[00:00] <mefisto__> running xev will tell what is really happening perhaps
[00:00] <pasi> mefisto__, single click on everything results as double click. If I click for example firefox button on my kbar it opens two firefox windows
[00:02] <Xauth> that is odd
[00:02] <sven_oostenbrink> !aptfix
[00:02] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[00:02] <pasi> great. now it works. Thanks again robotgeek :-)
[00:02] <sven_oostenbrink> If the upgrade process died during the installation process.. Can I continue it with  dpkg --configure -a ?
[00:03] <sven_oostenbrink> upgrade process = upgrading from 7.10 to 8.04
[00:04] <mefisto__> pasi: how did you fix it?
[00:04] <Xauth> dude download from sweden servers ... I guess no one ever tried ... yesterday I downladed 8.04 at 600kb
[00:04] <Xauth> im running it
[00:04] <sven_oostenbrink> Xauth> I downloaded it (3.2GB) at an average of 10KB :(::::::::
[00:04] <pasi> mefisto__, I used a xorg conf section provided in the bug report robotgeek pointed out
[00:05] <sven_oostenbrink> Anyway.. Anyone on fixing a hanging upgrade with dpkg --configure -a ?
[00:05] <sven_oostenbrink> Because, its hanging here.. Looks like I should have a request window where I have to select yes or no but.. there is no window.. and the upgrade window is not responsive..
[00:06] <pasi> Great. Now I can start enjoying my brand new kubuntu version. Huge thanks to kubuntu team for another release!
[00:06] <sven_oostenbrink> I'd like to be like Pasi.... But how can I fix my upgrade? :(
[00:06] <sven_oostenbrink> Im at 75%
[00:07] <mefisto__> sven_oostenbrink: can you restart the upgrade from adept?
[00:07] <replman> Hi!
[00:08] <Algyz> !hi | replman
[00:08] <ubotu> replman: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[00:08] <replman> Does anyone know how to save the session in kde4?
[00:11] <ubuntu_> hey there can anyone help me with the command line to upgrade the dist to 8.04 (with adept) (the fetch update just giving me the 7 although i allready have it)
[00:11] <replman> another thing is: I installed kubuntu 8.04, 32bit from CD, but it seems there is no kde-help installed.
[00:12] <replman> if i run K -> Programs -> Help i only get an empty helpcenter :-(
[00:14] <mefisto__> replman: kde4 is still quite new. maybe the help files don't exist yet? someone in #kubuntu-kde4 might know more
[00:14] <edguy7> hey there can anyone help me with the command line to upgrade the dist to 8.04 (with adept) (the fetch update just giving me the 7 although i allready have it) ? what is the command line for adept?
[00:15] <replman> edguy7: i think it's apt-get dist-upgrade
[00:15] <rain> hi
[00:15] <mefisto__> edguy7: no it's do-release-upgrade
[00:15] <rain> do anyone know where i can change brightness?
[00:16] <mefisto__> dist-upgrade is discouraged
[00:16] <edguy7> for the adept? i think that's for the console and because i'm using default hebrew languge it's working so well..
[00:16] <mefisto__> edguy7: for adept it's "kdesu adept_manager"
[00:17] <edguy7> that's the usual manger but for dist upgrade?
[00:17] <rain> yesterday display was ok but today its terrible  and now i need to know how to change brightness
[00:17] <edguy7> i remember that the command was is the kubuntu.org guide but they changed it to fetch update and that's not working..
[00:18] <mefisto__> I think you add --dist-upgrade to the end
[00:18] <replman> does anyone know what package must be installed to get the kde-help?
[00:18] <nosrednaekim> edguy7: what you can do is change all gutsys to hardys in /etc/atp/sources.list and then run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"
[00:18] <nosrednaekim> s/upgrade/dist-upgrade
[00:19] <sven_oostenbrink> Could anybody please tell me if I can fix (finish) an 7.10 > 8.04 upgrade with dpkg --configure -a  if the upgrade tool hangs?
[00:19] <sven_oostenbrink> My upgrade tool should now show me a request window which I HAVE to answer, but I can't, because the window with yes / no / show diff isn't there.. so its stuck
[00:20] <sven_oostenbrink> My upgrade tool should now show me a request window which I HAVE to answer, but I can't, because the window with yes / no / show diff isn't there.. so its stuck
[00:20] <sven_oostenbrink>  The only way I see how i can fix this is to kill the upgrade tool and to finish it another way (its at 75%)
[00:20] <sven_oostenbrink> But if I kill the upgrade tool.. How can I finish my upgrade?
[00:20] <edguy7> well... i'll try that thank's but if i'm not mistaking the command was wkdesu "adep_manager .." and something with deb
[00:20] <nosrednaekim> sven_oostenbrink: its simple
[00:21] <rain> How to changa brightness?
[00:21] <nosrednaekim> sven_oostenbrink: after you kill it, run "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[00:21] <sven_oostenbrink> nosrednaekim> and just resume the upgrade?
[00:21] <rain> DO ANYONE know it?
[00:21] <sven_oostenbrink> I mean, it already downloaded all packages, and it was already installing so...
[00:21] <nosrednaekim> sven_oostenbrink: thats what that does....
[00:21] <mefisto__> nosrednaekim: I did exactly that yesterday and it screwed things up tremendously
[00:21] <sven_oostenbrink> nosrednaekim> it will just continue, really??
[00:21] <nosrednaekim> mefisto__: really? I've never see it mess up that bad
[00:21] <nosrednaekim> sven_oostenbrink: yeah... I think it should be fine
[00:22] <nosrednaekim> better than doin nothin ;)
[00:22] <sven_oostenbrink> its just that.. Im a weeee bit scared here to get stuck with a braindamaged laptop
[00:22] <mefisto__> nosrednaekim: it screwed up dependencies (kdecore-data didn't install, and other problems)
[00:22] <nosrednaekim> mefisto__: did you run dist-upgrade or just plain upgrade?
[00:22] <sven_oostenbrink> nosrednaekim> Im already in the twilight zone here anyway.. ctrl-alt-esc is dead already, just so is alt-tab, f12, f1, f2, etc..
[00:23] <nosrednaekim> hehe
[00:23] <nosrednaekim> better hurry up :)
[00:23] <mefisto__> nosrednaekim: dist-upgrade. eventually I got it working, but it was a pain
[00:23] <sven_oostenbrink> boom
[00:23] <sven_oostenbrink> killed the upgrade tool.. lets start over ..
[00:24] <nosrednaekim> you may have to run this command
[00:24] <nosrednaekim> !aptfix
[00:24] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[00:25] <sven_oostenbrink> nosrednaekim> yeah, got that command as a script here already since I encountered that problem like @(#$* times..
[00:25] <sven_oostenbrink> nosrednaekim> anyway,  the aptfix won't interfere in hte upgrade process?
[00:25] <nosrednaekim> XD
[00:26] <sven_oostenbrink> nosrednaekim> looks like the aptfix will already fiinish the upgrade here
[00:27] <nosrednaekim> ah yes... the dpkg --configure -a
[00:27] <mefisto__> sven_oostenbrink: leave out the dpkg part
[00:27] <sven_oostenbrink> mefisto__> too late for that one..
[00:27] <sven_oostenbrink> mefisto__> should I abort then?
[00:28] <sven_oostenbrink> mefisto__>  nosrednaekim> and continue with the upgrade tool?
[00:28] <mefisto__> sven_oostenbrink: I would let dpkg finish, otherwise things might get worse
[00:28] <sven_oostenbrink> Because the dpkg --configure -a is running like wind here..
[00:29] <nosrednaekim> let it go
[00:29]  * sven_oostenbrink is praying to the mighty penguin here to be mercyful...
[00:29] <rain> Can any one help me or not , i have so easy question and some one should answer it, My question is" How to change brightness and/or which *.conf file i should edit for it"
[00:30] <rickey> i see the download severs are back up and running today
[00:30] <sven_oostenbrink> rain> good morning to you to..  IIRC there is a control in the display settings in KDE for that... you can correct gamma and brightness
[00:30] <mefisto__> rain: in systemsettings > display you can adjust gamma, or in /etc/X11/xorg.conf there is a gamma setting
[00:30] <Odd-rationale> rain: you should be able to adjust the brightness in the powermanager that should be in your tray
[00:30] <sven_oostenbrink> rain> at least in KDE3.. KDE4 is missing A LOT of those things
[00:31] <sven_oostenbrink> rain> well there you go... like 3 - 4 answers.. :)
[00:31] <Odd-rationale> rain: yeah, kde3 i meant...
[00:31] <Odd-rationale> also, some of it (at least on mine) is adjusted in the bios settings
[00:32] <rain> what is powermanager
[00:32] <Odd-rationale> rain: kde3 or 4
[00:32] <Odd-rationale> ?
[00:32] <rain> 3
[00:32] <sven_oostenbrink> rain> that which manages your power settings...
[00:32] <Odd-rationale> rain: do alt f2 and type in
[00:33] <Odd-rationale> guidance-power-manager
[00:33] <marx2k> !torrents
[00:33] <ubotu> Kubuntu Hardy Heron (8.04) torrents can be obtained at http://se.cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/8.04/release/ (KDE 3.5.9) or http://se.cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/releases/8.04/release/ (KDE 4.0.3)
[00:33] <nosrednaekim> rain: if you have a desktop, the powermanager will not work
[00:33] <rain> nothing happens
[00:33] <mefisto__> rain: that's for laptops only
[00:33] <Odd-rationale> nosrednaekim: really? didn't know that...
[00:34] <rain> rain@rain:~$ guidance-power-manager
[00:34] <rain> rain@rain:~$ No battery found.
[00:34] <rain> This is not a laptop, quitting ...
[00:34] <rain> rain@rain:~$
[00:34] <poseidon> How do I run the nvidia settings program as a root user?
[00:34] <sven_oostenbrink> nosrednaekim> and what if you want to manage your harddrive spin down times, etc on your desktop then?
[00:34] <marx2k> Why are the amd64 torrents for Kubuntu only DVD?
[00:34] <poseidon> I try to save my settings to the x configuration file, but it gives me a permission denied
[00:34] <nosrednaekim> rain: adjust the gamma... its the easist way
[00:34] <rain> how i do if i dont have laptop?
[00:34] <nosrednaekim> sven_oostenbrink: use kpowermanager, guidance doesn't do that anyway
[00:35] <nosrednaekim> rain: in system settings
[00:35] <sven_oostenbrink> nosrednaekim> ohw, I actually was talking about kpowermanager.. :P
[00:35] <mefisto__> poseidon: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf      or      kdesu kwrite /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:36] <rain> gamma settings is not ing xorg.conf
[00:36] <rain> i am using 8.04
[00:37] <nosrednaekim> rain: doesn't your monitor have a britness adjustment?
[00:37] <rickey> well i am not here to gripe tonigth , the download severs are back up and i got everthing squared away
[00:37] <rickey>  happy am i
[00:37] <mefisto__> rain: you can add "Gamma 1.0" in your Monitor section. Highter gamma numbers are brighter
[00:37] <rain> in kcontrol -> monitor i couldnt find brightness , there was only gamma
[00:38] <poseidon> mefisto__, I need to get nvidia-settings to write to it so I can set up dual screens.  I tried kdesu nvidia-settings but it say "timestamp to far in the future.
[00:38] <nosrednaekim> rain: adjust all of the gamma's down and thats the same as brightness
[00:38] <rain> Then i can add Brightness 1.0 too?
[00:39] <rain> gamma and brightness are different items for me
[00:39] <trotek> i can upgrade a gutsy installation with the hardy dvd, right?
[00:39] <rain> how u make  ur messages in red color?
[00:39] <mefisto__> poseidon: is your date and time set correctly?
[00:40] <poseidon> mefisto__, I just changed my time
[00:40] <Odd-rationale> just put the person's nick in you line and it will appear highlighted in the other's client
[00:40] <genii> rain: When your name is in a message it turns red to let you know. If you put your own name in a message it won't appear red to you however
[00:40] <Odd-rationale> poseidon: wait until you catch up with the time... ;)
[00:42] <rain> so it type"Name:<MESSAGE>" ?
[00:42] <rain> *I
[00:42] <nosrednaekim> !tab
[00:42] <ubotu> You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[00:42] <chrisrogers> i need help with a problem anybody
[00:42] <nosrednaekim> chrisrogers: :)
[00:42] <chrisrogers> hey nosrednaekim
[00:42] <chrisrogers> nosrednaekim:
[00:43] <nosrednaekim> same problem?
[00:43] <chrisrogers> nosrednaekim: i figured out what my problem was
[00:43] <nosrednaekim> ooh really?
[00:43] <chrisrogers> nosrednaekim: yea but i can't fix it
[00:43] <chrisrogers> nosrednaekim: it's my fglrx driver
[00:43] <rain> is kubuntu 8.04 more crap than 7.10 ?
[00:43] <ImLiz> I'm having an issue with a tar.gz file... I did ./configure and make, but on su comes up with the error "authentication failure". Can I do sudo make install instead????
[00:44] <chrisrogers> nosrednaekim: when i reinstalled Kubuntu and installed the fglrx driver it did it again, so i uninstalled it and it's working fine now, but i can't enable compiz without it
[00:44] <chrisrogers> nosrednaekim: what am i to do?
[00:44] <nosrednaekim> chrisrogers: what graphics card?
[00:44] <nosrednaekim> chrisrogers: choose what you want :P
[00:44] <chrisrogers> nosrednaekim: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2600
[00:45] <chrisrogers> nosrednaekim: this sux mounds
[00:45] <nosrednaekim> ah... one... of... them
[00:45] <ImLiz> can anyone help???
[00:45] <chrisrogers> nosrednaekim: i like my video card
[00:45] <nosrednaekim> yeah.. I like them too... but the support in the free driver is lacking
[00:46] <chrisrogers> nosrednaekim: free driver? is there one you pay for, at this rate, i'll try anything
can i write about  brightness inxorg.conf
[00:47] <nosrednaekim> I mean, Open-source
[00:47] <nosrednaekim> rain: not sure... try "man xorg.conf"
[00:47] <halcyonCorsair> how can i get the UUID for a certain disk i want to mount?
[00:49] <mefisto__> halcyonCorsair: sudo vol_id /dev/sda1  or whatever device
[00:49] <chrisrogers> any suggestions anybody?
[00:49] <chrisrogers> is there another ati driver out there other than fglrx?
[00:50] <Eruaran> the hd2600 is supported by the radeonhd driver
[00:50] <chrisrogers> how do i find it
[00:50] <chrisrogers> Eruaran: ?
[00:50] <Eruaran> just a sec
[00:50] <chrisrogers> Eruaran: ok
[00:51] <chrisrogers> Eruaran: i think i found it
[00:51] <Eruaran> http://tuxenclave.wordpress.com/2007/11/30/radeonhd-video-driver-100-released/
[00:51] <Eruaran> I first saw it there
[00:51] <Eruaran> ok
[00:53] <chrisrogers> cross your fingers you guys
 Should it look like Section "Monitor"
[00:54] <rain> 	Identifier	"Configured Monitor"
[00:54] <rain> "Gamma 1.0"
[00:54] <rain> EndSection
[00:54] <nosrednaekim> IDK... never done it
[00:55] <sven_oostenbrink> woohoo.. my upgrade finished...
[00:55] <mefisto__> rain: that's right. but there is normally other stuff in the monitor section of course
[00:55] <sven_oostenbrink> now, restart and lets see if it will start at all...
 should it look like this Section "Monitor"	Identifier	"Configured Monitor""Gamma 1.0"EndSection
[00:55] <tekteen> anyone know if the servers are going faster?
[00:55] <rain> sorry if this message was double
[00:56] <rain> kk
[00:56] <monolith> Is it possible to upgrade to 8.04-KDE4 from a 7.10 install? I mean, is there a spesific way to do it or can I just upgrade to 8.04 then install the KDE4 packages?
[00:56] <chrisrogers> Eruaran: how do i install it?
[00:57] <mefisto__> rain: but you can change that at systemsettings > display > colour and gamma tab.  it's the same setting that is changing
[00:57] <rain> then i change gamma with brightness and see what happens
[00:57] <chrisrogers> Eruaran: it's a tar.bz2
[00:57] <rain> i dont need changa gamma
[00:57] <Eruaran> chrisrogers: cool
[00:57] <tekteen> monolith: install kubuntu-kde4 package
[00:57] <rain> i need changa brightness
[00:57] <Eruaran> chrisrogers: is it on your desktop ?
[00:57] <chrisrogers> Eruaran: yep
[00:58] <ImLiz> has anyone installed firefox 2 in kubuntu????
[00:58] <Eruaran> chrisrogers: you should be able to right click and use kubuntu's package tool
[00:58] <Eruaran> chrisrogers: otherwise there should be instructions on the site you got it from
[00:58] <chrisrogers> Eruaran: ok that will let me extract it, but how do i install it
[00:58] <mefisto__> rain: doesn't increasing gamma make things brighter?
[00:58] <Eruaran> ok
[00:59] <Eruaran> once its extracted you probably have to run the shell script
[00:59] <rain> i have that 8.04  bog.. brightness changed  from 100% to40%
[00:59] <chrisrogers> ok done
[00:59] <chrisrogers> hey odd
[01:00] <Odd-rationale> hey!
[01:00] <rain> if u set up windows drivers then you chose both gamma and brightness
[01:00] <monolith> tekteen: So just normal upgrade then install that?
[01:00] <Odd-rationale> chrisrogers: i was trying to ssh and xfce4-session. crashed my xserver...
[01:00] <poseidon> In the nvidia settings manager, what is Xinerama?
[01:00] <tekteen> monolith: yep
[01:00] <monolith> tekteen: Thanks! =)
[01:00] <tekteen> monolith: then you will have both
[01:01] <chrisrogers> Odd-rationale:  yikes, btw it was fglrx that screwed my system up, so i got "radeonhd" drivers and i'm trying to install them now
[01:01] <chrisrogers> Odd-rationale: but i don't know how to install a tar.bz2
[01:01] <Devourer> How come my desktop doesn't look like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Kubuntu_8.04_with_KDE_4.png ?
[01:01] <Eruaran> chrisrogers: they usually have a shell script to run in those kind of things... pop open the konsole, cd to Desktop/whateverthefoldernameis and go - sudo sh whatevertheshellfilenameis
[01:01] <Odd-rationale> !compile
[01:01] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[01:01] <monolith> tekteen: Good. =)
[01:02] <Eruaran> It should only take a few seconds
[01:02] <Eruaran> When its done you'll have to restart x
[01:03] <chrisrogers> what does a shell script look like?
[01:04] <Eruaran> chrisrogers: .sh
[01:04] <chrisrogers> Eruaran: ok thanks
[01:04] <Eruaran> :)
[01:04] <Eruaran> otherwise you can open the folder in dolphin and mouse over it to see what kind of filetype it is
[01:05] <tsaman> asked too
[01:05] <chrisrogers> no input file selected
[01:05] <Eruaran> chrisrogers: check spelling ;)
[01:05] <tsaman> where tree view mode in dolphin
[01:05] <Devourer> I just upgraded from 7.10 to 8.04... and now I don't think my sound works... help?
[01:06] <chrisrogers> chrisrogers@ubuntu:~/Desktop/xf86-video-radeonhd-1.2.0$ sudo sh install-sh
[01:06] <chrisrogers> install-sh: no input file specified.
[01:06] <wilson> Kubuntu 8.04 - powermanager puts my laptop into hibernate on startup mistaking the lid as being closed.. anyone experience same?
[01:06] <Eruaran> chrisrogers: hmm ok
[01:06] <Eruaran> oh lol
[01:06] <chrisrogers> what?
[01:07] <mefisto__> tsaman: dolphin doesn't have a tree view
[01:07] <Eruaran> chrisrogers: do this: sudo sh xf86-video-radeonhd-1.2.0
[01:08] <chrisrogers> in the same folder?
[01:08] <Eruaran> yes
[01:08] <alexidoia> hi, I guess its a common report when upgrading, a problem with host not resolved appears for each sudo attempt, this is easily solve with gksudo gedit /etc/hosts but the problem is that I have a (gksudo6294)Gtk-Warning** Cannot open display, what can I do ?
[01:08] <chrisrogers> sh: Can't open xf86-video-radeonhd-1.2.0
[01:08] <tsaman> oooh, thanks mefisto__
[01:09] <Eruaran> chrisrogers: oh does it have that $ on the end of the filename ?
[01:09] <chrisrogers> Eruaran:
[01:09] <chrisrogers> Eruaran: yep
[01:09] <Eruaran> that doesn't look right
[01:09] <Eruaran> oh ok
[01:09] <Eruaran> my bad
[01:09] <chrisrogers> do i need to backup one folder?
[01:10] <Eruaran> no
[01:10] <Eruaran> chrisrogers: do this: sudo sh xf86-video-radeonhd-1.2.0$
[01:10] <chrisrogers> no dice
[01:10] <chrisrogers> same thing
[01:10] <Eruaran> hmm
[01:10] <chrisrogers> this is getting on my nerves
[01:10] <mefisto__> alexidoia: gksudo won't work either if sudo is not working. You have to boot in recovery mode, which will give you root access to everything in a terminal
[01:10] <chrisrogers> brb my g/f is bitching at me to go get food
[01:11] <Eruaran> chrisrogers: don't worry, you have the driver so we can sort it out
[01:11] <chrisrogers> sorry for the cuss
[01:11] <Devourer> No one likes my problems... :'(
[01:11] <alexidoia> mefisto__: ok that is from the bios ?how to reboot in recue mode ?
[01:11] <Eruaran> Devourer: check sound is not muted ?
[01:11] <Devourer> Eruaran, I have, and it's not.
[01:11] <Eruaran> ok
[01:12] <mefisto__> alexidoia: the grub menu that lists boot options. just choose the second one, which should have (recovery mode) after it
[01:12] <Devourer> Eruaran, how do I get KMix to select ALSA? :o
[01:12] <Odd-rationale> Devourer: tried a "speaker-test" in terminal?
[01:12] <Devourer> Odd-rationale, nope.
[01:12] <alexidoia> mefisto__: ok but how do I get to that menu ?>
[01:12] <Devourer> Odd-rationale, let me do that.
[01:12] <wilson> how do i turn off powermanager? it's putting my laptop into hibernate on startup?
[01:12] <Eruaran> Devourer: system settings > sound system
[01:13] <mefisto__> alexidoia: it should appear before your computer starts booting
[01:13] <alexidoia> mefisto__: does not for sure
[01:13] <Devourer> Eruaran, I don't see system settings.
[01:14] <Eruaran> Am I advising wrongly that all you need to do to start up an install shell script is : sudo sh ?
[01:14] <Eruaran> anyone ?
[01:14] <Devourer> Time per period = 2.986725
[01:14] <Devourer>  0 - Front Left
[01:14] <Devourer> Odd-rationale, it's printing that out.
[01:14] <Odd-rationale> Devourer: hear anything?
[01:14] <Eruaran> Devourer: kmenu > system settings
[01:14] <Devourer> Odd-rationale, nope.
[01:14] <Odd-rationale> hmm
[01:14] <Odd-rationale> ctrl+c to stop
[01:15] <Mason059> Hi all.  OK if I ask a question?
[01:15] <Devourer> Eruaran, oh, I see it.
[01:15] <mefisto__> alexidoia: how many seconds is timeout set to when you do this: cat /boot/grub/menu.lst | grep timeout
[01:16] <Devourer> Eruaran,  I don't see anything useful in  sound settings.
[01:16] <Devourer> Eruaran, or rather sound system.
[01:16] <Eruaran> Devourer: ok... I'm not an expert but sometimes it helps
[01:16] <Mason059> Anyone know which kernel is best to run on a duocore processor?  I'm running generic, but get arbitrary hangs.  I'm thinking I might be better off with an X64 or smp kernel
[01:17] <Devourer> Odd-rationale, any other ideas?
[01:17] <Odd-rationale> Devourer: checked the alsa-mixer that nothing is muted?
[01:18] <Devourer> Odd-rationale, how? Type alsa-mixer into the terminal?
[01:18] <Odd-rationale> yep
[01:18] <chrisrogers> ok, back for just a second
[01:18] <Devourer> devo@devo-desktop:~$ alsa-mixer
[01:18] <Devourer> bash: alsa-mixer: command not found
[01:18] <mefisto__> no hyphen, just alsamixer
[01:18] <Devourer> Oh.
[01:18] <nosrednaekim> Devourer: alsamixer
[01:19] <Eruaran> chrisrogers: is there a .run file ?
[01:19] <Odd-rationale> sorry :/
[01:19] <chrisrogers> i'll check
[01:19] <Devourer> Odd-rationale, np. :D
[01:19] <Devourer> Odd-rationale, how do I change sound levels?
[01:19] <chrisrogers> nope
[01:19] <Eruaran> ok
[01:19] <Eruaran> :(
[01:20] <chrisrogers> what do i do :(
[01:20] <Odd-rationale> Devourer: press m to mute/unmute and use the arrow to addjust level and lft/right to change channels
[01:20] <chrisrogers> hold on i may be an idiot
[01:20] <Eruaran> chrisrogers: can you point me to where you got it from, I'll dl it so I can see whats in it
[01:20] <chrisrogers> that link you gave me
[01:20] <Eruaran> oh ok
[01:21] <chrisrogers> http://linux.softpedia.com/progDownload/RadeonHD-Video-Driver-Download-32962.html
[01:21] <chrisrogers> but here just in case, direct download link
[01:21] <Devourer> Odd-rationale, they are all set to 0...
[01:21] <Odd-rationale> Devourer: hmm
[01:22] <Odd-rationale> Devourer: movethe master, master m and pcm up
[01:22] <Eruaran> chrisrogers: install instructions are in the readme file ;)
[01:22] <Devourer> Odd-rationale, still no sound. :|
[01:23] <chrisrogers> Eruaran: i couldn't figure that out
[01:23] <Odd-rationale> hmm. dunno.
[01:23] <Eruaran> chrisrogers: its one where you have to do a make, make install ...
[01:23] <Odd-rationale> gtg eat brb
[01:23] <chrisrogers> yea and it says no makefile
[01:23] <Eruaran> chrisrogers: ok
[01:23] <Devourer> Odd-rationale, don't leave me.
[01:23] <Devourer> Odd-rationale, I don't want to be alone.
[01:23] <Odd-rationale> i'm hungry...
[01:24] <Devourer> Odd-rationale, well, hurry up. :P
[01:24] <chrisrogers> hold on maybe i'm an idiot
[01:24] <mefisto__> Devourer: do you have more than one soundcard?
[01:24] <Devourer> mefisto__, no. I'm am fairly sure I only have 1.
[01:24] <Nole> can someone tell me how to change the resolution on kubuntu?
[01:24] <chrisrogers> i don't have automake installed
[01:24] <Eruaran> chrisrogers: in konsole make sure youre in /home/yourhomefolder/Desktop/xf86...
[01:25] <chrisrogers> yep i'm there
[01:25] <mefisto__> Devourer: type asoundconf list
[01:25] <Devourer> mefisto__, it returns Intel.
[01:25] <Eruaran> sudo ./autogen.sh
[01:27] <chrisrogers> ./autogen.sh: command not found
[01:27] <mefisto__> Devourer: if you've got the levels up in alsamixer and still no sound, try to restart sound with: sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
[01:27] <chrisrogers> wtf guys
[01:27] <Eruaran> hmm
[01:27] <chrisrogers> i an't get this shyt to work
[01:27] <chrisrogers> oh wait
[01:28] <Nole> how do i change resolution
[01:28] <arcticpenguin380> why is kubuntu 8.04 more slow than 7.10?
[01:28] <Devourer> mefisto__, I restarted it and I'm still not getting any sound.
[01:28] <wilson> Can someone help me -- Powermanager is putting my laptop into hibernate mode on startup. I cann't use my computer other than safemode.
[01:28] <PseudoOne> How can I find my KDE version? :)
[01:29] <mefisto__> PseudoOne: any kde app will tell you in help menu "About KDE"
[01:29] <Eruaran> PseudoOne: in any kde app you can click the help menu and click 'about kde'
[01:30] <PseudoOne> ha thanks, found it quickly here Konversation
[01:30] <Devourer> Ooo... I'm still using 3.5... How can I use 4?
[01:30] <chrisrogers> i did sudo ./configure and it did something
[01:30] <Devourer> KDE that is.
[01:30] <Eruaran> chrisrogers: ah ok
[01:30] <chrisrogers> but i don't know what
[01:30] <chrisrogers> lol
[01:30] <Eruaran> chrisrogers: thats ok
[01:31] <chrisrogers> did it install it?
[01:31] <Eruaran> chrisrogers: not yet but its a step
[01:31] <chrisrogers> lol
[01:31] <chrisrogers> why does the readme not ever have the right stuff
[01:31] <Eruaran> dunno
[01:32] <chrisrogers> brb gotta pick up the food i ordered
[01:32] <Eruaran> k
[01:32] <Devourer> mefisto__, I am sad.
[01:32] <chrisrogers> go ahead and type what you figure out and i'll try it when i get back
[01:32] <PseudoOne> Devourer, you would install the packages for KDE4 (core) and in the login menu you can select a KDE session, I found http://www.fsckin.com/2007/09/29/i-dont-think-were-in-kansas-anymore-how-to-install-kde-4-beta-2-on-ubuntu-gutsy-gibbon-beta-710/ helpful :)
[01:32] <PseudoOne> should've used tinyurl :<
[01:32] <Devourer> PseudoOne, wouldn't upgrading from 7.10 to 8.04 automatically install KDE4? :(
[01:32] <mefisto__> Devourer: is this a laptop?
[01:32] <Devourer> mefisto__, nope.
[01:33] <nosrednaekim> Devourer: if you are on 8.04, you can just run "sudoa apt-get install kubuntu-kde4-desktop"
[01:33] <PseudoOne> not necessarily, I got KDE 3 on my Hardy distro :<
[01:33] <mefisto__> Devourer: and you've got speaker plugged in correctly?
[01:34] <wilson> quit
[01:34] <Devourer> mefisto__, yes.
[01:34] <Devourer> nosrednaekim, is it sudoa or sudo?
[01:35] <mefisto__> Devourer: how are you testing sound?
[01:35] <Devourer> mefisto__, opening a mp3 with VLC and going to Youtube with FireFox.
[01:35] <Devourer> mefisto__, BTW, FireFox upgraded to this newer version and now my Google Toolbar doesn't work. :'(
[01:36] <Devourer> mefisto__, I also did that sound test thing in the terminal.
[01:37] <mefisto__> Devourer: ff3 ?
[01:37] <goofyptr> hi all
[01:37] <Devourer> mefisto__, yeah.
[01:38] <Devourer> mefisto__, it's 3.0b5.
[01:40] <arcticpenguin380> will 320MB run kubuntu 8.04?
[01:40] <ImLiz> anyone know how to install firefox 2  on kubuntu???
[01:40] <nosrednaekim> Devourer: sudo of course ;)
[01:40] <will00> does anyone know why a working computer would give a grub error 15 after unplugging and replugging each hard drive?
[01:40] <nosrednaekim> arcticpenguin380: sure
[01:40] <Devourer> nosrednaekim, haha, yeah.
[01:40] <nosrednaekim> will00: sure you put the cables back in the right Hard drives
[01:41] <will00> yes i am
[01:41] <nosrednaekim> did you boot the computer between plugs and unplugs?
[01:41] <will00> yes but i booted a live cd
[01:41] <nosrednaekim> ah.. there you go... teh BIOS probably remapped the drives
[01:42] <will00> so how do i fix this?
[01:42] <nosrednaekim> you need to go in and edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst and swap drive numbers
[01:42] <nosrednaekim> you can do that from a liveCD
[01:42] <will00> im guessing i would have to chroot?
[01:42] <nosrednaekim> nope... no Chroot, just edit the file
[01:43] <will00> ok
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> I think that should fix it. if not, you may have to mess around in your BIOS.
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> which may be preffered anyway
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> come to think of it.
[01:44] <will00> now wait, how would i mess around with it in the bios? iv already set the boot order and i dont think thats changed
[01:44] <nosrednaekim> they are SATA right?
[01:44] <will00> iv got 2 sata 1 pata
[01:45] <nosrednaekim> ok, what you need to do is go in and edit which of those sata drives is the "first"
[01:45] <nosrednaekim> (I  think you can do that)
[01:45] <will00> yea lemme check i think it hasnt changed though
[01:46] <mefisto__> Devourer: for firefox, you can try installing an extension (mr tech toolkit http://www.mrtech.com/msgboard/toolkit.xpi) which will let you "make compatible" other extensions you have installed but are disabled. It doesn't always work, but you could try. It just changes the version number of the extension to whatever your current browser is
[01:46] <Devourer> mefisto__, too lazy for that. I just want sound to work. :(
[01:47] <mefisto__> Devourer: yeah, that's more important. Just thought I'd let you know
[01:47] <Devourer> mefisto__, thanks. :)
[01:47] <will00> nosrednaekim: that worked perfectly thanks
[01:49] <phoenixz> Hi there, I have some packages in dpkg that *absolutely* won't install.. How can I remove these from the list? they keep causing problems here...
[01:49] <phoenixz> I just want to dump them
[01:49] <Eruaran> chrisrogers: just message me when you get back
[01:51] <goofyptr> hi i need some help -- kubuntu is putting my laptop into hibernate mode on startup
[01:53] <goofyptr> how can i stop that from happening?
[01:54] <goofyptr> any ideas?
[01:56] <chrisrogers> Eruaran: back
[01:56] <Eruaran> ok
[01:57] <chrisrogers> any luck?
[01:57] <Eruaran> try doing sudo sh install-sh again
[01:57] <chrisrogers> cant open
[01:57] <mefisto__> goofyptr: you may be able to get around it by putting acpi=off in boot options at grub menu before booting
[01:58] <mefisto__> goofyptr: but then you'll have no power management
[01:58] <goofyptr> mefisto__: ic. i'll try that. at least it'll give me my computer back!
[01:59] <goofyptr> brb
[01:59] <Eruaran> chrisrogers: try make
[02:00] <chrisrogers> nope
[02:00] <Eruaran> (youre right the readme is totally useless)
[02:00] <chrisrogers> told ya
[02:00] <Eruaran> make install ?
[02:01] <chrisrogers> nope
[02:02] <Eruaran> ok gimmie a sec
[02:03] <violinappren> my realtek eth cards generates packages with wrong TCP/UDP checksums, any idea? (i tried disabling checksum offloading but says operation not supported)
[02:03] <violinappren> s/packages/packets
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> chrisrogers: what are you trying to install?
[02:04] <chrisrogers> http://linux.softpedia.com/progDownload/RadeonHD-Video-Driver-Download-32962.html
[02:05] <Eruaran> have you searched for hd2600 in the repositories at all ?
[02:05] <Eruaran> nosrednaekim: I dont think I'm being much help
[02:07] <nosrednaekim> chrisrogers: that doesn't even have 3D accel, its not going to do you any good
[02:07] <chrisrogers> really???
[02:07] <nosrednaekim> yeah :)
[02:07] <Eruaran> :(
[02:07] <chrisrogers> )(*&^%$^&*(&^%$#$%^&*&^%$#@#$%^&*&%$#@!@#$%^
[02:08] <nosrednaekim> this is more like it: http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Hardware/ATI-Radeon-Linux-Display-Drivers-6719.shtml
[02:08] <nosrednaekim> which is one version newer than the included one
[02:09] <poseidon> I can't enlarge my windows width only it's hight.  If I go to a corner it doens't show the option to click and drage
[02:09] <Eruaran> mobility hd2600 is supported by the 'xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd' driver in the repositories...
[02:09] <poseidon> *drag
[02:09] <chrisrogers> YAY
[02:09] <chrisrogers> lol
[02:09] <Eruaran> I thought you tried that already
[02:09] <chrisrogers> how do u install a .run file
[02:09] <chrisrogers> lol
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> sudo ./installerfilename.run
[02:10] <chrisrogers> ok cool thx
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> follow this guide though http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Hardy_Installation_Guide
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> ther are some other steps
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> (doing it the manual method)
[02:12] <Eruaran> I'm learning something as well
[02:13] <Eruaran> I will probably need this at some stage no doubt (some of our customers at work are ubuntu users who buy notebooks)
[02:13] <chrisrogers> lol
[02:13] <Eruaran> chrisrogers: sorry I wasnt better help, I don't have much experience with ati drivers
[02:14] <Eruaran> (at least radeon mobility drivers)
[02:14] <chrisrogers> that still uses fglrx
[02:14] <nosrednaekim> yeah... but the bug might be fixed
[02:16] <Eruaran> so the 'xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd' driver in the repo's is only 2d ?
[02:19] <john__> j
[02:19] <goofyptr> mfisto__: thanks for ur help. I am now able to boot into kubuntu
[02:19] <nosrednaekim> yeah
[02:20] <dps> Hey guys
[02:20] <dps> I just came from opensuse with kde4.0.3 to kubuntu and...
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> and...
[02:20] <dps> Where is the plasmas theme selector?
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> not here yet
[02:21] <dps> What you mean?
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> its not in kubuntu. I think suse backported that from 4.1
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> kubuntu only ships the default 4.0.3
[02:22] <dps> Yeah on suse i had updates everyday
[02:22] <dps> that must be it
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> were you running 4.1 on suse?
[02:22] <dps> Nope
[02:22] <dps> 4.0.3
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> hum, ok
[02:22] <dps> But i guess they had daily builds
[02:23] <dps> Like 120 rpms every 2 days or so
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> wow
[02:23] <dps> But its like KDE 4.0.3 Version... 18.1
[02:24] <john__> Hey guys/gals... I'm having an issue(not problem :) ), with Compiz and desktop effects
[02:24] <john__> I can't get my desktop settings to anything above 1 screen
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> john__: ok.
[02:24] <dps> Well wird thing... i was used to having configuration tools...
[02:24] <john__> Every time I try to go to 4 it doesn't keep
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> well, not ok... but continue :)
[02:24] <minaqua> ya...I can't get the rotating cube thing going or anything either
[02:25] <john__> I can get effects between two screens even though my panel says one, but no cube
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> john__: are you using the "desktop effects" program
[02:25] <dps> Well, i find ububtu and kubuntu not friendly for who already knows the drill
[02:25] <john__> System > Desktop Effects
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> john__: ok, and you have that set to custom?
[02:25] <john__> Yep
[02:25] <minaqua> same as john.  set to custom & nada
[02:26] <nosrednaekim> I see..... try disabling it in there.
[02:26] <nosrednaekim> then change the config, and run "compiz --replace"
[02:26] <nosrednaekim> lets see where this bug lies :)
[02:26] <john__> kk
[02:27] <john__> I'm seeing four desktops now... how do I get the cube to spin?
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> ctrl+alt +arrow
[02:27] <john__> Yeah, that's what I thought-- nothing
[02:28] <nosrednaekim> try ctrl+alt+ click+drag mouse
[02:28] <john__> It simulates a virtual desktop in one virtual desktop.  Weird
[02:28] <nosrednaekim> did you run compiz --replace?
[02:28] <nosrednaekim> so is it turning?
[02:28] <john__> The ctrl + alt + mouse doesn't respond
[02:28] <john__> It slides back and forth with the arrows
[02:29] <nosrednaekim> and did you set the horizontal desktop size to >3 ?
[02:29] <nosrednaekim> i.e. four
[02:29] <john__> In the window manager?
[02:29] <nosrednaekim> in ccsm
[02:29] <nosrednaekim> the pager/window manager doesn't affect compiz settings
[02:29] <johnm> test
[02:29] <nosrednaekim> failed
[02:29] <john__> Do I run ccsm from the terminal
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> yeah
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> you may not have it...
[02:30] <john__> I don't
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> but it'll tell you how to get it
[02:30] <john__> apt-get ?
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> IIRC
[02:30] <john__> Cool, thank-you. :)
[02:31] <nosrednaekim> minaqua: you following this?
[02:31] <minaqua> ya
[02:31] <minaqua> i already have it tho
[02:32] <nosrednaekim> john__: and try enabling the "extra" option in Dekstop Effects and trying the ctrl+alt+arrow
[02:32] <nosrednaekim> minaqua: did you set the horizontal desktop size?
[02:32] <minaqua> wherez that??
[02:32] <nosrednaekim> General
[02:33] <minaqua> also been putzin about with that baghira bit that isn't working quite right
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> baghira is awful hard to get "right"
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> :)
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> thats one mess of a theme
[02:34] <minaqua> no doubt
[02:34] <minaqua> finally ditched it
[02:35] <nosrednaekim> use domino
[02:35] <minaqua> can't find a fun dock
[02:35] <john__> I think the servers are smoking at my Ubuntu repository... :)
[02:36] <angasule> hmm, I'm going to install 8.04 soon, so I guess I might as well mess with the theme now
[02:36] <minaqua> still no cubage here
[02:36] <ses59_> I have the the new 8.04 running with kde 4 plasma but the task bar is not loading how can I load the task bar.
[02:37] <ses59_> alt f2 and kcker will bring up the kde 3 but would like to use all kde 4 setting
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> ses59_: right click on the panel->add applets ->taskbar
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> oh... no panel at all!?
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> minaqua: did you disable compiz in Desktop Effects ?
[02:38] <ses59_> i can add widgets and add application lancher
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> add widgets
[02:38] <maduser> kde4 problems?
[02:38] <ses59_> i did just reinable the compiz
[02:38] <minaqua> nos: no
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> minaqua: try doing that and then running "compiz --replace"
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> maduser: oh yes :)
[02:40] <maduser> what issues?
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> maduser: mostly with static IP's and such
[02:41] <maduser> pannel disaperance?
[02:41] <maduser> has that been fixed?
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> taskbar disappearance
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> panel disappearance is simple to fix :P
[02:41] <maduser> how?
[02:41] <minaqua> nos:  it says Checking for Xgl: not present
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> erase the config file
[02:42] <john__> Yeah, me too
[02:42] <maduser> which one is that?
[02:42] <minaqua> No whitelisted driver found
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> minaqua: interesting.
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> you on ATI?
[02:42] <john__> I'm an Nvidia Ge 6600
[02:42] <maduser> which file is the config file nosrednaekim?
[02:43] <cef> so, how do I stop KDE talking to my DSLR camera so I can use a different app to talk to it?
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> maduser: .kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc
[02:43] <maduser> thnaks
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> so compiz really isn't running for either of you and thats why you are having problems...lol :)
[02:44] <john__> It's half running :D
[02:44] <nosrednaekim> john__: eh? are you sure?
[02:44] <john__> My number of desktops is highlighted in blue in General settings
[02:44] <minaqua> nVidia Geforge 6 series
[02:44] <john__> Well, I have desktop effects, just no cube
[02:44] <cef> never mind. it was just kde holding onto the comms libs for a while
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> john__: are you sure? what effects are you getting?
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> minaqua: both 6's....i'm seeing a pattern here?
[02:46] <john__> yeah :) ... I'm getting the fading windows on minimize and slidy screens between one desktop
[02:47] <leo_rockw> aloha #kubuntu
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> hey leo_rockw
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> john__: ooooo! you need to enable the cube plugin :)
[02:47] <john__> No, it's enabled. :)
[02:48] <minaqua> just "upgraded" to Hardy last night...no more rubbery windows or cubes for me  :(
[02:48] <leo_rockw> talking about cube plugin... i know it's offtopic but kwin4 will get the cube effect through google summer of code. just felt like letting you guys know that :-P
[02:48] <poseidon> How do I end a process?
[02:48] <poseidon> I'm getting this "Firefox is already running, but is not responding. To open a new window, you must first close the existing Firefox process, or restart your system."
[02:48] <leo_rockw> poseidon: killall processname
[02:48] <ses59> Here is the link I used to fix it http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-664569.html
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> leo_rockw: yeah... isn't that awesome... my favorite SoC project right there :)
[02:49] <minaqua> did manage to get the wireless KB, mouse & ethernet goin tho
[02:49] <leo_rockw> poseidon: or kill pid#
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> john__: then... look at the shortcuts its using.
[02:49] <leo_rockw> nosrednaekim: i really don't care much about composite effects, but it's nice to have the option
[02:49] <john__> kk ... It helps me organize info :)
[02:49] <chrisrogers> damn that was alot of crap to do
[02:49] <crash> howdy there everyone
[02:49]  * NightBird is trying to install kubuntu 8.04 64 from cd, and it starts the graphical interface, then pulls up BusyBox, and just sits there...
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> chrisrogers: ^_^
[02:50] <leo_rockw> hello mr crash
[02:50] <crash> who wants to help me get the wifi working on this beast?
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> NightBird: yeah.... had the same problem!
[02:50] <leo_rockw> crash: i could try...
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> NightBird: seems to be quite common for some reason
[02:50] <NightBird> it also complains about the chip not being 8139C+ compatable
[02:50] <NightBird> nosrednaekim: so I'm hoping there is a solution to it then?
[02:50] <crash> Kinda wondering why Kubuntu didnt autoinstall it
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> NightBird: I don't know.... look up on Launchpad.
[02:51] <leo_rockw> crash: is it a broadcom?
[02:51] <crash> its an older laptop, on the wifi is onboard
[02:51] <crash> no idea what the chipset is.
[02:51] <Brotherred> Hello all
[02:51] <leo_rockw> crash: try the lspci command
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> crash: lspci will tell you :)
[02:51] <crash> How would I determine that in kubuntu
[02:51] <crash> lspci, one moent
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> hello Brotherred
[02:51] <leo_rockw> Brotherred: hello
[02:51] <Brotherred> < new user
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> leo_rockw: we seem to be duplicating each other :P
[02:52] <nosrednaekim> welcome :)
[02:52] <Brotherred> rpm guy
[02:52] <leo_rockw> nosrednaekim: we seem to be du...
[02:52] <leo_rockw> nvm
[02:52] <nosrednaekim> lol
[02:52] <Brotherred> thanx
[02:52] <leo_rockw> Brotherred: how do you like them apts?
[02:52] <leo_rockw> i mean... debs
[02:53] <crash> lspci lists my wired ethernet, but not my wireless
[02:53] <nosrednaekim> crash: could you pastebin it?
[02:53] <nosrednaekim> !pastebin
[02:53] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:53] <Brotherred> I have always wanted some empirical evidence of deb being better than rpm
[02:53] <chrisrogers> so far so good nosrednaekim
[02:53] <Brotherred> pclos uses apt and one of the best rpms
[02:54] <crash> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64454/
[02:54] <leo_rockw> Brotherred: i never tried rmps before. i was going to download fedora for some test driving...
[02:54] <Brotherred> hmm ok
[02:55] <Brotherred> I see two things that do impress me about the buntus so far
[02:55] <nosrednaekim> chrisrogers: cool :)
[02:56] <Brotherred> the win installer (Oh well) and some of the Firefox addons in the repo
[02:57] <leo_rockw> Brotherred: win installer as in wubi? i haven't tried that yet (and probably never will considering i don't have a license)
[02:57] <nosrednaekim> crash: yeah... i'm not seeing it there.
[02:57] <crash> likewise.
[02:57] <nosrednaekim> crash: maybe you don't have the cardbus correctly set up
[02:57] <chrisrogers> now it looks weird when i move windows
[02:57] <nosrednaekim> (or did you say it was internal?)
[02:58] <crash> Its not on a cardbus interface
[02:58] <nosrednaekim> chrisrogers: heh... but does loggin out work?
[02:58] <crash> its on miniPCI
[02:58] <chrisrogers> gonna check
[02:58] <nosrednaekim> crash: ok, then no clue.
[02:58] <crash> Unless I took it out and dont remember,...
[02:58]  * crash reaches for a screwdriver
[02:58] <nosrednaekim> :)
[02:58] <Brotherred> I work in a pc repair shop where we have tried about 6 distros in the last six weeks for later distribution
[02:59] <nosrednaekim> Brotherred: heh... which one won?
[02:59] <Brotherred> mandriva or kubuntu
[02:59] <nosrednaekim> we are flattered :)
[02:59] <Brotherred> pclos repo can not stay up or it would have won right off
[03:00] <john__> Drr..di.drr.. Nos, I enabled "Rotate Cube" and gave my horizontal desktops "3"  I now have a rotating triangle.  :) Thanks for the help
[03:00] <leo_rockw> Brotherred: were things like mint or freespired tested too?
[03:00] <Brotherred> mint was
[03:01] <leo_rockw> Brotherred: new people seem to like those better, considering they come w/ all the commercial stuff
[03:01] <leo_rockw> Brotherred: and kubuntu still won? nice
[03:01] <nosrednaekim> john__: awesome. thats that the settings should be... but I don't see why that didn't work automaticcally...i'll check into it
[03:01] <Brotherred> hardware detection on ten year old stuff
[03:01] <Brotherred> is what we need
[03:02] <leo_rockw> Brotherred: ooo, i see...
[03:02] <Brotherred> Mandirva running compiz or at least matisse off the live cd is a real winner
[03:03] <leo_rockw> i really don't care much about compiz. it might be because i have ati...
[03:03] <nosrednaekim> leo_rockw: sour grapes :)
[03:03] <Brotherred> Yes the ATI  yucks
[03:04] <leo_rockw> it was either ati or 400 dollars more for nvidia (it's a laptop)
[03:04] <Brotherred> That is an on going discussion that I just soon avoid with the owner at this point
[03:04] <nosrednaekim> :)
[03:04] <minaqua> thX nos...gonna try a couple other things...let U know wot happnz :)
[03:05] <leo_rockw> but my ati works fairly well. and i'm still waiting for those juicy free drivers
[03:05] <Bandit> Hi, I just upgraded to Hardy and now my wireless don't work.....i have a dell 1390 and i used ndiswrapper previously
[03:05] <Bandit> doesn't work*
[03:05] <Brotherred> I gave up the waiting
[03:05] <leo_rockw> Bandit: what card is it?
[03:06] <Bandit> Broadcomm Dell 1390
[03:06] <sophiemg> hola?
[03:06] <leo_rockw> sophiemg: hello
[03:06] <leo_rockw> Bandit: is that the name that shows up in lspci?
[03:06] <Bandit> 05:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI [14e4:4311] (rev 01)
[03:06] <leo_rockw> leo_rockw: si necesitas ayuda en español proba #kubuntu-es
[03:06] <luphly_muth> hello..
[03:07] <leo_rockw> hello luphly_muth
[03:07] <sophiemg> va gracias
[03:07] <leo_rockw> sophiemg: de nada
[03:07] <leo_rockw> Bandit: you're lucky, i have that card
[03:07] <Bandit> yeah?
[03:07] <leo_rockw> Bandit: it's pretty easy to make it work
[03:07] <Bandit> it was working in Gutsy
[03:07] <Brotherred> lol in the clutch leo_rockw
[03:07] <Bandit> but upgrade to Hardy didn't work
[03:07] <leo_rockw> Bandit: yes, they changed the drivers
[03:08] <Bandit> i told ndiswrapper to use bcmwl5
[03:08] <leo_rockw> Brotherred: first of all install build-essential if it's not installed
[03:08] <leo_rockw> Brotherred: forget about ndiswrapper
[03:08] <mot_> hey i need helping getting the nvidia driver installed and working
[03:08] <mot_> i enabled it in the restricted drivers manager in 8.04
[03:08] <Bandit> you mean Bandit? :P
[03:08] <mot_> but when i reboot it looks like crap and everything is choppy
[03:08] <leo_rockw> er... bandit
[03:08] <leo_rockw> lol
[03:08] <mot_> the driver is 'nvidia' in xorg.conf, but i thought i wanted the 'nv' driver instead?
[03:08] <mot_> i'm confused =\
[03:08] <leo_rockw> Bandit: that was my autocomplete's fault! lol
[03:08] <Bandit> yeah i know :)
[03:09] <mot_> (i was originally trying to get compiz to work but it was complaining about xgl not being installed - confused on that too)
[03:09] <mot_> can i get some help? :D
[03:09] <Bandit> build-essential is installed and to the newest version
[03:09] <mot_> anybody??
