[01:45] <gnomefreak> :)
[01:45] <gnomefreak> im home finally just getting ready to lay down
[01:46] <gnomefreak> ill be back in morning sometime
[02:51] <Jazzva> Hey, hey gnomefreak :)... Welcome back to irc. And now I'm off to sleep...
[02:51] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: night and thank you
[02:51] <Jazzva> good night...
[08:30] <asac> gnomefreak: how are you doing?
[09:12] <gnomefreak> im good and you?
[09:13] <gnomefreak> asac: how familar are you with pulseaudio not playing flash sound anymore it was ff3b5 but i got someone that sees in it gutsy ff2.0.0.14 as i recall
[09:14] <gnomefreak> firefox 2.0.0.14+2nobinonly-0ubuntu0.7.10 to be exact
[09:15] <gnomefreak> i dont see it here in 3b5 and havent tried .14 yet on gutsy im looking into other gutsy .14 bugs
[09:19] <asac> gnomefreak: i am great. great to see you back. at home again?
[09:19] <gnomefreak> asac: yep for good i hope :)
[09:19]  * asac pressing thumbs
[09:20] <asac> i really hope that after all this suffering you finally can get some rest :)
[09:20] <asac> gnomefreak: well ... the pulseaudio thing is bad
[09:20] <asac> have you tried the latest patch from crimsun?
[09:21] <gnomefreak> no i dont get this issue at all. me and crimsun and someone else were looking into it a few maybe 4 hours ago
[09:21] <gnomefreak> its happening with gnash by the looks of it as well
[09:21] <asac> its bug 192888
[09:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192888 in pulseaudio "firefox crashes on flash contents" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192888
[09:21] <asac> hmm
[09:21] <gnomefreak> its not rashing though its just not playing sound from flash
[09:22] <asac> gnash i don't know. it uses gstreamer so it should work .. in theory
[09:22] <gnomefreak> crashing*
[09:22] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah. we removed libflashsupport
[09:22] <asac> that removes the crash, but makes sound bad
[09:22] <asac> (for some)
[09:22] <[reed]> gnomefreak: where is home for you?
[09:22] <gnomefreak> gnash looks like extention issue
[09:22] <gnomefreak> [reed]: north carolina us
[09:23] <[reed]> ah, k
[09:23] <gnomefreak> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnash/+bug/215493
[09:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215493 in gnash "Gnash plugin does not play sound on select Flash animations" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[09:23] <gnomefreak> safe mode makes it work
[09:23] <[reed]> I have a friend that attends TRILUG meetings occasionally, but he didn't know your name when I mentioned it to him.
[09:24] <gnomefreak> well for one person atleast
[09:24] <gnomefreak> most dont i go to a couple a year
[09:24] <[reed]> ah, k
[09:25] <asac> gnomefreak: strange. not sure what issue that might be. most likely a screwed setup. if gstreamer doesn't work, something is going real bad.
[09:25] <asac> gnomefreak: gstreamer-properties allows you to select the output method
[09:25] <gnomefreak> does PA use gstteamer?
[09:25] <asac> maybe one can change something there to get sound
[09:26] <asac> gnomefreak: no ... gstreamer uses PA if properly configured (e.g. gstreamer-properties)
[09:26] <asac> so basically it might break if user configured gstreamer to not use PA, but alsa directly
[09:27] <asac> but AFAICT selecting "auto detect" as output method for gstreamer should make it work. in worst case one can select PA as output method
[09:27] <asac> [reed]: the IO issue with urlclassifier appears to happen if the urlclassifier.sqlite DB becomes huge
[09:28] <[reed]> can you comment in the bug about that?
[09:28] <[reed]> dcamp is looking into it tomorrow
[09:28] <[reed]> and I brought it up with release drivers
[09:28] <asac> well ... i am still trying to get info on the LP bug. thats what i can see from the forums threads you posted
[09:28] <[reed]> k
[09:29] <asac> [reed]: do you have the bmo bug id at hand?
[09:29] <asac> i'd like to link it to the LP bug
[09:29] <[reed]> mozilla bug 430530
[09:29] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 430530 in Phishing Protection "excess disk IO when updating the url-classifier" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=430530
[09:29] <asac> yeah thanks
[09:29] <[reed]> gnomefreak: I don't think we've directly met...
[09:30] <gnomefreak> [reed]: you were around as i left late last year :)
[09:30] <[reed]> true
[09:30] <[reed]> I'm Reed Loden, a college student in Mississippi and a contributor for the Mozilla Project. I act primary as an unofficial liaison between the Ubuntu folks here and the Mozilla world, helping out with bugs, commits, various things.
[09:30] <[reed]> primarily*
[09:31] <gnomefreak> ok commented to have them try gstreamer-properties
[09:31] <asac> [reed] rocks ;)
[09:31] <asac> (short version that is)
[09:31] <[reed]> hah
[09:31] <[reed]> thanks ;)
[09:33] <asac> [reed]: ever tried to hi-jack your real nick?
[09:33] <gnomefreak> im john vivirito from NC and hate it here but im pretty much a package junkie :) but love Mozilla apps.  oh BTW i was asked about songbird tonight/lastnight whatever night this is still so i might be taking a look at it to see if i can get it to atleast start to build sometime for Hardy+1 but im not counting on it
[09:33] <asac> gnomefreak: do you remember how to figure when a nick was last active on freenode?
