[00:00] <billyd> I got 128K service - KDE 4.0 beta took 23 hours - a major error in judgement
[00:00] <praWned> 128k...ouch
[00:01] <sgrover> ahhh.... I remember those days... 56K modems were a luxury back then....
[00:01] <mot_> lol
[00:01] <mot_> 128k?
[00:01] <praWned> i always had ISDN, 64k :)
[00:01] <mot_> poor guy
[00:01] <praWned> and wicked low pings on rogue spear
[00:01] <sgrover> If I wanted 128k, it was two phone lines and two modems....
[00:02] <mot_> i'm on a university line....we've got OC192
[00:02] <praWned> heh. 128k was paypermin
[00:02] <billyd> AT&T claims to have DSl here.  Switching station is 12 miles away.   Same for Camtel.  Their switching station is 18 miles away.  I got a wireless system from them - Motorola Canopy eqipment
[00:02] <sgrover> praWned: the servers are just a tad busy today.... be patient... :)
[00:02] <praWned> now i has 20Mbit :)
[00:02] <praWned> sgrover: yeah its all coming down now, slowly. i dont mind that. just i hate timeouts :(
[00:03] <billyd> And At@T would rather let us eat cake than maintain their phone lines.
[00:03] <sgrover> praWned: heh... 11:00 last night I was trying to get java installed on a server.... no such luck... :)
[00:03] <mot_> billyd, DSL is only good up to ~4 miles
[00:03] <praWned> fibre to the curb for everbody!
[00:03] <mot_> they must be doing some interesting wifi/wimax (prolly wifi - motorola canopy)
[00:03] <mot_> nah, FTTH is the next big thing
[00:04] <billyd> I know and AT&T does to when they find out how far away you are
[00:04] <mkz> did someone make a suggestions for mirros to be used with sources.list?
[00:04] <sgrover> mot_: different classes of dsl.... as the signal degrades they call it something different... I think I heard it called "msl" at one point.
[00:04] <skreech_> mot_: ftth ?
[00:04] <mot_> FTTC is expensive enough as it is, it makes the most sense to go the extra mile (so to speak) and implement FTTC
[00:04] <praWned> Im on a FTTN at the mo. its okay
[00:04] <praWned> skreech_: Fiber to the curb
[00:04] <mot_> ftth = fiber to the home
[00:04] <mot_> FTTN is a catch-all term...FTTN is what most neighborhoods utilize
[00:04] <skreech_> praWned: Ok I'm FFTC now
[00:04] <mot_> fiber to the node, and then copper from the node to cover the local loop.
[00:04] <praWned> well. its actually explicit fttn here.
[00:05] <praWned> fat coax on the last mile from the green boxes
[00:05] <sgrover> thought fttc was fiber to coper
[00:05] <praWned> on the streets
[00:05] <mot_> sgrover, dsl is inherently prone to attenuation - no amount of repeaters is going to reproduce a lossless signal.
[00:05] <mot_> sgrover, nope. fiber to the curb.
[00:06] <praWned> fiber - copper and copper - fiber requires DAC/ADC
[00:06] <billyd> Camtel had visions of running a main optic cable from High Island to Port Bolivar.  And taking on Ma Bell by her gonads.  Unfortunately Rita came along
[00:06] <mot_> praWned, right, that's what most neighborhoods utilize these days. them explicitly stating it is just clever marketing to make it sound fancy
[00:06] <billyd> Thery were gonna offer Hi speed internet, phone and HDTV
[00:06] <praWned> well in the UK, BT use copper from the exchange to the boxes and some more copper to the houses
[00:06] <mot_> billyd, good luck taking ma bell by the gonads. the only legitimate competition in the US for ma bell these days is verizon
[00:07] <skreech_> sorry to break you guys up but ..
[00:07] <mkz> doesn't ma bell, by definition, lack gonads?
[00:07] <mot_> praWned, right, that's what they typically do in the US - FTTN..the node usually covers the local loop (neighborhoods) and is copper-based.
[00:07] <skreech_> !ot | mot_ praWned billyd mkz. Please keep this channel clear for support
[00:07] <ubotu> mot_ praWned billyd mkz. Please keep this channel clear for support: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[00:07] <praWned> either way. my local UBR is completely chock full with students rinsing bittorrent so i has horrible pings and packet loss in counterstrike
[00:07] <billyd>  Camtel is a small comapany.  Originally from Cameron, La and was in telecommunications becaus of the offshore and the remoteness of Cameron
[00:08] <mot_> meh
[00:08] <teo-> i need some help.. when i try to start kubuntu it doesn't start.. some busybox shell is started please help ?:S
[00:08] <mkz> Support question: Where can I find a list of available mirros for sources.list?
[00:09] <iDano84> Hello
[00:09] <mot_> hi
[00:09] <iDano84> I have a slight problem...
[00:09] <mickita> hi
[00:09] <skreech_> mkz: In generall put your Countrry's two letter designation in frount of archive.ubuntu.com
[00:09] <mkz> teo-: by asking this question i no way imply i can help, but it might be useful to know: is this a clean install on a clean hd or have you done as I've done an installed a secondary (actually tertiary in my case) drive to install to?
[00:09] <Ertyle> mkz: not sure about a complete list, but they're in the form "xx.archive.ubuntu.com", where xx is a country ISO abbreviation
[00:09] <skreech_>  the servers will redirect you to the closest one
[00:09] <flipstar> mkz: change the main mirror in adept and it will automaticly change the sources.list
[00:09] <skreech_> teo-: on boot? Does it have any errors?
[00:10] <altj> I have question regarding the 8.04 DVD, does it include KDE4?
[00:10] <mkz> skreech_, Ertyle would it matter if you switch to a mirror from a different country (for the time being) as us archive is a tad slow?
[00:10] <teo-> skreech_ no.. i use the same ubuntu 1 mouth with no error.. today when i start my com. i get that :S
[00:10] <Ertyle> mkz: not at all, i never used my country's mirror myself, as i find the swedish mirror faster for me
[00:11] <iDano84> I got some Ubuntu Disc's in the mail today (v7.10 x64). I'll be the first to admit, I know little to nothing about Linux in general. the problem is, I boot up the disc, and when I go to install Ubuntu, monitor loses signle (no video output). What do I need to do. I have an 8800 GTS 512mb Video card.
[00:11] <mkz> Ertyle: ok, thanks
[00:11] <skreech_> mkz: ope please do it helps everyone
[00:11] <flipstar> altj: the kde3 dvd? no
[00:12] <altj> flipstar, thx.  I just wanted to make sure before I attempted downloading it today.
[00:13] <skreech_> teo-: Did you do an update?
[00:13] <teo-> skreech_ yes .. yesrerday.. but it worked when i restart it
[00:13] <altj> is there a kde4 dvd?  I only see i386 and amd64 versions on DVD.
[00:14] <altj> BTW, the DVD bittorrent link on this page is broken http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php
[00:14] <altj> it looks like it should point here instead http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hardy/release/dvd/
[00:15] <Bhaal> altj: visit #kubuntu
[00:15] <Bhaal> altj: for kde4
[00:15] <Bhaal> Wait
[00:15] <xmd> what command should i use to upgrade to the Newest KDE version?
[00:15] <mkz> #kubuntu-kde4
[00:15] <Bhaal> hehehe...
[00:15] <altj> isn't this #kubuntu
[00:15] <altj> hehe
[00:15] <altj> :-)
[00:15] <Bhaal> mkz: thanks...
[00:15] <altj> got it
[00:15] <mkz> Bhaal: np
[00:15] <Bhaal> altj: Ive just woken up hehe, and thought I was looking at #ubuntu :)
[00:17] <skreech_> teo-: cn you choose a differnt kernel and see if that boots
[00:18] <altj> who should I notify about a broken link on kubuntu.org?
[00:18] <sgrover> sure it's broken and just not flooded?
[00:18] <altj> yup
[00:19] <altj> 404
[00:19] <altj> the first BitTorrent link on this page
[00:19] <altj> http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php
[00:20] <altj> looks like it should be hardy instead of 8.04 in the link
[00:22] <skreech_> altj: #kubuntu-devel
[00:22] <skreech_> I think they made a room for the Kubuntu Webteam :-)
[00:23] <Jucato> altj: Riddell fixed it already
[00:23] <joh6nn> does anyone know how to make screen behave more like xterm, with regards to termcap/terminfo stuff?  when i use vim inside of screen, i occasionally get some weird behaviour
[00:23] <Jucato> just needs to cache
[00:23] <xmd_> what command should i use to upgrade to the Newest KDE version?
[00:23] <Jucato> !upgrade
[00:23] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[00:24] <mattchew____> I'm having trouble downloaded anything with apt-get or adept from official repositories, are the servers having issues?
[00:25] <flipstar> hm..no updates between rc and final..
[00:25] <xmd_> iam not upgrading to hardy wants KDE 4.03 to my 7.10 gutsy!!'
[00:26] <Jucato> mattchew____: possibly. so many people trying to upgrade, servers and mirrors are getting hammered
[00:26] <Jucato> flipstar: if you have updated regularl since rc, you are already in final
[00:26] <flipstar> sure.. i just wondered
[00:28] <iain> can someone sort me out here?  My task manager disappeared (my wife said she didn't touch anything..... right)  and everything else is crammed to the left by the kicker.  I restarted the task manager but its now very small and unusable.  How do I put it back in its correct position and resize it?
[00:29] <Jucato> iain: KDE 3 or KDE 4?
[00:29] <iain> sorry kde4
[00:29] <iain> kubuntu 8.04
[00:29] <Jucato> #kubuntu-kde4 then
[00:29] <iain> okay
[00:29] <iain> thanks
[00:32] <LimCore> I want given removable hard drive to be always auto mounted without question. howto?
[00:33] <toyo|desk> lol the ubuntu servers are so jammed that I cant even get the release notes to download
[00:34] <LimCore> heh
[00:34] <praWned> toyo|desk: i had that issue. try a few times then wait for like 5 mins
[00:34] <toyo|desk> yeah
[00:34] <toyo|desk> praWned, it finally did go
[00:34] <flipstar> LimCore: systemsettings>advanced>drives and enable automount or >fstab :)
[00:34] <toyo|desk> but now its jammed on a tar file
[00:34] <toyo|desk> lol
[00:35] <praWned> heh
[00:35] <praWned> yea mines gonna take a few
[00:35] <toyo|desk> ah there we go
[00:35]  * toyo|desk hits finish
[00:35] <toyo|desk> wish me luck
[00:35] <toyo|desk> :P
[00:35] <praWned> fetching file 63 of 1010 @ 20kb/s :(
[00:35] <flipstar> omg
[00:36] <toyo|desk> 38 of 52 stalled
[00:36] <toyo|desk> :P
[00:36] <LimCore> flipstar: what drivers?
[00:37] <flipstar> LimCore: disk's & drives ..
[00:37] <LimCore> you mean, Disks and filesystems?
[00:37] <flipstar> ah ..yeah
[00:37] <bragoo08> part
[00:37] <LimCore> Im there but I dont see option to enable automount
[00:38] <toyo|desk> praWned, do you know if once the actual upgrade happens they try and connect you to a local mirror?
[00:39] <praWned> i heard that it does
[00:39] <flipstar> LimCore: as root click on edit and select mount on startup
[00:39] <LimCore> flipstar: I did that and it doesnt work
[00:40] <LimCore> I want it to mount when I connect the device, not at bootup
[00:40] <toyo|desk> lol it will take about 1 hr 55 min on your internet connection
[00:40] <Tefkros> a
[00:40] <toyo|desk> :P
[00:40] <toyo|desk> thats funny
[00:41] <Tefkros> \me eats
[00:41]  * Tefkros eats
[00:41] <praWned> my fc box has like 300 yum updates to chug thru too :-/
[00:41] <toyo|desk> haha
[00:42] <toyo|desk> my stupid upgrade has yet to get through 1 package
[00:42] <toyo|desk> :/
[00:42] <toyo|desk> oh there it goes
[00:42] <praWned> im gonna pop off to bed and leave it til the morning
[00:42] <toyo|desk> it was just thinking about it
[00:45] <toyo|desk> this is going to take longer than I thought it would
[00:45] <toyo|desk> :/
[00:45] <skreech_> LimCore: Interesting I'll find out if there is a GUI way to do that
[00:47] <scorpio_> Hi
[00:47] <scorpio_> Hallo
[00:48] <scorpio_> ist jemand da..?
[00:48] <genii> !de | scorpio_
[00:48] <ubotu> scorpio_: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[00:48] <rbrunhuber> Scorpio: das ist ein englischer channel
[00:49] <scorpio_> uups
[00:49] <scorpio_> ok thx
[00:50] <toyo|desk> holy crap
[00:50] <toyo|desk> 7 hrs 25 min remain
[00:50] <scorpio_> it does not works irc.ubuntu.de : 8001
[00:51] <scorpio_> first hello @ all
[00:51] <scorpio_> i have question:
[00:52] <scorpio_> after installing nvidia drivers (activing the effects) on my notebook, i can not change the display brightness....can u help me
[00:52] <scorpio_> too dark
[00:53] <CrocoJet> is "ok"  KDE4 in 8.04 ?
[00:53] <CrocoJet> or lot bugs .. yet
[00:53] <nosrednaekim> CrocoJet: its stable.,.... but its more a lack of features than alot of bugs
[00:53] <scorpio_> not kde
[00:55] <CrocoJet> and Konqueror .. is working with flash plugin ?
[00:56] <nosrednaekim> CrocoJet: I'm not sure, I haven't really tried
[00:57] <CrocoJet> ok
[00:57] <CrocoJet> I know that old version 3.5 .. has problems
[00:57] <Daisuke_Ido> since when does kde 3.5.x have problems?
[00:58] <Daisuke_Ido> and what kind of problems, anyway?
[00:58] <CrocoJet> crash
[00:58] <Daisuke_Ido> okay, konqueror and flash aren't friends
[00:58] <Daisuke_Ido> i thought you were talking about kde as a whole
[00:58] <CrocoJet> ok
[00:58] <CrocoJet> do you know if solved in new version 4 ?
[00:58] <Daisuke_Ido> i do not know
[00:58] <richv> Hmf. My in-place upgrade of Kubuntu 7.10 --> 8.04 is stuck on the download fo file 1515. Anybody else have this problem?
[00:59] <Nole> can anyone help me with setting up a dialup connection on kubuntu
[00:59] <richv> fo == of
[00:59] <Daisuke_Ido> last i tried using kde 4 was 4.0.1 and said 'screw it' til 4.1 comes out.
[00:59] <Daisuke_Ido> richv, well, since everyone else is upgrading as well, i'm not surprised.  give it a while
[01:00] <richv> Daisuke_Ido: Yep, I'm sure you're right.
[01:01] <Daisuke_Ido> right now i'm trying to remember what to do if that isn't the issue, and i'm drawing a blank :\
[01:02] <navetz> does anyone know how i can set up my server to send email's?
[01:02] <ISS_Student> If I installed RC prior to the official release and did updates also prior to release what do I need to do in order to in sure that I am running all the stuff from the official release?
[01:02] <joh6nn> Nole: what are you having trouble with?
[01:02] <Daisuke_Ido> ISS_Student, you're already there,
[01:03] <Nole> kubuntu won't recognize my modem
[01:03] <Daisuke_Ido> the RC and updates "rolled up" to the final release
[01:03] <ISS_Student> My sound worked prior to the update on RC and now it doesn't work. It's realtek do I need to dop something with the kernel to get it to work again
[01:03] <joh6nn> nole: are you getting an error, or do you just not see it in the network settings panel?
[01:04] <Nole> its not in my network settings panel
[01:05] <Persona> [ISS_Student] is it an Intel chipse?
[01:05] <Persona> *chipset
[01:05] <joh6nn> Nole: if you type lspci in the terminal, do you see your modem?
[01:05] <ISS_Student> Persona it's the Realtek high def sound runing on a laptop that has the intel processor and intel wireless
[01:06] <xsacha> hey
[01:06] <xsacha> Upgrading Kubuntu to version 8.04 LTS    Preparing the Upgrade  99%        Fetching file 20 out of 39 -- it has been here for 3 minutes so far
[01:06] <Persona> so I´m afraid it´s ICH7 chipset
[01:06] <xsacha> should i be worried?
[01:07] <ISS_Student> Perona is there someway I can check in Kubuntu?
[01:07] <Persona> so... it´s a pain in the a** ISS_Student
[01:07] <crimsun> ISS_Student: download http://hg.alsa-project.org/alsa/raw-file/tip/alsa-info.sh and run it using bash
[01:07] <nohelphere> where can I get a kubuntu 8.04 kde 4.0 torrent?
[01:07] <Nole> yes i do
[01:07] <clip-art> hi everybody, is this a support channel ?
[01:07] <nohelphere> oha slkde 4 bene released yet?
[01:07] <crimsun> clip-art: according to the topic, yes.
[01:07] <joh6nn> xsacha: all the repos are pegged
[01:07] <xsacha> joh6nn: oh ok
[01:07] <Persona> I think that in the very kubuntu not. You'll have to have a look into alsa
[01:07] <dope> so i'm using 8.04 KDE4 and i can't connect to my wpa encrypt network
[01:08] <joh6nn> nohelphere: kubuntu.org has links for .torrents
[01:08] <dope> how do i remedy this
[01:08] <clip-art> crimsun: thx for ur reply... well, i installed the latest version of kubuntu, my bcm 4310 wireless card cannot be enabled, shall i use ndiswrapper?
[01:08] <xsacha> dope: i have a bug where it keeps choosing WPA when in fact my network is WEP Ascii.. i need to change it to that every time it cant connect
[01:08] <xsacha> maybe you have same thing?
[01:08] <nohelphere> but is there a torrent for the kde 4 remix?
[01:08] <joh6nn> nohelphere: i'm seeding it as we speak
[01:09] <dope> xsacha: it says wpa
[01:09] <bazhang> http://se.cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/releases/8.04/release/kubuntu-kde4-8.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent nohelphere
[01:09] <Persona> yes nohelphere and it´s faster than the servers
[01:09] <Nole> joh6nn i see my modem now
[01:09] <joh6nn> Nole: ; D
[01:09] <ISS_Student> Persona I saved that file in my home folder then from a terminal typed also-info.sh and it didn't run
[01:09] <Nole> now what do i do?
[01:09] <xsacha> dope: but is it?
[01:10] <xsacha> dope: its just that whenever mine cant connect (loss signal or something) it reverts back to WPA
[01:10] <Persona> just a quick question. I've just tryed remix4 and lost of problems. Coud somebody confirm that it´s buggy and the robust-3 isn´t as buggy as the other one?
[01:10] <nohelphere> that link doesn't work
[01:10] <xsacha> when it is in fact WEP on my network
[01:11] <xsacha> so i change to WEP and it connects fine
[01:11] <joh6nn> Nole: try "dpkg -s kppp", see what it says
[01:11] <ISS_Student> funny thing is when I first installed RC for 8.04 the sound worked fine then when I did the updates which were around 90 then sound stopped working
[01:11] <crimsun> clip-art: I'm not familiar with the bcm4310.  Did you check http://linuxwireless.sipsolutions.net/en/users/Drivers/b43 ?
[01:11] <xsacha> i have a bcm4310
[01:11] <bazhang> works here nohelphere
[01:11] <dope> xsacha: my home network is WPA. the encryption type in kubuntu is set to WPA
[01:11] <crimsun> ISS_Student: where did you save it?
[01:11] <xsacha> dope: oh ok, dont know
[01:11] <ISS_Student> to my home folder
[01:12] <dope> xsacha: are you running the kde4 edition?
[01:12] <xsacha> clip-art: you should see a Restricted Drivers icon in corner
[01:12] <nohelphere> what country is that server in?
[01:12] <clip-art> xsacha: how did u get it work?
[01:12] <xsacha> dope: yeah
[01:12] <crimsun> ISS_Student: then you need: bash ~/alsa-info.sh
[01:12] <xsacha> clip-art: click on restricted drivers icon (green on kde4?) and it pops up a window with videocard and wireless
[01:12] <clip-art> xsacha: i have KDE 3.5.9!!
[01:12] <xsacha> clip-art: then select wireless and choose yes and it will install the bcm firmware for your card
[01:13] <xsacha> should be the same thing.. its a qt3 app anyway
[01:13] <ISS_Student> Ok it ran Persona and said it uiploaded info
[01:13] <clip-art> xsacha: well, i am really new to kubuntu, just tell me how i reach the restricted drivers plz
[01:13] <Nole> joh6nn: im looking at the help file on kubuntu and it says to get the scanModem.gz file and i downloaded it and transfered it to my computer with an mp3 player and moved it to the desktop
[01:13] <xsacha> clip-art: it should be an icon in bottom right hand corner
[01:14] <clip-art> is it green? like a ball?
[01:14] <xsacha> no
[01:14] <ISS_Student> Hmm system beep in a terminal appears to work
[01:14] <joh6nn> Nole: what help file?
[01:14] <joh6nn> Nole: also, what does "dpkg -s kppp" say?
[01:14] <xsacha> maybe look in menu for restricted drivers manager
[01:14] <xsacha> gtg
[01:14] <clip-art> xsacha: thx :)
[01:14] <Nole> joh6nn: it explains what kppp is
[01:15] <joh6nn> Nole: what does it say under status?
[01:15] <Nole> install ok installed
[01:15] <xsacha> clip-art: anyway, it's just a batch operation that install bcm43-fwcutter and then downloads a wpast.o file and cuts the firmware from it
[01:15] <xsacha> it places the firmware in /lib/firmware
[01:16] <joh6nn> Nole: ok, then try running kppp, clicking on Configure, and then clicking on "new"
[01:17] <Nole> joh6nn: k i did that
[01:17] <ISS_Student> Per I ran that file and it said to notify the person helping me
[01:17] <joh6nn> Nole: ok, are you in the US?
[01:17] <Nole> joh6nn: yes
[01:17] <Pers> [ISS_Student] I´m not a guru
[01:17] <joh6nn> Nole: then pick the manual setup
[01:17] <Pers> [ISS_Student] just I´ve got the same soundcard as you
[01:18] <Nole> joh6nn: ok i did
[01:18] <ISS_Student> Pers ok
[01:18] <crimsun> ISS_Student: you need to tell me the url it generated.
[01:18] <travioso> running kubuntu 7.10, trying to run alternate cd setup to 8.04, but i get an error cant install kubuntu-desktop
[01:18] <Pers> [ISS_Student] and it´s a very problematic card AFAIK. I´ve had very bad expedience whith it
[01:18] <travioso> any advice where to start?
[01:18] <joh6nn> Nole: from there, you should pretty much just be able to put in the phone number
[01:18] <hal14450> does anyone happen to have a torrent link for kubuntu? i'd like to help seed if there is one that is
[01:19] <ISS_Student> Crimsun it is http://pastebin.ca/996506
[01:19] <joh6nn> hal14450: they're at kubuntu.org
[01:19] <Nole> joh6nn: i put that in, should i put in a connection name?
[01:19] <crimsun> ISS_Student: sec
[01:19] <joh6nn> Nole: yes
[01:20] <Nole> joh6nn: ok did that, is that all?
[01:20] <joh6nn> Nole: god-willing; i've never used a modem with linux, so if there's more to it than that, you're out of luck
[01:20] <Airforce5555> http://www.raygoldmodels.com/
[01:20] <Nole> joh6nn: ok
[01:20] <Airforce5555> all you linux needs
[01:20] <joh6nn> Nole: a lot farther along then you were, at least, right? : )
[01:21] <hal14450> joh6nn, so far i'm not having much luck finding one as the net is slow
[01:21] <Nole> joh6nn: this is my first time using linux
[01:21] <Nole> joh6nn: yeah
[01:21] <ISS_Student> Sound is not a big issue but it's nice to have
[01:22] <joh6nn> hal14450: which are you looking for, 3.5.9, or 4.0 ?
[01:22] <Pers> [ISS_Student] I´ve not been able to play 4.1 system with that card properly
[01:23] <hal14450> joh6nn, whatever torrent is in need of seeding the most
[01:23] <hal14450> i'vve got plenty of BW to spare
[01:24] <ISS_Student> Pers It  worked fine when I loaded RC but then the updates lol now yuck
[01:24] <DrX> I want to partition a 465G RAID 5 array to hold mission-critical data for optimal flexibility so it can hold Linux & Windows (NTFS) partitions that can be easily resized and grown onto additional drives -- what do you all suggest?
[01:24] <joh6nn> hal14450:  http://ubuntu.osuosl.org/releases/kubuntu/hardy/kubuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[01:24] <joh6nn> loading up a link for the 4.0 remix
[01:24] <hal14450> joh6nn, ty
[01:24] <joh6nn> np
[01:25]  * joh6nn has been seeding both for hours
[01:25] <tony403> DrX, apparently not many people use raid. i'd help if i could
[01:26] <crimsun> ISS_Student: echo options snd-hda-intel model=acer|sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[01:26] <crimsun> ISS_Student: afterward, reboot.
[01:26] <ISS_Student> Crimsun should I copy and paste that in a terminal?
[01:26] <joh6nn> hal14450: http://ubuntu.etherkiller.de/kubuntu-kde4/kubuntu-kde4-8.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[01:26] <crimsun> ISS_Student: yes, that entire command (from echo .. alsa-base)
[01:27] <hal14450> joh6nn, already have it going thanks ;-) i gave it 200K of upload speed so that should help
[01:28] <Darkphyre> Hello everyone
[01:28] <joh6nn> hal14450: there's two different isos, one for KDE 3.5.9 and one for 4.0
[01:28] <hal14450> oh i see
[01:28] <Darkphyre> I'm trying out kubuntu
[01:28] <Darkphyre> And I'm having a little problem
[01:28] <joh6nn> DrX: sounds like you want to be about to resize partitions a lot, is that right?
[01:28] <hal14450> joh6nn, well hopefully  i picked the popular one
[01:29] <tony403> Darkphyre, what's the problem?
[01:29] <Darkphyre> I installed nvidia-glx-new for my geforce 6600GT, and now Xorg won't start up.
[01:29] <tony403> did you try sudo dkpg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[01:29] <Darkphyre> yes
[01:30] <flipstar> Darkphyre: how did you installed it & whats the error message during boot ?
[01:30] <Darkphyre> I installed it using apt-get install
[01:30] <qworty> my balls!
[01:31] <Darkphyre> the error message is: unable to find a valid framebuffer device
[01:31] <Darkphyre> NV(0) failed to open framebuffer device
[01:31] <tony403> Darkphyre, i do believe there's another dependent package as well. i'm on windows right now and just started using linux so pardon if i'm unsure
[01:31] <Darkphyre> Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration
[01:32] <flipstar> Darkphyre: hm in xorg.conf is nvidia? not nv or so
[01:32] <Daisuke_Ido> Darkphyre, nvidia-settings
[01:32] <Daisuke_Ido> is the package you should grab, i believe (don't quote me on that)
[01:32] <flipstar> Daisuke_Ido: nvidia-settings is part of the nvidia driver
[01:32] <Darkphyre> I used kubuntu a while back...the Xorg.conf file is really short in this new release..
[01:32] <flipstar> so no needfor that
[01:32] <tony403> Daisuke_Ido, doesn't he need the kernel modules as well or does it automatically grab it?
[01:33] <Daisuke_Ido> i think that's a dependency
[01:34] <Daisuke_Ido> Darkphyre, yeah, xorg is moving to a minimal config file
[01:34] <Darkphyre> downloads are so slow too.....i guess ubuntu's servers are getting hammered
[01:35] <Darkphyre> so what should I do then?
[01:35] <Darkphyre> install nvidia-settings?
[01:35] <flipstar> Darkphyre: it should already be installed
[01:36] <flipstar> you could try the driver manager..
[01:36] <Darkphyre> it isn't apparently.
[01:36] <tony403> Darkphyre, had the same kind of problem. i just purged the nvidia drivers and reinstalled
[01:36] <joh6nn> you can check with dpkg -s nvidia-settings | grep status
[01:36] <Darkphyre> i did apt-get install nvidia-settings and is trying to download
[01:36] <Darkphyre> but its hanging on "connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com"
[01:36] <etfb> Quick dumb question: Kubuntu 8.04 with KDE4: should I install it on the machine I use every day for everything, or not?  I'm a geek, but not a Linux expert, exactly.
[01:37] <ISS_Student> Thanks Persona and Crimsun sound is working now. I had change 1 thing in mixer also but now it works fine
[01:37] <rickest> Darkphyre: mine looked hung on that earlier but it eventually succeeded. was disappointing I couldn't tell it was still working but it was
[01:38] <Darkphyre> yeah...servers are just getting overloaded at the moment i guess..
[01:38] <tony403> etfb, you can install it side by side with kde3 but not something i'd use everyday unless you want to bugtest
[01:38] <ISS_Student> Now to see what else I can break lol
[01:38] <Perso> [ISS_Student] try using the volum control on kde
[01:39] <etfb> tony403: OK, fair enough.  I'll take it in stages.  Thanks.
[01:39] <ISS_Student> Perso I used the volume control on the taskbar then bumped up PCM setting to max
[01:40] <ISS_Student> Tested a MP3 file and it played fine so it's all good now
[01:40] <Darkphyre> and a side question, is KDE4 any more stable than KDE3?
[01:40] <Perso> and the sound is working?
[01:40] <Daisuke_Ido> Darkphyre, not *yet*
[01:40] <ISS_Student> Darkphyre I'd stick with 3.5.9
[01:40] <Daisuke_Ido> but i have high hopes for 4.1
[01:41] <tony403> Darkphyre, at it's core, i can't say since i haven't used it enough but the apps aren't
[01:41] <ISS_Student> Perso yup it's all good now
[01:41] <Daisuke_Ido> which will probably be dashed, like they always are
[01:41] <Perso> ok so it´s perfect
[01:41] <LimCore> I want given removable hard drive to be always auto mounted without question. howto?   I want it to mount when I connect the device, not at bootup.  I can do it non-gui way as well btw
[01:41] <joh6nn> Darkphyre: if you're looking for stability, stick with 3.5.9.  if you don't mind the trade off between instability and fun stuff, then go for 4.0
[01:41] <ISS_Student> Well time to grab some dinner thans again Perso and Crimsun I'll be back later
[01:41] <Darkphyre> bummer. I download the kde4 remix kubuntu.
[01:41] <Darkphyre> downloaded*
[01:42] <ISS_Student> You can use 4 as a live disk to see how it works
[01:42] <nosrednaekim> nothing wrong with that... you can install it then grab kde3
[01:42] <flipstar> LimCore: it should actually automount when it's specified in fstab
[01:42] <Perso> by ISS_Student
[01:42] <Darkphyre> yay, finally. nvidia-settings installed.
[01:43] <Darkphyre> anything else I should do?
[01:43] <tony403> Darkphyre, nvidia-settings won't help if your xorg is screwed up and can't start x
[01:43] <Darkphyre> oh..
[01:44] <Daisuke_Ido> nvidia-xconfig (that was the one i was thinking of)
[01:44] <hal14450> joh6nn, thanks for the link i'm already seeding @ full bw ;-)
[01:44] <Darkphyre> Daisuke_Ido, I typed that. now my screen went "input signal out of range"
[01:45] <joh6nn> hal14450: cool! thanks for seeding!
[01:45] <freeblowed> when using adept manager, after you pick all the packages and commit, if there's an error downloading, you have to go through and do all of it over again
[01:45] <Daisuke_Ido> Darkphyre, may try a reboot (god it hurts to say that)
[01:45] <freeblowed> in kde 4 there seems to be no way to move the widgets which are on the main bar
[01:46] <DrX> why does Linux let me an ext3 volume but not an LVM2 volume/group and why does the parititioner select 60G automatically when I choose LVM?
[01:46] <Darkphyre> a reboot?...wow...ok
[01:46] <flipstar> freeblowed: it's still #kubuntu-kde4
[01:46] <freeblowed> sorry
[01:46] <hal14450> joh6nn, it's my pleasure even though i use ubuntu there's no reason i can't help spread kubuntu ;-)
[01:46] <joh6nn> freeblowed: nope, you can usually go to a terminal and run "apt-get install -f" to fix installs that broke in adept
[01:46] <joh6nn> it usually picks up where adept left off
[01:46] <freeblowed> that's not what I'm talking about
[01:46] <Daisuke_Ido> Darkphyre, nvidia's drivers like a fresh start for some reason, and i've seen stranger things happen
[01:47] <Darkphyre> Daisuke_Ido, kk, no problem.
[01:47] <freeblowed> if there's an error downloading, you have to go through and repick all the stuff to install
[01:47] <Darkphyre> rebooting now.
[01:47] <Darkphyre> same thing :/
[01:48] <poseidon> My screen is all messed up in it's size, how do I change the resolution?  I can't find it in the menu.
[01:48] <eddieftw> right click on the desktop
[01:48] <poseidon> (Sorry I'm new to kubuntu)
[01:48] <joh6nn> freeblowed: i think that's a known bug
[01:48] <eddieftw> kmenu->system settings ->monitor and display
[01:48] <freeblowed> k thanks
[01:48] <eddieftw> @ poseidon i mean
[01:50] <Darkphyre> I think there's a wrong setting in my Xorg.conf thats causing my screen to go to an unsupported mode...
[01:51] <joh6nn> probably; you could try dpkg-reconfigure again
[01:51] <Darkphyre> joh6nn, I did, but then it goes back to square one.
[01:51] <joh6nn> hmm
[01:52] <Darkphyre> Here's my "Section Monitor" setting
[01:52] <joh6nn> can you get it to do the out of range stage again?
[01:52] <Darkphyre> yeah joh6nn
[01:52] <Darkphyre> thats where i have it now
[01:52] <poseidon> eddieftw, it doesn't let my apply the settings
[01:52] <Darkphyre> Identifier "Monitor0"
[01:53] <Darkphyre> HorizSync "30.0 - 110.0
[01:53] <joh6nn> Darkphyre: pastebin it?
[01:53] <Darkphyre> I cant copy-paste it
[01:53] <Darkphyre> its on my desktop
[01:53] <Darkphyre> i'm on my laptop
[01:53] <flipstar> Darkphyre: 110.0 is a little high..?
[01:54] <Darkphyre> VertRefresh 50.0 - 150.0
[01:54] <Darkphyre> where should it be?
[01:54] <poseidon> How do I install the nvidia driver?
[01:54] <Darkphyre> Option "DPMS"
[01:54] <flipstar> i've (@85Hz) HorizSync       30.0 - 98.0
[01:54] <jeroen-> does anyone know hoe to change the color of the coloured scrollbars {QtCurve}?
[01:54] <jeroen-> how-how
[01:55] <jeroen-> hoe=how
[01:55] <flipstar> poseidon: use the driver manager in kmenu>system
[01:55] <tony403> Darkphyre, you can usually find that out by going to your monitor manu. site but i've never had to mess with it since kubuntu usually configured it by itself
[01:55] <joh6nn> Darkphyre: i'm with flipstar; your sync ranges seem odd
[01:56] <Darkphyre> changed it. restarted Xorg, same error.
[01:57] <nosrednaekim> jeroen-: yeah.... not sure seems to be the same as the hihglighted text color
[01:57] <flipstar> Darkphyre: maybe you'r screen support's only 70Hz or so
[01:57] <flipstar> you probably don't have specifications about that..?
[01:57] <Darkphyre> nope...
[01:57] <jeroen-> nosrednaekim: yes, it seems like does - I want it to have the same color as my windows background
[01:58] <Darkphyre> "(EE) Failed to load module "type1" (module does not exist, 0)"
[01:58] <joh6nn> Darkphyre: 50-60hz is usually safe; it might look terrible, but it's usually safe
[01:58] <Darkphyre> how do I set it to that?
[01:58] <joh6nn> Darkphyre: is there a type1 heading in your xorg.conf?
[01:59] <crimsun> Darkphyre: you can comment out that line in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:59] <Darkphyre> yes, joh6nn
[01:59] <tony403> Darkphyre, have you tried sudo modprobe nvidia?
[01:59] <joh6nn> what's it say under there?
[01:59] <nbf7777> how do you add decoders to amarok?
[01:59] <nosrednaekim> jeroen-: ah! select "configure style.." where you select QtCurve as your kde style
[02:00] <nosrednaekim> it'll be there
[02:00] <Darkphyre> Load "type1"
[02:00] <jeroen-> nosrednaekim: mmm lets take a look to see if I understand you correctly
[02:01] <joh6nn> Darkphyre: then i'm guessing that crimsun was talking about that line when he said you can comment the line out
[02:01] <Darkphyre> I did
[02:01] <jeroen-> nosrednaekim: yes please continue :-)
[02:02] <joh6nn> to set your sync, you can use HorizSync "50.0 - 60.0"
[02:02] <tony403> Darkphyre, also "sudo nano /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common" to see if nv is disabled?
[02:02] <nosrednaekim> jeroen-: scrollbar color or something like that
[02:02] <jeroen-> nosrednaekim: os not in there
[02:03] <Darkphyre> its not, tony403
[02:03] <nosrednaekim> jeroen-: sliders?
[02:03] <jeroen-> yes
[02:03] <Darkphyre> what about vertrefresh?
[02:03] <tony403> Darkphyre, then add DISABLED_MODULES="nv"
[02:03] <Darkphyre> but i don't want to disable nv....I want to use the nvidia drivers.
[02:04] <tony403> Darkphyre, i would just do a complete purge and reinstall to make sure you have all dependencies.
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> jeroen-: fiddle with that I guess
[02:04] <jeroen-> nosrednaekim: oh yes!
[02:04] <jeroen-> confusing
[02:04] <tony403> Darkphyre, nv is not nvidia
[02:04] <flipstar> Darkphyre: did you tried the driver manager yet ?
[02:04] <Darkphyre> driver manager?
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> jeroen-: indeed
[02:05] <flipstar> Darkphyre: you're on hardy right ?
[02:05] <flipstar> Darkphyre: kmenu>system>driver manager
[02:05] <Darkphyre> yes. 8.04
[02:05] <Darkphyre> I cant open Xorg
[02:05] <Darkphyre> so i can't use those
[02:05] <flipstar> Darkphyre: no low graphic modus ?
[02:05] <Darkphyre> no flipstar
[02:06] <jeroen-> nosrednaekim: the button-setting will work or custom off course
[02:06] <Darkphyre> i'm trying to get the nvidia drivers to work
[02:06] <jeroen-> nosrednaekim: thanks
[02:06] <nosrednaekim> jeroen-: yup... I changed it button for myself
[02:06] <Darkphyre> i adjusted the refresh rate and now i get the gray screen with the X mouse cursor
[02:07] <flipstar> it should run with vesa right now
[02:07] <jeroen-> nosrednaekim: what shoul 'fill used' mean?
[02:07] <flipstar> Darkphyre: so can you login ?
[02:07] <Darkphyre> (II) Module "ramdac" already built-in
[02:08] <Darkphyre> no, I can from the command line.
[02:08] <poseidon> When I go to the display monitor to change my resolution it never allows me to apply the changes
[02:08] <flipstar> Darkphyre: so what happens if you type 'startx' ?
[02:08] <Darkphyre> let me try.
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> jeroen-: no idea
[02:10] <Darkphyre> flipstar: (EE) NVIDIA(0) Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module
[02:10] <flipstar> Darkphyre: okay this probably is a sign of bad installed driver's
[02:11] <Darkphyre> FATAL: Could not open '/lib/modulers/2.6.24-16-generic/volatile/nvidia.ko'L: No such file or directory
[02:12] <Darkphyre> looks like i am missing some files...
[02:12] <Darkphyre> what should I download to fix this?
[02:12] <crimsun> Darkphyre: install linux-generic
[02:13] <Darkphyre> already installed
[02:14] <crimsun> Darkphyre: is linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) installed?
[02:14] <tony403> Darkphyre, sudo apt-get-install linux-restricted-modules
[02:14] <Darkphyre> ok, its installing.
[02:16] <Darkphyre> waiting for headers...
[02:16] <kevman`> IS there no DVD version out yet or what?
[02:16] <tony403> kevman`, yes, hold on
[02:17] <flipstar> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hardy/release/kubuntu-8.04-dvd-i386.iso.torrent <<this ?
[02:17] <Darkphyre> okay. linux-restricted-modules are installed
[02:17] <Darkphyre> what now, tony403?
[02:17] <kevman`> If it exists, yes. But the server is timing out.
[02:18] <tony403> startx
[02:18] <Darkphyre> same error, tony403
[02:18] <kevman`> Does anyone have the torrent file to DCC me or something? Please?
[02:18] <kevman`> Or a mirror?
[02:19] <flipstar> kevman: a mirror is here http://www.acc.umu.se/~mighty/ubuntu/
[02:19] <kevman> I was at that a while ago and that DVD image wasn't there.
[02:19] <Darkphyre> any other ideas, tony403?
[02:19] <kevman> FINALLY. Thanks.
[02:19] <flipstar> kevman: now it is ::)
[02:19] <poseidon> How do I check for updates?
[02:19] <tony403> Darkphyre, are you on kubuntu 64?
[02:20] <Darkphyre> no, tony403
[02:20] <kevman> What would Linux do without BT, eh?
[02:20] <flipstar> poseidon: a triangle in kicker will appear if updates are availible
[02:21] <kevman> Of course, gentoo seems to have more mirrors
[02:21] <flipstar> kevman: did you checked the mirror list?
[02:21] <poseidon> flipstar, I just installed and I havn't had any updates.  I think it's because I don't connect to the internet on boot up.  I have to manually use dhclient
[02:21] <xyphor> darkphyre - you might want to see if the nvidia.ko file now exists
[02:22] <tony403> Darkphyre, maybe try to reconfigure xorg now
[02:22] <kevman> yeah, both have long lists.
[02:22] <flipstar> poseidon: if you just installed 8.04 there are no updates yet..you're up to date
[02:22] <Darkphyre> ok...
[02:22] <flipstar> poseidon: if you want to check anyway run adept_updater
[02:23] <poseidon> flipstar, thanks.  I was hoping there were some as kde 4 is really buggy :)
[02:23] <Darkphyre> (EE) unable to find a valid framebuffer device
[02:23] <kevman> Gentoo's is immense, though.
[02:23] <tony403> Darkphyre, also you can try sudo depmod to try to rebuild module dep.
[02:23] <mot_> any other US-based mirrors besides us.archive.ubuntu.com?
[02:23] <mot_> for hardy?
[02:24] <Darkphyre> (EE) NV(0) Failed to open framebuffer device
[02:24] <kevman> Hehe, the storage reduncancy of large portions of the Internet is staggering...
[02:24] <mot_> trying to download compiz and it is sitting at 0% from us.archive.ubuntu.com
[02:24] <Darkphyre> (EE) Screens found, but none have a usable configuration
[02:24] <flipstar> Darkphyre: i would start with vesa/nv then purge the drivers and use the driver manager..
[02:24] <xyphor> darkphyre: I agree with flipstar...your x config sounds hosed
[02:25] <tony403> Darkphyre, rmmod nvidia && modprobe nvidia
[02:25] <flipstar> mot_: just hold on ..but you don't need an US mirror nessesary
[02:25] <mot_> right
[02:25] <mot_> i just need another mirror
[02:25] <mot_> 'cause compiz is fubar and i can't apt-get the new version from the US mirrors
[02:25] <Darkphyre> ERROR: Module nvidia does not exist in /proc/modules
[02:26] <tony403> Darkphyre, as they said, if nothing else, purge the drivers and reinstall
[02:26] <flipstar> Darkphyre: nvidia has to build the drivers for your kernel
[02:26] <tony403> Darkphyre, once you have it working i'd use the graphical synaptic interface. it should give you no problems with installing
[02:28] <Darkphyre> thats if i can get it back to work...
[02:30] <flipstar> Darkphyre: <sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh> and select vesa
[02:31] <Darkphyre> it doesn't let me choose it
[02:32] <Darkphyre> it auto writes a conf file
[02:32] <tony403> Darkphyre, helpful site: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[02:32] <nosrednaekim> yeah... this isn't gutsy anymore flipstar
[02:32] <Darkphyre> looks like i'll have to reinstall ubuntu...AGAIN...
[02:32] <Darkphyre> kubuntu*
[02:33] <flipstar> didn't knew that..
[02:33] <flipstar> Darkphyre:  then open the config <sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf> and replace nvidia with vesa..
[02:33] <Darkphyre> there is no nvidia
[02:33] <Darkphyre> the xorg.conf is really short
[02:34] <Darkphyre> it doesn't let me change the driver types or anything
[02:34] <flipstar> no device section?
[02:34] <Darkphyre> oh, yeah
[02:34] <Darkphyre> it says
[02:34] <Darkphyre> "Configured Video Device"
[02:35] <jimiIL> hey there all of you
[02:35] <tony403> Darkphyre, if you want to completely remove it all, use sudo
[02:35] <tony403> apt-get --purge remove nvidia-glx nvidia-settings nvidia-kernel-common
[02:35] <tony403> rm /etc/init.d/nvidia-*
[02:35] <jimiIL> anyone can help me with compiz manager?
