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boolka	just installed 8.04 on laptop, it only uses 3/4 of the screen? Is there any way to fix it?	00:03
TheSheep	boolka: most possibly it thinks you have some smaller monitor connected	00:04
TheSheep	boolka: and scales the panels to fit in that monitor	00:04
boolka	ok	00:04
boolka	how do i fix it?	00:04
TheSheep	what outputs does the 'xrandr' command list?	00:05
boolka	sec	00:05
TheSheep	if it lists something like 'TVOUT', you can do 'xrandr --output TVOUT --off' and see if it helps	00:07
boolka2	TheSheep: can i msg you the paste?	00:07
TheSheep	!pastebin	00:07
ubotu	pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)	00:07
boolka2	http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64292/	00:08
zut	Why does the Xubuntu site say that the new 8.10 release is supported until 2012 (i.e. 4 years)? I thought LTS versions are only supported for 3 years?	00:09
TheSheep	boolka2: do you have anything connected to the vga-0? an external monitor screen?	00:09
boolka2	yes	00:10
boolka2	my backlight is broken and thats the only way i could see	00:10
boolka2	brb	00:10
TheSheep	boolka2: then disable the laptop's screen	00:10
TheSheep	boolka2: with 'xrandr --output LVDS --off'	00:11
TheSheep	you can also disable it in xorg.conf, but I'm not sure how, there are some posts on the forum about that	00:12
PsynoKhi0	is brasero 0.6.1 reknown for not properly verifying disc integrity?	00:14
TheSheep	no idea, you could search the bugs	00:14
PsynoKhi0	found this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/brasero/+bug/198030 but input varies	00:15
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ubotu	Launchpad bug 198030 in brasero "brasero does not check disc integrity right" [Undecided,Incomplete]	00:15
vidd	anyone know how to format a hard drive via live cd so i can boot and add the drive to my system?	00:16
TheSheep	vidd: there is no gparted on the livecd?	00:17
vidd	when i ran gparted from tty, it was all messed up	00:17
TheSheep	fun	00:17
TheSheep	you can always run mkfs.whatever	00:18
vidd	TheSheep, what i want to do is remove all the partitions on /dev/hdc and make it on 80gig partition	00:23
TheSheep	vidd: use fdisk then	00:24
TheSheep	fdisk /dev/hdc	00:24
TheSheep	vidd: note that it doesn't format, it only creates partitions	00:24
boolka2	TheSheep: thanks, it worked. Do i have to do it every time I connect it to external monitor?	00:25
boolka2	and what does LVDs stand for?	00:25
TheSheep	LVDS is the laptop's built-in LCD screen	00:25
ere4si	parted is the command line version of gparted - it will gormat - man parted for help	00:25
ere4si	*format	00:26
boolka2	Ah i see	00:26
TheSheep	boolka2: you can disable LVDS in xorg.conf, just every graphics card driver uses different options for that	00:26
boolka2	TheSheep: how do i go about activating the svideo?	00:26
TheSheep	boolka2: I have an intel card and I had to disable my tvout, because it thought it is connected and wans't using the whole screen	00:27
TheSheep	boolka2: connect something to svideo and do 'xrandr --output S-video --auto'	00:27
boolka2	I got an ati mobility radeon 9200	00:28
boolka2	okay let me try	00:28
TheSheep	boolka2: no idea about atis	00:28
KiFka	:D	00:32
KiFka	hallo	00:32
TheSheep	hello KiFka	00:32
boolka	how to switch back from svideo TheSheep	00:34
boolka	?	00:34
TheSheep	just disable it with -off	00:35
TheSheep	--off	00:35
TheSheep	and enable others with --auto	00:35
boolka	hmm	00:38
boolka	well it didnt work	00:38
boolka	nothing appeared on my tv	00:39
TheSheep	does the 'xrandr' show S-video connected?	00:39
boolka	i cant check	00:39
TheSheep	?	00:40
boolka	when i turn on svideo , my monitor shuts off	00:40
TheSheep	that's weird	00:40
boolka	nothing appears on tv	00:40
TheSheep	it should display on all outputs simultaneusly just fine :/	00:41
boolka	svideo and vga?	00:41
TheSheep	yeah	00:41
TheSheep	maybe this is something specific to your card or driver	00:41
TheSheep	but then it should at least display something on the tv	00:41
TheSheep	gotta go to bed, good luck with that, alt+ctrl+backspace restarts X in case you mess somehting	00:42
boolka	thanks	00:43
boolka	gn	00:43
PsynoKhi0	nite	01:07
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apathetic-	Hello, I cannot find xinitrc in my home directory in xubuntu, is it supposed to be missing?	01:51
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flowbot	anyone using xubuntu able to use Revelation Password Manager successfully?	02:17
flowbot	or hydrogen drum machine?	02:18
manuel__	so 8.04 is not out yet??	02:51
Odd-rationale	manuel__: yes!	02:52
manuel__	Odd-rationale: Xubuntu too?	02:52
Odd-rationale	manuel__: yes!!	02:52
manuel__	I can't find the link though	02:52
manuel__	just Ubuntu	02:52
Stroganoff	yes but update servers are swamped	02:52
manuel__	my bad	02:52
Stroganoff	http://xubuntu.org/get	02:52
manuel__	I was looking in ubuntu.com :D	02:53
manuel__	I'm planning on switching to xubuntu , good idea?	02:53
Stroganoff	yes. download the torrent	02:53
manuel__	I will	02:53
xjden	i has problem	02:54
Stroganoff	i has bucket	02:54
xjden	lol	02:54
xjden	seriously	02:54
Stroganoff	^_^	02:54
manuel__	I already have ubuntu 8.04 installed ... is there a difference in installing a clean xubuntu install or just adding xfce?	02:55
xjden	last night i tried to install xfce 4.4.2... (upgrading from 4.4.1)... im CURRENTLY on 7.10 (very soon to upgrade to 8.04 if all is ok).... however it errored half way through the installation... with an error saying alsa is missing... but its not >.< and now i can only do half the stuff i need to in xubuntu	02:55
xjden	what i need to know... is:	02:56
xjden	what version of xfce does 8.04 come with?	02:56
xjden	and if installing 8.04 will correct xfce again	02:56
MiKa^	4.4.2	02:56
xjden	or if i have to do that first	02:56
xjden	well... ill hit upgrade and see what happens... thats all i wanted to know ^_^	02:58
xjden	...it didnt say on xubuntu.org that i could see	02:58
homebrewcider	hey there, every time I log in I get a "brown" desktop background (sounds strange I know) with none of my icons. I have to go Applications>settings>desktop settings and click "allow xfce to manage the desktop" every time to get my wallpaper and icons back. Can someone help please	02:58
manuel__	can someone say besides resources, why xubuntu is better than ubuntu ?	02:58
xjden	i have tried all 3 (x, u and k) and i like Xubuntu the best	02:59
manuel__	homebrewcider: I had that problem too when I tried xfce yesterday	02:59
xjden	its easier to use (i think)	02:59
xjden	its simpler	02:59
Stroganoff	homebrewcider, login, enable your desktop, logout with "save this session"	02:59
homebrewcider	ah ok	02:59
homebrewcider	thanks for the envy tip the other day stroganoff	02:59
manuel__	xjden: what about ati driver problems, is it the same?	02:59
homebrewcider	worked a treat	02:59
Stroganoff	glad to now	03:00
Stroganoff	uninstall the driver before upgrading to hardy	03:00
homebrewcider	could not have been simpler to implement	03:00
homebrewcider	trying the save session tip now	03:00
Stroganoff	manuel__ its faster and it got mice	03:01
manuel__	can you name some other good apt based distros?	03:01
manuel__	Stroganoff: yeah the mice are nice	03:01
Stroganoff	linux mint, manuel__	03:01
