[00:00] <Fujitsu> How do you know this?
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[00:02] <Fujitsu> Um, riiight.
[00:06] <elky_work> Seveas, nice of him to show that he doesnt give a fecal_matter by stalking
[00:07] <mc44> He's just jealous of Seveas's gnomish good looks
[00:08] <Seveas> ljudkort, how can we help you?
[00:08] <nalioth> nobody ever stalks me
[00:08]  * Fujitsu creeps unnoticably.
[00:08] <Seveas> nalioth, you can borrow my stalker
[00:08] <nalioth> Seveas: send him on over
[00:08] <elky_work> nalioth, i have one in ghana you can borrow, though afaik he only does email :-/
[00:08]  * nalioth will teach him/her/it about civility
[00:09] <ljudkort> Seveas, I have a 100 MBit connection (both directions) unused, so I was wondering if I could help you in some way at the release?
[00:09] <Seveas> ljudkort, seed the torrents :)
[00:09] <nalioth> ljudkort: is it unlimited?
[00:09] <nalioth> yes, helping seed the torrents is a goodness
[00:09] <Seveas> people with fast connections seeding the torrents is always a good idea
[00:10] <ljudkort> nalioth, how do you mean?
[00:10] <ljudkort> Seveas, yeah, that was my own thought.. Seeding it for a couple of weeks
[00:10] <nalioth> ljudkort: if you have unlimited bandwidth, you might unofficially help with the heavy lifting 
[00:10] <ljudkort> I have unlimited bandwidth, no restrictions
[00:10] <nalioth> 0_0   wish i were so lucky
[00:11] <elky_work> speaking of, i should make use of my linode bandwidth
[00:11] <ljudkort> :) But really, is there any way I can help you guys in the beginning? The torrents probably need as much bandwidth they can get right from the start
[00:11] <nalioth> ljudkort: all manner of download needs help at the start
[00:11] <Seveas> ljudkort, so help them get started :)
[00:12] <elky_work> ljudkort, start torrenting the beta now.
[00:12] <elky_work> many people will get the beta now and upgrade on release day
[00:12] <ljudkort> Will do
[00:12] <ljudkort> RC aswell?
[00:12] <Seveas> ljudkort, if you get the RC images now, you can rsync them to final when released
[00:12] <elky_work> well yes, that's what i meant
[00:14] <ljudkort> Oh, really? And sorry, I'm quite new to Ubuntu, 7.04 was the first for me
[00:14] <elky_work> yeah, well they changed the pre-release versioning for this time, so i still get confused
[00:16] <Fujitsu> elky_work: Did we? Where?
[00:16] <ljudkort> Well, I'll seed every torrent I can find. But if you need any bandwidth, or need seeding on a torrent, just send me a note, I'll start seeding immediately if I'm nearby the computer
[00:16] <elky_work> Fujitsu, alphas rather than flights,herds etc
[00:17] <Fujitsu> elky_work: I guess.
[00:17] <mneptok> speaking of herds ....
[00:17]  * mneptok stares at the Debian/HURD KVM image
[00:43] <ubotu> Pelo called the ops in #ubuntu (Randa1l)
[00:45] <Pici> my fault
[00:45] <Pici> I removed the ban earlier today
[02:18] <mneptok> stdin: what's the council alias?
[02:19] <stdin> mneptok: because then the council can decide if they want to keep the channel or not
[02:19] <stdin> as all the council have access to that account
[02:19] <mneptok> stdin: but who does he add to the access list?
[02:19] <stdin> UbuntuIrcCouncil should do it I think
[02:19] <stdin> or at least if that's the contact
[02:20] <stdin> mneptok: do you remember the incident around the #k-kde4 channel? I'm just trying to avoid that again
[02:21] <mneptok> don;t recall
[02:22] <stdin> when the #kubuntu-kde4 channel was setup, with no one on the access list
[02:22] <mneptok> stdin: UbuntuIRCCouncil added at 30 to #u-r-p-es
[02:23] <stdin> mneptok: then we can let them deal with it and get back to the party :)
[02:50] <Fujitsu> Phear mneptok!
[02:50] <mneptok> hrm?
[02:50] <Fujitsu> They listened to you.
[02:51] <mneptok> that danish on my head helps
[02:51] <Fujitsu> I thought it was a snail.
[02:52] <mneptok> snail-flavored danish.
[02:52] <mneptok> French breakfast.
[02:53] <Fujitsu> Hahah.
[02:53]  * gnomefreak comes back when i get this crap fixed ;)
[03:18] <Fujitsu> Sudden death in #u-r-p now!?
[03:21] <tonyyarusso> !time
[03:21] <ubotu> Information about using and setting your computer's clock on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuTime - See https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/server/C/NTP.html for information on usage of the Network Time Protocol (NTP)
[03:21] <tonyyarusso> bah
[03:21] <tonyyarusso> !reltime
[03:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about reltime - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:23] <tonyyarusso> !reltime is <reply> No, we do not know what time 8.04 will be released.  However, rest assured that it will be out before the clock hits 23:59:59 on Baker and Howland Islands.  Until then, please stop asking.
[03:23] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, tonyyarusso said: !reltime is <reply> No, we do not know what time 8.04 will be released.  However, rest assured that it will be out before the clock hits 23:59:59 on Baker and Howland Islands.  Until then, please stop asking.
[03:23] <tonyyarusso> gah
[03:23] <tonyyarusso> %login
[03:24] <tonyyarusso> !reltime is <reply> No, we do not know what time 8.04 will be released.  However, rest assured that it will be out before the clock hits 23:59:59 on Baker and Howland Islands.  Until then, please stop asking.
[03:24] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, tonyyarusso said: !reltime is <reply> No, we do not know what time 8.04 will be released.  However, rest assured that it will be out before the clock hits 23:59:59 on Baker and Howland Islands.  Until then, please stop asking.
[03:24] <tonyyarusso> wth
[03:25] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: please stop asking
[03:25] <mneptok> bantracker = buhbye
[03:25] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: It recognized login in PM...
[03:37] <mneptok> Zelta: i warned you multiple times. you even acknowledged you had a last warning.
[03:37] <Zelta> I only asked if it was out yet
[03:37] <Zelta> I see countless others doing the same
[03:38] <mneptok> Zelta: please ...
[03:38] <mneptok> Zelta: i'm not an idiot. don;t play games.
[03:38] <Zelta> [21:35]	<Zelta>	Is it out yet
[03:38] <Zelta> [21:35]	<Anastasius>	Is it out yet?
[03:38] <Zelta> Then, I was banned
[03:39] <mneptok> yes, yes you were.
[03:39] <mneptok> you decided to play games. you lost.
[03:39] <mneptok> be a big boy and lose with some dignity.
[03:39] <Zelta> I guess I just don't see how asking if it is out on a channel devoted to celebrating when it comes out is worthy of a ban?
[03:39] <mneptok> you have another 6 months to think about that.
[03:40] <mneptok> and if you'd like logs, i have them.
[03:40] <Zelta> I'd just like to know why it is worthy of a ban
[03:40] <mneptok> because you spent HOURS watching people being told "please stop asking."
[03:40] <mneptok> you were warned about the meaningless noise you were generating.
[03:40] <stdin> because, when you know it's not out (and you knew that), you're really just flooding the channel
[03:41] <Zelta> And what else are we to talk about in there?
[03:41] <Zelta> Isn't the sole purpose of the channel to discuss when it is out?
[03:41] <mneptok> no.
[03:41] <stdin> it's not called #ubuntu-when-is-it-out
[03:42] <Zelta> Nor is it called #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:43] <stdin> constantly repeating after being warned would get you banned in any ubuntu channel
[03:43] <mneptok> Zelta: funny that the rules now are of importance to you. you might try following them before you're banned next time.
[03:43] <stdin> #ubuntu-release-party is no different
[03:43] <Zelta> They are always of importance to me.
[03:43] <Zelta> The only "disruption" I caused was asking if it was out yet.
[03:43] <Zelta> I did not contribute to the lewd innuendo that took place earlier
[03:45] <mneptok> 21:27 < Zelta> when I google heron I get odd pictures of men and women performing odd acts
[03:45] <mneptok> 21:28 < Zelta> oh wait that's "hair on" not "heron"
[03:45] <mneptok> bzzzzt. fail.
[03:45] <mneptok> 21:28 < Zelta> nvm
[03:46] <Zelta> Sorry, I guess I just forgot that "party" means "absence of fun"
[03:48] <mneptok> you also forgot "last warning" means "better stop playing games"
[03:49] <Zelta> Yeah, and also I didn't realize that asking if it is out in a channel celebrating its release was bad
[03:49] <mneptok> welp, now you know. anything else we can do for you?
[03:51] <Zelta> Yeah: when does it come out?
[03:52] <tonyyarusso> #ubuntu-release-party No, we do not know what time 8.04 will be released.  However, rest assured that it will be out before the clock hits 23:59:59 on Baker and Howland Islands.  Until then, please stop asking.
[03:53] <mneptok> (pssst .... my /kick msg was *almost* "apparently too late to prevent procreation in your father's case")
[03:54] <Fujitsu> Hahah.
[04:12] <tonyyarusso> 300 in -r-p, whoo!
[04:21] <Pici> We really should watch our bans in #ubuntu over the next few days especially...  
[04:22] <stdin> heh, someone just /msg'd me "help" and "test"
[04:22] <stdin> they thought I was a bot :p
[04:23] <mneptok> reply with "CREDIT CARD INFORMATION RETRIEVED"
[04:23] <tonyyarusso> Pici: yes, very very much so...
[04:24] <tonyyarusso> A good reason to be more attached to /remove instead of bans (and make nalioth happy to boot)
[04:27]  * Pici yawns
[04:28] <Pici> I'll be back in ~7 hours, good luck if the release is some time during that
[04:29] <Hobbsee> mneptok: *grin*
[04:31] <mneptok> hm?
[04:40] <Hobbsee> mneptok: i just like your reply...
[04:46] <fdkrew> any operators here?
[04:47] <Hobbsee> no, we're all out drinking
[04:48] <fdkrew> dam lucky
[04:49] <fdkrew> I want to know if i can get unbanned so i can join the ubuntu release party, cause i was asking when it was released.
[04:51] <elky_work> fdkrew, how many times did you ask?
[04:52] <mneptok> fdkrew: that is not why you were banned
[04:52] <mneptok> 22:34 < fdkrew> is it out of the closet yet?
[04:52] <mneptok> 22:34 < fdkrew> the cat?
[04:52] <mneptok> 22:35 < fdkrew> when is it comming out?
[04:52] <mneptok> 22:35 < fdkrew> the new will smith cd?
[04:52] <mneptok> do i need to go on?
[04:56] <fdkrew> i was joking with others
[04:56] <fdkrew> it is a party channel right
[04:56] <fdkrew> dam some people cant take jokes
[04:56] <mneptok> so if i come to a party at your house with 6 friends, and we "jokingly" start screaming at the top of our lungs, and won;t stop, that will be funny? and you'll welcome us?
[04:56] <fdkrew> i never refered to ubuntu 
[04:57]  * gnomefreak must be missing channels :(
[04:57] <fdkrew> well if your texting at my party i wont hear u
[04:58] <mneptok> i'll gladly pastebin the entirety of what you said tonight for other ops to see
[04:58]  * nickrud is _not_ going to the party
[04:58] <mneptok> you sure you want that?
[04:58] <gnomefreak> cant be that bad. can it?
[04:58] <mneptok> your signal:noise was .... ungood.
[04:58] <fdkrew> let me lower my dB level then  rofl
[04:59] <elky_work> mneptok, let me guess, he resembled a random string spewing bot?
[04:59] <mneptok> elky_work: bots tend to have some rudimentary AI
[04:59] <fdkrew> im asking nicely if i can go back, ill keep the signel to noise level down i promise
[05:00] <fdkrew> apt-get remove spambot ...ok
[05:00] <mneptok> fdkrew: now *that's* maybe the first honest thing you have said all night.
[05:01] <fdkrew> i wouldnt be here if i wasnt right, i was really making a joke
[05:01] <mneptok> you are unbanned
[05:01] <fdkrew> just didnt think i was doing anything bad sorry
[05:01] <fdkrew> thank you
[05:01] <elky_work> fdkrew, you know not all jokes are funny, appropriate or necessary, right?
[05:01] <fdkrew> ill behave
[05:01] <fdkrew> yea i learn my lession
[05:01] <elky_work> acting like a twoyrold in the back of a car isnt any of the above
[05:01] <fdkrew> rofl
[05:02] <fdkrew> "are we there yet?"
[05:02] <fdkrew> i used to say that alot when i was small
[05:02] <elky_work> that's precisely it. the party channel is like THREE HUNDRED TWO YEAR OLDS :-/
[05:02] <mneptok>  /m fdkrew isitoutyet isitoutyet isitoutyet isitoutyet isitoutyet isitoutyet isitoutyet isitoutyet isitoutyet isitoutyet isitoutyet isitoutyet isitoutyet
[05:03]  * mneptok tootles off for home
[05:03] <fdkrew> i think the party channel should be people talking about imaginary partying lol
[05:04] <elky_work> should be? yes. is? no. it's currently 300 toddlers in the back of a car, which is really grating to anyone who's graduated past toilet training
[05:04] <fdkrew> they should be an age limmit for the party channel
[05:05]  * nickrud really isn't going near it now
[05:05] <elky_work> fdkrew, and you propose we get genuine age checks over the internet how?
[05:05] <fdkrew> but wont work like the 14 year old girls on myspace lol
[05:05] <fdkrew> that say there 21 lol
[05:05] <nickrud> nothing more fun that a bunch of 20 somethings running round like toddlers. 
[05:05] <fdkrew> rofl
[05:06]  * gnomefreak thought i would be back a week or 2 before releaese :(
[05:06] <nickrud> better now than later :)
[05:06] <gnomefreak> true
[05:06] <elky_work> gnomefreak, you're back and that's the main thing :)
[05:06] <fdkrew> so any new features that really stand out in this release to you guys?
[05:07] <elky_work> fdkrew, this isnt a chat channel per se
[05:07] <fdkrew> ohh ok sorry
[05:07] <gnomefreak> :)
[05:07] <fdkrew> answer that question if its ok with you and ill head out
[05:07] <fdkrew> better from you then toddlers right
[05:08] <elky_work> the people here with any inclination to answer are already in -party
[05:08] <fdkrew> ok cool later and thanks
[05:08] <gnomefreak> fdkrew: yes a bunch please see release notes on the download page
[05:08] <fdkrew> yea ive read them
[05:59]  * tonyyarusso waves at gnomefreak 
[06:00]  * gnomefreak waves at tonyyarusso 
[06:00] <tonyyarusso> Feeling better?
[06:00] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: compared to how i was yes alot
[06:00] <gnomefreak> thanks
[06:01] <ubotu> In #ubuntu+1, cwillu said: ubotu arewethereyet is No. we don't know exactly the time when 8.04 will be released.
[06:02] <tonyyarusso> good stuff
[06:02] <gnomefreak> good but not really true
[06:03] <gnomefreak> some people do know when it will be released, for example anyone running up tp date Hardy is in final :)
[06:04] <Hobbsee> [15:04] <Fujitsu> Can you add a <reply> to the start of isitout, please?
[06:04]  * Hobbsee gets ready for work
[06:05]  * gnomefreak confused
[06:05] <Hobbsee> heh, she can have being left alone when she stops putting her "the ops are doing i t wrong" in the channel.
[06:05] <gnomefreak> emma is new to IRC?
[06:05] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: No.
[06:05] <gnomefreak> i see
[06:05] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: far from it.
[06:05] <stdin> emma is "known"
[06:05]  * gnomefreak doesnt remember him/her
[06:06] <stdin> complained about the irseek log bot
[06:06] <tonyyarusso> and I'm still very curious who cleared the -r-p bans to let her in in the first place
[06:06]  * gnomefreak doesnt remember gnomefreak half the time either
[06:06] <gnomefreak> i saw that email not too long ago
[06:06] <gnomefreak> or was it on CC page
[06:06] <gnomefreak> either way read about it
[06:07] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: i doubt she'll stay there for long.  if she's going to complain about every ban....
[06:07]  * mneptok smiles for the camera
[06:07] <Hobbsee> and it's just going to get crazier in there
[06:07] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: correct
[06:09] <nickrud> you are all very welcome to it.
[06:10] <Hobbsee> ugh.  there will be  no publicising of their channel today, either.
[06:11] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: Nope.  Remove on mention.
[06:11] <Hobbsee> only remove?
[06:11] <tonyyarusso> well, depending on the person.
[06:12] <tonyyarusso> I've used remove for the "harmless" types in -ot.  Haven't encountered otherwise yet, but other situations would warrant more.
[06:12] <gnomefreak> ok my timestamp is still right :(
[06:25]  * gnomefreak cant understand if Hardy is that important why not upgrade your ubuntu to it instead of waiting for servers to lock up 
[06:27] <icanhas> what do you mean?
[06:28] <gnomefreak> people are waiting a bugging out over when ISO will be released
[06:28] <gnomefreak> no need to if you have Ubuntu already
[06:28]  * icanhas loves apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:29] <Fujitsu> No no no.
[06:29] <Fujitsu> Do not use dist-upgrade
[06:29] <Fujitsu> Use update-manager or do-release-upgrade.
[06:29]  * gnomefreak hasnt tested do-release yet
[06:30] <icanhas> I meant if one _already has_ hardy, to update to the final
[06:30] <gnomefreak> maybe once new tool chain is uploaded
[06:30] <Fujitsu> icanhas: Ah.
[06:30] <gnomefreak> icanhas: if you have it and its up to date its final hardy
[06:31] <icanhas> gnomefreak: oh, the RC wasn't / isn't being adjusted at all?
[06:31] <gnomefreak> icanhas: as of a day or 2 ago most likely not. i just got back to pc after 3 months
[06:31] <Amaranth> Can I start banforwarding people to #ubuntu-release-party?
[06:31] <gnomefreak> mine is final 
[06:31] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: from where?
[06:31] <gnomefreak> ;)
[06:31] <Amaranth> #ubuntu
[06:32] <tonyyarusso> Amaranth: that's one option, although just remove first (remember, the banlist is limited)
[06:32] <gnomefreak> it is?