[03:09] <luphly_muth> hello leo...
[03:09] <luphly_muth> asl pls
[03:09] <leo_rockw> Bandit: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64457/
[03:10] <flaccid> hey guys, any enemy territory users here. i have a sound question
[03:10] <leo_rockw> Bandit: instructions taken from this page http://linuxwireless.sipsolutions.net/en/users/Drivers/b43  (in case you wondered)
[03:10] <Bandit> thanks...are you running Hardy?
[03:10] <leo_rockw> Bandit: yup
[03:10] <Bandit> do i have to undo what i did with ndiswrapper
[03:10] <luphly_muth> yes,, u can...
[03:10] <leo_rockw> Bandit: after that just connect in the usual way
[03:10] <leo_rockw> Bandit: i never used ndiswrapper
[03:10] <Bandit> ok
[03:10] <leo_rockw> Bandit: so i really don't know
[03:10] <Bandit> I will undo what I did
[03:10] <Bandit> thanks man I'll give it a shot
[03:11] <Brotherred> Hey were there repo errors this after noon? Open Areana and Nexiz would not apt-get
[03:11] <leo_rockw> Bandit: if you run into any problem just let me know
[03:11] <Bandit> I will :)
[03:11] <luphly_muth> what do u mean?
[03:11] <leo_rockw> Brotherred: my friend was having problems today to get dosbox
[03:12] <flaccid> Brotherred: whats your problem with which package?
[03:12] <Brotherred> Ok close enough it answers it
[03:12] <leo_rockw> Brotherred: but only for a while, it didn't last long
[03:12] <luphly_muth> will what?
[03:12] <flaccid> !info nexuiz
[03:12] <ubotu> nexuiz (source: nexuiz): A fast-paced 3D first-person shooter. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.4-1 (hardy), package size 657 kB, installed size 2080 kB
[03:13] <flaccid> Brotherred: universe repos must be enabled
[03:13] <poseidon> x
[03:13] <leo_rockw> poseidon: hello
[03:13] <Brotherred> Just that a lot of my games that I checked and their dependaneis would not install
[03:13] <luphly_muth> hello..
[03:13] <flaccid> Brotherred: provide the error so we can help please
[03:13] <Brotherred> ok thanx flaxxid
[03:13] <flaccid> thank me when we fix it:)
[03:13] <Brotherred> flaccid
[03:14] <Brotherred> oh sorry am home now and on older dads win box
[03:15] <flaccid> thats no good
[03:15] <flaccid> just fyi 'would not install' never helpers the helpers to help you :O
[03:15] <leo_rockw> Brotherred: get a pendrive with qemu and damn small linux :-)
[03:15] <Brotherred> lol
[03:16] <flaccid> lol sif thats needed
[03:16] <flaccid> it would be slow as well
[03:16] <Brotherred> flaccid you told me about the universe. thanx that helps
[03:16] <flaccid> np
[03:16] <flaccid> just manage repositories in adept and then reload then it should be available
[03:17] <leo_rockw> flaccid: you mean dsl with qemu is slow?
[03:17] <flaccid> off a pen drive it is
[03:18] <flaccid> generally
[03:18] <flaccid> depending on what you run
[03:18] <leo_rockw> flaccid: it worked pretty well for me in windoze and in my kubuntu box
[03:18] <Brotherred> The win box does bring up some love for mandriva though. It auto upgraded my slmodem on one of the boxes at the pc repair shop so I can maybe convert my dads pc to full linux
[03:18] <flaccid> yeah dpends what you are running...
[03:18] <Bandit> leo_rockw i copied and pasted those commands directly
[03:18] <Bandit> my wifi light didn't come on
[03:18] <leo_rockw> Bandit: did you restart after that?
[03:18] <Bandit> not yet
[03:19] <leo_rockw> Bandit: i think you need to restart for the drivers to kick in
[03:19] <Bandit> alright let me try
[03:19] <Bandit> thanks bro
[03:19] <Bandit> brb
[03:19] <leo_rockw> Bandit: ok, np
[03:19] <chrisrogers> well that fucked me up royally
[03:20] <leo_rockw> !ohmy | chrisrogers
[03:20] <ubotu> chrisrogers: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[03:20] <chrisrogers> sorry
[03:21] <Brotherred> Well if I ever go to OLF again I will have to probe the *Buntu guys on .deb vs. .rpm
[03:22] <Brotherred> discussions on rpm heck are not enough for me
[03:22] <flaccid> Brotherred: see rpm hell
[03:23] <flaccid> all packaging systems have caveats
[03:23] <leo_rockw> dependency hell!
[03:23] <leo_rockw> i come from slackware...
[03:23] <Brotherred> and Ean Murdock has said that he sees the same thing happing in the .deb
[03:24] <flaccid> like i said no packaging system is going to not have issues. you can read about the problems on google
[03:24] <totocool> hi all I`ve just installed kde 4 but the panel went away, any Ideas how to add it again
[03:24] <totocool> ?
[03:24] <Bandit> leo_rockw i love you
[03:24] <Bandit> :D
[03:24] <Brotherred> so no matter what distro wins out I still will wonder
[03:24] <Videira> is there anyone using NVidia graphics with console framebuffer support? I'm trying to enable 1280x1024 console but it says that vga=795 is invalid
[03:24] <leo_rockw> Bandit: i could give you my paypal account... but i don't have one :-P
[03:24] <flaccid> totocool: #kubuntu-kde4
[03:24] <Bandit> haha thanks man
[03:24] <Bandit> much thanks
[03:25] <leo_rockw> Bandit: go to my blog and leave a message on the Exit Gutsy Enter Hardy II
[03:25] <leo_rockw> Bandit: leorockway.wordpress
[03:25] <leo_rockw> Bandit: :-P
[03:25] <Bandit> ok
[03:25] <Brotherred> Yes all packaging has issues sure
[03:25] <crash> hmmm
[03:25] <leo_rockw> Bandit: that post got like 80 views in 3 days, haha
[03:25] <crash> wifi card is gone
[03:25] <Bandit> nice
[03:26] <flaccid> what i dislike is that out of the box, kubuntu fails with doing upgrades. that imo is pathetic
[03:26] <flaccid> i guess thats because adept cannot handle interactive yet with apt
[03:27] <Brotherred> oh and your rolling releases have always impressed so that answers part of the rpm question
[03:29] <baudthief> holy shit, 1.5gb of download to do a dist-upgrade :(
[03:29] <leo_rockw> !ohmy | baudthief
[03:29] <ubotu> baudthief: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[03:29] <Iomere> s there anyone using NVidia graphics with console framebuffer support? I'm trying to enable 1280x1024 console but it says that vga=795 is invalid
[03:29] <baudthief> *great googamooga, 1.5gb of download to do a dist-upgrade :(
[03:30] <flaccid> i think its funny. you install gutsy 7.10 and then straight up adept says a new version is available and suggests 7.10. err but im already on that lol <-- not logical
[03:30] <carlosz> hey, what's with the xorg in the new kubuntu? how do I enable nvidia?
[03:30] <leo_rockw> baudthief: lol
[03:30] <flaccid> !nvidia | carlosz
[03:30] <ubotu> carlosz: For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:30] <stdin> flaccid: that was a bug in adept that was fixed after release
[03:30] <baudthief> anyone NOT recommend upgrading from gutsy to 8.04?
[03:31] <baudthief> is it worth the 1.5gb :p
[03:31] <Dr_willis> The xorg.conf now uses a minimal setup. I had to install the nvidia-glx (or glx-new) package and then restart X - i dident have to tweak my xorg.conf last time.
[03:31] <Dr_willis> baudthief,   if you want the features go for it.. if not.. dont. :)
[03:31] <flaccid> stdin: ah ok a bit weird that it wasn't picked up in testing. also it still fails with the upgrade as it asks a question such as which config file to keep original, maintainers versin etc. is this handled in next version?
[03:31] <Iomere> Dr_willis: are you able to use framebuffer on console?
[03:32] <stdin> flaccid: how could it be, the option to upgrade only comes a short time before release
[03:32] <flaccid> baudthief: i always wait for stable/prod release
[03:32] <stdin> flaccid: otherwise everyone would have upgraded before release
[03:32] <Dr_willis> Iomere,  I normaly disable the framebuffer and splash stuff.. but Yes.. I can use the framebuffer on my laptop. I set the vga=SOMTHING in the kernel options in menu.lst i recall for it to be enabled.
[03:32] <flaccid> stdin: im not sure what you mean. are you saying that testers don't do an upgrade test with dummy packages?
[03:32] <Dr_willis> Iomere,  i was thinking the framebuffer was disabled by default
[03:32] <stdin> flaccid: yes, a popup window asks what to do
[03:32] <poseidon> Whats a good dvd player?
[03:32] <flaccid> stdin: it doesn't with me. i get no popup only a dialog saying upgrade failed
[03:33] <stdin> flaccid: the upgrade button is enabled when the servers say "hey I have a new release"
[03:33] <Dr_willis> poseidon,  i tend to use gmplayer, or one of its variants, or vlc for my needs
[03:33] <leo_rockw> i like smplayer
[03:33] <flaccid> stdin: doesn't mean a test suite cannot be prepared. ie. test upgrade with apt asking questions.
[03:33] <Iomere> Dr_willis: usplash doesnt use fb? I'm trying to set vga=795, but it says that is an invalid option
[03:34] <Dr_willis> try 'vga=ask' then when you boot it will show a list of modes you can try
[03:34] <stdin> flaccid: it worked when I upgraded several boxes to gutsy, just popped up a window asking what to do
[03:34] <mneptok> poseidon: i like my Playstation 3
[03:34] <baudthief> mneptok: PS3 ftw!
[03:34] <baudthief> Super Startdust HD rocks :p
[03:34] <baudthief> *stardust
[03:34] <flaccid> stdin: maybe its a gutsy bug then. i've done 3 fresh installs from iso of gutsy in the last week. all failed upgrade.
[03:34] <stdin> flaccid: like #10 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades/Kubuntu
[03:34] <Iomere> Dr_willis: it only allows 80xSOMETHING options... how do I know which one is 1280x1024?
[03:35] <chrisrogers> anybody know why 8.04 autodetects my Ati Mobility radeon HD 2600 and when i enable the propriatary driver for it (fglrx) i can't log out without getting a black screen, and i've tried adding TerminateServer=true to my kdmrc
[03:35] <mneptok> i tried playinmg Super Angeldust, but the hallucinations in 1080p were too much.
[03:35] <Dr_willis> Iomere,  try them all? theres some sites/docs somewhere that explaine those modes.. i rarely use the framebuffer. I only enabled it so i could get mplayer working on the console as a test.
[03:35] <baudthief> mneptok: Then try Super STARdust :P
[03:35] <flaccid> stdin: you are right. in 10) it handles it there. maybe this is because adept version is later once gutsy is upgraded but not from the iso
[03:36] <chrisrogers> anybody know why 8.04 autodetects my Ati Mobility radeon HD 2600 and when i enable the propriatary driver for it (fglrx) i can't log out without getting a black screen, and i've tried adding TerminateServer=true to my kdmrc
[03:36] <flaccid> chrisrogers: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for the error
[03:36] <chrisrogers> oh
[03:36] <stdin> flaccid: possibly
[03:36] <chrisrogers> thanks
[03:36] <mot_> is it me
[03:36] <mot_> or is there no longer a 'fetch gpl'ed themes' button in emerald?
[03:36] <baudthief> mneptok: http://au.ps3.ign.com/articles/797/797927p1.html <-- check out the videos, marvel to behold at 1080p
[03:37] <flaccid> stdin: do you know if there are any apt situations not handled by adept now?
[03:37] <stdin> mot_: emerald is dead, their svn repo no longer responds
[03:37] <baudthief> rip emerald :(
[03:37] <mot_> responded to me just now
[03:37] <mot_> i did the svn ls blah blah
[03:37] <mot_> and it crapped out a bunch of themes
[03:37] <stdin> flaccid: don't think so, it even pops up and asks me what display manager I want to use when I install more than one
[03:38] <lmcjfer> hi, good evening, I just installed ubuntu 8.04 and have a problem I was wondering is a known fault
[03:38] <stdin> mot_: last time I tried it died, but that was a while ago now
[03:38] <flaccid> thats good news. i just wish that kubuntu/ubuntu wasn't so buggy. each new release there is too many bugs imo
[03:38] <y0y0x> o.o
[03:38] <mot_> try again
[03:39] <chrisrogers> flaccid: i'm sending it to you see if you can find anything, i cna't make heads or tales of it, i'm not really a noob but there's not too much i can do
[03:39] <mot_> svn ls https://svn.generation.no/emerald-themes
[03:39] <poseidon> How do I make it so that kate doesn't save everything as x.x~?
[03:39] <flaccid> chrisrogers: pastebin please
[03:39] <flaccid> !pastebin | chrisrogers
[03:39] <ubotu> chrisrogers: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:39] <stdin> flaccid: then you should go fix them ;) testing pre-releases is a good way to find bugs that devs won't run into
[03:39] <stdin> mot_: where are you checking for the button though?
[03:39] <rahmed> hey guys, I want to apt-get install from /var/cache/apt from my local machine
[03:39] <Dr_willis> poseidon,  its saveing the 'backups' with a ~ at the end. theres options  in the menus to disable that
[03:39] <rahmed> how can I do this ?
[03:39] <flaccid> stdin: unfortunately i don't have enough time for the project and a lot of people dislike me heh
[03:40] <stdin> rahmed: it does it automatically
[03:40] <rahmed> so it won't go out on the internet
[03:40] <flaccid> if its in the cache it won't d/l it again rahmed
[03:40] <rahmed> okay thank you guys
[03:40] <stdin> rahmed: not if it already has the deb, no
[03:40] <rahmed> need to reboot
[03:40] <chrisrogers> flaccid: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64459/
[03:40] <rahmed> thanks
[03:41] <chrisrogers> flaccid: that's a neat little service
[03:41] <linuxguymarshall> I am not upgrading to 8.04 because the servers are getting bombed and the servers are slow as hell. Any idea when they will get some bandwidth?
[03:42] <chrisrogers> flaccid: anything look suspecious
[03:42] <baudthief> linuxguymarshall: I'm getting 1.1Mbytes/sec here
[03:42] <leo_rockw> linuxguymarshall: if you can use torrents download an alternate iso and upgrade from that
[03:42] <stdin> linuxguymarshall: use a local mirror
[03:43] <Dr_willis> Ive gotten the cd's off torrents very quickly today. :)
[03:43] <lmcjfer> after the successful installation, gnome desktop is not starting
[03:43] <leo_rockw> linuxguymarshall: it took me like 40 minutes to get that iso
[03:43] <flaccid> chrisrogers: well there is no errors in it technically. so kdm won't start? goto a tty and do a sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop; startx and then look at the screen and see if it returns an error when it tries to start kde manually
[03:43] <Dr_willis> but i know better then to try to upgrade till like monday or tuesday
[03:43] <leo_rockw> Dr_willis: you can upgrade from an alternate cd
[03:43] <Dr_willis> leo_rockw,  yep. :) theres that way also.
[03:43] <chrisrogers> flaccid: it will start, but i can't log off without having a black screen come up and i've tried adding TerminateServer=true to my kdmrc
[03:43] <tekteen> ﻿Hi all! Can someone help me with my wireless? I installed hardy and now udev is not finding my wireless card. Can someone walk me through editing /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules to include my wireless card?
[03:44] <chrisrogers> flaccid: it won't shut down, log off, or restart, or even ctrl+alt+bksp
[03:44] <andrew_> I am having a problem with Guidance (on Hardy).  When I plug it in, guidanc'e icon shows that I'm plugged in and charging.  However, it's not changing the brightness nor swtiching to dynamic.
[03:44] <leo_rockw> Dr_willis: i upgraded at the beta for testing. then downloaded an alternate cd and did a fresh install on thursday :-P
[03:44] <andrew_> Essentially it's staying as if it is running on battery.
[03:44] <flaccid> chrisrogers: does it freeze up - prevent you from getting to a tty when that happens?
[03:44] <mot_> hmm
[03:44] <leo_rockw> andrew_: click on the battery icon on the traybar and adjust the settings
[03:44] <chrisrogers> flaccid: yep
[03:44] <mot_> i put a bunch of emerald themes in ~/.emerald/themes
[03:44] <mot_> but when i open emerald they don't show up
[03:45] <mot_> any suggestions?
[03:45] <andrew_> leo_rockw: that's useless as the setting it makes me adjust is the battery one.
[03:45] <leo_rockw> andrew_: it lets me adjust both
[03:45] <andrew_> leo_rockw: adjusting the main, has no effect
[03:45] <flaccid> chrisrogers: which driver are you using - is it from the repos because it kind of doesn't look like it. ie. dpkg -l | grep fglrx
[03:45] <andrew_> only the battery one has any effect
[03:45] <leo_rockw> andrew_: mmhh... that sounds like a bug to me
[03:45] <chrisrogers> it's flgrx
[03:45] <flaccid> chrisrogers: where is it from
[03:45] <andrew_> leo_rockw: I'm going to try rebooting and see if it detects it right if it starts like that.
[03:46] <andrew_> (startes plugged in I mean)
[03:46] <chrisrogers> flaccid: it came with 8.04
[03:46] <chrisrogers> flaccid: i think
[03:46] <baudthief> anything under ubunut that can visualise disk use?
[03:46] <baudthief> *ubuntu
[03:46] <flaccid> chrisrogers: we only supporty gutsy and prior here, please goto #ubuntu+1
[03:46] <chrisrogers> flaccid: but it's from the repo's
[03:46] <leo_rockw> baudthief: as in file sizes and stuff?
[03:46] <mneptok> baudthief: df and du are fine for me
[03:46] <chrisrogers> this is Kubuntu 8.04
[03:47] <leo_rockw> baudthief: there is a graphical one... lemme see if i can find it... (i did a fresh install yesterday and i can't remember the name of the app)
[03:47] <mneptok> flaccid: incorrect
[03:47] <mneptok> flaccid: 8.04 is released, and thus supported.
[03:47] <baudthief> leo_rockw: I hate it when that happens :P
[03:47] <flaccid> when did it get released?
[03:47] <chrisrogers> mneptok: thanks
[03:47] <leo_rockw> baudthief: there's filelight
[03:47] <chrisrogers> flaccid: a couple of days ago
[03:47] <leo_rockw> baudthief: but there's another one i like better
[03:47] <chrisrogers> flaccid: read up :D
[03:47] <flaccid> well my cache is obviously stuck in my browser
[03:48] <flaccid> much sorry for that, it still says RC2 for me hmm
[03:48] <chrisrogers> mneptok: any help http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ with a blackscreen on logout
[03:48] <flaccid> chrisrogers: does the same thing happen when using ati or vesa drivers?
[03:48] <mneptok> chrisrogers: ATI proprietary drivers? good luck.
[03:48] <leo_rockw> baudthief: it might be kdirstat, let me apt-get it
[03:49] <chrisrogers> flaccid: well havn't used ati drivers i don't think, but when using vesa drivers it works fine, but i have no 3d support which is what i want for compiz
[03:49]  * mneptok doesn;t touch anything binary from ATI
[03:49] <leo_rockw> baudthief: yes, kdirstat!
[03:49]  * chrisrogers laughs out loud
[03:49] <leo_rockw> baudthief: both filelight and kdirstat are good
[03:49] <flaccid> chrisrogers: unfortunately ati is not great. which card is it?
[03:49] <leo_rockw> i'm using ati's propietary drivers atm
[03:50] <flaccid> im on fglrx as well atm
[03:50] <leo_rockw> not the one from the repos, but the ones from ati.com
[03:50] <chrisrogers> flaccid: i like my ati card (ATI Radeon Mobility HD 2600 256 dedicated, 768 shared by ram)
[03:50] <chrisrogers> that's on a laptop too
[03:50] <flaccid> thats a newish card. what does it show up as in lscpi chrisrogers
[03:51] <baudthief> leo_rockw: Thanks!
[03:51] <tyyrant27> my work computer is on ati's driver, it works very well for me
[03:51] <leo_rockw> baudthief: no problem
[03:51]  * flaccid will upgrade now so i can help
[03:51] <chrisrogers> flaccid: lscpi?
[03:51] <flaccid> many ati cards, many variables
[03:51] <flaccid> chrisrogers: yes in konsole
[03:51] <tyyrant27> true
[03:51] <flaccid> or shell
[03:51] <andrew_> leo_rockw: I rebooted and the results are even weirder.
[03:51] <chrisrogers> flaccid: do i type lspci in console
[03:51] <flaccid> chrisrogers: yes
[03:52] <leo_rockw> andrew_: then it might be a good idea to report a bug
[03:52] <flaccid> stdin: i shall test upgrade now from fully up to date gutsy to 8.04
[03:52] <leo_rockw> andrew_: or to search launchpad and see if someone else reported it already
[03:52] <andrew_> It starts out showing that I'm plugged in and batter is at 89% and charging.   When I unplug it.  It then indicates, that I'm still plugged in, and at 89% (and FULLY CHARGED)
[03:52] <chrisrogers> lscpi command not found
[03:52] <flaccid> andrew_: is the battery old?
[03:52] <andrew_> Where do I go to report and/or check to see.
[03:52] <tyyrant27> just finished my upgrade
[03:52] <andrew_> flaccid: no, pretty new actually
[03:52] <tyyrant27> seems to be working gtg
[03:52] <flaccid> andrew_: ok
[03:53] <flaccid> stdin: is lscpi not in 8.04?
[03:53] <tyyrant27> it is
[03:53] <stdin> yeah, it is
[03:53] <lmcjfer> thanks for not helping at all
[03:53] <andrew_> So, where would I find this Launchpad?
[03:53] <flaccid> chrisrogers: try `which lspci`
[03:53] <flaccid> !bugs | andrew_
[03:53] <ubotu> andrew_: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[03:53] <leo_rockw> andrew_: launchpad.net
[03:53] <chrisrogers> flaccid: not it just says /usr/bin/lspci
[03:53] <chrisrogers> flaccid: now**
[03:54] <flaccid> chrisrogers: do it with the backticks or just run /usr/bin/lspci it looks like your path is stuffed
[03:54] <flaccid> how do i upgrade to the remix it is not detailed in the upgrade on the website
[03:54] <chrisrogers> woah
[03:55] <flaccid> it says i can get 2 dif releases on http://kubuntu.org/ so i click on upgrade and it doesn't mention kde4 remix in the upgrade guide :(
[03:55] <chrisrogers> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M76 [Radeon Mobility HD 2600 Series]
[03:55] <flaccid> chrisrogers: pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:55] <chrisrogers> ok
[03:55] <tyyrant27> flaccid: that is what im looking up now...
[03:56] <poseidon> Are there any good kubuntu blogs out there?
[03:56] <chrisrogers> flaccid: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64461/
[03:56] <mrkeishii> which is better to use Kubuntu 8.04 Hardy Heron or Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 4 Remix???
[03:56] <stdin> flaccid: one upgrades normally then installs kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[03:56] <flaccid> stdin: i think this needs addressing asap
[03:56] <Dr_willis> mrkeishii,  you can easially install kde4 later..  if you want kde4
[03:57] <flaccid> stdin: then the upgrade guide needs this information and instructions..
[03:57] <mrkeishii> and how do i do that
[03:57] <Dr_willis> kde4 is  still very limited.
[03:57] <leo_rockw> mrkeishii: kde4 is not ready for dailiy use, imo
[03:57] <mrkeishii> oh
[03:57] <Dr_willis> you can isntall kde4 later, same as you would any other app/desktop
[03:57] <stdin> you can't just upgrade directly to kde4
[03:57] <mrkeishii> so it would be better to download hardy version
[03:57] <andrew_> leo_rockw and flaccid: In case you were curious: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/213128  <--- same bug, on same brand laptop, so I guess it was noticed
[03:57] <mrkeishii> so it would be better to download hardy version???
[03:58] <chrisrogers> not if your in my shoes lol
[03:58] <zoranoth> Any ideas regarding garbled text on the console after waking from suspend?
[03:58] <stdin> mrkeishii: they are both hardy
[03:58] <mrkeishii> oh
[03:58] <chrisrogers> just one has kde4
[03:58] <leo_rockw> andrew_: suscribe to it. if they find a solution you'll be the first one to know
[03:58] <mrkeishii> but y r they saying kde 4 is not ready for daily use
[03:58] <tyyrant27> there is an iso from englad that has kde4 on it i know that
[03:58] <chrisrogers> nope
[03:58] <chrisrogers> i want kde for windows
[03:58] <stdin> mrkeishii: because that's what they think
[03:59] <tyyrant27> i installed 8.04 and then installed kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[03:59] <mrkeishii> so both are hardy
[03:59] <stdin> if that's their opinion then fine
[03:59] <mrkeishii> and
[03:59] <flaccid> stdin: can you https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades/Kubuntu?action=edit or get JR to do so? i don't want to attempt an edit on such an important document
[03:59] <Brotherred> ditto that mrkeishii
[03:59] <mrkeishii> they have two types then
[03:59] <chrisrogers> hey flaccid any luck?
[03:59] <mrkeishii> one 3.5 and second 4.0
[03:59] <mrkeishii> oh
[03:59] <andrew_> leo_rockw: already plan to do that :)
[03:59] <mrkeishii> okay
[03:59] <stdin> flaccid: I'll try and get round to it today
[03:59] <leo_rockw> mrkeishii: there's kubuntu 8.04 hardy heron kde 3.5.9 and kubuntu 8.04 hardy heron kde4
[03:59] <mrkeishii> but would'nt it be better to use KDE 4?
[04:00] <flaccid> andrew_: thanks. i think i've seen this before but i thought it was my battery stuffed
[04:00] <flaccid> chrisrogers: looking now
[04:00] <chrisrogers> still unstable mrkeishii
[04:00] <Brotherred> kde for win will help the N80 spread and help Linux desktop migration
[04:00] <flaccid> stdin: thanks
[04:00] <chrisrogers> ok flaccid thanks
[04:00] <Dr_willis> mrkeishii,  if you have never used kde4... you may not like it.
[04:00] <leo_rockw> mrkeishii: kde4 is still a work in progress
[04:00] <mrkeishii> okay
[04:00] <Dr_willis> 'work in progress' is being nice also. :)
[04:00] <mrkeishii> understood
[04:00] <maduser> where is kdm for kde4?
[04:00] <mrkeishii> thanks to all
[04:00] <mrkeishii> cya
[04:00] <leo_rockw> maduser: kdm-kde4
[04:00] <chrisrogers> if i knew i was going to have this many problems i wouldn't have done this in the first place
[04:01] <maduser> thanks
[04:01] <andrew_> flaccid: you have a vaio?
[04:01] <flaccid> andrew_: nah ASUS W1000Na
[04:01] <andrew_> ah
[04:01] <flaccid> stdin: doing upgrade now. i click show terminal, it shows nothing!
[04:02] <chrisrogers> i really wish i could just get this fixed
[04:02] <Brotherred> OH and another thing I like about *buntu is that it is more for the GDM. Most of the themes that I down load from kde-look.org are actually gdm! oh well
[04:03] <linuxguymarshall> I am on a 7.10 live dvd right now and have a question. If I hit version upgrade on my Live dvd when it is done installing will it be 8.04 when I boot? I can already install programs so will it work for a version upgrade?
[04:03] <flaccid> chrisrogers: so its a case of it hangs on logout and thats  a hard hang right?
[04:04] <chrisrogers> flaccid: yep
[04:04] <chrisrogers> flaccid: brb
[04:04] <flaccid> ok well im upgrading as well to check this out
[04:05] <flaccid> stdin: the kde4 remix sits beside the normal stable release? ie. you select kde4 from the kdm dropdown after installing the package?
[04:05] <stdin> yes
[04:05] <Brotherred> linuxguymarshall: I think it will stay 7.10 untill you upgrade your version
[04:05] <flaccid> ok cool. so its really just a cutting edge alternate DE
[04:05] <zoranoth> For some reason I can't make the Panel icons small anymore with this install
[04:05] <chrisrogers> flaccid: back
[04:05] <flaccid> ok cool
[04:06] <chrisrogers> flaccid: any luck :(
[04:06] <chrisrogers> flaccid: i'm pulling my hair out here
[04:06] <chrisrogers> flaccid: been working on it for 3 days
[04:06] <chrisrogers> flaccid: i can't get any support anywhere
[04:06] <flaccid> chrisrogers: well your xorg.conf is basica and doesn't do anything out of the ordinary. so im not sure why you get a lot of warnings and the crash
[04:06] <linuxguymarshall> Brotherred:On the previous computer I was working on i installed VLC in Live mode and it was there when I rebooted. So mabye I can upgrade in live cd mode
[04:06] <flaccid> chrisrogers: so you did kill kdm and run startx manually to test if it still hangs?
[04:07] <flaccid> from a tty..
[04:07] <chrisrogers> flaccid: no warnings, just a black screen when i try to logoff, restart, shutdown or kill X
[04:07] <thadbry> has anyone had a problem installing packages w/ new ubuntu 8.04?
[04:07] <chrisrogers> YES
[04:07] <Brotherred> linuxguymarshall:  I would not depend on the live that is not what it is for
[04:07] <flaccid> chrisrogers: and that prevents you from checking log anyway right because it hangs?
[04:07] <chrisrogers> flaccid: yep
[04:08] <chrisrogers> flaccid: i've tried everything on the net
[04:08] <Brotherred> linuxguymarshall: it *may* work and that would be impressive. but I would not risk it
[04:08] <chrisrogers> flaccid: i want my compiz and my logoff's to work right
[04:08] <chrisrogers> flaccid: this is pissing me off majorily
[04:08] <flaccid> chrisrogers: did you try the latest driver from ATI direct. you may need that
[04:08] <linuxguymarshall> Brotherred:Ok, I just wanted to get as much done as possible. I really don't care just thought it would be nice
[04:08] <chrisrogers> flaccid: i'll check but i don't think they have them
[04:08] <flaccid> chrisrogers: don't worry ive had many ati problems to fix. at this point it looks more like the card model->driver
[04:09] <leo_rockw> chrisrogers: the fglrx drivers from the ati website improved a lot lately... they are still garbage but better garbage
[04:09] <Brotherred> linuxguymarshall: if it is a wash either way then ok
[04:09] <Brotherred> I would not hog my bandwidth that way on a test though
[04:10] <flaccid> chrisrogers: feel free to remove fglrx and do http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeon.html
[04:10] <intelikey> might i sujest (to flaccid and chrisrogers) trying to pin point the actual issue.   maybe boot with "nosplash vga=0x0f05" || "noacpi" || "noscsi" ...   ?
[04:11] <intelikey> flaccid or that ^
[04:11] <flaccid> im not sure how that will help stdin
[04:11] <flaccid> worth a try but im sure hmm
[04:12] <intelikey> flaccid you may already know that it's the ati chip/s   just thought i might sujest a "process of elimination" on it.
[04:13] <flaccid> intelikey: ok. how will that help the POE ?
[04:14] <intelikey> flaccid if the ati vidio driver is the issue then it's most likely interavting badly with fbcon   so not using the framebuffer should circumvent the hang.
[04:14] <flaccid> ok mad intelikey
[04:14] <flaccid> chrisrogers: can you try that suggestion and report back?
[04:14] <chrisrogers> intelikey: how do you do that
[04:14] <intelikey> if it's acpi then turning that off should preven the hang.   and as for scsi   well it's not likely but it could be.
[04:15] <chrisrogers> flaccid: how do i turn off the framebuffer?
[04:15] <intelikey> chrisrogers boot time options
[04:15] <chrisrogers> intelikey: grub.lst?
[04:15] <flaccid> press 'e' at grub entry and then append the options?
[04:15] <flaccid> or edit menu.lst
[04:16] <chrisrogers> what options
[04:16] <intelikey> chrisrogers better to jsut use the "e" == edit feature of grub at the boot prompt.
[04:16] <chrisrogers> intelikey: ok, but what do i need to type in?
[04:17] <intelikey> in order try the three things i listed.  { "nosplash vga=0x0f05" || "noacpi" || "noscsi"}      if the first doesnt help try the next.
[04:17] <flaccid> just append all options yeah
[04:17] <intelikey> chrisrogers that will go on the  "kernel" line
[04:18] <flaccid> so add nosplash vga=0x0f05 noacpi noscsi (to the end of the entry)
[04:18] <flaccid> yep kernel line ^^
[04:18] <chrisrogers> have to keep scsi on, using sata drives
[04:18] <flaccid> np
[04:19] <chrisrogers> ok, brb guys thanks
[04:19] <intelikey> chrisrogers as i stated try the first then the second...  not both  cause you wont know which helped...
[04:19] <chrisrogers> but if i turn off scsi then won't my sata drives not work?
[04:20] <intelikey> hopefully you wont get that far down the list... :)
[04:20] <chrisrogers> ok
[04:20] <chrisrogers> so try each one seperately?
[04:20] <intelikey> yes
[04:20] <chrisrogers> ok brb guys thanks
[04:21] <thadbry> has anyone had a problem with updates since installing 8.04?
[04:21] <flaccid> i'd do the first 3 to see if it does anything then eliminate it down from there if it does succeed. thats just what i would do but to save time
[04:21] <flaccid> intelikey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/222298 :(
[04:22] <intelikey> flaccid yeah that would work too but i'm thinking that your first guess is probably right.    ati + fbcon !
[04:22] <flaccid> lol the fb is your first guess
[04:22] <flaccid> at this point my money is on the driver
[04:23] <intelikey> well the dirver selddom does that with fbcon not in use though
[04:24] <flaccid> intelikey: his xorg log showed a lot warnings which i don't think would be related to fb
[04:24] <intelikey> flaccid is that bug supposed to be related ?
[04:25] <mot_> what repo do i need to enable to get libdvdcss? can't play dvds =\
[04:26] <flaccid> intelikey: negative
[04:26] <intelikey> !dvd
[04:26] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[04:26] <mot_> thanks
[04:26] <flaccid> !info libdvdcss | mot_
[04:26] <ubotu> mot_: Package libdvdcss does not exist in hardy
[04:26] <flaccid> dang
[04:26] <mot_> yea, i know i need libdvdcss
[04:26] <mot_> but it's not in the official repos
[04:26] <flaccid> !info libdvdcss2
[04:26] <ubotu> Package libdvdcss2 does not exist in hardy
[04:26] <flaccid> dang. sorry i bb in 10mins
[04:26] <intelikey> i'd check the page    ^
[04:27] <olrrai> hello
[04:28] <chrisrogers> ok finally figured out how to do the nosplash vga thingy
[04:28] <chrisrogers> nothing out of the ordinary on startup
[04:28] <GothicD3vil> hello
[04:28] <chrisrogers> here we go with shutdown
[04:28] <GothicD3vil> hey can i ask something?
[04:28] <olrrai> anyone try kubuntu 8.04 remix?
[04:28] <intelikey> you just did
[04:28] <GothicD3vil> not yet
 hey can i ask something?  <- question #1
[04:29] <GothicD3vil> hey I'm from Puerto Rico and here Linux Kubuntun is not that famous, how can i get programs for it?
[04:29] <intelikey> !packages | GothicD3vil
[04:29] <ubotu> GothicD3vil: You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords or regex>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[04:30] <GothicD3vil> thanks i'm new using this
[04:30] <olrrai> GothicD3vil: los puedes bajar de internet con algun gestor de paquetes
[04:30] <mot_> man
[04:30] <mot_> i still can't find repos with w32codecs and libdvdcss3
[04:31] <GothicD3vil> gracias estoy bajando el OS ahora y pues intentare instalarlo ya q solo se bregar con Mac y Win
[04:32] <intelikey> mot_  i can not verify that they are avalable for hardy (i'm on dapper)  but if so that first url "http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html" should have a link to what you want.
[04:34] <soulrider> !effects
[04:34] <ubotu> Desktop Effects are supported on graphics cards that use the default Intel and ATI drivers and the restricted !NVIDIA drivers, except for the following, which are blacklisted due to stability/compatibility issues: Intel 965, ATI Rs480 and Rv350, ATI Mobility x300, x600 and x700 - Join #compiz-fusion for anything not officially supported by Ubuntu
[04:34] <olrrai> anyone try kubuntu 8.04 remix? How is it going?
[04:34] <mot_> nah
[04:34] <maduser> kde4 remix?
[04:34] <mot_> i need w32codecs and libdvdcss
[04:34] <thadbry> I'm using kubuntu 8.04
[04:34] <mot_> and can't find any current working repos with them :(
[04:34] <thadbry> not well so far
[04:35] <olrrai> Kubuntu 8.04 with KDE 4.0
[04:35] <stdin> mot_: they should be available in medibuntu repos
[04:35] <stdin> !medibuntu
[04:35] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[04:35] <fulat2k> hi folks, i've enabled desktop effects.  however, alt-f4 doesn't work.  all other combos work.  any ideas?
[04:36] <intelikey> mot_ and if they aren't in medibuntu repo for hardy, then just follow that page and grap a .deb and install it.    you do know how to install a debian package don't you?
[04:36] <mot_> yea
[04:37] <stdin> intelikey: we even have a GUI for that now ;)
[04:37] <stdin> called gdebi
[04:37] <stdin> grabs deps too, quite nice
[04:37] <intelikey> thought they had a kdeb too ?
[04:38] <stdin> they split it, gdebi-{core,gtk,kde}
[04:38] <intelikey> ah ok.
[04:39] <intelikey> lets see. how hard would it be to script that....     dpkg -i "$@" && apt-get install -f
[04:40] <Dr_willis> That wont get the dependencies I thought.
[04:40] <rignes> Hello everyone.
[04:40] <stdin> yeah, but it can check if the deps are available
[04:40] <rignes> Anyone here  having trouble installing add-ons in firefox 2 in hardy?
[04:40] <stdin> and it's in ubuntulang, er I mean python
[04:40] <intelikey> stdin oh pre-checking deps would take a little more code... but not a lot.
[04:40] <Brotherred> does kubuntu come with slmodem in the repos? Will it scan and recognize most modems on install?
[04:41] <thadbry> rignes:  I was having problems with firefox 2, I used firefox 3 that comes standard now, uninstalled the add-ons that weren't working, and then reinstalled them and everything seems to work fine now
[04:41] <intelikey> !info slmodem
[04:41] <ubotu> Package slmodem does not exist in hardy
[04:41] <Brotherred> I mean does kubuntu have scan modem in the install scripts?
[04:41] <stdin> Brotherred: I think that's in the restricted-drivers package
[04:42] <stdin> and the sl-modem-daemon pacakge
[04:42] <intelikey> Brotherred ah scanmodem   yeah
[04:42] <chrisrogers> i'm back
[04:42] <flaccid> wb
[04:42] <Brotherred> it has scanmodem? cool
[04:42] <chrisrogers> none of those worked, but i did find something interesting
[04:42] <Brotherred> that is some thing anyway
[04:43] <rignes> thadbry: Thanks, but I'm trying to install an addon that won't work on Firefox 3 yet.  So I'm sort of stuck on 2. :(
[04:43] <flaccid> Brotherred: did you check restricted drivers
[04:43] <Brotherred> I just now thought of it
[04:43] <chrisrogers> intelikey: i tried those and none seemed to work, but i did figure something interesting out
[04:43] <intelikey> Brotherred no. it doesn't have "scanmodem" package, it has sl-modem-daemon
[04:44] <Brotherred> will be hogging the repos on every level first chance I get later today
[04:44] <thadbry> rignes:  have you tried what I suggested, I thought Firebug wasn't supported on 3, but it is
[04:44] <intelikey> chrisrogers i'm all ears
[04:44] <Brotherred> sounds even better
[04:45] <chrisrogers> intelikey: when the screen goes black, i can override the freeze by hitting my power button a crapload of times, but then it restarts no matter what option i choose
[04:45] <Brotherred> rings: HI from lottalinuxlinks and tllts
[04:45] <chrisrogers> intelikey: eariler on
[04:46] <Brotherred> ringes: he
[04:46] <Brotherred> hi
[04:46] <rignes> Brotherred: Hey.
[04:46] <chrisrogers> intelikey: looks like that's my only option if i want to do anything, shutdown, restart, anything i'll just hve to do that
[04:46] <baudthief> my dist-upgrade appears to be hanging on "setting up wvdial", it's said 2 mins remaining for the past 20mins
[04:46] <intelikey> chrisrogers normally pressing and holding for about 10 seconds the power button will do that.    that's known as "hard reset"
[04:46] <rignes> I don't remember see you in those other channels, unless you go by a name different that you have your nick set to now.
[04:46] <flaccid> chrisrogers: tried the ati drivers from official site yet?
[04:46] <flaccid> intelikey: hard power off/shutdown :p
[04:47] <Brotherred> you been using Kubuntu long?
[04:47] <Brotherred> nope I seen you there with this name of mine
[04:47] <intelikey> flaccid ummm maybe i was hitting it more than one time then holding   lol
[04:47] <Brotherred> or while using this name
[04:47] <flaccid> hehe
[04:47] <intelikey> sorry.
[04:47] <xoqa> umm... how do you go dual screen?
[04:47] <Brotherred> something
[04:47] <flaccid> atx 2 specification
[04:47] <xoqa> i just plugged in my crt to the ol lappy
[04:47] <xoqa> should i restart X?
[04:48] <flaccid> xoqa: configure via system settings | display and monitor
[04:49] <intelikey> chrisrogers ok.  i have one other thing that you might test quickly.   (might need to check with flaccid, to make sure that the config isn't rewriten each boot) but you can change the vidio "driver  ati" to "driver  vesa"   and test that.
[04:50] <xoqa> flaccid: hmm.. it doesn't show my seperate monitor there
[04:50] <intelikey> in /etc/X11/xorg.conf     ^
[04:50] <flaccid> intelikey: i think you were not alive before. using vesa and ati works
[04:50] <flaccid> xoqa: there is an option to enable dual display
[04:50] <intelikey> oh he did that already ?
[04:50] <intelikey> sorry i did miss that.
[04:50] <flaccid> yeah.. thus why i suspect its the fglrx driver specifically
[04:50] <flaccid> np y0
[04:51] <flaccid> i suspect many people upgrading as mirrors are slow
[04:51] <intelikey> then yes if not using the frame buffer with it.  doesn't fix it.    change drivers.
[04:51] <chrisrogers> ok i'm back
[04:51] <flaccid> wb
[04:51] <chrisrogers> temporary internet outage
[04:52] <chrisrogers> storms like crazy here
[04:52] <chrisrogers> anyway
[04:52] <flaccid> joy
[04:52] <intelikey> chrisrogers ok flaccid updated me on more of what all you have tested.    change your display driver.
[04:52] <chrisrogers> intelikey: to what?
[04:52] <chrisrogers> intelikey: i've tried every one out there
[04:52] <chrisrogers> intelikey: i think
[04:52] <flaccid> chrisrogers: just make sure you remove the repos fglrx before installing the official one
[04:53] <intelikey> use vesa  if you have to until there is a fix.
[04:53] <flaccid> chrisrogers: you tried 8.4 from http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeon.html ?
[04:53] <xoqa> flaccid: in the hardware tab?
[04:53] <flaccid> xoqa: yes
[04:53] <chrisrogers> flaccid: yea it didn't even pick up i had an ati video card, must not have configured it right
[04:53] <chrisrogers> flaccid: after installation
[04:53] <flaccid> xoqa: enable in hardware tab then enable in size tab
[04:54] <intelikey> lshw -C vidio
[04:54] <flaccid> chrisrogers: that doesn't tell us the specific issue at all
[04:54] <xoqa> flaccid: not seeing it
[04:54] <chrisrogers> flaccid: what specific issue?
[04:54] <chrisrogers> flaccid: you know my issue
[04:54] <chrisrogers> flaccid: :D
[04:54] <flaccid> 'didn't even pick it up'
[04:54] <flaccid> you wouldn't even get to your issue..
[04:55] <flaccid> intelikey:  [12:55] <chrisrogers> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M76 [Radeon Mobility HD 2600 Series]
[04:55] <rignes> Oh well, it's not permissions stopping me from installing any extensions in firefox-2
[04:55] <xoqa> flaccid: http://bayimg.com/CajcOAAbi
[04:55] <intelikey> arrrr it's called display     -C display    sorry
[04:56] <chrisrogers> i'm just going to have to deal with this myself aren't i
[04:56] <flaccid> xoqa: have you restarted X ? you will need to do that because it doesn't pick it up dynamically
[04:56] <xoqa> ah
[04:56] <xoqa> heh, that's what i asked earlier :)
[04:56] <xoqa> brb
[04:56] <flaccid> chrisrogers: no. we will help you if you install the official driver.
[04:56] <chrisrogers> i wish there was a number i could call or something with the people who created this stuff on the other end
[04:56] <flaccid> chrisrogers: you can pay canonical for support iirc
[04:56] <chrisrogers> no ty
[04:56] <intelikey> chrisrogers call ati
[04:57] <intelikey> they did it.
[04:57] <flaccid> or you can just do what we said and we can help once you have installed it
[04:57] <intelikey> wasn't the open source community that made your system this hard to deal with.
[04:57] <flaccid> xoqa: which driver are you using ?
[04:57] <chrisrogers> intelikey: flaccid: i am trying to tell you, i have the official linux fglrx driver installed, not the ati one
[04:58] <flaccid> chrisrogers: thats not what you said before
[04:58] <baudthief> I think update-manager killed my machine
[04:58] <flaccid> that doesn't make sense
[04:58] <flaccid> you said it was from the repos, i want you to remove that and install from ati's site
[04:59] <xoqa> ah suweeeet
[04:59] <baudthief> wvdial failed to upgrade, just hanged for over 30 mins - I got a few prompts saying my machine might be unsuable, and it's going to run dpkg --reconfigure, it did, then it crashed
[04:59] <xoqa> it detected it automatically
[04:59] <xoqa> wish i could assign the new screen to workspace 2
[04:59] <xoqa> flaccid: i'll look
[04:59] <flaccid> xoqa: thats a relief
[04:59] <baudthief> now everytime I try to sudo something, it says "unable to resolve host baudthief"
[04:59] <xoqa> flaccid: not really sure.. i think radeon
[04:59] <chrisrogers> flaccid: the ones from the repositories
[04:59] <intelikey> chrisrogers flaccid has been telling you for, ever sense i got here, to install the "official ati driver"
[04:59] <xoqa> ati
[04:59] <chrisrogers> intelikey: from the ati website?
[04:59] <flaccid> chrisrogers: i've been asking you to try the offical driver direct from the site for quite a while now
[04:59] <intelikey> chrisrogers yes
[05:00] <rignes> Ok, I'm totally stumped.  Google searches aren't turning anything up.  Anyone else here manage to get any extensions at all to install in firefox-2?
[05:00] <flaccid> here is the link again lol http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeon.html
[05:00] <chrisrogers> intelikey: the last time i tried this file, it wouldn't come up that i had an ati card
[05:00] <chrisrogers> intelikey: i don't know if i configured it right or not or whatever
[05:00] <flaccid> chrisrogers: like i said we can help you with that once its installed
[05:00] <chrisrogers> intelikey: how do you install a run file again
[05:00] <flaccid> exactly chrisrogers could of been user error...
[05:00]  * chrisrogers jumps from the thunder
[05:00] <flaccid> chrisrogers: you must remove fglrx first! use sudo sh /file.sh
[05:00] <flaccid> i mean sudo sh ./file.bin
[05:01] <intelikey> chrisrogers   bash path/to/file.run
[05:01] <xoqa> flaccid: anywhos.. not seeing the dualscreen option
[05:01] <chrisrogers> intelikey: thank you, that's the right extention
[05:01] <xoqa> the monitor says "unknown" still
[05:01] <intelikey> flaccid ummm is dash or bash linked th sh now ?
[05:01] <xoqa> and g.card ati
[05:01] <flaccid> chrisrogers: read the instructions.. https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_cat84-inst.html
[05:01] <flaccid> intelikey: no idea, sh should be fine for a compiled binary
[05:02] <baudthief> guys... help, I cant sudo, and if I reboot, my machine will break
[05:02] <intelikey> hehhe that's a fix you are in there baudthief
[05:02] <flaccid> intelikey: the ati doco suggests using sh command
[05:02] <intelikey> baudthief what did you do to it ?
[05:03] <chrisrogers> flaccid: i did all that, but idk how to use the aticonfig command at all
[05:03] <baudthief> dist-upgrade crashed, it tried to run dpkg --reconfigure, but that crashed too
[05:03] <chrisrogers> brb
[05:03] <baudthief> now everytime i try and sudo, it says "sudo: unable to resolve host baudthief"
[05:03] <baudthief> so I cant correct the problem ;\
[05:03] <flaccid> chrisrogers: idk? um like i said we can help you once this is set up. we need specific errors to help otherwise the scope is millions of possibilities
[05:03] <intelikey> flaccid ok.   i was just reflecting on the many file.* installers that borked on sh cause they aren't really posix complient.
[05:04] <intelikey> baudthief hostname
[05:04] <flaccid> intelikey: ouch. yeah i come from bsd so we generally look for a the particular shell requirement that sh can't provide heh
[05:05] <baudthief> hostname returns "baudthief"
[05:06] <baudthief> I'm screwed aren't I?
[05:06] <intelikey> baudthief i'm trying to recall what exactly that error is telling us.  i think it is a variable not set correctly, just can't recall exactly what to fix.   and it probably wouldn't matter.  you can't fix anything without root access anyway
[05:07] <flaccid> yeah um whats the problem baudthief
[05:07] <intelikey> broke sudo
[05:07] <baudthief> flaccid: dist-upgrade crashed out, tried to recover, then it crashed again, now sudo wont work
[05:07] <chrisrogers> broken module now that i removed fglrx driver
[05:07] <flaccid> right. did you check /etc/sudoers to make sure it is right and that you are in the admin group?
[05:07] <jermain> !compiz
[05:07] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[05:08] <baudthief> flaccid: I cant do that without sudo'ing :P
[05:08] <flaccid> chrisrogers: what do you mean? i don't expect fglrx to work until the repos one is remove, the new one installed and then rebooted
[05:08] <flaccid> baudthief: you never set a root password?
[05:08] <intelikey> baudthief you can look.    cat /etc/sudoers
[05:08] <intelikey> not that it helps.
[05:08] <chrisrogers> "The module Monitor & Display could not be loaded."
[05:08] <flaccid> its protected intelikey
[05:08] <baudthief> intelikey: permission denied
[05:09] <intelikey> flaccid ? really.   didn't use to be
[05:09] <baudthief> flaccid: I have, everything (including sudo) was fine before dist-upgrade
[05:09] <flaccid> chrisrogers: where is that coming from?
[05:09] <chrisrogers> flaccid: system settings, clicked on Monitor & Display
[05:09] <flaccid> baudthief: what does it say in /var/log/messages after trying sudo?
[05:09] <flaccid> chrisrogers: why are you going there?
[05:09] <chrisrogers> flaccid: it's not even using the generic driver right now
[05:09] <Ketrel> Question, is there any reason Pidgin isn't installed with all of its dependencies?
[05:10] <flaccid> chrisrogers: isn't that the aim of this procedure?
[05:10] <chrisrogers> flaccid: to make sure that the fglrx driver is gone and it was using the generic one again
[05:10] <chrisrogers> how do you reinstall a module
[05:10] <baudthief> ok that was weird, it just started working again, I'm root
[05:10] <baudthief> hooray!
[05:10] <intelikey> flaccid on baudthief's issue.   he showed the cli error message  "it says "sudo: unable to resolve host baudthief""
[05:10] <flaccid> chrisrogers: don't call it generic. you can only verify for real what is being used etc. by looking in the log. kubuntu only supports the repos driver so i wouldn't expect the gui front end to handle it
[05:11] <flaccid> baudthief: what does host -v baudthief return?