manuel__	Stroganoff: that's basically ubuntu though	03:01
Stroganoff	yep ;)	03:01
Stroganoff	debian or sidux then	03:01
homebrewcider	nope, the save session box was checked but had the same problem	03:01
Stroganoff	add xfdesktop to your startup items, homebrewcider	03:02
manuel__	Stroganoff: I've always been curious about debian	03:02
homebrewcider	ah ok	03:02
manuel__	Stroganoff: is it more mature than ubuntu?	03:02
Stroganoff	no	03:03
Stroganoff	ubuntu is the best you can get in most ways	03:03
manuel__	I'm just sick that the ati restricted drivers never work. .. I was so optimistic with the coming of hardy	03:03
Stroganoff	manuel__ they work for some people ;)	03:04
manuel__	the minority	03:04
manuel__	How about fedora?	03:04
Stroganoff	they are doing some nice work as well	03:05
manuel__	do you know if i can upgrade online to the next version like ubuntu does?	03:05
Stroganoff	you can	03:06
Stroganoff	try this for installing ati drivers in ubuntu: http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html	03:06
manuel__	Yep, I've done it	03:07
manuel__	what happened was that instead of opening gnome correctly, it gave me a white screen	03:07
Stroganoff	change DefaultDepth	03:07
manuel__	how?	03:08
Stroganoff	sudo nano /etc/X11/Xorg.conf	03:09
Stroganoff	change DefaultDepth to 16	03:09
Stroganoff	just guessing...	03:09
homebrewcider	mmm, under Applications>settings>sessions and startup settings, I have "automatically save session on logout" checked, but I still have the same problem on logout, is ther a config file i can check?	03:10
homebrewcider	on login I mean	03:10
manuel__	Stroganoff: would you believe me that, my xorg.conf is empty???	03:11
Stroganoff	you could delete the cache files at ~/.config/ somewhere (i dont use xfce session manager)	03:11
Stroganoff	manuel__ big X.. Xorg.conf	03:11
manuel__	yes, Xorg.conf	03:11
manuel__	is completely empty	03:12
Stroganoff	manuel__ always use [TAB] for auto completion in terminal	03:12
manuel__	:o	03:12
manuel__	I always do	03:12
Stroganoff	X wouldnt start a white screen with an empty config file	03:12
manuel__	oh	03:12
manuel__	in ubuntu is xorg not Xorg	03:12
Stroganoff	oops ;)	03:14
Stroganoff	so you didnt use tab :p	03:14
manuel__	Stroganoff: no, I blindly trusted you	03:19
manuel__	And why exactly a depth of 16?	03:19
Stroganoff	manuel__ because theres 24 and 16	03:20
Stroganoff	24 doesnt work, so try 16	03:20
manuel__	Ok put 16	03:21
manuel__	should I try the restricted manager or envy now ? Stroganoff?	03:21
Stroganoff	i dont know	03:21
Stroganoff	installing a driver might reset the defaultdepth, so double-check after installing each driver	03:22
Stroganoff	or google ubuntu + your ati card.	03:22
manuel__	Here I go, with the will of god	03:24
owen1	how do i run apps on startup? i am trying to use the gui but it's not working. can i do it in terminal?	03:35
owen1	(or scripts)	03:35
HACKhalo2	what version are you running? 7.10 or 8.04?	03:35
owen1	i have two machines, one with 7 and one with 8.	03:37
owen1	HACKhalo2: it will be nice to learn the command line so if the UI changes i'll know how to do it.	03:38
HACKhalo2	well, im not sure on 7, but in 8	03:38
owen1	autostart applications?	03:39
HACKhalo2	well, i used the settings manager when i wanted to run the xscreensaver deamon	03:39
HACKhalo2	basically, applications/Settings/Settings Manager/Autostarted apps	03:40
HACKhalo2	click "+Add"	03:41
owen1	when i run this command from terminal it's work - sudo syndaemon -i 1 -d	03:41
HACKhalo2	Type in the name of the app, the discription, and the terminal command	03:41
owen1	but when i add it to autostart apps it's not running after logout.	03:41
HACKhalo2	oh	03:42
owen1	HACKhalo2: what is the name of the app. do i need to create a script?	03:42
HACKhalo2	the name is whatever you call it	03:42
HACKhalo2	it could be called Bob for all Linux cares	03:43
owen1	so does it have to be a script file?	03:43
HACKhalo2	no	03:43
HACKhalo2	i used a command	03:43
HACKhalo2	it could be a script file, but im not that advanced	03:43
owen1	that's what i did - in the name i wrote something random and in the command i wrote "sudo syndaemon -i 1 -d"	03:44
owen1	but it doesn't work.	03:44
HACKhalo2	does syndaemon need to be sudo?	03:44
owen1	mmm ne	03:44
owen1	no, let me try...!	03:44
HACKhalo2	minus qoutes ftw	03:45
LukeL	torrent.ubuntu.com is really taking a long time to do my requests	03:46
HACKhalo2	i know	03:46
LukeL	anyone have a direct link to the xubuntu 8.04 desktop torrent?	03:46
HACKhalo2	give it time	03:46
HACKhalo2	i did...	03:46
HACKhalo2	i'm working on getting the altCD fo i can upgrade offline	03:46
LukeL	ah	03:46
HACKhalo2	because my router is a pos and won't let my lappy online	03:47
LukeL	there we go, got it	03:47
owen1	HACKhalo2: thanks. it worked.	03:47
HACKhalo2	np	03:47
HACKhalo2	now i got my own question	03:47
owen1	you little hacker (-:	03:47
owen1	shoot	03:48
LukeL	so, anyone know if there is a DVD release for xubuntu like kubuntu/ubuntu?	03:48
HACKhalo2	how do i download files for Linux on winderz?	03:48
owen1	u want to use windows apps?	03:48
HACKhalo2	because of said problem, i can't get the openGL plugins for Linux	03:49
HACKhalo2	im looking for the Python OpenGL and Python GTKGLExt files	03:51
owen1	ahhhmm. not sure i know this stuff.	03:52
HACKhalo2	because all i need is the tarballs	03:53
HACKhalo2	after that, i can burn it to a CD and install from there	03:53
n000b	hey guys?	04:05
n000b	anyone active?	04:05
HACKhalo2	me	04:05
n000b	hey	04:05
HACKhalo2	hey	04:05
n000b	can i ask you a queston	04:05
HACKhalo2	shoot	04:05
owen1	n000b: go for it	04:06
n000b	what is the advantage of xubuntu over other ubuntu sub-distros	04:06
HACKhalo2	xubuntu is lighter	04:06
n000b	and over ubuntu	04:06
n000b	lighter how?	04:06
owen1	n000b: i just swicth....it's fast!	04:06
HACKhalo2	since it's based on the XFCE interface	04:06
n000b	why is it faster?	04:06
owen1	n000b: they choose light-wieght apps for everything.	04:07
n000b	light weight usually means less options, right?	04:07
owen1	n000b: and it was built from scratch for performance.	04:07
n000b	les features	04:07
owen1	n000b: not always, but sometimes yes.	04:07
HACKhalo2	not really	04:07
Jasone	anyone gotten remote desktop goin	04:08
HACKhalo2	the OS's are compairable	04:08
owen1	n000b: i don't see the difference from ubuntu.	04:08
HACKhalo2	but xubuntu beats ubuntu in speed	04:08
n000b	owen1: have you tried out all the apps again since your installation	04:08
n000b	HACKhalo2: have you noticed any differences in the apps?	04:09
owen1	Jasone: wait for 8.04. they added vinagre. great app.	04:09
HACKhalo2	i couldn't install ubuntu	04:09
HACKhalo2	my lappy's to old	04:09
owen1	n000b: i don't understand the question.	04:09
HACKhalo2	8.04 got released already	04:09
n000b	hackhalo2: was your system too slow	04:09
owen1	HACKhalo2: true. got it.	04:09
Jasone	owen1 i have 8.04	04:09
n000b	ubuntu 8.04 has been released?	04:10
Jasone	i cant get remote desktop goin	04:10
Jasone	on xubuntu	04:10
HACKhalo2	it's running a Intel Celloron processor	04:10
owen1	Jasone: r u trying to connect to remote machine?	04:10
owen1	n000b: yes.	04:10
HACKhalo2	it's really slow	04:10
Jasone	im trying to bake xubuntu a vnc sever	04:10
owen1	n000b: the servers are busy. wait a few days.	04:10
n000b	owen1: i have an older version CD. will ubuntu automatically update me like windows does?	04:10