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> jimiIL: the simple easy one which is included? sure
[02:36] <jimiIL> amm.. there's the simple one which included but there's no setting in it, just 3 states
[02:37] <flipstar> that's probably why it's called simple :)
[02:38] <Darkphyre> im just going to reinstall...
[02:38] <Darkphyre> this is too much trouble.
[02:38] <jimiIL> there's an compiz manager ion addon and a simple compiz manager, which is simpke but allows you to choose effects, last time i used kubuntu it worked, but i just can't  use it now, the advance manager(which is must for the simple one) is working..
[02:38] <jimiIL> anyone know this or have any advices?
[02:39] <Odd-rationale> Darkphyre: I know what you mean... I'm keeping an eye on this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=765422
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> jimiIL: whats not working about the simple one?
[02:40] <Darkphyre> okay Odd-rationale
[02:40] <jimiIL> when im trying to open the app it loading and then "dissaper"
[02:41] <jimiIL> (LOL reminds me the bad old time's as windows technician)
[02:42] <flipstar> the new x.org feature is that it should configure automaticly if it fails
[02:42] <jimiIL> which means the simple GUI manager that come's with the dist?
[02:45] <Darkphyre> the new Xorg reconfiguration sucks.
[02:45] <Darkphyre> it doesn't let you do as much as you used to be able to do.
[02:45] <nbf7777> help needed for a newby to kubuntu
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> nbf7777: whats the problem
[02:46] <nbf7777> i have a media can not be played  error in amarok
[02:46] <nbf7777> it sais codec not available
[02:46] <jimiIL> the prob is that the "adv(but i reinstall from other reasons) the advance one.. well.. it's just to much complicate
[02:46] <tony403> nbf7777, it should download it if you choose
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> nbf7777: what filetype?
[02:47] <nbf7777> it is a radio stream
[02:47] <tony403> nbf7777, have you tried to play an mp3 first?
[02:47] <nbf7777> yes that works. and so the cd's
[02:48] <nosrednaekim> nbf7777: did you do it from with a playlist->add STream dialog?
[02:49] <Rynoo> Anyone else having a problem installing Kubuntu defaulting into BusyBox?
[02:49] <nbf7777> no from playlist radio strams cool streams secret agent stream
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> Rynoo: yes! I had that... I just eneded up upgradeing instaed of doing a fresh install
[02:49] <Rynoo> nosrednaekim: Odd.
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> nbf7777: oh... wow... those should be supported just fine
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> nbf7777: try asking in #amarok
[02:50] <Rynoo> nosrednaekim: Unfortunately, I can't do that. Installing on another hard drive. Don't really want to install Ubuntu, then install kubuntu-desktop, too much garbage.
[02:50] <nbf7777> :) one more dumb question. how do i open the #amarok chanel?
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> !purekde
[02:50] <ubotu> purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> nbf7777: what client are you using?
[02:51] <nbf7777> konversation in kubuntu
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> nbf7777: just click on "#amarok" then
[02:51] <nbf7777> ahh thank you very much
[02:51] <tinin> !midi
[02:51] <ubotu> Trouble playing MIDI files? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowTo
[02:51] <tinin> How do I enable midi?
[02:52] <tinin> ok, nice bot
[02:52] <jimiIL> guys.. anyone knows another compiz manager\settings that is quite simple and enable effect select?
[02:53] <flipstar> jimiIL: what's about ccsm ?
[02:53] <jimiIL> amm.. let's check it..
[02:54] <jimiIL> but im pretty sure that this was the app i was talking about
[02:54] <Dr_willis> ccsm is the defacto settings manager for compiz. :)
[02:54] <flipstar> probably..so what's wrong with it ?
[02:55] <Dr_willis> I think ive seen the gnome settings thing let you tweak a subset of all the plugins.
[02:55] <Dr_willis> wasent there a ccsm-simple also?
[02:55] <jimiIL> well maybe it's for defecto but it usful
[02:55] <Dr_willis> !find ccsm
[02:55] <ubotu> Found: simple-ccsm
[02:55] <Dr_willis> !info simple-ccs,
[02:55] <ubotu> Package simple-ccs does not exist in hardy
[02:55] <jimiIL> i found it
[02:55] <Dr_willis> doh. :)
[02:55] <jimiIL> and that's the one im talking about
[02:55] <jimiIL> it's just not working
[02:55] <jimiIL> im trying to launch it
[02:55] <Dr_willis> define 'not working'
[02:55] <Dr_willis> run it from a terminal, look for error messages.
[02:56] <jimiIL> thinking..thinking..thinking and then nothing
[02:56] <Dr_willis> check out the following url also...
[02:56] <Dr_willis> !ccsm
[02:56] <ubotu> To enable advanced customization of desktop effects in Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy), install 'compizconfig-settings-manager'. A new option will appear in your appearance properties - See also !compiz - Help in #compiz-fusion
[02:56] <Dr_willis> !compiz
[02:56] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[02:56] <diefordethklok> When I activate compiz on hardy and mouse ove the window, the window bar disappears on anything not selected and leaves a small silver streak
[02:56] <flipstar> diefordethklok: see above
[02:57] <yago> hi,I'm installing 8.04 and I have a problem, that it shows "Configuring chillispot (1.0-8) ..", and it's stop,
[02:57] <yago> what can I do?
[02:57] <tony403> !ubotu
[02:57] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[02:58] <diefordethklok> !life
[02:58] <ubotu> life is something very few people know about in this channel - and anyway, it's probably offtopic, perhaps you want to try #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:58] <diefordethklok> lol
[02:58] <tony403> lol
[02:58] <jimiIL> how can i launch app from the terminal?
[02:59] <tony403> i'm pleased with the job they did with obuto
[02:59] <diefordethklok> type the app process into a terminal
[03:00] <tony403> jimiIL, that can be tricky sometimes. you may need to use grep to search for installed packages. sometimes they're named different when installed
[03:00] <jimiIL> "Info: No sexy-python package found, don't worry it's optional"
[03:01] <jimiIL> when i'n launching csm
[03:01] <jimiIL> i feel like my comp is revenging me about all the microsoft abuse years lol
[03:02] <tony403> jimiIL, sudo apt-get install sexy-python. maybe you're lacking it for a certain effect you're using
[03:02] <jimiIL> y
[03:03] <aib> can anyone recommend a good open source sound mixer? something with lots of parameters etc...
[03:03] <jimiIL> trying..
[03:03] <aib> kde of course:)
[03:03] <aib> preferably in apt
[03:03] <jimiIL> the kmix is not bad at all you can enable\define it
[03:04] <Darkphyre> okay. I have re-installed kubuntu. how should i go about installing the drivers for my nvidia geforce 6600GT card?
[03:04] <aib> kmix is not really good at controlling the sound once it's been directed at the speakers
[03:05] <aib> can't even change bass/treble
[03:05] <jimiIL> arrrrrr
[03:05] <flipstar> aib alsamixer maybe
[03:05] <Darkphyre> should i use nvidia-settings or?
[03:05] <tony403> Darkphyre, the graphical packager should install everything you need automatically. never had a problem with it
[03:05] <aib> hmm, but i'm using threaded open sound system. will alsa still work..?
[03:05] <USN1520> hello, how do I get knetworkmanager to stop nagging for the wallet password at login and just have the password reloaded?
[03:05] <flipstar> aib hm alsamixer can't change bass or so anyway
[03:05] <jimiIL> still the same the advance manager is working and the simple one not
[03:05] <tony403> Darkphyre, if you like and want to tweak graphics for gaming and such
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> jimiIL: run the somple one from the command line "desktop-effects-kde"
[03:06] <tony403> Darkphyre, could install nvidia-xsettings as well, i believe which is an x frontend
[03:06] <Darkphyre> I'm trying the "Hardware Drivers" program
[03:07] <Darkphyre> its installing nvidia drivers automatically
[03:07] <flipstar> tony403: this would make no sence since it's part of the driver
[03:07] <tinin> !java
[03:07] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[03:07] <jimiIL> command not found :-(
[03:07] <tony403> flipstar, since when? i've always installed it together manually
[03:08] <flipstar> tony403: since ever afaik
[03:08] <jimiIL> and the kde manager is not what im talking about, the ccsm manager has an simple manager too(the ccsm is must for it) and he's not working
[03:08] <tony403> flipstar, didn't know
[03:08] <flipstar> now you do :)
[03:08] <nosrednaekim> oh.. ok
[03:09] <jimiIL> "simple-ccsm"
[03:09] <USN1520> fellas can I get a little keyring help
[03:09] <david_> I installed the RC version of hary a few days ago -do I need to make any changes now that the full version has been released?
[03:09] <jimiIL> that's the error i'm getting guys.. "Traceback (most recent call last):  File "/usr/bin/simple-ccsm", line 28, in <module>    import gtk.glade as gladeImportError: No module named glade"
[03:10] <Darkphyre> i wonder if canonical will upgrade their servers....this 30 minute wait to download a package is getting annoying...
[03:10] <tony403> Darkphyre, you can always donate ;), or pay for support to help them out
[03:11] <USN1520> Darkphre: Agree, had to wait a while just to update
[03:12] <jimiIL> i got disconnected
[03:12] <jimiIL> does anyone knows what should i do about this error:
[03:12] <jimiIL> Traceback (most recent call last):  File "/usr/bin/simple-ccsm", line 28, in <module>    import gtk.glade as gladeImportError: No module named glade
[03:12] <USN1520> so there I was at first login and network manager would not stop asking me for a darn password...any ideas?
[03:12] <flipstar> i've a problem with vlc here..the videos (.avi) starts just after 30seconds..any ideas ?
[03:12] <tony403> anyone here switch to gnome after using kde a while? i haven't used gnome and thinking to switch (ubuntu)
[03:13] <USN1520> tony403: gnome is really clean and uncluttered
[03:13] <USN1520> using kde right now
[03:13] <tony403> USN1520, i think there is an option in kdewallet to remember passwords iirc
[03:14] <tony403> flipstar, is it just one certain video or all?
[03:14] <tiberius1701> hello i was trying to update to 8.04 in adapt, when i click fetch updates i hangs a waiting for headers (99%)??
[03:14] <flipstar> tony403: all and btw also .ogg
[03:14] <Darkphyre> I use ubuntu at work. Was using windows at home. gonna try kubuntu at home now. :)
[03:15] <USN1520> tiberius servers are throttled right now
[03:15] <tiberius1701> i see, it just finish now though
[03:15] <tiberius1701> i asked to soon
[03:15] <Darkphyre> did this server hammering happened during the last major release?
[03:15] <tony403> tiberius1701, did you try using the console to update and notice any errors?
[03:15] <USN1520> I can't remember actually
[03:16] <tiberius1701> well i havnt click the upgrade button yet
[03:16] <USN1520> just proof that (k)ubuntu is picking up a lot of speed
[03:17] <tiberius1701> and whats with all the bird names
[03:17] <flipstar> !codenames
[03:17] <ubotu> Ubuntu has awesome release codenames. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames for more
[03:17] <USN1520> each release is named after an animal
[03:17] <tiberius1701> whats the next release lusty lark :)
[03:17] <flipstar> intrepid ibex :)
[03:17] <jimiIL> guys.. anyone knows hou can i handle this error:(simple-ccsm)
[03:17] <jimiIL> "Traceback (most recent call last):  File "/usr/bin/simple-ccsm", line 28, in <module>    import gtk.glade as gladeImportError: No module named glade"
[03:17] <jimiIL> pls..?
[03:18] <tony403> bird names mean ubuntu is starting to take flight with the general public, idk
[03:19] <Ketrel> 2 questions, when I installed Hardy, the restricted driver thing didn't come up to tell me about nvidia. Also, the wallpaper looks dithered. Does that mean my monitor isn't displaying enough colors or the wallpaper isn't using enough colors?
[03:19] <tony403> jimiIL, apt-cache search glade. see if it's installed. it'd be my guess but i'm mostly a noob
[03:19] <ubuntu__> could someone please point me to the kubuntu 8.04 (KDE 4 Remix) torrent?  i can't seem to find it
[03:20] <flipstar> ubuntu__: see kubuntu.org
[03:20] <tony403> ubuntu_, see http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hardy/release/dvd/
[03:21] <flipstar> i don't think the dvd contains kde4
[03:21] <tony403> ubuntu_, nvm, it's getting hammered as well
[03:21] <tony403> flipstar, maybe not. i'm just dl'ing ubuntu dvd
[03:21] <tony403> wasn't all that impressed with kde4, still needs work
[03:22] <flipstar> definitive
[03:22] <ubuntu__> oh i think i found it.  what's the difference between kubuntu-kde4-8.04-alternate-i386.iso.torrent   and  kubuntu-kde4-8.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent  ??
[03:22] <ubuntu__> oh the alternate is the text installer isn't it
[03:23] <flipstar> yep
[03:23] <flipstar> desktop is live
[03:23] <ubuntu__> tony403: so KDE4 isn't worth it in your opinion?
[03:23] <flipstar> maybe kde4.1 is ..
[03:23] <tony403> ubuntu_, yeah, also you can use encrypted files system with alternate and use it if you have any trouble with the desktop install as i did
[03:23] <tony403> ubuntu_, yeah, i like it and it has potential but it's not as stable as i like yet
[03:24] <ubuntu__> yeah I guess i'd prefer stability
[03:24] <ubuntu__> maybe i'll wait
[03:24] <Darkphyre> okay guys, it seems that I am now using the nvidia drivers. but my screen is locked at 640 x 480. how do i make it go to 1440x900?
[03:24] <spanther> how long time left till the release of 8.04 ? :)
[03:24] <spanther> long=much
[03:24] <Darkphyre> spanther, its been released already.
[03:24] <flipstar> Darkphyre: just use the nvidia-settings
[03:24] <flipstar> spanther: about 100 years
[03:24] <spanther> Darkphyre, nah this is a release candidate :)
[03:25] <fildo> guys i have a weird sound issue
[03:25] <fildo> anyone willing to help
[03:25] <Odd-rationale> spanther: its been delayd - 6 wks
[03:26] <fildo> my sound was working , now all of a sudden i have no mixers in kmix
[03:26] <ubuntu__> unrelated question.. does reiserfs have any significant advantage over ext3?
[03:26] <spanther> Odd-rationale, damn :(
[03:26] <flipstar> ubuntu__: yes..it's better for smaller files
[03:26] <Darkphyre> wait, so kubuntu 8.04 was delayed?
[03:26] <flipstar> Darkphyre: no.
[03:26] <Darkphyre> then what is spanther talking about?
[03:27] <flipstar> ask him - not me
[03:27] <Odd-rationale> Darkphyre: just a joke... :)
[03:27] <Nole> i finally got my modem working on kubuntu and i want to know if there is a way to make it faster on dialup?
[03:27] <jimiIL> guys believe it or not it's working
[03:27] <Darkphyre> ah..
[03:27] <spanther> there was a counter at ubuntu.com but i cant find it anymore so i dont know the time left ^
[03:28] <Ketrel> The restricted driver thing didn't come up when I installed 8.04. How do I get the nvidia drivers now?
[03:28] <flipstar> spanther: no counter - no time left :)
[03:28] <spanther> flipstar, nice :D
[03:28] <spanther> first i thought like 5 days left or so hehe but i wasnt sure
[03:29] <tony403> Nole, chances are, no, not any perceivable speed difference
[03:29] <tony403> Nole, what kind of modem?
[03:29] <flipstar> spanther: it was released 16-17h ago :))
[03:29] <Darkphyre> Ketrel: Applications > System > Hardware Drivers Manager
[03:29] <hector> que verga es esta porqueria
[03:29] <tony403> Ketrel, use synaptic graphical package manager is what i do
[03:29] <hector> no hay español
[03:30] <spanther> flipstar, so cool now i can try it out XD so the LTS version is it the same as normal just with longer support?
[03:30] <hector> nadie habla español
[03:30] <tony403> Ketrel, or as Darkphyre said
[03:30] <hector> ????????
[03:30] <Nole> tony403: what if i install firefox and pipelin it
[03:30] <Odd-rationale> kubuntu will not be LTS this release
[03:30] <Odd-rationale> !es | hector
[03:30] <ubotu> hector: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[03:30] <tony403> Nole, it can help some, depending on your computer and internet speed
[03:30] <Nole> tony403: im not sure bout it was installed in the computer when i got it
[03:30] <tiberius1701> ketrel: there should be somthin under the kmenu under system with and icon that looks like a pci add on card
[03:30] <flipstar> spanther: sure..but unfortunately kubuntu is not lts release
[03:31] <Nole> tony403: well im pipelinning on my laptop (im on it right now) and it really has increased my internet speed
[03:32] <tiberius1701> i think it was a bad idea to try and upgrade right now
[03:32] <tony403> Nole, for some it seems to help, some it seems to hurt. just experiment but you don't want to hit the server too hard with a lot of pipeline requests just out of courtesy
[03:32] <Darkphyre> nvidia-settings wont let me change the screen resolution either...
[03:33] <Toran> OK, I am running kubuntu on a thinkpad x60. I want to use an external keyboard. When I plug it in (USB), though, I can't type on it. A light comes on the keyboard, but my laptop doesn't accept input from it. I tried rebooting with it plugged in, but I had no luck. How can I make this work?
[03:33] <Darkphyre> its still locked on 640x480
[03:33] <Nole> tony403: what exactly does pipelinning do?
[03:33] <tony403> Darkphyre, is your monitor model in the monitor config options?
[03:33] <Darkphyre> nope.
[03:34] <tony403> Nole, iirc, makes multiple requests to the server, sort of like multitasking
[03:34] <tony403> Nole, grabs packets while it is also receiving packets
[03:35] <Nole> tony403: oh, could i go over my bandwith limit easier this way?
[03:35] <spanther> flipstar, is the 64bit version fully supported with drivers for sound and mainboard chipsets and 3D available for nvidia cards?
[03:35] <Darkphyre> is there a way to manually add the resolution to my xorg condfiguration?
[03:36] <tony403> Nole, i don't think. you still use the same bandwidth but it's faster
[03:36] <Nole> tony403: oh, ok, good
[03:36] <BluesKaj> Darkphyre,in the xorg.conf text file or reconfiguring xorg thru the gui ?
[03:36] <Ketrel> Thanks for the help on the graphics card
[03:36] <Ketrel> (and I always use Synaptic)
[03:37] <flipstar> spanther: official ? yes, but there still some troubles with flash or such things
[03:37] <tony403> Nole, some packets, if you have it configured for too many requests, may be dropped and waste bandwidth though
[03:37] <spanther> flipstar, flash only? well okay i can live without flash :)
[03:37] <Nole> tony403: i have it at 100 right now is that too high?
[03:37] <flipstar> spanther: and codecs maybe
[03:37] <Ketrel> also do I want nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new?
[03:38] <flipstar> spanther: and other packages see at the ubuntu wiki or so for details
[03:38] <trophyhead> I know it's a simple click to a box but I have a blonde question hehe, = )   in adept installer I don't see any packet choices?,
[03:38] <tony403> Nole, 100 what?
[03:39] <Me> hey is anyone up?
[03:39] <flipstar> nope
[03:39] <Nole> tony403: in about:config i have my max requests at 100
[03:39] <Me> hey flipstar, you half asleep?
[03:39] <Me> i have a very basic question
[03:40] <Me> what is the advantage of using kubuntu over ubuntu?
[03:40] <Me> is it faster?
[03:40] <tony403> Nole, my network.http.pipelining.maxrequests is at 4, which is default but pipelining isn't enabled by default. i wouldn't go any higher than 8 for courtesy reasons. 100 is overkill
[03:41] <Nole> tony403: ok, i read on i-hacked that putting it at 100 would make it faster, which it did
[03:41] <tiberius1701> this i gay it say 6 hr for the upgrade to 8.04
[03:41] <Ketrel> Is the reason I can't download any packages due to the repositories getting hammered?
[03:41] <flipstar> Me it just a question about the style and apps maybe
[03:41] <n000b> can anyone help me
[03:41] <tony403> Nole, most sights i read say 30 for optimal performance but i notice no difference from 4 than 30 or more
[03:42] <noobest> haha = )
[03:42] <n000b> hi noob
[03:42] <noobest> hey
[03:42] <Darkphyre> this is so.....stupid...i can't even add subsections to the new xorg.conf.
[03:42] <Nole> tony403: i have dialup so its maked a difference to me
[03:42] <n000b> noob do you know what the advantage of kubuntu is?
[03:43] <robotgeek> n000b: what do you need help with?
[03:43] <flipstar> Darkphyre: you don't have options to change the screen in nvidia-settings ?
[03:43] <Darkphyre> no flipstar
[03:43] <n000b> .
[03:43] <tony403> Nole, i also read any value above 8 will be ignored, which makes sense. i don't think FF devs would create it with an option to basically do a small ddos to a site
[03:43] <noobest> i dont think theres a diff, in kubuntu or ubuntu, just a different look I guess, I prefer kubuntu myself = )
[03:43] <Darkphyre> it wont let me go over 640x480 in nvidia-settings either.
[03:43] <flipstar> but the drivers are enabled ..?
[03:44] <tiberius1701> n000b: advantage compaired to what
[03:44] <Nole> tony403: ok i set it down to 8 and it seems faster than normal
[03:44] <n000b> robot geek, i just want to know if kubuntu is faster than, or has some other advantage over ubuntu
[03:44] <Darkphyre> yes flipstar
[03:44] <n000b> is it easier on system resources?
[03:45] <Darkphyre> not the drivers of my monitor tho..
[03:45] <n000b> robotgeek: are you there
[03:45] <tony403> Nole, might be. using too many requests can saturate your bandwidth as well
[03:45] <tiberius1701> nooob: well i thought it was the same just will the kde desktop enviroment
[03:45] <robotgeek> n000b: yes, i am here
[03:46] <robotgeek> n000b: there kernel or the core of both are the same
[03:46] <tiberius1701> not sure about any advantages or disadvantages
[03:46] <Nole> tony403: ok, do you know of a way i can install firefox off my ubuntu live cd?
[03:46] <n000b> robotgeek: yes im aware of that
[03:46] <Ketrel> Is the reason I can't download any packages due to the repositories getting hammered?
[03:46] <noobest> I must have the oldest video card haha nvidia tnt2, & yes if you enable the accel program it can do 3d just poor graphics = (
[03:46] <tiberius1701> ketrel: pretty sure
[03:46] <tony403> Nole, sudo apt-get install firefox?
[03:46] <robotgeek> n000b: the desktop environments and the surrounding apps are different. i prefer kde cause the apps are more integrated, though gnome seems to be getting there quite quickly
[03:47] <tony403> Nole, nvm, i believe it's only included on the dvd
[03:47] <tiberius1701> ketrel: i updating to 8.04 it says 20 hrs
[03:47] <n000b> robotgeek: how are they different
[03:47] <Nole> tony403: i don't want to download it, its like 10mb and that takes forever on my internet
[03:48] <robotgeek> n000b: well, gnome uses the gtk toolkit, while kde uses the qt toolkit. the way the apps are coded are different, so they may differ in functionality slightly
[03:48] <robotgeek> n000b: you can mix and match though, so it is not a problem
[03:48] <tony403> Nole, yeah, dial-up would be slow but i don't think it comes on the cd version
[03:49] <n000b> robotgeek: how do you mix and match?
[03:49] <robotgeek> tiberius1701: i am downloading the torrent for kubuntu (alternate) and I plan to upgrade off of that
[03:49] <Ketrel> tiberius1701 wow
[03:49] <robotgeek> n000b: you install whatever gnome app you want, it will work on kde anyhow
[03:49] <Nole> tony403: i have an ubuntu live, kubuntu live, and kedubuntu live cd but i used and alt install for dapper drake
[03:49] <tony403> Nole, you could order the DVD of K/Ubuntu if you wanted though
[03:50] <n000b> robot geek, does ubuntu and kubuntu include a disk partitioning program in the installation setup?
[03:50] <Ketrel> I am happy to know my gyro mouse works flawlessly
[03:50] <n000b> robotgeek:
[03:50] <noobest> it's only like 20-30 min, for me (download & burn cd & install) it would take me 5-7 hrs too if I did a direct install over the web = )
[03:50] <tiberius1701> yea, but it upgrading now i dont think i can stop it can i
[03:50] <Nole> tony403: but i dont have a dvd player on my computer that has kubuntu on it,   i found this computer in a pile of junk and it still worked (literally)
[03:51] <robotgeek> n000b: yes. (as an aside, see tab completion :) )
[03:51] <n000b> what do you mean tab completion?
[03:51] <n000b> robotgeek:
[03:51] <robotgeek> n000b: type rob<tab>
[03:51] <n000b> rob<tab>
[03:52] <Darkphyre> i feel like i'm wasting my time with linux....always something wrong with it. if its not the nvidia drivers, its the monitor not going to full resolution.
[03:52] <Jucato> !tab | n000b
[03:52] <ubotu> n000b: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[03:52] <Jucato> n000b: you're supposed to press the Tab key
[03:52] <Jucato> not type it
[03:52] <robotgeek> Jucato: thanks. nice to see you
[03:52] <n000b> ro
[03:52] <n000b> robotgeek:
[03:52] <Jucato> hehe yeah long time no see robotgeek! :)
[03:52] <n000b> ok thanks
[03:52] <Nole> oh thats how it works
[03:53] <tiberius1701> robotgeek: can i stop this over the net upgrade and go and download the cd, or will that screw somting up
[03:53] <robotgeek> Jucato: yes, rl keeps me busy. downloading the upgrade, so let us see how that goes
[03:53] <Darkphyre> anybody know how i can force a resolution in this new Xorg server?
[03:53] <n000b> robotgeek: is kubuntu easier on system resources
[03:53] <tony403> Darkphyre, I know the feeling but right now, we're sort of pioneers in OSS working to make life easier for those after us
[03:53] <n000b> is it more geared to experts?
[03:54] <robotgeek> tiberius1701: ooh, as long as you don't restart, i think it should be okay. i cannot be sure.
[03:54] <maduser> what kubuntu?
[03:54] <noobest> Dark your not alone, my nvidia old card & just as old moniter has always been the major issue for me too = )
[03:54] <Darkphyre> the nvidia drivers are installed
[03:54] <n000b> im just wondering what the gears on the cd case represent
[03:54] <Jucato> n000b: it's easy to use
[03:54] <Darkphyre> now its my monitor giving problems
[03:54] <robotgeek> tiberius1701: well, i would say let it run its course, unless you are feeling adventourous
[03:54] <Jucato> n000b: the "gear" is part of KDE's official logo
[03:54] <n000b> yes but why Jucato
[03:54] <Jucato> so Kubuntu "inherited" the gear theme from that in its own logo and marketing
[03:55] <tiberius1701> robotgeek: well if your not sure ill just let it keep going, and going, and going
[03:55] <Jucato> n000b: why not?
[03:55] <Darkphyre> anybody know how i can force a resolution in this new Xorg server?
[03:55] <coteyr> just want to ask a quick question (was hoping to see it in the topic) Is anyone else having problems connecting to archive.ubuntu.com
[03:55] <Darkphyre> anybody know how i can force a resolution in this new Xorg server?
[03:55] <n000b> Jucato: why would one choose ubuntu and another person choose kubuntu?
[03:55] <Jucato> !patience | Darkphyre
[03:55] <ubotu> Darkphyre: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[03:55] <tony403> Darkphyre, there's a command line way and should work editing your xorg
[03:55] <Jucato> n000b: personal choice. one may prefer to use GNOME, another may prefer to use KDE
[03:56] <Jucato> !xconfig | Darkphyre
[03:56] <ubotu> Darkphyre: To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type « sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg » - To configure only the driver and resolution, type « sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh » - See also !FixRes
[03:56] <coteyr> it was slow today while I was trying to upgrade (but thats expected) but now I can't get anything
[03:56] <coteyr> mmight just be me though
[03:56] <Darkphyre> i dont need to reconfigure the xserver
[03:56] <n000b> thanks Jucato, are you on yahoo messenger
[03:56] <Jucato> coteyr: expect some slowness in repositories because of the new release
[03:56] <Darkphyre> i need to force the resolution
[03:57] <Darkphyre> and the new xorg reconfiguration script doesnt give you any display options
[03:57] <Darkphyre> they nerfed it
[03:57] <robotgeek> wohoo, torrent downloading at 763.8 KB. Nice
[03:57] <noobest> = ( i cant even find how to enable my restricted 3d acell driver, gutsy gave me the option right away = )
[03:57] <n000b> Jucato
[03:57] <Odd-rationale> With ktorrent, you can right-click on a transfer and select add peers and put an IP address and port. How do I find My IP address and port for torrents for someone esle to add me?
[03:57] <flipstar> can i purge all codec's and reinstall somehow? (got problems with vlc)
[03:57] <Jucato> n000b: no
[03:58] <n000b> jucato: are you on any other messenger?
[03:58] <tiberius1701> wohoo, net upgrade at 20kbs, not nice
[03:58] <Jucato> n000b: not right now
[03:59] <n000b> Jucato: no i just was wondering if i could get your ID for future reference
[03:59] <yago> does anyone have torrent of the dvd kubuntu 8.04?
[03:59] <tony403> Darkphyre, what resolution do you need?
[03:59] <flipstar> Odd-rationale: ip is your ip (ifconfig |grep inet) and port probably 6881 if you didn't changed it
[03:59] <Jucato> n000b: I don't I'm much. you'll most likely find me in IRC more than anywhere
[04:00] <n000b> in what room
[04:00] <rotman> Hi, I just enabled the xkb options and turned on the "right alt is compose" in kcontrol, but now I basicallly lost all the functionality on my fn keys. Is there a way to get those back AND keep the compose key?
[04:00] <p28301016> anyone having problems with archive.ubuntu.com
[04:00] <Jucato> n000b: here
[04:00] <p28301016> it does'nt respond
[04:00] <coteyr_> p28301016; i am
[04:00] <n000b> ok thanks
[04:00] <Odd-rationale> flipstar: even though I'm behind a router? (ifconfig may give my internal ip) or is it my ip when I go to whatismyip.com
[04:00] <coteyr_> p28301016; i am having problems connecting o most ubuntu related things
[04:01] <coteyr_> p28301016; even the irc server was giving me problems as irc.ubuntu.org
[04:01] <n000b> Jucato do you know anything about xubuntu or gobuntu?
[04:01] <flipstar> Odd-rationale: it should give you two ip's .. yes the website of corse shows your ip also
[04:01] <Jucato> n000b: nope
[04:01] <tiberius1701> robotgeek: im not even in the kb/s any more im in the b/s
[04:02] <robotgeek> tiberius1701: ooh, i dunno what all troubles you will have if you break the upgrade in between
[04:02] <ISS_Student> Are the repositores slammed tonight?
[04:03] <Ketrel> ISS_Student: I asked that a moment ago, and the answer was yes :)
[04:03] <tiberius1701> i guess ill just have to let it go
[04:03] <Odd-rationale> flipstar: thanks!
[04:03] <flipstar> robotgeek: tiberius1701 you can break the update during download anytime
[04:03] <ISS_Student> Ketrel thanks
[04:03] <coteyr_> nothing like everyone trying to update at once
[04:03] <tiberius1701> robotgeek: what do you mean
[04:03] <ISS_Student> I'm just trying to install firefox lol
[04:04] <coteyr_> YOu chould be able to break the upgrade if you still in the dl phase
[04:04] <coteyr_> you wall have to do an apt-et -f install later though
[04:04] <trophyhead> to fix my resolution, I just went k-menu, sys sett, mon&display, admin mode, & changed to what resolution I wanted my moniter to be = ) (then apply)
[04:04] <robotgeek> tiberius1701: ^^
[04:04] <n000b> does anyone here know anything about xubuntu?
[04:04] <robotgeek> thanks coteyr_ , i did not think of that. tiberius1701 , if it is still downloading stuff, break it!
[04:05] <coteyr_> andyou wont be able to install anything untill after you finidh the upgrade
[04:05] <Jucato> n000b: there's a #xubuntu channel
[04:05] <kaddy> hi everybody
[04:05] <n000b> thanks
[04:05] <ISS_Student> Guess I won't install any extra packages tonight
[04:05] <Darkphyre> anybody know how i can force a resolution in this new Xorg server?
[04:05] <tiberius1701> flipstar: so you mean i can stop this its at the point of getting new packages
[04:05] <kaddy> hey, does anybody else here have problems downloading from apt. Whenever i try to download, it says "waiting for headers" for like.... 15 mins before the download starts
[04:05] <robotgeek> tiberius1701: yes, as long as it is not installing, you can stop it
[04:05] <coteyr_> sure
[04:06] <coteyr_> as long as al it's doing is downloading
[04:06] <robotgeek> kaddy: the servers are slammed. nothing you can do. wait, and try later
[04:06] <coteyr_> if you stated installing then don't stop it
[04:06] <flipstar> tiberius1701: sure..when you still downloading..yes
[04:06] <kaddy> ah ok robotgeek, i thought the servers might be stuffed at the moment
[04:09] <latitu> some thing fishy is going on.. i upgraded to hardy beta a week a go. and from 2 days ago. adept said iam fully updated. today hardy is released and adept (apt) still saying iam upto date...  ?
[04:10] <mhaz> #kubuntu-us
[04:10] <robotgeek> latitu: you probably cant get updates. or your local mirror has not been updated yet
[04:11] <flipstar> !apt-torrent
[04:11] <ubotu> The idea for using BitTorrent for pushing out updates has been registered here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/apt-torrent
[04:11] <latitu> robotgeek hm. it shows that it is..
[04:11] <ISS_Student> I did a fresh install from RC and yesterday it said I needed 90 updates now it says I am up to date
[04:11] <robotgeek> flipstar: thanks for the link
[04:11] <flipstar> ISS_Student: that's okay
[04:11] <latitu> flipstar what is apt-torrent ?
[04:12] <flipstar> latitu: a apt that download from peers instead a server
[04:12] <ISS_Student> Wonder why they choose not to include firefox in kubuntu by default
[04:13] <gopp> any know if wubi works on a external usb disk
[04:13] <coteyr_> apt-torrecnt sounds great but add it to s3 and woo hoo
[04:13] <robotgeek> $$$, coteyr_
[04:14] <tony403> ISS_Student, because Konqueror is all a part of the kde project
[04:15] <latitu> flipstar $ cat /etc/issue
[04:15] <latitu> Ubuntu 8.04 \n \l
[04:15] <tony403> ISS_Student, and still a great browser in it's own right
[04:17] <flipstar> latitu: ?
[04:18] <flipstar> $ pastebinit /etc/issue > http://pastebin.com/f3ca38411
[04:18] <fildo> so buggy gutsy
[04:18] <latitu> flatface i think that shows i am on hardy final
[04:18] <fildo> fresh install , and i have to fix so many things
[04:18] <latitu> ?
[04:19] <flipstar> latitu: it says nothing about final..but who doubt it ?
[04:22] <latitu> flipstar if it was beta. it would say dev version?
[04:22] <Jucato> it would say "Development branch" iirc
[04:22]  * robotgeek crosses fingers, upgrades
[04:26] <seebs> So, I have upgraded to 8.04, and I have two mysteries left that I can't figure out.  The first is that the nvidia binary driver (their version, not the package) does not get loaded correctly.  If I rmmod and insmod it, it starts working.  I can't find a different nvidia.ko that could be getting loaded, though.
[04:28] <robotgeek> alrite, later
[04:28] <TeslaTony> seebs: The way I got my nvidia driver working is I tried enabling desktop effects, and it got enabled for me
[04:28] <fildo> !sound
[04:28] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[04:29] <fildo> !cpu
[04:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cpu - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:29] <fildo> !cpuscaling
[04:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cpuscaling - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:30] <seebs> Actually, looking at it, I think I found that one.
[04:31] <seebs> I think lrm-manager has been copying-in/loading the "restricted" versions, and doing so ... Ah-hah!  Yup.  Before the regular modules file processing.
[04:31] <seebs> So disabling 'nv' in that file fixed the problem.
[04:32] <seebs> Okay, that leaves me with the one that I'm being driven nutty by.  I have a USB programmable keypad which has both regular number keys and a numeric keypad, which generate distinct keysyms.  This worked under 7.10 on the same machine, and no longer works under 8.04.
[04:32] <seebs> Now, I get all sorts of things like keypad_insert, keypad_left, etc. instead of the numbers.  It seems very much as though numlock isn't getting applied to this device, but I don't know enough about numlock and KDE to sort out why.
[04:34] <kaddy> hey anybody know if their was any updates available once hardy stable came out. I have the RC version, and i havn't seen any updates since stable has been released last nite
[04:35] <flipstar> kaddy: thats normal
[04:36] <kaddy> yer? how so? i thought there would be some final updates to fix a few bugs
[04:36] <flipstar> so what do i need to install to get pulse working .. 'pulseaudio' ?
[04:36] <flipstar> kaddy: there where updates before the actual iso release
[04:37] <TeslaTony> Didn't 8.04 get frozen something like a week ago, with updates/changes only if something serious was found?
[04:37] <kaddy> hmm. yer i guess.
[04:38] <calcmandan> Running 7.10.  If I altered the repositories to reflect hardy, would it simply update?
[04:38] <flipstar> calcmandan: just use the update-manager
[04:39] <dope> are software downloads for anyone else going extremely slow?
[04:39] <flipstar> !slow
[04:39] <ubotu> The Ubuntu repositories and ISO mirrors are currently under heavy load due to the release of the latest edition. Please consider using !torrents to download ISO images, and be patient with APT updates.
[04:39] <kaddy> yes
[04:39] <calcmandan> flipstar: you mean as in adept?
[04:39]  * Elda torrented her image \o/
[04:39] <flipstar> calcmandan: nope there is a program called 'update-manager'
[04:40] <Elda> Though how would I made the manager update itself so that I can try installing the codecs?
[04:40] <flipstar> calcmandan: it's made for distro upgrading..
[04:40] <calcmandan> flipstar: sounds simple enough. getting it under apt. thanks.
[04:40] <calcmandan> flipstar: looks to be a plug for synaptic. is that right?
[04:41] <flipstar> it uses synaptic if you mean this
[04:42] <calcmandan> thought so.  another subject, I read somewhere a week agothat 8.04 won't have LTS. Is that only for kubuntu? because everyone is parading about it being a LTS but I see none of that talk on the kubuntu site.
[04:42] <flipstar> right gnome is lts..kde not
[04:43] <seebs> Ahh, just needed to add NumLock=On in kdmrc.  Setting it through the UI didn't work.
[04:43] <calcmandan> fliptstar: well that just blows.  well, if one were to get alternate it's not Lts.
[04:43] <Elda> I tried to install the codec thing, and I got this message :s  How do I the package manager :s Package libxine1-ffmpeg is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Package libxine1-ffmpeg has no installation candidate
[04:47] <flipstar> i get [pulse] Failed to connect to server: Connection refused .. any hints ?
[04:47] <seebs> Huh.  Now my kde4 is busted; the launcher doesn't come up or anything.
[04:49] <kaddy> kubuntu is getting jibbed in a way. ubuntu need to stop treating kubuntu like a little brother  and make it equal
[04:49] <Elda> o,O?
[04:50] <tony403> i wish gnome and kde would collaborate. simplicity of gnome but with all the config options when needed
[04:52] <calcmandan> /agree -> tony403
[04:53] <Expecto> this is a really dumb question: I installed the beta for hardy a few weeks back.  Do i need to do anything to use the final release?
[04:53] <bailey> Does anyone have a torrent for the 8.04 remix iso for i386? I seem to be having problems locating it...
[04:53] <kaddy> yer. i must say, i think gnome is better integrated than kde, but i just hate the gnome look.
[04:53] <Expecto> or will adept just do its thing
[04:53] <Ketrel> What happened to ksynaptics?
[04:54] <kaddy> just keep it upto date and it will be updated to the current release Expecto
[04:54] <Ketrel> It doesn't seem to be in the repositories in hardy
[04:54] <Expecto> thanks kaddy
[04:54] <Jucato> kaddy: that's funny... because that's the first time I've heard that (usually they say KDE is more integrated)
[04:54] <ISS_Student> join #ubuntu-release-party
[04:54] <Jucato> unless you mean GNOME *in* Ubuntu... that's just one distro though...
[04:54] <flipstar> huge problems with services..any hints ? http://pastebin.com/d708877bd
[04:55] <flipstar> the services just won't show up
[04:59] <flipstar> bbl
[04:59] <bailey> nmind... i'm an idiot. the germans have the kde4 isos...  http://ubuntu.etherkiller.de/kubuntu-kde4/
[05:00] <kaddy> jucato: well, Gnome in ubuntu is very very good, as so with fedora in my opinion, i havn't really tried many other gnome distro's besides mint/pclinuxos.... gnome seems to me to be better integrated, because everything just "works" no problems. But i prefer Kde cause i think it looks better, has alot more options to play with, and has a bright future with kde4. just my opinion anyways.
[05:00] <kaddy> KDE still "works" but sometimes you might have to mess around a bit more to get something to work
[05:01] <Elda> I guess I got lucky lol in that I torrented this morning (before it was up on the front page) xD
[05:01] <elmaxx> hello all
[05:01] <calcmandan> the office is on.  brb
[05:01] <Elda> Hello o/
[05:02] <elmaxx> need help updating to 8.04... my local repositories i think are dying under stress :/
[05:02] <Elda> Never thought it would be possible but so far KDE does everything out of the box in terms of the basic settings
[05:03] <kaddy> i was actually impressed with kubuntu automatically detecting my 2nd hard drive and edited grub automatically to detect my partitions. that was great. i have to manually edit grub with most other distro's
[05:03] <Elda> This seems to be a "release day thing" :x
[05:03] <Ketrel> Anyone know on the ksynaptics thing or if not, what's the best alternative?
[05:03] <yago> does anyone have the torrent for dvd kubntu 8.04?
[05:03] <sap> Hi, while using k3b for burning I had enabled "verify data"  but it ejected the disc soon after writing the data .  Now can I verify the written data separately ?
[05:04] <elmaxx> do you know how i can change the repository to another site temporarily?
[05:04] <Elda> no idea :s
[05:04]  * Elda is using KDE for the first time
[05:05] <Elda> Yago... there is a dvd version of Kubuntu? :x
[05:05] <kaddy> i havn't seen a dvd version out yet :s
[05:06] <Elda> I just ended up looking through the stuff at around 5 or so this morning and left the torrent doing it's thing hehe
[05:06] <sap> this is weird the k3b knew it had to verify the data but still it ejected ...lol
[05:06] <Elda> Noticed the "KDE remix" and went with it xD
[05:06] <kaddy> elmaxx: are you not able to update through apt?
[05:06] <jords> sap: yep it ejects and then takes the cd back in to verify
[05:06] <Elda> elmaxx you will have to try multiple times
[05:06] <sap> jords, nope it didnt take the dvd back . just ejected
[05:07] <jords> means you can be more sure everything is right with the cd i soppose
[05:07] <Elda> Many people on the repositories, and their tiny brains cant handle it so it will get stuck at times
[05:07] <sap> now the Verify thing is left alone ...lol
[05:07] <kaddy> the server is getting overloaded at the moment. lol, just try and leave it updating/installing.. it will retrieve the updates eventually. :)
[05:07] <Elda> Tiny brains refrring to the brains of the repositories, not the users ;)
[05:08] <elmaxx> kaddy: connection to the repositories in guatemala are very slow
[05:09] <elmaxx> i wouldnt mind changing the file temporarily to a new location
[05:09] <kaddy> yeah, im in Australia and it is very slow too
[05:09] <elmaxx> thanks kaddy, i thought it was just me x.x
[05:09] <dave11> Is there any way to put holidays in Kontact(except for manually)?
[05:10] <elmaxx> been trying this for hours
[05:10] <kaddy> haha, nah your not alone. everyone is affected at the moment
[05:10] <bailey> For those that are interested, here's a link to the i386 kde4 8.04 remix...  http://se.cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/releases/8.04/release/kubuntu-kde4-8.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[05:10] <kaddy> just keep trying. and leave it to update. it will eventually
[05:10] <kaddy> its just a tempory problem with the server
[05:11] <dc> hello
[05:11] <yago> Elda: Yes, but I think the server is busy, because if you want to download the torrent, it doesn't let you,
[05:11] <dc> can anyone tell me how to turn usb headphones on in gutsy 7.10
[05:11] <yago> by this reason I wish that someone send me the torrent
[05:12] <yago> oh, my good!
[05:12] <yago> I just get it!
[05:12] <yago> lol
[05:13] <kaddy> dc: have you opened up kmix and ensured all volumes are turned up and enabled?
