[00:00] <doug2266778822> bdmurray: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64445/
[00:06] <bdmurray> doug2266778822: can you browse the dvd using nautilus?  this looks like a hardware issue to me
[00:07] <doug2266778822> bdmurray: yes i can.
[00:09] <bdmurray> do you have any other dvds to test with?
[00:09] <doug2266778822> bdmurray: yes
[00:10] <doug2266778822> bdmurray: let me try that now.
[00:11] <doug2266778822> bdmurray: hmm seems tokyo drift wont work either
[00:15] <doug2266778822> bdmurray: any ideas?
[00:16] <bdmurray> doug2266778822: nothing brilliant at the moment
[00:17] <mr-russ> is the edge kernel really today's bug focus?  if so, why focus on something with 1 week's support left?
[00:18] <bdmurray> mr-russ: edgy is actually eol today.
[00:18] <mr-russ> yeah.  so it there another focus, or a general day?
[00:19] <bdmurray> we normally have bug days on Tuesdays and Thursdays and the focus varies
[00:20]  * mr-russ should read the full bug day wiki page before making comments.
[00:20] <bdmurray> doug2266778822: you could make sure the package you were installing is installed via 'dpkg -l 'pkgname in a terminal
[00:25] <doug2266778822> bdmurray:  i am trying somethng else right now.
[00:28] <doug2266778822> bdmurray:  i done this  sudo wget http://www.medibuntu.org/sources.list.d/hardy.list -O /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list                 sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install medibuntu-keyring && sudo apt-get update             sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2   and it is still giving me probs.
[00:31] <bdmurray> I'm really not certain what is wrong here.  You might check to see what region your dvd drive is set to via regionset but I'm not familiar with that very much.
[00:33] <doug2266778822> bdmurray:  could it be cause i am on 64 bit?
[00:34] <bdmurray> Nope, I'm on 64 bit on a couple of systems and can watch dvds
[00:35] <doug2266778822> what codes did u use to beable to watch them?
[00:36] <bdmurray> You said you could watch one dvd right? So its not the codecs.  Its either the DVD encryption, region settings or hardware.
[00:36] <doug2266778822> how do i change the region setting
[00:37] <bdmurray> you could check it and change it with regionset, but you can only do that a limited number of times and it isn't my area of experise
[00:39] <doug2266778822> wow only a set number of times that is stupid
[00:52] <lucent> doug2266778822: be very careful, you will toast your drive if you set it too many times
[00:52] <lucent> the only possible fix is to buy a new drive and throw the old one away, if you do this
[00:53] <doug2266778822> lucent:  toaste it how by adding and removing codecs?
[00:53] <lucent> no
[00:53] <lucent> "regionset" don't do that
[00:54] <lucent> playing region-restricted DVD video discs is possible without sending your drive a command to set the region
[00:54] <lucent> you need to use "videolan" media player with "libdvdcss"
[00:54] <doug2266778822> lucent:  i have not gone that route yet
[00:54] <lucent> "libdvdcss" may be illegal to posess in your country
[00:54] <lucent> where are you located?
[00:55] <doug2266778822> lucent:  i have but when i click file open disc then openw ith menu or with out vlc closes on me
[00:55] <doug2266778822> lucent: in Tx
[00:55] <lucent> the country of Texas?
[00:55]  * lucent facepalms
[00:56] <lucent> well, to my knowlege we're not supposed to have libdvdcss in the USA
[00:56] <lucent> because of the DMCA laws
[00:56] <doug2266778822> lucent: usa
[00:56] <doug2266778822> lucent:  lol sorry
[00:56] <lucent> there's a legitimately licensed DVD decoder from the Fluendo company
[00:56] <lucent> I think it costs less than $50usd
[00:57] <doug2266778822> lucent:  i know someone who lives in usa and done the codecs and now it works on his he paid nothing
[00:57] <secretlondon> yeah of course, its whether its illegal or not
[00:57] <lucent> doug2266778822: he's probably in violation of the DMCA laws
[00:58] <lucent> sure, you could do it, but I don't want to be thrown into a US-sanctioned torturing camp. Thanks.
[00:58] <doug2266778822> lucent:  how can i work around this and why will it cost just to watch dvd's?
[00:59] <lucent> doug2266778822: the Motion Picture Artists Association lobbied Congress to pass the Patriot Act, and the Digital Millenium Copyright Act, to help them maintain a monopoly on profits from DVD player manufacturers, amongst other reasons
[00:59] <doug2266778822> lucent:  when i ran on feisty about two yrs ago i didnt have this problem.