Jasone	lol bake it a server...	04:11
owen1	n000b: what version?	04:11
n000b	owen1: 7.04	04:11
HACKhalo2	no	04:11
owen1	n000b: yes. i had it as well.	04:11
HACKhalo2	im not sure about the altCD though	04:11
n000b	owen1: and it automatically updated it?	04:11
HACKhalo2	7.04 to 8.04?	04:12
owen1	n000b: u'll see a button (today) that say - upgrade.	04:12
n000b	ok thanks	04:12
owen1	owen1: my wife's laptop didn't see it yet. but I did.	04:12
darthanubis	where is this "upgrade button"?	04:13
Jasone	the guides made to get xubuntu going sharing its desktop dont seem to work	04:13
owen1	n000b: xubuntu is like ubuntu but awesome.	04:13
HACKhalo2	it's in the update manager	04:13
n000b	owen1: im afraid of loosing features	04:14
darthanubis	I don't have the update manager on my system anymore	04:14
gopp	does anyone know if wubi works with external usb	04:14
owen1	n000b: like what?	04:14
darthanubis	the last update removed it	04:14
darthanubis	lol	04:14
n000b	owen: like anything	04:14
n000b	owen1: like anything	04:14
owen1	n000b: 7.04 didn't come with pdf viewer so i had to install evince.	04:15
owen1	n000b: but that's it.	04:15
n000b	owen1: 7.04 ubuntu didnt have it either	04:15
owen1	n000b: ok (-:	04:15
Jasone	nobody here has vnc4server going on their 8.04 ubuntu here?	04:15
Jasone	xubuntu*	04:16
n000b	can you use the ubuntu support forums to get xubuntu help?	04:16
owen1	"enable automatic login" doesn't work. any ideas?	04:16
owen1	n000b: great question. i think u do.	04:16
n000b	owen1:hmm how would you find out?	04:17
owen1	n000b: because u can use all the gnome apps on xubuntu.	04:17
owen1	n000b: i am new to xubuntu but i think it's the same forums.	04:17
n000b	i heard you dont need any antivirus or anti malware for linux	04:18
owen1	n000b: i also believe it's good to know the command line sometimes so u'll not be depend on a UI.	04:18
owen1	n000b: true.	04:18
n000b	owen1: good point	04:18
owen1	n000b: the best thing is the community.	04:18
n000b	owen1: can you do torrenting with xbuntu	04:18
owen1	n000b: people will help u to get away from MSF.	04:18
n000b	whats MSF	04:19
owen1	n000b: (-: sure. click on torrent file and enjoy!	04:19
owen1	n000b: it comes with 8.04 - transmission.	04:19
n000b	owen1: oh there's an included bittorrent client?	04:19
owen1	n000b: microsoft	04:20
n000b	ok	04:20
owen1	n000b: sure. and it's light-weight.	04:20
n000b	owen1:cool	04:20
owen1	n000b: i also have win XP as a virtual machine.	04:20
n000b	owen1: have you tried gobuntu?	04:20
owen1	use virtualbox.	04:21
n000b	owen1: im doing a dual boot system	04:21
owen1	n000b: no. is it nice?	04:21
owen1	n000b: why dual boot?	04:21
n000b	owen1: i've yet to try it	04:21
owen1	use virtualbox	04:21
n000b	so I can play certain windows only games and run some windows only software	04:21
owen1	n000b: it's great. it takes 2 seconds to have XP on full screen.	04:22
owen1	instead of dual boot.	04:22
n000b	owen1: so i dont need a dual boot?	04:22
owen1	no	04:23
n000b	owen1: hows the media player on xubuntu? will it play every kind of file?	04:23
owen1	install virtualbox from sun's website. i'll guide u.	04:23
owen1	n000b: yes. it's the same as ubuntu.	04:24
n000b	I see	04:24
n000b	owen1: what kind of system do you have	04:24
owen1	n000b: u can also try vlc or mplayer	04:24
owen1	n000b: 1.5 gig ram, 2.6 (i think) cpu.	04:24
n000b	owen1: whats vlc?	04:24
owen1	n000b: another video player.	04:25
n000b	owen1: what's it stand for?	04:25
owen1	n000b: not sure. google..	04:25
owen1	n000b: it's work with anything.	04:25
owen1	n000b: u have many options with linux. u'll love it.	04:26
owen1	my XP is fast. i don't feel that it's virtual at all.	04:26
n000b	owen1: i have a bunch of files on an external hard drive that I put on there when I had windows	04:27
owen1	and u can play flightgear on linux (open source flight simulator)!	04:27
n000b	owen1: how will i run them on linux	04:27
owen1	what kind of files?	04:28
n000b	owen1: thanks for the software recommendations , im writing them all down	04:28
n000b	Owen1: my folders show up as files on ubuntu, so i cant get into them	04:28
owen1	n000b: in 1 month u'll do the same - help others.	04:29
n000b	they were windows file system	04:29
owen1	mmm. it's a usb thingy?	04:30
n000b	yes	04:30
n000b	external	04:30
n000b	external usb	04:30
owen1	just connect to the linux and u'll be able to access it.	04:30
owen1	"enable automatic login" doesn't work. any ideas?	04:31
n000b	I opened it on linux but all the folders showed up as files	04:31
owen1	n000b: ask it on ubuntu channel. there are 1400 people now..	04:32
n000b	owen1: did you say 1400? are you serious>	04:32
owen1	n000b: yes. it's insane.	04:32
owen1	most of your questions can be addressed there.	04:33
owen1	i am going there as well. got a question with automatic login.	04:33
n000b	ok	04:34
n000b	link me pls	04:34
owen1	link?	04:34
owen1	what app do u use for irc?	04:34
n000b	chatzilla	04:34
n000b	im there now	04:34
owen1	ok. what link do u need. #ubuntu	04:35
n000b	no i dont need it abymore thanks anyway	04:35
yukonho	Hi - xubuntu is failing during the "loading drivers" portion of the boot sequence	04:42
Utalcn2me	my pulseaudio device chooser doesn't start when selected, and there is nothing listed when i run paman or pavucontrol, any ideas on using pulseaudio?	04:42
owen1	"enable automatic login" doesn't work(xubuntu) . any ideas?	04:52
maxamillion	don't use auto login?	04:52
owen1	maxamillion: when i logout it shows me the login screen..	04:56
maxamillion	right ... its supposed to	04:58
owen1	maxamillion: i am confused. can't i login automatically?	04:59
HACKhalo2	the auto login only works when you start the computer up	04:59
owen1	HACKhalo2: and not when i restartL	04:59
owen1	?	04:59
HACKhalo2	restart should autologin too\	05:00
owen1	it didn't....	05:00
maxamillion	owen1: yes, you should be able to but i don't do it so i've never seen that problem and don't know how to fix it, i was just suggesting that you not use auto-login	05:00
owen1	maxamillion: what is the risk?	05:02
owen1	vnc?	05:02
owen1	ssh?	05:02
HACKhalo2	you get carpal tunnel typing in your password	05:02
HACKhalo2	lol	05:02
owen1	good one	05:02
maxamillion	well, i just don't like the idea of others using my machine ....	05:04
maxamillion	i have a fully encrypted hard drive, grub password, and required login prompt	05:04
owen1	what is grub password?	05:07
maxamillion	owen1: its a password that is required to even select a boot device/kernel/partition	05:08
maxamillion	owen1: and then i have a LUKs password that is required to decrypt my filesystem upon boot	05:09
maxamillion	well technically it decrypts and encrypts on the fly as i use the filesystem, but the password is required at boot time	05:09
owen1	maxamillion: r u an fbi agent? what's the pannic?	05:11
n000b	hey owen	05:12
n000b	owen are you on yahoo?	05:12
owen1	maxamillion: just kidding.	05:12
maxamillion	owen1: no, just security concious .... i'm just a college student	05:12
maxamillion	:P	05:12
owen1	maxamillion: one day i'll be like u.	05:12
owen1	hi n000b	05:12
n000b	owen1 im going to restart my PC in ubuntu	05:12
maxamillion	owen1: i hope your not like me, i hope you are better than me ;	05:13
maxamillion	;)	05:13
n000b	will you be here	05:13
n000b	owen whats your location	05:13