[05:11] <chrisrogers> i forgot what the driver is called, V something
[05:11] <intelikey> baudthief and flaccid i have see a hostname issue cause that.  with nothing wrong with the "sudoers/root jr." stuff.
[05:11] <baudthief> flaccid: Host baudthief not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
[05:12] <baudthief> I managed to somehow get "sudo su -" working, and am now root
[05:12] <flaccid> baudthief: it wants resolution via dns it seems. i guess need to change lookup order if you don't have it in dns
[05:12] <baudthief> I tried that maybe 3 times before to no effect, then it just started working
[05:12] <intelikey> ah /etc/hosts or /etc/hostname   not set correctly
[05:12] <chrisrogers> flaccid: i forgot what the driver is called, V something
[05:12] <Mikau> hi
[05:12] <leo_rockw> hello Mikau
[05:13] <intelikey> needs 127.0.0.1 localnost   > ^
[05:13] <Mikau> can you help me with amarok?
[05:13] <Mikau> it doesn't play mp3 files...
[05:13] <intelikey> i remember now.     it's a messed up localhost
[05:13] <chrisrogers> .run file again intelikey
[05:14] <flaccid> chrisrogers: do a sudo aticonfig --initial -f and then restart X and then pastebin both xorg.conf and the log for me
[05:14] <flaccid> yeah you are most probably right intelikey as defaults is hosts then dns iirc in ubuntu
[05:14] <leo_rockw> !pm | Mikau
[05:14] <ubotu> Mikau: Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can also benefit AND help you. Please don't PM a user in the channel without asking first, some find it rude.
[05:14] <chrisrogers> !.run
[05:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about run - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:14] <Leeuw> Mikau: it probably needs the codec for that; go to install applications and search for mp3; then install the codecs you find
[05:15] <chrisrogers> !run
[05:15] <chrisrogers> damnit
[05:15] <intelikey> flaccid yes i have broken su/sudo that way myself a time or three.   it's a hostname issue.
[05:15] <Mikau> ok...
[05:15] <flaccid> chrisrogers: whats the problem?
[05:15] <baudthief> intelikey: you're right, /etc/hosts somehow stuffed up
[05:15] <intelikey> chrisrogers    bash path/to/file.run
[05:15] <intelikey> chrisrogers sudo it
[05:15] <chrisrogers> thanks
[05:15] <intelikey> baudthief welcome.
[05:16] <flaccid> for ubuntu you want 127.0.0.1       localhost and 127.0.1.1       computername in /etc/hosts
[05:16] <leo_rockw> Mikau: it's not legal to include mp3 codecs in the base installation
[05:16] <flaccid> canonical hostnames should have dns resolution as a best practice
[05:16] <Mikau> Leeuw: can you tell me where i can find that application?
[05:16] <intelikey> flaccid can bee one line.     127.0.0.1 localhost my_special_name.blah_blah_blah
[05:17] <flaccid> no it can't, they are different IP addresses in this case
[05:17] <baudthief> intelikey: but now this other problem lol, I'm afraid to restart - is it possible to get update-manager to pick up where it left off? already did 'dpkg --configure -a'
[05:17] <leo_rockw> Mikau: amarok should ask you if you want to install mp3 support the first time you try to play and mp3
[05:17] <Y-Town> anyone know the command in 8.04 to rebuild x on kde4?
[05:17] <chrisrogers> flaccid:
[05:17] <Mikau> o..
[05:17] <Mikau> ok
[05:17] <chrisrogers> chrisrogers@ubuntu:~/Desktop$ aticonfig --initial -f
[05:17] <chrisrogers> Uninitialised file found, configuring.
[05:17] <chrisrogers> Using /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:17] <chrisrogers> Saved back-up to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.original-1
[05:17] <chrisrogers> aticonfig: Writing to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' failed. Bad file descriptor.
[05:17] <chrisrogers> chrisrogers@ubuntu:~/Desktop$
[05:17] <Leeuw> Mikau, go to start menu, start add/ remove applications, then type mp3 in the search box, you should find some codecs then
[05:18] <Leeuw> Mikau: I' ll check myself too
[05:18] <Mikau> ok
[05:18] <stdin> !paste > chrisrogers
[05:18] <intelikey> flaccid always worked for me and i have done that several times. several machines flaccid    but you are probably right, it's probably a bad advice!
[05:18] <flaccid> chrisrogers: try under sudo please chrisrogers
[05:18] <flaccid> intelikey: negative. tbh i don't know why ubuntu uses 127.0.1.1
[05:18] <Leeuw> Mikau: correction: it' s add/remove programs
[05:18] <chrisrogers> flaccid: ok that worked, now what
[05:18] <Mikau> ... i cant start that because it's upgrading.. (Adept, isn't it?)
[05:18] <phil_> can anyone helpo me switch screen resolutions?
[05:18] <chrisrogers> flaccid: restart x?
[05:18] <flaccid> chrisrogers: yes
[05:18] <leo_rockw> Mikau: wait until it's done
[05:19] <chrisrogers> stdin: sorry man
[05:19] <Mikau> ok..
[05:19] <Mikau> it will take a loooong time...
[05:19] <Mikau> i just finished installing kubuntu here
[05:19] <leo_rockw> Mikau: play some ogg vorbis in the meantime :-)
[05:19] <Mikau> ok...
[05:19] <Mikau> i'll try to find any...
[05:19] <leo_rockw> Mikau: download some music from jamendo.com
[05:19] <Leeuw> Mikau: you' ll find the Gstreamer codecs, is there a tick in he box ?   If there' s not, that's the problem; install them and it should work (maybe needs a restart, probably not)
[05:19] <Y-Town> anyone know the command to rebuild the x server?
[05:20]  * baudthief cries
[05:20] <baudthief> I'm afraid to reboot lol
[05:20] <Mikau> ok... i'll try that later...
[05:20] <leo_rockw> Y-Town: it's in your xorg.conf
[05:20] <intelikey> flaccid oh   maybe i was not clear     i have   127.0.0.1 localhost something   \n 192.168.*.* something      didn't mean    that it had only one line.   just that it can resolv your hostname to the 127.0.0.1 and to localhost on one line.
[05:20] <leo_rockw> Y-Town: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[05:20] <Mikau> but do i have to pay to download music from "jamendo.com"?
[05:20] <Y-Town> leo_rockw: thanks
[05:20] <leo_rockw> Y-Town: np
[05:20] <Mikau> ok
[05:20] <leo_rockw> Mikau: nope
[05:20] <Mikau> 10x
[05:21] <leo_rockw> Mikau: it's all creative commons
[05:21] <intelikey> and i drifted off topic didn't i.
[05:21] <phil_> is there a gui option somewhere to switch screen resolutions?
[05:21] <flaccid> intelikey: yep thats normal on unix, but not sure why ubuntu uses 127.0.1.1 ... for the canonical hostname
[05:21] <flaccid> phil_: system settings | monitor and display
[05:21] <intelikey> flaccid me either.
[05:21] <flaccid> lol ah well hehe
[05:22] <Leeuw> Mikau: please use the name of the person you're talking too at the start, makes it less confusing and gives an attention sound to that person (he may be doing something else too); just type two or three begin letters, then press tab to get the whole name
[05:22] <rignes> For anyone who noticed my question before, i worked out how to fix that firefox-2 error when installing extensions.
[05:23] <Mikau> Leeuw: ok... actually, it's the first time i talk on konversation...
[05:23] <leo_rockw> Mikau: IRC is fun! :-P
[05:23] <rignes> The trouble seems to have come from the fact that I ran firefox 3 and then tried to run firefox-2 w/ the 3.0b5 .mozilla directory.   I nuked that directory and started over.  Now I can install extensions.
[05:23] <phil_> it's saying it's trying the new screen size and giving the timer bar but the size is the same
[05:23] <Mikau> leo_rockw: yep...
[05:23] <intelikey> multi-player notepad
[05:24] <phil_> I got stuck with 640 x 480 when my daughter presses something wrong in tuxmath fullscreen mode
[05:24] <Mikau> leo_rockw: hey.. do you know how to write in japanese/chinese/korean in kubuntu?
[05:24] <Leeuw> Mikau: no problem, we've all been here for the first time once, I' m kinda new to it myself; someone taught me too, that's what it' s about, isn' t it ?  <tańcze>
[05:24] <intelikey> phil_ maybe ctrl+alt++ ?
[05:24] <leo_rockw> intelikey: no, that would be gobby :-P
[05:25] <intelikey> gobby ?
[05:25] <leo_rockw> Mikau: you need to install scim or one of those. i had it working before (just for kicks) but i don't really remember how to do it
[05:25] <leo_rockw> intelikey: multiplayer-notepad
[05:25] <Mikau> leo_rockw: ok...
[05:25] <intelikey> leo_rockw never heard of gobby. sorry.
[05:25] <Mikau> leo_rockw: but where can i find that scim?
[05:25] <baudthief> personal settings/files/etc are pretty much installed int ~/home right?
[05:26] <leo_rockw> intelikey: it's a collaborative text editor. i was just kidding
[05:26] <baudthief> *in
[05:26] <intelikey> !info scim | Mikau
[05:26] <ubotu> mikau: scim (source: scim): smart common input method platform. In component main, is optional. Version 1.4.7-3ubuntu8 (hardy), package size 718 kB, installed size 1992 kB
[05:26] <leo_rockw> Mikau: everything is in the repos
[05:26] <leo_rockw> Mikau: but i don't know if that's exactly what you need
[05:26] <leo_rockw> !info gobby | intelikey
[05:26] <ubotu> intelikey: gobby (source: gobby): collaborative text editor. In component main, is optional. Version 0.4.6-3 (hardy), package size 482 kB, installed size 1704 kB
[05:27] <leo_rockw> but irc is better... :-P
[05:27] <intelikey> toshe
[05:27] <Mikau> leo_rockw: is there anything else to write asias characters?
[05:27] <leo_rockw> Mikau: i'm pretty sure there is, i just don't remember. i speak spanish :-P
[05:27] <leo_rockw> Mikau: i only got it working once, just to see how it was done, then i forgot about it and never documented it
[05:28] <Mikau> leo_rockw: and i speak portuguese...
[05:28] <intelikey> !pr
[05:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pr - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:28] <intelikey> ooops.
[05:28] <leo_rockw> either pt or br :-P
[05:29] <intelikey> yeah pt was what i was thinking of.
[05:29] <leo_rockw> Mikau: there's an ubuntu forums administrator who lives in japan. he has a blog, i'm pretty sure he explains how to make that work on ubuntu... lemme get you the url
[05:29] <leo_rockw> Mikau: http://kmandla.wordpress.com see if you can find some information there
[05:30] <baudthief> is /home the only "important" dir I should back up, as in, files/settings for evolution etc
[05:30] <intelikey> $HOME is.
[05:30] <intelikey> which is normally /home/your_name/
[05:30] <phil_> thank for the help everyone :D all good after a restart :)
[05:30] <baudthief> yup, sorry, meant ~/home heh
[05:30] <Mikau> leo_rockw: i WAS going to use ubuntu...
[05:31] <baudthief> or rather ~/
[05:31] <Mikau> leo_rockw: but it wasn't opening mp3!!
[05:31] <intelikey> ~ == $HOME
[05:31] <leo_rockw> Mikau: it can't open mp3 for legal reasons. you need to install a package to make it work
[05:31] <baudthief> cool
[05:31] <Leeuw> Mikau: did check for that codec ?
[05:31] <Mikau> Leeuw: not yet..
[05:32] <intelikey> baudthief i normally use $HOME because dir names can have the tild char in them.
[05:32] <leo_rockw> ~ sweet ~
[05:32] <intelikey> cuts down on confusion
[05:32] <Leeuw> try it, be sure to tick the box on the right: proprietary software, you' ll find it, then it will work.   You' re looking for gstreamer codecs
[05:33] <Leeuw> Mikau:  try it, be sure to tick the box on the right: proprietary software, you' ll find it, then it will work.   You' re looking for gstreamer codecs
[05:33] <Mikau> ok
[05:33] <Mikau> Leeuw: ok...
[05:33] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: amarok should prompt him to install the codecs and do it automagically
[05:33] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: problem is he's already installing stuff
[05:33]  * intelikey is not a fan of "automagic krap"
[05:34] <Leeuw> leo_rockw:  ok, so he' s not finished downloading...   I thought he had..
[05:34] <rignes> Is there a Automatix or easyubuntu replacement?
[05:34] <leo_rockw> intelikey: neither am , but in his case would be the best
[05:34] <flaccid> rignes: yes. kubuntu
[05:34] <flaccid> well adept manager
[05:34] <intelikey> rignes it's called "restricted drivers"  i think
[05:34] <Odd-rationale> rignes: kubuntu-restricted-extras
[05:34] <Leeuw> leo_rockw: so if you' re downloading the autoprompting for codec get's f* d ?
[05:34] <rignes> ahhh ok.
[05:34] <flaccid> yeah that package
[05:34] <Odd-rationale> rignes: and jockey-kde
[05:34] <intelikey> restricted-extras  sorry
[05:35] <rignes> apt-get install restricted-extras?
[05:35] <intelikey> no.
[05:35] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: i'm guessing it will try to install and tell you you can't because apt is already being used
[05:35] <intelikey> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[05:35] <Odd-rationale> rignes: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[05:35] <rignes> Gotcha.
[05:35] <rignes> Thanks.
[05:35] <Odd-rationale> intelikey: beat you!
[05:35] <intelikey> beet ya
[05:35] <Leeuw> leo_rockw: I was already wondering why the auto-thing hadn' t happened, that's probably it
[05:35] <Odd-rationale> [23:35:25] <Odd-rationale> rignes: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[05:35] <Odd-rationale> [23:35:26] <intelikey> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[05:36] <leo_rockw> rignes: unless you wanted a destructive equivalent of automatix :-P
[05:36] <intelikey> not on my screen
[05:36] <Odd-rationale> I was one sec faster
[05:36] <Leeuw> leo_rockw: thought he might' ve missed it, many people do for some reason
[05:36] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: hardy was my first fresh install since the automagic thing was included. it worked perfectly for me.
[05:36] <rignes> leo_rockw: No, don't want destructive. ;)
[05:37] <flaccid> Odd-rationale: i guess you don't know how irc works..
[05:37] <intelikey> Odd-rationale you are lagging.
[05:37] <rignes> Does the restricted extras include win32 codecs?  I imagine not.
[05:37] <Leeuw> leo_rockw: although linux users are genrally better at reading dialogs than the  win-people where I work; the auto worked fine for me too, did so in Gutsy as well; it's beautiful, luvvit
[05:37] <Odd-rationale> i know... 1 sec lag... :(
[05:37] <Leeuw> leo_rockw: one of the plusses of (k)ubuntu
[05:37] <leo_rockw> rignes: medibuntu does...
[05:38] <rignes> Thanks.
[05:38] <leo_rockw> rignes: idk if restricted extras does too
[05:38] <leo_rockw> i doubt it
[05:38] <chrisrogers> flaccid: ok i'm back
[05:38] <flaccid> wb
[05:38] <intelikey> flaccid which did actually post first ?   cause i might be lagging a little too ?
[05:38] <chrisrogers> flaccid: ok i'm back
[05:38] <chrisrogers> flaccid: more problems tho
[05:38] <flaccid> intelikey: on my screen it was you
[05:39] <Odd-rationale> :'(
[05:39] <leo_rockw> intelikey: you won on my end. i have 358ms of lag atm
[05:39] <flaccid> 217ms here
[05:39] <flaccid> chrisrogers: what are they
[05:39] <intelikey> .325 here
[05:39] <chrisrogers> flaccid: got the ati driver installed, works beatuifully, but now when i enable compiz it turns the whole screen white and i can't use it at all
[05:40] <leo_rockw> chrisrogers: did you enable aiglx and composite in xorg.conf?
[05:40] <flaccid> chrisrogers: compiz is dead. what kubuntu version is this?
[05:40] <chrisrogers> leo_rockw: no clue
[05:40] <leo_rockw> chrisrogers: and did you include fglrx in compiz whitelist?
[05:40] <flaccid> chrisrogers: usually there is a little more config for compiz fusion etc.
[05:40] <glyphy> where is the xorg.conf that the DVD uses stored? the one in /etc/X11/ doesn't seem to have anything in it
[05:41] <Mikau> leo_rockw: hey ... i tried to open a mp3 file with amarok but when i click to install mp3 package, it stops working...
[05:41] <leo_rockw> Mikau: are you still installing something else?
[05:41] <Mikau> leo_rockw: nope
[05:41] <amit> Mikau: seems like you are using gutsy..it doesn't quite work in gutsy
[05:41] <chrisrogers> flaccid, leo_rockw how do i do all that stuff
[05:41] <intelikey> glyphy ?    you playing dvd's from the console ?
[05:41] <flaccid> !compiz-fusion | chrisrogers
[05:41] <ubotu> chrisrogers: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[05:41] <Mikau> amit: no... i'm using feisty faun...
[05:41] <leo_rockw> chrisrogers: you need to modify /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:42] <leo_rockw> Mikau: ooo, you're on feisty! that's why
[05:42] <amit> Mikau: have you tried installing libxine1-ffmpeg ?
[05:42] <glyphy> intelikey: i ran the hardy dvd and it got the x config right. my old one stopped working after the upgrade, so i'm trying to get back to a workable state
[05:42] <Mikau> amit: how do i do that?
[05:42] <chrisrogers> leo_rockw: what do i put in xorg.conf?
[05:42] <chrisrogers> leo_rockw: and where?
[05:42] <leo_rockw> chrisrogers: h/o
[05:42] <chrisrogers> leo_rockw: ok
[05:42] <flaccid> chrisrogers: please read the above link
[05:42] <intelikey> glyphy oh.  sorry.  i misunderstood you.   my bad.
[05:42] <amit> open up konsole -- type this-->  sudo apt-get install libxine1-ffmpeg
[05:43] <intelikey> glyphy it isn't stored on the dvd it's reconfigured each boot time.
[05:43] <Leeuw> leo_rockw: aha !  feisty...
[05:43] <glyphy> intelikey: it there any way to find out what the current settings are?
[05:43] <Mikau> amit: it isnt't working...
[05:43] <amit> Mikau: what's it say?
[05:43] <glyphy> also, i seem to remember there being a cmd-line for configuring x, but i can't remember it now. something like xconfig or something
[05:44] <Mikau> amit: well... i can't translate it exactly to english...
[05:44] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: that changes __everything__!
[05:44] <Mikau> amit: but
[05:44] <Mikau> amit: i'm gonna try..
[05:44] <amit> Mikau: you will have to enter your own password when its asks for it
[05:44] <Leeuw> leo_rockw: yep; do you know if feisty uses gstreamer ?
[05:44] <Mikau> amit: yeap
[05:44] <Mikau> i did that..
[05:44] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: i don't remember
[05:44] <Mikau> actually, the root pwd and mine are the same...
[05:45] <chrisrogers> my window's are moving, very .... slowly
[05:45] <Mikau> it was unable to lock administration directory..
[05:45] <leo_rockw> chrisrogers: http://paste-it.net/public/t30c820/
[05:45] <amit> Mikau: yes, because *buntu uses sudo
[05:45] <Leeuw> leo_rockw: hm... let's hope that apt get works, else the search for mp3 and codec in add/remove should do it ?
[05:45] <leo_rockw> chrisrogers: check if you have those
[05:45] <intelikey> glyphy you can boot to the non-GUI installation and login on a console and run    sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg   select the driver for your hardware or the   vesa (generic vga) driver   and  ctrl+alt+del should  fix you.   but i would sujest running    startx  to make sure rather than just rebooting.  saves time.
[05:45] <Mikau> amit: kubuntu?
[05:45] <amit> Mikau: seems like some another instance of apt-get is already running
[05:46] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: i never use add/remove :-P apt-cache search is how i roll
[05:46] <Mikau> how can i stop it?
[05:46] <Leeuw> leo_rockw: oh yeah, well I'm lazy ;-)
[05:46] <amit> Mikau: type this in konsole --> pidof apt-get
[05:46] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: me too, yakuake is faster :-P
[05:46] <Mikau> amit: and now?
[05:46] <intelikey> killall apt-get
[05:46] <Leeuw> leo_rockw: yakuwhat !
[05:46] <glyphy> intelikey: ok, i'll try that. thanks
[05:46] <leo_rockw> chrisrogers: you might need to put your driver in compiz whitelist too
[05:46] <flaccid> yakuake rox my sox except for the paste several lines bug that puts them on 1 line
[05:47] <chrisrogers> leo_rockw: how do i do that?
[05:47] <leo_rockw> !info yakuake | Leeuw
[05:47] <ubotu> leeuw: yakuake (source: yakuake): a Quake-style terminal emulator based on KDE Konsole technology. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.8.1-1ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 176 kB, installed size 1100 kB
[05:47] <chrisrogers> leo_rockw: lol
[05:47] <Mikau> it worked!!!
[05:47] <amit> Mikau: kill <number>
[05:47] <Mikau> amit: it worked!!!
[05:47] <chrisrogers> leo_rockw: and where is that xorg.conf file i forgot
[05:47] <leo_rockw> chrisrogers: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:47] <amit> Mikau: good :)
[05:47] <flaccid> chrisrogers: have you tried the link yet?
[05:47] <leo_rockw> chrisrogers: make a copy before you change it
[05:47] <chrisrogers> leo_rockw: thanks
[05:47] <chrisrogers> leo_rockw: ok
[05:47] <Mikau> amit: with that i'll be able to open mp3?
[05:47] <flaccid> the documentation is updated/written for a reason :0
[05:47] <Leeuw> leo_rockw: a konsole in quake-style ..?   Do you get to shoot the errors with a big gun ?
[05:47] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: if you're terminal addicted you'll love yakuake
[05:47] <amit> Mikau: you still have to install libxine1-ffmpeg
[05:48] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: it's a drop down console a shortcut away
[05:48] <Mikau> amit: noo... i mean... with libxine i'll be able to open mp3?
[05:48] <GothicD3vil> hey
[05:48] <amit> Mikau: if it still doesn't work, try this
[05:48] <amit> Mikau: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/108760
[05:48] <Leeuw> leo_rockw: Oh.. yeah, I' ll like that, I get fed up with opening the large window everytime for one command
[05:48] <Mikau> amit: with libxine i'll be able to open mp3?
[05:48] <amit> Mikau: seems lik there's a lotta trouble in getting feisty to run mp3s
[05:49] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: yakuake and katapult are my bread and butter
[05:49] <amit> Mikau: not sure man...seems like there's a bug...follow the link i have provided
[05:49] <Leeuw> leo_rockw: now I understand quake-style
[05:49] <Mikau> amit:
[05:49] <Mikau> amit: ok
[05:49] <leo_rockw> Mikau: why did you install feisty anyway... (just wondering)
[05:50] <Mikau> leo_rockw: well... i installed gutsy or something before... but i just can't work with gnome..
[05:50] <leo_rockw> chrisrogers: just to make sure... you're using ati's privative drivers, right?
[05:50] <leo_rockw> Mikau: there's ubuntu gutsy (gnome) and kubuntu gutsy (kde)
[05:50] <leo_rockw> Mikau: feisty is just an older version
[05:50] <Mikau> leo_rockw: and the only kde version of ubuntu i have is feisty
[05:50] <Leeuw> leo_rockw: ooooohhhh, that's coooollll, thanx !   now to check out catapult (never really bothered)
[05:50] <Leeuw>  <tańcze>
[05:51] <Mikau> leo_rockw: i didn't download feisty... i ordered it some months ago xD
[05:51] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: with katapult you press alt + space and you can call any app from the menues
[05:51] <amit> Mikau: you can always install the kde packages on ubuntu
[05:51] <leo_rockw> Mikau: some months ago must have been last year :-P
[05:51] <chrisrogers> leo_rockw: yes
[05:51] <amit> Mikau: that way you will have two DEs and you can use the one you like :P
[05:51] <chrisrogers> leo_rockw: nothing is smooth, scrolling, moving, nothing
[05:51] <Leeuw> leo_rockw: sheeezz, where have I been ?!?
[05:51] <Mikau> xD
[05:51] <leo_rockw> chrisrogers: yeah, that's the ati drivers for you
[05:52] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: hahaha
[05:52] <Leeuw> leo_rockw:  maybe I should read trhe kde intro...
[05:52] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: i increased your productivity 390%
[05:52]  * intelikey is yet to test that katapult thingy
[05:52] <Leeuw> leo_rockw: fershure
[05:52] <Mikau> leo_rockw: last year xD
[05:52] <Mikau> leo_rockw: is there any problem using 7.04?
[05:53] <Mikau> leo_rockw: any bug or something?
[05:53] <leo_rockw> Mikau: hardy came out yesterday, that's 2 versions after the one you have
[05:53] <amit> Leeuw: instead of using katapult, how about using Alt+F2 ? :P
[05:53] <chrisrogers> leo_rockw: so what do i do now, restart X?
[05:53] <leo_rockw> chrisrogers: yup
[05:53] <Leeuw> leo_rockw: I always hated the startmenu, especially with my double screen, it ends up on the other mon when it' s to big (and it is)
[05:53] <chrisrogers> leo_rockw: ok brb
[05:53] <leo_rockw> chrisrogers: and pray everything works
[05:53] <Mikau> leo_rockw: i know...
[05:53] <leo_rockw> amit: katapult is nicer :-D
[05:53] <Mikau> leo_rockw: i downloaded the beta version xD
[05:53] <leo_rockw> amit: and katapult has some extra features
[05:54] <amit> leo_rockw: hmm..it suggests :P
[05:54] <Leeuw> amit: that's cool too, not such a nice pic though...   is it built in kde ?  (katapult is extra deamon, right ?)
[05:54] <leo_rockw> amit: like a calculator, or spell checker
[05:54] <amit> Leeuw: yes...built-in.. nothing fancy
[05:54] <Leeuw> leo_rockw: what xtra f ?
[05:54] <leo_rockw> amit: autocomplete for all apps too
[05:55] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: katapult is an app, not a daemon
[05:55] <Odd-rationale> is there katapult for kde4? or has the kind of been replaces with alt+f2 ?
[05:55] <amit> leo_rockw: hmm...
[05:55] <chrisrogers> leo_rockw: still really jumpy on scrolling and moving windows, and i havn't tried compiz yet
[05:55] <leo_rockw> Odd-rationale: i think i saw it for kde... but i'm not possitive
[05:55] <Leeuw> amit, yeah, but if katapult is a deamon, switching it of lightens my sys, wich I always strive for... still waiting for the xtra opts though to make up my mind
[05:55] <Oleg_> People, how do I install ntfs-3g in kubuntu?
[05:55] <flaccid> !ntfs-3g | Oleg_
[05:55] <ubotu> Oleg_: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[05:55] <Leeuw> leo_rockw: app, ok, how did it end up in memory at start then ?
[05:55] <leo_rockw> Oleg_: what version of kubuntu? doesn't it come by default in hardy?
[05:56] <chrisrogers> leo_rockw: installing compiz back i'll let you know how it works
[05:56] <Oleg_> maybe
[05:56] <Odd-rationale> brb
[05:56] <Leeuw> leo_rockw: and if I don' t need the xtra's how do I remove it ?
[05:56] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: that's not a daemon, nor a service
[05:56] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: sudo apt-get remove --purge katapult
[05:56] <amit> Leeuw: autocomplete, calculator, spellcheck..i don't fancy that stuff, cuz I almost always know what I wanna run
[05:56] <GothicD3vil> kubuntu hardy have beryl?
[05:56] <leo_rockw> amit: me too... from katapult
[05:56] <trophyhead> hi all = )
[05:56] <leo_rockw> GothicD3vil: beryl doesn't exist anymore
[05:56] <Leeuw> leo_rockw: tell me about the xtra' s !?
[05:57] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: calculator, spellchecker
[05:57] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: autocomplete
[05:57] <amit> leo_rockw: yeah...but my system is like 256MB of RAM..so I am kinda striving to get rid of apps that are replaceable
[05:57] <GothicD3vil> and what can i use to play with the computer like beryl?
[05:57] <Leeuw> amit: I agree on spellcheck etc, I' vre my own built in at school long time ago, still works fine
[05:57] <Leeuw> leo_rockw: ok lol
[05:57] <chrisrogers> leo_rockw: should i have done sudo apt-get install compiz* ?
[05:57] <intelikey> !beryl
[05:57] <ubotu> Beryl has been merged with Compiz to form Compiz-Fusion.  New Beryl installs are discouraged. See also !compiz
[05:57] <leo_rockw> GothicD3vil: beryl and compiz came back together. we have compiz fusion now
[05:57] <Leeuw> leo_rockw: how do I xs them ?
[05:58] <chrisrogers> hey flaccid
[05:58] <leo_rockw> chrisrogers: compiz comes by default in hardy i believe
[05:58] <leo_rockw> chrisrogers: it's not on by default, just installed
[05:58] <Leeuw> leo_rockw: I love the autocompl though...
[05:58] <flaccid> heya chris
[05:58]  * flaccid is named chris as well
[05:58] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: yup, alt+f2 doesn't have that for all apps, just the ones you previously opened
[05:58] <chrisrogers> flaccid: how do i add my driver to the compiz trusted thing or whatever
[05:59] <intelikey> fordham
[05:59] <Leeuw> leo_rockw: ok, so it gets smarter... over sessions or per session ?
[05:59] <leo_rockw> chrisrogers: there should be a file in /usr/bin/compiz or smth like that
[05:59] <amit> Leeuw: thats true :)
[05:59] <chrisrogers> thanks leo
[05:59] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: idk, i stopped using alt+f2 since i got katapult
[05:59] <amit> Leeuw: over sessions
[05:59] <leo_rockw> !pm | GothicD3vil
[05:59] <ubotu> GothicD3vil: Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can also benefit AND help you. Please don't PM a user in the channel without asking first, some find it rude.
[05:59] <flaccid> intelikey: yeah anglo trash..
[05:59] <leo_rockw> GothicD3vil: that was beryl, but beryl is gone
[05:59] <chrisrogers> leo_rockw: what do i add to that file, fglrx?
[06:00] <leo_rockw> GothicD3vil: it was replaced by compiz-fusion, which is an upgraded version
[06:00] <leo_rockw> chrisrogers: exactly
[06:00] <chrisrogers> leo_rockw: nice, thanks
[06:00] <flaccid> chrisrogers: are you sure its needed. its usually not at all..
[06:00] <leo_rockw> chrisrogers: yeah, it might not be needed
[06:00] <chrisrogers> leo_rockw: well we'll see first
[06:00] <Leeuw> amit: leo_rockw  the jury's still out, think I' ll use' m both...   Still, I love kde, was on gnome for some time, switched & never went back...
[06:00] <flaccid> thats why we have the guide
[06:00] <chrisrogers> is there a command to turn off compiz?
[06:00] <flaccid> !compiz-fusion | chrisrogers
[06:00] <ubotu> chrisrogers: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[06:00] <leo_rockw> chrisrogers: kwin --replace
[06:00] <flaccid> its there ^^
[06:00] <Odd-rationale> chrisrogers: alt+f2 and type "kwin --replace
[06:00] <Odd-rationale> "
[06:00] <leo_rockw> flaccid: that's old, kubuntu comes w/ compiz installed in hardy
[06:01] <leo_rockw> flaccid: so it says in kubuntu's site
[06:01] <chrisrogers> leo_rockw: i really wish i could get my smooth mouse scrolling and window moving back
[06:01] <chrisrogers> anybody know why it's doing that?
[06:01] <leo_rockw> chrisrogers: i gave up on compiz a long time ago
[06:01] <Odd-rationale> It comes with a compiz installer, but not compiz itself...
[06:01] <Leeuw> flaccid: what WM does kde use then ?   it's own or something ?
[06:01] <Odd-rationale> Leeuw: kwin
[06:01] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: kwin
[06:02] <trophyhead> does kubuntu read parity or pre-fetch on my computer, should I enable this to have it work better or maybe even faster??
[06:02] <Leeuw> Odd-rationale: leo_rockwok, can I get more settings on that, like in compiz ?   Or do I need compiz then ?
[06:02] <leo_rockw> GothicD3vil: what video card do you have?
[06:02] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: kwin-kde4 has composite. kwin doesn't
[06:02] <flaccid> leo_rockw: sorry didn' know it was outdated
[06:02] <Odd-rationale> Leeuw: in kde4, kwin has its own compositing
[06:03] <flaccid> Leeuw: kwin
[06:03] <flaccid> oops
[06:03] <leo_rockw> flaccid: i asked about that a couple of days ago, otherwise i wouldn't have known :-P i don't use compiz
[06:03] <Leeuw> leo_rockw: now I understand why that thing with composite enable didn' t work...   Is kde4 stable enough to switch ?
[06:03] <GothicD3vil> give me a second because this is a try laptop
[06:03] <Odd-rationale> Leeuw: One GSoC is to have the cube effect for kwin. so soon you  won't need compiz at all for kde4
[06:03] <baudthief> Hooray my machine didn't break after reboot!
[06:03] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: it's ok... i wouldn't use it on a dailiy basis tho...
[06:03] <baudthief> stupid question, but how do I know I'm running 8.04?
[06:04] <HUDMeister> Yesterday, when I plugged in my USB flash drive for the first time, my 7.10 AMD64 system froze - clock didn't change but my mouse still worked.  I had to run to work so I had to hard reset the PC.  When tried to boot the PC after I returned home, it will never enter the OS.  I did notice that it is in an endless loop of ubuntu boot up "attempt to access beyond end of device" for sda1.  any ideas? I'm stumped.
[06:04] <Odd-rationale> Leeuw: I'm waitning at least for the next release...
[06:04] <Leeuw> Odd-rationale: what'sGSoC ?
[06:04] <baudthief> everything looks exactly the same as 7.10 lol
[06:04] <flaccid> yeah im outdated myself with this stuff
[06:04] <leo_rockw> baudthief: lsb_release -a
[06:04] <Odd-rationale> Leeuw: Google Summer of Code
[06:04] <chrisrogers> Odd-rationale: LMAO
[06:04] <Leeuw> Odd-rationale: ok
[06:04] <baudthief> leo_rockw: cool, thanks... I'm running 8.04
[06:04] <baudthief> yay? :P
[06:05] <leo_rockw> HUDMeister: next time don't hard reset again, next time use the raising elephants method
[06:05] <chrisrogers> leo_rockw: raising elephants?
[06:05] <HUDMeister> what is the raising elephants method, and how can i recover my system?
[06:05] <Odd-rationale> rseiub
[06:05] <Leeuw> Odd-rationale: leo_rockw, what;s the problem with kde4 now ?
[06:05] <leo_rockw> chrisrogers: that's my blog's name too :-P raising elephants is so utterly boring is a mnemonic rule
[06:05] <Odd-rationale> Leeuw: it is stable. it is just not complete
[06:05] <flaccid> chrisrogers: so whats the current problem?
[06:06] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: there are some things you can't configure. some apps are not even ported yet
[06:06] <Odd-rationale> Leeuw: http://code.google.com/soc/2008/
[06:06] <chrisrogers> flaccid: nothing right now, still installing all the components for compiz
[06:06] <leo_rockw> chrisrogers: it's a way to turn off your comp without breaking anything. alt + sys req + reisub
[06:06] <Leeuw> Odd-rationale: what's missin that's important ?   (think it's answered, thanx for link !
[06:06] <flaccid> chrisrogers: coolio
[06:06] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: amarok2 !
[06:06] <chrisrogers> leo_rockw: what is reisub?
[06:07] <Leeuw> leo_rockw: doesn' t amarok 1 run n it ?
[06:07] <leo_rockw> chrisrogers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key#Raising_Elephants
[06:07] <Odd-rationale> Leeuw: adept, guidance-power-manager konversation, amarok2, etc...
[06:07] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: yup
[06:07] <GothicD3vil> Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator 950
[06:07] <Leeuw> Odd-rationale: leo_rockw hm...   how fast are these people ?
[06:08] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: 4.1 should be out in july or so, 4.2 should be out in december/january
[06:08] <GothicD3vil> leo_rockw: Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950 with 8MB-128MB dynamically
[06:08] <GothicD3vil> allocated shared graphics memory
[06:08] <Leeuw> leo_rockw: I' ll get it for my birthday then July...
[06:08] <GothicD3vil> is a laptop
[06:08] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: 4.1 should be good enough for dailiy use, 4.2 should be good enough to ditch 3.5 and switch to kde4 completely
[06:08] <Mikau> hey guys... thank you very much... i can now open mp3
[06:08] <Leeuw> leo_rockw: might chack it out thou
[06:09] <leo_rockw> Mikau: don't forget about those ogg, tho. jamendo rocks
[06:09] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: yeah, i installed it a while ago to try it, it's really good but it needs more work done
[06:09] <leo_rockw> GothicD3vil: nvidia's are better for compiz
[06:09] <Mikau> leo_rockw:
[06:09] <Mikau> leo_rockw: ok
[06:09] <Leeuw> Mikau: did you get it going ?
[06:09] <leo_rockw> Mikau: and jamendo ships mp3s too
[06:09] <Mikau> Leeuw: yeah
[06:09] <HUDMeister> how can i recover from an endless "attempt to access beyond end of device" during bootup?
[06:10] <Mikau> leo_rockw: rigth! can you tell me again that guy's blog
[06:10] <Leeuw> Mikau: I see you did, great !   welcome to the world of building yer box !
[06:10] <Mikau> leo_rockw: the one who lives in japan...
[06:10] <flaccid> HUDMeister: never seen that. try google?
[06:10] <leo_rockw> HUDMeister: try using the live cd and running a disk check
[06:10] <Mikau> Leeuw: 10x
[06:10] <leo_rockw> Mikau: http://kmandla.wordpress.com
[06:10] <HUDMeister> tried google...  i cant find anyone that has the problem during boot up
[06:10] <leo_rockw> Mikau: idk if he has the answer there, he might, but i'm not positive
[06:11] <Mikau> leo_rockw: ok
[06:11] <leo_rockw> Mikau: just remember that google is your friend too
[06:11] <Mikau> leo_rockw: and, again, what is that program name?
[06:11] <Mikau> leo_rockw: sc something..
[06:11] <ronnie> Is x86 same thing i386, to install on older desktops?
[06:12] <Leeuw> Mikau: scim
[06:12] <leo_rockw> GothicD3vil: just one thing... don't switch to gnu/linux just for the eye candy... you'll be disappointed
[06:12] <Leeuw> !scim
[06:12] <ubotu> Chinese, Japanese, Korean Language input. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SCIM
[06:12] <leo_rockw> Mikau: what Leeuw said
[06:12] <Leeuw> hey ?!?
[06:12] <Leeuw> suhweet
[06:12] <leo_rockw> !info scim
[06:12] <ubotu> scim (source: scim): smart common input method platform. In component main, is optional. Version 1.4.7-3ubuntu8 (hardy), package size 718 kB, installed size 1992 kB
[06:12] <Mikau> leo_rockw: ok
[06:12] <Mikau> Leeuw: thanks
[06:12] <Leeuw> coffee, anyone ?
[06:13] <leo_rockw> !cookie
[06:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cookie - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:13] <leo_rockw> boo
[06:13] <Leeuw> 7:15 am here...
[06:13] <leo_rockw> 2:13 am
[06:13] <Odd-rationale> !botsnack
[06:13] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[06:13] <leo_rockw> Odd-rationale: thanks :-)
[06:13] <Odd-rationale> !helpsnack | leo_rockw
[06:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about helpsnack - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:13] <Odd-rationale> !helpersnack | leo_rockw
[06:13] <ubotu> leo_rockw: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[06:14] <leo_rockw> haha, i didn't know that one
[06:14] <chrisrogers> #compiz
[06:15] <Mikau> wow... adept is now working.. xD
[06:15] <Mikau> ---installing scim
[06:17] <chrisrogers> compiz isn't working now
[06:17] <Leeuw> nice wizza coffe, that ubotu-cookie... where is it though, it's not in the cookie-jar... ?!?
[06:18] <Leeuw> leo_rockw: you' re late, I' m early..
[06:18] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: i should be sleeping, flisol is tomorrow
[06:18] <Leeuw> leo what's flisol ?
[06:18] <leo_rockw> latin american festival of software libre installation
[06:19] <leo_rockw> a huge install fest
[06:19] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: it's happening in many cities of southamerika
[06:19] <Mikau> hey guys... i'm leaving now..
[06:19] <Leeuw> leo_rockw: wow !
[06:19] <Mikau> here it's 2:20 AM
[06:19] <Mikau> xD
[06:19] <Mikau> cya
[06:19] <Leeuw> Mikau:  bye, take care !
[06:19] <Mikau> u2
[06:20] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: this is a list of all the cities involved: http://www.installfest.net/FLISOL2008/Ciudades
[06:21] <Leeuw> leo_rockw: welll , I' ll be there in spirit; have some new old p4 to tst, and maybe build a new xtra rig wizzit...
[06:22] <Leeuw> leo_rockw: man !   That' s some party...   And all the rooms are in a chat or on the net or so ?
[06:22] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: it's my first time in an install fest. i hope i don't destroy somebody's harddrive :-P
[06:22] <Leeuw> leo_rockw: lol
[06:22] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: no, we gather
[06:22] <Leeuw>  <glupek>
[06:22] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: like, in real life
[06:23] <Leeuw> by th way, do you get the puinguin ?   or yer own theme ?
[06:23] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: all those cities will have an event where people take their computers too
[06:23] <ISS_Student> I wish they would have an install fest here in Salt Lake City
[06:23] <Leeuw> leo_rockw: dif' rent types event ?
[06:23] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: just one install fest event per city listed
[06:23] <Leeuw> ISS_Student: yeah, me too, her in Amsterdam would be nize
[06:24] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: there will be stands of different distros and some lectures too
[06:24] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: i'll be in the ubuntu-ar stand, as always
[06:24] <ISS_Student> Or even a Ubuntu users group would be nice.
[06:24] <Leeuw> leo_rockw:  should be fun...   ubuntu-ar issa... ?
[06:24] <Leeuw> argentina ?
[06:24] <ISS_Student> I've gotten a few people at school (ITT-Tech) runing on Ubuntu
[06:24] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: exactly, the biggest ubuntu local community team
[06:25] <Leeuw> leo_rockw: so I heard... in america or the woild ?
[06:25] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: we had a party on thursday in my city for the hardy release.
[06:25] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: in the world, except for the US of course
[06:25] <leo_rockw> the US has the local community teams divided by states
[06:26] <Leeuw> ISS_Student: are you sure there' s no group in SLC ?
[06:26] <Odd-rationale> the us is part of the world
[06:26] <Odd-rationale> ...
[06:26] <leo_rockw> Odd-rationale: but the US has the local community teams by states, not just a big one for the whole country
[06:26] <ISS_Student> Leeuw I heard there is supposed to be one but I can't find there meetin times and location
[06:27] <Odd-rationale> I'm in #ubuntu-dallas only 7 peeps (including ChanServ)
[06:27] <leo_rockw> we usually hang out on irc, the forums and the mailing list
[06:27] <Leeuw> ISS_Student: I just googled ubuntu salt lake city, got: Ubuntu Utah Gutsy Release Party  in salt lake city, wAS 2007, BUT SEEMS THERE is A GROUP IN THE VINCINITY.. ?!!
[06:27] <leo_rockw> our mailing list is huge!
[06:27] <Leeuw> SORRY FER CAPSLOCK FOLKS
[06:27] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: caps are autopilot for leetness :-P
[06:28] <chrisrogers> flaccid: how do i remove this driver
[06:28] <ISS_Student> Hmm there is a Ubuntu-UT channel
[06:28] <chrisrogers> flaccid: how do i remove this driver
[06:28] <flaccid> dont know.
[06:29] <chrisrogers> i'm tired of it
[06:29] <flaccid> did you read the doco from ati, chrisrogers?
[06:29] <leo_rockw> chrisrogers: there might be a script in /etc/ati
[06:29] <chrisrogers> flaccid: yes
[06:29] <chrisrogers> flaccid: wait what?
[06:29] <flaccid> well im still waiting for you to report specific problems
[06:29] <leo_rockw> chrisrogers: depending on the version...
[06:29] <flaccid> instead of being 'tired of it'
[06:29] <Leeuw> ISS_Student: it 's called 'The Ubuntu Utah LoCo team' party was at Paradise Cafe, 618 East 400 South Salt Lake City UT 84102.   That info should get you their adress on the long run ?
[06:30] <chrisrogers> well let's see, i can't move windows, scroll smoothly and every time i install and enable compiz it turns the whole screen white
[06:30] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: well, there might not be an address... (i mean, physical one) ubuntu-ar doesn't have any headquarters
[06:30] <flaccid> and you blame the driver. did you ever think the problem is compiz-fusion or that maybe logs should be checked?
[06:30] <Leeuw> ISS_Student: go to ubuntu wiki, search for utah, you 'll find a page of' m
[06:30] <chrisrogers> flaccid: i don't f-ing know i'm getting tired of working on this for 3 day
[06:30] <chrisrogers> flaccid: s
[06:31] <flaccid> then give up. i mean there is two options here. persist or give up..
[06:31] <flaccid> thats how linux is usually
[06:31] <Leeuw> leo_rockw: makes sense...   with internet you don' t need a building anymore...
[06:32] <Leeuw> leo_rockw: still I would not like to sleep on the net..   glad I have a building..
[06:32] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: it'd probably be too noisy
[06:32] <chrisrogers> flaccid: so what can i do, except revert to the original driver that came on there when i installed Kubuntu
[06:32] <Leeuw> leo_rockw: the beeping, man the beeeeping alllll the time; drives ya nuts
[06:32] <chrisrogers> flaccid: vega or something
[06:33] <flaccid> chrisrogers: no. lets look at the problem closer instead of making assumptions!
[06:33] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: well, considering the net is like 90% pr0n... i would like to stay there for a night
[06:33] <chrisrogers> flaccid: i don't think i could get any closer than i have, my gf is getting pissed at me for sitting here working on this for so long and i'm getting tired of it
[06:33] <Leeuw> leo_rockw: yeah, but it's all silicon...
[06:34] <leo_rockw> Leeuw: silicon valley lol
[06:34] <Leeuw> leo right
[06:34] <flaccid> chrisrogers: welcome to linux.
[06:34] <chrisrogers> flaccid: vesa that's it
[06:34] <Odd-rationale> chrisrogers: as they say, you can only have a gf or linux. not both ;)
[06:34] <chrisrogers> flaccid: i've been on linux for a while and never had this much problems
[06:34] <leo_rockw> chrisrogers: you can't have a g/f and linux... we use linux cuz we have no g/fs! :-P
[06:34] <flaccid> ts up to you if you wanna cite logs etc. or just give up
[06:34] <flaccid> chrisrogers: ive been on it probably longer and this is nothing compared to other problems
[06:34] <chrisrogers> flaccid: well i have both and i want to keep both
[06:35] <Odd-rationale> chrisrogers: good luck!
[06:35] <chrisrogers> flaccid: i'm switching back to vesa driver
[06:35] <leo_rockw> chrisrogers: i heard linspire will help you w/ that
[06:35] <amit> can't play videos in Kaffeine.. have installed all the required codecs... all i get is a blue screen
[06:36] <flaccid> chrisrogers: if thats the case you will probably have better performance with the "radeon" driver
[06:36] <Odd-rationale> amit: what type if file?
[06:36] <amit> .avi
[06:36] <amit> i have put the Option "XaaNoOffscreenPixmaps" in the device section of xorg.conf as told on the xine website
[06:37] <amit> Odd-rationale: also, i have tried the xshm driver and it works fine, but its very slow
[06:39] <chrisrogers> flaccid: so... now what
[06:39] <Odd-rationale> amit: hmm. strange. I didn't need to do anything special after install kubuntu-restricted-extras...
[06:39] <flaccid> chrisrogers: have a beer?
[06:39] <chrisrogers> flaccid: more like a cigerette, i don't drink
[06:42] <flaccid> cool
[06:44] <chrisrogers> flaccid: no beer, no video, i'm screwed
[06:44] <chrisrogers> flaccid: this sux
[06:44] <flaccid> its pretty common
[06:44] <leo_rockw> chrisrogers: i know this won't make you any happier, but keep in mind this is ati's fault and not gnu/linux
[06:45] <chrisrogers> leo_rockw: :@ no... it dosn't make me any happier
[06:47] <ISS_Student> Is it possible to play blu-ray dvd's in Kubuntu 8.04
[06:48] <chrisrogers> leo_rockw: but here's how i look at it, gnu/linux just relased this version of kubuntu and this card has been out for a while, so they should support it already
[06:48] <leo_rockw> chrisrogers: if you have the specs of the card i'll get someone to code the drivers for us
[06:48] <chrisrogers> leo_rockw: are you serious or being sarcastic?
[06:49] <leo_rockw> chrisrogers: the latter
[06:49] <chrisrogers> leo_rockw: figured as much
[06:49] <flaccid> i would contact ati/amd because it thought they were taking linux support more seriously now
[06:50] <leo_rockw> flaccid: they are actually. last year the drivers were the biggest crap in the world
[06:50] <chrisrogers> ok, i'll try that
[06:50] <flaccid> well the new cards (which i thought) the HD2* series were to get the new driver with good support iirc. do some research i guess
[06:50] <leo_rockw> feisty's live cd didn't even boot on my comp... i had to do a hack
[06:51] <leo_rockw> flaccid: amd released some of the specs, so there should be a good open driver soon
[06:51] <weswh-> does anyone have a problem where video (like xvid) has all kinds of 'tearing' in high movement scenes?
[06:52] <flaccid> rightio, wonder when this driver is actually going to be released instead of being talked about...
[06:52] <weswh-> happens in every player for me, kaffeine, mplayer...it's not unwatchable...i get by
[06:52] <weswh-> but, very frustrating. has been this way for a year or so...i'm still on feisty. everytime a new nvidia driver comes out i cross my fingers
[06:52] <weswh-> my brothers system (ubuntu not kubuntu) does the same thing
[06:53] <chrisrogers> i'm removing kubuntu from my computer and just using vista, i get full 3d graphics support on there at least
[06:53] <leo_rockw> flaccid: yeah... i hope we get those drivers before the end of the year
[06:53] <leo_rockw> chrisrogers: glhf
[06:54] <chrisrogers> glhf?
[06:54] <nexano> good luck have fun
[06:54] <chrisrogers> oh
[06:54] <leo_rockw> chrisrogers: say hi to the drm for me
[06:55] <chrisrogers> i'll stay on #kubuntu on mirc to keep up with you guys and you can tell me when gnu/linux or ati gets their heads out of their A$$es and gets on this
[06:55] <intelikey> chrisrogers welcome to the wonderful world of "propritary" *****
[06:55] <SiR-HaCk> buenas
[06:55] <SiR-HaCk> alguien vivo?
[06:55] <nexano> -.-
[06:56] <leo_rockw> SiR-HaCk: este canal es solo en ingles. podes ir a #kubuntu-es para ayuda en español
[06:56] <flaccid> its unfortunate that the open drivers from xorg don't cut it for ati or nvidia otherwise i would use them. if you are a bsd user like me the support is even worse!!
[06:56] <SiR-HaCk> sorry
[06:56] <intelikey> chrisrogers it's not gnu/linux   it's the hardware maker not opensourcing a driver
[06:57] <leo_rockw> people get mad at linux for samba, for the drivers, for .doc not formatting correctly... i just don't get it
[06:57] <chrisrogers> intelikey: yea but they should figure out some way to support it (GNU/Linux i mean)
[06:57] <leo_rockw> chrisrogers: when was the last time you donated money to the cause?
[06:58] <chrisrogers> leo_rockw: not recently :P
[06:58] <intelikey> chrisrogers and get taken to coart, suied for billions, and put in jail...
