[00:02] <fta> http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2008/04/firefox-reached-29-share-in-europe/
[00:06] <asac> jyväskylä
[00:08] <Jazzva> Could someone look at bug 198074? I have seen that behaviour (flash over content) before, and I suppose it's a fairly known bug.
[00:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 198074 in firefox "Flash not showing properly" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198074
[00:09] <asac> thats a dupe
[00:09] <asac> search for "flash always on top"
[00:09] <asac> thats the master bug and should already have plenty of dupes
[00:09] <Jazzva> ok
[00:09] <asac> maybe its eve nclosed on firefox side
[00:09] <asac> search on flashplugin-nonfree
[00:09] <asac> (firefox side for that bug was fixed)
[00:12] <fta> lol http://www.screenage.de/blog/2008/04/24/ubuntu-landed-on-berlin-metro-system/
[00:12] <asac> yeah  heard about that before ;)
[00:12] <Jazzva> Cool :)
[00:13] <asac> cool stuff
[00:17] <jcastro> asac: fta: upstream might have a patch-in-hand by tomorrow for bug 215728. They're hitting freeze real soon - is it feasable to have it pushed to a ppa to help upstream test it?
[00:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215728 in firefox-3.0 "High CPU Consumption" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215728
[00:18] <fta> jcastro, sure
[00:18] <jcastro> fta: I told him to specifically attach it to the lp bug, so if you guys could watch it closely I would appreciate it
[00:19] <fta> jcastro, do you mean, b5 + this patch in a ppa or the latest upstream snapshot containing this patch ?
[00:19] <jcastro> expect a patch
[00:20] <fta> my ppa is very close to upstream, ie, far ahead of b5 (hardy)
[00:20] <jcastro> fta: he'll see when he gets there, he will put the details in the bug
[00:21] <fta> the only problem with my own ppa is that lang packs are not compatible (our max version is too strict)
[00:22] <jcastro> fta: campd is upstream.
[00:22] <jcastro> fta: I've pinged asac about it, but he's probably asleep now, so pls ensure he's in the loop
[00:22] <campd> and I have a headache.
[00:23] <asac> jcastro: i am still here :)
[00:23] <jcastro> woo
[00:23] <campd> so I don't know how much jorge has relayed;
[00:23] <campd> but this is a shittastic bug, that doesn't seem to manifest on other platforms
[00:23] <asac> hi campd
[00:23] <campd> there's no Great fix, but I'm working on some Better fixes
[00:23] <asac> campd: why is sqlite so bad on linux?
[00:23] <campd> dunno!
[00:24] <asac> (and so much better on win?)
[00:24] <asac> so the current fix is to tune cache size?
[00:24] <campd> yes.
[00:24] <campd> temporarily, during the update
[00:25] <campd> when I say "current fix" I mean "the one I'm still working on"
[00:25] <asac> campd: what is done during update? isn't that incremental?
[00:25] <campd> so it's incremental, yeah
[00:25] <campd> but unfortunately it needs to update an index
[00:25] <campd> and the data it's adding is a) plentiful and b) deliciously random
[00:26] <campd> so it ends up needing to insert into all sorts of different spots in the index
[00:26] <campd> there's practically no decent locality
[00:26] <asac> so the index is physically clustered?
[00:26] <campd> not sure what you're asking;
[00:26] <asac> hehe not sure either
[00:27] <asac> maybe our words don't match
[00:27] <campd> the real problem is that the index is Big (at certain points in the update process it has more than a million hashes)
[00:27] <campd> and we throw a bunch of effectively-random data at it
[00:27] <campd> I'm making up numbers here, but if the index has 5,000 pages
[00:28] <campd> and we add 10,000 urls
[00:28] <campd> we're going to be hitting most of those 5,000 pages, multiple times
[00:28] <campd> and if the cache is only 1,000 pages, you're going to get a Lot of Thrash
[00:29] <campd> this is mostly a problem during the Initial Population of the database, which encompasses the first few update requests
[00:29] <campd> once you have the whole database, you're adding closer to 1,000 urls a week
[00:29] <campd> which will be (relatively) easier on the cache
[00:30] <campd> so the proposed fix is basically "let the cache get much bigger if it needs to"
[00:30] <campd> "which will happen during those initial updates"
[00:30] <campd> (I'm also considering adding "try to do these updates when the user is idle")
[00:30] <asac> so how much mem do we expect then?
[00:30] <campd> not entirely sure yet
[00:31] <campd> (suggestions welcome!)
[00:31] <asac> campd: one more question. you are talking about db indexes like in "create index ..."?
[00:31] <campd> yeah
[00:31] <campd> although the actual data itself shares the cache
[00:31] <asac> campd: do you drop them before doing the import batch?
[00:31] <campd> nope.
[00:31] <campd> performance there would be dismal
[00:32] <campd> once that big initial update is complete, we're adding like 10-100 urls at a time
[00:32] <campd> to a database with like 500,000 urls
[00:32] <asac> campd: i don't say "drop index"
[00:32] <campd> regenerating that index would be Pure Pain
[00:32] <campd> ah, what are you suggesting?
[00:32] <asac> i mean: "drop index while doing import batch ... then when finish create it"
[00:32] <campd> right
[00:32] <campd> so regenerating that index over 500,000 urls
[00:32] <asac> thats what we did when we imported huge datasets in the past
[00:32] <campd> when you're only adding 10-100
[00:33] <campd> will be prohibitive
[00:33] <asac> campd: well ... if its just the initial batch you could do that only then
[00:33] <campd> yeah, that's a possibility
[00:33] <campd> although the raw data is still an issue there
[00:33] <asac> campd: do you know in advance how many you import?
[00:33] <campd> nope
[00:33] <campd> (we could Guess, but we don't really know)
[00:34] <asac> then you might preparse X and cache them in memory, then decide if to just insert ... or insert as batch (e.g. without index)
[00:34] <campd> yeah, it's possible
[00:34] <campd> in my tests, dropping the index didn't help a whole heck of a lot
[00:34] <campd> even during initial updates
[00:34] <asac> ok, so the issue is not the index ?
[00:34] <campd> not really
[00:34] <campd> I mean, the index is part of the issue
[00:35] <asac> yes, but if this doesn't really help, then it must be something else
[00:35] <campd> it's the io
[00:35] <campd> it's the fact that our current page cache is around 2000
[00:35] <asac> right ... so the raw data IO alone is too slow?
[00:35] <campd> yeah
[00:35] <asac> that would be really bad ;)
[00:35] <campd> and we're kinda stupid about it
[00:35] <campd> where "stupid" is "we do too much of it, because our cache is too small" :)
[00:36] <campd> so what I'm looking at doing is basically choosing a cache size based on system memory;
[00:36] <asac> are you using transactions?
[00:37] <campd> yes
[00:37] <campd> (which is why the page cache is useful at all;  otherwise that page cache would be synced to disk after every operation)
[00:40] <campd> so anyway, my current thinking is that a) currently our page cache is Just Too Small, Period
[00:40] <campd> b) with a decent-sized page cache, the IO becomes negligable
[00:40] <campd> c) we can reclaim the page cache memory after a successful update
[00:41] <campd> so similar to what our bookmark/history code does
[00:41] <campd> I'm going to look at sizing the page cache based on available system memory
[00:41] <campd> during an update process.
[00:41] <asac> if that is a proven pattern then i agree that this is the path to use
[00:42] <asac> s/to use/to go/
[00:42] <campd> so what we'll do is choose some percentage of system memory
[00:42] <asac> campd: how do you get "available system memory"?
[00:42] <campd> PR_GetSystemMemory() :P
[00:42] <campd> I'll check what that does
[00:42] <campd> but it is Physical
[00:42] <asac> yeah thats what i wonder
[00:43] <campd> so that page cache grows to the size needed to contain the update;
[00:43] <Jazzva> asac, bug 151956 ... People complain that flashplugin-nonfree/mozilla-plugin-gnash are not installable from live cd, because multiverse repo is not enabled. We might include to ubufox to check if multiverse is enabled and to present the correct plugins list, maybe with a message "please turn on multiverse for more plugins". Of course, if that's possible...
[00:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151956 in firefox "Gutsy RC1 LiveCD can't find flashplugin-nonfree when using install plugin on firefox" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151956
[00:43] <campd> it's not Necessarily the size we dicide;
[00:43] <campd> decide
[00:43] <campd> so as an example
[00:44] <campd> let's say we choose 7%;
[00:44] <campd> (places uses 6%)
[00:44] <campd> on a 512mb machine, that'll set aside 35megs
[00:44] <campd> during the Big Scary Initial Updates, we might use up that whole 35 megs
[00:45] <campd> during the update process (which, because we have very little IO, will only take like 10 seconds)
[00:45] <campd> and we'll try to fit those updates into when they're idle if possible
[00:45] <campd> once they're caught up to the current state of the list, we'll still ALLOW 35 megs
[00:46] <campd> but it'll probably end up being much smaller, because we're only updating 10-100 urls
[00:46] <campd> so it'll probably be a negligable increase
[00:46] <campd> so that's the PLAN
[00:46] <campd> I don't have a patch yet
[00:46] <asac> Jazzva: multiverse _should_ work
[00:46] <campd> and someone smarter than me might have a better solution :)
[00:46] <Jazzva> asac: Hmm, ok.
[00:47] <campd> I'm idly curious why it's so much worse on linux
[00:47] <asac> campd: do you use same cache size on win?
[00:47] <campd> yep.
[00:48] <campd> I haven't done as vigorous testing there, but we've gotten no complaints
[00:48] <campd> while ubuntu users seem to have quite a few :)
[00:48] <campd> but regardless, this is a fix we should be doing everywhere.
[00:48] <asac> yeah. but we use in-source sqlite ... so at least it should not be related to us using a system library
[00:48] <campd> right.
[00:49] <campd> that was actually my Very First Question, but I was able to verify on my linux box with the mozilla tree
[00:49] <campd> so, yeah
[00:49] <asac> personally i don't experience this
[00:49] <asac> how can that be?
[00:49] <campd> how big is your urlclassifier3.sqlite?
[00:49] <asac> 22M
[00:49] <campd> huh
[00:49] <campd> then that's a good question :)
[00:50] <asac> maybe those users are using some kind of strange filesystem
[00:50] <asac> like fat16
[00:51] <campd> well, I'm seeing crappy performance
[00:51] <asac> campd: could you confim this?
[00:51] <asac> ah i see
[00:51] <campd> (albeit with a contrived test case)
[00:51] <asac> yeah ... but real user-experience impact?
[00:51] <campd> haven't actually confirmed that, no
[00:52] <campd> but my contrived test cases are pretty close to what you'd expect in real life
[00:52] <campd> (I'm actually adding the real data, just at a different pace than the normal updates)
[00:54] <campd> man, I have a gigantic headache
[00:55] <asac> ok thanks for coming here. if you have a patch we can try let us know
[00:55] <campd> yeah
[00:55] <campd> I was talking to jorge about that;
[00:55] <campd> I'm going to try to have a patch together tomorrow, discuss the approach with some other mozilla folks;
[00:55] <campd> once we decide for sure which way we're going
[00:55] <campd> I'd *love* to get as much testing as possible
[00:56] <asac> well, we apparently have plenty "volunteers" here :)
[00:56] <campd> yeah.
[00:57] <Volans> apparently asac? LOL
[00:57] <asac> no those forum users that complain ;)
[00:57] <asac> i don't see this bug unfortunately
[01:00] <asac> Jazzva: actually i am not sure about that multiverse thing on CD
[01:00] <campd> (and while I'm here, congrats on the release)
[01:00] <campd> (it's been working pretty darn well for me here)
[01:01] <asac> Jazzva: i always thought one can update sources.list ... and we had a bug about something similar against apturl, but i was assured that this was fixed.
[01:01] <asac> Jazzva: so its worth to investigate i guess
[01:01] <asac> campd: thanks! :)
[01:02] <campd> well, whatever slightly-beta version I have now
[01:02] <asac> campd: only thing thats unfortunate is that we missed RC1 by a week or so
[01:02] <campd> I can't get to the damned mirrors to update :)
[01:02] <campd> yeah
[01:02] <campd> well tbh, I'm kinda glad you did
[01:02] <campd> in a selfish using-your-users-as-testers sort of way
[01:02] <campd> 'cause this was flying under our radar previously
[01:03] <campd> but yeah, RC1 would have been good
[01:04] <asac> i am not glad obviously ;) ... we spend a considerable amount of work to get xulrunner going for all apps and all. it was fun, but still having a beta browser in final release is kind of a decision that causes discussion for us :)
[01:04] <Jazzva> asac: Only thing I need is a Hardy cd :). I asked commenter to see if that's happening on hardy final
[01:05] <asac> campd: i think we can sell this as a long term decision, but RC1 would have been so much easier to sell ;)
[01:05] <campd> yeah, I know what you mean
[01:05] <gnomefreak> asac: how good are you with scripting for greasemonkey?
[01:05] <campd> I'm mostly thinking "if ubuntu hadn't been releasing, would this bug have caught our attention in time for RC1"
[01:05]  * gnomefreak thought of this while im eatting :(
[01:06] <asac> campd: yeah ;) ... thats the good side. and i am confident that shipping 3 b5 was the right thing to do.
[01:06] <campd> yeah.
[01:06] <campd> this issue aside
[01:06] <campd> (which, honestly, can be worked around by turning off the malware detection)
[01:06] <asac> its still open how the press reacts on this, so far its mostly trollish users that question this
[01:06] <Sergeant_Pony> Does anyone know if TB supports groups in the address book. I looked at the help section and it was no help.