[05:13] <neon> my laptop lcd is too dark after installing ubuntu hardy, i installed the nvidia driver and still very darl adjusting settings thru the nvidia panel makes it looks brighter but it does not look good , i remember there been some commands one can issue to lighten the screen brightness, can anyone refresh my memory on what those commands are, thanks
[05:14] <dc> yes
[05:15] <dave11> !kontact
[05:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kontact - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:15] <dave11> wow
[05:15] <kaddy> dc: ok... so when you open it up, there is a box on the right hand side that lets you pick the options for your particular usb headset? i assume
[05:16] <dc> i changed from intel to usb audio
[05:16] <dc> but still no sound
[05:16] <dave11> no kontact entry...uhh
[05:18] <dc> isn't there some app i can run like windows. the light is on and the card is noticed by aplay -l
[05:18] <kaddy> dc: ok... im gonna get you to do something rather odd, but it worked for me with my usb mic, and didn't work with kmix
[05:18] <dc> but still no sound, intel is the primary
[05:18] <dc> what's thtat
[05:18] <dc> download different mixer?
[05:19] <kaddy> dc: i want you to go into your package manager, and download    gnome alsa mixer
[05:19] <kaddy> yes
[05:20] <kaddy> i don't know why, but sometimes, this fixes the problem
[05:21] <dc> didnt' see under restricted. so changing repos...
[05:22] <dc> also adept update want's to install 180 upgrades but last time i did the system crashed
[05:22] <dc> what should i do about the upgrades i need
[05:22] <Kurtis[Away]> Adept tends to crash a lot for me...
[05:22] <^V^> Hi, the upgrade to 8.04 from 7.10 did not work properly for me. The boot menu has not been updated to 8.04 entries and
[05:23] <^V^> I cant load into KDE
[05:23] <^V^> I used the alternate CD upgrade mentod
[05:23] <^V^> method*
[05:24] <dc> i like the program but it crashes WAY too much
[05:24] <kaddy> dc: you should be able to search and install a single program.... without updating everything as far as i am aware
[05:24] <^V^> I saw the X cursor flash on screen a couple of times very briefly but now I'm just stuck in the command line
[05:24] <dc> have to set up everything every time it crashes
[05:24] <Kurtis-> I successfully installed 8.04, and apparently my wireless device is supported according to http://linuxwireless.sipsolutions.net/en/users/Drivers/b43#supported , but it mentions "needs patches for 2.6.24" beside my hardware, bcm4311 rev 2
[05:25] <Kurtis-> dc: I use Synaptic myself
[05:25] <Kurtis-> I downloaded Windows drivers and tried ndiswrapper, but since it's still not working.
[05:27] <dc> won't let me re-open adept how do i kill the app
[05:27] <Kurtis-> try killing it from ksysguard (launched as root)
[05:27] <kaddy> yer
[05:28] <dc> it finally loaded thank
[05:28] <dc> s
[05:29] <^V^> the KDM log says that it failed to initialize the nvidia module
[05:29] <dc> ah was wondering where that manager was
[05:30] <^V^> Isn't that something that Bulletproof X was supposed to prevent?
[05:30] <^V^> as in give me a graphical interface instead of shell?
[05:30] <dc> installing synaptic not found in adept
[05:31] <dc> going SSOOOO slow
[05:31] <dc> when installing it only partitioned a root and swap could this be the reason
[05:31] <dc> for the slownes
[05:31] <dc> s
[05:32] <kaddy> the servers are being overloaded at the moment. thats why its slow. everybody is having this problem
[05:32] <Elda> for KDE what is a good player which will play streaming music?
[05:32] <dc> ah
[05:32] <Elda> I used amarok on 7.04/gnome :s
[05:32] <dc> package upgrade messing everybody up
[05:33] <Elda> JuK wont let me play that
[05:33] <dc> version
[05:33] <kaddy> amarok is king :)
[05:33] <Elda> Will amarok work in KDE?
[05:33] <kaddy> ofcoarse. it is a KDE app
[05:33] <Kurtis-> amarok is a KDE program
[05:33] <Elda> o,O
[05:33] <Elda> weee
[05:34] <kaddy> gnome apps and kde apps work in both desktop environments
[05:34] <kaddy> they are cross compatible
[05:34] <Elda> ah
[05:34] <Elda> <3 Ubuntu/Kubuntu
[05:34] <Kurtis-> well, not quite, since you need both qt and gtk installed
[05:34] <Elda> The more I use it the more I am coming to love it, hehe
[05:35] <Elda> And I am pleased as punch with 8.04
[05:35] <kaddy> well.. i havn't come across an app yet, that doesn't work in gnome and kde. their might be some, but rare
[05:35] <Kurtis-> Well, that's not what I was saying
[05:35] <dc> finally found it, install?
[05:35] <kaddy> dc: what is it called?
[05:35] <Elda> Adept is going a tad bit slow.  But that's because tons of people are hammering down on it trying to get their stuff up to date and shiny hehe
[05:36] <Kurtis-> you just have to have parts of gnome installed if you want to launch a gnome app in KDE
[05:36] <dc> gnome alsa mixer
[05:36] <kaddy> yeah get that, and any other gnome volume manager you come across
[05:36] <kaddy> give it a shot
[05:36] <Elda> Though I'm curious, how can I tell if it is actually running the restricted drivers for my go 7900 gtx?
[05:37] <dc> should i re-partition this is too slow
[05:37] <dc> surely the server isn't this slow
[05:37] <Kurtis-> it's nothing to do with your partitions
[05:38] <Kurtis-> the server really is that slow
[05:38] <Kurtis-> for everyone
[05:38] <dc> ouch
[05:38] <Kurtis-> wasn't last night
[05:38] <dc> still on 1 of 27
[05:38] <Elda> LoL because last night
[05:38] <dc> gonna take all night
[05:38] <Kurtis-> but then again, 8.04 wasn't released
[05:38] <Elda> 8.04 wasnt out!!!
[05:38] <dc> 8.04 ruined my kubuntu
[05:38] <Elda> It was up at around 5 or so AM and the front page was updated at 9 or so
[05:39] <kaddy> the servers are getting hammered at the moment. thats why its so slow. its been on and off for the last couple days that i've noticed
[05:39] <Elda> 8.04 has made my day
[05:39] <Elda> It has by far been my best install EVER :s
[05:39] <dc> what would i do after this step. i think i can get on with out for now
[05:40] <dc> system crashed twice trying to upgrade drivers
[05:40] <Elda> It has by far been my best install EVER :s
[05:40] <Elda> Waiting on repositories is a bit slow but oh well
[05:40] <Elda> Trying to update my nvidia stuff now hehe
[05:40] <Elda> waiting for headers ~
[05:41] <kaddy> dc: you have the gnome alsa mixer now?
[05:41] <dc> still on 1 of 27
[05:41] <dc> doesn't look like it's going anywhere soon
[05:41] <dc> ah nevermind
[05:41] <dc> just started
[05:41] <kaddy> ah ok. just leave it. might take upto 15 mins. lol.
[05:42] <kaddy> another few days and i don't think the server will be a problem.
[05:42] <dc> installed now
[05:42] <kaddy> ok. go through it, make sure everything is enabled and the volumes are all turned right up
[05:43] <dc> okay
[05:44] <kaddy> try your headset now, and lemme know if it works
[05:44] <neon> my laptop lcd is too dark after installing ubuntu hardy, i installed the nvidia driver and still very darl adjusting settings thru the nvidia panel makes it looks brighter but it does not look good , i remember there been some commands one can issue to lighten the screen brightness, can anyone refresh my memory on what those commands are, thanks
[05:45] <dc> still nothing. could it be because i'm using firefo
[05:45] <dc> x
[05:46] <dc> i closed kmix
[05:46] <kaddy> no that wouldn't stop it from working
[05:47] <Elda> Yeay!
[05:47] <Elda> Its updating my driver now
[05:47] <kaddy> but you get sound through your computer speakers when your not using the headset?
[05:47] <dc> my internal card is broken. anyway i can permanently disable
[05:47] <dc> only have usb audio
[05:48] <Elda> Time to do let reboot... brb <#
[05:48] <Elda> <3
[05:49] <kaddy> maybe try rebooting and going into your bios settings and making sure onboard usb devices are set to enable
[05:49] <dc> it show under aplay -l
[05:49] <dc> just not primary position
[05:49] <dc> any way to turn both on
[05:50] <dc> or one off
[05:54] <dc> installing all alsa files
[05:54] <Elda> Tbh, I didn't think that Ubuntu would ever support this laptop so completley hehe
[05:55] <kaddy> are you using ubuntu, or kubuntu ;)
[05:56] <kaddy> elda
[05:56] <Elda> Kubuntu... but its the same code underneath the hood no?
[05:56] <Elda> other than the gui
[05:56] <dc> kubuntu
[05:57] <dc> found one conf file in synaptic that wasn't in adept that says will allow two soundcards
[05:58] <DarkShinigami> What app do I have to write in C++?
[05:59] <^V^> notepad
[05:59] <^V^> C++ is just plain text
[05:59] <^V^> you will need to compile it though into an executable
[05:59] <^V^> vim is a good choice
[05:59] <^V^> or emacs
[06:01] <stdin> or kate
[06:01] <stdin> or nano
[06:01] <^V^> true, but those aren't great for code ;)
[06:02] <stdin> ^V^: why not, kate has syntax highlighting, code folding and auto-indent?
[06:02] <stdin> nano has syntax highlighting
[06:02] <kaddy> Elda: yer pretty much
[06:02] <^V^> I'm not saying you *can't* use those, but I prefer the power of vim ;)
[06:03] <stdin> ^V^: what's vim got that kate hasn't? (curious)
[06:04] <^V^> you can customise it like you wouldn't beleive :)
[06:04] <stdin> kate's a KDE app, you can customise it ;)
[06:04] <^V^> stdin: http://www.vim.org/tips/index.php
[06:04] <^V^> I don't mean the GUI
[06:04] <stdin> the short cuts too
[06:04] <stdin> and use sed-like replacement
[06:05] <DarkShinigami> I have VIM installed, but Katapult won't launch it
[06:05] <stdin> DarkestHour: vim is command line
[06:06] <^V^> stdin: if you're happy with it, I'm not going to try and convert you :p
[06:06] <DarkShinigami> stdin: Ok
[06:06] <Elda> I am curious though, how do I add the different items I've installed to the little sub menus?
[06:07] <Elda> As in adding amarok to the multimedia stuff, and koversation/firefox to the internet tab
[06:08] <Elda> nm
[06:08] <Elda> Its in there now o,O
[06:08] <DarkShinigami> How do I get out of vim?
[06:08] <Jucato> DarkShinigami: :q
[06:08] <Jucato> type ":" then "q" then press Enter
[06:09] <Elda> gedit > vim >.>
[06:09] <sigma_1234> what would happen if i install gutsy packages in hardy?
[06:09] <DarkShinigami> Jucato: I am. Doesn't work :(
[06:09] <Jucato> kate/kwrite > gedt :P
[06:09] <Jucato> !doesntwork
[06:09] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[06:09] <^V^> press <ESC>
[06:09] <Elda> kate is fun but it gives me an odd message
[06:10] <eddieftw> :wq! to save. or shift+s+s twice real quick to quick save and exit if I recall correctly
[06:10] <Jucato> DarkShinigami: ^V^ might be right. you might have to press Esc to get into the "command" mode
[06:10] <Elda> when I run it, and close the document I edited/viewed with kate it says some odd message about not finding kate
[06:10] <Elda> After Ive already used it, lol
[06:10] <^V^> DarkShinigami: <ESC> : q
[06:10] <DarkShinigami> ESC > :q!
[06:11] <Jucato> DarkShinigami: :q! will not save any changes you made
[06:11] <DarkShinigami> Jucato: I know. I didn't make any changes. I was just getting a feel for it
[06:11] <DarkShinigami> How would I compile?
[06:11] <^V^> using the compiler
[06:11] <^V^> gcc
[06:11] <Jucato> !compile | DarkShinigami
[06:11] <ubotu> DarkShinigami: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[06:11] <^V^> or g++ for c++
[06:11] <stdin> install build-essential
[06:12] <DarkShinigami> I have build-essential installed
[06:12] <^V^> type g++ in a shell
[06:12] <Jucato> and what are you trying to compile?
[06:12] <stdin> then use "g++ filename.cpp" and it'll create "a.out"
[06:12] <dc> ahahhhahaha
[06:13] <dc> sound card still not recognizing usb audio
[06:13] <dc> for index 0 its intel sound card broken
[06:13] <dc> usb index 1
[06:13] <dc> no sound
[06:14] <DarkShinigami> Jucato: Nothing specifically. I'm going to take a C++ class. Thought I'd get a head start before the Fall term
[06:14] <^V^> make a simple int main() { return 0; } program and try it
[06:15] <Jucato> ah... I might have seen some "C++ using GNU C++" around the intarwebs...
[06:15] <Widget_> anyone here downloaded the latest kubuntu with kde4 from internode site?
[06:15] <Ketrel> Anyone know why ksynaptics isn't in the repositories in Hardy or if not, what's the best alternative?
[06:16] <dc> what package controls audio device priority
[06:16] <dc> or service
[06:16] <dc> please... looked everywhere haven't been able to find correct one after crash
[06:19] <dc> are there any metadata packages for kde and kubuntu 7.10 for audio control maybe usb
[06:19] <vrivero> hola a todos!!!!!!!!!
[06:19] <dc> i know of kdemultimedia
[06:20] <dc> would that recognize usb device as primary
[06:22] <Condad> I just went to use my son's computer and he has seeming pirated your software. I certainly didn't give him any money to buy any new software. I'm worried about what might happen. If I paid now, would I be able to prevent him from getting arrested?
[06:23] <kaddy> what the
[06:23] <Daisuke_Ido> Condad, this software is free
[06:23] <Daisuke_Ido> as in no-strings-attached, he isn't going to get in trouble
[06:23] <Condad> Free? I'm talkign about the actual whole system, not just a single program.
[06:24] <kaddy> lol.
[06:24] <Daisuke_Ido> yep
[06:24] <Daisuke_Ido> the whole thing
[06:25] <Condad> Daisuke_Ido, are you serious?
[06:25] <Daisuke_Ido> as a heart attack
[06:25] <kaddy> haha. your not taking the piss?
[06:25] <Condad> Ok, I think I need to unpunish him then.
[06:31] <DarkShinigami> Wow
[06:32] <Daisuke_Ido> i don't know if that was for real or not, but it can't hurt to foster goodwill :)
[06:32] <DarkShinigami> I just looked away to read something about C++ and read Condad's msg
[06:32] <DarkShinigami> $10 (or whatever your local currency may be) that it will be in bash.org
[06:34] <Daisuke_Ido> nah, if he was going for bash he would have been a lot more panicky
[06:34]  * stdin notes that was probably not real
[06:35] <stdin> * Ketrel (n=hackertr@156.12.154.149) has left #kubuntu * Condad (n=hackertr@156.12.154.149) has joined #kubuntu
[06:35] <Daisuke_Ido> ah...
[06:35] <DarkShinigami> True, but the subtle part is that he never searched online first. Why IRC first?
[06:35] <Daisuke_Ido> DarkShinigami, i wondered that myself
[06:36] <Daisuke_Ido> but like i said, it doesn't hurt to be nice
[06:36] <Daisuke_Ido> even if they are having fun
[06:36] <DarkShinigami> It's not about that. There is just too much (or too little) for it too be "real"
[06:36] <Jucato> stdin: real or not, it was amusing :)
[06:36] <DarkShinigami> The way I see it, if you're smart enough to know IRC, you should what about a "thing" called Linux
[06:37] <stdin> Jucato: never said it wasn't ;)
[06:37] <DarkShinigami> Whoa... grammatical train wreck
[06:37] <Jucato> DarkShinigami: indeed :P
[06:37] <DarkShinigami> ***You should KNOW about a "thing" called Linux
[06:37] <DarkShinigami> The sad part...
[06:37] <woootman> !ghost
[06:37] <ubotu> On IRC, if you own a nick that is currently being used, you can make it quit by typing: /msg nickserv GHOST <username> <password>
[06:38] <DarkShinigami> I am on live chat at work. It's what I do
[06:38] <DarkShinigami> :(
[06:40] <DarkShinigami> On a lighter side, I talked to my supervisor today about having Linux (specifically Kubuntu) used at work. "It would run smoother than the thin clients we have running now. If live chat can work under WINE, I think we can make this work.
[06:41] <bittin> use im
[06:41] <bittin> or whats live chat?
[06:41] <maduser> kopote?
[06:42] <DarkShinigami> Kopete with many people at once
[06:42] <DarkShinigami> Or
[06:42] <bittin> kopete*
[06:42] <DarkShinigami> IRC with PMs
[06:42] <DarkShinigami> Many PMs
[06:43] <pe2w> hey having problems getting direct rendering working
[06:43] <pe2w> heres my xorg
[06:43] <pe2w> http://rafb.net/p/MHG8QI58.html
[06:43] <bittin> or jabber chatroom
[06:44] <DarkShinigami> I want to implement IRC at work where the reps can only go into one server/channel and can only PM admins (supervisors)
[06:49] <DarkShinigami> Change of topic...
[06:49] <DarkShinigami> Why wouldn't all folders be displayed from a CD in Kubuntu 7.10?
[06:49] <maduser> ...........
[06:49] <maduser> 7.10
[06:49] <maduser> ?
[06:50] <Daisuke_Ido> yes maduser, some of us are waiting to upgrade
[06:50] <maduser> well I wish I could help yeah
[06:50] <maduser> well I went to the canadians site
[06:50] <maduser> and got my upgrade pretty fast
[06:50] <maduser> but download the altenate cd for the upgrade
[06:51] <maduser> it will reduce chances of a mess up
[06:51] <Leeuw> is there a way to have logging in Kopete ?
[06:51] <Lynoure> I'm already on hardy, I have been for a month or so :)
[06:51] <maduser> the beta
[06:52] <maduser> yeah I guess thats ture
[06:52] <rjb> hi, my upgrade was interrupted while still d/l'ing packages because of network problems
[06:53] <rjb> and now it seems i can't restart it
[06:53] <rjb> what's the Right Way?
[06:53] <maduser> get the cd
[06:53] <maduser> do the upgrade over the cd
[06:53] <rjb> why does that make a difference?
[06:53] <maduser> no chance of network problems
[06:53] <rjb> (my cd burner is broken)
[06:54] <elmaxx> sort of having problems with the cd update myself...
[06:55] <elmaxx> it asks to download some updates... but the servers gotta be choking
[06:55] <elmaxx> when i selected the option to not update... it gave me an error with a list of packages not validated or similar... which included apache2, postfix, and other services i use x.x
[06:56] <elmaxx> so still doing the cd update + new packages, and hope it finishes :/
[06:56] <rjb> now when i restart the upgrade tool from adept, it runs for a while and then gets killed b/c of running out of memory
[06:56] <maduser> I didn't do the new packages
[06:57] <Fleck> Leeuw kopete does logging by default afaik
[06:58] <Leeuw> Fleck: where do I find the logs then, and how can I have text from last chat in the window (like pidgin) ?
[06:59] <Fleck> Leeuw ~/.kde/share/apps/kopete/logs
[07:00] <Fleck> about last texts... dunno
[07:00] <Leeuw> Fleck: thanx; any idea why it' s not in the menu ?
[07:00] <Elda> Night all, and thansk for the help :)
[07:00] <Fleck> Leeuw nope
[07:01] <DarkShinigami> Leeuw: You have to add it
[07:01] <Jucato> Leeuw: First, Settings -> Configure Plugins -> Make sure the History plugin is enabled.
[07:01] <DarkShinigami> Leeuw: Jucato beat me to it. That's what you have to do
[07:01] <Jucato> Leeuw: next, to see the history, right-click on the contact and select View History
[07:01] <Fleck> ;)
[07:02] <Leeuw> Fleck: Jucato I' ll go try...   where' s plugins, also in settings ?
[07:02] <Jucato> yep
[07:02] <Leeuw> Jucato: yeah, gottit
[07:04] <Leeuw> Jucato: Fleck , gottit, works; there' s also function show chat history in new chats, that does the job entirely... thanx !
[07:11] <chaotician> Hi
[07:11] <maduser> hi running the 8.04?
[07:11] <chaotician> I am
[07:11] <chaotician> I just installed and closed the restriced driver manager
[07:12] <chaotician> any idea where it lives now?
[07:12] <Daisuke_Ido> system settings > advanced ?
[07:12] <chaotician> apparently not
[07:12] <Daisuke_Ido> hrmm
[07:13] <chaotician> rather confusing really
[07:18] <kevman> I'm having major issues with synergy. It just randomly stops working for 2-3 seconds at a time every 15 seconds or so.
[07:21] <Widget_> what's the size of kubuntu 8 image ?
[07:21] <DarkShinigami> Thank you all for your help. I'm going to start writing some C++ apps and hope I don't end up causing havoc
[07:24] <elmaxx> Widget: the alt CD image is about 690 megs big
[07:26] <matthew_> Can you just do a "sudo apt-get install libboost-*"   -- use a wild card?
[07:29] <chaotician> matthew_ is that aimed at me?
[07:32] <chaotician> matthew_: is that aimed at me?
[07:40] <dmitry_> а чё все молчат?
[07:40] <ds187> !ru | dmitry_
[07:40] <ubotu> dmitry_: Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[07:41] <chaotician> does anyone know how to start the restricted driver manager from the commandline by any chance?
[07:42] <Jucato> chaotician:  it might be "restricted-manager-kde"
[07:43] <chaotician> jucato: cheers, but nope that doesn't work
[07:44] <Jucato> chaotician: how doesn't it work? no such command?
[07:45] <chaotician> jucato: command not found
[07:45] <Jucato> kde-restricted-manager
[07:45] <Jucato> ?
[07:46] <chaotician> jucato: same result
[07:48] <chaotician> jucato: k-menu>system>hardware driver manager!!
[07:48] <chaotician> d'oh
[07:48] <Jucato> (shouldn't be there.. but ok..)
[07:48] <chaotician> jucato: thanks for your help
[07:48] <Jucato> chaotician: you did install restricted-manager-kde right?
[07:49] <chaotician> jucato: I did the entire update and when I didn't find the restricted driver manage where it was I  was a little miffed
[07:50] <Jucato> it's supposed to be in System Settings -> Advanced tab... sure the "restricted-manager-kde" is the one installed? (there's one, but for gnome)
[07:50] <chaotician> I know
[07:51] <chaotician> it's been moved
[07:51] <chaotician> right I gotta restart
[07:54] <malakiastar> saludos
[07:54] <drayen> question : Dolphin, is there any way to set the size of the columns ? its driving me nuts !
[08:05] <rjb> well, upgrade failed in the middle.. switching to manual mode (aptitude dist-upgrade), with fingers crossed
[08:10] <bloedsinn> Hi, anyone know where I can download Kubuntu KDE 4 Remix? The links provided at http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php don't work.
[08:10] <cham_eleon> any ideas why my ide hdd isn't recognized by the hardy kernel? my sata devices are working.
[08:11] <jussio1> !torrent
[08:11] <ubotu> Torrent clients: Transmission (GTK and terminal-based), Deluge-Torrent, Freeloader, BitStormLite, BitTornado-GUI (GTK), KTorrent (KDE), QTorrent (Qt), Azureus (Java), TorrentFlux (web-based), bittornado, rTorrent, cTorrent, bittorrent, aria2 (terminal-based) - FAQ: http://www.bittorrent.com/FAQ.html - See also !P2P
[08:11] <jussio1> !torrents
[08:11] <ubotu> Kubuntu Hardy Heron (8.04) torrents can be obtained at http://se.cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/8.04/release/ (KDE 3.5.9) or http://se.cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/releases/8.04/release/ (KDE 4.0.3)
[08:11] <jussio1> bloedsinn: ^
[08:13] <bloedsinn> thanks
[08:19] <sigma> i used to be able to install kubuntu fine but now i get this error - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=354165
[08:19] <sigma> when trying to run the livecd
[08:20] <ForsakenSoul> what was the command to change the permissions to a folder so every user can use and change it ?
[08:20] <darryl> is it possible to compile lmms with kunbuntu 8.04 on a amd64?
[08:21] <darryl> err lmms with vst support
[08:21] <ubuntu> hello
[08:22] <ubuntu> I can t restart my kubuntu anymore
[08:22] <darryl> there is a lmms package but it doesn't have vst support in it
[08:22] <bwayne> ForsakenSoul:  i can't recall how to do it for every user.  but I think "sudo chmod -R a+rw /dir" should do it.
[08:22] <sigma> well this sucks. looks like i cant install hardy
[08:22] <ubuntu> I have this message Could not start kstartupconfig
[08:22] <sigma> worked fine on the laptop though
[08:23] <darryl> i have hardy up and running fine on my laptop, i'm on it now though i upgraded from 7.10
[08:23] <ForsakenSoul> bwayne well ... I've copied a folder from my linux to my win .... and it can't open in win ... I need to make the permissions so I can open it in win ... if you know how I can do that ...
[08:24] <darryl> ForsakenSoul there is a driver out for windows that lets you access ext3 partitions
[08:24] <ubuntu> someone can help
[08:24] <darryl> i forget the name but i know it works
[08:24] <darryl> ubuntu, did you install from cd?
[08:24] <ubuntu> ?
[08:25] <bwayne> ForsakenSoul:  be sure to change the permissions on the folder and then copy it over using a regular user.  don't copy it over using root.
[08:25] <ForsakenSoul> darryl .. can you point me to a name or a link where I can find that folder
[08:25] <ubuntu> darryl: the system worked sine several month
[08:25] <darryl> sure let me look it up
[08:26] <ubuntu> * since
[08:26] <darryl> http://www.diskinternals.com/linux-reader/
[08:26] <darryl> ubuntu, have you upgraded it recently?
[08:27] <rjb> invoke-rc.d: initscript dbus, action "force-reload" failed.
[08:27] <rjb> uh-oh, sounds unencouraging
[08:27] <darryl> anyone know how to change how to change the default libstc++ for compiling? i'm on a amd64 but i need to use the 32bit library for a certain program
[08:28] <ubuntu> darryl: yes I attempt a distri-update this evening
[08:28] <darryl> ubuntu you could try downloading the cd and updating that way, or did you do it through the adept manager?
[08:29] <rjb> hmm all packages seem to be successfully upgraded, except for smartmontools which appears to be broken
[08:29] <ubuntu> through the adept manager
[08:29] <ubuntu> but I stopped it
[08:29] <darryl> ubuntu thats probably the prolem
[08:29] <ubuntu> it was to long
[08:29] <darryl> you need to finish it
[08:30] <ubuntu> darryl: how ?
[08:30] <darryl> if you have a half upgraded system its no wonder why it won't work
[08:30] <darryl> download the cd
[08:30] <darryl> burn it and try upgrading that way
[08:30] <ubuntu> I have only one pc
[08:31] <darryl> are you on that pc now?
[08:31] <ubuntu> yes
[08:31] <ubuntu> on a liveCD
[08:31] <latitu> i have hp deskjet 3900 printer. how can i see ink levels and have some advanced configs and printing quality levels . like in windows?
[08:31] <darryl> ubuntu: when you go to boot kubuntu does it give you 2 kernel options?
[08:32] <ubuntu> darryl: I have lost all my data ?
[08:32] <darryl> you could try booting into the older kernel
[08:32] <rjb> ok, will attempt a reboot now
[08:32] <darryl> no not neccesarily
[08:32] <ubuntu> can I made the update in recovery mode M
[08:32] <ubuntu> ?
[08:33] <pascalFR> ubuntu: yes
[08:33] <pascalFR> apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:33] <pascalFR> if your system still works in shell mode
[08:34] <ubuntu> so online ?
[08:34] <ubuntu> ok
[08:34] <JackWinter> anyone care to tell me how to configure the audio in kde, amarok, and second life ?  is it possible to have all of them accessing the same device ?  I have 2 soundcards in my system.  1 rme multiface which i use with wineasio from wine.  works ok.  have another onboard intel chip, which i would like all other progs to use.  i think amarok normally uses this one, except that sometimes it can't access the device, kde and sl seem to use the rme card..?
[08:35] <ubuntu> ok I reboot and test
[08:35] <darryl> JackWinter you can use a sound server
[08:35] <ubuntu> thx all
[08:35] <darryl> JackWinter, like aRts
[08:35] <Schorfi> latitu: don't you have hplip?
[08:35] <pascalFR> ubuntu: give us feeback :)
[08:35] <latitu> Schorfi whats that?
[08:35] <ubuntu> pascalFR: yep
[08:36] <Schorfi> latitu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HPLIP
[08:36] <Schorfi> it should be installed already
[08:36] <JackWinter> darryl: thanks i'm gonna google.  or is there a channel dealing with stuff like this?
[08:36] <Schorfi> if you have gutsy+
[08:36] <geodesic> in the kde4 remix how do I get to a network configuration box?
[08:36] <geodesic> so that I can switch from dhcp -> static
[08:37] <Schorfi> latitu: take a look: kmenu -> system -> HPLIP toolbox
[08:37] <mohi> hi :)
[08:37] <darryl> JackWinter: you could google it, you want to use wineASIO, are you into audio production?
[08:39] <mohi> does anybody knows a wiki page for Kubuntu Hardy tour?
[08:40] <JackWinter> darryl: yes.  use a wonderful sequencer called reaper.  just got kubuntu installed for real (a new pc), and can run tons of FX at 64 samples buffer on my rme card.  happy as punch ;)
[08:40] <darryl> JackWinter: try lmms
[08:40] <ubuntu> Hi everybody
[08:40] <ubuntu> I have a problem with Ubuntu/Kubuntu installation
[08:41] <JackWinter> darryl: lmms is what ?
[08:41] <ubuntu> the system freeze when the installer copy files, at 26% (or sometimes at 24%)
[08:41] <darryl> JackWinter: the only reason i keep windows is because of the audio production apps, i use FL Studio, LMMS is a lot like it, but i'm having trouble getting vst support in it, i think its because i'm on a amd64 and vst support only works in 32bit
[08:41] <darryl> Linux MultiMedia System
[08:41] <ubuntu> any idea to solve that? :(
[08:42] <darryl> http://lmms.sourceforge.net there is a version you can download in Adept Manger but it doesn't have vst support
[08:42] <jussi01> darryl: you may want to ask in #ubuntustudio - its quietish in there, but if you are patient...
[08:42] <mohi> ubuntu: may be you should wait a little more. It might bee due to your hardware
[08:42] <ubuntu> but the system freezes completly
[08:42] <ubuntu> I can't move the mouse, I can't do anything
[08:43] <mohi> ubuntu: I know! I saw this in release notes I think!
[08:43] <darryl> thanks jussi01
[08:43] <geodesic> how do I change from dynamic -> static ip on kde4?
[08:44] <darryl> the ubuntu server has been under heavy strain lately, i've had problems using apt-get
[08:44] <Schorfi> latitu: found it?
[08:44] <darryl> if you change your default server to a diffrent one it usually helps
[08:44] <JackWinter> darryl: i haven't had the time to investigate all options.  i'm on 32bit kubuntu and use a windows seq in wine using wineasio and jack.  think there might be some probs using 32bit wineasio with 64bit jack.  you might be better off trying the 32bit version.  with my old P4 it didn't work very well, but now it flies using reapers builtin fx and ik multimedia vst plugs..
[08:44] <ov1d1u> where I can find the release notes?
[08:44] <darryl> JackWinter i'd suggest you try lmms, i think you'll love it
[08:44] <rjb> well how cute: after the upgrade, sudo totally stopped working for me
[08:44] <darryl> jackwinter: you ever use FL Studio?
[08:45] <Scotsgait> Good morning, Can anyone help  me with a problem I have after upgrading ? Adept is showing one updated package is available but it won't launch !
[08:45] <JackWinter> nope used cubase sx before.  try reaper http://reaper.fm  works beautifully in wine.  midi not so good, but audio rocks...
[08:46] <rjb> wireless was also broken by the upgrade of course
[08:46] <darryl> i'm trying to get away from windows programs though, i don't want to use wine except for maybe vst
[08:46] <darryl> otherwise i would use FL Studio, it does work in wine
[08:46] <Lynoure> Scotsgait: does it tell you anything about why it won't launch if you run adept from the commandline?
[08:46] <rjb> i'd probably fix it fast, but i must be able to sudo to get started:(
[08:47] <Scotsgait> haven't tried that (and how do I do it ?)
[08:47] <rjb> bah, to recovery mode
[08:48] <JackWinter> darryl: ok everyone to their own ;)  i use reaper because it rocks for me.  don't really care that it's wine ;)  what makes me so happy is that i can run it under linus with no probs.  that i still can use ezdrummer, amplitube and ampegsvx is just good for me..;)
[08:49] <darryl> JackWinter amplitude is nice vst effect, have you used Warp Vst? it is incredible as well
[08:50] <darryl> JackWinter i use Amplitude for distortion, and Warp VST for that final touch it makes it sound so realistic
[08:51] <JackWinter> darryl: nope, but ampegsvx is the shits for bass.  i always struggled with dif fx chains for bass.  now i load ampeg load a preset, tune a little and the bass is perfect ;)  sorry for the offtopic everyone ;)
[08:52] <Lynoure> Scotsgait: open Konsole, then type   kdesu /usr/bin/adept_manager
[08:52] <JackWinter> wasn't hardy supposed to use a new sound system ?  pulseaudio or so ?
[08:52] <codex_> hello, i would like to upgrade my system to 8.4 and use kde4 remix. is there anything special that i have to do ?
[08:52] <jussi01> !ohmy | JackWinter
[08:52] <ubotu> JackWinter: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[08:53] <jussi01> JackWinter: pulse is in ubuntu by default, not kubuntu
[08:53] <darryl> JackWinter: use JACK
[08:54] <JackWinter> jussi01: what is the best system to use for sharing output between kde, amarok and sl ?
[08:55] <codex_> hello, i would like to upgrade my system to 8.4 and use kde4 remix. is there anything special that i have to do ?
[08:55] <JackWinter> darryl: jack is already serving my wine seq on another soundcard..
[08:55] <darryl> JackWinter then use aRts
[08:55] <JackWinter> ok off to google ;)
[08:56] <darryl> man this problem i'm having is irritating me though, but i think i can acutally compile this program if i can figure out how to get it to use the 32bit libaries
[08:56] <darryl> they need a 64bit version of wine hehe
[08:57] <rjb> yesss ndiswrapper still works after upgrade.
[08:59] <rjb> now, where do i find my restricted driver manager after upgrading, again?
[09:00] <codex_> hello i am currently using kubuntu 7.10 and iam upgrading to 8.10, but i would like to use kde4 remix. how do i go about select kde4
[09:00] <codex_> ?
[09:00] <codex_> any help
[09:00] <codex_> ?
[09:02] <stdin> codex_: you upgrade as normal then install the kubuntu-kde4-desktop package
[09:02] <codex_> thanks
[09:03] <chaotician> any idea why KDE crashes on shutdown when Compiz is enabled?
[09:05] <Lynoure> !sudo > lynoure
[09:05] <Lynoure> Could be good if someone modified sudo factlet to have info on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sudo/+bug/32906 too
[09:06] <drayen> In﻿ Dolphin, is there any way to set the size of the columns ? its driving me nuts !
[09:07] <rjb> wow
[09:07] <rjb> it looks libe the new b43 wireless driver actually works
[09:07] <stdin> Lynoure: send a suggestion and it'll be reviewed
[09:08] <rjb> and for the first time ever, network manager actually did the right thing for me right away, when plugging in /unplugging the eth wire
[09:11] <Lynoure> stdin: where should I send it?
[09:11] <stdin> Lynoure: say: ubotu: no sudo is ....
[09:11] <stdin> and it'll be sent
[09:12] <stdin> you can also just /msg ubotu no sudo is ...
[09:13] <chaotician> any idea why KDE crashes on shutdown when Compiz is enabled?
[09:13] <rjb> here's the reason why sudo started failing for me after a (manual) upgrade to hardy:
[09:13] <chaotician> anyone?
[09:13] <rjb> the computer's name, as per /etc/hostname, was nor present in /etc/hosts
[09:14] <stdin> rjb: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sudo/+bug/32906
[09:14] <rjb> calling sudo was failing with a message like failed to resolve some_hostname
[09:15] <rjb> i fixed it by booting into rescue mode, and adding the hostname at the end of the localhost line in /etc/hosts
[09:17] <rjb> stdin: yes, it's very comforting to realise this issue has been known and debated for, uh
[09:17] <rjb> two years now
[09:17] <rjb> and still has not been fixed
[09:17] <stdin> if it's known then at least you know it's known
[09:18] <rjb> yes, it's a relief i don't need to report it myself
[09:22] <chaotician> any idea why KDE crashes on shutdown when Compiz is enabled?
[09:23] <Eruaran> 7.10 or 8.04
[09:23] <chaotician> 8.04 running on a dell inspiron 1501
[09:23] <ov1d1u> I'm back. i still cannot install Ubuntu/Kubuntu 8.04 on my pc :(
[09:23] <chaotician> 64bit
[09:23] <Eruaran> hmm...
[09:24] <ov1d1u> the PC is freezing when the installer is copying files
[09:24] <ov1d1u> I can't move the mouse, there's no HD or CD activity...
[09:24] <ov1d1u> what can I do to install Kubuntu 8.04 on my PC? :(
[09:26] <bazhang> ov1d1u: is this the live or the alternate cd
[09:26] <ov1d1u> the live cd
[09:27] <ov1d1u> I have checked the CD, it is ok
[09:28] <bazhang> ov1d1u: some possible solutions include checking the md5sum of the iso, re-burning at low speed; doing a disk check on the media, or using the alternate cd--is this going to be a dual boot or ubuntu only? if dual boot you might look into wubi or unetbootin
[09:29] <ov1d1u> no, it isn't going to be a dualboot
[09:29] <ov1d1u> just ubuntu
[09:29] <squid0> hi. how stable is kde 4.0 in hardy?
[09:29] <bazhang> the alternate cd may be a good choice then ov1d1u
[09:29] <ov1d1u> I wrote the iso image on 2 CDs
[09:29] <ov1d1u> and I have downloaded Ubuntu, too
[09:30] <ov1d1u> same problem
[09:30] <ov1d1u> ok, I will try with the alternate cd
[09:30] <rjb> it's also pretty clear to me that 95% of all users don't stand a chance of discovering that the reason their wifi isn't working
[09:30] <dystopianray> squid0: the few people i know who've tried it weren't terribly impressed, personally i'd wait till kde 4.1 at least
[09:30] <rjb> is that they failed to install an obscure package, with 'fwcutter' in its name
[09:31] <rjb> which is not required by any dependency
[09:31] <rjb> nor brought to their attention by the hardware driver manager
[09:32] <squid0> dystopianray: ok, thanks. i mean, I tried it when kde4 just came out, and it was pretty rough-edged. but has it improved and stabilised by now?
[09:33] <dystopianray> squid0: i'm not sure i haven't actually used it
[09:33] <squid0> dystopianray: ok. that would be an important thing to know :)
[09:34] <Lynoure> squid0: it's quite stable (Plasma crashes and recovers on me occassionally), just not as done when it comes to all of the bits (like pim or powermanagement, which still need to be used from the older kde, I think)
[09:35] <Widget_> hey all... did Kubuntu 8 get release with KDE4? i thought it was going too aswell has 3.5
[09:35] <Eruaran> yes
[09:35] <Lynoure> Widget_: both
[09:35] <jussi01>  Widget_ yes
[09:35] <Eruaran> Kubuntu KDE4 Remix
[09:36] <Widget_> cool
[09:36] <jussi01> Widget_: kde4 in #kubuntu-kde4 if you want more info :)
[09:36] <Widget_> so, with remix.. it gets installed with kde4 desktop or is it mainly 3 wih some kde4 featursw?
[09:36] <Widget_> cool, thnx
[09:41] <ubuntu__> hello, somebody speak spanish?
[09:41] <Widget_> olla
[09:41] <Widget_> i mean.. no :(
[09:41] <bazhang> !es
[09:41] <ubotu> Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[09:42] <ubuntu__> ok, Thank you, ubotu
[09:45] <Eruaran> Whats the easiest way to remove an ext3 partition and extend the NTFS partition again for a Windows user ?
[09:47] <Eruaran> (not for me but someone else)
[09:47] <Eruaran> I'm happy with my kubuntu
[09:49] <dystopianray> Eruaran: use gparted to do it, should be pretty straight forward
[09:49] <Eruaran> Does the Ubuntu live cd already have gparted on it ?
[09:50] <dystopianray> Eruaran: the ubuntu one does, yes
[09:50] <Eruaran> ok cool
[09:50] <chaotician> any idea why KDE crashes on shutdown when Compiz is enabled?
[09:50] <dystopianray> chaotician: what video card?
[09:51] <chaotician> dystopianray: the one in my dell inspiron 1501, it's an ATI, 1 sec and I will find out more
[09:52] <dystopianray> chaotician: oh ati, i had heard of an issue with nvidia cards where kde will crash on logout
[09:52] <morris> hi ^^
[09:54] <chaotician> dystopianray: ahh well, I'll get back to banging my head against google
[09:54] <dmitry__> hello)
[09:57] <dmitry__> I'm using kmail & kleopatra in previous release of kubuntu. kleopatra cannot get my certs, only writes "Fetching kys" in status bar
[09:57] <dmitry__> thunderbird gets that succesfully
[09:57] <dmitry__> maybe I must start any daemon?
[09:59] <fioss> I have a network problem under kde3.5.9, hardy. Since the update t KDE programms can not connect  to the internet
[09:59] <fioss> any ideas?
[10:07] <fioss> does anyone knows about a qt but non KDE program that connects to the net?
[10:08] <dystopianray> fioss: google earth
[10:08] <dystopianray> fioss: opera
[10:08] <dystopianray> fioss: skype
[10:08] <fioss> dystopianray: thanks
[10:08] <fioss> dystopianray: you are right skype does work. So it must be a KDE problem.
[10:09] <JackWinter> how do i change loading order of alsa drivers ?  /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base contains no aliases ?
[10:09] <JackWinter> kubuntu 8.04 here
[10:09] <fioss> is there some central network config in KDE3.5?
[10:10] <dystopianray> fioss: i don't believe there is anything that is kde specific enough to make only kde apps fail
[10:10] <dystopianray> fioss: do you have a proxy set?
[10:10] <fioss> well, thats all that fails. kopete, kontact, konqueror ...
[10:10] <fioss> no, already switched off
[10:11] <dystopianray> weird
[10:11] <fioss> the only kde app i found so far is kvirc, but this one seems to use its own klibs
[10:11] <fioss> well, not klibs, but something is odd about this program
[10:12] <dystopianray> fioss: do you know why the applications are failing? they can't do dns lookups or something?
[10:12] <fioss> the non-kde apps seems to work, like firefox, skype, sim, ping
[10:12] <fioss> i dont, I dont even get an timeout
[10:12] <dystopianray> fioss: what do they do?
[10:13] <fioss> just nothing, i.e. konqueror just shows this little rotating symbol
[10:13] <dystopianray> weird
[10:13] <fioss> probably I should reinstall kdebase etc...
[10:14] <fioss> happened with the upgrade to hoardy
[10:14] <Ta3v> Sorry I just caught the end of that, did you say KDE wasn't working?
[10:14] <Ta3v> with the upgrade?
[10:15] <fioss> Ta3v: yes i did
[10:15]  * Ta3v is half way through the install =(
[10:15] <fioss> Ta3v: well, network isnt working, and I had to delete .kde/share/apps/konqueror/konq_history
[10:15] <ov1d1u> In Kubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy) my hard-disk was detected as hda
[10:16] <ov1d1u> now, in Kubuntu 8.04 it is detected as sda
[10:16] <fioss> its sda now, i guess?
[10:16] <ov1d1u> why?
[10:16] <ov1d1u> yes
[10:16] <fioss> ov1d1u: thats because of a change in the kernel interface
[10:16] <Ta3v> have you tried reinstalling kde?
[10:16] <fioss> Ta3v: thats my plan now
[10:16] <fioss> Ta3v: sucks, cause this is my work machine
[10:17] <fioss> trying the kio plugins and kdelibs first
[10:20] <fioss> looks like I have to do a complete reinstall...
[10:21] <fioss> 682MB of space will be freed :-(
[10:21] <morris> deluxe ;)
[10:24] <snikker> hi, i'm unable to upgrade from cdrom. i've found this in the log file http://pastebin.com/d621c7ffc i've used an alternate cd, and md5 are ok..
[10:33] <snikker> no ones
[10:33] <snikker> ?
[10:34] <Ta3v> hello
[10:34] <Ta3v> well the upgrade is about half way done
[10:34] <Ta3v> if only I could upgrade my car so easily
[10:34] <Ta3v> Adept has found that your tie rod ends need replaced. Yes/No?
[10:35] <Ta3v> lol
[10:40] <cap|work> hello. i yesterday tried to install hardy on my computer. i used the kubuntu alternate cd i386. i did the partitioning, network interface configuration, the basic files were copied, i was asked if i want to download language support, i answered yes, then some files were copied and at 6% of the section 'select and install software' i got a red error screen with the message that something went wrong. is this a known problem?