[06:58] <Level15> jeez, apt is SLOW lately
[06:58] <intelikey> yeah they should
[06:58] <maduser> theres alot of people using it
[06:58] <chrisrogers> intelikey: huh?
[06:58] <leo_rockw> chrisrogers: hackers are not being paid as much as they should... and reverse engineering is not easy, particularly if they sue you every other day
[06:59] <Level15> maduser: yeah... this is when i kind of wish linux wasn't so popular :P
[06:59] <maduser> hehe
[06:59] <chrisrogers> well i'm going back to windows i'll talk to yall there
[06:59] <intelikey> chrisrogers you might want to read a little about how things actually work in the "dog eat gnu" world...   ;/
[06:59] <Level15> 0% [Waiting for headers]
[06:59] <nexano> so, when i try using twinview via nvidia-settings it restricts my second monitor to 640x480
[06:59] <nexano> sound familiar?
[06:59] <Level15> :@
[07:00] <leo_rockw> Level15: you could try mirrors closer to your place maybe
[07:01] <Level15> leo am using mirrors in my country :(
[07:02] <leo_rockw> Level15: well, the mirrors __for__ my country are not __in__ my country
[07:02] <leo_rockw> Level15: i live in argentina, they are in the UK
[07:02] <leo_rockw> Level15: i'm using brazil's now
[07:02] <Level15> i'm pretty sure Canada's mirrors are in Canada...
[07:03] <leo_rockw> Level15: mmhhh... most likely lol
[07:03] <Level15> or at the very least, in the US
[07:08] <chrisrogers> well until they get support  for an ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2600 with 256 MB of Dedicated VRAM and 768 Shared with the ram
[07:09] <Myrth> hi, it looks like with KNetworkManager it is possible to choose wifi network only with the systray right click popup... in my area there's so many networks that it wraps to 3 columns and i can't find my network in there... is there another way to connect to WPA network?
[07:11] <intelikey> chrisrogers again.   complain to ati  that's where the problem is.
[07:12] <intelikey> not to mention "you bought it without doing your homeowrk first"    almost like bying an old mac and wondering why it wouldn't run windows...
[07:13] <Ketrel> Myrth, you should be able to enter it manually if you choose "Connect to other wireless network"
[07:14] <Myrth> oh, right, thanks :)
[07:14] <DaBonBon> someone told me that snd-hda-intel was kind of disabled in hardy, to convenience the other sound card drivers. is that true?
[07:14] <Myrth> sucks that i can't see the strength of networks when it goes to 2 and more columns
[07:14] <leo_rockw> Myrth: you could report it as a bug, or maybe post about it in the brainstorm
[07:17] <intelikey> DaBonBon maybe ask in #ubuntu if no one here knows
[07:17] <DaBonBon> intelikey: the problem itself is not ubuntu or kubuntu specific
[07:17] <leo_rockw> DaBonBon: but #ubuntu has more people
[07:18] <intelikey> !drm | should include DefectiveByDesign.org
[07:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about drm - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:18] <DaBonBon> leo_rockw: right, asked there already
[07:18] <intelikey> DaBonBon correct  and the help base is larger in #ubuntu
[07:19] <DaBonBon> btw, doesn't firefox look really ugly in kubuntu 8.04? the tabs and icons look so misplaced and misaligned
[07:20] <Odd-rationale> DaBonBon: agreed. can't wait for a webkit kpart
[07:21] <DaBonBon> infact, firefox looked much better in 7.10
[07:23] <intelikey> oh here's a good one  http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/how_hardware_vendors_can_help.html
[07:23] <Oleg_> People, help! I wanna use mplayer with coreavc decoder for playing h264 files
[07:24] <Oleg_> to install command line mplayer, I gotta install mplayer-nogui package?
[07:25] <DaBonBon> anyone noticed that after typing apt-get or aptitude foo bar and pressing enter, the complete system hangs for a moment? as it if is "searching" for something?
[07:26] <DaBonBon> or is it only me?
[07:26] <leo_rockw> Oleg_: sudo apt-get install mplayer
[07:26] <Oleg_> why mplayer, but not mplayer-nogui?
[07:26] <Oleg_> I don't want gui mplayer
[07:26] <Oleg_> only command-line mplayer
[07:26] <leo_rockw> Oleg_: ooo
[07:27] <Oleg_> thanks
[07:27] <leo_rockw> Oleg_: yeah, then nogui
[07:27] <hushaohua> ／／
[07:29] <ere4si> !cn | hushaohua
[07:29] <ubotu> hushaohua: For Ubuntu help in Chinese 您可以访问中文频道： #ubuntu-cn 或者 #ubuntu-tw  或者 #ubuntu-hk
[07:31] <leo_rockw> gnite/day everyone, going to bed
[07:34] <Ketrel> When using telnet, is there any way to make backspaces and arrow keys treated as such and not as adding in characters?
[07:36] <intelikey> Ketrel ummm test.   alt+SysRQ+R    and try it.   if that doesn't help   ctrl+alt+f1  &  ctrl+alt+f7   should "un-do" it.
[07:37] <Oleg_> I need to re-compile the kernel
[07:37] <intelikey> Oleg_ you have done that before ?
[07:38] <intelikey> !compile
[07:38] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[07:38] <intelikey> !kernel
[07:38] <ubotu> The core of the Ubuntu Operating System is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, but if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile - For more: /msg ubotu stages
[07:38] <Oleg_> ok, maybe I can install the pre-built package
[07:39] <Ketrel> intelikey I will try that when I boot into kubuntu again, thanks
[07:39] <Oleg_> I need the one that supports sse, sse2, mmx extensions
[07:39] <Oleg_> I don't know why kubuntu didn't install it during installation
[07:41] <Oleg_> how do I install the kernel sources
[07:41] <Oleg_> ?
[07:41] <JackWinter> any one care to have a quick look in adept to tell me which pulseaudio component was installed by default in 8.04 ?  i think there was just 1 lib when filtering with pulse.  wanna remove to get my sound working again.  will check out ubuntustudio to see how pulse works...
[07:43] <baudthief> after upgrading from gutsy to hardy, my samba mounts keep failing with "mount error: could not find target server. TCP name Multimedia/Unsorted not found"
[07:43] <baudthief> I can browse the shares though, and they work fine on windows machines
[07:44] <baudthief> any ideas?
[07:44] <Oleg_> just tell me what package installs kernel sources
[07:45] <intelikey> Oleg_ ^           if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[07:47] <JackWinter> anywhere i can browse to see the default installed libs of 8.04 ?
[07:47] <Oleg_> ok, it's linux-source-2.6.24
[07:47] <zeno_> hi! my /etc/enviornment is set with a :~/src, but starting a new bash echo $PATH outputs it without! why could this be/how to fix?
[07:49] <intelikey> !find linux-source
[07:49] <ubotu> Found: linux-source, linux-source-2.6.24
[07:49] <intelikey> !info linux-source
[07:49] <ubotu> linux-source (source: linux-meta): Linux kernel source with Ubuntu patches. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.24.16.18 (hardy), package size 25 kB, installed size 52 kB
[07:49] <maduser> for kde4 how to I add the number of desktops back to the taskbar?
[07:50] <intelikey> right click the taskbar and add applet   pager?
[07:50] <intelikey> no not pager?    something
[07:50] <intelikey> idk
[07:51] <donald__> Can somebody help me in the process of removing Kubuntu 8.04
[07:51] <intelikey> maduser or umm kde4 may not have multiple desktops ....
[07:51] <donald__> I'm in the Kubuntu liveCD and I'm unable to delete the linux-swap partition because it says it's mouned
[07:51] <maduser> it does
[07:51] <intelikey> donald__ sure.   delete the partition/s and fix the MBR
[07:52] <maduser> I see 2 i want 4
[07:52] <intelikey> donald__ umount it
[07:52] <donald__> I dont know how to unmount it
[07:52] <intelikey> donald__   sudo swapoff -a
[07:52] <maduser> nevermind got it
[07:52] <intelikey> maduser oh   right click the desktop and configure that
[07:52] <donald__> thanks intelikey
[07:53] <intelikey> maduser if all else fails     "kcontrol"   answers all
[07:53] <intelikey> donald__ you do know you have to fix your MBR
[07:53] <intelikey> !MBR
[07:53] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[07:54] <donald__> yes, intelikey I am aware of how to do that :)
[07:54] <intelikey> k
[07:54] <intelikey> just mentioned cause after deleting the partition that grubs files is on     you can't use grub to boot anything.
[08:02] <delarooney> question bout wubi
[08:03] <delarooney> I installed ubuntu base, and want to try switching to kubuntu, see if i like that desktop better.  Do i do it through a package manager or something, or should I run the wubi.exe from windows
[08:04] <intelikey> !wobi
[08:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wobi - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:04] <intelikey> !wubi
[08:04] <ubotu> Wubi is an Ubuntu installer for Windows users that allows you to install and uninstall Ubuntu like a Windows application, in a simple and safe way. http://wubi-installer.org/support.php for troubleshooting. Please file bugs at http://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug.
[08:04] <Daisuke_Ido> delarooney, you'll install the kubuntu-desktop package through synaptic while you're in ubuntu
[08:05] <Daisuke_Ido> then log out and choose a kde session
[08:14] <kblin> hi folks
[08:18] <krawczyk> czesc
[08:18] <kblin> I'm running kubuntu hardy, and it seems like my sound is broken for everything apart from KDE system sounds
[08:18] <Jucato> !pl | krawczyk
[08:18] <ubotu> krawczyk: Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[08:19] <Jucato> (that's a first... everything except KDE sounds working :)
[08:19] <krawczyk> ok dzieki pozdro
[08:19] <kblin> so if I try to "test sound" from system settings, that plays just fine
[08:20] <kblin> if I try to run an ogg file from amarok or mplayer, sound doesn't start for about 10s, then it starts with weird noises in the background
[08:20] <drackmere> Not surprising, my sound really bites in 7.10.  I can't get it to get rid of the fuzz.
[08:20] <kblin> same for wav files
[08:20] <intelikey> "Some GNU/Linux operating system distributions add proprietary packages to the basic free system, and they invite users to consider this an advantage, rather than a step backwards from freedom."  http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.html
[08:20] <kblin> it _was_ working in 7.10 just fine
[08:21] <drackmere> Hardy for KDE is still in beta isn't it?
[08:21] <kblin> is it?
[08:21] <Odd-rationale> does anyone know how to move kooldock  from the bottom to the top? I can't find it in the pref...
[08:22] <Jucato> see the channel's topic :)
[08:22] <Odd-rationale> drackmere: no, it is official
[08:22] <drackmere> I thought that the stable release was Gnome.
[08:22] <kblin> the funny thing is that it seems to work just fine on my x86_64 box
[08:22] <drackmere> Really? Why won't the upgrade show up in Adept?
[08:22] <Jucato> you might be confusing the LTS mark with a release
[08:23] <drackmere> Possibly.  Long week.
[08:23] <drackmere> So here is a question, can I run compiz in E-KDE?  If so, how?
[08:24] <drackmere> 7.10
[08:24] <HunterSThompson> anyone know if Assasin's Creed works in WINE?
[08:24] <Jucato> HunterSThompson: people in #winehq might know better
[08:24] <HunterSThompson> thanks
[08:25] <drackmere> Now if only that was H.S. Thompson.
[08:25] <drackmere> :-)
[08:26] <drackmere> Okay, I am suffering from brain death, just checked the site, sorry.
[08:27] <drackmere> Any takers on the compiz question?
[08:28] <drackmere> Okay, way past my bedtime, I will try tomorrow.  Thanks anyway.
[08:28] <intelikey> who is H.S. Thompson ?
[08:29] <drackmere> Hunter S. Thompson, just do a google on him, that will tell you all you need to know.
[08:30] <ubuntu> ola
[08:31] <Lynoure> Not really a help request yet, but if I have ati (floss) driver and soon an external monitor with bigger resolution than my laptop screen can do, what kind of hassle can I expect switching between them?
[08:32] <Lynoure> googling for it does not work as all I get is solutions for the proprietary driver
[08:32] <kblin> whoa
[08:32] <kblin> I just killed X and ran mplayer from console, sound works just great there
[08:32]  * kblin blames artsd
[08:36] <corban> So is Kubuntu a decent distro?
[08:37] <corban> i'm wondering if it's gona be worth moving from a source based distro to a binary based one
[08:39] <kblin> depends how much time you want to spend compiling things, I gues
[08:39] <kblin> but I figure most people here aren't exactly neutral
[08:39] <intelikey> corban no
[08:39] <corban> well...i like having the newest software available
[08:40] <intelikey> corban it includes non-free junk by default.
[08:40] <corban> non-free is fine
[08:40] <corban> just as long as it has no price tag
[08:40] <TimS> Does the dist update process create a log?
[08:41]  * intelikey would rather pay for free/open-source  than recieve propritary without charge
[08:41] <intelikey> TimS yes
[08:41] <intelikey> TimS /var/log/dpkg.log
[08:42] <TimS> Ok thanks
[08:42] <intelikey> TimS note that is all dpkg actions not only an upgrade
[08:42] <slawek> hello
[08:42] <harold> hi
[08:42] <corban> nothing wrong with propriatry
[08:43] <intelikey> corban nothing right with it either.
[08:43] <TimS> intelikey: I couldn't find it, but I did find /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log and thats exactly what I want =]
[08:43] <corban> why not?
[08:43] <intelikey> TimS heh yeah that one too.   but there should be a dpkg.log there too.
[08:44] <TimS> Okay, i guess its because I hadn't got to the download or install bit yet
[08:45] <TimS> Oh, i see it now. Thanks
[08:45] <corban> not trying to be difficult but why on earth would you pay for something open-source....may as well just get the source and compile it yourself
[08:46] <robert__> Hi everyone - I got a bit of a problem: I want to throttle my cpu (to let it not overheat), but whenever I try e.g. "sudo -i echo -n "90:80:50:55:50:45" > /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/trip_points" or "echo 4 | tee /proc/acpi/processor/P001/throttling" I just get "Permission denied"
[08:46] <intelikey> intentionally difficult, but why on earth would you use propritary when there is free.   :)
[08:47] <intelikey> robotgeek "echo 4 | sudo tee /proc/acpi/processor/P001/throttling"
[08:47] <corban> because it's there...and may be better then free alternative....take ATi drivers for instance
[08:48] <Lynoure> PolitikerNEU: why not just use power manager for that?
[08:48] <Lynoure> PolitikerNEU: sudo does not pass over a >
[08:48] <PolitikerNEU> ah, ok
[08:49] <intelikey> Lynoure   tee   ^
[08:49] <PolitikerNEU> I have tried power manager, but it is still too hot
[08:49] <corban> look before i get people annoyed with me, i just want you to know i'm thinking of moving from sabayon to Kubuntu
[08:49] <Lynoure> PolitikerNEU: something wrong with your hardware, then? (or fans not speeding up?)
[08:50] <PolitikerNEU> fan is speeding up and it's blowing hot out of the fan
[08:50] <corban> and i do greatly appreciate all the help
[08:50] <intelikey> pipes and redirrects are stdout which is owned by the user and you can pipe into sudo  whereas tee can then write.
[08:50] <Lynoure> corban: someone needs to write the source, it's not like it grows itself (more on #kubuntu-offtopic if you wish)
[08:50] <PolitikerNEU> hmm ... I just have used sudo su now
[08:50] <PolitikerNEU> but thanks
[08:51] <corban> ok
[08:51] <corban> i know someone needs to write source
[08:51] <Lynoure> corban: I'll happily explain more on whys, but not here :)
[08:52] <intelikey> PolitikerNEU sudo -i
[08:52] <intelikey> same as sudo su -      and if you did sudo su i hope you added the dash
[08:52] <corban> i'm on offtopic
[08:52] <PolitikerNEU> no, what is the dash needed for?
[08:53] <intelikey> man su         in short it sets to login env
[08:53] <PolitikerNEU> ok
[08:53] <dave11> to bad kubuntu 8.04 isnt a LTS version
[08:54] <Odd-rationale> dave11: I'm upgrading to 8.10 anyways... :)
[08:54] <harold> hehe
[08:54] <dave11> it rocks
[08:54] <Odd-rationale> It would be boring to use the same version for 2 years...
[08:54] <harold> i dont' care if its LTS... it still gets the ladies 8)
[08:54] <harold> *not
[08:54] <Repsa_Jih> Hello. I really need to make a larger backup (about 30Gig) of my hard drive. Therefore, I want to copy these files to another computer (WinXP). What is the best and fastest way to do this?
[08:54] <dave11> lol
[08:55] <Odd-rationale> especially if you get the new version FREE!
[08:55] <intelikey> i need to start my upgrade process to 9.06 now to be done in time for the release...
[08:55] <dave11> Odd-rationale: 8.10 thats cutting edge
[08:55] <progzy> : Hi ! I have a keyboard problem : sometimes when I press a key it does not print anything on the screen ; does anyone know where the problem comes from please ? (I am in dual boot and it is ok on windows)
[08:56] <intelikey> progzy is it a kernel issue or an xorg issue ?
[08:56] <PolitikerNEU> hmm ... If i do "echo 6 | tee /proc/acpi/processor/P001/throttling", system feels MUCH slower (so the command should have worked), but the temperature is still high
[08:56] <PolitikerNEU> (of course I did echo 6 | tee /proc/acpi/processor/P002/throttling too)
[08:57] <intelikey> progzy i mean is that problem repetable in console, or is it something that only happens in the GUI
[08:57] <intelikey> ctrl+alt+f1 to reach a console    ctrl+alt+f7 to find xorg again.
[08:58] <dave11> does kde 4 run better on 8.04?
[08:58] <intelikey> PolitikerNEU did you not see my answer ^ up there ?
[08:59] <intelikey> politikerneu; "echo 4 | sudo tee /proc/acpi/processor/P001/throttling"
[08:59] <intelikey> you pipe into sudo tee
[08:59] <PolitikerNEU> yeah, but I was in sudo su - now, but I'll try it
[09:00] <intelikey> simple test;   echo boo | sudo tee /root/testing
[09:00] <intelikey> sudo cat /root/testing
[09:00] <PolitikerNEU> echo boo | sudo tee /root/testing
[09:00] <PolitikerNEU> boo
[09:00] <PolitikerNEU> root@robert-laptop:~# sudo cat /root/testing
[09:00] <PolitikerNEU> boo
[09:00] <PolitikerNEU> but I'm in "sudo su -" currently
[09:01] <intelikey> it will work anyway
[09:01] <PolitikerNEU> so sudo shouldn't be needed
[09:01] <intelikey> no it's not while you are root
[09:01] <progzy> intelikey : it seems both : console or GUI
[09:01] <intelikey> infact   you can just redirrect echo from root.   echo ooob > /root/testing
[09:02] <progzy> I ve just tesed
[09:02] <progzy> *tested
[09:02] <thumper> with compiz running in hardy with kde 3.5.9, how do I restart the window decorations after they crash?
[09:02] <thumper> also, did anyone notice that their laptop became very unresponsive after the upgrade?
[09:04] <intelikey> progzy ok that's a kernel/hardware issue.   i'm not sure what to tell you there.     at least you know where the problem is.    if you can't find someone in here or  #ubuntu that can help you    and no bug reports on launchpad about it.   check in  ##linux and #kernel   maybe.
[09:04] <PolitikerNEU> hmm ... ok, now I've done "echo 4 | sudo tee /proc/acpi/processor/P001/throttling" - but still, temperature isn't decreasing. (The command must have worked, see:
[09:04] <PolitikerNEU> cat /proc/acpi/processor/P002/throttling
[09:04] <PolitikerNEU> state count:             8
[09:04] <PolitikerNEU> active state:            T4
[09:05] <intelikey> progzy i have never found that particular issue before, so i'm clueless there.
[09:05] <kblin> Repsa_Jih: use smbclient?
[09:06] <jpatrick> thumper: compiz usually has a ton of problems...
[09:06] <Malic> stupid question: i have removed firefox 3 and installed firefox-2. I want to start firefox with the command. How can i change this?
[09:06] <kblin> progzy: and typing "reset" in the console doesn't help?
[09:06] <Malic> with the command firefox
[09:06] <thumper> jpatrick: yeah, but it was pretty good prior
[09:06] <intelikey> PolitikerNEU idk.
[09:06] <thumper> jpatrick: do you know how to restart the window decoration?
[09:06]  * intelikey hides in fox-hole and srceems it's gonna blow !
[09:06] <Hix-Nix> hey guys, i have a question about your livecd... does it have klamav on it?  im geeking on a effed-up win-blows box and its all messed up
[09:06] <PolitikerNEU> ok, thanks anyway
[09:07] <Hix-Nix> i need a quick livecd with AV support
[09:07]  * thumper is pleased to have suspend/resume back
[09:07] <jpatrick> thumper: to switch back to kwin? 'kwin --replace'
[09:07] <intelikey> Hix-Nix why a live cd ?
[09:07] <Dr_willis> I recall some rescue cd's that had clamv on them.
[09:07] <thumper> jpatrick: not quite what I was asking, but thanks
[09:08] <thumper> jpatrick: do you know anything about normal windows becoming non-responsive?
[09:08] <Hix-Nix> intelikey, well, i just want to run an AV program on the winbows box. its a clients machine and my distro (gentoo) is down for the moment
[09:08] <jpatrick> thumper: oh, xgl disables the hiberation options yes - at least it did here
[09:08] <progzy> intelikey : ok thanks ... (Moreover it sometimes print more than one char at once - if I type "m" it could print "mmmmm" ...
[09:08] <jpatrick> thumper: it's usually xgl eating all the memory..
[09:08] <thumper> jpatrick: top says 99% idle
[09:08] <progzy> kblin : I am trying ...
[09:09] <thumper> jpatrick: but then the konsole stops updating and stops repainting for about 10s
[09:09] <intelikey> Hix-Nix oh.   one could boot the ubuntu live and install clamav on it...   but i'd look for a rescue disk that the docter mentioned prolly
[09:09] <jpatrick> thumper: I'd try uninstalling xserver-xgl and see if it helps
[09:09] <thumper> jpatrick: this is even with kwin
[09:09] <thumper> jpatrick: does that make a difference?
[09:10] <jpatrick> thumper: it killed xgl here, which ate most of the memory when I used compiz, even with kwin
[09:10] <thumper> jpatrick: ouch
[09:11] <Hix-Nix> well, i know the gentoo based rescue cd HAS clam/klamAV on it... problem is the sourceforge page is down :(
[09:11] <baudthief> does samba keep an access log somewhere? preferrably one that shows failed access attempts
[09:11] <jpatrick> thumper: my personal experience was: Xgl == bad, compiz or kwin, and it removed hiberation options...
[09:11] <Hix-Nix> so i need another quick fix
[09:11] <Dr_willis> You can enable a lot of log options in the samba configs.
[09:12] <intelikey> baudthief look in /var/log//
[09:12] <progzy> kblin : I don't know what reset is supposed to know but the problem is still here
[09:13] <Dr_willis> baudthief,  thers  /var/log/auth.log that may have some minimal info.
[09:13] <kblin> progzy: reset the console
[09:13] <baudthief> whoa this is weird: startsmbfilepwent_internal: file /etc/samba/smbpasswd did not exist. File successfully created.
[09:13] <pradalover> Failed to fetch cdrom:[Ubuntu 8.04 _Hardy Heron_ - Release i386 (20080423)]/dists/hardy/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get update cannot be used to add new CD-ROMs
[09:13] <baudthief> somehow it keeps losing smbpasswd?
[09:13] <pradalover> why?
[09:14] <jpatrick> pradalover: you cannot apt-cdrom the CD, because of the file system it uses
[09:14] <Tidus> sorry about that guys... had to refresh my nick list and i forgot to part all channels.
[09:14] <pradalover> like i know what you are talking about
[09:14] <jpatrick> Tidus: no problem
[09:16] <intelikey> pradalover you can comment out the line for the CD in your sources.list and go
[09:16] <Hix-Nix> well, thanks guys. i appreciate the help
[09:17] <pradalover> I'm thinking its no big deal
[09:17] <progzy> kblin : ok ...
[09:17] <baudthief> Dr_willis: doesnt contain anything about samba, netiher does anything else in /var/log/samba ;\
[09:18] <wizard> okay so i installed the latest kubuntu off the live CD and it installed kde 3.5.9... instead of 4.0.8 which was the CD i thought i downloaded... and, it removed windows from my grub install
[09:18] <Odd-rationale> wizard: that is ok. just install kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[09:18] <wizard> Odd-rationale: and how do i get my windows partition back onto grub?
[09:18] <intelikey> pradalover i would comment out the cd in the sources     if you don't you may find less friendly messages later on.     adept package manager  is one way to do that.
[09:19] <Odd-rationale> wizard: reinstall grub?
[09:19] <intelikey> or edit /boot/grub/menu.lst  and add it manually
[09:19] <wizard> Odd-rationale: kubuntu-kde4-desktop isn't in my list for apt-get
[09:20] <intelikey> @ wizard ^
[09:20] <Odd-rationale> wizard: running hardy?
[09:20] <wizard> yes
[09:21] <CapitalT> Hi, I had to install in safe graphics mode (because of gigantic fonts) and now my video driver is "vesa". How can I let it auto detect my real driver?
[09:21] <Odd-rationale> wizard: did you apt-get update?
[09:21] <dmitry_> dpkg-reconfigure xorg
[09:22] <wizard> ...lmao
[09:22] <intelikey> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:22] <dmitry_> yeah)
[09:22] <Odd-rationale> intelikey: have you tried to reconfigre the xserver in hardy. It is different now. you can't select driver...
[09:23] <wizard> Odd-rationale: i did something really frickin dumb
[09:23] <wizard> so dumb i wont tell you
[09:23] <wizard> and its hilarious
[09:23] <CapitalT> thanks
[09:23] <intelikey> Odd-rationale i haven't seen hardy    no
[09:23] <wizard> but ohh boy is it DUMB.
[09:23] <intelikey> Odd-rationale have you tried    -plow
[09:23] <Odd-rationale> wizard: too bad. I like to laugh at dunb people....
[09:23] <wizard> lol...
[09:24] <Odd-rationale> intelikey: what's that?
[09:24] <wizard> be nice!
[09:24] <wizard> this is shameful
[09:24] <wizard> i burt the 8.04 disk and put it into the case with all my ubuntu cd's
[09:24] <intelikey> Odd-rationale switch for dpkg
[09:24] <wizard> and somehow, in a rash of genuine stupidity...
[09:24] <intelikey> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -plow
[09:24] <wizard> i pulled out my dapper cd
[09:24] <Odd-rationale> intelikey: I'll try that next time..
[09:24] <wizard> and totally installed dapper, oblivious to it until now
[09:24] <Odd-rationale> intelikey: what does it do?
[09:25] <Odd-rationale> wizard: ha!
[09:25] <wizard> haha oh my god
[09:25]  * wizard burries face in shame
[09:25] <intelikey> Odd-rationale ummm   man dpkg-reconfigure        but in short -p priority
[09:25] <Dr_willis> Nows the time to test the LTS upgrade feature!
[09:25] <Odd-rationale> intelikey: oh, yeah. I've done that... didn;t work
[09:25] <wizard> lol...
[09:26] <intelikey> Odd-rationale hmmm
[09:26] <wizard> nows the time where i hang my head low in shame and ask why my mother didn't abort.
[09:26] <intelikey> can anyone confirm that  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -plow   <<< does NOT allow selecting the display driver in hardy ?
[09:27] <rawleto> hmm
[09:27] <rawleto> really?
[09:27]  * rawleto don't bileive 
[09:27] <rawleto> *believe
[09:27] <Dr_willis> hardy is 'supposed' to be very auto-configuraing for the X settings..  I wouldent be suprised at that.
[09:27] <wizard> are there no american mirrors yet for the remix verion?
[09:27] <Dr_willis> Im cheating and using my old xorg.conf file.
[09:28] <Dr_willis> wizard,  i used the torrents. and got it so fast.. my pc was smoking. ;)
[09:28] <wizard> wheres the torrent for the remix?
[09:28] <Dr_willis> with the other torrents on the ubuntu torrent site i alwys find by googling for 'ubuntu torrent'
[09:29] <monkeybritches> wizard: http://se.cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/releases/8.04/release/
[09:29] <chris32882> alright, heres the story, Its been awhile since I used kubuntu....and trying to get back on track....how do I say...install firefox or search?
[09:30] <Dr_willis> chris32882,  fire up the package maanger/add-remove programs tool and start installing
[09:30] <Dr_willis> or use the command line tools.
[09:30] <Odd-rationale> rawleto: try it. I bet you it won't work...
[09:30] <jussio1> chris32882: kmenu - system -adept
[09:30] <wizard> Dr_willis: nothin' came up for me with that search strand
[09:31] <chris32882> alright, I remember there was a way to install the "Extras" for kubuntu? do you know what the line is?
[09:31] <Dr_willis> I find that hard to belive wiz that 'nothing' came up when you googled for 'ubuntu torrent'
[09:31] <wizard> well, nothing short of a few repositories of private trackers
[09:31] <Dr_willis> http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+torrent&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
[09:31] <monkeybritches> *cough* http://se.cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/releases/8.04/release/
[09:31] <jussio1> chris32882: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[09:32] <Dr_willis> first hit. has a link to all the ubuntu torrents that i think exist. 'officially'
[09:32] <wizard> monkeybritches: that doesn't have a torrent link on there
[09:32] <monkeybritches> Scroll down
[09:32] <chris32882> ty  jussio1
[09:32] <jussio1> !torrents
[09:32] <ubotu> Kubuntu Hardy Heron (8.04) torrents can be obtained at http://se.cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/8.04/release/ (KDE 3.5.9) or http://se.cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/releases/8.04/release/ (KDE 4.0.3)
[09:32] <monkeybritches> http://se.cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/releases/8.04/release/kubuntu-kde4-8.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[09:32] <Dr_willis> http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[09:32] <Dr_willis> is where i always  go.
[09:34] <wizard> okay finally there we go
[09:34] <wizard> hopefully this will o nice and quick
[09:34] <wizard> so i can walk this mistake of shame off and learn from my mistakes lol
[09:34] <tony403> anyone here use ubuntu also? is there anything missing in ubuntu you can do in kubuntu?
[09:35] <wizard> configure anything tony403
[09:35] <Dr_willis> I alwyas install ubuntu and kubuntu desktops. I like some of the ubuntu tools for some tasks.
[09:35] <Odd-rationale> tony403: more like the other way...
[09:35] <monkeybritches> They're basically the same
[09:35] <momal> Hey I just updated to hardy from gutsy and now I am getting this weird error in Kaffeine, "Loading of player part 'XinePart' failed." Details: "All Video Drivers failed to initialize!" Anyone know how I can go about fixing it ?
[09:35] <wizard> gnome tends to overstupify things.
[09:35] <rawleto> what's name of daemon for autoupdate kubuntu?
[09:35] <Dr_willis> and under gnome, thers some kde tools i perfer
[09:35] <Odd-rationale> wizard: I'm seedin the alt cd right now :)
[09:35] <monkeybritches> KDE is prettier :)
[09:36] <wizard> im doing the regular desktop one, Odd-rationale
[09:36] <Odd-rationale> policykit isn't intergrated in kubuntu
[09:36] <wizard> Odd-rationale: i cant get over how i somehow managed to install dapper without even catching it once that it was the WRONG cd
[09:36] <intelikey> have you slashed your dot lately ?
[09:36] <tony403> i was thinking of trying ubuntu for a change but afraid i'll be missing something after using kde a while
[09:36] <wizard> i'll never again do a linux install while on a narcotic sleeping aid.
[09:37] <Odd-rationale> and you can't watch youtube vidoes in kaffeine like you can in totem...
[09:37] <wizard> in soviet russia, youtube watches you Odd-rationale
[09:37] <Dr_willis> tony403,  its trivial to have kde and gnome both on the same machine.
[09:37] <intelikey> lol
[09:37] <Odd-rationale> but in all. I still like kde better! :)
[09:37] <chris32882> check out the korean baby singing "Hey Jude" pretty cool
[09:38] <tony403> Dr_willis, yes, i know. i haven't tried it but was going for a light install
[09:38] <Odd-rationale> I remember the first time I tried KDE i couldn't figure out how to delete folders/file. Because whenever I click on them it would open... :/ I ended up doing it from the terminal...
[09:38] <harold> ewwww totem
[09:38] <wizard_> hmmm
[09:38] <Odd-rationale> now, ctrl+click seems natural...
[09:38] <Dr_willis> Odd-rationale,  i tend to do a 'click/drag/select box' to select files. :)
[09:38] <monkeybritches> Probably not as cool as the three-year-old Chinese girl who can solve a Rubik's cube in two minutes.
[09:39] <harold> that just made me feel so worthless
[09:39] <tony403> ok, so i'll go with kubuntu again. does anyone suggest kde 4.03?
[09:39] <Odd-rationale> Dr_willis: for single files
[09:39] <Odd-rationale> tony403: i'd reccmend getting kubuntu 3.5.9
[09:39] <t3hwiz0rd> installed dapper instead of hardy... this is the dumbest thing i've done since engagement.
[09:39] <chris32882> check it out monkeybritches, surprised a lil toddler like that can sing the song, in english
[09:39] <Odd-rationale> tony403: then install kubuntu-kde4-desktop if you really want it.
[09:40] <Odd-rationale> tony403: you can choose kde/kde4 session in the kdm login screen
[09:40] <monkeybritches> I just upgraded to 4.03 and wished I had installed it from the start instead of upgrading
[09:40] <t3hwiz0rd> kde 4.0 is more or less cutting edge and isn't considered stable
[09:40] <Dr_willis> i barely consider kde4 'useable' :)
[09:40] <t3hwiz0rd> install kde 3.5 on the back end to make sure you've got a stable desktop to revert to incase things get... messy? :-)
[09:40] <monkeybritches> Now I've got to get rid of all the older versions of apps from 3.5
[09:41] <t3hwiz0rd> i downgraded :D
[09:41] <t3hwiz0rd> to dapper :D lmao
[09:41] <t3hwiz0rd> by mistake...
[09:41] <Dr_willis> monkeybritches,  oddly enouhg - i had kde3 and 4 both installed in the beta.. then one day a lot of the redundant kde3 apps that were in kde4. got removed... Not sure what did that.
[09:41] <Odd-rationale> anyways. gtg. good night all!
[09:41] <harold> gnight night
[09:41] <monkeybritches> Maybe if I do nothing they'll go away
[09:43] <intelikey> t3; i'm using dapper full time.    have been sense about a month before it released.
[09:44] <intelikey> it doesn't seem like i've used ubuntu for three years
[09:45] <intelikey> doesn't seem like i've used linux for 9 years...   where did the time go
[09:45] <Pennycook> I've just installed Hardy on my laptop and I'm trying to get to my desktop from it. I can ssh but not sftp or fish. Any ideas?
[09:47] <tony403> anyone know if there's an option yet to hide the panel in kde4 to use your own dock?
[09:49] <intelikey> Pennycook hmm no, i was just testing and anything i can ssh into i can fish:// into     are you getting an error message ?
[09:49] <monkeybritches> Right-click on the panel > Configure Panel > Hiding > Hide immediately
[09:50] <jussio1> tony403: probably best to ask in #kubuntu-kde4
[09:50] <tony403> jussio1, thanks, will do
[09:50] <delarooney> Just used package manager to install kubuntu.  how do I get the kicker program to show up?
[09:50] <intelikey> Pennycook you are using the same username and password for ssh and fish://  ?
[09:50] <tony403> monkeybritches, thanks, just wondering. haven't installed the latest one yet
[09:51] <chris32882> whats the command to search in the terminal? -s?
[09:51] <monkeybritches> np
[09:51] <tony403> last time the panel would mess up and i couldn't use a different one because it wouldn't hide
[09:51] <Dr_willis> delarooney,  what exactly did you install?
[09:51] <intelikey> chris32882 find ?   or  grep ?
[09:51] <Dr_willis> delarooney,  the complate kde/kubuntu desktop is in  the 'kubuntu-desktop' package
[09:51] <delarooney> kubuntu desktop from synaptic
[09:51] <Pennycook> intelikey: I was, yes.  It's just sorted itself out, the password box was appearing behind Konqueror. ^^;
[09:51] <monkeybritches> delarooney: Alt-F2 > Kicker, or 'kicker' in terminal
[09:52] <monkeybritches> chris32882: What are you searching for?
[09:52] <intelikey> Pennycook oh   i see.     heh   ok.
[09:52] <chris32882> I know I could use the manager, but I want to get used to using the terminal again
[09:52] <delarooney> okay.  Now I have that kicker toolbar, but I have the old ubuntu toolbar at the bottom now
[09:52] <chris32882> want to install firefox browser
[09:52] <chris32882> want to be able to search using apt-get
[09:53] <intelikey> apt-cache search blah
[09:53] <Dr_willis> delarooney,  you just ran kicker, (a kde app) while using gnome..  :) thats what you asked how to do...
[09:53] <Dr_willis> delarooney,  if you want the whole kde desktop. logout and use the menus on the login screen to select KDE
[09:53] <intelikey> chris32882 and for details   apt-cache show blah
[09:53] <chris32882> alright
[09:53] <delarooney> hm... I'll try.  thanks
[09:54] <Dr_willis> Gotta love it when you answer a question and its not really the right question the guy was mening to ask.. :)
[09:54] <intelikey> save a sudo    don't need to be root to search packages
[09:55] <intelikey> Dr_willis yeah that looked like a loaded question from word one.
[09:55] <delarooney> wow.  thanks.  this is cool
[09:56] <intelikey> well i'm done.
[09:56] <chris32882> alright, it asks if I am root, which I am how do you enter my name and pass?
[09:57] <monkeybritches> prefix your command with sudo
[09:57] <tony403> anyone know if kde comes in the ubuntu dvd and vice versa?
[09:57] <Dr_willis> delarooney,  so much easier then what you expected eh?  :)
[09:58] <The_ManU_212> hi
[09:58] <monkeybritches> It's available, but Gnome is installed by default, and vice versa
[09:58] <The_ManU_212> i wanted to make a backup of all my files in /home/manu
[09:58] <The_ManU_212> so i made sudo cp -r  /home/manu /media/usbsik/destination
[09:59] <The_ManU_212> but du -shm shows a difference of some mb, is that normal?
[09:59] <Dr_willis> tony403,  i do not think it does.
[10:00] <The_ManU_212> and some directories of my buckup now have only root rights (reason of sudo?)
[10:00] <chris32882> alright its late here, gots to get some sleep, I'm sure I will be back
[10:00] <chris32882> later
[10:02] <delarooney> yeah...
[10:02] <delarooney> this dual booting windows thing is neat.
[10:03] <pui> hi all
[10:03] <pui> :)
[10:03] <tony403> Dr_willis, ok, thanks. i just wish there was more collaboration in a desktop environment for linux so i wouldn't have to choose
[10:03] <pui> anyone can help me ?
[10:03] <pui> pls
[10:03] <pui> with ubuntu 8.04
[10:03] <pui>  ?...
[10:03] <Dr_willis> tony403,  choises are good.
[10:04] <momal> Since upgrading to hardy from gutsy kaffeine just gives me: "Loading of player part 'XinePart' failed. All Videos Drivers failed to initialize!" Anyone have any ideas what the problem is?
[10:04] <Dr_willis> tony403,  you can mixx/match apps from kde/gnome fairly easially. check out the freedesktop.org site also.
[10:05] <tony403> i'm looking at kde-apps.org and gtk-apps.org. sorting by rank, most gnome apps are screenlets while kde apps are more work oriented. maybe that tells me right there to go kde
[10:06] <anto> I know this ain the kde4 channel but dose anyone know how to fix the ugly gtk widgets?
[10:06] <luna> ciao all, I'm problem with wifi card on asus laptop:S
[10:06] <Pennycook> anto: There's a gtk-qt-engine-kde4 package. Install that and there's a GTK configuration option in the Appearance tab of System Settings.
[10:06] <luna> Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
[10:07] <luna> this is working on kubuntu?
[10:07] <anto> ill give it a try
[10:12] <luna> :(
[10:18]  * TimS has started his upgrade to Hardy =]
[10:18] <vistakiller> good luck :D
[10:19] <vistakiller> and if you cant install your gpu driver try envung from synaptic
[10:20] <TimS> I need to find someone with my gpu, the last nvida driver didn't work with it, there was a bug, so i need to check it works with the new one, then I can have compiz fusion for a first time in 6 months!
[10:20] <TimS> Oh and decent screensavers!
[10:22] <Dr_willis> Yea - screensavers are so Critucal to an os's useability!
[10:22] <Dr_willis> :)
[10:22] <vistakiller> Tims try to install the driver with envyng
[10:22] <TimS> Exactly! :p
[10:22] <vistakiller> you will find it in synaptic
[10:22] <vistakiller> there is a problem with the some gpu cards
[10:22] <TimS> Okay, Ill have a look in 26mins after its installed
[10:22] <Dr_willis> what card was this?
[10:22] <TimS> 7300 series didn't work on the old drivers
[10:23] <TimS> But the fix was not backported to 7.10, it is suposed to be in 8.04 according to a launchpad bug thing :p
[10:24] <vistakiller> i see in different forum that there is problem
[10:24] <vistakiller> with nvidia 7***
[10:24] <vistakiller> and nvidia 8***
[10:24] <vistakiller> the only way to install the driver is envyng
[10:24] <vistakiller> with this cards
[10:25] <TimS> oh, interesting
[10:26] <TimS> Ill ask on the forums if anyone has my card and if it works under hardy
[10:26] <vistakiller> it works nice
[10:26] <vistakiller> with the last driver
[10:26] <TimS> Dr_willis: something odd about upgrading to hardy, its removed mono, it didn't reinstall it, unless the package name has changed.
[10:27] <vistakiller> ubuntu have problem to set corect your card
[10:27] <delarooney> APT database could not be opened error
[10:28] <vistakiller> try to restart and try again
[10:30] <Jucato> vistakiller: did you just tell delarooney to restart to fix his APT database error?
[10:31] <vistakiller> yes
[10:31] <Jucato> !aptfix | vistakiller
[10:31] <ubotu> vistakiller: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[10:31] <Jucato> next time just show him that
[10:31] <vistakiller> is not break only corrupt
[10:32] <Jucato> yes, that would unlock it
[10:32] <vistakiller> and with restart will unlock it :P
[10:32] <Jucato> no
[10:32] <krish> hey
[10:32] <vistakiller> is faster way than i dont know it
[10:32] <krish> Any idea why gutsy repositories are not accessible
[10:33] <Dr_willis> the servers are very loaded right now.
[10:34] <krish> since yesterday I've not been able to do a successful reload of my sources list of a new gutsy installation :(
[10:35] <Aranel> I upgraded to Hardy but my FFox is still 2, I tried upgrading it to 3.0 but It says it will remove j2re packages.
[10:35] <wizard_> okay i got kde 4 installed
[10:35] <wizard_> but now my panel disappeared o.O
[10:35] <krish> Aranel: download source and install
[10:35] <wizard_> after ichanged my video settings
[10:35] <Aranel> krish: source ?
[10:35] <Aranel> do you mean i need to recompile it ?
[10:35] <Jucato> wizard_: #kubuntu-kde4 maybe?
[10:35] <krish> wizard_: kde4 shipped with kubuntu or from kde trunk
[10:36] <wizard_> shipped
[10:36] <krish> Aranel: you installed ff from adept/aptitude/apt-get?
[10:36] <Aranel> krish: yes.
[10:36] <cool_walking_> Hi, I upgraded from Gutsy to Hardy with KDE4, and Konqueror won't browser directories: "There appears to be a configuration error. You have associated Konqueror with inode/directory, but it cannot handle this file type."
[10:36] <wizard_> i installed nvidia settings, then restarted X and my panel was gone
[10:36] <krish> Aranel: download ff3 beta from mozilla site
[10:36] <krish> and follow instructions from there
[10:37] <Aranel> krish: oh, ok. but There is a ff3 package in Ubuntu Repository too. Why we dont use the package instead of mozilla ff3 ?
[10:37] <krish> btw, in gutsy list if you install ff3, you get some other language pack rather than english.. it says Grand Paradiso for firefox
[10:37] <cool_walking_> Gah, am I allowed to ask about KDE4 here since it's not officially supported?
[10:37] <krish> check in hardy
[10:37] <krish> it must be same
[10:37] <krish> firefox-3
[10:38] <Aranel> krish: yes package named firefox-3.0
[10:38] <krish> cool_walking_: its better to build from kde branch or trunk
[10:38] <Aranel> krish: but when I try to install it, it says it will remove j2re.
[10:38] <krish> ah
[10:38] <krish> ok wait
[10:38] <cool_walking_> krish: I just read the channel topic.. going to #kubuntu-kde4
[10:40] <delarooney> Package manager isn't working anymore.  Restarted, and still saying that apt database cant be opened
[10:41] <wizard_> okay
[10:41] <wizard_> how does one set up the effects on kde 4?
[10:41] <krish> delarooney: hardy?
[10:41] <TimS> !adeptfix
[10:41] <krish> wizard_: #kde3
[10:41] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[10:41] <krish> hehe
[10:41] <krish> #kde4
[10:41] <krish> #kde
[10:42] <TimS> !apdetfix | delarooney
[10:42] <TimS> There we go :p
[10:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apdetfix - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:42] <TimS> Eh?
[10:42] <TimS> !adeptfix | delarooney
[10:42] <ubotu> delarooney: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[10:42] <delarooney> yeah
[10:42] <delarooney> hardy
[10:42] <TimS> gah, spellings :p
[10:42] <delarooney> and i typed in apt get update..
[10:42] <delarooney> and it gave me...
[10:43] <delarooney> john@john-desktop:~$ apt-get update
[10:43] <delarooney> E: Type 'sudo' is not known on line 62 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:43] <TimS> delarooney: Just run that in a terminal "sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[10:43] <Aranel> krish: did u find anything ? :)
[10:43] <CapsY> can i ask something about xorg config ?
[10:44] <delarooney>  USER        PID ACCESS COMMAND
[10:44] <delarooney> /var/lib/dpkg/lock:  root       5681 F.... adept_updater
[10:44] <delarooney> Kill process 5681 ? (y/N)
[10:44] <TimS> y
[10:44] <krish> Aranel: patience he-man
[10:45] <TimS> Jucato: The upgrade wants me to replace my modprobe.d/blacklist, but my wireless usb key is in there, so should I keep it?
[10:45] <krish> Aranel: sudo aptitude -R install firefox-3
[10:45] <TimS> It would easier if I could merge both together :P
[10:45] <momal> Kaffeine Error: "Loading of player part 'XinePart' failed. All Videos Drivers failed to initialize!" Anyone know how to fix?? Xine-ui plays videos fine
[10:47] <delarooney> adept fix didnt work
[10:47] <TimS> Hmm
[10:47] <delarooney> E: Type 'sudo' is not known on line 62 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:47] <delarooney> is what i get when i type in apt-get update
[10:47] <momal> sounds like you have "sudo" written in that file
[10:47] <TimS> Oh, sounds like an error with your sources.list
[10:47] <Aranel> krish: aptitude trying to remove lot of libraries. can we use apt-get instead ?
[10:48] <delarooney> sources.list can be fixed?
[10:48] <dystopianray> has anyone here used kget?
[10:48] <krish> apt-get may do the same
[10:48] <snikker> i've updete the kernel from 2.6.22-14 to 2.6.22-16 and now all ide device are recognized as scsci device. how fix this?  i'm under herdy.
[10:48] <snikker> *update
[10:48] <dystopianray> snikker: it's normal, there is nothing to fix
[10:49] <delarooney> !sources.list
[10:49] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories
[10:49] <Malic> what is ld-linux.so.2 ?
[10:49] <krish> Aranel: use apt-get
[10:49] <krish> with -s
[10:49] <krish> and simulate
[10:49] <krish> see what are going away
[10:49] <snikker> dystopianray: it's a nornmal thing that an ide device is detected as scsi?
[10:50] <Malic> it has 80% in my process table
[10:50] <TimS> krish: Have you updated to Hardy?
[10:50] <dystopianray> snikker: it's using the new libata driver, yes it is normal
[10:50] <krish> TimS: No. Downloading hardy studio
[10:50] <Aranel> krish:  E: firefox-3 paketi bulunamadı (Couldnt find firefox-3 package in english)
[10:50] <TimS> Okay.
[10:50] <krish> Aranel: check your adept
[10:50] <krish> what is it?
[10:51] <krish> firefox-3.0 i guess
[10:51]  * TimS is updating, but backing up every config file it wans
[10:51] <TimS> wants to overwrite
[10:51] <Aranel> when i try firefox3.0 it says it will remove j2re
[10:51] <krish> Aranel: I recommend downloading latest beta from firefox site
[10:51] <krish> and install according to the instructions there
[10:51] <snikker> dystopianray: ah, ok... but in this way i have a problem thi an ide hard disk...
[10:52] <dystopianray> snikker: what problem do you have?
[10:52] <Aranel> krish: whats the version of default hardy browser ? 2.0 or 3.0 ?
[10:52] <dystopianray> Aranel: 3.0 beta 5
[10:52] <krish> Aranel: no idea
[10:52] <Aranel> oh ok :/ i'll try to install it manually.
[10:53] <krish> another 200MB of download left
[10:53] <snikker> dystopianray: at boot i've a console prompt, i must press ctrl-d to go away, than start kdm, but the hd is not accessible...
[10:53] <trixon> Hi, Im working on a cell phone theme, but I cant find a good picure of the "kubuntu gears", does anyone here know where to get it?
[10:53] <Aranel> in fact i need to use ffox3 with j2re. but it tries to remove it.
[10:53] <krish> Aranel: yep, thats better, cos whatever you are getting on sources list might just be 3.0 and not 3.0.x
[10:53] <dystopianray> snikker: hrrm i'm not sure, might want to ask in #ubuntu and file a bug report
[10:53] <krish> trixon: google
[10:53] <krish> kde-look.org
[10:53] <trixon> krish done that
[10:54] <snikker> dystopianray: ok i'll ask in #ubuntu... thank you for answer :)
[10:54] <delarooney> if sources.list is messed, how do i fix?
[10:54] <krish> what kinda gears do you want
[10:54] <krish> sleek metallic or just plain
[10:55] <trixon> krish plain kubuntu vanilla
[10:56] <TimS> Arg, just got loads of updates about failing to update PHP, leaving unconfigured
[10:56] <Pennycook> I'm looking to report a bug, but want to make sure I do it in the right place. I'm running Hardy (KDE4 remix) and run into a problem every time that I try to open a text file in Kate from within Konqueror or Dolphin. How do I file it, KDE4, Kubuntu, Kate or Konqueror/Dolphin? ^^;
[10:57] <krish> trixon: i guess you will have to draw it yourself if you aren't satisfied with the ones available
[10:57] <krish> trixon: try asking in #kde-artists
[10:57] <krish> someone may help
[10:58] <TimS> Oh christ. I am updating, "Could not install 'kubuntu-desktop'". I am slightly concerned now!
[10:58] <trixon> krish, ty
[11:00]  * TimS fears for his install now :(
[11:01]  * TimS backs up everything lol
[11:01] <TimS> Ah emilsedgh!
[11:02] <TimS> Have you upgraded to hardy?
[11:02] <emilsedgh> hey TimS, whats up?
[11:02] <TimS> I am updating, I just got an error saying "Could not install 'kubuntu-desktop'". I am slightly concerned now!
[11:03] <emilsedgh> TimS: what else?
[11:03] <TimS> It failed to install/configure loads of PHP and MySQL files
[11:03] <TimS> Is it a serious error?
[11:04] <emilsedgh> i have no idea TimS
[11:04] <TimS> I have about 1 min left of the install updates step, then I can see if this is the third update to break my system.
[11:04] <TimS> :(
[11:04] <TimS> Okay :p
[11:04] <emilsedgh> TimS: did you try sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get -f install ??