[01:06] <campd> (which ffx2 doesn't have)
[01:07] <asac> campd: right. i don't feel bad about this particular issue
[01:07] <asac> most people just see "Beta" and run screaming ;)
[01:07] <campd> nod
[01:07] <campd> but ffx3 >>>>>> ffx2
[01:07] <campd> *particularly* on linux
[01:07] <asac> exactly
[01:07] <asac> as said. press didn't really trash us for that from what i can see
[01:07] <gnomefreak> Sergeant_Pony: i havent tried but as i recall you can add groups whileing setting up accounts so i dont see why not but again i havent played too much with tb2 for a while other than everyday usage
[01:08] <Jazzva> run screaming from beta *shock*? Where's the fun if it's all stable?
[01:08] <asac> for now
[01:08] <Volans> asac: you can reply that Google was still in beta for years... ;)
[01:08] <asac> right
[01:08] <gnomefreak> weve done it before and it worked out fine this time should be no differnet
[01:08] <asac> i have no problem to argue for that
[01:08] <Jazzva> Volans: If Google was only :)...
[01:08] <gnomefreak> Volans: it still is
[01:09] <Jazzva> *the only one
[01:09] <gnomefreak> aside google searches people have had many issues with thier products
[01:09] <asac> gnomefreak: yes, but bars are raised. people look closer
[01:09] <gnomefreak> asac: true but isnt b5 rc1 than release (rough order)
[01:09] <asac> previously the important thing was "latest" ... now it has to be "latest and most stable" :)
[01:09] <gnomefreak> maybe next month and half or 2 depending on blockers
[01:10] <asac> gnomefreak: yes. two month from now it will be forgotten
[01:10] <asac> but people reading this might perceive this as "not mature" and could a long lasting bad idea
[01:10] <asac> brand perception
[01:11] <gnomefreak> most firefox bugs is profile, extentions, addons, but there are a few or more that are code itsself from what ive seen
[01:11] <gnomefreak> asac: we really could have not made it default since we carry 2.0 with hardy
[01:12] <asac> gnomefreak: the idea is to not change the default throughout the lifetime
[01:12] <gnomefreak> but i dont see that big of an issue atm. stop using flash cut ff bugs to 1/4th of what they are
[01:12] <asac> and ffox 2 would be really hard to support at some point
[01:12] <asac> upgrading to ffox 3 would also give us bad reputation
[01:12] <gnomefreak> asac: true thinking on LTS
[01:13] <gnomefreak> its a catch 22. people are either gonna complain its not default or complain that it is since its not final
[01:13] <l3on> Hi all :)
[01:13] <gnomefreak> hi l3on
[01:14] <gnomefreak> IMHO 2months until final is better than not having it in for 3 years
[01:15] <gnomefreak> are they planning on releasing xul and ff3 at same time?
[01:15] <asac> gnomefreak: they don't release xul
[01:15] <asac> they release it all together in ffox
[01:15] <asac> we split
[01:18] <gnomefre3k> something really wrong here
[01:19] <asac> still sucky network in PA?
[01:19] <gnomefre3k> 20:19 -NickServ(services@mozilla.org)- Nick gnomefreak isn't registered.
[01:19] <gnomefre3k> and shitty ns
[01:19] <gnomefre3k> but yes i have to deal with ISP tomorrow
[01:19] <asac> gnomefreak: thats on mozilla server :)
[01:19] <asac> not freenode
[01:20] <gnomefre3k> oh crap
[01:20] <Jazzva> If I'm in Mozilla Bugs, will I receive every comment for every bug to which mozilla team is subscribed? Just to know, so I don't subscribe myself for no reason :)
[01:21] <asac> Jazzva: mozilla-bugs gets mail for bugs to which mozilla-bugs is subscribed
[01:22] <asac> Jazzva: mozillateam accordingly only to bugs to which mozillteam is subscribed
[01:22] <asac> but we don't subscribe mozillteam
[01:22] <Jazzva> hmm... ok
[01:22] <Jazzva> Thanks :)
[01:22] <asac> Jazzva: but i am not sure if we get mail for firefox-3.0
[01:22] <asac> i think we don't
[01:22] <asac> no idea how things are setup
[01:23] <asac> i get mail for firefox + thunderbird
[01:23] <asac> and all bugs to which mozilla-bugs is subscribed
[01:23] <Jazzva> Ok ... then I'll just subscribe myself to every one... Hope it won't produce too much mail :)
[01:23] <asac> haha
[01:23] <asac> it will
[01:23] <Jazzva> Hope gmail filters are good enough :)
[01:23] <asac> gnomefreak: can you sort out how to subcribe to get all bugmail for all our packages
[01:24] <asac> i looked a few days, but couldn't figure ... and i just don't remember
[01:24] <asac> gnomefreak: do you still remember how this was done?
[01:24] <asac> 02:23 < asac> gnomefreak: can you sort out how to subcribe to get all bugmail for all our packages
[01:24] <asac> 02:24 < asac> i looked a few days, but couldn't figure ... and i just don't remember
[01:24] <asac> 02:24 < asac> gnomefreak: do you still remember how this was done?
[01:25] <asac> no idea if he got it
[01:25] <gnomefre4k> i can if i stay around long enough tomorrow
[01:25] <gnomefre4k> :)
[01:25] <gnomefre4k> i didnt get it til now
[01:25] <asac> gnomefreak: not urgent
[01:25] <asac> i just thought you remembered ;)
[01:26] <gnomefreak> ok i will look tomorrow but IIRC you have to subscribe from main bug page on each package
[01:26] <asac> gnomefreak: so jazzva needs to go to firefox-3.0 and subscribe to all bugmail there?
[01:26] <asac> i think thats possible
[01:26] <gnomefreak> but being mozilla team you are already subscribed to all mozilla bug mail
[01:26] <Jazzva> No, not all bugmail :)
[01:26] <asac> just thought we subscribed mozilla-bugs in such a way
[01:27] <asac> Jazzva: ?
[01:27] <gnomefreak> we did
[01:27] <gnomefreak> i did
[01:27] <asac> Jazzva: thought thats what you wanted?
[01:27] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: you are a memeber of team right?
[01:27] <asac> gnomefreak: so maybe mozilla-bugs is not yet subscribed to firefox-3.0 and xulrunner-1.9?
[01:27] <Jazzva> asac: I thought that too ... then I realised I'm needing just the one I commented :)
[01:27] <Jazzva> Umm, right :)
[01:27] <Jazzva> I am receiving new bug reports, though... :)
[01:27] <gnomefreak> asac: ff3 it should be i get them xul i dont get iirc so i will fix it
[01:28] <asac> ok thanks
[01:28] <gnomefreak> asac: is the packages up to date on the mozilla team LP page?
[01:28] <asac> gnomefreak: remember that there are still lots of ffox 3 reports going to firefox package because of confusion
[01:28] <gnomefreak> and are we talking extentions as well?
[01:28] <asac> so maybe thats what you are seeing
[01:28] <asac> worth to check i guess
[01:28] <gnomefreak> asac: ill look into it int he morning and subscribe mozilla-bugs to all our packages
[01:29] <asac> damn
[01:29] <gnomefreak> extentions i may need help with them as i saw way too many to remember
[01:29]  * asac wonders if that is any better for his own bug performance
[01:30] <Jazzva> asac: Lots of mail coming your way after?
[01:30] <asac> Jazzva: no idea :) ... my mailbox is always full with unread mails
[01:30] <asac> thats all that i know
[01:30] <asac> so i think so
[01:31] <asac> but my mail setup really sucks in this regards
[01:31] <Jazzva> Work on it :)
[01:31] <Jazzva> *thinks*
[01:31] <gnomefreak> ill look at it right now for a little bit and see if i cant figure an easy way of doing it
[01:31] <asac> well ... i am sure that i don't have the time to process all New and Incomplete bugs.
[01:31] <asac> maybe confirmed
[01:32] <asac> at best only triaged and in progress ones :)
[01:32] <asac> but thats a dream obviously
[01:32] <gnomefreak> asac: you come up with greasemonkey scripts for comments and ill do the bug work all day and night ;)
[01:32] <Jazzva> Subscribing to all bug reports and forwarding it to another folder, hoping I'll find something interesting, or just to keep plain, old bug-browsing?
[01:32] <asac> gnomefreak: i can give you those python scripts
[01:32] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: tb and filters :)
[01:32] <gnomefreak> asac: how do i run them?
[01:32] <asac> gnomefreak: they are far easier to write and far easier to run
[01:32] <Jazzva> I don't think I am subscribed now ... only ~10 bug-reports came to my mail today.
[01:33] <asac> gnomefreak: just chmod a+x <filename>.py
[01:33] <asac> then ./xyz.py BUGID
[01:33] <asac> you have to copy your cookies.txt file into the same directory you run them from
[01:33] <asac> to be authenticated
[01:34] <asac> and remember to replace at least Alexander with your name in the .py files
[01:34] <asac> but i can imprve that
[01:34] <gnomefre2k> oh fuck my ISP
[01:34] <asac> 02:33 < asac> gnomefreak: just chmod a+x <filename>.py
[01:34] <asac> 02:33 < asac> then ./xyz.py BUGID
[01:34] <asac> 02:33 < asac> you have to copy your cookies.txt file into the same directory you run them from
[01:34] <asac> 02:33 < asac> to be authenticated
[01:34] <gnomefre2k> asac: yeah i saw that but is that how to run them? ./script bug #
[01:34] <asac> 02:33 -!- gnomefre2k [n=gnomefre@adsl-221-44-39.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam
[01:34] <asac> 02:33 < asac> and remember to replace at least Alexander with your name in the .py files
[01:34] <asac> 02:34 < asac> but i can imprve that
[01:34] <asac> 02:34 < gnomefre2k> oh fuck my ISP
[01:34] <asac> gnomefre2k: that might be different dependeing on what the script should do. the ones i posted all take just the bugnumber as argument
[01:34] <gnomefre2k> ok i can do that easy
[01:35] <gnomefre2k> ah ok
[01:35] <asac> but i could also write something like:
[01:35] <asac> ./post-bug-generic.py bugid --status=Incomplete --comment="Here comes your comment"
[01:35] <asac> :)
[01:36] <asac> or
[01:36] <asac> ./post-bug-generic.py bugid --status=Incomplete --summary="New summary that is comprehensible" --tag=flash --comment="Here comes the comment"
[01:37] <gnomefreak> oh no
[01:37] <gnomefreak> am i here?
[01:37] <Jazzva> you are
[01:38] <asac> sounds miserable
[01:38] <asac> i feel with you gnomefreak :)
[01:38] <gnomefreak> thanks
[01:38]  * gnomefreak really gonna lay into them
[01:38] <gnomefreak> this is bs
[01:38] <gnomefreak> package name for xul 1.8 is just xulrunner right?
[01:38] <asac> if any of you need some bug script let me know. i can write it given some time ahead.
[01:38] <asac> gnomefreak: yes
[01:39] <asac> xulrunner-1.9, firefox-3.0 is the hot combo
[01:39] <asac> everything else is just legacy
[01:39] <gnomefreak> https://edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam
[01:39] <asac> yes, thats right
[01:39] <gnomefreak> ubuntu-php-firefox-human is no longer around right?
[01:39] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: just for ff2
[01:40] <Jazzva> php?
[01:40] <gnomefreak> same with firefox-themes-ubuntu/
[01:40] <Jazzva> that's what I thought you were asking about
[01:40] <gnomefreak> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-php-firefox-human/
[01:40] <gnomefreak> edgy was last afaik
[01:40] <gnomefreak> edgy is EOS in a day or 2
[01:40] <asac>  \o/
[01:40] <asac> hail on that
[01:41] <asac> one upload less on firefox security updates
[01:41] <gnomefreak> i will remove it from page should we keep themes package until ff2 EOS?
[01:41] <asac> yes
[01:41] <asac> we have that packagein universe
[01:41] <asac> however we dont really care ... its the artwork team that should fix it imo
[01:41] <gnomefreak> k
[01:41] <asac> otoh havin git in that list doesnt hurt
[01:42] <gnomefreak> its never been us afaik
[01:42] <gnomefreak> its always someone else that did it
[01:42] <asac> yeah
[01:42] <gnomefreak> git?
[01:42] <gnomefreak> where do you see git?
[01:42] <asac> and given that all the scripts in there are writtin in php i wont like to work on it more than absolutely necessary
[01:43] <gnomefreak> ah
[01:43] <asac> gnomefreak: bad spacing:
[01:43] <gnomefreak> kompozer is us or tony?
[01:43] <asac>  < asac> otoh having it in that ...
[01:43] <asac> gnomefreak: tony
[01:43] <gnomefreak> so should i remove it?
[01:43] <asac> i don't want to put my name on something like that ;) ... ifpossible
[01:43] <gnomefreak> and LP plugin package
[01:43] <asac> gnomefreak: well ... he is in mozillateam :)
[01:43] <gnomefreak> good point
[01:44] <asac> no idea if thats appropriate
[01:44] <asac> but i don't mind
[01:44] <gnomefreak> we never touched it
[01:44] <asac> he didn't trash our bzr branches ;)
[01:44] <asac> so that is fine
[01:44] <asac> (nor did he touch them ever)
[01:44] <gnomefreak> true
[01:45] <asac> we should ask him whathis plans are
[01:45] <gnomefreak> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-launchpad-plugin/?? keep or trash and should we add liferea
[01:45] <asac> damn keyboard :)
[01:45] <gnomefreak> i will when i see him tomorrow
[01:45] <gnomefreak> or now
[01:45] <asac> we can add liferea
[01:45] <asac> wlel
[01:45] <asac> well
[01:45] <asac> not sure ... but i worked a bit on it
[01:45] <asac> taking it and pulling whoever works on it usually into mozillateam is a good plan i guess :)
[01:46]  * gnomefreak knows how cant remember spelling of his nick 
[01:46] <gnomefreak> emilo is his first name iirc (spelling is off)
[01:46] <asac> ah pochu?