[09:33] <[reed]> asac: no, I think somebody actually uses it... see /msg nickserv info reed
[09:33] <asac> ah
[09:34] <[reed]> such as ... now
[09:34] <gnomefreak> asac: yeah i ask freenode staff :)
[09:34] <asac> gnomefreak: don't worry ... the command above does it i guess
[09:34] <gnomefreak> but [reed]'s command should work
[09:34] <gnomefreak> asac: or /cs info nick
[09:34] <asac> yeah
[09:35] <gnomefreak> or /msg chanserv info
[09:35] <[reed]> one of my friends at college happens to be a freenode senior staffer, so I bug him when I need anything ;)
[09:35] <gnomefreak> nick
[09:35] <gnomefreak> anyone happen to have a login for www.logmein.com?
[09:35] <asac> nope ;)
[09:36]  * gnomefreak making one
[09:36] <[reed]> forgive me, but I have an honors project due in a little over 7 hours, so I need to get to work on it
[09:36] <[reed]> :P
[09:36] <asac> [reed]: then go :)
[09:37] <gnomefreak> ut oh
[09:37] <[reed]> hehe
[09:37] <asac> don't blame us that you get easily distracted ;)
[09:37] <asac> thats your own fault :-D
[09:37] <[reed]> true, true
[09:37] <asac> you are welcome if you need distraction ;)
[09:37] <gnomefreak> [reed]: have fun with it and do well
[09:37] <[reed]> I finally had to disconnect from irc.mozilla.org until the semester is over
[09:37] <[reed]> it was so distracting
[09:37] <[reed]> hehe
[09:37]  * gnomefreak smacks self in head for doing this
[09:37] <[reed]> thankfully, this is the last week of classes
[09:37] <[reed]> next week is exams
[09:38] <[reed]> and then I'm done
[09:38] <[reed]> yay
[09:38] <gnomefreak> i need an  Organization
[09:38] <[reed]> then I start my internship with Mozilla Corp. on May 5th
[09:38] <gnomefreak> Would Ubuntu Linux work?
[09:38] <asac> [reed]: nice
[09:38] <gnomefreak> good luck
[09:39] <[reed]> this is my second summer as an intern
[09:39] <[reed]> so, should be lots of fun :)
[09:39] <asac> gnomefreak: not sure what you are trying to do
[09:39]  * gnomefreak didnt think they looked for people with degrees and stuff i thought it was come as you are
[09:39] <gnomefreak> asac: sign up for this site so i can test it for a bug
[09:39] <gnomefreak> they have free trial
[09:40] <asac> gnomefreak: personally, i wouldn't do it :) ... reporters should provide you with a test account :)
[09:40] <gnomefreak> ah good idea
[09:44] <gnomefreak> what is apports tag for a retrace, and can it do it if its just the crash log no other apport info?
[09:45] <gnomefreak> looking to see if its at all helpful
[09:46] <asac> gnomefreak: i am not sure
[09:46] <asac> gnomefreak: i think it doesn't work to ask for retraces that are not submitted through apport.
[09:46] <gnomefreak> thats what i thought too
[09:46] <gnomefreak> ill ask him to refile bug with apport
[09:46] <asac> i usually asks reporters to open a new bug by double clicking on the .crash file
[09:46] <asac> yeah
[09:47] <asac> in that turn i invalidate the original bug
[09:47] <asac> to keep the bugcount low
[09:47] <asac> well ... if you can still say low :(
[09:48] <gnomefreak> i am
[09:49] <gnomefreak> if you have ff3b5 can you please see if gnome crashes at http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Gutsy i was unable to reproduce this bug
[09:50] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmm
[09:53] <asac> gnomefreak: no it doesn't crash
[09:53] <asac> gnomefreak: extension issue most likely
[09:53] <asac> firebug is pretty crashy
[09:53] <asac> users should use the version we have in our archive and not the one from AMO
[09:54] <gnomefreak> thats what i thought too but he thinks its kernel xorg issue and i asked him to please file it again when he can reporoduce it and have apport file bug on his behalf
[09:54] <gnomefreak> firebug is fixed as i hear it
[09:54] <gnomefreak> the new version fixed a few bugs that were out there
[09:55]  * gnomefreak loves the extention installer :)
[09:56]  * gnomefreak closed a few bugs pretty fast :)
[09:56] <asac> good :)
[09:56] <asac> close them ;)
[09:57] <asac> there are far too many :(
[09:57] <gnomefreak> oh shit the ISO's are being uploaded or released atm i think since it happen around this time that wiki.ubuntru and ubuntu.com pages dont load but time out
[09:57] <gnomefreak> never mind it opened the 3rd time
[09:58] <gnomefreak> oh god i have to go up for memebership renewal soon
[10:01] <gnomefreak> asac: oh btw im gonna study sunbirds license because of a few wishlist bugs that i might put in 0.8
[10:02]  * gnomefreak has mixed feelings about one but license should clear it up for me
[10:02] <[reed]> sunbird's license is the same as Firefox's license
[10:02] <[reed]> code is tri-licensed...