[11:04] <progzy> Hi ! I use kubuntu 6.06 LTS ; I have changes my source list to this one : http://www.neurologeek.net/linux/linux--ubuntu/depots-pour-kubuntu-6.06-lts.html ; And know when I applied changes, a error occurs (something like "unable to apply changes) ; any idea please ?
[11:05] <progzy> *now
[11:05] <TimS> Its still installing updates, emilsedgh ill try that if it boots up with a black screen and a load of errors :P
[11:05] <emilsedgh> TimS: i hope it will work correct ;)
[11:06] <emilsedgh> TimS: usually if serious error happens, it wont continue
[11:06] <TimS> Errors were encountered while processing: php5-cli libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql php5-snmp php5-curl php5-gd php5 gallery2 samba-common smbfs smbclient kubuntu-desktop libphp-adodb smb4k cacti phpmyadmin
[11:06] <TimS> Thank god I don't use PHP much anymore!
[11:07] <progzy> Does anyone can give me his source list or a link for kubuntu 6.06 LTS please ?
[11:07] <emilsedgh> TimS: i would try to delete the packages that you mentioned above from /var/cache/apt/archives, then run apt-get update and try to upgrade again
[11:08] <TimS> Now I am getting an error that amarkoapp crashed, but it didn't, its still playing music! :p
[11:08] <TimS> Okay, Ill try that when its restarts and everythign breaks :p
[11:09] <TimS> I've been backing up most of the config files and error logs it produces :P
[11:09] <TimS> the dist upgrade window has frozen, oh hell.
[11:10] <TimS> emilsedgh: Can you remeber the command to run to copy the names of every package installed to a text file?
[11:11] <dystopianray> TimS: dpkg -l > packages
[11:11] <emilsedgh> :)
[11:11] <TimS> Cheers :P
[11:11] <ubuntu> how do i get xgl on Kubuntu 8.04
[11:11] <Zaqq> anyone having problems with their WUBI install.. with boot hanging up at the (initramfs) prompt?? this error occurs after installing nvidia drivers and rebooting.
[11:12] <jimat> Hi, all. I am using Hardy KDE4. I've just installed several programs but I don't see them on menu. How do I make it appear on menu?
[11:12] <ubuntu> how do i get xgl on Kubuntu 8.04
[11:12] <emilsedgh> !compiz | ubuntu
[11:12] <ubotu> ubuntu: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[11:13] <ubuntu> thanks
[11:15] <cool_walking_> emilsedgh: what's "bitwise or of negated compiz and ubuntu" supposed to mean?
[11:15] <emilsedgh> dunno cool_walking_
[11:15] <cool_walking_> Then why'd you say it?
[11:17] <jimat> ah just realised I am on the wrong channel :(
[11:17] <momal> Kaffeine Error: "Loading of player part 'XinePart' failed. All Videos Drivers failed to initialize!" Anyone know how to fix?? Xine-ui plays videos fine
[11:17] <Kohlrabi> `sudo apt-get install mplayer` *cough*
[11:21] <TimS> What file is the info about Hard Drives stored, like what to mount on start up if you know what I mean?
[11:23] <Dr_willis> the /etc/fstab file defines mountpoints for filesystems
[11:23] <emilsedgh> TimS: /etc/fstab
[11:23] <TimS> Thanks
[11:31] <dreamcoder> can someone help me get my display working i am wokring on 640 x whatever its well annoying when i change it in the gui and restart x it keeps going back to normal
[11:33] <Dr_willis> !compiz
[11:33] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[11:33] <cappy_> !xorg
[11:33] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:33] <momal> Kohlrabi: If the answer to fixing something that shouldn't be broken is to just install something else then I would just install windows.
[11:34] <n3ksus> ewwww windows
[11:34] <momal> exactly my thoughts as well n3ksus
[11:35]  * Mekzholan has just upgraded to 8.04 :) but has a problem with Thunderbird/Firefox :(
[11:35] <Mekzholan> Both programs don't know each other anymore :(
[11:36] <chakie> hm, my update stopped at 99% with a message: "Errors were encountered while processing: lirc" and then just sits there
[11:36] <Mekzholan> When I click on a link in Thunderbird nothing happens (I'd expect firefox to open the page...)
[11:36] <chakie> the adept updater has never succeeded in doing a full upgrade...
[11:36] <Mekzholan> And clicking on a mailto: in firefox just shows me a dialog about what application to use :(
[11:37] <Mekzholan> can someone help me?
[11:37] <mario> eh?
[11:38] <chakie> damn, now adept updater left lock files
[11:39] <Eruaran> Mekzholan: does firefox have settings for that ?
[11:39] <samuel16> Hello everybody
[11:39] <chakie> and stray processes...
[11:39] <samuel16> Does anyone know which package provides XShm?
[11:39] <Eruaran> !apt
[11:39] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[11:39] <dreamcoder> please can someone help my with my display settings i have GeForce 6100 nForce 430
[11:39] <samuel16> I need it for wine
[11:39] <Mekzholan> Eruaran: Firefox has a setting for the "mailto:"  - but that seemed to be getting lost by an update :(
[11:40] <Eruaran> dreamcoder: xorg
[11:40] <Eruaran> !xorg
[11:40] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:41] <samuel16> what package do I need to get XShm?
[11:41] <kaminix> I keep getting this error when trying to use sudo: sudo: must be setuid root..... why?
[11:42] <samuel16> Does nobody knows it?
[11:46] <Dr_willis> I though xshm was an optuon in the xorg.conf file
[11:48] <tsb> is kmilo supposed to work in 3.5.9? I don't get any response using the x..vol up/down keys
[11:51] <Oleg_> People, to what place I need to copy my compiled bzImage to boot kubuntu with it?
[11:52] <Dr_willis> kernel images are normally in /boot somewhere
[11:52] <Oleg_> yeah, I know
[11:53] <Oleg_> but exactly where - I dunno
[11:53] <uros_> hi all. does anyone know what i have to install if i want to install gnome and don't want gnome apps all over the place in my menu (i know there is something that groups them together)
[11:53] <Dr_willis> I would think you would want to give it a more specific name, and add a grub entry to boot it.
[11:53] <sigma_1234> how do i install kde 4 on hardy and how big is it to download?
[11:54] <ForsakenSoul> hi I shared 2 partitions with samba and I can find them in the net with windows but It doesn't give me access to them when I try to open them ... can the permissions on the linux be the problem I mean the permissions for the folders
[11:54] <Dr_willis> kde4 - the K Desktop Environment version 4 official modules
[11:55] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. I dont see any kde4-desktop metapackage.
[11:55] <seil> hi, how do you uninstall kde 3.5.9 from kubuntu?
[11:55] <seil> i'm using kde 4.0.3
[11:56] <Dr_willis> I wouldent advise uninstalling kde3 - I find kde4 lacking too many features and specific tools
[11:56] <ForsakenSoul> how can I set a mounted partitions permissions so that everyone could enter it (regardless of group or user)
[11:56] <seil> well, certain things i would like to keep from kde 3.5, such as skim and knetworkmanager, but i would like to uninstall the rest
[11:56] <Mekzholan> Eruaran: hm, can you help me with my problem (esp. that thunderbird doesn't work with links anymore...)
[11:57] <seil> ForsakenSoul: right click on the drive inside dolphin
[11:57] <Dr_willis> ForsakenSoul,  depends on the filesystem of the partition to some degree
[11:57] <seil> ForsakenSoul: dolphin will give you the option to mount the partition as user
[11:58] <warrenDumX> hi dear kubuntu users
[11:58] <warrenDumX> i have a stupid question, can someone send me a screenshot of openoffice opened in hardy heron ?
[11:58] <warrenDumX> or find a screenshot on the web
[11:58] <warrenDumX> ?
[11:59] <Lynoure> warrenDumX: hmm, it's not that different at least on the kde3 side
[11:59] <ForsakenSoul> seil no such option
[11:59] <Oleg_> I may dump kubuntu and go back to using gentoo because I am not used to kubuntu!
[11:59] <warrenDumX> well i still would like a screenshot :)
[11:59] <ForsakenSoul> Dr_willis its NTFS ...
[12:00] <Dr_willis> Oleg_,  this is linux.. use whatever you perfer. :)
[12:00] <Eruaran> Mekzholan: not sure Mekzholan, I don't use thunderbird except at work (and thats with Windows)
[12:00] <ForsakenSoul> I have all my music there and I need to open it from another computer which has windows ... I find the folders no problem but I cant open them
[12:00] <Dr_willis> ForsakenSoul,  You most likely want to use the ntfs-config tool to enable all users to access the filesystem then.
[12:00] <Eruaran> Mekzholan: I usually use Kontact
[12:01] <Dr_willis> ForsakenSoul,  if you are having issues with accessing them as a samba share.. well you might want to set up the disk as a public share on the linux box.
[12:01] <ForsakenSoul> well I've set it up
[12:01] <ForsakenSoul> done it through dolphin and through the samba gui in settings
[12:01] <ForsakenSoul> and through the network samba setting
[12:02] <ForsakenSoul> I don't think samba is the problem because the other pc can see the folders but it can't open them
[12:02] <Eruaran> Mekzholan: try here, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-18175.html
[12:02] <Dr_willis> ForsakenSoul,  that sounds exactly like a samba permission  problem.
[12:03] <ForsakenSoul> Dr_willis any suggestions
[12:03] <rootsnatch> hey guys what is a good system montitoring tool for KDE?
[12:03] <Dr_willis> ForsakenSoul,  set up a specic public samba share just for that filesystem.  Thats what i did for my 'movies' share on my fileserver.
[12:04] <rootsnatch> I have tried Conky but no matter what I do with it runnin whenever I add anything to the desktop the desktop flickers
[12:04] <ForsakenSoul> just for the folder ... not the whole partition ?
[12:04] <warrenDumX> rootsnatch : isn't there one installed bby default ?
[12:04] <Dr_willis> but the  fact that its a ntfs filesystem - might be the issue
[12:04] <Dr_willis> ForsakenSoul,  you can do it that way if you want. I imagine.
[12:04] <rootsnatch> ya, but it doesn't give you any numbers it just has random graphs
[12:04] <rootsnatch> I want like menumeters on OS X for kde
[12:04] <rootsnatch> pretty much
[12:04] <warrenDumX> no there's another prog i think
[12:04] <ForsakenSoul> Dr_willis I'll try
[12:04] <Schorfi> rootsnatch: try a superkaramba script
[12:05] <rootsnatch> Schorfi: do you know of any good ones?  I can google around but any recommendations
[12:06] <Schorfi> rootsnatch: http://kde-look.org/index.php?xsortmode=high&page=0&xcontentmode=38 you should find one here i guess
[12:06] <Schorfi> and they are easy to edit to fit your needs
[12:07] <rootsnatch> ok cool thanks
[12:07] <Schorfi> youre welcome
[12:08] <kaminix> When right-clicking the KMenu in Hardy, it opens programs instead of giving me the menu edit option.
[12:08] <kaminix> Why?
[12:09] <ForsakenSoul> Dr_willis this didn't work
[12:10] <ForsakenSoul> can you guide me through the process
[12:10] <ForsakenSoul> just to see if I am doing everything right
[12:10] <Dr_willis> ForsakenSoul,  i manually edit my samba  /etc/samba/smb.conf file and just add a new share.
[12:10] <ForsakenSoul> btw I don't know if this is  relevant but I says that the network path isn't found in win
[12:12] <Malic> Hi! Can anyone tell me where i can find the bookmarks folder of firefox?
[12:12] <ForsakenSoul> Dr_willis well I actually never did learn how to do with in the smb.conf file :D
[12:12] <nhnFreespirit> Hi guys! I upgraded the GF's laptop ( Acer ferrari 4000 ) from gytsy to hardy last night, and since then it has been experiecngin random hard freezes where to only fix wahs tore start it completely ( killing x did not work, nor does any of th vt's )
[12:12] <Dr_willis> egads.. my 'pastebinit' command is not working!
[12:13] <Dr_willis> Oh the humaninty of it all...  This is a critical bug. Heh
[12:13] <nhnFreespirit> ... nice typing by me there....
[12:13] <ForsakenSoul> Malic if you want you can go to bookmarks in the firefox menu and click on manage bookmarks
[12:13] <nosrednaekim> Malic: yes, /.mozilla/firefox
[12:13] <nosrednaekim> Malic: that has an ATI, no?
[12:14] <nosrednaekim> ^^ n
[12:14] <nosrednaekim> ^^ nhnFreespirit
[12:14] <Dr_willis> ForsakenSoul,  my example samba conf file -->  http://paste.stgraber.org/2812
[12:14] <nosrednaekim> sorry... its early :P
[12:14] <nhnFreespirit> nosrednaekim: yes
[12:14] <nhnFreespirit> an x700 IIRC
[12:15] <Malic> nosrednaekim: thank you!
[12:15] <nosrednaekim> nhnFreespirit: did you install the fglrx driver?
[12:15] <nhnFreespirit> not on hardy, I did on gutsy though
[12:15] <ForsakenSoul> btw Dr_willis where was the smb.conf file
[12:15] <Dr_willis> in etc/samba  of course.
[12:15] <Malic> nosrednaekim: what you mean with ati? i have an ati card..
 ForsakenSoul,  i manually edit my samba  /etc/samba/smb.conf file and just add a new share.
[12:16] <nosrednaekim> Malic: sorry, I put int he wrong nick :P
[12:16] <ForsakenSoul> yep silly me
[12:16] <Malic> okay..
[12:16] <nhnFreespirit> nosrednaekim: I have not actively installed a new driver on hardy, I think I did back on gutsy though
[12:16] <nosrednaekim> nhnFreespirit: since it was an upgrade, the new driver came across as well
[12:17] <nhnFreespirit> nosrednaekim: should I try to remove these?
[12:17] <nosrednaekim> nhnFreespirit: I'd give it a shot and see if that fixes it
[12:17] <nhnFreespirit> nosrednaekim: ok, will do, thanks! :-)
[12:18] <nosrednaekim> nhnFreespirit: when exactly do these freezes occur
[12:18] <nhnFreespirit> nosrednaekim: at completely random times it seems
[12:18] <nosrednaekim> ok
[12:18] <nosrednaekim> is it over heating?
[12:19] <nhnFreespirit> unlikely since both freezes have been while idling or nearly so
[12:20] <nosrednaekim> ok
[12:20] <Dr_willis> I  Just dusted out one of my pc's...  :) its amazing how much crud those things can suck in
[12:22] <ForsakenSoul> Dr_willis one stupid question what was the command in the console to write in a file through root ?
[12:22] <nhnFreespirit> nosrednaekim: which driver should it use instead?
[12:22] <nosrednaekim> nhnFreespirit: "ati"
[12:22]  * nhnFreespirit is not really that fammiliar with *ubuntu
[12:22] <nhnFreespirit> nosrednaekim: ok, thanks
[12:23] <Dr_willis> ForsakenSoul,   if you want to know how to 'edit' a file as root from the terminal...
[12:23] <Dr_willis> sudo vi /etc/samba/smb.conf
[12:23] <Dr_willis> or use kdesudo or kdesu + a gui editor name
[12:23] <ForsakenSoul> ok
[12:23] <jussio1> or nano
[12:24] <Dr_willis> nano just annoys me too much. :)
[12:24] <Dr_willis> of all the editors out.. they could of picked a slightly better one.
[12:25] <nhnFreespirit> nosrednaekim: hehe, after removing the fglrx on, it frose, so now it has no driver. Wha is the correct way to make it use ati from the command line ( I assume manually hacking the xorg.conf is not the kubuntu way )
[12:26] <nosrednaekim> nhnFreespirit: that works :)
[12:27] <nhnFreespirit> nosrednaekim: no, it very decidely does not as X will not start at all now
[12:27] <nosrednaekim> did yuo go in and tell it to use ati in the xorg.conf?
[12:28] <ForsakenSoul> Dr_willis I took you example smb.conf modified it for my needs but now it asks for a pass
[12:28] <ForsakenSoul> where do I change the pass ?
[12:28] <nhnFreespirit> nosrednaekim: no, I was not sure that was the right way.  oh... thats what you meant with "that works :)"
[12:28] <nhnFreespirit> sorry
[12:28] <Dr_willis> 'sudo smbpasswd USERNAME'
[12:28]  * nhnFreespirit goes editing the xorg.conf file
[12:29] <Dr_willis> is how i set a user password for the linux box.  Theres proverly some setting to allow connection with no password.. but i never set that up
[12:30] <nhnFreespirit> ??!?!??
[12:30] <nhnFreespirit> wow!
[12:30] <nhnFreespirit> that was not the epected result
[12:30] <nhnFreespirit> expected*
[12:30] <nosrednaekim> nhnFreespirit: ?
[12:31] <Ghodmode> Regarding samba setup, if you set security = share in /etc/samba/smb.conf, you can set up shares that don't require passwords to be sent from Windows boxes.
[12:31] <nhnFreespirit> changing the driver to ati and restarting kdm resulted in the login screen being shown but being all messed up with thin horisontal flimmering lines all over the place
[12:31] <ForsakenSoul> Dr_willis how do I set it up without a pass and how can I assign a username to samba
[12:31] <ForsakenSoul> :D
[12:31] <nosrednaekim> woah
[12:32] <halle> anybody here who is good with sound/alsa?
[12:32] <nhnFreespirit> nosrednaekim: after a restart i look sok though...
[12:32] <Dr_willis> This is when we go back to the 'install the samba-doc package, and read the samba docs' :) comes into play
[12:32] <nhnFreespirit> looks ok*
[12:32] <nosrednaekim> nhnFreespirit: i've seen that before, forgot what it really is
[12:32] <nosrednaekim> nhnFreespirit: ko, good
[12:32] <Dr_willis> there is no username for samba. your linux users have samba passwords.
[12:32] <nosrednaekim> I hope that fixes the freezes
[12:32] <Dr_willis> a public share (i think) lets any legal user get in and access the dirs.
[12:32] <nhnFreespirit> nosrednaekim: ditto. We will give it a try and report back here if it does not
[12:33] <Ghodmode> Samba does maintain its usernames and passwords separately from the *nix usernames and passwords, but it always ties them to a valid *nix account
[12:33] <nosrednaekim> ok
[12:33] <Dr_willis> i always cheat and make my linux users have the same samba and linux passwords. :)
[12:34] <Dr_willis> theres some way to make them auto-sync. but i dont have a large enough lan to worry about that.
[12:34] <ForsakenSoul> Dr_willis well you must have noticed but I'm a complete noob but my situation is that when I open the ip to this pc from my win pc it gives me automatically the Guest username and wants a pass ... when I try to set a pass for Guest it says there is no such user
[12:34] <Ghodmode> to make them "auto-sync", look at the usernames map entry for smb.conf (man smb.conf)
[12:34] <Dr_willis> ForsakenSoul,  i always make my linux user name and windows user names the same also.  Windows is REALLY annoying at times and makes it a pain to login to  a share as a idfferent user.
[12:35] <surface> is kubuntu 8.04 a LTS version?
[12:35] <Dr_willis> ForsakenSoul,  what version of windows is this?
[12:35] <Dr_willis> ForsakenSoul,  the samba docs/configs also have special options for allowing 'guest' accounts.
[12:35] <ForsakenSoul> xp .. vista is too slow
[12:35] <Synergy_Peace> How can I remove a package that cannot be removed using adept in the console?
[12:36] <emilsedgh> Synergy_Peace: sudo apt-get remove packagename
[12:36] <Synergy_Peace> thanks
[12:37] <ForsakenSoul> Dr_willis as little as I understood I have to make a new linux user with the name of the win user and set it a pass with the command you gave me earlier ?
[12:37] <ForsakenSoul> or is there an easier painless way
[12:38] <ForsakenSoul> btw didn't think that sharing lin to win would be such a pain in the .... last time I must have been lucky I did it without any problems in ubuntu .... must have been lucky indeed
[12:38] <Dr_willis> a linux user needs a samba password in Addation to their normal password. Then when you connect from the windows box. it should ask for a user/password. You give it the linux users name/pass
[12:39] <ubuntu_> hello
[12:39] <Ghodmode> There's an easiser way.  My Windows User names are not on my Linux boxes.
[12:39] <Dr_willis> i always make a windows user and linux user on the machines with the SAME ussername.  I think it defaults to that user when trying to access the shares.
[12:39] <ForsakenSoul> Dr_willis no it just fixes to the Guest user
[12:39] <Dr_willis> ForsakenSoul,   I never mess with 'guest' so you are on your own there. :)
[12:39] <ForsakenSoul> and I have no Guest user I think
[12:40] <Dr_willis> you can enable the guest access in the samba config some how.
[12:40] <ForsakenSoul> Dr_willis: you can enable the guest access in the samba config some how. ... that 'SOME HOW' part I don't like at all ;)
[12:40] <Dr_willis> ForsakenSoul,  how many times to i need to suggest the 'samba-doc' package...   and doing a little reading
[12:40] <ForsakenSoul> looks like I would have to annoy someone else ... I think I'll try the samba channel lets hope they help
[12:41] <Dr_willis> I recall knowing all i needed to know by chapter 4 of the book. :)
[12:41] <ForsakenSoul> thanks for the help Dr_willis and sorry for the annoyance D:
[12:41] <ForsakenSoul> :D
[12:41] <Dr_willis> those are some  VERY worthwhile readng to do.  I need to reread them some time.
[12:41] <ForsakenSoul> ok I'll try the samba-doc package ... but I'm never comfortable with those things
[12:41] <Dr_willis> Its amazing some of the things samba can do.
[12:42] <Dr_willis> You are more comfortable with getting advice from an unknown-skill-level person in chat rooms?
[12:42] <Dr_willis> heh...
[12:43] <ForsakenSoul> well yeah ... it's kinda risky but :D
[12:43] <Dr_willis> install samba-doc   go to  /usr/share/doc/samba-doc/  last i looked there were 3 books in there.
[12:43] <Dr_willis> index.html  manpages/  Samba3-ByExample/  Samba3-Developers-Guide/  Samba3-HOWTO/  samba.css  using_samba/
[12:44] <ForsakenSoul> samba3-byexamples samba3-howto and using_samba should be the ones for me
[12:44] <jussio1> !test
[12:44] <ubotu> Failed.
[12:45] <surface> is kubuntu 8.04 a LTS version?
[12:45] <klerfayt> no
[12:45] <klerfayt> !lts
[12:45] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[12:45] <klerfayt> !hardy
[12:45] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the codename for the current release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS) You can get it now from http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu but please use !torrents
[12:45] <klerfayt> bleh
[12:46] <Dr_willis> ForsakenSoul,  file:///usr/share/doc/samba-doc/htmldocs/using_samba/ch09.html   has info on 'guest' users
[12:47] <ForsakenSoul> ok thanks a lot and sorry again for losing your time :D
[12:47] <Illusion> hello folks
[12:47] <Illusion> does anybody knows where i can find the updates log?
[12:47] <Dr_willis> i need to set up my video shares so the wife can connect without needing a password. :)
[12:48] <Ghodmode> Illusion... which updates?
[12:48] <Synergy_Peace> I am trying to remove a stubbon file and got this output is there a flag to force removal
[12:48] <Synergy_Peace> synergy@synergy-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get autoremove lexmark-z700-cups-driver
[12:49] <Synergy_Peace> Reading package lists... Done
[12:49] <Illusion> the updates through apt-get update/adept manager
[12:49] <Synergy_Peace> Building dependency tree
[12:49] <Synergy_Peace> Reading state information... Done
[12:49] <Synergy_Peace> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[12:49] <Synergy_Peace>   lexmark-z700-cups-driver
[12:49] <Synergy_Peace> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[12:49] <Synergy_Peace> 1 not fully installed or removed.
[12:49] <Synergy_Peace> After this operation, 680kB disk space will be freed.
[12:49] <Synergy_Peace> Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y
[12:49] <kaminix_> What's this? Get it when trying to reach the UIM settings panel.     Error: in scm_symbol_value: unbound variable: custom-group-label
[12:49] <Synergy_Peace> (Reading database ... 138436 files and directories currently installed.)
[12:49] <Synergy_Peace> Removing lexmark-z700-cups-driver ...
[12:49] <Synergy_Peace> /var/lib/dpkg/info/lexmark-z700-cups-driver.postrm: 2: /etc/init.d/cups: not found
[12:49] <Synergy_Peace> dpkg: error processing lexmark-z700-cups-driver (--remove):
[12:50] <Synergy_Peace>  subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 127
[12:50] <Ghodmode> Illusion, this is just a guess, but see what's in /var/log/apt
[12:50] <Synergy_Peace> Errors were encountered while processing:
[12:50] <Synergy_Peace>  lexmark-z700-cups-driver
[12:50] <Synergy_Peace> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[12:50] <Synergy_Peace> synergy@synergy-desktop:~$
[12:50] <Dr_willis> ForsakenSoul,  from what i am reading one may need to use   security = share   istead of secuity=user
[12:50] <Synergy_Peace> is there a way to force removal of a package?
[12:52] <Synergy_Peace> apt
[12:52] <ForsakenSoul> Dr_willis I will try ... btw why doesn't anyone today make short doc file ... :D
[12:52] <danakil> hello, does anybody else must use the "all_generic_ide" when I want to boot on Ubuntu ?
[12:52] <danakil> "all_generic_ide" boot argument
[12:53] <Dr_willis> ForsakenSoul,  have you bothered to google for this? theres 100000's of guides/docs/forums threads on the topic
[12:53] <tsb> How can I see which program captures input? KMilo is not responding to vol up/down, yet the volume does. I've killed xbindkeys.
[12:54] <Dr_willis> egads.. gnome/hardy isent seeing the windows network now. :(
[12:54] <Illusion> Ghodmode: what program do i need to open these logs?
[12:54] <Ghodmode> Please someone say "Hello Ghodmode".  I'm very new to IRC and, for all I know, messages aren't visible to everyone.
[12:54] <okv> How much extra space about would it take to upgrade to 8.04 from 7.10?
[12:54] <Illusion> kate doesn't work - the file looks empty
[12:54] <Dr_willis> Hello Ghodmode
[12:54] <danakil> hello Ghodmode <__<
[12:54] <okv> I just upgraded from 7.04 to 7.10 and I noticed that I've got only 1.3GB of free space, before the upgrade I had about 4GB
[12:54] <danakil> anybody for my boot argument problem ? :)
[12:54] <Illusion> with nano i can read the log properly
[12:54] <Synergy_Peace> how do I remove a stubbon package ?
[12:55] <abcd> can anyone check what are the commands for printing jobs and hplip toolbox - I've removed these entries from menu
[12:55] <ForsakenSoul> Dr_willis well I didn't thought that it would be a fast one liner fix ... btw with the security = share and the guest ok =yes and other guest options worked .. now I'm back to my first problem ... I doens't open the music folder beucase the permissions of the partition don't let it
[12:55] <Ghodmode> Thank you... at least I can get IRC working :)
[12:55] <Dr_willis> ForsakenSoul,  you MUST mount  the ntfs filesystem in a way that all users have access.
[12:56] <kaminix_> Error: in scm_symbol_value: unbound variable: custom-group-label          <--- What does this error mean and how do I fix it?
[12:56] <Dr_willis> ForsakenSoul,  ntfs-3g  has options for that.
[12:56] <kaminix_> ls
[12:56] <kaminix_> wops
[12:57] <ForsakenSoul> ok
[12:57] <ForsakenSoul> I'll look it up in google
[12:57] <TimS> The links to the 8.04 DVD iso only have 7.10 DVD isos, not 8.04 ones. Where can I get an 8.04 DVD iso?
[12:57] <TimS> Also, whats actually different about the DVD edition
[12:57] <danakil> there a lot more package
[12:57] <danakil> that's all
[12:57] <Synergy_Peace> synergy@synergy-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get purge lexmark-z700-cups-driver
[12:57] <Synergy_Peace> Reading package lists... Done
[12:57] <Synergy_Peace> Building dependency tree
[12:58] <Synergy_Peace> Reading state information... Done
[12:58] <Synergy_Peace> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[12:58] <Synergy_Peace>   lexmark-z700-cups-driver
[12:58] <Synergy_Peace> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[12:58] <Synergy_Peace> 1 not fully installed or removed.
[12:58] <Synergy_Peace> After this operation, 680kB disk space will be freed.
[12:58] <Synergy_Peace> Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y
[12:58] <Synergy_Peace> (Reading database ... 138436 files and directories currently installed.)
[12:58] <Synergy_Peace> Removing lexmark-z700-cups-driver ...
[12:59] <jussi01> Synergy_Peace: please dont flood. Ill remove the mute in a moment.
[12:59] <assane> c ou le forom fr
[12:59] <jussi01> !paste | Synergy_Peace
[12:59] <ubotu> Synergy_Peace: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[12:59] <jussi01> !fr | assane
[12:59] <ubotu> assane: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[12:59] <Dr_willis> Dang it - Once again hardy is not seeing my samba shares/network with  Gnome, kde, or fusesmb.. same bug i reported during beta..
[13:00] <Dr_willis> well i will bbl
[13:00] <Synergy_Peace> please how do i remove this file
[13:01] <jussi01> Synergy_Peace: try sudo apt-get install -f
[13:02] <Zamber> after upgrading to 8.04 I have / instead of my Desktop folder. I presume somebody else had this issue to but I can't google it out. Any thoughts?
[13:03] <Zamber>  / instead of the /home/[]user/Desktop/ on the desktop ofcourse :P
[13:04] <Synergy_Peace> juss01 subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 127
[13:04] <Zamber> changing via systemsettings is trying to copy / to /home/[user]Desktop/ xD
[13:18] <snikker> in the kdm screen (login and post-login) i have a low resolution (i think 640x480), how can i set it a 1024x478???
[13:21] <abcd> Could anybody check what are the commands for printing jobs and hplip toolbox  for me ?
[13:22]  * junkysospunky waves
[13:23] <Synergy_Peace> i have a package which says it is not fully installed or removed  how do i fix please?
[13:23] <junkysospunky> install synaptic, and use the menu option 'fix broken packages'
[13:24] <klerfayt> junkysospunky: can you install synaptic if apt is broken?
[13:25] <junkysospunky> you can download the deb from the web, if you download it's dependencies as well
[13:25] <junkysospunky> then install with dpkg -i
[13:26] <lusum> hi
[13:26] <lusum> i would like the best methon on kubuntu to connect to a wireless wpa net with hidden ssid
[13:27] <lusum> i have tried knetworkmanager but it is not so cool like network manager of eeepc
[13:32] <JackWinter> anyone know a nice prog to check disk throughput ?
[13:33] <Dragnslcr> Is there a simple way to upgrade to 8.04 from the DVD? Figure I could save the servers a little bandwidth
[13:35] <ForsakenSoul> I'm trying to change permissions to a folder ... the command chmod 777 -R /path/to/someDirectory  doesn't work please some help
[13:37] <v6lur> chmod -R 777 /path/to/dir
[13:39] <Roey> like stødied hard for his class and got a 96%
[13:39] <Roey> doh
[13:39] <Roey> wrong chan, sorry
[13:39] <leleobhz> install kde4 into hardy kde3 is dangerous?
[13:39] <gourdin> hi there
[13:40] <gourdin> is there a problem to upgrade gutsy to hardy when kde4 is installed ?
[13:40] <leleobhz> (a.k.a. can i have kde3 and 4remix in same instalation?)
[13:40] <ForsakenSoul> v6lur still doesn't work
[13:41] <ForsakenSoul> I'm trying to change the permissions to a folder that is in a mounted ntfs partitions ... does that make nay difference
[13:42] <Dragnslcr> leleobhz- assuming it's the same as in 7.10, yes, KDE4 installs separately from KDE3
[13:43] <gourdin> Dragnslcr: so upgrading from 7.10 wont destroy my kde4 installation ?
[13:43] <Dragnslcr> I wouldn't think so, but I haven't tried it yet, so I can't say for sure
[13:44] <dreamcoder> is unrar working in 8.04 or still does winrar have to be installed on wine
[13:45] <xanax`> hello
[13:45] <devilsadvocate_> dreamcoder, ark has always been able to open rar for me...
[13:45] <dreamcoder> ah right i had alot of problems with gutsy espeacilay with password protected files
[13:46] <devilsadvocate_> ah. never tried pw protected ones myself. sorry
[13:46] <xanax`> I ran adept (on a kubuntu 8.04) and it has finished downloading packages but it takes AGES to complete the installation (it seems it freezes after downloading packages), is it normal ?
[13:46] <devilsadvocate_> xanax`, how long has it been?
[13:46] <ForsakenSoul> can someone tell me if there is a way to change the permissions to a ntfs partition so everyone can access it
[13:46] <xanax`> about 5 minutes now
[13:46] <ForsakenSoul> no only the user or the groupt
[13:46] <baoji> gourdin: it will tell you if it wants to remove any packages in the installation--then you'll have an option to approve or not.
[13:47] <dreamcoder> i still cant decide between gnome or kde argh
[13:47] <devilsadvocate_> xanax`, and you see no atcivity at all?
[13:47] <xanax`> nope
[13:47] <devilsadvocate_> dreamcoder, i never could either. i ened up using kde apps on gnome and gnome apps on kde :|
[13:48] <dreamcoder> lol
[13:48] <dreamcoder> same as me
[13:48] <xanax`> I did the same half an hour with only one package this time.. it took a long time too. But now, with 78 packages.. it seems adept wants to take its time...
[13:48] <devilsadvocate_> xanax`, can you open up a terminal and run "top". see if the package manger is eating up cpu (As in still running)
[13:48] <dreamcoder> for instance i like konversation on gnome
[13:48] <xanax`> ok
[13:48] <xanax`> oh, it works now
[13:48] <xanax`> settings in progress..
[13:49] <devilsadvocate_> dreamcoder, i'm behind a proxy, so xchat and pidgin are my gnome apps, and firefox with gtk
[13:49] <devilsadvocate_> xanax`, cool
[13:49] <xanax`> it's weird though, that it takes so much time after downloading packages..
[13:49] <dreamcoder> i couldnt get xchat to connect to multiple servers (Auto connect)unless i was using the wrong verison or something
[13:49] <devilsadvocate_> dreamcoder, my kde apps on gnome were amarok, yakuake, kmail, knode. decided to go with kde since a bulk of my stuff was from there
[13:50] <dreamcoder> yeah me too amorak and also ktorrent
[13:50] <dreamcoder> amarok*
[13:50] <dreamcoder> and also k3b
[13:50] <gourdin> baoji: I'm going to use apt-get distupgrade, is there a best way to do the upgrade ?
[13:51] <dreamcoder> i think it may be just that gnome looks more polished and its newer to me why i am contimplating which one to use
[13:51] <xanax`> thanks for your help, devilsadvocate_
[13:51] <xanax`> bye
[13:51] <devilsadvocate_> gourdin, i think there is an update-manager that is supposed to do it nicely
[13:51] <ForsakenSoul> can someone tell me if there is a way to change the permissions to a ntfs partition so everyone can access it or just a folder in that partition
[13:51] <DexterF> !sound
[13:51] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[13:52] <baoji> gourdin: sudo adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel
[13:52] <baoji> gourdin: then click the Upgrade button on the right side of the toolbar
[13:52] <gourdin> baoji: devilsadvocate_ thx !
[13:52] <dreamcoder> cant find something solid to sway me to either side gnome or kde though
[13:53] <devilsadvocate_> ForsakenSoul, there is. unfortunately i dont remember it now. it has to do with changing a thing or two in /etc/fstab
[13:54] <leleobhz> 09:42 < Dragnslcr> leleobhz- assuming it's the same as in 7.10, yes, KDE4 installs separately from KDE3
[13:54] <leleobhz> Dragnslcr: im using ppa-packages
[13:54] <leleobhz> its safe make a dist-upgrade or is best to reinstall everything
[13:54] <leleobhz> ?
[13:55] <dreamcoder> i always reinstall fresh and clean
[13:55] <dreamcoder> personal pref though
[13:55] <devilsadvocate_> ForsakenSoul, just a folder in the partition is much more tricky. im not sure if it can even be done without serious gymnastics. basically you need to add an option called allow_other to the mount options. i dont remember what exactly the syntax is, i'm afraid
[13:55] <devilsadvocate_> dreamcoder, that is often not an option on production systems
[13:56] <dreamcoder> yeah there is varying factors to consider
[13:56] <sigma_1234> i just installed kde4 in hardy. how do i get it to run kde4 and not kde3?
[13:56] <SlimeyPete> sigma_1234: use the session menu in the login manager
[13:56] <devilsadvocate_> sigma_1234, in the KDM (login screen) you select KDE4 in teh session menu
[13:56] <SlimeyPete> (on the right)
[13:57] <sigma_1234> and why can i not logout of kde3 anymore? the screen just goes blank
[13:58] <devilsadvocate_> sigma_1234, when you click on logout?
[13:59] <sigma_1234> yes
[14:00] <reese> try ctrl-alt-backspace
[14:01] <devilsadvocate_> ctrl-alt-backspace is a little too extreme to be a real fix...
[14:01] <devilsadvocate_> sigma_1234, you are able to shutdown / reboot fine?
[14:02] <snikker> in the kdm screen (login and post-login) i have a low resolution (i think 640x480), how can i set it a 1024x478???
[14:05] <sigma_1234> wait im testing something
[14:12] <v6lur> ForsakenSoul, you could try adding option "umask=0" to that partititions entry in /etc/fstab
[14:16] <snikker> in the kdm screen (login and post-login) i have a low resolution (i think 640x480), how can i set it a 1024x478???
[14:19] <ligemeget> wtf, why can't I download: http://kde-look.org/content/download.php?content=37030&id=1&tan=49454157 ?
[14:30] <dick-richardson> in kde4 how do you autostart an application?
[14:32] <ligemeget> not many supporters today, are there...?
[14:32] <v6lur> ligemeget, because that domain has expired
[14:32] <ligemeget> v6lur, but I want the theme... :(
[14:38] <v6lur> ligemeget, did you see the last comment at http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Universe+Crimson?content=37030
[14:39] <TimS> Holy hell! The updater crashed, yet after a restart, everything appears to still be working!
[14:39] <TimS> Exccept for sound. Well, I knew there would be a catch!
[14:40] <TimS> How can I find out what version I am running on the command line??
[14:40] <v6lur> what version of what?
[14:40] <ligemeget> v6lur, I wrote him
[14:41] <TimS> Oh ubuntu v6lur
[14:41] <TimS> I want to see if it think I am running Hardy
[14:41] <TimS> The sound works now too, awesome!
[14:42] <v6lur> ligemeget, well that seems to be all you can do... i googled the theme, and everywhere the download link just points at that expired/"parked" domain..
[14:45] <v6lur> TimS, 'lsb_release -a'
[14:45] <TimS> Okay
[14:45] <TimS> Awesome! I am running 8.04 hardy, even though the updater crashed and I got errors that Kubuntu-destop wasn't installed properly =]
[14:45] <anthony_> hi, I am having trouble enabling desktop effects on kubuntu 8.04 kde4
[14:46] <digistyl3> hi, what exactly changed in kubuntu considering the mounting of harddisks?
[14:47] <anthony_> enabling the nvidia accelerated graphics driver(latest cards) crashes kde after the splash screen,
[14:48] <devilsadvocate_> TimS, i would suggest you run an apt-get upgrade once again to make sure you didnt leave out any packages
[14:48] <TimS> Alright, cheers =]
[14:48] <TimS> I think i may need to re-enable repositories first
[14:49] <devilsadvocate_> TimS, you have your repos diabled?
[14:49] <TimS> I think it does in the update, does it not?
[14:50] <linuxlover> i am going to install wine on my kubuntu gutsy. i have added winehq repository in my /etc/sources.list and also added the gpg key. now, opened adept installer and i can see 'Wine Windows Emulator' under Office; and 'Windows Applications Wine Configuration' under Settings. which one should i install? or install both?
[14:50] <devilsadvocate_> it changes the repos to the newest ones. i dont really remember if it adds new ones, though
[14:50] <devilsadvocate_> linuxlover, Wine Windows Emulator. It should pull in the config one along with it
[14:51] <TimS> devilsadvocate_: Ones like medibuntu are disabled now, I am just changing them to hardy first
[14:51] <devilsadvocate_> TimS, ok
[14:52] <linuxlover> devilsadvocate : thank you for your quick reply. i am now going to install that one
[14:52] <TimS> devilsadvocate_: Something odd, adept looks different, the fonts are slightly blury and the style looks different to normal apps
[14:53] <devilsadvocate_> TimS, run a sudo apt-get update
[14:53] <TimS> Its only medibuntu packages that need updating, i am updating now
[14:54] <TimS> I think its because its running as root, its using different styles and fonts
[14:54] <devilsadvocate_> TimS, i suppose its possible. It may be because kde4 applications (if you are running kde4) have significantly differnet lok and feel than kde3 ones
[14:54] <TimS> No, I am still on kde3
[14:55] <TimS> Odd :p
[14:56] <TimS> Locate doesn't work anymore!
[14:56] <amerigo_> ! game
[14:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about game - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:56] <amerigo_> !games
[14:56] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[14:57] <devilsadvocate_> TimS, doesnt work as in?
[14:57] <Ax-Ax> How do you spell the plural form of 'activity'?
[14:57] <_julian> hi all
[14:57] <TimS> "locate: can not open `/var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db': No such file or directory"
[14:57] <_julian> does kubuntu 8.04/kde4 offer compiz support?
[14:58] <devilsadvocate_> Ax-Ax, activities
[14:58] <Ax-Ax> :)
[14:58] <linuxlover> devilsadvocate: i am getting an error while trying to install wine. the error says, "There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages."
[14:58] <devilsadvocate_> TimS, strange. i dont know why an upgrade would break that
[14:59] <linuxlover> i have performed sudo apt-get update
[14:59] <TimS> devilsadvocate_: I have googled a bit, seems I need to do a "sudo updatedb"
[14:59] <devilsadvocate_> linuxlover, can you run "apt-get install wine" and pastebin the output?
[14:59] <linuxlover> devilsadvocate: sure, doing that
[14:59] <_julian> or does kde4 itself include usable desktop effects?
[15:00] <devilsadvocate_> _julian, it does
[15:00] <_julian> ah I just found it (c:
[15:00] <_julian> looking for a destop cube... I love that thing
[15:00] <devilsadvocate_> _julian, it doesnt have a desktop cube
[15:00] <devilsadvocate_> not yet, anyway
[15:00] <_julian> )c:
[15:01] <SSJ_GZ> _julian: Someone is writing one for his GSoC project.
[15:01] <_julian> ah cool
[15:01] <linuxlover> devilsadvocate: sudo apt-get install wine showing, "
[15:01] <linuxlover> Err http://wine.budgetdedicated.com gutsy/main wine 0.9.59~winehq0~ubuntu~7.10-1
[15:01] <linuxlover>   404 Not Found [IP: 88.159.206.7 80]
[15:01] <linuxlover> Failed to fetch http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/pool/main/w/wine/wine_0.9.59~winehq0~ubuntu~7.10-1_i386.deb  404 Not Found [IP: 88.159.206.7 80]
[15:01] <linuxlover> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[15:02] <devilsadvocate_> linuxlover, is there any specific reason you arent using ubuntu's package?
[15:03] <linuxlover> devilsadvocate: sudo apt-get isntall wine.... now the error :
[15:03] <linuxlover> Err http://wine.budgetdedicated.com gutsy/main wine 0.9.59~winehq0~ubuntu~7.10-1
[15:03] <linuxlover>   404 Not Found [IP: 88.159.206.7 80]
[15:03] <linuxlover> Failed to fetch http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/pool/main/w/wine/wine_0.9.59~winehq0~ubuntu~7.10-1_i386.deb  404 Not Found [IP: 88.159.206.7 80]
[15:03] <linuxlover> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[15:03] <linuxlover> sorry posted twice.........very sorry
[15:03] <devilsadvocate_> !pastebin > linuxlover
[15:03] <devilsadvocate_> hm
[15:03] <devilsadvocate_> anyway, its better to post things like that on pastebin.com or somthine to avoid flooding
[15:04] <Ahmuck> opening up adept, and finding all compiz packages and  "sudo aptitude purge blah blah" appears to fix the whole compiz problem
[15:05] <linuxlover> what is pastebin? don't know all these............ can i install wine for me?
[15:05] <devilsadvocate_> linuxlover, is there any specific reason you arent using ubuntu's package?
[15:05] <devilsadvocate_> linuxlover, why did you add the wine repo?
[15:06] <linuxlover> i searched in google and i found winehq. then i proceed as directed by them
[15:06] <devilsadvocate_> linuxlover, ok
[15:06] <devilsadvocate_> linuxlover, i suggest you remove the wine repository, run an apt-get update, and then try again
[15:07] <_julian> any suggestions for a kde3 style that better fits the oxygen style of kde4?
[15:08] <linuxlover> ok ..... but that is installing older version of wine (probably before 2005) because i got an error message with that installation of wine
[15:09] <devilsadvocate_> linuxlover, its wine 9.59
[15:09] <linuxlover> still if you suggest, i can install it once more
[15:09] <linuxlover> ok devilsadvocate, i going to install that once again
[15:09] <_julian> oh and another question: how do I configure  my side mousebuttons to do forward/backward in the browser?
[15:11] <Black_Monkey> hi, I just upgraded to hardy, and my mouse (USB, Logitech MX1000) isn't working - anyone else had this problem?
[15:11] <crashhandler> where can i found default kde startup sound,somewhere on the net?
[15:12] <devilsadvocate_> crashhandler, you can find it on your computer
[15:12] <devilsadvocate_> :P
[15:12] <devilsadvocate_> (if you have kde that is)
[15:12] <poseidon> Is there a command-line argument where I can give my root password, so that it doesn't prompt me.  ie I use kate a lot as sudo, and I would like to be able to put kdesudo kate and my password so it doesn't prompt me every time I open it
[15:12] <devilsadvocate_> poseidon, thats kindof against the whole idea of sudo
[15:13] <crashhandler> devilsadvocate_^ all of kde sound on my kubuntu suddenly,disappeared
[15:13] <crashhandler> :(
[15:13] <devilsadvocate_> crashhandler, as in the soundfiles disappeared?
[15:13] <poseidon> devilsadvocate_, It seems like i have to pretty much sudo everything.
[15:13] <crashhandler> devilsadvocate_ yes,fully disappeared
[15:15] <devilsadvocate_> poseidon, whatever you have to sudo to edit is a file that you should take care while editing.
[15:15] <devilsadvocate_> poseidon, i dont know of anything that will set the password across sessions, but suring one session (on one terminal) you can use sudo -s
[15:15] <devilsadvocate_> sudo -i*
[15:15] <anthony_> hi, i have a nvidia 7300 go on a laptop and enabling the nvidia accelerated graphics driver(latest cards) crashes kde after the splash screen,
[15:16] <poseidon> devilsadvocate_, ok, that will help a little.  Thanks
[15:17] <devilsadvocate_> crashhandler, strange. You can find the files somewhere, i guess, but i have a feeling the problem is elsewhere
[15:19] <linuxlover> devilsadvocate: installed wine 9.46 from ubuntu.... now may you please help me to install IE7 (already downloaded the .exe file)
[15:19] <soulrider_> linuxlover: are you sure you want ie 7?
[15:19] <linuxlover> yes
[15:20] <soulrider_> uhm ok
[15:20] <soulrider_> im guessing its like a regular install
[15:20] <soulrider_> where is your exe loated?
[15:20] <soulrider_> located*
[15:20] <linuxlover> soulrider: i am not able to run some application as they are not finding ie in my windows (here my wine)
[15:21] <soulrider> i see
[15:21] <soulrider> im not sure if ie7 works actually =/
[15:21] <soulrider> hold on, let me google, thatw ill be easier :P
[15:21] <linuxlover> ok........
[15:22] <soulrider> http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/news/ check this out
[15:24] <linuxlover> opening that
[15:25] <linuxlover> soulrider: i need to install ie>ver 5
[15:25] <kreib> when copying a python file in the terminal by right click and pasting, a crazy amount of tabs are placed into the result. How to prevent this?
[15:25] <thecapt> hi
[15:26] <thecapt> I am having a problem with nvidia-settings, it detects one of the monitors as a 640x480 and I cannot find a way to override the wrong autodetected setting
[15:27] <kreib> edit xorg.conf at all the places where 640x480 and replace with your res of choice
[15:28] <thecapt> kreib, ok, is there also a way you know of of letting nvidia-settings to enable me to override it's findings? the button for it is disabled
[15:28] <kreib> no sorry, not using nvidia
[15:29] <soulrider> linuxlover: that also works for ie 6 and 7 i believe
[15:29] <kristian__> hi to al
[15:30] <linuxlover> soulrider: if i use 5
[15:30] <ElegantAngel> Hi all
[15:30] <ElegantAngel> on the new Hardy, which imlementation of Java works best ?
[15:31] <ElegantAngel> sun java ? openJDK ? free java ?
[15:31] <Diex> hi, someone speaking spanish ?
[15:31] <bazhang> !es
[15:31] <ubotu> Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[15:31] <soulrider> ElegantAngel: IMO, sun always works best
[15:31] <ElegantAngel> thanks solrider
[15:33] <kreib> when copying a python file in the terminal by right click and pasting, a crazy amount of tabs are placed into the result. How to prevent this?
[15:33] <Nole> can someone help me get wine working on kubuntu dapper?
[15:34] <Algyz> Nole:  what's not working?
[15:34] <rohan> for anyone finding firefox really ugly by default in kubuntu hardy, i suggest doing "sudo aptitude install qtcurve", then go to kcontrol -> appereance -> gtk styles and fonts -> GTK Styles select "Use another style" - there select QtCurve
[15:34] <Nole> Algyz: im kinda lost on what to do
[15:34] <rohan> after that firefox looks absolutely cool, and well integrated with the kde theme too :)
[15:35] <Algyz> Nole:  $wine /way/to/your/file
[15:35] <Nole> Algyz: i have the .deb package on my desktop and now i dont konw what to do
[15:36] <Algyz> Nole:  .deb has nothing about wine
[15:36] <flipstar> he probably means wine.deb
[15:37] <Nole> yes
[15:37] <Algyz> Nole:  just click this .deb
[15:37] <verduz> I can't find an example of kubuntu 8.04 sources.list. Anyone can help me?
[15:37] <Algyz> Nole:  the other way is: sudo dpkg -i /way/to/deb/file
[15:37] <Nole> Algyz: then it loads ark and i get an error
[15:38] <Algyz> Nole:  then do this another way ;)
[15:38] <_julian> can anybody tell me how to configure imwheel to work with kde4? - imwheel -c detects the buttons like I want it to, but no events happen ie in konqueror
[15:39] <Nole> Algyz: thanks i think its working now
[15:39] <Algyz> I hope that :)
[15:39] <Nole> Algyz: its done installing i think
[15:40] <Nole> i should just be able to pop in a game and it should load now right?
[15:40] <ElegantAngel> someone know the besto solution for FLASH on AMD64 ?
[15:41] <Alex_alex>  hello everybody, I've got a question about kde. Where can I configure the positions of the icons in the kde desktop?
[15:41] <ElegantAngel> i mean using with Firefox ?
[15:41] <Alex_alex> I've got a transparent konsole and new icons are created behind it
[15:41] <flipstar> Alex_alex: just drag and drop them
[15:41] <flipstar> Nole: if it is a supported game, yes
[15:41] <Algyz> !flash | ElegantAngel
[15:41] <ubotu> ElegantAngel: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[15:41] <Nole> flipstar: ok
[15:42] <Alex_alex> the problems is new icons (when I insert a USB drive)
[15:42] <ElegantAngel> OK
[15:42] <ElegantAngel> thx ubotu
[15:42] <Alex_alex> (are, sorry for my english)
[15:42] <Algyz> Nole:  look for supported games in www.winehq.org
[15:42] <flipstar> !bot | Alex_alex
[15:42] <ubotu> Alex_alex: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[15:42] <Nole> Algyz:thanks
[15:43] <Kiry> morn
[15:43] <Kiry> I have a stupid question about the 8.04 release and why the sound isn't working anymore
[15:45] <jhutchins> Kiry: Yeah, that's happening.  Pulseaudio is coming along and sortof replacing alsa in order to accomodate new cards.
[15:45] <jake> rohan: that made firefox look much nicer thanks.
[15:45] <Kiry> ah, so I'm not the only one who got nailed?
[15:45] <Kiry> don't feel *quite* so bad then
[15:45] <tseug> hello, i cannot get my Home folder to open.  when i click the Home icon, all my desktop items disappear and nothing else happens. this began after upgrading to Hardy.  any ideas how to fix this?
[15:45] <Kiry> is there a way to fix it?
[15:46] <jhutchins> Kiry: Yes, but I'm going to let someone more familiar with 8.10 help you.
[15:46] <Kiry> yeah!
[15:46] <tseug> the thing is, i can access my programs that are within Home using the terminal, but i can't cd to home directory itself, only in directory within Home folder
[15:46] <DaveDorm> y'all be nice to Kiry she's my padewan
[15:46] <weswh-> has anyone done a feisty => hardy upgrade?
[15:46] <tseug> yes
[15:47] <DaveDorm> but she's 200+ miles away and I can't help her :)
[15:47] <Nole> Algyz: i got it to run diablo so i guess i got it to work
[15:49] <vicky123_> hi everybody, i hav pentiun dual core processor. so which ubuntu i should download. (PC (Intel x86) desktop CD or 64-bit PC (AMD64) desktop CD)?
[15:51] <Walzmyn_> vicky123 do you want 32 bit or 64 bit?
[15:51] <will00> ey im lookin to figure out how to transfer a call from my phone to my computer, anyone have any idea how to do that
[15:52] <Algyz> vicky123_:  how much ram do you have?
[15:52] <Algyz> weswh-:  after upgrade I had to reinstall everything :D
[15:53] <Algyz> System didn't boot, so I made fresh install
[15:53] <MilitantPotato> Same here Algyz, I got a busy box and nothing else
[15:53] <vicky123_> i have 512mb ram
[15:53] <Algyz> vicky123_:  use intel x86
[15:54] <vicky123_> can u plz explain me why
[15:54] <Algyz> vicky123_:  64 bits are for those with plenty of ram
[15:54] <MilitantPotato> vicky123_: the only real advantage to a desktop user for X64 is the ability to use more then 3.2gb of ram.  32 bit operating systems have a limit of 3.2gb
[15:54] <Algyz> if machine has =<2GB of it, i'd recommend x86
[15:55] <vicky123_> i hav another 128mb ram if reqd. i can use that also
[15:55] <vicky123_> ok i got it
[15:55] <Algyz> vicky123_:  no, use alternate
[15:55] <vicky123_> ok thanx buddy
[15:55] <MilitantPotato> vicky123_: Most applications are made for 32 bit, it's much easier to get hardware and software working in 32 bit also.  :)
[15:55] <flipstar> btw with the HIGHMEM option the 32bit kernel also supports more than 4gb
[15:56] <Algyz> vicky123_:  I'm afraid live cd will not boot on 128MB
[15:56] <Walzmyn_> I didn't realize 32 bit was limited to 3.2Gb of ram
[15:56] <Algyz> flipstar:  yeah, I heard this somewhere :)
[15:56] <vicky123_> no . i'm saying i can add that ram also with 512mb
[15:56] <MilitantPotato> It's really 4gb Walzmyn_but video memory and the bios use up a lot of it.
[15:56] <Algyz> vicky123_:  not sure, ask specialists
[15:57] <flipstar> vicky123_: 64bit will probably bring more trouble for you than benifits
[15:57] <Algyz> vicky123_:  normally when people buying ram, it's better to do ramtest
[15:57] <Walzmyn_> MilitantPotato, ah.
[15:57] <MilitantPotato> vicky123_: it's best not to mix and match RAM, linux doesn't need much, but you could try it.  It might cause instability.
[15:57] <Algyz> vicky123_:  better don't do it
[15:57] <Algyz> 512 is enough
[15:57] <MilitantPotato> vicky123_: buying identical ram sticks is generally the best way to go, especially if your computer can do dual channel RAM
[15:58] <Algyz> yeah
[15:58] <Walzmyn_> Any body here familiar with KVM?
[15:58] <Walzmyn_> vicky123_ how fast is your processor?
[15:58] <Nole> can someone help mw with running diablo in wine
[15:59] <vicky123_> 2.66gHz
[15:59] <MilitantPotato> Nole: try #winehq
[15:59] <will00> can anyone tell me how to use my computer as a bluetooth headset for my phone?
[15:59] <MilitantPotato> will00: heavy headset :)
[16:00] <Walzmyn_> vicky123_ Wow, I would think you'd want more RAM just to satisfy your processor
[16:00] <Algyz> Nole:  try in #winehq
[16:00] <Nole> Algyz: i did
[16:00] <Algyz> nobody?
[16:00] <Algyz> what kind of trouble?
[16:01] <Ahmuck> man, hardy is seriously problematic
[16:01] <MilitantPotato> Nole: diablo 2?
[16:01] <Nole> how do i change my res back to normal if a program resizes it and doesn't change it back
[16:02] <Nole> MilitantPotato: original diablo
[16:02] <Algyz> Ahmuck:  seems that :|
[16:02] <will00> militantpotato, is that a package that needs to be installed?
[16:02] <Algyz> Ahmuck:  reinstalled everything today after upgrade :D
[16:02] <Ahmuck> compiz really screws it up
[16:02] <Ahmuck> purging does not help
[16:02] <Algyz> seems like beta :)
[16:02] <flipstar> Ahmuck: try running <kwin --replace>
[16:02] <MilitantPotato> will00: I'm not sure
[16:02] <will00> hmmm
[16:02] <Algyz> firefox beta included :)
[16:03] <MilitantPotato> I installed firefox 2
[16:03] <Nole> MilitantPotato: i try to play it and it just crashes
[16:03] <MilitantPotato> had to edit some script file for java to work, but otherwise I'm happy with gutsy
[16:03] <will00> militantpotato what exactly is heavy handset
[16:03] <MilitantPotato> Nole: origional seems to not work well, check ttp://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=49
[16:03] <MilitantPotato> er, http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=3498
[16:04] <Nole> oh than ill install 2
[16:04] <MilitantPotato> will00: carying a PC around to use as a headset :)
[16:04] <Algyz> Nole:  start from terminal and look, what errors it's causing
[16:04] <Nole> MilitantPotato: do you know what the video card requirement for d2 is
[16:04] <will00> -_-
[16:04] <Algyz> Nole:  $wine /program
[16:04] <MilitantPotato> Nole: nope, try google
[16:05] <will00> militantpotato so is there a way to connect my phone to my computer so i can use the mic and speaks on the comp?
[16:05] <MilitantPotato> will00: I've no idea, sorry
[16:05] <Nole> will00: look on hackaday i think theres on on there
[16:05] <will00> ok
[16:05] <Ahmuck> Algyz: beta was more stable than this
[16:06] <Ahmuck> seriously, firefox3 and some of the other "beta" stuff should have been saved for the next release
[16:06] <Nole> will00: or on i-hacked.com i remember seeing a tutorial on that somewhere
[16:06] <will00> ok
[16:07] <MilitantPotato> Ahmuck: Firefox beta has been marked as ready for the public
[16:08] <MilitantPotato> Ahmuck: all they're doing in the final is some minor GUI updates
[16:08] <Walzmyn_> I get these names goofed up, which one's gusty?
[16:08] <MilitantPotato> 7.10
[16:09] <MilitantPotato> they're all alphabetical, gutsy= 7.10, hardy = 8.04
[16:09] <MilitantPotato> the 9.10 will start with an i
[16:09] <Nole> hey they are aphebitical
[16:09] <Algyz> I was hoping to stay with kubuntu....
[16:09] <Walzmyn_> MilitantPotato, well. I'd missed the alphabetical bit
[16:09] <Algyz> But after adept upgrade today system did not started :|
[16:10] <Algyz> So now I have ubuntu 8.04 in another partition :)
[16:10] <Algyz> not kubuntu
[16:10] <MilitantPotato> Algyz: install kubuntu-desktop
[16:10] <MilitantPotato> and walla :)
[16:10] <Algyz> because somehow kubuntu isn't LTS :(
[16:10] <Walzmyn_> So, is anybody here familiar with KVM?
[16:10] <Algyz> Yeah, I know, thx :)
[16:10] <Algyz> MilitantPotato:  I think I'll do this one day
[16:10] <dthacker> Algyz: there are good reasons that kubuntu is not LTS
[16:11] <Algyz> why so?
[16:11] <MilitantPotato> KDE 3.5 is being phased out
[16:11] <Algyz> Fortunately I have FreeBSD, which I'm using now :)
[16:11] <dthacker> briefly, because of KDE4.  but that is an offtopic discussion
[16:11] <Algyz> I like KDE 3.5 :)
[16:11] <Algyz> okay, sry
[16:12] <Walzmyn_> LTS?
[16:12] <dthacker> long term support
[16:12] <Algyz> Long Time Suppor
[16:12] <Algyz> term
[16:12] <Walzmyn_> ah
[16:12] <Algyz> Sry, english is not my native :)
[16:12] <Ahmuck> MilitantPotato: in firefox beta, radio buttons do not work properly
[16:13] <dthacker> Algyz: you do just fine :)
[16:13] <Walzmyn_> Algyz, ha! your english looks pretty good to me
[16:13] <Ahmuck> MilitantPotato: in addition, there very few extensions, one of those, firebug, is not installable
[16:13] <dthacker> Ahmuck: file a bug in launchpad
[16:13] <Nole> i know this isnt kubuntu related but could you fry a 56k modem if you aren't grounded while touching it?
[16:14] <Walzmyn_> you can fry anything if you're not grounded when you touch it
[16:14] <Ahmuck> icy iguanna
[16:14] <Nole> ok thats what i think i did to my modem
[16:14] <Ahmuck> that will be the next one ... har har har
[16:14] <Nole> icy iguanna nice one
[16:14] <_Enissay_> hey, i copiying a verry big file from/to a windows partition and i got a lot of "Could not change permissions for file" messages, how to stop those messages?
[16:14] <MilitantPotato> Ahmuck: the lack of extensions is why I'm using firefox 2 still
[16:14] <Kiry> firefox beta ad block doesn't seem to be working
[16:15] <MilitantPotato> Ahmuck: I do agree that installing firefox 3 out of the box isn't the best idea IMO.
[16:15]  * dthacker beats head against desk
[16:15]  * Kiry slips a pillow between head and desk
[16:15] <Ahmuck> *shrugs*, i'm using it for now, waiting for firebug
[16:15] <Ahmuck> working around the bugs
[16:15] <Walzmyn_> dthacker, what did the desk do to you?
[16:15] <Algyz> _Enissay_:  first: sudo konqueror
[16:15] <Algyz> _Enissay_:  then copy ;)
[16:15] <Ahmuck> i'm split on the decision, to be considered stable, it should be stable, to get to stable you need testing, and what better way then to release it in a distro
[16:16]  * dthacker notes that the firefox bug fixers probably don't hang around this channel waiting for bugs to fix, and that if you really want a problem fixed, you should file a bug in launchpad
[16:16] <Ahmuck> kinda like ms testing of vista :-)
[16:16] <_Enissay_> the command to copy is...?
[16:16] <Algyz> dthacker:  I think mozilla developers have lots of work now :)
[16:16] <Algyz> _Enissay_:  it's "cp"
[16:16] <ubuntu> Hi i have a problem, i just installed 8.04 and when booting i get to the part where grub is about to load still in bios screen and it stops loading 'Grub _' i'm currently on livecd
[16:16] <Ahmuck> dthacker: point exactly.  if ff3 is b5, then why include it in a LTS version
[16:16] <Algyz> _Enissay_:  sudo cp /file /file
[16:17] <_Enissay_> Algyz: lol, thanks
[16:17] <Algyz> ;)
[16:17] <Walzmyn_> ubuntu, have you tried re-installing?
[16:17] <dthacker> Ahmuck: If you want to make an impact in an organization run by committees, get on the committee
[16:17] <ubuntu> brub?
[16:17] <Walzmyn_> ubuntulog, the whole thing
[16:17] <Walzmyn_> bah
[16:18] <Eruaran> He's using a live cd
[16:18] <Ahmuck> dthacker: to much red tape
[16:18] <Corban> i don't think that will work...coz i get same problem when trying to install fedora
[16:18] <Algyz> Corban:  just a moment
[16:18] <Eruaran> toh
[16:18] <MilitantPotato> Corban: Did you just install linux for the first time?
[16:18] <Corban> no
[16:18] <MilitantPotato> Corban: Try this, go into your BIOS, set your SATA controller to RAID
[16:19] <Eruaran> Corban: youre getting a Grub error during boot ?
[16:19] <Algyz> Corban:  did it boot earlier?
[16:19] <dthacker> bb;
[16:20] <Corban> ok...i had sabayon linux installed then formated and clean installed kubuntu
[16:20] <Nole> MilitantPotato: i installed 2d and now it wont recognize my play cd
[16:20] <Corban> it boots after a sabayon install
[16:20] <Corban> but not after kubuntu or fedora install
[16:21] <Eruaran> hmm ok
[16:21]  * Eruaran wonders what is different about a Fedora or Kubuntu install to Sabayon
[16:21] <MilitantPotato> Nole: http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=49
[16:21] <MilitantPotato> there's a guide
[16:21] <Corban> while in bios screens, it gets to the text GRUB and then goes no further
[16:22] <Mekzholan> Ahmuck: Firefox 3 also seems to use the theme for the 2 version - and thus has display bugs :(
[16:22] <Eruaran> Corban: I've heard of a grub boot error before, but I've never had it myself
[16:22] <Walzmyn_> corban does liveCD have a re-install grub option?
[16:22] <BluesKaj> howdy folks
[16:22] <Corban> i don't know
[16:22] <Corban> i'll check
[16:22] <Mekzholan> Kubuntu 8.04 also destroyed the mailto: functionality in firefox as well as the links in thunderbird
[16:22] <Eruaran> you can fix grub
[16:22] <Mekzholan> not very nice :(
[16:22] <Walzmyn_> Corban, just a shot in the dark
[16:22] <Eruaran> Mekzholan: I gave you a link for that
[16:23] <Eruaran> Mekzholan: its in the ubuntu forums
[16:23] <Mekzholan> Eruaran: I know :) Thanks :) - but why isn't that workinhg out of the box?!
[16:23] <Corban> i don't think so
[16:24] <Corban> man i was so stoked when i could boot the 8.04 livecd as 7.10 or Gutsy would not boot
[16:24] <Eruaran> Mekzholan: the default software that comes with kubuntu works out of the box
[16:25] <DarthFrog> Eruaran: Except compiz, which seems to do nothing
[16:25] <Leeuw> I messed with some settingz and now if I try to login om IRC with Kopete x resets; what's goimng on, any ideas ?
[16:25] <DarthFrog> Other than limit the pager to only two desktops.
[16:25] <Eruaran> DarthFrog: you have to install compiz as far as I know
[16:25] <Corban> grub is wack
[16:25] <DarthFrog> Eruaran: Been there, done that.
[16:25] <Mekzholan> Eruaran: Firefox also comes with (K)ubuntu, it's one of the packages. It is also one of the major applications, not a special one
[16:26] <DarthFrog> Leeuw: Delete that IRC account and create another.
[16:26] <Eruaran> DarthFrog: apparrently its easy in kubuntu 8.04, no messing around, just install
[16:26] <Walzmyn_> DarthFrog, you can make more than 2 desktops in compiz - the option is not labled desktops it's kinda non-intutive
[16:26] <Leeuw> that was my first hunch, but I didn' t mess with kopete, think still it' ll work ?
[16:26] <DarthFrog> Eruaran: Been there, done that.  Doesn't do anything.
[16:26] <Leeuw> DarthFrog: ﻿that was my first hunch, but I didn' t mess with kopete, think still it' ll work ?
[16:26] <Eruaran> Mekzholan: such is life
[16:26] <MilitantPotato> Corban: do you see the grub menu at all?
[16:27] <DarthFrog> Walzmyn_: Do you know if there is any documentation for using Compiz in Kubuntu Hardy?
[16:27] <Eruaran> DarthFrog: ok
[16:27] <Ahmuck> DarthFrog: compiz does work, to get real functionality from it you need to install the compiz settings manager, however, good luck.  once the settings are set, if you remove the compiz settings manager, your screwed.  in addition, it screws up the desktop pager somehow.
[16:27] <DarthFrog> Leeuw: Give it a shot.  Can't hurt.
[16:27] <Ahmuck> imho, compiz on kubuntu is alpha
[16:27] <Corban> i see no grub menu
[16:27] <Leeuw> DarthFrog: true
[16:27] <Corban> just the text GRUB
[16:27] <Walzmyn_> DarthFrog, not specifically - check the wiki
[16:27] <Corban> and it stops
[16:27] <Leeuw> DarthFrog: I will
[16:28] <MilitantPotato> !grub
[16:28] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[16:28] <Eruaran> Mekzholan: its fixed now isnt it ?
[16:28] <DarthFrog> Ahmuck: Tnx.  I'll check that out.
[16:28] <MilitantPotato> Corban: try and repair grub
[16:28] <MilitantPotato> Corban: can be done from the Live CD
[16:28] <Ahmuck> Mekzholan: did you do a upgrade?
[16:28] <Corban> how do u do that
[16:28] <DarthFrog> I was at a Hardy release party last night.  Compiz was being demoed.  I was blown away. :-)
[16:28] <Corban> just re-install or is there a special way to do it?
[16:29] <Mekzholan> Eruaran: "such is life" doesn't help to convince people coming from windows...
[16:29] <MilitantPotato> Corban: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto#head-f60bd54bfea5b5afbbb8eab20586240d973cdde3
[16:29] <MilitantPotato> Corban: do you know how to mount drives?
[16:29] <Mekzholan> Eruaran: didn't have time to fix the mailto: thing yet, but I'm sure it'll help. It won't fix the Thunderbird problem though
[16:29] <Corban> vagually
[16:29] <Leeuw> DarthFrog: strange... I'm on pidgin now, deleted kubuntu and made new, went nicely, tried #ubuntu (old) and kopete crashed, no x-reset though; lemme go back to KDE and try it all; thanx sofar, we' tre gettin'  there me thinx
[16:29] <MilitantPotato> sudo mkdir /media/sda
[16:29] <Mekzholan> Ahmuck: yes, just did an upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04
[16:30] <MilitantPotato> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/sda
[16:30] <MilitantPotato> and such
[16:30] <Ahmuck> Mekzholan: i had the same problem.  it does not appear that a full install has that problem
[16:30] <MilitantPotato> do a mkdir, then mount in that dir
[16:30] <Corban> i know that much
[16:30] <Corban> what do i need to mount
[16:31] <DarthFrog> Corban:  A drive partition to mount.
[16:31] <MilitantPotato> probably just your root partition for linux
[16:31] <MilitantPotato> if you installed grub to it
[16:31] <Mekzholan> Ahmuck: which problem (theme, mailto:, or thunderbird links)? how did you solve it?
[16:31] <Eruaran> Mekzholan: So what you're telling me is that if you have one problem using Kubuntu youre going to start whining and do the dummy spit and talk about Windows ? Go back to Windows then... Its not like Windows does not have more than its fair share of problems... Seriously I get really sick and tired of that kind of attitude: People will bend over backwards to solve their Windows problems, but if they have one problem with a
[16:31] <Eruaran> GNU/Linux distribution they throw a tantrum and whine about everything under the sun not working 'out of the box'... seriously, have you installed vanilla Windows lately ?
[16:31] <Corban> ok
[16:32] <Corban> i just have never manually edited linux partitions b4...only windows paritions
[16:32] <DarthFrog> Eruaran: You're condemning the poor fellow to Vista! :-)
[16:32] <Corban> i have been a linux user for the last month
[16:32] <Ahmuck> Eruaran: i use windows, yes.  but i don't have these type of bugs
[16:32] <Minnozz> Hello, when I don't have mixer in the drop-down list of KMix, does that mean there is no driver installed or something? I don't have any sound right now (Just installed 8.04)
[16:32] <Corban> hehe, i moved from vista to linux
[16:33] <Ahmuck> Eruaran: i don't use Vista, Vista is not windows LTS edition
[16:33] <MilitantPotato> Iha
[16:33] <Corban> btw all the help is greatly appreciated
[16:33] <DarthFrog> Corban: Then you should be well  motivated.
[16:33] <alnis> Corban: 1. Boot from your live CD
[16:33] <Mekzholan> Eruaran: common mate, have you eaten rooten mountain oysters?!?
[16:33] <Eruaran> The point remains the same. At work I've seen more than enough problems with Vista...
[16:33] <alnis> 2. Find on which partition you have /boot/grub
[16:33] <BluesKaj> Eruaran, good rant ! :)
[16:34] <Eruaran> BluesKaj: thx :P
[16:34] <Corban> ok i'm really lost with linux partitions
[16:34] <Ahmuck> no offence, but pointing out the flaws is what improves the distro.  some of you are like micrsoft flunkies (shhhh, don't talk to loud.  let's hide those flaws for as long as we can)
[16:34] <Leeuw> DarthFrog: am back in KDE now, tried it, same sh*t, x-reset; now on pidgin in KDE, no prob; what on earth could it be ?
[16:35] <Mekzholan> Eruaran: there are different reasons I'm using Linux - for quite a few years now. And the problem is not that I have to fix these problems. The problem is that Kubuntu gives a sub optimal user experience here
[16:35] <alnis> 3. from the console, type " grub" to enter grub shell
[16:35] <MilitantPotato> Linux tip: If you want things to work properly, avoid newly released software.
[16:35] <Ahmuck> Mekzholan: theme
[16:35] <DarthFrog> Mekzholan: Marcel Gagne has written several excellent books on coming to Linux from Windows.  Perhaps you might find them useful.
[16:35] <Ahmuck> MilitantPotato: heh, avoid kubuntu hardy for three months
[16:35] <Eruaran> Mekzholan: I tried to help...
[16:35] <alnis> 4. mount that partion in grub shel:
[16:36] <CygnusX1> Ahmuck: Ah...so this really is a beta release?
[16:36] <CygnusX1> Wait for service pack1?
[16:36] <Corban> whats the root password for livecd?
[16:36] <CygnusX1> heh
[16:36] <BluesKaj> well , I have some issues with Hardy , altho relatively minor they are still a PITA. For example the shut procedure is flawed on my setup. Gotta use the 3finger salute to get out of hardy.
[16:36] <DarthFrog> Leeuw: Use Adept to totally remove Kopete, including all the config files.  Then re-install it.  Worth a shot.
[16:36] <Ahmuck> DarthFrog: so, your telling me, the book explains why coming from windows to linux you will be loosing many hairs?
[16:36] <alnis> corban: none
[16:36] <Mekzholan> Eruaran: something that Windows users (which we are trying to convince to try Linux) are not seeing (e.g. becaus they are using a monolithic system and not a very variable one like Linux with different desktop environments)
[16:36] <Corban> ok..thnx
[16:36] <MilitantPotato> Corban:
[16:36] <BluesKaj> err shutdown procedure
[16:36] <MilitantPotato> find /boot/grub/stage1
[16:36] <Corban> none didn't work
[16:37] <Corban> in terminal
[16:37] <MilitantPotato> should be ubuntu
[16:37] <MilitantPotato> iirc
[16:37] <Corban> alka konsole
[16:37] <Algyz> !lv | alnis
[16:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lv - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:37] <Leeuw> DarthFrog: I just did , pray to the big chip in the sky while I try
[16:37] <Algyz> alnis:  #ubuntu-lv
[16:37] <DarthFrog> Ahmuck: Well, I don't know about that.  But it explains, very well, much that a Windows user needs to know.
[16:38] <Corban> none of the below are working .. "" "ubuntu" "kubuntu"
[16:38] <DarthFrog> Leeuw: And if Pidgin works for you, then use it.
[16:38] <Mekzholan> Eruaran: I appreciate your help very much, but ranting about windows when there's a but in the distribution of our choice wasn't very helpfull...
[16:38] <Eruaran> Mekzholan: I don't believe in trying to convince people. If someone really wants change, they will go for it. Others will look at you like you're a Jehovas Witness for even mentioning Linux. I'm not into the hard sell.
[16:38] <Leeuw> It does, but I like Kopete better, and I can' t stand loose ends in my rig
[16:38] <DarthFrog> Eruaran: Zigzactly!
[16:38] <MilitantPotato> Corban: try sudo su
[16:38] <Leeuw> DarthFrog: it worked befor
[16:38] <Corban> ok
[16:39] <Leeuw> DarthFrog: before I went xploring
[16:39] <DarthFrog> Leeuw: Try creating a different account in Kubuntu and see if Kopete works from that new account.
[16:39] <Mekzholan> Eruaran: isn't more convincing for people if they try something new that that works much better thant their old crap? I wasn't talking about force feeding... ;)
[16:40] <Mekzholan> Ahmuck: did you solve the theme problem? I've just installed a 3.0 beta 5 theme and it's (a bit) better - but still not there...
[16:40] <Eruaran> If someone wants change they will welcome it. If someone had to have it sold to them, they will look at every little fault under a microscope and complain. You can't help that person because they don't really want it, they want to go back to what they were using before.
[16:41] <mih> ?
[16:41] <DarthFrog> Mekzholan: You have your experience and emotional reaction to that experience.  We can validate that reaction but cannot invalidate it.
[16:41] <Corban> hmmm
[16:41] <Corban> i have 3 different GRUBS installed in the MBR it seems
[16:41] <Minnozz> Anyone else having problems with sound (aka: no sound) on Hardy Heron?
[16:41] <Leeuw> DarthFrog: back again... reset again....   I did notice however that there' s 2 kopetes now, one regular and one kde4; where the * dd that come form... WIll try to remove both and reinstall; but meantime I' ll ask dif question, because my hunch sez that' s where the problem iz...
[16:41] <MilitantPotato> Corban: wow.
[16:42] <Corban> grub stage 1, 1.5 and 2
[16:42] <DarthFrog> Leeuw: Try creating a different account in Kubuntu and see if Kopete works from that new account.
[16:42] <Eruaran> Corban: that might be part of the problem ? ;)
[16:42] <Leeuw> DarthFrog: very good idea, since it did work in XFce...   will try later
[16:42] <Corban> ok
[16:42] <Corban> gona reboot and see if that worked
[16:42] <Corban> wish me luck
[16:42] <Eruaran> good luck
[16:43] <Leeuw> DarthFrog: first I' ll ask dif question, cause my hunch sez that could be source of trubble...
[16:43] <reisi> hi everyone! in case there's devs on the channels great job with kde4-remix
[16:44] <Ahmuck> Mekzholan: as far as i know.  i went with a full install of kubuntu after working with some bugs on the upgrade
[16:44] <Mekzholan> DarthFrog: no need for invalidation. I'm writing it here so that the problems can be solved (via an update) for all of those that won't write here (and esp. for those that tried kubuntu and are turned away by those litte inconveniences)
[16:45]  * Ahmuck is thinking about a re-install again to see if i can't fix the compiz settings retention thingy
[16:45] <Ahmuck> so, i'm curious, who is here from canocial (paid) as damage control on for this release?
[16:45] <Leeuw> I ticked to ' off'  some setting in KDE that said something like 'scan KDE at boot'  something like that, it had a warning that after changing stuff it could break the system; I forogot about it, did a lot of tweaking, and then the troubles began; missing start-menu (xcuse win-terminology), and trouble with IRC on Kopete, among other stufff; sys seeems right now again, but kopete keeps crashing on initiate IRC;...   I can' t find that setting back, wher
[16:46] <MilitantPotato> Ahmuck: do you own all the files in your home directory?
[16:46] <Eruaran> Mekzholan: sorry if I offended... I've had to deal with a few unresonable people lately...
[16:46] <Ahmuck> MilitantPotato: yes.  i have several partitions, one for virtual box, one for data, one for home, one for /var/www one for /usr/local, so it's trivial for me to wipe and reload
[16:47] <DarthFrog> Ahmuck: I've been running Hardy since Alpha 3.  Doesn't need damage control.  That a few people have problems with it doesn't translate to a universal experience.  A few people will have problems with anything new, one just hopes that it's not the same few people each time. :-)
[16:48] <Ahmuck> MilitantPotato: i've found the quickest way to "refresh" is to backup things like konversation logs, etc. and then do a "rm -rf ." on my home directory from a command prompt tty
[16:48] <Algyz> DarthFrog:  I had problems with upgrade. Huge problems :)
[16:48] <Eruaran> Downloading was much faster tonight
[16:48] <sui> hi
[16:48] <Ahmuck> MilitantPotato: that way i can tell if the problem is buried in my /home or in some other setting in /
[16:48] <DarthFrog> Algyz: Then backup /home and re-install instead of upgrading?
[16:48] <MilitantPotato> it took my wife's PC 8 hours to download 8.04
[16:48] <Ahmuck> before re-install
[16:48] <reisi> bittorrent worked fine yesterday, after you found a torrent file from somewhere :)
[16:49] <MilitantPotato> Ahmuck: sounds like a plan :)
[16:49] <Ahmuck> MilitantPotato: as an upgrade?
[16:49] <MilitantPotato> Ahmuck: via adept yes
[16:49] <Eruaran> How do I seed stuff with ktorrent so everyone can see it ?
[16:49] <Corban> ok back
[16:49] <reisi> Eruaran: i guess there was a post about that on the forums
[16:49] <sui> Eruaran: you do automatically
[16:49] <Corban> didn't work
[16:49] <MilitantPotato> Corban: did you follow that full guide?
[16:49] <Corban> i followed the repair part....whats the link again
[16:50] <MilitantPotato> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto#head-f60bd54bfea5b5afbbb8eab20586240d973cdde3
[16:50] <Corban> thnx
[16:51] <Eruaran> sui: not one that I've gotten via torrents already... I want to seed my kubuntu iso's that I have on my computer that aren't already being seeded by ktorrent...
[16:51] <Eruaran> reisi: I'll check
[16:52] <Ahmuck> Eruaran: locate a torrent for what you want to seed.  point the download to that directory.  at that point, ktorrent will check the iso and then begin seeding
[16:53] <Eruaran> thanks Ahmuck
[16:53] <sui> Eruaran: when you download a torrent file you normally have a column in which you can read the data you seed
[16:54] <sui> wuah, completely misunderstood the question ;)
[16:54] <Eruaran> sui: yes I know... but I have the kubuntu-desktop iso here which I ftp'd
[16:54] <Leeuw> ﻿I ticked to ' off'  some setting in KDE that said something like 'scan KDE at boot'  something like that, it had a warning that after changing stuff it could break the system; I forogot about it, did a lot of tweaking, and then the troubles began; missing start-menu (xcuse win-terminology), and trouble with IRC on Kopete, among other stufff; sys seeems right now again, but kopete keeps crashing on initiate IRC;...   I can' t find that setting back, w
[16:54] <Walkboss> Hello. I'm having a bit of trouble with my kubuntu installation. I decided to move my /home folder onto a new partition but kdm just crashes on login
[16:55] <MilitantPotato> Corban: sudo apt-get install gparted
[16:56] <kaminix> How do I make Kontact not close itself but only minimize to tray when I push the X button?
[16:56] <Walkboss> Any ideas on why this is happening?
[16:56] <sui> Eruaran: can you move the iso to your torrent-folder?
[16:56] <Corban> thn
[16:56] <MilitantPotato> Corban: make sure your linux is set active, and boot
[16:56] <Ahmuck> Walkboss: ln -s /newpartition /oldhomedirectory may fix it
[16:56] <Ahmuck> temporarily
[16:56] <sui> Eruaran: and restart ktorrent. perhaps this makes the download happen
[16:56] <Corban> it is
[16:56] <Odd-rationale> kaminix: edit the kamil pref the enable tray
[16:56] <Corban> i'm wanting to dual boot Kubuntu & OSx86
[16:56] <Odd-rationale> kmail
[16:56] <DarthFrog> Walkboss:  Did you edit the /etc/fstab file appropriately?
[16:56] <Leeuw> Walkboss: you have to do that sort of thing from another system, like a live cd, because the sys can' t go without a home folder; if you removed the old one you have to somehow remount the new one as /home; I ' m not to familiar thoug with xactly how to do that; anyoen ?
[16:56] <MilitantPotato> Corban: is the primary drive set as bootable?
[16:57] <Corban> well yeh otherwise i wouldn't see GRUB
[16:57] <Walkboss> I didn't edit it manually. I did a fresh install with sda1 as / and sda2 as /home
[16:57] <Corban> i need to wipe and rebuilt MBR
[16:57] <DarthFrog> Walkboss:  And is sda2 mounting properly as /home?
[16:58] <Walkboss> Yes
[16:58] <Corban> as i think i have like 6 different instances of GRUB in it
[16:58] <Walkboss> I can access the files via console
[16:58] <flaccid> hooray! i have the but where computer crashes with ati prop. driver when logging out with hardy!
[16:58] <DarthFrog> Walkboss: Anything in the log files?
[16:58] <Walkboss> but when I try to login, kdm crashes and restarts
[16:58] <Corban> stage1 is active i'm sure
[16:58] <Corban> tho
[16:58] <Walkboss> Where would I find those?
[16:58] <Odd-rationale> kaminix: look in settings --> configure kmail --> appearence --> system taray
[16:58] <Odd-rationale> tray
[16:58] <DarthFrog> Walkboss: /var/log is the usual place.
[16:59] <Walkboss> Ok, one second. I'm on a different computer
[16:59] <Leeuw> flaccid: congratulation !   Wanna buy my obsolete nvidia-card ? ;-)
[16:59] <BluesKaj> Corban, you may want to check the /boot/grub/menu.lst , to make sure "hiddenmenu" isn't enabled. Disable it by placing a # in front of it. Alt+F2, kdesudo kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[16:59] <Corban> i see
[17:00] <Corban> yeh it's enabled
[17:00] <flaccid> Leeuw: i have a notebook
[17:00] <Leeuw> flaccid: ehehehe
[17:00] <flaccid> :0
[17:00] <BluesKaj> place a # there so the menu is no longer hidden
[17:00] <Corban> lets try again
[17:00] <VousDeux> I cannot, for the life of me, seem to figure out how to modify the list of programs that are on the K-Menu. Can someone help me out?
[17:00] <Leeuw> flaccid: i CAN THROW IN A SOLDERING IRON AND AN CROWBAR ?
[17:00] <flaccid> if you stop shouting
[17:01] <Jucato> !caps | Leeuw
[17:01] <ubotu> Leeuw: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[17:01] <Leeuw> sorry fer capslock folks, I'm gonna take it off
[17:01] <Jucato> VousDeux: modify in what sense? you can right-click on the K Menu icon and select Menu editor
[17:01] <fildo> yay for caps locks u goon
[17:01] <Leeuw> flaccid: I know, sorry, it's to close to tab , really...
[17:01] <fildo> im all for cyber bullying :)
[17:01] <flaccid> fildo: you got initial hardy bugs?
[17:02] <fildo> yeah, major crash on logout
[17:02] <flaccid> ati or nvidia?
[17:02] <fildo> after first boot
[17:02] <fildo> nv mate
[17:02] <flaccid> but only happened once? mine is happening on every logout
[17:02] <VousDeux> Jucato: I'm trying to remove some programs that have been uninstalled, and move some items to other spots that make more sense to me. The Menu Editor option does not appear when I right-click.
[17:02] <fildo> uhm, mines a bit slow on the logout, but ive only tried it twice, its a fresh box
[17:03] <flaccid> im dissapointed
[17:03] <MilitantPotato> mine won't shut down
[17:03] <MilitantPotato> have to use rseiub every time
[17:03] <flaccid> seems pretty common problem
[17:03] <Jucato> VousDeux: KDE 3?
[17:03] <flaccid> rseiub?
[17:03] <Walkboss> ok DarthFrog.
[17:03] <fildo> why not released with kde4 ?
[17:04] <MilitantPotato> alt+ctrl+sysRQ   +  RSEIUB
[17:04] <MilitantPotato> emergency safe restart
[17:04] <VousDeux> Jucato: No, KDE4...I asked in #kubunto-kde4, but I didn't get any response yet.
[17:04] <SlimeyPete> fildo: kde4 doesn't work very well yet, for many people
[17:04] <Leeuw> VousDeux: click right on the menu-button, not the menu itself
[17:05] <Leeuw> VousDeux: or doesn' t that go on 4 /
[17:05] <Leeuw> ?
[17:05] <Jucato> VousDeux: first, to "refresh" the menus when you have uninstalled something, you can run the command "kbuildsycoca4"
[17:05] <fildo> fair enough
[17:05] <fildo> dosnt surprise me with the amount of bugs around
[17:05] <Walzmyn_> kde4 is imcomplete, lots of options not in yet
[17:05] <fildo> now im dissapointed
[17:05] <Walkboss> The only things that look remotely relevant are "(WW) NV: No matching Device Section for Instance (BusID PCI:0:10:3) found" -- which I'm guessing is something to do with the device section in xorg.conf. I guess that isn't relevant at all
[17:05] <Jucato> VousDeux: second, try running the command "kmenuedit4" to manually start the menu editor
[17:05] <fildo> newyas seeyas
[17:06] <VousDeux> Okay, thanks.
[17:06] <Walkboss> also: "Atom 4, CARD32 4, unsigned long 4" whatever that is supposed to mean
[17:08] <MilitantPotato> Speaking of not being able to shutdown, has anyone found a fix for it?  It starts closing aps, the GUI goes black and everything stops responding.  I can't open a TTY and shutdown that way.
[17:09] <Ahmuck> ctl-alt-f9 ?
[17:09] <emss> how do you disable konquerors scrollbars?
[17:09] <Minnozz> can anyone help me with fixing my audio under Hardy Heron?
[17:10] <VousDeux> Okay, the kmenuedit4 does not appear to exist yet, but kmenuedit loaded. Thanks again.
[17:10] <Jucato> VousDeux: hm.. strange... but ok :)
[17:10] <VousDeux> Oh, haha, I guess kmenuedit doesn't work on KDE4 menu...I'll bother the other channel about it...thanks anyway.
[17:11] <Ahmuck> is there a kubuntu-kde4 channel?
[17:11] <VousDeux> at least I know I can stop searching for it :)
[17:11] <Odd-rationale> Ahmuck: yes
[17:12] <Ahmuck> i'd be interested in that channel name, i'd like to see what problems is happening in kubuntu-kde4
[17:12] <Eruaran> Whats a good sharing site to set my tracker to so people can see it and it will start uploading ?
[17:12] <Walkboss> I've tried mounting sda2 (the partition with my home files in it) to a random mount point and having /home on the main partition. This worked fine so the I changed sda2 to mount under /home via the "Disks and Filesystems" settings, which also worked until I rebooted and am now unable to login to KDE
[17:15]  * Ahmuck sit's down for pizza
[17:16] <Minnozz> is there a known problem with SoundMAX chips and 64bit Linux?
[17:16] <BluesKaj> Minnozz, in the terminal type alsamixer
[17:17] <Minnozz> BluesKaj: "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory"
[17:19] <Leeuw> ﻿﻿I ticked to ' off'  some setting in KDE that said something like 'scan KDE at boot'  something like that, it had a warning that after changing stuff it could break the system; I forogot about it, did a lot of tweaking, and then the troubles began; missing start-menu (xcuse win-terminology), and trouble with IRC on Kopete, among other stufff; sys seeems right now again, but kopete keeps crashing on initiate IRC;...   I can' t find that setting back
[17:20] <BluesKaj> Minnozz, agian in the terminal, ' lspci | grep audio '
[17:20] <BluesKaj> again
[17:20] <Minnozz> BluesKaj: no output
[17:21] <x-X-x> so far so good on hardy heron
[17:22] <x-X-x> bit dissapointed that kde4 is still not finished and i had to installed kubuntu hardy heron kde3 version not remix
[17:22] <BluesKaj> ok Minnozz, just ' lspci ' this time..look for a line with 'audio controller ' in it
[17:23] <Minnozz> BluesKaj: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
[17:23]  * Minnozz note to self: use `grep -i'
[17:23] <BluesKaj> !intel-audio
[17:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about intel-audio - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:24] <x-X-x> anyone else having trouble downloading themes for emerald ??
[17:24] <x-X-x> on hardy ?
[17:25] <BluesKaj> looks like you need to download the drivers for the Intel Corporation 82801H, but I'm not sure. IIRC , there are some issues with Intel audio devices on kubuntu
[17:26] <x-X-x> i have intel integrated audio and it works fine on nix
[17:26] <Minnozz> BluesKaj: hmm okay, thank you :)
[17:26] <tobias> hi anybody, i just was upgrading to hardy (from 7.10) using the upgrade-wizard. now it crashed, firexfox won't run and i don't know what to do. can you help me?
[17:26] <BluesKaj> x-X-x, we're talking about Intel products , not integrated
[17:27] <Minnozz> BluesKaj: AFAIK this is an integraged chip...
[17:27] <BluesKaj> yes, most are
[17:27] <Algyz> tobias:  what you have now?
[17:27] <Minnozz> * integrated
[17:27] <x-X-x> Blueskaj kk sorry
[17:27] <tobias> Algyz: my system running as before, only some apps won't start
[17:28] <Algyz> tobias:  well, to be honest, I reinstalled whole system after upgrade :D :(
[17:28] <tobias> Algyz: the wizard simply dissapeared
[17:28] <BluesKaj> Minnozz, try the Intel support site for linux drivers
[17:28] <Algyz> tobias:  run them from terminal
[17:28] <tobias> Algyz: how?
[17:29] <Algyz> tobias:  $firefox
[17:30] <Algyz> tobias:  probably you'll see errors in terminal
[17:31] <ubuntu> ciao peolpe, qualcuno mi sa dire come operare da root in un live cd_
[17:31] <Odd-rationale> !it | ubuntu
[17:31] <ubotu> ubuntu: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[17:31] <Algyz> !it | ubuntu
[17:31] <emilsedgh> !it | ubuntu
[17:31] <Odd-rationale> too slow ;)
[17:31] <emilsedgh> :P
[17:31] <Algyz> :)
[17:32] <Arehucas> hola??? alguien en español??'
[17:32] <Odd-rationale> !es | Arehucas
[17:32] <ubotu> Arehucas: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[17:32] <ubuntu> thanks
[17:32] <Algyz> !es | Arehucas
[17:32] <Odd-rationale> too slow again....
[17:32] <Arehucas> ok, tanks
[17:32] <Algyz> :D
[17:32] <Odd-rationale> 2 -0
[17:32] <Algyz> Odd-rationale:  you won ;)
[17:33] <tobias> Algyz: hm, calling dkpg from the terminal seems to continue the update process...would the wizard perform any actions that won't be done this way and i need to do them manualley
[17:33] <Odd-rationale> Algyz: what client are you using?
[17:33] <Algyz> Odd-rationale:  kvirc+beer
[17:34] <Odd-rationale> Algyz: konversation is good.
[17:34] <Algyz> Beer is slowing process/accesing to keyboard :D
[17:34] <Algyz> Yeah, I know
[17:34] <Odd-rationale> Algyz: especially with nick completition
[17:35] <Odd-rationale> with tab, i get a list of names that begin with the same letter(s).
[17:35] <Algyz> Wow :O
[17:35] <Odd-rationale> In order of last spoken. not alpha betical
[17:36] <BluesKaj> ppl compalin about konversation not contain autolisted servers, but i don't miss that anymore :)
[17:36] <Algyz> I'll think about that, actually I'm not using Kubuntu now :)
[17:36] <Odd-rationale> Algyz: so if you spoke last before Arehucas, your nick would appear first in the list.
[17:36] <Odd-rationale> s/after/before
[17:37] <Algyz> Odd-rationale:  bsd 6.3
[17:37] <Odd-rationale> Algyz: freebsd?
[17:38] <Algyz> pcbsd
[17:38] <Odd-rationale> ok.
[17:38] <Algyz> easier to manage :)
[17:38] <Algyz> kubuntu just in next partition ;)
[17:38] <v6lur> what's the least painful way to rip some 20 CDs?
[17:38] <BluesKaj> Algyz, how's the hardware recognition with pcbsd ?
[17:39] <Algyz> BluesKaj:  more or less okay
[17:39] <Odd-rationale> Algyz: so pc-bsd --> freebsd as Ubuntu --> Debian ?
[17:40] <Algyz> BluesKaj:  well, my network card is down always during boot, though I tried different methods
[17:40] <Algyz> Odd-rationale:  something like that
[17:40] <Algyz> pcbsd is freebsd with installer, kde and some stuff
[17:40] <Algyz> not a fork
[17:41] <livingdaylight> Algyz, is it better than DesktopBSD?
[17:41] <Algyz> livingdaylight:  you can install desktopbsd-tools
[17:42] <livingdaylight> DesktopBSD is an os
[17:42] <Algyz> It is possible also with freebsd, they are in ports
[17:42] <Algyz> FreeBSD is an OS ;)
[17:43] <Algyz> Both above mentioned are only couple of packages with FreeBSD kernel
[17:43] <livingdaylight> i'm waiting for a pc-bsd or desktopBSD to do in the bsd world what ubuntu did in the Linux
[17:43] <Algyz> You can try pcbsd, good luck
[17:43] <livingdaylight> Algyz, true... but the installer n'stuff makes it noob friendly
[17:44] <Algyz> That's good :)
[17:44] <livingdaylight> last time i tried pcbsd it wasn't quite there yet... mainly lacking driver support
[17:44] <Algyz> But you can compile proudly
[17:44] <Algyz> http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?image=desktopaskc9.png
[17:44] <Algyz> Looks like this
[17:44] <Algyz> Most things are working
[17:45]  * Algyz sorry for a little offtopic
[17:45] <Odd-rationale> Algyz: so it includes ff by default?
[17:45] <Algyz> Odd-rationale:  yes
[17:45] <BluesKaj> yeah same here, but it's been 3 yrs since i tried bsd ...it was on an old pc and the hardwre wasn't recognized
[17:45] <Algyz> 2.0.0.12
[17:46] <BluesKaj> wel, most of it
[17:46] <Algyz> BluesKaj:  it's up to you now ;)
[17:46] <Odd-rationale> I might give it a spin in virtualbox.... I don't want to bork my new Hardy install... :)
[17:46] <Algyz> But... but kubuntu is also good :)
[17:46] <BluesKaj> no, I'll stick with kubuntu
[17:46] <Odd-rationale> does bsd use grub?
[17:47] <BluesKaj> lilo I think
[17:48] <Algyz> Odd-rationale:  I'm using Kubuntu GRUB to boot this stuff
[17:48] <Algyz> Don't install *BSD booter
[17:48] <Algyz> If you're using Linux in the same comp
[17:50] <Algyz> BluesKaj:  well, I gave just 15 GB for this another OS :)
[17:57] <livingdaylight> Algyz, another reason i don't use pcbsd; small community and empty support #channels
[17:59] <Algyz> livingdaylight:  good reason (seriously)
[18:00] <livingdaylight> Algyz, presumably you're not having those issues in kubuntu?
[18:03] <VousDeux> Is there a cursor theme editor? I have loaded a cursor theme, but two of the cursors are inverted...I would like to fix it if I can.
[18:03] <woddf2> Hello
[18:03] <Makuseru> What would you say the easiest way to upgrade to 8.04 from 7.10 would be?
[18:04] <woddf2> If KDE 4 crashed at start for me before in 7.10 Gutsy, will it crash at start in 8.04 Hardy?
[18:04] <Algyz> Makuseru:  you mean downgrade, isn't it? :D
[18:04] <Makuseru> Algyz: umm, what?
[18:04] <Arehucas> alguen me puede pasar de nuevo la direccion del irc hispano?
[18:05] <Algyz> Ah, OK, I misunderstood
[18:05] <Algyz> Arehucas:  la puta madre ;)
[18:05] <Makuseru> Algyz: oh, haha. i thought you were saying 8.04 wasnt as good as 7.10
[18:05] <Arehucas> jajaja, lo siento, tengo un caco que no veas
[18:05] <Arehucas> como entro en el irc hispano
[18:05] <Algyz> Makuseru:  well, I just reinstalled all the stuff
[18:05] <Arehucas> que me da que aqui son giris
[18:05] <Corban> well still no luck....i wiped my mbr i think...and now installing hardy for the 3rd time
[18:05] <Algyz> Arehucas:  O follamos todos, o la puta ol rio ;)
[18:05] <Arehucas> jajajajaja
[18:06] <Arehucas> venga, yo me la follo primero, despues los demas
[18:06] <Arehucas> jajajajaja
[18:06] <VousDeux> woddf2: unless you have a system specific bug, I would have to say no; because I have KDE4 on Hardy and it is loading just fine.
[18:06] <woddf2> Did it crash for you in Gutsy?
[18:06] <Arehucas> como veo los canales del irc?
[18:06] <woddf2> I mean
[18:06] <Arehucas> que hace un monton que no utilizo el mirc, me da que casi una decada
[18:06] <woddf2> VousDeux: Did it crash for you in Gutsy?
[18:07] <Algyz> !es | Arehucas
[18:07] <ubotu> Arehucas: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[18:07] <Arehucas> gracias, y lo siento
[18:07] <Algyz> ;)
[18:07] <VousDeux> woddf2: I didn't have it in Gutsy...that's why I said unless you have a system specific bug...
[18:07] <woddf2> Oh...
[18:08] <woddf2> Did anyone else use KDE 4 in Gutsy?
[18:08] <VousDeux> woddf2: I think I understand now that your question is whether or not an upgrade to Hardy would fix your KDE4 problem...I don't know the answer.
[18:09] <dave11> I cant get flash to fullscreen firefox 5 beta, is this a known bug?
[18:09]  * trident523 is afriad of the regular #ubuntu
[18:10] <woddf2> I want to know because I am debating whether or not to uninstall GNOME.
[18:10] <linuxguymarshall> Can I uninstall programs from a Kubuntu DVD. For example, if my computer locks up because of a program (As it seems to happen with my NVIDIA drivers quite often) can I uninstall these from a DVD? Because sure I could uninstall this from a terminal but what if I don't know the package name. Is this possible?
[18:10] <woddf2> I have personal data that I cannot back up because I do not have a CD burner.
[18:10] <trident523> linuxguymarshall: Like, remove it from the livecd boot?
[18:10] <linuxguymarshall> trident523:Preferably, or from text mode.
[18:10] <trident523> woddf2: It was working in hardy for me... but that's generally not the same now.
[18:11] <woddf2> trident523: Did you have KDE 4 in Gutsy? How stable was it?
[18:11] <trident523> woddf2: I never tried it in gutsy, sorry.
[18:11] <woddf2> Oh
[18:11] <SlimeyPete> linuxguymarshall: you mean you want to be able to boot the livecd/dvd, and then remove a package from the Kubuntu installation on your hard disk?
[18:12] <woddf2> Did anyone else use KDE 4 in Gutsy?
[18:12] <trident523> woddf2: But it's sort of wonky in hardy anyhow. (some stuff missing...etc.)
[18:12] <corban> success
[18:12] <kernco> How do I set up dual-monitors in KDE4?
[18:12] <corban> i fixed the mbr
[18:12] <trident523> kernco: What kind of graphics card do you have?
[18:12] <VousDeux> any idea why Kubuntu almost always thinks my battery is dead?
[18:13] <kernco> trident523: Nvidia 8800
[18:14] <linuxguymarshall> SlimeyPete:Yeah, sure it's a security issue but is there an easy hack to place a backdoor in my own system that would be only accesable through a custom Live CD. BTW, this is just a local machine that is not connected to the internet that I am talking about
[18:14] <trident523> I think xinerama still works now...
[18:14] <VousDeux> It doesn't seem to matter whether I have it plugged in or not, it keeps doing stuff like dimming the screen.
[18:14] <trident523> !xinerama | kernco
[18:14] <ubotu> kernco: xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[18:14] <amrush> hey all .. I have a problem logging out of a session .. everything goes black and i have to turn the computer off and boot it again .. anyway can help ..
[18:14] <linuxguymarshall> amrush:How long has this been happening?
[18:14] <SlimeyPete> linuxguymarshall: you could probably do it via a chroot, however I wouldn't be able to tell you exactly how. Might be worth googling a chroot howto and going from there.
[18:15] <linuxguymarshall> SlimeyPete:Thanks
[18:15] <amrush> yesterday, just upgraded to heron ..
[18:16] <linuxguymarshall> amrush:Did it happen as soon as you upgrade or did it take some time?
[18:16] <daimadoshi> Hi ! is anyone else having issues with the updateing process ? i cant even get past the fetching part
[18:16] <NightBird> ....hm...
[18:16] <amrush> linuxguymarshall: since i upgraded, i can't log out ..
[18:17]  * NightBird is still having problems with starting kubuntu from cd... it does the splash page, then dumps me at the BusyBox prompt
[18:17] <trident523> daimadoshi: Well, the servers are still being attacked with thousands upon thousands of downloads...
[18:17] <NightBird> it does it for kubuntu 32 and 64 bit, as well as ubuntu 64..
[18:18] <trident523> NightBird: Are you using wubi?
[18:18] <mischel> hello
[18:18] <trident523> mischel: Hi! This is #kubuntu.
[18:18] <mischel> i am new here
[18:18] <NightBird> trident523: nope, booting from the cd
[18:18] <NightBird> I don't have windows installed at all on my laptop actually
[18:18] <daimadoshi> trident523:i figured that it wouls be super slow, but not that i would get time outs
[18:18] <mischel> not bad not bad this programm
[18:19] <aleman> hello
[18:19] <daimadoshi> trident523:thanks though... it just confirmed my suspicions
[18:19] <trident523> NightBird: Oh. Hm... have some sort of different hard drive setup? (RAID...etc?)
[18:19] <trident523> daimadoshi: Heck, I got around to updating my old server.
[18:19] <trident523> daimadoshi: It was still running 6.06, with no updates installed. I'm still catching up. :P
[18:19] <NightBird> trident523: it's a classic single 2.5" laptop harddrive
[18:20] <mitko> само да попитам ако някой знае как да премахна искането на парола и потребител при стартиране на убунту нека каже ще съм благодарен
[18:20] <trident523> NightBird: Well, whenever I got the buisybox message, it meant that my hard drive was loaded incorrectly.
[18:20] <trident523> !ru | mitko
[18:20] <ubotu> mitko: Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[18:21] <mitko> българия
[18:21] <NightBird> there is an error stating "This (id 10ec:8139) is not an 8139C+ compatible chip" "8139cp 0000:08:02.0: Try the '8139too' driver instead."
[18:21] <NightBird> trident523: kubuntu 7.10 installed and ran from it just fine
[18:22] <trident523> NightBird: Have you asked #ubuntu? Sorry... I don't know of those sort of issues.
[18:22] <NightBird> I'll ask there since it happens to both distros
[18:23] <trident523> NightBird: I'm sort of avoiding #ubuntu right now... my brain can't take that many messages at once.
[18:24] <NightBird> trident523: I'm hoping nickname highlight will save me :P
[18:24] <linuxguymarshall> Does anyone use Automatix in KDE?
[18:24] <Dragnslcr> Hopefully no
[18:24] <dinart> i can't find the "Hardware information" on my ubuntu
[18:25] <dinart> in the help there are some refereces to it
[18:25] <dave11> !automatix
[18:25] <ubotu> Automatix is no longer developed or supported by its creators and is not recommended, supported or needed by Ubuntu. See http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html and « /msg ubotu WorksForMe »
[18:25] <trident523> linuxguymarshall: People sort of avoid automatix now... it's too much of a hasle.
[18:25] <dinart> i'm having some difficulties in installing my wireless usb adapter
[18:25] <trident523> dinart: What kind of wireless adapter?
[18:25] <dinart> !dwl g132
[18:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dwl g132 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:25] <trident523> ... oh.
[18:26] <linuxguymarshall> Dragnslcr: What are the downsides to using it? My friend just got Kubuntu but hates to compile source and work with a terminal. Is there a coultions besides Automatix for him?
[18:26] <aziz> quick question: I'm going to shrink an ext3 partition. Does qtparted also relocate the files if they reside in the blocks that are being freed?
[18:26] <trident523> dinart: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=a38135418b72be6d4dd28d70d4474e0d&p=909727&postcount=4
[18:26] <Dragnslcr> linuxguymarshall- has he tried Adept?
[18:27] <trident523> dinart: I follow outdated directions simetimes.
[18:27] <Dragnslcr> linuxguymarshall- most modern distributions have package managers these days
[18:27] <monolith> I upgraded to Hardy from 7.10 and now my sound doesn't work, Not in KDE not in KDE 4. The only thing that gives sound is KDE4's statup sound, nothing else.
[18:27] <dinart> trident523: thanks ^
[18:27] <dinart> ^^
[18:27] <vurv> hey.. i just upgraded from Feisty to Hardy.. everything went without a hitch, asked me to reboot.. rebooted, and since, Xorg won't load
[18:27] <vurv> kdm is running, but i have no Xorg
[18:27] <vurv> ideas?
[18:27] <trident523> monolith: Do you know what kind of soundcard you have?
[18:27] <vurv> when i try startx, it says it can't load the nvidia kernel module
[18:27] <linuxguymarshall> Dragnslcr:I tried but he loves alot of pictures. Can I state he just moved from Using M$ his whole like and ever worse just switched from Vista
[18:27] <trident523> vurv: What drivers are you using?
[18:27] <vurv> but nvidia-glx-new is installed
[18:28] <trident523> vurv: oh. What card?
[18:28] <vurv> FX 5200
[18:28] <vurv> everything was working fine in Feisty
[18:28] <Dragnslcr> linuxguymarshall- good for him, but what does liking pictures have to do with installing programs?
[18:28] <vurv> no issues
[18:28] <vurv> does glx-new have to be reinstalled or something?
[18:28] <trident523> vurv: Try running sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ... and chosing nvidia, not nv at drivers.
[18:28] <vurv> k, sec
[18:28] <ignman> how do I access the ubuntu default screensavers through kububntu?
[18:29] <monolith> trident523: Wait, scratch that. I just realised the 'PCM' slider was set to minimum in KMix. Sorry about that...
[18:29] <linuxguymarshall> Dragnslcr:He likes less text. He likes to click on an exe file and be done. Sure he can dig around the web for a .deb or install wine but for some reason everyone I convert hates package managers
[18:29] <trident523> monolith: Happens, people were up in arms about my model that the headphone port didn't work.
[18:30] <trident523> monolith: turns out, no one thought about the headphone slider/it got fixed in 8.04.
[18:30] <trident523> linuxguymarshall: What's wrong with a list? Click it off, click install... sit back and relax?
[18:31] <Dragnslcr> linuxguymarshall- if they prefer hunting around dozens of websites instead of typing in a name (or even just part of a name or description) and clicking the Install button, I don't know what else you can tell them
[18:31] <monolith> trident523: Ahh, I'm haveing some other problems with the upgrade though. Amarok won't read from the MySQL database I use for it's database properly.
[18:31] <Dragnslcr> linuxguymarshall- it really doesn't get much easier than Adept
[18:31] <navetz> can somebody please help me get a mail server set up?
[18:31] <trident523> monolith: Well, you're better than I. I use sqlite. :P
[18:31] <vurv> trident523: hm, didn't ask me for that
[18:32] <vurv> just a bunch of keyboard questions
[18:32] <vurv> hm
[18:32] <trident523> vurv: Well, try restarting and see what happens?
[18:32] <vurv> nothing
[18:32] <linuxguymarshall> Dragnslcr:Yeah, I know. I will go tell him to suck it up and use Adept.
[18:33] <monolith> trident523: Lol, It's strange. It seems to have reset all the track data after the upgrade for when I just load tracks via Album view. It's started a new playcount for example. But when I load the same song with a dynamic playlist. the orginal data apperas...
[18:33] <trident523> vurv: Hmm.
[18:33] <Dragnslcr> linuxguymarshall- Adept Install (KMenu -> Add/Remove Programs) even organizes everything by category
[18:33] <Dragnslcr> Er, Adept Installer
[18:34] <matrix> where i am
[18:34] <trident523> monolith: Well, maybe the newer amarok writes some data differently? Try asking their devs... maybe submit a bug?
[18:34] <monolith> trident523: Righty, I'll take this to the #amarok chanel. Thanks for the help anyway!
[18:34] <linuxguymarshall> Dragnslcr:Ok. I will relay that on to him
[18:35] <trident523> Y'know, if I am really on #kubuntu... I should be running KDE.
[18:36] <JoshOvki> trident523: does that mean i should really be just in  #kubuntu-kde4 ?;)
[18:36] <linuxguymarshall> In my Linux Format magazine I got the other day it had a dvd with some programs, FreeBSD,Ubuntu 7.10 and KDE4 Live. What OS is the KDE 4 live most likely build off of?
[18:37] <trident523> linuxguymarshall: OpenSUSE.
[18:37] <trident523> linuxguymarshall: It's probably this: http://home.kde.org/~binner/kde-four-live/
[18:37] <BluesKaj> trident523, there is an #ubuntu room :)
[18:37] <linuxguymarshall> trident523:Thanks
[18:38] <DreadKnight> !ldap
[18:38] <ubotu> LDAP is the Lightweight Directory Access Protocol. For more information and installation instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenLDAPServer
[18:38] <trident523> BluesKaj: I'm afraid of it... too many people around after a release.
[18:39] <trident523> Eh. Switching to KDE... running more KDE apps than GTK apps.
[18:39] <Odd-rationale> trident523: good choice!
[18:39] <v6lur> what's the quickest way to rip some 20 CDs?
[18:39] <Odd-rationale> v6lur: one at a time...
[18:39] <linuxguymarshall> v6lur:Starting now
[18:40] <yakuzi> i've a problem: i did a clean install with 8.04, but now kontact keeps crashing on me (like some e-mails don't show while they are there, quickly followed with a crash)
[18:40] <BluesKaj> therte were alotta ppl here 2 days ago too , but I guess a lot still don't understand that kde is the better desktop :)
[18:40] <linuxguymarshall> What media player do you guys use?
[18:41] <Algyz> linuxguymarshall:  try some of them
[18:41] <trident523> Hello again.
[18:41] <BluesKaj> kaffeine is a good one
[18:41] <JoshOvki> linuxguymarshall: VLC for videos and amarok for music
[18:41] <Algyz> totem also good
[18:41] <Odd-rationale> kaffeine works great for me too
[18:41] <linuxguymarshall> JoshOvki:that is what I am currently using
[18:42] <Odd-rationale> is there a qt/kde vlc frontend in the repos?
[18:42] <v6lur> Odd-rationale, linuxguymarshall, :D
[18:42] <v6lur> i meant, which program or so...
[18:43] <Odd-rationale> v6lur: k3b works great
[18:43] <Odd-rationale> brb. got to check the integrity of an iso I just burnt for a friend...
[18:44] <v6lur> ok, will try... right now i'm using konqueror and it's "virtual folders" feature, but it takes ~ 30 min per disc :(
[18:45] <Odd-rationale> v6lur: I never used that virtual folder feature.
[18:45] <Odd-rationale> v6lur: how does that work?
[18:45] <Odd-rationale> copy/paste?
[18:45] <tanio> hola..
[18:45] <linuxguymarshall> If my dad has a Windows server with all the music stored on it How can I access it through Amarok. Currently I can access it throught
[18:45] <tanio> que hay ..por aqui
[18:46] <linuxguymarshall> Konquerer but not throught amarok
[18:46] <tekteen> !es | tanio
[18:46] <ubotu> tanio: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[18:46] <tanio> mucha gracias ..Ñ=
[18:46] <trident523> linuxguymarshall: Well, two ways.
[18:46] <v6lur> Odd-rationale, you insert audio CD, open it in konqueror, and it shows several "virtual" files and directories there
[18:46] <v6lur> mp3, ogg, etc
[18:46] <Odd-rationale> v6lur: I noticed that.
[18:47] <trident523> linuxguymarshall:the way I do it is through tangerine and DAAP sharing... which can take some configuration.
[18:47] <v6lur> you an just drag them from there
[18:47] <Odd-rationale> v6lur: so If I want flac, just open the flac folder?
[18:47] <v6lur> yep
[18:47] <v6lur> and drag from there
[18:47] <Odd-rationale> copy/paste, done?
[18:47] <v6lur> yes
[18:47] <v6lur> but
[18:47] <trident523> linuxguymarshall: Tangerine is an app that you run on the host PC... then you can connect to it in amarok by setting up a share... it's not too hard.
[18:47] <v6lur> but it's terribly slow
[18:48] <v6lur> tried soundkonverter earlier, but that wasn't much faster eitherquicker
[18:48] <v6lur> either*
[18:48] <coreymon77> hey everyone, meet Berzerker
[18:48] <Odd-rationale> v6lur: i doubt k3b would increase the speed though
[18:48] <Odd-rationale> since they probably use the same backend
[18:49] <v6lur> i feared that
[18:49] <trident523> linuxguymarshall: To do DAAP in amarok go to settings -> configure amarok -> media devices -> add -> pick music share ... and be done.
[18:49] <Odd-rationale> anyways. brb...
[18:49] <coreymon77> Berzerker: so, what exactly is the matter
[18:49] <v6lur> anything else to try?
[18:49] <Berzerker> well, after I installed, I would hold option on boot up and a second drive would not show up
[18:49] <Berzerker> I'm trying to avoid using refit
[18:51] <trident523> Berzerker: Did you... uh, install boot camp... and follow the directions?
[18:51] <Berzerker> I didn't do it with boot camp
[18:51] <Berzerker> I supposed I should though
[18:52] <coreymon77> i would think so probably
[18:52] <trident523> Berzerker: Well, let me find some good directions for that.
[18:52] <coreymon77> better off using bootcamp
[18:52] <Berzerker> Well I know how to do it
[18:52] <Berzerker> I just didn't do it with that
[18:52] <trident523> Berzerker: Just remember to replace the formatted windows drive.
[18:52] <jhutchins> Berzerker: You have to have a bootloader that will show both options, refit, elilo, some versions of grub will.
[18:53] <dinart> to the one that helped me with dwl g132
[18:53] <dinart> thank you ^
[18:53] <dinart> ^^
[18:53] <coreymon77> jhutchins!!!!
[18:53] <dinart> i'm at the wireless conection now
[18:53] <jhutchins> ...Or so i hear about elilo & grub.  Most people use boot camp, but I think refit's pretty good.
[18:53] <coreymon77> i havent talked to you in ages!
[18:53] <trident523> dinart: No problem.
[18:54] <Dragnslcr> Hm, has anyone tried upgrading from the DVD and gotten a permission denied error on kdesu /cdrom/cdromupgrade?
[18:54] <jhutchins> When I installed kubuntu on a mini, it wouldn't boot to the OS-X install any more until I installed refit.
[18:54] <dinart> trident523:  just worked ^^
[18:54] <coreymon77> Berzerker: youre prob better off using either bootcamp or refit, and im better at helping once kubuntu is installed and booted :p
[18:54] <Berzerker> heh
[18:54] <terrestre> kde4 in heron its stable? or better just kde3?
[18:54] <coreymon77> jhutchins: hows it going man?
[18:54] <coreymon77> terrestre: its been stable for a while
[18:55] <trident523> terrestre: In heron is's okay... some stuff is a bit odd for me still.
[18:55] <coreymon77> terrestre: just not enough to make it the default
[18:55] <trident523> terrestre: ... it does run. That's good.
[18:55] <jhutchins> coreymon77: Crazy full time job these days.
[18:55] <coreymon77> thats why kubuntu hardy is not an lts
[18:55] <coreymon77> canonical prob didnt want an lts with kde4 still not fully stable
[18:56] <terrestre> so better kde3 for a noob?
[18:56] <coreymon77> terrestre: as of now, yes
[18:56] <trident523> terrestre: debateable.
[18:56] <coreymon77> jhutchins: still havent gotten around to getting some sort of cloak, or becoming a kubuntu member huh?
[18:56] <chairmeleon> anyone here running audacious?
[18:57] <terrestre> mmm
[18:57] <coreymon77> Berzerker: so ya, try it with BC
[18:57] <Berzerker> partitioning now
[18:57] <jhutchins> No, I mostly work with CentOS, and run Mandriva by choice, so I'm a bit out of touch with kubuntu.
[18:57] <terrestre> coreymon77, trident523 thanks for your opinion
[18:57] <trident523> chairmeleon: Uh... why?
[18:57] <Seven_Six_Two> can I have kde3 and kde4 installed at the same time?
[18:57] <Dragnslcr> terrestre- probably better to stick with KDE3 for now. KDE4 is still missing a few things that are supposed to be ready for 4.1
[18:58] <coreymon77> Seven_Six_Two: yup
[18:58] <terrestre> Dragnslcr, thanks
[18:58] <Berzerker> does it matter if I install from a DVD or not?
[18:58] <crash> howdy
[18:58] <Berzerker> like I downloaded the CD image, but I put it on a DVD
[18:58] <jhutchins> Berzerker: For what it's worth, we're doing about six sites using dual mac mini's for banking servers.
[18:58] <Seven_Six_Two> coreymon77, thanks. I'm going to try it..
[18:58] <trident523> chairmeleon: Most things have other codecs... you don't need to really use that... unless you want to.
[18:58] <Dragnslcr> Berzerker- that shouldn't matter
[18:58] <Berzerker> ok
[18:58] <jhutchins> Berzerker: nope.
[18:58] <Berzerker> will install now
[18:58] <Berzerker> brb
[18:58] <chairmeleon> trident523: what do you mean other codecs?
[18:58] <jhutchins> Time for lunch, laters.
[18:58] <chairmeleon> I want a simple winamp clone, so I went for audacious, the audio player
[18:59] <terrestre> its some one using ufw?
[18:59] <chairmeleon> but I can't stop it from opening multiple instances
[18:59] <trident523> chairmeleon: Well, there are plenty of other media players that I (opinion follows) think are better... and support more stuff.
[18:59] <Dragnslcr> Bleh, wish the DVD upgrade would work. I hate sucking up the servers' bandwidth when I don't really need to
[18:59] <Seven_Six_Two> chairmeleon, wouldn't xmms be closer?
[18:59] <chairmeleon> Seven_Six_Two: can't find it in hardy heron repos, think audacious replaced it
[19:00] <chairmeleon> trident523: ok, gimme one?
[19:00] <chairmeleon> sure you guys are not thinking about audacity, the recording software?
[19:00] <Seven_Six_Two> chairmeleon, well it would be a simple build I think. Or just install a deb by hand
[19:00] <trident523> chairmeleon: Well, you are in kubuntu... so, kaffiene as an audio player is good, amarok as a bloated manager... JuK...
[19:01] <chairmeleon> trident523: what were you thinking outside of kubuntu/kde?
[19:01] <trident523> chairmeleon: Rythmbox, totem, and some older stuff that I used to use.
[19:01] <trident523> chairmeleon: Probably because I never liked xmms.
[19:02] <chairmeleon> trident523: well, I myself run rhythmbox in gnome, but my dad wants a dead simple winamp clone
[19:03] <trident523> chairmeleon: dead simple? When was winamp ever... simple? :P
[19:03] <crash> well
[19:03] <crash> that was annoying
[19:03] <crash> wth happened
[19:03] <Frederick> folks which program can I use to generate a restauration point in my system?
[19:03] <trident523> chairmeleon: Anyhow... beep player is the other fork, and I think is still in the repo.
[19:03] <yao_ziyuan> my normal user account is "yaoziyuan"
[19:03] <trident523> Frederick: Full backup is the easiest way to go.
[19:03] <yao_ziyuan> i checked it out in System Settings -> User Accounts
[19:04] <chairmeleon> trident523: bmp won't run, complaining that dbus is not on, while it certainly is
[19:04] <yao_ziyuan> i found out that it has the power to "Administer the System"
[19:04] <yao_ziyuan> why?
[19:04] <Frederick> trident523: how?
[19:04] <yao_ziyuan> when i want to administer the system, i need to sudo or kdesu
[19:04] <coreymon77> thats right yao
[19:04] <yao_ziyuan> why does User Accounts say this normal account can "administer the system"?
[19:04] <trident523> Frederick: Well, Keep is a kde program that does full backups of files... then all you need to do if things go south is re-install and put the files back in.
[19:05] <coreymon77> it means that you are allowed to use the sudo or kdesu command yao
[19:05] <trident523> yao_ziyuan: because people tend to not mind sudo privledges... you can de-sudo them though. But I on;y remember how to do that in gnome.
[19:05] <sigma_1234> is there a problem with video playback in hardy? slight jerks in the video
[19:06] <coreymon77> yao_ziyuan: you can disallow someone to use the sudo command
[19:06] <yao_ziyuan> trident523: ah
[19:06] <trident523> sigma_1234: Probably related to your graphics card. Or something.
[19:06] <yao_ziyuan> i'm actually trying to create another user account "backup" of the same class as "yaoziyuan"
[19:06] <trident523> Eh, kde4 didn't load my audiomixer. See you all again on the flipside.
[19:06] <yao_ziyuan> in case some virus/trojan ruined "yaoziyuan"'s startup scripts (such as ~/.kde/Autostart)
[19:07] <sigma_1234> no it worked fine in gutsy. and on my laptop its even worse
[19:07] <coreymon77> umm, linux virus?
[19:07] <yao_ziyuan> and took over the system by spawning multiple processes that recover each other if i kill any of them
[19:07] <coreymon77> do those even exist?
[19:08] <karaluh> i've got problems booting hardy with 2.6.24 kernel
[19:08] <yao_ziyuan> if a virus takes control of account "yaoziyuan",
[19:08] <coreymon77> no virus could do anything without the root password, so, they are pretty much powerless
[19:08] <coreymon77> yao_ziyuan: even still
[19:08] <yao_ziyuan> does it also mean it takes control of the user group "yaoziyuan"?
[19:08] <Dragnslcr> coreymon77- sure you can write a script that deletes the user's files and starts spawning new processes
[19:08] <coreymon77> yao_ziyuan: unless it has the root password, a virus cant do jack
[19:09] <Dragnslcr> coreymon77- you just have to get the user to execute the script
[19:09] <Boohbah> coreymon77: it can delete all files owned by your user
[19:09] <yao_ziyuan> coreymon77: but it can put things in ~/.kde/Autostart?
[19:09] <coreymon77> good point
[19:09] <Boohbah> coreymon77: it can also escalate its privileges to root using a local exploit on your user account
[19:09] <psyco> hello
[19:10] <trident523> Hi, psyco, this is #kubuntu.
[19:10] <yao_ziyuan> Boohbah: is the "local" exploit recently disclosed in slashdot/wired.com which is a CPU-based attack? :)
[19:10] <coreymon77> i think he knows that trident
[19:11] <karaluh> hardy kernel doesn't recognize any drives, what can i do?
[19:11] <trident523> coreymon77: Hi, coreymon77, you are coreymon77. This is #kubuntu. I am trident. The sky is blue.
[19:11] <coreymon77> lol
[19:11] <coreymon77> its actually grey right now where i am :P
[19:11] <terrestre> oooh i read the most funny post about the world new ubuntu uncomplicated firewall
[19:11] <Boohbah> yao_ziyuan: well if, you're talking about the recent vmsplice local kernel exploit, yes :)
[19:11] <psyco> Can someone help me. I am currently partitoning my HD. I want to install /home on a seperate partion (I know how to do that) but I also want to install two distros so that I can dual boot. Can onyone help me with that? Like how to partiton the parts??
[19:11] <psyco> XD thanks trident523
[19:12] <trident523> psyco: While I have no idea how to do either of those things... what's the other distro you are thinking of? (always interested in stuff like that)
[19:13] <psyco> Well I am going to install Kubuntu then have another one open for experimenting with different distros.
[19:13] <trident523> psyco: Well, I bet if you install kubuntu second, it will have the correct GRUB settings...
[19:13] <karaluh> psyco: do you want to have /home shared between those two distros?
[19:14] <trident523> psyco: Or, use the super GRUB disk, and fix it each time. But I'm not to sure.
[19:14] <psyco> karaluh: yes
[19:14] <trident523> too*
[19:14] <psyco> trident523: grub confuses me (shiver, ugh grub.....), I'm sure there is a simpler way
[19:15] <trident523> psyco: Use LILO? :P
[19:15] <psyco> 0.o
[19:15] <karaluh> psyco: i'm not sure if it is a good idea, but if you realy want to you have to create at least 4 partitions
[19:16] <trident523> Aw crimitey. Someone screwed up my audio. Time for a re-boot.
[19:16] <psyco> I see..
[19:16] <dinart> my ubuntu has no mp3 codec
[19:16] <dinart> can someone tell me one?
[19:17] <psyco> karaluh: I think it is possible and practical, I just want to know :
[19:17] <BluesKaj> dinart, sudo apt-get install libk3b2-mp3 , then, sudo aptitude install libxine1-ffmpeg
[19:17] <psyco> Do I just have like two partitions with mountpoints / and then a /home?
[19:17] <psyco> (and a swap)
[19:17] <Boohbah> ahh, libk3b2-mp3
[19:17] <Boohbah> i was looking for that the other day
[19:18] <Boohbah> why doesn't ubuntu distribute mp3 with k3b? license/royalty issues?
[19:18] <trait> does anybody know where kadressbook saves its adresses?
[19:18] <trait> Boohbah
[19:18] <Dragnslcr> Boohbah- mp3 is patented
[19:18] <Seven_Six_Two> how long do the servers normally get hammered for a new release?
[19:18] <trait> somehow i made it woking with mp3
[19:18] <trait> but do not remember atm
[19:18] <Boohbah> trait: somewhere in ~/.kde/share/apps/
[19:18] <BluesKaj> dinart, you might need to add the medibuntu sources to your sources.list or package manager
[19:18] <Berzerker> no dice on it showing up
[19:18] <trait> yes somewhere :)
[19:18] <Berzerker> I guess I'll have to install refit
[19:18] <Boohbah> trait: yeah i think that libk3b2-mp3
[19:19] <Frederick> folks flash seems to have died in my machien I have no error message justa grey screen any ideas?
[19:19] <trait> maybe :)
[19:19] <karaluh> psyco: 1st for kubuntu /, 2nd for other distro /, 3rd for swap and 4th for /home
[19:19] <Dragnslcr> psyco- you'll need at least a home partition, two system partitions (one for each OS), and a swap partition
[19:19] <Dragnslcr> psyco- depending on what CPU you have, it might be better to experiment with other distributions by installing them into virtual machines
[19:20] <Berzerker> brb
[19:20] <Boohbah> libk3b2-extracodecs in hardy, apparently
[19:20] <psyco> karaluh: I think I found a guide on google.
[19:20] <BluesKaj> trait, try kontact/contacts
[19:20] <karaluh> Dragnslcr: but you don't have shared home then
[19:21] <Boohbah> karaluh: yeah but you're not going to actually use all those distros
[19:21] <Boohbah> karaluh: and you can setup shared folders in virtualbox
[19:22] <Dragnslcr> karaluh- true, but there may be a way to fake it (or just copy /home and/or rsync it between the host and VM)
[19:22] <Boohbah> psyco: ^^
[19:22] <psyco> Boohbah: Well I have an amd athlon 2200+ I think. Its 1.8Ghz
[19:22] <yao_ziyuan> i failed to duplicate my current user account :(
[19:22] <Boohbah> psyco: how muchRAM?
[19:22] <yao_ziyuan> i created one using exactly the same options as the original "yaoziyuan"
[19:22] <Dragnslcr> psyco- an older Athlon XP?
[19:22] <psyco> Boohbah: 512, but I'm thinking about getting another 1GB soon/
[19:22] <yao_ziyuan> it can't login to a kde session
[19:22] <psyco> Yes. Its an old PC
[19:22] <Boohbah> yao_ziyuan: they can't have the same UID
[19:22] <yao_ziyuan> Boohbah: they don't
[19:23] <yao_ziyuan> the system says its preferences folder is in use by another session
[19:23] <Boohbah> yao_ziyuan: your new user is in the same groups as your old user?
[19:23] <trait> BluesKaj , there is no folder called kontact
[19:23] <yao_ziyuan> Boohbah: no, it's in "backup_1"
[19:23] <yao_ziyuan> Boohbah: it's called "backup"
[19:23] <karaluh> Dragnslcr: i think dual boot is easier to set up
[19:24] <Berzerker> heh
[19:24] <BluesKaj> trait, look in the kmenu for am app called kontact
[19:24] <Berzerker> forgot to enable
[19:24] <Boohbah> yao_ziyuan: that's the primary group, you need to add it to all the other groups to give it access, like 'adm disk dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev scanner lpadmin admin netdev powerdev vboxusers'
[19:24] <yao_ziyuan> i added
[19:24] <yao_ziyuan> just like "yaoziyuan" has
[19:24] <Berzerker> forgot to enable it. heh
[19:24] <yao_ziyuan> "admin", "dip", ...
[19:24] <Boohbah> does backup1 have a home folder?
[19:24] <trait> i'm using an other homefolder and don't want to add a new user
[19:25] <yao_ziyuan> Boohbah: yes
[19:25] <Boohbah> and wirte permissions to it?
[19:25] <trait> bj
[19:25] <trait> BluesKaj
[19:25] <bebop_> x
[19:25] <yao_ziyuan> Boohbah: write permissions i'm not sure, but i assume
[19:25] <yao_ziyuan> Boohbah: you can try it yourself:
[19:25] <Berzerker> brb
[19:25] <Dragnslcr> karaluh- could be. I haven't done much with either dual-booting or virtualization. Especially if it's an older Athlon, the virtualization might not work as well as on a CPU that supports it in hardware
[19:26] <yao_ziyuan> Boohbah: in kubuntu's system settings -> user accounts, create a new account and use the same options from your current normal user account
[19:26] <karaluh> Dragnslcr: exactly
[19:26] <yao_ziyuan> Boohbah: and then lock the current account and start a new session with that new acc
[19:26] <BluesKaj> trait, it's in the internet list
[19:26] <yao_ziyuan> *acct
[19:26] <Dragnslcr> One of these weekends I'll spend some more time trying to get the networking setup correctly for a VM
[19:27] <trait> what do you mean BluesKaj
[19:27] <coreymon77> Dragnslcr: network problems?
[19:27] <yao_ziyuan> Login Name: backup
[19:27] <coreymon77> Dragnslcr: need some help?
[19:27] <yao_ziyuan> Real Name: Backup
[19:27] <yao_ziyuan> User ID: 1001
[19:27] <yao_ziyuan> Primary Group: backup_1
[19:27] <yao_ziyuan> Home DIrectory: /home/backup
[19:27] <yao_ziyuan> Shell: /bin/bash
[19:28] <yao_ziyuan> Privileges and groups: just use yaoziyuan's, verbatim
[19:28] <yao_ziyuan> Password: make one
[19:28] <yao_ziyuan> then start a new kde session with this new account
[19:28] <yao_ziyuan> it will fail
[19:29] <BluesKaj> trait in the kmenu
[19:29] <trait> atm im using kde4
[19:30] <bebop_> un canal de puros gringos ? que flojera
[19:30] <JoshOvki> !fr | bebop_
[19:30] <ubotu> bebop_: Ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en francais, merci de rejoindre #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr
[19:30] <Berzerker> coreymon77: now it's giving me no bootable device
[19:30]  * JoshOvki hopes he got the correct language
[19:31] <BluesKaj> !es | bebop_
[19:31] <ubotu> bebop_: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[19:31] <bebop_> gracias
[19:31] <BluesKaj> da nada
[19:31] <BluesKaj> or is it de nada , I forget
[19:34] <epimeth> ahoy everybody!
[19:34] <trait> BluesKaj its in .kde/share/apps/kabc :)
[19:34] <yao_ziyuan> i googled this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=700630
[19:35] <yao_ziyuan> maybe it's a bug
[19:35] <yao_ziyuan> anyone can create a new user account that can successfully log into a new kde session?
[19:36] <yao_ziyuan> i think maybe a ubuntu session can do this easier
[19:36] <dinart> how can i edit menu.lst
[19:36] <dinart> it say's i'm not the owner
[19:36] <dinart> but i want to edit the boot sequence
[19:37] <psyco> What is a reasonable partition size just to hold linux and not /home
[19:38] <azUBUNTU> join ﻿#kubuntu-kde4
[19:39] <BluesKaj> trait, normally whan ppl ask about an app we direct them to the kmenu not the folder in the /home/user dir
[19:40] <zen-xstat> hello everyone, i'm having some trouble to compile ndiswrapper under kubuntu-gutsy, it fails with no rule to make asm-offsets.c needed by asm-offsets.s. Do you know how can I fix this?
[19:40] <coreymon77> zen-xstat: first thing, what card are you using?
[19:41] <zen-xstat> bcmcoreymon77: 06:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI (rev 01)
[19:42] <Dragnslcr> coreymon77- ideally I want to get the bridge working so that the VM and host can connect to each other normally (my computer has two Ethernet ports, so the VM can use a separate port from the host)
[19:42] <trait> don't understand you, BluesKaj
[19:42] <coreymon77> zen-xstat: wow, never heard of the card
[19:42] <coreymon77> you sure its not bcm4311
[19:43] <coreymon77> you sure theres that 9 in there?
[19:43] <zen-xstat> coreymon77: I have installed ndiswrapper-common and ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 from repositories but no kernel module found in packages
[19:43] <coreymon77> zen-xstat: are you sure your card has that 9 in there
[19:43] <zen-xstat> coreymon77: it is a copy-paste
[19:43] <coreymon77> hmm
[19:43] <BluesKaj> trait , i thought you were looking for your email contact list , so i told you where to find it the easiest way , is that clear ?
[19:43] <coreymon77> darn, cause if it was jsut 4311, that would be much easier
[19:44] <epimeth> does anybody know how to connect kontact with exchange?
[19:44] <trait> ah ok :)
[19:44] <zen-xstat> coreymon77 i think that if i can get ndiswrapper working properly the windows driver will work, but i cant compile clearly
[19:44] <Berzerker> ok
[19:44] <Berzerker> I got it
[19:45] <coreymon77> zen-xstat: hmm, sorry, its been a long while since i used ndis
[19:45] <coreymon77> Berzerker: it worked?
[19:45] <ubuntu> guys, i've lost GRUB, and i started my computer with a live CD so i can reinstall it... i mounted my / partition, i chroot'd there, and when i tried to do grub-install, i noticed my hda didn't exist under /dev
[19:45] <Berzerker> yes
[19:45] <Berzerker> I had to resync the partition tables with refit
[19:45] <ubuntu> any idea how to make it appear so i can make grub-install ?
[19:45] <zen-xstat> coreymon77: maybe there is a problem in the kernel sources provided in gutsy or the kernel headers...
[19:46] <Berzerker> coreymon77: how do I connect my bluetooth mouse?
[19:46] <coreymon77> Berzerker: umm, with bluetooth :P
[19:46] <zen-xstat> coreymon77: thanks anyway
[19:46] <coreymon77> Berzerker: what are you using now?
[19:47] <BluesKaj> ubuntu , why are installing grub seperately ,...it's automatic with the live cd install
[19:47] <Berzerker> the trackpad
[19:47] <Berzerker> it's horrible
[19:47] <Berzerker> I want to use the mightymouse
[19:47] <ubuntu> BluesKaj: i reinstalled windows
[19:47] <BluesKaj> oops
[19:47] <BluesKaj> after installing kubuntu I'll bet
[19:47] <yao_ziyuan> i just went to a gnome session
[19:47] <Berzerker> what's the firefox 3 package called
[19:47] <yao_ziyuan> and created a new user there
[19:47] <BluesKaj> !grub
[19:47] <ubuntu> BluesKaj: yup
[19:47] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[19:47] <Berzerker> and is it on apt?
[19:47] <yao_ziyuan> and logged into a new kde session using that new user
[19:48] <yao_ziyuan> man, you have to admit that gnome is a more mature desktop
[19:48] <coreymon77> Berzerker: bluetooth is built in right?
[19:48] <coreymon77> Berzerker: isnt the might mouse corded?
[19:49] <yao_ziyuan> or kubuntu hardy is just too young?
[19:49] <BluesKaj> yao_ziyuan, you mean old and wrinkled
[19:49] <Berzerker> coreymon77: I have the wireless one
[19:49] <ubuntu> BluesKaj: what i usually do after loosing it (after reinstalling windows) is bootup with a livecd, mount / partition, chroot there, then grub-install /dev/hda and that's it... but now, my hda disk is no longer appearing under /dev :(
[19:49] <yao_ziyuan> BluesKaj: if you use the Nimbus gnome theme and Ubuntu Hardy's default wallpaper, it seems gnome is very cool
[19:50] <BluesKaj> ubuntu, do you have super grub boot disk ,if not it's highly recommended for solving the boot/grubmenu prob
[19:50] <coreymon77> Berzerker: well, go into system settings
[19:50] <coreymon77> Berzerker: and enable bluetooth
[19:50] <coreymon77> then pair this thing like usual
[19:50] <Berzerker> it's enabled
[19:50] <psyco> What will happen if I partition TWO / mount points??
[19:51] <coreymon77> Berzerker: then pair with your mouse
[19:51] <Berzerker> it says connected
[19:51] <Berzerker> but it doesn't work
[19:51] <coreymon77> it says you are connected?
[19:51] <Berzerker> connected to wireless mouse
[19:51] <Berzerker> and it gives the mac address
[19:52] <BluesKaj> yao_ziyuan, being an old windows guy , i prefer the familiar look of kde :)
[19:52] <coreymon77> okay, so, its just not responding?
[19:52] <yao_ziyuan> BluesKaj: me too
[19:52] <yao_ziyuan> BluesKaj: but let me give you a look of my gnome desktop
[19:53] <karaluh> can anyone help with unbootable hardy kernel?
[19:53] <coreymon77> Berzerker: have you tried restarting
[19:54] <Berzerker> I got it
[19:54] <Berzerker> I did it via the command line
[19:55] <coreymon77> okay then
[19:55] <Berzerker> hcitool -scan
[19:55] <Berzerker> and sudo hidd --connect
[19:55] <Berzerker> etc.
[19:55] <BluesKaj> karaluh, pls explain
[19:55] <coreymon77> sorry im not of much help, my kubuntu box doesnt have bt
[19:55] <Berzerker> it's fine, I did it before, I just forgot how
[19:55] <Berzerker> quick google search helped
[19:55] <coreymon77> im assuming wifi works fine
[19:55] <Berzerker> nope
[19:55] <karaluh> BluesKaj: after upgrade i've got kernel panic on hardy kernel
[19:55] <coreymon77> Berzerker: yay, thats what im good at
[19:56] <karaluh> BluesKaj: gutsy one drops to busybox
[19:56] <szymon_g> hi
[19:56] <coreymon77> Berzerker: so, chipset?
[19:56] <Berzerker> hold on
[19:56] <Berzerker> my dad needs me to work on somethi00:14:51:D2:AE:88ng
[19:56] <Berzerker> something*...
[19:56] <karaluh> BluesKaj: there are no disk devices on /dev
[19:56] <Berzerker> mac address for my mouse, if anyone wants it
[19:56] <Berzerker> :P
[19:56] <Berzerker> afk
[19:56] <Berzerker> coreymon77: sorry, bbl
[19:57] <coreymon77> k, no problem
[19:57] <karaluh> BluesKaj: the kernel panic message is abount not being able to mount root
[19:57] <szymon_g> ekhm, i just installed kubuntu 8.04 on my computer, and i wonder : where is wizzard? after deletion of default .kde folder kubuntu restores default view instad of giving me a possibility to change it (like in 3.x.x) :|
[19:57] <karaluh> BluesKaj: i bootet with rescue cd
[19:57] <BluesKaj> karaluh, is it an older pc ?
[19:58] <andrew_> are there any Kubuntu developers online ?
[19:58] <karaluh> BluesKaj: 3-4 years
[19:58] <coreymon77> karaluh: #kubuntu-devel
[19:59] <BluesKaj> hmm karaluh , strange , and you can't drop down to gutsy ?
[20:00] <karaluh> BluesKaj: gutsy kernel gives me busybox with no disk devices
[20:00] <BluesKaj> or the older kernel rayjer
[20:01] <yao_ziyuan> BluesKaj: http://tinyurl.com/54tptk
[20:01] <The_ManU_212> i want 3d acceleration what to install for nvidia 6600gt?
[20:01] <yao_ziyuan> everybody see my ubuntu desktop: http://tinyurl.com/54tptk
[20:02] <karaluh> BluesKaj: i reverted initramfs to the one generated on gutsy
[20:02] <yao_ziyuan> ain't it cool :)
[20:02] <karaluh> BluesKaj: and it worked
[20:02] <BluesKaj> karaluh, good
[20:03] <BluesKaj> yao_ziyuan, nice ...doesn't make me want to change to gnome tho :)
[20:03] <karaluh> BluesKaj: but i would like to get 2.6.24 working
[20:04] <BluesKaj> karaluh, try upgrading with adept on the older kernel
[20:04] <karaluh> BluesKaj: tried that with no luck
[20:06] <andrew_> mount.nfs reports "internal error" when trying to connect to a server
[20:06] <BluesKaj> hmm karaluh , sorry I'm not really well versed in handling kernel panics ... coreymon77 ?
[20:08] <andrew_> andrew@apollo:~/Download/DEB$ sudo mount /zeus
[20:08] <andrew_> [sudo] password for andrew:
[20:08] <andrew_> mount.nfs: internal error
[20:08] <andrew_> andrew@apollo:~/Download/DEB$
[20:09] <coreymon77> BluesKaj: you think im any better?
[20:10] <coreymon77> i have no clue
[20:10] <BluesKaj> coreymon77, I thought I'd ask anyway  :)
[20:12] <BluesKaj> We don't seem to have many of the regular "heavy Hitters" / "Gurus" here today :(
[20:12] <coreymon77> i just dont know anything about kernel panics
[20:12] <bent_> They're all fighting off the throng that appears to be #ubuntu, my guess.
[20:12] <coreymon77> ???
[20:12] <coreymon77> whats going on in ubuntu?
[20:12] <bent_> And my nick got stolen before I forgot to identify.
[20:12] <coreymon77> bent_: no worries
[20:13] <bent_> 8.04 came out recently. People have problems, and IRC attacked.
[20:13] <bent_> ... they attacked IRC*
[20:13] <coreymon77> bent_: you can get your nick back
[20:13] <coreymon77> bent_: whats your normal nick?
[20:13] <BluesKaj> or they're hiding out and letting we apprentices hold the fort under the hardy onslaught :)
[20:13] <bent_> trident523... and I like identified, but I forgot to... login.
[20:13] <coreymon77> bent_: okay then ghost the person
[20:14] <coreymon77> bent_: is this nick linked to your other one?
[20:14] <bent_> coreymon77: How does one go about doing that?
[20:14] <bent_> coreymon77: Nope.
[20:14] <coreymon77> bent_: do you have an alt nick?
[20:14] <karaluh> ok, i'll try my luck on #ubuntu then :)
[20:14] <bent_> coreymon77: Nah, didn't get around to it. :/
[20:14] <evil> how i can change the background of the kicker bar
[20:14] <BluesKaj> karaluh, yeah thy might be of more help ATM
[20:15] <coreymon77> bent_: well register an alt under the same password as your regular nick
[20:15] <coreymon77> bent_:  then type /msg nickserv link trident523 [your password]
[20:15] <coreymon77> bent_: then /msg nickserv ghost trident523
[20:15] <coreymon77> bent_: then /nick trident523
[20:16] <ilpanda> 7list
[20:16] <harley> evil: open kcontrol and go to Desktop --> Panels.  Then click on the Appearance tab and you'll see it under Appearance tab
[20:16] <trident523> Thanks, coreymon77.
[20:17] <harley> *under Panel Background
[20:17] <coreymon77> no problemo!
[20:17] <psyco> When installing a linux distro, is there an option to skip the boot loader installation??
[20:17] <trident523> psyco: depends on the installer
[20:17] <coreymon77> psyco: and why would you want to do that, you kinda need the bootloader to boot
[20:17] <chosig> silly package managers... making apache a dependency in the php5 deb...
[20:17]  * trident523 just tried to boot his i386 system with the i686 disk. Sigh.
[20:18] <psyco> coreymon77: If I want to install two linux distros but Id ont want the second to write over GRUB.
[20:18] <epimeth> does anybody know how to connect kontact with exchange?
[20:18] <coreymon77> wouldnt it just write over grub with grub, updating it? or am i mistaken
[20:19] <psyco> I dont know but I read that the first disto disappears from the list.
[20:19] <coreymon77> okay then, i must be mistaken
[20:20] <Dragnslcr> chosig- did you try installing php5-cli instead?
[20:20] <psyco> trident523: SO for example. Does kubuntu have that option?
[20:21] <trident523> psyco: I didn't see it when I use ubiquity (regular ubuntu installer,) but I did accidently do it once in some other installer. Forgetting to install a bootloader. That was a fun day.
[20:21] <harley> If you install the command line base system from the alternate cd you get a more debian like installer you can choose to install grub or not
[20:22] <psyco> trident523: lol ok
[20:23] <chosig> Dragnslcr: ah, thanks... (still don't understand why apache's a dependency tho :P)
[20:23] <Dragnslcr> chosig- of php5, or php5-cli?
[20:24] <harley> Anyone here know why the cd icon doesn't pop up on the desktop when I put in a cd?
[20:25] <iskaldur> hi, im having trouble with k3b: it doesn't access any cddb info, even though i have remote CDDB queries enabled. is there some special server i need to use? (im using freedb2.org, port 80)
[20:25] <chosig> Dragnslcr: apache2 installes with php5
[20:27] <tsb> I'm trying to complete the 8.04 install by doing -f install, but I'm getting "ubuntu-desktop: Depends: rss-glx but it is not installable"
[20:27] <Level15> hi. does any of you guys have by any chance the OS-L icon set?
[20:27] <Level15> the download link is broken :(
[20:33] <Dragnslcr> chosig- "php5" may be a metapackage that installs the Apache module. php5-cli is probably just the CLI executable
[20:44] <danya_> Hi , I'm on Ubuntu 7.10 .. I was looking for my trash icon but i cant find it :S .. how can I get it back ?
[20:45] <trident523> danya_: in KDE? Well...
[20:46] <dennister> so how's the feedback as to how hardy's working out since the release?
[20:46] <trident523> danya_: I think you cam make a shortcut to *yourhomedirectory/.trash
[20:46] <trident523> dennister: Just like 7.10, extreme hit, and extreme miss. Luckily, I got an extreme hit... ubuntu booted on this computer.
[20:46] <danya_> dennister : no Gnome
[20:47] <harley> dennister:  Works fine for me
[20:47] <VousDeux> What command can I execute to modify my touchpad settings? The keyboard & mouse settings don't even have it listed.
[20:47] <chris__> I am having a problem with my CD-ROM, just installed Kubuntu last night, I put a CD-RW in the drive with my files, to put back on my system. says unable to identify CD-Rom format, any ideas? I am new. Plz bare with me
[20:48] <trident523> chris__: Well, two things could have gone wrong. the disk might have not been finished burning when you burned it, or something is wonky with the support for your drive in ubuntu. Try another CD... see if that works.
[20:48] <xenol> hello, i would like to ask if kde4 is enough stable for everyday work
[20:48] <trident523> chris__: Even an audioCD.
[20:49] <chris__> damn, I hope I didn't lose my shit lol
[20:49] <trident523> xenol: Stable when it works.
[20:49] <chris__> k..trying another disc
[20:49] <dennister> if someone has it working well, i need to know if there's a file called 'netkit-inetd' in the hardy repositories
[20:49] <jussio1> !ohmy | chris__
[20:49] <ubotu> chris__: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[20:50] <chris__> my bad, sorry
[20:50] <chris__>  :(
[20:51] <dennister> harley: could u pls check if netkit-inetd exists in the hardy repositories?
[20:52] <dennister> i'd really appreciate it
[20:52] <BluesKaj> dennister,
[20:52] <dennister> hi BluesKaj :)
[20:52] <xenol> when is documentation for HH is supposed to be added plz?
[20:52] <trident523> dennister: I don't see it. I see netkit-ping.
[20:52] <BluesKaj> inetd.conf updater is a package in adept
[20:52] <chris__> ahh must of been the disc
[20:52] <chris__> oh man, does that suck
[20:52] <chris__> I think I am gonna cry
[20:53] <BluesKaj> but don't see a netkit-inetd, dennister
[20:53] <dennister> ok, that's one problem...i mean i did install the release candidate on one test server, and the file i needed for the pxeinstall server wasn't available, but was hoping the full release would bring it back
[20:54] <dennister> BluesKaj: so you have hardy isntalled and its working well for u?
[20:54] <Itaku> on 8.04 how do i change the clock to 12 hour?
[20:55] <BluesKaj> yes dennister
[20:55] <BluesKaj> working quite well
[20:55] <trident523> Itaku: Hm, is it because your local normally uses 24hr clock? I'ma go look.
[20:55] <dennister> i certainly did like what i saw with xubuntu in the release candidate...but if it doesn't serve my needs...but then again, gutsy on the other server that's more established is giving me a rash, too :(
[20:55] <albuntu> hello. i have 20 upgradable in adept manager after upgrading from gutsy to hardy and when i do full upgrade it doesnt do anything and "apply changes" remains inactive
[20:55] <ksjdf> Hi. I got two sidebars in Dolphin. How do I remove one of them? couldn't find the setting.
[20:56] <dennister> and i liked kde4 at first, too...then got frustrated with it
[20:56] <trident523> !time | Itaku
[20:56] <ubotu> Itaku: Information about using and setting your computer's clock on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuTime - See https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/server/C/NTP.html for information on usage of the Network Time Protocol (NTP)
[20:56] <psyco> what is the terminal command to see info on your HD's?? like partions and stuff
[20:56] <harley> ksjdf: you can remove the left sidebar by pressing F8 or the right sidebar with F9
[20:56] <BluesKaj> dennister , except adept updater keeps wanting to upgrade an already upgraded amarok , but otherwise fine
[20:56] <miloszg> psyco: sudo fdisk -l
[20:56] <trident523> albuntu: You might have broken packages, open adept, and look for them.
[20:56] <psyco> miloszg: ty
[20:57] <dennister> BluesKaj: did u do a clean install, or use dist-upgrade?
[20:57] <xenol> !mysql | xenol
[20:57] <martha> hi guys
[20:57] <martha> i've got a question
[20:57] <trident523> !ask | martha
[20:57] <ubotu> martha: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[20:57] <ksjdf> harley: It worked! thanks
[20:58] <harley> np
[20:58] <albuntu> trident523: no i dont have broken packages. just checked them
[20:58] <psyco> how do I find out my HD space??
[20:58] <chris__> this the exact error I get when the DVD-R I put in with my files.... "mount: block device/dev/scd0 is write-protected, mounting read-only, mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/scd0, missing codepage or helper program, or other error"
[20:58] <xenol> !mysql | xenol
[20:58] <miloszg> psyco: df -h
[20:58] <trident523> albuntu: Hm... dunno, sorry.
[20:58] <martha> how can i mount a bin/cue image?