[01:46] <gnomefreak> yeah
[01:46] <gnomefreak> hes liferea
[01:47] <gnomefreak> mainly
[01:47] <asac> right now i remember. he is the one caring most
[01:47] <gnomefreak> are we adding all those damn extentsions into our packages?
[01:47] <asac> i think we should create a subteam "mozilla-extensions-dev" or something
[01:47] <gnomefreak> or leave them with sosa(spelling?)
[01:47] <asac> and move them there
[01:48] <asac> we could then add the QA contacts to that project
[01:48] <gnomefreak> not reallly
[01:48] <asac> aeh team i mean
[01:48] <gnomefreak> if we do our page goes to almost noting
[01:48] <gnomefreak> nothing
[01:48] <asac> and subscribe it to bugmail of the packages :)
[01:48] <asac> that way at least someone deals with those bugs
[01:49] <asac> gnomefreak: ?
[01:49] <gnomefreak> biofox, enigmail,sage,adblock greasemoneky so on
[01:49] <gnomefreak> webdev
[01:49] <asac> gnomefreak: if you add all extensions to mozillateam you will not be able to see the important ones
[01:49] <gnomefreak> truer
[01:49] <asac> imo sorting them to a subteam makes sense
[01:49] <gnomefreak> true
[01:49] <Volans> asac: I think every QA have subscribed the bug of the extension for which he is the QA contact...
[01:49] <asac> really?
[01:49] <asac> Volans: good
[01:50] <Volans> I have do so... :)
[01:50] <asac> didn't know that ;)
[01:50] <asac> thats brave. but i am not really sure that this is the cas
[01:50] <asac> i don't expect much bugs on extensions
[01:50] <gnomefreak> ok i will fix this page first i would like to keep enigmail and give new team sage and biofox and freinds
[01:50] <asac> but someone reading them is probably beneficial
[01:50] <asac> gnomefreak: yes, enigmail is not firefox. i think that team should get all firefox ones for now
[01:51] <asac> enigmail extension needs serious cleanup before i can hand it over anywhere
[01:51] <gnomefreak> all? gnash we keep and flash well dont care much about flash
[01:51] <asac> dump flash
[01:51] <gnomefreak> themes and sage and LP can all go
[01:51] <asac> if anyone cares he should create a flash team
[01:51] <asac> gnomefreak: for gnash we already have a ~gnash-dev team
[01:51] <gnomefreak> asac: we should have one but ick
[01:51] <gnomefreak> we do?
[01:52] <asac> launchpad has
[01:52] <gnomefreak> so why is it on this team
[01:52] <asac> upstream is in it ... as well as me
[01:52] <asac> gnomefreak: nobody removd it from that page?
[01:52] <asac> hehe
[01:52] <gnomefreak> i can
[01:52] <asac> so dump it
[01:52] <gnomefreak> just tell me
[01:52] <gnomefreak> got it
[01:52] <asac> nspluginwraper can stay for now i guess
[01:52] <gnomefreak> keep flash until we decide what to do with it since we get bugs anyway :(
[01:52] <asac> no idea who would be more suitable
[01:53] <asac> thats ok
[01:53] <asac> fine
[01:53] <asac> locales can also stay ... at least those that are on the current page
[01:53] <gnomefreak> webdev and greasemoneky?
[01:53] <gnomefreak> locales we keep
[01:53] <asac> no idea aobut ffox-launchpad-plugin
[01:53] <gnomefreak> give it away we havent touched it
[01:54] <asac> maybe to the extensions team
[01:54] <asac> and search for someone who wants to adopt it ;)
[01:54] <asac> as QA contact
[01:54] <Jazzva> greasemonkey :)
[01:54] <asac> yeah extension as well
[01:54] <Jazzva> I took it on wiki and subscribed as bug contact
[01:55] <asac> cool
[01:55] <Jazzva> (oh, you were talking bout ff-lp-plugin ...  I have some problems with reading tonight, apparently *sighs*)
[01:57] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: keep up me and asac talk about different things all day long :)
[01:57] <gnomefreak> ok let s try this
[01:58] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: It's good to know I'm not the only one :)
[01:58] <asac> oh sorry :)
[01:58] <asac> i think its time to bad. if reading is difficult writing comprehensible things is probably not better :)
[01:58] <asac> see :) s/bad/bed/
[01:59] <Jazzva> lol
[01:59] <Volans> lol
[01:59] <Jazzva> naaah, tomorrow is a day when I can sleep ... No school, no work *yay*
[01:59] <asac> sounds like fun ;)
[02:00] <Jazzva> It is :). More simple bugs I can close tonight (the ones with upstream "fix released" :))
[02:00] <asac> feel free to go ahead and kill all bugs
[02:00] <asac> :)
[02:00] <Jazzva> heh :)...
[02:01] <asac> thats good news. i think i will have sweet dreams ;)
[02:01] <Jazzva> ;)
[02:01] <asac> so :) night!
[02:02] <Jazzva> night...
[02:02] <asac> cu tomorrow
[02:02] <Jazzva> see you
[02:11] <gnomefreak> https://edge.launchpad.net/~mozilla-extensions-dev so fara
[02:11] <gnomefreak> far
[02:11] <gnomefreak> not near done
[02:12] <gnomefreak> it is smoke time though
[02:18] <gnomefreak> asac: you in mode to email me tonight or tomorrow about the tags wiki (what tags to keep what ones can be dropped and any that we add?
[02:26] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: asac went to sleep 15 minutes ago...
[02:31] <Jazzva> welcome back, gnomefre1k ... bash your isp
[02:31] <gnomefre1k> works in progress but here https://edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam https://edge.launchpad.net/~mozilla-extensions-dev
[02:31] <Jazzva> in case you missed: gnomefreak: asac went to sleep 15 minutes ago..
[02:31] <gnomefre1k> Jazzva: thank you
[02:31] <gnomefre1k> Jazzva: ill catch him tomorrow
[02:32] <Jazzva> :)
[02:32] <gnomefre1k> will get around to a wiki and stuff for it in the next week or so
[02:32] <Jazzva> the pages look good :)
[02:32] <gnomefre1k> Jazzva: if you have more extensions that you are aware of please let me know
[02:32] <gnomefre1k> there are a tn more IIRC you packaged them
[02:33] <Jazzva> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Firefox3Extensions
[02:33] <Jazzva> I think everything is there
[02:33] <gnomefre1k> tn = ton
[03:06] <Jazzva> argh... Can't install FF2 inside chroot, because the server is overloaded *sighs*...
[04:28] <Jazzva> asac, I marked firefox task in bug 15179 as fixed, because I thought the source pkg is firefox-2 is firefox-2. Now, I can't mark it back as triaged, so I set its state to In progress. Please mark it back to triaged. Sorry for the mess...
[04:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 15179 in firefox "Users should be discouraged from editing temporary files" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/15179
[11:37] <asac> fta: there?
[12:59] <gnomefreak> testiing connection before i call ISP
[12:59] <asac> :)
[13:00] <gnomefreak> asac: did you get the links i left last night?
[13:00] <asac> gnomefreak: topic?
[13:00] <gnomefreak> mozilla team and mozilla extensions team
[13:01] <asac> now scrolling back ;)
[13:02] <asac> gnomefreak: ok ... cool. can you make me admin as well and then add the mozillateam as a member?
[13:02] <gnomefreak> https://edge.launchpad.net/~mozilla-extensions-dev https://edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam
[13:02] <gnomefreak> i can
[13:03] <gnomefreak> simple
[13:03] <asac> i think its reasonable to say that every mozillateam member is also mozilla-extensions-dev permission wise. so just adding the mozillteam should do that
[13:03] <asac> + me admin as a backup ;)
[13:03] <gnomefreak> it should
[13:03] <gnomefreak> one more admin would be good to start should this be jazzav?
[13:06] <gnomefreak> atleast he is the one that made all those extensions as far as i can tell
[13:09] <gnomefreak> should i apply for a mailing list for the extensions team?
[13:11] <asac> debian bug 477747
[13:11] <ubotu> Debian bug 477747 in icedove "icedove: Linking a trivial program with icedove-xpcom fails" [Serious,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/477747
[13:11] <asac> gnomefreak: yes. certainly
[13:11] <asac> gnomefreak: otoh, admins are just needed for administrative purpose
[13:12] <asac> i am fine if jazzva is admin, but we should ask him first obviosly :)
[13:12] <gnomefreak> right
[13:12] <gnomefreak> ok sounds good
[13:12] <gnomefreak> i addded you seperate from mozillateam to set admin up
[13:12] <asac> roles come with powers, but also with responsibilities :)
[13:13] <gnomefreak> yep they do
[13:15] <gnomefreak> asac: should i apply for a mailing list for team? and i have to set up bug mail with our mozilla-bugs team or seperate one?
[13:22] <gnomefreak> i think im finding more on this flash + PA no sound in flash
[13:24] <gnomefreak> seems libflashsupport is needed for sound but as a problem caused by libflashsupport.so causes crashes when used with flash :(
[13:25] <gnomefreak> see bug #196470 and bug #183943
[13:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196470 in flashplugin-nonfree "[hardy] flash plugin can't play videos at all then other program is using audio device" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196470
[13:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 183943 in flashplugin-nonfree "flashplugin-nonfree should include libflashsupport as a dependency" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183943
[13:28] <gnomefreak> bug 192888 should have the crash fix on it just need testers
[13:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192888 in pulseaudio "firefox crashes on flash contents when using libflashsupport" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192888
[13:29] <fta> hi
[13:30] <asac> gnomefreak: i dont think we need a mailing list for now. is there a way to reach all members of a team without setting up a mailing list?
[13:31] <gnomefreak> asac: not sure off hand i will look when im done in email
[13:31] <gnomefreak> no there isnt unless there was a way added ill ping hobbsee or someone in #launchpad to find out
[13:32] <gnomefreak> Use of getBoxObjectFor() is deprecated. Try to use element.getBoundingClientRect() if possible.
[13:33] <gnomefreak> does the above look like a page issue or firefox issue?
[13:33] <gnomefreak> im thinking page TBH
[13:33] <gnomefreak> full info is https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/195319
[13:33] <asac> gnomefreak: the flashsupport crash?
[13:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195319 in firefox-3.0 "firefox-3.0 crashes on icanhascheezburger.com" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[13:33] <asac> gnomefreak: thats a libflashsupport issue and is well known
[13:34] <asac> gnomefreak: (might also be flashplugin-nonfree)
[13:34] <gnomefreak> flashsupport causeds firefox to crash but now allows you to play  sounds on most peoples pc
[13:34] <gnomefreak> i think crimsun has a patch he wants tested
[13:34] <asac> yeah
[13:34] <asac> thats also a PA issues
[13:35] <asac> gnomefreak: you don't need to actu on that ... that bug is already well evaluated and just needs more testing
[13:37]  * gnomefreak goes to think about what to do with flash as a plugin new team or leave it ours (rather not leave as ours) but we get them anyway cause people dont have a clue between browser and flash
[13:38] <gnomefreak> and smoke
 fta: there? <= ?
[13:43] <asac> fta: MOTU thing ... you want me to draft your mail that you can just send to MOTU council?
[13:43] <fta> oh, yes, please :)
[13:44] <asac> fta: i asked if its ok to just propose you, but MOTU council preferres a mail from you ... so Id like to do that for oyu to get this finally done
[13:44]  * gnomefreak gonna hurt someone with this bs
[13:45] <gnomefreak> compix+firefox
[13:45] <asac> fta: ok. cool.
[13:45] <asac> fta: so far feedback is cool and everyone i talked to concurs that you should be at least MOTU
[13:49] <asac> gnomefreak: i agree that we can keep flash, but we should definitly do what i said yesterday. create one master bug where every flash bug gets duped in until we have a better channel to adobe
[13:49] <asac> (which hopefully happens in this cycle)
[13:50] <gnomefreak> who/how can we do that since flash is closed im sure only paid people work on it
[13:50]  * gnomefreak doesnt know of anyone that has really done anything with dev/bugs for flash that work with Ubuntu
[13:50] <Laibsch> Hi, with the release of hardy and edgy being eol'd, I am going through a bunch of bug reports (not all of them for mozilla-stuff), asking whether the problem still occurs with the latest software
[13:51] <Laibsch> I assigns those bugs to myself until I get a response
[13:51] <Laibsch> If there is a positive response, the bug gets reassigned back to mozilla-team
[13:52] <asac> Laibsch: you don't need to reassign back
[13:52] <Laibsch> If there is no response, I close the bug after about aweek
[13:52] <asac> Laibsch: just unassign
[13:52] <Laibsch> month!!!
[13:52] <Laibsch> OK
[13:52] <asac> Laibsch: maybe ask for the first few bugs on what to do ... sometimes even setting to incomplete is not the right thing to do
[13:52] <Laibsch> I was more concerned about you guys not getting upset about someone "stealing" your bugs from you
[13:52] <Laibsch> ;-)
[13:52] <asac> hey :)
[13:53] <asac> look at the bug counts. we won't even notice any robbery ;)
[13:53] <gnomefreak> steal all you want ;)
[13:53] <Laibsch> I have been doing bug triage for ubuntu and other projects for a long time
[13:53] <asac> every bug help appreciated.