n000b	owen1:	05:13
owen1	n000b: LA	05:14
owen1	n000b: you?	05:14
owen1	guy, n00b is trying ubuntu for the first time, so let's help him!	05:15
owen1	i mean guys	05:15
maxamillion	rgr	05:16
n000b	ok owen im going to restart my pc	05:16
n000b	will you be here?	05:16
owen1	n000b: probabsy	05:16
owen1	probably	05:16
n000b	ok this will take 10 minutes	05:16
n000b	hey	05:29
n000b	owen	05:29
n000b	owen can you walk me through the installation?	05:29
owen1	sure	05:30
owen1	next..	05:30
n000b	its asking me how do i want to partition the disk	05:31
owen1	my advice is to fully install it.	05:32
owen1	do u have a problem with it?	05:32
maxamillion	n000b: is there another operating system on that computer or any data that you don't want deleted?	05:38
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lucasmk	is um	06:56
lucasmk	Xubuntu based on Hardy ready yet?	06:56
zoredache	yes	06:56
lucasmk	anyone had any luck with powerpc ?	06:56
zoredache	I don't think that is an option anymore...	06:57
zoredache	but I am not certain. I know that I didn't see any ppc cd images on the xubuntu site	06:58
lucasmk	yeah it's unsupported	06:58
lucasmk	but i still think packages are built for it	06:59
lucasmk	hmm	07:05
lucasmk	guess I'll wait	07:05
whyking	hi	07:54
whyking	I just upgraded xubuntu to hardy.. everything fine, but I think PulseAudio is not installed.. can't seem to find it.. onyl pkg installed is libpulse0	07:55
whyking	also, why is xmms uninstalled	07:58
TheSheep	!pulseaudio	08:01
ubotu	PulseAudio is a sound server intended as a drop-in replacement for !ESD - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio for information and installation instructions	08:01
whyking	but shouldn't it be installed automatically when upgrading?	08:02
TheSheep	whyking: xmms is not installed beacuse it's unsupported and very old software with limited functionalities, and on top of that it's illegal to distribute it in many countries such as United States and japan because of software patents	08:02
TheSheep	s/japan/Japan	08:02
whyking	oh ok... is there a new good and simple player?	08:02
TheSheep	try audacious	08:02
whyking	TheSheep, ok.. ... so its normal that PulseAudio did not get installed?	08:03
TheSheep	I suppose so	08:03
lucasmk	PulseAudio is great once you get it working	08:10
latitu	i have hp deskjet 3900 printer. how can i see ink levels and have some advanced configs and printing quality levels . like in windows?	08:32
whyking	lucasmk, got it working.. was actually pretty easy and works indeed nice	08:49
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whyking	especially nice is the feature to allow other pcs on the lan to play music over my boxes.. no more music from my gf's laptop speakers! :-)	08:49
whyking	although audacious is choking when trying to play an mp3	08:57
whyking	ah, wrong output plugin	08:59
venil	how come my update manager says "new distribution 7.10 is uvailable", when 8.04 is out, is there any way i can update 7.04 to 8.04 bypassing 7.10	10:09
jarnos	Hello! Has anyone succeeded in running midbrowser or installing konqueror embedded in ubuntu?	10:11
Iskr	venil, i don't think so but either case it is not reccomended	10:14
venil	thanks, does anyone know if 8.04 solves the display not being switched back on after a laptop lid open	10:17
venil	this has been a problem for Dell branded laptops	10:18
Iskr	i dunno	10:28
whyking	how can I set what modules in /etc/init.d should get started automatically during boot?	10:54
saint-takeshi	hey all	10:59
saint-takeshi	just put xubuntu on my lovely new Acer Aspire 5315 laptop :D:D it's gorgeous	11:00
saint-takeshi	so......fast	11:00
Iskr	yes it is	11:04
saint-takeshi	just a couple of things i need to sort out... how come dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ends after the emulate 3-button mouse question?	11:05
saint-takeshi	i'd really prefer it to use the intel video driver and direct rendering and 3d acceleration. i did it a few months ago on a simillar, older lappy and had guildwars running under wine at bearable speeds...	11:08
saint-takeshi	keep forgetting to back up up my xorg.conf after i get everything working.	11:08
bowenyah	hi, I am trying to run a python script on xubuntu (linutop machine) but it seems to get killed by the system after about a minute. The script basically makes a urllib2.request every 10 seconds or so. Can anyone give me any pointers on how I could diagnose the problem?	11:49
Prodoc81	good afternoon	12:10
Prodoc81	I'd like to upgrade from xubuntu 6.06 to 8.04. If I use the update manager only 7.10 is provided. According to the help file I have to enable the "dapper-updates" software channel but where/how do I do this?	12:11
Prodoc81	or is it recommended to install 7.10 first?	12:14
Prodoc81	correction, I'm running xubuntu 6.10	12:17
PsynoKhi0	heya	12:19
PsynoKhi0	the upgrade to hardy went ok, something's bugging me though: the panels aren't what I expected them to become	12:20
PsynoKhi0	size can prolly be tweaked but I don't have the "Places" menu, what gives?	12:21
Sionide	PsynoKhi0, right-click on the top panel, add an item, places is in there	12:23
PsynoKhi0	eh... and it was that simple :( struck by the "OMGOMGOMG IRC HELP!" syndrome...	12:24
PsynoKhi0	Sionide: thanx	12:24
Sionide	PsynoKhi0, figured it was installed during the update, just not added automatically	12:25
Sionide	Prodoc81, i'd recommend backing everything up and doing a fresh install.. because it looks like you'd have to dist-upgrade to 7.10, then again up to 8.04 if that's even possible... it's likely things would break :S but i'm no expert.. just making an educated guess from what i read on http://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades	12:27
soren	Prodoc81: Upgrading from 6.06 to 8.04 is supported.	12:29
Sionide	soren, what about 6.10?	12:29
soren	Sionide: No.	12:29
Sionide	hrm	12:30
Sionide	http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes	12:30
soren	Upgrades to 8.04 are supported from 6.06 and 7.10	12:30
PsynoKhi0	isn't Places supposed to include submenus like in gnome? "Documents", "Music" etc.	12:30
Sionide	but you can only upgrade 6.10 to 7.04 :s	12:30
Sionide	PsynoKhi0, I've just got home dir, trash, desktop and file system on mine..	12:31
PsynoKhi0	!upgrade	12:31
ubotu	For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes	12:31
PsynoKhi0	oops	12:31
soren	Sionide: I'm not saying it can't be done. I'm just saying what's supported (i.e. what's been tested and what you can expect to get help with).	12:31
Prodoc81	I'm now in the process of upgrading from 6.10 to 7.10	12:31
Sionide	soren, indeed..	12:31
PsynoKhi0	Sionide: fresh install?	12:31
Sionide	6.10 -> 7.10 -> 8.04, heh	12:32
PsynoKhi0	ah	12:32
Sionide	i prefer fresh install.. making a clean start is nice	12:33
Sionide	i tend to install this and that package just to see what they do, never use them again.. system gets clogged up.	12:33
Sionide	back in the old days, i installed openoffice 2.0 manually when it came out, and gnucash i think and between them they wrecked dist-upgrade..	12:34
PsynoKhi0	guess I'll do that	12:35
PsynoKhi0	not sure it will revert to defalt desktop settings though	12:35
PsynoKhi0	default*	12:35
PsynoKhi0	I keep /home on a separate partition	12:36
Sionide	i was talking about what Prodoc81 is trying..	12:37