[06:32] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: maybe warn first than remove
[06:32] <Amaranth> and randomly banning one person from #ubuntu-release-party to get them to shut up
[06:32] <Amaranth> tonyyarusso: Well, the idea was to do it for maybe 5 minutes then remove it
[06:32] <icanhas> gnomefreak: well if that's true, then techincally the daily build of today will be almost identical to the release :)
[06:32] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: yeah.  It's a very high limit, but we still manage to reach it from time to time.
[06:32] <tonyyarusso> Amaranth: that works too.
[06:32] <gnomefreak> icanhas:  it is the iso that is being spun atm
[06:32] <Amaranth> We reach the ban limit all the time
[06:33] <gnomefreak> what is the limit?
[06:33] <gnomefreak> i saw something about it in email but missed most of it
[06:33] <Amaranth> no idea what the number is
[06:33] <tonyyarusso> me either.
[06:34] <Amaranth> but we usually end up clearing like 50-100 bans when we hit the limit
[06:34] <gnomefreak> icanhas: they have to freeze the archive before they can spin ISO's
[06:34] <Amaranth> happens like every other month
[06:34] <tonyyarusso> I went through last month and cleared probably 250 though.
[06:34] <icanhas> gnomefreak: gotcha :)
[06:34] <gnomefreak> do we have alternative to it?
[06:34] <gnomefreak> as in perm bans or are they all released at a time now
[06:34] <gnomefreak> example expliot users
[06:37] <Amaranth> how many people do you think we'll get in #ubuntu?
[06:37] <Amaranth> we're already up to as many as we got last release
[06:37] <gnomefreak> wait till -party is closed and +1 is closed
[06:37]  * elky_work notes to icanhas that until the millisecond that the release is announced, the devs can (and have before) change something if they find a showstopper
[06:38] <Amaranth> +1 goes away the second the release is announced
[06:38] <gnomefreak> yep
[06:38] <Amaranth> Or whenever Seveas gets around to closing it once he notices the release
[06:38] <icanhas> Goes away? Shouldn't it be used to talk about Ibex?
[06:38] <gnomefreak> icanhas: not for a bit
[06:38] <icanhas> oh ok :)
[06:38] <Amaranth> Not until there is something to talk about
[06:38] <Amaranth> Meaning when the archive opens
[06:38] <elky_work> icanhas, there will be a few weeks downtime to let the devs breathe
[06:39] <gnomefreak> icanhas: the tool chain needs to be released with a few updates before anyone really uses it including -devs
[06:39] <Amaranth> elky_work: pfft, it's actually just so they'll upload to hardy-proposed instead of focusing on shiny new stuff :)
[06:39]  * gnomefreak forgets to breathe at times
[06:39] <gnomefreak> ok who borked e17?
[06:40] <elky_work> Amaranth, that too. but seriously... the core devs will have not slept the past few weeks. they need a break before we let people get excited
[06:40] <Amaranth> elky_work: I know the feeling
[06:40]  * gnomefreak already has things to build for +1 :(
[06:40] <Amaranth> I was getting so little sleep the last two weeks I slept all day today, just crashed
[06:41] <Amaranth> Something unrelated to Ubuntu though
[06:41] <elky_work> yep. and people wonder why it takes until the end of UTC release day for the announcement ;)
[06:41] <Amaranth> gnomefreak: I have some things too :)
[06:41] <Seveas> morning's here, the morning's here!
[06:41] <Seveas> just woke up
[06:41] <gnomefreak> morning Seveas 
[06:41] <elky_work> Seveas, no, it's not out yet :P
[06:42] <Seveas> darn :)
[06:42]  * gnomefreak has to fix e17 before bed and its already almost 2am
[06:42]  * gnomefreak goes to smoke hopes apt can fix it for me
[06:42] <elky_work> btw, i tried to use the 'one does not simply walk into Mordor' line on my boss, but he'd not heard it before :(
[06:42] <Amaranth> btw, I'm betting on 1700 people
[06:43] <elky_work> i seriously got a o.O reaction
[06:43] <Amaranth> I said that last release too and we got less than during the feisty release
[06:43] <elky_work> Amaranth, we hit 1600 last time iirc?
[06:43] <Amaranth> But this is an LTS so I think we'll have more interest
[06:43] <Amaranth> elky_work: I thought it maxed out at 1450
[06:43] <elky_work> Amaranth, no....
[06:43] <elky_work> Seveas, can you recall?
[06:43] <gnomefreak> we should hit 1700 without much of a thought if you ban forward to #ubuntu
[06:43] <elky_work> i believe one of us blogged
[06:44] <Amaranth> Ok then, let me get optimistic again
[06:44] <Amaranth> 2100
[06:45] <Amaranth> any everyone with less than a 1mbit connection lags out due to all the noise
[06:46] <Seveas> we were at 1400+ yesterday already
[06:47] <elky_work> http://www.geekosophical.net/?cat=75
[06:47] <elky_work> and i believe we hit higher than that
[06:48] <elky_work> that was a year ago
[06:48] <elky_work> i think we'll top 1600, Amaranth
[06:50]  * Fujitsu kills emma.
[06:50] <elky_work> not here thanks
[07:06]  * gnomefreak worries about CIT person at times
[07:06] <Fujitsu> gnomefreak: Indeed.
[07:06] <gnomefreak> ok good im not the only one who saw that
[07:07] <tonyyarusso> over 400 in -r-p now
[07:07] <Fujitsu> It's getting pretty crazy in there.
[07:07] <mneptok> we really do need that XKCD bot in that channel
[07:08] <Fujitsu> Which xkcd bot?
[07:08] <mneptok> bans on any unoriginal inputline
[07:08] <Fujitsu> Ahaha.
[07:08] <Jucato> !no popcon is <reply> The Ubuntu Popularity Contest project is an attempt to map the usage of Ubuntu packages. To participate, install the package "popularity-contest", and see  http://popcon.ubuntu.com/ and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucasNussbaum/PopconDraft
[07:08] <ubotu> I'll remember that Jucato
[07:09] <mneptok> "is it out yet" and "it's out!" are done.
[07:13] <mneptok> Amaranth: did you speak Choctaw?
[07:13] <mneptok> s/did/do/
[07:13] <mneptok> 02:11 < sdakak> Amaranth: sound in flash not working, hair lying on the ground
[07:13] <mneptok> wtf?
[07:13] <Jucato> are we there yet?
[07:13] <Amaranth> mneptok: err, no?
[07:14] <Amaranth> that has me confused too
[07:14] <Fujitsu> Jucato: We're here, yes.
[07:15] <Jucato> :D
[07:16] <mneptok> Amaranth: i was just clued in. "i'm pulling my hair out."
[07:16] <mneptok> but still ... uhwhuh?
[07:17] <Amaranth> yeah, i understood that bit
[07:17] <Amaranth> just have no idea why that was directed to me
[07:17] <Amaranth> I'm first in the user list?
[07:17] <Amaranth> no, i didn't have +o on so that wasn't true
[07:22] <Seveas> arh
[07:22] <Seveas> emma found the party
[07:22] <elky_work> days ago
[07:23] <Seveas> can't we just say that bans from #ubuntu and -offtopic apply there too? 
[07:26] <tonyyarusso> Seveas: There _was_ one.  I don't know where it went.
[07:27] <elky_work> Seveas, ive just had a report she's doing the PM spam thing that we *have told her repeatedly not to do in our channels*, so probably worthwhile
[07:28] <Seveas> from people in -release?
[07:28] <Seveas> more imporantly, from people who'll repeat it in here?
[07:29] <elky_work> negotiating
[07:31] <Fujitsu> The reporter is currently not responding.
[07:33] <elky_work> emma, stop PMing people we talk to here. there is no way you can have a relationship with someone who you read in a log. stop doing it.
[07:34] <PriceChild> tonyyarusso: couldn't you have just had a quick word in PM?
[07:35] <tonyyarusso> PriceChild: I don't have time for a "quick" word with every idiot that comes through there - we've had dozens already.
[07:35] <elky_work> PriceChild, and how does that help the rest of the ops monitoring the channel?
[07:35] <Fujitsu> Seveas: Ewwww.
[07:35] <tonyyarusso> hehe Fujitsu 
[07:36] <PriceChild> you had time to do a quick remove...
[07:36] <PriceChild> a quick "/msg nick Please don't use gay as a derogatory term in #ubuntu-release-party" is a lil nicer than removing.
[07:36] <PriceChild> immediate backlog didn't seem like he did anything worse, correct me if wrong
[07:36] <tonyyarusso> You wanna deal with the followup?
[07:37] <tonyyarusso> No, that's what it was for.
[07:37] <PriceChild> yes, and am
[07:38] <elky_work> PriceChild, shall i now repeat your logic of quick PM?
[07:38] <tonyyarusso> All right. will try perhps
[07:38] <tonyyarusso> wow, spelling died
[07:38] <PriceChild> elky_work: wrt what?
[07:38] <Seveas> PriceChild, and, no, I don't do a quick pm with people who insult me
[07:39] <Seveas> so can it
[07:39] <elky_work> PriceChild, informing tonyyarusso in PM instead of reprimanding him publicly?
[07:40] <PriceChild> understood
[07:41] <tonyyarusso> It's a fine idea, I'm just not particularly prepared to get into any long discussions at 1:40 AM :)
[07:41] <elky_work> unless of course, you value the trolls and spammers more than your fellow ops of course
[07:41] <Seveas> elky_work, well, that seems to be freenode standard :)
[07:42] <PriceChild> Tis true, i've been assimilated and am no longer a true part of ubuntu-irc.
[07:42] <Seveas> PriceChild, then we should have another person on the council
[07:43] <tonyyarusso> let's not go into this today please.
[07:43] <elky_work> this isnt the time
[07:43] <PriceChild> I was being sarcastic...
[07:43] <Seveas> I wasn't 
[07:43]  * tonyyarusso parties, then realizes he's tired
[07:44] <Seveas> tonyyarusso, get some sleep, party will continue for a while :)
[07:44] <tonyyarusso> Seveas: yeah, I should
[07:44] <elky_work> tonyyarusso, go now while it's 'quiet'
[07:44] <tonyyarusso> haha
[07:44] <elky_work> are we up to 500 yet? nope? still quiet
[07:50] <ATHF-Assemble> so any mention of the "N word" is forbidden...even if it's a quote?
[07:50] <PriceChild> ATHF-Assemble: what n word, where?
[07:50] <stdin> ATHF-Assemble is HunterSThompson
[07:50] <PriceChild> No this isn't a trick question forcing you to use it...
[07:50] <ATHF-Assemble> and I don't mean the racist "N word"  in #ubuntu-release-party
[07:51] <Seveas> ATHF-Assemble, yes you did
[07:51] <Seveas> "what if the nazis won the war"
[07:51] <HunterSThompson> I said "This is what the whole hep world would be doing if the nazis had wont he war"
[07:52] <HunterSThompson> it's a quote...
[07:52] <HunterSThompson> I will refrain from using that word again...but I really didn't think it would get me banned
[07:53] <Seveas> HunterSThompson, well it did
[07:53] <elky_work> what is a 'hep world'?
[07:53] <HunterSThompson> hep is the precursor to Hip
[07:54] <elky_work> the world where nobody has hips?
[07:54] <HunterSThompson> any way to get back into the party room?
[07:54] <HunterSThompson> hip as in cool
[07:54] <tonyyarusso> PriceChild: Clearly he's not - funny, that.
[07:54] <HunterSThompson> indeed
[07:54] <Seveas> HunterSThompson, no, you're banned remember
[07:55] <HunterSThompson> forever?
[07:55] <PriceChild> tonyyarusso: if only he read the announce lists or something..
[07:55] <tonyyarusso> PriceChild: hehe, yeah
[07:55] <HunterSThompson> if only I knew what the heck that was
[07:55] <Seveas> HunterSThompson, well, 6 months or a day doesn't make much difference in there 
[07:55] <HunterSThompson> how about 6 minutes and time served?
[07:56] <ompaul> Seveas I can has pm ?
[07:56] <icanhas> vote on it ;)
[07:56] <Seveas> ompaul, you can has
[07:56] <ompaul> you no has
[07:56] <HunterSThompson> well this sucks
[07:57] <elky_work> HunterSThompson, i'm going to demonstrate how well 'it was a quote' works. if i was to quote 'your mother is a..' with some nasty thing about your mother, from some police tv show.,.. would you like it and laugh alot?
[07:57]  * icanhas feels taken in vain ;)
[07:57] <HunterSThompson> probably
[07:57] <ompaul> icanhas, you has
[07:57] <elky_work> HunterSThompson, surely you love your mother enough to be annoyed at those who infer she lacks hygiene and chastity?
[07:57] <HunterSThompson> what did I say that was nasty?
[07:58] <HunterSThompson> I called nobody a nazi nor did I make any anti-semitic rmarks
[07:58] <elky_work> HunterSThompson, i personally find the thought of the political party you mentioned winning the war to be quite unsavory
[07:58] <HunterSThompson> as do I
[07:59] <elky_work> you glorify that horrible and despicable part of history each time you speak their name
[07:59] <PriceChild> I don't agree with that elky_work.
[07:59] <HunterSThompson> I do no such thing
[07:59] <sorteal> I'm not saying anyone is right but what about free speech?
[07:59] <icanhas> yeah, it seems kind of silly, really.
[07:59] <ompaul> there is none
[07:59] <HunterSThompson> so saying the word hun would glorify Atilla...or saying Hell's Angels would somehow put Sonny Barger up on a golden pedestal
[07:59] <tonyyarusso> !free speech | sorteal 
[07:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about free speech - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:59] <stdin> sorteal: is there anything we can help you with?
[08:00] <HunterSThompson> ?
[08:00] <tonyyarusso> bah
[08:00] <elky_work> sorteal, what makes your free speech more important than mine?
[08:00] <tonyyarusso> !freespeech | sorteal 
[08:00] <ubotu> sorteal: Please don't pepper the channel with cries of buzzwords like "free speech!", especially when you don't know what they mean nor are they applicable to the current situation.  See http://tonyyarusso.com/politics/what-free-speech-isnt for more information.
[08:00] <HunterSThompson> not applicable?
[08:01] <Seveas> emma, what can we do for you?
[08:01] <gnomefreak> not every country has free speech (keep in mind before saying what about it)
[08:01] <sorteal> Nothing but he got banned from a channel for simply saying something.
[08:01] <elky_work> HunterSThompson, i dont live in the US, nor does tonyyarusso, nor does Seveas, nor does ompaul.
[08:01] <emma> Seveas your comment in #ubuntu-release-party was a really alarming response to my friendly comment.
[08:01] <tonyyarusso> elky_work: err?
[08:01] <elky_work> we do not have a first amendment to protect the Media.
[08:01] <gnomefreak> elky_work: tonyyarusso is i thought
[08:01] <emma> Seveas -- I was trying to use the party to talk to you in a relaxed way. Maybe we could start building some better relationships
[08:01] <elky_work> tonyyarusso, you're not canadian anymore?
[08:01] <tonyyarusso> elky_work: one of us does, actually :)
[08:01] <ompaul> elky_work, tonyyarusso be from us 
[08:02]  * gnomefreak from us most of time
[08:02] <tonyyarusso> elky_work: Well, Canadian at heart.  US by passport and residence.
[08:02] <ompaul> gnomefreak, hiya
[08:02] <gnomefreak> ompaul: hi :)
[08:02] <tonyyarusso> hoping to return sometime
[08:02] <elky_work> tonyyarusso, you're canadian to me
[08:02] <ompaul> good to see ya
[08:02] <emma> I find it touching that I'm included in the party. It means a lot to me. I consider it thoughtful.
[08:02] <HunterSThompson> Well that's nto my fault...and I wasn't the one who mentioned free speech
[08:02] <jtmoney_> freedom of speech nazis?
[08:02] <Seveas> emma, and why would a comment from me to you be appropriate discussion in here? THis channel is for ops issues. If you have no ops issues to discuss, please read the topic
[08:02] <tonyyarusso> (although they have similar, and actually far more inclusive, laws in their constitution)
[08:03] <jtmoney_> jeez
[08:03] <elky_work> HunterSThompson, you aksed why it wasnt applicable
[08:03] <emma> Seveas - You are an op. 
[08:03] <gnomefreak> ompaul: good to be back just wish i could sleep now
[08:03] <Seveas> emma, I am many things
[08:03] <emma> Seveas - Aren't we all.
[08:03] <Seveas> jtmoney_, no idling in here, and definitely no trolling
[08:03] <HunterSThompson> so I did...
[08:03] <ompaul> !idle | jtmoney_ 
[08:03] <ubotu> jtmoney_: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only, and we ask you to part when you have no further business here, in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries.
[08:03] <emma> Seveas - My comment to you was like an olive branch. Some niceness. I thought it was sweet that you invited me to be in your party.
[08:04] <elky_work> emma, who invited you?
[08:04] <Seveas> emma, I didn't invite you. Nor did any ops I know
[08:04] <jtmoney_> okay, i'm actually banned from -r-p
[08:04] <emma> Seveas - When you responded the way that you did, it was a little bit unkind. But besides that, you insinuated things that aren't true. So I came in here to find out what that is about.
[08:04] <Seveas> now please leave this channel if you have no ops-related issues to discuss
[08:04] <elky_work> i'm actually curious as to who gave this invite?
[08:04] <emma> I am discussing an ops related issue.
[08:04] <Seveas> jtmoney_, well, then you should have behaved, shouldn't you
[08:05] <elky_work> emma, then answer an op's question: who invited you?
[08:05] <emma> elkbuntu - I thought you did.
[08:05] <jtmoney_> man, i love ubuntu... but i can't get over the authoritarian crap you guys are dishing out on irc
[08:05] <elky_work> emma, i did no such thing
[08:05] <emma> That makes me sad.
[08:05] <HunterSThompson> me too
[08:05] <Seveas> emma, first you said I did, now elky_work. You're just lying again
[08:05] <stdin> jtmoney_: then don't use IRC
[08:05] <emma> It has really felt for a long time that just when a person finds out there is a community is the time I was being pushed out of it by a few of you.
[08:05] <jtmoney_> why all the drama?
[08:06] <jtmoney_> do you guys feel powerless in other aspects of your lives?
[08:06] <emma> Seveas -- Why can't more than one person invite me?
[08:06] <emma> This is an IRC party it's not like invitations are sent by mail.
[08:06] <emma> When I say invite I don't mean a little card, I mean that I am welcome to be there.