[10:41] <dystopianray> cap|work: what went wrong?
[10:41] <Ta3v> Ive never encountered that before
[10:43] <cap|work> no idea. the message just said "something in the block select and install software". the only options that i was suggested is retry this step or skip it.
[10:45] <reese> hi! if I compile a new version of amarok, it will overwrite the existing one or do I have to uninstall it?
[10:45] <cap|work> the installation was supposed to take place at a 60gb partition of a sata device, if this is the problem. the device was recognized as scsi
[10:46] <dystopianray> reese: why do you want to compile a new version?
[10:46] <reese> because a new one is out, that fixes some bugs
[10:46] <dystopianray> really?
[10:47] <dystopianray> reese: oh are you using gutsy?
[10:47] <jerzyk86> hi, when i try to install ubuntu 7.10 after i choose “run or install” ubuntu for a sec my display is turn off, i am waiting because cd-rom is stil copy files but display never is turn on. I have motherboard with integrated graphics but i have in pciexpress grf 8800gt. By integrated graphics its works - i nstall ubuntu on itegrated graph and after i plug my gf, but its still turn off my display when i try to run ubuntu. Any idea how to repai
[10:48] <dystopianray> jerzyk86: ubuntu or kubuntu?
[10:48] <reese> dystopianray: yes
[10:48] <dystopianray> reese: you can get amarok 1.3.8 from gutsy-backports
[10:48] <dystopianray> reese: it's generally a bad idea to compile your own apps and just overwrite what is already installed
[10:48] <snikker> i'm unable to upgrade from cdrom. i've found this in the log file http://pastebin.com/d621c7ffc i've used an alternate cd, and md5 are ok..
[10:48] <dystopianray> unless you know what you are doing and can fix breakage
[10:49] <jerzyk86> kubuntu
[10:49] <dystopianray> jerzyk86: try 8.04
[10:49] <reese> dystopianray: i have the source code of the 1.4.9 version. i have to compile it because i don't have a machine with internet connection on it
[10:50] <dystopianray> reese: are you affected by bugs that are fixed in 1.4.9.1 ?
[10:50] <dystopianray> reese: unless the fixed bugs are actually affecting you and absolutely must have the new version then i wouldn't recommend trying to compile it yourself
[10:51] <fioss> ok seems to work now
[10:51] <fioss> a full reinstall did the trick
[10:52] <fioss> and I had to change the resolv.conf by hand, odd
[10:52] <reese> dystopianray: the cover fetching is fixed in 1.4.9.1. ok, thanks for the advice. for curiosity, what would be the possible problems, if I try to compile it?
[10:52] <dystopianray> reese: you'll be bypassing the package manager
[10:52] <dystopianray> reese: which may cause all sorts of weird issues, i'm not exactly sure
[10:53] <dystopianray> reese: you'd be better of trying to find a deb for that version
[10:53] <reese> dystopianray: unfortunately, I didn't find it.. thanks
[10:57] <spiroo> Where do I find partitionmagic?
[10:57] <spiroo> for KDE4
[10:57] <fioss> spiroo: Its a commercial program for windows
[10:57] <fioss> spiroo: Try qparted
[10:58] <snikker> qtparted
[10:58] <fioss> snikker: thanks, qtparted is right
[10:58] <SadDreamer> Finnaly connected here :)
[10:58] <snikker> fioss: np
[10:59] <snikker> someone have upgrade to 8.04?
[10:59] <SadDreamer> me
[10:59] <SadDreamer> :)
[10:59] <fioss> I did
[10:59] <SadDreamer> But i just installed it as new
[10:59] <SadDreamer> If you are askeing about it
[11:00] <fioss> snikker: But not w/o trouble
[11:00] <spiroo> fioss: Oh right, forgot it was called qparted these days
[11:00] <spiroo> qtparted*
[11:00] <fioss> snikker: Had to fully reinstall kde, remove the konq_history and fix the resolv.conf manually
[11:00] <spiroo> damn, school computer went damn fast after isntalling 8.04 :D
[11:00] <fioss> snikker: Oh, and the nvidia driver didnt work, neither
[11:00] <chaotician> I upgraded with
[11:00] <SadDreamer> Hmm
[11:00] <chaotician> out a hitch
[11:01] <snikker> i'm unable to upgrade with alternate cd...
[11:01] <chaotician> all fine here
[11:01] <fioss> thought the last one was maybe my own fault
[11:01]  * SadDreamer Installed as new, and everything was workinng good, only that problem with BOOT lines
[11:01] <PY> Hey guys, you may remember me from yesterday
[11:01] <chaotician> I used the updater and the web
[11:01] <PY> Anyway, booted up and installed, but... it still isn't accepting my wireless card's drivers
[11:02] <PY> So, anywhere I can get a driver for a broadcom device that'd work?
[11:02] <fioss> IF(INIT.EQ.0) THEN
[11:02] <fioss> sry, wrong window
[11:02] <PY> Haha
[11:02] <HiGenix> o/ everyone. Moving from Kubuntu to Gentoo and was wondering, is it better to use ReisersFS or ext3 for my home partition?
[11:03] <chaotician> PY: try k-menu>system>hardware drivers manager
[11:03] <PY> Done that
[11:03] <chaotician> ahh
[11:03] <PY> Says it's propriety and it won't start it
[11:03] <jussio1> HiGenix: I would suggest ext3, but its really up to you
[11:03] <PY> Which is a bitch, becuase without it I can't really set up the OS
[11:04] <immesys> Hi, I'm having grief with the kubuntu-kde4-desktop installer. Ubiquity doesn't go past asking me what my keyboard layout is. The disk self-check passes.
[11:04] <chaotician> PY: can you use NDISwrapper
[11:04] <chaotician> ?
[11:04] <snikker> do you know if are a switch command (for cdromupgrade) for don't use the language-support?
[11:04] <PY> I don't know
[11:04] <PY> What, pray, is an ndiswrapper?
[11:04] <HiGenix> jussio1: What're the pros of using ext3 in regards to ReisersFS? A friend suggested I use Reisers as Gentoo uses Portage, and Resiers deals with small files better (apparently!)
[11:04] <PY> And how do I use one?
[11:04] <fioss> HiGenix: second that, ReiserFS has its strength, but not on a desktop system (w/o an UPS...)
[11:04] <chaotician> PY: it's a wrapper to allow you to use windows drivers under linux
[11:05] <PY> Neat
[11:05] <PY> How do I use it, then?
[11:05] <jussio1> !ndiswrapper
[11:05] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:05] <fioss> HiGenix: Why dont you ask the gentoo guys?
[11:05] <PY> Thanks
[11:05] <chaotician> PY: I haven't used it myself but I will send you a link to a tutorial
[11:05] <ActionParsnip> is hardy officially released yet?
[11:05] <PY> Ah, much thanks
[11:05] <chaotician> PY: 1sec
[11:05] <fioss> ActionParsnip: yes
[11:05] <fioss> !hardy
[11:05] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the codename for the current release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS) You can get it now from http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu but please use !torrents
[11:05] <ActionParsnip> sweeet
[11:05] <ActionParsnip> cheers
[11:05] <PY> Awesome bot
[11:06] <HiGenix> !ext3
[11:06] <ubotu> ext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org
[11:06] <PY> I'd have used a torrent, the link isn't very obvious
[11:06] <ActionParsnip> PY: he knows much
[11:06] <SadDreamer> hmm
[11:06] <ActionParsnip> !coffee | PY
[11:06] <ubotu> PY: coffee is a caffeinated beverage made by filtering water through ground up roasted beans of the coffee plant. Flavouring to taste such as milk or cream, sugar or sweetener are often added afterwards. Not to be confused with !java
[11:06] <PY> He does indeed
[11:06] <PY> Hahaha, neat
[11:06] <dystopianray> HiGenix: reiserfs does perform better with small files and it may be beneficial to put portage on a reiserfs partition
[11:06] <PY> I'd have to add milk and suger, too bitter otherwise <_<
[11:07] <SadDreamer> hmm
[11:07] <HiGenix> Mmm, ok, thanks for the thoughts.
[11:07] <SadDreamer> :)
[11:08] <chaotician> PY: this aimed at my laptop but I'm sure you could use your drivers for your card instead http://www.ubuntu1501.com/2008/04/ndiswrapper-in-hardy-heron.html
[11:08] <PY> Ah, thanks
[11:09] <PY> My machine is a dell insparon something or other, anyway
[11:09] <immesys> I cannot get kubuntu-kde4-desktop installer to go past the keyboard-layout. Any ideas on what to do to find out why?
[11:09] <chaotician> PY: that site is awsome
[11:09] <ActionParsnip> my main system is from www.efficientpc.co.uk
[11:09] <PY> *bookmarks*
[11:09] <ActionParsnip> :)
[11:10] <ActionParsnip> they sell preinstalled systems with ubuntu
[11:10] <PY> immesys: have you tried wubi? I couldn't get mine to work with any regularity with the liveCD, even
[11:10] <immesys> Py: I don't have windows installed, isn't wubi for under windows?
[11:10] <PY> Oh, I see
[11:10] <PY> Yeah
[11:10] <immesys> py: I ran out of blank cd's otherwise I'd try the alternate iso
[11:10] <PY> Ah, bummer
[11:11] <immesys> yeah
[11:11] <PY> I use a rewritable DVD, I've been trying a lot of linux distros, but KDE4...
[11:11] <PY> Mmm
[11:11] <PY> It makes Vista's... everything seem slow and dated...
[11:12] <immesys> is the kubuntu-kde4 also a LTS or is it a "this is cool but shady and we warned you"
[11:12] <dystopianray> immesys: kubuntu is not an LTS at all
[11:12] <ActionParsnip> i think aero looks cheap
[11:12] <immesys> So no ideas on how to get ubiquity to work?
[11:12] <ActionParsnip> lts?
[11:12] <SlimeyPete> Long Term Support
[11:12] <immesys> !lts
[11:12] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[11:12] <Eruaran> Is Konversation included in the Kubuntu 8.04 release ? Its not in the KDE4 version !
[11:13] <dystopianray> Eruaran: it is in the kde3 version
[11:13] <PY> ActionParsnip: I like the aero style, it's far better than previous versions of windows, and (IMO) nicer than KDE3.whatever
[11:13] <Eruaran> dystopianray: phew
[11:13] <PY> Step 2: Get Needed Packages
[11:13] <PY> To install ndiswrapper
[11:13] <PY> In a terminal type:
[11:13] <PY> sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 ndiswrapper-common
[11:13] <PY> Get the Windows driver for your Dell 1501
[11:13] <PY> In a terminal type:
[11:13] <PY> wget http://ftp.us.dell.com/network/R140747.EXE
[11:13] <PY> How in the hell is that supposed to work
[11:13] <Eruaran> Thats a relief
[11:14] <Eruaran> I thought they were going stupid like the gnome crowd
[11:14] <PY> I can't connect to the net, how precisely do I access it?!
[11:14] <ActionParsnip> py, wired
[11:14] <PY> Ah, yeah, that's not really an option
[11:15] <PY> Can I download them in windows, put them on my USB stick?
[11:15] <chaotician> yes
[11:15] <PY> Awesome
[11:15] <immesys> py: problem is installing the .deb's as they will have dependancies
[11:16] <PY> Bah
[11:16] <ActionParsnip> PY, get it set up on the wired, then unclip it when its ok
[11:16] <PY> Cant get my PC near the router
[11:17] <immesys> py: there is another way if you have another ubuntu pc connected.
[11:17] <PY> I don't, though
[11:17] <immesys> py: ah.
[11:17] <PY> Yeah, I may as well give up...
[11:17] <ActionParsnip> PY, why not?
[11:17] <PY> Why don't I have another ubuntu machine, or why can't I get near the router?
[11:18] <immesys> py: is it the neighbours router?
[11:18] <immesys> py: lol
[11:18] <PY> Can't get near the router becuase it's hidden away, no plugs near it
[11:18] <PY> <_<
[11:18] <chaotician> it's a laptop
[11:18] <PY> My router, all mine!
[11:18] <PY> Who's a laptop?
[11:18] <ligemeget> Which KDE4-distro is best supported - Kubuntu-KDE4 or OpenSUSE?
[11:18] <fioss> PY: you can try to download the deb package on an usb stick, and when it complains about dependenices, just download this package, too. And so on
[11:18] <chaotician> wrong window lol
[11:18] <fioss> PY: could take you a while, thought
[11:18] <ligemeget> Probably stupid place to ask :P
[11:19] <PY> Yeah...
[11:19] <dystopianray> ligemeget: probably opensuse
[11:19] <immesys> fioss: thats a really easy way to get frustrated... I've tried that before and it spirals out of control sometimes
[11:19] <SlimeyPete> ligemeget: opensuse I imagine
[11:19] <ActionParsnip> PY, then get it accessible and you are ok
[11:19] <PY> It needs to be addressed, this driver stuff, I really should be able to do it from windows
[11:20] <PY> accessible?
[11:20] <ActionParsnip> py, or find a KUbuntu friendly usb wireless, set it up then use the inbuilt
[11:20] <ligemeget> dystopianray, SlimeyPete , ok.. Do you know of anyplace that lists differences between them..?
[11:20] <ligemeget> (I'm used to Ubuntu)
[11:20] <PY> ActionParsnip: Kubuntu friendly USB wireless? What is that
[11:21] <immesys> py: I can make a list of .deb's for you (dependancies included) and you can dload them on windows, put on stick if you want
[11:21] <Eruaran> ligemeget: I just had a play with Kubuntu-KDE4... I might install it tonight or tomorrow
[11:21] <dystopianray> ligemeget: i'm not sure if there is any such place, i'd suggest actually trying out opensuse
[11:21] <ActionParsnip> PY, check the HCL for ubuntu
[11:21] <ActionParsnip> !hcl
[11:21] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport - To help debugging and improving hardware detection, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection
[11:21] <PY> immesys: Oh, yeah, that'd help, thanks
[11:21] <immesys> py: okay, don't go anywhere
[11:21] <PY> k, thanks
[11:22] <ActionParsnip> PY, Id get your router physically accessible for a lil bit so you can setup your system though
[11:22] <PY> Hmm, I'm upstarirs, it's downstairs, problem isn't getting to it, it's actually plugging my PC in
[11:23] <Eruaran> Kubuntu-KDE4 is a bit slim on apps though... prettty much all non-KDE4 apps are avoided except maybe OpenOffice and Kontact
[11:23] <ActionParsnip> PY, get a loooon cat5 patch cable
[11:23] <chaotician> PY: really long piece of CAT5?
[11:23] <PY> err
[11:23] <chaotician> lol
[11:23] <ActionParsnip> snap, chaotician
[11:23] <Fyl0n> I try to install XMMS on 8.04 (KDE3)
[11:23] <Fyl0n> no package found..?
[11:23] <Fyl0n> anybody?
[11:23] <PY> I don't know what that is, and certainly don't own one. I know someone with a dog, wioll that do?
[11:23] <dystopianray> Fyl0n: apparently hardy no longer has xmms
[11:23] <Eruaran> Fyl0n: It already has Amarok
[11:23] <chaotician> it's amazing how many problems can be solved if only you have enough CAT%
[11:23] <ActionParsnip> Fyl0n: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4751129
[11:23] <Fyl0n> Amarok is sooo bloated..
[11:24] <dystopianray> PY: cat5 = ethernet cable
[11:24] <Eruaran> :/
[11:24] <PY> hehe
[11:24] <Fyl0n> ActionParsnip: thanx for link
[11:24] <Eruaran> Amarok is great
[11:24] <PY> It'd have to be pretty long, though...
[11:24] <dystopianray> i love amarok
[11:24] <Eruaran> me too
[11:25] <Eruaran> Im waiting for the new KDE4 version
[11:25] <Eruaran> Kubuntu-KDE4 comes with Juk at the moment
[11:25] <Fyl0n> There is no other player that can handle the amount of music as quickly and easily as xmms
[11:25] <ActionParsnip> i'm on kde3 until everything shimmys over to kde4
[11:25] <immesys> py: it appears that the dependancies are not bad at all
[11:25] <immesys> 'http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/n/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper-common_1.43-1ubuntu2_all.deb' ndiswrapper-common_1.43-1ubuntu2_all.deb 19168 SHA256:540e3130438d2a54d983f323f42d967c35b5bdfd5a70d9d431afe1d4cada86f3
[11:25] <immesys> 'http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/n/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper-utils-1.9_1.43-1ubuntu2_i386.deb' ndiswrapper-utils-1.9_1.43-1ubuntu2_i386.deb 33496 SHA256:f071b890221bfa168075acc50006f0f8c7deb68e464fe1f33caddb6905576592
[11:25] <ActionParsnip> Fyl0n: amarok works for me
[11:25] <Eruaran> ActionParsnip: understandable
[11:25] <PY> 2? Naet
[11:25] <fioss> Fyl0n: depends on your collection and listening behaviour
[11:26] <immesys> py: thats what my system tells me.. yup
[11:26] <PY> :D
[11:26] <Fyl0n> fioss: true :)
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> Eruaran: plus im not bothered for eye candy in the slightest. all these people using compiz makes me chuckle
[11:26] <immesys> py: just download those and run "dpkg -i *package name*"
[11:26] <PY> Ah, ok
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> Fyl0n: do you not like amarok?
[11:26] <PY> How do I get ndiswrapper, it doesn't have a link, just the sudo apt-get
[11:27] <immesys> py: there should be a link on that page... hang on
[11:27] <immesys> py: that should be a direct link to each file
[11:27] <PY> sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 ndiswrapper-common' is all I can find
[11:28] <immesys> py: those two links I posted...
[11:28] <dystopianray> PY: intall those two debs
[11:28] <dystopianray> install
[11:28] <PY> ok
[11:28] <PY> What about this ssb thing?
[11:28] <Eruaran> ActionParsnip: I already downloaded kubuntu-kde4... its not bad but I'll also download the kde3 version cause I tried out ubuntu 8.04 but I just can't make myself like gnome and gnome apps... I think it sucks and it totally dependant on compiz fusion to prop it up... otherwise its butt ugly... I really dont understand the popularity of ubuntu (I love kubuntu though)
[11:28] <dystopianray> PY: what ssb thing?
[11:28] <PY> Step 1
[11:29] <immesys> py: I gotta go.. good luck though
[11:29] <dystopianray> PY: what are you reading?
[11:29] <PY> bye imme
[11:29] <ActionParsnip> ive just always used kde and liked it. it works for me :)
[11:29] <PY> dystopianray: http://www.ubuntu1501.com/2008/04/ndiswrapper-in-hardy-heron.html
[11:29] <Eruaran> ActionParsnip: works for me too :)
[11:31] <dystopianray> PY: oh that's just a kernel module
[11:31] <PY> Yeah, but the guy says it helps it work
[11:31] <dystopianray> PY: helps what work?
[11:32] <PY> NDISwrapper
[11:32] <dystopianray> PY: just ignore it
[11:32] <PY> mmmmmmmkay...
[11:32] <dystopianray> PY: those instructions are pretty screwed up, i'll help you with ndiswrapper
[11:32] <PY> Ah, ok :D
[11:33] <ActionParsnip> i hate broadcom
[11:33] <dystopianray> PY: did you install those two debs?
[11:33] <PY> Still in windows
[11:33] <PY> I have the .debs, what do I do with them?
[11:33] <nonewmsgs> how to mount a dd image?  i tried normal mount way and it said it wasn't a block device
[11:33] <dystopianray> PY: install them
[11:33] <PY> *cough*
[11:33] <PY> How, doubleclick, in the console?
[11:34] <dystopianray> PY: yeah just double click
[11:34] <PY> Good good
[11:34] <Eruaran> ooh you know what I noticed and really liked in kubuntu-kde4
[11:34] <Eruaran> the oxygen mouse theme
[11:34] <PY> Yes
[11:34] <PY> Oxygen is a yummy theme
[11:34] <Eruaran> rather swish
[11:34] <dystopianray> PY: have you followed any of the other instructions in that guide? becuase if so we might have to repair some damage
[11:35] <PY> Still in windows, haven't touch kubuntu yet
[11:35] <dystopianray> excellent
[11:35] <PY> One problem though, the moment I go into kubuntu, I'll have no internet, so I need fairly detailed instructions
[11:35] <dystopianray> PY: oh you're dual booting?
[11:36] <PY> Yeah
[11:36] <dystopianray> ok well first we can do a bit in windows
[11:36] <dystopianray> PY: did you download that .exe file?
[11:36] <PY> Yep, all 50MB of it
[11:37] <dystopianray> PY: change the extension to .zip, then extract it somewhere
[11:37] <PY> ok
[11:37] <PY> Wait, the deb, or the exe?
[11:37] <Eruaran> Fyl0n: what about beep ?
[11:37] <dystopianray> PY: the exe
[11:38] <PY> right
[11:38] <dystopianray> PY: don't do anything with the debs yet
[11:38] <PY> They're sitting happily on my USB
[11:38] <PY> Right, exe open in winrar
[11:39] <dystopianray> PY: ok, apparently there is a directory called 'DRIVER' ? if so go into it
[11:39] <PY> Done
[11:40] <dystopianray> PY: there is a file called bcmwl5.inf and also another one with a similar name with a .sys extension, you need to extract both of those files
[11:41] <PY> Done
[11:41] <dystopianray> PY: ok, now you should have 4 files, the two debs and the .inf and the .sys files, you'll need these in ubuntu
[11:41] <PY> Right
[11:41] <PY> They're sitting on my USB stick now, so, good
[11:41] <dystopianray> PY: i'll pastebin a series of steps that should hopefully get your wifi working
[11:42] <PY> Neat
[11:42] <PY> I'll dump 'em in a .txt, I can read them, right?
[11:42] <dystopianray> PY: yep
[11:42] <PY> Neat
[11:42] <PY> Oh, and talking of neat, is there any way to get winroll like functionality in kubuntu?
[11:43] <Lynoure> What's winroll?
[11:43] <PY> I'd miss the simplicity to clicking in the buttons, else
[11:43] <PY> Lets you put the window into Kubuntu's 'shade' mode by rightlciking on the window title
[11:43] <PY> Other stuff like always on top, and minimise to tray, too
[11:43] <Lynoure> PY: yes, I have it on double-click, myself
[11:43] <dystopianray> !pastebin > dystopianray
[11:43] <PY> Ah, that's do
[11:44] <PY> dystopianray: Hmm?
[11:44] <Lynoure> PY: System settings -> Window behavior -> Titlebar actions
[11:44] <dystopianray> PY: just a moment
[11:44] <PY> Thanks, Lynoure
[11:45] <dystopianray> PY: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64349/
[11:45] <PY> I just paste that into a console?
[11:45] <dystopianray> PY: that should do it, you should have wifi after that, come back in here again and there are a few more steps taht are slightly more complicated
[11:45] <dystopianray> PY: one at a time
[11:46] <dystopianray> PY: and without the line numbers
[11:46] <PY> But wifi should be working fine, after that?
[11:46] <dystopianray> PY: make sure the terminal is open in the same directory as the other files
[11:46] <dystopianray> PY: oh wait hold on it's missing two steps
[11:46] <ActionParsnip> dystopianray: don'y you have to modprobe after installing the driver
[11:46] <PY> Hah
[11:46] <dystopianray> ActionParsnip: it does
[11:46] <PY> How do I open a terminal in the same directory?
[11:47] <dystopianray> PY: ok, copy all the files to your desktop
[11:47] <PY> Ah, right
[11:47] <dystopianray> PY: when you're in ubuntu
[11:47] <PY> Yeah
[11:49] <dystopianray> PY: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64351/
[11:49] <dystopianray> PY: copy the four files to your desktop, open a terminal
[11:49] <dystopianray> PY: then run those commands one by one
[11:49] <PY> Right
[11:49] <ActionParsnip> dystopianray: you could make is a shell script :)
[11:49] <dystopianray> PY: then come back here after your wifi is working
[11:49] <PY> Gotcha
[11:49] <dystopianray> ActionParsnip: yeah I guess
[11:49] <PY> Err, does KDE4 have an IRC client, or should I get one now?
[11:50] <Mali1> how can i switch from firefox 3 to 2 ?
[11:50] <dystopianray> Mali1: install firefox-2
[11:50] <dystopianray> PY: I don't know...
[11:50] <PY> I see...
[11:50] <PY> Well, in case I do need one, what good ones are there out there?
[11:50] <Mali1> dystopianray: and uninstall firefox 3? sudo apt-get remove firefox ?
[11:50] <Mali1> i use hardy
[11:51] <dystopianray> Mali1: firefox-3.0
[11:51] <PY> Oh, I could never switch back from FF3B5, it's great
[11:52] <dystopianray> i like the full page zoom of ff3
[11:52]  * ActionParsnip never installs beta software
[11:52] <PY> dystopianray: Right, so, hopefully brb
[11:52] <dystopianray> i hope he has an irc client
[11:54] <ActionParsnip> well if he doesnt he can install one if his wifi works, surely
[11:55] <immesys> Hey, I cannot get ubiquity to go further than asking for my keyboard layout using the kubuntu-kde4-desktop iso
[11:55] <Fyl0n> ActionParsnip: no Amarok is way too bloated and heavy
[11:55] <Fyl0n> Eruaran: dunno beep.. and I will try that one :)
[11:55] <Fyl0n> Now trying out Audacious and it seems just as good.
[11:55] <Fyl0n> It even controls the PCM in volume control just like XMMS could, whatever that's worth.
[11:57] <ActionParsnip> Fyl0n: you could install mplayer and do it from command line :)
[11:57] <immesys> Does anyone have any tips to coerce ubiquity into working?
[11:57] <Fyl0n> ActionParsnip: hahaha I allready did! :)
[11:57] <Fyl0n> for time being :)
[11:58] <Mali1> !de
[11:58] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[11:58] <ActionParsnip> Fyl0n: how about mpg123
[12:00] <Fyl0n> ActionParsnip: seems oke to try it out :)
[12:00] <Fyl0n> but I want a player for cli and X
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> Fyl0n: i use amarok due to the band/album management
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> Fyl0n: then install gmplayer :)
[12:04] <Fyl0n> ActionParsnip: omg.. how many do you know dude... hehe
[12:04] <enoj> What is the proper way of using proprietary ATI drivers? The "Hardware Drivers Manager" the ATI accelerated graphics driver is "Enabled" (I enabled it), but it's status is "Not in use"
[12:04] <Fyl0n> this is gonna be a day work to find out hehe
[12:05] <ActionParsnip> Fyl0n: a few :)
[12:05] <Fyl0n> lol
[12:05] <ActionParsnip> !ati | enoj
[12:05] <ubotu> enoj: For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:05] <Tecumseh> hi there, I just installed Hardy with KDE 3.5.9 and I have a little problem. There is no sound anymore. With Feisty and Gutsy I didn't have this problem
[12:05] <ActionParsnip> Fyl0n: gmaplayer is a gui for mplayer
[12:05] <ActionParsnip> kaffiene is nice too
[12:05] <ActionParsnip> Fyl0n: on linux real player but its a bit bulky
[12:06] <Fyl0n> hmm choices choices :)
[12:06] <Fyl0n> kaffeine is great! esp for video :)
[12:08] <ActionParsnip> linux to me is choice, not forced to use one player and one office suite and one browser
[12:09] <Fyl0n> ActionParsnip: yes! that's why I switched over to tux since warty wathog
[12:09] <Fyl0n> But I always used xmms.. thats why I now need to find a alternative
[12:09] <ActionParsnip> i was always a mandriva kid but Kubuntu seems to do the job
[12:09] <Fyl0n> :)
[12:09] <Fyl0n> I love Kubuntu
[12:09] <ActionParsnip> Fyl0n: hmm, maybe we can find it
[12:09] <Fyl0n> :)
[12:10] <ActionParsnip> Fyl0n:  you on hardy?
[12:10] <Fyl0n> compiling source of xmms should work with 8.04
[12:10] <Fyl0n> not yet
[12:10] <Fyl0n> 7.10 now.. but I've upgraded my laptop and since then xmms won't work anymore
[12:10] <ubuntu> Hi all
[12:10] <Fyl0n> got 4 computers here with 7.10 and 8.04
[12:10] <stealite> Hi
[12:10] <ActionParsnip> Fyl0n: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/xmms/
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> !hi | Theus
[12:11] <ubotu> Theus: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[12:11] <vistakiller> Fylon try audacious
[12:11] <vistakiller> is much better
[12:11] <stealite> How can I install the nvidia driver for my 7600gt on ubuntu 8.04
[12:11] <stealite> ?
[12:11] <vistakiller> you cant with the hardware manager?
[12:11] <Fyl0n> vistakiller: I am at the moment :)
[12:11] <stealite> Yes vistakiller
[12:11] <vistakiller> try envyng
[12:12] <stealite> I can't by the hardware manager
[12:12] <vistakiller> you can find it from synaptic
[12:12] <vistakiller> i have the same problem with my 8800gts
[12:12] <vistakiller> and i try envyng programme
[12:12] <stealite> which paquet please ?
[12:12] <matt_> will the amarok in the 8.04 BY DEFAULT work with ipod classics? meaning, does it include the latest libgpod?
[12:12] <vistakiller> i think the qtk
[12:12] <dystopianray> matt_: which version do you need?
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> Fyl0n: looks like a compile job dude
[12:13] <dystopianray> matt_: it has libgpod 0.6.0
[12:13] <Tecumseh> anybody else having trouble getting sound to work in hardy?
[12:13] <ActionParsnip> matt_: id imagine not, personally
[12:14] <Fyl0n> ActionParsnip: yes it does.. :) I don't mind compiling though.. :)
[12:14] <matt_> dystopianray: ActionParsnip i believe .0.6.0 is the one i need...i'll try my ipod tonight...because setting up .0.6.0 manually with amarok was a pain on 7.10
[12:14] <Fyl0n> gonna comile after Audacious
[12:14] <ActionParsnip> matt_: i cant see them bundling it in as not everyone has an ipod (i certainly don't) but the optional download should be available
[12:14] <matt_> dystopianray: oh, and the reason it wouldn't boot for me yesterday, (k)ubuntu was i needed to hit f6 before booting the cd and typing acpi=off
[12:15] <matt_> but, gott go
[12:15] <PY> Gah, couldn't even get kubuntu to boot up, for some reason
[12:15] <dystopianray> PY: did it work?
[12:15] <PY> Nope
[12:15] <dystopianray> haha
[12:15] <ActionParsnip> genius
[12:15] <ActionParsnip> :)
[12:16] <ActionParsnip> PY, what messages did you get?
[12:16] <PY> Half of the time it crashed and rebooted, other half it went into a 'busybox'
[12:16] <PY> It got to something about USB stuff, and crashed
[12:16] <ActionParsnip> PY, set your bios to failsafe defaults
[12:16] <PY> Do whatnow?
[12:16] <Theus> €
[12:17] <ActionParsnip> py, go into your bios or setup (usually del key, f2 key do this. press it before the post beep)
[12:17] <ActionParsnip> then select load default settings or failsafe
[12:17] <ActionParsnip> it varys wildly from bios to bios
[12:17] <PY> Ah, I see
[12:17] <PY> I think I know what it is, yeah
[12:17] <matt_> dystopianray: yeah, it worked..
[12:17] <ActionParsnip> and id personally love it to be standardised
[12:18] <PY> Yeah, that'd make life easier
[12:18] <PY> Remember before USB, eh?
[12:18] <guaqua> where does kubuntu's kde save user specific menu items?
[12:18] <PY> Anyway, reeeebooottt again
[12:18] <guaqua> i.e. i once deleted one of the menus and can't get it back
[12:18] <matt_> PY: try this, boot to the cd, before the "try kubuntu" option, hit f6 for more options, and type acpi=off
[12:18] <ActionParsnip> guaqua: ~"/.kde i'd imagine
[12:18] <guaqua> that isn't it
[12:18] <ActionParsnip> ~/.kde
[12:18] <ActionParsnip> bah
[12:18] <ActionParsnip> just a guess
[12:19] <guaqua> i just did rm -rf .kde
[12:19] <guaqua> when i switched to hardy
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> wow, extreme
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> ive never ran rm -rf
[12:19] <guaqua> though i have my own backupkde.sh to back some of the files up
[12:19] <matt_> ActionParsnip: it pisses me of that people tell people to do that
[12:20] <ActionParsnip> guaqua: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=180595
[12:20] <ActionParsnip> matt_:  me too
[12:20] <spanther> matt_, huh? do what?
[12:20] <ActionParsnip> matt_: specially with sudo infront of it
[12:20] <matt_> ActionParsnip: yep
[12:20] <matt_> spanther: the rm -rf crap
[12:20] <ActionParsnip> spanther: run rm -rf
[12:20] <spanther> why ö.ö
[12:21] <spanther> where's the problem with that?
[12:21] <dystopianray> spanther: they're referring to people that suggest deleting / using it
[12:21] <guaqua> ActionParsnip: thanks for that
[12:21] <ActionParsnip> guaqua: np duder
[12:21] <matt_> spanther: it deletes everything, essentially..
[12:21] <spanther> thats how it should be :)
[12:22] <dystopianray> matt_: it only deletes the directory specified, not 'everything'
[12:22] <ActionParsnip> not if you then realised you made a mistake
[12:22] <spanther> i use it too sure why not? if i need to delete a folder with all included then its nice
[12:22] <spanther> then dont make mistakes :P
[12:22] <spanther> look what you type
[12:22] <ActionParsnip> spanther: true but i find it a bit excessive
[12:22] <matt_> dystopianray: so it only deletes ./
[12:22] <dystopianray> matt_: no
[12:23] <dystopianray> matt_: it deletes the folder you tell it to
[12:23] <dystopianray> matt_: rm -rf junk
[12:23] <matt_> dystopianray: OH, GOTCHA
[12:23] <dystopianray> matt_: deletes the folder named 'junk'
[12:23] <spanther> ActionParsnip, it just does its work...
[12:23] <guaqua> flawless! thanks ActionParsnip
[12:23] <ActionParsnip> guaqua: sweet, np dude
[12:24] <spanther> hey now thats stupid i've the kubuntu torrent still in my torrent file after got it but now i can read seeding but nobody is downloading :(
[12:25] <spanther> i wanna help seeding
[12:25] <mickael_> Hello
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> is it possible to create a binary, create a sym link to it, delete the binary, then create a symlink to the symlink named the same name as the original binary?
[12:26] <dystopianray> ActionParsnip: try it
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> im at work on winslows
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> :(
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> and it just popped into my head
[12:26] <spanther> ActionParsnip, this would make you a never ending runaround xD
[12:27] <ActionParsnip> exactly but will it work if you kick it off?
[12:27] <dystopianray> ActionParsnip: it's possible
[12:27] <spanther> i think so yes but it wouldnt make any sense :P
[12:27] <ActionParsnip> true but i was wondering what it would do with cpu/ram/hdd
[12:28] <spanther> for real it would just eat up all of your CPU since it would follow and follow and follow the link without end at full speed :)
[12:28] <PY> No luck
[12:29] <ActionParsnip> hehe
[12:29] <dystopianray> PY: is there an error message?
[12:29] <ActionParsnip> yes > /dev/null does that nicely too :)
[12:29] <PY> When I boot it in recovery mode, it gets to the bit about USB support, then stops (Doesn;t cras, curser still blinks), but otherwise it goes into a 'busybox'
[12:30] <Perso> hi, good afternoon
[12:30] <ActionParsnip> hi Perso
[12:30] <ActionParsnip> !hi | Perso
[12:30] <ubotu> Perso: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[12:31] <Perso> wow now with the old-well-known kubuntu everything is fine...
[12:31] <Perso> :S
[12:31] <ken_fallon> Hi All
[12:31] <Perso> yesterday tryed kde4 remix and almost get mad
[12:31] <ActionParsnip> Perso: sweet
[12:31] <spanther> what do you mean Perso ? :)
[12:31] <Perso> :S
[12:32] <PY> So, no hope for me?
[12:32] <spanther> *doesnt like all this play stuff inside of KDE4 and this ugly black task bar* :P
[12:32] <dystopianray> spanther: play stuff?
[12:32] <spanther> dystopianray, yeah like these gadgets or whatever they are named xD
[12:32] <Perso> I like indeed the way it looks like
[12:33] <PY> Oh, I like them, I think it's neat
[12:33] <Perso> but look is not the thing i look for Iḿ afraid
[12:33] <ActionParsnip> spanther: i like a simple gui too, eyecandy isnt my thing
[12:33] <spanther> i like the slim old design :)
[12:33] <spanther> here too action ^^
[12:33] <ActionParsnip> spanther: i had beryl for a week and got sick of it
[12:34] <PY> Nobody got any idea what's wrong? It booted fine last time
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> PY: tyr apci=off dma=off
[12:35] <PY> buh?
[12:35] <spanther> yeah all these effects are a nice playaround but have no productive sense :) they just slow you down because you'r looking at them xD
[12:35] <PY> Where does that go, then?
[12:35] <Perso> could any body tell me the swedish repo's list please?
[12:35] <spanther> PY he means try :)
[12:35] <Perso> I mean the address
[12:35] <PY> <___<;
[12:35] <PY> Anyway, it won't boot, where do I put it?
[12:35] <Fyl0n> Audacious won't work correctly.. m3u playlists won't work at all
[12:35] <Perso> se.(something)..
[12:36] <spanther> PY behind the kernel as boot parameters
[12:36] <PY> I do that how/where?
[12:36] <spanther> acpi=off and dma=off helped me too once hehe
[12:36] <PY> a) Where do they go? and b)What do they do?
[12:37] <ActionParsnip> py, googling now (unless someone can help out)
[12:37] <dystopianray> PY: is it a laptop or a desktop?
[12:37] <PY> desktop
[12:37] <kaminix> Is there any alternative to the torrent site? It's taking forever to load.
[12:37] <spanther> they disable (acpi) the power management for dynamical cpu throttling and (dma) direct memory access :)
[12:37] <ActionParsnip> dystopianray: i wanna turn of all the apci dma stuff
[12:37] <PY> I see
[12:38] <opuuss> Help now configure IP static ????  :(((((
[12:38] <PY> So, how do I add them as parameters?
[12:38] <opuuss> kd4 8.04?
[12:38] <dystopianray> acpi is more than just cpu throttling, it's a whole bunch of power management related stuff
[12:38] <PY> Meh, power isn't a big deal at the moment
[12:38] <spanther> PY sorry i cant remember :X just try to press this key what comes up so that you can enter something in grub there you can modify the kernel line and write these parameters behind the kernel
[12:39] <ActionParsnip> PY, I think you press esc then you get text boot
[12:39] <PY> XD, ok
[12:39] <spanther> PY its not about power but sometimes ACPI isnt working with your chipset and linux and then you get problems
[12:39] <PY> Ah, ok
[12:39] <ActionParsnip> py, then use "live acpi=off"
[12:39] <ActionParsnip> without quotes
[12:39] <PY> live acpi?
[12:39] <PY> So, what do I input (From the start)
[12:40] <opuuss> Help now configure IP static ????  :(((((
[12:40] <opuuss> kd4 8.04?
[12:40] <PY> magic
[12:40] <spanther> PY dont be that shy just reboot press ESC and look you'll see where you have to put that inside :)
[12:40] <ActionParsnip> PY, esc at the first menu then type live apci=off nodma
[12:41]  * spanther burns kubuntu now
[12:41] <PY> OK, let me find a piece of paper
[12:41] <flipstar> hi, systemsettings>services claims something about 'module system services can't be found'.. any tips .. ?
[12:41] <PY> brb
[12:42] <MachinatorSyver> could anyone help me mount my external, since I upgraded to hardy when I turn my external on, it's no longer detected
[12:43] <opuuss> Help now configure IP static ????  :(((((
[12:43] <fioss> opuuss: Did you try the system settings?
[12:45] <ActionParsnip> opuuss: you can manually edit /etc/network/interfaces if you want. theres loads of docs if you web search
[12:46] <ActionParsnip> opuuss: you'll need sudo or kdesu (depending on your text editor preference)
[12:48] <Perso> is adept broken?
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> !fixapt
[12:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fixapt - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:49] <Fyl0n> ActionParsnip: compiling xmms now.. other players are not that great..
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> !brokenapt
[12:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about brokenapt - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> !apt
[12:49] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> Fyl0n: what message do you get?
[12:49] <khaije1> my X is crashing/hanging when i try to use the new nvidia driver, anyone else seeing this?
[12:50] <Perso> ActionParsnip: I'm afraid the boot... is as lost as me
[12:50] <Perso> :p
[12:50] <spanther> khaije1, whats your videocards name?
[12:50] <Romina> is there any channel on freenode which supports "syndaemon" ?
[12:51] <khaije1> spanther: 8600gt (hardy/amd64)
[12:51] <Fyl0n> ActionParsnip: message? with compiling xmms?
[12:51] <ActionParsnip> Perso: what messages do you get with adept?
[12:51] <ActionParsnip> Fyl0n: i mixed you up with Perso, my bad
[12:51] <Fyl0n> ActionParsnip: np :)
[12:51] <Perso> ActionParsnip: Iḿ afraid it won't come up
[12:52] <Devourer> How do I upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04?
[12:52] <MachinatorSyver> could anyone help me mount my external, since I upgraded to hardy when I turn my external on, it's no longer detected
[12:53] <spanther> Devourer, change your /etc/apt/sources.list from gutsy to hardy (the name entrys there) then apt-get update and then apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:53] <flipstar> spanther: Devourer there is a easy tool for that.. 'update-manager'
[12:53] <flipstar> just hit the update button
[12:53] <flipstar> you cant miss
[12:54] <spanther> flipstar, soo? okay :>
[12:54] <Devourer> flipstar, where do I get to this update-manager?
[12:54] <spanther> you allready have it :)
[12:54] <spanther> just run it with alt+f2
[12:55] <Devourer> Oh.
[12:55] <spanther> alt+f2 then type update-manager
[12:56] <PY> ;_;
[12:56] <spanther> PY awww :(
[12:56] <spanther> didn't that help you :/
[12:56] <PY> Didn't work ;_;
[12:57] <ActionParsnip> PY, any better?
[12:57] <PY> Not in the slightest
[12:57] <spanther> sorry but i dont know other solutions PY :(
[12:57] <PY> :(
[12:57] <ActionParsnip> PY, you may need the alternate iso
[12:57] <flipstar> PY what's the problem .. ?
[12:57] <PY> Won't boot
[12:57] <ActionParsnip> flipstar: he cant get the live cd to boot
[12:57] <PY> It booted first
[12:57] <Devourer> :(
[12:58] <PY> I've installed it through wubi, and it worked once
[12:58] <flipstar> oh..py what graphic card you have ?
[12:58] <spanther> brb i try to boot too ^^"""
[12:58] <PY> ATI radeon X1300PRO
[12:58] <spanther> o.o ATI's fault !
[12:58] <ActionParsnip> oooh
[12:58]  * ActionParsnip listens
[12:58] <spanther> you get a blank screen right PY ?
[12:58] <flipstar> hehe
[12:59] <PY> No
[12:59] <spanther> same here with my ATI X850XT before <.<
[12:59] <spanther> it just wont boot it stops with a blank screen
[12:59] <Eruaran> maybe things will improve now with open drivers
[12:59] <PY> It boots as normal, but on the little bouncing bar, it contines for ages, then freezes and reboots
[12:59] <PY> Really annoying...
[13:00] <Eruaran> ATI driver support for linux sucked for ages before AMD bought them out
[13:00] <Eruaran> Now AMD is working on improving things
[13:00] <PY> Bah...
[13:00] <PY> It's booted fine before, though
[13:00] <Eruaran> Their first step was to open things up
[13:00] <PY> It's not that it simply isn't compatible, it's booted a few time
[13:00] <PY> s
[13:01] <PY> Though neither of those times could I get compiz to turn on
[13:01] <flipstar> py so what did you changed since this started to happen..?
[13:01] <dystopianray> PY: what video card do you have?
[13:01] <PY> Nothing
ATI radeon X1300PRO
[13:02] <dystopianray> ah well non-working compiz on ati is to be expected
[13:02] <PY> ;_;
[13:02] <PY> Still, I wouldn't mind if it would just boot!
[13:02] <maki_d> hi all
[13:02] <ActionParsnip> hi maki_d
[13:02] <maki_d> where is the list of the packages included in the kubuntu dvd ?
[13:03] <flipstar> PY you probably don't have an integrated graphic card or so..?
[13:03] <PY> Nope
[13:03] <PY> It's a real man's card
[13:03] <PY> Few generations old, though
[13:03] <spanther> lol :>
[13:03] <dystopianray> no real man would have ati
[13:03] <PY> XD
[13:03] <Fyl0n> haha rofl
[13:03] <spanther> dystopianray, STOP THAT >.<
[13:04] <dystopianray> lol
[13:04] <praWned> hai. since the kubuntu 8.04 update i cant see any of my ide drives. they arent in /dev
[13:04] <praWned> ive ls | grep h
[13:04] <praWned> and get no hd named drives
[13:04] <ere4si> !lol
[13:04] <ubotu> Please don't use "LOL" and "OMG" and so forth on a regular basis. This is IRC, not IM, and using those lines on their own is not required, and it is rather annoying to the rest of the people in the channel; thanks.
