[00:07] <Jazzva> Removed old lists from the FF3Extensions... just to clean-up a bit :).
[00:08] <asac> great
[00:09] <gnomefreak> testing connection
[00:11] <asac> gnomefreak: you are here ;)
[00:11] <gnomefreak> maybe for a while
[00:11] <gnomefreak> i think it was me
[00:12] <gnomefreak> no loliung either
[00:12] <gnomefreak> these damn wall adaptors
[00:12] <gnomefreak> brb smoke while im on hold
[00:15] <gnomefreak> ha fuck them its not me
[00:19] <gnomefreak> ok he said should be fixed
[00:34] <Jazzva> Not gonna have Internet access on Sunday and Monday... Forgot to pay it for the next month, and it's Easter, so nothing is working. Why can't they make automated on-line paying system...
[01:34] <fta> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=407211#c10
[01:34] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 407211 in Administration "Update service needs tests to verify processing of AppOs" [Normal,Assigned]
[01:48] <Jazzva> jetsaredim suggested that Mozilla Extensions team needs an icon. I'll set up a temporary wiki page for the icon suggestions, how should it represent the team, ... , and leave a notice on the team's page. Sounds good? :)
[01:49] <fta> yep
[01:52] <fta> http://mindforks.blogspot.com/2008/04/firebug-12-alpha-on-ff3.html
[02:02] <Jazzva> What's the one we have? Ubuntu version is 1.2~b21+svn..., is that 1.2.0a21 or something else?
[02:03] <Jazzva> And can Mozilla Extensions use some of Mozilla logos? Just to put a notice, if it can't.
[02:04] <fta> donno, ask [reed] :)
[02:04] <Jazzva> [reed]: ^^ :)
[02:04] <Volans> Jazzva: for the logo I have an idea... the mozillateam logo (firefox logo) with the puzzle logo of extensions that is in the addon window in firefox
[02:05] <Volans> if you wait 10 minutes I can made a draft version
[02:05] <Jazzva> Volans: Of the logo? :)
[02:05] <Volans> yes
[02:06] <Jazzva> Sure, just put it on wiki page :).
[02:08] <Volans> you think I can use the FF extension logo or is better a GPL alternative?
[02:09] <Jazzva> Dunno ... http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/trademarks/policy.html and http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/trademarks/faq.html were not helpful...
[02:09] <Volans> but here https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam .... ?
[02:10] <Jazzva> FF and TB and stuff are official Mozilla products, most of the extensions aren't. Maybe we should wait for [reed], asac, ...
[02:12] <Jazzva> Initial version: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Extensions/Logo
[02:12] <gnomefreak> hold that thought
[02:14] <gnomefreak> someone changed the logo iirc
[02:14] <Jazzva> the logo?
[02:14] <gnomefreak> i dont htink i have the source anymore though
[02:14] <gnomefreak> mozillateam logo
[02:15] <gnomefreak> that isnt official logo
[02:15] <Jazzva> it's still a default ff logo.
[02:15] <gnomefreak> yeah i think it is :(
[02:15] <gnomefreak> i swore hjmf or alex made it
[02:15] <Jazzva> I think it's just an older version (see the difference in FF3 "About" logo, and on the mt page
[02:16] <gnomefreak> we had a meeting and we decided on a logo and they sent me the source
[02:16] <gnomefreak> i had logos that were unofficial still do i think :)
[02:16] <Jazzva> It would be great if you could find them :)
[02:16] <gnomefreak> looking
[02:17] <gnomefreak> yep still have ff and tb logos that were experimental
[02:18] <gnomefreak> if you give me your lp page ill email them to you
[02:18] <Jazzva> jazzva@gmail :)
[02:18] <gnomefreak> k
[02:20] <gnomefreak> sent
[02:21] <Jazzva> Thanks. I'll post to the wiki as logos that can be used :)
[02:21] <Jazzva> brb phone
[02:22] <gnomefreak> np :)
[02:22] <gnomefreak> we dfont package this? QuickRestart add on
[02:23] <gnomefreak> dont*
[02:24] <Jazzva> I don't think we have it
[02:26]  * jetsaredim just catching up - what did i miss other than a new team being formed?
[02:28] <Jazzva> jetsaredim: Well, the new extension maintaining process is currently being discussed, and I think that's mostly it. Bugsquashing and the usual going on... Oh, and there's a page for the logo of the new team ;).
[02:28] <Jazzva> Changed the team's page.
[02:28] <gnomefreak> is ther ea list of mozilla mailing lists somewhere there are a few maybe 10 i need
[02:30] <Volans> Jazzva: pvt link if you want to see want I was meaning above ;)
[02:30] <gnomefreak> think i found them
[02:33] <Volans> strange thing here: https://addons.mozilla.org/it/firefox/ the "puzzle" logo is 90° rotated in respect to the favicon and much less rounded
[02:36] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: Are we free to use those? :)
[02:36] <gnomefreak> yes
[02:36] <gnomefreak> check with asac they are not from mozilla (atleast i didnt get them from them
[02:37] <Jazzva> I haven't seen them before, I'm sure they're not from mozilla :)
[02:38] <Volans> maybe from here? http://iconpacks.mozdev.org/
[02:39] <gnomefreak> no they were on one of the theme sites
[02:39] <gnomefreak> gnome-looks or the other gnome one
[02:40] <gnomefreak> looks at link
[02:40] <gnomefreak> i see them here
[02:41] <gnomefreak> my pack did have yellow ones too but yuck
[02:43] <gnomefreak> Guidance: To the extent that a project creates new, copyright works of authorship, the copyrights to that new work will be owned by the contributors to the project by operation of law. As an open source project, the code is made available by the project owner and other contributors pursuant to an open source license.