[20:58] <psyco> miloszg: ty again
[20:58] <BluesKaj> distupgrade , but I used the US repos , cuz the Canadian one swewre so slow last week ...as it was it took 2 1/2 hrs from upgrade to reboot
[21:00] <dennister> k, that's good to know...on the gutsy server there's real probs witht he translation-en-CA areas
[21:00] <BluesKaj> dennister , I recommend using the US repos ,... check the speed of the canada ones if you have them just by doing sudo apt-get update
[21:00] <BluesKaj> youll see how slow they are
[21:01] <trident523> psyco: I just found out something related to GRUB... ubuntu dosen't have to install the GRUB boot loader...
[21:01] <dennister> yes, i do see...and still ignoring all the Translation-en_CA sources
[21:01] <trident523> psyco: Right at the "Ready to install" screen, click advanced... then there us an un-tick for bootloader.
[21:02] <psyco> trident523: &YES Awesome thanks so much
[21:02] <chris__> this the exact error I get when the DVD-R I put in with my files.... "mount: block device/dev/scd0 is write-protected, mounting read-only, mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/scd0, missing codepage or helper program, or other error"  any ideas?
[21:02] <trident523> psyco: Reinstalling another computer, just found that out.
[21:02] <BluesKaj> dennister , this my sources.list if youd like to copy the 'debs"
[21:02] <BluesKaj> http://www.pastebin.ca/998673
[21:02] <psyco> trident523: lol Thanks so much
[21:03] <dennister> are there any sql-ledger/postgres users in here? that's my other issue that's driving me totally bonkers...want to ditch sql-ledger for ledgersmb, but i can't because the backup portion of sql-ledger says it's missing a table, so i can't do the backup without backing up the problem, too
[21:03] <dennister> BluesKaj: thx :)
[21:03] <trident523> chris__: Try asking #ubuntu... maybe they know?
[21:03] <NDPTAL85> Anyone else having problems with the Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 4 ISO? I've tried to install it on two drives and after it finishes installing I can't get it to boot.
[21:03] <trident523> dennister: I saw the word SQL... but that's it. :P
[21:04] <trident523> NDPTAL85: Did you verify your burnt disks?
[21:04] <NDPTAL85> trident523: Yes
[21:04] <dennister> lol @ trident523
[21:04] <trident523> NDPTAL85: I don't know of any major trouble... it might not be installing GRUB correctly... or something.
[21:05] <dennister> maybe i should just print the whole bloody inventory and start from scratch
[21:06] <Berzerker> coreymon77: back
[21:06] <Berzerker> coreymon77: you there?
[21:06] <dennister> <------feels like crying
[21:06]  * psyco is rather happy. #kubuntu is depressing....
[21:06] <Berzerker> what's the package to control a synaptics touchpad
[21:07] <dennister> xserver-xorg wacom or something like that
[21:07] <trident523> >.> dell. What boot option is "Normal!"
[21:08] <dennister> Berzerker: xserver-xorg-input-wacom
[21:08] <Berzerker> what
[21:08] <dennister> i just looked it up in system services
[21:08] <Berzerker> it's like a program
[21:08] <Berzerker> synaptics-manager or something
[21:09] <trident523> Berzerker: I'm using a synaptics... and I didn't install anything else. Ajusting it isn't something important to me.
[21:09] <Berzerker> I want to turn it off
[21:09] <Berzerker> or at least disable tap-clicking
[21:09] <dennister> Berzerker: ur probably right...i just see wacom all over my xorg.conf file, and i stop it from starting at boot because i don't need it?
[21:09] <trident523> Berzerker: Har, I have a button for it that's not part of the keyboard.
[21:10] <nodesert> Is there anyone we can tell me why kde4 kicker is not working on my Kubuntu 8.04
[21:10] <nodesert> ?
[21:10] <Itaku> on 8.04 how do i change the clock to 12 hour?
[21:10] <PhilRod> Berzerker: look up syndaemon
[21:10] <PhilRod> might do what you want
[21:10] <Berzerker> Itaku: right click on date
[21:10] <Berzerker> Date and Time Format
[21:10] <jussio1> nodesert: Id suggest asking in #kubuntu-kde4
[21:11] <Berzerker> Time & Date tab
[21:11] <Itaku> i looked there before
[21:11] <nodesert> Itaku:right click the clock and click format time and tab
[21:11] <Berzerker> Itaku: it's there
[21:11] <Berzerker> I just changed it right now
[21:11] <x_link> Hi
[21:11] <fdoving> Itaku: systemsettings -> regional & language -> time & dates -> timeformat
[21:11] <Berzerker> PhilRod: that may be it
[21:11] <x_link> Isn't xmms in hardy?
[21:12] <albuntu> can anyone help me with this ? after the upgrade to hardy i lost my wireless connectivity. i have a intel 3945abg. no propietary drivers showing although
[21:12] <fdoving> x_link: no.
[21:12] <Berzerker> PhilRod: says package not found
[21:12] <x_link> fdoving: Okey, that really sucks =/
[21:12] <Itaku> it says HH:MM:SS
[21:12] <Berzerker> yes
[21:12] <Itaku> theres no 12 hour option
[21:12] <Berzerker> change it
[21:12] <dennister> fdoving: long time no see :)
[21:12] <harley> x_link: try audacious
[21:12] <fdoving> x_link: you can use 'beep-media-player' it's similar.
[21:12] <Berzerker> Itaku: the down arrow next to it
[21:12] <fdoving> hi dennister. :)
[21:13] <Berzerker> is the a firefox 3 beta package that can install from apt?
[21:13] <Berzerker> or do I have to build it
[21:13] <harley> from apt
[21:13] <trident523> Berzerker: fx3b5 comes with hardy.
[21:13] <Itaku> ok i changed it and its not updating
[21:13] <Berzerker> I can't find it
[21:13] <Itaku> its still 24 hour
[21:13] <Berzerker> Itaku: restart KDE
[21:13] <dennister> fdoving: do u know postgresql? and secondly (perhaps not as important) sql-ledger? u know so much...
[21:13] <trident523> Berzerker: ... like, it's the default browser. It shows up to me as the regular firefox package.
[21:13] <SlimeyPete> Berzerker: apt-get install firefox
[21:13] <Berzerker> default for me is konqueror
[21:14] <Berzerker> SlimeyPete: that installs FF2
[21:14] <x_link> harley: Okey.
[21:14] <x_link> fdoving: Okey.
[21:14] <coreymon77> Berzerker: hehe, sorry, playing wii
[21:14] <harley> apt-get install firefox-3
[21:14] <Berzerker> harley: nope
[21:14] <SlimeyPete> hrm, coulda sworn I did "apt-get install firefox"
[21:14] <Berzerker> coreymon77: heh
[21:14] <SlimeyPete> which pointed me at firefox-3
[21:14] <coreymon77> Berzerker: its apt-get install mozilla-firefox-3
[21:15]  * trident523 crosses fingers that this CD drive dosen't crap out like the last did.
[21:15] <Berzerker> still no lol
[21:15] <coreymon77> Berzerker: or, if worst comes to worse, apt-cache search is your friend
[21:15] <harley> Berzerker: apt-get install firfox-3.0
[21:15] <Berzerker> it's 3.0
[21:15] <Berzerker> yeah
[21:15] <harley> *firefox-3.0
[21:16] <amir__> How do I tell kde to display password in clear text?
[21:16] <harley> amir__: You mean so you can see your password?
[21:16] <amir__> yes
[21:16] <PhilRod> amir__: don't think it allows you to do that
[21:16] <amir__> Ugh.
[21:16] <harley> I don't think you can, but I'm not positive
[21:17] <amir__> Alright. thanks
[21:17] <sepeck> no OS will allow that
[21:17] <coreymon77> Berzerker: so, wifi, you wanna get that working?
[21:17] <NightBird> well... it would appear that I'm running 8.04 now... not sure what I did to fix the problems I was having... but it looks like it works now..
[21:17] <Berzerker> windows will probably let you
[21:17] <Berzerker> because it's windows.
[21:17] <Berzerker> coreymon77: yeah
[21:17] <coreymon77> :P
[21:17] <amir__> What's so wrong with that? I don't care about people looking over my back!
[21:18] <coreymon77> Berzerker: okay, now for what im good at
[21:18] <psyco> Berzerker: XD yeah
[21:18] <coreymon77> Berzerker: chipset?
[21:18] <Berzerker> coreymon77: heh
[21:18] <sepeck> no, it won't but you are free to promote your product by saying untrue things about another if it's the only way yours is superior
[21:18] <Berzerker> hold on
[21:18] <trident523> amir__: Screen grabbers have a harder time with dots.
[21:18] <amir__> Ok, finoe
[21:18] <amir__> s/finoe/fine/
[21:18] <NightBird> I still never got the live cd's to work... but I managed to get my old install booted and working right, after which I finished the upgrade, and fixed the wireless device(using b43 now rather than ndiswrapper), and it appears to be working...
[21:18] <NightBird> I think
[21:18] <Berzerker> 0b:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5418 802.11abgn Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
[21:19] <trident523> NightBird: My card magically worked after last night's update too.
[21:19] <sepeck> I haven't had anyluck with the online update.  I am going to try the cd update method
[21:19]  * NightBird attempts a few things before declaring it all working..
[21:19] <coreymon77> Berzerker: is it the airport card?
[21:19] <Berzerker> yes
[21:19] <coreymon77> airport extreme correct?
[21:19] <NightBird> trident523: yours magically worked? lucky.  I had to beat mine into submission before it worked...
[21:19] <Berzerker> coreymon77: yes
[21:19] <NightBird> of course, I'm used to having to do that with my wireless card...
[21:20] <trident523> NightBird: Well, I beat it into submission before finishing the update last night... 5 clean installs, 3 different ndiswrappers... a mess.
[21:20] <coreymon77> NightBird: i got smart, when my previous wifi card died on me, i researched a bit to find a card that would work out of the box
[21:20] <NightBird> trident523: ah, yeah, I tried reinstalling ndiswrapper several times, as well as the drivers... then I tried b43, and I had to download and install the firmware, then it worked
[21:21] <NightBird> coreymon77: yeah, well, I'm still using the wireless driver my laptop came with
[21:21] <VousDeux> What is klipper and why does it keep my CPU at 100%?
[21:22] <NightBird> er... device... but oh well
[21:22] <coreymon77> NightBird: well ya, my linux box is a desktop, so i just got the airlink101 awlh4030
[21:22] <Berzerker> coreymon77: so uhm...halp?
[21:22] <Berzerker> lol
[21:22] <Dragnslcr> VousDeux- it's the copy/paste clipboard
[21:22] <Dragnslcr> VousDeux- no idea why it'd be using the CPU like that
[21:23] <VousDeux> hmmm...I wonder why I can still copy/paste even after I kill it
[21:23] <coreymon77> Berzerker: ya, from what i know, you are prob gonna have to use the madwifi stuff
[21:23] <Berzerker> I've used it before
[21:23] <Berzerker> It's worked sometimes
[21:23] <Berzerker> last few times I used it, it didn't work
[21:23] <Berzerker> lol
[21:23] <Berzerker> oops
[21:23] <Berzerker> you might want to fix that
[21:24] <jussi01> hrm
[21:24] <NightBird> also; is there a way to blacklist drivers for a livecd startup?
[21:24] <VousDeux> thanks Dragnslcr
[21:24] <Dragnslcr> No problem
[21:24] <Berzerker> I was just about to change it back
[21:24] <Berzerker> ﻿Official Kubuntu support | FAQ: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FAQ | Get Hardy Kubuntu (KDE3) CDs https://shipit.kubuntu.org | Pastes: http://paste.ubuntu.com | Chat in #kubuntu-offtopic | KDE 4 support in #kubuntu-kde4 | 8.04 Released! http://kubuntu.org/news/8.04-release Party in #ubuntu-release-party
[21:25] <Berzerker> that's thedsdf topic, anyway
[21:25] <coreymon77> Berzerker: okay then, lets do this
[21:25] <Berzerker> coreymon77: kk
[21:26] <Berzerker> coreymon77: what about the audio out
[21:26] <coreymon77> Berzerker: give me a sec
[21:27] <coreymon77> Berzerker: okay, make sure that the madwifi-tools package is installed
[21:27] <jermain> hi, can anyone tell me how i find out the ip of my gateway?
[21:27] <Berzerker> jermain: ifconfig
[21:27] <jermain> thanks
[21:28] <jermain> but several numbers show up, how do i recognize the gateway?
[21:28] <Berzerker> coreymon77: ok, that's installed
[21:28] <Berzerker> jermain: it should be the first 3 numbers of your local IP then .1
[21:28] <Berzerker> so 192.168.1.1, or something like that
[21:28] <nodesert> how can i disable xgl
[21:28] <ferrao> hi ppl
[21:29] <algyz> !hi | ferrao
[21:29] <ubotu> ferrao: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[21:29] <Berzerker> lol
[21:29] <jermain> thank you Berzerker :)
[21:29] <Berzerker> np
[21:29] <coreymon77> Berzerker: okay then
[21:29] <coreymon77> Berzerker: so, type iwconfig
[21:29] <algyz> ifconfig
[21:29] <Berzerker> no wireless extensions
[21:29] <coreymon77> Berzerker: tell me if you see ath0 or ath1 or anything like that
[21:29] <Berzerker> no
[21:29] <Berzerker> eth0 and lo
[21:29] <algyz> lol ;)
[21:30] <coreymon77> not good
[21:31] <Berzerker> lol
[21:31] <coreymon77> is there a madwifi tools app in your kmenu somehwere
[21:31] <Berzerker> no
[21:32] <Berzerker> sudo modprobe ath_pci sudo modprobe wlan_scan_sta
[21:33] <Berzerker> what about those
[21:33] <Berzerker> do I need to do that
[21:33] <coreymon77> try it
[21:33] <coreymon77> couldnt hurt
[21:34] <Berzerker> nope
[21:34] <Berzerker> still nothing
[21:35] <coreymon77> Berzerker: okay then
[21:35] <coreymon77> what does wlanconfig do for you
[21:36] <Berzerker> gives me 3 usage lines
[21:37] <coreymon77> Berzerker: pastebin them
[21:37] <Berzerker> they're not long
[21:37] <Berzerker> usage: wlanconfig athX create [nounit] wlandev wifiY
[21:37] <Berzerker>             wlanmode [sta|adhoc|ap|monitor|wds|ahdemo] [bssid | -bssid] [nosbeacon]
[21:37] <Berzerker> usage: wlanconfig athX destroy
[21:37] <Berzerker> usage: wlanconfig athX list [active|ap|caps|chan|freq|keys|scan|sta|wme]
[21:38] <coreymon> tell me if this does anything
[21:38] <coreymon> sudo wlanconfig ath0 create wlandev wifi0 wlanmode sta
[21:40] <ferrao> what a diferent ubuntu e xubuntu?
[21:40] <coreymon77> ferrao: ubuntu=gnome xubuntu=xfce
[21:40] <kristian__> xubuntu is with xfce4 deskstopp
[21:40] <Berzerker> coreymon: ioctl: no such device
[21:41] <fdoving> ferrao: ubuntu uses gnome by default, xubuntu uses the lighter xfce.
[21:41] <coreymon77> okay dokey
[21:41] <ferrao> the best is?
[21:41] <kristian__> kde 4
[21:41] <fdoving> your choice.
[21:41] <coreymon77> Berzerker: maybe you should take a look at this, im assuming you are familiar with compiling?
[21:41] <coreymon77> ferrao: its all personal preference
[21:41] <Berzerker> yes
[21:42] <coreymon77> Berzerker: okay then
[21:42] <jussio1> !best | ferrao
[21:42] <ubotu> ferrao: Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors. Do NOT take polls in the channel. If you insist on getting people's opinions, ask BestBot in #ubuntu-bots.
[21:42] <coreymon> http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/FirstTimeHowTo
[21:42] <coreymon> that might help
[21:42] <ferrao> sorry my question, is 1st i install Uguntu
[21:43] <coreymon77> Berzerker: search around there, you mind find something that helps
[21:43] <Monika|K> in the system menu (next to the K menu) there is now after upgrading to hardy an entry "documents" which leads nowhere ... can someone tell me how to remove it?
[21:44] <ferrao> Alguem fala portugues?
[21:45] <jussio1> !pt | ferrao
[21:45] <ubotu> ferrao: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[21:45] <ferrao> tks ppl
[21:45] <Berzerker> coreymon77: FATAL: Module wlan is in use.
[21:46] <coreymon77> Berzerker: ah ha!
[21:46] <coreymon77> Berzerker: good
[21:47] <coreymon77> Berzerker: what command produced that error
[21:47] <Berzerker> ./madwifi-unload.bash
[21:47] <coreymon77> Berzerker: did you bring down te wlan interface
[21:47] <coreymon77> ?
[21:47] <Berzerker> how
[21:47] <coreymon77> wait a sec
[21:47] <coreymon77> does wlan appear in iwconfig
[21:47] <coreymon77> ?
[21:47] <Berzerker> no
[21:48] <coreymon77> go to system prefs
[21:48] <coreymon77> then network prefs
[21:48] <Berzerker> yeah
[21:48] <coreymon77> what interfaces are listed
[21:48] <Berzerker> eth0
[21:49] <coreymon77> that it?
[21:49] <Berzerker> yes
[21:49] <coreymon77> try this
[21:49] <coreymon77> sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
[21:49] <Berzerker> no such device
[21:49] <coreymon77> sudo ifconfig wlan up
[21:50] <Berzerker> wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
[21:50] <kristian__> na8ti
[21:50] <Berzerker> same thing
[21:50] <Berzerker> only wlan:
[21:50] <coreymon77> hmm
[21:50] <coreymon77> so wait, it says that you are using it, yet it doesnt seem to appear
[21:50] <Berzerker> I'm going to remove the modules
[21:50] <Berzerker> and try with thiswlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
[21:50] <Berzerker>  version
[21:50] <Berzerker> oops
[21:51] <coreymon77> okay
[21:51] <coreymon77> sorry im not much help, its wierd, madwifi cards should just work by now
[21:52] <eht> i installed hardy, but with wrong keyboard layout... how can i change that on the console. ?    i have tried 'dpkg-reconfigure console-data' but that makes no change ?
[21:52] <coreymon77> umm, you cant just go and change in in system prefs?
[21:52] <Berzerker> it's not working
[21:52] <Berzerker> still doesn't show it
[21:52] <Berzerker> even though I got no errors
[21:53] <coreymon77> you got no errors from what?
[21:53] <Berzerker> compiling
[21:53] <coreymon77> compiling what?
[21:53] <Berzerker> madwifi
[21:54] <coreymon77> you mean the thing that they showed you?
[21:54] <Berzerker> yes
[21:54] <Berzerker> oh hold on a second
[21:54] <coreymon77> ?
[21:55] <Berzerker> nope nvm
[21:55] <Berzerker> still didn't work
[21:55] <coreymon77> umm, this might help
[21:56] <coreymon> http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Ubuntu
[21:57] <Berzerker> still nothin
[21:57] <Berzerker> g
[21:57] <coreymon77> you disabled the thing?
[21:57] <Berzerker> yes
[21:58] <coreymon77> okay
[21:58] <gloopy> Hi
[21:58] <coreymon77> now try doing the unload.bash
[21:58] <Berzerker> same error
[21:58] <coreymon77> what is using it
[21:58] <Berzerker> dunno
[21:59] <coreymon77> try restarting
[21:59] <ferrao> what last BERYL?
[21:59] <gloopy> I'm trying to install 8.04, but the installer doesn't detect one of my hard drives
[21:59] <flipstar> i'm having trouble playing a dvd..could it be an bad dvd or so ? http://pastebin.com/d4037c596
[21:59] <coreymon77> maybe that will help out
[21:59] <Berzerker> restart the computer or restart KDE
[21:59] <coreymon77> comp
[22:00] <flipstar> two others just played fine
[22:01] <v6lur> any way to force reading CDs at max possible speed?
[22:01] <v6lur> eject .x 52 seems to have zero effect
[22:01] <v6lur> -x 52*
[22:02] <Berzerker> nope
[22:02] <Berzerker> nothin
[22:02] <Berzerker> g
[22:02] <coreymon77> still cant unload?
[22:03] <Berzerker> oh no
[22:03] <Berzerker> it unloaded
[22:03] <Berzerker> no FATALs
[22:03] <Berzerker> ok now what
[22:03] <coreymon77> the unload.bash worked?
[22:03] <Berzerker> yes
[22:03] <coreymon77> yay!
[22:03] <jussio1> !enter
[22:03] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[22:03] <daemon3> The servers still seem pretty busy.  It's taking me about 10 hours to upgrade!
[22:04] <daemon3> ...at a fast connection!
[22:04] <coreymon77> Berzerker: okay then, do you have the madwifi source dled?
[22:04] <Berzerker> yes
[22:04] <Berzerker> I'm pretty sure I already installed it, before I restarted
[22:04] <Berzerker> should I just try to modprobe again?
[22:06] <coreymon> http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/FirstTimeHowTo
[22:06] <coreymon77> go through the instructions there, just to be sure
[22:07] <noam_> hey... i've heard people complaining that hardy broke sound support in flash. is that true? are there workarounds?
[22:08] <daemon3> With an upgrade, once I download the packages, do I need to be connected to the net any more?
[22:08] <Berzerker> still nothing is showing up
[22:08] <Berzerker> coreymon77
[22:08] <GrahamA> daemon3: Any reason you'd need to disconnect?
[22:08] <coreymon77> Berzerker: did you go through all of the steps
[22:09] <coreymon77> ?
[22:09] <Berzerker> yes
[22:09] <coreymon77> up to and including the modprobe part
[22:09] <coreymon77> ?
[22:09] <Berzerker> yes
[22:09] <daemon3> GrahamA: I'd rather not explain.
[22:09] <GrahamA> Are you really power conciencous?
[22:10] <daemon3> It's not about power.
[22:10] <coreymon77> Berzerker: so, iwconf still doesnt give you anything?
[22:10] <Berzerker> yup
[22:10] <GrahamA> daemon3: Is it an actual good reason?
[22:10] <GrahamA> Are you on dialup or something?
[22:10] <daemon3> GrahamA: Yes there is a reason.  It's not dial up.
[22:10] <daemon3> GrahamA: I just don't want to explain.  Thanks you.
[22:11] <Warod> Any idea what stuff might stop me from changing content of a file under /sys/devices/platform/ ?  applesmc module in use and trying to change min speed of the fan.
[22:11] <coreymon77> Berzerker: maybe its time you went to the madwifi support channel
[22:11] <coreymon77> Berzerker: #madwifi
[22:11] <daemon3> But am I able to disconnect form the net once I download the instlal packages for Hardy?
[22:11] <Warod> Worked fine before I upgraded the system from beta to release version.
[22:11] <Berzerker> I'm there
[22:11] <Berzerker> hold on
[22:11] <GrahamA> daemon3: I'm 80% sure you could if you needed to and 100% sure it's a bad idea
[22:12] <daemon3> Thanks, GrahamA
[22:12] <coreymon77> daemon3: i wouldnt
[22:12] <coreymon77> daemon3: dont say we didnt warn you if something messes up
[22:12] <daemon3> I know, coreymon77.  I guess I won't.
[22:13] <daemon3> It's just that the way I connect to the internet is very limited and the download is takign so long. (the guess time ranges from 4 - 9 hours).
[22:14] <daemon3> ...and that's at 90 kb/s
[22:14] <GrahamA> Tell me about it
[22:14] <psyco> How much space does kubuntu require minimally?
[22:14] <GrahamA> daemon3: I'm on Virgin Media... the ISP of the hour
[22:14] <coreymon77> Berzerker: do you have any idea what to ask on that channel?
[22:14] <daemon3> psyco: Probably about 10 G.
[22:15] <daemon3> Maybe less.
[22:15] <f00f> I just got 8.04 :)
[22:15] <flipstar> psyco: minimal of minimal ~500mb
[22:15] <f00f> can kde3 and kde4 exist concurrently without problems?
[22:15] <psyco> daemon3: What if /home is on a different partition??
[22:15] <daemon3> f00f: How logn did it take you?
[22:15] <f00f> daemon3: lol server was packed.. I did it overnight
[22:15] <BonesolTeraDyne> psyco: I wouldn't install it in a partition of less than 2 GB.
[22:15] <psyco> OK.
[22:15] <yakuzi> do you guys know an easy (fast) way to change the icon of the trashcan while all other icons stay the default crystal-svg icon theme? i know i can change them all by hand, but i did it once and after a while i could do it again (some update reversed it or something)
[22:15] <GrahamA> daemon3: Might be a better idea to download the ISO because if it cocks up you'll know.
[22:16] <flipstar> psyco: i would recommend at least 5gig
[22:16] <psyco> Pecause I gave it 5GB, and at about 72% it said there wasn't enough
[22:16] <GrahamA> daemon3: Trying to download all the packages and then having issues you're likely to f*ck your entire system
[22:16] <GrahamA> And you'd be well and truley snookered
[22:16] <daemon3> GrahamA: Thanks.  I already have the ISO.
[22:16] <f00f> I want to check out KDE4, but I don't want to mess up my KDE3 install
[22:16] <Berzerker> coreymon77: I'm already talking to someone
[22:16] <coreymon77> f00f: no worries, you can have both kde3 and 4 alongside eachother
[22:16] <f00f> coreymon77: awesome! :D thx
[22:17] <f00f> btw.. looove openoffice 2.4 :D
[22:17] <GrahamA> daemon3: Then why use the online updater?
[22:17] <GrahamA> omgwtf?
[22:17] <coreymon77> you can have both at the same time, they are in different directories
[22:17] <flipstar> btw where can i get avisynth.dll ? i'm having trouble playing a dvd.. http://pastebin.com/d4037c596
[22:17] <daemon3> GrahamA: The update CD wouldn't update.
[22:17] <coreymon77> heres my solution
[22:17] <coreymon77> dont get hardy immediately
[22:18] <psyco> If I want home on a differnet partion
[22:18] <coreymon77> wait a few days for everyone to get it and for the initial crucial bugs to be ironed out
[22:18] <daemon3> coreymon77: My solution to me?
[22:18] <psyco> I make a "/" partiton and a "/home" partiton right??
[22:18] <daemon3> ...rather your solutoin for me?
[22:18] <coreymon77> not only is the server less bloated, but bugs are ironed out
[22:18] <BonesolTeraDyne> psyco: right
[22:18] <psyco> BonesolTeraDyne: ok ty
[22:18] <coreymon77> daemon3: if it works for you great, but i was just commenting on what i do
[22:20] <Berzerker> coreymon77: I got it!
[22:22] <Asche_83m> hello! after upgrading to hardy youtube's sound doesn't work anymore
[22:22] <Asche_83m> plz help me
[22:23] <Asche_83m> I already installed libflashsupport
[22:23] <GrahamA> Guys I have an inital crucial bug.
[22:23] <flipstar> is anyone here familar with torrentflux ?
[22:23] <xenol> !sound | Asche_83m
[22:23] <ubotu> Asche_83m: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[22:24] <Berzerker> coreymon77: it works!
[22:24] <tdjacr|away> Can someone review http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=768908 for me?
[22:24] <Asche_83m> thx xenol
[22:25] <GrahamA> No seriously, I've got an ATI Radeon 9800XT pro, which is a bug anyway but we'll run with it, and I've told it time and time again to use fglrx, like... I went tinto xorg.conf and said "Hey, you know what, why don't you, instead of the standard driver use fglrx instead." and I thought we'd get on well... but it stabbed me in the back and left me for some hunky mesa driver which always shows up in fglrx and never leaves me alone.
[22:25] <Asche_83m> though this doesnt really help me
[22:25] <Asche_83m> sound in amarok works fine
[22:25] <Asche_83m> it's flash (youtube), nexuiz (game) that dont work anymore
[22:25] <winterelf> hi.... i m tring to use axfr and i dont have it even in the apt, hou can i get it?
[22:26] <winterelf> trying :P
[22:27] <patrick87> hello
[22:27] <f00f> GrahamA: I'm an ati user, what are you trying to do?
[22:27] <patrick87> can i get the "oxygen" style for KDE3?
[22:27] <Asche_83m> !Players
[22:27] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Listen, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, Exaile, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine - See also !codecs
[22:27] <GrahamA> f00f: Use fglrx
[22:27] <GrahamA> Won't load
[22:27] <GrahamA> I offered it cake.
[22:27] <f00f> GrahamA: and you're on a 9800XT.. hmm
[22:27] <winterelf> some 1?? hi.... i m trying to use axfr and i dont have it even in the apt, hou can i get it?
[22:28] <f00f> GrahamA: did you install the drivers from the ATI website?
[22:28] <Berzerker> I still can't find that package
[22:28] <GrahamA> No.
[22:28] <GrahamA> No I did not.
[22:28] <Berzerker> it's a GUI synaptics touchpad manager
[22:28] <Berzerker> I just don't know what it's called
[22:29] <GrahamA> I've installed them from the restricted drivers manager
[22:29] <f00f> GrahamA: honestly that's the best way to do it.  I tried messing with the ones in the repository, but for ATi you should always be using the latest stuff
[22:29] <GrahamA> I should say
[22:29] <tdjacr|away> Can someone review http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=768908 for me?
[22:29] <f00f> you'll just need to move or delete the /lib/your-kernel-version/volatile/fglrx.ko file after you install the ati drivers.
[22:29] <GrahamA> Before fleeing to use the restricted drivers from the repo, I did try that
[22:30] <matt__> anyone know of a cad program that starts with a p someone recommended a while back that is free, like autocad, and works 100% in wine?
[22:30] <f00f> then run aticonfig --initial
[22:30] <matt__> i was thinking it was progecad, but i don't thini that is it....
[22:30] <f00f> that's the only way I got my HD-2600XT to run
[22:30] <GrahamA> f00f: Sooo... your advice is uninstall the drivers... then get the ATI ones
[22:30] <Berzerker> how can I tell if I'm using the nvidia drivers or not
[22:30] <f00f> GrahamA: yeah, just don't uninstall the restricted drivers package, you might need that for other stuff
[22:31] <f00f> just move or delete that one file after you install the official ATi ones
[22:31] <GrahamA> Not to be cynical but considering this card is ungodly amounts of old... would the repository really be out of date?
[22:31] <f00f> GrahamA: oh.. my bad LOL read it wrong... it's a 9800XT... hmm.. should work...
[22:32] <GrahamA> What do you mean you read it wrong?
[22:32] <GrahamA> 9- 8-0-0 EX TEE
[22:32] <GrahamA> I don't even think it's a real card... my brother decided to overclock it.
[22:32] <f00f> GrahamA: for some reason I read the 9 as a 3... don't ask how lol
[22:32] <GrahamA> Fair enough
[22:33] <ubuntu_> Saludos
[22:33] <malvoro> Hola a todos como estan
[22:33] <f00f> the ones in 8.04 aren't that old either.. hmm..
[22:33] <f00f> GrahamA: what does your xorg.conf look like?
[22:33] <xenol> can anyone tell me if there is any way to install kubuntu in archlinux style?
[22:34] <f00f> just to see try running aticonfig --initial as root
[22:34] <f00f> it might just magically work after that
[22:34] <jussio1> xenol: what is archlinux style??
[22:34] <xenol> jussio1: i mean, u just install base system and then install packages u want
[22:35] <jussio1> !minimal | xenol
[22:35] <ubotu> xenol: The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[22:35] <jussio1> :)
[22:35] <GrahamA> f00f: http://pastebin.com/d639b4c77
[22:35] <xenol> jussio1: thx m8
[22:36] <jussio1> :)
[22:36] <xenol> !raid
[22:36] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO - For software RAID, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto
[22:37] <Berzerker> coreymon77: you there?
[22:37] <GrahamA> f00f: I've thought of somethin, shouldn't the module loading part be at the top?
[22:37] <xenol> jussio1: any ideas plz if it is possible to use w32codecs, flash, java plugins, opera and skype on 64bit kubuntu?
[22:37] <f00f> GrahamA: maybe... I don't think it matters though
[22:38] <Qwerasdf> I think I broke my computer.
[22:38] <f00f> and try loading "dri" as well
[22:38] <psyco> I think I also broke my PC
[22:38] <f00f> GrahamA: run glxinfo | grep direct and see if you get yes
[22:38] <jussio1> !flash64 | xenol
[22:38] <ubotu> xenol: You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[22:38] <Qwerasdf> Rather, the new kubuntu broke my computer.
[22:38] <GrahamA> f00f: program is not installed
[22:39] <GrahamA> f00f: Gimme a second
[22:39] <iskaldur> hi, im trying to rip some cds using k3b...is there a way to specify the bitrate? or is there a ripping program that will let me?
[22:39] <xenol> jussio1: there aint any HH version of minimal cd :/
[22:39] <GrahamA> f00f: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)
[22:39] <GrahamA> f00f: omgwtf :'(
[22:39] <jussio1> xenol: really?
[22:40] <Qwerasdf> Every time I try to log in, it just reboots the login menu...
[22:40] <jussio1> xenol: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[22:41] <xenol> jussio1: ah sry, i couldnt find one on wiki
[22:41] <jussio1> xenol: dont think the wiki has been updated yryt
[22:41] <f00f> GrahamA: lol.. try aticonfig --initial
[22:41] <jussio1> yet*
[22:41] <f00f> maybe that'll work, just back up your xorg.conf first
[22:41] <GrahamA> Found fglrx primary device section
[22:41] <GrahamA> Nothing to do, terminating.
[22:41] <tdjacr|away> Can someone review http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=768908 for me?
[22:42] <f00f> GrahamA: ok.. under the module section comment out Load "glx"... and put Load "dri"
[22:42] <Qwerasdf> ...So, no help?
[22:43] <xenol> jussio1: thx one more question, with minimal cd, can i install rly only what i want?
[22:43] <GrahamA> f00f: Right... anything else captain or shall I restart X?
[22:44] <Qwerasdf> Great, thanks.
[22:44] <jussio1> xenol: correct
[22:45] <xenol> jussio1: but if i install kubuntu-desktop it means that i will get everything what on live cd? can i install only apps i want?
[22:45] <f00f> GrahamA: restart X :)
[22:45] <f00f> and pray
[22:45] <f00f> lol
[22:46] <jussio1> xenol: no, kubuntu-desktop is a meta which has loads of stuff
[22:46] <GrahamA> Our kernel, who art in x, modprobed be his name...
[22:47] <GrahamA> brb
[22:47] <xenol> jussio1: so if i dont want to install kubuntu-desktop and i will apt-get install for kde, will i get vanilla ked?
[22:47] <xenol> jussio1: kde*
[22:47] <coreymon77> Berzerker: so, is it working?
[22:48] <jussio1> xenol: I dont know, but i assume so.
[22:48] <xenol> jussio1: uhm thx will look on this, really th
[22:48] <xenol> jussio1: uhm thx will look on this, really thx
[22:49] <coreymon> Berzerker: is it working now?
[22:50] <Berzerker> coreymon: yeah
[22:50] <Berzerker> it is
[22:50] <Berzerker> I'm back in OS X, just for a little while
[22:50] <GrahamA> f00f: Hey
[22:50] <flipstar> is anyone here familar with torrentflux ?
[22:50] <Berzerker> to see if everything works ok
[22:50] <GrahamA> IT DIDN'T WORK :'( </wrists>
[22:50] <coreymon> Berzerker: was it working?
[22:51] <Berzerker> yes
[22:51] <Berzerker> it was
[22:51] <coreymon> Berzerker: yay! you got them to list?
[22:51] <Berzerker> yes
[22:51] <Berzerker> I connected also
[22:51] <coreymon> yay!
[22:51] <Berzerker> internet was working fine
[22:51] <coreymon> ???
[22:51] <coreymon> it was
[22:51] <coreymon> ?
[22:51] <coreymon> so i was right!
[22:51] <f00f> GrahamA: hmm.. wait a second.. let's retrace your steps
[22:51] <coreymon> anyways, food time
[22:51] <f00f> you tried to install the ati drivers from the website first right
[22:53] <GrahamA> They worked - yay - then I upgraded and they stopped working - boo - then I tried unintsalling and reinstalling ati drivers from repository, then I tried website drivers
[22:53] <Berzerker> I'm totally drawing a blank on the make a directory command
[22:53] <Berzerker> oh mkdir
[22:53] <Berzerker> lol
[22:53] <GrahamA> THEN I got ragged and reinstalled  from fresh, and put on a fresh install of hardy
[22:54] <GrahamA> And then I installed from repo, never worked, followed instructions, same, here we are
[22:55] <f00f> hmm.. really weird....
[22:55] <f00f> lsmod | grep fglrx
[22:55] <rance> Ive had some problems since the 8.04 upgrade, and I need some help, like first, where did the sound go?
[22:55] <GrahamA> f00f:
[22:55] <GrahamA> fglrx                1555468  0
[22:55] <GrahamA> agpgart                34760  2 fglrx,amd64_agp
[22:56] <f00f> ok.. so since now you haven't attempted to install or upgrade any ati drivers
[22:56] <gloopy> turn the volume up :)
[22:57] <GrahamA> f00f: I used restricted drivers manager
[22:57] <GrahamA> Wait... this is od..
[22:57] <GrahamA> odd...
[22:57] <f00f> lsmod | grep drm
[22:57] <rance> gloopy :) according to kmix, volume is maxed out, no sound
[22:57] <GrahamA> f00f: Nothing showed up
[22:58] <GrahamA> f00f: But according to restricted drivers manager... no propriatry hardware exists...
[22:58] <Berzerker> anyone help with mounting a linux disk on OS X?
[22:58] <GrahamA> Sodding thing!
[22:58] <f00f> hmm
[22:58] <f00f> it is a 9800...
[22:59] <f00f> that might be legacy by now
[22:59] <kk> ASTUPITS
[22:59] <kk> JAJAJA
[22:59] <gloopy> rance I had to klick the green dot above 'front' to hear anything here
[22:59] <f00f> GrahamA: ok.. run amdcccle
[23:00] <GrahamA> f00f: Installing fglrx-control
[23:01] <GrahamA> Ok, it's open
[23:01] <rance> gloopy: already lit for me
[23:02] <Berzerker> coreymon: you there?
[23:02] <f00f> GrahamA: does it have any info for you
[23:03] <weswh-> anyone upgraded from fesity to hardy?
[23:03] <f00f> go to the information page
[23:03] <GrahamA> Yes... yes it does...
[23:03] <f00f> does it see your hardware?
[23:03] <GrahamA> Yes... yes it does...
[23:03] <f00f> now under the opengl part
[23:04] <flipstar> weswh-: this is not a good idea
[23:04] <GrahamA> Mesa... it says nothing but mesa
[23:04] <GrahamA> Mesa this... mesa that...
[23:04] <mefisto__> rance: do you have more than one soundcard?
[23:04] <Xbehave> i have a vista partition in my HD but ubuntu didnt detect it on install, is it possible to boot to it?
[23:04] <f00f> that's bad
[23:04] <weswh-> flipstar: need to stage to gusty? or need to do a full reinstall?
[23:04] <GrahamA> Yes I know that's bad... that's the problem I'm trying to fix.
[23:04] <rance> mefisto__: nope, only one
[23:05] <flipstar> weswh-: both is possible
[23:05] <flipstar> your desicion
[23:05] <GrahamA> f00f: Maybe I offended the mesa gods by calling them kernel
[23:05] <GrahamA> So they've struck me down...
[23:05] <GrahamA> More likely than you think!
[23:05] <f00f> is this installed: xorg-driver-fglrx ?
[23:06] <GrahamA> f00f: Amazingly yes
[23:06] <f00f> something must be up with ubuntu.....
[23:07] <GrahamA> I'm trying to figure it out.
[23:07] <Xbehave> sorry to chime in with no idea whats going on, but, why do you have fglrx? is this an ATI system & whats the original problem?
[23:07] <Xbehave> !grub
[23:07] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[23:08] <f00f> hmm
[23:08] <GrahamA> Xbehave: Yes... I did first think to check It was an ati system :/
[23:08] <f00f> I'm totally lost as to how to fix it...
[23:09] <GrahamA> And the original problem is I keep getting 'mesa' to manage my openGL and It won't give me 3d acceleration
[23:09] <GrahamA> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[23:09] <GrahamA> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[23:09] <GrahamA> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[23:09] <GrahamA> OpenGL version string: 1.4 (2.1 Mesa 7.0.3-rc2)
[23:09] <GrahamA> As so
[23:09] <BlackThunder> hola
[23:09] <alexandr> uooKo4po
[23:09] <BlackThunder> necesito ayuda
[23:10] <Xbehave> are you on 7.10, on 7.10 i had some ati problems with the prop driver, then i update to a non repo version, i got that problem because i didnt read it properly, ill have a look back over my history see if i can find the guide
[23:10] <BlackThunder> hi
[23:10] <BlackThunder> i need some advice
[23:10] <GrahamA> No I recently went from 7.10 to 8.04
[23:10] <flipstar> BlackThunder: »»> #kubuntu-es
[23:10] <BlackThunder> thanks
[23:11] <GrahamA> Xbehave: I did a fresh install of Hardy
[23:11] <GrahamA> Worked on Gutsy
[23:17] <Xbehave> GrahamA: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Hardy_Installation_Guide
[23:18] <Xbehave> thats the guide i used (well the gutsy version) are you on a 64 bit system?
[23:19] <GrahamA> Xbehave: I'll try it
[23:20] <GrahamA> If it works, I'll show you naked pictures.
[23:20] <Xbehave> just a thx will do tbh ;P
[23:23] <AMIGrAve> just tried to install kubuntu 8.04 desktop (kde 3.x) on my brand new HP Pavillon HDX (nvidia geforce 8800M GTS) and the max resolution used is 800x600. I had a look to xorg.conf and saw it was nearly empty. No driver specified, no resolution specified. I guess a lot of changes has been made to xorg since last realease. Could someone point me to an url or something about how to setup...
[23:23] <AMIGrAve> ...correctly the video settings under kubuntu 8.04 ?
[23:24] <flipstar> AMIGrAve: just use the nvidia-settings if you already installed the nvidia drivers
[23:27] <f00f> that reminds me... I need to order a DVI cable...
[23:27] <Xbehave> AMIGrAve: do you have restricted drivers?
[23:27] <minaqua> how can I get the trash off the kicker and on to the desktop?
[23:27] <AMIGrAve> flipstar: didn't installed yet. Is there more than one package for proprietary drivers ? I remember something about legacy and not legacy drivers and I don't know which one to take
[23:28] <mefisto__> rance: have you seen this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=729873
[23:28] <Xbehave> you dont need legacy if its brand new
[23:28] <flipstar> AMIGrAve: just use the driver manager.. kmenu>system>driver manager
[23:28] <flipstar> it will care about all this
[23:30] <AMIGrAve> Xbehave: flipstar : oh now I remember ! I have to install restricted. I remember on last release that a popup told me about that. But it didn't happened this time. Going to apt-cache search restricted
[23:30] <AMIGrAve> Xbehave: flipstar : going to reboot and try
[23:30] <mefisto__> minaqua: to put trash on desktop: right-click desktop, create new, link to location, and for the URL put in trash:/
[23:30] <flipstar> AMIGrAve: you don't have to.. there is a nice app for this..>driver manager
[23:31] <sumant> hi all
[23:32] <AMIGrAve> flipstar: ok, I'll try the front end for this task. After all, the reason I switched from debian to kubuntu is that I don't want to hack this kind of things anymore. So I'll check kmenu>system>driver manager. Thanks
[23:32] <mefisto__> minaqua: to remove trash icon from panel: right-click panel, remove from panel, applet, wastebin
[23:33] <AMIGrAve> flipstar: anyway, I hope that we can still override xorg settings by using xorg.conf
[23:33] <flipstar> AMIGrAve: sure
[23:33] <sumant> want help regarding usb modem
[23:33] <GrahamA> Xbehave: No such luck
[23:33] <GrahamA> Though I will try it with the gnome restricted drivers manager rather than the KDE provided one
[23:33] <sumant> http://ubuntu-in.org/wiki/BSNL_CDMA_WLL_Howto
[23:33] <AMIGrAve> flipstar: because I have an arcade cabinet and for this  I have to set up special modelines that should output 15khz horizontal frequency
[23:34] <sumant> am new to linux
[23:34] <sumant> can anyone help
[23:34] <AMIGrAve> flipstar: Xbehave : thanks for your help. Going to try this
[23:34] <GrahamA> Xbehave: As far as it's concerend... I don't have any propriatry devices anymire
[23:34] <GrahamA> anymore
[23:34] <flipstar> AMIGrAve: thats no problem..you can even do this with nvidia-settings
[23:35] <mefisto__> sumant: just ask your question and see
[23:35] <minaqua> mefisto: not working
[23:36] <mefisto__> minaqua: desktop icon not working?
[23:36] <Xbehave> have you added the ignore flgx line to devices?
[23:36] <sumant> @mefisto: i have a fixed wireless cdma phone....have the usb cable installed. (kubuntu7.10)
[23:36] <sumant> http://ubuntu-in.org/wiki/BSNL_CDMA_WLL_Howto
[23:36] <sumant> its shown here...but dunno how to run the commands
[23:37] <sumant> have reached step 2
[23:37] <sumant>      sudo wvdialconf
[23:38] <flipstar> sumant: open a shell (kmenu>konsole) and paste that there
[23:39] <sumant> flipstar:let me see
[23:39] <minaqua> mefisto: no...gives me an icon that looks like folded page
[23:39] <terrestre> do you think its a good idea install ubuntu and kubuntu in the same partition or its better separated?
[23:39] <flipstar> minaqua: if the link itself is working you can change the icon
[23:39] <sumant> flipstar:reached this step
[23:39] <mefisto__> minaqua: did you put in "trash:/" for the location (URL)? --without the quotes
[23:41] <flipstar> sumant: done? then now type <kdesu kate /etc/wvdial.conf> in a shell or the run dialog (alt+f2)
[23:41] <minaqua> mefisto: tried that and as soon as I type the slash, the OK button cannot be selected
[23:41] <JimmyJam> hello, I am attempting to install my D-Link Air DWL-650 on Kubuntu 7.10 and when I save the settings my laptop freezes and the caps and scroll lock indicators blink
[23:41] <JimmyJam> I have let it sit for 30+ mins before restarting to make sure that it wasn't just still working
[23:42] <mefisto__> minaqua: you need to give it a name, eg trash or wastebin
[23:42] <raw> hello, is it possible to switch from ubuntu to kubuntu in a vmware?
[23:43] <sumant> flipstar: thanks buddy...am doing it jsut a sec
[23:43] <Fujisan> how do i add a user in Konsole ?
[23:43] <minaqua> got it!  thX :)
[23:43] <SlimeyPete> Fujisan: "adduser username"
[23:43] <SlimeyPete> eg "adduser bob"
[23:43] <SlimeyPete> sorry, sudo adduser
[23:43] <mefisto__> minaqua: np
[23:43] <Fujisan> ty
[23:43] <terrestre> raw ----> using windows?
[23:43] <raw> terrestre: yes.
[23:43] <raw> iam just testing a bit the envoironments.
[23:44] <terrestre> raw, you can use the livecd
[23:44] <raw> but i dont want to install and setup every install.
[23:44] <sumant> flipstar: reached it , (wvdial.conf-kate)
[23:44] <SlimeyPete> if you want to switch you can just install the kubuntu-desktop package using synaptic.
[23:44] <sumant> so paste the new dialer defaults there ?
[23:44] <SlimeyPete> and then install ubuntu-desktop to switch back if you want to.
[23:44] <raw> SlimeyPete: thank you!
[23:45] <JimmyJam> has anybody had any similar expieriences?
[23:45] <flipstar> sumant: it's probably an individual setting with password and so
[23:45] <mefisto__> raw: you choose which one you want at the login screen menu
[23:45] <terrestre> raw, if you use the livecd you dont need to install
[23:46] <sumant> flipstar; yeah its common across all subscriber i did paste it ther
[23:46] <sumant> flipstar: http://ubuntu-in.org/wiki/BSNL_CDMA_WLL_Howto
[23:46] <minaqua> now I just need to figure why I can't get rotating cube in Hardy, while I could in Gutsy
[23:46] <flipstar> sumant: okay then save and go to step 4
[23:46] <krash3x> Does anyone know anything about installing nvidia drivers I got mine to work after installing them manually but I didnt install the 32 bit libraries
[23:46] <raw> terrestre: yes but i have to burn a cd, reboot and acts, i think looking with vmware player in different envoironments helps to choose more easylier.
[23:47] <flipstar> minaqua: compiz running and the plugins enabled ?
[23:47] <sumant> flipstar: saved the file, done step 4 buddy
[23:47] <flipstar> raw: a vm is also slower
[23:47] <sumant> next?
[23:47] <raw> flipstar: you are right, but just for checking a system its perfect.
[23:48] <minaqua> compiz running 4 sure...plugins, me no know.  how 2 find out bout plugz?
[23:48] <flipstar> sumant: <kdesu kate /etc/sudoers> and paste this in the mentioned section, thats important
[23:48] <terrestre> raw and then you can use wubi
[23:48] <raw> then i have to reboot and configure.
[23:48] <flipstar> raw: than you have an idea of how it look, but not how it acts :)
[23:49] <flipstar> and btw no 3d and stuff in an vm
[23:49] <raw> flipstar if i found something that looks nice to me, handling and stuff, i will install it on harddrive.
[23:49] <raw> i know.
[23:50] <mefisto__> how does wubi work? does it install in a folder on windows partition? does it create a file that works as a "virtual" partition? anyone know?
[23:50] <flipstar> raw: okay..but using a live cd doesn't mean to have to install anything or so
[23:51] <raw> mefisto__: it installs a virtual partition and adding a line in boot.ini
[23:51] <raw> flipstar: i know, but to burn a cd. ;)
[23:52] <flipstar> raw: use a cd+rw ;)
[23:52] <raw> i just have dvds laying around here now. :(
[23:52] <flipstar> there are also dvd images..
[23:52] <sumant> fipstar: typing that in konsole opened a new kate window
[23:53] <raw> yes.
[23:53] <flipstar> sumant: thats how it should be
[23:54] <flipstar> sumant: if you done editing this file and saved please type <sudo visudo -c> in a shell to check the syntax
[23:54] <sumant> i need to paste
[23:54] <sumant> # User privilege specification
[23:54] <sumant>      username machine_name = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/wvdial, /usr/bin/killall
[23:54] <sumant> flipstar:
[23:54] <raw> but if just <anyhardwaredevice> doesnt work nice at start you have to configure and do stuff instead of checking the system.
[23:54] <flipstar> you need to edit username and machine name sumant
[23:55] <Fujisan> how do i add a user in Konsole ? (sorry but i cant scroll up and my logging is disable , this text here scrolls too fast)
[23:55] <sumant> flipstar, pasted the
[23:55] <sumant> # User privilege specification
[23:55] <sumant>      username machine_name = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/wvdial, /usr/bin/killall
[23:55] <sumant> there now save it?
[23:55] <flipstar> raw: at least you know it will make trouble..in a vm you don't
[23:56] <flipstar> sumant: no.. you NEED to edit username and machine name
[23:56] <flipstar> sumant: and you need to paste this in the "User privilege specification" it already is there in the file
[23:57] <sumant> flipstar:i type myused name n machine name in the respective fields
[23:57] <sumant> flipstar: done that
[23:58] <flipstar> sumant: also in the right section ?
[23:58] <flipstar> sumant: good then save and run <sudo visudo -c> in a shell
[23:58] <spiroo> Is it possible to reset adept to factory settings?
[23:59] <spiroo> Something has happened. I cannot fetch updates at all anymore in Adept.
[23:59] <sumant> flipstar: u mean the internet user name, n m machine name
[23:59] <sumant> flipstar:sorry
[23:59] <flipstar> sumant: if sumant is your username on your pc you need to type sumant there..look at the example
[23:59] <jussio1> spiroo: whats the error?