[10:02] <gnomefreak> thats what i thought
[10:02] <gnomefreak> so no changing icons
[10:03] <gnomefreak> although it is a cool icon
[10:03] <[reed]> well, it's not under the MoCo EULA
[10:03] <[reed]> so, you probably could change icons
[10:03] <[reed]> it's not part of the Mozilla Corporation
[10:03] <gnomefreak> they want the bird in the circle like thunderbirds and ff's icons
[10:03] <[reed]> but I wouldn't be surprised if Mozilla Messaging, Inc. takes it over
[10:03] <gnomefreak> ill read through it to be sure
[10:04] <gnomefreak> the icon is nice but staying with provided icons is better IMHO
[10:04] <gnomefreak> asac ever played with RichResults before in firefox?
[10:06] <[reed]> what bug is this about sunbird's logo?
[10:06] <gnomefreak> give me a bit ill find it
[10:07] <gnomefreak> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightning-sunbird/+bug/178785
[10:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 178785 in lightning-sunbird "Use icon with bird for launchers" [Wishlist,Incomplete]
[10:08] <asac> actually i thought that we are using that icon
[10:09] <gnomefreak> calendar icon
[10:09] <asac> maybe a mixup because i try to maintain sunbird and iceowl (debian) from related branches
[10:09] <[reed]> that's an official icon
[10:09] <gnomefreak> iceowl using that icon
[10:09] <gnomefreak> i remember that much from working with it
[10:10] <[reed]> http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/sunbird/
[10:10] <asac> [reed]: i know :) ... thats why i wondered a bit
[10:10] <asac> thought that we are using it in ubuntu
[10:10] <gnomefreak> so it started with 0.8?
[10:10] <asac> 0.8? we don't have that yet afaict
[10:11]  * asac installs sunbird on this computer
[10:11] <gnomefreak> i would have to look back in the source to see but it shows up here as the calendar icon
[10:11] <gnomefreak> asac: no we dont but will for +1
[10:11] <gnomefreak> atleast i hope
[10:11] <asac> yes, ill package it soonish
[10:11] <gnomefreak> and i hope 0.8 still using 1.8 not 1.9
[10:11] <[reed]> the people in #ubuntu-release-party are completely nuts
[10:11] <gnomefreak> agreed they are
[10:11] <[reed]> refreshing ubuntu.com every 15 sec.
[10:11] <[reed]> lol
[10:11] <asac> [reed]: how many are in there?
[10:11] <asac> 2000 ?
[10:12] <[reed]> 523
[10:12]  * asac joings
[10:12] <asac> thats not too much ;)
[10:12] <gnomefreak> asac: if you want it let me know there are a few small bugs iirc on the package
[10:12] <[reed]> bah
[10:12] <[reed]> I'm being distracted!
[10:12] <gnomefreak> asac: you dont want to be in there
[10:12] <asac> [reed]: hehe ... better go in there when ubuntu is finally released
[10:12] <gnomefreak> cjwatson was controling what he could while spinning/fixing ISO's and it was nuts
[10:12] <asac> and work now ;)
[10:13] <[reed]> just curious... what's going on behind the scenes? somebody mentioned respinning one of the ISOs, so is that the hold-up?
[10:14] <gnomefreak> might also want to see what locales we are missing in there as im seeing a bunch of them on the link for 0.8
[10:14] <asac> [reed]: yes. afaik we had kvm issues
[10:14] <[reed]> ew
[10:14] <asac> don't ask me whats that
[10:14] <asac> :)
[10:14] <[reed]> it's a kernel-based virtual machine
[10:15] <gnomefreak> hmmm
[10:15] <asac> [reed]: yeah. but i am actually not sure that anything is holding the release actually back
[10:16] <asac> its just that it was planned for today ;)
[10:17] <[reed]> just be glad you're not the release manager
[10:17]  * gnomefreak has a feeling PA will be removed as default 
[10:17] <[reed]> ;)
[10:18] <[reed]> gnomefreak: really? why?
[10:18] <[reed]> bah
[10:18] <[reed]> I really can't talk now
[10:18] <[reed]> I'll be back later
[10:18] <asac> gnomefreak: i don't think so
[10:18] <asac> not sure
[10:19] <gnomefreak> [one of the devs had stated maybe makeing it default was a bad idea for LTS
[10:19] <gnomefreak> not sure how far he went with it though
[10:20] <asac> ah well .... lots bash PA atm
[10:20] <asac> i don't think it ever became a real blocker
[10:31] <armin76> is ubuntu out today?
[10:31] <Jazzva> armin76, yes :)
[10:31] <Jazzva> (if there is no sudden delay to 8.06 :P)
[10:32] <Jazzva> (kidding)
[10:32] <asac> lol
[10:32] <asac> armin76: funny thing is that according to ubuntu.com announcement we already released on 21st on 24th :/
[10:32] <Jazzva> heh...
[10:33] <asac> yeah
[10:33] <asac> look by yourself then you se what i mean :)
[10:33] <Jazzva> And people in ubuntu-release-party are crazy ... tried to read it for few minutes ... tough job :)
[10:33] <armin76> i'm pretty sure that some mirror is leaking it already :P
[10:33] <Jazzva> Leaking? Is it?! Oh, my ... a cracked preview-beta testers only-leak :P
[10:35] <armin76> at least everytime we release on gentoo, some mirrors leak them
[10:35] <gnomefreak> there were a few unofficial ones that were posted for a while
[10:36] <Jazzva> Anyway ... should go and meet with few friends, then to school. I can work on bugsquashing, until the new development starts, right?