[08:06] <emma> The word invite means that I am welcome to be there
[08:06] <elky_work> emma, uh, you need a dictionary.
[08:06] <Seveas> emma, weird definition of inviting. Must be from your standard troll dictionary again
[08:07] <HunterSThompson> I just want to be in the party...if I inadvertently insulted, debased or otherwise infuriated someone with my quote then I apologize profusely
[08:07] <emma> I was thanking you and elkbuntu for welcoming me to be there because it means somethign to me when I am included.
[08:07] <HunterSThompson> it was not my intent
[08:07] <elky_work> emma, you will be 'uninvited' soon if you dont cease PMing our users as we've requested multiple times
[08:07] <emma> elkbuntu, and Seveas no. To welcome is a standard meaning for invite. 
[08:07] <PriceChild> elky_work: do we have any proof of that?
[08:07] <Seveas> emma, this is going nowhere as usual.
[08:07] <elky_work> http://www.google.com.au/search?q=define%3Ainvite
[08:08] <emma> elkbuntu, I have not done anything wrong.
[08:08] <Seveas> emma, we sure as hell didn't invite you here and you are still not discussing ops-related things.
[08:08] <Seveas> So I'm going to ask you to leave
[08:08] <PriceChild> she's trying to discuss how you, an op treated her in party?
[08:08] <emma> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/invite  Please look at entry 3 for the definition of invite.
[08:08]  * gnomefreak goes to bed before head explodes wondering why being invited "there" has anything to do with being in "here"
[08:09] <mibbers> I have a question. Do you ops normally kickban people from channels who say things that you do not agree with? Why did someone come in here complaining that they were kicked because they said the word nazi in a harmless context?  Is not that contradictory to all that Ubuntu strives to be?
[08:09] <elky_work> PriceChild, we do. if the person would like to share it'd be good help
[08:09] <gnomefreak> night all will read the mailing list back issues to catch up sometime in morning
[08:09] <ompaul> I am off to the land of work
[08:09] <Seveas> ompaul, have fun
[08:10] <emma> When I was thanking you and others for being inviting that's exactly what I meant. I think maybe my heart looks for any chance to feel like there's an improvement some times.
[08:10] <ompaul> Seveas, one ibm xserver with lots of vacant disk space I will have lots of fun
[08:10] <ompaul> :)
[08:10] <Seveas> ompaul, :)
[08:10] <ompaul> Seveas, as long as the rest of the world does its work :)
[08:11] <Seveas> emma, judging from your lies in here so far I think you have lots of improvements to do before we really invite you
[08:11] <emma> My lies?
[08:11] <emma> When you use a word like lies, that is also not kind and not substantiated either.
[08:12] <emma> I gave you a link to the meaning of the word invite that I was using. 
[08:12] <emma> If I'm in a channel that all of you are actively oping, then I assume I'm welcome there and I'm invited to be there.
[08:12] <elky_work> that is untrue
[08:12] <Seveas> emma, lie 1: I didn't invite you. lie 2: you lied about not pm'ing. lie 3: elkbuntu didn't invite you
[08:12] <emma> Then that makes me really sad. It would mean a lot to me if this community were welcoming to me.
[08:13] <Seveas> emma, we're welcoming to people who don't troll and spam. 
[08:13] <emma> Seveas who did I pm?
[08:13] <emma> I am not a troll and I did not spam.
[08:13] <stdin> is anyone else receiving offensive messages from jtmoney_ or am I just special?
[08:13] <emma> Seveas you just made an accusation. You flat out called me a liar and you are saying that I spammed someone in pm in that channel. I would like you to put up the evidence now.
[08:13] <Seveas> stdin, you're always special
[08:14] <stdin> Yay for being special! :)
[08:14] <emma> The reason that this channel is logged is so that *everyone* can be accountable and respectful.
[08:14] <HunterSThompson> I'm not receiving messages from anyone...offensive or otherwise
[08:14] <Seveas> emma, the person who reported the spam isn't responding now and we don't paste pm's in here without consent
[08:14] <emma> You just called me a liar, and you have accused me of spamming in pm in #ubuntu-release-party. I would like you support that or else it is part of a pattern of antagonism.
[08:15] <tonyyarusso> Guys, this conversation is no longer going anywhere that hasn't been previously visited.  We have better ways to spend our time today, so unless there is a NEW issue to raise, please drop it and leave now.
[08:15] <Seveas> indeed
[08:15] <emma> Okay I'm happy to raise a new issue.
[08:15] <emma> Because Seveas alerted me to some fictitious problem, I read your #ubuntu-ops log
[08:15] <HunterSThompson> have I been unregistered as well as banned?
[08:16] <PriceChild> HunterSThompson: nope, you must not have /msg nickserv identify password 'ed
[08:16] <HunterSThompson> hmmm...it was working earlier
[08:16] <emma> In that log I found Fujitsu saying:  * Fujitsu kills emma.
[08:16] <emma> Is Fujitsu and op? 
[08:16] <Seveas> emma, so? You were misbehaving real bad and fujitsu needed to vent his frustration
[08:17] <tonyyarusso> Raise that issue with Fujitsu first, not this channel.
[08:17] <Seveas> better in here than in support or chat channels
[08:17] <emma> I would like you to bring forth specifically what I did to 'misbehave real bad' 
[08:17] <emma> I did.
[08:17] <tonyyarusso> And you know full well by now that chanserv will tell you who is an op where.
 Guys, this conversation is no longer going anywhere that hasn't been previously visited.  We have better ways to spend our time today, so unless there is a NEW issue to raise, please drop it and leave now.
[08:17] <Seveas> emma, you either drop it right now or you're out again.
[08:17] <emma> I did bring up a new issue.
[08:18] <emma> The first issue is that I was trying to reach out to you and thank you for being gracious. You responded with antagonism (or so it feels). 
[08:18] <ubotu> Gabz called the ops in #ubuntu-release-party ()
[08:19] <emma> The second issue is that you are calling me a liar with no support at all.
[08:19] <emma> The third thing is that you alerted me to an op in this channel using a conjugation of the verb "to kill" and applying it to me.
[08:20] <elky_work> Fujitsu, congratulations, emma just promoted you to op?
[08:21] <Fujitsu> That she did.
[08:24] <HunterSThompson> so...
[08:24] <PriceChild> I'm off, will be back in 2 hours. Not happy at why we've got so many people coming in here today.
[08:25] <tonyyarusso> HunterSThompson: so what?
[08:25] <Seveas> PriceChild, it's fricken release day. All the trolls come out as usual on release day
[08:25] <tonyyarusso> dav7, icanhas, sorteal, spb: Can we help you with something?
[08:25] <HunterSThompson> so...my cause seems pretty much lost
[08:25] <PriceChild> tonyyarusso: spb is a freenode staffer
[08:25] <tonyyarusso> PriceChild: ah, ty
[08:26] <icanhas> tonyyarusso: i can pm?
[08:26] <tonyyarusso> icanhas: That would be a question between you and your client :)  Do you have an op issue to raise here?
[08:27] <icanhas> actually, i did. but maybe not so much anymore :) good day
[08:27] <HunterSThompson> I've plead my case and even genuinely apologized...what more can I do?
[08:28] <Seveas> HunterSThompson, you can wait for the ban to be lifted, but not in here as this channel isn't for idling
[08:28] <HunterSThompson> alright...how long is the ban...?
[08:28] <tonyyarusso> HunterSThompson: Wait.  Generally, bans are lifted in fairly short order unless there's a reason not to.  If it's still there in a few days and you don't know why, return at that time to inquire.
[08:28] <PriceChild> I believe HunterSThompson should be unbanned now for his reasons above.
[08:29] <stdin> tonyyarusso: it's in -r-p, so a few days isn't applicable here
[08:29] <tonyyarusso> stdin: good point
[08:29] <Seveas> PriceChild, I disagree, he's been on the edge for a while and nazi comments are simply not welcome.
[08:29] <tonyyarusso> Well, iirc that's Seveas', so that will be his to deal with.
[08:30] <tonyyarusso> Until then, it's just a waiting game, but we will ask you to wait elsewhere HunterSThompson (you can try just joining the channel from time to time to see if it's lifted too)
[08:32] <HunterSThompson> well...thank's for hearing my arguments
[08:32] <HunterSThompson> I can always wait another 6 months for the next releasy party
[08:32] <HunterSThompson> O.o
[08:35] <tonyyarusso> back to 1400 in #ubuntu - world is waking up
[08:35] <Fujitsu> Indeed.
[08:36] <Fujitsu> I wonder what it will get to... must be much bigger than last time, surely.
[08:38] <tonyyarusso> well it's gone up by 11 since I said that
[08:38] <Fujitsu> Do we have a graph of people v. time somewhere?
[08:40] <tonyyarusso> nope
 you gonna ban my entire state?
 and then i will just come on with one of my many shells
 what's wrong with trolling?
 you don't find it amusing?
 getting a channel of 400 people all taking sides on something irrelevant, it's fun
[08:51] <Amaranth> Don't let this guy back in, ban anyone who looks like him
[08:51] <Seveas> ack
[08:51] <Fujitsu> Big ack.
[08:55] <Myrtti> what a backlog
[08:55] <Myrtti> I don't like it one bit
[09:02] <Myrtti> you guys need more @powah to scare people in -r-p?
[09:04] <Myrtti> Seveas, Amaranth ?
[09:04] <Amaranth> hehe, sure
[09:12] <ompaul> Seveas, I am in the *wrong* building ;-)
[09:13] <ompaul> I'll go there in an hour or so
[09:15] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[09:26] <Seveas> tonyyarusso, who's that?
[09:30] <tonyyarusso> over 1450 in #ubuntu now :)
[09:30] <tonyyarusso> and that's in the dead of night for NA still
[09:35] <Black_Magic> why am i not in the party ?
[09:35] <Seveas> no idea, but this is not the party so you might as well leave
[09:35] <tonyyarusso> 500 now :)
[09:40] <sorteal> was wandering why I was banned from release party room
[09:41] <Seveas> sorteal, calling us fascists if I understood it correctly
[09:41] <sorteal> Was I wrong?
[09:43] <Myrtti> nazi card == you lose
[09:45] <Myrtti> Fujitsu: http://myrtti.fi/temp/irssi-aliases.txt
[09:45] <Myrtti> damn, that's wrong
[09:45] <Fujitsu> Myrtti: Danke.
[09:45] <Fujitsu> Hah.
[09:46] <Myrtti> http://myrtti.fi/temp/irssi_aliases.txt
[09:46] <Myrtti> there
[09:47] <ubotu> stdin called the ops in #ubuntu (spikemcc needs a ban in here too (link posting))
[09:52] <[Vd]> Sorry of links on ubuntu party.
[09:52] <[Vd]> It's bad joke from me =(
[09:53] <Seveas> [Vd], it is. See you next release
[09:53] <[Vd]> yah
[09:57] <Myrtti> the topic at -r-p should be NO IT'S NOT OUT YET
[09:58] <Myrtti> and I'm not joking
[09:58] <stdin> you think people actually read the topic?
[09:59] <gnomefreak> who is paladine? im readin through some emails atm
[09:59] <Seveas> [Vd], if you have nothing else to discuss, see /topic
[09:59] <Myrtti> stdin: !wfm
[10:00] <stdin> how about an on-join message too ;)
[10:00] <[Vd]> Seveas: ok, thx
[10:08] <Myrtti> having liw in -r-p gets me into awe
[10:32] <ubotu> FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)
[10:32] <Seveas> LjL, can that trigger be disabled for today?
[10:47] <stdin> Seveas: Wutz is in #ubuntu too
[10:47] <stdin> and you should probably unban wubrgamer ;)
[10:51] <Seveas> stdin, i did
[10:52] <Seveas> and sent him an apology
[10:52] <stdin> that's happened to me twice today already, can't really rely on tab-completion with so many people
[10:55] <nalioth> i see we are running behind
[10:58] <Fujitsu> Did I accidentally ignore joins in #u-r-p, or is it done globally?
[10:59] <Myrtti> you did
[10:59] <Seveas> 1546 in #ubuntu
[10:59] <Seveas> we'll hit 1700 for sure, shall we hit 1800?
[10:59] <Fujitsu> Seveas: How much of the US is actually awake?
[11:00] <Seveas> Fujitsu, the insane part
[11:00] <Seveas> the ones that don't sleep at noght
[11:00] <Seveas> night*
[11:01] <nalioth> ones who don't sleep?
[11:01]  * nalioth is a vampire
[11:07] <Amaranth> The latest time in the US right now is 6am
[11:07] <Amaranth> so basically no one in the US is around yet
[11:08] <Fujitsu> Amaranth: That's what I thought. So we have lots of people missing.
[11:08] <nalioth> we're not?
[11:09] <Amaranth> nalioth: Well, some of us are :)
[11:09] <Amaranth> But we're crazy
[11:09] <nalioth> or vampires
[11:15] <Fujitsu> Almost 600...
[11:22] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-release-party, InvisiblePinkUn` said: ubotu's is always on da house :-)
[11:30] <Amaranth> robbie is back
[11:30] <Fujitsu> robbies?
[11:30] <Amaranth> taunting me and posting URLs
[11:30] <Fujitsu> Lovely.
[11:30] <Amaranth> Like he said he would
[11:31] <Amaranth> I think his nick was robbie
[11:31] <Fujitsu> I thought it had an s on the end.
[11:31] <Amaranth> maybe
[11:37] <PriceChild> 35 bans in there now... after just a day?
[11:42] <stdin> alienbrain in #ubuntu
[11:46] <LetsGo67> I have been banned by stdin in #ubuntu-release-party but I did not ask when it was coming out...
[11:46] <stdin> LetsGo67: I removed the ban, was slightly trigger happy. sorry
[11:46] <Amaranth> Don't post links though
[11:46] <LetsGo67> It's all right.  I was just saying it's fake.
[11:47] <LetsGo67> http://zw.releases.ubuntu.com/ says "Release Candidate"
[11:53] <Myrtti> don't post any links to ubuntu.com sites today
[11:53] <Myrtti> it's a waste of bandwidth
[11:54] <Myrtti> I'm using it for two reasons only today
[11:54] <Myrtti> 1) to subscribe to ubuntu-announce mailing list
[11:54] <Myrtti> 2) to get the torrent links when the announce is in my email
[11:57] <Myrtti> PSSTTTT /msg chanserv help set entrymsg
[11:57] <Myrtti> Amaranth, Seveas ^
[11:58] <Amaranth> I can't do that :P
[11:58] <Myrtti> you can't read chanserv messages ;-?
[12:00] <ubotu> In ubotu, darkfritz2 said: the LTS is no final release_
[12:07] <Amaranth> should +m for a couple minutes to calm people down
[12:09] <Amaranth> So apparently I'm the release manager
[12:09] <Amaranth> This is what people seem to have thought of
[12:09] <Amaranth> Cool, I'm going to delay the release
[12:11] <Myrtti> THERE HE GOES AND MESSES THE DAAAAYY
[12:16] <elkbuntu> Amaranth, so the users promote Fujitsu to op, and you to release manager... who's going to promote me to Mark's accountant? :)
[12:16] <Amaranth> claire?
[12:16] <elkbuntu> s/who's/when are the users/
[12:17] <Amaranth> she seems to do everything
[12:17] <elkbuntu> heh
[12:17] <Amaranth> i'll have to help with some of that at UDS, i got volunteered for crew duties
[12:17] <Amaranth> last time they put me with an automatix guy, now this
[12:17] <Amaranth> I am t3h hated
[12:17] <elkbuntu> why couldnt *I* get volunteered to the UDS? :(
[12:17] <stdin> ops in +1 please
[12:21] <elkbuntu> you knwo what IRC needs, a link killer tag sorta like the colour killer one
[12:24] <Pici> Morning
[12:28] <Pici> I see #ubuntu has reached critical mass
[12:30]  * Pici lauds Myrtti for her patience
[12:30]  * nalioth hands Pici a lit road flare and tosses him back in . . . .
[12:30] <nalioth> ah, not even 1600 atm
[12:31] <nalioth> we're far from critical mass
[12:31]  * Fujitsu wields his newly implied op powers.
[12:31]  * Pici ducks
[12:40] <PriceChild> That is 50 bans btw...
[12:41] <thoreauputic> People are assuming that the most active kicking op in -party is the release manager... that shows amazing mental powers ;p
[12:45] <Amaranth> quick, everyone say "The truth is I am the release manager."
[12:46] <Amaranth> better they bug us than the real one
[12:46] <stdin> erm: * #ubuntu-release-party *!*@117.192.2.185 :Channel ban list is full
[12:47] <PriceChild> stdin: see above
[12:47] <Amaranth> stdin: flush it? :)
[12:47] <stdin> heh
[12:47] <Amaranth> do it!
[12:47] <Amaranth> all at once, scare the crap out of everyone
[12:48] <stdin> alright
[12:48] <PriceChild> Can we be a little more sparing on bans this time around?
[12:49] <PriceChild> We can't just go on banning like we have... because apart from anything else, we're not getting an large ban list.
[12:49] <Fujitsu> stdin: Ow.
[12:49] <Amaranth> PriceChild: we'll ban for 60 seconds or something
[12:49] <Amaranth> long enough to make them not come back
[12:50] <PriceChild> Even if you're not going to agree with me on how some aren't deserved.
[12:50] <Myrtti> I officially hate release days
[12:50] <Pici> I think you're doing a great job in thre
[12:50] <Amaranth> Myrtti: Seconded.
[12:50] <Pici> there
[12:51] <Amaranth> We could use a bot though :/
[12:56] <nalioth> Amaranth: i believe both auto_bleh.pl and chanserv.py have 10 minute automated quiets
[12:57] <Amaranth> chanserv.py doesn't
[12:59] <ikonia> does this host hanuma@c-76-105-161-248.hsd1.wa.comcast.net show up with anyone as a "problem"
[12:59] <ikonia> ?
[12:59] <Pici> ikonia: why do you ask?
[13:00] <Pici> uh... is the bantracker down?
[13:00] <stdin> 404
[13:00] <elkbuntu> Pici, i believe sev is playing
[13:00] <ikonia> Pici: he made an odd comment in #ubuntu referencing an old irc log and then pm'd me with loads of random questions and comments 
[13:01] <ikonia> I seem to be getting a lot randoms I've never met before sending me pm's like they are my friends at the moment
[13:01] <Pici> ikonia: odd....