[13:53] <gnomefreak> hel;l steal all flash bugs ;)
[13:53] <Laibsch> My understanding is that in situations like this
[13:53] <asac> Laibsch: i have a set of scripts that might help you
[13:53] <asac> http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/mozillateam/moztools_lp/
[13:53] <Laibsch> one asks for feedback, marks as incomplete and assigns to oneself
[13:54] <asac> Laibsch: those are run with BUGID and are good for the most common cases
[13:54] <asac> they implement a rather aggressive approach to get the bug count down.
[13:54] <gnomefreak> the one issue i have with that is people forget to unasssign after getting info and the bug goes lost since that user cant/dont want to fix it
[13:54] <Laibsch> well, for now, I'll leave those scripts to you
[13:55] <asac> Laibsch: sure. just wanted to be helpful
[13:55] <asac> :)
[13:55] <Laibsch> gnomefreak: Don't worry, I do go through https://bugs.launchpad.net/~r0lf/+assignedbugs from time to time
[13:56] <Laibsch> asac: Sure, I appreciate the offer of improved efficiency
[13:56] <Laibsch> But I am not trying to get too involved in moz's firehose ;-)
[13:56] <gnomefreak> Laibsch: thank you , have at them :)
[13:56] <asac> Laibsch: just do a bunch manually. if you are uncertain about anything feel free to ask
[13:57]  * Laibsch does take a closer look at the scripts now
[13:57] <Laibsch> always wanted to learn python better anyways
[13:59] <asac> Laibsch: if you can identify other cases that would help to have covered in scripts let me know. i can implement or help you implement them
[14:00] <fta> asac, do you have the draft for the extensions yet ?
[14:01] <gnomefreak> asac: firefox not responding (buttons go grey) only with compiz running would you say firefox fault or compiz fault? i already explained myself on bug but would like to know if at all what firefox can do about it (im thinking its mem+proc usage by compiz causing this)
[14:02] <asac> fta: you can be really naggy ;) ... what would be the right title for the wiki page? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Firefox3Extensions/MassMaintenance ?
[14:02] <asac> or BzrProcedures?
[14:02] <asac> or AutoTracking?
[14:02] <Laibsch> asac: how do the scripts work "python $scriptname $bugnumber"?
[14:03] <Laibsch> or $bugurl?
[14:03] <Laibsch> or something else entirely?
[14:03] <asac> Laibsch: yes. you need your firefox cookies.txt in the same directory that you run it
[14:03] <asac> to be authenticated
[14:03] <fta> i just wanted to start organizing my thoughts for implementation, so seeing the full picture would help :)
[14:04] <asac> Laibsch: its like you first suggested ... which doesn't mean that bugnumber needs to be the only parameter for future scripts
[14:04] <Laibsch> asac: I will create my own scripts (not only for mozilla) based on yours
[14:04] <Laibsch> Thanks for sharing
[14:04] <gnomefreak> fta since i have to build a wiki for the extensions-dev team why not use that once i get to it
[14:05] <asac> Laibsch: its really helpful because launchpad is pretty slow ... you can decide what to do and start the python script, then go ahead with the next bug while that is running and so on
[14:05] <asac> gnomefreak: where?
[14:05] <Laibsch> yes, very nice
[14:05] <Laibsch> thanks
[14:05] <gnomefreak> fta: just one catch it might be a while before i hit it
[14:05] <gnomefreak> asac: not yet anywhere
[14:05] <asac> gnomefreak: ok. ill hook it in beneath the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Firefox3Extensions page
[14:05] <asac> for now
[14:06] <gnomefreak> ok
[14:06] <gnomefreak> i will get to it sometime in next day or 2 i hope
[14:06] <asac> fta: ok, ill use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Firefox3Extensions/LargeScaleMaintenance for now :)
[14:07] <fta> ok
[14:08] <gnomefreak> what is sloppy focus?
[14:09] <gnomefreak> there are like 5 extentions pages atm the above not being one of them
[14:09] <gnomefreak> for 3.0
[14:11] <gnomefreak> we should have kept iceape in Hardy repos
[14:11] <Laibsch> asac: How do I assign the bug to myself?
[14:11] <Laibsch> asac: with those scripts?
[14:11] <gnomefreak> now we have upgrade bugs
[14:12] <Laibsch> asac: I guess I need to look at "import launchpadbugs.connector as Connector"
[14:13] <Laibsch> "locate launchpadbugs|grep -i assign" yielded nothing
[14:13] <Laibsch> well, of course ;-)
[14:13] <Laibsch> forgot an xargs
[14:13] <Laibsch> lots of hits all of the sudden
[14:14] <asac> Laibsch: figured?
[14:14] <Laibsch> not yet
[14:14] <Laibsch> still on it
[14:14] <Laibsch> Where should I look?
[14:14] <Laibsch> As I said, I am a python illiterate
[14:14] <Laibsch> although involuntarily
[14:15] <Laibsch> I'd like to understand it better
[14:15] <asac> the api used is python-launchpad-bugs
[14:15] <Laibsch>  /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/launchpadbugs/connector.py ?
[14:15] <asac> i think there are examples eithe rin the package itself or in the wiki
[14:15] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugHelper/Dev/python-launchpad-bugs/Examples
[14:16] <asac> Laibsch: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugHelper/Dev/python-launchpad-bugs/Bug
[14:16] <asac> you just need to set .assignee on the bug to your user id
[14:16] <gnomefreak> fta: is there a way you can set seamonkey in hardy to fix iceape.gutsy > seamonkey.hardy upgrade failures?
[14:16] <asac> before committing
[14:17] <Laibsch> asac: Thanks
[14:18] <Laibsch> I'll give it a try now ;-)
[14:18] <gnomefreak> maybe just change cranding and upload them as trasitional package
[14:18] <gnomefreak> branding
[14:19] <gnomefreak> bug 221764 is the new bug
[14:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 221764 in displayconfig-gtk "After upgrading to Ubuntu 8.04 Screen does not work properly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/221764
[14:19] <Laibsch> asac: http://rafb.net/p/SyS0tU78.html is my attempt at it
[14:22] <gnomefreak> fta: ignore above iceapoe is in hardy waiting to get dist-upgrade files back to see where issue is caused
[14:23] <gnomefreak> why do i remeber getting rid of mailnews or atleast stoped it from building bins for it
[14:30] <Laibsch> asac: Do these scripts work for you right now?
[14:30] <Laibsch> I am getting internal server errors
[14:31] <Laibsch> cookies.sqlite instead of cookies.txt?
[14:33] <gnomefreak> im out for a while i need to do a few things around house.
[14:33] <Laibsch> yes, it looks like it
[14:33] <Laibsch> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/89387
[14:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 89387 in firefox "[edgy] Firefox Crashed x86_64" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[14:34] <Laibsch> my first script-driven change to lp!
[14:34] <Laibsch> yay!
[14:35] <Jazzva> firefox tasks are for ff2, and firefox-3.0 are for ff3, right?
[14:35] <asac> Laibsch: rock
[14:35] <asac> fta: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Firefox3Extensions/LargeScaleMaintenance
[14:36] <asac> written in a hurry ... still working on it
[14:36] <asac> not even sure if its actually safed yet. browser is still spinning .(
[14:36] <Laibsch> asac: Great stuff!
[14:36] <Laibsch> I was always uneasy about unpackaged stuff
[14:36] <Laibsch> I keep the number as low as possible
[14:37] <Laibsch> Good luck
[14:37] <asac> Laibsch: ?
[14:37] <asac> ah ... you refer to extesions
[14:37] <asac> yes. its definitly beneificial. at least we have a chance to stability extensions that cause crashes or something
[14:37] <asac> fta: ignore the stupid stuff on top
[14:38] <asac> fta: just look for procedures
[14:38] <asac> fta: "Setting up new extensions
[14:38] <asac> " ?
[14:38] <asac> what do you think?
[14:39] <asac> makes sense to auto do that once the wiki info is complete? or better bootstrap the branch manually once?
[14:39] <asac> bootstrapping manually could be as simple as hitten the Create branch button in launchpad
[14:39] <asac> so if the auto thing sees that there is a .upstream branch it would happily start to auto import
[14:44] <Laibsch> what is mt-needretrace?
[14:45] <Laibsch> mozilla thunderbird?
[14:45] <Jazzva> mozillateam :)
[14:46] <Jazzva> Laibsch: Look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Tags ... Not really using them, but some bugs still have those tags
[14:46] <Laibsch> Aha
[14:46] <Laibsch> Thanks
[14:46] <Jazzva> (At least I think we're not using them at the moment)
[14:46] <Jazzva> No problem :)
[14:49] <asac> Laibsch: those procedures are more outdated. we try to figure out how to do this better
[14:49] <Jazzva> asac: Do we assign firefox 3 bugs to firefox-3.0 package?
[14:51] <Laibsch> A question if I may.  You all probably know about the middle-click-clipboard in Linux.  It used to be that middle-clicking anywhere on a page would take FF to a google query with the clipboard content
[14:51]  * fta is on the phone
[14:51] <asac> Jazzva: yes, we set it won't fix for firefox 2 and add firefox-3.0 if its really a firefox-3.0 thing
[14:51] <Laibsch> That is no longer the case for me for about two years, I guess
[14:51] <asac> fta: take your time :)
[14:51] <Laibsch> Is there a setting to get this nifty feature back?
[14:53] <Laibsch> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/111339/comments/3
[14:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111339 in firefox "Middle-Click does not scroll web site in feisty" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[14:53] <Jazzva> asac: Ok ... Though I can't do the "Won't fix" :)
[14:53] <asac> Laibsch: that might just be a coincident
[14:53] <asac> you can enable the feature by going to about:config
[14:53] <Laibsch> which is what I did
[14:53] <Laibsch> searching for "clip" yielded nothing
[14:53] <Jazzva> asac: Invalid maybe?
[14:53] <Laibsch> asac: what key am I looking for?
[14:53] <asac> Laibsch: search for middlemouse
[14:53] <Laibsch> OK, thanks
[14:56] <Laibsch> asac: works at least partially now
[14:56] <Laibsch> When I do the middle-click paste now, it takes me to an URL
[14:56] <Laibsch> BTW, I changed middlemouse.contentLoadURL from its default of false to true
[14:57] <Laibsch> I am not being taken to a google page, but instead to www.middle.com
[14:57] <Laibsch> I guess ﻿middlemouse.contentLoadURL is not what I want
[14:57] <asac> Laibsch: thats what i ment. the reason you ended up on google was luck :)
[14:57]  * Laibsch searches some more
[14:58] <asac> Laibsch: type what you paste in the url and hit return
[14:58] <Laibsch> asac: It used to be that way all the time
[14:58] <asac> the behaviour should be similar to what you get now
[14:58] <Laibsch> yes
[14:58] <asac> i think there is anothe rsetting that wil lalways make you search google when you enter an invalid url
[14:58] <Laibsch> just found that out 30 seconds ago
[14:58] <Laibsch> well, the url is vald
[14:58] <Laibsch> valid
[14:59] <Laibsch> I used to be taken to the google page I would get if I had pasted the clipboard to the search box on the top right
[15:00] <asac> yes, ffox 2 was a bit different in this regards
[15:00] <asac> because the lcoation bar didn't have the full text search feature
[15:00] <Jazzva> asac: Sorry for persistent bugging :). Can I use Invalid status instead of Won't fix?
[15:00] <asac> Jazzva: you cannot set it to wont fix?
[15:00] <asac> (permission wise?)
[15:00] <Jazzva> Nope ...
[15:01] <asac> ok ... triaged neither right?
[15:01] <Jazzva> Nope...
[15:01] <asac> Jazzva: maybe tag it for now. ill try to get you those permissions
[15:01] <asac> invalid will probably trigger new bugs because people get pissed
[15:03] <Jazzva> Ok ... Just to ask (to be sure that I'm not closing the wrong bugs). This is about firefox being grayed-out when it stops responding for a few seconds, because it's doing something. If this is a bug (which I doubt) it won't be fixed for ff2?
[15:03] <Laibsch> asac: This feature was unfortunately gone a long time ago.  Since I am with all the experts now I thought I'd ask.
[15:04] <fta> !info mercurial sid
[15:04] <ubotu> mercurial (source: mercurial): Scalable distributed version control system. In component main, is optional. Version 1.0-4 (sid), package size 84 kB, installed size 340 kB
[15:04] <fta> !info mercurial hardy
[15:04] <ubotu> mercurial (source: mercurial): Scalable distributed version control system. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.5-3 (hardy), package size 456 kB, installed size 2264 kB
[15:05] <Laibsch> Another one I have been trying to find the answer is how to make search engine drop box not permanently change the default.  I want to stick with google and only from time to time use another search option.  When I do, that one becomes the default :-/
[15:05] <Laibsch> possible to circumvent?
[15:07] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: bug # on the n0ot responding?
[15:07] <Jazzva> bug 221586
[15:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 221586 in firefox-3.0 "Firefox 3 Beta 5 -- Brownout" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/221586
[15:07] <gnomefreak> ty
[15:07] <gnomefreak> oh that one
[15:08] <Jazzva> No prob...
[15:08] <gnomefreak> damn
[15:08] <gnomefreak> i havent found another like it example only happens with compiz enabled
[15:08] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: I don't think it's actually a bug ... It might be the flash content on the page that causes firefox to stop responding for a while ... It happens to me also, but I always thought that Flash is evil and causes this.
[15:08] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: only with compiz?