[10:36] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: yep tht would be helpful since all i was able to do were bugs so im still trying to clear them up
[10:37] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: Ok, I'll help tonight :)...
[10:37] <Jazzva> See you later...
[10:37] <gnomefreak> asac: let me know when you get 0.8 for hardy done if you plan on it i may wan tto play with it plus i have to refresh my bzr commands soon
[10:40] <elmargol> Hi I have a problem, browser.warnOnQuit:true is not working here :(
[10:41] <gnomefreak> in?
[10:41] <elmargol> ff3b5
[10:42] <gnomefreak> think i saw someone else with that issue but its somewhere in the 10,000 bugs that i seem to be subscribed to :(
[10:42] <armin76> http://ubuntu.c3sl.ufpr.br/releases/8.04/ <- see? leaked
[10:42] <elmargol> I search a way to have firefox3 allways open...
[10:42] <gnomefreak> someone else here might know off hand what you mean (they might have same issue
[10:42] <elmargol> I often close firefox by mistake :(
[10:43] <armin76> asac: quick!
[10:45] <gnomefreak> ok going back to hardy bbiaf
[10:46] <asac> armin76: ?
[10:46] <armin76> asac: that mirror :)
[10:46] <armin76> http://ubuntu.c3sl.ufpr.br/releases/8.04/
[10:46] <asac> armin76: ah ... no idea if its the final roll-out
[10:46] <asac> i don't think we have anything that allows us to do atomic releases
[10:47] <asac> e.g. upload everywhere to private area and then do the switch
[10:47] <asac> so i think it is
[10:47] <asac> elmargol: ?
[10:47] <asac> elmargol: i think warnOnQuit means that it asks you if you have multiple tabs open
[10:48] <elmargol> It does this only if i have multiple tabs and multiple windows open
[10:48] <armin76> well, when it happened on gentoo, it was because some user thing
[10:48] <elmargol> If I only have in windows and x tabs it does not warn me
[10:48] <asac> elmargol: yeah ... i think thats the meaning of that pref
[10:48] <armin76> the rsync client was running as the same user as the ftp, or something
[10:48] <asac> elmargol: closing a single window/area is not considered that harmful i guess
[10:48] <elmargol> If I only have in window and x tabs it does not warn me
[10:49] <asac> armin76: hmm
[10:49] <elmargol> I allways have to insert my masterpassword ;/ verry anoying
[10:49] <elmargol> Can I unlock firefox using pam oder something?
[10:49] <elmargol> -oder +or
[10:49] <asac> elmargol: good question. i don't think so, but not sure
[10:50] <asac> elmargol: there should be an extension
[10:50] <elmargol> I have twitterfox running wich ask for the masterpassword in order to connect :/
[10:52] <asac> elmargol: why do you accidentially quick ffo xin the first place?
[10:55] <gnomefreak> what is purpose of #bmo on mozilla irc server?
[10:55] <gnomefreak> is that stricly bugs?
[10:56] <asac> gnomefreak: not sure
[10:56] <asac> i think its mostly bug bots yes
[10:57] <gnomefreak> thought so
[10:57]  * gnomefreak in 6 channels on that server for most part to get hints on some bugs ive seen before and mark as upstream :)
[10:58] <asac> not that bad
[10:58] <asac> (the idea)
[10:58] <gnomefreak> asac: im leaning towards letting Mozilla handle the new features for bugs as in snbird adding choices to the set up of calendars
[10:58] <asac> but read too little bug mail to be efficient at all
[10:59] <asac> gnomefreak: yes, feature bugs can go up
[10:59] <asac> gnomefreak: you should consult reed
[10:59] <asac> he knows most bugs filed upstream
[10:59] <asac> and usually has a good upstream bug at hand ;)
[11:00] <asac> gnomefreak: you can subscribe in bugzilla to get new bugs
[11:00] <asac> you can subscribe by product or even everything i think
[11:00] <gnomefreak> thought so i atleast asked the person to file it upstream but i dont remember if he did or not, and we need to make sunbird and lightning depend on libst5++ or whatever lib that is
[11:00] <asac> but i guess its a huge bug mail volume
[11:00] <asac> gnomefreak: no we don't
[11:00] <asac> gnomefreak: that guy complained here as well
[11:00]  * gnomefreak needs to do that today sometime
[11:01] <gnomefreak> a few people have installed it to make it work
[11:01] <asac> he mixed up upstream builds and our builds
[11:01] <gnomefreak> oh
[11:01] <asac> gnomefreak: you need it if you install upstream builds
[11:01] <asac> not ours
[11:01] <gnomefreak> i thought it was our build
[11:01] <asac> definitly not
[11:01] <asac> i am 100% sure
[11:03] <gnomefreak> next time i see it i will make sure, i plan on hitting my bugs in my LP profile and new mozilla bugs and will set up the other packages that we work on to like for new bugs we have links to firefox and xul i was gonna add sunbird and freids to the mozilla team bug page
[11:04] <asac> gnomefreak: ok.
[11:04] <gnomefreak> and possible look into them. Oh and btw the flash video bug while switching tabs or playing one vid in each tab causing crash and such (will have to find bug to be sure) but i remember testing this on the MAC site a while back
[11:04] <asac> gnomefreak: firefox-3.0 is th enew thing - but i guess you already know
[11:04] <asac> i mostly gave up on firefox
[11:05] <gnomefreak> firefox 2 you gave up on?
[11:05] <asac> i just look somtimes and reassign those that were wrongly posted against ffox 2
[11:05] <gnomefreak> well mostly
[11:05] <asac> gnomefreak: i gave up on dealing with the bugs
[11:05] <gnomefreak> asac: i have some free time now but i will hit them atleast for a little while each day
[11:05] <asac> gnomefreak: i just look after security releases if there are any regressions reported
[11:05] <asac> so i can act
[11:06] <gnomefreak> do we have anyone working on TBird bugs normally?
[11:06] <asac> gnomefreak: yes. if there are feature bugs against firefox (2) you can set them won't fix
[11:06] <gnomefreak> wont fix please file upstream :)
[11:06] <asac> same for any not really important issue. fact is that upstream firefox won't see any real bug fixes
[11:06] <asac> gnomefreak: not even that
[11:06] <gnomefreak> oh
[11:07] <asac> i usually say: firefox 2 won't receive this fix as its in stable maintenance mode. if you see this bug in firefox 3 please open a new bug against firefox-3.0
[11:08] <asac> gnomefreak: you can also ask hiim to reassign to firefox-3.0 if he still sees it and mark incomplete
[11:08] <gnomefreak> maybe ill do the firefox new bugs once i get to link and try to confirm them, is there a way to keep prfiles seperate in gutsy and hardy for ff? so i know that its a clean set up or whatever?
[11:08] <asac> gnomefreak: hard to say. you can still install firefox-2 package in hardy
[11:08] <asac> but the profiles might still be a problem
[11:09] <gnomefreak> that makes sense and you did that the whole day monday or tuesday
[11:09] <asac> (e.g. switching back and forward might cause a mess at soe poin)
[11:09] <asac> gnomefreak: the wont fix triage?
[11:09] <gnomefreak> asac: yes
[11:09] <asac> i closed 100 bugs yes :)
[11:09] <gnomefreak> and the we havent heard from  you closing bug
[11:10] <gnomefreak> i saw that :)
[11:10] <asac> right. i tried to figure if there were any regressions from the last security release we rolled
[11:10] <asac> and found it completely incomprehensible to have such a high bug count
[11:10] <gnomefreak> i also need to get tb 3 and update my seamonkey 2 and such maybe try to pull all this off today
[11:11] <asac> gnomefreak: tb3 is only in fta archive. if there is anything not high-prio its that ;)
[11:11] <asac> but you can try of course :)
[11:11] <asac> not sure about its state though. its pre-alpha from what i know
[11:11] <gnomefreak> i agree more we can bring it down the better some fixes would be nice to have in 3.0 but i cant remember them off hand
[11:11] <asac> gnomefreak: yes. if we want to do serious bug work for thunderbird we should check if the bug is still in tbird 3 ... if not close it as wont fix
[11:11] <asac> with the same argument as for firefox 2
[11:12] <asac> tbird 2 won't receive any non-critical fixes ... bla bla bla
[11:12] <asac> and try to forward those that are really important and stil in tbird 3
[11:12] <gnomefreak> i know not high priority but i still have to get back into packaging (remember command, learning more about errors as i did with bash while i was in hospital
[11:13] <asac> gnomefreak: sure. thats all good
[11:13] <gnomefreak> yep they are final releases and should only get bug fixes not new features
[11:13] <asac> do whatever you like most. this ought to be fun - at least most of the time.
[11:13] <asac> gnomefreak: yes. and even minor bug fixes wont go in
[11:13] <asac> mostly its about regressoin hunting we have to do for ffox 2 and tbird 2
[11:14] <asac> e.g. find bugs that appeared in new releases that were not there in the release before
[11:14] <asac> and so on
[11:14] <gnomefreak> including our minor fixes as well as wishlists? if we can pull it off on our end (maybe just add them to 3.0 if we cant sneak them in on 2.0
[11:14] <gnomefreak> that we do
[11:14] <asac> gnomefreak: wishlists are certainly all won't fix for ffox 2 and if they make a bit sense could be moved to ffox 3
[11:15] <asac> gnomefreak: i'd like to keep the bug count low (well) on firefox 3 ... so better not reassign wishlists bug on our own
[11:15] <asac> tell the user to test and if he really care add a firefox-3.0 target
[11:15] <gnomefreak> well today ill be up and down from PC but most of time if i dont fall asleep ill be here, if you find a bug you need tested let me know
[11:15] <asac> then set to won't fix for firefox 2
[11:16] <gnomefreak> ok that makes sense
[11:18] <gnomefreak> going for a smoke and maybe something to eat but ill be back pretty much shortly, we need to update the debugging/retracing page for firefox since i had to add one -dbg package to it but im hearing aloit of this doesnt work for firefox3 or how do i do it for sunbird and so on so im thinking one of these days i might start on listing them for the most part and seems i heard firefox-dbg is nolonger a packages (guessing because pack
[11:21] <asac> gnomefreak: right
[11:21] <asac> lets talk abou twhen you come back
[12:10] <gnomefreak> ok im back just cleaning up kernels and making a to-do-list so i can mark as i get done :)
[12:44] <gnomefreak> asac: ok im going to lay down and try to finally sleep, i will make the list when i get back of what i need to work on and if you have anything to add or you think of something let me know and ill add it to  list :)
[12:47] <asac> gnomefreak: right. i need to recover from release stress too ... probably not really usable until tomorrow i am :)
[12:47] <asac> so probably ill be off early today too
[12:47] <asac> in case, cu tomorrow
[12:47] <gnomefreak> thats fine you have been working really hard from the emails i read
[12:47] <gnomefreak> have fun :)
[12:51] <armin76> you slackers :P
[13:06] <fta2> hi
[13:07] <fta2> asac, any progress with the draft ?
[13:15] <asac> fta: hey
[13:15] <asac> fta2: i planned to draft this in a quite minute after the release
[13:15] <asac> which hopefully gets out soon ;)
[13:17] <asac> something like me setting in a cafe with my laptop typing while breething fresh air ;)
[13:17] <asac> s/setting/sitting/
[13:17] <fta2> yep, sounds the perfect day for that. at least here
[13:17] <fta2> 20°C, sunshine
[13:17] <asac> yeah ; .... getting better every day here too
[13:18] <asac> we have 18°C, shunshine
[13:18] <asac> but we are on 52° latitude ... while you are on what? 46°?
[13:19] <asac> \o/ ... winter has finally ended
[13:20] <fta2> hm, 48,8°
[13:20] <gnomefreak> asac before you go can you look at but #209794 not sure if this was intental from upstream or what but im not sure if it really fits SRU i have same issue and work around works if you need further info please ask me later or in bug and i will get you anything you need to know about it. bye everyone its 8:20am and im going to sleep finally
[13:20] <fta2> asac, 52° ? waa. where are you ?
[13:21] <fta2> gnomefreak, hi ! glad you're back
[13:21] <gnomefreak> fta2: thanks im glad to be back
[13:22] <fta2> hardy is out
[13:24] <asac>  \o/
[13:24] <asac> !hardyisout
[13:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hardyisout - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:24] <asac> damn :)
[13:25] <james_w> !isitout
[13:25] <ubotu> YES!
[13:25] <asac> lame me ;)
[13:30]  * asac seeds
[13:54] <fta2> me too
[13:59] <fta2> it's not that fast
[13:59] <fta2> i've uploaded 4.5G
[14:05]  * armin76 doesn't :P
[14:16] <fta2> changing client
[14:24] <fta2> it's even worse
[14:24] <fta2> 22Mbps instead of 35
[14:30] <fta2> 48
[14:42] <fta2> too many slow leechers
[14:42] <fta2> and enough seeders, it's not worth it
[15:14] <gnomefreak> oh this sucks
[15:15] <gnomefreak> how do you spell liason (a person that is a go to for another area)
[15:16] <fta2> liaison ?
[15:16] <gnomefreak> reedis one for Ubuntu <--> mozilla
[15:16] <gnomefreak> that looks right thanks
[15:16] <fta2> so it's the same word in french :)
[15:16] <gnomefreak> looks like it
[15:17] <gnomefreak> iaison li`ai`son" (l[-e]`[asl]`z[^o]N"), n. [F., fr. L. ligatio, fr. ligare to bind. See Ligature, and cf. Ligation.]
[15:17] <fta2> oh, it's a french word then
[15:17] <gnomefreak> thank you :) working on a to do list for me
[15:18] <gnomefreak> well that is only 1 definition out of like 6
[15:18] <gnomefreak>  4. Hence: A person whose function it is to maintain such
[15:18] <gnomefreak>  communication.
[15:18] <gnomefreak>  [PJC]
[15:18] <gnomefreak> is the way i meant it
[15:41] <gnomefre1k> wtf
[15:43]  * gnomefre1k cant remember how to change nicks :(
[15:51] <gnomefreak> did we drop the package ubuntu-php-firefox-human?
[15:52] <fta2> never heard of that
[15:53] <gnomefreak> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-php-firefox-human/
[15:53] <gnomefreak> its seems dapper and edgy only
[15:53] <gnomefreak> one of our wikis points to it (just have to go through and find what one it was :(
[16:14] <gnomefreak> ok my list got way too damn long, maybe find people on team to help with someof these things that we started and never finished for one reason or another. I will update the to do page soon with some of this that cant be handled in a few minutes
[16:14] <gnomefreak> brb smoke
[17:56] <craig_> hey guys, i just have a quick question about firefox in the 8.04 release
[17:57] <craig_> When the final release of firefox 3 comes out, will it be an update in ubuntu from the beta 4or5 that is in there currently? or will users have to do it manually?
[18:08] <asac> craig_: we always update to latest :)
[18:08] <asac> so yes ... in a few days RC1 ... then final
[18:08] <asac> then 3.0.1 ... 3.0.2
[18:08] <asac> and so on
[18:08] <craig_> ok awesome
[18:08] <craig_> wasnt sure with some of ubuntu's stuff only being security updates and such
[18:09] <craig_> well thanks guys and take care
[19:34] <jcastro> asac: fta2: around?
[19:36] <armin76> asac: 3.0.1, really? not 3.0.0.1?
[19:41] <[reed]> 3.0.1 really
[19:46] <Jazzva> Evening all :)...
[19:56] <armin76> [reed]: hows that?
[19:56] <[reed]> 2.0 was never supposed to be 2.0.0.x
[19:56] <[reed]> it was a mistake
[19:56] <armin76> ah, it was a fail :P
[19:56] <[reed]> we had 1.0.x, then 1.5.0.x (1.5).0.x, then the wrong 2.0.0.x, and now we're back to 3.0.x
[19:58] <asac> jcastro: ?
[20:03] <jcastro> asac: I just sent you a mail
[20:03] <jcastro> asac: basically, upstream is aware of bug 215728 and wanted to pass along that he's working on it
[20:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215728 in firefox "High CPU Consumption" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215728
[20:03] <asac> jcastro: ok thanks.
[20:04] <asac> jcastro: ill follow up on the bug and ping dave .. whats his nick?
[20:04] <jcastro> dcamp
[21:55] <Sergeant_Pony> is it possible to setup groups in the TB address book?
[22:10] <gnomefreak> am i done with the fucking name crap
[22:45] <Jazzva> gnomefreak, any special bugs you need help with?
[22:46] <Jazzva> s/special/particular/ :)
[22:51] <fta> jcastro, asac: i'm also aware of this bug. I even experienced it while seeding the 6 CDs today
[22:54] <Jazzva> gnomefre3k, you there :)? any special bugs you need help with?
[22:54] <Jazzva> umm ... particular
[22:54] <gnomefre3k> Jazzva: i answered but seems my connection is very bad and i will be calling ISP soon
[22:54] <gnomefre3k> Jazzva: not off hand i have 2 im trying to get to crash and cant
[22:55] <Jazzva> Oh ... Hope your connection will be better soon
[22:55] <Jazzva> Ok then... I'll search for some that need to crash and try to make FF crash :)
[22:59] <Sergeant_Pony> is it possible to setup groups for an address book in TB. I searched the help section and it wasn't any help.
[23:03] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: try to crash this one? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/195319
[23:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195319 in firefox "firefox-3.0 crashes on icanhascheezburger.com" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[23:03]  * Jazzva is a frequent visitor of ichc.com :)
[23:03] <gnomefreak> i get errors from minewidget
[23:04] <Jazzva> I can't remember it crashed on ichc...
[23:04] <gnomefreak> i posted what i came up with from site
[23:08] <Jazzva> i'll try with FF2... Can't make it crash with FF3...
[23:08] <gnomefreak> thank you let me know and ill try it on Hardy or Gutsy Hardy would be better ;)
[23:15] <Jazzva> Nope, no crash...
[23:23] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: can you please set status bak to incomplete
[23:23] <gnomefreak> with your comments
[23:24] <Jazzva> For FF2? But, there is somebody who said it's happening on 2.0.0.14. Hmm, might need more reports... :)
[23:24] <gnomefreak> we need crash reports that one strace isnt enough
[23:24] <Jazzva> ok
[23:25]  * gnomefreak betting its the site or flash on the site
[23:25] <Jazzva> Place my bet on flash :)
[23:25] <Jazzva> (if it's using any (I think it did before))
[23:26] <asac> yay, bugwork :)
[23:27] <Jazzva> normal people tend to avoid crashes ... we tend to force them :)
[23:27] <gnomefreak> not really yay with these <insert bad word>
[23:27] <Jazzva> Is there a wiki page on obtaining crash reports?
[23:27] <asac> right :) ... its funny that the best feeling is to find a way to reproduce a crash reliably ;)
[23:28] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: yeah its mozillateam/bugs
[23:28] <gnomefreak> wiki
[23:28] <asac> thats outdated i have the feeling
[23:28] <gnomefreak> i have a list of wiki shit that needs to be done
[23:28] <gnomefreak> like 29+ items
[23:28] <Jazzva> asac: "Ok.. see, see this. Watch the magic ... it crashes instantly and every time"
[23:28] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah ... we should try to collapse the wiki to the most important bits
[23:28] <Jazzva> Yeah... browsing through mozilla team, it needs cleanup
[23:29] <Jazzva> *mozilla team wiki
[23:29] <asac> its nice to make something big out of it, but we also have to think about what happens in th efuture
[23:29] <asac> "can we maintain it with reasonable amount of work"
[23:29] <gnomefreak> thats what i have listed since we have parts on 3 pages are same and some we have to add thinggs to and so on
[23:29] <gnomefreak> well it cant get any worse
[23:29] <asac> we have far too much content in there imo
[23:30] <asac> we should focus on the mostimportant bit and keep those up-to-date
[23:30] <gnomefreak> but people dont under stand the if its not ff use app-dbg
[23:30] <gnomefreak> bug reports :(
[23:31] <asac> gnomefreak:  i am sure that we don't want to do that. if there is a crash report without the autotracers doing their job for any reason we should ask them to resubmit the .crash file by double clicking on it
[23:31] <asac> that shouldn't be too hard
[23:31] <asac> (too hard to do for the bugreporter)
[23:32] <asac> http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/invalid-crash.py
[23:32] <asac> thats a script i run to close those bugs :)
[23:32] <asac> maybe we should replace the name by som ething more generic so anybody can use it
[23:33] <asac> if users report bugs without extension info and so on i used http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/resubmit-bug-menu.py to tell them to resubmit through help->submit a problem
[23:33] <asac> which (hopefully) attaches extension, plugin and other info we need
[23:34] <asac> maybe asking to submit the files manually would help, but that would put more work on triagers and submitters imo
[23:34] <asac> s/would help/would be nice/
[23:36] <Jazzva> gnomefreak, marked as incomplete for ff2...
[23:36] <Jazzva> and asked for a crash report
[23:37] <gnomefreak> thanks one person came up with strace and i got errors that i posted but nothing of much help, my errors look like site errors TBH
[23:38] <Jazzva> No problem... I'd say it's Flash. *frustrated_with_flash_for_linux* It's just not good enough.
[23:38] <gnomefreak> what no instructions in the commetns area ;)
[23:38] <Jazzva> There's a wiki link :P
[23:38] <gnomefreak> in the first py script?
[23:39] <Jazzva> Oh... you're talking about the scripts :). Sorry
[23:39] <gnomefreak> in the invalid script
[23:39] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: it never will be
[23:39] <asac> he?
[23:39] <asac> let me check ;)
[23:40] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: Hope is the last to die :)...
[23:40] <asac> gnomefreak: oh wait
[23:40] <asac> thats the wrong file for closing bugs where the submitted crash reporter just yielded garbage
[23:41] <asac> let me get the right one ...
[23:42] <Jazzva> Hmm ... not sure if bug 23616 is still relevant. I had Firefox freezing when using Flash, but it haven't happened in the last few {weeks,months,something}.
[23:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 23616 in firefox "firefox freezes after using flash" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/23616
[23:42] <asac> http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/mozillateam/moztools_lp/
[23:43] <Jazzva> And it's 3 years old :/...
[23:43] <asac> those is the sad set of scripts i have
[23:43] <Jazzva> And for FF1.0
[23:43] <gnomefreak> see if its reproducible on newer versions ;)
[23:43] <asac> well ... such a generic flash bug probably still exists.
[23:43] <asac> but almost certainly all the freezes we now see are different to the one he ses :)
[23:43] <asac> hard case
[23:44] <Jazzva> Ok, clicked on the moon on some site. no crash :)...
[23:44] <asac> most likely its hard because it cannot be triaged by us
[23:44] <Jazzva> I'll ask for some test case...
[23:44] <gnomefreak> are we still using tags?
[23:44] <asac> maybe we should do is create generic bugs for flash "arbitrary flash related crashes"
[23:44] <Jazzva> BTW, are we still using mt-... tags?
[23:44] <asac> and "arbitrary flash related feature/rendering bugs"
[23:44] <gnomefreak> one of the project wikis is tags and states
[23:45] <asac> and mere every bug we have into those two
[23:45] <asac> and leave that alone forever
[23:45] <asac> maybe at some point we get a communication channel to adobe ... then we can reroll those
[23:45] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah dump it. we need a much more aggressive approach
[23:46] <gnomefreak> maybe phase out adobe all together and just focus on getting gnash up to par
[23:46] <gnomefreak> asac: per tags?
[23:46] <asac> gnomefreak: thats the goal. but we still need to put the bugs somewhere
[23:46] <gnomefreak> on adobe.is-shit.org
[23:46] <asac> closing them is not really good as closing sometimes causes more bugs just because someone disagrees
[23:46] <asac> at least thats my experience
[23:46] <Jazzva> asac: ok... I'll mark it as incomplete, until we make (if we make) the one-bug-to-rule-them-all
[23:47] <asac> Jazzva: maybe add something so we can find them easily
[23:47] <Jazzva> mt-flash? :)
[23:47] <asac> e.g. a tag ... or a keyword in title
[23:47] <asac> whatever you want. just remember that you used it
[23:47] <gnomefreak> yeah i like that
[23:47] <asac> Jazzva: i think ther eis already a generic flash tag available
[23:47] <gnomefreak> mt-flash or something
[23:47] <asac> most likely someone used it
[23:47] <asac> so no need to create another one
[23:47] <Jazzva> I'll try to find it
[23:48] <asac> Jazzva: i am sure that just flash as a tag should work
[23:48] <gnomefreak> did we lose 2 memebers of team?
[23:49] <asac> who?
[23:49] <gnomefreak> alex and freddy
[23:49] <Jazzva> flash and flashplugin-nonfree tags already exist... I'll go for flashplugin-nonfree, since it's more specific and has 0 bugs associated with
[23:49] <asac> gnomefreak: yes. but that happened before you left.
[23:49] <gnomefreak> if someone knows how to use bughelper please make a list of all flash bugs so we can go threw them as a set
[23:50] <gnomefreak> oh
[23:50] <gnomefreak> that would explain the wiki's not getting updated
[23:50] <asac> hehe
[23:50] <asac> one reason
[23:50] <asac> but i think a lot of content was even added by david
[23:50] <asac> who left pretty quick
[23:50] <gnomefreak> yeah
[23:50] <asac> but alex maintained it i think
[23:51] <gnomefreak> that i saw as well
[23:51] <gnomefreak> brb looking for dinner before hitting bugs at full force
[23:53] <asac> i think the knowledge base could be useful if filled with proper content
[23:53] <Jazzva> Changed my mind ... I'll mark them with flash tag, since it might happen with other flash plugins, too.
[23:55] <asac> right