[13:01] <ikonia> I was curious (due to the irc log he quotes) if that host matched anything in #ubuntu
[13:01] <ikonia> Pici: it's very odd at the moment
[13:01] <elkbuntu> Pici, i believe the db hit critical mass
[13:01] <Pici> elkbuntu: The cgi page is gone
[13:02] <PriceChild> livingdaylight...
[13:02] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, that name rings bells the size of big ben
[13:02] <Pici> yes
[13:02] <nalioth> i was under the impression that chanserv.py had all the features of auto_bleh.pl plus a few more . . .
[13:04] <ubotu> stdin called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic ()
[13:04] <Pici> sigh
[13:04] <Pici> Are we at least sending them a message that posting links are not wanted?
[13:04] <Pici> if not we're going to get a lot of traffic in -ops
[13:05] <Seveas> sigh, ddos attaock on ubuntu-nl
[13:05] <Seveas> so I was away for a bit
[13:05] <Seveas> where are we release-wise?
[13:05] <Fujitsu> Same as always.
[13:08] <praveer_cool> Amaranth: sorry
[13:11] <Amaranth> praveer_cool: I haven't been keeping bans more than a minute
[13:11] <praveer_cool> but it says i am still banned
[13:12] <nalioth> praveer_cool: patience :)
[13:14] <ikonia> surly there must be a better more controlled method for future releases than this madness
[13:14] <stdin> /mode +m ?
[13:14] <nalioth> ikonia: they are all like this
[13:14] <Amaranth> praveer_cool: My client says you are not banned
[13:14] <stdin> and keep it that way
[13:14] <nalioth> it will be over soon
[13:14] <Myrtti> kill the internets
[13:14] <ikonia> I know, hence why I wondered if there is a better method ?
[13:14] <Myrtti> not really
[13:15] <ikonia> I can't think of one of the top of my head I admit
[13:15] <Amaranth> I feel really bad but I can't for the life of me remember who Kim^J is
[13:15] <Amaranth> Anyone give me a hint?
[13:15] <praveer_cool> Amaranth: "Cannot join #ubuntu-offtopic (You are banned)."
[13:15] <Amaranth> oh, offtopic
[13:15] <Amaranth> cleared
[13:15] <praveer_cool> Amaranth: thank you
[13:15] <Myrtti> [15:04] *** mode/#ubuntu-offtopic [+b *!*@unaffiliated/praveerfedora/x-094982]  by Amaranth
[13:15] <Myrtti> oh
[13:15] <Myrtti> missed
[13:17] <Myrtti> [15:16] < HairyHardon> Every time you ask if it's out yet God kills a puppy!!
[13:17] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[13:19] <ikonia> what is the advice for all the people asking?  join release-party ?
[13:19] <ikonia> or just "wait"
[13:19] <Seeker`> "shut up"?
[13:19] <ikonia> Seeker`: I'd love to....but not really professional
[13:20] <ikonia> 12:52 < frozty_sa|pc> IT'S RELEASED (incase someone hasn't seen)
[13:20] <ikonia> really ?
[13:20] <ikonia> I take it that +b = no
[13:20] <ikonia> :)
[13:21] <Fujitsu> Here it is.
[13:21] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[13:22] <ikonia> seaves has opened the flood gates
[13:23] <ubotu> In #ubuntu+1, Seveas said: !no isitout is <reply> YES IT IS OUT!
[13:23] <Seveas> @login
[13:23] <ubotu> OK
[13:24] <ikonia> ok, I'm out for a bit #ubuntu is out of control with silly people
[13:26] <jrib> ugh
[13:27] <Pici> yes
[13:28] <Myrtti> woo, the swedish mirror died
[13:28] <Myrtti> no, just jammed
[13:28] <Pici> Yikes, we've already passed our previous channel population peak
[13:28] <ikonia> this is not going well......
[13:29] <Pici> ikonia: it never does
[13:29] <ikonia> I feel bad for people actually trying to get support
[13:31] <nalioth> Pici: we've surpassed 1800 ?
[13:31] <Pici> nalioth: The previous peak was 1615 or so
[13:32] <nalioth> Pici: previous when?
[13:33] <Pici> nalioth: When 7.10 came out
[13:34] <Pici> nalioth: I lost connection some time during that release though, so my numbers may not be exact
[13:39] <Hobbsee> awww, drat, no backscroll
[13:40] <Hobbsee> how's it going?
[13:40] <Pici> Hobbsee: Crazy
[13:40] <Hobbsee> hehe
[13:40] <thoreauputic> 1660 + in #ubuntu now
[13:40] <Hobbsee> nice
[13:41] <Hobbsee> emma's still in -r-p, too.  wow.
[13:48] <PriceChild> !hardy
[13:48] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Support in #ubuntu+1 - Come join the #ubuntu-release-party now!
[13:51] <PriceChild> !no hardy is <reply> Hardy Heron is the codename for the current release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTSS) You can get it now from http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu but please use !torrents
[13:51] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, PriceChild said: !no hardy is <reply> Hardy Heron is the codename for the current release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTSS) You can get it now from http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu but please use !torrents
[13:51] <PriceChild> @login
[13:51] <ubotu> OK
[13:51] <PriceChild> !no hardy is <reply> Hardy Heron is the codename for the current release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTSS) You can get it now from http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu but please use !torrents
[13:51] <ubotu> I'll remember that PriceChild
[13:53] <Fujitsu> PriceChild: Long Term Super Support? I think you have an extra S.
[13:53] <Pici> @login
[13:53] <ubotu> OK
[13:53] <Pici> !hardy =~ s/LTSS/LTS/
[13:53] <ubotu> I'll remember that Pici
[13:53] <Fujitsu> Thanks Pici.
[13:53] <Pici> Surely
[13:54] <PriceChild> Fujitsu: :)
[13:54] <PriceChild> Look at Pici go with his scary codings.
[13:54] <PriceChild> !torrents
[13:54] <ubotu> Torrent downloads for the Ubuntu ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/ (CD) or http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases (DVD). Please download using the torrents if you can!
[13:54] <PriceChild> (just checking they were there)
[13:54] <spb> i like the way releases is for CD images, and cdimages is for DVD images
[13:54] <spb> nice and intuitive
[13:56] <PriceChild> spb They are seperate machines.. one can't handle both afaik. You get pointed to the correct one when going through the nice web pages anyway.
[13:57] <spb> so why, if there's one called cdimage.ubuntu.com, does it hold the releases that are not cd images?
[13:57] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: would be nice to stick the direct torrent links in there, so they didn't have to try to load the pages.
[13:57] <Hobbsee> spb: i'ts not big enough
[13:57] <PriceChild> spb: old name that stuck?
[13:57]  * Mez has always found the CDs on cdimage.ubuntu.com
[13:58] <stdin> if you can connect to cdimage
[13:58] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: which ones should we stick in there though?
[13:58] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: ubuntu desktop ones would be a good start.
[13:58] <Hobbsee> kubuntu ones too, if you have space
[13:58] <PriceChild> i386 64bit?
[13:58] <Hobbsee> for i386/amd64
[13:58] <Hobbsee> yeah
[13:59] <nalioth> spb: you can get cd images at cdimage.*
[14:00] <spb> nalioth: then fix the bot!
[14:00] <nalioth> spb: grab a torrent
[14:00] <PriceChild> !no torrents is <reply> Hardy can be torrented from http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04/ubuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent or http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04/ubuntu-8.04-server-amd64.iso.torrent depending on your architecture. Torrents for other Ubuntu flavours can be found at: http://releases.ubuntu.com/ (CD) or http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases (DVD).
[14:00] <ubotu> I'll remember that PriceChild
[14:01] <spb> PriceChild: why not just "can be found at cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases", since i'm told both kinds are there?
[14:01]  * PriceChild looks
[14:02] <PriceChild> nope.. just dvds there
[14:02] <stdin> cdimage just has DVDs last time I looked
[14:02] <Pici> I need to get some work done here... soo.. I'll just be glancing back
[14:02] <PriceChild> hardy cds haven't been pushed over
[14:05] <spb> ah, so everything people have been telling me here is in fact wrong
[14:05] <spb> and the cdimage name is silly
[14:09]  * Pici wonders when we should start shipping people to #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:12] <Pici> 09:11:52 <?orochi_> I see you didn't want to answer me in channel. :> I've contacted cgss in addition to the webmaster and the public relations e-mail addresses about this, I'll be interested in hearing what they think about how this channel is being run. By all means, though, feel free to threaten me in channel again if it makes you feel better. :>
[14:13] <Myrtti> cgss?
[14:13] <Hobbsee> Pici: oookay then
[14:13] <Hobbsee> sounds like someone we all know
[14:13] <Myrtti> what's cgss
[14:14] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: who?
[14:14] <PriceChild> I could probably put half a dozen names to it, just wondering if you had anyone in particular
[14:14] <Pici> Fyi, hes pissed because we removed / temp banned some people for posting premature links, and then got angry that we posted a digg link after the announcement had been made
[14:15] <Pici> Canonical Global Support Services
[14:15] <Hobbsee> Pici: just remove him.
[14:15] <Hobbsee> Pici: if he doesn't like it, too bad.
[14:16] <Hobbsee> he should know better than to whinge on release day, when we're clearly busy.
[14:20] <ubotu> In ubotu, Mez said: !mirror =~ s/gutsy/hardy/
[14:21] <Mez> oh yeah
[14:21] <Mez> no access
[14:21] <Pici> !mirror =~ s/gutsy/hardy/
[14:21] <ubotu> Nothing changed there
[14:21] <Pici> !mirror =~ s/Gutsy/Hardy/
[14:22] <Mez> lol
[14:22] <Mez> !mirror
[14:22] <ubotu> Ubuntu installation CDs can be downloaded from http://nl.releases.ubuntu.com - Mirrors can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive - PLEASE use the !torrents to download Gutsy, and help keeping the servers' load low!
[14:22] <Pici> !download =~ s/Gutsy/Hardy/
[14:22] <ubotu> I'll remember that Pici
[14:22] <Pici> twas an alias
[14:22] <Mez> !-mirror
[14:22] <ubotu> mirror is <alias> download - added by Seveas on 2006-06-19 08:46:58
[14:22] <Mez> ;)
[14:31] <no0tic> Seveas, ? are you closing #ubuntu+1 ?
[14:32] <Seveas> yeah :)
[14:32] <no0tic> already removed me too? :)
[14:32] <no0tic> I can part :)
[14:33] <tonyyarusso> 1700 :)
[14:33] <Seveas> I'm at G now :)
[14:33] <Pici> There has to be a better way of doing that
[14:33] <PriceChild> if you want to clear it, why not cs clear users?
[14:34] <tonyyarusso> Seveas: trying to automatically clear +1?
[14:34] <Seveas> because /kick triggers more autorejoins than /cs clear or /remove
[14:34] <no0tic> no no, I'll wait my kick
[14:34] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: poke
[14:34] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: meanie
[14:34] <tonyyarusso> Seveas: don't you want the autorejoin, to forward them to #ubuntu?
[14:35] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: can you join #ubuntu-release please?
[14:35] <Seveas> tonyyarusso, I do want that, hence I /kick :)
[14:35] <tonyyarusso> gotcha
[14:37] <Amaranth> oh, stupid chanserv.py
[14:39] <Hobbsee> wow, incorrect....
[14:39] <Pici> Seveas: When you get a chance, can you change ubotu's config to make hardy the default release for !info
[14:39] <PriceChild> Mez: curious?
[14:39] <Mez> yep
[14:39] <Mez> :{
[14:39] <Mez> :P
[14:39] <Mez> am I not allowed in there?
[14:39] <Seveas> Pici, will do
[14:40]  * tonyyarusso doesn't use that - has own script
[14:40] <tonyyarusso> Seveas: I'll try to learn enough perl to write in exemptions by next time :)
[14:41] <vorian> thanks tonyyarusso 
[14:41] <Amaranth> aww
[14:41] <Seveas> Amaranth, muhahah. I win!
[14:41] <Amaranth> you took away my ops :P
[14:42]  * tonyyarusso goes for breakfast
[14:42] <Seveas> shall I clear the banlist in +1?
[14:43] <Hobbsee> Seveas: modulo emma, yes.
[14:43] <Hobbsee> Seveas: and any other perma-bans
[14:44] <Pici> Or just leave it and we'll clean up when the channel re-opens
[14:45] <Seveas> cleaned already :)
[14:48] <elkbuntu> that conversation earlier was quite startlingly scary...there are certain things that one could apply to 'not saying no is an invite' to which make me really fear for her
[14:50] <Pici> elkbuntu: Which conversation?
[14:51] <Hobbsee> do i even want to know what emma wants to pm me for?
[14:51] <Hobbsee> guess i'll find out...
[14:51] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, didnt you forbid it?
[14:51] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: i did.  
[14:51] <elkbuntu> then it shouldnt be happening. it's something we dont want happening.
[14:52] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: it hasn't.  
[14:52] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: i declined the invite.
[14:52] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, and the invite was delivered how?
[14:52] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: in -r-p
[14:53] <elkbuntu> good
[14:54] <elkbuntu> emma, idling here is not permitted
[14:54] <PriceChild> Hey emma, how can I help?
[14:54] <nalioth> emma: can we help you?
[14:54] <emma> Hello PriceChild and nalioth
[14:54] <elkbuntu> w00t, i'm invisible.
[14:54] <PriceChild> elkbuntu: or less polite.
[14:54]  * nalioth is, too
[14:55] <emma> Last night some people said some things to me in the party channel that were a little alarming. I wondered if there was any resolution to that. 
[14:55] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, my manners for certain people ran out three months ago
[14:55] <elkbuntu> emma, who and what
[14:55] <emma> Because I was alerted that way, I checked the #ubuntu-ops log when I woke up this morning and I saw that Hobbsee made a comment about me that was also strange. 
[14:56] <Hobbsee> emma: probably not.  we're coordinating a very busy channel now.  Forgive us for not tending to you in the next few days.
[14:56] <emma> I am sorry for coming in here but when I asked if I could talk to Hobbsee about it directly I was brushed off. Also sort of embarrassing. I thought we had access to ops.
[14:56] <Pici> emma: Could we have examples, our psychic abilities are a bit drained from the release.
[14:56] <Hobbsee> besides, you've aksed us to leave you alone.
[14:56] <Hobbsee> so, go ahead and leave us.  you came to us, not to you.
[14:56] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: please
[14:56] <emma> I came in here because I tried to come to you directly and you shut me down.
[14:57] <Hobbsee> emma: you lost the priviledge of speaking in private to me after a whole bunch fo the stuff that you said.
[14:57] <emma> I never said anything uncivilized to you or spoke to you in any way that I don't speak to any other op.
[14:57] <Hobbsee> today is not a day i feel like wasting time to debate that, sorry.
[14:57] <emma> However, I have noticed that some things I've said to you in private messages made their way to be content on other people's blogs. 
[14:58] <Pici> Why dont we focus on the present instead of the past right now.
[14:58] <emma> Pici - Agreed. 
[14:58]  * Hobbsee is sure emma made a promise about removing "power tripping ops" from her channel, too.
[14:58] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, that sounds like a threat
[14:59] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: i didn't think so?  sounds like a comment about a promise that she didn't keep
[14:59] <Hobbsee> anyway, today is defiently not the day for this.
[14:59] <Pici> hm
[14:59] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: so ignore it, and let someone else deal with it.
[15:00] <emma> I changed the topic of our community channel when people who were reasonable with me asked me to do that. I changed it back after a pretty traumatic few nights for me, after I was banned from the entire ubuntu namespace including channels I've never stepped foot in. 
[15:01] <Hobbsee> so much for trust and mediation, then.
[15:01] <Hobbsee> anyway, as i said before, it won't get dealt with today, as this is release day.
[15:01] <tonyyarusso> emma: this is not the day for your "issues" please.
[15:01] <PriceChild> Why not?
[15:02] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: because of u-r-p.
[15:02] <tonyyarusso> PriceChild: because they're a useless timesink.
[15:02] <emma> The topic of our community channel did not change until after I was banned in a pretty difficult way for me, from the entire Ubuntu namespace. So in some ways I feel that trust works both ways.
[15:02] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: and hte fact that we can't really waste time in this channel.
[15:02]  * Hobbsee wonders if there's a non-difficult way of banning.
[15:02] <Myrtti> I was feeling sick before, I'm getting sicker. sorry all, this has nothing to do with any of you
[15:02] <Pici> :(
[15:02] <Seveas> emma, you have not given us a reason to trust you
[15:02] <emma> I don't think that's true either.
[15:02] <Seveas> it is
[15:03] <Seveas> and as said before, today is a bad day for your "issues"
[15:03] <elkbuntu> Seveas, no, we trusted her in the beginning and she abused that trust.
[15:03] <Pici> ...
[15:03] <Seveas> PriceChild, wtf are you doing?
[15:03] <Hobbsee> Seveas: PriceChild disagrees, and will personally deal with emma.
[15:04] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, go into PM with her, nobody else can stand her
[15:04] <Hobbsee> Seveas: in private, hopefully.
[15:04] <Seveas> fine, PriceChild deal with her in pm
[15:04] <Seveas> NOT in here
[15:04] <Amaranth> I've read up on this since emma tried to talk to me about it, I don't think anything it going to change from how it is
[15:04] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: and especially not today?  :)
[15:05] <elkbuntu> Amaranth, there's no reason for it to change. she hasnt.
[15:05] <PriceChild> What has emma done to deserve the mute in here today? You're busy and don't want to deal with it?
[15:05] <Amaranth> elkbuntu: And neither have we. :)
[15:05] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: something like that.
[15:05] <Seveas> PriceChild, read the logs from last night
[15:05] <LjL> i see i didn't choose a good time to step in, not to mention the excess floods... /me logs out
[15:05] <PriceChild> Seveas: yeah I wasn't happy with that either.
[15:05] <tonyyarusso> ikonia: can we help you with something?
[15:05] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: she's had over 2 months now, too.  there's no real reason that another day is critical.
[15:05] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: if it is, then I think we should get over it... we're not that important.
[15:06] <Amaranth> I dunno about that
[15:06] <Seveas> PriceChild, get over what? abuse, lies and spam? Or freenode staff tolerating that?
[15:06] <elkbuntu> Amaranth, when we're losing ops at the rate we are because of her, and calling us 'not important' is the stupidest thing i've heard in the past three months.