[01:00] <lucent> we've never been able to play CSS encrypted DVD video discs on fresh installs of Ubuntu OS
[01:00] <lucent> so, it was something you did before
[01:00] <lucent> I think the Fluendo thing is something to look into
[01:00] <lucent> let's try that
[01:02] <lucent> http://www.fluendo.com/products.php?product=dvd
[01:02] <lucent> doug2266778822: personally, I don't ever bother with DVD video for this reason
[01:03] <doug2266778822> lucent:  im trying to get it to work for my 5 yr old son who wants to watch movies
[01:03] <doug2266778822> i just do not want to pay for it i mean vlc you never had to with xp
[01:04] <lucent> Microsoft has paid to include a licensed copy of DVD playback directshow filters with their media player
[01:05] <doug2266778822> lucent: then could i get vlc .exe and run it wine wise?
[01:05] <lucent> you'll get a "better" answer out of someone who has no regard for local law ;)
[01:05] <lucent> it does work but I can't tell you how to do it.
[01:06] <doug2266778822> lucent:  lol thanks and i respect your ways of obeying the law even though it is going to hell in  a hand baskett
[01:11] <lucent> doug2266778822: Canada is looking better and better every day
[01:11]  * lucent :/
[01:11] <doug2266778822> lucent: lol not the usa ='(
[01:12] <lucent> those portable DVD player units are cheap and perfect for the kids, I have seen them on every plane flight nowadays
[01:13] <lucent> "130usd" is not really cheap to most people, but it is less expensive than what you'd have to do to get the kid to be quiet for a couple of hours a day anyhow
[01:13] <doug2266778822> lucent:  lol yea same here but the screen is so SMALL!
[01:14] <lucent> does a 5-year old kid care? :P   no way! they should be lucky to have a block of wood and a charmed life to have a second block of wood
[01:14] <lucent> shoot I grew up all I had was a rusty meccano set, and I was living the good life with that
[01:15] <doug2266778822> haha shoot me all i had was out doors and anything i could find out side to play with.
[01:21] <bdmurray> greg-g: ping
[01:28] <greg-g> bdmurray: pong
[01:29] <bdmurray> greg-g: I've found what I was looking for I think.  Sorry for the false alarm.
[01:30] <greg-g> bdmurray: no worries
[02:07] <howapt> Does anyone know where the login scripts are kept? Im fairly new to linux in general, but since upgrading to hardy I now have to log in twice ¬¬ was wondering if theres a .conf file or what have you
[02:12] <gravemind> I'm having trouble with the alt cd updater, but I'm not sure if I need to report a bug, what do you thing, bug peopls?
[03:01] <dsas> gravemind: If it's a bug then report it :)
[03:01] <dsas> (unless it already has been reported)
[03:01] <gravemind> dsas the thing is I wonder if its just something wrong with my computer
[03:01] <gravemind> or if it's something wrong with the code
[03:01] <gravemind> how do I know
[03:01] <dsas> gravemind: If you explain the problem then maybe someone else will...
[03:02] <dsas> gravemind: the other thing you can do is use the support tracker on launchpad - then if it is a bug someone will hopefully notice and create a bug from it.
[03:02] <gravemind> ok - it's with the amd64 alternate cd, when I run the ugrader it hangs on the first step (preparing upgrader, checking package manager)
[03:02] <gravemind> should I just create a bug that says that
[03:03] <gravemind> and include the logs
[03:03] <dsas> gravemind: Yes please.
[03:03] <gravemind> alrighty :)
[03:03] <gravemind> thanks
[03:04] <greg-g> gravemind: and do a disk check (one of the options from the boot menu of the cd, the integrity of the cd check)
[03:04] <gravemind> alright, will do
[03:05] <gravemind> greg-g: I'm not using a physical cd though, I'm just mounting the image
[03:05] <greg-g> gravemind: to clarify, I mean check the cd's integrity, not your harddrive
[03:05] <gravemind> which worked ok for my other two computers
[03:05] <gravemind> but this one is 64 bit
[03:05] <greg-g> in a virtualized situation of PXE?