[15:09] <gnomefreak> thats what makes me still think its compiz hogging cpu/mem
[15:09] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: Yes, because compiz has the feature to grey-out the application if it's not responding. It might happen too with compiz disabled, but just not noticing, because it's not greyed-out :)
[15:09] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: when i did it it was responsive
[15:10] <gnomefreak> well valgrind/strace should help us pin it down
[15:10] <asac> fta: added a section for "components & use-cases" to that page now
[15:10] <gnomefreak> hopfully he will attach them asap
[15:11] <asac> fta: most likely one script per component wuld be good
[15:11] <gnomefreak> but just loading those pages doesnt cause anything to happen (he may have slow pc or he is loading other content)
[15:12] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: Ok... I'll test it with ff2 now. I suppose it will happen there, too. But, again, I think it's the pages with flash content that makes FF stop responding (at least in my expirience)
[15:12] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: very true but it suprised me that i loaded them fine
[15:12] <asac> fta: of course forking subprocedures to scripts can be appropriate. but that can be figured while prototyping i guess
[15:12] <Jazzva> gah... Still can't connect to archives. Still overloaded... *sighs*
[15:12] <gnomefreak> i was testing flash from you tube yesterday and not one issue
[15:13] <asac> Laibsch: hmm
[15:13] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: You sure ff was responsive all the time?
[15:13] <gnomefreak> noone knows how to use torrents or upgrade
[15:13] <asac> Laibsch: what you can do is add keyword for search engine (e.g. bmo for bugzilla) ... then you can type
[15:13] <asac> "bmo your search string" into location bar to use that search engine
[15:13] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: wouldnt it say not responding in title area?
[15:13] <Laibsch> Yes, I know about that
[15:13] <asac> so you won't need to select the search engine at all
[15:13] <asac> ah ok
[15:13] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: Could you test them with Flash turned out?
[15:14] <gnomefreak> as in no flash?
[15:14] <Laibsch> asac: I am so used to strg + k, though ;-)
[15:14] <Laibsch> But I guess there is no way, then
[15:14] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: Yep...
[15:14] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: ok i see what you are thinking
[15:14] <Laibsch> I'll keep using google for everything and have the keyword shortcuts for everything else
[15:14] <gnomefreak> wtf is wrong with firefox
[15:15] <Laibsch> Essentially I am already doing that for a lot of the recurring things
[15:15] <gnomefreak> asac: not per page but even same page ff3b5 changes size all the time :(
[15:16] <asac> gnomefreak: changes size? what do you mean?
[15:16] <asac> font size?
[15:16] <gnomefreak> yes
[15:16] <gnomefreak> dpi settings
[15:16] <gnomefreak> change that its the font in LP\
[15:16] <asac> hmm you sure the urls are the same? iirc ffox remember scaling per url
[15:16] <gnomefreak> just in typing of bug report
[15:17] <asac> so it might even remember that you zooomed for some bug id ... and not for the other
[15:17] <gnomefreak> ah maybe
[15:18] <gnomefreak> cant load youtube without falsh at all
[15:18] <gnomefreak> ah with right domain you can
[15:18] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: What do you mean? You can open the page :)... If it's responsive, then it's good, and we can say it's flash plugin
[15:18] <Jazzva> ah :)
[15:19] <gnomefreak> tells me to install plugin
[15:19] <gnomefreak> still responding
[15:19] <gnomefreak> no issue at all
[15:19] <Jazzva> hmm... that's good, I suppose :)
[15:20] <gnomefreak> thats not goods
[15:20] <Jazzva> At least we know (suppose) it's flash ...
[15:20] <gnomefreak> maybe
[15:21] <Jazzva> I'll ask on the bugreport if someone could test that too...
[15:21] <gnomefreak> forgot to restart ff after moving plugin back wher eit should be
[15:21] <gnomefreak> i have no issues at all here. good thing to know is does he run them at same time and switching tabs during playback
[15:21] <gnomefreak> that would be a bug i remember
[15:21] <gnomefreak> :)
[15:22] <gnomefreak> i keep changing videos but everything still respoding
[15:22] <gnomefreak> i dont have compiz enabled though
[15:23] <Jazzva> Hmm...
[15:23] <gnomefreak> hit if it doesnt respond with compiz and works fine without its not firefox bug
[15:23] <Jazzva> Sounds it might not be Flash then...
[15:23] <gnomefreak> hit =hint
[15:24] <gnomefreak> nothing we can do about compiz only issues that im aware of, compiz is free source let them fix it ;0
[15:24] <Jazzva> heh :)
[15:24] <gnomefreak> but travis doesnt like that
[15:24] <gnomefreak> and cant give me a good reason to see it as firefox bug
[15:25] <gnomefreak> but he does that with all compiz/firefox bugs
[15:25] <gnomefreak> and he is one of the ubuntu maintainers of compiz and friends
[15:25] <asac> well, compiz is not easy to define as the reason
[15:26] <asac> firefox does lots of low level X things so there are things where firefox could be more polite
[15:26] <asac> if you have bugs that travis bounced back let me know
[15:26] <asac> Ill look then
[15:26] <gnomefreak> yes i do
[15:26] <Jazzva> asac: bug 221586 is one
[15:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 221586 in firefox-3.0 "Firefox 3 Beta 5 -- Brownout" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/221586
[15:26] <gnomefreak> bug 221586
[15:26] <gnomefreak> thats one off hand
[15:27] <gnomefreak> but either way without more info cant do shit with bug on either end
[15:27] <gnomefreak> omg im still here
[15:27] <gnomefreak> :)
[15:27] <Jazzva> :)
[15:28] <gnomefreak> asac: i will even concider both to be at fault but using cpu/mem heavy isnt ffirefox since compiz uses them/hogs them
[15:29] <asac> gnomefreak: i thinkits a dupe of bug 221842 which is a dupe of 215728
[15:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 221842 in firefox "System suddenly slow down, high load-avg, almost unusable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/221842
[15:29] <asac> use the latter as the master as it has the upstream bug
[15:29] <gnomefreak> asac: we need top psaux output for that though
[15:30] <asac> gnomefreak: for now pretty much everything that makes firefox unresponsiv ei mostly that bug
[15:30] <gnomefreak> ok
[15:30] <gnomefreak> marking it as
[15:30] <asac> thanks
[15:30] <asac> master is 215728
[15:30] <gnomefreak> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/221842 is not master
[15:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 221842 in firefox "System suddenly slow down, high load-avg, almost unusable" [Undecided,New]
[15:30] <gnomefreak> ah
[15:30] <gnomefreak> nope
[15:30] <gnomefreak> hmmmm
[15:31] <gnomefreak> got it
[15:33] <gnomefreak> asac: i opened firefox 2 task on the master bug since it is said this happens on ff2
[15:34] <asac> gnomefreak: no thats not the case. if the guy sees anything similar on ff2 its something different
[15:34] <asac> gnomefreak: the feature that is broken here is not in ffox2
[15:35] <gnomefreak> ok not sure who opens ff2 on this bug without any info on it
[15:35] <gnomefreak> but its all fixed now
[15:36] <asac> k great
[15:36] <asac> gnomefreak: we don't need to assign mozilla-bugs anymore imo ... maybe assign only for triaged bugs
[15:36] <gnomefreak> why?
[15:36] <asac> incomplete bugs get auto closed if not assigned ... which is a good thing imo
[15:37] <asac> after 58 days
[15:37] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[15:37] <asac> as long as we get the email its fine to have them unassigned imo
[15:37] <asac> only triaged or really good confirmed bugs need an assignment
[15:37] <gnomefreak> added master to the title of bug so we know
[15:37] <fta> tb3 alpha 1 is in code freeze
[15:38] <gnomefreak> yay
[15:38] <gnomefreak> is it worth a crap yet?
[15:38] <fta> http://ccgi.standard8.plus.com/blog/archives/10
[15:39] <asac> gnomefreak: fta has it in the archive ... I am sure we do not yet want this in the archive yet.
[15:39] <asac> but maybe we want to provide previews after alpha3 or something
[15:39] <fta> well, i've packaged it already, but it's not very different from tb2 (yet), except it's based on 1.9.
[15:40] <gnomefreak> can we have it use its own profile by chance? so we can use it and tb2 side by side?
[15:40] <fta> yet, it's not ready for xul sdk
[15:40] <asac> gnomefreak: yes, i think when we decide to push this to real archives we sould do the same we did for ffox 3 when it was in alpha
[15:40] <asac> but not before we know that its done.
[15:40] <asac> (not sure if i contradict anything i said before) :)
[15:40] <fta> i've not done that just yet, but it's easy
[15:41] <gnomefreak> we cant test it and have a safe tb2 before upload than
[15:41] <fta> i've done that for firefox 4 and xul 2 :)
[15:41] <asac> yeah ;)
[15:41] <gnomefreak> if tb3 screws up than tb2 will be as well on next start of tb2
[15:41] <asac> right
[15:42] <asac> we should not use same profile if we ship this initially to the masses as a preview
[15:42] <gnomefreak> if its in ppa its in the masses
[15:42] <gnomefreak> or is it just fta ppa
[15:43] <gnomefreak> asac: bug 221842 dup of bug 215728 ?
[15:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 221842 in firefox "System suddenly slow down, high load-avg, almost unusable (dup-of: 215728)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/221842
[15:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215728 in firefox-3.0 "[MASTER] High CPU Consumption" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215728
[15:44] <l3on> Hi all.. I've some problem with function "Open with...", Everytime I choose it I have to chosse the application too... I haven't installed ubuntu-dektop meta-pkg, but if I do it everything coming right...
[15:44] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: I think that's right... <asac> gnomefreak: i thinkits a dupe of bug 221842 which is a dupe of 215728
[15:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 221842 in firefox "System suddenly slow down, high load-avg, almost unusable (dup-of: 215728)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/221842
[15:44] <l3on> is there some package to install?
[15:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215728 in firefox-3.0 "[MASTER] High CPU Consumption" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215728
[15:45] <gnomefreak> l3on: try firefox-gnome-support package
[15:46] <gnomefreak> sweet it seems clicking make as a dup filed in the dup for me since it was last one :)
[15:47] <l3on> gnomefreak: E: The package firefox-3.0-gnome-support candidates they did not install
[15:47] <gnomefreak> l3on: HArdy?
[15:47] <l3on> yep
[15:47] <gnomefreak> than install the app i said leave -3.0 off
[15:48] <gnomefreak> shoudl be atleast but let me chcek
[15:48] <l3on> E: firefox-gnome-support not found
[15:48] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@Hardy:~$ policy firefox-3.0-gnome-support
[15:48] <gnomefreak> firefox-3.0-gnome-support: Installed: 3.0~b5+nobinonly-0ubuntu3
[15:48] <gnomefreak> it is -3.0
[15:49] <gnomefreak> what was the cause of it not installing?
[15:49] <gnomefreak> any other errors?
[15:49] <l3on> The package firefox-3.0-gnome-support not available versions, but is appointed by another
[15:49] <l3on> package. This means that the package is missing, has become obsolete
[15:49] <l3on> or is available only within another source
[15:50] <gnomefreak> please run sudo apt-get -f install let me know what it wants to do before agreeing to do it
[15:50] <gnomefreak> l3on: might also want to install xulrunner-1.9-gnome-support
[15:50] <l3on> apt-get install -f going right
[15:51] <gnomefreak> what is it doing?
[15:51] <asac> l3on: install firefox-gnome-support
[15:51] <l3on> 0 updated, 0 installed, 0 to remove and 0 not updated
[15:51] <asac> otherwise you might not be properly upgraded to firefox 4
[15:51] <l3on> asac: it seems to not exist
[15:51] <asac> it surely does
[15:51] <asac> just firefox-3.0-gnome-support doesn't
[15:51] <asac> but firefox-gnome-support does
[15:52] <gnomefre1k> damnit
[15:52] <asac> l3on: you sure you are running hardy?
[15:52] <asac> l3on: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8050/
[15:53] <Volans> l3on: try to re-update the package files anc check to have both main and universe
[15:53] <asac> yeah, but its even in main
[15:53] <l3on> Volans: right! going fine now!... damn... I've repo down, just apt-get updating solves problem -.-
[15:53] <asac> its even on CD
[15:53] <gnomefreak> he didnt finish upgrade im betting
[15:54] <asac> ok all fine then ;)
[15:54] <asac> :-P
[15:54] <gnomefreak> since no updates in hardy last few days he was in between dists
[15:54] <gnomefreak> i havent looked today but isnt archive still closed
[15:54] <asac> yes
[15:54] <asac> i think the big copy is still going on
[15:54] <Volans> many people ask our forums for problems retriving packages
[15:55] <asac> strange
[15:55] <gnomefreak> Volans: most of it apt-get install -f will fix it
[15:55] <gnomefreak> but make sure that you read it.
[15:55] <l3on> Yep! "Open with" works fine now! tnx :)
[15:55] <gnomefreak> im betting its upgrade gutsy > hardy  i havent attempted yet but will if i have to
[15:56] <Volans> yes I know, but for newbies a failed update or update download is an alarm ring and they go immediatly to forum for asking... :)
[15:56] <gnomefreak> Volans: are they using only official packages ;)
[15:56]  * gnomefreak loves update bugs
[15:57] <asac> Jazzva: https://edge.launchpad.net/~mozilla-extensions-dev/+members ... wanna be admin and ask the current QA contacts if they would mind to join that team
[15:57] <asac> ?
[15:57] <asac> and if they do add them?
[15:57] <Volans> asac: QA of the FF3 extension page?
[15:57] <Jazzva> asac: Umm, ok :).
[15:57] <gnomefreak> let me know ill add you when i get back from smoke
[15:57] <gnomefreak> or asac can eve
[15:57] <gnomefreak> even\
[15:57] <asac> gnomefreak: i can't
[15:57] <asac> only owners can add admins :)
[15:57] <gnomefreak> oh ok i will
[15:58] <gnomefreak> ok ill do it now
[15:58] <asac> gnomefreak: you could also demote bluekuja in mozillateam imo ... i didn't receive any response on ping.
[15:58] <Jazzva> No need to hurry :)
[15:59] <gnomefreak> jazzva can i have link to Lp page
[15:59] <Jazzva> https://launchpad.net/~jazzva
[15:59] <gnomefreak> thats not good
[16:00] <Jazzva> Huh?
[16:00] <asac> !seen
[16:00] <ubotu> The seen function has not been operational for a long time.  Use /msg seenserv seen nickname instead.
[16:00] <asac> 17:00 [freenode] -SeenServ(SeenServ@services.)- I haven't seen bluekuja recently
[16:00] <asac> no idea what that means ;)
[16:00] <gnomefreak> its not letting me add jazzva
[16:01] <asac> he?
[16:01] <Volans> too long that he don't login
[16:01] <gnomefreak> it doesnt give anything in choose either
[16:01] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: please apply to team and ill fix it that way
[16:01] <Jazzva> Any way to run both firefox3 and 2 at the same time? I would do it from chroot, but can't install ff2 inside, because servers are overloaded for me...
[16:01] <asac> gnomefreak: you could add me?
[16:01] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: Ok
[16:01] <asac> Jazzva: not that easy
[16:01] <Volans> asac: I can try to find information about bluekuja, he is in my community
[16:01] <asac> Jazzva: you surely want different profile paths
[16:02] <gnomefreak> asac: i know but his name maybe using his real name but lets see what happens
[16:02] <asac> Jazzva: i'd suggest that you create a second unix user and start from there
[16:02] <gnomefreak> i have to rebuild my chroots
[16:02] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: I'm an indirect member, via mozilla team
[16:02] <asac> gnomefreak: just add nick "jazzva"
[16:02] <gnomefreak> damnit
[16:02] <asac> Jazzva: i am as well
[16:02] <gnomefreak> asac: cant
[16:03] <asac> gnomefreak: worked for me
[16:03] <gnomefreak> hence the issue
[16:03] <asac> gnomefreak: now make him an admin
[16:03] <Jazzva> And I forgot to say I can't apply ... no option for that
[16:03] <gnomefreak> asac: you used sasa?
[16:03] <asac> gnomefreak: no ... i just used "jazzva"
[16:03] <asac>  :)
[16:03] <gnomefreak> jazzva wasnt working here
[16:03] <asac> strange .... promotion should work now
[16:03] <asac> (i hope)
[16:03] <Jazzva> umm, it's ok
[16:04] <asac> yep
[16:04] <gnomefreak> your admin
[16:04] <asac> fine
[16:04] <Jazzva> Yay :)
[16:04] <Jazzva> Now to figure how to run ff2 from the same account (if it's possible)... :)
[16:04] <gnomefreak> listes of all new extensions would be good to have handy so i can add them to that LP page
[16:05] <Jazzva> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Firefox3Extensions ... There's the list :)
[16:05] <Volans> Jazzva: you want to run FF2 and FF3 at the same time?
[16:06] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: Just skip the ones which are marked as "no" in the repo column
[16:06] <fta> asac, what was the problem with giving the admin rights on mt already ? I don't remember.
[16:06] <Jazzva> Volans: Yes...
[16:06] <Volans> Jazzva: I0m on Gutsy with FF2 default, I run FF3 using this alias: alias firefox3='firefox3 -a firefox3 -P Test3 &'
[16:06] <l3on> Nice, try it: installing firebug from getfirebug.com doesn't work propertly... install firebug from repo works fine! Fantastic! :D
[16:06] <Volans> in /etc/bash.bashrc
[16:06] <asac> debian bug 476045
[16:07] <ubotu> Debian bug 476045 in iceowl "iceowl: FTBFS: checking whether the C++ compiler (g++-4.2  ) works... no" [Serious,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/476045
[16:07] <Jazzva> Volans: Thanks :)... I'll try that :)
[16:07] <Volans> the trick is to use -a to tell to FF another name to the engine
[16:07] <Volans> you can adapt it to do the viceversa on hardy
[16:07] <jtv> asac: ping :)
[16:07] <Jazzva> Right :)
[16:08] <gnomefreak> asac any plans for devs to include e17 in hardy+1
[16:08] <Volans> gnomefreak: I'm one of the QA of the FF3extension wiki page... I have to do something with this new LP team?
[16:09] <fta> http://blog.kagou.fr/post/2008/04/25/Un-T-shirt-special-Ubuntu-Hardy
[16:09] <asac> gnomefreak: what is e17?
[16:09] <gnomefreak> Volans: ill add you
[16:09] <gnomefreak> enlightenment
[16:09] <Volans> ok thanks :)
[16:09] <gnomefreak> 17
[16:09] <asac> gnomefreak: no idea ;)
[16:10] <gnomefreak> Volans: you have 2 LP pages?
[16:10] <asac> enlightment was always something i perceived as bogus :)
[16:10] <gnomefreak> Lp ids
[16:10] <Volans> no only one: ~volans
[16:10] <gnomefreak> volans and volans-wang?
[16:10] <Volans> no the -wang is not mine :)
[16:10] <asac> Volans: if you could figure whats going on with bluekuja i would appreciate it much. i hope all is fine with him.
[16:10] <gnomefreak> got it
[16:11] <gnomefreak> you have ben added
[16:11] <gnomefreak> hes gone too?
[16:11] <Volans> asac: ok, I tell in our dev chan hoping for some news
[16:12] <asac> gnomefreak: not sure when ... but i haven't seen him for quite some time
[16:12] <gnomefreak> Volans: extentsions dev channel?
[16:12] <asac> longer thanin previous periods where he was absent
[16:12]  * gnomefreak goes away for a few months and everyone leaves :(
[16:12] <Volans> no gnomefreak #ubuntu-it-dev - the italian one
[16:12] <asac> gnomefreak: well freddy and alex were never here for real for most of last year.
[16:12] <Volans> for bluekuja
[16:12] <gnomefreak> ok maybe make a channel for extentions-dev?
[16:13] <gnomefreak> asac true that was school afaik
[16:13] <asac> gnomefreak: most painful loss for us is definitly hjmf who hoped tof find some time this year again, but couldn't
[16:13] <gnomefreak> or should we use this channel for extensions
[16:14] <gnomefreak> hjmf gone too?
[16:14] <asac> but he was here on new years eve and did some bug work then. so i think he might return if he finds time again
[16:14] <gnomefreak> good
[16:14] <asac> gnomefreak: yes, he left with prenotice though
[16:14] <gnomefreak> should i deactivate freddya nd alex?
[16:14] <asac> gnomefreak: i think so yes.
[16:14] <gnomefreak> k
[16:15] <asac> gnomefreak: maybe send them a mail asking if they still mind
[16:15] <gnomefreak> ok what about jen is she around?
[16:15] <asac> gnomefreak: she is in and out
[16:15] <asac> joining the channel from time to time still
[16:15] <gnomefreak> ok
[16:16] <asac> gnomefreak: i don't mind keeping inactive people in the team if they never abused their branch powers
[16:16] <asac> so its not high prio to kick them out :)
[16:16] <gnomefreak> true maybe ill leave it for now
[16:16] <fta> asac, boom, crash in libflashplayer, despite no flashsupport, and the pa patch
[16:16] <gnomefreak> i see freddy on jabber at times still
[16:17] <gnomefreak> fta: with the newest patch?
[16:17] <gnomefreak> fta: take libflashsupport.so away and you shoulnt crash
[16:17] <asac> hmmm heron shirt is out of stock already?
[16:17] <asac> what a shame
[16:17] <fta> "despite no flashsupport"
[16:18] <jeroen-> fyi: Bug #221760
[16:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 221760 in firefox-3.0 "Firefox working on hard disk for 5 Minutes after start." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/221760
[16:18] <gnomefreak> fta: did it work fine without pa patch?
[16:18] <gnomefreak> jeroen-: what is it about that bug?
[16:19] <jeroen-> read it
[16:19] <jeroen-> it's very strange
[16:19] <jeroen-> now it is working normal again
[16:19] <gnomefreak> jeroen-: it looks like dup of the other bug
[16:19] <fta> within gdb, it crashes 100%. without gdb, it freezes 100%, both on the tee shirt URL from above
[16:19] <asac> jeroen-: thats a dupe of bug 215728
[16:19] <gnomefreak> if its working now dont worry about it
[16:19] <asac> jtv: pong
[16:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215728 in firefox-3.0 "[MASTER] High CPU Consumption" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215728
[16:19] <gnomefreak> marking it as such
[16:19] <gnomefreak> done
[16:19] <jeroen-> ah ok, I didn't found that one
[16:20] <jtv> asac: I'm looking at the "external entities" problem in DTD files in XPI.
[16:20] <asac> try remove your urlclassifier.sqlite file from proiile
[16:20] <asac> jeroen-: ^^
[16:20] <gnomefreak> asac is bug 110049 been fixed?
[16:20] <jtv> asac: this is confusing... you're talking to two Jeroens at the same time.
[16:20] <jeroen-> asac: yes I try
[16:20] <asac> jtv: you found a real-life use case?
[16:20] <asac> jtv: yeah :) ... for me too ;)
[16:20] <jtv> asac: the Firefox template for starters!
[16:21] <gnomefreak> bug 110049
[16:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 110049 in firefox "Firefox needs a better clue file" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/110049
[16:21] <gnomefreak> asac: ^^
[16:21] <asac> jtv: url?
[16:21] <jtv> asac: it was this sort of thing, right?  <!ENTITY % platformDTD SYSTEM "chrome://browser/locale/help/platformStrings.dtd" >
[16:21] <asac> gnomefreak: that can be closed i guess ... but ask freddy
[16:22] <asac> jtv: yes right. i did this now in processor by copying those lines to the target files
[16:22] <asac> jtv: what info do you need?
[16:22] <Jazzva> Volans: It worked. Thanks a lot :D
[16:22] <gnomefreak> closed with comment for him to email me if still working on it
[16:22] <asac> jtv: my suggestion was that it would be exported as a special entity with key "% platformDTD SYSTEM"
[16:22] <jtv> asac: for now I'm just trying to see if we have a problem on import.
[16:23] <asac> jtv: and the po2xpi tranformer can recognize that and append a %platformDTD; accordingly
[16:23] <jtv> asac: the cases I see are all using chrome:// paths.
[16:23] <asac> jtv: so far the import ignores that
[16:23] <asac> jtv: no idea if your new import chokes though
[16:23] <asac> jtv: right. you must not try to interpret those
[16:23] <jtv> asac: oh, there are other ones I should interpret?  This is the sort of thing I'm hoping to find out.
[16:23] <Volans> Jazzva: don't mention it :)
[16:23] <asac> jtv: the urls need to be included in the same way in the .dtd produced
[16:24] <Jazzva> Volans: Well, it will save a lot of time switching between FF2 and 3 :).
[16:24] <Jazzva> *save me
[16:24] <asac> jtv: i mean ... "don't try to rsolve them during import"
[16:25] <Volans> also for me... :) I have also the FF1.5, every with a different profile for avoiding extension problems
[16:25] <asac> jtv: we could resolve them if you want
[16:25] <gnomefreak> anyone know the do-update command for gutsy > hardy upgrade?
[16:25] <jtv> asac: that is at least partial good news.
[16:25] <jtv> asac: I thought maybe I had to open the files they referred to, as well.
[16:25] <Jazzva> Volans: Right ... FF2 is using a clean profile now :).
[16:25] <asac> jtv: well. this is a again a generalization that might strike us
[16:26] <Volans> I have do this lot of time ago for site-testing purposes ;)
[16:26] <asac> jtv: but so far it worked well to just include the same expressions in the translated .dtd files as they are usually used to refer to other locale files
[16:26] <jtv> asac: so for now, just copy those.  Got it.
[16:27] <asac> jtv: right. will you use the transformer we wrote ?
[16:27] <asac> to export .xpi files?
[16:27] <jtv> asac: I'd definitely want to look at it and probably "borrow" at least parts of it.  :-)
[16:28] <asac> if possible use it as it works fine now
[16:28] <jtv> asac: any idea how you want those external entities represented in the XPIPO file?
[16:28] <jtv> Comments?
[16:28] <asac> jtv: as i suggested ... parse them as you would parse normal entities for now
[16:29] <asac> but the key is then special: "% xyz SYSTEM" ... with value "chrome://"
[16:29] <asac> as one option
[16:29] <jtv> asac: how would you want them represented in the XPIPO file?  As comments?
[16:30] <asac> jtv: at best like everything else ... but with the special key above ... and the value being the chrome://XXX url
[16:30] <jtv> asac: I see... hadn't occurred to me, but may work.
[16:30] <asac> our parser can deal with that automatically .. only thin i would need to add would be the addition of the &XXX; after that line
[16:31] <jtv> asac: internally they would come into our parser as very different objects, but we can output them as if they were regular entities.
[16:31] <asac> let me think ;)
[16:31] <asac> and look
[16:32] <asac> jtv: it would be beneficial if they would be at the same position as in the input file
[16:32] <asac> jtv: e.g. the normal entities you export are exactly in the same order as imported
[16:33] <asac> thats why i thought that representing them as normal entities would make most sense
[16:33] <jtv> asac: I think that's doable.  TBH this DTD parser is all black magic to me.