[15:06] <Amaranth> I'd love to see what #ubuntu would look like if we all went away for 24 hours. :P
[15:07] <elkbuntu> Amaranth, i think you know where to go to see that
[15:07] <PriceChild> Seveas: the things emma was accused of last night, I don't believe I've seen any evidence for?
[15:08] <Amaranth> Right, this is a very touchy issue and the logical solution is to get rid of emma as that will cause the least disruption.
[15:08] <Seveas> PriceChild, you saw the lies, and I trust the people who reported spam reports more than emma
[15:08] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, because people no longer feel that coming to us gets anywhere on the issue... since it doesnt
[15:08] <Hobbsee> Seveas: particularly if they're test users from the ops?
[15:09] <Amaranth> Wait, what happened last night?
[15:11] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: there are logs
[15:11] <Amaranth> the #ubuntu-ops logs don't see too useful
[15:12] <PriceChild> emma has spammed people in PMs, pretty confident of that. However I don't believe we have any reports of that for a couple of weeks. Anything from last night didn't give evidence, and the only name mentioned, afaict wasn't invited to a channel, just random talk in PM. I wasn't happy with how other users were treated last night, and emma slightly makes it into that bracket.
[15:12]  * Hobbsee blinks
[15:12] <Hobbsee> [00:13] <t00r> can someone send me 8.04-desktop-i386.iso per dcc???
[15:12] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: Fujitsu said that someone else alerted it of him earlier.
[15:12] <Seveas> Hobbsee, lol
[15:13] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: then do ops yourself.  no help.  just you and nalioth, and you can do it as you like.
[15:13] <Seveas> PriceChild, during release day we've always been more strict, you know that.
[15:13] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: "you say someone said that someone else did..."
[15:13] <Amaranth> I'm more interested in "how other users were treated last night" that upset you.
[15:13] <Amaranth> Pretend I make sense please, awake far too long.
[15:13] <Fujitsu> PriceChild: Said someone did not wish to comment on it publicly, unfortunately.
[15:13] <Seveas> Amaranth, we were stricter, more trigger happy. Normal on release day, PriceChild is making a fuss of nothing.
[15:14] <Amaranth> #ubuntu-release-party is very strict
[15:14] <Amaranth> We have to deal with like 4x the normal number of users at once
[15:14] <Seveas> Amaranth, yes, but since PriceChild is freenode staff now, he favors trolls and abusive users over ops
[15:14] <PriceChild> Seveas: yep i can understand, especially when the release team wants to stop links etc. so things can be gotten ready by the devs not suffering from high load. But when someone comes in, explains, apologises etc. etc. :/
[15:15] <Pici> I dont think this has anything to do with PriceChild's position on freenode.
[15:15]  * SportChick eyes Seveas 
[15:15] <elkbuntu> precisely. furthermore all channels are extra-strict around release time, yet we still manage to grow by a few hundred. pretty good result for doign it wrong
[15:15] <elkbuntu> SportChick, it's how we feel.
[15:15] <Seveas> Pici, i think it does. He (and nalioth) changed a lot since they became staff.
[15:15] <Amaranth> PriceChild: So they miss out on the channel for this release, no big deal
[15:15] <elkbuntu> SportChick, since this is now a 3month saga
[15:15] <Amaranth> The channel only exists to funnel craziness from #ubuntu
[15:16] <tonyyarusso> exactly
[15:16] <tonyyarusso> it's not like it's intended to have any particular worth of it's own
[15:16] <PriceChild> Amaranth: perhaps, it doesn't really matter, not being able to get into to -r-p in the grand scheme of things. Its the attitude of the ops I'm worrying about, because they affect more than one user.
[15:17] <Amaranth> Release day is no bullshit
[15:17] <Amaranth> Do something wrong, get banned, come back after the release craziness has died down
[15:17] <elkbuntu> Amaranth, +1
[15:17] <Seveas> Amaranth, exactly. Has always been this way and I see no good reason to change that
[15:17] <Seveas> you misbehave, you're out. Ruin the party: no party for you
[15:18] <Amaranth> Been that way since the hoary release, don't think we celebrated the warty release :)
[15:18] <PriceChild> I don't think some of them realised they were mibehaving, again I'm hilighting the one that came in here, tried to apologise, and got banned from here!
[15:18] <Seveas> and with this whole emma saga, freenode staff lost pretty much all my trust in them
[15:18] <elkbuntu> not only Seveas's either
[15:18] <Amaranth> PriceChild: They should read the topic then
[15:18] <Amaranth> I try to stay pretty hands off on IRC politics
[15:18] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, what nick?
[15:19] <Amaranth> I'm just here to ban someone when I get pinged
[15:19] <Seveas> PriceChild, nobody got banned for apologizing. They got banned for insisting on being unbanned 
[15:20] <Amaranth> Anyway...
[15:20] <Hobbsee> hmmm.  1 second lag now.
[15:20]  * elkbuntu awaits the nick
[15:20] <Amaranth> Oh, you too?
[15:21] <Amaranth> I hit 1.4 and thought it was my torrent
[15:21] <Hobbsee> Your Linode (hobbsee) has exceeded the notification threshold for outbound traffic rate by averaging 10.29 MB/s for the last 2 hours.
[15:21] <Hobbsee> yummy....
[15:21] <Pici> Great -_-
[15:21] <tonyyarusso> haha
[15:21] <Seveas> Hobbsee, :D
[15:21] <Amaranth> oops
[15:21] <Pici> I have someone from Canonical contacting me now
[15:21] <Amaranth> and here i am seeding at 60KB/s
[15:21] <Hobbsee> Pici: anyone interesting?
[15:22] <Amaranth> I should seed from Mez's server ;)
[15:22] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, haha
[15:22] <Pici> Hobbsee: Gerry Carr, Marketing Manager with Canonical aparrently
[15:22] <Mez> Amaranth, ?
[15:22]  * Amaranth hides
[15:22] <tonyyarusso> I'm at 115, but that will go up in a bit.
[15:22] <Seveas> Pici, gerry is a nice guy
[15:22] <elkbuntu> Pici, gerry is good people.
[15:22] <tonyyarusso> Pici: fun.
[15:22] <Mez> Oh.. yeah - Amaranth - normally I would, but having issues at the moment with memory usage.
[15:22] <Amaranth> Don't think I met that one
[15:23] <elkbuntu> Amaranth, i havent except online dealings
[15:23] <Hobbsee> Pici: ah yeah.  he's alright, iirc.
[15:23] <Mez> (It's OOM'ing a lot of late
[15:23] <Amaranth> Mez: weirdness
[15:23] <Mez> Pici, why have you someone from Canonical contacting you ?
[15:23] <Seveas> Mez, becaue he's special :)
[15:23] <PriceChild> elkbuntu: just grepping
[15:23] <Mez> what'd he do now
[15:24] <Amaranth> #ubuntu is not getting as large as I had hoped
[15:24] <PriceChild> HunterSThompson 
[15:24] <tonyyarusso> We had someone from the federal gov't at work yesterday, interviewing people about someone for a security clearance.
[15:24] <Amaranth> All of the US should be up and about
[15:24] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: they're probably in -r-p or so
[15:24] <tonyyarusso> Amaranth: It's still pretty early here though, and prime computer time is evening.
[15:24] <Hobbsee> or have been snae, and skipped it
[15:24] <Pici> Mez: Because someone complained that we were not representing Canonical in good light for removing people who pre-emptively posted links
[15:24] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, that guy was a general moron
[15:24] <Amaranth> tonyyarusso: I suspect we'll peak in 3-5 hours
[15:24] <Seveas> PriceChild, that one was constantly on the edge of misbehaving. Crossed the line, came here to whine and did not apologize. I told him this channel was not for idling but he wouldn't leave
[15:25] <Fujitsu> (and it was at the start of the topic...)
[15:25] <elkbuntu> Pici, you explained the strain that put on getting the release out, right?
[15:25] <Amaranth> We represent Canonical?
[15:25] <Amaranth> I didn't sign up for that
[15:25] <Pici> elkbuntu: The conversation didn't even get that far
[15:26] <Seveas> PriceChild, I thought you were talking about another one, who did get unbanned (nick ending in Uni), but you defending that troll just made me loose the last bit of trust
[15:26] <Seveas> bah.
[15:26] <Seveas> bah
[15:26] <tonyyarusso> I wouldn't mind "representing" them if they want to pay me :)
[15:26] <Amaranth> tonyyarusso: I was just about to say that :P
[15:26] <Mez> Pici, so why are they "contacting" you ?
[15:26] <Amaranth> If I'm not getting paid by them I don't represent them.
[15:26] <Mez> shouldnt it be the Council that get contacteD@?
[15:26] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, he was not even banned from here by my logs
[15:27] <Pici> Mez: Because the person complaining is a customer of Canonical and said that he was going to complain to canonical support services about it
[15:27] <Seveas> Mez, yeah I'd think so.... and we represent the ubuntu community, not canonical
[15:27] <Amaranth> Basically someone was complaining about me and stdin
[15:27] <Hobbsee> Pici: remind them that canonical should contact us if they want to react in a certain way.
[15:27]  * PriceChild rereads the logs
 well...thank's for hearing my arguments
 I can always wait another 6 months for the next releasy party
 O.o
[15:27] <elkbuntu> * HunterSThompson (n=zeke@66-168-136-197.dhcp.nplt.ne.charter.com) has left #ubuntu-ops ("Konversation terminated!")
[15:27] <elkbuntu> that's the poorest banning i've ever seen an op do. shame.
[15:27] <Seveas> elkbuntu, I thought he was removed once before that?
[15:27] <Mez> Pici, *sighs* - I meant why you in specific ...
[15:27] <Seveas> anyway, there was a lot of crap going on yesterday
[15:27] <Amaranth> There will be a lot today too, I'm sure
[15:28] <Amaranth> But 24 hours before release is the worst
[15:28] <Mez> Seveas, true.
[15:28] <elkbuntu> Seveas, not by my logs
[15:28] <Pici> Hobbsee: Good idea
[15:28] <elkbuntu> Seveas, he changed nick about 5 lines after he joined here
[15:28] <elkbuntu> Seveas, then continued to rattle on how nazi comments are jokes
[15:28] <Seveas> yeah
[15:29] <Seveas> bad troll.
[15:29] <Pici> Mez: Because I told the guy to drop it when he was complaining in #ubuntu... i.e: I have no idea why me
[15:29]  * Mez hugs Pici 
[15:29] <Seveas> I don't believe freenode staff actually defends that
[15:29] <elkbuntu> then did some totally fake apology, then worded an apology as though it were genuine, then gave up and went
[15:29] <Seveas> but they do :(
[15:30] <Hobbsee> http://popey.com/~alan/ircstats/freenode/ubuntu-release-party/
[15:30] <Hobbsee> whee!
[15:30] <Amaranth> Did I take #1?
[15:30] <elkbuntu> Pici, invite him to suggest to canonical that they pay for some of the irc infrastructure in terms of a server of our own or paid irc staff
[15:30] <Amaranth> Oh, he redid it
[15:31] <Amaranth> Dropped gutsy stuff
[15:31] <Pici> elkbuntu: :P I gave him the name of this channel and the irc council email address for further cotnact
[15:31] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, zyx386 said: ubotu, i said what is new in hardy, i already download it  ;)
[15:32] <elkbuntu> then maybe we can be held accountable when a customer wants to try buy their way out of our rules
[15:32] <zyx386> hi
[15:32] <Seveas> hi zyx386 
[15:32] <Pici> zyx386: Hi, how can we help you?
[15:32] <zyx386> what is new in hardy ?
[15:32] <Seveas> zyx386, this is not a support channel
[15:32] <Seveas> read the release notes :)
[15:32] <Amaranth> *headdesk*
[15:32] <elkbuntu> zyx386, read the release notes. this channel is not for support or chat
[15:32] <PriceChild> Seems like he wasn't removed or banned, but regardless, I think he should have been unbanned from -r-p or treated better.
[15:32] <zyx386> but the #ubuntu ridirect me to her :(
[15:33] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, he probably was in the duration he was here. -r-p bans tend to go pretty quick
[15:33] <Seveas> PriceChild, I can't believe you keep defending "nazi jokes"...
[15:33] <Seveas> disgusting
[15:33]  * tonyyarusso notes that there aren't any left currently
[15:33] <Amaranth> After we ran out of bans none of mine lasted more than 5 minutes
[15:33]  * tonyyarusso goes to work, is continuously amazed by this silliness
[15:34] <Pici> zyx386: You are in #ubuntu, there is no need to be here as well.
[15:34] <Amaranth> And I think me and stdin were doing most/all of the banning
[15:34] <Seveas> Amaranth, yeah, I was sleeping :)
[15:34] <Amaranth> The bot told him his factoid addition was sent here
[15:34] <elkbuntu> i was working
[15:34] <Amaranth> So he came here
[15:35] <elkbuntu> Amaranth, doesnt mean he needs to stay here
[15:35] <Amaranth> So if someone has problems with the way we were handling the channel they can come talk to me
[15:35] <Hobbsee> JonathanD: RichiH can we help you?
[15:36] <RichiH> Hobbsee: not yet, thanks :)
[15:36] <RichiH> we joined because of a mixture of 'ubuntu released, there are usually floods, then' and 'some #ubuntu people get over-excited and spam ##windows'
[15:37] <RichiH> though it seems the latter is mainly coming from #ubuntu-ru
[15:37] <PriceChild> Ok yeah, he made a nazi joke, not the best idea. Afaict he tried to come here to apologise for it etc. Again my problem is what happenned here, how peoplew were treated, less the treatment in -r-p.
[15:38] <Seveas> PriceChild, he did *not* apologize, he defended it.
[15:38] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, he didnt come to apologise.
[15:38] <Seveas> PriceChild, I suggest you stop now before you embarass yourself even more. You already look like a fool.
[15:38] <elkbuntu> RichiH, we're getting the same defamation treatment as ##linux is?
[15:39] <RichiH> elkbuntu: i am not sure what you mean?
[15:40] <Hobbsee> Seveas: 11% monthly used already.  fun :)
[15:40] <elkbuntu> RichiH, the PM spam, where people get PM'd that ##linux is looking for ops and users
[15:40] <Pici> I think that was #linux on efnet or similar
[15:40] <RichiH> elkbuntu: ah, no. it's more along the lines of 'i am downloading ubuntu!!!11 windows sucks!!!!11'
[15:41] <Seveas> Hobbsee, only 6 days to go in this month :)
[15:41] <Pici> zogm
[15:41] <RichiH> which, for the record, it does
[15:41] <Pici> gnomefre1k: Hi! How are you feeling?
[15:41] <RichiH> but which is still not appropriate :p
[15:41] <elkbuntu> RichiH, give us nicks and we'll remove them from our channels. we dont support spammers.
[15:41] <Hobbsee> (idlers, channel, topic)
[15:41] <ubotu> FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)
[15:41] <RichiH> elkbuntu: JonathanD has a list or can make one
[15:41] <gnomefre1k> Pici: doing much better thank you.
[15:42] <Amaranth> FloodBot has never been tested on a release day, has it?
[15:42] <Pici> No
[15:42] <Pici> gnomefre1k: Glad to hear that
[15:42] <elkbuntu> RichiH, we wouldnt be doing it wrong by removing these people from our channels?
[15:42] <ubotu> Ertyle called the ops in #ubuntu (khalderon)
[15:43] <JonathanD> I'll list them here
[15:43] <RichiH> elkbuntu: most recent are Dim252, opkdx, [ArtuR], opkdx
[15:44] <elkbuntu> RichiH, this doesnt answer what i asked before. we wont be frowned on for doing this?
[15:44] <RichiH> elkbuntu: personally, i think a warning would achieve the same effect, but it's your channel -- you guys need to decide on that
[15:44] <elkbuntu> we've been frowned on alot lately
[15:44] <elkbuntu> it's getting quite tedious
[15:44]  * JonathanD smiles on elkbuntu 
[15:45] <Seveas> RichiH, can freenode please come with a definite statement about these things. Your statement is completely different from waht other staffers have been saying
[15:45] <elkbuntu> yeah
[15:45] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, Ertyle said: !no alternate is <reply> The Alternate CD is a classical text-mode install CD. It supports a wider range of hardware than the !LiveCD, and can also be used as an upgrade CD.  Look for the alternate checkbox on the Ubuntu download page - See also !minimal - Torrent at http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04/ubuntu-8.04-alternate-i386.iso.torrent
[15:46] <ikonia> can someone please mute orochi
[15:46] <ikonia> constant comaplaining about getting banned for link posting, now bad mouthing
[15:46] <ikonia> gratzi
[15:46] <PriceChild> I interpreted his original "I will refrain from using that word again...but I really didn't think it would get me banned" as an apology, a promise to change his future behaviour. To me he didn't make an explicit apology because of what was said later.
[15:46] <Seveas> heads up, orochi banned
[15:46] <Pici> great
[15:46] <Seveas> Pici, expect another call from Gerry ;)

[15:47] <elkbuntu> !no alternate is <reply> The Alternate CD is a classical text-mode install CD. It supports a wider range of hardware than the !LiveCD, and can also be used as an upgrade CD.  Look for the alternate checkbox on the Ubuntu download page - See also !minimal - Torrent at http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04/ubuntu-8.04-alternate-i386.iso.torrent
[15:47] <ubotu> I'll remember that elkbuntu
[15:47] <RichiH> Seveas: well, different people have different opinions, but if you tell me exactly what you want a statement on then yes, i can try and get one
[15:47] <Amaranth> too much lag...
[15:47] <Seveas> RichiH, we've been hearing a lot "freenode is unhappy about how you run the #ubuntu namespace" altely
[15:48] <Seveas> if that's true, please send a statement from freenode to that effect to the irc council address
[15:48] <elkbuntu> RichiH, well, i've tried to warn but i have no idea what they're saying back to me
[15:48] <Seveas> if that's not true, tell your staffers not to say that
[15:49] <Seveas> heads up on orochi:
 It matters little whether or not you abuse your op power, it's just more for me to add to my official complaint to the company. :> I'm sure it makes you and the rest of the abusive ops feel better, though.
 the ubuntu irc people do not represent canonical. they represent the ubuntu community. And being a customer of canonical doesn't buy you the right to misbehave in the community
[15:49] <elkbuntu> Pici, is this the person gerry was talking about?