[03:05] <greg-g> s/of/or
[03:06] <gravemind> I just did this
[03:06] <gravemind>  sudo mount -t iso9660 -o loop /home/phix/Desktop/ubuntu-8.04-alternate-amd64.iso /media/cdrom/0
[03:06] <gravemind> aj
[03:06] <gravemind> ah
[03:06] <gravemind> maybe that's the problem
[03:07] <gravemind> no, it still doesn't work even when I change /cdrom/0 to /cdrom0
[03:14] <greg-g> gravemind: not sure
[03:18] <gravemind> here, what do you think? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/222278
[03:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 222278 in update-manager "[Gutsy to Hardy] amd64 alt cd upgrade hangs on first step" [Undecided,New]
[03:20] <greg-g> gravemind: good report (you provided good information) but I can't find anything in the logs that scream "this is what went wrong" to me :(
[03:20] <greg-g> of course, I'm not the best at debugging upgrades
[03:21] <gravemind> yeah, I couldn't find anything either :(
[03:21] <gravemind> I had a problem with the upgrader earlier, but in that case, it didn't want to remove nvidia-glx, so I could remove it beforehand and things were ok after that
[03:43] <bdmurray> gravemind: can you post your sources.list file?
[03:43] <gravemind> sure thing
[03:45] <gravemind> /etc/apt/sources.list <http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13918359/sources.list>
[03:46] <bdmurray> hrm
[03:46] <bdmurray> It's probably a -proposed package causing the issue
[03:47] <gravemind> hmm
[03:47] <gravemind> what can I do then?
[03:53] <bdmurray> your apt.log looks strange too
[03:54] <bdmurray> did you upgrade from feisty to gutsy at one point?
[03:54] <gravemind> yes
[03:54] <gravemind> back when gutsy was new, I think
[03:56] <gravemind> yes I did, because I remember having to get the iced tea java instead of the regular java
[03:56] <bdmurray> some of the logs are from from that upgrade
[03:56] <gravemind> hmm
[03:56] <bdmurray> like main_pre_req.log
[03:57] <bdmurray> and most of apt.log
[03:57] <gravemind> there's something that stops the dist upgrade before it can really do anything, that's why the logs are all old
[03:57] <bdmurray> right
[03:59] <bdmurray> do you see anything in the terminal you start the upgrade in?
[04:00] <gravemind> no, after I run gksu "sh /cdrom/cdromupdate" it just leaves that command open and doesn't do anything until I ctrl-c
[04:05] <bdmurray> look in /tmp/ for a file named hardy
[04:05] <bdmurray> we could try executing that directly and see what happens
[04:05] <gravemind> I don't see one in /tmp/
[04:05] <gravemind> but that was the name of the prog that locked the cache
[04:07] <bdmurray> I found it in /tmp/tmp.xyz/hardy
[04:07] <bdmurray> but I'm just guessing this might be more revealing
[04:09] <gravemind> I'm seeing lots of distupgrade files as well
[04:09] <gravemind> ok I found hardy
[04:09] <gravemind> it's a python script
[04:09] <bdmurray> right
[04:09] <gravemind> "python hardy" and see what happens?
[04:10] <bdmurray> so execute it via 'sudo python hardy --cdrom /cdrom'
[04:10] <gravemind> gotcha
[04:11] <gravemind> oops, still locked, just a sec
[04:12] <gravemind> hmm, same thing happens as if I do it the other way
[04:12] <gravemind> no output in terminal
[04:20] <bdmurray> I'm about stuck now is there a reason you aren't trying a network upgrade?
[04:23] <bdmurray> You could see if it can do the calculation w/o doing the full upgrade
[04:23] <gravemind> just because servers were slow
[04:23] <gravemind> calculation?
[04:24] <bdmurray> it'll present you with information about the upgrade and then ask if you want to proceed
[04:24] <gravemind> oh ok - I'll give it a shot
[04:24] <gravemind> us mirrors I guess
[04:32] <gravemind> it's still downloading the upgrade tool
[04:34] <bdmurray> hunh
[04:36] <gravemind> ergh
[04:36] <gravemind> guess what
[04:36] <gravemind> hangs in the same place :(
[04:38] <bdmurray> how long do you give it?