[13:04] <spanther> only real mans fight against the hassle with ATI only littles use nvidia because they know they have less probs to solve ! :P
[13:04] <ActionParsnip> praWned: try sudo fdisk -l
[13:04] <dystopianray> praWned: they may be using the libata drivers now and appear under /dev/sd*
[13:04] <PY> lolomg
[13:05] <praWned> ah now theyre under sdb
[13:05] <flipstar> PY if it isn't the cd itself or acpi i dont know then..
[13:05] <spanther> PY XD
[13:05] <praWned> thanks. but i cant see my cd/dvd drives
[13:05] <dystopianray> praWned: do you have a VIA based board?
[13:05] <PY> Greh, most linux distros don't work properly, but this is the first to say 'screw you'
[13:05] <praWned> um
[13:06] <praWned> nvidia i think
[13:06] <dystopianray> praWned: nforce?
[13:06] <praWned> yeah
[13:06] <praWned> afaik
[13:06] <flipstar> PY maybe you can try 'noapic' as boot options
[13:06] <praWned> nforce2
[13:06] <dystopianray> ok, nevermind then
[13:07] <PY> *sigh* it's gonna be too much trouble, just for a nicer interface and a faster OS... I might just stick with vista...
[13:07] <ActionParsnip> praWned: what if you shove a cd in your drive
[13:07] <praWned> ah that works. they show in media
[13:07] <ActionParsnip> praWned: it should be n /mnt/media
[13:07] <flipstar> PY it's a live cd..not the OS
[13:08] <praWned> ActionParsnip: no such file or dir
[13:08] <PY> I've already installed it, the CD is in the case to my right
[13:08] <praWned> this is someting to do with the new kernel that comes with 8.04 i take it
[13:08] <eagles0513875> hey guys has anyone else experienced thsi that once u have updated ur machine it ends up with a static ip adress of 169.254.8.121 instead of it defaulting to automatic to get ip from dhcp
[13:08] <ActionParsnip> praWned: so put a data cd in and open it with yourfile manager
[13:08] <flipstar> PY you've installed it..? so what happens if you boot into recovery mode ?
[13:08] <ActionParsnip> praWned: it should give you the mount point
[13:09] <PY> It boots up in text-y mode, and freezes when it starts dealing the USBs
[13:09] <eagles0513875> im havving some uber connectivity issues can anyone help me
[13:09] <praWned> yeah it does - /media/<nameofdisc>
[13:10] <eagles0513875> my problem is for some reason the comp seems to be using a static ip address and not getting ip from dhcp
[13:10] <spanther> PY i've heard the new kernel what came out is buggy
[13:10] <ActionParsnip> praWned: then hit the /media folder
[13:10] <PY> oh, that could be it, then
[13:10] <praWned> yeh
[13:10] <flipstar> eagles0513875: try <ifdown -a;ifup -a> and see if you get an ip..
[13:10] <praWned> loads of folders here that dont work any more
[13:11] <praWned> think i need to play with fstab...altho i thought that the update would have sorted that
[13:11] <eagles0513875> flipstar seems like its not defaulting to automatic to use dhcp
[13:11] <PY> Oh, I can't be bothered to download the old version, there was a reason I gave up on it
[13:11] <MachinatorSyver> could anyone help me mount my external, since I upgraded to hardy when I turn my external on, it's no longer detected
[13:11] <Fyl0n> ActionParsnip: If someone asks for XMMS for 8.04.. give them this url :)
[13:11] <Fyl0n> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/i386/xmms/1:1.2.10+20070601-1build2
[13:11] <ActionParsnip> MachinatorSyver: can we have a pastebin of your /etc/fstab
[13:11] <flipstar> MachinatorSyver: systemsettings>advanced>drives
[13:12] <Fyl0n> there's a deb file also.. so no compiling needed
[13:12] <ActionParsnip> Fyl0n: score!!
[13:12] <flipstar> eagles0513875: but dhcp client run´s ?
[13:12] <Fyl0n> YES! :D INDEED :D
[13:12] <praWned> yeah it hasnt updated the fstab atall...how useless
[13:12] <ActionParsnip> Fyl0n: you could always make a deb from the source and put it on a repo (somehow)
[13:12] <eagles0513875> this is weird if u disable ur wlan and eth0 to reenable eth0 u have to enable wlan then it enables eth0
[13:13] <dystopianray> eagles0513875: what do you mean by disable and enable?
[13:13] <jerzyk86> in windows my gf 8800gt its very quaiet because it have auto cooling fan, but in linux its dont work, fan alweys have 100%, how can i make it for 40% ??
[13:13] <eagles0513875> dystopianray in system settings under network setting in admin mode u can disable ur devices
[13:13] <clau30> !install
[13:13] <flipstar> jerzyk86: look for nvclock
[13:13] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in a lot of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall. Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[13:14] <dystopianray> eagles0513875: oh, i never used it
[13:14] <flipstar> jerzyk86: maybe nvclock-gtk if you like the gui
[13:14] <MachinatorSyver> flipstar: do you mean disk & filesystems?
[13:14] <flipstar> MachinatorSyver: yes
[13:14] <MachinatorSyver> ActionParsnip:
[13:14] <jerzyk86> ok THX
[13:14] <MachinatorSyver> ActionParsnip: /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec 0 0
[13:14] <MachinatorSyver> /dev/scd1 /media/cdrom1 udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec 0 0
[13:14] <MachinatorSyver> /dev/sda1 /media/windows ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0
[13:15] <ActionParsnip> jerzyk86: That bug was resolved in the 169.09 drivers. Fan control works. The fan control bug was in 169.07. You can also use nvclock to further adjust it if you wish.
[13:15] <kaminix^> If I have 2 gigabyte ram... do I even need a swap?
[13:15] <praWned> once ive changed the fstab, how do i make the system reread it again?
[13:15] <MachinatorSyver> i do see the external in the disk & filesystems
[13:15] <dystopianray> kaminix^: do you wish to hibernate your machine at some point?
[13:15] <flipstar> kaminix^: it's better you have it :)
[13:15] <ActionParsnip> praWned: not sure, let me search
[13:16] <kaminix^> dystopianray: Usually not... don't even think I trust the hibernation function in Linux after what I've heard.
[13:16] <dystopianray> kaminix^: ok then, if you ever use hibernate the hiberante image is stored in swap
[13:16] <Fyl0n> ActionParsnip: yes I know.. but I don't know how exactly.. but anyways.. got XMMS to work on hardy.. and I;m super happy :D
[13:16] <ActionParsnip> praWned: sudo mount -a
[13:16] <kaminix^> flipstar: Why?
[13:16] <ActionParsnip> Fyl0n: awesome :)
[13:16] <praWned> ty
[13:17] <MachinatorSyver> flipstar: the external is in drives but I don't know how to enable it
[13:17] <flipstar> kaminix^: to have a place to lay things out if ram is full
[13:17] <flipstar> MachinatorSyver: click on admin mode then click on activate
[13:18] <eagles0513875> this isnt working i just restarted my machine adn now its back to a static ip which i dont even use to get on the net
[13:18] <dystopianray> kaminix^: keep in mind that 2GB isn't that much in today's world, 2GB is the standard spec, maybe if you had 4GB it'd be impressive
[13:18] <eagles0513875> im running 2.6.24.16 kernel and prior to this upgrade i wasnt having this issue
[13:18] <ActionParsnip> dystopianray: depends on what you use your system for
[13:18] <flipstar> eagles0513875: is you /etc/network/interfaces correct ?
[13:18] <eagles0513875> flipstar what u mean
[13:18] <flipstar> eagles0513875: just pastebin it
[13:19] <eagles0513875> flipstar its seeing my eth0 and wlan cards
[13:19] <eagles0513875> flipstar should i download the released version and reinstall using it instead of the release client
[13:19] <flipstar> eagles0513875: so says it something about dhcp ?
[13:19] <Fyl0n> ActionParsnip: yes you are.. you gave a me start url.. :)
[13:19] <Fyl0n> thanx for the support..! (i'm out.. off to go home..)
[13:19] <eagles0513875> right now its enabled but it has a static ip address i cant even use dhcp it seems like cuz its defaulting back to a randomly generated static ip
[13:19] <ActionParsnip> peace out dude, spread the love
[13:19] <dthacker> eagles0513875: if you don't pastebin /etc/network/interfaces we're just guessing
[13:20] <Fyl0n> :D
[13:20] <eagles0513875> dthacker im on my windows laptop
[13:20] <eagles0513875> i have no connection on it
[13:20] <MachinatorSyver> flipstar: thank you that fixed it
[13:20] <flipstar> eagles0513875: it should look like this
[13:20] <flipstar> auto eth0
[13:20] <flipstar> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[13:20] <dthacker> eagles0513875: does the random address start with a 169?
[13:20] <praWned> rofl. now. when i press the volume up and down keys on my keyboard. the master volume goes up and down. but only the pcm fader actually reduces ior increases the volume
[13:21] <eagles0513875> dthacker yes
[13:21] <dthacker> then you probably have a failed request for DHCP.
[13:21] <flipstar> praWned: key's in kmix mixed up ?
[13:21] <eagles0513875> dthacker what u mean
[13:21] <praWned> well, no. it adjusts the right fader. but the master fader has no effect on the output
[13:21] <dthacker> eagles0513875: Your computer requested and address from your DHCP server but did not get one.
[13:22] <praWned> only the pcm fader does. which makes sense in a way. but the master should affect everything
[13:22] <eagles0513875> dthacker how do i remedy the situation
[13:22] <dthacker> eagles0513875: start at the beginning.   wireless or wired connectivity?
[13:22] <praWned> even if i press mute. the ui shows muted. but i still hear musics
[13:22] <eagles0513875> dthacker wired
[13:22] <praWned> and any system sound for that matter
[13:23] <eagles0513875> dthacker through a small 5 port switch to my cable modem
[13:23] <praWned> only 1 sound card...
[13:23] <dthacker> eagles0513875: does your switch assign DHCP, or do you get it from the cable company?
[13:23] <eagles0513875> cable company
[13:23] <flipstar> praWned: maybe a bug 118723 ?
[13:24] <flipstar> !ping
[13:24] <ubotu> ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore
[13:24] <flipstar> !bug 118723
[13:24] <eagles0513875> #118723
[13:24] <flipstar> hm ***** bot
[13:24] <eagles0513875> flipstar i think that only works in teh dev channel
[13:24] <MachinatorSyver> anyone know what might cause my storage media folder to freeze at loading directory... 0%
[13:25] <eagles0513875> dthacker any solutions to my issue
[13:26] <ActionParsnip> not error ID10T ;)
[13:26] <dthacker> eagles0513875: ok good.   In /etc/network/interfaces, you should just have a couple of lines.  for eth0
[13:26] <dthacker> first line: auto eth0
[13:26] <eagles0513875> dthacker i only have loop back interface in there
[13:26] <dthacker> eagles0513875: can you add these two lines manually?
[13:27] <eagles0513875> dthacker i can i dont mind having to do a complete reinstall
[13:27] <dthacker> eagles0513875: but this is so much simpler :)
[13:27] <eagles0513875> dthacker what do i need to add
[13:27] <flipstar> eagles0513875: this are just two lines @_@
[13:28] <eagles0513875> lol
[13:28] <eagles0513875> dthacker what do u want me to add and 2ndly seems like my loop back is set to auto
[13:28] <dthacker> eagles0513875: first line "auto eth0"
[13:28] <eagles0513875> dthacker and remove auto from infront of lo
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> dthacker, eagles0513875: here is an examplehttp://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/setting-up-an-network-interfaces-file/
[13:29] <dthacker> eagles0513875: No!  leave lo as it is
[13:29] <eagles0513875> it has auto in front of it
[13:29] <flipstar> eagles0513875: that doesn't hurt..just leave it there
[13:30] <eagles0513875> dthacker next
[13:30] <dthacker> eagles0513875: secodn line "iface eth0 inet dhcp"
[13:30] <eagles0513875> dthacker done
[13:31] <tomwitt> Hi all.  What application allows choosing/selecting the monitor (to allow screen resolution updates)?
[13:31] <dthacker> eagles0513875: now issue "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart"
[13:31] <Worf> stupid question: is kubuntu 8.04 a live cd? or a "install-only" cd?
[13:31] <Jucato> Worf: there are 2 versions
[13:32] <Jucato> Desktop CD (Live) and Alternate CD (text-based installer)
[13:32] <flipstar> Worf: there are live cd's , install-only cd's and dvd's which contain both :)
[13:32] <Worf> aaargh
[13:32] <dthacker> aargh?
[13:32] <Worf> now i notice that i downloaded the wrong file
[13:32] <dystopianray> Worf: which one did you get?
[13:32]  * dthacker sympathizes
[13:33] <Worf> kubuntu-8.04-alternate-i386.iso ... not what i wanted it seems :)
[13:33] <eagles0513875> dthacker it says no working leases in persistent database im goign to reboot and see if it fixes anything
[13:33] <Jucato> well.. the alternate cd has uses :)
[13:33] <Jucato> (you can use the CD as an offline repository so you can upgrade part of your system with it)
[13:33] <Worf> sure ... i now see, the mirror i got the image from does not yet have the desktop cd on
[13:34] <flipstar> alternate cd can also be used to repair the system
[13:35] <eagles0513875> flipstar what bout upgrade
[13:35] <dthacker> eagles0513875: the means you're not getting through to the cable company to get a DHCP address. Check your cable and the switch and make sure everything is physically connected properly.
[13:35] <eagles0513875> dthacker it is
[13:37] <eagles0513875> dthacker its not seeing my network card what so ever n ow
[13:37] <eagles0513875> ill be back in a lil while
[13:37] <asdfe> dang, hey eagles0513875
[13:37] <dthacker> ok, I have to go to work eagles0513875, so try with someone else, sorry I couldn;t help
[13:37] <eagles0513875> dthacker its ok im goign to reinstall and see if i ahve the same issue
[13:40] <halcyonCorsair> hey, can anyone tell me how ubuntu sets up partitioning when you use the guided setup?
[13:42] <flipstar> systemsettings>services claims something about 'module system services can't be found'.. any tips .. ?
[13:43] <billybobobo> Hello.  I am running Kubuntu Beta 5.  Are there any major changes that I should know or reasons I should reinstall to the final 8.04?  In particular, my networking is horribly slow...
[13:44] <Jucato> billybobobo: no need to reinstall. if you've just upgraded daily since you installed beta 5, you'll be in final now
[13:44] <Worf> billybobobo: don't reinstall, just upgrade. however - a slow network propably is a totally different problem
[13:45] <spanther> yay i am on linux :D
[13:45] <Jucato> slow network + hammered servers = just try after a few days
[13:45] <Dragnslcr> Anyone know where the md5sum is for the DVD image?
[13:45] <immesys> Hey, this is a simple question but um, how do I move my task panel from one screen to another?
[13:45] <flipstar> Dragnslcr: same place where the images are
[13:46] <Dragnslcr> The only link from the downloads page is to the torrent files
[13:46] <flipstar> i'll check this..
[13:46] <Jucato> isn't the md5sum included in it?
[13:46] <billybobobo> Jucato, that was my thoughts, thanks.  But why would I be having such difficult networking?  DNS resolution is poor; webpage loading is slow; torrent downloading of Kubuntu 8.04 Final is slow;  I cannot connect to the irc.ubuntu.com site (I am connected here through Freenode); trying to remote-ssh into my 8.04 system takes minutes to prompt for a password...
[13:47] <Jucato> billybobobo: not really sure..
[13:47] <billybobobo> IPv6?  how does one turn that off?
[13:47] <billybobobo> or is that unlikely to be the cause?
[13:47] <Dragnslcr> Found it
[13:47] <Dragnslcr> http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/ubuntu-cdimage/kubuntu/releases/8.04/release/MD5SUMS
[13:47] <Dragnslcr> It's the Ireland mirror
[13:48] <flipstar> billybobobo: you can easily set up a dns cache to improve this..
[13:48] <flipstar> billybobobo: you have a wireless connection ?
[13:48] <Dragnslcr> Personally, I think putting the md5 sums somewhere more obvious on the downloads page would be nice
[13:49] <billybobobo> flipstar: no, wired
[13:49] <Worf> well, torrent does check integrity itself, doesn't it?
[13:49] <flipstar> jep
[13:50] <flipstar> billybobobo: please visit this site http://www.speedguide.net:8080/
[13:50] <immesys> How do I add a panel to dock my widgets onto?
[13:50] <spanther> second life won't run :( somebody maybe know a running build for linux?
[13:50] <fioss> immesys: kde3?
[13:50] <immesys> fioss: kde4
[13:51] <billybobobo> flipstar: what would you like to know from my results?
[13:51] <flipstar> billybobobo: is anything red ?
[13:53] <immesys> I have a dual monitor setup and the wrong screen has the task bar, how do I move it/ create another one.. I'm sure you could just drag it in kde3...
[13:53] <flipstar> immesys: »» #kubuntu-kde4
[13:54] <immesys> flipstar: okay
[13:55] <phil_> Hi
[13:55] <tekteen> hi
[13:56] <Eruaran> hi
[13:56] <boboBo> hi
[13:56] <phil_> I can't seem to upgrade with the Australian servers in my list
[13:56] <phil_> and I can't change the list because I dont know how to get permission
[13:57] <phil_> does anyone know a site that explains what to do?
[13:57] <SlimeyPete> you can change repo servers using the menu in Adept
[13:57] <Lynoure> phil_: sudo gives some error?
[13:58] <phil_> well I tried to edit it with a text editor but it wouldn't let me save
[13:58] <Lynoure> phil_: if not, you can modify the repo list e.g. by   sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:58] <Lynoure> phil_: the password it asks is your own
[13:58] <flipstar> phil_: just do it in adept its much easier
[13:58] <boboBo> Jucato and flipstar -- great example, perhaps.  But irc.ubuntu.com just connected after a 5m wait, and then forced my name to change (I'm not registered).  But a 5m pause to connect?  And if I go over to that channel, it tells me there are 0 nicks connected, but here through the freenode channel I see 358 people.
[13:59] <cdvdt> only root can do that
[13:59] <flipstar> phil_: just click on software sources and choose your mirror in adept
[13:59] <cdvdt> uograde to hardy is secure?
[14:00] <flipstar> sure
[14:00] <phil_> ok I used adept and switched to "main server", hoping I wont keep geing timeouts now
[14:00] <cdvdt> thx
[14:00] <spanther> cdvdt:  you better backup your pc ever ;)
[14:00] <eagles0513875> im goign to try fix my problem with a reinstall and see if its a kernel bug
[14:00] <flipstar> phil_: main server might also be under pretty pressure
[14:00] <spanther> yay lol :D now after installing the 32bit libs i can start second life nice
[14:00] <phil_> ahh so it's just everyone jumping on the upgrade
[14:01] <cdvdt> I'd install gutsy a week ago, just to upgrade now
[14:01] <flipstar> o_O
[14:02] <tekteen> I will hold off till the weekend to upgrade
[14:02] <tekteen> this way I can download from the repos without dying of old age
[14:02] <flipstar> boboBo: seems like something is very wrong with your connection..what did the website show ?
[14:02] <JackWinter> i changed the order of my soundcards by adding options snd slots=snd-hda-intel,snd-hdsp to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.  jack sees the interfaces in the right order.  only problem is that i lost sound in kde, second life and amarok..?
[14:02] <flipstar> tekteen: you can use the cd's from torrent ;)
[14:03] <phil_> yeah right the main servedr is a slug atm
[14:03] <tekteen> flipstar: I have the cds
[14:03] <tekteen> flipstar: but then what? I will then have to wait to get my old programs back
[14:03] <cdvdt> teh
[14:05] <flipstar> tekteen: as long as you don't reinstall the old programs will be kept..?
[14:05] <Shaisuke> i have a question
[14:05] <tekteen> Some would need to be upgraded from the repo
[14:06] <tekteen> !ask|Shaisuke
[14:06] <ubotu> Shaisuke: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[14:06] <Shaisuke> does kubuntu 8.04 come with firefox 3 beta 5
[14:06] <Shaisuke> sorry
[14:06] <tekteen> I think so
[14:06] <tekteen> no
[14:06] <tekteen> you have to download it
[14:06] <spanther> Shaisuke: yes :)
[14:06] <flipstar> tekteen: sure but you can disbale all repo's except the cd..and update the rest later
[14:06] <spanther> you just have to install it
[14:06] <Shaisuke> ok
[14:06] <Shaisuke> i can use adept for it right?
[14:06] <tekteen> Shaisuke: yes
[14:06] <spanther> Shaisuke:  its in the repos officially just install package "firefox"
[14:07] <Shaisuke> nice thanks
[14:07] <tekteen> Shaisuke: kubuntu never came with firefox
[14:07] <flipstar> thats a shame btw !
[14:07] <tomwitt> Hi all.  What application in KDE allows selecting/changing the monitor?
[14:07] <tekteen> yep... but true
[14:07] <Shaisuke> w3ell as least i can install it without compiling anything
[14:07] <Shaisuke> well
[14:08] <phil_> is there an easy way to make youtube videos work with firefox on kubuntu?
[14:08] <tekteen> Shaisuke: ubuntu comes with it
[14:08] <flipstar> Shaisuke: even the mozilla website handles out binary's ;)
[14:08] <Shaisuke> yeah but aren't there tar files
[14:09] <flipstar> yep..binary's in a tar file :)
[14:09] <Shaisuke> ok
[14:09] <phil_> scratch that.. it's working... somehow
[14:09] <Shaisuke> so i extract it then what
[14:09] <tekteen> Shaisuke: not worth it
[14:09] <dystopianray> phil_: install flash
[14:09] <tekteen> upgrade then use adept
[14:09] <flipstar> Shaisuke: just click it :) but just use adept_manager..
[14:09] <Shaisuke> ok
[14:10] <yao_ziyua1> yao_z
[14:10] <yao_ziyua1> sorry
[14:10] <yao_ziyua1> ﻿what is the best dictionary program for linux? except stardict
[14:10] <flipstar> kdict :)
[14:10] <Shaisuke> thanks guys
[14:10] <flipstar> yao_ziyua1: it based on dictd
[14:11] <yao_ziyua1> flipstar: i already use it. but it can't get a word from the screen automatically
[14:11] <flipstar> yao_ziyua1: what do you mean ? afaik you have to enter the word in the dialog..
[14:11] <jonah> hey guys a few issues with kde4 i was hoping someoen could help me out. when i make the panel small or tiny the digital clock is too big for it. and also how do you move the widget button from top corner to the bottom so i can have my panel at the top without it covering it over? thanks for any help
[14:11] <spanther> i've disabled the soundsystem allready but still have no sound :( my soundcard is shown in mixer and everyhings at 100% :(
[14:12] <flipstar> spanther: intelhda ?
[14:12] <yao_ziyua1> jonah: point your mouse on any word on the screen and the dictionary automatically shows a pop-up window containing its meanings
[14:12] <spanther> flipstar: Nvidia MCP65
[14:12] <jonah> yao_ziyua1: what??
[14:13] <spanther> flipstar: its named HDA NVidia
[14:13] <yao_ziyua1> jonah: like a tooltip
[14:13] <flipstar> spanther: just type (or paste) <lspci|grep -i audio> in a shell
[14:13] <ere4si> jonah: kde4 talk in #kubuntu-kde4
[14:14] <jonah> thanks
[14:14] <flipstar> spanther: if it's a !intelhda you might have to follow the !intelhda guide
[14:14] <spanther> flipstar: like i said.. nVidia Corporation MCP65 High Definition Audio (rev a1)
[14:15] <flipstar> !intelhda | spanther then look here and follow these instructionz
[14:15] <ubotu> spanther then look here and follow these instructionz: For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[14:15] <richard> #christian
[14:15] <richard> join #christian
[14:15] <richard> hello
[14:15] <spanther> flipstar: I DONT HAVE INTEL !!
[14:15] <spanther> omg...
[14:16] <flipstar> spanther: nvm it's probably the same
[14:16] <spanther> youre sure?
[14:16] <flipstar> no, but it's not intel specific or so
[14:16] <flipstar> and it probably won't destroy your system or so
[14:18] <ha|0> hello, I'm having trouble writing to a particular partition, but with only one program.  I have to run it as root for it to work, though the folder is owned by my user.  Any thoughts?
[14:19] <ha|0> ne1?
[14:19] <vaneck> jour
[14:20] <tomwitt> is there an ubuntu/kubuntu equiv to 'yum whatprovides'?
[14:22] <flipstar> tomwitt: it's apt-get here..<sudo apt-get install whatever> for e.g.
[14:22] <flipstar> tomwitt: adept_manager is the graphical variant
[14:23] <tomwitt> thanks
[14:23] <flipstar> you're welcome :)
[14:26] <spanther> flipstar: sudo make failed
[14:26] <spanther> part Compile and install alsa-driver
[14:27] <spanther> !alsa
[14:27] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[14:28] <halll0> can anyone help me with a permissions problem?
[14:28] <tekteen> halll0: sure
[14:28] <ActionParsnip> sup halll0
[14:28] <halll0> thanks guys
[14:29] <tekteen> we haven't helped you yet :-)
[14:29] <flipstar> spanther: just pastebin all your steps
[14:29] <halll0> I'm trying to dl to a partition that owned by my user
[14:29] <halll0> ;)
[14:29] <tekteen> ok
[14:29] <halll0> SABnzbd won't cooperate and won't write to that folder unless I run it as root
[14:29] <spanther> flipstar: i did it how the tutorial said and it failed so this tutorial didnt work i had no typos
[14:29] <tekteen> where is the partition mounted?
[14:29] <flipstar> spanther: you extracted it and so ?
[14:30] <spanther> flipstar: sure Oo
[14:30] <halll0> @tekteen: /media/data/
[14:30] <spanther> i said i did it like in the howto so why do you ask for this
[14:30] <flipstar> spanther: if you'd followed the tutorial it wouldn't fail
[14:30] <spanther> it does fail !
[14:30] <flipstar> spanther: had you compiled before on this pc ?
[14:31] <tekteen> halll0: open a konsole and type ls -l /media/dat*
[14:31] <spanther> no i havent but i've installed headers and kernel sources like tutor said also
[14:31] <tekteen> halll0: what is the output?
[14:31] <halll0> it lists the contents of that directory
[14:32] <halll0> all owned by me
[14:32] <tekteen> halll0: I want to see it :-)
[14:32] <halll0> ok, can I post a screenshot somewhere or something?
[14:32] <tekteen> copy and paste it
[14:33] <halll0> here?
[14:33] <ere4si> !paste
[14:33] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[14:33] <tekteen> it should be one line
[14:33] <affan> hi everyone, i upgraded to 8.10 but my wireless stopped working... i try to enable the interface in settings but it gets disabled immediately... any clues? thanks!
[14:33] <halll0> ah...gottit
[14:33] <ActionParsnip> affan: can we have a pastebin of your lspci output
[14:34] <flipstar> affan: wow! 8.10 pre alpha will be released in june ..
[14:34] <flipstar> affan: how did you get it ?
[14:34] <affan> sorry flipstar, whatever the latest one is :P
[14:34] <halll0> tekteen: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64363/
[14:35] <tekteen> halll0: now do ls -l /media
[14:35] <tekteen> and pastebin it
[14:35] <ActionParsnip> !paste | tekteen
[14:35] <ubotu> tekteen: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[14:36] <tekteen> ActionParsnip: I know what pastebin is
[14:36] <tekteen> ActionParsnip: what was that for?
[14:36] <halll0> tekteen: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64364/
[14:36] <halll0> hmmm...seems root owns all other mount points
[14:36] <spanther> flipstar: nForce520 chipset with AMD64 Kubuntu version and MCP65 chipset nvidia high definition audio
[14:37] <Bauldrick> why is hardy not recognising any of monitors (they all show up as P&P)
[14:37] <ActionParsnip> tekteen: i misread now as how
[14:37] <ActionParsnip> tekteen: my bad
[14:37] <tekteen> ActionParsnip: np
[14:37] <tekteen> halll0: maybe it is mounted read-only
[14:37] <affan> ActionParsnip: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8042/
[14:38] <tekteen> halll0: pastebin the output of the command "mount"
[14:38] <ActionParsnip> affan: so you have a Broadcom Corporation BCM4306
[14:38] <halll0> tekteen: I don't think it is...this is the only program that won't write to it, non-root
[14:38] <ActionParsnip> affan: if you run ifconfig does the device show up?
[14:38] <floodis> I have the problem with the lost of the sound too. So if anyone finds a sure way of solving this please notify the rest of us.
[14:39] <tekteen> halll0: I am saying you mounted the partition as read only
[14:39] <tekteen> can root write to it?
[14:39] <affan> yes but only interface eth0... not eth1 which is the wireless interface
[14:39] <halll0> tekteen: yes, root can write to it
[14:39] <tekteen> ok
[14:39] <halll0> tekteen: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64365/
[14:39] <affan> ActionParsnip: yes but only interface eth0... not eth1 which is the wireless interface
[14:40] <flipstar> krdc and krdc-kde4 constantly crash...are there better/other programs ??
[14:40] <flipstar> krdc-kde4 crashes a little fewer but also crashes :(
[14:40] <ActionParsnip> affan: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=340689
[14:41] <tekteen> halll0: try this command: touch /media/data/test.txt
[14:41] <tekteen> halll0: this will tell me if your use can write at all
[14:41] <halll0> tekteen: it creates test.txt
[14:41] <tekteen> ok
[14:41] <ActionParsnip> affan: dont compile ndiswrapper though, get it from repos
[14:41] <tekteen> so you can write to the partition
[14:41] <tekteen> what is the problem again?
[14:42] <tekteen> what program was having issues?
[14:42] <Pennycook> I've just run into a problem with my LyX install, apparently listings.sty is missing. I've found the file, but have no idea where Kubuntu stores TeX information, or if there's a tool for configuring LaTeX. Does anybody know?
[14:43] <tekteen> halll0: are you trying to download a file?
[14:43] <affan> ActionParsnip: i remember last time when in installed kubuntu i did not have to use ndiswrapper, it just worked somehow
[14:43] <halll0> tekteen: yes, I'm using SABnzbd, a usenet binary downloader
[14:43] <ActionParsnip> hmmm, well i know broadcom dont make drivers due to them sucking
[14:43] <tekteen> ok
[14:44] <tekteen> halll0: what error does it give
[14:44] <tekteen> ?
[14:44] <halll0> hmmm...lemme check it again
[14:47] <halll0> tekteen: sorry, I'm having to look through a log file to find it
[14:47] <tekteen> np
[14:48] <nappula> anyone using rtl8185 in 8.04? 'cause mine is broken
[14:49] <halll0> tekteen: I'm going to try to dl something small to reproduce the error
[14:49] <ActionParsnip> affan: i'd go through that guide and use ndiswrapper, should be ok
[14:49] <flipstar> how can i ask for an user interaction in a bash script ?
[14:50] <tekteen> flipstar: echo "tell me this"; read VARIABLE
[14:50] <flipstar> thx, will try this
[14:51] <ActionParsnip> nappula: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/55905
[14:51] <tekteen> flipstar: you can have them on seperate lines
[14:51] <tekteen> flipstar: and I like to put a echo -n ">" before the read command
[14:52] <halll0> tekteen: basically when I run it non-root it gives an error saying it can't create the destination folder
[14:52] <nappula> ActionParsnip: I don't think that's my problem, it was working fine on 7.10
[14:53] <nappula> I can't even bring the card down
[14:53] <tekteen> halll0: try mkdir /media/data/test
[14:53] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[14:54] <tekteen> BluesKaj: yo\
[14:54] <jonah> ok i'm trying to import email into kmail, can anyone please help. my old emails were in evolution. the kmail website says to go to tools, import but no such menu entry exists so that's no good
[14:54] <ActionParsnip> nappula: http://www.experts-exchange.com/OS/Linux/Q_23136906.html
[14:55] <tekteen> halll0:  you there?
[14:55] <halll0> tekteen: yep, sorry.  It works
[14:55] <halll0> it makes the directory "test"
[14:55] <tekteen> halll0: where does it try to save it?
[14:56] <nappula> ActionParsnip: well I had them installed already on 7.10 just after upgrading they don't work anymore
[14:56] <BluesKaj> so far Hardy seems quite good but have to use the 3 finger salute to shut down
[14:56] <tekteen> halll0: does it put it in a sub directory
[14:56] <halll0> tekteen: /media/data/test
[14:56] <ActionParsnip> nappula: reinstall
[14:56] <ActionParsnip> nappula: the driver
[14:56] <tekteen> halll0: try to save the files to the folder /media/data/test/
[14:57] <tekteen> it may be that the first time you ran it, it was root
[14:57] <tekteen> so it created the directories as root
[14:57] <BluesKaj> nope , happened twice
[14:58] <halll0> tekteen:  I created file text.txt in dir /media/data/test/ without using sudo
[14:58] <tekteen> halll0: try to download whatever it was using sabnzbd
[14:59] <nappula> ActionParsnip: tried it, didn't help
[15:00] <ActionParsnip> nappula: then im out. sorry
[15:01] <halll0> tekteen: yep, same error: 2008-04-25 14:59:37,100::INFO::[assembler] Creating directories: /media/data/usenet/.sabnzb/download/DIR 2008-04-25 14:59:37,101::ERROR::[assembler] Failed making (/media/data/usenet/.sabnzb/download/DIR
[15:01] <halll0> OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/media/data/usenet/.sabnzb/download/DIR
[15:02] <tekteen> try the command mkdir -p /media/data/usenet/.sabnzb/download then try it
[15:02] <halll0> tekteen: yep, it exists
[15:03] <tekteen> halll0: ok
[15:03] <tekteen> is there anything in that folder?
[15:04] <tekteen> anything important?
[15:04] <halll0> no, nothing, but I just saw something...hold on
[15:04] <jonah> hello does anyone know how to do this? thanks
[15:05] <halll0> tekteen: I'm a muppet...that's why you don't troubleshoot after only 1 hrs sleep
[15:06] <halll0> tekteen: the dir /media/data/usenet/.sabnzbd/download/ was owned by root.  I changed it to my user and it works now
[15:06] <tekteen> halll0: I was about to tell you to do that
[15:06] <halll0> tekteen: many, many thanks ;)
[15:06] <tekteen> lol
[15:06] <halll0> heh heh
[15:06] <tekteen> bye
[15:06] <halll0> cheers, bye
[15:07] <halll0> exit
[15:09] <xiaohx> join #kubuntu-kde4
[15:09] <BluesKaj> I'm wondering how to link google-earth beta (which requires permission to launch) to the desktop withou having to open the file with root everytime I want to use it ?
[15:10] <BluesKaj> tried a system link from the desktop ,but all it did was open the path to the file and ask me if I wanted to execute
[15:12] <Eruaran> Has anyone had aspec ratio issues with 8.04 ?
[15:12] <Eruaran> Can't get high enough screen rez or aspect ratio on wide monitors ?
[15:12] <nappula> and I can see the card on my iwconfig and the mode is auto even though it should be managed but I can't get the card down to change the mode
[15:13] <Lynoure> Eruaran: might be about your specific video card
[15:14] <BluesKaj> !iwconfig
[15:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about iwconfig - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:14] <Eruaran> Lynoure: nVidia GeForce 8500 GT 512 MB
[15:15] <consfearacy> which is better: ubuntu or kubuntu?
[15:15] <Eruaran> kubuntu
[15:16] <genii> nappula: Have you tried something like: sudo ifconfig <devname> down; sudo iwconfig <devname> mode managed; sudo ifconfig <devname> up                      ?
[15:16] <genii> consfearacy: Diffrent strokes fer diffrent folks
[15:17] <genii> (better is subjective, according to how you like to work or so on)
[15:17] <consfearacy> i am downloading the kde4 kubuntu to try it out
[15:18] <Lynoure> Eruaran: I don't use Nvidia at all, but someone who does could know better
[15:18] <Braeloch> Kubuntu will not display properly. It recognizes the 1440 x 990 resolution but the aspect ratio is all wrong; everything is set to the right-hand side of the screen, only taking up about 85% of my monitor.
[15:19] <Eruaran> Braeloch: that sounds familiar
[15:20] <Braeloch> Eruaran: I'm Ryft (but 'Ryft' is already registered by someone else here).
[15:20] <Eruaran> I know :P
[15:21] <nappula> genii: yes I tried, but ifconfig down doesn't do anything,
[15:23] <jonah> hi can anyone please tell me how to import evolution emails into kmail 1.9.9
[15:23] <Eruaran> Braeloch: This seems to be a problem specific to this graphics card only...
[15:24] <Braeloch> Eruaran: That's messed up, considering the ubiquity of nVidia.
[15:25] <Eruaran> Braeloch: Its nVidia's fault
[15:25] <Braeloch> Eruaran: And I can't exactly afford to go out and buy a new video card... *sigh*
[15:25] <Braeloch> Damn it.
[15:26] <Braeloch> "Go with nVidia," everyone told me.
[15:26] <Eruaran> Braeloch: I'm still googling for something, anything... I don't know of any problems with other nVidia cards
[15:27] <Braeloch> Eruaran: Oh, you mean it's just this particular nVidia card, then? The 8500 GT?
[15:27] <Eruaran> Braeloch: The 8500GT it seems
[15:28] <Eruaran> Braeloch: have you tried using nVidia's drivers from their site ?
[15:28] <Braeloch> Doesn't that just figure... lol
[15:28] <BluesKaj> Braeloch, I find it disappointing when ppl tell others to get a new graphics card..my motto is : if it works in windows then there's no excuse for it not to work in linux ...to me that's a cop out
[15:28] <khaije1> oh hello, someone else having trouble w/ nvidia under hardy?
[15:28] <Eruaran> BluesKaj: I didn't tell him to get a new graphics card thanks
[15:28] <Lynoure> BluesKaj: sometimes it's the manufacturers that cop out..
[15:28] <khaije1> i'm having trouble w/ a 8600gt, X either seizes or crashes
[15:28] <Braeloch> BluesKaj: I feel the same way.
[15:29] <Braeloch> khaije1: Not Hardy, no.
[15:29] <Eruaran> Just for good measure, nVidia's drivers were responsible for a quarter of Vista problems last year
[15:29] <Eruaran> Its not just Linux users who are affected
[15:30] <BluesKaj> Eruaran, I didn't mention any names , merely commenting on what seems to be prevalent attitude towards some hardware
[15:30] <Eruaran> BluesKaj: k
[15:31] <BluesKaj> yeah, we all suffer from poor linux hardware support in one way or another
[15:31] <Eruaran> If the ATI situation continues to improve and the nVidia situation continues like this, I may just switch when I upgrade next.
[15:31] <Braeloch> Eruaran: This driver is newer than the last time I updated. I'm grabbing it now.
[15:32] <Eruaran> Braeloch: ok
[15:32] <Eruaran> Braeloch: let us know how you go with it
[15:32] <Braeloch> Eruaran: Yeah, will do.
[15:33] <BluesKaj> well, I have elcheapo ati onboard graphics and I'm qiuite happy so far with Hardy's restricted default driver performance. If frame rate on fgl_glxgears is any indicator , it increase by 50% from gutsy.
[15:34] <Eruaran> Funny thing is, with open source drivers we can expect ATI/AMD graphics to work with GNU/Linux distro's "out of the box" pretty much in the next 12 months... If nVidia doesn't move to compete with this then things could really shift strongly toward AMD for GNU users.
[15:35] <Eruaran> BluesKaj: yes I've never had any trouble
[15:35] <Braeloch> Rebooting. See you in the other channel, Eruaran.
[15:35] <Eruaran> Braeloch: k
[15:35] <_stijn_> hey
[15:36] <Eruaran> hi
[15:37]  * _stijn_ has a problem
[15:37] <_stijn_> I'm installing kubuntu 7.10
[15:37] <BluesKaj> Eruaran, I tried a Hardy RC a week ago and it was terrible , no DRI 0r 3D , so I was reluctant to upgrade , but I "succumbed to the pressure" and am pleasantly surprised.
[15:37] <nappula> don't we all?
[15:37] <_stijn_> but on the fourth step, it doesn't load the HDD
[15:37] <Eruaran> BluesKaj: some of what I'm hearing has discouraged me from upgrading so far
[15:38] <BluesKaj> Eruaran, the 'issues' I have are pretty minor so far.
[15:38] <Eruaran> I have kubuntu-kde4 on disk ready to install
[15:39] <nappula> well my wireless isn't working, that's pretty major imo
[15:39] <BluesKaj> !wireless | nappula
[15:39] <ubotu> nappula: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[15:40] <_stijn_> anyone?
[15:41] <nappula> BluesKaj: yupyup, doesn't help, problem appeared after upgrading.
[15:42] <BluesKaj> _stijn_, the partitioning step?
[15:42] <flipstar> hello.. systemsettings>services claims something about 'module system services can't be found'.. any tips .. ?
[15:42] <_stijn_> yes BluesKaj
[15:42] <_stijn_> it scannes the HDD
[15:42] <_stijn_> and when its 100% it stops
[15:42] <BluesKaj> sorry nappula , not wireless user ...all cat5 in my house
[15:43] <_stijn_> I never had that problem before, I'm installing it on my sisters pc
[15:43] <``\> hi
[15:44] <BluesKaj> _stijn_, are you choosing to overwrite/format an existing partition ?
[15:44] <``\> kubuntu 8.04 isn't suppose to have kde4 by default ?
[15:44] <_stijn_> I can't choose the disk
[15:44] <_stijn_> because the intall doesn't show the HDD
[15:45] <BluesKaj> _stijn_, go back one step , if possible, and try manual partitoning
[15:45] <_stijn_> manual with qparted?
[15:46] <flipstar> !khardy | ``\
[15:46] <ubotu> ``\: Kubuntu Hardy Heron expects to ship with both KDE 3 and KDE 4 as 2 separate disks. KDE 3 should be offered by shipit. The KDE 3 CD will be commercially supported for 18 months and KDE 4 will be community supported
[15:46] <BluesKaj> oh sorry , thought you were using the live cd
[15:47] <``\> flipstar: i downloaded the iso there were only one on releases.ubuntu.com
[15:47] <_stijn_> BluesKaj: it seems this pc just has 250MB of RAM
[15:47] <flipstar> ``\: maybe the wrong dir..?
[15:47] <_stijn_> and the live disc requires 384MB or more
[15:47] <``\> do you have a link ?
[15:47] <_stijn_> maybe that's the problem
[15:47] <flipstar> ``\: for what..?
[15:48] <BluesKaj> _stijn_, what disc are you using ...are you trying to install kubuntu or qtparted partitioner disk
[15:48] <``\> donwloading kubuntu hardy with kde4 ?
[15:48] <_stijn_> I'm trying to install kubuntu
[15:48] <``\> i wanted to do a proper installation
[15:48] <flipstar> ``\: there are desktop's and alternate cd's for kde4 ..
[15:49] <flipstar> ``\: and 32 and 64bit versions ..
[15:49] <flipstar> ``\: see http://www.acc.umu.se/~mighty/ubuntu/ for torrents
[15:49] <``\> i'm checking it
[15:49] <BluesKaj> with such little ram , consider using xfce desktop  or xubuntu
[15:49] <_stijn_> and ubuntu?
[15:49] <flipstar> _stijn_: gnome and kde are both pretty heavy..
[15:50] <SlimeyPete> ubuntu will work in 256MB but it won't be quick
[15:50] <BluesKaj> hey ``\ , how about using a real nick
[15:50] <hydrogen> Does anyone happen to know if Google Sketchup works in wine?
[15:50] <flipstar> xfce or xubuntu is more lightwight
[15:50] <_stijn_> kej flipstar, let me find a empty cd :P
[15:50] <flipstar> _stijn_: i use cd+rw's :p
[15:50] <_stijn_> good for you
[15:51] <_stijn_> I travelled 5km to install kubuntu :P
[15:51] <flipstar> wow
[15:51] <``\> lol BluesKaj it's a real nick
[15:51] <_stijn_> I can't bike back to get any empty cd :p
[15:51] <``\> thanks a lot flipstar
[15:51] <flipstar> ``\: np :)
[15:52] <_stijn_> the shit windows gives a BSD /p
[15:52] <_stijn_> so that's why i'm installing ubuntu on this crap pc :p
[15:52] <Eruaran> ``\: I like it
[15:52] <BluesKaj> punctuation isn't a real nick ..nicks require letters from the alphabet IMO
[15:52] <``\> thanks
[15:52] <mguezuraga> Are the servers down? I can't apt-get update
[15:52] <``\> BluesKaj: it's accept by the server and admins who gave me my crypted hostname
[15:53] <``\> Eruaran: me too :D
[15:53] <``\> btw thank you and see you :)
[15:54] <ushaba> i have a hosed upgrade of kubuntu on my other computer
[15:54] <ushaba> unable to boot into xserver, can't boot into any kernels except those for gutsy in safe mode
[15:54] <BluesKaj> IMO I said ...if it was up to me all undesrscores etc on nicks would be banned :)
[15:54] <ushaba> and can't get wireless working from the commandline
[15:54] <Eruaran> I think I might back up some stuff and install kubuntu-kde4 tomorrow
[15:55] <ushaba> obviously the final problem is necessary to solve the other two
[15:55] <ushaba> anyone have any ideas?