Sionide	thought you said your upgrade went okay?	12:37
PsynoKhi0	Sionide: ah... well "so far so good"	12:37
Sionide	the thing with keeping the home dir is then you get old hidden files in it which is clutter	12:37
Prodoc81	sorry, got distracted	12:38
Prodoc81	how big is the chance that I'm able to upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04?	12:38
Sionide	Prodoc81, very.. it's supported. see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades	12:39
Prodoc81	ah yes, of course	12:39
Prodoc81	I just thought it would be different again like from 6.10 to 8.04 but as soon as I got 7.10 installed that's not the case anymore	12:40
Sionide	Prodoc81, have you backed up important data just in case?	12:41
Prodoc81	hehe, nope :-D	12:41
Sionide	i would.. just as a precaution	12:41
Prodoc81	too late now. I should have but fortunately it's not a critical system, hence the reason I was still working with 6.10 thus far	12:42
* Sionide watches The Apprentice 4x05		12:43
Prodoc81	hmm, it stops at 'Services to restart for PAM library upgrade:'	12:45
Prodoc81	though nothing is listed	12:46
cody-somerville	TheSheep, ping	12:49
Prodoc81	ah, the magic Enter button is performing miracles again :-D	12:50
cody-somerville	:)	12:52
leftStanding	hi, i recently downloaded xubuntu 8.04, burned it and when tried booting from CD it throws my laptop into what looks like an infinite loop after i click on the "try xubuntu" menu option. is anyone experiencing similar problems?	13:32
leftStanding	i haven't encountered this while using regular ubuntu, i verified the iso against the md5 hash and that seems to match up	13:32
ere4si	I've never seen a "try xubuntu" option - where did you get the iso from?	13:33
leftStanding	ere4si: i'm paraphrasing, its the first option in the menu that doesn't automatically try to install itself	13:34
ere4si	start or install?	13:34
leftStanding	start	13:34
ere4si	k	13:34
leftStanding	i've tried all the options and each one leads to a loop -- cd-rom speeds up, spins for awhile, then slows down, repeats	13:35
leftStanding	no status bars or anything to show progress	13:35
ere4si	infiniter loops are generally kernel issues - did you check the md5 against the burnt cd?	13:35
leftStanding	yes, i did compare the two and it checked out	13:35
ere4si	*infinite	13:35
leftStanding	infiniter loops are more infinite than infinite loops, right? ;)	13:36
ere4si	\at "start or install" click F6 and type a space then noapic nolapic	13:36
cody-somerville	leftStanding, hey	13:38
cody-somerville	How much memory does your computer have?	13:38
leftStanding	i'll try that when i get home, do you have other ideas as to why its not working?	13:38
leftStanding	cody_somerville: i have 1GB of RAM	13:38
cody-somerville	Do a CD integrity test.	13:38
leftStanding	cody_somerville: i've tried selecting that option but same problem, it freezes - never loads but i am able to use CTRL+ALT+DEL to restart the laptop	13:39
cody-somerville	leftStanding, Do an MD5 check before booting from the cd.	13:39
leftStanding	i've tried the ubuntu 8.04 beta version and that seemed to work fine	13:39
leftStanding	cody_somerville: yep, i'm compared the hashes	13:40
cody-somerville	You have or are am?	13:40
leftStanding	can you restate the question?	13:40
ere4si	md5 check leftStanding	13:41
leftStanding	oh yes, i've ran md5 and compared the result against the one on the download site, they both match	13:43
ere4si	seems strange the beta worked and the final doesn't	13:44
ere4si	?	13:45
ere4si	There's not much difference between them'	13:45
leftStanding	I'd imagine other people would complain about this if it was a wide spread problem.	13:46
leftStanding	Must be something funky with my machine. I'll take a closer look when I get home. Thanks for the help ere4si & cody-somerville!	13:47
cody-somerville	okay, np	13:47
ere4si	leftStanding: ask again if there's any more trouble	13:48
Ultraputz	i upgraded from gutsy to hardy, and use LUKS / LVM. Upon reboot, i find that it asks for LUKS password, but will not unlock the new system	15:05
Ultraputz	i assume grub's menu did not get updated to reflect the new system, but i can't get it at it.	15:05
Ultraputz	any ideas?	15:06
TheSheep	Ultraputz: you can always hit 'e' on the grub screen and edit the entry in place	15:07
Ultraputz	sure	15:07
Ultraputz	but i'm not sure what to set it to	15:07
Ultraputz	autocomplete is helpful	15:12
TheSheep	you can also start grub from a livecd	15:12
Ultraputz	anyohw, the problem goes a bit beyond that -- once i get past grub, it keeps asking for the LUKS passphrase, and won't accept it	15:12
TheSheep	but I guess it wouldn't have access to the encrypted files	15:12
Ultraputz	if this is locked out, it would be very, very bad.	15:13
TheSheep	otoh grub must have a way to read them somehow...	15:14
Ultraputz	i assume it's grub because during the upgrade process, it asked me whether or not to keep or replace the grub menu	15:14
TheSheep	well, since you know the passphrase, you could probably use some tools to recover that anyway	15:14
TheSheep	I just don't knw any	15:14
Ultraputz	updated grub, got a new error:	15:17
Ultraputz	"VIA PadLock Hash Engine not detected, modprobe: WARNING: Error inserting padlock_sha) (/lib/modules/...26-16-generic/kernal/drivers/crypto/padlock-sha.ko): No such device	15:17
TheSheep	just an error	15:18
TheSheep	a warning I mean	15:18
TheSheep	I think it's not critical	15:18
Ultraputz	it's still not recognizing the passphrase.	15:19
Sionide	Prodoc81, how's it going?	15:20
Sionide	What the... Why do .odt OpenDocument files open with "Archive Manager" as default...? That's a bit odd.	15:32
gabkdlly	Sionide: probably because you don't have OpenOffice installed	15:33
Sionide	True, but it's just a format.. Abiword supports OpenDocument Format, rightly so.. Abiword made the file	15:34
Sionide	opendocument format files aren't archives :S	15:35
koldrakan	what's the 2 commands for disabling thhe system beep? I seem to have forgotten:P	15:36
Ultraputz	bbl	15:38
koldrakan	anyone	15:41
koldrakan	?	15:41
Linuturk	well, I'm running xubuntu at homenow	15:42
Linuturk	home now*	15:43
Odd-rationale	koldrakan: this might help: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=634295	15:43
Linuturk	it seems alright	15:43
gabkdlly	Sionide: actually, odt files are either XML or ZIP archives containing XML	15:45
koldrakan	thx=)	15:45
Sionide	gabkdlly, apparently so.. the lamen user doesn't need to to know that. it's a document format..	15:45
gabkdlly	true	15:46
Odd-rationale	koldrakan: as you could see, I prefered to "humanize" it rather that blacklist it... :) or you could just "xset b 0"	15:48
koldrakan	I used the blacklist option:P	15:50
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_stijn_	hey	15:55
_stijn_	i've a quick question	15:55
_stijn_	what are the requirments for xubuntu?	15:56
Odd-rationale	_stijn_: 256 mb ram and 1.5 gb hdd space	15:56
Odd-rationale	_stijn_: let me get the exact numbers..	15:57
_stijn_	got it	15:57
ere4si	128mb memory is the main one - after install - 192mb mem for the live cd	15:57
_stijn_	great, this pc has exact 256MB	15:57
Odd-rationale	_stijn_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements#head-1e8a8a2a2221583a5ce5a57a242f72b623469815	15:58
_stijn_	k	15:58
Sionide	heh, absolute minimum looks like fun, might see if i've got an old machine knocking about i could try it on	16:21