[16:33] <asac> ;)
[16:33] <asac> jtv: reason why we need the right order is that those includes could overload other entities afaict
[16:33] <asac> so if order is not honoured there might be divergence
[16:34] <asac> jtv: i really think we should use the special key entity approach
[16:34] <asac> jtv: that makes most sense parser wise
[16:34] <asac> jtv: if its hard for you, feel free to suggests something else as i would have to extend the parser we have anyway then
[16:35] <jtv> asac: it's not really hard, but ugly in one way.  It means we get weird messages, that the UI would then have to hide etc.
[16:35] <asac> jtv: yeah. but if you don't keep the messages this might also make order more difficult
[16:36] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: do you have those alias' handy i cant scroll up far enough
[16:36] <asac> jtv: if you want to go for a clean solution and can keep the order then i am fine with everything
[16:36] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: thanks for hte list
[16:36] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: alias firefox-2='firefox-2 -a firefox-2 -P Test &'
[16:37] <jtv> asac: comments probably won't work, because they'd have to be before a regular message.
[16:37] <Jazzva> that's what I'm using for ff2, and create Test profile :)
[16:37] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: thanks ill try it
[16:37] <Jazzva> no problem :)
[16:38] <asac> jtv: i really think that at least the initial line -  #: path/to/file.dtd(% Name SYSTEM)  makes sense
[16:38] <asac> jtv: if you push the chrome:// uri in the msgstr or somehow differnt doesn't matter much
[16:38] <Volans> gnomefreak: obviously you have to restart the terminal ;)
[16:38] <Volans> I forgot to mention it before
[16:38] <gnomefreak> Volans: yeah i have tols of alias'
[16:38] <jtv> asac: let me think about that...
[16:38] <gnomefreak> tons
[16:39] <asac> jtv: only thing i need is order + where to add them (e.g. path) + what to add (e.g. either entity name or both lines copied completely)
[16:39] <asac> jtv: yeah. ill think about it too
[16:39] <asac> but what i need is what i wrote two lines above :)
[16:40] <jtv> asac: arnnyh.  Things get bad when you consider the relationship between messages in the "template" (en-US) and messages in translations.
[16:40] <gnomefreak> Volans: did you have to manully make new profile?
[16:41] <Volans> I have do that with the other ff, the default one, yes
[16:41] <jtv> asac: are there any solid rules like "if translation X uses an external entity, translation Y must do the same?"
[16:41] <Volans> or launch it with the -ProfileManager option
[16:42] <gnomefreak> isnt that what the -P does?
[16:42] <Volans> the -P tell FF to use that profile, -ProfileManager is to manage (create, delete) profiles
[16:43] <gnomefreak> it fails to use the derfault profile because its in use
[16:43] <asac> jtv: thats best practice. you could also resolve them before you parse, but that would certainly duplicate entities
[16:43] <gnomefreak> or can i not run them together
[16:44] <asac> jtv: thats what i say it would be a generalization. but if you look at the en-US dtd files there is a comment that says "translators must incude this line"
[16:44] <Volans> gnomefreak: in the opened FF create a new profile
[16:44] <Volans> I don't remember if you have to restart it
[16:44] <asac> jtv: so if you want to create .xpis that can be resubmitted upstream its obligatory to do this
[16:44] <gnomefreak> ok
[16:44] <Volans> with the -ProfileManager option or you can do that from the running FF, I have FF2 with default
[16:45] <Volans> maybe in hardy +ff3 is slightly different
[16:45] <jtv> asac: I see.  I'll need some time to think about where to put them, schema-wise...
[16:46] <asac> right
[16:46] <gnomefreak> Volans: thanks it worked
[16:46] <Volans> good :)
[16:49] <gnomefreak> asac: should i have moved ubufox to extensions team?
[16:50] <Jazzva> whom should we bug for locale start pages?
[16:51] <gnomefreak> ok i got more added to extensions team will finish later today im gonna go food shopping and upgrade gutsy to hardy
[16:52] <jtv> asac: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/221988
[16:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 221988 in rosetta "Preserve XPI external entities" [Undecided,New]
[16:52] <jtv> asac: does that describe it well enough?
[16:54] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: https://edge.launchpad.net/~mozilla-extensions-dev should be all that have QA contacts
[16:55] <asac> jtv: that line is also accompanied by a dereference statement like %entityName;
[16:55] <asac> not sure if that should be in there
[16:55] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: Great :)... I'll send the e-mail to QA contacts later. Just a little more bug-browsing :)
[16:55] <gnomefreak> k :)
[16:56] <Jazzva> Is it a bug hug day today?
[16:56] <jtv> asac: oh, that's not essential?
[16:56] <jtv> asac: or are you saying that something should be added?
[16:57] <gnomefreak> crap i think ther eis more
[16:57] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: I'll recheck later, if you want :)...
[16:57] <gnomefreak> ok please do
[16:58] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: Sure thing. Will edit if something is missed.
[16:58] <Jazzva> *missing
[16:59] <asac> jtv: i updated the summary ... maybe look
[16:59] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmm seems that the ones under work in firefox 3 already they dont list ubuntu pages so im guessing they were not packaged for some reason
[16:59] <jtv> asac: thanks!  Hadn't noticed those lines because I was grepping.
[16:59] <Jazzva> Look under the repo column, it mentions if it's in the repo or not.
[17:00] <Jazzva> Better Gmail 2 works in FF3, but I still haven't packaged it...
[17:00] <Jazzva> (for example)
[17:00] <gnomefreak> yeah but still doesnt list Lp link for most
[17:01] <Volans> gnomefreak: I have added the LP links to source package hoping this was usefully, I have do a search in LP for every package... the empty ones is because I don't have found nothing
[17:01] <Volans> but maybe is my fault
[17:02] <gnomefreak> when i get time if not updated ill look for them but once its packaged the link hits you in face :)
[17:03] <Jazzva> Hmm, all that are in the repo (at least marked as such) have a LP link.
[17:04] <gnomefreak> i dont have it open atm but if you look under already packaged or already works in ff3 they have upstream links
[17:05] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: Ah... there are some obsolete lists, which were used to make the first few lists on that page. Were you thinking of those? Only first 5 are relevant atm.
[17:05] <Volans> gnomefreak: what I was telling (sorry for my english) is that I have added the upstream links for all the extensions of the first table that I have found in LP searching the package name
[17:17] <Jazzva> asac: Whom should we bug about locale start pages? What package?
[17:18] <gnomefreak> ok working on upgrade once i get it running im gone for a while
[17:18] <gnomefreak> Some third party entries in your sources.list were disabled. You can re-enable them after the upgrade with the 'software-properties' tool or your package manager.
[17:18] <gnomefreak> that is sweet :)
[17:21] <Jazzva> dunno if I have re-enabled mine :). I hope I did.
[17:21] <asac> Jazzva: you mean the online page? or the local one?
[17:21] <Jazzva> asac: the local one. see bug 216254
[17:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 216254 in firefox "[hardy] Firefox shows wrong welcome message in Italian installation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/216254
[17:22] <Volans> Jazzva: I think is a mistyping between it (italian) and lt (Lituanian)
[17:23] <Jazzva> Volans: Looks like that ... I'm just wondering which package should we assign it to :)...
[17:24] <Volans> but is a quite old bug, is always open and in the installation of italian locale the FF start page is really in lituanian
[17:24] <Volans> ?
[17:25] <Jazzva> Volans: This one was opened on 12.04... it should be a really simple fix
[17:25] <Volans> yes I think so
[17:27] <asac> Jazzva: mdke is one of the maintainers of the ubuntu-docs package which ships this content
[17:28] <Jazzva> Ok, I'll talk to him when he comes back :)
[17:31] <gnomefreak> ok its going im gone for a while
[17:32] <Jazzva> Have fun, gnomefreak :)
[17:41] <asac> ok off for a while
[17:56] <Jazzva> People are using the Help -> Report a problem feature for reporting problems outside Firefox. Just noticed a bug about menu.lst filed against firefox. Funny ...
[18:02] <Volans> Jazzva: I have two friend that have just updated, the FF start page is correct: in italian
[18:02] <Volans> not lituanian as the bug say
[18:03] <Jazzva> Volans, ok. Waiting for the reporter's answer :)
[18:47] <fta> asac, i've posted my comments on the wiki
[18:50] <fta> Jazzva, ^^
[18:50] <Jazzva> Ok...
[18:53] <Jazzva> What's the opinion on bug 217606? Not a real bug in my opinion.
[18:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 217606 in firefox-3.0 "Firefox 3 SSL warning page is slightly cryptic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217606
[18:59] <Volans> Jazzva: IMHO the two distinct thing are: the text of the message and/or the fact that FF do not go to the previus page but go to the homepage
[18:59] <Jazzva> Volans: The "Get me out of here" is still present?
[19:00] <Volans> I don't have a full updated hardy, sorry
[19:00] <Volans> (until now)
[19:00] <Jazzva> Volans: No problem :)
[19:01] <Volans> the fact that FF go to the homepage is strange for me... maybe was a debugging link?
[19:09] <Jazzva> Volans: I don't have that option. Just to add an exception, or to go back, by clicking the "Back" button... It's the fta's 3.0pre, so it will be imported to archive and then fixed :).
[19:14] <Volans> Jazzva: I see the bug... in FF3 on Gutsy manually installed in /opt/
[19:14] <Volans> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-US; rv:1.9pre) Gecko/2008042504 Minefield/3.0pre
[19:14] <Volans> get out of there go to http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minefield/ page
[19:15] <Volans> I see the button only if I click on Or you can add an exception…
[19:15] <Volans> and the showSecuritySection() JS function is executed
[19:15] <Jazzva> Strange... :)
[19:16] <Volans> FF3 just updated to nightly build
[19:16] <Volans> from the auto update of FF itself
[19:16] <Jazzva> I can't see it here (using: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9pre) Gecko/2008042123 Firefox/3.0pre), you can in newer version, and it is also in older version.
[19:17] <Volans> ahahah very strange, you have the only one in which was corrected?
[19:17] <Jazzva> Scared to update it now :)
[19:17] <Volans> if you want I can make a screenshot for you
[19:18] <Jazzva> I don't think there's a need ... I think I remember the screen :)
[19:20] <Volans> eating time for me, come back later... bye bye
[19:22] <Jazzva> fta, asac: Added few comments to LargeScaleMaintenance.
[19:22] <Jazzva> oops... didn't break the line.
[19:24] <Jazzva> It's ok now...
[19:26] <asac> fta: Jazzva: thanks for the comments
[19:26] <asac> those are indeed the questions that we need to sort out
[19:27] <Jazzva> Yeah... I'm confused with branches too...
[19:27] <asac> fta: for the initial phase i think that upstream means an AMO release. i think there is too much uncertaintly how to figure when a release happened if we import from cvs
[19:27] <asac> as most do not even set a tag
[19:28] <fta> but from experience, AMO was very late for beta releases..
[19:29] <asac> yes, but that should settle once ffox is final
[19:29] <Jazzva> is version bumping relevant?
[19:30] <asac> no sure if we could manually overrule autoimport in case we temporarily need a cvs snapstho
[19:30] <Jazzva> Can we do that in script, or should it be left to maintainers?
[19:30] <asac> Jazzva: upstream version can be bumped by script i guess
[19:31] <Jazzva> another question now is "is that safe?", but i suppose it's not relevant, since someone will test it :)
[19:31] <asac> safe? to bump upsream version? imo the whole idea of auto import is to auto bump upstream version
[19:32] <Jazzva> ok
[19:33] <asac> the idea is that .upstream is auto rolling ... staging too. and after review we manually push from staging to release branches
[19:34] <asac> fta: Jazzva: imo .upstream has to be maintained in a senior area as well. or at least auto-synched to a safe area
[19:34] <asac> if upstream branch is gone ... everything is lost :/
[19:34] <asac> same goes for .ubuntu branches of course
[19:37] <asac> so would "junior" developers maintain improve branches by editing .staging? or do we need another layer?
[19:39] <asac> ok i am off for a few more hours ... cocktail night.
[19:39] <asac> will be back for sure later
[19:39] <asac> cu!!
[20:39] <Jazzva> fta, this might be for you bug 220325, if you were working on firefox.desktop file :)
[20:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220325 in firefox "[Hardy] Firefox is not present in "Network" section of the menu in Kubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220325
[20:40] <fta> hm, /usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop  is from ff2, not ff3
[20:40] <Jazzva> fta: I have firefox.desktop and firefox-2.desktop
[20:41] <fta> oh, right
[20:41] <Jazzva> /usr/bin/firefox -> firefox-3.0
[20:46] <fta> fta@ix:~ $ grep Categories /usr/share/applications/firefo*desktop
[20:46] <fta> /usr/share/applications/firefox-4.0.desktop:Categories=Application;Network;
[20:46] <fta> /usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop:Categories=GTK;Network;
[20:46] <fta> /usr/share/applications/firefox-minefield.desktop:Categories=Application;Network;
[20:46] <fta> strange that only ff3 is wrong
[20:46] <fta> i'll fix it
[20:46] <Jazzva> Ok :)
[20:46] <Jazzva> Thanks :)
[20:47] <fta> ix:~/bzr/firefox-3.0.head/debian$ grep Categories *desktop
[20:47] <fta> firefox-3.0-final.desktop:Categories=GTK;Network;
[20:47] <fta> firefox-3.0-granparadiso.desktop:Categories=Application;Network;
[20:47] <fta> firefox-3.0-minefield.desktop:Categories=Application;Network;
[20:47] <fta> that's why :)
[20:47] <Jazzva> heh :)
[20:51] <mdke> Jazzva: what can I do for you?