[15:56] <BluesKaj> ushaba, did you do clean live cd install or net upgrade or... ?
[15:56] <ushaba> net upgrade
[15:57] <ushaba> unfortunately both my cd drives are having issues, so i'm not sure i can get a disc to burn
[15:57] <ushaba> first issue seems to be to get online via wireless from the commandline
[15:57] <ushaba> then to fix the problems in apt
[15:58] <ushaba> sounds like i might as well be using slackware
[15:58] <ushaba> haha
[15:59] <ushaba> first thing's first, i guess, getting wireless from the command line. anyone ever had this adventure? :)
[15:59] <genii> back
[16:00] <flipstar> i need help with the service manager :/
[16:00] <Odd-rationale> ushaba: can you get wired?
[16:00] <genii> nappula: By "ifconfig down doesn't do anything" do you mean it just executes the command and returns you to a prompt, or does it tell you something. Like ioctl error   or something else. Because usually if no messages it executed successfully
[16:01] <ushaba> well, i probably could, but physically moving the computer will be annoying and time-consuming as my roommate has rearranged the apartment
[16:01] <ushaba> it's a desktop
[16:01] <ushaba> there isn't a basic wifi-up sort of thing?
[16:01] <Odd-rationale> ushaba: ok. is the network protected?
[16:01] <Odd-rationale> ushaba: like with wep or wpa?
[16:02] <ushaba> it's just a wep hex password
[16:02] <ushaba> wep hex
[16:02] <ushaba> i'm checking the forums as i type this
[16:02] <Odd-rationale> ushaba: ok. then that should be relatively easy...
[16:02] <Odd-rationale> ushaba: is you wireless card working?
[16:02] <ushaba> it's over usb
[16:02] <ushaba> it has worked previously
[16:03] <ushaba> level1 usb wireless
[16:03] <Odd-rationale> ushaba: so you still need the drivers? or no?
[16:03] <ushaba> supported natively
[16:03] <ushaba> if i am not mistaken
[16:03] <flipstar> where can i get further help for the system service manager ? :/
[16:03] <sandro> hey guys my updater froze and i wanna know how to resume how it was from before
[16:03] <ushaba> is there a way i can check if it's a kernel module or not?
[16:03] <Odd-rationale> ushaba: do "iwconfig" and see if it it lists your wirelesss device
[16:03] <ushaba> yes
[16:03] <ushaba> it oddly may be connecting
[16:04] <ushaba> it lists the ESSID as the network name
[16:04] <ushaba> let me try to ping google
[16:04] <Odd-rationale> ushaba: do "iwlist scanning" and see if you can find your access point
[16:04] <ushaba> nope
[16:04] <bleaked> so i just installed hardy, enabled my fglrx drivers, rebooted.  i then enabled desktop effects, then rebooted.. as i sit her, compiz has not loaded.  *please* tell me kubuntu has evolved beyond having the user have to place compiz in the ~/.kde/Autostart folder.. or must I do this still?
[16:04] <ushaba> ping doesn't work
[16:04] <ushaba> no scan results for wlan0
[16:05] <ushaba> it hmm..,
[16:05] <sandro> it was upgrading to kubuntu 8.04 lts i previously had 7.10 kubuntu
[16:05] <ushaba> that's odd that it lists the essid before but doesn't list the network under scanning
[16:05] <sandro> it removed a bunch of packages and it needs to replace them
[16:06] <Odd-rationale> ushaba: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=684495
[16:06] <BluesKaj> bleaked, a little early for eye candy solutions here, maybe #compiz-fusion is a better place to ask .
[16:07] <sandro> someone help
[16:07] <genii> sandro: archive.buntu.com is currently swamped
[16:08] <sandro> genii: what does that mean?
[16:08] <bleaked> BluesKaj: odd.. why would the first bullet in the release notes tout how kubuntu now has a desktop effects manager..  clearly this is a kubuntu issue.
[16:08] <BluesKaj> sandro, the default is to replace them , unless they are special scripts written for compiled apps
[16:09] <flipstar> bleaked: afaik it doesn't start by default
[16:09] <Odd-rationale> ushaba: did that link help?
[16:09]  * BluesKaj searches for desktop effects manager 
[16:09] <genii> sandro: It means the updater is waiting for archive.ubuntu.com to respond but it's being hammered right now. So all you can do is wait
[16:09] <bleaked> flipstar: so what is the point of the desktop effects manager?  to help install compiz?
[16:10] <Tecumseh> hi guys, I have a bit of a sound problem with hardy
[16:10] <bleaked> BluesKaj: it's installed by default in hardy -- uner 'System' in the k menu
[16:10] <flipstar> bleaked: this and easily configure effekts i guess
[16:10] <Tecumseh> could someone point me in the right direction?
[16:11] <sandro> genii: its installing chillispot i dont think its downloading anymore its been telling me i have 3 minutes left for over an hour now
[16:11] <BluesKaj> bleaked, sorry , didn't realize ...thinl I'll stay out of eye candy probs :)
[16:11] <nosrednaekim> hows hardy lookin?
[16:11] <sandro> BluesKaj: installation just froze i think the downloading process is complete
[16:11] <flipstar> nosrednaekim: except few bugs, good :)
[16:11] <nosrednaekim> lots of problems with X?
[16:12] <Tecumseh> not too good so far, there is no sound for me
[16:12] <BluesKaj> not too shabby so far for me at least, nosrednaekim
[16:12] <bleaked> idk..i think it is really unfair to list this as the first major improvement on the release annoucement and the damn thing won't start when you enable it, nor can i find *any* hardy documentation on how to enable it.. . albeit i personally know how to fix this, a new user would find this endlessly frustrating.
[16:12] <nosrednaekim> bleaked: nice
[16:12] <nosrednaekim> *BluesKaj
[16:13] <BluesKaj> bleaked, only if they were obsessed with window dressing :)
[16:13] <nosrednaekim> bleaked: whats the problem?
[16:14] <bleaked> nosrednaekim: i just installed hardy, and i was eager to test the new kubuntu desktop effects manager.. i installed my 3d drivers, rebooted, then enabled desktop effects, rebooted, and now compiz has not loaded.
[16:14] <sandro> BluesKaj: im gonna be shipping out in a day, and i'd like to be able to have everything working so if u could help me that would be great
[16:15] <bleaked> nosrednaekim: the 8.04 announcement on the kubuntu front page lists this manager as the first improvement in the release, and implies that all you do is enable these effects and you're on your way
[16:15] <nosrednaekim> bleaked: I see, does compiz --replace work? and are you sure the desktop effects aren't enabled?
[16:15] <nosrednaekim> bleaked: I know... I wrote the app myself :)
[16:16] <SlimeyPete> the effects manager doesn't work for me either tbh
[16:16] <flipstar> bleaked: this will probably help http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=511389
[16:16] <SlimeyPete> (using fglrx + aiglx or xgl)
[16:16] <SlimeyPete> not that I'm terribly bothered
[16:16] <bleaked> nosrednaekim: no compiz --replace does not work
[16:17] <bleaked> but my point is that new users are lead to believe that this manager takes care of it all.. one shouldn't have to run that command, or enter it as an autostart entry
[16:17] <genii> sandro: Your best bet right now is just interrupt it, then add a different mirror that may not be so swamped as the main one onto your sources instead of the main one
[16:17] <nosrednaekim> bleaked: then its hardly a problem with the desktop-effects manager
[16:17] <ushaba> i'm trying again
[16:17] <bleaked> nosrednaekim: it says it needs XGL, which from what i understood xgl was not needed in hardy
[16:18] <ushaba> got NODHCPOFFERS for a bit
[16:18] <nosrednaekim> bleaked: what video card?
[16:18] <bleaked> nosrednaekim: ok, that's true..but why wouldn't the hardware manager install xgl if it's, ostensibly, needed?
[16:18] <flipstar> bleaked: please but a <glxinfo |grep direct> into a shell to see if drivers installed proper
[16:18] <bleaked> nosrednaekim: radeon 9600
[16:20] <nosrednaekim> bleaked: you should be able to use the free ati drivers with that IIRC.
[16:20] <flipstar> btw i have some trouble with the service manager (it say's module can't be found..) what ca i do ?
[16:20] <SlimeyPete> do the free drivers do 3D acceleration these days?
[16:20] <nosrednaekim> and please do what flipstar reccomends.
[16:20] <nosrednaekim> SlimeyPete: on certain cards, yes
[16:20] <floodis> any solutions for the sound problem yet?
[16:20] <Bhaal> kubuntu hardy torrent link anyone?
[16:20] <flipstar> Bhaal: http://www.acc.umu.se/~mighty/ubuntu/
[16:21] <Tecumseh> could someone here help me get the sound back to work? Here's some info about the soundchip I have: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64377/
[16:21] <Odd-rationale> Bhaal: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hardy/
[16:22] <Bhaal> Odd-rationale: Thanks
[16:22] <Tecumseh> floodis: Thankfully I don't appear to be the only one having this problem
[16:23] <ushaba> i'm getting an error saying that there is already a dhclient.pid with pid XXXXXXXX
[16:23] <BluesKaj> sandro,, genii is correct , patience is the thing right now , with literally thousands of downloaders like yourself is creating very slow access to the servers
[16:23] <ushaba> any idea what that means?
[16:23] <floodis> Tecumseh: yea, I feel the same.
[16:23] <jacalope> hi all.  The only shortcut i seem to have in kde4 (hardy) is ctrl-f12 for dashboard... everything else is gone.... is this expected?
[16:24] <flipstar> ushaba: means it already is running
[16:24] <flipstar> floodis: what the problem ?
[16:24] <ushaba> hmm, i killed the dhclient process
[16:24] <ushaba> and it's still giving me the error
[16:24] <ushaba> it's in var though
[16:24] <ushaba> should i just delete the file from /var/run?
[16:24] <trait> hi
[16:24] <Tecumseh> flipstar: probably the same problem I have, there is no sound at all
[16:24] <floodis> flipstar: Same as everybody else. After the upgrade there is no sound on my computer
[16:25] <trait> does anyone know how to run kdesudo in hardy?
[16:25] <BluesKaj> SlimeyPete, the deafult restricted ati drivers do 3D and DRI out of the box , yes.
[16:25] <Dr_willis> trait, type 'kdesudo' ?
[16:25] <Tecumseh> 1 difference between me and floodis, I did a clean install and he apparantly did an upgrade
[16:25] <bleaked> trait: isn't it just kdesu
[16:25] <flipstar> floodis: Tecumseh that are probably issues with the intelhda ..
[16:25] <Dr_willis> I was thinking kde4 had kdesudo
[16:26] <flipstar> !intelhda | Tecumseh floodis
[16:26] <ubotu> Tecumseh floodis: For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[16:26] <ushaba> i keep getting no offers
[16:26] <genii> ushaba: When you don't use the shutdown script/method and just "kill <name>" it doesn't clean up the stale pid files and so on
[16:26] <Odd-rationale> ubotu: yes, you can delete the file
[16:26] <ushaba> ok
[16:26] <flipstar> floodis: you also have an intelhda, right ?
[16:26] <colinksl> hi
[16:26] <ushaba> i removed the things from var
[16:26] <floodis> flipstar: yes
[16:26] <Odd-rationale> wrong person...
[16:26] <colinksl> any advise before i install kde4?
[16:26] <flipstar> floodis: okay..then look at the link
[16:27] <ushaba> how is var different from proc if it has this thing in it?
[16:27] <floodis> okay, thanks will look at it.
[16:27] <flipstar> Tecumseh: maybe look on the nvidia website for dedicated hda drivers or so
[16:28] <Tecumseh> thx flipstar, but this is for ubuntu 6.06. The sound worked perfectly with both Feisty and Gutsy. Don't think it's the idea that new users with the newest version have to start compiling kernels and alsa...?
[16:29] <flipstar> no kernel..only alsa but you except every other things ?
[16:29] <genii> ushaba: Because /var is a static fs, /proc is dynamic and has it's own fs    /proc is for system processes in (perhaps) realtime. /var is for system variables which are altered by the processes or scripts which use them
[16:30] <ushaba> no working leases every time
[16:30] <ushaba> not sure what that means
[16:30] <Tecumseh> sorry flipstar, can you refrase because I don't understand your last line
[16:30] <ushaba> ok
[16:30] <trait> by typing kdesudo, the password is requiered, then: error- command not found
[16:31] <flipstar> Tecumseh: did you exclude all other potential error sources? like volume down in alsamixer or so
[16:31] <Tecumseh> yep, I did turn the master and pcm volume up to full and still no sound
[16:31] <ushaba> what does "no DHCPOFFERS received" plus No working leases in persistent database - sleeping" mean?
[16:31] <floodis> me too
[16:31] <Tecumseh> even checked the cables
[16:31] <ushaba> does that mean it can't find the network
[16:31] <ushaba> or that the network is not accepting the connection?
[16:31] <sandro> genii: im not downloading anymore it has been installing chillispot for over an hour and i started the upgrade midnight last night
[16:32] <Tecumseh> Also tried to set the timing to 1 second, a suggestion I found on the ubuntu-forum
[16:32] <jacalope> did i somehow clobber them w/o knowing? the shortcuts i mean
[16:32] <flipstar> a friend of mine just installed yesterday..and after the guide the intelhda worked great..
[16:32] <bleaked> nonewmsgs: so my pc keeps locking up everytime i try to launch compiz.. what was the command you wanted me to try to test my drivers?
[16:34] <hdevalence> what's the command to fix the lock after adept crashes?
[16:34] <flipstar> bleaked: <glxinfo |grep direct> ?
[16:34] <SlimeyPete> bleaked: did you mean to address that to nosrednaekim?
[16:34] <SlimeyPete> !aptfix | hdevalence
[16:34] <ubotu> hdevalence: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[16:36] <bleaked> SlimeyPete: yes, indeed
[16:36] <bleaked> excitatory@nihilo:(~) $ glxinfo |grep direct
[16:36] <bleaked> direct rendering: Yes
[16:36] <bleaked> i'm pretty sure my drivers are working
[16:37] <bleaked> idk why when i start compiz, it fails.  in teh console it informs me it cannot find xgl.. but as i thought i understood it, xgl is completely unnecessary in hardy
[16:38] <flipstar> bleaked: this is probably not the only message
[16:38] <Elda> Hello
[16:38] <bleaked> flipstar: what do you recommend?
[16:39] <Elda> Compiz scared me in Ubuntu 7.04 ... I don't want to try the 8.04 in KDE as I don't want to bork/glitch my install :s
[16:39] <SlimeyPete> I'm certain that I still need XGL if Compiz is ever going to work on this system
[16:40] <bleaked> seek compiz has worked excellent for me since dapper (then i used beryl)
[16:40] <ushaba> i'm getting a bunch of errors whenever i try to use dhclient
[16:40] <SlimeyPete> because DRI isn't working with AIGLX.
[16:40] <bleaked> SlimeyPete: how do you test for dri?
[16:40] <ushaba> wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801; SIOCSIFADDR: Permission denied; SIOCSIFFLAGS: Permission denied; SIOCSIFFLAGS: Permissions denied;
[16:40] <bleaked> glxinfo |grep direct ?
[16:41] <ushaba> any ideas on what these mean?
[16:41] <Elda> do sudo
[16:41] <Elda> as you dont have teh "access" to do it
[16:41] <Elda> sudo and the command will give you admin priviledges tack onto the command
[16:43] <Elda> Konvesation has bookmarks? >.>
[16:44] <Elda> brb... connecting hopefully on my school's network >.>
[16:45] <Elda> Now Im connected through some random connection
[16:49] <flipstar> heeeeeeeeelp kde-systemsettings doesn't work :/
[16:50] <flipstar> it says module not found and > http://pastebin.com/m14fd057b
[16:51] <flipstar> OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/etc/rc.d/rc0.d'
[16:51] <deviantintegral> 2 questions: If I upgrade from Kubuntu 7.04 to 8.10 via adept, do I get kde 3 or kde 4? Is it still possible to have both KDE's in 8.04?
[16:51] <flipstar> i reinstalled kde-systemsettings, reconfigure kde-guidiance..what else can i try ?
[16:51] <flipstar> deviantintegral: kde3 and yes
[16:52] <deviantintegral> flipstar: thanks. And I assume there's no simple way to go from kde3 / 7.10 to kde 4 / 8.04 all at once, that you have to upgrade and then remove kde4?
[16:54] <Dr_willis> remove? you mean install?
[16:54] <Dr_willis> I keep kde3 and 4 both on my box. kde4 is lacking some features/tools of kde3
[16:55] <BluesKaj> deviantintegral, theres a mixed kubuntu eith kde4 asthe desktop on the download site
[16:55] <deviantintegral> sorry, meant remove kde3
[16:55] <halcyonCorsair> hey, how can i control where my hard disks are mounted?
[16:56] <Dr_willis> I would not suggest removing kde3 -  Untill you have tried kde4 for some time. :) i find kde4.. well.. not all the way done.
[16:56] <Dr_willis> halcyonCorsair,  you mean removeable usb disks? or internal disks?
[16:56] <genii> Hi Dr_willis :)
[16:56] <halcyonCorsair> Dr_willis: internal disks
[16:56] <deviantintegral> yeah, i imagined that you could upgrade with the CD's going straight from kde3-kde4, but I didn't see anything about how to do that with adept
[16:56] <guaqua> "sudo vi /etc/fstab" or go to system settings>advanced>disks&filesystems
[16:56] <halcyonCorsair> Dr_willis: and a usb hdd
[16:56] <Dr_willis> halcyonCorsair,  thats defined in the /etc/fstab file
[16:56] <guaqua> and click, click, click
[16:57] <Dr_willis> usb/removeble - is -- well not sure where thats defined at. :)
[16:57] <flipstar> should i fill a bug with my issue ..?
[16:57] <halcyonCorsair> Dr_willis: they already show up in the media section
[16:57] <deviantintegral> Dr_willis: yeah - this is just for a virtual machine which doesn't do anything important. So disk space > functionality, esp. as I don't use it very much
[16:58] <Dr_willis> usb drives are normally mounted on the fly with what you see in the 'media' thing under the file manager, You could make a fstab entry for them if you wanted and bypass that automounting stuff
[16:59] <flipstar> has anyone else trouble with the systemservices ?
[16:59] <flipstar> (in hardy)
[17:00] <guaqua> works like a charm
[17:01] <BluesKaj> flipstar, good to go here
[17:02] <JoshOvki> flipstar: all working here, although on my first attempt (while it was in beta) i had a bad download which ment things lke   media:\   and  trash:\  didnt work
[17:03] <flipstar> JoshOvki: try media:/ and trash:/ instead
[17:03] <JoshOvki> flipstar: what i ment sorry. too late now, it was a while ago
[17:03] <JoshOvki> anyway i gotta go, things to do, people to see
[17:04] <flipstar> it was just the wrong slash..
[17:04] <JoshOvki> bye bye
[17:12] <hector> q es esto
[17:12] <hector> alguien q hable  español
[17:12] <Odd-rationale> !es | hector
[17:12] <ubotu> hector: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[17:13] <hector> ok gracias bro
[17:13] <bleaked> so i've been doing a ton of research, and it appears that no one is able to get compiz to work in hardy, despite all of these people having no trouble in gutsy..
[17:14] <BluesKaj> ok, what driver bleaked ?
[17:14] <bleaked> BluesKaj: fglrx
[17:14] <lz1gjd> hi, what could be the reason for the quite slow performance kubuntu 8.04 final has on my work laptop (Dell Inspiron 1501). Compared to other distros its reaaalllllyyyy slow ? wtf ?
[17:14] <bleaked> BluesKaj: the ati driver did not work either
[17:14] <BluesKaj> not the restricted default ?
[17:14] <nosrednaekim> bleaked: did you try asking in #compiz-fusion?
[17:17] <CrocoJet> I made install of kubuntu 8.04 (kde4) but I cant find interface to set up eth0
[17:17] <x-X-x> which do u recommend 1: kubuntu 8.04 kde 4 remix 2: kubuntu 8.04
[17:17] <phoenix3051> Is there an easy way to (automatically) stop apt (and friends) from updating the kernel package?
[17:17] <nosrednaekim> CrocoJet: you mean the network settings manager?
[17:17] <CrocoJet> do i need use "ifconfig" in terminal mode  ?
[17:17] <CrocoJet> yes
[17:17] <x-X-x> do u recommend kde 4?
[17:17] <nosrednaekim> CrocoJet: do you get your IP address by DHcp or static?
[17:18] <CrocoJet> nosrednaekim, static
[17:18] <nosrednaekim> x-X-x: its better to install the kde3 version and then get kde4
[17:18] <CrocoJet> I cant find GUI to setup
[17:18] <nosrednaekim> CrocoJet: right. ok. let me fid a link.
[17:18] <CrocoJet> ok
[17:18] <CrocoJet> (thanks)
[17:19] <bleaked> nosrednaekim: well, does the fglrx driver in hardy need xgl.. there seems to be a bit of a controversy over this in the forums..all devs post no, but compiz will not launch saying that xgl is not present.. (i hate xgl, so i hope it's not needed)
[17:19] <CrocoJet> sounds that I need use ifconfig, right ?
[17:19] <ferran_> :)
[17:19] <fonce> hi
[17:20] <CrocoJet> other question, exist difference of version kubuntu in "CD" and "DVD" ?
[17:20] <fonce> germen or english channel?
[17:20] <x-X-x> nosrednaekin what u mean ?? will it overwrite kde3 ?
[17:20] <nosrednaekim> bleaked: it should not be neccesary, no
[17:20] <nosrednaekim> x-X-x: no, it will not, it installs along side
[17:20] <fonce> how can I mount an iso image? are there some GUI Tools for KDE?
[17:21] <x-X-x> nosrednaekin thnx man u rock
[17:21] <CrocoJet> in KDE 4, for update, do I need use command "apt-get update" ?
[17:21] <CrocoJet> or exist some type GUI for that
[17:22] <nosrednaekim> CrocoJet: http://pastebin.com/d2e777bb2 <-- there is a good example of what your /etc/network/interfaces file should look like
[17:22] <CrocoJet> let me see .. thanks
[17:22] <nosrednaekim> CrocoJet: if adept isn't there, yeah, you can do that fromt he command line (or install adept)
[17:22] <nosrednaekim> CrocoJet: of course, most of those IP's will have to be changed
[17:22] <CrocoJet> I think that CD version is not much complete (basic)
[17:23] <BluesKaj> CrocoJet, the dvd contains most pkges , whereas the cd is the OS and desktop with some default apps ...the dvd is recommended for users not using the pkg repositories on the internet
[17:23] <CrocoJet> oh ok
[17:23] <x-X-x> is 64bit hardy heron stable ?
[17:24] <nosrednaekim> x-X-x: yes
[17:24] <jdwatson> asup
[17:24] <BluesKaj> x-X-x, it won't make much diff unless you have loads of memory, like 4G
[17:24] <Odd-rationale> Wasn't the kubuntu site going to get a make over??
[17:25] <nosrednaekim> Odd-rationale: its coming
[17:25] <Odd-rationale> I remember there was a competition for a new site design...
[17:25] <Odd-rationale> nosrednaekim: ok :)
[17:25] <Odd-rationale> even xubuntu.org looks better than ours... :(
[17:26] <jdwatson> Wow...ff 3 beta 5...weirdness
[17:26] <BluesKaj> jdwatson, it's fast tho
[17:27] <Kubuntiac> BluesKaj: Really? Mine still hogs memory like it's FF2 and eats processor cycles for breakfast :(
[17:28] <aaroncampbell> Does anyone know if it's possible to install FF2 alongside FF3 in Hardy?
[17:28] <Kubuntiac> Not sure, but I think FF3 wiped over my FF2
[17:28] <aaroncampbell> I love FF3, but my Zend Debug Plugin and firebug don't work with it
[17:28] <aaroncampbell> Kubuntiac: it did for me
[17:29] <Lynoure> Kubuntiac, aaroncampbell: unlikely
[17:29] <x-X-x> bluesKaj creative released a linux driver for x-fi cards and it only works for 64bit systems
[17:29] <Lynoure> Kubuntiac, aaroncampbell: ff2 just won't start when ff3 is running and the other way around
[17:29] <Lynoure> Easily feels like one has wiped the other
[17:29] <Kubuntiac> Ahh... ok
[17:30] <Kubuntiac> I avoid FF2 if I can anyway. Can't wait for Webkit in Konqueror
[17:30] <aaroncampbell> Lynoure: ok, so I closed firefox completely, how can I open FF2?
[17:30] <Lynoure> aaroncampbell: firefox-2  should do it
[17:30] <Odd-rationale> Kubuntiac: I think that is being work on in GSoC!!
[17:30] <aaroncampbell> Lynoure: no such command
[17:31] <Kubuntiac> In GSoC? I thought it was announced before that...
[17:31] <Lynoure> aaroncampbell: interesting, but package firefox-2 is installed?
[17:31] <x-X-x> anyone got  a official torrent of hardy ?
[17:31] <x-X-x> link ?
[17:32] <aaroncampbell> Lynoure: I don't know, that was the question, I had FF2, then upgraded to hardy, and now it seems gone
[17:32] <nosrednaekim> BTW, if you install flock, you can have both ff2 and ff3
[17:32] <Lynoure> aaroncampbell: I upgraded when hardy was entering beta, so I guess the upgrade might have changed to upgrade ff2 users to ff3
[17:32] <Lynoure> aaroncampbell: I have both still
[17:32] <Kubuntiac> xXx: Would be cool if Canonical would let people who agreed to seed new releases FTP the day before release... :)
[17:33] <nosrednaekim> x-X-x: http://hobbsee.com/tmp
[17:34] <rohan> anyone got the problem of sound not working after install? my sound was working great from the livecd
[17:35] <Kubuntiac> Works fine for me on Hardy Remix
[17:35] <phoenix3051> Is there an easy way to (automatically) stop apt (and friends) from updating the kernel package on kubuntu 8.04?
[17:36] <genii> rohan: What does:    lspci | grep Audio                  report as soundcard make/model ?
[17:36] <nosrednaekim> rohan: what sound chip?
[17:36] <Kubuntiac> phoenix: Keep your PC locked? ;-)
[17:36] <x-X-x> lmao 1.4mb/s hardy torrent
[17:36] <rohan> genii: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
[17:36] <nosrednaekim> phoenix3051: google "locking packages"
[17:36] <rohan> nosrednaekim: ^^^
[17:36] <_Lemon_> I have a problem, I've replaced the buggy rt2x00 drivers with a daily rt2500 cvs from the rt2x00 site because the drivers that shipped with Kubuntu won't go above 1mb/s with the wireless. The rt2500 are working fine (as you can see...) however the KNetworkManager can't seem to use the new ra0 interface and as a result certain K applications can't seem to connect to the Internet (Konversation seems to be the exception),
[17:36] <_Lemon_> including Firefox 3. Why is this? How can I sort this out while using the rt2500 drivers?
[17:36] <phoenix3051> Kubuntiac: Possibly  :)
[17:37] <rohan> genii: it's a known problem?
[17:37] <genii> !intelhda | rohan
[17:37] <ubotu> rohan: For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[17:37] <rohan> i checked alsamixer and i've turned the volume all the way up
[17:37] <genii> rohan: Yes, it's a known problem
[17:37] <phoenix3051> nosrednaekim: thanks
[17:37] <nosrednaekim> _Lemon_: ok, just disable the "network status daemon" in systemsettings->advance->service manager
[17:38] <rohan> genii: err, it worked perfectly on gutsy, and from the livecd. that page you linked to, has no specific instructions for hardy
[17:38] <genii> rohan: The instructions are exactly the same for gutsy or hardy in that regard (with name changes)
[17:39] <rohan> genii: but why should i need to recompile and install newer drivers? the ones included with hardy don't work fine?
[17:40] <_Lemon_> nosrednaekim: Still doesn't seem to work, Pidgin still says 'waiting for internet connection' and Firefox3 claims it's in offline mode :/
[17:40] <genii> rohan: A to Q1: You should recompile and install the new drivers because your card will wok properly afetrwards       A to Q2: No, they don't
[17:41] <rance> hey all, I just did the upgrade to 8.04 and things are looking pretty swell, Im remoting to the box and looking at the desktop via VNC (tunneled through SSH, of course) but the clean up of old packages uninstalled vmware-server and vmware-kernel-modules for the gutsy kernel package, how likely is is that packages will get updated for 8.04
[17:41] <rohan> genii: where can i read more about this hardy problem? will it be fixed in a newer kernel release?
[17:41] <nosrednaekim> rance: singe it is a LTS, very likely
[17:42] <rance> any idea when?  I hate to be pushy but I didnt think they wouldnt be there already
[17:42] <JackWinter> where do i specify which alsa device kde and amarok should use ?
[17:42] <JackWinter> i have 2 devices, hw0 and hw1
[17:42] <CrocoJet> nosrednaekim, how to set up dns ?
[17:43] <CrocoJet> I need setup dns primary and secondary
[17:43] <CrocoJet> hard to believe that KDE do not have one GUI interface for that !!!
[17:43] <nosrednaekim> CrocoJet: that would be in your /etc/resolv.conf
[17:44] <CrocoJet> oh ok
[17:44] <nosrednaekim> CrocoJet: there is.... but you need netowrk in order to grab it ;)
[17:44] <rohan> genii: and more surprising, how come it worked on the livecd?
[17:44] <CrocoJet> whats name package ?
[17:44] <nosrednaekim> knetworkconf-kde4
[17:45] <genii> rohan: The sound output part works off livecd but if you had checked your microphone you would have found it inoperative.
[17:46] <rohan> genii: aha ok.. so, will it be fixed in a new kernel release in hardy-updates? in that case, i needn't go through the whole pain of compiling it :)
[17:47] <genii> rohan: And to answer earlier Q, it is not something which is some kernel issue, that is why it exists on Dapper->Hardy   It is an issue regarding the defaults which are compiled into the alsa driver to accept as broad a range of cards as possible
[17:47] <rohan> genii: it's a clean install from livecd :)
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[17:47] <rohan> so, it's not a "problem", and it won't be fixed unless i actually compile it myself?
[17:48] <genii> rohan: Basically the short answer to that is "Yes"
[17:48] <rohan> and the long answer is?
[17:48] <lz1gjd> hi, what could be the reason for the quite slow performance kubuntu 8.04 final has on my work laptop (Dell Inspiron 1501). Compared to other distros its reaaalllllyyyy slow ? wtf ?
[17:48] <genii> rohan: That hopefully soon someone will package a deb for intel hda cards specifically and then the issue will no longer exists
[17:48] <nosrednaekim> lz1gjd: whats your Ram usage?
[17:48] <guaqua> lz1gjd: what do you mean by slow?
[17:49] <guaqua> slow as in starting, unresponsive to mouse movements?
[17:49] <rohan> genii: i still don't understand where exactly the problem is, and why it works off the livecd. could you point to me someplace, e.g. where the bug is filed?
[17:49] <lz1gjd> not much responsive to mouse movements, slow drawing of windows although proper driver is installed
[17:49] <rohan> genii: sorry if i'm bothering you too much, but this is intriguing
[17:49] <lz1gjd> compared to the earlier release its slower, i do not have an idea why
[17:50] <lz1gjd> i have one gig on the lappie, ram is not an issue i believe
[17:50] <Kubuntiac> My laptop runs fine with 1ghz 512mb ram (Hardy Remix)
[17:51] <guaqua> lz1gjd: what does top show?
[17:52] <lz1gjd> well unfortunately i left it at work, and cant check this now, but I remember I monitored it and it was fine something like occasional 5-6% usage on both cores, which is normal i suppose. The cpu is a turion x2 x64 btw
[17:52] <backtick> lz1gjd: might be a hard disk problem, try scanning it with vendor tools
[17:52] <lz1gjd> it works fine with windows, and pclinux os which was previously installed
[17:53] <jackault> I can't seem to find the minimum requirements for the kde remix of 8.04, what are they?
[17:53] <jackault> *kde 4 remix
[17:53] <lz1gjd> video is a integrated radeon x1150 i think
[17:53] <genii> rohan: Since it's not a bug there isn't any url with some bug report to give you :) The more exact issue is: The ubuntu binary which gets installed by default with *buntu has not been made with intel-specific switches when it was made. This is because it's compiled to make it work on as many different cards as it's possible to do. the "--with-cards=hda-intel" switch of compiling into also from source pre-empts some other common cards
[17:53] <genii> from working. So it's the lesser of two evils basically.
[17:54] <guaqua> jackault: a supported graphics card?
[17:54] <guaqua> doesn't require that much
[17:54] <jackault> Ah, could you link me to a page that has that info?
[17:54] <backtick> so i have an Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG, it's not blinking and I get that error i system log "iwl3945: Microcode SW error detected. Restarting 0x82000008", some guy over at #ubuntu told me he has the same model and it's running fine......
[17:54] <rohan> genii: that explains it. thanks for the explanation ;:)
[17:54] <jackault> I suspect I'm going to be straning my old gfx card
[17:54] <genii> rohan: np
[17:55] <guaqua> well, why not just try?
[17:55] <guaqua> can you get 3d acceleration working on kde3?
[17:56] <jackault> because I'm downloading the remix cd right now and if this fails I'll have to wait till tomorrow to get kde 3 working again
[17:56] <guaqua> why?
[17:56] <guaqua> you can have both at the same time
[17:56] <jackault> bandwidth limits. And I'm not sure what in kde3 requires 3d accleration
[17:56] <lz1gjd> although on my home desktop pc which is a c2d at 3ghz with 4gigs of ram with x800gto prie it works ok with some freezes once in a while
[17:56] <guaqua> just install kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[17:56] <guaqua> hmm
[17:57] <lz1gjd> but i guess the open source driver that comes preinstalled with 8.04 could be the one causing the freezes.
[17:57] <CrocoJet> nosrednaekim, created file /etc/resolv.conf with
[17:58] <CrocoJet> nameserver 201.21.192.104
[17:58] <CrocoJet> but it is not working
[17:58] <CrocoJet> I can ping local network
[17:58] <nosrednaekim> ok, now you need to do a "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart"
[17:58] <CrocoJet> ok let me try
[18:01] <jackault> hmm, I've got an install kubuntu 7.10, can I use the kde 4 remix of 8.04 to upgrade it?
[18:01] <jackault> *install of
[18:01] <rohan> genii: just one last question -- why did it work on the livecd, then?
[18:02] <nosrednaekim> jackault: no.
[18:02] <nosrednaekim> jackault: at least, I don't think so
[18:02] <rohan> anyone noticed that changing the size of icons in dolphine doesn't work? or is it just a bug on my system?
[18:03] <jackault> nosrednaekim: Ah, I'll just play it safe and get the normal one first then. I've had enough trouble with upgrades as it is.
[18:03] <x-X-x> i am going to wash my hard drive but i have large files on it and i dont have an external harddrive i can move them too. is there a way i can upload lots of large files temporarily (1 day) so i can be able to washt he hd and then redownload my files ??
[18:03] <CrocoJet> back
[18:03] <nosrednaekim> CrocoJet: fixed?
[18:03] <rohan> infact, changing the preferences in d3lphin doesn't work at all
[18:03] <CrocoJet> nosrednaekim, no success .. came message:
[18:03] <nosrednaekim> CrocoJet: you can't ping your local network?
[18:04] <nosrednaekim> that maens you must have something set wrong in /etc/network/interfaces
[18:04] <genii> rohan: I'm finding with hardy livecd the sound output worked but microphone did not. I think it is related to the kernel drivers which are loaded in the initramfs prior to actual booting
[18:04] <CrocoJet> "SIOCARDRT: no such process
[18:04] <CrocoJet> Failed to bring up eth0
[18:04] <genii> rohan: Eg: The ramdisk drivers on the livecd are different than the drivers which get installed
[18:04] <genii> Work requires me, AFK
[18:05] <nosrednaekim> CrocoJet: try running "sudo if-up eth0"
[18:05] <CrocoJet> what pain in the ass that !! why do they not put knetworkconf-kde4 in CD install
[18:05] <CrocoJet> let me try
[18:05] <nosrednaekim> they really should...
[18:05] <[ifr0g]> How to convert to pdf ?
[18:05] <[ifr0g]> a jpeg file..
[18:06] <lz1gjd> how do you remove kde4 once you install it via apt-get ?
[18:06] <lz1gjd> seems like removing kde4 and then issuing an apt-get autoremove command left me with some kde4 packages
[18:06] <floodis> flipstar: I got the sound working. But that tutorial was not entirely right. Just compile the alsa-driver with ./configure. And dont do the utils and the lib. This should work.
[18:07] <lz1gjd> also smplayer is built against qt4 (kde4?) i want it my kde3 version back :)
[18:10] <deamoon> hi guys can any help me to install usb wireles adptor plz help me
[18:11] <ushaba> thanks for your help guys
[18:11] <deamoon> beslkin
[18:11] <ushaba> i'll finish this tomorrow morning when i'm a bit more patient
[18:11] <ushaba> haha
[18:11] <deamoon> belkin
[18:11] <ushaba> adios
[18:11] <nosrednaekim> !hardware | deamoon
[18:11] <ubotu> deamoon: For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport - To help debugging and improving hardware detection, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection
[18:11] <deamoon> ok ty
[18:12] <JackWinter> anyone know how i can setup 2:nd life to use the arts server?
[18:12] <dystopianray> JackWinter: try running it through artsdsp
[18:17] <p28301016> hi someone having probles with fstab
[18:23] <Bauldrick> does anyone else have issues with hardy detecting monitors as P&P and getting resolution wrong?
[18:24] <lz1gjd> how do i install the kde3 version of smplayer instead of the kde4 one ?
[18:24] <Lynoure> Bauldrick: not me, but seen about 3 people with that here today
[18:24] <melkart> when i add ktorrent to the quickstart-menu in kicker, it doesnt get shown. every other app does get shown, but not ktorrent
[18:24] <lz1gjd> after removing kde4 now smplayer uses qt4 and since skinning doesnt work now
[18:25] <Bauldrick> happened on 2 of 3 pcs I upgraded
[18:25] <nosrednaekim> lz1gjd: I assume you'll have to compile it yourself
[18:25] <lz1gjd> ? why it used to work properly prior the installation of kde4 packages ?
[18:25] <lz1gjd> weird
[18:26] <Bauldrick> the 1 pc it did'nt happen to has been running hardy for a month <>
[18:26] <combo> hello, is this possible to install AIGLX on ATI Radeon 9600 (kub-7.10) ?
[18:27] <dystopianray> combo: you'll need newer drivers than what 7.10 provides
[18:27] <JackWinter> dystopianray: what is artsdsp?
[18:27] <dystopianray> combo: 8.04 has new enough drivers
[18:27] <nosrednaekim> combo: well, AIGLX is installed, but using it is a different issue, and i've seen about 3 people come by witht hat card not be able to get it working
[18:27] <JackWinter> !artsdsp?
[18:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about artsdsp? - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:27] <JackWinter> !artsdsp
[18:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about artsdsp - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:27] <dystopianray> JackWinter: it puts a programs audio output through arts
[18:27] <JackWinter> is it a device ?
[18:27] <dystopianray> it's a program
[18:28] <dystopianray> artsdsp blah
[18:28] <dystopianray> where blah is the binary to run
[18:28] <combo> dystopianray: is that 8.04 stable? this is KDE version of course? :))
[18:29] <nosrednaekim> combo: yes, 8.04 was released yesterday
[18:29] <dystopianray> combo: 8.04 was released on april 24
[18:29] <JackWinter> ok, and it takes what system as input? esd, oss, alsa ?
[18:29] <combo> nosrednaekim: ok :)
[18:29] <dystopianray> JackWinter: i'm not really sure, probably oss
[18:29] <dystopianray> JackWinter: maybe alsa, I don't know
[18:29] <JackWinter> dystopianray: thanks
[18:29] <combo> dystopianray & nosrednaekim, thanks for answers :)
[18:39] <dave11> i had my first bad burn of the ubuntu live dvd burn( killed 2 dvd's) on 8.04 plus theres over 1500 people in the ubuntu chat
[18:42] <trait> can anybody tell, was this output of alsamixer means:
[18:42] <trait> ALSA lib simple_none.c:1741:(simple_add1) helem (MIXER,'Headphone Playback Switch',0,2,0) appears twice or more
[18:44] <dave11> i said i havent seen very many "works great" messages and three people said works great
[18:44] <aaroncampbell> Since my upgrade to hardy, my sound stopped working.  Can anyone point me to a starting point to try to figure it out?
[18:45] <trait> is it the same problem i have, aaroncampbell
[18:45] <trait> ??
[18:45] <aaroncampbell> trait: what problem do you have?
[18:45] <trait> the alsamixer doesnot work
[18:46] <trait> i have sound on my notebook, but its very quiet
 can anybody tell, was this output of alsamixer means:
 ALSA lib simple_none.c:1741:(simple_add1) helem (MIXER,'Headphone Playback Switch',0,2,0) appears twice or more
[18:46] <flipstar> aaroncampbell: it's probably a intelhda card ?
[18:46] <trait> mine is one, flipstar
[18:47] <themumbler> how to install the kubuntu dvd with wubi? i can't find the wubi installer on the dvd anywhere.
[18:47] <trait> do you ve a solution?
[18:47] <aaroncampbell> how can I tell?
[18:47] <flipstar> trait: is this a error message ?
[18:47] <aaroncampbell> I tried alsamixer, and got a CLI mixer...which is actually pretty cool, and I've never seen
[18:47] <trait> i have sound, but its very quiet
[18:47] <tekgeeklt> I could not get any sound on my laptop and had to download  dkms-alsa package which is an upgrade to alsa
[18:48] <dave11> themumbler: wubi is for dual booting with windows
[18:48] <pascalFR> what is the  <super> button  in compiz  config ?
[18:48] <themumbler> yes i know.
[18:48] <flipstar> aaroncampbell: just type (or paste ;) ) this into a shell <lspci|grep -i audio>
 is your windows button
[18:48] <becky_> pascalFR: the windows key
[18:48] <aaroncampbell> 00:0e.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP55 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
[18:48] <pascalFR> becky_: thanks
[18:48] <aaroncampbell> Mine is nVidia
[18:49] <andrew_> I just installed Compiz on hardy, how do  I make it not start automatically?
[18:49] <trait> qhere to get the package, tekgeeklt ?
[18:49] <themumbler> i've used wubi to download and install, but now i want to try to install from the dvd.
[18:49] <trait> andrew_ , i think it will restart, when you startet it once
[18:49] <aaroncampbell> flipstar: that paste was for you
[18:49] <themumbler> but can't figure it out.
[18:50] <becky_> themumbler: and what is your hesitation?
[18:50] <becky_> themumbler:
[18:50] <andrew_> If I start with a new session, will that stop it from going automatically?
[18:50] <tekgeeklt> I used the package manager to download it with another OS I think ubunto has its own package manager
[18:50] <dave11> themumbler: wubi is just for hard drives its not to put on a dvd
[18:50] <flipstar> aaroncampbell: yes..i see but since it's no intel card i dont know if this will help
[18:50] <flipstar> !intelhda
[18:50] <ubotu> For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[18:50] <thenes> can anybody tell me where I put plugins to konqueror. Like the konqueror equallavante to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins
[18:50] <themumbler> yes i know.
[18:50] <trait> tekgeeklt the package c'ant eb found
[18:50] <themumbler> i downloaded the new dvd iso of kubuntu last night.
[18:50] <Kuwanger> I'm wanting to update to 8.04 from 7.10, but I have a small problem.  I'm on a dial-up connection, so I'm going to be disconnected frequently.  Is there any way I can fetch all the packages I need for the update in a more connection-breaking tolerant fashion?
[18:50] <themumbler> now i want to use wubi to install it on my windows partition.
[18:51] <trait> on the cd there s a install.exe, themumbler
[18:51] <dave11> themumbler: then it should work
[18:51] <trait> tekgeek , the package c'ant be found in apt
[18:51] <themumbler> or will i need to just do the yes. it just tell me to restart my computer and boot from the dvd.
[18:52] <dave11> themumbler: run wubi in windows
[18:52] <themumbler> i mean, it just tells me to reboot from the dvd.
[18:52] <Bauldrick> how do i re-enable restricted drivers - it's not under system > advanced?
[18:52] <becky_> themumbler: no don't do the restart option. what are the autorun options when you put the dvd in the drive?
[18:52] <x_link> Hi!
[18:52] <flipstar> Bauldrick: it's in kmenu >system
[18:53] <trait> there should be an application on the cd to start on windows, themumbler
[18:53] <x_link> This might be a weird question.