Sionide	i bet my dad has a 486 in the loft	16:22
TheSheep	Sionide: that's a bit o an overkill	16:25
PsynoKhi0	that "minimum req" discussion reminded me of a YouTube with some guy trying to boot the live cd on a system with 16 MB ram...	16:32
PsynoKhi0	som people never learn	16:32
PsynoKhi0	YouTube vid*	16:32
PsynoKhi0	or was it 32 MB... bah, anyway...	16:33
PsynoKhi0	was the switch to PulseAudio really rational btw?	16:34
eternalswd	I just finished installing xubuntu 8.04 rc on my old imac graphite. When I try to boot, it reaches the place where the kernel is loading and just powers off. Any ideas how to resolve. Do I need to add noapic to the kernel options? If so, how do I?	16:35
eternalswd	Installation finished without error btw.	16:35
ere4si	at the grub menu - hit e - scroll down one line then hit e again - type a space then type noapic nolapic and then hit enter then b for boot	16:38
eternalswd	the ppc version has no grub that I can see. There is a yaboot	16:40
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Prodoc81	darn, I walked away during the upgrade process from 6.10 to 7.10 and now it doesn't accept my password any more to get rid of the screensaver	18:47
Prodoc81	anyone got a suggestion how to get out of the screensaver?	18:48
PsynoKhi0	ctrl alt f2 maybe	18:48
Prodoc81	what will that do?	18:48
PsynoKhi0	send you to a terminal	18:49
Prodoc81	I dont know how far it got with the upgrade process	18:49
Prodoc81	ok	18:49
PsynoKhi0	then you can ps aux \| grep screensaver	18:49
PsynoKhi0	and kill the PID	18:49
PsynoKhi0	use at your own risks	18:49
PsynoKhi0	I hear you there though, having the option to block the screensaver during an upgrade could be neat	18:51
Prodoc81	it got me in the terminal, is there a way to get back to the gui?	18:52
Prodoc81	my login does get accepted in the terminal	18:52
PsynoKhi0	dang	18:54
pleia2	Prodoc81: there isn't really an upgrade path from 6.10 directly to 7.10, should have gone 6.10 > 7.04 > 7.10	18:54
PsynoKhi0	ctrl alt f7	18:54
pleia2	so you might run into other issues	18:54
Prodoc81	the 7.10 upgrade got offered in the update manager so I went for it	18:55
pleia2	interesting	18:55
Prodoc81	darn, going back to the gui still doesn't allow me to exit the screen saver with my login details	18:56
PsynoKhi0	your pw borked somehow...	18:58
Prodoc81	I guess I got no other option then to kill the PID?	18:58
PsynoKhi0	(no sh!t sherlock)	18:58
PsynoKhi0	Prodoc81: well yeah but if you can't log in a term nor get out of the screensaver... =/	18:58
PsynoKhi0	btw my comment within parenthesis was targeted at my own comment :P	18:59
Prodoc81	my account details do get accepted in the terminal	18:59
PsynoKhi0	oh	18:59
Prodoc81	would a pw reset do the trick?	19:00
PsynoKhi0	ouch my bad, read wrong	19:00
PsynoKhi0	if it works in terminal but not in screensaver, I'd say your pw is fine	19:00
PsynoKhi0	so uh yeah kill the pid for s-saver	19:01
PsynoKhi0	it might have updated the package forit while it was running, butnot configured yet	19:01
Sionide	Prodoc81, i told you this upgrade thing was a bad move..	19:01
PsynoKhi0	hence pw no go (wild guess)	19:01
Prodoc81	Sionide: than why did I get the offer in the first place? ;-)	19:02
Prodoc81	PsynoKhi0: how does this kill stuff work?	19:03
PsynoKhi0	it fries the RAM space the process is running in, so use sparely	19:04
PsynoKhi0	nah j/k	19:04
PsynoKhi0	:D	19:04
PsynoKhi0	it forces the process to stop and frees the ram	19:04
Prodoc81	'ps aux \| grep screensaver' gives me a huge list of libblabla with one line at the end: 'prodoc 32078 0.0 0.0 2976 752 tty2 R+ 20:09 0:00 grep screensaver'	19:06
PsynoKhi0	ps aux \| grep gnome	19:07
Prodoc81	'prodoc 32087 0.0 0.0 2976 772 tty2 R+ 20:09 0:00 grep gnome'	19:08
leche	how do i get my old "settings" menu back?	19:12
PsynoKhi0	Prodoc81: then the whole beef: ps aux \| grep gnome-screensaver	19:19
PsynoKhi0	shortcuts aren't always that short eh?	19:19
Prodoc81	hehe	19:20
PsynoKhi0	though I can't remember if ps aux requires wildcards to work properly	19:21
Prodoc81	'prodoc 32104 0.0 0.0 2976 752 tty2 R+ 20:28 0.00 grep gnome-screensaver'	19:22
PsynoKhi0	ffs	19:22
Prodoc81	this time no huge libblabla list	19:22
PsynoKhi0	no useful info either	19:23
PsynoKhi0	well I'm out of ideas sorry :(	19:23
Prodoc81	darn	19:23
gaurdro	wow, the ubuntu servers are timing out with getting the upgrade release notes. they must be under some serious load.	19:25
PsynoKhi0	Prodoc81: not too sound to pessimistic but, in the short term, a potential issue with the screensave thingie is that (at least in my case) the upgrade manager could ask you to keep or delete a proc blacklist file...	19:27
PsynoKhi0	since you can't give any input, it's gonna sit there	19:27
PsynoKhi0	and your upgrade won't complete no matter how long you wait, unless MAYBE the screensaver automagically gets back to normal	19:27
Prodoc81	PsynoKhi0: well...I started to upgrade process 6 hours ago... I don't think it would have taken that long for it to turn back to normal	19:30
PsynoKhi0	anyone with a fresh FRESH 8.04 installation here?	19:30
PsynoKhi0	Prodoc81: that sounds a tad long indeed... errmm do you have a backup of your home folder? :(	19:30
PsynoKhi0	or is it on a separate partition?	19:30
PsynoKhi0	konnichiwa	19:31
Prodoc81	hehe, nope :-D	19:31
PsynoKhi0	Prodoc81: anything important in your /home folder? :(	19:31
Prodoc81	just a bloody tricky postgres/perl server setup :-(	19:32
PsynoKhi0	gah	19:32
Prodoc81	what if I just shut down the system in the hope that it's finished or will resume?	19:33
PsynoKhi0	I'd boot on a LiveCD and save whatever I can...	19:33
PsynoKhi0	Prodoc81: I tried that once	19:33
PsynoKhi0	resulted in a messed up filesystem	19:33
Prodoc81	GOT IT! killed the screensaver	19:34
PsynoKhi0	WOOOO!	19:34
Prodoc81	I'm back in	19:34
PsynoKhi0	(<-.-)	19:34
PsynoKhi0	(-.->)	19:34
PsynoKhi0	this is my "Travolta in Pulp Fiction" smilie, (c) me	19:34
Prodoc81	hehe	19:35
Prodoc81	wow, weird, I got back in with a config error but gefore I could respond all of a sudden it logged me out. I can login again and I get a clean desktop	19:36
Prodoc81	is there any way I can check if everything installed fine now?	19:36
PsynoKhi0	launch Synaptic	19:38
biro	hi all, is it possible to reorder items on the task bar?	19:38
PsynoKhi0	biro: you mean your elements in the upper panel?	19:38
PsynoKhi0	or lower too	19:39
PsynoKhi0	right click on the applet, there should be an option to move the icon	19:39
biro	PsynoKhi0: just the lower	19:39
PsynoKhi0	ah	19:39
PsynoKhi0	your minimized apps?	19:40
biro	yeah	19:40
PsynoKhi0	or your applets?	19:40
biro	I really miss that feature	19:40
biro	minimized apps	19:40
PsynoKhi0	hold left mouse button I think	19:40
biro	no, doesn't work	19:41
biro	:(	19:41
PsynoKhi0	biro: ah dang... jumped to conclusions sry (in ubuntu with gnome atm here)	19:44
PsynoKhi0	POLL: how hot does the harddrive get on your laptop (please include approx. year of manufacture)	19:48
PsynoKhi0	53C iddle after a while (2001)	19:48
C\|-\|R15	hi....does xubuntu do a good job of detecting internet modem connected via USB on a laptop?	19:50
C\|-\|R15	direct USB connection not wifi USB internet	19:50
PsynoKhi0	C\|-\|R15: modem with SIM card?	19:53
PsynoKhi0	GAH!	19:53