[15:49] <Pici> elkbuntu: Yes
[15:50] <RichiH> Seveas: i have not been directly involved, but i know there was an argument about someone you thought we should handle and we did not even know they existed. from my not directly involved POV, it looks to be at least partially based on a misunderstanding
[15:50] <RichiH> elkbuntu: ah yes, been there, done that :/
[15:50] <Hobbsee> RichiH: so, you now know about her, and have done so for a good couple of weeks now, iirc.  When will something actually get done about her?
[15:50] <Seveas> RichiH, this saga has dragged on for months. If you can get a statement from freenode sent to the irc council about it, that would help a lot
[15:51] <elkbuntu> RichiH, well, you did know they existed by their complaint against us for protecting ourselves from their misbehaviour. however, all the complaints we'd been giving to staff had been goign nowhere
[15:51] <Pici> Gerry said that he felt there wasn't any issue, so its back in our court I suppose.
[15:51] <Hobbsee> Pici: oh good.
[15:51] <Amaranth> I really didn't want to drag Canonical into the no-bullshit zone and yell today :P
[15:51] <elkbuntu> oh eww, the russians are profiling me
[15:52] <elkbuntu> they just pasted all my channels into theirs
[15:52] <Pici> da?
[15:52]  * Amaranth sets +i
[15:52] <RichiH> Seveas: will try & do, yah
[15:52] <Seveas> more orochi:
 I have the logs of everything that I said, it's quite clear that I wasn't misbehaving. I had, and have, a legitimate complaint about the people who run the channel, who are indeed volunteers on Canonical's behalf, and I will be registering that complaint with every contact in the company I can reach, including my employer.
 I've already sent said logs with the complaint
 So go ahead, feel free to make up whatever story you like. :>
 again, we are not volunteers on canonicals behalf. And you were misbehaving. And did so again after the ban was lifted so you received a second ban, which will not be lifted that quickly.
[15:52] <elkbuntu> and now they're in -women
[15:52] <Seveas> RichiH, thanks!
[15:52] <RichiH> Seveas: no problem
 Like I said, your ban is only more ammunition for my complaint to the company so by all means, if it nurtures your power-hungry personality then add more time to it for all I care. I intend to make sure that Canonical knows how you people are really representing Ubuntu
[15:53] <Pici> Is -ru an official loco?
[15:53] <Amaranth> I doubt it
[15:53] <Seveas> I'm no longer answering him, not going into circular arguments :)
[15:54] <RichiH> in my past experience, the ubuntu irc crowd was a nice bunch so i assume that whatever the misunderstanings/disagreements are atm, it should be resolvable
[15:54] <Hobbsee> Seveas: i'm sure that the CC will examine events - there are already complaints.
[15:54] <RichiH> Pici: by definition, #ubuntu-* belongs to the ubuntu project
[15:54] <Amaranth> I think next release we should not ban people who post links
[15:54] <Hobbsee> Seveas: and i'm sure that they may want to change some things - but they'll also tell a whole bunch of people that they're on crack, and should go away.
[15:54] <Amaranth> See if it delays the release
[15:54] <Seveas> Hobbsee, there always are complaints about irc, forums and everything during release day :)
[15:55] <PriceChild> RichiH: I think he meant 'approved LoCo team'
[15:55] <RichiH> if the GC were to request it, we would hand the channel over on a silver tablet
[15:55] <Pici> RichiH: Right, but I was wondering about loco team implications if their users are being naughty
[15:55] <stdin> can someone take a look at ubotu in #k-kde4, <ubotu> !torrents-#kubuntu is <reply> Kubuntu Hardy Heron (8.04) KDE4 torrents can be obtained at http://se.cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/releases/8.04/release/
[15:55] <Hobbsee> Seveas: this is previously, though
[15:55] <PriceChild> maybe not
[15:55] <RichiH> what is loco? :)
[15:55] <stdin> (it shouldn't be doing !... is <reply> anything)
[15:55] <PriceChild> RichiH: Local Community
[15:55] <RichiH> ah, k
[15:55] <Seveas> Hobbsee, ah, the ongoing saga
[15:55] <Amaranth> We're loco for ubuntu, apparently :)
[15:55] <PriceChild> !torrents-#kubuntu
[15:55] <ubotu> Kubuntu Hardy Heron (8.04) torrents can be obtained at http://se.cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/8.04/release/ (KDE 3.5.9) or http://se.cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/releases/8.04/release/ (KDE 4.0.3)
 I've already made the appropriate contacts. If you really want a suggestion on how to better operate the channel (which I doubt you do), consider that the people who are coming to the channel are actually CUSTOMERS of Canonical in many cases, not just nameless IRC visitors that are there for the purpose of being bullied by their volunteers
[15:55] <Hobbsee> Seveas: yes.
[15:56] <Amaranth> I believe jdub thought that up
[15:56] <Seveas> he's getting creative!
[15:56] <Pici> RichiH: Ubuntu User groups based in countries/states/major cities etc
[15:56] <stdin> PriceChild: works right in /msg too, just not in the channel
[15:56] <Hobbsee> Seveas: i'm sure mneptok will have something to say about him.  he's probably a customer of mneptok's.
[15:56] <JonathanD> elkbuntu: appreciate the warning ;)
[15:56] <Amaranth> Seveas: perhaps you should bring him here?
[15:56] <Amaranth> Seveas: We can try to set him straight
[15:56] <Pici> Amaranth: I'm not sure that would be wise
[15:56] <Seveas> Amaranth, enough going on in here already, no need for another troll
[15:56] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: would be a good time sink - not that this isn't, though.
[15:57] <Seveas> Amaranth, feel free to invite him though
[15:57] <Amaranth> Ok, I'll try to talk to him in PM then
[15:57] <elkbuntu> JonathanD, im not entirely sure what it achieved except russians asking for sex in -women :(
[15:57] <Amaranth> He is really mad at me anyway
[15:57] <Seveas> Amaranth, heh
[15:57] <JonathanD> elkbuntu: at least you tried.
[15:57] <RichiH> elkbuntu: you know that +i works differently on freenode, btw?
[15:57] <Pici> Amaranth: I aparrently threatened him by asking him to drop the complaints though.
[15:57] <Seveas> gone from -r-p as well now, went on to troll in there
[15:58] <elkbuntu> RichiH, you knwo that ubuntu ops take a pledge to remain accessible, btw? :(
[15:58] <Amaranth> He won't answer me
[15:58] <Seveas> elkbuntu, I actually gave up on that after too many of such incidents :(
[15:58] <RichiH> elkbuntu: i can not see how that involves allowing everyone to see what channels you are in
[15:58] <Hobbsee> his loss, then.
[15:58] <Amaranth> I always set +i
[15:58] <Hobbsee> he can filter it thru canonical, but i doubt those guys will come to irc.
[15:58] <Amaranth> But I do have my phone number on my website
[15:59] <elkbuntu> we dont support secret channels, so why should i hide my involvement?
[15:59] <RichiH> elkbuntu: the important thing is +6
[15:59] <Seveas> Amaranth, same here, had one phone stalker so far as a result of a ban :)
[15:59] <Pici> !modes
[15:59] <ubotu> There are many different channel and user modes on !freenode. Here's a list: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
[15:59] <ikonia> Seveas: sorry about the phoen calls ;)
[15:59] <elkbuntu> RichiH,  i only ever heard about +6 this week and i've been too busy to investigate
[15:59] <Amaranth> Seveas: Oh, all I've ever gotta was a call from Forbes magazine
[15:59] <RichiH> elkbuntu: just /msg nickserv set unfiltered on
[15:59] <RichiH> no need to think about it
[15:59] <Seveas> ikonia, hehe
[15:59] <PriceChild> elkbuntu: +6 is unfiltered, given when setting unfiltered with nickserv
[16:00]  * Mez sets +i so as not to flood people when they whois him
[16:00] <Amaranth> elkbuntu: We don't support secret channels?
[16:00]  * Amaranth exits a channel
[16:00] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, that means absolutely nothing to me, i'm afraid
[16:00] <elkbuntu> Amaranth, not if they're in our namespace. it leads to too much pain
[16:00] <stdin> elkbuntu: allows /msg from unidentified users
[16:00] <Pici> elkbuntu: Lets people who are unregged message you
[16:00] <Amaranth> elkbuntu: So all people can IM you, not just registered people
[16:00] <Mez> elkbuntu, being accessible doesnt mean that they have to see what channels you're in
[16:00] <PriceChild> elkbuntu: what they said
[16:03] <RichiH> elkbuntu: so, long story short, the most important part of being accessible on freenode is to be +6 :)
[16:03] <elkbuntu> ok, i never knew about that... ad i just tried to set it... but i dont think i did it right
[16:04] <elkbuntu> * 6 :is unknown mode char to me
[16:04] <RichiH> elkbuntu: you need to do the nickserv ting
[16:04] <stdin> it's a nickserv settings
[16:04] <Pici> elkbuntu: /msg nickserv set unfiltered on   iirc
[16:04] <RichiH> that will set it for you
[16:04] <RichiH> Pici: yes
[16:04] <elkbuntu> oh, i figured it was a /mode thing
[16:05] <elkbuntu> done now
[16:06] <elkbuntu> i was wondering why people were rabbiting on about unfiltered and +6, but i've been at work whenever it's been mentioned so havent had time to follow up
[16:07] <RichiH> if you guys have an op guide, it is prolly worth to mention that part
[16:08] <Seveas> I think we do mention it, but elkbuntu's been op since before that was written :)
[16:09] <Pici> Its in there
[16:10] <elkbuntu> Seveas, i helped write the irc guidelines back before i was op, +6 didnt exist in the time of breezy
[16:10] <Seveas> elkbuntu, that could also be true
[16:11] <Seveas> I really don't remember when freenode implemeted the block-by-default-and-have-unfiltered 
[16:11] <RichiH> elkbuntu: i am not 100% sure, but i think +6 existed before ubuntu was forked off debian
[16:11] <RichiH> not that it matters all that much, mind
[16:11] <Seveas> RichiH, that's definitely not true ;)
[16:12] <Seveas> I wasn't on freenode before then and I remember that it was changed 
[16:12] <elkbuntu> RichiH, well i've been on freenode for as long as my /ns info says, and this past week is the very first time i've ever heard it mentioned.
[16:13] <Pici> Well, it definitely existed prior to last week
[16:13] <Seveas> heheh
[16:14] <Seveas> hmm, more orochi
 I've already made the appropriate contacts. If you really want a suggestion on how to better operate the channel (which I doubt you do), consider that the people who are coming to the channel are actually CUSTOMERS of Canonical in many cases, not just nameless IRC visitors that are there for the purpose of being bullied by their volunteers
 Must hurt your feelings quite a bit for people to hear the truth about you, doesn't it? ;>
 You being the most power-hungry of the #ubuntu operators. I'm sure Canonical's probably already had complaints about you.
 Go ahead and pretend that you can't hear me. :> I'm sure you're feeling smug now, we'll see what the Community Council and Canonical have to say.
[16:14] <Pici> Seveas: pm?
[16:14] <Seveas> Pici, yeah
[16:15] <RichiH> ubuntu predates unfiltered by exactly one year
[16:15] <Seveas> RichiH, that would be consistent with everything said so far :)
[16:15] <elkbuntu> RichiH, the russians are now sending latvians onto -women :-/
[16:16] <elkbuntu> or lithuanians... whichever .lt is
[16:16] <Pici> Theres a joke there... but I'm going to leave it.
[16:16] <Seveas> latvia is .lv iirc
 By the way, do you know the name Gerry Carr? Because that's who I'm currently speaking to.
[16:19] <Seveas> yes I know the name :)
 I am in contact with Gerry Carr at this point, the attempts by all the volunteers to try and silence me aren't going to work any longer. :>
[16:20] <Amaranth> Tried the same tactic with me
[16:20]  * jrib too
[16:20] <Seveas> scare tactics and threats
[16:20] <Seveas> yes, that will make us remove bans!
[16:20] <Amaranth> I tried to explain to him that Canonical has no control over the community, by design.
[16:20] <Hobbsee> tell him that one of our ops has already spoken to gerry carr, and is dealing with the issue.
[16:20] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: I did that too
[16:20] <Hobbsee> ah, good
[16:20] <Amaranth> He doesn't believe me
[16:21] <Seveas> I still don't reply, it's not trollfeeding time yet
[16:21] <elkbuntu> someone might want to mention to the community manager that the volunteers are being systematically harrassed by a customer of canonical
[16:21] <Seveas> elkbuntu, heh, nice twist
[16:21] <Amaranth> elkbuntu: Good idea.
[16:21] <Hobbsee> ooh
[16:21]  * Amaranth looks for jono
[16:21] <elkbuntu> ensuring to mention the reason *WHY* we dont allow links
[16:21] <Hobbsee> before release, that is.
[16:21] <RichiH> Seveas: not, it is inconsistent with what i said :)
[16:21] <Seveas> elkbuntu, aka, the contents of .pool/index.html
[16:21] <elkbuntu> yes
[16:22] <RichiH> Seveas: i checked on both dates and admitted i was wrong :)
[16:22] <Seveas> RichiH, well, you said you weren't sure ;)
[16:22] <RichiH> hmm, true
[16:22] <Amaranth> I tried to explain to this guy why we don't allow such links, what Canonical's involvement with the community is, what they've said about the issue, etc.
[16:22] <RichiH> damnation!
[16:22] <RichiH> ;)
[16:22] <RichiH> elkbuntu: hmm, not good
[16:22] <Amaranth> He just says I am harassing him and trying to silence him.
[16:22] <Hobbsee> [01:22] <jandem> coggz: wait, ktorrent can only seed kubuntu images
[16:22] <elkbuntu> RichiH, i was the wrong gender to go in there i think ;)
[16:22] <Hobbsee> gotta love it.
[16:22] <elkbuntu> RichiH, there was only one objective on their minds in -women
[16:22] <Seveas> Hobbsee, lol!
[16:23] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, rofl
 By the way, this is from another user :>
 <emma> I simply wanted to tell you that I recognize what you are saying as legitimate, but I am not anyone special. I am just a user.
[16:23] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, quote that in kubuntu-offtopic's topic ;)
[16:23] <Hobbsee> you guys should be reading that instead.  they really come up with some interesting stuff
[16:23] <Seveas> Amaranth, muha!
[16:23] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: then the problem should go away soon.
[16:23] <Pici> ahah
[16:23] <Seveas> Amaranth, good, orochi_ will go to -uncensored :)
[16:24] <Amaranth> I love how all our problems end up merging
[16:24] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: he'll be catalysed to there, and then he'll probalby start creating major trouble, so he'll have reason to be nuked everywhere.
[16:24] <Hobbsee> Seveas: shhh
[16:24] <Hobbsee> Seveas: you don't say the channel name.  duh.
[16:24] <Pici> The first rule of....
[16:24] <Seveas> Hobbsee, sorry! 
[16:24] <Seveas> One does not simply walk into mordor
[16:24] <elkbuntu> yes, they deserve not the exposure
[16:25] <elkbuntu> Seveas, i tried that line on the boss today
[16:25] <elkbuntu> (since he wants a 'perfect' odt>html converter and none exist that are not proprietary)
[16:25] <Seveas> I know, that still lingered in my memory :)
[16:26] <elkbuntu> and i genuinely got the o.O expression
[16:26] <elkbuntu> i nearly burst laughing in the meeting
[16:26] <Hobbsee> incomming fujisan, i expect.
[16:26] <Seveas> k
[16:26] <Pici> who?
[16:26] <Pici> oh, -r-p is still open
[16:27] <Hobbsee> oh yes
[16:27] <Seveas> yeah, let's keep that open
[16:27] <Seveas> until the us goes to bed
[16:27] <Hobbsee> sigh.  now he's sending me crap
[16:28] <Seveas> Hobbsee, what did you expect, love letters? :)
[16:28] <Hobbsee> we've certainly got hte professional trolls today
[16:28] <Hobbsee> Seveas: no, but not what i got (both in length and general obnoxiousness)
[16:28] <Seveas> Hobbsee, pastebin?
[16:29] <Hobbsee> Seveas: http://rafb.net/p/aWFmsX33.html
[16:29] <Hobbsee> ie, tha'ts very fast typing
[16:30] <Seveas> interesting
[16:30] <Pici> Odd
[16:30] <Hobbsee> yes
 I never said you couldn't complain to them, I just said it wastes their time.
 They don't seem to think it's a waste of time, why should your opinion matter?
[16:31] <Amaranth> This guy is _awesome_.
[16:32] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: why are you letting him troll?
[16:32] <elkbuntu> Seveas, i'd advise keeping -r-p open for a few days. there will be general obnoxiousness for a few days yet
[16:32] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: I have not given up hope for him
[16:32] <Seveas> elkbuntu, can't say I disagree with that
[16:32] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: letting him talk to a brick wall is often more entertaining.
[16:32] <Seveas> Amaranth, pants on fire :p
[16:32] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: i'm sure that gerry will talk some sense into him.
[16:32] <Pici> Me too
[16:32] <Amaranth> I want to see this resolved in a way that doesn't cause tension between Canonical and the IRC Team
[16:33] <Seeker`> who is gerry?
[16:33] <elkbuntu> Seeker`, marketing manager
[16:33] <Pici> Just some guy
[16:33] <elkbuntu> this is a community manager issue though
[16:33] <Amaranth> It is Garry's job to listen to him and at least pretend to act on his complaint
[16:33] <Hobbsee> "he's just this guy, you know?"
[16:33] <Seveas> Amaranth, pretty much every release a customer from canonical pulls this trick on us
[16:33] <Amaranth> Seveas: I don't remember any of that
[16:33] <Seveas> Hobbsee Halfrunt? :)
[16:33] <Hobbsee> Seveas: hmm?
[16:33] <elkbuntu> where is our unique and delicate snowflake when we need him
[16:34] <Seveas> Hobbsee, you pulled an h2g2 quote without knowing it? 
[16:34] <Fujisan> HELP
[16:34] <Pici> I think she knew it
[16:34] <Fujisan> Hobbsee banned me
[16:34] <Pici> And?
[16:34] <Fujisan> from ubuntu-release-party
[16:34] <Hobbsee> Fujisan: you've been trolling for hours.
[16:34] <elkbuntu> Fujisan, for what?
[16:34] <Seveas> Fujisan, for good reasons -- abusive commands and repeated trolling are unwelcome
[16:34] <Amaranth> Did any of you email jono?