[18:53] <flipstar> Kuwanger: best thing would probably be an cd
[18:53] <Bauldrick> thats what im saying - its not
[18:53] <x_link> My english isn't that good so it might sound a bit strange.
[18:53] <themumbler> when i put the dvd in the drive, the installer starts up, and the only options are to restart now or later.
[18:53] <x_link> In Kubuntu Gutsy I could do this "sudo visudo" and I could just change the settings.
[18:53] <flipstar> Bauldrick: it's just called driver manager if youre on hardy
[18:53] <x_link> But now in Kubuntu Hardy I can't do it like that. I can't write anything when I do "sudo visudo". Seems like it's using vim.
[18:53] <Kuwanger> flipstar: Is it possible to run the updater from the cd image without burning the cd?
[18:53] <x_link> I just did sudo aptitude purge vim, but vim is still in use.
[18:54] <x_link> Was it another program in Gutsy or what?
[18:54] <x_link> Cause I want to use that program instead of vim.
[18:54] <trait> what does visudo do, x_link
[18:54] <trait> ??
[18:54] <flipstar> x_link: if you now the syntax you can edit with kate (or your editor) and then check with visudo -c
[18:54] <x_link> trait: I change something in visudo so that I don't need to type the password for sudo everytime.
[18:54] <Jack111> hi could anyone help me for a sec with this issue about unmet dependencies?http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/m7d221c96
[18:54] <dave11> themumbler: you dont put wubi on a dvd, you run it in windows from the desktop
[18:55] <themumbler> yes i know. i do not have wubi on a dvd.
[18:55] <trait> try su
[18:55] <flipstar> Kuwanger: yes you can mount it and then add to software sources
[18:55] <x_link> flipstar: I already change it, I did sudo nano /etc/sudoers.
[18:55] <themumbler> kubuntu is on a dvd.
[18:55] <genii> x_link: Just use sudo nano /etc/sudoers
[18:55] <x_link> But I want the same program as in Gutsy.
[18:55] <dave11> themumbler: i must not understand
[18:55] <becky_> themumbler: this is the screen you want: http://kubuntu.org/images/hardy_wubi.png
[18:55] <x_link> genii: I know I can do that.
[18:55] <themumbler> that is the prblem. i am trying to figure out how to install it with wubi.
[18:55] <x_link> Ahh, maybe you guys don't understand me.
[18:55] <becky_> dave11: he has the dvd of ubuntu and wants to install kubuntu wubi version!
[18:56] <dave11> becky_: ohh
[18:56] <themumbler> becky_: that is not what i see.
[18:57] <genii> x_link: vi has ALWAYS been default editor for vipw and visudo   So I'm not sure why you're surprisd to see it as the editor for editing the sudoers file when issuing visudo
[18:57] <x_link> genii: Okey.
[18:57] <dave11> there should be a drop down window with the kubuntu option in wubi
[18:57] <x_link> genii: Thanks anyway the, I appreciate your help.
[18:57] <flipstar> x_link: that's probably why its called VIsudo ;)
[18:58] <x_link> In Kubuntu Gutsy I could just type --> sudo visudo. And I could change some settings there.
[18:58] <x_link> But now in Kubuntu Hardy I can't, I can't write any letter at all when I type --> sudo visudo.
[18:59] <themumbler> dave11:that will download and install. i already have the dvd. how can i get wubi to install from that instead?
[18:59] <becky_> themumbler: I'm wondering if the dvd doesn't have the wubi installer on it...
[18:59] <Kuwanger> flipstar: Thanks for the suggestion.  I think I'll go that route.
[19:00] <dave11> themumbler: no it dosent
[19:00] <CrocoJet> all packages with names "kde4" are for kde4, right ?
[19:00] <themumbler> becky_:i've searched the dvd and didn't find it.
[19:00] <becky_> themumbler: you need to download the cd and install with that.
[19:00] <flipstar> Kuwanger: if youre tired of downloading you still can use https://shipit.kubuntu.org/ ..
[19:00] <CrocoJet> for example: ksnapshot-kde4 .. etc etc
[19:00] <CrocoJet> others is not good to use, right ?
[19:01] <dave11> themumbler: its either thre disk or wubi
[19:01] <Kuwanger> flipstar: I've made a request already.  I'm not sure if I'll download it or not.
[19:01] <themumbler> becky_:oh. it's not possible to do it with the dvd iso?
[19:01] <CrocoJet> I have video board nvidia GT 8500 .. I made install of nvidia-glx-new
[19:01] <CrocoJet> and now ?
[19:01] <becky_> themumbler: apparantly not. sorry for the confusion...
[19:01] <themumbler> becky_: oh. it's not possible to do it with the dvd iso?
[19:02] <themumbler> oh, ok.
[19:02] <flipstar> Kuwanger: just ask a friend best from an university :p
[19:02] <themumbler> well crap.
[19:02] <becky_> themumbler: go here: http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php and download the cd version from a mirror
[19:02] <CrocoJet> exist some client irc for kde4 ?
[19:02] <becky_> themumbler: on the bright side you only have to download 700MB and not several GB... ;)
[19:02] <Kuwanger> flipstar: Hmm..that indirectly is a good idea.
[19:02] <venik> my attempts to upgrade to hardy crashed.  NOw I cannot even run ADEPT-- it complains about UNABLE TO COMMIT etc.  What can I do?
[19:02] <themumbler> yeah, that's where is just got the dvd last night.
[19:03] <Kuwanger> flipstar: Anyways, thanks again.
[19:03] <themumbler> ok. thanks becky_ and dave11.
[19:03] <tekgeek> anyone know the difference between  "alternate" and "desktop" with the 8.04 download?
[19:04] <becky_> themumbler: np
[19:04] <flipstar> tekgeek: alternate is text based install, desktop is a live cd
[19:04] <tekgeek> thanx flipstar
[19:04] <becky_> tekgeek: alternate gives more options also
[19:04] <dave11> themumbler: your welcome
[19:04] <CrocoJet> someone can help me with install nvidia drivers in kubuntu 8.04 ?
[19:04] <genii> desktop has livecd and graphical install for most generic boxes. Alternate has no livecd, text based install and support for wider range of devices on problemmatic systems
[19:04] <becky_> tekgeek: examples are raid setups and lvm options
[19:05] <venik> I cannot even install from the live cd-- it gags on the bluetooth thing
[19:05] <flipstar> CrocoJet: kmenu->system->driver manager
[19:05] <CrocoJet> flipstar: let me see
[19:05] <sandro> hey i was upgrading since 1130 last night to 8.04 and its been stuck @ 83 percent
[19:05] <dave11> venik: have you been to the #ubuntu chat.. its jammed with problems
[19:05] <sandro> i think it froze or something
[19:06] <sandro> all i know is that i dont have flash to open videos
[19:06] <CrocoJet> status show .. not in use but marked "enable"
[19:06] <flipstar> sandro: stucked at downloading ?
[19:06] <bleaked> flipstar: so i got it to work.. turns out, because i copied my old gutsy xorg conf, which disabled composite (needed for xgl, but not aiglx), compiz was not able to load.
[19:07] <CrocoJet> brb
[19:07] <venik> OK-- I'll take a look... And here I was yesterday, touting UBUNTU's stability and ease of use, operation and installation
[19:07] <genii> sandro: We went throught htis earlier with you
[19:07] <sandro> yea i dont think im dowloading anything though
[19:07] <flipstar> bleaked: thats great :) except than the idea to copy configs between releases..
[19:07] <jdwatson> The URL preview in FF 3 beta is weird. Not sure I like it
[19:08] <dave11> venik: I lost 2 dvds trying to burn the dvd iso
[19:08] <flipstar> sandro: when it's stucked at downloading you can break it and resume i think
[19:09] <x-X-x> where does mozilla keep website passwords ??
[19:09] <venik> burning it was not difficult, but I failed in using it to install the new version as a fresh install-- it gagged on the bluethooth and simply stopped
[19:09] <sandro> genii: im shipping out in one day and i just want to be able to have everything updated
[19:09] <genii> What I said a few hours ago to you: sandro: Your best bet right now is just interrupt it, then add a different mirror that may not be so swamped as the main one onto your sources instead of the main one
[19:09] <venik> I do not even have any bluetooth devices
[19:09] <dave11> venik: i think there promise of getting it out on time caused problems
[19:09] <sandro> genii: im sorry im a total newb how do i interrupt and add a different mirror
[19:10] <venik> I guess so... it is a disaster for me
[19:10] <sandro> genii: ive only had ubuntu for a month and a half
[19:10] <dave11> venik: me to.. im waiting along time to update
[19:10] <genii> sandro: So you are using right now the updater which was on your bar next to the clock?
[19:10] <sandro> yes
[19:11] <sandro> it was updating last night and when i woke up it was still at 83%
[19:12] <dave11> sandro: the servers are jammed
[19:12] <becky_> sandro: it is due to a huge amount of people doing this at the same time...
[19:12] <venik> sorry to say this, but I am glad I have an XP machine working, otherwise I'll be high and dry
[19:13] <dave11> venik: I am sticking with 7.10 foer awhile
[19:13] <venik> but now I have a mixture-- half 8.04 and half 7.10
[19:13] <venik> this is not professional
[19:13] <xanax`> hello
[19:13] <dave11> venik: sorry to hear that
[19:13] <genii> sandro: OK. So to halt it, do:  ctrl-alt-esc   then put the X on it and click.   Then open up the program Konsole.From there we need to do some other things to clean out the pid file and so on. Let me know when the updater has been killed and when you have opened Konsole
[19:14] <venik> is doing:  sudo dpkg --configure -a  dangerous?
[19:14] <bleaked> is the preferred way of loading emerald in hardy to make a script in ~/.kde/Autostart ?
[19:15] <xanax`> how can I install kde 4 alongside kde 3 (without getting rid of kde 3) ?
[19:15] <bleaked> xanax`: install the regular kde3 kubuntu, then install the kde4 packages from the repos
[19:15] <genii> !aptfix
[19:15] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[19:16] <dave11> venik: what i do when a new version comes out  is download the live cd and see id it works first before commiting to a full install
[19:16] <venik> wise man
[19:17] <venik> I guess I was gullible
[19:17] <venik> "The UBUNTU team is proud to announce"... etc
[19:17] <dave11> venik: lessons learned.. thats what its about
[19:17] <venik> why doesn't the live cd let me reformat my disk?
[19:18] <JackWinter> hmm, can i setup kde to use esd ?
[19:18] <venik> do I need to use the alternate cd for that?
[19:18] <genii> sandro: So in Konsole to do what the bot suggests. eg: sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a                                 Then we need to alter the sources.list file to look at a new place for updates.
[19:18] <themumbler> hey becky....
[19:18] <spatry> Hi
[19:18] <spatry> can I have persisten home with kubuntu live cd?
[19:18] <linuxguymarshall> I am having trouble upgrading to 8.04. I realise I am probably the 1,000,000th person to ask this today but I need help
[19:18] <spatry> 8.04?
[19:18] <dave11> venik: ino the alternate cd is for install only
[19:18] <flipstar> linuxguymarshall: trouble ..?
[19:18] <spatry> tried casper-rw with "persistent" option at boot with no luck :(
[19:19] <linuxguymarshall> flipstar:I keep getting a error where I cant download the upgrade manager
[19:19] <themumbler> dave11: i just figured out how to install the dvd with wubi.
[19:20] <dave11> themumbler: well you know more than me..  id be careful ive heard alot of problems about 8.04
[19:21] <flipstar> linuxguymarshall: try changing the mirror in adept if its a server issue
[19:21] <genii> sandro: For that, we do: alt-f2               then: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list                                   then replace in there wherever it has archive.ubuntu.com     with something like us.archive.ubuntu.com         or ca.archive.ubuntu.com     or <yourcountrycodehere>.archive.ubuntu.com            then save the changes. Then go back to the Konsole and put:     sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:21] <linuxguymarshall> flipstar:Ok
[19:21] <themumbler> dave11: grab the wubi installer from wubi-installer.org
[19:21] <dave11> themumbler: id try yhe live cd first
[19:21] <flipstar> genii: it's much easier using adept :)
[19:21] <genii> Someone please dblcheck my instructions if they are good or no
[19:22] <genii> flipstar: Step in if you like :)
[19:22] <linuxguymarshall> Flipstar:It just started to work
[19:22] <themumbler> move the exe to the same folder as the iso. when you start the installer, it will automatically recognize the iso and offer it in the dropdown box.
[19:22] <dave11> themumbler: or dvd in your case
[19:23] <genii> flipstar: I give wm-agnostic instructions (except for gui editor) so that same instructions could apply equally well for Ubuntu Kubuntu Xubuntu     etc etc
[19:23] <xanax`> bleaked : (about installing kde 4 alongside kde 3), ...  won't it erase kde 3 if I apt-get install kde 4 from the repositories ?
[19:23] <flipstar> genii: thats wise :) but this here is the kubuntu channel ;)
[19:25] <flipstar> xanax`: no you'll keep kde3 and can choose between both in the login manager
[19:25] <xanax`> cool
[19:26] <dave11> themumbler: yeah i run linux on a seperate system
[19:28] <Tailsfan> Hello There
[19:29] <Tailsfan> 1. Can you install Kubuntu to the Hard Drive via Jumpdrive and 2.are they're any GUI programs for mounting ISOs on Kubuntu?
[19:29] <dick> Hi, anybody here having trouble with the online update to 8.04?
[19:30] <flipstar> Tailsfan: 1.what's Jumpdrive ? 2.yes >gisomount
[19:30] <Tailsfan> Jumpdrive = Flash Drive, USB Stick
[19:30] <flipstar> sure you can install on a usb stick
[19:31] <Tailsfan> OK
[19:31] <flipstar> !install | details here
[19:31] <ubotu> details here: Ubuntu can be installed in a lot of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall. Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[19:31] <Tailsfan> because I;m extracting the KDE4 Remix to my USB Stick as I type
[19:31] <venik> is tehre ANYWAY to format my disk>
[19:32] <Tailsfan> I also have to go and get bcm43xx-fwcutter
[19:32] <flipstar> venik: what the prob ?
[19:32] <vadrao> Hi all, in Kubuntu Hardy I cannot configure any external panels I add. I think it is a bug and about to file a bug report if you could confirm it too. I am using KDE 3.5.
[19:32] <venik> simply tell me how to format my hard drive, so I could do a clean install of this stable, user friendly OS
[19:32] <flipstar> venik: use qtparted or so
[19:33] <trait> can anyone help with an hda-intel problem on hardy?
[19:34] <trait> cant start alsamixer
[19:34] <Tailsfan> Kubuntu doesn't use ALSA I think
[19:34] <Tailsfan> I think it uses something else
[19:34] <mefisto__> of course it does
[19:34] <trait> oh
[19:34] <trait> so.
[19:35] <annma> hello people
[19:35] <trait> what does it use?
[19:35] <Tailsfan> Hey annma
[19:35] <annma> I have a translation issue where a "BROKEN TRANSLATION" message appears
[19:35] <flipstar> vadrao: you can't configure the second kicker ?
[19:35] <annma> is that a Ubuntu thing?
[19:36] <vadrao> flipstar @
[19:36] <vadrao> flipstar @ Yes
[19:36] <trait> what uses kubuntu instead of alsa?
[19:36] <Tailsfan> JaCK I think
[19:36] <mefisto__> trait: it does use alsa
[19:37] <vadrao> I am not sure if this is problem with my installation or a general bug..So just need some kind of a confirmation from you all.. Thanks
[19:37] <flipstar> vadrao: did you already restarted kicker since you added it ?
[19:37] <trait> so. mefisto, can you tell me, why alsamixer says
[19:37] <trait> ALSA lib simple_none.c:1738:(simple_add1) helem (MIXER,'Headphone Playback Switch',0,2,0) appears twice or more
[19:37] <trait> alsamixer: function snd_mixer_load failed: Invalid argument
[19:37] <Tailsfan> I also wish that compiling the ralink drivers are possible for me
[19:37] <trait> Tailsfan for what module?
[19:38] <Berzerker> anyone here experienced in installing on a Macbook Pro?
[19:38] <dick> Tailsfan, I agree about ralink.  Can't put Kubuntu on my laptor cuz of that.
[19:38] <Tailsfan> rt2570, as in the Nintendo Wi-Fi USB Connector
[19:38] <trait> Oo
[19:38] <flipstar> vadrao: after you restarted kicker a drop down box should appear
[19:38] <vadrao> flipstar : Well, I did not do that. I am not sure how I can restart it also. Could you please let me know
[19:38] <trait> i fist nee wlan with ralink :)
[19:38] <Tailsfan> ???
[19:38] <dhq> i guess the ubuntu server is choked
[19:39] <Tailsfan> I do like KDE 4
[19:39] <Tailsfan> but it's beta :(
[19:39] <trait> me too, but there are so many fucking bugs
[19:39] <mefisto__> trait: are you using kde4?
[19:39] <flipstar> vadrao: open a shell.then type killall kicker
[19:39] <trait> yes
[19:39] <flipstar> vadrao: after that type kicker&
[19:39] <trait> hardy
[19:39] <Berzerker> anyone?
[19:39] <Tailsfan> That is what I;m going to try to do
[19:39] <trait> not me, Berzerker
[19:40] <vadrao> flipstar : Let me explain it in detail. I have the KDE kicker by default. Now I add another panel. I can right click and I get options and all. But when I change the size of it then all it does is change the size of the main panel.. not the new one I created
[19:40] <Tailsfan> when I ran Ubuntu, I had some gibberish Build Error
[19:40] <mefisto__> trait: I'm not too sure about kde4. you might have better luck in #kubuntu-kde4
[19:41] <vadrao> flipstar : Thanks a lot.. That trick worked
[19:41] <trait> ah
[19:41] <flipstar> vadrao: yes..you need to restart kicker to get a menu where you can select the kicker you want to edit
[19:41] <trait> thanks
[19:41] <flipstar> vadrao: nice :)
[19:41] <vadrao> I restarted it and now I can change the options
[19:41] <vadrao> Thank you very much
[19:41] <budgieboy> Hi
[19:41] <budgieboy> How do i update?
[19:41] <jussi01> !ubpgrade
[19:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubpgrade - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:42] <jussi01> !upgrade
[19:42] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[19:42] <budgieboy> Cheers
[19:42] <trait> mefisto__
[19:42] <trait> but do you know what this alsamixer output means?
[19:42] <seclein> hi, how do i install the nvidia drver in kubuntu hardy? the restricted driver manager isn't showing up
[19:42] <seclein> i have all the repos enabled
[19:44] <bleaked> seclein: in K menu, under System, then Hardware Drivers Manager
[19:44] <seclein> bleaked: i don't see that in the system settings
[19:45] <bleaked> it's in the K menu, not system settings
[19:45] <bleaked> apparently it moved.. *shrug*
[19:45] <seclein> bleaked: ah, ok, thanks!
[19:48] <budgieboy> Hi, I got The sims 2 and all it's expansions working, how do I get it to a higher resolution?
[19:49] <bleaked> budgieboy: with what, wine?
[19:50] <budgieboy> no, some other pogram I made myself
[19:50] <budgieboy> same thing though
[19:51] <mefisto__> *groan*
[19:51] <unix_infidel> is a dist-upgrade from 8.04 beta to final not recommended?
[19:51] <maduser> what?
[19:51] <maduser> I had no problems
[19:51] <budgieboy> W-Hat?
[19:51] <jussio1> !beta
[19:51] <test> Can somebody help: Konqueror is not online (everything else is ok *g*), always shows: An error occurred while loading http://www.google.de: for example. its a fresh hardy kde3 installation (kubuntu)
[19:51] <ubotu> If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Hardy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[19:52] <FrauHansen> am i the only one with no version-upgrade button in the adept manager?
[19:52] <maduser> did you follow the instructions on the site>
[19:52] <maduser> did you follow the instructions on the site?
[19:52] <budgieboy> I made my own distro
[19:52] <budgieboy> still making it
[19:53] <FrauHansen> maduser: of course
[19:53] <budgieboy> it's managed to run the sims 2 and all its expansions
[19:53] <jackault> FrauHansen: I don't have one either
[19:53] <jackault> FrauHansen: But it's irrlevant, just get the alternate cd and upgrade.
[19:53] <vadrao> FrauHansen : try clicking on "fetch updates" and then see if the version-upgrade button is activated or not
[19:53] <budgieboy> It's called Avary Linux
[19:53] <flipstar> kicker crashed..so how do i get my programs back ? like ktorrent ? it just says already running..
[19:53] <jussio1> !ot | budgieboy
[19:53] <ubotu> budgieboy: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[19:53] <FrauHansen> vadrao: already did this 3 times
[19:54] <mefisto__> budgieboy: get help at #budgie-linux
[19:54] <budgieboy> lol
[19:54] <neon> help can't access e-sata, hd gets recognized once i plug it, but no files show once i click on it
[19:54] <maduser> flipstar: alt-f2: kicker
[19:54] <FuSiON2> has anbody else update problems? map apt-get always stops somewhere in the middle of getting the headers
[19:54] <test> Can somebody help: Konqueror is not online (everything else is ok *g*), always shows: An error occurred while loading http://www.google.de: for example. its a fresh hardy kde3 installation (kubuntu)
[19:54] <FrauHansen> jackault: got the iso, but no empty cd to burn it on xD
[19:54] <flipstar> maduser: it's running but i dont see ktorrent anywhere
[19:54] <jussio1> FuSiON2: the repos are slow/down because of te version release
[19:54] <budgieboy> told ya, my budgie linux
[19:54] <jussio1> !repeat | test
[19:54] <ubotu> test: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com  http://wiki.ubuntu.com http://www.ubuntuforums.org or http://www.kubuntuforums.net while you wait. Also see !patience
[19:55] <vadrao> FrauHansen: That either means that you are running the latest and do not need to do a version upgrade..
[19:55] <FuSiON2> jussi01: thank, I'll wait then :)
[19:55] <test> oh i would... but with no running konqueror... sorry for repeating
[19:55] <jussio1> :)
[19:55] <flipstar> FuSiON2: wait..or change the mirror ;)
[19:55] <FrauHansen> vadrao: erm, i don't think so. i'm still on gutsy
[19:56] <ubuntu__> hi all
[19:56] <flipstar> FrauHansen: just use the update-manager
[19:56] <budgieboy> try out my #budgie-linux
[19:56] <neon> help can't access e-sata, hd gets recognized once i plug it, but when i click on it it says "system policy prevents mounting external media" how can i fix that
[19:56] <jussio1> budgieboy: please dont spam that any more :)
[19:56] <budgieboy> root
[19:56] <FrauHansen> flipstar: is that save on Kubuntu?
[19:56] <flipstar> sure
[19:57] <flipstar> i think they even recommend update-manager
[19:57] <budgieboy> full upgrade timez!
[19:57] <kubuntu> my computer locksup when i go to web sites with flash
[19:57] <jackault> wow I keep getting the error neon mentioned when I connect an external drive to my gutsy. You could find a way to mount it in if you go to the control panel and click the advacned tab, there in teh device manager your drives will be listed, enable it fron there.
[19:57] <budgieboy> get flash then
[19:57] <jussio1> !flash | kubuntu
[19:57] <ubotu> kubuntu: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[19:58] <kubuntu> I have adobe flash
[19:58] <vadrao> FrauHansen : By the way you have to follow the instrucions on kubuntu.org to upgrade..https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades/Kubuntu
[19:58] <kubuntu> and hady kubuntu
[19:59] <jussio1> kubuntu: on konq or firefox?
[19:59] <budgieboy> im upgrading now
[19:59] <kubuntu> both
[19:59] <jackault> neon I'm sorry I meant look in "system settings" and under the advanced tab look for "disk and filesystems" assuming they didn't change the names in hardy
[19:59] <FrauHansen> vadrao: i wouldn't be here if that process worked for me^^
[19:59] <kubuntu> firefox crashes
[19:59] <kubuntu> and some times locksup
[19:59] <jussio1> kubuntu: curious.  there was a bug sometime back with that on fire fox...
[19:59] <mefisto__> kubuntu: all sites with flash? or just some?
[19:59] <kubuntu> all
[20:00] <jussio1> !fffc | kubuntu
[20:00] <ubotu> kubuntu: If Firefox is crashing on sites using Flash try adding "export XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1" to /etc/firefox/firefoxrc (ref: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/14911 )
[20:00] <budgieboy> java maybe?
[20:00] <test> hm
[20:00] <chrisrogers> help me
[20:00] <budgieboy> dont listen to the robot, its out to get you
[20:00] <kubuntu> ill try that
[20:00] <vadrao> FrauHansen : Can you install any other s/w at all ?
[20:00] <FrauHansen> vadrao: step 3 is the point. how am i supposed to click a button when it's not there
[20:01] <chrisrogers> i'm having problems with Kubuntu 8.04
[20:01] <maduser> what?
[20:01] <FrauHansen> vadrao: what is s/w ?
[20:01] <vadrao> FrauHansen : software
[20:01] <budgieboy> it is there
[20:01] <chrisrogers> after installing compiz and the advanced settings and emerald i can't log out or shut down
[20:01] <chrisrogers> i've tried everything on the web
[20:01] <FrauHansen> vadrao: yep
[20:02] <budgieboy> it's in the top right
[20:02] <budgieboy> click adept
[20:02] <chrisrogers> adept manager?
[20:02] <budgieboy> ye
[20:02] <budgieboy> theres a thing in the top left
[20:02] <flipstar> chrisrogers: so what happens if you type shutdown in a shell ?
[20:03] <budgieboy> "adept" in adept manager
[20:03] <chrisrogers> ok
[20:03] <budgieboy> click manage repositories
[20:03] <chrisrogers> ok
[20:03] <kubuntu> ubotu i have firefox 3b5 /ect/firefox/firefoxxrc dose not exist
[20:03] <chrisrogers> i like synaptic better lol
[20:03] <chrisrogers> ok now what
[20:03] <budgieboy> clcik updates tab
[20:03] <chrisrogers> ok
[20:03] <chrisrogers> now what
[20:03] <jussio1> !bot > kubuntu
[20:03] <budgieboy> tick recommended updated and pre release
[20:03] <jussio1> !enter | chrisrogers
[20:03] <ubotu> chrisrogers: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[20:04] <vadrao> FrauHansen:  type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a Konsole to upgrade then
[20:04] <vadrao> the traditional way
[20:04] <budgieboy> then clcik reload
[20:04] <chrisrogers> ok, now what?
[20:04] <kubuntu> the bot was just talking to me a second ago
[20:04] <budgieboy> reload, let it do its stuff and when its done on adept there will be a full upgrade button
[20:05] <jussio1> kubuntu: yes, I made it talk to you :)
[20:05] <chrisrogers> so that will fix it?
[20:05] <budgieboy> I wear a mgnet around my neck, the bot cant help me
[20:05] <budgieboy> or talk to me
[20:05] <kubuntu> ok jussio i have firefox 3b5 /ect/firefox/firefoxxrc dose not exist
[20:06] <chrisrogers> man the servers are bogged down lol
[20:06] <budgieboy> The latest update will turn your kubuntu hard
[20:06] <jussio1> kubuntu: yeah, as I saisd the bug is a bit old - it may not be applicable any more. did you just install flash?
[20:06] <budgieboy> lol
[20:06] <flipstar> kubuntu: its /etc/firefox-3.0/firefoxrc
[20:06] <budgieboy> hardy hard
[20:06] <chrisrogers> will this also fix gnome, i'm having the same problem there
[20:06] <budgieboy> maybe
[20:06] <chrisrogers> i have gnome installed too, don't like it as much tho
[20:07] <budgieboy> use KDE
[20:07] <budgieboy> FTW
[20:07] <chrisrogers> i can't get it on the wireless network
[20:07] <kubuntu> yeah i installed nonfree flash from adept
[20:07] <freddy> COMO ME CAMBIO A ESPAÑÑOL
[20:07] <Odd-rationale> !es | freddy
[20:07] <ubotu> freddy: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[20:08] <chrisrogers> had to use ndiswrapper to install the windows xp driver for my Atheros AR5008X
[20:08] <chrisrogers> oh great
[20:08] <chrisrogers> no full upgrade button
[20:08] <budgieboy> oh rly?
[20:08] <chrisrogers> yea
[20:08] <chrisrogers> go figure
[20:08] <budgieboy> you did something wrong
[20:08] <budgieboy> but like you said, this is LINUX!
[20:08] <chrisrogers> that's my luck
[20:09] <budgieboy> yep LINUX
[20:09] <flipstar> btw is there a way to load /bin and /usr/bin at startup into /dev/shm ?
[20:09] <budgieboy> get suse, it's already done
[20:09] <budgieboy> Suse is the most stable and complete of all
[20:09] <chrisrogers> i like kubuntu
[20:09] <budgieboy> Since its the main linux of all
[20:09] <chrisrogers> KDE rocks
[20:09] <budgieboy> KDe is suse
[20:09] <budgieboy> suse is hte main linux
[20:09] <chrisrogers> and i want to use compiz and emerald
[20:09] <budgieboy> same
[20:09] <chrisrogers> oh
[20:09] <budgieboy> Suse is the mother Linux
[20:09] <jussio1> !ot | budgieboy
[20:09] <ubotu> budgieboy: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[20:10] <chrisrogers> can i install Suse using wubi?
[20:10] <stdin> budgieboy: keep your personal opinion of which distro is best to yourself
[20:10] <Lynoure> chrisrogers: ask about it on #suse?
[20:10] <budgieboy> I dunno, you best buy a DVD packed with programs and stuff
[20:10] <chrisrogers> i don't buy anything :D
[20:10] <Trel> In hardy, ksynaptics isn't in the repositories. What's the best alternative to that program?
[20:11] <budgieboy> But in terms of Ose's its really Windows, Max and Suse Linux
[20:11] <dwidmann> Trel: qsynaptics, touchfreeze
[20:11] <Trel> dwidmann, I'll check out qsynaptics, it sounds familiar
[20:11] <dwidmann> Trel: come to think of it, qsynaptics was obsoleted too
[20:11] <chrisrogers> anybody else have a possible fix for my problem?
[20:11] <budgieboy> hmm to much offtopic
[20:12] <Trel> dwidmann, if that's the case, which is the most current?
[20:12] <Odd-rationale> chrisrogers: are you running 7.10?
[20:12] <chrisrogers> Black screen on logout/shutdown after installing compiz, settings-manager, and emerald
[20:12] <chrisrogers> no
[20:12] <chrisrogers> 8.04
[20:12] <dwidmann> Trel: you'll need to build touch freeze from source, and it's not as flexible ..... but it works and it was written by the person who wrote qsynaptics and ksynaptics (he discontinued them in favor of this new one though)
[20:13] <Odd-rationale> chrisrogers: what was your problem? no full upgrade button in adept?
[20:13] <chrisrogers> no
[20:13] <chrisrogers> Black screen on logout/shutdown after installing compiz, settings-manager, and emerald
[20:13] <Trel> touchfreeze isn't in repositories then? (was ksynaptics the one with the ability to redefine edges)?
[20:13] <Odd-rationale> chrisrogers: running the kde 3.5.9 version I assume?
[20:13] <chrisrogers> i guess
[20:14] <budgieboy> chris use "lsb_release -a" in konsole
[20:14] <budgieboy> tells you your version
[20:14] <neon> ok i am making progress, but everytime i turn the e-sata hd on i have to type "mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /E-SATA -0 force" how can i get around doing that everytime?
[20:14] <chrisrogers> 3.5.9 yea
[20:14] <nosrednaekim> neon: systemsettings->advanced->disks and partitions
[20:14] <chrisrogers> please help :D
[20:15] <Odd-rationale> chrisrogers: so when you try to end your kde session it black screens and hangs there?
[20:15] <chrisrogers> yep
[20:15] <Odd-rationale> chrisrogers: does it do that only when you try to end kde session with compiz running?
[20:15] <neon> i'm there i can access the files now , just have to type that command everytime i turn the external hd on, let me play with the settings a bit more
[20:15] <chrisrogers> nope, anytime
[20:15] <chrisrogers> now
[20:16] <Odd-rationale> chrisrogers: even if you turn compix off and use kwin?
[20:16] <Odd-rationale> *compiz
[20:16] <chrisrogers> yep
[20:16] <mattchew_> I installed kubuntu 8.04 yesterday, but I can't seem to download anything from the official ubuntu/kubuntu repositories
[20:16] <budgieboy> even when tux is raping suse?
[20:16] <Odd-rationale> !slow | mattchew_
[20:16] <ubotu> mattchew_: The Ubuntu repositories and ISO mirrors are currently under heavy load due to the release of the latest edition. Please consider using !torrents to download ISO images, and be patient with APT updates.
[20:16] <mattchew_> thx
[20:16] <vadrao> chrisrogers: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/181343
[20:16] <karl_> thx for the kick on budg
[20:17] <freddy_> ESPAÑOL
[20:17] <vadrao> chrisrogers: It could be a bug
[20:17] <stdin> !es | freddy_
[20:17] <ubotu> freddy_: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[20:17] <nosrednaekim> matthew_: go into adept->manage repositories and enable them all
[20:17] <nosrednaekim> matthew_: or the mirrors might just be really really slow
[20:18] <xst> Are repositories really slow currently?
[20:18] <Odd-rationale> chrisrogers: are you sure compiz is off? (do alt+f2 and type in "kwin --replace")
[20:18] <genii> Too bad source-o-matic isn't around anymore. We could refer ppl with slow updates there to find their local mirrors instead of hammering the main one
[20:18] <xst> Can I somehow make my gutsy->hardy upgrade use another mirror?
[20:19] <Odd-rationale> xst: open adept and go to Adept-->manage repositories
[20:19] <vadrao> xst : Yes, you can change those settings in adept-manager
[20:19] <chrisrogers> brb guys
[20:19] <Ketrel> would it still be safe to install ksynaptics?
[20:19] <Ketrel> manually
[20:20] <Odd-rationale> xst: then under download from, choose other in the dropdown box
[20:20] <nosrednaekim> Ketrel: if you can find a deb for hardy
[20:20] <angasule> ubotu's Spanish message is kind of broken, language names are not capitalised in Spanish, plus "para español" makes no sense (verb missing)
[20:20] <JackWinter> hm, running a wine application (2:nd life), uses alsa for output.  how do i get that to share sound server with kde/amarok ?
[20:20] <nosrednaekim> para habla en espanol?
[20:20] <xst> Odd-rationale: Great! Thanks!!!
[20:20] <stdin> angasule: you can send in a replacement request, do /msg ubotu no es is ...
[20:21] <Odd-rationale> xst: np
[20:21] <nosrednaekim> genii: or it should automaticcally detect the best mirror on upgrades.
[20:21] <angasule> stdin: where do I send it?
[20:22] <jussi01> angasule: it will send its sellf if you pm ubotu
[20:22] <genii> nosrednaekim: Yes, that would be the most elegant solution. Along with diff download instead of complete new packages every time.
[20:22] <stdin> angasule: when you do "/msg ubotu no es is <some reply>" it'll be sent to the editors
[20:22] <nosrednaekim> genii: I still like the idea of torrenting a tar of common packges
[20:22] <nosrednaekim> :)
[20:22] <neon> ok i got it working thanks
[20:22] <genii> hmm
[20:22] <angasule> oh, the bot said something to that effect already in a pm (I guess I triggered it somehow)
[20:23] <chrisrogers> well that didn't work
[20:23] <Odd-rationale> chrisrogers: "kwin --replace" ?
[20:23] <chrisrogers> tried it
[20:23] <neon> on an ASUS laptop does the webcam (bisoncam) works under kubuntu?
[20:23] <chrisrogers> didn't work
[20:23] <mefisto__> does anyone ever get ktorrent freezing, or disappearing, or not starting up?
[20:24] <JackWinter> or is it possible to setup kde/amarok to use esd ?
[20:24] <jussio1> angasule: when you say to the bot something is something, it sends it to the editors.
[20:24] <vadrao>  chrisrogers: I thinkthat could be a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/181343
[20:24] <vadrao> Check it out
[20:24] <mattchew_> I have kubuntu 8.04 installed, but I also have the disk for ubuntu 8.04 (both are i386).  I want to try and install firefox from the ubuntu disk, but when I add the disk in adept and fetch updates, I can't find any new packages.  Sugestions (other than torrenting the tars)?
[20:24] <Odd-rationale> chrisrogers: try this. In order to log out. Just do ctrl+alt+bksp instead....
[20:24] <Odd-rationale> jk
[20:24] <chrisrogers> tried ctrl+alt+bksp
[20:24] <kunal_> hi, in KDE4, how does one delete a file on the desktop?
[20:24] <Odd-rationale> chrisrogers: did that bring you to kdm?
[20:24] <chrisrogers> no
[20:25] <nosrednaekim> mattchew_: unless its the alternate installer, you can't do that
[20:25] <Odd-rationale> kunal_: right-click --> del
[20:25] <mattchew_> thx
[20:25] <kunal_> there is no delete option on right click and 'Remove Icon' doesn't delete the file
[20:25] <chrisrogers> it exits kdm and and blackscreens again
[20:25] <kunal_> Odd-rationale: there is no del on right-click in my KDE4
[20:26] <Odd-rationale> kunal_: hmm. try del on your keyboard?
[20:26] <Odd-rationale> chrisrogers: it only did this after you installed compiz?
[20:26] <nosrednaekim> kunal_: you have to delete them from within dolphin
[20:26] <chrisrogers> more like emerald
[20:26] <vadrao> chrisrogers @ did you read my messages above ?
[20:27] <chrisrogers> yes, i read it vadrao and it's not that
[20:27] <vadrao> You should have acknowledged it then ?
[20:27] <Odd-rationale> chrisrogers: tried uninstalling and see if the problem persists?
[20:27] <kunal_> nosrednaekim: that seems very odd. it breaks the usual behavior
[20:27] <nosrednaekim> chrisrogers: so kdm is blackscreening whenever you log out?
[20:27] <chrisrogers> yes
[20:27] <chrisrogers> i have to do a hard shutdown
[20:28] <chrisrogers> even tried a fix online editing kdmrc
[20:28] <chrisrogers> didn't work either
[20:28] <chrisrogers> its about to drive me crazy
[20:28] <SlimeyPete> h
[20:28] <chrisrogers> i love compiz, and emerald but yea
[20:28] <nosrednaekim> chrisrogers: ok, what you do is somewhere in your /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc there is a "TerminateServer=True" un comment it
[20:28] <nosrednaekim> chrisrogers: its the ati drivers?
[20:28] <chrisrogers> yea i tried that
[20:29] <chrisrogers> yes, ati drivers
[20:29] <nosrednaekim> that fixed it for me in gutsy
[20:29] <chrisrogers> flgrx
[20:29] <chrisrogers> fglrx**
[20:29] <nosrednaekim> chrisrogers: yeah... I think its happening here, but I never shut down or reboot (always just suspend) so its not bother ing me
[20:29] <mwe> when I "safely remove" ad thumb drive I get a warning "The device was safely unmounted but could not be ejected". of course it can't eject something from the usb port. can you prevent that message?
[20:29] <chrisrogers> i can't even do that
[20:29] <Odd-rationale> nosrednaekim: lol nice solution... :)
[20:29] <chrisrogers> when i suspend, it shuts off, but when i try to start back up it don't
[20:30] <mefisto__> in konversation, up-arrow doesn't bring back previous messages. Is there a setting for this somewhere?
[20:30] <nosrednaekim> chrisrogers: ok, lets try to debug this then.,... let me do some searching
[20:30] <chrisrogers> besides i'm dual booting vista so i can't do that anyway
[20:30] <chrisrogers> btw.. just for everyone's information, wubi ROCKS!!!
[20:31] <chrisrogers> sorry random comment
[20:31] <capcom> hi. i noticed that there seems not to be any package "xmms" any more in adept.. i found several plugin packages, but not the player itself. instead of that i have many xmms2 packages. where has xmms gone?
[20:31] <nzk> Should I restart after a dist-upgrade?
[20:32] <stdin> XMMS2 is a redesign of the XMMS music player
[20:32] <stdin> nzk: only to boot into the new kernel, it's not urgently required or anything
[20:32] <karl_> what is wubi?
[20:32] <stdin> wubi is a silly name
[20:32] <stdin> !wubi
[20:32] <karl_> for..?
[20:32] <ubotu> wubi is Wubi advice here: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=234  and  http://wubi-installer.org  [file wubi bugs here:  https://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug ] (it is included in hardy 8.04 beta CD and will be in the final release)
[20:33] <karl_> thank you sir
[20:33] <Daisuke_Laptop> stdin: i don't think any of us can say much about silly names
[20:33] <TeslaTony> Every time I try playing something in MPlayer, I get "AO: [pulse] Failed to connect to server: Connection refused." Then the file plays fine
[20:33] <chrisrogers> wubi installs Kubuntu into windows just like any program, allowing you to dual-boot without even partitioning your hard drive
[20:33] <Daisuke_Laptop> though i will say "wubi" is sillier than "hardy heron"
[20:33] <karl_> hardy heron should have been hungry hipop
[20:33] <karl_> hippo
[20:33] <neon> on an ASUS laptop does the webcam (bisoncam) works under kubuntu?
[20:34] <stdin> as far as silly names go, wubi is even sillier ;)
[20:34] <chrisrogers> stdin: yea
[20:34] <TeslaTony> Wubiwubiwubiwubiwubiwubiwooo
[20:34] <Daisuke_Laptop> however, it runs slower and the virtual filesystem is - like everything in windows - prone to violent and horrible fragmentation
[20:34] <genii> Gah, wubi
[20:34] <chrisrogers> i'm going crazy
[20:34] <Daisuke_Laptop> i'm already there
[20:35] <slowpoke> hey all... has anyone else had any problems with the Restricted Drivers since upgrading?  Specifically Intel PRO wireless?
[20:35] <Daisuke_Laptop> erm
[20:35] <TeslaTony> chrisrogers: Nope. Already there. You came here of your own free will
[20:35] <Viper> if i install kubuntu from Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 4, can i install kde3.5 as well as kde4?
[20:35] <Daisuke_Laptop> slowpoke: nopw, intel 4965 here
[20:35] <chrisrogers> not that, my problem
[20:35] <nosrednaekim> Viper: yes
[20:36] <slowpoke> daisuke_laptop: what do you mean?
[20:36] <capcom> stdin: is there a way to get the old xmms interface back? the new one looks very much like amarok. i always preferred this small winamp-like design
[20:37] <chrisrogers> oops
[20:37] <stdin> if it's skinable I guess, I don't use xmms/2 so I'm not sure
[20:38] <Viper> do i just install the kubuntu-desktop package to get kde3? and won't that cause problems if at one point kde3 is replaced by kde4?
[20:38] <slowpoke> daisuke_laptop: My wireless works (sometimes), but the Intel PRO wireless no longer shows up in Restricted Drivers and the wireless LED light doesn't come on any more... was there an open-source alternative ?
[20:38] <nosrednaekim> Viper: yep, thats fine
[20:38] <chrisrogers> nosrednaekim: any luck?
[20:39] <thubuntos> hallo ist in hardy schon eine Latex Distribution?
[20:40] <nosrednaekim> chrisrogers: nope, seems the only solution is "TerimateServer=True
[20:40] <TeslaTony> !de | thubuntos
[20:40] <ubotu> thubuntos: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[20:40] <chrisrogers> well how come it's not working, i added it where they say to add it
[20:40] <mefisto__> konversation doesn't seem to bring back previously typed messages with up-arrow. Is there a setting somewhere for this?
[20:41] <nosrednaekim> chrisrogers: that might not work for Xorg 7.3
[20:41] <stdin> mefisto__: do you have the multi-line edit on?
[20:41] <chrisrogers> nosrednaekim: idk maybe not
[20:41] <stdin> mefisto__: if so, try shift-up
[20:41] <nosrednaekim> chrisrogers: apparently... not :)
[20:41] <genii> stdin: Nice call
[20:41] <chrisrogers> nosrednaekim: i've looked up the problem explicitly for Kubuntu 8.04 and that's what i keep getting
[20:41] <mefisto__> stdin: thanks, I'll try turning it off
[20:42] <nosrednaekim> really? for 8.04? link please?
[20:42] <chrisrogers> i guess i'm going to uninstall emerald and compiz
[20:43] <mefisto__> stdin: thanks, that did it (but shift-up doesn't work either)
[20:43] <slowpoke> also, "ctrl + del" no longer works to delete files!!!
[20:43] <stdin> mefisto__: it's something, shift or ctrl. I just can't remember which (you'll probably be told in #konversation when someone reads your message)
[20:44] <JackWinter> why was there no pulse in kubuntu ?
[20:44] <chrisrogers> nosrednaekim: i'm going to reinstall fglrx
[20:44] <stdin> slowpoke: ctrl-del? I always thought it was shift-del to delete (permanently)
[20:44] <slowpoke> stdin: yeah, my fault; Shift+Del doesn't work
[20:45] <slowpoke> does it work for others on Hardy?
[20:46] <nosrednaekim> chrisrogers: ok
[20:46] <stdin> slowpoke: I'm in kde4, and it works here
[20:47] <mefisto__> is there any advantage to using the gui upgrade tool rather than dist-upgrade? The gui tool has failed me on 2 machines so far. Will dist-upgrade do the same upgrade?
[20:47] <slowpoke> stdin: i found a bug report for it- it seems to affect Acer laptops.  And its the Delete key in general thats not responding... looking for a fix now
[20:47] <slowpoke> stdin: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hotkey-setup/+bug/181057
[20:48] <Viper> O.o
[20:48] <Viper> tell me if ya find one..
[20:48] <Viper> just about to install it on my acer laptop..
[20:49] <stdin> mefisto__: dist-upgrade will probably break things, use the GUI or the command line tool "do-release-upgrade" (from the update-manager-core package)
[20:49] <nosrednaekim> Viper: my acer works fine... don't worry ;)
[20:50] <Viper> ahh kk ^^
[20:50] <Odd-rationale> Is there a way to disable internet access for a guest account?
[20:50] <slowpoke> viper: it looks like its model-dependent: Extensas 5220 and 5620 (mine) seem to all be effected.
[20:50] <nosrednaekim> Odd-rationale: yeah... I think there is probably a "net" group
[20:51] <Odd-rationale> nosrednaekim: cheers!. let me try..
[20:52] <Viper> well  untill now i ve been using debian etch, but i couldn't take the driver problems anymore (sound, graphics,wireless) which is the main reason i m switching...
[20:52] <nosrednaekim> Odd-rationale: dial-out or netdev
[20:52] <Viper> so not really eager for a new set of driver issues..
[20:53] <nosrednaekim> Viper: one doesn't use Laptops for Driver ease ;P
[20:53] <Odd-rationale> nosrednaekim: ok
[20:53] <chrisrogers_> well nosrednaekim: still nothing
[20:54] <Viper> i m beginning to realize that...
[20:55] <slowpoke> Found a fix for the Delete-Key issue that affects some Acer Laptop models: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8092/
[20:55] <mefisto__> stdin: so using the gui should do the same as do-release-upgrade?
[20:55] <stdin> yes
[20:56] <landr0cks23> any admins that can help me ?
[20:56] <landr0cks23> or anyone for that matter
[20:57] <xenol> hello, i would like to ask if is there some wiki on how to install kubuntu from alternate cd
[20:57] <tro> if i've got an installation cd for Gutsy and I'm trying to update to Hardy from Feisty, should i just use the cds to update, and not rely on the network?
[20:57] <mefisto__> I often get ktorrent freezing, or disappearing, or not starting up. If I kill it, it won't start up again. Can't get it going again without rebooting.
[20:57] <tro> or are there some new packages that i need to update to while in gutsy to get to hardy?
[20:57] <Odd-rationale> nosrednaekim: hmm. but by default, no one is part of the netdev group... :?
[20:57] <nosrednaekim> Odd-rationale: then do dial-out
[20:58] <slowpoke> tro: you can update using the GUI and it will download replacement packages for you, or you can install via the CD.  Either way.
[20:58] <tro> slowpoke: well, the mirrors are really slow right now
[20:58] <xenol> !wiki
[20:58] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu development documentation wiki. If you are looking for system help, please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community - the Ubuntu community documentation.
[20:58] <tro> i was just hoping to bypass the whole waiting part
[20:58] <slowpoke> tro: yeah, i know :/
[20:58] <Daisuke_Ido> tro, easiest way is to download the alternate cd via torrent and use it to upgrade
[20:59] <tro> Daisuke_Ido: okies
[20:59] <tro> thanks
[20:59] <slowpoke> tro: you can torrent the Hardy Dvd... yeah what Daisuke said :)
[20:59] <Daisuke_Ido> but only the alternate cd, unfortunately :)
[20:59] <Odd-rationale> nosrednaekim: strange, I have dial-out group on my kubuntu machine but not on my xubuntu machine...
[20:59] <slowpoke> daisuke_ido: they don't have a hardy dvd yet?
[20:59] <slowpoke> with all the extras?
[21:00] <Daisuke_Ido> they do
[21:00] <Daisuke_Ido> but i don't know if there's an alternate dvd
[21:00] <slowpoke> i see.
[21:00] <stdin> Daisuke_Ido: the DVD is both
[21:00] <Daisuke_Ido> if there's an alternate dvd, you can certainly use that to upgrade as well
[21:00] <nosrednaekim> Odd-rationale: maybe neither of those do it.
[21:01] <Daisuke_Ido> ah ha
[21:01] <Daisuke_Ido> now i see, thank you stdin
[21:01] <stdin> live and alternate all-in-one
[21:01] <landr0cks23> for some reason screenlets wont ever load it just starts to load and then closes .. i have the error message if anyone can help me
[21:02] <Odd-rationale> nosrednaekim: hmm. ok. i'll try to find some solution... THanks!
[21:03] <nosrednaekim> landr0cks23: you running compiz?
[21:09] <Pennycook> Firefox 3 beta 5 doesn't seem to remember default applications... is that a bug in it, or with Hardy?
[21:10] <Pennycook> cdpuk: Where on Hex be it?
[21:10] <cdpuk> Pennycook: /hex/files/kubuntu-8.04 ... and wrong network XD
[21:10] <Pennycook> Yeah, realised that. :(
[21:15] <Joeseph> alright, I'm not sure what is causing my problem, so I'll start here.    In kdm, in konquerer, anytime I go onto facebook, I get disconnected.
[21:16] <Joeseph> from my network that is,  KNetworkManager will still show I have connection for a while, but then it will go away.  The only way I can get it to restart and work again is to restart my computer
[21:16] <nosrednaekim> Joeseph: kdm?
[21:17] <nosrednaekim> Joeseph: no need to restart, "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart" should fix it fine (not that it is idea at all)
[21:17] <Joeseph> nosrednaekim: the default kubuntu desktop manager.  I don't think I have this problem in gnome, I'm not sure
[21:18] <nosrednaekim> KDE :)
[21:18] <Joeseph> I'll try soon, tell you what hapens
[21:18] <Joeseph> right, I was just....   wait, what's the E?
[21:18] <Seldaek> howdy, I was wondering how I could access the KDE configuration to get the dialog from when you install it manually, where it asks how to setup KDE defaults (windows like, OSX like, ..)
[21:18] <nosrednaekim> Seldaek: sudo apt-get install kpersonalizer"
[21:19] <Seldaek> thanks
[21:19] <nosrednaekim> Joeseph: K Desktop Environment
[21:19] <nosrednaekim> kdm is the login manager ;)
[21:19] <Joeseph> right....
[21:19] <Joeseph> thanks for the help
[21:19] <nosrednaekim> but anyway.
[21:19] <nosrednaekim> ... it shouldn't be doing that
[21:19] <nosrednaekim> does it work with firefox?
[21:26] <Joeseph> nosrednaekim: I"m not sure- I'll try  really fast
[21:26] <rachid> hello
[21:26] <Joeseph> oh, just so you know, I have no crazy configuration that blocks it as far as I know
[21:27] <nosredna_ekim> Joeseph: ok
[21:27] <Joeseph> Loading.... worked in firefox
[21:27] <wilman> Hey, guys
[21:27] <Joeseph> I'll try in konqueror again
[21:27] <wilman> i have a little problem and was wondering if you could help me
[21:28] <nosredna_ekim> wilman: ok
[21:28] <nosredna_ekim> ask
[21:28] <wilman> I have a dvd player in my comp, but it only detects cdroms not only movies it does'nt detect, but also other dvds
[21:28] <wilman> when i watch at local media, it says there is just no dvd in the drive
[21:29] <trait> kann mir wer mit dme neuen kernel und alsa helfen?
[21:29] <trait> sry
[21:29] <trait> can anyone help me with the new kernel and alsa
[21:29] <trait> ?
[21:29] <trait> alsamixer says
[21:29] <trait> se my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[21:29] <nosredna_ekim> !intelHDA
[21:29] <ubotu> For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[21:29] <trait> the sound is on, but much to quiet
[21:30] <nosredna_ekim> trait: turn up everything in your mixer
[21:30] <Ketrel> Ok, I have a question, I looked at touchfreeze, and it doesn't seem to let you re-define the margins of the touchpad, is there anything in the repositories that can do that?
[21:30] <trait> mixer doesnt start anyway
[21:30] <karl_> trait, in a console type alsamixer
[21:30] <nosredna_ekim> and right click on the mixer and enable any extra channels
[21:30] <trait> i did
[21:30] <dwidmann> Ketrel: you can do a lot with t he xorg.conf
[21:30] <trait> and the output is:
[21:30] <trait> ALSA lib simple_none.c:1738:(simple_add1) helem (MIXER,'Headphone Playback Switch',0,2,0) appears twice or more
[21:30] <trait> alsamixer: function snd_mixer_load failed: Invalid argument
[21:31] <dwidmann> Ketrel: "man synaptics"
[21:31] <trait> or snypatics, Ketrel
[21:31] <trait> ^^
[21:31] <Ketrel> dwidmann to be more precise, is there a gui tool I can use?
[21:32] <trait> there was a gui, but it didn't start changes after reboot
[21:32] <trait> better write in xorg.conf
[21:32] <trait> karl_
[21:32] <trait> any other solution for me?
[21:32] <trait> or what does this output say?
[21:32] <dwidmann> Ketrel: none that I know of, now that qsynaptics has been scrapped in favor of touchfreeze (lower maintenance or something like that, but it's still in its early phases as I'm sure you've noticed)
[21:34] <poseidon> For some reason certain applications are not able to connect to the internet.
[21:34] <nosredna_ekim> trait: looks like an alsa config file is messed up
[21:34] <dwidmann> poseidon: I think I've heard of that problem before
[21:34] <trait> that means?
[21:34] <nosredna_ekim> trait: it needs to be deleted/regenerated... but unfortunately, I have to go
[21:34] <poseidon> dwidmann, any idea so to how I can fix it?
[21:35] <okv> Hi, all. I'm trying to upgrade Kubuntu from 7.04 to 7.10 through Adept Manager, but I keep getting a message "could not download the upgrade tool. Please check that your internet connection is active." Any ideas how to get it working?
[21:35] <trait> this message is posed since installing hardy
[21:35] <Ketrel> dwidmann, in that case, will reading the man file on synaptics tell me how to change the edges?
[21:35] <dwidmann> poseidon: I think it might have been knetworkmanager related as absurd as it may sound. Try killing knetworkmanager
[21:35] <poseidon> dwidmann, I used dhclient to connect to the internet
[21:36] <dwidmann> Ketrel: it should explain most of the options .... it's pretty straightforward if it's there
[21:36] <poseidon> dwidmann, I think that fixed it :)
[21:36] <poseidon> Let me check if I can access a web page
[21:36] <dwidmann> Did it? Neato
[21:36] <okv> Has anyone got the same error with Adept when trying to upgrade to newer version: "Could not download the upgrade tool. Please check that your internet connection is active."
[21:37] <poseidon> dwidmann, yea.  Thanks that really helps me out :)
[21:37] <Ketrel> Hmm, new problem, knetworkmanager is no longer connecting
[21:38] <Ketrel> it's just sticking at Activation stage: configuring device
[21:38] <Ketrel> and then eventually it asks for the WEP key again
[21:38] <okv> Ok I got it working now, I just kept trying "retry" few times.
[21:39] <dwidmann> okv: I upgraded with apt-get ... but, I wonder if it has anything to do with the ubuntu servers being hammered right now
[21:39] <okv> dwidmann: I bet it was.
[21:40] <dwidmann> okv: next time you need to do a dist-upgrade for a new release, take my word for it that you want to do it a day or two early.
[21:41] <okv> dwidmann: Yep, actually I'd like to upgrade directly to 8.04 but I just realized I have to upgrade to 7.10 first in order to get it to 8.04
[21:41] <Pennycook> If everytime I try to open a text file in Kate it opens, throws an error, opens and then throws an error, should I report it as a Kubuntu bug or a KDE4 bug?
[21:42] <dwidmann> okv: it'll be a smaller download to grab a new install cd - backing up your list of installed packages and such is fairly simple too, all you need is a seperate /home partition
[21:42] <dwidmann> Ketrel: flakey wireless, or is a new problem?
[21:43] <okv> dwidmann: I don't have separate /home currently :(
[21:43] <dwidmann> *is it
[21:43] <dwidmann> okv: you want one :P
[21:43] <Ketrel> dwidmann a new problem, it just started like 5 minutes ago
[21:43] <okv> dwidmann: I'll definitely make one, but I guess I can't make it on fly, or can I? not sure
[21:43] <Ketrel> I just zapped the knetworkrrc file and rebooted
[21:43] <Ketrel> (I will tell you if that helped
[21:43] <okv> dwidmann: Should it be done when I'm installing it in the first place?
[21:43] <dwidmann> Ketrel: good luck
[21:44] <dwidmann> okv: you can do it when installing, or whenever you want really. Making a new partition post-install isn't too difficult
[21:45] <okv> dwidmann: Gotta look into it. I definitely would like to do a clean install
[21:45] <edgy> Hi, when I select a text and try to paste it by clicking the right and left mouse button (in my laptop)  it doesn't work. This used to work properly before, what's wrong?
[21:45] <Esteban> Ok, need some help here. Trying to install Kubuntu on my laptop. But it keeps shutting down saying the temprature is too high, 105 C.. How to fix that? :S
[21:46] <dwidmann> edgy: maybe it's an issue with the selection, or perhaps you need to check your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to make sure the emulate middle mouse button is on for your mouse
[21:46] <Ketrel> dwidmann, no luck, it still does it
[21:46] <dwidmann> Ketrel: bummer
[21:46] <dwidmann> Esteban: does it *feel* like it's 105C?
[21:47] <Esteban> dwidmann: It feels warm, yeah. But been running windows and some other Linux OS's before without any problems or unstability.
[21:47] <dwidmann> Esteban: do you know its normal running temp? is 105C completely insane?
[21:48] <Esteban> dwidmann: No idea, I could try check in BIOS, one sec.
[21:48] <Ketrel> I disabled WEP to see if that helps, will report back in a moment
[21:48] <JackWinter> is there someway that i can point adept at a lesser loaded server ?  not having much luck installing anything right now ;)
[21:49] <dwidmann> JackWinter: you can change mirrors by altering your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[21:49] <mefisto__> JackWinter: you can change servers in Adept > Manage repositories
[21:50] <Esteban> dwidmann: No tempratures in BIOS.
[21:50] <JackWinter> where do i find good servers ?
[21:50] <dwidmann> JackWinter: probably trial & error
[21:50] <JackWinter> where is a list ?
[21:51] <Esteban> dwidmann: Not sure if the temp is completely insane. It sounds pretty bad with 105C tho.
[21:51] <dwidmann> JackWinter: I can assure you "us" is probably not a good one to go with
[21:51] <Ketrel> Same problem, it just sits at 28%
[21:51] <dwidmann> Esteban: should probably check things out just in case, if it really was at 105C you've got a major problem.
[21:52] <Esteban> dwidmann: Why? Debian installed just fine, SuSE did. And windows works properly, why won't *ubuntu?
[21:52] <dwidmann> Ketrel: google for issues with your wireless card?
[21:52] <kopote> hola
[21:52] <mefisto__> JackWinter: Adept > Manage repositories. Look in "download from"
[21:52] <djouallah> how to restore the adept applet, kubuntu
[21:52] <poseidon> What IRC client do you guys use?
[21:53] <Ketrel> dwidmann It shouldn't have any, this problem started 10 minutes ago, and I was using Gutsy for a week before that with no problems at all
[21:53]  * djouallah use konversation, and xchat on windows
[21:53] <JackWinter> mefisto__:  thanks i didn't click far enough. ;)
[21:53] <dwidmann> Esteban: no idea  .... just always worth it to be cautious is all I was saying (105C can probably ruin a processor pretty quick) If it has a fan was it running when the heat alarm went off?
[21:53]  * poseidon uses xchat on windows, and is thinking of using it on kubuntu as well
[21:54] <dwidmann> Ketrel: "should" and "does" are two different stories entirely.
[21:54] <djouallah> poseidon: it is a good choise i guess
[21:54] <Ketrel> dwidmann, I'm going to do two things (try with my Wii to make sure it's not the access point, and try off the liveCD)
[21:54] <Esteban> dwidmann: At full speed. I bet it's pretty hot in there. Strange.. COuld it be that the cpu is compiling with bad parameters? And the dvd-rom running at full(it makes it hotter)?
[21:55] <TeslaTony> poseidon: Which KDE? 3 or 4? Under 3 Xchat doesn't change colors for notifications for me, but it works fine under 4. Otherwise, it's pretty good
[21:56]  * djouallah can't use kde 4 untill the proxy bug is not resolved
[21:56] <dwidmann> Esteban: that stuff will add to the heat, but 105 is still *very* hot, that's hot enough to boil water after all, I'm pretty sure it'd burn you if you touched it
[21:57]  * poseidon tried kde 4 but decided it was way too buggy
[21:57] <x_link> Hi!
[21:57] <superkiwi> Hello, I have two audio devices on my motherboard, nvidia alc883 analog, and digital (which I get from aplay -l). But when I got to system settings/sound the only device listed is the analog one. How can I use the digital one?
[21:57] <dwidmann> konversation and irssi :)
[21:57] <poseidon> How do you set up dual screens in linux?  I have an nvidia graphics card
[21:57]  * djouallah is using kubuntu with wubi, it simply rocks
[21:57] <x_link> Isn't Compiz-fusion re-installed in Hardy=?
[21:57] <okv>  Is compiz as adjustable as beryl was?
[21:58] <dwidmann> poseidon: "kdesudo nvidia-setting" - that app makes it sooooooooo easy
[21:58] <Esteban> dwidmann: Well, the laptop case isn't opened. And I feel that since the fan is running at full, and I've tried other destros that works. That 105C is bullshit, but that's what it said in the shutdown text. I tried running with "noacpi" parameter without luck.
[21:58] <okv> I heard that the built-in compiz in ubuntu can't be adjusted much
[21:58] <DirkGently> okv: pretty much
[21:58] <poseidon> @djouallah, make sure you don't do any major system upgrades or it will break wubi ;) happened to me
[21:58] <poseidon> ie change versions
[21:59] <dwidmann> Esteban: definitely check around google and/or ubuntuforums.org (or google site:ubuntuforums.org :) ) -- I think I've seen that issue pop up before
[21:59] <Esteban> dwidmann: Ok, thanks.
[21:59] <okv> I hope KDE 4's Konsole has true transparency like Gnome's shell window has
[21:59] <b3lt3r> /leave
[21:59] <x_link> okv: Okey.
[21:59] <mefisto__> I installed kde4 in gutsy from these instructions: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.3.php  What happens to that kde4 install if I upgrade to hardy? will it upgrade kde4 from official repos?
[21:59] <b3lt3r> /leave
[21:59] <djouallah> poseidon:  i am using 8.04 rc, so just small upgrades i hope it is not harmful;)
[21:59] <dwidmann> okv: it does
[21:59] <hydrogen> how do I redirect stderr to a file again?
[21:59] <dwidmann> okv: and so does yakuake-kde4
[22:00] <JackWinter> is there a way to take a "snapshot" before using Adept to install, so that i can easily back out if things go wrong ?
[22:00] <okv> dwidmann: What's the yakuake-kde4?
[22:00] <dwidmann> okv: install it and try it out, yakuake is awesome!
[22:00] <DirkGently> hydrogen: 2>file
[22:00] <poseidonplusplus> How do you go dual screen again? I had to restart in xchat so I missed it, sorry
[22:00] <okv> dwidmann: I'll check it out, thanks
[22:00]  * mefisto__ agrees about yakuake
[22:01] <dwidmann> poseidon: "kdesudo nvidia-setting" - that app makes it sooooooooo easy
[22:01] <Seldaek> hmm dammit I can't "init 1" anymore with the 8.04 final
[22:01] <DirkGently> hydrogen: stdout and stderr: >file 2>&1
[22:01] <superkiwi> The 'leave' button in kd4 does nothing. I can't log out, help! :X
[22:01] <superkiwi> ah, nm, rofl.
[22:02] <DirkGently> hydrogen:  e.g. command > file.log 2>&1
[22:02] <hydrogen> thanks
[22:02] <okv> oh, it's a konsole-replacement
[22:02] <Ketrel> Well I just had the same problem off the liveCD. I'm now going to boot off of the Gutsy CD and see what happens
[22:02] <okv> Is it in the repo?
[22:02] <Tama> Hi
[22:02] <djouallah> superkiwi:  perhaps just kill x
[22:03] <poseidon> dwidmann, "kdesudo nvidia-setting" returns not found
[22:03] <ubuntu__>    
[22:03] <superkiwi> djouallah: was my fault. I'm not used to the new kde4 kickof thingy. The options shows up when I roll over it, i kep clicking it.
[22:03] <Tama> Hi, i try to chnage the display resolution from the live cd but it will not be changed
[22:04] <djouallah> superkiwi: no it is not your fault at all, perhaps it just don't work
[22:04] <dwidmann> poseidon: sorry, forgot that in hardy now nvidia-settings is in a seperate package from the nvidia driver package
[22:04] <dwidmann> poseidon: install the nvidia-settings package first
[22:04] <djouallah> superkiwi: kde4 is still beta quality
[22:04] <kais58> is there a ppc x64 version of 8.04 yet?
[22:04] <mefisto__> stdin: I installed kde4 in gutsy from these instructions: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.3.php  What happens to that kde4 install if I upgrade to hardy? will it upgrade kde4 from official repos?
[22:05] <okv> support for XMMS has ended :( the upgrade says
[22:05] <U238Willy> whew.. upgraded to kubuntu 8.04 ... and instead of the gui login screen, I get dumped to the cli.
[22:06] <mefisto__> U238Willy: have you tried booting in recovery mode?
[22:06] <okv> So Kubuntu 8.04 has 2 versions, one with KDE4 and one with older?
[22:06] <U238Willy> no
[22:06] <U238Willy> what's the command?
[22:06] <djouallah> okv:  yp
[22:06] <okv> Would you recommend KDE4 version?
[22:07] <djouallah> with kde3.5.9 it is supported for 18 months
[22:07] <djouallah> okv: not yet
[22:07] <U238Willy> i tried startx and it said 'failed to load nvidia kernal module'
[22:07] <Esteban> dwidmann: I found this: "I think it is because of ACPI and lm-sensors driver are trying to access the chip same time. Please try to disable the thermal module in kernel, or compile kernel without "thermal support" in ACPI section" - But I tried to disable the ACPI. Says it's not simple, and as of yet, no fix for it.
[22:07] <mefisto__> U238Willy: in the grub menu, before boot. when it's booted, there's an option to try to fix X
[22:07] <djouallah> okv: it is a kind of a preview of what kde4 will be
[22:07] <poseidon> dwidmann, is there anyway I can get my second screen to just extend my first, or does it have to be a seperate desktop or a twin view of my first?
[22:07] <U238Willy> and something with samba seems to have exploded as well
[22:08] <Seldaek> can anyone help me with init 1 not working?
[22:08] <Seldaek> I can't login in console mode:/
[22:08] <dwidmann> poseidon: use the "xinerama" setting
[22:08] <JackWinter> should there be a libasound2-plugins ?
[22:08] <djouallah> okv: if u want to live in the edge as they say, u can use kde4, but if u want a superstable desktop stick with kde3.5.9
[22:08] <dwidmann> poseidon: should be a checkbox for it on there
[22:08] <JackWinter> am trying to follow a howto ?
[22:10] <U238Willy> hmm.. selecting xfix seems to have worked..
[22:11] <U238Willy> though i think it bumped my resolution up
[22:11] <stdin> mefisto__: yes
[22:12] <poseidon> Is there anyway to get faster download speeds by setting max packets per requests, MTU, etc?
[22:12] <mefisto__> U238Willy: you probably need to install the proprietary nvidia driver now. Find "Hardware Drivers" in the kmenu (under System, I think)
[22:12] <daemon3> I'm confused: I thought the kubuntu Hardy alternate disk was supposed to have an "upgrade option."  However, I don't see one when I boot up.
[22:12] <Esteban> dwidmann: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=444062&highlight=acpi+temperature&page=2 <<<
[22:13] <Esteban> dwidmann: Them saying it's an annoying bug, and seems to be non-fixable atm(still..).
[22:13] <U238Willy> i had installed the legacy drivers back with 7.10, so i guess this means I'll have to reinstall them? and then change the lines in xorg.conf? also, what's the dpkg command to reconfigure xorg.. (or is that not good to use now?)
[22:13] <Esteban> dwidmann: Looks like I have to get another distro again(!)
[22:13] <mefisto__> stdin: so I don't need to do anything before hardy upgrade? those repos will be disabled and everything kde4 will update to hardy?
[22:13] <chrisrogers> Odd-rationale: hey it's chrisrogers
[22:14] <Odd-rationale> hey!
[22:14] <chrisrogers> Odd-rationale: i still havn't gotten that problem fixed, i figured i'll just reinstall kubuntu and see what i did to cause the problem and not do it
[22:14] <stdin> mefisto__: I don't think the repos will be disabled, but it won't matter because I made sure the version numbers in the PPA were always less than those in hardy. so just upgrade and it'll magically work :)
[22:15] <chrisrogers> Odd-rationale: im using mirc in windows right now and downloading the new iso of kubuntu
[22:15] <Odd-rationale> chrisrogers: ok. sorry to hear that...
[22:15] <Odd-rationale> chrisrogers: 8.04?
[22:16] <chrisrogers> Odd-rationale: yep
[22:16] <Odd-rationale> ok :)
[22:16] <chrisrogers> Odd-rationale: it's taking forever do download
[22:16] <Odd-rationale> chrisrogers: using the torrent?
[22:16] <JackWinter> how do i get libasound2-plugins, it's missing from the 8.04 depositories ?
[22:16] <chrisrogers> Odd-rationale: nope
[22:17] <chrisrogers> Odd-rationale: using the mirror
[22:17] <chrisrogers> Odd-rationale: didn't know there was a torrent
[22:17] <chrisrogers> Odd-rationale: :D
[22:17] <Odd-rationale> chrisrogers: torrent may be the way to go.. I'm seeding all the alt disc on two computers...
[22:17] <chrisrogers> Odd-rationale: where can i find the torrent file?
[22:17]  * stdin shows chrisrogers the topic
[22:18] <chrisrogers> Odd-rationale: i mean i'm almost done doanloading this one but if this will be faster than that will be awsome
[22:18] <stdin> ohh, it was removed?
[22:19] <edgy> dwidmann: you are right. the emulate is set to no, now should I log out or can I update somehow?
[22:19] <Odd-rationale> chrisrogers: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hardy/
[22:19] <stdin> there's a list of mirrors here: http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php#latest
[22:19] <Odd-rationale> chrisrogers: look for the torrent file...
[22:19]  * djouallah is wondering try to remove openoffice-core, and it say u have to remove kubuntu-desktop and xserver ?
[22:20] <U238Willy> yep.. it's reverted back to the old 'nv' driver
[22:20] <chrisrogers> Odd-rationale: i'm not that worried about it, i'll just let this finish :P
[22:20] <chrisrogers> Odd-rationale: it's almost done anyway
[22:20] <Odd-rationale> ok
[22:21] <bbishop> Question: How can you set a start up application such as Firefox when the computer boots?
[22:21] <chrisrogers> bbishop: i think it's autostart folder
[22:21] <U238Willy> ok.. well thanks for your help.. all seems well.. i'll tweak the nvidia driver.. and reboot.. thanks again..
[22:21] <stdin> !autostart | bbishop
[22:21] <Odd-rationale> bbishop: ~/.kde/Autostart
[22:21] <ubotu> bbishop: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory. For a complete guide, see http://jucato.org/kde/kde-autostart.html
[22:21]  * chrisrogers dosn't know where the autostart folder is
[22:22] <bbishop> Thanks
[22:22] <Tom47> cannot get decent screen resolution running hardy in virtualbox
[22:22] <djouallah> ubotu: u are faster then me
[22:23] <stdin> !bot
[22:23] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[22:23] <mefisto__> there's also a gui called startupmanager, if you prefer that
[22:23]  * djouallah was chating with a bot ;)
[22:24] <foosh>  /join #sabayon
[22:25] <Tom47> is there an issue with xorg.conf screen resolutions in hardy?
[22:26] <JackWinter> what happened to gstreamer0.10-plugins-good etc ?
[22:27]  * djouallah never click on apply change before taking a look at what changed, rule 1
[22:28] <JackWinter> or am i in the wrong channel for qs regarding repositories
[22:28] <poseidon> How do I take firefox out of offline mode (I just installed it)
[22:28] <dwidmann> edgy: you should edit it to say that the mulation setting = on/true/whatnot
[22:28] <stdin> JackWinter: what do you mean what happened to it?
[22:29] <okv> You know what's best in linux, especially ubuntu/kubuntu?
[22:29] <foosh> can anyone help me out?
[22:29] <foosh> http://pastebin.com/d678f8b6c
[22:29] <foosh> thats my fstab
[22:29] <foosh> im having trouble getting my /dev/hda1 partition to mount correctly
[22:29] <foosh> it wants everyone to be root
[22:29] <okv> The community, helpful and doesn't bash you for being a noob. I think that makes a lot of people to try linux and stay with linux
[22:29] <Artimus> So, kubuntu-8.04-alternate-i386.iso and kubuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.iso are KDE3?
[22:29] <JackWinter> Adept don't find it, and neither does apt-get..?
[22:30] <stdin> Artimus: yes, the kde4 ones are named kubuntu-kde4...
[22:30] <stdin> JackWinter: make sure you have your repositories enabled, it's in main
[22:30] <Artimus> stdin: Awesome, thanks.
[22:30] <stdin> !info gstreamer0.10-plugins-good
[22:30] <ubotu> gstreamer0.10-plugins-good (source: gst-plugins-good0.10): GStreamer plugins from the "good" set. In component main, is optional. Version 0.10.7-3 (hardy), package size 852 kB, installed size 2748 kB
[22:30] <djouallah> okv: you are welocome
[22:30] <dwidmann> edgy: :   ---- Option         "Emulate3Buttons" "no" ---- then restart X (ie: log out, select restart X from the kdm menu, log back in)
[22:31] <dwidmann> edgy: erm, set it to yes
[22:31] <mefisto__> oops, I meant kcontrol-autostart, not startupmanager
[22:31] <chrisrogers> i'm back
[22:31] <JackWinter> stdin: ah maybe it's beccause i'm trying other servers..  thanks!
[22:32] <chrisrogers> i had to do "Something" to my eval version of mIRC :D
[22:32] <chrisrogers> lol
[22:33] <djouallah> chrisrogers: i use xchat on windows it just rock
[22:33] <chrisrogers> has anybody else had this problem with kubuntu: Logoff, shutdown, ctrl+alt+bksp, results in black screen freeze
[22:33] <daemon3> The kubuntu alternate disk doesn't have an option to upgrade to Hardy.  What could be the problem?
[22:33] <daemon3> When I boot to the disk, I mean.
[22:33] <dwidmann> I thought X-Chat on windows was payware
[22:34] <stdin> daemon3: you don't boot from it, you upgrade from the installed system
[22:34] <djouallah> dwidmann:  there is xchat and xchat2
[22:34] <foosh> could anyone help me with my lame partition mount?
[22:34] <foosh> http://pastebin.com/d678f8b6c
[22:34] <chrisrogers> nothing is payware ;)
[22:34] <foosh> thats the fstab
[22:34] <dwidmann> chrisrogers: usually related to bad video drivers
[22:34] <foosh> /dev/hda1 doesn't seem to want to mount with user permissions
[22:34] <chrisrogers> dwidmann: but i'm using the latest verson of fglrx
[22:34] <stdin> daemon3: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades/Kubuntu
[22:35] <chrisrogers> or was
[22:35] <dwidmann> chrisrogers: haha, hahahah, hahahahahahahhahahaha ...
[22:35] <chrisrogers> yay 10 min remaining on kde cd download
[22:35] <chrisrogers> dwidmann: what?
[22:35] <dwidmann> chrisrogers: that was almost exactly what I was referring to
[22:36] <dwidmann> chrisrogers: fglrx has been known for that for years
[22:36] <chrisrogers> dwidmann: what else am i supposed to use with an ATI Radeon HD 2600?
[22:36] <david__> speak german?
[22:36] <stdin> foosh: ext3 has its own permissions, you have to either chmod it or create a user writeable directory
[22:37] <stdin> !de | david__
[22:37] <ubotu> david__: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[22:37] <foosh> stdin, i actually reformatted this partition to ext3 from ext3
[22:37] <foosh> im wondering why it isn't working the same as before
[22:37] <chrisrogers> dwidmann: i tried to pm you, so you can help me if you can
[22:37] <foosh> nothing really changed
[22:37] <dwidmann> chrisrogers: that same question is why my last four video cards have been nvidia cards
[22:37] <dwidmann> !register | chrisrogers
[22:37] <ubotu> chrisrogers: By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about registering your nickname: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration - Type « /nick <nickname> » to select your nickname.
[22:37] <foosh> stdin, ah, the uuid changed
[22:37] <foosh> duh
[22:38] <stdin> yep, UUIDs change when you format ;)
[22:38] <foosh> stdin, whats the command to check uuid name again?
[22:38] <chrisrogers> dwidmann: i'm not using nvidia drivers for an ati card
[22:38] <chrisrogers> dwidmann: never mind
[22:38] <stdin> foosh: sudo blkid /dev/whatever
[22:38] <foosh> thanks
[22:38] <chrisrogers> dwidmann: that's not what you said
[22:39] <chrisrogers> dwidmann: well i'm using a laptop and i like my ati card, i wouldn't trade it for an nvidia card for all the money in new york
[22:40] <poseidon> Whats a good cd burner for kubuntu?
[22:40] <chrisrogers> dwidmann: 256MB of dedicated Vram (ON A LAPTOP!!!) and 768 shared with ram (which is fine since i have 3GB)
[22:40] <chrisrogers> dwidmann: fully dx10 compatible
[22:40] <mefisto__> poseidon: you mean software?
[22:41] <chrisrogers> anybody know of any good Kubuntu drivers for an ATI Radeon HD 2600?
[22:41] <dwidmann> chrisrogers: dedicated vram? Nice ... though, I still wouldn't want one until the drivers improve, a lot.
[22:41] <chrisrogers> dwidmann: my lappy is a f-ing powerhouse man
[22:42] <nikos> hello
[22:42] <chrisrogers> dwidmann: is fglrx the only ones that work? or are there alternates that are more stable?
[22:43] <nikos> how i can enable my wireless card on my laptop i have the acer 5920 with intel 3945 wifi card
[22:44] <chrisrogers> dwidmann: can i use ndiswrapper for videocard drivers?
[22:44] <chrisrogers> dwidmann: then i can use the windows ones and it might work better, who knows...
[22:44] <chrisrogers> dwidmann: or is ndiswrapper just for wireless cards :P
[22:44] <nikos> any one in greece here ?
[22:45] <stdin> !gr
[22:45] <ubotu> #ubuntu-gr και #kubuntu-gr για Έλληνες χρηστές  /  #ubuntu-gr kai #kubuntu-gr gia Ellhnes xrhstes
[22:46] <chrisrogers> !ndiswrapper
[22:46] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[22:46] <chrisrogers> ok it's finally done downloading, i guess i'll talk to yall again when i'm all setup
[22:46] <chrisrogers> l8er guys
[22:47] <chrisrogers> thanks for the help dwidmann
[22:47] <dwidmann> chrisrogers: ndiswrapper for video card drivers? Not as far as I know
[22:47] <Joeseph> alright, well I was here earlier describing this problem when it happened: Any time I get on facebook through Konquereor, my network disconects- firefox works though
[22:48] <Joeseph> anyone have troubles with konqueror and facebook?
[22:48] <poseidon> How can I increase my download speed?  I notice it's a bit slower than in windows
[22:49] <mefisto__> poseidon: all downloads? browser downloads?
[22:49] <poseidon> mefisto__, both would be nice
[22:50] <mefisto__> poseidon: I mean, where do you notice it is slow?
[22:50] <abcd> Hi, I can't upgrade my system from 7.10 to 8.04. I think this is becouse my repositories. Here they are: http://wklej.org/id/f710869bde - what's wrong with them? I tried by sudo apt-get update, upgrade and then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade. 0 packages to upgrade. Anyone can help me? Sorry for may english
[22:50] <stdin> !upgrade | abcd
[22:50] <ubotu> abcd: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[22:50] <poseidon> mefisto__, Mostly the downloads
[22:50] <dwidmann> abcd: if you want to use apt-get, you need to change the sources.list to use hardy first
[22:51] <mefisto__> poseidon: which downloads? how/what are you downloading?
[22:51] <stdin> dwidmann: do not recommend that
[22:51] <dwidmann> stdin: why not?
[22:51] <abcd> dwidmann: thanks
[22:51] <stdin> dwidmann: because it will probably not upgrade properly and we can't support it
[22:52] <dwidmann> stdin: I've never had any trouble with apt-get dist-upgrade .....
[22:52] <stdin> !worksforme | dwidmann
[22:52] <ubotu> dwidmann: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[22:52] <abcd> dwidmann: i used to think that will be changed automaticcally
[22:52] <stdin> there is a command line tool if you want it called "do-release-upgrade"
[22:52] <stdin> abcd: it will, if you use the right tool
[22:53] <abcd> stdin: thanks
[22:53] <mefisto__> Ooh, I like that "worksforme" thing. I need one of those for real-life situations
[22:54] <abcd> stdin: i don't know if i have understood you, but you said using apt-get to upgrade is not recommended ?
[22:54] <poseidon> mefisto__, I get 393kbps in kubuntu and somewhere around 8,000 in windows.  I just used the same server on the same site to test my speed
[22:54] <stdin> abcd: not to upgrade to another distribution, no
[22:55] <stdin> abcd: either use adept or the command line tool "do-release-upgrade"
[22:55] <abcd> stdin: so what's the recommended way of upgrade?
[22:55] <mefisto__> poseidon: which browser?
[22:55]  * Daisuke_Laptop headdesks
[22:55] <stdin> the way I just said ;)
[22:55] <abcd> stdin: thanks
[22:56] <poseidon> mefisto__, in windows I did use firefox, and kubuntu konqueror.  I didn't keep that constant,  That shouldn't have caused that significant of a change though.
[22:57] <mefisto__> poseidon: I would try in firefox. konqueror (for browsing) has always seemed much slower for me
[22:58] <poseidon> mefisto__, I just isntalled kubuntu, how do I get firefox out of offline mode?
[22:58] <mefisto__> poseidon: in the File menu
[22:59] <poseidon> Thanks
[23:00] <poseidon> !flash
[23:00] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[23:04] <derenrich> Is there any way for me to change the compiz effects level from the command line? I screwed around too much and now I'm frozen out.
[23:08] <abcd> Is 3,3 GB of free space disk enough to perform distro upgrade? I have both KDE 3 and 4 ???
[23:08] <dwidmann> abcd, yes, the amount of space used shouldn't change much
[23:09] <abcd> dwidmann: thanks a lot
[23:09] <mefisto__> abcd: should be plenty, but depends what you have installed. if it's not enough, the updater will tell you how much you need to free up
[23:09] <abcd> mefisto__: OK, thanks
[23:10] <dwidmann> abcd: however, you'll probably get about 700MB or more in your cache, something to keep in mind, you'll probably want to run apt-get autoclean when its done upgrading
[23:10] <abcd> dwidmann: OK
[23:12] <JackWinter> where is /etc/asound.conf in kubuntu ?
[23:13] <dwidmann> JackWinter: It probably doesn't exist by default, you'll need to make it if you want one.
[23:16] <mid5> Hi there, Im updating my kubuntu laptop to 8.04. Its a HUGE friggin update process.  I closed the lid, and when I opened it, it was black, and it stays black, whatever I do.. I entered though SSH, and all is fine, its still updating. Is there a way I can force X to show itself again, without interrupting the update process??
[23:17] <ihab> well ... I have an ATI driver with 256 MB RAM :(  the problem is that when I look to desktop it looks too bad "this really get my eyes tired" in contrary when I open Dolphin or any other application it looks normal
[23:17] <dwidmann> mid5: try killing X if it's running (via ssh)
[23:18] <mid5> dwidmann, that would, effectively, also kill the upgrade process, and most certainly it would destroy my dpkg database, I would not like that
[23:18] <dwidmann> mid5: is it mid-upgrade right now, or still downloading the upgrades?
[23:18] <mid5> and yes, X is still running.. the upgrade process is run in X and that also continues normal.. X is simply not responding to the keyoboard
[23:19] <mid5> dwidmann, its in mid update.. like 20%
[23:19] <mid5> but its a friggin huge update, about 3GB.. got lots of stuff installed
[23:19] <dwidmann> mid5: might want to let it be
[23:19] <mefisto__> mid5: does ctrl-alt-1 etc do anything?
[23:19] <mid5> the rest of the upgrade will last like 2 hours, I cant wait that long
[23:20] <mefisto__> *ctrl-alt-F1
[23:20] <mid5> mefisto__, would give me console, but since my console, since about 5 months ago, only shows me flashing ASCII cubes, dont like to go there either
[23:20] <dwidmann> mid5: You might have to anyway. It'd be extremely risky to kill the upgrade process
[23:20] <mid5> anyway, I can get in with SSH
[23:20] <mid5> and all looks fine so far
[23:20] <mid5> its not extremely busy.. load is about 2
[23:21] <mid5> dwidmann, thats why I am hoping for a way to poke X in the ribs, making it respond again, without killing it (and the upgrade process with it)
[23:21] <mefisto__> mid5: just wondering if switching back to ctrl-alt-F7 will wake up your screen
[23:21] <mid5> its back!
[23:21] <mid5> hah
[23:21] <mid5> phew
[23:21] <mid5> Guess it just needed some time... 20 minutes..
[23:21] <mid5> but its back in business here..
[23:23] <sven_oostenbrink> mid5 is now back on his own machine again :)
[23:24] <sven_oostenbrink> Still no idea though why X took so long to respond
[23:24] <dthacker-work> to unpack a tgz file I use what arguments with tar?
[23:25] <davidmac_> tar xvzf <filename>
[23:25] <dthacker-work> tnx
[23:25] <davidmac_> np
[23:26] <mefisto__> what's the v for? verbose?
[23:26] <dwidmann>   I'm dead tired, I'm going to bed before I crash in my chair
[23:27]  * dthacker-work leaves for home
[23:27] <davidmac_> yup
[23:28] <davidmac_> x = extract v = verbose z = gzip compression f = filename
[23:31] <Joeseph> alright, I've come here with this problem twice already, but given the nature of the problem, its obvious why I got disconnected
[23:31] <Joeseph> Anytime I open facebook, I get kicked off my network.  Konqueror doesn't make it to the login screen, while firefox can't log me int
[23:31] <Joeseph> in
[23:32] <davidmac_> kicked off your network at home or at work?
[23:32] <Joeseph> home
[23:33] <Joeseph> by 'kicked off' I mean KNetworkManager gets disconnected
[23:33] <Joeseph> and then I have to restart]
[23:34] <davidmac_> k, sorry no help from me -- never heard of that :(  anything in the logs?
[23:40] <pasi> I have a serious problem after upgrading to hardy: my mouse only double clicks now. It happens whether I use USB mouse, buttons next to touchpad or tap the touch pad. Only double clicks. I tried with kde4 and kde3. It happens also in kdm menu.
[23:40] <poseidon> Whats a good cd burner?
[23:40] <pasi> anyone any ideas where to look and how to fix?
[23:41] <robotgeek> poseidon: i have a lite-on, which works great for me
[23:41] <robotgeek> pasi: meaning, single click == double click, or only double click works
[23:42] <pasi> meaning that when I click once it ends up as a double click
[23:42] <robotgeek> pasi: ah okay. second
[23:43] <pasi> thanks
[23:43] <Blackadder> Well done Kubuntu!  :-)  Works great on my Matsonic integrated AMD Duron 750 mobo (384MB RAM)
[23:46] <davidmac_> I've always been partial to plextor drives.  They have always performed top-notch for me with both CD and DVD burning
[23:46] <robotgeek> !bugs
[23:46] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[23:49] <robotgeek> pasi: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/188351 for workarounds
[23:50] <pasi> thank you robotgeek. I'll do that
[23:54] <mefisto__> pasi: is your mouse set to single click in systemsettings > kbd & mouse ?
[23:56] <robotgeek> mefisto__: i think he means, when he single clicks, the system treats it as a double click
[23:57] <mefisto__> robotgeek: "single click to open files and folders" is in systemsettings. That's what's happening, right?
[23:58] <robotgeek> mefisto__: no, he can't single click at all.
[23:59] <mefisto__> robotgeek: so a single click results in files and folders opening? maybe I don't understand