PsynoKhi0	can I delete my 2 previous comments? -.-	19:54
C\|-\|R15	its a cable DSL router using USB on old laptop...ethernet port broken	19:54
C\|-\|R15	just wondering if it will detect internet connection without tweaking	19:55
PsynoKhi0	yeah, thought you meant something else by "not wifi" my bad	19:55
C\|-\|R15	not problem...my bad for not being clearer...lol	19:55
PsynoKhi0	nope, I have to learn to stop reading half of the sentences before assaulting my keyboard hehe!	19:56
PsynoKhi0	as for your question, I don't know	19:56
PsynoKhi0	there is a simple way of checkig it out I'd say	19:57
C\|-\|R15	all M$ ME and XP seem to detect it just fine...wondering if xubuntu will be the same	19:57
PsynoKhi0	hoe much ram does your laptop have?	19:57
PsynoKhi0	how*	19:57
C\|-\|R15	I would try live version, but downloaded alt version	19:57
PsynoKhi0	that's what I was suggesting actually, trying the live version :)	19:58
C\|-\|R15	laptop has 192MB ram	19:58
PsynoKhi0	ok, that's the minimum to boot the Live	19:58
C\|-\|R15	ok...guess its downloading again on torrent....	19:59
C\|-\|R15	have you tried fluxbuntu?	19:59
C\|-\|R15	just wondering if its just the same as ubuntu.....just not official	19:59
Odd-rationale	C\|-\|R15: i've used fluxbuntu	20:01
Odd-rationale	C\|-\|R15: although I think they're skipping the hardy release	20:01
C\|-\|R15	any good?	20:01
Odd-rationale	C\|-\|R15: yeah. It was good. although, anyone could make there own with no trouble...	20:02
C\|-\|R15	ah ok	20:02
C\|-\|R15	but guess its all the same...like apt-get, etc?	20:02
Odd-rationale	they are still on 7.10 rc	20:03
Odd-rationale	C\|-\|R15: yeah, all that is the same	20:03
C\|-\|R15	might give it a try....if its better than xubuntu for older laptops	20:04
Odd-rationale	C\|-\|R15: definitly lighter than xubuntu	20:04
Odd-rationale	although, my new favorite is lxde	20:04
C\|-\|R15	not familiar with that one....it liked Puppy....but never seemed to install correctly and always needed disc to boot	20:05
Odd-rationale	C\|-\|R15: frugal install?	20:06
Odd-rationale	lxde is a desktop environment: http://lxde.sourceforge.net/	20:06
C\|-\|R15	have used ubuntu for years...so comfortable with that....previously had mandrake...but good few years back....they lost me once discovered ubuntu	20:06
C\|-\|R15	thanks for you help odd...very helpful....will check out lxde	20:09
C\|-\|R15	bye	20:09
lobazo	please help me	20:24
lobazo	i can't mount a cd	20:25
lobazo	it's says me	20:25
lobazo	according mtab /dev/scd0 is already mounted in /media/cdrom0	20:25
siggjen	try eject then	20:27
lobazo	i have done that	20:27
lobazo	when i try to put again says me	20:27
lobazo	according mtab /dev/scd0 is already mounted in /media/cdrom0	20:27
lobazo	i can see the files	20:28
PsynoKhi0	what's the default panel size in Hardy?	20:28
lobazo	but i don't like the same error message again and again	20:29
Odd-rationale	PsynoKhi0: in xfce? 24 i think	20:29
lobazo	yes xfce	20:29
PsynoKhi0	Odd-rationale: smaller than gutsy and previous versions, isn't it?	20:29
Odd-rationale	PsynoKhi0: yup. more "gnomey"	20:30
PsynoKhi0	Odd-rationale: indeed... both upper and lower panel?	20:30
PsynoKhi0	Odd-rationale: ah nvm, thanks for the info :)	20:33
=== Odd-rationale_ is now known as Odd-rationale
PsynoKhi0	hmm looks like my notification try icons are kind of bigger than they should	20:54
PsynoKhi0	try = tray	20:54
PsynoKhi0	nvm, xfce's wish list says I'll have to live with it :P	20:59
leftStanding	hi, when using grub interactively can you specify noacpi or acpi=off as kernel arguments or is there a special command that is needed?	21:05
PsynoKhi0	leftStanding: what do you mean by "interactively"? :)	21:13
PsynoKhi0	<- not too versed in jargon yet :P	21:13
PsynoKhi0	booting from cd or once installed?	21:14
Odd-rationale	how do I lock a xfce-session?	21:15
PsynoKhi0	Odd-rationale: I wish I knew... I'd loe to see the same lock screen as in gnome	21:16
Stroganoff	you can use xscreensaver for screen locking	21:18
Stroganoff	but the logout button of xfce should offer locking as well	21:18
Odd-rationale	Stroganoff: what is the command for that?	21:33
Stroganoff	xscreensaver-command -lock	21:34
=== Marcel_ is now known as Marcel
Jeah	I'm having a weird Window Manager problem in Xubuntu Hardy. Xfce4-terminal is opening without window decorations. It has the right shape, but instead of the title bar, frame, close button, etc it is just solid black. I can click where the buttons should be and they work, but they're not visible. Window decorations on all my other apps (at least the ones I've used so far) have been fine. I just tried re-downloading and re-installing t	21:38
HACKhalo2	i had to manually update my kernal this morning	22:42
HACKhalo2	that was fun	22:43
Jeah	Can anybody help me with a weird window manager problem in Xubuntu Hardy? Xfce4-terminal is opening without window decorations. It has the right shape, but instead of the title bar, frame, close button, etc it is just solid black. I can click where the buttons should be and they work, but they're not visible. Window decorations on all my other apps (at least the ones I've used so far) have been fine. Compositing is off. I tried re-d	22:56
HACKhalo2	did you try changing your theme?	22:58
lobazo	after of a problem i'm here again and i want to solve the problem of a cd of data	23:04
lobazo	i can't mount the cd	23:04
lobazo	it says me according mtab /dev/scd0 is already mounted on media/cdrom0	23:06
lobazo	if someone could help me please	23:08
totalwormface	wha?	23:08
totalwormface	can't you 'sudo umount /dev/scd0'?	23:09
totalwormface	and then mount it to the point you wanted it?	23:09
lobazo	no	23:10
lobazo	when i insert the cd	23:10
totalwormface	and you cant access it by browsing to /media/cdrom0?	23:10
lobazo	says me "according mtab /dev/scd0 is already mounted on media/cdrom0"	23:10
lobazo	no	23:11
lobazo	i can access	23:11
lobazo	but the error message appear again	23:11
lobazo	and again after of insert the cd's	23:11
lobazo	it's not a serious problem but i don't like the error messages	23:14
C\|-\|R15	hi...has anyone here put LXDE on top of xubuntu?	23:14
PsynoKhi0	iceWM yup, not tried LXDE though	23:19
KillerOrca	anyone here upgrade to 8.04 recently?	23:23
Odd-rationale	C\|-\|R15: i have. in gutsy	23:23
KillerOrca	did you use Samaba?	23:23
C\|-\|R15	so it pretty smooth and easy to get on top of xubuntu? no major problems?	23:24
HACKhalo2	i got the CD mount problem too, but i just double click the CD icon and i can access the disc	23:24
HACKhalo2	i bet the disc mounts twice	23:24
HACKhalo2	it mounts correctly the first time and errors out the second time	23:24
HACKhalo2	i did Killerkhi0	23:24
MiKa\|	hi guys, my xubuntu isnt able to download and install a lot of software... i have no idea why	23:25
Odd-rationale	C\|-\|R15: yeah. really easy	23:25
HACKhalo2	MiKa -- i have the same problem, i just go to launchpad and manually download the installers	23:26
Odd-rationale	C\|-\|R15: just add the repo on the lxde site	23:26
MiKa\|	but it's really troublesome for me, because i have 20+ apps to download	23:27
C\|-\|R15	good...just looking for a nice ultra light version of ubuntu	23:27
C\|-\|R15	did you not have any problems installing programs?	23:27
C\|-\|R15	looking to put some of the kids stuff from edubuntu	23:27