[16:34] <Fujisan> and i got instantly pm'd by people saying that it was injustice
[16:34] <Seveas> ooooooooooooooooh, looky here
 <emma> *nods* I also have no personal dislike of any of them. I saw you mention Seveas, though, and he has been one with some extremely harsh even degrading words toward me. <- Well look at that, this isn't your first time at being a power-hungry ass. :>
[16:34] <elkbuntu> Amaranth, i dont have grounds to, i'm not yet a victim
[16:34] <Amaranth> Fujisan: Let me guess, emma PM'ed you.
 I am no one important i am just a user but I wanted to share with you that I feel that you have been mistreated. 
[16:35] <Pici> sigh
[16:35] <Amaranth> That's it.
 I've also been hurt by some of them. It sits in my mind and heart and it does not shake out. It bothers me, and I think that the heart cries out for someone else to validate the truth.
[16:35] <Seveas> of course, who else
[16:35] <Amaranth> emma is banned from -r-p
[16:35] <Fujisan> i am hurt here
[16:35] <Fujisan> :'(
[16:35] <Seveas> Amaranth, good idea
[16:35] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: thankyou.  it wasn't supposed to be removed in the first place.
[16:35] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: We flushed the entire ban list a couple times
[16:36]  * Hobbsee isn't overly interested in her spreading her crusades among innocent ubuntu people.
[16:36] <Fujisan> Hobbsee i wasnt trolling i was joking around having a good time
[16:36] <Fujisan> on this jofulday
[16:36] <Fujisan> PriceChild
[16:36] <Fujisan> help please
[16:36] <Seeker`> the two aren't mutually exclusive
[16:36] <Seveas> Fujisan, your good time made other peoples time less good. That's not good.
[16:36] <Fujisan> christel here?
[16:36] <Amaranth> My main problem is she says things to these people then they try to use her argument against us.
[16:36] <Fujisan> it was a joke
[16:36] <Pici> Fujisan: We're all ops here, theres no need to speak to a specific person
[16:36] <Seeker`> just because you are "having a good time" deosn't mean that you aren't trolling
[16:36] <Amaranth> Even though her argument failed when she tried it.
[16:36] <Fujisan> i was joking
[16:36] <Hobbsee> Fujisan: numerous people also pm'd me, asking me why you hadn't gone yet.
[16:37] <Hobbsee> Seveas: also agrees with it
[16:37] <Fujisan> if you are referring to me Sir Seeker i can assure you i aint a troll, since a troll is an anthropomorphic mythical entity.... I much rather prefer the term puppeteer which is the likes of an artist who breaths the illusion of life into inanimate objects such as this virtual chat auditorium
[16:37] <Pici> Right. Okay. What?
[16:37] <Fujisan> i was joking 
[16:37] <Seeker`> Fujisan: A word can have multiple meanings.
[16:37] <Amaranth> I'm wondering if that was deliberate or a language issue.
[16:38] <Fujisan> all i said was that compiz is useless eyecandy and that i love the ctrl+alt+backspace function thats my opinion
[16:38] <Fujisan> whats wrong with that
[16:38] <Amaranth> It seems to outrageous to be anything but deliberate.
[16:38] <Fujisan> thats no reason for bannishment
[16:38] <Pici> Fujisan: Do you know what ctrl-alt-backspace does?
[16:38] <Fujisan> its when ubuntu locks up yes
[16:38] <Fujisan> it means i dont have to boot
[16:38] <Fujisan> great feature
[16:39] <Fujisan> i was running the beta for a while it was quite useful
[16:39] <Pici> Fujisan: Great feature when people are working on important unsaved things and press it?
[16:39] <Fujisan> so what thats not trolling
[16:39] <Amaranth> ctrl-alt-del is like rm -rf / here, you don't randomly say it in a channel
[16:39] <Amaranth> because it causes data loss and people will do it without knowing what it is
[16:39] <Fujisan> i said ctrl+alt+backspace != ctr-alt-delete rm - rf
[16:39] <Fujisan> this aint fair
[16:39] <elkbuntu> Fujisan, it's like a red button. it's mere existance will cause people to push it.
[16:40] <Pici> Fujisan: ctrl-alt-backspace is exactly like ctrl-alt-delete
[16:40] <Fujisan> ok
[16:40] <Fujisan> its a good feature in beta software
[16:40] <Fujisan> thats all i meant
[16:40] <Pici> I give up
[16:40] <Fujisan> today is final
[16:40] <Fujisan> so i wont have to use it
[16:40] <Fujisan> i was happy about that
[16:40] <Amaranth> err, i meant ctrl-alt-backspace
[16:40] <Fujisan> is it so wrong
[16:40] <Fujisan> for me to say that
[16:40] <Amaranth> i've been awake far too long as this point...
[16:41] <Fujisan> common
[16:41] <Fujisan> come on*
[16:41] <Fujisan> i am sorry but you guys are overreacting really even emma spontaneously Im'd me
[16:41] <Fujisan> saying that she felt the same way
[16:41]  * Mez writes a quick script to switch between FF versions"
[16:41] <Hobbsee> we don't trust emma's judgement, sorry.  we've seen enough of her.
[16:41] <Fujisan> that was uncalled for i was not trolling
[16:41] <Seeker`> Fujisan: She will do that to anyone that has been banned
[16:42] <Pici> Fujisan: You've only shown us that you don't know how to act in the channel; whether you did it on purpose or not.
[16:42] <Fujisan> i didnt do anything horrible 
[16:42] <Fujisan> i really didnt
[16:42] <Hobbsee> Fujisan: you're only making it more and more concrete that you wont' be let in anytime soon
[16:43] <Fujisan> i want this case to be reviewed 
[16:43] <Fujisan> by your board
[16:43] <Seveas> Fujisan, it has been reviewed even before you joined 
[16:43] <Fujisan> or whatever i demand a fair trial
[16:43] <Fujisan> this is ruining my release day
[16:43] <Hobbsee> Fujisan: it has been reviewed.  the answer was no.
[16:43] <Seveas> Fujisan, you've been ruining other peoples release day as well :)
[16:43] <Fujisan> no i havent
[16:44] <Amaranth> You're ruining mine
[16:44]  * Seveas hugs Amaranth 
[16:44] <Fujisan> thats your own fault Amaranth
[16:44] <Fujisan> you can ignore me
[16:44] <Amaranth> No, I really can't
[16:45] <Hobbsee> Seeker`: says there's been strangeness in -uk, too, so this clearly isn't the first time.
[16:45] <Pici> I suppose that works too
[16:45] <Seeker`> Nothing ban-worthy, just enough to make me think about keeping an eye on him if he returns
[16:45] <Hobbsee> he managed to troll for hours, though
[16:46] <Seveas> Hobbsee, yeah, but constantly just-not-bannable-trolling. Good edgefinder, but they all fall over it once
[16:46] <Hobbsee> yeah
[16:46] <Amaranth> This is why I hate releases
[16:47] <Seveas> Amaranth, so we won't release anymore. Just grumpy groundhog from now on :)
[16:47] <Amaranth> I wish :)
[16:47] <Seveas> speaking of trolls
[16:47] <Seveas> --> Piero_Scaruffi (n=Piero@unaffiliated/pieroscaruffi/x-125964) has joined #ubuntu-release-party
[16:47] <Amaranth> grumpy groundhog until LTS :)
[16:47] <elkbuntu> Seveas, your bestest buddy!
[16:47] <Seveas> yeah
[16:48] <Pici> Seveas has a lot of best buddies
[16:48] <Seveas> they take turns today it seems
[16:48] <Seveas> Pici, that's what several years of irc does to you I'm afraid
[16:49] <Hobbsee> good day.
[16:49] <Pici> I think the mute is still on
[16:49] <Seeker`> -16:49:45- ~s~ 12 - #ubuntu-ops: ban %*!*@unaffiliated/emma by Seveas, 6302 secs ago
[16:49] <Hobbsee> Pici: it appears so.
[16:49] <Seveas> Pici, any reason to remove it?
[16:49] <Pici> Just stating
[16:50] <Hobbsee> Pici: i'd forgotten about that, thanks
[16:51] <Hobbsee> !staff | Fujisan following me in multiple channels
[16:51] <ubotu> Fujisan following me in multiple channels: Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[16:51] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: /mode +i?
[16:51] <Seveas> emma, look at the #ubuntu-ops logs since you last left to find out why we think there's no good reason for us to talk to you
[16:51] <Seveas> you know where to find them
[16:52] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: pleaes find me a staffer who can kline.
[16:52] <Hobbsee> this guy's starting to multi-channel harass me
[16:52] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: are you +i?
[16:52] <elkbuntu> emma, leave now on your own, or be locked out
[16:52] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: you aren't, go +i
[16:53] <Pici> PriceChild: Regardless of umodes, thats still unacceptable
[16:53] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: am i now?
[16:53] <Pici> Yes
[16:53] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, he came into my personal channel to harrass hobbsee
[16:53] <elkbuntu> my personal channel is not in ubuntu namespace
[16:54] <Hobbsee> and #launchpad-meeting, and elsehwere.
[16:54] <Pici> -devel
[16:54] <PriceChild> elkbuntu: go +i
[16:54] <Seveas> I have good reasons to believe he's my old phonestalker
[16:54] <elkbuntu> meanwhile, blaming the victim for being harrassed is sickening
[16:54] <PriceChild> elkbuntu: I didn't blame anyone...
[16:55] <Seveas> PriceChild, yes you did
[16:55] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, you're telling us to go +1
[16:55] <PriceChild> I said go +i, because that stops them following you.
[16:55] <elkbuntu> as though it's our fault were being stalked because were -i
[16:55] <PriceChild> I never said I wasn't forwarding it on...
[16:55] <Seveas> it's like saying it's ok if dirty men grope young girls when they wear breathy summer clothes
[16:55] <elkbuntu> yeah, but still lock them up for brownie points
[16:55] <PriceChild> I just wanted to stop it causing you further trouble as best I could while I go see what else can/should be done.
[16:55] <Pici> I think it just came across wrong...
[16:56] <Seveas> PriceChild, he's already seen the /whois, the damage has been done
[16:56] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: please do *something*.
[16:56] <vorian> Hobbsee: he is trying
[16:56] <vorian> and has been
[16:57] <Hobbsee> what's he managed so far?
[17:00] <Hobbsee> RichiH: what's freenode's policy on multi-channel harassment by a user?
[17:01] <Hobbsee> RichiH: (yes, i see you active)
[17:01] <elkbuntu> vorian, forgive us for being slightly annoyed for apparantly causing our stalking by making it possible for someone to not control their own behaviour
[17:02] <RichiH> Hobbsee: i usually react asap ;)
[17:02] <Hobbsee> RichiH: then please react.  do you want the logs, from multiple channels?
[17:02] <RichiH> Hobbsee: it is not OK and from what i hear, PriceChild is already on it
[17:03]  * Pici wonders what the actual process is 
[17:03] <PriceChild> elkbuntu: again... I didn't accuse you are causing the problem in the first place, my suggestion of +i was suggested for other reasons.
[17:03]  * Hobbsee htought she *was* +i
[17:03] <Hobbsee> RichiH: right.  then i assume he'll stop harassing me soon
[17:03] <RichiH> Pici: we query both parties and try to mediate
[17:03] <PriceChild> *you of causing
[17:04] <Hobbsee> Seveas: wasn't oddalot the one from before?
[17:04] <elkbuntu> RichiH, forgive the clunk while i headdesk
[17:04] <Seveas> oddalot?
[17:04] <RichiH> elkbuntu: actually, that does work in most cases
[17:04] <Hobbsee> Seveas: -r-p
[17:04] <elkbuntu> RichiH, it clearly is not if hobbsee is stil being stalked
[17:05] <RichiH> elkbuntu: if the problem persists and one side is clearly at fault, we do, of course, escalate it
[17:05] <Seveas> don't rememberthat nick
[17:05] <Pici> I think we're just frustrated because of the frequent nature of these issues due to #ubuntu's visibility
[17:05] <elkbuntu> Pici, damn straight. not only that, the frequent nature and length of saga
[17:05] <elkbuntu> ie, 3months
[17:06] <Seeker`> -17:05:04- :Fujisan : emma
[17:06] <Seeker`> -17:05:06- :Fujisan : you here
[17:06] <Seeker`> -17:05:20- :Fujisan : that Hobbsee is a real b*tch wow
[17:06] <Seeker`> from -uk
[17:06] <RichiH> i do not want to open that can of worms yet again, but it really was not escalated in a way that was visible to all staff
[17:06] <RichiH> that does not lay blame to anyone, mind
[17:06] <Seveas> RichiH, the can of worm unforunately still is open
[17:07] <Amaranth> I'm done with orochi_
[17:07] <Amaranth> He accuses me of arguing in circles then quotes me out of context and goes in circles himself.
[17:07] <Seveas> RichiH, yes, we have a big problem: half of our council is freenode staff. And they apparently didn't talk with the rest of the staff anout it. Makes me wonder whether having so much staff on the council is a good idea
[17:07] <Amaranth> If Canonical says anything about the issue I'll talk to Jono and that'll be that.
[17:07] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: you were silly enough to still stay talking to him? s heesh.
[17:08] <Amaranth> I stopped for quite some time
[17:08] <elkbuntu> Amaranth, you need to preempt. go to jono now
[17:08] <Amaranth> He seemed to think it was because I was worried so I spent a couple minutes reiterating my position
[17:08] <Pici> Should we pre-emptively contact Jono so that we don't get into a similar situation as these other events?
[17:08] <Amaranth> elkbuntu: Eh
[17:08] <Pici> Amaranth: Its better if we get to him before this other fellow does.
[17:08] <Amaranth> What is the worst that can happen?
[17:08] <Seveas> Pici, that's not a bad idea
[17:08] <Amaranth> Yeah, he knows about jono
[17:08] <Seveas> Amaranth, mudwrestling between Jono and Gerry?
[17:09] <Amaranth> But it's not like they can do anything
[17:09] <Amaranth> We could all just leave.
[17:09] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: oh right
[17:09] <Seveas> Amaranth, no doom scenarios please, just contact Jono
[17:10] <Pici> Amaranth: I have logs from my conversation with Gerry and orocwhatever if you want them
[17:10] <Amaranth> Pici: That should be helpful
[17:10] <Amaranth> I'll forward that and my PM log to jono
[17:11] <Seveas> Amaranth, here are some more bits: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64247/
[17:12] <Amaranth> in exchange, a cute dog: http://www.realistanew.com/random/pepsi.jpg
[17:12] <Pici> Amaranth: http://rafb.net/p/IB06Sp78.html
[17:13] <Seveas> on another note,
[17:13] <jrib> here's mine: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64248/
[17:13] <Seveas> I've been talking to kahrytan
[17:13] <Seveas> at first he seems to have improved, but he's definitely still bitter about the hawaii thing and I'm not sure at all whether he really improved
[17:14] <Pici> Hes always come across as a normal (albiet a bit odd) user until some line is crossed
[17:14] <elkbuntu> Seveas, he apparantly went nuts in -r-p earlier?
[17:14] <Seveas> missed that
[17:14] <Seveas> Pici, yeah, that's why I'm not at all sure about improvements
[17:14] <elkbuntu> right after release or something
[17:14] <Seveas> not really counting on it
[17:15] <Amaranth> wow i talked to orochi_ enough for the first line of our conversation to not be in my scrollback
[17:16] <Hobbsee> Seveas: he's been reasonable to me in -r-p and query today
[17:16] <Hobbsee> so, go figur
[17:16] <Hobbsee> e
[17:16] <Seveas> Amaranth, O.o
[17:17] <Seveas> Amaranth, did you give orochi the link to that pastebin?
[17:19] <Pici> He just contacted me about 'my logs' as well
[17:19] <jrib> Seveas: orichi_ gave me my link as well, claiming it has omissions....
[17:20] <Seveas> same here
[17:20] <Seveas> well, i don't think it was Amaranth 
[17:20] <Hobbsee> she'll still read the logs, Seveas 
[17:20] <Seveas> I know
[17:20] <Amaranth> no
[17:20] <Amaranth> of course it was emma...
[17:21] <Pici> Amaranth: Did you give them to anyone?
[17:21] <Hobbsee> then again, this is *really* not helping her chances for her ever reentering ubuntuland, though
[17:21] <jrib> well he could just read the logs
[17:21] <Amaranth> no
[17:21] <Seveas> jrib, there's a delay in that
[17:21] <Pici> jrib: Yes, but those are delated
[17:21] <Amaranth> i was helping move a washer and dryer
[17:21] <christel> Fujitsu: i am now for a brief moment
[17:21] <Pici> er, delayed, by at least an hour
[17:21] <Pici> iirc
[17:21] <Seeker`> !logs
[17:21] <ubotu> Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/
[17:21] <Seveas> [16:56] <vorian> and has been
[17:21] <Seveas> [16:57] <Hobbsee> what's he managed so far?
[17:21] <Seveas> [17:00] <Hobbsee> RichiH: what's freenode's policy on multi-channel harassment by a user?
[17:21] <Seveas> [17:01] <Hobbsee> RichiH: (yes, i see you active)
[17:21] <Pici> christel: The fellow looking for you is gone.
[17:22] <Seveas> currently last on the logs
[17:22] <jrib> you're right
[17:22] <Seeker`> Pici: Looks more like 20 mins
[17:22] <Pici> Seeker`: Well, still.
[17:22] <christel> Pici: ah ok! thanks (you make an excellent secretary) :
[17:22] <christel> :)
[17:22] <Hobbsee> heya christel 
[17:23] <Seeker`> it isn't long enough ago for the pastebin links to appear, so it must have been someone in the channel
[17:23] <Seveas> Seeker`, and the only one who will do that has now been kicked.
[17:23] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[17:23] <Amaranth> bantracker is dead
[17:23] <Seveas> Seeker`, bantracker unfortunately had to be taken down
[17:23] <Seeker`> :'(
[17:24] <Seveas> sqlite finally crapped itself
[17:24] <Seeker`> any particular reason?
[17:24] <Seeker`> ah
[17:24] <Seeker`> thats bad
[17:24] <Pici> yes
[17:24] <Pici> Is the db gone?