[20:53] <Jazzva> mdke: Volans reported it was solved after the last update. Someone reported that firefox opened index-lt instead of index-it ubuntu start page.
[20:53] <Jazzva> I suppose it's ok now, waiting for the reporter's comment
[20:53] <Jazzva> It is bug 216254
[20:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 216254 in firefox "[hardy] Firefox shows wrong welcome message in Italian installation" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/216254
[20:54] <mdke> Jazzva: I don't think that's ever been true. Before the last ubuntu-docs upload, using Italian resulted in an English start page; now it's working properly. I've commented on the bug
[20:54] <Jazzva> mdke: Ok, thanks :)
[20:54] <mdke> maybe the reporter had something strange about his firefox configuration, falling back to lithuanian
[20:55] <Jazzva> Well, it's good it's done :)
[20:55] <mdke> yes
[20:58] <fta> http://standblog.org/blog/post/2008/04/25/Firefox-progress-in-Europe
[21:01] <Jazzva> Hmm .. seems like it will break 50% soon :)
[21:01] <Jazzva> at least in some countries
[21:04] <[reed]> hey, I didn't notice campd joining here ;)
[21:05] <fta> it's becoming a moz nest here ;)
[21:16] <fta> http://www.osnews.com/story/19675
[21:39] <fta> asac, Jazzva: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/7587/
[21:45] <Jazzva> Heh ... :)
[21:45] <Jazzva> dinner and movie time, see you in two hours or so.
[22:35] <Volans> Jazzva: just for curiosity, you have see the previous bug after the update of FF3?
[22:36] <Jazzva> Volans: The "get me out of here" vs "add an exception" bug?
[22:36] <Volans> yes
[22:36] <Jazzva> I have seen it before, I don't see it now. I'll update the software, as soon as the archives are not overloaded :)
[22:38] <Volans> ok, if you think that I can in someway help you, free to tell me ;)
[22:38] <Jazzva> Volans, you have received a mail about moz-ext-dev team. Feel free to ignore it, since you're already a member...
[22:38] <Volans> ok, I've read it just now
[22:39] <Jazzva> Volans: Sure ... Feel free to join the bug report :).
[22:40] <Volans> to that bug or some metabug that cover all the FF bugs?
[22:41] <Jazzva> Well, I haven't seen a dupe of it ... if you have any ideas about this bug, just comment/work on it/... :)
[22:45] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: Reviewed the extensions lp page. I have sorted them alphabetically and replaced mozilla-firefox-adblock with adblock-plus, since m-f-a is a transitional pkg to a-p.
[22:45] <Jazzva> I think everything is there...
[22:45] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[22:45] <gnomefreak> thanks
[22:45] <Jazzva> no problem
[22:46] <gnomefreak> upgrade gutsy > harddy grub is borked
[22:46] <gnomefreak> not good
[22:47] <gnomefreak> titleUbuntu 7.10, kernel 2.6.22-14-386 (on /dev/sda1)
[22:47] <gnomefreak> never updated grub or never installed
[22:47] <Jazzva> sounds bad
[22:48] <gnomefreak> let me boot to it and play a bit with it
[23:04] <Volans> asac: there?
[23:14] <gnomefreak> asac you still up?
[23:15] <Jazzva> Maybe he's drunk :P
[23:15] <Jazzva> (he went off for cocktails)
[23:15] <gnomefreak> damn :(
[23:15] <gnomefreak> i need his expertness
[23:15] <gnomefreak> thanks
[23:15] <Jazzva> He said he'll be back...
[23:16] <gnomefreak> anyone else know if you can look at real time connection info from term?
[23:16] <Volans> netstat?
[23:16] <gnomefreak> its not real time its just prints
[23:17] <Volans> ngrep
[23:17] <gnomefreak> i want to see when the packets are going wrong
[23:17] <Volans> ;)
[23:17] <gnomefreak> ill install it and find out
[23:17] <gnomefreak> thanks
[23:17] <Volans> ngrep is no so simple, but if you use ngrep from root ans some filters I think you can reach that
[23:18] <Volans> but nothing you can do with tamper data FF extension gnomefreak?
[23:18] <gnomefreak> ok ill play with it :)
[23:18] <gnomefreak> not that i know of
[23:19] <gnomefreak> load auto_sev_bleh
[23:19] <gnomefreak> damn
[23:19] <gnomefreak> forgot the / and the .pl
[23:21] <gnomefreak> not here am i?
[23:22] <Volans> yes you are here :)
[23:22] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm
[23:22] <gnomefreak> not good
[23:22] <gnomefreak> After this operation, 262kB of additional disk space will be used.
[23:22] <gnomefreak> Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y
[23:22] <gnomefreak> 0% [Connecting to archive.ubuntu.com (91.189.92.3)]
[23:22] <Jazzva> archives overload
[23:22] <gnomefreak> most likely
[23:22] <Jazzva> have been expiriencing all day and last night *sighs*
[23:23] <Volans> try to change in sources.list the domain
[23:23] <Volans> with other countries, also in synaptic
[23:23] <Jazzva> I was too lazy to do that :)...
[23:23] <gnomefreak> i did but of course only gb uk and none
[23:23] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: sed is yuour friend
[23:23] <Volans> why only those?
[23:23] <gnomefreak> your*
[23:23] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: Right :)...
[23:24] <gnomefreak> Volans: i live in us and us ones suck atleast have for a few years
[23:24] <Jazzva> done :)
[23:24] <Volans> you can try also other countries, IIRC all the mirrors have all the languages
[23:25] <Jazzva> I'm using fr now :)
[23:25] <Jazzva> works
[23:25] <Jazzva> damn it... not working
[23:25] <Jazzva> It was ppa that was working...
[23:25] <gnomefreak> lol
[23:25] <asac> yeah
[23:26] <asac> gnomefreak: Volans: back
[23:26] <gnomefreak> i could always install hardy on other part. instead of trying to fix that
[23:26] <Volans> asac: for bluekuja from ubuntu-it-* no news in the last months, it seems that no one have spoked to him or seen him in IRC. In LP I see last bug comment on 3rd Jan 08. Maybe DktrKranz can have more recent news but he has some problems with the internet connection and you can't found him online until monday
[23:26] <gnomefreak> asac: any way to get real time connection stats
[23:26] <gnomefreak> ngrep isnt installing
[23:27] <asac> Volans: ok thanks. i wrote bluekuja a mail ... lets hope he replies
[23:27] <Volans> better
[23:27] <asac> gnomefreak: what do you want to measure?
[23:27]  * gnomefreak would love to beable to pin this down
[23:27] <gnomefreak> asac: a general over view if possible
[23:27] <asac> about what?
[23:27] <gnomefreak> bellsouth may want info to fix it
[23:28] <asac> gnomefreak: i doubt they need info. usually telcos can measure stats from their side
[23:28] <gnomefreak> ping i guess i can start with and see what they want from there
[23:28] <Jazzva> Dunno if it's synchronized good, but yu.archive is accessible :)
[23:28] <gnomefreak> ok ill call them than and hope the archives relax soon
[23:28] <Jazzva> (I think it had some delayed updates before)
[23:29] <asac> gnomefreak: right. just call them and tell them what your issues are
[23:29] <asac> gnomefreak: are you using DSL?
[23:29] <gnomefreak> asac: how are your mirrors from ubuntu repos
[23:29] <gnomefreak> asac: yep
[23:29] <gnomefreak> assuming your using de
[23:29] <asac> gnomefreak: ok, they should be able to measure signal strength and such
[23:29] <Volans> gnomefreak: a friend of mine suggest also wireshark
[23:29] <asac> gnomefreak: not sure ... i can try
[23:30] <gnomefreak> oh wtf
[23:30] <gnomefreak> asac: grrrrrr firefox removed my book marks
[23:31] <gnomefreak> for 2.0 and 3
[23:31] <asac> gnomefreak: if you switch between 2 and 3 there might be issues
[23:32] <gnomefreak> there is no might about it :)
[23:32] <asac> yeah ...there will be issues
[23:32] <asac> gnomefreak: you should use different profiles
[23:32] <gnomefreak> i am
[23:32] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: Use Weave extension (on Mozilla labs), good for backing up bookmarks :) (although, it's still in alpha)
[23:32] <gnomefreak> so i thought
[23:32] <asac> gnomefreak: you might try to remove your XUL.mfasl file from your profile
[23:32] <asac> maybe that helps
[23:34] <gnomefreak> ok restarting ff
[23:34] <asac> gnomefreak: i am using archive.ubuntu.com ... is quite laggy, but responds after some time
[23:35] <gnomefreak> ok im using that too
[23:35] <gnomefreak> thanks
[23:35] <asac> takes about 1 minute to get initial response when running apt-get update
[23:35] <asac> well ... more like 20 seconds i guess
[23:35] <gnomefreak> i wasnt getting anything
[23:35] <Jazzva> asac: Lucky you :)
[23:35] <gnomefreak> now im showing bps
[23:36] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: Try yu.archive.ubuntu.com, it worked now. And seems like it is properly mirrored
[23:36] <Volans> asac have a special route to the repositories ;)
[23:36] <gnomefreak> 12s for update
[23:36] <asac> haha :)
[23:36] <asac> well ... i guess from europe it might be better ;)
[23:37] <gnomefreak> its the headers when trying to install ngrep
[23:37] <gnomefreak> here we go :)
[23:37] <asac> fta: Jazzva: do you have brainstorm account? maybe one of you can post our firefox3extension wiki page in that firefox addons thing?`
[23:38] <asac> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/7587/
[23:38] <Jazzva> Nope. I can make one, though
[23:38] <asac> let me check if i can post something ;)
[23:38] <Jazzva> Sure ...
[23:38] <asac> hmm ... need login
[23:38] <Jazzva> It would be nice if we could use LP login :)
[23:38] <asac> wow ... some password worked ;)
[23:38] <Jazzva> Good :)...
[23:39] <asac> i think its the same that you use on iso testing :)
[23:39] <Jazzva> iso testing?
[23:40] <asac> yeah
[23:40] <asac> Jazzva: never did QA?
[23:40] <asac> shame on you ;)
[23:40] <asac> Jazzva: http://qa.ubuntu.com/
[23:40]  * Jazzva hides
[23:41] <asac> we even have a mozilla qa site there ;)
[23:41] <Jazzva> And what's with the mozilla.qa.stgraber.org? :)
[23:41] <asac> Jazzva: that was promoted tobe an official .ubuntu.com site now
[23:41] <asac> its the same
[23:41] <asac> just hosted officially
[23:42] <Jazzva> I see...
[23:42] <gnomefreak> brb deal with this assholes
[23:42] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: Good luck...
[23:42] <asac> http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/reports/gt2dups/firefox-3.0.html
[23:42] <asac> bugs with more than 2 dups :)
[23:42] <asac> (found linked from that site)
[23:44] <asac> damn thing .. didn't know that bug 212726 is really duped
[23:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 212726 in firefox-3.0 "[Master] Eight (8) instances of back/forward buttons" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/212726
[23:44] <asac> i had a private report about that
[23:46] <asac> ok milestoned for hardy update
[23:46] <Jazzva> asac, could you see if this is fixed bug 161987? I searched bugzilla.mozilla, but didn't found a report...
[23:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 161987 in firefox "Firefox Bus Error & Segfault on Sun Blade 100 (UltraSparc)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/161987
[23:47] <Jazzva> Thanks
[23:47] <asac> Jazzva: thats fixed in firefox 3
[23:47] <asac> its an alignment crash
[23:48] <asac> armin76 certainly knows
[23:49] <asac> Jazzva: i think its mozilla  bug 289394
[23:49] <Jazzva> asac: Ok... So, FF2 tasks is "won't fix"?
[23:49] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 289394 in XSLT "Double.cpp causes unaligned accesses" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=289394
[23:49] <asac> bug 303518
[23:49] <Jazzva> mozilla bug 303518
[23:49] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 303518 in Startup and Profile System "cache directory setting" [Normal,Verified: duplicate] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=303518
[23:49] <Jazzva> thank you, ubotu
[23:49] <asac> hmm ok i think its attachment id ;)
[23:50] <asac> Jazzva: another is mozilla bug 161826
[23:50] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 161826 in Layout: Fonts and Text "nsTextFrame::MeasureText()'s fast text measuring codepath crashes on RISC machines" [Critical,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161826
[23:51] <Jazzva> Thanks... I'll go through reports :)
[23:51] <asac> there is a patch for firefox 2
[23:52] <asac> but david miller is really an idiot and looking at the comments dbaron even has comments
[23:52] <Jazzva> Can we use that patch for Ubuntu?
[23:52] <asac> armin76: whats the state of your patch of the above bug?
[23:53] <asac> Jazzva: not sure ... david miller never clarified ... just screamed: "i am not a monkey"
[23:53] <asac> we could apply that patch on top and hope
[23:53] <Jazzva> Mhm... maybe to ask the reporter to test before releasing
[23:53] <asac> but our patch is really bad and should be replaced with parts of what miller submitted
[23:54] <asac> we already have a patch which doesn't catch all
[23:54] <asac> Jazzva: wait for armin76
[23:54] <asac> he knows
[23:54] <Jazzva> Ok
[23:55] <asac> Jazzva: the idea is to replace the bz161826-nsTextFrame-MeasureText-s-crash-on-RISC.patch patch with the latest miller patch
[23:56] <asac> or maybe with with armin76s patch
[23:56] <asac> we have to wait fo rhim