Odd-rationale	although, last I heard is that they are trying to push it into the official repos :)	23:27
MiKa\|	i never had problems	23:27
C\|-\|R15	that would be nice....an official one	23:27
Odd-rationale	C\|-\|R15: no, everything installed fined.	23:27
MiKa\|	im using the sources list taken from: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Gutsy#How_to_add_extra_repositories	23:28
HACKhalo2	i beleive it's the update to 8.04 that screwing everything up	23:28
C\|-\|R15	nice one	23:28
Odd-rationale	!slow \| MiKa\|	23:28
ubotu	MiKa\|: The Ubuntu repositories and ISO mirrors are currently under heavy load due to the release of the latest edition. Please consider using !torrents to download ISO images, and be patient with APT updates.	23:28
KillerOrca	is anyone using a > 1 Ghz processor?	23:28
MiKa\|	oh thx	23:29
MiKa\|	no wonder	23:29
C\|-\|R15	just in two minds between fluxbuntu or xubuntu with lxde	23:29
Odd-rationale	MiKa\|: yeah. i'm using the easynews.com mirror. it works fine	23:29
HACKhalo2	MiKa -- i had to download and manually install the new linux core	23:29
MiKa\|	easynews? can i add that to the sources list?	23:29
Odd-rationale	MiKa\|: You can change you mirror in Applications --> system -- Software sources...	23:30
C\|-\|R15	lxde seems to have good reviews	23:30
C\|-\|R15	and using Xubuntu as base more 'official' ubuntu	23:30
* HACKhalo2 adds easynews to the sources list		23:30
Odd-rationale	MiKa\|: No. you don't need to edit your sourcelist manually. just select it your choice server from the list.	23:31
Odd-rationale	MiKa\|: Although I backup my sources.lst file first.	23:31
MiKa\|	thankx a lot	23:31
Odd-rationale	MiKa\|: sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.lst /etc/apt/sources.lst.bak	23:31
HACKhalo2	whats the ATP for easynews? http://www.easynews.com?	23:31
Odd-rationale	HACKhalo2: go to Applications --> system --> software sources and choose mirror.easynews.com for your mirror	23:32
HACKhalo2	oh	23:32
Odd-rationale	HACKhalo2: you don't need to edit your source.lst manually	23:33
HACKhalo2	ok	23:33
HACKhalo2	i see	23:33
Odd-rationale	or you can run the "choose best server" thing...	23:33
HACKhalo2	which is fail?	23:34
Odd-rationale	?	23:34
KillerOrca	so no one uses this with a > 1 Ghz processor?	23:34
HACKhalo2	i don't think so KillerOrca	23:34
KillerOrca	damn	23:34
HACKhalo2	what type of computer do you have?	23:35
KillerOrca	old Compaq P3 700 Mhz	23:35
* HACKhalo2 whisles		23:36
HACKhalo2	can you overclock the processor?	23:36
KillerOrca	I am not sure how to	23:37
KillerOrca	I alrady have xubuntu installed	23:37
HACKhalo2	google it	23:37
KillerOrca	but the graphical part is soooo slow	23:37
KillerOrca	was wondering if it was common	23:37
HACKhalo2	you should be able to within the BIOS settings	23:37
MiKa\|	noticed the official site's changes list for 8.04 from 7.10... and there's not much difference..	23:38
MiKa\|	i mean, most of the things are available in 7.10?	23:39
HACKhalo2	no	23:39
C\|-\|R15	I'm looking for something for around 700Mhz also.....thinking of Lxde on top of xubuntu. Xubuntu runs slow??? how much ram do you have	23:40
PsynoKhi0	KillerOrca: what do you mean by slow?	23:40
PsynoKhi0	KillerOrca: I have a test machine with Xubuntu on it, K6-2 500 MHz, 128 MB RAM, and it's pretty smooth	23:41
KillerOrca	it is pretty much impossible to use with intense applications like aureus	23:41
KillerOrca	*azureus	23:41
KillerOrca	it has 128 RAM also	23:41
PsynoKhi0	KillerOrca: ah no wonder	23:41
PsynoKhi0	azureus is pretty heavy from my own experience	23:41
HACKhalo2	oh	23:42
HACKhalo2	RAM will kick your butt	23:42
HACKhalo2	upgrade to at least 256 MB of RAM	23:42
KillerOrca	even w/out azureus it is slow	23:42
PsynoKhi0	well please define slow :P	23:42
KillerOrca	I have two terminal windows open	23:42
KillerOrca	moving them across the screen takes a good 10 seconds to redraw	23:42
PsynoKhi0	takes long to start apps? dragging windows is sluggish?	23:42
KillerOrca	yes to both	23:42
PsynoKhi0	KillerOrca: could be your video drivers not being properly configured	23:43
PsynoKhi0	what video card are you using?	23:43
KillerOrca	integrated one	23:43
KillerOrca	not even sure of the model	23:43
PsynoKhi0	hmm	23:43
KillerOrca	I thought the problem might be the processor though	23:44
PsynoKhi0	could you paste your xorg.conf over at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org please?	23:44
KillerOrca	whenever I move a window or open a program usage spike to 100 on the panel	23:44
KillerOrca	where is this xorg.conf located?	23:46
PsynoKhi0	under /etc/X11	23:46
PsynoKhi0	in one of your terminal, type "mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf"	23:47
PsynoKhi0	case sensitive	23:47
PsynoKhi0	also please add the output of "lspci" in the pastebin	23:47
Arky44	Hello all. Does anyone have any recommendations for a very lightweight browser for XFCE (not too many bells and whistles, just the internet)?	23:47
PsynoKhi0	Arky44: hmm Dillo but it's not supported anymore I think	23:48
TheSheep	w3m, isntalled by defult	23:49
TheSheep	default	23:49
TheSheep	even supports mouse (!)	23:50
albuntu	araulavi, i think it was you that helped me with this same problem about a week ago; now that i upgraded to hardy, it's baaaaaAAAAAAAaaaacccckk! when i try to open a terminal, i get an (x?) crash. you told me how to change the default depth in xorg to 16, and that solved the prob. now i forgot how :(	23:50
TheSheep	albuntu: jus edit it and search for a line that says defaultdepth 24	23:51
KillerOrca	that terminal problem is still there?	23:52
KillerOrca	god	23:52
KillerOrca	also what format psynoKhi0?	23:52
KillerOrca	err syntax	23:52
albuntu	thesheep, i don't know how to get into it, we went into a terminal by some shortcut, also i don't know the EZACKT command line, can you help?	23:53
KillerOrca	alt-f2	23:53
KillerOrca	then type xterm	23:53
PsynoKhi0	KillerOrca: usually I don't bother with that field =)	23:53
KillerOrca	then click run	23:53
TheSheep	albuntu: sudo mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf	23:54
albuntu	thesheep, we went in by alt/control/f(somenumber) or somehow	23:54
TheSheep	alt+f2	23:54
KillerOrca	f2	23:54
TheSheep	should be enough	23:54
KillerOrca	alright I posted them	23:54
KillerOrca	I think	23:54
TheSheep	you can switch to text mode with alt+ctrl+f1,2,3, etc.	23:54
TheSheep	then use nano instead of mousepad for editing	23:55
albuntu	thesheep, and the cli for nano the xorg?	23:55
KillerOrca	http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64442/	23:55
TheSheep	sudo mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf	23:55
TheSheep	sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf	23:55
Odd-rationale	gksudo mousepad ...	23:57
PsynoKhi0	KillerOrca: ok your gfx chipset is properly detected it seems	23:57
albuntu	thesheep, i don't see nano in my menus, is it on my system nonetheless?	23:57
PsynoKhi0	KillerOrca: have you enabled compositing?	23:58
KillerOrca	nooooo, would not dream of it the way this is going	23:58
PsynoKhi0	KillerOrca: ok one thing you could try, is to have DefaultDepth set to 16 instead of 2	23:59
PsynoKhi0	24*	23:59
albuntu	Odd-rationale: you talkin to me? i never understood the difference between sudo and gksudo, whenever anyone helps me they tell me sudo	23:59
quittt	hello	23:59

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