[17:24]  * Hobbsee looks at the idlers
[17:24] <elkbuntu> the logs still exist
[17:24] <Seeker`> oh well, nvm. Just wanted to check up to see whether someone had been banned anywhere before
[17:25] <elkbuntu> oh right, delay
[17:30] <Seveas> HAH
[17:30] <Seveas> my giess was right
[17:30] <Seveas> guess*
 Banning someone for even speaking with me too, that's an interesting touch. :> You must have picked your moves up from Hitler himself.
[17:30] <Seeker`> Godwins law!
[17:30] <elkbuntu> B00YAH!
[17:30] <Amaranth> yay discussion over
[17:30] <Amaranth> we win
[17:31] <mc44> Hitler was such a rubbish irc op
[17:31] <Amaranth> :P
[17:31] <Seveas> Amaranth, there are no winners here, it's just sad
[17:33] <Amaranth> Seveas: The end of the discussion is a win for me
[17:33] <elkbuntu> Amaranth, did he even accept godwins?
[17:34] <Amaranth> *shrug*
[17:34] <Amaranth> I found jcastro instead of jono, I'll just talk to him instead of emailing jono
[17:35] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: that will usually work better, anyway.
[17:35] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: he'll probably email jono about it
[17:35] <Amaranth> and i know jcastro better
[17:37] <Seveas> nalioth, PriceChild: if you still believe you can make something good out of the emma situation and want to unban her: forget it.
[17:38] <elkbuntu> Amaranth, yeah, i dont see jorge being happy with how we're treated
[17:40] <Amaranth> i sent him all the logs i had, he said he'll deal with it
[17:41] <christel> Hobbsee: hiya you :)
[17:41] <Amaranth> my log is somewhat embarrassing to look at now, I should not try to talk to such people while dead tired
[17:42] <Amaranth> Don't think I said anything wrong, just got a little heated toward the end
[17:42] <Hobbsee> christel!
[17:42] <Hobbsee> christel: where can i find a large baseball bat for irc?
 Ahh, poor Seveas. Too insecure to admit that he's the biggest troll in #ubuntu.
[17:42] <christel> Hobbsee: hmm, would a cricket bat do? :)
[17:42] <Amaranth> Seveas: tell jcastro :P
[17:42] <Hobbsee> christel: yeah, maybe.  i'll try it, anyway
[17:42] <christel> hehe
[17:42] <christel> Hobbsee: whats up? 
[17:43] <Hobbsee> christel: oh, just the usual.  users harassing me in multiple channels because they got banned, and didn't like it.  freenode are apparently dealing with it.
[17:43] <Amaranth> This has been a very sad day all around
[17:44] <christel> Hobbsee: ack, yes, the joys of irc 
[17:44] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: the customers were nice, though.
[17:44] <Hobbsee> christel: it helps that i have ops to most of the channels that i'm in, so can just go and hand out more bans.
[17:44] <Amaranth> eh?
[17:44] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: the ones at work
[17:45] <Amaranth> oh
[17:46] <Hobbsee> christel: where "dealing with it" doesn't include a kline.
[17:46] <Hobbsee> that being said, he appears to have stopped - at least for now.
[17:46] <PriceChild> :)
[17:47] <christel> did you pass on logs of the actual harassment to staff? 
[17:47] <christel> PriceChild: you're very honorable, apparently
[17:47] <christel> and gung-fu helpful
[17:47] <christel> (did you just pay several users to come say 'hey, this new staffer is nice'? )
[17:48] <Hobbsee> christel: i passed some to PriceChild.  I asked if he wanted the rest, but i appeared to get no answer, iirc.  The channels are logged publically, which he would have probably preferred to look up.  Assuming he actually cared, of cours.e
[17:48] <PriceChild> christel: I share quite a few channels with Hobbsee, so see the guy doing his thing there. And no idea what you're getting at with that last bit?
[17:48] <Seeker`> christel: PriceChild is nice
[17:48] <Seeker`> PriceChild: I assume the cheque is in the post
[17:48] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: Sorry, I didn't notice that bit.
[17:49] <christel> PriceChild: the last bit was unrelated, i just had two users pm me to praise you within like the space of 5mins :)
[17:49] <PriceChild> funky
[17:51] <christel> Hobbsee: ok, thanks for heads up! i'll leave it to PriceChild to look at :)
[17:54] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: how do i actually stay +i?
[17:55] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: configure your client to set it on connect
[17:55] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: how?
[17:55] <Amaranth> *shrug*
[17:55] <Hobbsee> why cna't freenode store it with the nicks, like the other modes?
[17:55] <nalioth> Hobbsee: irssi has 'autosendcmd' which takes commands
[17:55] <nalioth> i'm sure xchat has similar features
[17:55] <Hobbsee> nalioth: with the syntax being?
[17:56] <spb> why use autosendcmd for umode
[17:56] <spb> /set usermode
[17:56] <Hobbsee> [02:56] [481]  This command is for network staff only
[17:56] <Hobbsee> spb: bip
[17:56] <spb> oh, you're using an icky client
[17:56] <spb> no idea how that thing's config works
[17:57] <ubotu> In #ubuntuforums, old_marcus said: ubotu: What is rain?
[17:57] <elkbuntu> speaking of bip, i wonder if it'll ever work for me this centry
[17:57] <elkbuntu> century*
[17:58] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: i can help you with it on sat, if you like
[17:58] <ubotu> Pelo called the ops in #ubuntu (bjoern25)
[17:59] <Pici> ugh
[17:59] <elkbuntu> it's still not idetifying :(
[18:02] <Mez> elkbuntu, use ctrl_proxy - I found that bip just cause too many issues
[18:02]  * Seveas doesn't use a proxy at all
[18:02] <Seveas> maybe I'll write one
[18:03] <Seveas> ubot could be a proxy :)
[18:03] <Mez> Seveas, work with jelmer ;)
[18:03] <elkbuntu> Mez, does it cope with multiple-client connections with logging
[18:03] <Seveas> the samba guy?
[18:03] <Mez> elkbuntu, "with logging" ?
[18:03] <elkbuntu> yes, so there's logs on the server it runs on
[18:03] <Mez> elkbuntu, cant remember about the logging...
[18:04] <Amaranth> irssi works as a proxy
[18:04] <Mez> but it deals with multiple clients fine
[18:05] <elkbuntu> Amaranth, irssi is also non-intutitive enough for my liking
[18:06] <elkbuntu> s/non-/not /
[18:06] <Amaranth> you don't have to use it
[18:06] <Amaranth> just set it up as a proxy
[18:06]  * Hobbsee missed a large chunk
[18:06] <Hobbsee> net died
[18:07] <Mez> elkbuntu, http://www.ctrlproxy.org/doc/user-guide.html#logging
[18:07] <Mez> apparently it does
[18:07]  * Mez has been using it for so long with the option turned off he never noticed
[18:07] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: about what time was 8.04 announced?
[18:08] <Mez> tonyyarusso, about Thu, 24 Apr 2008 05:17:20 -0700 (13:17 BST)
[18:08] <Hobbsee> the mode still isn't getting set.
[18:08] <elkbuntu> what's the socks module...?
[18:08] <tonyyarusso> ty
[18:08] <Pici> socks? winsock?
[18:08] <Mez> elkbuntu, you can setup your client to work with socks, and it just autoconnects
[18:09] <Mez> so I can make ctrlproxy work with any network by just opening a new tab and typing /server servername
[18:09] <elkbuntu> Mez, according to that page, s/can/must/
[18:09] <Mez> elkbuntu, you can setup listeners that connect to certain servers
[18:09] <Mez> then you have to connect to a certain port with a certain username and password and it connects you to the server
[18:09]  * Mez prefers the socks method
[18:10] <Mez> -ctrlproxy- Syntax: STARTLISTENER [<address>:]<port> <password> [<network>]
[18:11] <Seeker`> `legend: how can we help you
[18:11] <elkbuntu> *sigh* i suppose this is another week of setting up all my servers and channels between work and distraction :(
[18:12] <`legend> download my new war mirc script with nukes --> http://rs97.rapidshare.com/files/91484126/mirc.zip     :)
[18:12] <Pici> ...
[18:13]  * ikonia downloads
[18:13] <ikonia> should I run it as root ?
[18:13] <Pici> `legend: How did you find this channel?
[18:15] <Hobbsee> ggrumble
[18:19] <elkbuntu> Mez, this software you speak of exists not in repos?
[18:22] <ubotu> FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)
[18:22] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)
[18:22] <Hobbsee> it doesn't.  freaking.  work.
[18:23] <Hobbsee> ahhh, there we go.
[18:24] <Hobbsee> still does'nt like it in the bip, but that'll set it for konversation
[18:24] <Hobbsee> with a bit of luck, that will stay set, while bip is alive.
[18:27] <Hobbsee> it's pretty amazing that there are 10000 people on the i386 desktop tracker....
[18:28] <PriceChild> a10 thousand?
[18:28] <PriceChild> gah
[18:28] <Hobbsee> yes.
[18:28] <Hobbsee> according to rtorrent, anyway
[18:28] <Hobbsee> just under half are seeding
[18:29] <PriceChild> my rtorrent says 1600 total
[18:29] <Myrtti> blech.
[18:29] <PriceChild> i'm off for a little
[18:30] <Pici> me too
[18:30] <JanC> there is more than one tracker  ;)
[18:30] <Hobbsee> JanC: i meant hte official one
[18:30] <JanC> I guess 10000 wil take up a lot of RAM too?
[18:31] <Hobbsee> probably
[18:34] <Myrtti> what are the statistics now? did we reach the new high?
[18:35] <Seveas> still growing
[18:35] <Seveas> nearing 1700
[18:35] <Hobbsee> woot!
[18:35] <Pici> Hrm. irssi keeps giving me a 'fooey, not opped' message and I dont know where its coming from
[18:36] <ompaul> ohh look no +1 ;-)
[18:36] <Pici> oh look ompaul 
[18:37] <ompaul> I forgot about that
[18:37]  * ompaul looks at Pici 
[18:37] <ompaul> what am I to look at Pici ;-)
[18:37] <Pici> ompaul: uh. dunno
[18:37] <ompaul> Pici, ok ;-)
[18:38] <elkbuntu> i am the new orochi victim
[18:38] <Pici> elkbuntu: How'd he find you?
[18:38] <elkbuntu> emma probably showed him the logs for here
[18:39] <ompaul> what is orochi or should I ask
[18:39] <Myrtti> I'm getting a heartburn on the emma related stuff
[18:39] <Myrtti> I get the sudden urge to scream and run away
[18:39] <elkbuntu> ompaul, a canonical customer who thinks a subscription earns him a 'do as you please' license
[18:39] <Myrtti> eygh
[18:39] <ompaul> elkbuntu, that gets them tech support not community support
[18:39] <Myrtti> nasty
[18:39] <elkbuntu> ompaul, yeah, no kidding
[18:40] <elkbuntu> he can pay us if he wants
[18:40] <ompaul> hehe
[18:40] <Pici> elkbuntu: He got pissy because we removed people for preemptively posting links before the release announcement.  Said we were misrepresenting canonical.  
[18:40] <ompaul> better have lots of dosh to pay me
[18:40] <Pici> er, not elkbuntu, ompaul 
[18:40] <ompaul> Pici, we don't represent canonical
[18:40] <Pici> ompaul: Yes I know.
[18:40] <Seveas> ompaul, we know. It's been dealt with
[18:40] <ompaul> at least the last time I checked
[18:40] <Seveas> emma was kicked out forgood as a sideeffect
[18:40] <elkbuntu> ompaul, this guy doesnt see the distinction
[18:40] <ompaul> well in there may be exceptions 
[18:41] <ompaul> elkbuntu, heheh point him to me and I will educate him 
[18:41] <ompaul> you would be surprised what would happen in such a small mind
[18:41] <Pici> elkbuntu: How recent was the last message from him?
[18:41] <elkbuntu> ikonia, ping?
[18:41] <elkbuntu> pici about 4 mins ago
[18:41] <ompaul> ikonia, got to have words with you this evening pm if you are around
[18:41] <Seveas> ompaul, it's already in canonical hands, it's been dealt with. No need to worsen the situation by giving him another op to harass
[18:41] <elkbuntu> orochi_ is his current nick
[18:42] <elkbuntu> Seveas, it's not 'been' dealt with if i got a message 4 minutes ago from him
[18:42] <Pici> Indeed.
[18:42] <ompaul> elkbuntu, ahh put him on ignore and tell him he is going on ignore as canonical don't pay you
[18:42] <Seveas> elkbuntu, that's true, but I think it's safe to simply ignore him now
[18:43] <Seveas> I've talked to jcastro as well (well, he poked me) and I'm confident that it's been dealt with up to the point where we can ignore him
[18:43] <elkbuntu> it might be worth letting him know it's still happening, incase he thinks its fait accompli
[18:44] <elkbuntu> we dont need any more time sink trolls
[18:44] <Amaranth> omg that guy is on slashdot too
[18:44] <Amaranth> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=533250&cid=23182722
[18:44] <ompaul> Amaranth, give them nothing 
[18:44] <Pici> Amaranth: Yeah..
[18:45] <Amaranth> he posted my chat with him on slashdot
[18:45] <Amaranth> What. The. Fuck.
[18:45] <ompaul> Amaranth, hit /. with a take down 
[18:45] <Pici> ohmy, but yes, thats obscene in itself.
[18:46] <Pici> The log just makes orochi look bad anyways
[18:47] <Seveas> Amaranth, and forward that to jcastro please
[18:47] <Seveas> I take back my previous comments on it being dealt with
[18:48] <elkbuntu> rofl, he doesnt even pay... he's an employee of a customer. ha.
[18:49] <ompaul> elkbuntu, it gets better - so he is doing this from work
[18:49] <Pici> "So wait, let me get this straight: people went on IRC, asked particularly stupid questions, and got banned for it?, Stop the presses, we've got headline news right here!" haha
[18:49] <elkbuntu> ompaul, not sure
[18:49] <elkbuntu> he's canadian by hostmask
[18:50] <ompaul> ok
[18:50] <mc44> set mneptok onto him
[18:50] <ompaul> mc44, not sure the world is ready for that one
[18:51] <Seveas> mc44, mneptok is a canonical employee, Bad idea.
[18:52] <Seveas> we don't have to tiptoe around canonical customers, he probably does :)
[18:52] <elkbuntu> if he continues the harrassment, i'm sure rogers will be happy enough to disable the account. if as ompaul speculates he is at work, then i'm sure his work will simply *love* him
[18:52] <Pici> :P
[18:52] <mc44> Seveas: he can give him special support! :)
[18:52] <Seveas> elkbuntu, read your channel ;)
[18:53] <Seveas> mc44, that's what I'm afraid of
[18:54] <elkbuntu> geez. 4am. all this UNPAID stuff is such a time sink sometimes
[18:54] <elkbuntu> g'nite
[18:54] <Pici> goodnight!
[18:54] <Myrtti> elkbuntu: isn't it
[18:54] <Myrtti> gnite
[19:04] <ompaul> that is just sad - I am torrenting up faster than I am downloading ;-)
[19:05] <ompaul> ubuntu torrents are fun I guess
[19:10]  * Seeker` has a ratio of 2.6 for his torrent
[19:15] <ompaul> 15 down 20 up
[19:15] <Pici> 14:11:29 >>>> Irssi: New peak in #ubuntu@freenode : 1708
[19:15] <ompaul> just started - something to do with being in work
[19:41] <Pici> 40
[19:43] <Seveas> jdong, what's with the 40's?
[19:48] <jdong> Seveas: my favoite LILO message :)
[19:48] <jdong> that dreaded 0x40 seek error when you place /boot way too high :)
[19:49] <Seveas> ah
[19:49] <Seveas> never used lilo
[19:49] <Seveas> used yaboot for the first time this week
[19:49] <Seveas> finally got me a ppc buildd \o/
[19:51] <nalioth> Seveas: do you have a ppc machine?
[19:52] <Seveas> nalioth, the previous 2 lines seem to indicate that
[19:52] <Seveas> it's not technically mine though, but I'm the only user 
[19:52] <nalioth> what did you get?
[19:58] <Seveas> g4, 400mhz, 348mb mem
[19:58] <Seveas> not a speedmachine, but good enough
[20:00] <Pici> yikes #ubuntu is really flying now
[20:01] <Pici> Every 10 seconds I get another screenfull
[20:05] <nalioth> Seveas: you don't measure by clock speed with Macs.  They're all good machines.
[20:06] <Seveas> nalioth, it's still significantly slower than my i386 and amd64 machines when it comes to building packages
[20:08] <Seveas> now I just need a sparc to have a complete farm :)
[20:09] <Pici> We should update !envy 
[20:10] <nalioth> Seveas: "sleep on it"  :)
[20:11] <Pici> I dont know what the new stance on envyng is though
[21:37] <tcpdumpgod> Jack_Sparrow, may I PM you about something private please?
[21:37] <tcpdumpgod> =)
[21:37] <Jack_Sparrow> certainly
[21:38] <tcpdumpgod> Outstanding.
[22:13] <gnomefreak> am i here?
[22:13] <Seveas> no
[22:13] <gnomefreak> why do i keep connecting without connecting seee gnomefrea1k :(
[22:14] <PriceChild> irssi?
[22:14] <gnomefreak> yes
[22:15] <ikonia>  7does anyone know vanzemaljac
[22:15] <PriceChild> sure you haven't got another window already open when you try nd join?
[22:15] <ikonia> it's the same guy who was being odd to me under a different nick
[22:15] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: yes ive been shutting irssi down
[22:16] <gnomefreak> ikonia: i dont recall that nick
[22:16] <Seveas> keep an eye on matt444 in -ot
[22:16] <Seveas> he's annoying
[22:16] <ikonia> me neither, he sent me loads of links of me offering advice saying I was popular, he was using the nick coko
[22:17] <ikonia> odd, harmless, just odd
[22:19] <Jack_Sparrow> Seveas, he was annoying in main
[22:20] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, universe and wrong in multiverse
[22:20] <ompaul> hahahaha
[22:20] <Jack_Sparrow> cute
[22:21] <Jack_Sparrow> time for meds and a nap...  enjoy the chaos
[22:22] <ikonia> osmosis - going to troll
[22:22] <ikonia> I can feel it
[22:25] <ikonia> maybe not, 
[22:27] <ikonia> is envy now supported ?
[22:27]  * gnomefreak hopes now
[22:27] <gnomefreak> not
[22:29] <ikonia> concur
[22:30] <ompaul> it is
[22:31] <ikonia> doh
[23:03] <ubotu> xtf called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic ()