macd> bluefoxx, I tried using the 360 remote with some hacks, NO GO.  nvidia .. System --> Administration --> Hardware and you can reinstall your nvidia driver.
[02:04] <macd> heartsblood, well for now pulse isnt really behaving itself
[02:04] <vbabiy-laptop> I like the new Ubuntu start page
[02:04] <vbabiy-laptop> it looks good
[02:04] <RussellGee> i love it
[02:04] <grhluna> yo
[02:04] <RussellGee> the google partner page was nice aswell
[02:04] <_Lucretia_> ubuntucool123: ok, do it again and then open the power management window, on mine the gl overlay stays in front and flickers like mad
[02:04] <RussellGee> but its went offline for some reason
[02:04] <heartsblood> macd, My system took a serious performance hit when I upgraded to hardy and I'm just trying to trace why
[02:04] <heartsblood> I think pulse is the root of my problems
[02:04] <grhluna> anyone got a problem with desktop effects? i reconfigured and restarted xserver but nothing
[02:05] <grhluna> not that i need them but they can be nice
[02:05] <macd> heartsblood, in my case, it was beagled, and trackerd both indexing the file system.
[02:05] <bluefoxx> macd: the problem with the nvidia is that hardware drivers doesnt show it as a option and installclaims its installed, uninstall claims its not
[02:05] <Gnine> my first troubleshoot procedure is to boot in recovery mode and use the fix xserver option.. works for most common xserver failures
[02:05] <ecubuntu> ya me canse de esta pendejada de hardy me muevo a gutsy
[02:05] <ubuntucool123> _Lucretia_: the screensaver stays in front but it doesn't flicker...
[02:05] <macd> !es | ecubuntu
[02:05] <ubotu> ecubuntu: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[02:05] <d4t4min3r> while i wait what is ns cd macd
[02:05] <bluefoxx> and my computer is starting to become retardedly slow yet im only running this and a terminal
[02:05] <macd> !info | nscd
[02:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about info - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:06] <heartsblood> I dont even have beagle installed
[02:06] <bluefoxx> this was more stable when i installed the beta than after the updates
[02:06] <wastrel> did you reboot after the updates
[02:06] <grhluna> i think this is the best release so far
[02:06] <grhluna> it looks fine
[02:06] <macd> d4t4min3r, it deals with caching of certain things nameserver related, but more importantly networkmanager was calling it when you were using linksys, and it wasnt installed, causing network manager to constantly cycle
[02:07] <d4t4min3r> so installing that should fix the issue
[02:07] <macd> heartsblood, well, have you checked  top, and iotop to see whats hoggin your resources?
[02:07] <macd> d4t4min3r, Its just an discernable guess on my end to be honest
[02:07] <heartsblood> that's just it, nothing stands out
[02:08] <macd> heartsblood, is your load higher than expected? are you swapping to disk alot?
[02:08] <macd> heartsblood, or is it just not snappy
[02:08] <heartsblood> 1 sec let me kill fah
[02:08] <heartsblood> I thought at first it was fah, but that has virtually no effect
[02:08] <bluefoxx> great...updates frozen at "Preparing to replace cupsys 1.3.7-1ubuntu2 (using .../cupsys_1.3.7-1ubuntu3_i386.deb) ..."
[02:09] <heartsblood> I have 87.8MB free 604MB in cache
[02:09] <m1r> hello
[02:09] <heartsblood> is that normal?
[02:10] <heartsblood> seems high
[02:11] <heartsblood> 1GB on the system, I have 61MB free according to atop.  627 in cache
[02:11] <macd> somethings using it all
[02:11] <macd> what process is eating that up?
[02:11] <macd> I've got a gb ram, and only using like 240mb of it
[02:12] <macd> brb though.
[02:12] <_derspankster> macd: I'm interested in the issues you have with Hardy. I'm considering Hardy for my server.
[02:13] <_derspankster> ...but I may just go with Gutsy.
[02:14] <tawt> is anyone having any serious troubles with the os after loading from the cd?
[02:14] <borgista> Hi. Anyone have any luck with ATI drivers(fglrx) & Desktop Effects? I've had none.
[02:14] <d4t4min3r> macd: its installing now
[02:14] <d4t4min3r> ok its installed should i switch over to test the connection?
[02:15] <tawt> what time tomorrow will the release be official?
[02:15] <d4t4min3r> macd: still here?
[02:16] <d4t4min3r> ill be right back im gona switch over to see if that did the trick
[02:16] <heartsblood> how can I use atop to show me exactly what pogram is using the most memory?  From atops basic memory output it's saying Xorg is using the most with 91mb and there is still 643 in cache
[02:16] <_derspankster> tawt: don't know but a fully updated beta or RC is almost the same as final
[02:17] <tawt> _derspankster, ok, thanks.  i'll get to downloading right away
[02:18] <_derspankster> tawt: good luck to you
[02:18] <tawt> _derspankster: lol  last time i upgraded from gutsy it completly messed up both kernels, so im going to wipe the linux partition and install from livecd
[02:19] <d4t4min31> macd: didnt work... it connects but wont connect to irc or go to a webpage
[02:19] <d4t4min31> loads very very very slow if at all
[02:19] <_derspankster> tawt: I upgrade this laptop to beta and have had few issues but I think I'll do a clean install on my desktop
[02:19] <macd> d4t4min31, Im stumped :)
[02:20] <macd> _derspankster, I havent had any issues on hardy-server, only on desktop.
[02:20] <d4t4min31> where did ... fluff or something go
[02:20] <d4t4min31> what was his name
[02:20] <d4t4min31> can anyone help me with a wifi connection issue
[02:21] <_derspankster> macd: well, it will be my first experience with server. I am assembling the hardware. Got the HD's and ram today so I'll finish it tomorrow
[02:21] <macd> d4t4min31, Im thinking your going to have to use ndiswrapper and use the windows drivers to fix it tbh, let me see if I can find you a howto specific to your card
[02:21] <macd> d4t4min31, what was your model again, ?
[02:23] <d4t4min31> wusb54gv4
[02:25] <macd> d4t4min31, cant really find anything but using the actual driver, not the windows+ndiswrapper
[02:25] <macd> let me throw a wiki page together with some instructions, and I'll toss you a link be a few mins.
[02:26] <d4t4min31> one sec i need to restart its saying
[02:26] <d4t4min31> brb
[02:27] <tomd123> does anyone know the release time of ubuntu 8.04? I want to set up a script so that it can download while I'm away (it'll take a long time)
[02:27] <Dr_willis> tomd123,  this gets asked all the time at every new release.. thers no guarentees or set times.
[02:28] <tomd123> Dr_willis: well this is the first time I asked :P thanks anyways
[02:28] <tomd123> Dr_willis: now I know
[02:28] <Dr_willis> tomd123,  every new release its a constant flood in here of.. when its out.. is it going to be OUT at 12:01? ect... :)
[02:28] <Dr_willis> it gets amuseing after a while.
[02:29] <tomd123> Dr_willis: I've been using 8.04 for ~ a month and a half :)
[02:29] <Dr_willis> tomd123,  then i suggest just doing a update/upgrade right now.. and then not worrying about it for a week or 2 so the server load gets less.
[02:30] <Dr_willis> i wonder if they have torrents set up yet.
[02:30] <crimsun> seeing how testing candidate images is still occurring, that's a negative.
[02:30] <_derspankster> I may try downloading hardy-server, the load might not be bad for that release
[02:30] <Dr_willis> Given all the issues im still having with hardy...  Im almost tempted to... err.. do somthing..
[02:31] <_derspankster> Dr_willis: I know - buy a Mac
[02:32] <heartsblood> every time I run apt I get this line at the very end; sh: /usr/sbin/update-dpsyco: not found
[02:32] <heartsblood> what the heck does that mean and how do I get rid of it?
[02:32] <tomd123> Dr_willis: my university connection says otherwise, I swear it will only take less then a minute :P, then I will upload using bittorrent
[02:32] <Dr_willis> _derspankster,  i have one.. its in the closet.. because i dident need to use it as a doorstop any more.
[02:32] <_derspankster> Dr_willis: yeah, I've got a Macbook Pro that I won and it just sits
[02:33] <tomd123> _derspankster: I don't blame you
[02:33] <Dr_willis> hardy is still giveing me issuse with my network card, and dvd burner. :( but those might be deeper kernel issues .. i see a new kernel in todays updates.. that might fix things
[02:33] <_derspankster> nice looking laptop though
[02:34] <cwillu> heartsblood, it's something you probably installed at some point (afaik dpsyco was never installed by default in ubuntu)
[02:34] <cwillu> heartsblood, check if any of those packages are installed, and uninstall them I guess :p
[02:34] <tomd123> _derspankster: just be sure to cut your nails before using it, I heard they scratch really easily :)
[02:34] <briansvgs> what time is hardy being released?
[02:34] <tomd123> briansvgs: no definite time
[02:34] <cwillu> briansvgs, 9:47am
[02:34] <d4t4min31> its fixed
[02:34] <d4t4min31> thanks macd
[02:35] <Dr_willis> heh..
[02:35] <briansvgs> ok. thanks
[02:35] <d4t4min31> is there any dock apps in the add programs
[02:35] <tomd123> lol
[02:35] <d4t4min31> id like a dock of some sort
[02:35] <cwillu> briansvgs, or more usefully, some time within 24 hours of the ubuntu website saying 'hardy has been released!'
[02:35] <Dr_willis> tomd123,  see what i mean.. :)
[02:35] <heartsblood> dpsyco is not installed
[02:35] <_derspankster> tomd123: I may just sell it to some Mac-Addict
[02:35] <heartsblood> how do I get rid of that message?
[02:35] <briansvgs> ok. thanks.
[02:36] <briansvgs> a friend and I are staying up tonight to start our downloads, and we were just wondering about what time it would be
[02:36] <tomd123> _derspankster: it'll get you some good cash, and after wards, you can say "sucker"
[02:36] <Dr_willis> briansvgs,  thers no specific time that they are guarenttted to be out.
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> briansvgs: a long long time :)
[02:36] <cwillu> briansvgs, I wasn't kidding when I said that about 24 hours :p
[02:37] <JPSman> What is a native linux driver?
[02:37] <Dr_willis> JPSman,  one written for linux specificially
[02:37] <_derspankster> tomd123: and then the buyer will ride off on his unicycle
[02:38] <tomd123> _derspankster: nah, unicycles are would be considered too ugly for mac addicts, more like a metal brushed car :P
[02:38] <briansvgs> thanks
[02:39] <_derspankster> tomd123: OK, how about a chrome plated Segway?
[02:39] <tomd123> _derspankster: of course@
[02:40] <_derspankster> I'm out for the night. This channel will be fun tomorrow!
[02:40] <Luckrider> how do I make opera print, I just plugged a printer in, and I want to pint my SAT admission ticket, but... I have never printed on this computer before
[02:40] <Luckrider> night _derspankster
[02:41] <IntrepidOne> _derspankster: this channel will be locked down tomorrow check out #ubuntu-release-party that will be fun
[02:41] <_derspankster> Oh yeah, I'll do that - night all
[02:41] <IntrepidOne> #ubuntu will top 2000 users tomorrow I bet
[02:41] <Luckrider> night
[02:41] <IntrepidOne> night
[02:41] <Dr_willis> I normally stay away from the ubuntu channels for the week or 2 following a  release. :) saves my sanity
[02:42] <IntrepidOne> Dr_willis: hehe I hear you
[02:42] <Dr_willis> IntrepidOne,  ive seen it over 3000
[02:42] <Luckrider> so... does anyone want to help me print?
[02:42] <Luckrider> Please, any help is appreciated
[02:42] <IntrepidOne> really?
[02:42] <Dr_willis> Luckrider,  start up the printer config tool. and print a test page.. see if it works
[02:42] <IntrepidOne> have a screenshot of that
[02:42] <IntrepidOne> ?
[02:42] <Luckrider> ok
[02:43] <Dr_willis> IntrepidOne,  im NOT that big a geek.
[02:43] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:43] <IntrepidOne> hehe I am
[02:43] <Luckrider> what is the name of the printer config Dr_willis?
[02:43] <IntrepidOne> Luckrider: in System Prefs
[02:43] <Luckrider> oh
[02:43] <Luckrider> ok
[02:43] <Luckrider> thanks
[02:43] <Falkman> When is 8.10 coming out in central time?
[02:43] <IntrepidOne> Falkman: no one knows
[02:43] <IntrepidOne> gnomefreak: heya
[02:44] <zoommy99> why have 8.04 when you can just have the 12.10 pre-pre alpha 1
[02:44] <maco> ok so, pulseaudio, new ways of changing what X is doing...any other major changes that will confuse people who are used to "the old way"?
[02:44] <Dr_willis> Luckrider,  no idea.  check the menus?  I tend to use kde.  undr gnome it might be gnome-cups-manager
[02:44] <AutoMatriX> 8.10 ? somewher in october, I think
[02:44] <zoommy99> 12.10 beastly bear
[02:44] <maco> and im talking about hardy right now, which the topic still says
[02:44] <Luckrider> ok, thanks
[02:44] <maco> i just want to make sure i dont miss anything on my little FAQ blog post
[02:44] <Luckrider> I have KDE and gnome, and can use KDE controls in Gnome
[02:44] <Dr_willis> 'The official release will happen when it happens, there is no set time for  it to magicially appear on all the servers/mirrors'
[02:45] <gnomefreak> hello HardyOne
[02:45] <zoommy99> have they picked a name for 8.10
[02:45] <Luckrider> Dr_willis, KJobViewer?
[02:45] <Dr_willis> Impatient Impala
[02:45] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:45] <zoommy99> then 9.04 better be beastly bear
[02:46] <Dr_willis> Luckrider,  i tend to run 'gnome-cups-manager'
[02:46] <HardyOne> Intrepid Ibex
[02:46] <zoommy99> funky frog
[02:46] <zoommy99> excellent emu
[02:46] <Dr_willis> kdes printer config tool is a little overkill at times
[02:46] <zoommy99> proud panda
[02:46]  * gnomefreak been gone for a while. Is nvidia-glx now for nvidia 5200 and 5500?
[02:46] <zoommy99> lucky loon
[02:47] <zoommy99> waskaly wabbit
[02:48] <macd> d4t4min31, what fixed it?
[02:48] <gluer> debbie dallas
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> zippy Zebra
[02:55] <linkinxp> ok ok ready????
[02:55] <linkinxp> :D
[02:56] <bazhang> !ibex
[02:56] <ubotu> Intrepid Ibex is the code name for Ubuntu 8.10, due October 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex
[02:56] <heartsblood> what is the process kjournald?  It's caching my ram and it's casuing dsk usage to go in the red
[02:57] <heartsblood> apt doesn't seem to have the package but it's on my system
[02:59] <macd> heartsblood, it handles the journaling of your filesystem, on a new system it might run more heavily than an older system
[02:59] <macd> its a kernel level process, used by journaling filesystems, to be more specific
[02:59] <heartsblood> ah
[03:01] <ubunturox> he y guys
[03:01] <ubunturox> what are the controls for these desktop effects its first time i use them
[03:01] <ubunturox> the key controls
[03:02] <macd> ubunturox, http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3391069&postcount=6
[03:02] <ubunturox> thx
[03:02] <ubunturox> this is real neat
[03:02] <ubunturox> finally got a good nvidia driver with this release
[03:02] <ubunturox> :)
[03:02] <bardyr> kudos to the people who refreshed the new http://start.ubuntu.com/8.04/ it looks really nice
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> I got a sneak peak at the new kubuntu website... looks nice :)
[03:06] <ubunturox> this is real neat
[03:09] <wastrel> yay
[03:11] <twistage> Is there a way to take make an image of my current setup and revert in case Hardy breaks anything?
[03:11] <bardyr> twistage, dd ?
[03:11] <jbroome> !clone
[03:11] <ubotu> To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « dpkg --get-selections > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo dpkg --set-selections < my-packages && sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade » - See also !automate
[03:12] <twistage> Thanks
[03:12] <thiemster> !automate
[03:12] <ubotu> Ways to automate installation of Ubuntu on multiple machines are described at https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/i386/automatic-install.html - See also !cloning
[03:13] <_Rambaldi_> !backup
[03:13] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[03:13] <iMatter> i still have internet problems...
[03:13] <iMatter> ooh its stable now...and i have no internet to update!!!
[03:14] <jbroome> wait, how are you here?
[03:14] <twistage> hahaha
[03:14] <iMatter> My backup OS
[03:14] <iMatter> ive always kept a 3rd operating system besides windows or ubuntu just incase you know?
[03:15] <iMatter> Windows is broken wont boot and ubuntu's internet doesnt work -.-
[03:15] <iMatter> up a creek without a paddle..
[03:15] <iMatter> but happend to find a nice wide stick to help me move on
[03:15] <DanaG> Ubuntu internet doesn't work?  Odd.
[03:15] <DanaG> WiFi?
[03:16] <iMatter> Yes...
[03:16] <iMatter> i dont get any IP
[03:16] <DanaG> Odd.
[03:16] <thompa> when i put in a dvd default movie player skips menus and plays in wrong language
[03:16] <thompa> if i use vlc i can open to menus
[03:17] <iMatter> im halfway connected iwconfig says im connected but ifconfig says i dont have an IP just ip6 has an ip
[03:17] <iMatter> its only used for loopback so thats not my problem
[03:18] <iMatter> localhost or loopback i forget
[03:18] <iMatter> Could someone please help i wont have internet to celebrate in Ubuntu in stead of my backup OS
[03:18] <iMatter> if i do ifconfig ath0 <any local ip>
[03:19] <iMatter> like ifconfig ath0 192.168.1.67
[03:19] <iMatter> it will let me connect enough to get into the router login
[03:19] <iMatter> but nothing past that >.>
[03:19] <DanaG> Anything from manual dhclient?
[03:19] <thompa> latest updates fixed touchpad .. nice
[03:20] <iMatter> its says permission deined
[03:20] <iMatter> even with sudo
[03:20] <iMatter> BBL....
[03:20] <iMatter> lagg bad
[03:21] <DanaG> I manually config my touchpad always.
[03:21] <DanaG> You can't input-hotplug a touchpad.  :(
[03:21] <DanaG> Or at least, can't set any settings whatsoever, if you do.
[03:22] <thompa> DanaG: ive been trying that, my problem has been speed (acelration did not work right) alspo jerking and taping
[03:26] <thompa> i just did a complete reinstall on acer aspire and now everything works, except for the wireless issue
[03:27] <iMatter> Ok back
[03:27] <iMatter> so DanaG can you help me?
[03:28] <iMatter> dhcpd3 fails to gives some error about subnet and 0.0.0.0 ath0
[03:28] <DanaG> Odd.
[03:28] <iMatter> also dhcpcd fails too permission denied...
[03:28] <DanaG> That's strange; I don't know what to do.
[03:28] <iMatter> if atleast dhcp worked
[03:28] <iMatter> i would be here...
[03:28] <iMatter> i can manually do that matter fact i rather do manuall
[03:29] <pen_> how to setup ad hoc with network manager
[03:29] <iMatter> thank grapjical
[03:29] <iMatter> *than
[03:29] <pen_> anyone here know ad hoc?
[03:30] <iMatter> well this sucks
[03:30] <iMatter> Hardy is Stable and me have no internet >.>
[03:32] <jbroome> are we going to hear that all night?
[03:32] <pen_> sorry, got disconneted, anyone msg me?
[03:32] <Sergeant_Pony> nope
[03:33] <iMatter> so can anyone help...please...
[03:34] <DanaG> iMatter: one easy but hackish thing to try:
[03:34] <DanaG> back up any dhcp client config you may have, anbd then purge and reinstall dhcp3 packages.
[03:35] <pen_> adhoc
[03:35] <pen_> plz
[03:35] <DanaG> But don't install the server if you don't need it, of course.
[03:35] <Sergeant_Pony> cool... hibernate and suspend finally work for me :)
[03:35] <iMatter> okie dokie..
[03:35] <iMatter> ill have to do two trips
[03:35] <iMatter> i need to purge...then make a download script then switch to backup OS
[03:36] <iMatter> then go back
[03:36] <iMatter> see if that works
[03:36] <iMatter> if not come back >.>
[03:36] <DanaG> wait a bit:
[03:36] <DanaG> You can still manual config after the purge.
[03:36] <pen_> do I need two wireless card to setup ad hoc?
[03:36] <DanaG> sudo route add default gw 192.168.0.1  (or whatever)  -- after the ifconfig 192.168.0.21 (or whatever)
[03:36] <iMatter> the route to router?
[03:37] <iMatter> or are you talking to me?
[03:37] <DanaG> iMatter:  That sets the default gateway.
[03:37] <DanaG> ﻿If you want to override dependencies, you can sudo dpkg --force-depends --purge dhcp3-client dhcp3-common
[03:37] <pen_> ?
[03:37] <DanaG> Be aware: that force-depends command can be very dangerous if you're not sure of what you're removing.
[03:38] <DanaG> I once made the mistake of removing libc6..... and thus my system had to be reinstalled.
[03:38] <iMatter> :/
[03:38] <iMatter> what exactly does lib6 do...
[03:39] <iMatter> i see it alot during apt-get's
[03:39] <DanaG> libc6?  Basically 100% of binaries on the system depend on it.
[03:39] <iMatter> :/
[03:39] <DanaG> It's the very very base C library.
[03:39] <iMatter> the gateway needs to be the router IP?
[03:39] <DanaG> Yeah.
[03:39] <iMatter> okay
[03:39] <pen_> anyone know how to set it up? I'm bit hurry
[03:39] <iMatter> because 192.168.0.1 is my Ethernet thing >.>
[03:39] <iMatter> bbl
[03:43] <ysth1> I've always liked having the home page in firefox be the default one, but this http://start.ubuntu.com/8.04 thing drives me nuts
[03:44] <DanaG> Oh, that heron is the wrong one!
[03:44] <ysth1> I open a new window and start typing in the location bar, and then it finishes loading and rips the focus away
[03:45] <Fazer> has Hardy been released yet?
[03:45] <ysth1> why isn't it (the html page and its stylesheets and images) packaged up and installed locally?
[03:45] <AdrianStrays> I'm running the RC and I'm having major issues.  The entire system is extremely laggy, especially when scrolling or displaying any types of animation.  Other people have reported this issue, it seems to have something to do with ATI drivers. I was curious if anyone had made progress or had information about it?
[03:45] <ysth1> if Hardy had been released, it would be off topic here :)
[03:45] <pen_> do I need two wireless card to setup ad hoc?
[03:46] <pen_> and how do I setup the easiest way ?
[03:47] <AdrianStrays> :( I guess not?
[03:48]  * DanaG is off at dinner now....
[03:48] <owen1> what repository can i find vinagre?
[03:49] <athem> anyone got an idea how to make my computer poweroff after shutdown? those are the errors i get before computer is shut down:
[03:49] <athem> Network Manager: <WARN> nm_hal_deinit(): libhal shutdown failed - Connection is closed
[03:49] <athem> Network Manager: <WARN> nm_dbus_init(): nm_dbus_init() could not get the system bus. Make sure the message bus daemon is running!
[03:49] <athem> Network Manager: nm_dbus_signal_device_status_change: assertion cb_data->data->dbusconnection` failed
[03:49] <athem> [137.696125] Power down.
[03:50] <dashua`> Very nice.  I got my fingerprint reader working for my Dell XPS m1530 on login and when prompted for superuser privileges.
[03:50] <ToddEDM> hey guys.. i got this problem... when my laptop is left off for a while the screen goes black, then when i press a key, or move the mouse, the screen goes crazy, black and white horizontal lines.. i think im gona have a seizure
[03:51] <dashua`> No more constantly typing root pass.  Just a swipe of the finger.  This is very nice.
[03:53] <x1250> owen1: $ apt-cache policy vinagre
[03:54] <sparr_> dashua`: sweet.  what sort of reader is it?
[03:54] <sparr_> x1250: im guessing he wouldn't be asking if it was in a repository he already had configured
[03:55] <icanhas> can it be hardy tiem?!
[03:56] <Gary_inNYC> dashua, maybe i watch too many movies hehe, but theoretically, couldn't someone just lift a fingerprint off the reader and make a gel mold?
[03:56] <dashua`> sparr_: It's built in to the laptop, not sure of the model.  Just installed thinkfinger and edited pam.
[03:56] <icanhas> Gary_inNYC: Sure, in fact, I even know what city you're in right now
[03:57] <Gary_inNYC> lol
[03:57]  * iMatter falls out of chair
[03:57] <iMatter> the GW thing worked
[03:57] <iMatter> but i had to do iwconfig essid <ap> key <apkey>
[03:58] <iMatter> then ifconfig ath0
[03:58] <rickey> hello folks
[03:58] <icanhas> iMatter: patched or no?
[03:58] <rickey>  ive just installed kubuntu 804 cant get mmy radio stream to play in amaork or bmpx
[03:58] <iMatter> icanhas: that patch didnt work
[03:58] <iMatter> DanaG: told me to add a default gateway
[03:59] <iMatter> as the routers local IP
[03:59] <Gary_inNYC> what?  hardy is officially released?
[03:59] <jbroome> !mp3 | rickey
[03:59] <ubotu> rickey: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:59] <iMatter> that worked after iwconfig ath0 essid <ap> key <apkey>
[03:59] <iMatter> then ifconfig ath0 192.168.1.67
[03:59] <dashua`> I'm assuming Dell will be offering this laptop with Hardy later on.  It'd be foolish not to when almost everything works so well.
[03:59] <iMatter> then gw add
[03:59] <icanhas> iMatter: interesting, that's extremely odd, considering no one with your card could get it working without the patch. you might want to document that somewhere on madwifi's site. unless you aren't using madwifi 0.9.4
[03:59] <iMatter> DanaG: THANKS!!!!
[04:00] <pwnguin> anyone know a replacement for google browser sync?
[04:00] <icanhas> DanaG: wtg
[04:00] <iMatter> im using 0.9.4
[04:00] <iMatter> and my card has always worked by default...
[04:01] <iMatter> before using the madwifi source
[04:01] <iMatter> i started ubuntu at gusty
[04:01] <icanhas> then lspci tells teh lies D:
[04:01] <iMatter> it worked by default
[04:01] <iMatter> upgraded to hardy...
[04:01] <icanhas> well i'm glad it got fixed mate
[04:02] <iMatter> worked
[04:02] <iMatter> then i installed from source
[04:02] <icanhas> Who wants to countdown with me? :D
[04:02] <tawt> is anyone having trouble using the new kernel after installing via the livecd?
[04:02] <ToddEDM> ﻿ hey guys.. i got this problem... when my laptop is left off for a while the screen goes black, then when i press a key, or move the mouse, the screen goes crazy, black and white horizontal lines.. i think im gona have a seizure , can someone help?
[04:02] <pen_> do I need two wireless card to setup ad hoc?
[04:02] <iMatter> idk if its permenant tho
[04:02] <iMatter> hopefully i will not have to do it everytime i login...
[04:03] <tawt> icanhas, countdown til the official release?
[04:03] <icanhas> tawt: sure
[04:03] <tawt> icanhas, what time?  :)
[04:03] <Flannel> icanhas: It'll be released within 32 hours!
[04:03] <DanaG> iMatter: I'm back now.
[04:04] <DanaG> I was eating dinner,
[04:04] <DanaG> .
[04:04] <iMatter> DanaG: THANK YOU!
[04:04] <iMatter> i didnt have to purge the gw thing worked
[04:04] <iMatter> had to do iwconfig then set the ip with ifconfig then gw add
[04:04]  * tawt is downloading hardy now  :D
[04:04] <DanaG> That gets you access for now, but you should still try to fix dhclient.
[04:05] <iMatter> hopefully its permant
[04:05] <ToddEDM> does noone have that problem, when coming out of standby?
[04:05] <iMatter> it looks like its working..
[04:06] <DanaG> Still, you should try purging and reinstalling dhclient so you can fix dhcp.
[04:06] <iMatter> i did dhclient and it didnt give permission denied
[04:06] <tawt> toddedm, what kernel are you using?
[04:06] <iMatter> i think it was all sourounded by default GW
[04:07] <ToddEDM> is there a command i can type in the terminal to get you the kernel?
[04:07] <iMatter> uname -r
[04:07] <iMatter> if you want kernal name
[04:07] <DanaG> Linux GLaDOS 2.6.24-16-generic #1 SMP Thu Apr 10 13:23:42 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[04:07] <DanaG> that's -a
[04:07] <ToddEDM> 2.6.24-16-generic
[04:08] <ToddEDM> i upgraded gutsy to hardy
[04:08] <tawt> toddedm, that should of been fixed with the new kernel
[04:08] <ToddEDM> is there a way to upgrade the kernel?
[04:08] <tawt> toddedm, are you using 64 type processors?
[04:08] <ToddEDM> yes i am
[04:09] <AdrianStrays> ﻿I'm running the RC and I'm having major issues.  The entire system is extremely laggy, especially when scrolling or displaying any types of animation.  Other people have reported this issue, it seems to have something to do with ATI drivers. I was curious if anyone had made progress or had information about it?
[04:09] <darthanubis> is it out yet :-P
[04:09] <ToddEDM> Turion 64 x2
[04:09] <tawt> toddedm, crap.  i was hoping that would be fixed with the kernel.  that's what i use
[04:09] <tawt> i'm downloading hardy now
[04:09] <darthanubis> !hardware | AdrianStrays
[04:09] <ubotu> AdrianStrays: For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport - To help debugging and improving hardware detection, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection
[04:09] <ToddEDM> it never happened in gutsy...
[04:10] <darthanubis> !sense
[04:10] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[04:10] <darthanubis> That last line is important to remember
[04:10] <darthanubis> Some may not want to upgrade
[04:11] <tawt> lol, yeah.  i messed up my gutsy partition by upgrading
[04:11] <AdrianStrays> Darth, my hardware worked fine in Gusty.
[04:11] <tawt> so i'm downloading the .iso and wiping the partition
[04:12] <darthanubis> AdrianStrays, thats why I only upgrade, no clean installs. I hate having to reset up all my hardware
[04:12] <darthanubis> but I don't use hardware that has issues
[04:13] <tawt> does the new bootcd give you the option of creating a separate partition for /home ?
[04:13] <jbroome> y
[04:13] <darthanubis> I don't do ati, because I use linux, and nvidia has always been the wat to go
[04:13] <AdrianStrays> Darthanubis, I did upgrade rather than fresh install
[04:13] <darthanubis> I don't do pre-built systems, dell,gatewat etc
[04:14] <tawt> darthanubis, if i were to use a pre-built system, which would be most linux friendly?
[04:14] <darthanubis> AdrianStrays, how good are you at admin' a linux system?
[04:14] <whitt> I'm having a weird issue with my sound after  installing hardy.  i am using amarok, but whenever i switch users, it pauses the music playing
[04:14] <mikedep333> help, in order to get my nvidia card working, I had to install an old nvidia driver. In the process I have rebuilt my xorg.conf alot of times. I now have 3d acceleration, but the mouse cursor is missing. How do I restore my mouse cursor?
[04:14] <mikedep333> should I post my xorg.conf?
[04:14] <darthanubis> tawt, I guess a Dell these days if you had no choice. But I never reccomend boxed deals
[04:15] <darthanubis> build your own, its cheaper and not hard
[04:15] <ISS_Student> I need some help with Hardy Heron. I installed RC and all was fine even my Realtek sound worked then I did all the updates I think it was 90 and now my sound is dead. Anybody know how to fix this issue?
[04:15] <tawt> darthanubis, ok.  i'll try it once i get some money
[04:15] <AdrianStrays> darthanubis, I'm a linux convert, been using it for a month, so not good.  However, there was an entire post about this issue, with some people who seem rather smart. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=732006 that might give you information I can't.
[04:15] <darthanubis> !xorg | mikedep333
[04:15] <ubotu> mikedep333: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:15] <HardyOne> tawt: System76
[04:16] <tawt> hardyone:  what?
[04:16] <keb> is the alternate install iso supposed to work on systems with 64MB ram?
[04:16] <HardyOne> tawt: google it
[04:16] <tawt> hardyone:  ok
[04:16] <pwnguin> anyone know a replacement for google browser sync? it's not compatible with ff3beta5
[04:16] <HardyOne> tawt: pre built and linux friendly :)
[04:17] <darthanubis> AdrianStrays, your not good enough to be upgrading. You'll over look minor things. But it will be a learning experience. Otherwise, a month? You'd be better off clean installing
[04:17] <tawt> hardyone, nice.  i see.
[04:17] <tawt> hardyone, does the wireless work with those?
[04:17] <HardyOne> tawt: if they install it it works
[04:18] <tawt> hardyone, :D
[04:18] <mikedep333> darthanubis, I know what X is, I know how to stop and start GDM, and nothing in that page deals with a missing mouse cursor
[04:18] <darthanubis> !google | mikedep333
[04:18] <ubotu> mikedep333: google is the helpers' friend; many newer users dont have the google-fu yet; For GNU/Linux:  http://google.com/linux
[04:18] <HardyOne> tawt: they build Ubuntu systems so they make sure all the hardware works as it should. least I would hope so
[04:19] <darthanubis> did you search for a bug?
[04:19] <mikedep333> yeah, I am googling right now
[04:19] <darthanubis> see if others have the same issue?
[04:19] <tawt> hardyone, yeah.  thanks a lot man!
[04:19] <HardyOne> np
[04:19] <darthanubis> mikedep333, did you run nvidia-xconfig?
[04:19] <mikedep333> yes
[04:19] <darthanubis> !nvidia
[04:19] <ubotu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:19] <darthanubis> !restricted
[04:19] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:20] <HardyOne> tawt: and affordable also :)
[04:21] <tawt> hardyone, i've quickly noticed  :D
[04:22] <HardyOne> wish I would of ordered my pc from them. I paid same price from tigerdirect and still have not been able to get Ubuntu running on it :/. gave it to my mother in law and took her laptop. runs hardy great
[04:23] <whitt>  I'm having a weird issue with my sound after  installing hardy.  i am using amarok, but whenever i switch users, it pauses the music playing.  It this a bug or a feature?
[04:24] <mikedep333> I got it
[04:24] <mikedep333> I had to disable the hardware cursor
[04:24] <Blu3Knight> Was anyone here successful in installing VmWare 6.3 on Hardy Heron?
[04:24] <mikedep333> this reminds me of the windows 9x days
[04:24] <mikedep333> thx
[04:25] <Fdisk93> i was waiting on hardy but now im getting worried about upgrading
[04:25] <slackd00d> why
[04:26] <Fdisk93> was there as many troble msgs when gusty cam out ?
[04:26] <slackd00d> yes
[04:26] <slackd00d> even more
[04:26] <Fdisk93> ok now i feel better
[04:26] <Fdisk93> lol
[04:27] <keb> what is the minimum RAM required to install Hardy?
[04:27] <edajai> 384
[04:27] <keb> thanks
[04:27] <edajai> or 256 if u r using the alt-cd
[04:28] <cheesypenguin> how much ram does hardy demand for the desktop?
[04:28] <keb> aha. no wonder it took 18 hours with 64MB :P
[04:28] <edajai> :D
[04:28] <icanhas> ram... is... so.. cheap
[04:28] <edajai> keb: hardy will be nearly unusable in a system with 64 mb
[04:28] <keb> you can't get more ram into old pcs
[04:29] <keb> well fluxbuntu 7.10rc was usable
[04:29] <teamcobra> so, what's the countdown at in hours? ;)
[04:29] <cwillu> keb, my definition of old starts at about 2000+
[04:29] <Fdisk93> i do have a question but its probly a matter of opion
[04:29] <edajai> keb:u cud hav tried distros lik dsl for ur computer
[04:29] <cwillu> I have yet to run into a machine made in 2000 or later that didn't support at least 256
[04:29] <Fdisk93> is 32 or 64 version better ?
[04:29] <keb> yep i'm trying puppy now
[04:30] <teamcobra> fdisk: do you work w/ audio applications often (esp windows ones)?
[04:30] <cwillu> teamcobra, pick a number, any number
[04:30] <pixelmonkey> anyone know of a list of mirrors available for the hardy RC that we can use in place of the defaults in /etc/apt/sources.list?  The main servers are quite slow, currently.
[04:30] <Fdisk93> video yes
[04:30] <teamcobra> cwillu ;) btw, almost done w/ the kernel, doing a git4 package
[04:30] <cwillu> woot
[04:30] <edajai> Fdisk93: u need more than 4 gb of ram to have any perfomance imp with a 64 bit version
[04:30] <teamcobra> getting a couple bugs out... here's the kicker though..... MESH SUPPORT!
[04:30] <Fdisk93> ok i only have 4gb
[04:30] <cwillu> heh
[04:31] <Fdisk93> so 32 would be best for me
[04:31] <edajai> Fdisk93: findin applications for 64bit might be tiresoome
[04:31] <Fdisk93> true
[04:31] <slackd00d> pixelmonkey: look in /usr/share/python-apt/templates/Ubuntu.mirrors
[04:32] <Fdisk93> i had heard cindarella will now only work on 64 hardy is this correct ?
[04:32] <DanaG> http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/11/8/4
[04:32] <DanaG> Dang, I sooo want that driver.
[04:32] <DanaG> My next laptop will be one that has that device.
[04:32] <Blu3Knight> Does anyone have VmWare Workstation running on Hardy Heron?
[04:33] <Fdisk93> * Cinelerra brain fart
[04:35] <slackd00d> i have no problem running x86_64
[04:35] <cheesypenguin> !jfs
[04:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jfs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:36] <kahrytan> Can you do port ranges in ufw?
[04:37] <tawt> will hardy have the option to make a separate /home partition from the livecd?
[04:37] <cwillu> hey neat, firefox just crashed
[04:37] <icanhas> cwillu: that's a feature
[04:37] <kahrytan> cwillu->  what were you doing
[04:37] <tawt> cwillu, it's beta
[04:37] <kahrytan> icanhas->  Windows != Ubuntu
[04:37] <cwillu> tawt, yes, but ubuntu isn't really anymore :p
[04:38] <DanaG> s/->/→/
[04:38] <cwillu> kahrytan, clicked a link, no idea what yet
[04:38] <kahrytan> icanhas-> oops Ubuntu != Windows
[04:38] <cwillu> (probably something with a flash video, but I don't know)
[04:38] <tawt> cwillu, i ment firefox.  it's something like firefox 3, beta 6.  right?
[04:38] <cwillu> icanhas, icanhasfeature?
[04:38] <kahrytan> cwillu->  There flash video crashes are easily fixed
[04:38] <rickey> i got this message ///Type 'kubuntu-restricted-extras.' is not known on line 56 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:39] <cwillu> in a manner that doesn't include removing flash?
[04:39] <kahrytan> cwillu->  tell ff to use asla
[04:39] <rickey> i know i got to go in and fix it ,but i forgot how to excess the code
[04:39] <cwillu> kahrytan, that doesn't break software mixing does it?
[04:39] <Bryan> I'm having trouble suspending with my laptop. It's using a nVidia 8400M GS. Any help would be appreciated.
[04:39] <suprie> i want to change my flash plugin from gnash to adobe flash
[04:40] <suprie> how to do it ?
[04:40] <kahrytan> cwillu->  what was it using last time?
[04:40] <kahrytan> last release
[04:40] <rickey> my apt mmanager is locked up
[04:40] <icanhas> You're right, Ubtunu != Windows, ff2 doesn't crash randomly with flash in Windows, heh.
[04:40] <cwillu> kahrytan, alsa+esd?
[04:40] <tawt>  != ?  what's that mean
[04:41] <Bryan> tawt, it means "does not equal"
[04:41] <ragsagar> not equal to
[04:41] <cwillu> why are you asking me?  I'm the one having trouble :p
[04:41] <tawt> ok
[04:41] <peepsalot> what's the command to see some kind of hardware info dialog?
[04:41] <kahrytan> != = Not Equal
[04:41] <AdrianStrays> darthanubis, are you still on?
[04:41]  * icanhas thinks.. 9th grade math
[04:41] <ragsagar> programming usage
[04:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about not equal - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:41] <Bryan> peepsalot, lspci
[04:41] <rickey> what is the sudo command to unlock apt manager
[04:41] <darthanubis> AdrianStrays, yup
[04:41] <kahrytan> tawt->  != is programmer speak for not equal
[04:41] <Bryan> I'm having trouble suspending with my laptop. It's using a nVidia 8400M GS. Any help would be appreciated.
[04:41] <peepsalot> Bryan, no, i mean, isn't there some gui that shows a lot of general hardware info?
[04:41] <icanhas> !repeat | Bryan
[04:41] <ubotu> Bryan: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[04:42] <tawt> i want to learn programming, but have no time... :(  (pharmacy major)
[04:42] <MrKeuner> hi, if I download the latest daily snapshot does it really mean that I downloaded tomorrows release as of today?
[04:42] <ragsagar> use desklets!
[04:42] <AdrianStrays> darthanubis, what if I uninstalled fglrx driver and installed the open-source raedon driver?
[04:42] <peepsalot> tawt, change majors, problem solved
[04:42] <icanhas> MrKeuner: lets say... close enough
[04:42] <tawt> rofl!
[04:42] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: what's your issue? and what card?
[04:42] <kahrytan> MrKeuner->  There is always some1 asking that
[04:43] <cwillu> kahrytan, how do you tell firefox to use alsa?
[04:43] <rickey> The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[04:43] <MrKeuner> kahrytan: :)
[04:43] <rickey> how do it fix it
[04:43] <MikeCulver> I just fell back from the fglrx driver to the ati/radeon driver and am having a horrible time getting DRI and compositing working
[04:43] <rickey> how do i fix it
[04:43] <icanhas> MikeCulver: what card?
[04:43] <peepsalot> rickey, did you " Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal"
[04:44] <rickey> yes i did
[04:44] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, I recently upgrade to the Hardy RC, and found that everything is really laggy. Scrolling, typing, basically any form of animation. I never had this issue with Gusty.  There is a post that is more indepth that talks about the issue here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=732006
[04:44] <MikeCulver> Mobility FireGL T2... treats it like a Radeon 9600
[04:44] <Ali_ix> rickey: any more Specific error message?
[04:44] <MikeCulver> hmm...
[04:44] <MikeCulver> xorg log says DRI enabled...
[04:44] <MikeCulver> glxinfo says no
[04:44] <darthanubis> AdrianStrays, its your system. I don't mean to sound crass, but you have to learn by reading and trial and error. There si plenty of documentation for this distro. But I don't use ATI. If I did....
[04:44] <Ali_ix> rickey: there might be a problem in your sourceslst file
[04:44] <MikeCulver> I did Mode 0666 and no dice
[04:44] <darthanubis> !works | AdrianStrays
[04:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about works - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:44] <rickey> yes line 56
[04:44] <icanhas> MikeCulver: odd, my friends 9600 worked with open source and AIGLX by default
[04:44] <darthanubis> !work | AdrianStrays
[04:44] <ubotu> AdrianStrays: Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[04:45] <peepsalot> !pastebin @ rickey
[04:45] <darthanubis> !sense | AdrianStrays
[04:45] <ubotu> AdrianStrays: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[04:45] <rickey> how do i edit it
[04:45] <MikeCulver> yeah.. AIGLX is working, but not DRI or compositing
[04:45] <MikeCulver> even Xv works fine.  It really makes no sense.
[04:45] <peepsalot> rickey, pastebin the full log from running apt-get update
[04:45] <icanhas> MikeCulver: er, then AIGLX is _not_ working
[04:45] <cab86> Synaptic says I have restricted modules installed for 5 different kernels... is it alright to remove the ones that  are not 2.6.24-16??  also, right now i' am attempting to completely remove the ati drivers to make clean attempt to install them.... is it alright to uninstall the xserver-xorg-video-ati?
[04:45] <rickey> what is pasteben\
[04:45] <cheesypenguin> !hardy
[04:45] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Support in #ubuntu+1 - Come join the #ubuntu-release-party now!
[04:45] <U9527> come on, what time
[04:45] <MikeCulver> xorg log claims it is
[04:45] <peepsalot> !pastebin | rickey
[04:45] <ubotu> rickey: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[04:45] <Ali_ix> rickey: in terminal: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.lst
[04:46] <U9527> come on, what time
[04:46] <Ali_ix> rickey: in terminal: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:46] <MikeCulver> icanhas: But here's another thing that might help
[04:46] <darthanubis> AdrianStrays, basically, you are responsible for your machine. Sure, try things out. Break stuff if you have to. But read and search for things first. Then you'll have a better idea of what to ask.
[04:46] <bluefoxx> how can i make my xbox360 controller i found today[$4 with usb adaptor] show up in /dev/js0 in addition to the /dev/input/js0 that it is allready?
[04:46] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: er, do you have xgl installed?
[04:46] <MikeCulver> icanhas: I did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg.. and said to use FBdev...
[04:47] <darthanubis> bluefoxx, irc.otfc.net #xbox-linux
[04:47] <MikeCulver> icanhas: that fubared everything.. did another dpkg.. and said no fbdev.. since then I can't get DRI working at all
[04:47] <AdrianStrays> darthanubis, I did research, thats exactly how I found that tread.  I did try stuff, and it didn't work. I have limited knowledge and require help. It is obviously not my machine, as everything funcution perfectly prior to my upgrade.
[04:47] <icanhas> MikeCulver: honest that shouldn't make a bit of a difference.. can you pastebin your xorg log?
[04:47] <bluefoxx> darthanubis: kk, ty
[04:47] <darthanubis> np
[04:47] <MikeCulver> sure.. want me to grep anything?
[04:47] <icanhas> MikeCulver: and your xorg config too
[04:47] <icanhas> MikeCulver: no, whole thing
[04:48] <darthanubis> nothing is obvious
[04:48] <MikeCulver> pastebin?  what do you mean by that?
[04:48] <ToddEDM> when hardy is released, will an icon come up and let me install the latest files???
[04:48] <bluefoxx> darthanubis: * Looking up irc.otfc.net
[04:48] <bluefoxx> * Unknown host. Maybe you misspelled it?
[04:48] <icanhas> !paste | MikeCulver
[04:48] <ubotu> MikeCulver: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[04:48] <ToddEDM> im running hardy now
[04:48] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, I believe so.
[04:48] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: what card do you have?
[04:48] <darthanubis> bluefoxx, sorry oftc
[04:48] <icesword> what time :P
[04:48] <icesword> :p
[04:48] <bluefoxx> darthanubis: kk
[04:49] <AdrianStrays> icanhus, Radeon Xpress 110
[04:49] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: can you give me the output of the last line of fglrxinfo?
[04:49] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, I should be compatible with the open source driver
[04:49] <whitt> can someone help me with an audio issue?  My music pauses whenever I switch users
[04:49] <jimmygoon> Does pulseaudio intentionally prevent vlc/totem/gstreamer/rhythmbox  from outputing audio when firefox/youtube are open (even when they are paused)???
[04:49] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, OpenGL version string: 1.2 (2.1 Mesa 7.0.3)
[04:49] <MikeCulver> pasted
[04:50] <cwillu> jimmygoon, did you have the crashy firefox issue previously?
[04:50] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: wait, are you using fglrx or open source radeon ati in xorg.conf?
[04:50] <icanhas> MikeCulver: you need to give me the url it gave you when you submitted it
[04:50] <peepsalot> MikeCulver, you have to paste the URL to your pastebin into this channel
[04:50] <keb> firefox,flash,pulseaudio  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/192888
[04:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192888 in pulseaudio "firefox crashes on flash contents" [High,In progress]
[04:50] <peepsalot> heh
[04:51] <MikeCulver> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64180/
[04:51] <AdrianStrays> icanas, fglrx I think, let me check
[04:51] <jimmygoon> cwillu, yes, fixed with nswrapper though
[04:51] <cwillu> jimmygoon, k, that's what I feared;
[04:51] <jimmygoon> cwillu, er, and I just installed flashblock though I disabled that
[04:51] <MikeCulver> makes sense now.. thanks
[04:51] <jimmygoon> cwillu, nswrapper > audio :) I'm tired of ff crahsing
[04:51] <cwillu> kahrytan, looks like switching to alsa in firefox _does_ disable audiomixing
[04:52] <MikeCulver> I'm reading it as well.  I was trying to change settings and restart X, but it didn't seem to make a difference until I flat out restarted the system
[04:52] <jimmygoon> cwillu, ping me if you need me to test/try anything. I'd be happy to help
[04:52] <jimmygoon> heh I just realized 7.04 ships tomorrow :O
[04:52] <MikeCulver> that's also another strange thing that's happened since moving to 8.04
[04:52] <jimmygoon> 8.04 rahter
[04:52] <icesword> @time holland
[04:53] <icesword> nickrud, hi, what time is it in holland
[04:53] <icanhas> MikeCulver: interesting. you might want to add the MergedFB "enable" option to your xorg.conf, but first can you pastebin that for me too?
[04:53] <odious_> i'm itching for my hardy release :)
[04:53] <rickey> sudo gedit/etc/apt/sources.list this command did not work
[04:53] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, I am
[04:54] <MikeCulver> ah.. yes
[04:54] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: can you paste the full output of fglrxinfo
[04:54] <nickrud> icesword according to my world clock nearly 6am
[04:54] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: pastebin, rather
[04:54] <AutoMatriX> rickey, a space between gedit and /etc
[04:54] <ragsagar> rickey it will open sources.list file using gedit
[04:54] <jimmygoon> rickey, there should be a space between gedit the app name and /etc/... the argument
[04:54] <MrKeuner> I cannot wait for tomorro
[04:54] <ragsagar> there is space b/w the app name and path
[04:54] <jimmygoon> :)
[04:55] <MikeCulver> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64181/
[04:55] <MrKeuner> I'll sleep sp that it will be tomorrow sooner
[04:55] <icesword> nickrud, thx, tony said hardy will be out before 00:00 24th in holland time
[04:55] <AutoMatriX> rickye must have got it ;)
[04:55] <nickrud> icesword only the shadow knows
[04:55] <DanaG> mumble grumble... scheduler issues....
[04:55] <AdrianStrays> !pastebin
[04:55] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[04:55] <icanhas> Mikec
[04:56] <icesword> nickrud, who is shadow
[04:56] <icanhas> MikeCulver: god you have more xorg edits than ME, that's bad
[04:56] <MikeCulver> lol
[04:56] <MikeCulver> well..
[04:56] <MikeCulver> i moved from a simple config back to one that worked previously
[04:56] <icanhas> MikeCulver: glxinfo | grep direct ?
[04:56] <jimmygoon> mumble grumble xorg patches, reversions, and ultimately zero usability of the installer for any gm855 users
[04:56] <gabriela> Hi, What player would I use to play .wma music files.  Looks like Exaile will not play them. Any Ideas?
[04:57] <pwnguin> gabriela: does totem not play them?
[04:57] <MikeCulver> direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)
[04:57] <jimmygoon> gabriela, install restricted-extras and then any of htem
[04:57] <bardyr> gabriela, install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[04:57] <pwnguin> gabriela: apparently totem will play them if you install ubuntu-restricted-extras for the codecs ;)
[04:57] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64182/
[04:57] <bardyr> heh
[04:57] <nickrud> icesword a 30's radio serial in the states, he strike fear into the hearts of men
[04:57] <ragsagar> install vlx
[04:57] <ragsagar> sorry vlc
[04:57] <JPSman> so does ndiswrapper work in hardy?
[04:58] <bardyr> yes
[04:58] <pwnguin> vlc does a terrible job with softsubs
[04:58] <icesword> k
[04:58] <JPSman> hrm
[04:58] <gabriela> bardyr: Would I do a search in synaptics for "ubuntu-restricted-extras"?
[04:58] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: your fglrx is crashing on startup, and x is defaulting back to mesa. can you pastebin your /etc/X11/Xorg.0.log ?
[04:58] <cwillu> jimmygoon, have you seen nspluginwrapper?
[04:58] <AutoMatriX> hi folks, any Idea how to sync my cellular over IR with my laptop ?
[04:58] <icanhas> MikeCulver: any reason you aren't using fglrx?
[04:58] <nikitis> Is 8.04 released tomorrow April 24th sometime?
[04:58] <jimmygoon> cwillu, I'm using it
[04:58] <bardyr> gabriela, yes or sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[04:58] <jimmygoon> cwillu, not sure why its not the default
[04:59] <cwillu> do you still have libflashsupport installed?
[04:59] <jimmygoon> cwillu, how would I check that
[04:59] <bardyr> nikitis, yes
[04:59] <cwillu> synaptic
[04:59] <MikeCulver> fglrx.. on this config, with compiz active, periodically (about half the time) doesn't resume from suspend.. just hangs
[04:59] <jimmygoon> cwillu, I purged flash and then reinstalled it afterword
[04:59] <nikitis> bardyr, sweet i'm scheduling an off day for work ;)
[05:00] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, there is no such file, I even went in and looked myself.
[05:00] <icanhas> MikeCulver: oh, that sounds about right. i'll be honest with you, radeon drivers should work with compositing and dri default on hardy, so it must have something to do with your upgrade
[05:00] <odious_> nikitis: heh, it's april 24th here now and i did the same... but it's not out yet so i came into the office :P
[05:00] <jimmygoon> cwillu, dpkg -l | grep flash yields: ii  flashplugin-nonfree    9.0.124.0ubuntu2
[05:00] <cwillu> jimmygoon, are you still checking libflashsupport?
[05:00] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: /var/log/Xorg.0.log , sorry i'm distracted
[05:00] <cwillu> jimmygoon, try installing it
[05:00] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/xorg.conf
[05:00] <pwnguin> AdrianStrays: is there anything that matches Xorg.*.log?
[05:00] <DanaG> I have a way tweaked xorg.conf myself.
[05:00] <icanhas> pwnguin: my fault, i sent him to the wrong folder
[05:00] <cwillu> it used to be installed by default (now its just suggests, as it 'causes' the crash)
[05:00] <ragsagar> search for gstreamer
[05:00] <jimmygoon> cwillu, what about libflash?
[05:00] <gabriela> bardyr: Thanks so much - they are downloading now - appreciate it!
[05:01] <bardyr> gabriela, np
[05:01] <MikeCulver> icanhas: Really, I'm trying to get compiz up since the radeon performance is a bit better than it has been before.  I was hoping that would work without killing itself on resume which has largely been my problem
[05:01] <MikeCulver> icanhas: I'll try mergedfb
[05:01] <pwnguin> gabriela: dont thank us till it's working ;)
[05:01] <AdrianStrays> !pastebin
[05:01] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[05:01] <DanaG> Hmm, no audio, or crash city?
[05:01] <DanaG> It's a "rock and a hard place" situation.
[05:01] <jimmygoon> :(
[05:01] <cwillu> jimmygoon, I'm sorry?
[05:02] <DanaG> It'd be almost-fixed with that nspluginwrapper.
[05:02] <jimmygoon> cwillu, should I install libflash0 also?
[05:02] <jimmygoon> cwillu, or just libflashsupport
[05:02] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64183/
[05:02] <gabriela> pwnguin: still chugging away on dload - we'll see - I'm an optimist - grin
[05:02] <cwillu> jimmygoon, no, don't go installing things I didn't ask you to install :p
[05:02] <jimmygoon> cwillu, :) ok
[05:02] <rickey> it says  sudo  gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:03] <jimmygoon> cwillu, that fixes it
[05:03] <cwillu> okay
[05:03] <rickey> sudo gedit command not fond
[05:03] <Twistage> Is the upgrade to the new Gnome going to break all my current themes and desktop settings?
[05:03] <cwillu> you'll probably have a flash window turn grey once in a while, that's flash crashing (and not firefox, thanks to nspluginwrapper)
[05:04] <jimmygoon> cwillu, yeah, I've had that happen a few times. I figured as much and did a short prayer for firefox not crashing. I've never been more happy as something fails :/
[05:04] <rickey> me being in 804 dose that make a differnce?
[05:04] <ragsagar> rickey use nano instead of gedit
[05:04] <jimmygoon> rickey, did you install server?
[05:04] <rickey> ok ill tyry
[05:04] <icanhas> AdrianStrays:  cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep fglrx
[05:04] <rickey> no
[05:05] <DanaG> Nowadays I've come to dislike some specific closed-source software quite a lot.
[05:05] <cwillu> jimmygoon, supposedly (/me hopes) it also cures flash animations causing performance issues (or at least, will make them niceable)
[05:05] <ragsagar> wat no?
[05:05] <DanaG> FLash is among the worst.
[05:05] <DanaG> ﻿*crash* ﻿*crash* ﻿*crash* ﻿*crash* ﻿*crash* ﻿*crash* ﻿*crash* ﻿*crash*
[05:05] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, there was no output
[05:05] <DanaG> Thaaaaanks, Adobe.  Lovely.
[05:05] <jimmygoon> heh, windows flat out removed my sound card yesterday and the reinstall killed my control panel. it was fun to fix
[05:05] <Wyleyrabbit> .
[05:05] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: yeah, your xorg conf isn't trying to load fglrx drivers... you're not using fglrx at all right now
[05:06] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: it's not crashing, you're just not using it :P are you in Hardy I imagine? and new install or upgrade?
[05:06] <keb> i never had a crash with gnash
[05:06] <keb> but it is slower
[05:06] <jimmygoon> cwillu, hm, I dunna. I was just sick of it hanging on pages that used flash for trivial things in the background but flashblock helps and then with nspluginwrapper I'm a happy camper. Well, outside of my other issue
[05:06] <omgomgomghardyhe> AH
[05:06] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, I am.  It was an upgrade.
[05:06] <odious_> hi omgomgomghardyhe
[05:06] <cwillu> jimmygoon, I installed flashblock the day an ad started yelling at me to 'say something' at 4 in the morning
[05:07] <DanaG> What ad?
[05:07] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, that is really bizarre as I was using it in Gusty
[05:07] <DanaG> YOu should write a nasty letter to the advertiser.
[05:07] <omgomgomghardyhe> 'ello
[05:07] <DanaG> s/s/z/
[05:07] <jimmygoon> cwillu, haha, abblockplus also does wonders
[05:07] <cwillu> DanaG, those adverts for the smileyfaces you can add to msn messenger
[05:07] <odious_> DanaG: no you had it right the first time :)
[05:07] <cwillu> jimmygoon, flashblock is enough for me :p
[05:07] <DanaG> Probably come with free malware.
[05:07]  * jimmygoon LOVES smilies... all 10,000 he already has
[05:07] <JPSman> how can I update hardy when i can't get on line?
[05:07] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: ok ,PROBABLY what happened, is you had an old version of fglrx installed in an old kernel you used Gutsy on, didn't come to the new kernel.. but xgl DID< hence your slow down. lets fix your lag first ok?
[05:07] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, alright
[05:08] <DanaG> My smileys: ♡♥
[05:08]  * cwillu woots
[05:08] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: sudo apt-get remove --purge xserver-xgl
[05:08] <DanaG> and ↖↑↗→↘↓↙←↖
[05:08]  * cwillu woohoo's as well
[05:08]  * cwillu sees npviewer.bin, and mercilessly nices it to +20
[05:08] <DanaG> Who needs smileys when you have unicode?
[05:08] <DanaG> You could wrap it in an auto 'nice'
[05:08] <JPSman> how can I upgrade hardy when i can't get online BECAUSE of hardy?
[05:08] <cwillu> however, you know what nsplugwrapper breaks?
[05:08] <keb> i wonder if the horns on unicode are magical
[05:08] <jimmygoon> <3 = awesome enough
[05:08] <pwnguin> anyone know a replacement for google browser sync? it's not compatible with ff3beta5
[05:09] <cwillu> the long-time-in-coming ability to mousewheel while the cursor is in a flash block :p
[05:09] <jimmygoon> pwnguin, do you just need bookmarks? or history and passwords too
[05:09] <odious_> JPSman: that is a pickle
[05:09] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, done
[05:09] <icanhas> AdrianStrays:
[05:09] <pwnguin> i'd prefer history+passwords
[05:09] <jimmygoon> cwillu, that didn't work for me even without nsplugwrapper
[05:09] <DanaG> That was still broken for me.
[05:09] <pwnguin> i dont need a delicious plugin
[05:09] <DanaG> ALways.
[05:09] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: now restart X, and i'll see you back in 45 seconds :)
[05:09] <jimmygoon> pwnguin, :) haha ok
[05:09] <JPSman> odious_: and if they come out with a fix how will I know?
[05:09] <DanaG> gucharmap!
[05:09] <DanaG> Run it and enjoy.
[05:09] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, okay hold on.
[05:09] <jimmygoon> god thats annoying too
[05:10] <JPSman> odious_: can I just burn a CD and update that way?
[05:10] <DanaG> Don't run with ✁✂✃✂✁✂✃✂✁✂✃✂✁✂✃✂
[05:10] <DanaG> Or I'll hit you with a(n) ✈
[05:10] <jimmygoon> JPSman, when you add put it in ubuntu will ask if you want to use it as a software repo then you can upgrade as normal
[05:10] <DanaG> Way fun.  Beats smileys, for sure.
[05:10] <icanhas> DanaG: hyper? a little less OT during help time plz.. :/
[05:11] <peepsalot> don't run with barbed wire?
[05:11] <JPSman> so wait for the latest version to come out on a CD iso then try it?
[05:11] <pwnguin> sadly, gnometerm+screen+irssi+localepurge gives me  < DanaG> Don't run with ââââââââââââââââ
[05:11] <DanaG> Actually, those were scissors.
[05:11] <pwnguin> hmm
[05:11] <DanaG> down middle up middle .... loop.
[05:11] <JPSman> no they were a's
[05:12] <jimmygoon> JPSman, sure, I'd personally check reports of dist-upgrading success first, sometimes its not a clean break and the internet is useful for fixes, reinstalling packages, irc help, etc
[05:12] <pwnguin> cutnpaste ftl
[05:12] <tcpdumpgod> Anyone using XMMS2? If so, what client?
[05:12] <jimmygoon> haha, thats quite the remote access
[05:12] <pwnguin> its actually quite neat
[05:13] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, done
[05:13] <pwnguin> screen+irssi is pretty handy. never leave irc again!
[05:13] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: 3 to 1 odds you have less leg, right?
[05:13] <jimmygoon> I hate irssi. I'm a gui sucker
[05:13] <DanaG> I use pidgin for irc.
[05:13] <jimmygoon> ewww
[05:13] <pwnguin> jimmygoon: you use /join and /part though, right?
[05:13] <ragsagar> iam using xchat
[05:13] <ragsagar> pidgin wont allow every commands
[05:13] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, you should've put really money on that... yes things are sigificantly better
[05:14] <jimmygoon> pwnguin, when I'm using something outside of my autoconnected channels yeah
[05:14] <ragsagar> anyone using Konversation?
[05:14] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: are you interested in knowing why? or would you rather just fix your fglrx now? :)
[05:14] <pwnguin> the only thing missing really is a who sidepane but oh well
[05:14] <peepsalot> DanaG, ah, yeah i can see them if i make the font some ridiculously huge size, otherwise they are kinda a blur
[05:14] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, I am! Do tell
[05:14] <pwnguin> better than a goofy irc proxy
[05:14] <jimmygoon> pwnguin, firewall somewhere?
[05:15] <peepsalot> pwnguin, you tried weechat?
[05:15] <jimmygoon> I need to setup a vpn server at home, my school is getting overzealous
[05:15] <peepsalot> +screen
[05:15] <pwnguin> jimmygoon: no
[05:15] <jimmygoon> mibbit rocks too... like seriously
[05:15] <pwnguin> peepsalot: once
[05:15] <peepsalot> seems nicer than irssi IMO
[05:16] <pwnguin> i should get this script working again i saw
[05:16] <jimmygoon> isn't screen like vnc for cli
[05:16] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: older versions of fglrx ( < 8.42.3, like the one in the Gutsy repos) do not support AIGLX, which is the replacement for xgl. xgl will eat you if compiz isn't running. and if your fglrx is broke because of your kernel change (like it was), then compiz can't run, therefore xgl is basically computer aids
[05:16] <jimmygoon> haha xgl = aids indeed
[05:16] <bardyr> :D
[05:16] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: luckily, Hardy's default fglrx in the repos is the newest 8-3, which fully supports AIGLX with your card, you should see very improved results.
[05:17] <pwnguin> basically you have an irssi plugin drop notifications to a file, then ssh and monitor that for changes and put a dbus notify on the local host for new entries
[05:17] <peepsalot> jimmygoon, no, vlc for cli would be ssh
[05:17] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: can you tell me what's in system->admin->hardware drivers?
[05:17] <pwnguin> basically, popups on highlight for screen+irssi
[05:17] <peepsalot> jimmygoon, there isn't really a good analogy for screen like that. i guess it's kinda like workspaces for cli
[05:17] <patifa> Anyone know why hardy would be failing to grab the Translation-en_US?
[05:17] <patifa> It seems to think I'm english UK, for whatever silly reason.
[05:17] <jimmygoon> hm, I suppose I will remain confused, haah
[05:18] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, thats very interesting.  I actually should've been able to put that together myself. I read about the changes to xgl and noticed compiz issues.... Thank you so much for your help thus far!
[05:18] <pwnguin> jimmygoon: screen doesn't know much about the network like vnc does
[05:18] <peepsalot> oops, i mean vnc, not vlc
[05:18] <jimmygoon> I think I sort of understand
[05:19] <pwnguin> you can install and run it locally
[05:19] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, the ATI accelerated graphics driver is no longer in use, although I activated it once I upgrade hardy (there was a weird crash though)
[05:19] <Fdisk93> is there a certan time 8.40 will be avalable for dl ?
[05:19] <quentusrex> is the release today?
[05:19] <quentusrex> if so what time?
[05:19] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: do you remember anything about the crash? (don't check that box yet)
[05:20] <peepsalot> 8.40 will be released 36 months from today
[05:20] <jimmygoon> :O
[05:20] <quentusrex> how do I get an xterm window to stay open?
[05:20] <quentusrex> can I pipe a wait command?
[05:20] <jimmygoon> don't type 'exit' :)
[05:20] <icanhas> quentusrex: why _isn't_ it staying open, is the question? :P
[05:21] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, yes I do.  The driver downloaded, but the installing screen never started.  The entire screen froze, and I left it alone for awhile, but when I came back it was still frozen, so I turned off the computer.
[05:21] <quentusrex> I've created a launcher to cat a log file
[05:21] <odious> 8.04 on the other hand who knows!
[05:21] <quentusrex> but once it's cat'd it the window closes....
[05:21] <Fdisk93> i ment 8.04
[05:21] <odious> anyone know?
[05:21] <JPSman> how can I find out what RaLink driver ubuntu used when packaging hardy?
[05:21] <JPSman> version number
[05:21] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: very interesting, we're going to first remove whatever's left of the old fglrx drivers and try to install with the RDM/jockey/hardware drivers manager again, if that doesn't work we'll have to install from source (which isn't so bad either)
[05:22] <quentusrex> ???
[05:22] <DanaG> modinfo rt2500pci:
[05:22] <DanaG> description:    Ralink RT2500 PCI & PCMCIA Wireless LAN driver.
[05:22] <DanaG> version:        2.1.4
[05:22] <jimmygoon> the release is April 24 so if it is the 24th in your GMT then yes, "today" is accurate. who knows when... whenever devs are done + launchpad finishes isos
[05:22] <DanaG> Any other module?
[05:22] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, okay.
[05:23] <JPSman> DanaG that doesn't make sense.  RaLinks website for linux only goes up to 1.4.6
[05:23] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: sudo apt-get remove --purge xorg-driver-fglrx fglrx-driver
[05:25] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, done
[05:25] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: ok, now go back into hardware manager, check the box, and restart when it prompts you
[05:25] <_Rambaldi_> i am looking for software to remap my keys, any suggestion?
[05:26] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, I'm posting what we did onto the ubuntu forums so others might get some help from it.  What was the first thing we removed?
[05:27] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: this is a common issue, but it's user caused, technically it's not a bug or anything like it. if you installed NOT using the RDM in Gutsy, fglrx is going to break on first upgrade to Hardy. Just how it is. Anyone can come in here or #compiz-fusion and get help on this :)
[05:29] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, thank you so much for your help! Its support like this which makes me stick with Ubuntu even when I'm frustrated. Thanks! I'm going to restart now.
[05:29] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: don't thank me till compiz works :)
[05:32] <whitt>  can someone help me with an audio issue?  My music pauses whenever I switch users
[05:32] <JPSman> DanaG: where on god's green earth can I get the 2.1.4 driver for rt2500pci??????
[05:33] <DanaG> Maybe it's not a real version.
[05:33] <JPSman> is that _the_newest_ driver?
[05:33] <newuser777> Has the NTFS support been upgraded in the Hardy release? I often run into the problem where I've copied a file from ubuntu to my windows partition and the file is copied twice with the same filename but one is lower case and the other is uppcase. This really screws with windows and makes data backups difficult. Ubuntu also copies illegal characters such as ? which locks the file and causes a huge mess.
[05:33] <JPSman> ?
[05:33] <DanaG> Sometimes module versions are screwy like that.
[05:33] <JPSman> I just grabbed the hardy ac iso yesturday
[05:34] <JPSman> where did you get that modinfo's driver?  what are you using?
[05:34]  * patifa twiddles his thumbs waiting for major release.
[05:34] <DanaG> It's the packaged one, I think.
[05:34] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, as near as I can tell everything is running smoothly now.
[05:34]  * LibertyShadow watches southpark waiting for major release
[05:34] <DanaG> I just typed modinfo rt2500pci
[05:35]  * JPSman steals DanaG's rt2500pci.ko while he wasn't looking   -   he wasn't using it anyway
[05:35] <JPSman> :OD
[05:36] <DanaG> linux-backports-modules-2.6.24-16-generic: /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/updates/wireless/rt2x00/rt2x00/rt2500pci.ko
[05:36] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: pastebin output of fglrxinfo please
[05:36] <DanaG> Try that.
[05:36] <DanaG> package.
[05:36] <gramm> Hardy ubiquity is stalling after migrating docs and settings
[05:37] <AdrianStrays> !pastebin
[05:37] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[05:37] <patifa> newuser777 I'd say ntfs support has gotten signifigantly better
[05:37] <JPSman> I'd love to but I dont have internet on the computer i need it on   >:O*
[05:37] <patifa> I find it to be a lot more stable now than it used to be
[05:37] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64188/
[05:37] <grhluna> yea
[05:37] <DanaG> You can download the deb and install it with gdebi
[05:37] <grhluna> looks like more stable
[05:38] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, actually a new/old thing emerged again just now.
[05:38] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: ?
[05:38] <grhluna> im still testing it
[05:38] <grhluna> i have to go easy with the graphics
[05:38] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, occasionally when changing pages, typing in information, or do anything, they horizontal lines appear sporadatically and momentarily throught the screen.
[05:39] <JPSman> and gdebi is the program that opens with a .deb file?
[05:39] <grhluna> i get those when i shut it down
[05:39] <grhluna> i think its the new nvidia driver
[05:39] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: glxinfo | grep direct
[05:39] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, like this http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v322/ThePaleWhiteRose/Screenshot-1.png
[05:39] <gramm> Hardy ubiquity is stalling after migrating docs and settings, help?
[05:40] <jimmygoon> wait, in the screenshot too, ugh
[05:40] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, direct rendering: Yes
[05:40] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: ps -e | grep compiz
[05:41] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64189/
[05:42] <newuser777> patifa: Thanks for the response. I hope it has. I'm not complaining, for what Ubuntu offers it's well worth the occasional headache caused by a real error or one I created and am not versed enough to realize it's my fault.
[05:42] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: well compiz is running :) you may want to install ccsm if you haven't already. #compiz-fusion for issues with those horizontal lines, since they seem to be a compiz issue i'm unaware of
[05:43] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, thank you for all your help....again.  :D
[05:43] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: it's ok, i'm only alowed to help when no one smart is around. i'm pretty much useless ;)
[05:44] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, if you're useless then I have no idea what I am...lol...negative usefulness.  Sucking the usefulness right of people.
[05:45] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: well apparently i give an awful lot of bad advice ;)
[05:46] <AdrianStrays> Well if you ever need a character witness, you've got me.
[05:47] <JPSman> what?  why dont I have that??
[05:50] <Arenlor> Hello all, how goes it?
[05:50] <JPSman> DanaG: so newest driver version doesn't necessarily mean the best?
[05:51] <DanaG> Beats me.
[05:51] <DanaG> I haven't used ralink ... at least in Hardy.
[05:51] <Arenlor> JPSman, no not necessarily, usually though
[05:52] <latitu> how much time is left til the hardy release?
[05:52] <jgoo> sudo apt-get install mysql-server << best way to install mysql?
[05:52] <Arenlor> Every time someone asks that question it gets put back an hour latitu
[05:53] <latitu> Arenlor :)
[05:53] <jgoo> which question?
[05:53] <jgoo> the mysql one? ^^
[05:53] <Arenlor> no, he had asked how much time was left until release
[05:54] <Arenlor> jgoo you'll also want the client I believe, hold on, am running an update after it's done I'll look at synaptic
[05:55] <DanaG> "Intrepid" makes me think of cars... but I haven't a clue why.
[05:55] <jgoo> I did it and it lists mysql-client-5.0 as a package that is downloading
[05:55] <bullgard4> How can I add a switch to gnome-search-tool so that it will find hidden files and backups also? ('man gnome-search-tool' did not enlighten me.)
[05:55] <jgoo> Dodge Intrepid?
[05:56] <dholbach> good morning
[05:56] <Arenlor> morning dholbach
[05:56] <ripps> What is ubuntu going to do after they run out of letters in the alphabet
[05:56] <tawt> morning
[05:57] <tawt> lol  they started with warty warthog
[05:57] <dholbach> hi Arenlor
[05:57] <DanaG> jgoo: that may be it.
[05:57] <DanaG> I couldn't think of what car or truck it was.
[05:57] <tawt> ripps, check out wikipedia and search for ubuntu
[05:57] <Arenlor> bullgard4 'gnome-search-tool --hidden'
[05:58] <Arenlor> tawt that is still a valid question, no matter the order they can still only have 26 different english letters
[05:58] <cwillu> '''No. we don't know exactly the time when 8.04 will be released.'''
[05:59] <bullgard4> Arenlor: Yes indeed. I must have been too sleepy last night. --  Thank you very much for your help.
[05:59] <tawt> arenlor, get a new alphabet
[05:59] <Arenlor> bullgard4 also try 'gnome-search-tool --help' for a full list
[05:59] <tawt> lol
[05:59] <Arenlor> ooh an Ubuntu alphabet
[05:59] <cwillu> ripps, the first release was warty
[05:59] <tawt> i was thinking greek or arabic, but sure
[05:59] <DanaG> hoary hedgehog already used 'g'
[05:59] <DanaG> h'h'
[05:59]  * cwillu realizes he missed the sweet spot by 30 seconds, and sulks
[05:59] <DanaG> argh, can't type.
[06:00] <DanaG> hoary hedgehog already used 'h'
[06:00] <DanaG> There, fixed it.
[06:00] <Arenlor> hmm point to DanaG
[06:00] <wastrel> hoary
[06:01] <Arenlor> so do we have a bot commad for answering "When is it going to be out?" yet?
[06:01] <wastrel> !hardy
[06:01] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Support in #ubuntu+1 - Come join the #ubuntu-release-party now!
[06:01] <cwillu> '''No. we don't know exactly the time when 8.04 will be released.'''
[06:01] <wastrel> hrm.
[06:01] <cwillu> ubotu arewethereyet is No. we don't know exactly the time when 8.04 will be released.
[06:01] <cwillu> ubotu?
[06:02] <Arenlor> did someone give our bot cookies?
[06:02] <cwillu> !botsnack
[06:02] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[06:02] <icanhas> !cookies
[06:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cookies - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:03] <jbroome> haha
[06:03] <tawt> !food
[06:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about food - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:03] <jbroome> !botabuse
[06:03] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids.
[06:03] <cwillu> Be Kind.  Don't Abuse the Bot
[06:04] <DanaG> Join #ubuntu-bots?\
[06:04] <DanaG> Can't send to channel.
[06:04] <DanaG> That part of the factoid is not helpful.
[06:04] <Arenlor> moderation is on
[06:05] <DanaG> aah.
[06:05] <DanaG> I have a self-imposed rule: if I can't find something by 2 tries, I give up.
[06:06] <jgoo> !intrepid
[06:06] <ubotu> Intrepid Ibex is the code name for Ubuntu 8.10, due October 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex
[06:06] <tawt> !isitout
[06:06] <ubotu> isitout is The answer is always that it will release when the release manager says so, which is generally down to how exact order of events works out on the day and is hard for anyone (including the release manager) to put an exact time on in advance.  However, rest assured that it will be out before the clock hits 23:59:59 on Baker and Howland Islands.  Until then, please stop asking.
[06:06] <jgoo> the .04 and .10 version naming... with the major versions as days, is that coincidence or design?
[06:07] <DanaG> Years and moths, actually.
[06:07] <jgoo> so the next is 9.04, then 9.10, then 10.04, 10.10 etc ?
[06:07] <DanaG> Er, months.
[06:07] <jgoo> aaah i see yes
[06:07] <Arenlor> months not days and yes
[06:07] <jgoo> me stupid
[06:07] <icanhas> 8.10, actually.
[06:07] <DanaG> Though moths are nice, too.
[06:07] <DanaG> Not.
[06:07] <Jeeves_> Are we there yet? :P
[06:07] <tawt> that makes sense
[06:07] <DanaG> Sorry, I just haaad to say that.
[06:07] <jgoo> icanhas: I meant after 8.10
[06:08] <Bryan> >_> I'm having trouble with my broadcom chip. The connection keeps dropping out.
[06:08] <jgoo> So what new is planned for intrepid?
[06:08] <Arenlor> every six months to coincide with GNOME
[06:08] <DanaG> Dodge Intrepid?
[06:08] <jgoo> I thought gnome was 6 months to coincide with ubuntu?
[06:08] <m11> :)
[06:08] <icanhas> jgoo: generally speaking, after ibex, the next release will be 1 month after the next gnome release
[06:08] <jgoo> =) yeah - but I heard they will be more 'adventurous' with the styling.
[06:09] <DanaG> I like my Nodoka engine theme.
[06:09] <jgoo> I hope we will get multitouch support in gnome
[06:09] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot-orange-nodoka.png
[06:09] <tawt> after hardy is released, will this channel merge with #ubuntu
[06:09] <m11> i have question about styling, how can i retrive that nice orange bar that was on main menus in alpha version ?
[06:09] <DanaG> For a while, yes.
[06:09] <jgoo> multitouch + compiz-fusion + nsfw == profit!
[06:09] <jbroome> no. it'll be ibex stuff
[06:09] <DanaG> nsfw?  No thanks.
[06:09] <Arenlor> Bryan, welcome to hell, have you tried ndiswrapper with it?
[06:10] <DanaG> I now have the iGoogle teahouse thingy as my wallpaper.... complete with changing-over-time.
[06:10] <jgoo> ok, but... what is planned? just improvements... I should google multitouch gnome I think...
[06:10] <DanaG> Fades over hours.
[06:10] <jgoo> or would this have to be lower in the os layer?
[06:10] <juice__> i have a question about emerald themer. can  i not use it anymore, did the 8.04 update render it useless? how now do i go about installing themes?
[06:10] <jbroome> !ibex | jgoo
[06:10] <ubotu> jgoo: Intrepid Ibex is the code name for Ubuntu 8.10, due October 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex
[06:10] <JPSman> can I connect to the net through an ethernet?
[06:10] <DanaG> That Nodoka engine looks pretty nice, without being drastically different.
[06:11] <Arenlor> no tawt, what happens is it gets closed to new people and we just stay in as long as we can/want
[06:11] <JPSman> er, I mean, an ethernet connected to another computer thats using wireless to connect?
[06:11] <DanaG> Oh, bridging?  Maybe.
[06:11] <tawt> arenlor, lol
[06:11] <ripps> So, the 9.04 release will have J - J nameing scheme, right?
[06:11] <tawt> arenlor, seriously?
[06:12] <tawt> yep ripps
[06:12] <Arenlor> yes I'm serious
[06:12] <kahrytan> jgoo-> And it will be v8.10
[06:12] <jgoo> has anyone here made an ftir multitouch display? I would love to run Ubuntu on one... if I was sure of the software I'd go ahead and hack on up before summer
[06:12] <kahrytan> jgoo->  You figure out the meaning of the versions?
[06:12] <Lunks> Is it out?
[06:12] <tawt> lol  i'm never leaving.  jk.  i'll want to boot hardy
[06:12] <bullgard4> DanaG: In www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot-orange-nodoka.png there is a little penguin to be seen in the upper panel What does this applet stand for?
[06:13] <jgoo> kahrytan: yeah, I figured it out
[06:13] <DanaG> that's 'gnubiff'
[06:13] <Arenlor> they all get rerouted to #ubuntu when they try to join and all of us that were in here saying we don't know when it'll be released and helping people with last minute bugs relax in silence
[06:13] <DanaG> Checks mail.
[06:13] <ripps> Jolly Jay?
[06:13] <kahrytan> jgoo->  good
[06:13] <jgoo> aaah. what is the one with lines like looks like asystem monitor?
[06:13] <juice__> i have a question about emerald themer. can  i not use it anymore, did the 8.04 update render it useless? how now do i go about installing themes?
[06:13] <DanaG> That's hardware-monitor.
[06:13] <tawt> ripps, it'll be an african animal
[06:13] <jgoo> wow, applet overload... i can has annotation?
[06:13] <Arenlor> Rebooting, back in a bit
[06:14] <DanaG> Yeah, my panel is a bit.... busy.
[06:14] <tawt> jolly jaguar?
[06:14] <juice__> haha
[06:14] <tawt> jumpy jaguar
[06:14] <juice__> leahprosy lion
[06:14] <tawt> jittery
[06:14] <tawt> hehe
[06:15] <icanhas> jumping jalopy
[06:15] <tawt> what's a jalopy?
[06:15] <juice__> can someone help me with themes
[06:15] <juice__> !theme
[06:15] <ripps> Jolly Jackal
[06:15] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[06:15] <jgoo> It will be Jackal
[06:16] <jgoo> ripps: you beat me to it
[06:16] <jgoo> Jolly Jackal gets my vote
[06:16] <juice__> mine too
[06:16] <tawt> sounds good
[06:16] <ripps> where do we submit these suggestions?
[06:16] <DanaG> jackalope?
[06:16] <jgoo> ubuntu+3
[06:16] <juice__> try launchpad
[06:16] <DanaG> jackrabbit
[06:17] <bullgard4> Where am I supposed to store GNOME source code files in Ubuntu Hardy?
[06:17] <tawt> ripps, just keep saying it until everyone believes that it will be jolly jackal.  then it will be
[06:18] <ripps> Quick! To all the channels!
[06:18] <juice__> ha
[06:18] <juice__> im in
[06:18] <jgoo> Jiggly Jackal... Juicy, Jovial, Jocular, Jubilant, Jaunty... Should be as easy for people to spell phonetically as possible, and not mean 'old man who kills goats' in Mandarin.
[06:19] <topyli> bullgard4: wherever you feel like
[06:19] <icanhas> don't most words mean that in madarin?
[06:19] <jgoo> That or 'Bit the wax tadpole'.
[06:19] <jgoo> *e
[06:20] <m11> i have question about styling, how can i retrive that nice orange bar/stripe that was on main menus in alpha version ?
[06:20] <jgoo> Jolly Jackal is so full of win. I am looking forward to contributing to the Ibex wallpaper... they are awesome... and has bigger horns than GNU ;p
[06:20] <SuperRoach> its still not here yet!
[06:21] <jgoo> the name... that is.
[06:22] <jgoo> Wasn't there a story about a woman who adopted a jackal? I wonder how she got on
[06:23] <tawt> ...
[06:24] <tawt> lol
[06:25] <jgoo> baby jackals are cute. some are stripey, others two tone... but I think jackal + firefox has some opp for wallpaper.
[06:25] <tawt> so...
[06:25] <tawt> !isitout
[06:25] <ubotu> isitout is The answer is always that it will release when the release manager says so, which is generally down to how exact order of events works out on the day and is hard for anyone (including the release manager) to put an exact time on in advance.  However, rest assured that it will be out before the clock hits 23:59:59 on Baker and Howland Islands.  Until then, please stop asking.
[06:25] <tawt> i like jaguars a little better than jackals
[06:25] <jgoo> I am going to the international date line so I can download it first.
[06:26] <tawt> lol
[06:26] <ripps> Jaguar was already used by Mac
[06:26] <tawt> ahhh...  we can't be too much like them
[06:27] <tawt> good thinking
[06:27] <jgoo> Jade Jaguar? mystical. oh yeah. ok, Jolly Jackal is unique enough to be web searchable too
[06:27] <ethana2> our jaguar can eat theirs
[06:27] <ethana2> so can our leapord
[06:27] <jgoo>  Jolly Jackal Bar & Grill,
[06:27] <jgoo> BUGGER.
[06:27] <DanaG> jumping jahossophet (or however the heck you spell that)
[06:28] <ripps> Lush Lemor?
[06:28] <tawt> lol danag
[06:28] <tawt> laughing lemor?
[06:28] <ripps> I like Laughing Lemur...
[06:28] <DanaG> Oh, how I wish Nautilus could do argb!
[06:28] <tawt> too much effort typing laughing though...
[06:28] <tawt> lol
[06:28] <DanaG> Then I could have semitransparent wallpaper!
[06:29] <pawan> hi
[06:29] <pawan> when is the new version coming lout
[06:29] <tawt> hi pawan
[06:29] <pawan> out
[06:29] <tawt> !isitout
[06:29] <ubotu> isitout is The answer is always that it will release when the release manager says so, which is generally down to how exact order of events works out on the day and is hard for anyone (including the release manager) to put an exact time on in advance.  However, rest assured that it will be out before the clock hits 23:59:59 on Baker and Howland Islands.  Until then, please stop asking.
[06:29] <DanaG> !when
[06:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about when - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:29] <ripps> Loopy Lemur?
[06:29] <tawt> we need to definitely keep the Lemur part
[06:29] <DanaG> ﻿I'm loopy! ﻿I'm loopy! ﻿I'm loopy! ﻿I'm loopy! (some random cartoon character does that.... I don't remember who)
[06:30] <tawt> lumpy lemur
[06:30] <tawt> eww
[06:30] <ripps> lol
[06:30] <Flannel> Loopy Lemur?  Isn't that the author of all those westerns?
[06:30] <DanaG> screwy squirrel?
[06:30] <tawt> lazy lemur
[06:31] <tawt> lazy is easy, and sounds like a good code name
[06:31] <JPSman> So my laptop has killer internet access...can i use ITS net access through an ethernet to my desktop?
[06:31] <ripps> lazy might work, but does send the right message...
[06:31] <JPSman> treat the laptop as a bridge?
[06:31] <tawt> does warty?
[06:32] <ripps> Best to ignore the names of the first two, as they didn't follow the name scheme anyway
[06:32] <tawt> yeah
[06:32] <JPSman> yeah whats the name of the next release?
[06:32] <tawt> something ibex
[06:32] <ripps> !intrepid | JPSman
[06:32] <ubotu> JPSman: Intrepid Ibex is the code name for Ubuntu 8.10, due October 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex
[06:33] <JPSman> Intrepid - i'll be using an SUV operating system :OP
[06:34] <ripps> Yeah, your fuel budget will go through the roof
[06:34] <Ununbium> that name is definatly too awkward to say all the time
[06:34]  * Ununbium thinks the common name will be "ibex"
[06:34] <Ununbium> rather than intrepid
[06:34] <JPSman> Pardy Hardy
[06:34] <DanaG> Yeah.  Bad name choice.
[06:34] <ripps> Ibee
[06:34] <tawt> intrepid is harder to type out
[06:34] <icanhas> ibex _looks_ sexy on paper, ubuntu artists must LOVE it
[06:35] <DanaG> Innovative?  Intrepid?  Inspiring?  Inspired?
[06:35] <JPSman> Intimidating?
[06:35] <tawt> lol  inspired would take away all the search engines from the religious-types
[06:36] <JPSman> Icey?
[06:36] <DanaG> Brrr...
[06:36] <tawt> i like it.  cool crisp, and clear
[06:37] <jgoo> What was the creature from ice age? the acorn hunting one?
[06:37] <DanaG> Scrat.
[06:37] <jgoo> I think if they are making ice age three, I wouldn't mind them cobranding it in, especially if they use linux to make ice age (what do they use? was it 100% maya?)
[06:37] <JPSman> uh, the funniest damn squirl ever
[06:37] <jgoo> aaah was a squirrel, yeah.. cool :)
[06:38] <jgoo> did they already have ice age 3?
[06:38] <DanaG> Speaking of s--at:  bus line: south county area transit: scat.
[06:38] <DanaG> Better: "South Pine Lake Area Transit": splat.  (Entirely fictional.)
[06:38] <DanaG> s/splat/SPLAT/
[06:38] <jgoo> I look forward to the puns in GTA IV
[06:38] <DanaG> Wed Apr 23 22:38:57 PDT 2008
[06:39] <tawt> lol.  i love how the support channel has turned into a semi-offtopic channel
[06:39] <jgoo> !isitout
[06:39] <ubotu> isitout is The answer is always that it will release when the release manager says so, which is generally down to how exact order of events works out on the day and is hard for anyone (including the release manager) to put an exact time on in advance.  However, rest assured that it will be out before the clock hits 23:59:59 on Baker and Howland Islands.  Until then, please stop asking.
[06:39] <DanaG> Better tham asking that.
[06:39] <DanaG> than.
[06:39] <jgoo> it is onlye a semi-support channel to begin with
[06:39] <subpar> so ... is it out? ;)
[06:39] <tawt> true, it was hard to get help
[06:40] <jgoo> subpar, if you set your timezone to GMT+28, then you can download it now!
[06:40] <jgoo> I tried it and it worked!
[06:40] <JPSman> where is Baker and Howland island?
[06:40] <subpar> haha I'm running the beta anyways
[06:40] <jgoo> subpar has come from the future!
[06:40] <subpar> :D
[06:40]  * jgoo too
[06:40] <tawt> lol
[06:41]  * tawt used to be, until he screwed it up
[06:41] <jgoo> ahahaah oh sorry man, I almost coffeefied my keyboard though
[06:41] <JPSman> I need support, I just dont know how to go about doing it.  Can I extract a windows wireless driver (for a rt2500pci) from an EXE?  because thats what the website offers for an update
[06:42] <JPSman> the RALINK website
[06:43] <Arenlor> try cabextract JPSman while I look into it
[06:43] <jgoo> hrm, real support question: I installed msfonts, and after I did a message came up saying I needed to do something else to make them usable... but I didn't read it and ignored it (it said for printing I didn't need to do this)
[06:43] <jgoo> and my fonts in jedit right now look all... messed up
[06:44] <letterman> I just did a frehs install of kubuntu RC
[06:44] <Arenlor> jgoo what is the package name?
[06:44] <jgoo> ittei.e..te.t or something... it had i's and t's in it.
[06:44] <Arenlor> cool welcome letterman
[06:44] <jgoo> actually, my fonts are good except monospaced.
[06:44] <DanaG> msttcorefonts?
[06:44] <letterman> and I'm stuck on this bug: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread?t=715247
[06:45] <jgoo> can you recommend a good terminal font that is utf8able?
[06:45] <JPSman> cabextract on an exe?
[06:45] <Arenlor> yes JPSman
[06:45] <jgoo> yes, that one, but after installing it, it says install... iett...something
[06:45] <Arenlor> or try unzip
[06:45] <letterman> I've got an nvidia 7050 graphics, and I tried downloading the most recent driver from their website. Here's the error log: http://www.pastebin.org/31661
[06:45] <Bryan_> in linux where is the file that allows you to stop services before suspend?
[06:46] <Arenlor> jgoo 'sudo apt-get remove --purge msttcorefonts' and then install them again
[06:46] <JPSman> nogo on archive manager
[06:46] <DanaG> You may try wine'ing "uniextract'
[06:46] <DanaG> If all else fails.
[06:47] <letterman> can someone help?
[06:48] <Arenlor> letterman hold on a second
[06:48] <Bryan_> letterman, nvidia problem?
[06:48] <jgoo> aaaaah I remember... the core fonts... it is the installer... you have to run something afterwards...
[06:48] <letterman> yeah'
[06:49] <letterman> on Kubuntu RC 64bit
[06:49]  * ripps suggests EnvyNG for installing ATI and Nvidia drivers
[06:49] <Bryan_> did you try the beta O_o?
[06:49] <Arenlor> try 'sudo apt-get install libc6-dev' and see if it works after that
[06:49] <letterman> http://www.pastebin.org/31661
[06:50] <letterman> I downloaded file:///home/peabody/Desktop/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-169.12-pkg2.run
[06:50] <Arenlor> letterman try what I suggested
[06:50] <Bryan_> letterman, thats not the beta. thats the 'stable' release.
[06:50] <jgoo> one thing I will say - wifi config is easier in live session than when installed... in live session it isn't in roaming mode... or if it is, it finds the networks and just works... in installed mode... I needed always to remove roaming to get the networks to show up :/
[06:50] <m11> !envy
[06:50] <ubotu> envy is an unsupported tool to install newer versions of binary video drivers than provided by the official repositories. Use at your own risk, and remember that the latest version is not necessarily the "best". See « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[06:50] <Bryan_> !suspend
[06:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about suspend - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:50] <Bryan_> damn
[06:51] <ripps> !envyng
[06:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about envyng - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:51] <Arenlor> Bryan having an issue?
[06:51] <ripps> regardlesss of whether EnvyNG is officially supported, it just seems to work. letterman: http://www.albertomilone.com/envyngfaq.html#A
[06:52] <letterman> Bryan_: where do I find the beta drivers, the website says that is the latest
[06:52] <jgoo> "Msttcorefonts uses the DEbian FOnt MAnager (defoma). If you wish to use the fonts provided by this package under the X Window System, you must configure it to use defoma fonts."
[06:52] <jgoo> "The easiest way to do so is to use the x-ttcidfont-conf package"
[06:52] <DanaG> Current "Envy" driver is the same as the packaged one.
[06:52] <Bryan_> Arenlor, yeah. I had set up the network daemon to be stopped before suspend.
[06:52] <jgoo> o_0 never had that come up...
[06:52] <Bryan_> And i don't need it to do that anymore, but I forgot what file I edit to remove that issue
[06:53] <Bryan_> letterman, what card again?
[06:53] <jgoo> Arenlor: so that is the package it says I need: The easiest way to do so is to use the x-ttcidfont-conf package
[06:53] <Arenlor> letterman ignore what Bryan had said and run 'sudo apt-get install libc6-dev' then run what you tried again
[06:53] <IcemanV9> sudo: unable to resolve host ???  (looking thru bugs report .... )
[06:53] <juice__> !kiba
[06:53] <Arenlor> jgoo install that and see how it works
[06:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kiba - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:54] <Arenlor> IcemanV9 more info please, it could just be a DNS issue
[06:54] <letterman> Should I get a gtk version if I'm running kubuntu?
[06:54] <juice__> !dock
[06:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dock - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:54] <juice__> !avant
[06:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about avant - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:54] <DanaG> !google
[06:54] <ubotu> google is the helpers' friend; many newer users dont have the google-fu yet; For GNU/Linux:  http://google.com/linux
[06:55] <Arenlor> !botabuse
[06:55] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids.
[06:56] <IcemanV9> Arenlor: i just upgraded 7.10 to 8.04 and everything went well. it asked me to reboot. then, i cannot sudo at all.
[06:56] <juice__> thanks.
[06:56] <jgoo> Arenlor: I have defoma installed - so, the core fonts synaptic part finished, do I need to run an install? (I saw it downloading the files and doing something)
[06:56] <Gnine> Bug 195308
[06:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195308 in linux-meta "unable to resolve host (dup-of: 32906)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195308
[06:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 32906 in sudo "sudo shouldn’t ABSOLUTELY NEED to look up the host it’s running on" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32906
[06:57] <jgoo> OK, I see I have verdana - that must mean it worked.
[06:57] <JPSman> so on this page here http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Downloads   It talks about drivers havning to be pulled with a git content tracker....what the devil this?
[06:57] <ripps> letterman: get the qt version
[06:58] <jgoo> aaah bitstream vera sans mono how I love thee, thanks Arenlor
[06:58] <letterman> EnvyNG couldn't carry out the task you chose because of the following error: warnings.warn("apt API not stable yet", FutureWarning)
[06:58] <letterman> lame
[06:58] <IcemanV9> ah ha! thanks Gnine. that's it. now, i can sudo.
[06:59] <ripps> Whaa?
[06:59] <letterman> Bryan_: I'm running the gefore 7050
[06:59] <letterman> I've installed libc, now I'm scrollingfor a website for the beta drivers
[07:00] <Bryan_> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_173.08.html
[07:00] <Bryan_> Geforce, right?
[07:00] <letterman> yeah
[07:00] <Bryan_> mmk
[07:00] <Bryan_> thats the newest 'beta' driver.
[07:00] <letterman> smd64
[07:00] <letterman> amd64
[07:01] <Arenlor> letterman you installed 'libc6-dev' right, and don't use the beta drivers just use the ones the company released as the most stable version, it's smartest
[07:01] <Bryan_> >_> not always.
[07:01] <Bryan_> The 'stable' ones where buggy as hell for me. The beta's seem to be best. But thats for me.
[07:01] <Arenlor> true sometimes you want older ones
[07:01] <Arenlor> beta = could kill your system
[07:02] <letterman> well, my system is dead on arrival
[07:02] <letterman> but I'll try the stable first
[07:02] <Bryan_> which is why I'm monitoring the heat my GPU is putting out Arenlor
[07:02] <letterman> upgrade is much easier than downgrade normally
[07:02] <letterman> brb
[07:02] <Bryan_> Arenlor, anything about my question?
[07:03] <Arenlor> I think I missed it somewhere
[07:03]  * tawt wants the System76 desktop with 8gb RAM and 1TB hard drive
[07:03] <Bryan_> ah
[07:03] <Bryan_> Arenlor, yeah. I had set up the network daemon to be stopped before suspend. And i don't need it to do that anymore, but I forgot what file I edit to remove that issue
[07:04] <Bryan_> simple enough question >_> but tough when you don't know what to look for.
[07:04] <JPSman> What is a GIT content tracker and what does it do?
[07:05] <letterman> ok, that fixed things
[07:05] <letterman> thanks for the help
[07:05] <letterman> I can now see an entire screen
[07:05] <letterman> and they DEFINATELY need to get those drivers into the final build
[07:05] <Bryan_> which ones?
[07:05] <letterman> well
[07:05] <letterman> it says Ubuntu is in restricted mode or something
[07:05] <letterman> that my drivers are not supported or some shit
[07:06] <ripps> That's normal when you use proprietary drivers
[07:06] <vega--> yes, because they are proprietary "shit"
[07:06] <letterman> ok
[07:06] <letterman> well I'm gonna let all these updates apply and have some breakfast finally
[07:06] <letterman> thanks again
[07:07] <poni> Is Hardy to be released this weekend? :)
[07:07] <vega--> !isitout
[07:07] <ubotu> isitout is The answer is always that it will release when the release manager says so, which is generally down to how exact order of events works out on the day and is hard for anyone (including the release manager) to put an exact time on in advance.  However, rest assured that it will be out before the clock hits 23:59:59 on Baker and Howland Islands.  Until then, please stop asking.
[07:07] <poni> :x
[07:07] <JPSman> where can i learn what the various folder names mean in my root?
[07:07] <poni> was just wondering, saw the countdown disappeared on the ubuntu website :-)
[07:08] <jbroome> JPSman: any linux howto on the web
[07:09] <damo22> #ubuntu-release-party
[07:10] <isplicer> hey guys
[07:10] <damo22> when is hardy released?
[07:10] <RAOF> Heh.
[07:10] <damo22> is it soon?
[07:10] <RAOF> !isitout
[07:10] <ubotu> isitout is The answer is always that it will release when the release manager says so, which is generally down to how exact order of events works out on the day and is hard for anyone (including the release manager) to put an exact time on in advance.  However, rest assured that it will be out before the clock hits 23:59:59 on Baker and Howland Islands.  Until then, please stop asking.
[07:11] <RAOF> damo22: Oh, you don't know the _date_?  Today :)
[07:11] <negge^> how come there's nothing to upgrade when I run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade on my ubuntu 7.10 server machine?
[07:11] <NotSure> Hi
[07:11] <cdm10> negge^: just dist-upgrading won't do anything
[07:11] <RAOF> negge^: Because (1) not released yet, and (2) there are no _Gutsy_ updates to install.
[07:11] <cdm10> you need to change your sources
[07:11] <jbroome> negge^: 'cause that's not how you upgrade to a new distro
[07:11] <cdm10> and anyway, you shouldn't be doing it that way
[07:11] <jbroome> !upgrade | negge^
[07:11] <ubotu> negge^: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[07:11] <RAOF> cdm10: _Please_ don't recommend that :)
[07:12] <negge^> jbroome: damn, then how do I do it?:D
[07:12] <jbroome> !upgrade | negge^
[07:12] <negge^> hehe thanks
[07:12] <damo22> raof: i knew it was today, just wondering when
[07:12] <cdm10> RAOF: sorry, I didn't mean to have recommended it :-/
[07:12] <RAOF> negge^: Basically, 'do-release-upgrade' is what you want :)
[07:12] <RAOF> But those pages have more detail.
[07:12] <negge^> hehe I always thought dist-upgrade did it, seems like I was way out biking...
[07:12] <negge^> thanks for the info anyway..
[07:14] <negge^> Isn't the final version supposed to be released today?
[07:14] <RAOF> Yes.
[07:15] <dny> after removing firefox 3, and installing firefox 2 again, it's showing all the addons i had in firefox 3.  i've uninstalled all of them & restarted firefox, but they're still there saying 'This add-on will be uninstalled when firefox is restarted.'
[07:15] <negge^> RAOF: what time?
[07:15] <RAOF> Ahem.
[07:15] <dny> and I get an error when trying to install addons it says I have
[07:15] <RAOF> !isitout
[07:15] <ubotu> isitout is The answer is always that it will release when the release manager says so, which is generally down to how exact order of events works out on the day and is hard for anyone (including the release manager) to put an exact time on in advance.  However, rest assured that it will be out before the clock hits 23:59:59 on Baker and Howland Islands.  Until then, please stop asking.
[07:15] <NotSure> My sound card quit working after installing - "ubuntu-restricted-extras" - Went back and uninstalled and still not detected. Any idea's?
[07:15] <RAOF> Maybe we should have that displayed every minute on rotation :)
[07:15] <negge^> RAOF: sorry for asking stupid question I just didn't know:D
[07:16] <poni> negge^: I did the same thing 5 min ago :D
[07:16] <negge^> hehe:D
[07:16] <negge^> I must have logged in right after you asked
[07:16] <poni> :)
[07:17] <RAOF> negge^: That's OK.  You only learn by asking.
[07:17] <dny> anyone? :/
[07:18] <NotSure> Can someone help fix my sound?
[07:18] <m11> notsure , what is problem ?
[07:18] <negge^> RAOF: yeah
[07:19] <NotSure> mll: My sound card quit working after installing - "ubuntu-restricted-extras" - Went back and uninstalled and still not detected.
[07:19] <negge^> dny: have you tried removing all the addons manually? firefox 3 and 2 installs into different folders so there might be some weirdness because of that
[07:19] <m11> notsure , can u list it with lspci ?
[07:20] <RAOF> NotSure: I'm pretty sure that installing ubuntu-restricted-extras wasn't the problem - this shouldn't touch your sound settings.
[07:20] <Arenlor> Bryan_ you still around?
[07:20] <Bryan_> Arenlor, yep
[07:20] <NotSure> hang on - will check in term win.
[07:20] <RAOF> NotSure: What else changed between working sound and not working sound?
[07:20] <dny> negge^ i'll give it a shot, where are the folders? :x
[07:21] <Arenlor> Bryan_ the only thing I could find is maybe /etc/acpi/sleep.sh
[07:21] <negge^> dny: can't remember exactly, I'm not on my ubuntu box right now so it's hard to check
[07:22] <Bryan_> Arenlor, that would not be it.
[07:22] <NotSure> RAOF: I had installed unbuntu-restricted-extras - used to work before that.
[07:22] <negge^> NotSure: is your soundcard detected at all?
[07:22] <NotSure> This is hardware listed after run of lspci command:   Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
[07:23] <negge^> tried using the ALSA driver?
[07:23] <RAOF> NotSure: Stopped working when?  As soon as you installed it?  After you rebooted?  Etc.
[07:23] <NotSure> RAOF: ummm - after reboot!
[07:23] <NotSure> After install of restricted
[07:23] <negge^> NotSure: you don't have multiple sound cards do you?
[07:24] <NotSure> nope
[07:24] <negge^> okay
[07:24] <RAOF> NotSure: Also, what part of sound isn't working?  What have you tested?
[07:24] <NotSure> it worked great before istall of restricted
[07:24] <NotSure> none
[07:24] <negge^> maybe the package came with some weird drivers or something
[07:24] <RAOF> NotSure: There is nothing in ubuntu-restricted-extras that will have touched your soundcard.  It's an unrelated thingy.
[07:25] <NotSure> tried prefrences/sound and nothing
[07:25] <Arenlor> dny /home/*user*/.mozilla/firefox/*profile*/ delete all the files that start with extensions and empty the extensions directory (do not delete it)
[07:25] <Arenlor> well Bryan_ then I'm not sure maybe that file points to something that could help?
[07:25] <RAOF> NotSure: By preferences/sound, you mean System->Preferences->Sound, and hitting the 'test' button?
[07:25] <DanaG> better than deleting:
[07:25] <NotSure> ok - I did install something else at same time - will check what it was - let you know in aq sec - ok?
[07:25] <DanaG> MOVE things.
[07:26] <DanaG> And don't remove extensions; try the extensions.rdf first.  That's a cache,
[07:26] <DanaG> .
[07:26] <Arenlor> DanaG he wanted to remove all the extensions and start over
[07:27] <DanaG> aah.
[07:27] <DanaG> firefox -ProfileManager
[07:27] <dny_> hm?
[07:27] <DanaG> Or did he want to get rid of extensions but not preferences?
[07:27] <dny_> i'd like to get rid of everything
[07:27] <dny_> cause it's also trying to remove some language packs
[07:27] <DanaG> Oh, if the package manager has issues.... then removing your profile has nothing to do with it.
[07:28] <Arenlor> yeah the language packs don't work with FF3
[07:28]  * DanaG is using Minefield 4.
[07:28] <DanaG> I don't exactly know why, but it's fun to say my browser is a Minefield... and this time not due to Flash.
[07:28] <dny_> :o
[07:29] <dny_> I have no idea where this folder is
[07:29] <DanaG> ô˛ô
[07:29] <DanaG> firefox -ProfileManager
[07:29] <dny_> oh ;_;
[07:29] <omgomgomghardyhe> !isitout
[07:29] <ubotu> isitout is The answer is always that it will release when the release manager says so, which is generally down to how exact order of events works out on the day and is hard for anyone (including the release manager) to put an exact time on in advance.  However, rest assured that it will be out before the clock hits 23:59:59 on Baker and Howland Islands.  Until then, please stop asking.
[07:30] <Arenlor> the firefox profile folder is /home/*user*/.mozilla/firefox/*profile*
[07:31] <NotSure> RAOF: other pkg. I installed right after "restricted" was /  linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-16-386 - Then did restart - after restart sound card went south - went back - uninstalled both restricted & the linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-16-386
[07:31] <NotSure> But no sound
[07:31] <Arenlor> be back in a while guys
[07:32] <NotSure> RAOF: Yes on earlier post of test sound - there was nothing - gave error message
[07:32] <RAOF> NotSure: Ah, right.  So, the problem is likely that you've installed the -386 kernel and are using it, but don't have any of the associated drivers.
[07:32] <RAOF> NotSure: What does 'uname -r' return?
[07:33] <NotSure> RAOF:  just a sec - will check
[07:33] <dny> arenlor: thanks :]
[07:33] <isplicer> guys, what is the ubuntu release party?
[07:33] <isplicer> this this a party?
[07:33] <RAOF> isplicer: No, this is support ;).  Party in #ubuntu-release-party
[07:34] <NotSure> RAOF: 2.6.24-16-386 is what I got from term run
[07:34] <RAOF> NotSure: And I bet that you don't have linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-16-386 installed :)
[07:35] <RAOF> NotSure: So, the solution would be to uninstall the -386 kernel, because you almost certainly don't need to use it, and -generic is better.
[07:35] <savvas> well... my job here is done, i'll go enjoy my release :P see ya on the next alpha4/5 :D
[07:35] <NotSure> RAOF: Will check - hang on
[07:35] <m11> pozdrav savvas
[07:36] <savvas> poz m11 :)
[07:36] <m11> ;)
[07:36] <NotSure> RAOF: Shows I have this installed in synaptics: "linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-12-generic" - Is this what you're referring to?
[07:37] <RAOF> NotSure: No.  I was referring to linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-16-386 :).
[07:37] <jgoo> !isitout
[07:37] <ubotu> isitout is The answer is always that it will release when the release manager says so, which is generally down to how exact order of events works out on the day and is hard for anyone (including the release manager) to put an exact time on in advance.  However, rest assured that it will be out before the clock hits 23:59:59 on Baker and Howland Islands.  Until then, please stop asking.
[07:37] <RAOF> NotSure: So, you almost certainly don't want to be using the -386 kernel.
[07:38] <NotSure> RAOF: Will copy/n/paste in syn. and check.
[07:38] <RAOF> NotSure: I'd install the "linux" package (which will ensure you've got the -generic kernel & the appropriate driver packages), and then uninstall the 'linux-image-2.6.24-16-386' package.
[07:38] <oupa> I'm having trouble sharing a printer attached to Kubuntu 7.10 with another systme running Ubuntu 8.04. It used to 'just work', but  now it doesn't. Any ideas?
[07:39]  * Arenlor blinks this is a LOT calmer than Gutsy's release support
[07:40] <KyleK> hmm
[07:40] <KyleK> crap
[07:40] <KyleK> it didn't just go live did it? noticing help.ubuntu.com is slow to respond ;)
[07:40] <IcemanV9> Arenlor: check out #ubuntu-release-party where the action is. ;-)
[07:40] <NotSure> RAOF: Ya know what - this is kinda of a mute point - Waiting for "Final" and going to do new clean install on 250GB (new HDrive) anyway. I can go a day or so without sound - It won't kill me.
[07:40] <pengo> !isitoutyet
[07:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about isitoutyet - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:41] <Arenlor> !isitout
[07:41] <ubotu> isitout is The answer is always that it will release when the release manager says so, which is generally down to how exact order of events works out on the day and is hard for anyone (including the release manager) to put an exact time on in advance.  However, rest assured that it will be out before the clock hits 23:59:59 on Baker and Howland Islands.  Until then, please stop asking.
[07:41] <NotSure> RAOF: thanks much - appreciate it :)
[07:41] <jgoo> damn, gotta go... never enough hours in the day
[07:44] <KyleK> W: Failed to fetch http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy-updates/universe/source/Sources.gz  302 Found
[07:44] <KyleK> isn't 302 just a redirect?
[07:44] <Arenlor> permament too
[07:45] <KyleK> whys it fail on 302 though?
[07:45] <Arenlor> not sure
[07:45] <Arenlor> http://glucose-fructose.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/ubuntu/dists/hardy-updates/universe/source/Sources.gz
[07:45] <KyleK> ya
[07:45] <Arenlor> that's your link though
[07:46] <Flannel> KyleK: 302 is temporary redirect
[07:46] <KyleK> so why is apt-get failing with that?
[07:47] <bullgard4> How can I download the GNOME source files for Hardy in one process?
[07:47] <bullgard4> How can I download the GNOME source files for Hardy in a single process?
[07:47] <Arenlor> KyleK try using the US servers and maybe it can't redirect
[07:47] <Flannel> KyleK: probably security reasons, although I suppose the gpg should deal with that.  There are RFCs that dictate that a 302 response shouldn't automatically be forwarded by the UA
[07:48] <Arenlor> bullgard4 why do you need the GNOME source files?
[07:48] <KyleK> what do you mean in one process anyways?
[07:49] <KyleK> cute alt+mousewheel on the titlebar fades out a window
[07:49] <bullgard4> Arenlor: To learn more about Ubuntu and in particular GNOME. For example I want to find and read the source code of the quit dialog.
[07:49] <RAOF> And what do you mean by the GNOME source files, while we're at it - there are a lot of GNOME source tarballs; it's not monolithic.
[07:50] <oupa> I would really appreciate some help with sharing a printer:-(
[07:50] <RAOF> bullgard4: Right.  That'd probably be in gnome-panel-applets, or somesuch.
[07:50] <Arenlor> bullgard4 http://www.gnome.org/ that should teach you a little about gnome
[07:50] <Lynoure> bullgard4: apt-src is nice, but you'll need to know what packages you need the source for
[07:51] <DanaG> apt should tell you the 302 destination / target.
[07:52] <bullgard4> RAOF: In Gutsy there was a friendly Ubuntero who told me an Internet address where I could download all Ubuntu Gutsy GNOME source code files in a single process. It was a huge package. But it was manageable.
[07:52] <RAOF> bullgard4: Oh, really?  I didn't know such a thing existed :)
[07:52] <Lynoure> bullgard4: I guess maybe you could apt-src ubuntu-desktop
[07:52] <_Rambaldi_> i am looking for software to remap my keys, any suggestion?
[07:52] <Lynoure> bullgard4: haven't tried it myself
[07:52] <Lynoure> Haven't tried it on any meta package, actually
[07:53] <bullgard4> Lynoure: I know what I want. And I precisely described want I wanted.
[07:53] <RAOF> Lynoure: That'll get the (fairly uninteresting) source to the meta-package.
[07:53] <Arenlor> oupa remember, we're all regular people who are volunteering to help with our knowledge if none of us know the subject none of us will answer
[07:53] <Lynoure> bullgard4: well, we are trying to help you. If existing solutions are not good enough, code a better yourself
[07:54] <bullgard4> Lynoure: You did not say that thid does not exist. At least it exists for Gutsy.
[07:54] <bullgard4> this
[07:54] <oupa> Arenlor: I appreciate that, thanks, just a bit frustrated, I've been trying for a couple of days and can't find an answer
[07:54] <RAOF> bullgard4: Does the same thing as for Gutsy work?
[07:55] <DanaG> xmodmap can remap keys.
[07:55] <DanaG> I just don't remember how to do it.
[07:55] <Lynoure> bullgard4: if you know the command for doing it, telling it would help...
[07:55] <bullgard4> RAOF: Of course not.
[07:55] <aItsNotOut> Swfdec? does that work with youtube?
[07:55] <Lynoure> bullgard4: (in Gutsy, I mean)
[07:55] <RAOF> bullgard4: The code for the logout dialog should be in the gnome-applets package; I don't know about this meta-source package you describe.
[07:55] <aItsNotOut> argh
[07:56] <aItsNotOut> im switching from ca to us mirrors
[07:56] <Arenlor> oupa have you asked in #ubuntu
[07:56] <oupa> Arenlor: yes
[07:57] <helle> !<release>
[07:57] <RAOF> raj1: _This_ is a channel for getting support :)
[07:57] <Lynoure> It's always easier to check why command foobar does not work in Hardy than why something that is rumoured to exist but never defined does not work in Hardy
[07:57] <bullgard4> RAOF:  the gnome-applets package is a limited solution in scope. The day after tomorrow I might need to search for another term in another GNOME source package.
[07:58] <raj1> hoy
[07:58] <raj1> raof u r here too
[07:58] <raj1> :)
[07:58] <RAOF> bullgard4: This is true.  But I don't know of any source package that does what you're after, so I'm helping the best I can.
[07:58] <Lynoure> bullgard4: What was the command for doing that in Gutsy? If I understood right you said there is a command for it in Gutsy
[07:58] <raj1> i cant get fspot working on 64 bit hardy
[07:59] <raj1> thanks
[07:59] <RAOF> raj1: So, I've just fired up f-spot on my amd64 Hardy install.  What happens for you? :)
[07:59] <bullgard4> RAOF: I appreciate that. Thank you very much.
[07:59] <aItsNotOut> oupa: i've had lots of trouble with printers :) one windows box is using IPP and the other is using samba, neither of them accepted the other option
[07:59] <raj1> from terminal i get these words- stacktrace -- segmentation fault
[07:59] <Arenlor> bullgard4 go to synaptic and search for name only and search for 'gnome'
[08:00] <aItsNotOut> at least samba file sharing is nolonger a huge hassle
[08:00] <Arenlor> what were you doing before you got that raj1?
[08:00] <raj1> hmm i do nothing or everything
[08:00] <RAOF> raj1: Right.  So, pastebinning that backtrace might be helpful.  Also, you've filed a bug?  What's the bug number?
[08:00] <raj1> i have never seen fspot yet
[08:00] <raj1> yes bug report wait
[08:00] <aItsNotOut> wow 98 updates
[08:00] <aItsNotOut> i installed on sat :-/
[08:01] <oupa> altsNotOut: the frustrating thing is that the printer 'just appeared' in my printer list at one time, now it's 'just disappeared' again!
[08:01] <aItsNotOut> ah, what method of sharing are you using?
[08:01] <bullgard4> Lynoure: I do not remember. And my bash storage comprises only 1000 lines. In the mean time there occurred an overflow in it. I did not know that it is so complicated to fetch the GNOME sources for Ubuntu. Otherwise I would have noted down the command on paper.
[08:01] <raj1> 202771 bug
[08:02] <RAOF> bug #202771
[08:02] <ubotu> Bug 202771 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/202771 is private
[08:02] <aItsNotOut> private? oh nose
[08:02] <RAOF> ...but I can probably see it.
[08:02] <raj1> whats private?
[08:02] <anonymouse> how much longer?
[08:02] <RAOF> !isitout | anonymouse
[08:02] <ubotu> anonymouse: The answer is always that it will release when the release manager says so, which is generally down to how exact order of events works out on the day and is hard for anyone (including the release manager) to put an exact time on in advance.  However, rest assured that it will be out before the clock hits 23:59:59 on Baker and Howland Islands.  Until then, please stop asking.
[08:02] <aItsNotOut> anonymouse: clearly you ignore my nick
[08:03] <aItsNotOut> why do you hate me ;_;
[08:03] <RAOF> raj1: It means that apport has attached a backtrace & crash dump, which can contain private data, so isn't available for everyone to see.
[08:03] <Lynoure> bullgard4: I can imagine doing it in one line with apt-cache show ubuntu-desktop | grep Depends | sed (something to get rid of nonsense parts) | apt-src   (to finally get the source)
[08:03] <raj1> oh private.? like my girl's phone numbers ? :D
[08:04] <RAOF> raj1: Yeah, entirely possible.
[08:04] <raj1> anyways, when it will be public?
[08:04] <raj1> actually apport used to open but now it has stopped collecting data
[08:04] <RAOF> raj1: As soon as I delete the stacktrace.
[08:04] <RAOF> s/stacktrace/coredump/
[08:05] <raj1> ok what exactly does or may stacktrace contain ?
[08:05] <Lynoure> bullgard4: or actually I'd skip sed and cut-and-paste the package list :)
[08:05] <NotSure> RAOF: Hay - Played around with what you suggested and my desktop is happily playing sound again! : ) - So if I install "ubuntu-restricted-extras" - What would be most notable benefits? I see it helps with MP3 playing - Is that about it?
[08:05] <RAOF> raj1: It's basically a piece of your RAM.  As such, it can contain _anything_ that you care about; that's why we mark such bugs as private by default.
[08:06] <omgomgomghardyhe> !isitout
[08:06] <ubotu> The answer is always that it will release when the release manager says so, which is generally down to how exact order of events works out on the day and is hard for anyone (including the release manager) to put an exact time on in advance.  However, rest assured that it will be out before the clock hits 23:59:59 on Baker and Howland Islands.  Until then, please stop asking.
[08:06] <RAOF> NotSure: It'll just install a bunch of codecs, yeah.  Oh, and flash, and java I think.
[08:06] <RAOF> NotSure: If your music plays, you don't need it ;)
[08:06] <aItsNotOut> on join say !isitout
[08:06] <aItsNotOut> j/k
[08:06] <raj1> hmm thats why apport says crarshed with sigsev in memcpy()
[08:07] <raj1> nice
[08:07] <bullgard4> Lynoure: I will take more time to analyze the command which you suggessted. I need to go shortly. --  Thank you.
[08:07] <RAOF> raj1: Apport will normally retrace your crash, to give us more information and then delete the coredump; your coredump failed to be retraced properly, so it didn't get deleted automatically.
[08:07] <NotSure> RAOF: Ok so flash works and I can play MP3's - so? Not really needed - but wouldn't hurt either in other words - correct?
[08:08] <RAOF> NotSure: Yup.  Won't hurt.
[08:08] <raj1> ok what is a coredump? i hope i can ask such questions here ?
[08:08] <raj1> or i google it maybe :D
[08:08] <RAOF> raj1: So, I suspect that this is a database-y type issue.
[08:08] <raj1> database?
[08:09] <RAOF> raj1: The coredump is the piece of your RAM, the stacktrace is the list of functions that got called leading up to your crash.
[08:09] <NotSure> RAOF: My biggest hump is getting a DVD movie to play - will try this later after new install of Final I mentioned earlier.
[08:09] <raj1> thanks
[08:09] <RAOF> raj1: F-Spot stores its info in a database.  So, I suggest we try moving that database away.  Try "mv ~/.gnome2/f-spot ~/.gnome2/f-spot.backup", and then try starting fspot again.
[08:10] <RAOF> NotSure: Heh.  DVDs suck in linux.  It's illegal to play them, here :(
[08:10] <RAOF> NotSure: Anyway, you'd be wanting the medibuntu repositories, or just libdvdcss2 from them.
[08:10] <brady_k> anybody have any idea when Quanta+ is going to be fixed for HH?
[08:11] <NotSure> RAOF: Thats what a High DEF Widescreen TV with DVD player is for anyway - right?  GRIN  : )
[08:11] <aItsNotOut> flasplugin-nonfree somedays I wonder about typos
[08:12] <raj1> not working still
[08:12] <brady_k> raj1: is that to me?
[08:12] <raj1> raof
[08:12] <RAOF> raj1: With the same backtrace?  Um...
[08:12] <raj1> sorry iam irc noob
[08:13]  * DanaG will likely be getting a 1920x1200 15.4" laptop next time.
[08:14] <raj1> actually there is no fspot folder in .gnome2
[08:14] <RAOF> raj1: That's somewhat awkward.  Has f-spot _ever_ worked?
[08:14] <raj1> never
[08:14] <SuperRoach> why DanaG?
[08:14] <raj1> i dont know what fspot looks like -:D
[08:15] <raj1> i summed it up
[08:15] <aItsNotOut> hah
[08:15] <RAOF> raj1: And you presumably don't have anything crazy in your sources.list?  Gah!
[08:15] <aItsNotOut> ndiswrapper is confusing
[08:15] <raj1> no its pure ubuntu
[08:15] <raj1> ok what info  u need tell me
[08:15] <DanaG> Or maybe I should go with the brighter 1680x1050.
[08:16] <DanaG> Hmm, dimmer high-res, or slightly brighter, slightly-lower res?
[08:16] <raj1> i started using from alpha 6
[08:16] <aItsNotOut> hmmm
[08:16] <raj1> never worked
[08:16] <Arenlor> NotSure you want to install libdvdread3 and in it will be a file called install-css.sh use 'sudo apt-get install libdvdread3' then run '/usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh'
[08:16] <aItsNotOut> DanaG: how dim?
[08:16] <DanaG> Beats me.
[08:16] <DanaG> HP 8510p or 8510w.
[08:16] <DanaG> The 'w' has a 1920x1200 screen.
[08:16] <aItsNotOut> oooo
[08:16] <DanaG> ﻿/me goes to sleep: ﻿﻿(>'-')> <('-'<) ^('-')^ v('-')v <('-'<)           ... oh wait, that's not sleeping.   THIS is sleeping: zzzzzzzzz.
[08:17] <aItsNotOut> kirby!
[08:17]  * DanaG is admittedly a minor HP fanboy... but only to the "﻿OOh, look at this! ﻿OOh, look at this! ﻿OOh, look at this! ﻿OOh, look at this!" point, not the "worship the ground they stand on" sort.
[08:17] <aItsNotOut> 00h
[08:17] <aItsNotOut> :)
[08:18] <SuperRoach> 15.4 screens would be horrible for 19xx res
[08:18] <DanaG> Look up either of those on notebookreview.com.
[08:18] <DanaG> Also has an accelerometer, with a currently-in-development Linux driver.
[08:18] <Arenlor> DanaG so you're a fanboy to the Firefox level but not to the Mac level for HP :P
[08:18] <DanaG> I don't know the Firefox level, actually.
[08:19] <aItsNotOut> finally
[08:19] <aItsNotOut> I got my wireless to work :)
[08:19] <DanaG> altSnotOut
[08:19] <NotSure> Arenlor: Will give that whirl - just for grins - not going to be totally lost not being able to play a DVD movie on here ( would be nice ) But not a priority. THanks for tip.
[08:19] <DanaG> altsNotOut
[08:19] <DanaG> !medibuntu
[08:19] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[08:19]  * rajeev hi
[08:19] <RAOF> rajeev: I'm not sure I'll be able to help, sorry.  Maybe you should try to reinstall the mono stack & fspot, and see if that helps?
[08:19] <DanaG> Bedtime now.
[08:20] <aItsNotOut> OOOOO
[08:20] <rajeev> mono stack
[08:20] <rajeev> hmm
[08:20] <RAOF> rajeev: That's a pretty long shot, but I've got no idea what's wrong.
[08:20] <rajeev> :(
[08:20] <rajeev> np
[08:20] <aItsNotOut> been wanting someone to make like a Pirate Linux :)
[08:20] <RAOF> rajeev: To do that you'd run 'sudo aptitude reinstall ~nmono f-spot'
[08:20] <Lynoure> aItsNotOut: what would that be like?
[08:20] <rajeev> k thank you lots
[08:20] <rajeev> ill let you know
[08:20] <Arenlor> NotSure I had a ton of trouble when I first went to play a dvd, installing that and running the script fixed it for me
[08:21] <DanaG> MMm, wanna' watch blue-ray on 15.4"... but the drives are so damn expensive.
[08:21] <DanaG> 500 bucks for just the drive, at least in laptop form factor.
[08:21] <aItsNotOut> Lynoure: pirate linux would be a ubuntu cd with flash installed on the livecd :)
[08:21] <Arenlor> DanaG buy an HD-DVD they can't be too expensive
[08:21] <DanaG> Don't you just ♥ Adobe?  ﻿﻿*segfault* ﻿*segfault* ﻿*segfault* ﻿*segfault* ﻿*segfault* ﻿*segfault* ﻿*segfault* ﻿*segfault*
[08:22] <quentusrex> Where do I go to get info on writing a module or something that can graphically display updated text returned by a console command?
[08:22] <NotSure> Arenlor: Thanks much - Planning new install when the "Final" is released and play around with it - see if I can make it work.
[08:22] <omgomgomghardyhe> ubuntu.com is dead right now
[08:22] <aItsNotOut> cool
[08:22] <Lynoure> aItsNotOut: I fail to see the pirateness of it, but nothing stopping you from making it, not that hard anymore
[08:22] <skep> hehe..ubuntu.com 503
[08:22] <omgomgomghardyhe> they might be uploading
[08:22] <quentusrex> I want to write a graphical utility for Folding@Home for the ubuntu clients...
[08:22] <aItsNotOut> Lynoure: copyright infringement :)
[08:22] <quentusrex> something that integrates into GDM
[08:23] <rajeev> it seems mono is not installed
[08:23] <Arenlor> I'm getting a 200 on ubuntu.com
[08:23] <omgomgomghardyhe> !isitout
[08:23] <ubotu> The answer is always that it will release when the release manager says so, which is generally down to how exact order of events works out on the day and is hard for anyone (including the release manager) to put an exact time on in advance.  However, rest assured that it will be out before the clock hits 23:59:59 on Baker and Howland Islands.  Until then, please stop asking.
[08:23] <aItsNotOut> im getting a >6000 on ubuntu.com, hes really strong
[08:23] <DanaG> 8510p also has HD2600.  Even if ATI is crap right now... at least it's open-source.  Nvidia has, in my opinion, been crap as well.
[08:23] <quentusrex> Anyone?????
[08:23] <tkooda> are the packages that are in the hardy repo right now what'll be in the release later today?
[08:23] <Arenlor> altsNotOut his power if off the scale
[08:24] <aItsNotOut> tkooda: theres been 98 updates since saturday
[08:24] <DanaG> Argh, CFS scheduler SUCKS!
[08:24] <DanaG> bug 188226
[08:24] <Arenlor> not quite altsNotOut, that just means 98 packages have been updated, if one has been updated 2000 times...
[08:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188226 in linux "Kernel should use CONFIG_FAIR_CGROUP_SCHED" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188226
[08:24] <aItsNotOut> 124mb, a good chunk of the CD, I'd wait
[08:24] <tkooda> aItsNotOut, thanks
[08:25] <tkooda> will try next week
[08:25] <Black_Magic> uhm do you still recommend i purge dhcp things?
[08:25] <Black_Magic> with ifconfig seems my internet is slower...
[08:25] <aItsNotOut> tkooda: could get it now and then wait a week to update ;)
[08:26] <DanaG> Actually, I'm going to bed approximately now.
[08:26] <aItsNotOut> im waiting for release to burn a new livecd personally
[08:26] <Arenlor> I'm waiting for release to Torrent
[08:26] <quentusrex> Does anyone know what a graphic plugin to gnome would be called???
[08:26] <aItsNotOut> dont they go live with torrents?
[08:27] <aItsNotOut> quentusrex: gnome panel or gdm? :)
[08:27] <Arenlor> what do you mean by a graphic plugin? GIMP?
[08:27] <quentusrex> I want to make a percent complete process bar to sit in my gnome tool panel that will display the percent completed on the Folding@Home work unit...
[08:28] <aItsNotOut> quentusrex: you said FAH right?
[08:28] <quentusrex> I can get the numerical percent by running a simple command line script
[08:28] <aItsNotOut> http://developer.gnome.org/arch/gnome/corecomponents/panel/applets.html
[08:28] <quentusrex> yes, Folding@Home...
[08:28] <Arenlor> altsNotOut yeah I'm waiting for them to release the torrents for us though then I'm heading to bed and leaving this thing sit on my cable line all day tomorrow
[08:28] <aItsNotOut> huh Gnome 1.x aren't we on like gnome 5.x?
[08:28] <Arenlor> gnome 2.2
[08:29] <aItsNotOut> ah, I tried 2.3 awhile back
[08:29] <Arenlor> when?
[08:29] <aItsNotOut> well it wasn't in ubuntu
[08:29] <Arenlor> http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/2.22/
[08:30] <aItsNotOut> foresight?
[08:30] <Arenlor> damn right it wasn't, the most current is 2.22
[08:30] <Deeta> Aye Gnome 2.2 was current in about 2003  :) ^-^
[08:31] <rajeev> roaf its still not working
[08:31] <rajeev> got a little more mono though
[08:31] <rajeev> :)
[08:31] <Black_Magic> DanaG: You ere?
[08:31] <DanaG> Yeah, sort of.
[08:32] <DanaG> Thu Apr 24 00:32:02 PDT 2008
[08:32] <Black_Magic> still think i should purge dhcp
[08:32] <Black_Magic> and then re-install?
[08:32] <DanaG> It might be a good idea, if dhcpd is still broken.
[08:32] <aItsNotOut> i wonder if i should bother with these 98 updates
[08:33] <oupa> I installed 8.04 beta. will I need to upgrade to final?
[08:33] <Black_Magic> DanaG: well it doesnt say permission denied...
[08:34] <Black_Magic> but i dont think it assighns IP either
[08:34] <rsk> oupa: if you want too
[08:34] <Arenlor> I don't think you upgrade I think it just updates
[08:34] <patifa> oupa as far as I can tell, just running the standard updater from beta will get you there
[08:34] <DanaG> Manually 'sudo dhclient eth0' or whatever?
[08:34] <DanaG> And do the dpkg purge?
[08:34] <Black_Magic> Yea
[08:35] <Black_Magic> it works but it says it got an IP refreshed but ifconfig says i still didnt have an IP
[08:35] <oupa> thanks, I deem to remember with 7.10 I had to upgrade again
[08:35] <Black_Magic> so i had to do the manual ifconfig stuff again
[08:35] <oupa> deem=seem
[08:37] <DanaG> Odd.
[08:37] <DanaG> I don't know what more to do.
[08:37] <DanaG> Perhaps /etc/network/interfaces is screwy?
[08:38] <DanaG> Or if it's a desktop, you might as well set a static IP, outside the router's DHCP range.
[08:38] <aItsNotOut> run dhclient manually and see if theres an error?
[08:38] <Black_Magic> mm
[08:38] <Black_Magic> wtf?
[08:38] <Black_Magic> it has ath0 as static
[08:38] <Black_Magic> and auto ath0 >.>
[08:39] <Black_Magic> says iface ath0 inet static address ect ect netmask you know gateway router ip then wireless key and essid
[08:39] <DanaG> That might explain it; you might try changing it to dhcp -- or if you use NetworkManager, just comment both lines out.
[08:39] <Black_Magic> then it says auto ath0
[08:39] <Black_Magic> change what to dhcp?
[08:40] <DanaG> It looks like it's configured for static IP on that interface.
[08:40] <RAOF> raj1: You'll get a better response out of RAOF :).
[08:40] <DanaG> roaf. hah.
[08:40] <DanaG> ORF.
[08:40] <Black_Magic> i dont really remeber doing that but what ever....
[08:40] <Black_Magic> i dont use NetworkManager
[08:40] <DanaG> Aah.  You can keep the SSID stuff while making it still dhcp; however, it's probably unpleasant if you roam.
[08:40] <RAOF> raj1: Gah.  That's pretty much all I can offer, sorry, except to ask whether it runs from a livecd.  It's odd, because it works for me.
[08:40] <JPSman> was gutsy ever LTS?
[08:40] <aItsNotOut> no
[08:41] <aItsNotOut> edgy was last LTS
[08:41] <Black_Magic> change inet to dhcp?
[08:41] <DanaG> I don't know what else to do; try WiCD or WiFi-Radar or NetworkManager or some stuff like that.
[08:41] <Black_Magic> so it then says iface ath0 inet dhcp ?
[08:41] <Black_Magic> im using Wicd
[08:41] <DanaG> WiCD probably set that.
[08:41] <JPSman> so hardy is the next LTS?
[08:41] <aItsNotOut> yea
[08:41] <DanaG> I've never used that; I can't help with wicd.
[08:42] <Black_Magic> Network-Manager fails
[08:42] <Black_Magic> but Ubuntu loves to uninstall wicd and reinstall network-manager whenever i install or update something majour :P
[08:42] <DanaG> They should make WiCD provide NetworkManager.
[08:42] <aItsNotOut> JPSman: whatever K is will be LTS
[08:42] <Milos_SD> Final is comming out today, and they never fixed bug with .zip files (files don't have icons and can not extract with right click)
[08:42] <Laser87> aItsNotOut: Dapper... ;-)
[08:43] <aItsNotOut> whoops
[08:43] <aItsNotOut> so then whatever L is will be LTS
[08:43] <aItsNotOut> nice synergy there
[08:43] <aItsNotOut> Lucid Lion
[08:43] <Wilbert> where to download final ubuntu 8.04
[08:43] <Black_Magic> Yea wicd set it if NetworkManager edited it it would of said it at the top
[08:43] <dystopianray> Wilbert: it's not out yet
[08:43] <aItsNotOut> welll
[08:43] <aItsNotOut> Wilbert: what does ubuntu.com say?
[08:44] <JPSman> how long will hardy be LTS?
[08:44] <aItsNotOut> dude
[08:44] <aItsNotOut> LTS means 2 years
[08:44] <DanaG> I must be going to bed now.
[08:44] <DanaG> Thu Apr 24 00:44:18 PDT 2008
[08:44] <DanaG> Yeah.
[08:44] <Laser87> JPSman: 3 yrs
[08:44] <Black_Magic> DanaG: Wait
[08:44] <rsk> patifa: 5 years on servers 3 years on desktop
[08:44] <Wilbert> damn, i though it was today
[08:44] <DanaG> what?
[08:44] <aItsNotOut> oh 3? whoops
[08:44] <Black_Magic> so change iface ath0 static
[08:44] <Black_Magic> to dhcp?
[08:44] <DanaG> Or try tweaking it in wicd.
[08:44] <aItsNotOut> JPSman: read ubuntu.com so I stop giving you wrong information :)
[08:44] <DanaG> If you change it manually, you also comment out address and netmask and gateway and such.
[08:45] <DanaG> But not the wifi-related stuff.
[08:45] <nanonyme> Still, the LTS+1 should be an 18 month cycle if I've understood it correctly.
[08:45] <Black_Magic> ok
[08:45] <Black_Magic> so just put dhcp after inet?
[08:45] <DanaG> yeah.
[08:45] <Black_Magic> making sure
[08:45] <Black_Magic> sorry for asking same question over and over
[08:45] <Laser87> nanonyme: right
[08:45] <aItsNotOut> hmm
[08:45] <Black_Magic> trying not to mess something else up :P
[08:45] <aItsNotOut> iface wang inet dhcp
[08:45] <aItsNotOut> thats what I have
[08:46]  * Black_Magic dares to try and update packages on a release day
[08:46] <aItsNotOut> Black_Magic: for some reason the hordes wait for the ISO
[08:46] <Black_Magic> why is that?
[08:46] <Deeta> Fosswire claims that 8.04 has gone gold already... --> http://fosswire.com/2008/04/24/ubuntu-804-hardy-heron-review/
[08:46] <omgomgomghardyhe> !isitout
[08:46] <ubotu> The answer is always that it will release when the release manager says so, which is generally down to how exact order of events works out on the day and is hard for anyone (including the release manager) to put an exact time on in advance.  However, rest assured that it will be out before the clock hits 23:59:59 on Baker and Howland Islands.  Until then, please stop asking.
[08:46] <Black_Magic> well i upgraded at alpha 6 so...
[08:47] <aItsNotOut> ah
[08:47] <Black_Magic> im just making sure my packages are up to date
[08:47] <Black_Magic> so they are stableish
[08:47] <Black_Magic> only real thing that gives me problems is nautilus
[08:47] <aItsNotOut> how long ago was alpha 6?
[08:47] <patifa> rsk: was your comment mistakenly addressed to me?
[08:47] <Black_Magic> couple months
[08:47] <rsk> yes
[08:47] <aItsNotOut> Black_Magic: once you update packages you're no longer on alpha 6 btw
[08:48] <Black_Magic> aItsNotOut: i know that im not still in alpha 6
[08:48] <Black_Magic> i was saying i upgraded when it was out
[08:48] <Arenlor> why do I have a directory named .gvfs in my home directory that I have no access to when using 'sudo find / -name' anything
[08:48] <aItsNotOut> oic i read what you said wrong haha
[08:48] <Black_Magic> im just about stable just need to update 107 packages
[08:48] <aItsNotOut> Arenlor: make it yours
[08:48] <Black_Magic> does adding a . to text files make it hidden?
[08:49] <Laser87> Black_Magic: ja
[08:49] <aItsNotOut> . infront, yes
[08:49] <patifa> prefixing any filename with . marks it as hidden
[08:49] <dystopianray> Black_Magic: any file with a . at the start is hidden
[08:49] <Black_Magic> was asking because i just did that and i can still see the file...
[08:49]  * calc knows the secret way to have the iso right after its released :)
[08:49] <aItsNotOut> lol
[08:49] <Black_Magic> lol
[08:50] <Laser87> Black_Magic: then you have to sisable "show hidden files"
[08:50] <calc> 'rsync'
[08:50]  * dystopianray knows the secret way to have the iso before it's released
[08:50] <Laser87> disable
[08:50] <Arenlor> Black_Magic try ctrl+h
[08:50] <Black_Magic> Laser87: its ontop of my desktop
[08:50] <patifa> Black_Magic try Ctrl+H a few times to see the hidden files turn on and off
[08:50] <calc> dystopianray: well that is easy enough download the last one of the testing page for the version of *buntu you want
[08:50] <Black_Magic> oh thats why :P
[08:50] <Black_Magic> it disappeard now
[08:50] <Arenlor> dr-x------  2 arenlor  arenlor      0 2008-04-24 01:35 .gvfs that is what I get with ls, how do I fix this?
[08:51] <Black_Magic> it probally would of been easier to just add a ~ to the end
[08:51] <calc> Arenlor: i don't think that is a bug
[08:51] <dystopianray> Arenlor: chmod 700 .gvfs
[08:51] <calc> Arenlor: that is a mount point for gvfs fuse fs's
[08:52] <calc> the directory is empty
[08:52] <dystopianray> Arenlor: wait, actually what do you want to do with that directory?
[08:52] <aItsNotOut> well mines 700
[08:52] <mrtimdog> ﻿Arenlor: You shouldn't touch it, put it back as it was. It's to do with giving you access to various file systems with user permissions (GVFS).
[08:52] <aItsNotOut> Arenlor: dont mess with things that aren't broken, but mine is rwx so dont worry about it :)
[08:53] <KalEl> today is april 24 :)
[08:54] <mrtimdog> ﻿KalEl: On most of the planet so far, it is!
[08:54] <Arenlor> this is so odd, I get permission denied if I use 'sudo find /home/arenlor -name .gvfs' but if I use 'find /home/arenlor -name .gvfs' I have no problem
[08:55] <Arenlor> !isitout
[08:55] <ubotu> The answer is always that it will release when the release manager says so, which is generally down to how exact order of events works out on the day and is hard for anyone (including the release manager) to put an exact time on in advance.  However, rest assured that it will be out before the clock hits 23:59:59 on Baker and Howland Islands.  Until then, please stop asking.
[08:56] <Deeta> which timezone is baker island in? ;-)
[08:56] <Arenlor> -1200 UTC
[08:56] <Arenlor> the very last time zones
[08:56] <Deeta> Tehee :)
[09:00] <Black_Magic> netsplit?
[09:00] <Arenlor> I'm not sure, possibly
[09:00] <Arenlor> or someone smells funny
[09:01] <calc> so who else installing intrepid? :)
[09:01] <Arenlor> no one is until it's made
[09:02] <Black_Magic> How nice...windows broke AGAIN..
[09:02]  * Black_Magic accedentally purges windows
[09:02] <Black_Magic> after getting his files off of it
[09:02]  * calc checks to see when it should open
[09:02] <nanonyme> Black_Magic: I don't think it was a netsplit.
[09:03] <calc> hmm w.u.c is quite slow
[09:04] <Black_Magic> w.u.c?
[09:04] <calc> wiki.ubuntu.com
[09:04] <HorizonXP> so compiz-fusion definitely still crashes on me with the Animation plugin; that last bug fix didn't quite fix it
[09:04] <HorizonXP> there's a bug fix in the compiz-fusion repo that I think should be put into Hardy
[09:05] <HorizonXP> Amaranth: You around?
[09:05] <calc> ah it should be open by early next week, since the toolchain is due to be uploaded by then
[09:05] <_ruben> heh .. the counter changed to "coming soon" .. cant get much more vague :p
[09:05] <Amaranth> HorizonXP: If you mean the animation thing it'll be in hardy-updates
[09:06] <HorizonXP> Amaranth: after release? the bug fix where it said "Should fix all freezes from now on" ?
[09:06] <Amaranth> yes
[09:06] <HorizonXP> ok
[09:06] <HorizonXP> that's acceptable. :P
[09:06] <Amaranth> it is way too late for it to get in now
[09:06] <HorizonXP> yeah I figured
[09:07] <Arenlor> hey Amaranth how are you?
[09:07] <Amaranth> Arenlor: fine, you?
[09:08] <beniamino> I have a standard Dell Optiplex 745 with Hardy. When I execute shutdown -r, the machine hangs on the shutdown progress bar. But when I do shutdown -h, it works fine.  I need this machine to reboot remotely -- what can I do?
[09:08] <Arenlor> Pretty well, just waiting to see if we get a slam like with Gutsy tonight while waiting to start the torrent to help seed
[09:08] <Arenlor> beniamino try 'sudo reboot'
[09:10] <beniamino> Arenlor: yeah, same deal with reboot
[09:11] <mrtimdog> ﻿beniamino: I have the same problem on my Dell too, I've never got around to looking into it.
[09:11] <HorizonXP> beniamino: sudo shutdown -r now ?
[09:12] <beniamino> HorizonXP: that has the same problem -- and the shutdown icon in the desktop also
[09:12] <beniamino> does dell ship standard ubuntu? or is there a dell-extras repo somewhere?
[09:15] <Arenlor> beniamino try this, shut it down and while booting back up go into the grub menu (may require you to press escape) then press e to edit the boot line and e again once you've selected it (second option down I believe but am tired) and erase the option 'splash'
[09:15] <aItsNotOut> may? its ubuntu, it will
[09:16] <Arenlor> I turned if off, if he or someone else turned it off in GRUB then he won't need to
[09:17] <Arenlor> first thing I do to new installs, remove hiddenmenu turn on prettycolors and remove splash adding noapic
[09:18] <beniamino> Arenlor: ok, am trying that, but also reboot=b. unfortunately i'm now waiting for fsck
[09:20] <omgomgomghardyhe> !isitout
[09:20] <ubotu> The answer is always that it will release when the release manager says so, which is generally down to how exact order of events works out on the day and is hard for anyone (including the release manager) to put an exact time on in advance.  However, rest assured that it will be out before the clock hits 23:59:59 on Baker and Howland Islands.  Until then, please stop asking.
[09:21] <os2mac> how very curt of you ubotu! :)
[09:21] <Arenlor> Can anyone help me with an odd error here http://pastebin.com/d7df71f99 when I use the packaged thunderbird it's fine but when I use the one I downloaded from Mozilla it gives that error, any ideas?
[09:22] <aItsNotOut> interesting
[09:22] <aItsNotOut> oh ubuntu has a different version of that
[09:22] <KalEl> if i'm at GMT +5:30, what is the time for me when is it 23:59:59 for GMT -12:00?
[09:22] <cool> Arenlor, To install thunderbird use Synapatic or type this at terminal ==> sudo apt-get install thunderbird
[09:22] <Arenlor> it worked fine in Gutsy >_<
[09:23] <aItsNotOut> KalEl: thats actually a BS answer, it'll be up when its up
[09:23] <patifa> Or use GNOME's Add Remove dialog
[09:23] <aItsNotOut> kind of like duke nuken forever, but not
[09:23] <techno_freak> Arenlor, think we use /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6
[09:23] <aItsNotOut> Arenlor: yea but differences like this are why we have different names and not just Ubuntu
[09:23] <KalEl> holy cow it's 17:30 the next day!
[09:24] <techno_freak> Arenlor, may be we moved to using the latest and they are still using the old ;)
[09:24] <Arenlor> possibly
[09:24] <techno_freak> Arenlor, aptitude install libstdc++5 should fix it
[09:25] <aItsNotOut> hey i was still looking up the answer ;(
[09:26] <Arenlor> nice thankyou
[09:27] <Sajuukkhar> hey guys i just updated dapper to hardy but now my xorg file is screwed over (it was fine before), it says it has problems with my 'wacom' and 'mouse' entries, what shall i do?
[09:28] <patifa> Sajuukkhar have you tried xfix?
[09:29] <lieter> high guys, there is still a very disturbing bug in hardy
[09:29] <nanonyme> Is it in bug tracker?
[09:29] <Sajuukkhar> xfix?
[09:29] <lieter> yes
[09:29] <lieter> but no dev has looked at it
[09:29] <lieter> the r8169 ethernet driver doesnt work for certain realtek chipsets
[09:29] <Sajuukkhar> how do i run xfix?
[09:29] <aItsNotOut> Sajuukkhar: humorous delete xorg.conf option?
[09:30] <aItsNotOut> (maybe rename it :p)
[09:30] <lieter> 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 01)
[09:30] <PodMan99a> release date is here..... what time zone is it worked on?? lol ..... and are there any exciting changes from RC to release
[09:30] <Sajuukkhar> as in rm /etc/x11/xorg.conf?
[09:32] <Wilbert> Raaaah, sitting here, ready to download and burn the newest LTS Hardy Heron .... but nothing yet, just the message " a little bit patience "
[09:33] <Sajuukkhar> k rebooted with recovery, shall i do xfix?
[09:34] <PodMan99a> Wilbert, waiting same as u .... these people dont know preasure.... lol..... hehehe... only joking peoples i wouldnt want ur job... although up to now hardy is a cool bit of kit ... ive been using it on desktop and laptop for 2 months
[09:34] <Sajuukkhar> rather
[09:34] <Sajuukkhar> how do i do the xfix option?
[09:34] <Laser87> From #ubuntu-de: The release gets  delayed by 2 hours each time someone asks when it's out :-D
[09:35] <Arenlor> if you ask it here it's only delayed by 1 hour
[09:35] <Wilbert> i already asked 12 times
[09:35] <techno_freak> Sajuukkhar, remove your xorg.conf and restart X, check what happens.. backup your current xorg.conf for safety
[09:35] <PodMan99a> i love the germans.... lol
[09:36] <Arenlor> though of course you can ask ubotu if it's out with !isitout
[09:36] <PodMan99a> !isitout
[09:36] <ubotu> The answer is always that it will release when the release manager says so, which is generally down to how exact order of events works out on the day and is hard for anyone (including the release manager) to put an exact time on in advance.  However, rest assured that it will be out before the clock hits 23:59:59 on Baker and Howland Islands.  Until then, please stop asking.
[09:36] <Sajuukkhar> already deleted xorg
[09:36] <Sajuukkhar> and it didnt work
[09:36] <Wilbert> spank ubotu
[09:37] <PodMan99a> that not fair thats -12 hours!!
[09:37] <Arenlor> yes exactly
[09:37] <Arenlor> by the time April 24th, 2008 has ended worldwide it will be out
[09:37] <PodMan99a> Arenlor, damn bots ... lol... next time we want a time zone out of them before dates lol
[09:38] <aItsNotOut> PodMan99a: if you do that they'll switch to It'll be out when its out
[09:38] <Wilbert> before nextyear wednesday
[09:39] <PodMan99a> aItsNotOut, it very not good... there is a duke nukem game thats been like that for 4 years
[09:39] <TeslaTony> PodMan99a: Until the final release, you might take this opportunity to try the wonders of Vista Home Basic
[09:39] <Sajuukkhar> LOL
[09:39] <Sajuukkhar> vista
[09:39] <Wilbert> lmao
[09:39] <TeslaTony> Or Windows ME
[09:39] <raj1> i love XP
[09:39] <aItsNotOut> PodMan99a: if you're already running ubuntu may as well just update now
[09:39] <raj1> fspot fspot anyone
[09:39] <Arenlor> lol more than 4 years
[09:40] <Wilbert> teslatony: good one, the wonders off Vista
[09:40] <aItsNotOut> yea its won vaporware awards since 5 years ago
[09:40] <raj1> raof thanks that bug is public now i think
[09:40] <Arenlor> I miss ME :(
[09:40] <Aondo> is it normal that hda turns to sda after an update?
[09:40] <aItsNotOut> I dont see why people have problems with vista
[09:41] <TeslaTony> Wilbert: Actually, to be fair, I do like many things about Vista. Having said that I also like to mock anyone and anything I can...
[09:41] <aItsNotOut> i really dont notice what OS im on
[09:41] <Arenlor> Vista, just ugh, once you work with it though it's good
[09:41] <beniamino> Arenlor: ok, the reboot=b option fixes it
[09:41] <raj1> bug #202771
[09:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 202771 in f-spot "f-spot.exe crashed with SIGSEGV in memcpy()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202771
[09:41] <negge^> Aondo: /dev/sdb1 changed to /dev/sda2 for a friend of mine:D
[09:41] <Arenlor> first things first, turn off the notification bubble on Vista and then turn off the AUC thingy
[09:42] <negge^> after some update I think
[09:42] <Aondo> some how it says i got sda1 as / but that is my ntfs partition, but all the data is correct but from sdb1
[09:42] <negge^> but I think it was a problem with his drive
[09:42] <aItsNotOut> yay not private any more
[09:42] <Aondo> negge^  hehe
[09:42] <Wilbert> i was a windows fan, before i met Vista, now i changed to Ubuntu and a whole univere opened for me
[09:42] <negge^> Wilbert: same thing here
[09:42] <aItsNotOut> haha
[09:42] <Aondo> negge^  well i suspect there to be some issues with sata and ide disks together :P
[09:42] <negge^> Aondo: could be
[09:43] <negge^> I only have one harddrive so I haven't had any problems
[09:43] <Aondo> i did not have this problem earlier tho, when i ran 2.6.24 on gutsy
[09:43] <negge^> as long as the disks are detected you should be fine, if somehow the names change (sda to hda or vice versa) just edit you fstab file and reboot and the problem should be solved
[09:44] <Aondo> negge^  yea, but how can it say my root is sda1 when that is my ntfs partition :P
[09:44] <negge^> that I have no idea
[09:44] <raj1> hmm
[09:44] <negge^> if the names have changed then sure it could happen
[09:44] <Aondo> /dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[09:44] <Aondo> /dev/sda1   *           1        1912    15358108+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[09:44] <raj1> wierd
[09:44] <negge^> :D
[09:45] <negge^> weird indeed
[09:45] <negge^> --> lunchbreak
[09:45] <Wilbert> lunch ??? its 11 am here
[09:45] <raj1> maybe file bug report
[09:45] <aItsNotOut> Aondo: thats just a partition type
[09:45] <raj1> but isnt / an ext3 partition?
[09:46] <raj1> why its showind ntfs?
[09:46] <Arenlor> my dad has lunch at 11AM daily Wilbert
[09:46] <aItsNotOut> raj1: its just a partitoin type
[09:46] <aItsNotOut> raj1: in the table theres a 07 somewhere
[09:46] <raj1> mm
[09:46] <Aondo> if i mount up sdb1 it has the same data
[09:47] <aItsNotOut> Aondo: haha really?
[09:47] <Aondo> yes
[09:47] <raj1> lol
[09:47] <aItsNotOut> now thats a bug, the partition type being wrong? not a problem
[09:47] <raj1> maybe its not mounting sdb1 then
[09:47] <Eagle_Boy> hello everyone
[09:48] <beniamino> argh -- there was a patch for this way back in july 07 http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/6/4/460
[09:48] <Eagle_Boy> does anyone know if hardy will support nvidia 9800 gx2?
[09:48] <RAOF> Eagle_Boy: Not out of the box, no.
[09:48] <raj1> rephrase it to will nvidia support it
[09:48] <RAOF> Eagle_Boy: That card requires beta drivers, which we don't ship.
[09:48] <raj1> iam sure they will
[09:48] <raj1> raof hi
[09:48] <raj1> :)
[09:49] <raj1> i guess ill have to wait for fspot fix later ?
[09:49] <Eagle_Boy> I am asking because I have been trying to install gusty on my box but it crashes when to goes to load gdm
[09:49] <RAOF> raj1: Yup; I don't know what's wrong there.
[09:50] <raj1> maybe i do a fresh install or something
[09:50] <raj1> with new final version
[09:50] <Eagle_Boy> anyone know how to get it to install and then DL the drivers
[09:50] <RAOF> Eagle_Boy: Ah, right.  I don't think the open source nv drivers support that card yet, and the proprietary driver we have doesn't.
[09:50] <Eagle_Boy> that sucks for me :0(
[09:50] <raj1> that card how much it cost u ?
[09:51] <RAOF> Eagle_Boy: Sucks to have bleeding edge hardware :(
[09:51] <Eagle_Boy> $560
[09:51] <Eagle_Boy> I don't really want to use the true potential of my card
[09:51] <Eagle_Boy> I just want to be able to do my normal stuff till the drivers come out
[09:52] <Eagle_Boy> beats switching between this box and my laptop
[09:52] <raj1> beta driver from nvidia is available version 173
[09:52] <RAOF> Eagle_Boy: Well, you can grab the beta drivers from nvidia.com
[09:52] <letterman> hey ppl
[09:52] <Eagle_Boy> but will gusty detect it during the install?
[09:53] <Eagle_Boy> cause I will not be able to get into gdm till after I get the drivers
[09:53] <raj1> mmm its a different process installing it urself
[09:53] <RAOF> Eagle_Boy: Gutsy won't, and hardy probably won't.  You might be lucky, but with a card so new that _nvidia_ don't have released drivers that support it...
[09:53] <letterman> I installed the latest drivers from nvidia, and they worked.. then my computer went into suspend mode, couldn't resume.. and now when it boots it can't seem to get xwindows running
[09:53] <Eagle_Boy> yeah I have that problem
[09:53] <raj1> i think he can use vesa to get to gdm
[09:54] <raj1> then install or whatever
[09:54] <Eagle_Boy> cause I boot and I see the mouse cursor just before it crashes on the boot
[09:54] <letterman> yup
[09:54] <letterman> hmm brb I need to install screen
[09:54] <Eagle_Boy> after that I don't get to see anything and I get a cannot find where to display (<0 displays) error
[09:55] <raj1> ok i have a question ? what happened to sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[09:55] <cool> raj1, what exactly you are trying to do?
[09:55] <raj1> nothing just wondering
[09:55] <raj1> whenever i had display issues it worked well for me
[09:56] <raj1> now i dont know what to use
[09:56] <letterman> yeah, well kdm is running, I just can't get a window
[09:57] <raj1> my friend had a laptop with nvidia 7000 integrated
[09:57] <raj1> so i use that command to select vesa to get a display
[09:57] <raj1> now i dont know how to do that in hardy
[09:58] <raj1> anyways
[09:58] <raj1> cyas
[09:58] <rohan> any idea how far we're from release?
[09:58] <RAOF> About that far.
[09:59] <Arenlor> !isitout | rohan
[09:59] <ubotu> rohan: The answer is always that it will release when the release manager says so, which is generally down to how exact order of events works out on the day and is hard for anyone (including the release manager) to put an exact time on in advance.  However, rest assured that it will be out before the clock hits 23:59:59 on Baker and Howland Islands.  Until then, please stop asking.
[09:59] <rohan> Arenlor: heeh, should've expected ;) thanks
[09:59] <slackd00d> fuck im tired of that question
[09:59] <Koheleth> guys my rc just updated I dont think its rc anymore
[09:59] <cool> poor ubotu, have to say the same thing again and again
[09:59] <letterman> ok so here's the error:
[09:59] <Arenlor> slackd00d hence why there is a command for it
[10:00] <rohan> slackd00d: i know, next time someone asks that question, i'll be saying the same thing "fuck im tired of that question"
[10:00] <stdin> !language
[10:00] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[10:00] <rohan> just to show that i haven't asked it, and that by asking you're fool
[10:00] <letterman> Module "ramdac" already built it, nvidia kernel module version 71.86.04 and driver component version is 169.12 make sure module and driver have teh same version
[10:00] <rohan> right, slackd00d ?
[10:00] <Koheleth> you should hear the language in my family :)
[10:00] <Arenlor> how do I run a .bin
[10:00] <Koheleth> sh
[10:00] <rohan> Arenlor: ./foo.bin
[10:00] <rohan> Koheleth: what if it's not a shell file? :)
[10:01] <slackd00d> right?
[10:01] <dystopianray> Arenlor: chmod +x foo.bin; ./foo.bin
[10:01] <kestaz> will ubuntu hardy will be today relesed ?
[10:01] <Arenlor> ah chmod +x
[10:01] <Koheleth> lol
[10:01] <rohan> Koheleth: yes
[10:01] <vega--> argh.
[10:01] <rohan> err.. kestaz , yes
[10:01] <Arenlor> !isitout | kestaz
[10:01] <ubotu> kestaz: The answer is always that it will release when the release manager says so, which is generally down to how exact order of events works out on the day and is hard for anyone (including the release manager) to put an exact time on in advance.  However, rest assured that it will be out before the clock hits 23:59:59 on Baker and Howland Islands.  Until then, please stop asking.
[10:01] <slackd00d> = \
[10:01] <vega--> how many seconds till next one asking?
[10:02] <vega--> i'd say about 33sec..
[10:02] <Koheleth> hey
[10:02] <Eagle_Boy> I say 10
[10:02] <cool> THIS IS SPARTA!!
[10:02] <Koheleth> when...
[10:02] <slackd00d> well anyway hardy has been very stable for me since the rc
[10:02] <TeslaTony> Let's take bets!
[10:02] <Eagle_Boy> hehe
[10:02] <slackd00d> when will the final release be ready
[10:02] <Koheleth> I have the rc, it updated and now it tels me my system is Hardy Heron 8.04
[10:03] <Eagle_Boy> question, does anyone know where I can find the step by step instruction to install NVIDIA's beta drivers
[10:03] <Koheleth> no rc or nothing, appartly they remove the moniker tho
[10:03] <Eagle_Boy> it comes in a .run package
[10:03] <vega--> Eagle_Boy: wiki.ubuntu.com
[10:03] <Eagle_Boy> okay
[10:03] <vega--> or www.ubuntuforums.org perhaps
[10:03] <slackd00d> so the final version of hardy will be out today?
[10:03] <Koheleth> sure
[10:04] <Koheleth> today depends what part of the world your in
[10:04] <slackd00d> hah who had 1 minute in the bet
[10:04] <RAOF> !nvidia > Eagle_Boy
[10:06] <Koheleth> something is happening, I just got told my packages are out of date and I had to reload
[10:06] <kahrytan> Where does it say what version you have?
[10:07] <rohan> lsb_release -a
[10:07] <Koheleth> mine says ubuntu 8.04
[10:07] <kahrytan> oh cool
[10:08] <kahrytan> Im still doing mad rush to download final
[10:08] <kahrytan> i want to help seed torrent
[10:09] <peabody> ok so reinstalling the nvidia driver will allow me to startx again, but on rebooot everything is still broken
[10:10] <peabody> let's see what the logs have to say about that
[10:11] <HorizonXP> hey guys, question: if I install Ubuntu, can I have one user have a English UI, and another user have a Gujarati UI?
[10:11] <mooper> does ubuntu "rebase its self on debian everytime there is a new unstable release?"
[10:11] <xngear> anybody noticed that ubuntu ignore bios rules for cpu? i set clock speed to 2.1 ghz with 8x multiplier, but ubuntu unlocked cpu to 9x multiplier (2.4 ghz)
[10:12] <cwillu> xngear, it wouldn't be changing the multiplier
[10:12] <patifa> Is it even possible for the OS to change that?!
[10:12] <RAOF> HorizonXP: I think so, but I'm not sure; I've never tried.  The language settings _should_ be a user-specific environment variable.
[10:12] <cwillu> if the cpu has direct support for speedstep, then it can do <- that, but changing the multiplier?  don't think so
[10:13] <xngear> maybe it is just reporting wrong clocks? dunno
[10:13] <cwillu> more likely
[10:13] <cwillu> where are you checking it?
[10:14] <HorizonXP> RAOF: I wanna try it. I think that my mom might like Linux more if it could be done. She can read English just fine, I just think the novelty of the computer being in Gujarati would be kick-ass!
[10:14] <xngear> cwillu: in dmesg time.c line, also cat /proc/cpuinfo or something, cpuinfo always report wrong clocks...
[10:15] <xngear> even without multiplier override
[10:16] <|ismael|> good morning,I have a problem with driver ati in hardy ,when I install the propietary driver of ati in repositories universe or multiverse(i dont remember)the system crash
[10:17] <|ismael|> some idea?
[10:18] <Arenlor> |ismael| if you don't get a response it may be that the people are busy or that no one feels qualified to help you or that they are researching your solution
[10:20] <RAOF> |ismael|: What card da you have, and what do you mean by 'system crash'?
[10:21] <|ismael|> ati radeon xpress 200m when i install it and restart,the screen is in black and i cant do anything.
[10:23] <RAOF> |ismael|: Ergh.  It doesn't fallback to bulletproof-X? :(
[10:25] <Arenlor> when did java update to update 6?
[10:25] <|ismael|> no,when restart  it try charge ubuntu but in some second i cant do anything
[10:26] <xngear> can you switch to terminal? alt+f1
[10:27] <xngear> ctrl+alt+f1 i mean
[10:27] <HorizonXP> RAOF: just tried it. It works, but nowhere near perfect
[10:27] <|ismael|> no,i cant do ctrl+f1
[10:27] <RAOF> HorizonXP: Do you have the full langpack installed (I presume you do), and how did you switch?
[10:28] <HorizonXP> RAOF: a lot of the UI elements are in the right language, like they should be. But there are still a few that aren't. Maybe I could get my mom to help out with translations....
[10:28] <RAOF> Heh.  That's possible.
[10:29] <HorizonXP> RAOF: I added the language pack using the Language option under Administration. I added a new user, went to log in using that account. Before I logged in, on GDM, I went Options -> Language, and selected the langauge. It asked if I wanted to change GDM to use the language, and I did, then I logged in, and everything was in Gujarati.
[10:30] <HorizonXP> RAOF: and my reading speed in Gujarati is like a 4 year old, so I was pretty useless in using the UI. had to go by memory, lol!
[10:30] <RAOF> HorizonXP: Ah, cool.  _That's_ where the magic button is :)
[10:30] <immk> when exactly is the final release? I thought it was today, but can't find a mirror with it on?
[10:30] <Arenlor> !isitou | immk
[10:30] <HorizonXP> !isitout | immk
[10:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about isitou - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:30] <Laser87> !isitout
[10:30] <ubotu> The answer is always that it will release when the release manager says so, which is generally down to how exact order of events works out on the day and is hard for anyone (including the release manager) to put an exact time on in advance.  However, rest assured that it will be out before the clock hits 23:59:59 on Baker and Howland Islands.  Until then, please stop asking.
[10:30] <ubotu> immk: please see above
[10:30] <Symmetria> immk its not out yet so ummm wait :)
[10:30] <HorizonXP> wow. Ubotu's SMART! lol
[10:31] <immk> lol, ok, my bad
[10:31] <RAOF> HorizonXP: Where is Gujarati from?  I haven't heard of it (which is not particularly surprising).
[10:31] <HorizonXP> it actually wrote, please see above instead of reprinting the text!
[10:31] <Symmetria> heh Im waiting with baited breath to see what happens on my mirror server when it gets released
[10:32] <immk> Symmetria: how long will it take to propogate?
[10:32] <HorizonXP> RAOF: Gujarat is a state in India... like northwest corner, close to Pakistan. People there speak Gujarati, which is similar to Hindi and Urdu, but has a lot of influences from other languages like Farsi, Arabic, English (of course), and Portuguese.
[10:32] <Symmetria> immk purely depends on how often people are synching and how many people are on triggered mirrors
[10:32] <HorizonXP> it's one of the "easier" Indian languages
[10:33] <|Dreams|> what time will hardy be released?
[10:33] <HorizonXP> LOL
[10:33] <HorizonXP> !isitout > |Dreams|
[10:33] <Arenlor> !isitout | |Dreams|
[10:33] <ubotu> |Dreams|: The answer is always that it will release when the release manager says so, which is generally down to how exact order of events works out on the day and is hard for anyone (including the release manager) to put an exact time on in advance.  However, rest assured that it will be out before the clock hits 23:59:59 on Baker and Howland Islands.  Until then, please stop asking.
[10:33] <immk> Symmetria: Which is the central mirror, that they copy from though. Must be a way to get higher in the chain. maybe I'm too eager
[10:33] <HorizonXP> we should keep a running tally
[10:33] <HorizonXP> I say it'd top 1000 requests
[10:33] <immk> lol
[10:33] <Symmetria> immk you dont wanna get it from the central archive anyway, bandwidth wise its gonna get slammed
[10:33] <Laser87> |Dreams|: again 2 hours later...
[10:34] <ripps> What up dawgs
[10:34] <Symmetria> HorizonXP heh a thousand requests would indicate a serious problem, Im thinking more like 20 thousand+ concurrent connections
[10:34] <Arenlor> woof woof
[10:34] <immk> symmetria: maybe, oh well, I'll check again in like two hours.
[10:34] <patifa> btw HorizonXP, there doesn't seem to be an easy way yet to assign different languages to different accounts
[10:34]  * ripps pets Arenlor
[10:34] <Symmetria> HorizonXP considering that we're running 900 established and its not even released yet
[10:34] <theunixgeek> Where's Hardy!? :S
[10:34] <Symmetria> :p
[10:35] <Arenlor> !isitout | theunixgeek
[10:35] <ubotu> theunixgeek: The answer is always that it will release when the release manager says so, which is generally down to how exact order of events works out on the day and is hard for anyone (including the release manager) to put an exact time on in advance.  However, rest assured that it will be out before the clock hits 23:59:59 on Baker and Howland Islands.  Until then, please stop asking.
[10:35] <theunixgeek> lol
[10:38] <JPSman> so I go to rmmod rt2500pci and is says "ERROR: Module rt2500pci does not exist in /proc/modules"
[10:38] <JPSman> is this because 8.04 puts the wireless mods in the kernel library?
[10:39] <JPSman> and rmmod is out of date?
[10:39] <dystopianray> JPSman: most likely you simply don't have that module loaded
[10:40] <JPSman> how do I determine which module I do have loaded?  what command?
[10:40] <Wutz> Does anyone agree with the questionable firefox beta and wubi being released with a LTS release?
[10:40] <HorizonXP> patifa: yeah, not really as far as I can see
[10:40] <HorizonXP> you have to do it from GDM
[10:41] <AnswerGuy> So, the countdown has stopped and the counter is now just saying "coming soon"
[10:41] <ripps> Meh, Firefox beta works fine, it's the incompatible extensions and themes that get to me
[10:41] <JPSman> the cake is a lie AnswerGuy
[10:41] <Wutz> what about wubi? it has had many problems in the past
[10:41] <Symmetria> heh wutz yes, it makes sense, because firefox 3 RC1 and full release are out shortly, and the beta will prompt for upgrades to rc/full release, where as if they went with 2.x it wouldnt auto-upgrade to 3
[10:42] <Symmetria> and the installed version would go end of life long before the end of the ubuntu LTS period
[10:42] <AnswerGuy> Cake?
[10:42] <Symmetria> so version 3 makes perfect sense
[10:42] <Wutz> firefox version 2 WILL ask to update as well
[10:42] <aTheresNoETA> i thought ubuntu would turn that off, and make sure its done through the package system
[10:43] <dystopianray> yes firefox updates are disabled
[10:43] <dystopianray> it will only update through apt
[10:43] <Symmetria> dystopianray hrm, didnt realize they had done that
[10:43] <ripps> I use swiftfox-athlon-xp, which is basically firefox 3pre1
[10:43] <dystopianray> Symmetria: most distros do it
[10:43] <ripps> Works perfectly fine
[10:43] <Symmetria> *shrug* version 3 RC1 is due out in the next day or 2 anyway
[10:44] <Symmetria> I just hope mozilla isnt dumb enough to release it today
[10:44] <xngear> LTS status is overrated
[10:44] <Symmetria> that would seriously annoy me
[10:44] <JPSman> What command can i use to determine what modules I have loaded?
[10:44] <dystopianray> JPSman: lsmod
[10:44] <ripps> LTS is only meaningful to people who maintain servers or public machines
[10:44] <JPSman> Thank you
[10:44] <Wutz> At ftp://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/.pool/ there is this release "ubuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.iso  	715898 KB  	23/04/2008  	1:03:00 AM" released just yesterday, is this the beta or what??
[10:45] <dystopianray> lol
[10:45] <dystopianray> harsh
[10:45] <xngear> hacker down
[10:46] <ripps> Huh? what just happened?
[10:46] <dystopianray> Wutz got kicked and banned for posting a url to isos
[10:47] <HorizonXP> what's wrong with that?
[10:47] <dystopianray> well it slows down the official release for everyone
[10:48] <HorizonXP> ok, valid, but I don't think that was a stated rule
[10:48] <HorizonXP> nor do I think a ban was necessary; a warning, sure
[10:48] <xngear> rules are for suckers
[10:48] <quentusrex> how would posting the link slow down the official release for everyone?
[10:49] <HorizonXP> besides, he already posted the link. not like it's gonna undo that
[10:49] <aTheresNoETA> quentusrex: they have one master server, if everyone uses the master server, its lagged
[10:49] <techno_freak> but how is it assumed that people know this rule?
[10:50] <aTheresNoETA> well
[10:50] <HorizonXP> ﻿quentusrex: and I think all the mirrors pull their copy from the master. so I think they're waiting for it to propagate
[10:50] <thefish> is 804 released, just not on all servers?
[10:50] <HorizonXP> techno_freak: that's what I'm wondering too
[10:50] <aTheresNoETA> ftp://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/.pool/index.html asks you politely
[10:50] <techno_freak> omg
[10:50]  * AnswerGuy is guessing that they're waiting until the mirrors get it before they pull the trigger on the mass of downloaders
[10:50] <nanonyme> Couldn't they just temporarily limit server to only allow stuff for mirrors?
[10:51] <HorizonXP> wth
[10:51] <mte_> hi.. is there *any* difference between installing the RC + apt-get upgrade and installing the release?
[10:51] <HorizonXP> is it automatic?
[10:51] <HorizonXP> the bans?
[10:51] <nanonyme> Seveas: How about adding the text in that file to join messages on this channel?
[10:51] <techno_freak> nanonyme, +1
[10:52] <techno_freak> at least put that in the /topic
[10:52] <HorizonXP> yeah exactly
[10:52] <RAOF> mte_: Unless there have been installer changes since the RC, no.
[10:52] <nanonyme> Quite long for a topic.
[10:52] <nanonyme> ChanServ join message might do it.
[10:52] <mte_> RAOF: thanks
[10:52] <techno_freak> "do not post links to ubuntu iso" is not long, imho ;)
[10:52] <KyleK> Seveas: :p
[10:53] <ripps> Technically speaking, there's no difference between the RC and Official 8.04, RC only requires additional updates
[10:53] <HorizonXP> I think Seveas is just a bot that monitors chatter for links to that site, and bans accordingly
[10:53] <KyleK> yea
[10:53] <JPSman> what does it mean if (when using lsmod) a mod is used by 0  ?
[10:53] <Seveas> HorizonXP, beware :p
[10:53] <KyleK> HorizonXP: well there is a person, probably just added some bot stuff to his client
[10:53] <techno_freak> heh
[10:54] <AnswerGuy> JPSman sounds like there are no modules "stacked" on it --- nothing depends on its symbols; so it can be removed (when not in use by userspace)
[10:54] <negge^> ripps: I got a bunch of updates today (69 I think), I've previously used the RC. Does this mean I now have the final stable version?
[10:54] <HorizonXP> Seveas: lol. seriously though, what's with the bans? A warning doesn't suffice?
[10:54] <RAOF> Seveas: How's your turing bot coming along? :)
[10:54] <JPSman> Hrm, thanks
[10:54] <KyleK> Seveas: yea, whats the deal with those bans anyways?
[10:54] <Symmetria> negge no, it doesnt mean that at all
[10:54] <ripps> ...depends if they release a couple more updates between now and the "Official" release
[10:54] <Seveas> HorizonXP, it's madness on release day. We're a bit more strict
[10:55] <Seveas> you should see #ubuntu-release-party
[10:55]  * hmuller notices the fog of craziness in the air
[10:55] <HorizonXP> really?
[10:55] <HorizonXP> I'm gonna go check it out :)
[10:55] <zcat[1]> where do I change the default player that starts when I insert a DVD?
[10:55] <BLimitz> hmm so there is a mirror that leaked 8.04 O_o
[10:56] <Symmetria> heh there is a need for it, everyone involved in the release from the core cannonical team to the guys running the mirror servers are under enough strain to see that it goes well without tolerating people breaking other rules :)
[10:56] <KyleK> no, someones been linking the master mirror
[10:56] <KyleK> and I linked the index.html and got banned :(
[10:56] <ripps> Ubuntu.com still says "Coming Soon"
[10:56] <BLimitz> me too lmao
[10:56] <zcat[1]> I just updated, by all appearances I'm running hardy now
[10:56] <BLimitz> i'm actually downloading 8.04 final release right now
[10:56] <zcat[1]> where do I change the default player that starts when I insert a DVD?
[10:57] <KyleK> check under settings somewhere? ;)
[10:57] <BLimitz> looks like there is either a admin or a bot banning who ever says that link
[10:57] <zcat[1]> used to be on removable drives and media.. but I can't find the option now
[10:57] <ripps> Will this channel be deleted once 8.04 is released?
[10:57] <KyleK> Seveas: so how long am I banned for?
[10:57] <Symmetria> errr BLimitz no, you are downloading what you *ASSUME* to be the final release, that doesnt mean it is
[10:57] <nanonyme> ripps: Temporarily closed.
[10:57] <Seveas> KyleK, your aTheresNoEta? I unbanned that
[10:57] <Laser87> zcat[1]: system - applications - removable drives - or something like that (German ubuntu)
[10:57] <zcat[1]> ripps: this channel becomes for ibex I think.. eventually anyhow
[10:58] <topyli> ripps: until there actually is an ubuntu+1 distribution to talk about
[10:58] <BLimitz> Symmentria; if it wasnt i wouldnt be banned for saying the link
[10:58] <zcat[1]> Laser87: yes, that's where it USED to be :(
[10:58] <aTheresNoETA> yay
[10:59] <zcat[1]> BLimitz: don't bet on it, I got banned last year for posting a completely fake (404) link
[10:59] <Laser87> zcat[1]: u r right - it changed in Hardy, just looked
[10:59] <BLimitz> i'm willing to bet it is, this is exactly what happened to me with 7.10
[10:59] <ripps> Has the TV Tuner HAL glitch been fixed yet?
[10:59] <quentusrex> what is going to happen to this channel when 8.04 is released?
[10:59] <techno_freak> aTheresNoETA, ahem ahem... welcome back
[10:59] <KyleK> dude scroll up
[10:59] <zcat[1]> probably have to dig through gconf-editor now...
[11:00] <nanonyme> Also why is this channel's future suddendly such a big issue?
[11:00] <KyleK> quentusrex: you're asking what we're talking about
[11:00] <KyleK> nanonyme: the elitism of being in +1
[11:00] <zcat[1]> BLimitz: if you download from the master server, you're simply delaying the release for everyone else because the mirrors are updated slower
[11:00] <quentusrex> but when does ibex chatter start? and hardy end?
[11:00] <techno_freak> nanonyme, may be he plans to take over this channel ;)
[11:00] <KyleK> nanonyme: if there was a +2 it'd be the thing
[11:00] <nanonyme> quentusrex: It starts when the summits are done, probably.
[11:00] <BLimitz> well kinda too late then, i'm done
[11:01] <zcat[1]> When will Intreped Beta1 be released? :)
[11:01] <BLimitz> didnt know it worked like that tho
[11:01] <KyleK> oh it'll be called ibex? good I dont have to guess at the name any more
[11:01] <ripps> quentusrex: When betas for Ibex pop up
[11:01] <zcat[1]> Hardy's old already.. I wanna upgrade to Intrepid already!
[11:01] <ripps> I still wish they called it "Itchy Iquana"
[11:01]  * techno_freak wonders why people start speaking about ibex beta when hardy itself is not out fully
[11:02] <quentusrex> haha
[11:02] <quentusrex> good point techno_freak
[11:02] <hmuller> I like Irate Iguana better
[11:02] <nanonyme> Irritated?
[11:02] <hmuller> not good marketing tho
[11:02] <quentusrex> indiginous iguana
[11:02] <hmuller> personally? no
[11:02] <quentusrex> :)
[11:02] <ripps> I don't even know what an Ibex is
[11:03] <zcat[1]> So nobody knows how to change the default DVD player?
[11:03] <zcat[1]> some kind of lizard I think
[11:03] <nanonyme> techno_freak: Ubuntu community owns all #ubuntu* channels anyway, takeovers would make no sense.
[11:03] <ripps> And how do you pronounce it?
[11:03] <quentusrex> an ibex? i thought it was a bird
[11:03] <Laser87> zcat[1]: got it! now it's where u can handle the behavior of nautilus
[11:03] <techno_freak> nanonyme, that was j/k dude :)
[11:03] <techno_freak> ripps, brave wild goat
[11:04] <zcat[1]> "a type of wild mountain goat with large recurved horns"
[11:04] <zcat[1]> yay wikipedia
[11:04] <nanonyme> Yeah, assumed so. Just thought to mention Freenode staff would hand the channel right back. :)
[11:04] <zcat[1]> so basically it's a GNU
[11:04] <techno_freak> zcat[1], no :P
[11:04] <zcat[1]> well, no.. not really
[11:05] <quentusrex> nanonyme, that's not true about the ubuntu* channels
[11:05]  * Laser87 should install an English ubuntu
[11:05] <quentusrex> the ubuntu community may own all the important ones, and probably many more, but it doesn't own them all
[11:05] <vlt> Hello. I have downloaded the current RC iso. Is there any way to download some kind of diff/patch file to turn the RC iso into stable (when it's finally out) w/o downloading the whole new iso?
[11:05] <zcat[1]> vlt: no
[11:06] <quentusrex> vlt, why not just install the rc iso, and update from there?
[11:06] <vlt> zcat[1]: ok
[11:06] <nanonyme> quentusrex: They effectively own them all. You make a new #ubuntu-* channel, Freenode staff hands it to Ubuntu community ops.
[11:06] <Laser87> vlt: just upgrade
[11:06] <techno_freak> vlt, whole new iso? why not just upgrade?
[11:06] <BLimitz> install and upgrade it
[11:06] <nanonyme> quentusrex: Whole #ubuntu* namespace is reserved.
[11:06] <quentusrex> nanonyme, join #ubuntuquentusrex
[11:06] <hmuller> The final release just gives you that feeling of 'freshness'
[11:06] <Laser87> zcat[1]: found the option to change your DVD player?
[11:07] <vlt> Yes, that would work, I know. I just wanted to know if there exists a way to to it ....
[11:07] <zcat[1]> nope
[11:07] <BLimitz> #ubuntudsfsdklfhjklsdahfjsaklasasd
[11:07] <BLimitz> lol
[11:07] <hmuller> upgrading from RC just leaves you feeling 'dirty'
[11:07] <Laser87> zcat[1]: now it's where u can handle the behavior of nautilus
[11:07] <BLimitz> hmuller: how so?
[11:07] <zcat[1]> vlt: take apart the ISO, update the changed packages, rebuild the ISO.... probably wouldn't work even
[11:07] <mludi> hello, i got a strange problem that mount will not mount windows shares from a win2003server. message "error 5". also i read it is possible to use -t smbfs instead which is supposed to help, but for me it does not.
[11:07] <Wilbert> Aaah a fresh ubuntu for breakfast
[11:08] <hmuller> BLimitz: Your literalness is running a little high, there was a bit of humor in there somewhere =)
[11:08] <zcat[1]> Laser87: I think somewhere in gconf-editor .. just have to dig a little
[11:08] <noble-> is it recommended to backup your 7.10 before updating to 8.04?
[11:08] <KyleK> sure
[11:08] <Wilbert> no
[11:08] <vlt> zcat[1]: Ok, thank you.
[11:08] <zcat[1]> I really hate this mad rush to remove all possible options from gnome.
[11:08] <BLimitz> hmuller: i guess so lol
[11:08] <Laser87> zcat[1]: please read what I wrote: now it's where u can handle the behavior of nautilus
[11:08] <nanonyme> quentusrex: Would very possibly be closed per request.
[11:08] <techno_freak> i see a lot of entertainment in #ubuntu-release-party ;)
[11:09] <zcat[1]> Laser87: sorry, what is?
[11:09] <KyleK> noble-: backups are good, even if its not for breaking your OS :)
[11:09] <Laser87> zcat[1]: go to nautilus, then preferences - there u find it
[11:09] <noble-> what's the best way to backup in ubuntu?
[11:09] <Wilbert> Life is hard when u r waiting for the final release off Hardy
[11:10] <zcat[1]> aaah, thankyou!
[11:10] <Laser87> np
[11:11] <Laser87> wanted to know it by myself *g*
[11:11] <zcat[1]> BUT only options are movie player, open folder, or nothing.. how to I change it to use vnc instead of default player?
[11:11] <ripps> So, is the official release already available on the master server. So there just waiting for the mirrors to get it before calling it?
[11:12] <KyleK> whats the rush?
[11:13] <m0u5e> cheers for hardy release today in a few hours
[11:13] <KyleK> I'm running 8.04 already so I dont need the iso until I need a livecd
[11:13] <Laser87> indeed...
[11:13] <m0u5e> KyleK: I am also running 8.04, but today is the official release :)
[11:13] <zcat[1]> even preferred applications only has option for music, no option for preferred movie player
[11:14] <zcat[1]> this is bloody annoying, why does ubuntu keep hiding options from me!!
[11:14] <ripps> Preferred Movie Players: GMplayer, Totem-Xine, VLC
[11:14] <zcat[1]> I have less options and have to dig deeper to find them with every release!
[11:15] <zcat[1]> ripps: where?
[11:15] <ripps> I set it up indivually in Nautilus
[11:15] <zcat[1]> ???
[11:15] <zcat[1]> ripps: How do I make a DVD play in vlc now?
[11:16] <slytherin> zcat[1]: you mean play automatically?
[11:16] <ripps> Mplayer for mp4,mkv,rm,dvd; Totem-Xine for WMV,AVI; VLC for whatever I can't get working with the rest
[11:16] <zcat[1]> And why do I even have to ask here? I thought ubuntu was aiming to make things more intuative. I know exactly where I would expect to find it.. and it's not there!!
[11:17] <zcat[1]> When I insert a DVD it plays in movie player.... The options I have are movie player, open as a data disk, or do nothing..... why can I not have it play in vlc on insertion?
[11:18] <zcat[1]> Where is that option hidden. WHY!!! is that option hidden?
[11:18] <quentusrex> any does gstreamer fail to properly play videos? It's just started recently. It plays them at 1/100th speed or something...
[11:18] <slytherin> ripps: In my opinion totem works for everything except DVD (only partial support) and VCD.
[11:18] <zcat[1]> but I DO NOT WANT to use totem!!!!
[11:18] <slytherin> quentusrex: Someone was reporting similar problem here yesterday about mpg and mov. He was having intel 915 card
[11:18] <quentusrex> I have a nvidia card, very new
[11:18] <ripps> Totem-gsteamer = suck. Totem-xine = not suck.
[11:19] <slytherin> zcat[1]: Please do not use all caps. It indicates shouting and is considered bad manners.
[11:19] <zcat[1]> totem == do not want!!
[11:19] <slytherin> ripps: in what sense totem-gsrteamer suck?
[11:19] <ripps> 'cause gstreamer sucks with video
[11:19] <zcat[1]> slytherin: I am shouting. I am angry. I want the options to play a DVD in something other than totem BACK. The option used to be there, now it has gone.
[11:20] <zcat[1]> why do ubuntu developers keep taking options away from me?
[11:20] <slytherin> zcat[1]: Open your home folder, go to edit-?preferences->media
[11:20] <ripps> VLC should work well with DVD's
[11:21] <zcat[1]> options are "ask" or "open" or "do nothing" or "movie player" --- no other options, no choose my oen program
[11:21] <zcat[1]> slytherin: where is option for vlc?
[11:21] <ripps> Yeah, why can't we choose our own apps in Nautius media preferences
[11:21] <Fyl0n> FUCK THAT!
[11:22] <zcat[1]> this is really bothering me..
[11:22] <zcat[1]> a lot
[11:22] <zcat[1]> Is there somewhere in gconf-editor that I can change this option?
[11:22] <ripps> Nothing will be done automatically. You open VLC and File->Open Disc
[11:22] <zcat[1]> or anywhere?
[11:23] <slytherin> zcat[1]: file a bug, I can not help much as I don't use vlc. I just thought the option should be there
[11:23] <zcat[1]> Do I need to get the source and recompile nautilus just to get that option back?!!!
[11:23] <zcat[1]> slytherin: they will ignore me because it is not a bug, it is a deliberate decision to remove options and dumb the system down
[11:24] <zcat[1]> this really sucks
[11:24] <slytherin> zcat[1]: What the heck is that. Who told you it was deliberate decision? Do you have a link to any page that states that?
[11:25] <zcat[1]> slytherin: Every release I seem to have less and less options... I lost the ability to configure any of the screensavers about edgy or so...
[11:26] <Laser87> even if xmms is the standard audio player you cannot choose it when inserting an audio cd...
[11:26] <slytherin> zcat[1]: and do you think not telling anyone about problem is automatically going to solve it?
[11:26] <zcat[1]> Now I seem to have lost the ability to choose my preferred media player
[11:26] <slytherin> Laser87: xmms is not in hardy repositories anymore. So it is a different story
[11:26] <zcat[1]> I filed a bug about the screensavers not having any way of configuring the options, I was told that made things 'less confusing' for people
[11:27] <ripps> 'less confusing' is the Gnome mantra
[11:27] <slytherin> zcat[1]: In my personal opinion, this is not the same for problem you are facing
[11:28] <zcat[1]> slytherin: I bet it is.. I bet this is a deliberate 'less confusing options' decision someone made for me
[11:28] <Laser87> slytherin: ok, but I use xmms under hardy
[11:28] <HetaUma> there are not emerald themes on hardy ?
[11:28] <ripps> Even Linus Torvold agrees that Gnome is "dumbing down" a little too much
[11:28] <slytherin> Laser87: It must be a local package now.
[11:28] <zcat[1]> HetaUma: there are if you install and use emeraly
[11:28] <zcat[1]> *emerald
[11:29] <peter_me> hardy final bittorrent iso's are now in the air. :) Speeds > 1mb/s download. Nice! Guess the release will be imminent.
[11:29] <slytherin> zcat[1]: by the way, since you have installed vlc have you restarted nautilus?
[11:29] <techno_freak> zcat[1], there is a custom option in preferred applications for multimedia, what happens if you give vlc as the custom player?
[11:29] <dystopianray> peter_me: where are the torrents?
[11:29] <HetaUma> zcat[1], did that but there are no themes? I should download themes one by one ?
[11:30] <techno_freak> slytherin, you have to give VLC as custom defined media player
[11:30] <slytherin> HetaUma: do you have emerald selected as window manager?
[11:30] <Laser87> slytherin: and the same is when totem is the standard music player
[11:30] <zcat[1]> slytherin: I have had vlc on here for a month...
[11:30] <HetaUma> slytherin, yes but there are no themes to select from
[11:30] <techno_freak> zcat[1], i have VLC, it doesn't come in the list but it works for me with the custom settings
[11:30] <Laser87> techno_freak: u cannot define vlc is standard movie player
[11:31] <zcat[1]> techno_freak: 'custom' as in?
[11:31] <slytherin> HetaUma: I remember I could do it sometime back, but I don not have it installed as of now.
[11:31] <zcat[1]> I can play DVD's in vlc just fine.. I want vlc to be the player that starts automatically when I insert a DVD
[11:31] <techno_freak> zcat[1], in the preferred applications --> multimedia,there is a third option called custom and a text area to specify the command, give vlc in that
[11:31] <HetaUma> slytherin, on 7.04 there was a packages called emerald-themes that had quite few themes. now there is no such package on hardy
[11:32] <techno_freak> slytherin, is HetaUma talking about themes in emerald?
[11:32] <Laser87> techno_freak: right, but you cannot seperate between audio and movie...
[11:32] <slytherin> techno_freak: yes
[11:32] <HetaUma> techno_freak, yes
[11:32] <techno_freak> Laser87, ahh
[11:32] <peter_me> torrents can be found here: ftp://ubuntu.mirror.ac.za/ubuntu-release/8.04  (but don't download the iso files, since they still need to be mirrored, so that would delay the release)
[11:33] <techno_freak> slytherin, emerald has a bug, even my previous external themes dont work, i have filed a bug
[11:33] <peter_me> dystopianray: that was for you :)
[11:33] <Laser87> techno_freak: and still after changing you cannot make it, that vlc orn any other will start up when inserting a movie dvd
[11:33] <dystopianray> peter_me: ah I already found a torrent anyway :p I'm seeding kubuntu now
[11:33] <Painkiller> I know that maybe this question has already been asked. But where can I get the 8.04 DVD?
[11:33] <zcat[1]> OIC: there's only 'multimedia' -- I can't choose different options for CD player and DVD player any more
[11:34] <slytherin> zcat[1]: I think you didn't understand it properly. Add vlc as third player and then use it in nautilus preferences.
[11:35] <Fdisk93> hardy 8.04 is on a few of the mirrors now
[11:35] <Laser87> slytherin: that does not work when inserting a movie dvd
[11:35] <zcat[1]> slytherin: hmmmm.. and this is more intuative? Yeah, I think I see how it works now... but it's really far from obvious to me!
[11:36] <slytherin> zcat[1]: yes, I agree on that. And that is the reason I told you to file a bug.
[11:36] <quentusrex> slytherin, I think I've found something about the video playing problem. It works fine after 30 minutes of just sitting on the hard drive...
[11:36] <slytherin> Laser87: Sorry, I am just trying to make sense of what techno_freak said. I have no idea if it works or not.
[11:37] <zcat[1]> slytherin: Nope... doesn't work that way..
[11:37] <Laser87> slytherin: *g* I tried it all in real time :-)
[11:37] <aaron_> somg
[11:37] <aaron_> right so on gutsy 64 bitand upgraded to hardy
[11:38] <Laibsch> Hi, congratulations for the imminent release.  I took the plunge and I dislike FF3 because a lot of the plugins I use don't work.  Going back to FF2 those plugins are there but I cannot enable them anymore.  Solution?
[11:38] <aaron_> cant get nvidia working
[11:38] <zcat[1]> slytherin: there are only three possible options, I've changed it to 'custom' and put vlc in the box (you can't 'add' more players, you can just have a 'custom' one as your default player for everything it seems) and it's still using totem
[11:38] <aaron_> even when the driver is in glx-new or just glx the hardware dealio doesnt even see em
[11:38] <aaron_> helpzorz?
[11:38] <slytherin> zcat[1]: can't help much
[11:38] <zcat[1]> so it is unintuative, limited, and broken as well...
[11:39] <slytherin> Laibsch: any screenshot?
[11:39] <Laser87> anyhow - have to leave
[11:39] <zcat[1]> why do they have to keep 'sixing' things that aren't broken in the first place?!!
[11:39] <zcat[1]> *fixing
[11:39] <aaron_> rawr>?
[11:40] <aaron_> zcat[1], its a feature
[11:40] <zcat[1]> shut up limey
[11:40] <aaron_> lol
[11:40] <aaron_> limey?
[11:40] <zcat[1]> not?
[11:40] <aaron_> wow wrong continent
[11:40] <Laibsch> slytherin: I can make one, but I assume the description should be easier.  I have the relevant plugins greyed out in "tools - add ons".  clicking on enable does nothing.
[11:40] <slytherin> Laibsch: how did you launch FF2?
[11:41] <Laibsch> Gnome menu entry
[11:41] <peabody> How do I add software like Firefox 3 Beta using Adept?
[11:41] <Laibsch> slytherin: I believe that is calling "firefox-2 %u"
[11:42] <ripps> In order to enable old extensions that don't work in FF3, install Nightly Tester Tools, and you can force already installed extensions to become compatible
[11:42] <slytherin> Laibsch: hmm, weird problem you have got. Any chance you are running both FF3 and FF2 simultaneously and using same profile?
[11:43] <zcat[1]> so why couldn't the just LEAVE the DVD / VCD / CD option in removable drives and media like it was?!!
[11:43] <Laibsch> I don't think so.  But I'll log out and back in soon just to be sure.
[11:43] <slytherin> zcat[1]: This is community support channel. I doubt any of the developers are here to listen to your complaints
[11:43] <Laibsch> slytherin: thanks for your help so far
[11:44] <topyli> zcat[1]: bugs.launchpad.org is the correct address for such complaints
[11:45] <topyli> with less caps and exclamations it might be taken more seriously too :)
[11:46] <vega--> wonder why some mirrors don't keep the iso's hidden until the release
[11:46] <zcat[1]> topyli: try .net
[11:47] <topyli> yeah even better :)
[11:47] <zcat[1]> filing a bug, I'll probably get told it's a deliberate feature again.. I am only one more 'feature' away from switching to kde :(
[11:47] <Painkiller> how long do we have to wait till we can get our hands in the DVD iso?
[11:47] <Fazer> if you download iso before official release announcement, you may end up with broken image
[11:48] <Cameron> Fazer: I find that hard to believe.. you would more likely end up with an old image.
[11:48] <topyli> zcat[1]: of course it's deliberate, they didn't change by accident. you can try to convince them it was a bad desicion though
[11:49] <vega--> Fazer: don't think so
[11:50] <slytherin> Cameron: vega--: What is Fazer said is correct. Ususally the mirrors are synced using rsync. So before official announcement you are likely to end up with broken image
[11:51] <Siropel> Hardy Heroin Rulz!
[11:51] <Laser87> zcat[1]: workaround: add to panel something like vlc /media/dvdrecorder - so it's just one mouseclick
[11:51] <Cameron> slytherin: well that is a pretty crappy way to update the mirrors.. they should rsync to a private or hidden folder, then switch folders over so that its not possible to download a partial image
[11:52] <inf_> I'm having a few probs with the upgrade, diff probs on two dif machines... sigh
[11:52] <vega--> Cameron: exactly
[11:52] <slytherin> Cameron: I might be wrong in my understanding how it works. Anyway i don't make the decision.
[11:53] <Fazer> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=763394 - I saw a link posted on a blog post / forum thread to a page under the cdimage.ubuntu.com domain where the release ISO seems to be available, and/or a wiki page with links, and/or a page on the Ubuntu website that announces the release. Does that mean that 8.04 has been released?
[11:53] <Fazer> Not necessarily. The disk images may be visible on the website a certain time before release; that doesn't mean they're up to date and safe to download. Certain pages on the Ubuntu website can be put online a while before release for testing, passing on to the news media or other purposes; that doesn't necessarily mean the release is out.
[11:53] <Fazer> The "green light" you should be waiting for is the release announcement (see the above question).
[11:53] <vega--> anyway, md5sums are there, so it's pretty easy to check if the iso is ok
[11:53] <inf_> one is hopefully simple. firefox3 doesn't pick up any of my bookmarks / settings. and if I open up 'addons' it crashes
[11:53] <inf_> i installed firefox-2 but I just get a segmenation fault when I start it
[11:54] <Cameron> is it possible to use rsync to download the images ?  if so, you can just re-try the download later to get the last few bytes :)
[11:54] <slytherin> inf_: I think you have got broken/partial upgrade
[11:54] <inf_> arse
[11:54] <vega--> Cameron: that depends on the site, very few provide rsync nowadays i think
[11:54] <inf_> shouldn't have tried to cheat
[11:54] <vega--> the iso image i downloaded seems to be just fine according to md5sum
[11:55] <slytherin> Cameron: I heard you can do it. Never tried it though. I usually use jigdo for alternate CD images. It should also work for DVD images.
[11:55] <Assid> no
[11:55] <inf_> changed all the 'gutsy' references to 'hardy' and did and apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:55] <Assid> dunno
[11:55] <Cameron> slytherin: i've never tried jigdo
[11:55] <vega--> inf_: it is recommended to use the update manager instead of the command line
[11:55] <slytherin> inf_: you first did apt-get update right?
[11:55] <inf_> yeh I did
[11:55] <ripps> inf_: update-manager -d, USE IT
[11:55] <slytherin> inf_ and have you restarted since upgrade to hardy?
[11:56] <inf_> I didn't realise it would cause problems
[11:56] <inf_> yes multiple times ;)
[11:56] <ch_> anyone else noticed that releases.ubuntu.com has now updated and is not saying "release candidate" any more?
[11:56] <stdin> doesn't mean it's official yet
[11:57] <mvo> inf_: if you ran the gui upgrade and it gave you problems, please report a bug and attach the files in /var/log/dist-upgrade to the report
[11:57] <Cameron> slytherin: where can you get the jigdo cd image urls for ubuntu from ?
[11:57] <slytherin> Cameron: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[11:57] <slytherin> Cameron: the command is 'jigdo-lite url.jigdo'
[11:58] <inf_> on my other box I did this same, and for some reason it's failing to mount my home dir and won't log in
[11:58] <Cameron> slytherin: I don't have jigdo-lite .. and its not in the repo
[11:58] <inf_> i've used a knoppix live cd to check the data and it's all there!
[11:58] <mvo> inf_: please report a bug and attach the logs of the upgrade
[11:58] <vega--> inf_: is your /home a separate partition?
[11:59] <slytherin> Cameron: jigdo-lite is command, the package is jigdo-file
[11:59] <slytherin> Cameron: ﻿it will then download the template, you can use packages from existing image which is mounted somewhere and from /var/cache/apt/archive and then specify mirror to download remaining packages.
[12:00] <Cameron> slytherin: nice
[12:01] <zappy> hey
[12:01] <slytherin> Cameron: Please note that it is alternate CD iso. The one with text installer and which can be used for upgrades. Desktop CD (Live + GUI installer) isos don't have jigdo downloads.
[12:01] <zappy> hello everybody
[12:01] <inf_> vega--, yes it is
[12:01] <anonymouse> !isitout
[12:01] <ubotu> The answer is always that it will release when the release manager says so, which is generally down to how exact order of events works out on the day and is hard for anyone (including the release manager) to put an exact time on in advance.  However, rest assured that it will be out before the clock hits 23:59:59 on Baker and Howland Islands.  Until then, please stop asking.
[12:01] <Cameron> slytherin: that's cool.. I need the alternative.. I use lvm
[12:01] <Fdisk93> is there a way to make ubuntu use the rt kernal like ubuntustudio ?
[12:02] <zappy> ive a question
[12:02] <zappy> plz
[12:02] <scizzo-> zappy: just ask
[12:02] <zappy> ok ty
[12:02] <zappy> so
[12:02] <scizzo-> zappy: dont ask to ask...just ask
[12:03] <zappy> i logged on the ubuntu room
[12:03] <zappy> not this
[12:03] <zappy> and asked
[12:03] <ripps> I'm using the rt kernel right now
[12:03] <zappy> when the new ubuntu will be released
[12:03] <ripps> just install linux-image-rt
[12:03] <zappy> and a man qnswer me
[12:03] <zappy> to ceck aut an
[12:03] <zappy> to check out an
[12:03] <zappy> ftp site
[12:03] <scizzo-> zappy: read what ubotu said before
[12:04] <zappy> :( sorry
[12:04] <zappy> however...i checked out that website...and there are all the ubuntu version...
[12:04] <zappy> also the new release...the 8.04 both the server and the desktop
[12:04] <b13> what is the GMT at Howland Island?
[12:05] <zappy> for amd and intel
[12:05] <scizzo-> zappy: what exactly is the question?
[12:05] <zappy> con i download it?
[12:05] <zappy> can i donwload it?
[12:05] <zappy> :|
[12:05] <scizzo-> zappy: yes....why not?
[12:05] <inf_> so I guess my safest bet will be to wait until it hits the update-manager and see how much it fixes everything
[12:06] <peabody> How do I add software like Firefox 3 Beta using Adept?
[12:06] <ripps> THERE IS NO "OFFICIAL" RELEASE OF 8.04. STOP ASKING!
[12:06] <zappy> maybe 'coz the 8.04 isn't been released officialy
[12:06] <inf_> on the other box if I can't get network up, I use the alternative install CD? will the normal iso do upgrades?
[12:06] <b13> what is the GMT at Howland Island?
[12:06] <prateek> GMT is the same everywhere.
[12:07] <Wilbert> downloading release now :)
[12:07] <zcat[1]> ok, I have filed bugs on both the 'default dvd player' and 'screensavers have no options' bugs, lets see what happens..
[12:07] <b13> comon you know what i mean
[12:07] <mvo> inf_: the alternative CD will support upgrading
[12:07] <inf_> Current local time in Baker Island : Wednesday, 23 Apr 2008 11:07 PM
[12:07] <vega--> b13: -12h :)
[12:07] <mindframe> how can i get my dell d520 to properly display its native resolution (1400x1050)?  Whenever I set it to that parts of the desktop are cut off.
[12:07] <inf_> I think they're implying patience ;)
[12:07] <b13> and i'm in +2
[12:07] <ripps> zcat[1]: what's the link?
[12:08] <destinrayn> hi there
[12:08] <zcat[1]> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-screensaver/+bug/221331 is one..
[12:08] <Wilbert> http://nl.releases.ubuntu.com/8.04/
[12:08] <destinrayn> i just wanted to ask, if 8.04 has been delayed or if the "new" countdown picture just means that it will be released in less than a day
[12:08] <zcat[1]> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/221330 is hte other
[12:09] <zappy> @destinrayn...in less than a day
[12:09] <zcat[1]> and I'm sure they only changed that recently too ...
[12:10] <destinrayn> oh cool, thanks
[12:11] <destinrayn> so maybe i've got something to do tonight :)
[12:11] <noip> Does anyone have the link to the hardy RC kubuntu KDE4 version? All sites seems to have crashed... :(
[12:11] <noip> Oh, 64 version
[12:11] <noip> And I mean the torrent...
[12:11] <destinrayn> thank you, bye
[12:13] <blablobla> hello?
[12:13] <immesys> is it out?
[12:13] <blablobla> donno...
[12:13] <ripps> !isitout | immesys
[12:14] <ripps> where's ubuto?
[12:14] <blablobla> why is it taking them so long ?! :(
[12:14] <immesys> *sighs
[12:14] <scizzo-> ripps: connection reset by peer
[12:14] <immesys> it is taking long...
[12:14] <blablobla> they should have said on the 25th ...
[12:14] <scizzo-> the day is not over yet......there is no official release done yet....the release will be out before 23:59:59 tonight
[12:15] <noip> which time zone?
[12:15] <immesys> Is that GMT ?
[12:15] <coz_> i am noticing that gedit opens and saves very slowly  anyone else experience this?
[12:15] <vega--> blablobla: yea, and then on 00:01 on the 25th you'd be here whining "where is it"
[12:15] <aguitel> final is over !!!!!!!!
[12:15] <aguitel> see that :http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/
[12:16] <stdin> no, it's not
[12:16] <blablobla> thats not official
[12:16] <immesys> yeah.. actually it looks like it is out!!!
[12:16] <blablobla> u can download, but its not official
[12:16] <stdin> lies all LIES
[12:16] <immesys> what does that mean?
[12:16] <blablobla> read this
[12:16] <blablobla> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=763394
[12:17] <roemer> it means you can get an corrupted iso
[12:17] <aguitel> stdin: what is the official download site ?
[12:17] <blablobla> I saw a link posted on a blog post / forum thread to a page under the cdimage.ubuntu.com domain where the release ISO seems to be available, and/or a wiki page with links, and/or a page on the Ubuntu website that announces the release. Does that mean that 8.04 has been released?
[12:17] <inf_> http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04/
[12:17] <vega--> it's really silly that iso's looking real start appearing here and there, they should be hidden
[12:17] <stdin> !ops | link spam
[12:17] <stdin> uhh
[12:17] <pengo> "(21:12:02) cjwatson: kahrytan: generally we remove the "rc" bit in the relevant scripts shortly after the release candidate, and there's a week's gap in there"
[12:18] <kahrytan> pengo->  i heard.
[12:18] <aguitel> what cersion from firefox come with hardy final ?
[12:18] <Amaranth> No links!
[12:18] <pengo> kahrytan: sorry was for others' benefit
[12:19] <Amaranth> stdin: bang bang :)
[12:19] <zcat[1]> 1591 users on #ubuntu .. highest I've seen, I think
[12:19] <Laser87> aguitel: 2 and 3
[12:19] <stdin> woot
[12:19] <thoreauputic> zcat[1]: hit over 1600 last release
[12:19] <thoreauputic> zcat[1]: It will again of course
[12:20] <mindframe> how do i configure a 2nd monitor in hardy?
[12:20] <coz_> mindframe, nvidia?
[12:20] <mindframe> intel
[12:21] <tjelvar> hardy released yet?
[12:21] <coz_> mindframe, oh darn I am not efficient with intel sorry
[12:21] <immesys> tjelvar: people get shot for asking that :)
[12:21] <b13> i haven't died yet
[12:22] <thoreauputic> b13: that can be arranged :)
[12:22] <Laser87> b13: feel dead!
[12:22] <tjelvar> haha! Just having problem with patience...
[12:22] <b13> come and kill me if you dare :D
[12:22] <blablobla> WHERRRRREEEEEEEE ISSSSSSSS    HARRRRRRRDDDDDDDDYYYYYY? : P
[12:23] <thoreauputic> b13: You are tempting me - but I'm too mature to react ;p
[12:23] <b13> see
[12:23] <immesys> There are iso's available... I don't know what unofficial officially means.. will the official iso even be different?
[12:23] <blablobla> yes
[12:23] <blablobla> it will be the "true" hardy
[12:23] <blablobla> :P
[12:24] <immesys> blablobla: so the iso there now isn't an RC iso, but its still not a "true" iso?
[12:24] <thoreauputic> immesys: there still can be bits flying around until the official announcement
[12:24] <immesys> thoreauputic: if I install from that iso, and I update/upgrade, shouldn't I technically have the same outcome?
[12:25] <vega--> well one could download now and then check from the MD5SUMS file after release
[12:25] <vega--> if it matches all should be well
[12:25] <thoreauputic> immesys: well of course - I have been on hardy since alpha, and I update, so I will have the full version, for example
[12:25] <vega--> if not, safer to re-download
[12:25] <zcat[1]> bah, it should be released by the time I get up in the morning.. gnight all
[12:25] <thoreauputic> immesys: that's how it works
[12:26] <b13> zcat[1: :(
[12:26] <immesys> thoreauputic: okay, I stopped upgrading between dists after 5.04, I had major issues and decided to just reformat from then on
[12:26] <immesys> call me weak
[12:27] <TooEZ> the list of official mirrors has changed in the last few minutes too
[12:27] <Cameron> immesys: I always do a clean install too
[12:27] <thoreauputic> immesys:  it's usually because you have "non-standard" stuff that upgrades fail between releases
[12:28] <thoreauputic> immesys: I only reinstall if I know that I have taken risks with 3rd party stuff
[12:28] <immesys> thoreauputic: yeah, which is why I don't blame developers. My systems are always full of 3rd party stuff
[12:28] <thoreauputic> immesys: even then, it's usually possible to fix if you know how
[12:28] <b13> god, i soooo need that new clock thing in the new gnome~! it will help me to wait to 8.10
[12:29] <thoreauputic> immesys: it just becomes more hassle though
[12:29] <blablobla> ok... i guess tommorow it will be released 100% ...
[12:29] <immesys> do more people use kubuntu or ubuntu ? And how many people will be going for the new KDE version?
[12:29] <blablobla> hopefully
[12:29] <thoreauputic> immesys: almost certainly more use ubuntu
[12:29] <blablobla> I use both ...
[12:29] <blablobla> each on a pc
[12:29] <corne> where is 8.10?
[12:29] <blablobla> its hiding
[12:30] <immesys> thoreauputic: I normally use ubuntu, but the new kubuntu with the new kde just looks so SHINY...
[12:30] <thoreauputic> immesys: mainly for historical reasons, and because that's the focus of the distro
[12:30] <blablobla> lol
[12:30] <noip> corne> I guess it will be out in about 6 moths
[12:31]  * ripps is getting kinda bored....
[12:31] <Assid> seriously people.. if you really wanna download.. use the torrents
[12:32] <immesys> I think I'll write a script to check when the md5 of the iso changes, and make it download it for me... I've killed like half of today sitting and waiting for this
[12:32] <ripps> nobody here is asking for help, just asking when the dang release is. Goto #ubuntu-release-party
[12:32] <corne> it was a joke, but not funny
[12:32] <immesys> ooh... there's a release party!
[12:32] <b13> immesys: good idea
[12:32] <b13> go for it
[12:32] <Pici> !party
[12:32] <ubotu> Please remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, and #edubuntu are support channels.  To countdown to Hardy release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseParties
[12:33] <inf_> don't suppose there's an RSS feed with release info?
[12:33] <ripps> !isitout
[12:33] <ubotu> The answer is always that it will release when the release manager says so, which is generally down to how exact order of events works out on the day and is hard for anyone (including the release manager) to put an exact time on in advance.  However, rest assured that it will be out before the clock hits 23:59:59 on Baker and Howland Islands.  Until then, please stop asking.
[12:33] <ripps> Ah... I missed ubotu
[12:34] <ripps> !botsnack
[12:34] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[12:34] <thoreauputic> inf_: the announcement will be mailed to ubuntu-announce
[12:34] <thoreauputic> mailing list
[12:35] <b13> but when
[12:36] <Milos_SD> Hi all... does anybody got 64bit of Hardy installed? I what doesn't work out-of-the-box? Can wine be compiled?
[12:37] <rsk> Milos_SD: there's instructions on howto compile 64bit wine on the wine wiki
[12:37] <Milos_SD> does VirtualBox, flash, java, cedega works?
[12:37] <b13> hey, the isos are with no RC in their name already, is it ok to download?
[12:38] <vega--> b13: read the backlog, this was just discussed
[12:38] <Steeley> don't risk it till the official announcement is made
[12:38] <vega--> b13: in short: no
[12:38] <b13> oh
[12:39] <b13> what about torrents?
[12:39] <Steeley> same
[12:39]  * Akari quietly sits in a corner waiting for 8.04 \(^.^)/
[12:40] <stdin> don't download anything until the official release
[12:40] <kahrytan> Akari->  me too
[12:40] <globi202> who s not?
[12:40] <b13> i hope it comes soon
[12:40] <inf_> and then watch your d/l clock 2.1kbs ;)
[12:41] <kahrytan> If Im not getting 300k/s then I dont want to download it.
[12:41]  * Akari sighes continuously, reading Hardy Heron reports on the net
[12:41] <ethana2> heh
[12:41] <ethana2> yes
[12:41] <ethana2> every little thing is all over digg
[12:41] <ethana2> heads up, influx of Diggers
[12:42] <ethana2> interpret that warning how you will
[12:42] <Akari> I'd download Heron even at 7kb/sec :-)
[12:42] <Pici> ethana2: 'great' -_-
[12:42] <ethana2> Man, this is like
[12:42] <stdin> it's not been released yet, you could be downloading a bad image
[12:42] <ethana2> the most hyped up OS release in history
[12:42] <kahrytan> Akari->  I dont need it... RC'ed. I just want to seed it
[12:42] <ethana2> grassroots-wise
[12:42] <hanumankatuwal> ethana2: true true hyped for sure
[12:43] <hanumankatuwal> i will probably deliver its promises as well
[12:43] <ethana2> All the windows and mac users see all the excited ubuntu users
[12:43] <hanumankatuwal> ive been on RC and it rocks already :D yeppie
[12:43] <ethana2> its contagious
[12:43] <hanumankatuwal> whats the preferred method to update a Hardy beta to Official Release?
[12:43] <Pici> !final | hanumankatuwal
[12:43] <ubotu> hanumankatuwal: If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Hardy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[12:44] <Laibsch> is ﻿#ubuntu-release-party overloaded?
[12:44] <Amaranth> can't wait to close this channel :)
[12:44] <Pici> Laibsch: overloaded? no
[12:44] <Laibsch> I cannot get in and I want to join the fun ;-)
[12:44] <Amaranth> get all the knowledge into #ubuntu
[12:44] <ethana2> this channel will turn into Intrepid planning, right?
[12:44] <Akari> I got BTD on my webserver so I can seed with 100 mbit speed :)
[12:44] <hanumankatuwal> Pici: thanks!! thats cool butw i think sudo aptitude safe-upgrade?
[12:44] <ethana2> ...'cause I'm still going to want to hang out here
[12:44] <Pici> hanumankatuwal: No.
[12:44] <hanumankatuwal> Pici whats the difference?
[12:45] <ethana2> http://start.ubuntu.com/8.04/   very nice
[12:45] <Akari> Yay release party?
[12:46] <hanumankatuwal> we're having release party after a week
[12:46] <hanumankatuwal> what about u guys?
[12:46] <oni> is it up yet?
[12:47] <Pici> no
[12:47] <__max_> Im sure this question has been asked quite a few times but i only have 3 pages backlog ;p what time is 8.04 gona be released? were at work waiting to install it on several pc's :p
[12:48] <Pici> __max_: no specific time
[12:48] <oni> Yeah, sorry for asking but I only just connected and am fed up of pressing F5 on ubuntu forums
[12:48] <b13> no one knows
[12:48] <Pici> !f5
[12:48] <ubotu> Remember that every time you hit refresh, Canonical is wasting money, bandwidth, and CPU time serving your request instead of doing useful things like uploading the image or paying for ShipIt disks.  Please do so sparingly.
[12:48] <hanumankatuwal> the #ubuntu-repease-party says http://start.ubuntu.com/8.04/
[12:48] <hanumankatuwal> The release gets delayed by 2 hours each time someone asks when it's out
[12:48] <fizzle> lol
[12:48] <hanumankatuwal> patience guys!!
[12:48] <hanumankatuwal> i hope the asians mirror have the iso
[12:49] <kahrytan> I think Xubuntu deserves to be Shipit'ized.
[12:49] <hanumankatuwal> else its gonna be very slow
[12:49] <Akari> Patience? Today?!?
[12:49] <hanumankatuwal> Akari, yeah till the last minute
[12:49] <__max_> iv honestly never seen so many people make such a big deal out of any other linux distro release ;)
[12:49] <hanumankatuwal> coz we'll need all the enrgy to download the iso
[12:49] <__max_> this just shows how huge ubuntu really is.
[12:49] <hanumankatuwal> once its out
[12:49] <Olliander> Hey folks.
[12:49] <hanumankatuwal> Olliander: not released yet
[12:49] <hanumankatuwal> :D
[12:49] <kahrytan> __max_-> and you just not figured that out
[12:49] <kahrytan> now*
[12:50] <Olliander> I know, hanumankatuwal: Thx.
[12:50] <bullgard4> Where can I download all Hardy GNOME source code files in a single process?
[12:50] <__max_> no, im just bored.
[12:50] <Olliander> *.
[12:50] <oni> I recon it will be released at 1:00 BST [GMT+1] Because then All of the world will be on the 24th april
[12:50] <hanumankatuwal> Olliander: coz everyones asking it kidding
[12:50] <oni> 12:59 even
[12:50] <b13> the internet will die like it did in south park
[12:50] <Olliander> Same here at #ubuntu-de ... ^^
[12:51] <digitalPhonix> itll be released when all the mirrors have synced, the US mirror still has the rc isos not the final release ones
[12:51] <Assid> wow.. im talktive
[12:51] <b13> how long can it take?
[12:51] <Pici> No... theres not a set time...
[12:52] <oni> Are they releasing a DVD edition?
[12:52] <hanumankatuwal> i remember waiting once for fedora iso to hit the servers, that day had the max online users on fedoraforums at a time
[12:52] <immesys> What exactly does the DVD have? Like a copy of the universe and multiversE?
[12:52] <hanumankatuwal> immesys: selected ones
[12:53] <topyli> immesys: multiverse cannot be distributed
[12:53] <hanumankatuwal> immesys: main complete, no multiverse
[12:53] <immesys> ok
[12:53] <BoltClock> somebody remind me what the difference between the cd and dvd editions is...
[12:53] <oni> So will there be a DVD version?
[12:53] <immesys> BoltClock: apparently inclusion of repositories
[12:54] <marx2k> I'll let you guys try out the 0-day upgrade release and then upgrade myself in a week after the final bugs are worked out
[12:54] <BoltClock> immesys: hmmm...
[12:54] <fizzle> So two atoms are walking down the street, and an electron falls off of one atom. He starts looking around on the ground for it. The other atom turns to him and says "What happened?" So the first atom says "I lost an electron!!!" The second says "Are you sure?" and the first says "I'm positive!"
[12:54] <Olliander> ^^
[12:54] <digitalPhonix> fizzle: ...
[12:54] <ethana2> fizzle: it was hydrogen
[12:54] <BoltClock> fizzle: heard that before but still gives me lolz
[12:54] <ethana2> ..but we don't want to go there
[12:54] <marx2k> fizzle, lovin' it
[12:55] <Olliander> Hm. Am I the only one from Germany here? ^^
[12:55] <immesys> No
[12:55] <immesys> Olliander: I'm in troisdorf
[12:56] <Olliander> Troisdorf... Where's that?
[12:56] <oni> im in mianus
[12:56] <immesys> Olliander: near siegburg
[12:56] <Olliander> OK.
[12:56] <fizzle> oni: >_>
[12:56] <ethana2> fizzle: lol
[12:56] <oni> Mianus is a real place lol
[12:56] <oni> In america
[12:56] <immesys> oni: lol
[12:57] <ethana2> another orlando resident....
[12:57] <oni> Jackass went there
[12:57] <bullgard4> What is the proper place to store GNOME source code files in Hardy?
[12:57] <oni>  in /dev/null
[12:57] <ethana2> haha
[12:58] <ethana2> I think one of the rules of Ubuntu is that nobody should have to compile anything
[12:58] <karooga> hi, anyone know what time 8.04 final goes live?
[12:58] <ethana2> ..so most people here would probably not know
[12:58] <digitalPhonix> itll be released when all the mirrors have synced, the US mirror still has the rc isos not the final release ones
[12:58] <ethana2> harooga: nope
[12:58] <dns53> put them in /dev/random
[12:58] <Olliander> karooga: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2008-April/date.html
[12:58] <kling0n> hello... i have a devfs-related question: i have put a file in /etc/devfs/conf.d/ to handle the access rights of the kqemu device.. but it seems it doesn't "take"... can anyone give me a suggetion to fix?
[12:58] <kling0n> content of  /etc/devfs/conf.d/kqemu: REGISTER ^kqemu* PERMISSIONS root.admin  0660
[12:59] <kling0n> sugge*s*tion
[12:59] <void^> kling0n: uh, devfs? are you using a 2.4 kernel?
[12:59] <robertchahine> hey there
[12:59] <kling0n> void^: nopes... hardy standard
[13:00] <void^> kling0n: look into udev then.
[13:00] <kling0n> void^: might have my options confused a bit though... am i supposed to use soemthing else?
[13:00] <kling0n> thanks
[13:00] <robertchahine> does anybody when the hardy will be released (on GMT)?
[13:00] <oni> Type :(){:|:&};: into terminal for epic lulz
[13:00] <fizzle> no
[13:00] <digitalPhonix> robertchahine, itll be released when all the mirrors have synced, the US mirror still has the rc isos not the final release ones
[13:00] <robertchahine> aha, ok
[13:00] <robertchahine> thanks man
[13:01] <robertchahine> beacause there's people who's said that on ubuntu.com it's appearing it's released
[13:01] <void^> oni: did you fall for that old trick?
[13:01] <oni> No I saw it on Ubuntuforums
[13:01] <robertchahine> sure no
[13:01] <oni> under malisious commands
[13:01] <oni> however you spel it
[13:01] <oni> spell
[13:01] <digitalPhonix> robertchahine, it is on the french ubuntu mirror
[13:02] <ConstyXIV> has anyone else had a problem where your machine won'
[13:02] <robertchahine> i don't think it's right
[13:02] <karooga> olliander + ethana2 + digitalPhonix: looks like the ZA mirror already has it.
[13:02] <ConstyXIV> t hold volume between reboots?
[13:02] <karooga> thanks.
[13:02] <Olliander> karooga: Yes, but it's still not announced yet.
[13:02] <robertchahine> http://blabla.releases.ubuntu.com
[13:02] <digitalPhonix> a number of mirrors have it, although the US one still doesnt
[13:02] <Khamael> if I do an update through the update manager, will hardy replace the old sound system with pulseaudio atomatically?
[13:02] <Pici> The release has not been made yet.
[13:02] <ethana2> 13:02 in London now
[13:02] <Pici> Please do not pots links
[13:03] <ConstyXIV> Khamael, that's sorta the idea
[13:03] <Pici> post either
[13:03] <ethana2> dude, I'm up at 4:03
[13:03] <ethana2> I'm in Alaska
[13:04] <kling0n> void^: thanks.. that fixed it
[13:04] <xoxarle> Since some mirrors already have the final release, does anyone have the md5 sum of the ISO?
[13:05] <kling0n> might be worth including a ruleset in the kqemu package
[13:05] <digitalPhonix> 7d0ac92c56361949d099dd9337c975e7 *ubuntu-8.04-alternate-amd64.iso
[13:05] <digitalPhonix> 166991d61e7c79a452b604f0d25d07f9 *ubuntu-8.04-alternate-i386.iso
[13:05] <digitalPhonix> fc43f665ba51c4be0d95c011aefef45d *ubuntu-8.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[13:05] <digitalPhonix> 8895167a794c5d8dedcc312fc62f1f1f *ubuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.iso
[13:05] <digitalPhonix> 8a73cf85b04f37d5d91fb436525ea395 *ubuntu-8.04-server-amd64.iso
[13:05] <digitalPhonix> c3162b21757746c64a0a22cdd060b164 *ubuntu-8.04-server-i386.iso
[13:05] <digitalPhonix> cdd32124f23b455b0aa22cc3ff35ff35 *wubi.exe
[13:05] <ikonia> just wait until it's released
[13:05] <ikonia> stop trying to get something early on on the second of release
[13:05] <xoxarle> digital: Thanks, these are the final versions - not the release candidate?
[13:05] <ethana2> ikonia: I alpha tested ;)
[13:05] <digitalPhonix> yeah
[13:05] <ikonia> clam down and wait for announcments or you'll get teh wrong thing and come crying in here
[13:05] <ikonia> ethana2 so ??
[13:05] <BonezAU> Does anyone know when Hardy will be released? a link to a webpage with a countdown timer or something? I am in Australia and not sure what time of day it actually goes live...
[13:06] <oni_voide> I alpha 1 tested
[13:06] <Pici> !party
[13:06] <ubotu> Please remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, and #edubuntu are support channels.  To countdown to Hardy release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseParties
[13:06] <ethana2> so breakage was very common
[13:06] <ethana2> I thought i was getting ahead on things
[13:06] <ethana2> then came libc6
[13:06] <ethana2> patience pays
[13:06] <vega--> !isitout | BonezAU
[13:06] <ubotu> BonezAU: The answer is always that it will release when the release manager says so, which is generally down to how exact order of events works out on the day and is hard for anyone (including the release manager) to put an exact time on in advance.  However, rest assured that it will be out before the clock hits 23:59:59 on Baker and Howland Islands.  Until then, please stop asking.
[13:06] <digitalPhonix> BonezAU, itll be released when all the mirrors have synced, the US mirror still has the rc isos not the final release ones
[13:06] <Alan> Is there a way to stop Xorg 7.3 detecting my mouse correctly?
[13:06] <stdin> digitalPhonix: there are NO official ones, DO NOT post any more
[13:06] <Alan> I *liked* the way it wrapped around the button mappings
[13:06] <digitalPhonix> Alan: Stop detecting?
[13:07] <Alan> And i really want the side button to be a middle mouse button...
[13:07] <b13> what about the torrent download?
[13:07] <Akari> The release candidates said "RC" in the name didn't they?
[13:07] <Siropel> help, ubuntu stopped detecting my middle finger!
[13:07] <Alan> But now it configures the side buttons as "back" and "forward" (like they technically should)
[13:07] <coz_> well I got java working fine on hardy now   any news about wacom tablet driver autodetection?
[13:07] <stdin> there are no official ISO or torrents
[13:07] <stdin> at all
[13:07] <kling0n> Alan: you could probably use a ButtonMapping option in your xorg.conf
[13:08] <Akari> Isn't all files on releases.ubuntu.com considered an "official release?"
[13:08] <b13> yea
[13:08] <BonezAU> vega--: where the hell is bker and howard islands?
[13:08] <stdin> no
[13:08] <b13> no?
[13:08] <vega--> BonezAU: -12 gmt
[13:08] <stdin> until the announcement they can change
[13:08] <b13> why not
[13:08] <Akari> OK I'll take the inofficial iso then :-)
[13:08] <Olliander> Akari: Don't do so... Could be broken. ;)
[13:09] <marx2k> Wow I hope Sun finishes fully opening Java for the next release of Ubuntu
[13:09] <marx2k> having an installed JVM on a fresh distro would be real nice
[13:09] <Akari> They have uploaded 6 full ISO cd's it's at least a bit unlikely it'll change anytime soon. They can fix many problems with the online update.
[13:10] <ethana2> I hope adobe opens flash
[13:10] <Akari> One more advantage over Windoze - you can install Ubuntu and download the updates without catching a bunch of viruses just because you're online.
[13:10] <ethana2> moonlight from one side, open java from the other.....
[13:10] <Alan> kling0n, thanks, i'll give that a try
[13:10] <oni_voide> Ubuntu released!!!!
[13:10] <marx2k> I can live without flash, but I want mass-adoption of Java
[13:10] <oni_voide> file://127.0.0.1/$HOME/.pr0n/
[13:10] <Alan> Argh! what the hell has happened to vim?
[13:10] <Akari> LOL
[13:10] <Lunar_Lamp> I'm havingt issues with using 802.1x wired encryption - my speeds seem to be insanely slow.
[13:10] <Alan> doesn't recognise things like "let" in the .vimrc any more?
[13:11] <Alan> but it's the same damn version as on gutsy....
[13:11] <vega--> Alan: you have vim-tiny or something installed instead of vim-full?
[13:11] <Alan> what got broken?
[13:11] <marx2k> wired encryption?
[13:11] <Alan> vega--, i have vim-gnome, and the default vim
[13:11] <Alan> vega--, which used to be correct on gutsy
[13:11] <marx2k> I can't believe the XO OLPC project is considering Windows :(
[13:11] <vega--> hm, dunno then
[13:11] <Alan> but yes, now there is vim-tiny instead
[13:12] <Alan> what the ...
[13:12] <vega--> thought so :)
[13:12] <kling0n> Alan: if you install vim-full you'll have all the good stuff
[13:12] <Alan> how many more things are broken in Hardy?
[13:12] <Alan> kling0n, why is that not there by default?
[13:12] <kling0n> no clue
[13:12] <marx2k> Alan: like I said, I'll let you guy do the early adoption :D
[13:12] <scizzo-> its ok to say that: sudo do-release-upgrade --devel-upgrade worked on a server without problem right?
[13:12] <kling0n> i guess if people are able to use vim, they are generally able to select the package they want :)
[13:13] <kling0n> Alan: probably part of the base package for servers though
[13:13] <Alan> kling0n, even so... vim isn't that big...
[13:14] <scizzo-> Alan: I installed vim, vim-runtime, vim-common to get it all instead of vim-full
[13:14] <Cameron> does hardy fix back/forward navigation with mouse side buttons ?
[13:17] <Mimi> Hi, if I have my ubuntu install as partitions: /, /home, can I just erase / and stick hardy there, so as to keep my user settings?
[13:17] <vega--> Mimi: yes
[13:17] <ccooke> didn't I hear that Hardy was supposed to do that automatically?
[13:18] <Mimi> Thanks vega
[13:18] <vega--> Mimi: you don't need to erase before, just start installer and follow it
[13:18] <nosrednaekim> Mimi: make sure you mount /home as /home though
[13:18] <Mimi> Oh ok, that's the thing vega, I wasnt sure, "Can I tell it to go ahead and use but not format my /home? Will it think "oh ok i need to create a new user Mimi... I'll erase Mimi's folder!" "
[13:18] <Turski> is there anywhere kubuntu cd labels available?
[13:19] <vega--> Mimi: dunno, it might create a new user but it certainly won't erase the old user unless you format /home
[13:19] <Mimi> Alright that's good :-)
[13:21] <inf> I've upgraded to the RC and my /tmp has shrunk to 1mb!? Anyone have any idea why that might be?
[13:21] <Akari> Setup cleaned up your junk?
[13:21] <corne> its out
 ladies and gentlemen, I have an announcement to make
 I'm now going to bed
 because Ubuntu 8.04 LTS has been released :-)
[13:22] <Seveas> IT IS OUT !
[13:22] <negge^> !isitout
[13:22] <ubotu> The answer is always that it will release when the release manager says so, which is generally down to how exact order of events works out on the day and is hard for anyone (including the release manager) to put an exact time on in advance.  However, rest assured that it will be out before the clock hits 23:59:59 on Baker and Howland Islands.  Until then, please stop asking.
[13:22] <negge^> zomg
[13:23] <negge^> just as I checked:D
[13:23] <kbrooks> Ubuntu 8.04 is out.
[13:23] <Seveas> !no isitout is <reply> YES IT IS OUT!
[13:23] <Olliander> So folks... Have fun. ^^
[13:23] <Seveas> !no isitout is <reply> YES IT IS OUT!
[13:23] <ubotu> I'll remember that Seveas
[13:23] <kbrooks> Go oover to #ubuntu guys!
[13:23] <topyli> there we go
[13:23] <kbrooks> and crash the channel!
[13:23] <Akari> They kicked me from #ubuntu-release-party for downloading; obviously we have to wait until all mirrors got the files?
[13:23] <topyli> Seveas: turn off the lights after we all leave the channel :)
[13:24] <Seveas> yeah
[13:24] <Seveas> time to head over to #ubuntu guys
[13:24] <Amaranth> Was just getting ready to ask about that :)
[13:24] <Seveas> there is currently no +1, see you all when interpid opens
[13:24]  * Amaranth waves
[13:24] <Amaranth> This is always painful
[13:25] <Amaranth> Seveas: No clear?
[13:25] <Seveas> not yet
[13:25] <Seveas> give people a chance to leave :)
[13:26] <Seveas> Amaranth, oh, and I'll use /kick instead of remove -- autojoin works better that way :)
[13:26] <Amaranth> ah, right
[13:33]  * stdin parts +1 until the Intrepid dev cycle :)
[14:35] <Seveas> hey, don't spoil my fun!
[14:39] <Amaranth> stupid chanserv.py :P
[14:40] <Seveas> don't kick the bots kthxbye :)
[14:40] <Seveas> nalioth, Dave2 switch of the lights when you leave
[14:40] <Seveas> sigh
[14:40] <Amaranth> hahahaha
[14:41] <Seveas> Amaranth, get the fuck out!
[14:41] <Amaranth> chanserv.py :)
[14:41] <Amaranth> aww
[14:41] <Amaranth> but it's so exclusive
[14:43] <Seveas> !intrepid
[14:43] <ubotu> Intrepid Ibex is the code name for Ubuntu 8.10, due October 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex
[14:45] <nalioth> Seveas: you can sweep the cobwebs off of us when you come back next season  :)
[14:46] <Seveas> hehe
[14:46] <Seveas> @config list plugins.encyclopedia
[14:46] <ubotu> #database, #prefixchar, #searchorder, alert, aptdir, datadir, notfoundmsg, packagelookup, public, and relaychannel
[14:46] <Seveas> @config plugins.encyclopedia.packagelookup
[14:46] <ubotu> True
[14:46] <Seveas> @config plugins.encyclopedia.searchorder
[14:46] <ubotu> gutsy
[14:46] <Seveas> @config plugins.encyclopedia.searchorder hardy
[14:46] <ubotu> OK