[04:39] <gravemind> it's still open right now
[04:39] <gravemind> I left it open for half an hour once
[04:39] <gravemind> but it turns blank if I drag another window over it
[04:43] <bdmurray> I think it is going to take a developer's help to figure this one out
[04:45] <gravemind> yea - I hope they see the bug report
[04:45] <gravemind> I'm going to have to call it a night soon
[04:45] <bdmurray> gravemind: I'll make sure they do
[04:45] <gravemind> thanks
[07:21] <Arelis> I found a broken package. the name is 'funguloids' and it has dependencies that can't be satisfied
[07:21] <Arelis> the name of the dependency is ogre-plugins-cgprogrammanager
[07:21] <Arelis> !info funguloids
[07:21] <ubotu> funguloids (source: funguloids): space-flying-mushroom-picking-simulator game. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.06-4 (hardy), package size 14449 kB, installed size 20600 kB
[07:21] <Arelis> !depends funguloids
[07:27] <techno_freak> Arelis, file a bug
[07:38] <t3r0> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/218637   < can anyone else confirm this
[07:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218637 in ubuntu "[Hardy] Piping commands does not work always" [Undecided,New]
[07:44]  * techno_freak looks into it
[07:45] <techno_freak> works for me, will check out with a fresh install of hardy
[08:30] <wolfger> anybody else having 5-a-day issues after gutsy->hardy upgrade?
[09:08] <elmargol> If someone reports a missing feature (not a regression) on a old release (gutsy) wich is fixed on a newer version... Can I reject the bug?
[09:12] <thekorn> elmargol, I think I would close it with "fix released" and  a response similar to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#head-246b9a0b2091d7aee70afd2b0579dbbc986eb51b
[09:15] <elmargol> thx
[09:43] <askand> Anyone knows something about the status of bug 59695 ?
[09:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 59695 in suse "High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime" [Unknown,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59695
[10:30] <Iulian> G'morning
[10:48] <hggdh> g'morning Iulian
[12:47] <ffm_> Wouldn't #222496 be an invalid bug, or converted to a question?
[12:48] <jeromeg> bug #222496
[12:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 222496 in update-manager "Please allow upgrade from local ISP archives" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/222496
[12:48] <ffm_> jeromeg, They want their ISP's repos to be added to the mirror list. I pointed them to the "register a mirror" page.
[12:49] <jeromeg> this is definately not a bug with update manager
[12:50] <jeromeg> so the bug task can be closed
[12:53] <ffm_> jeromeg, I converted it to a question.
[12:53] <jeromeg> ffm_: cool
[12:54] <ffm_> Worlds most descriptive bug: bug 22498.
[12:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 22498 in linux-source-2.6.15 "skge driver doesn't handle setting hardware address immediately after being upped" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22498
[12:54] <ffm_> *bug 222498
[12:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 222498 in ubuntu "Save as" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/222498
[12:55] <jeromeg> ffm_: :)
[12:56] <jeromeg> ffm_: don't forget to set the bug status when triaging
[12:56] <jeromeg> I moved the bug as incomplete for you
[12:56] <ffm_> jeromeg, Just remembered.
[12:56] <ffm_> Oh?
[12:56] <ffm_> jeromeg, Ah, I see.
[12:57] <jeromeg> ffm_: i think it's also always nice to say something like "Thank you for your bug report." at the beginning
[12:57] <ffm_> jeromeg, Will do. I've not done a lot of this before.
[12:57] <jeromeg> ffm_: no problem, it's just a little advice to improve ;)
[13:58] <ffm_> Can someone (other than me) confirm bug #222525 for me?
[13:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 222525 in nautilus "Cannot modify removable media mountpoint when unmounted" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/222525
[14:28] <Jazzva> bdmurray: ping
[14:35] <hggdh> ffm_: what exactly did you do on the removable device?
[14:38] <calc> catching up with bugmail takes forever :\
[14:38]  * calc has 125+ left to go through
[14:41] <bddebian> Boo
[14:41]  * calc gets about 4-5 new bugs a day plus old bug updates
[15:42] <Stomp442> Anyone willing to help me out with some issues with AWN and/or Emerald?
[15:54] <ofh> hello
[15:54] <ofh> :-D
[16:46] <danage> so in the hardy final, there is a firefox that crashes on every second or so page with flash and sound that you open
[16:49] <Nafallo> danage: can't reproduce that. do you have libflashsupport installed?
[16:50] <Nigromante> hello
[16:51] <danage> i do.
[16:52] <Nigromante> i want to know if anyone is having problems with panel positions in gnome. Thay change randomly between logins in 8.04 (i want them on low position, both) This didnt happen in gutsy
[16:53] <danage> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/192888
[16:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192888 in pulseaudio "firefox crashes on flash contents when using libflashsupport" [High,In progress]
[16:56] <Nafallo> danage: can you reproduce if you uninstall that package?
[16:56] <danage> libflashsupport?
[16:58] <Nafallo> yes
[16:58] <danage> will try and report back
[17:30] <fkbreitl> Hello, I found a suspend to RAM problem for HP nc6120 laptops. I filed this bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/222561 . I would appreciate any support.
[17:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 222561 in ubuntu "Suspend to ram occasionally not resuming on HP nc6120 with Ubuntu 8.04" [Undecided,New]
[17:39]  * yuriy wonders whether to consider bug 222141 a bug
[17:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 222141 in kdepim "Color of Items changed after upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/222141
[18:32] <h00k> Hm, I have a bug to fill a report for, I can't seem to find any  duplicates.  What's the best way to go about that?  I believe it's in the kernel
[18:35] <MightyTweek> h00k: are you asking the best way to report the bug or to search for duplicates?
[18:36] <h00k> MightyTweek: I guess the best way to report a bug, I got a bunch of useful debug info
[18:37] <h00k> MightyTweek: but found nothing too similar, I think it's new
[18:38] <MightyTweek> Check out this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[18:38] <h00k> yeah, I am just looking ther enow
[18:39] <greg-g> h00k: and you can practically never give too much information
[18:39] <h00k> greg-g: okay.  Cool.
[18:39] <h00k> Im reporting it now :)
[18:40] <greg-g> h00k: good deal
[18:47] <h00k> greg-g, MightyTweek: thanks, that was pretty painless
[18:48] <MightyTweek> no problem
[19:29] <ffm_> hggdh, I changed the mount point from the default (empty, auto-genereated) to "/media/wd0" (which is invalid, it should be "wd0" as / isn't allowed in drive mount names)
[21:08] <hggdh> secretlondon: cheers
[21:08] <secretlondon> hggdh: is that useful?
[21:08] <secretlondon> i've set one to 60 and will try rebooting
[21:08] <hggdh> secretlondon: yes. methinks this is a race on buildup of the gnome session
[21:10] <hggdh> and, perhaps, I do not get hit because I have two CPUs. Perhaps. I posit that almost all that were hit have one single CPU. I wonder if I am correct
[21:14] <secretlondon> I don't have a multi cpu machine to test on
[21:16] <hggdh> secretlondon: that's OK. But -- if you do not get hit by it after upping the order, then that is already good results...
[21:16] <hggdh> you might need to up both of the entries
[23:24] <macabro22> Hello
[23:24] <secretlondon> hi
[23:25] <macabro22> I am trying to update my distribution and I got a message saying update manager found an unresolvable error and I should file a bug against it and attach a log file from /var/log/dist-upgrade
[23:25] <macabro22> can you guys help me out?
[23:27] <ffm> macabro22, try #ubuntu
[23:28] <macabro22> ok
[23:29] <gor1> which is very (++very) busy right now, so u gonna need a little patience, but someone might have same problem as u u see:)
[23:29] <ffm> Hey, I'm new to triaging, and am wondering what to do with bug #222498.
[23:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 222498 in ubuntu "Save as" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/222498
[23:30] <dsas> eh macabro22, if you've come to report a bug then we can help you with that, if you've come to find a workaround/solution then yes #ubuntu is the best place for that.
[23:30] <secretlondon> macabro22, one issue is that if you have random stuff in your sources.list then upgrading will probably fail
[23:30] <macabro22> dsas: I would like to file a bug, thats all.
[23:31] <ffm> macabro22, feel free to.
[23:31] <macabro22> ffm: I am new to this. So I heard I have to find out if the bug has already been filed first. How do I do that?
[23:32] <secretlondon> you file bugs on launchpad, the form will search to see if there are similar bugs
[23:33] <dsas> macabro22: You can browse https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bugs (though there's a fair few to browse through) or just try to file a bug and see if it finds any (https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+filebug)
[23:33] <secretlondon> ffm it needs moving to openoffice from ubuntu
[23:34] <secretlondon> as they can select a new desktop it's not a computer freeze, or even x
[23:35] <macabro22> ffm: can I find out whether it has already been filed by looking at that /var/log/dist-upgrade log file?
[23:35] <secretlondon> macabro22, not easily
[23:36] <secretlondon> it's the error that's interesting anyway
[23:39] <macabro22> secretlondon: the update crashes in the beginning, right after reading the release notes. The log file displays a bunch of errors relating to the OOffice.org package
[23:40] <macabro22> That confounds me. I am not sure if I should file a bug against the update-manager or against the openoffice package
[23:46] <secretlondon> macabro22, file it on update manager, and if it is openoffice then someone will move
[23:46] <secretlondon> I can't do a lot without the message anyway