[02:43] <gnomefreak> http://www.mozdev.org/copyright.html
[02:44] <gnomefreak> and now alot more mailing lists
[02:51] <Volans> gnomefreak: you or Jazzva will publish these usable log on the wiki page?
[02:51] <Jazzva> Volans, sorry... I will in few minutes.
[02:51] <Volans> no problem just to say :)
[02:52] <gnomefreak> Volans: yes but i think checking with asac first is best idea but what i read sounded good to me
[02:52] <Volans> I have found a "puzzle" svg icon under GFDL good for my idea of the logo
[02:52] <Jazzva> Volans, 3/4 posted
[02:53] <Volans> and you call these firefox logos??? aaargh
[02:53] <Jazzva> ;)
[02:53] <Volans> unwatchable :)
[02:59] <Jazzva> Volans, I suppose you can submit those icons on wiki page for now and we'll see if they're ok later... They'll easily be removed if they violate the policy.
[03:00] <Volans> ok, I'll find some minutes if I found somethingbetter
[03:01] <Volans> then the mozillateam logo is not correct?
[03:01] <Volans> due to mozilla policies?
[03:02] <Jazzva> Volans, I'm not sure as FF and TB are Mozilla products...
[03:02] <Jazzva> We would need someone more competent on the issue :).
[03:03] <Volans> ok, but I see in wikipedia that also they do not have a real firefox logo
[03:03] <Volans> see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:User_browser:Firefox/Archive_1#Which_image.3F
[03:03] <Volans> i'm usig that one, I think is simpler but better in respect to that of the wiki page
[03:05] <gnomefreak> use a mix of icewesle and ff icons
[03:05] <gnomefreak> if you can get svg for them
[03:06] <gnomefreak> i am thinking about getting a meeting together for mozillateam we can add this to ageda if i ever get there
[03:07] <Volans> gnomefreak: these ones? http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immagine:Iceweasel.png
[03:07] <gnomefreak> maybe instead of the globe they have put yours in there
[03:08] <gnomefreak> mozilla cant bitch and neither can debian
[03:08] <Volans> remember that the logo is also in 14x14px version... there isn't much space to make something complex ;)
[03:08]  * gnomefreak doesnt do svg's yet
[03:08] <Volans> the first yes
[03:09] <Volans> see at the bottom
[03:09] <gnomefreak> yeah i was thinking another view of globe but it works as well
[03:09] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm
[03:11] <gnomefreak> make the wiki with all options that you can find and toorrow or when everyone is around next we can come up with one im sure :)
[03:11] <Jazzva> Agree :)...
[03:11] <gnomefreak> what one does debian use?
[03:11] <Jazzva> Iceweasel, I think...
[03:11] <gnomefreak> im thinking a mix of them since the team is just that its a mix of extensions
[03:12] <gnomefreak> or see what icons they have for "most popular" extension
[03:12] <Jazzva> But not overstuffed... :)
[03:12] <Jazzva> and as long as it's legal to use them :)...
[03:12] <Volans> Jazzva: I have to attache to the wiki only the three version or also the svg?
[03:13] <Jazzva> three version?
[03:13] <gnomefreak> personally i like the iceweasle one but using it will have people guesing on what we are doing to seperate ourselves and alot of gossip IMHO
[03:13] <Volans>  14x14, 64x64 (<=50KB) and 192x192(<=100KB) logos
[03:13] <Jazzva> Just attach the svg :). It will be easily adjusted if needed.
[03:16] <Volans> but in this way there isn't the preview on the wiki page... svg are not shown
[03:16] <Jazzva> A suggestion ... maybe we could migrate extensions-related stuff under the MozillaTeam/Extensions/, when we start the wiki clean-up. But, we can discuss that tomorrow, when more people are around...
[03:17] <Jazzva> Volans: Hmm, then use the png/gif/jpg/whatever_is_supported...
[03:17] <gnomefreak> if someone wants to make the mozilla-extensions-dev wiki feel free to so i can get started on other things like the other 33 things on my to-do-list
[03:18] <Volans> my question because I remebered this page: https://help.launchpad.net/logo/submissions ;)
[03:18] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: I'll go around MozillaTeam wiki, and look for stuff tomorrow... Will be going to bed soon.
[03:19] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: thank you im heading to bed soon too i hope just want to get started ont he 8 chroots
[03:20] <Jazzva> Volans: Maybe provide all three... 14x14 ones can get unrecognizable, so it's good to notice at the beginning :).
[03:20] <Volans> ok
[03:20] <Volans> thanks
[03:21] <Jazzva> No problem...
[03:21] <gnomefreak> how long until dapper EOS?
[03:21] <Jazzva> !info dapper
[03:21] <ubotu> Package dapper does not exist in hardy
[03:21] <Jazzva> !dapper
[03:21] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) was the fourth release of Ubuntu. See !lts for more details.
[03:21] <Jazzva> heh
[03:21] <gnomefreak> !lts
[03:21] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[03:22] <gnomefreak> nect year
[03:22] <gnomefreak> next*
[03:34] <Jazzva> Removing those FF/TB icons from wiki... If we post them, we might post any other FF/TB work too, so it's a bit unfair to the rest of the icons :). I will add some more info to the wiki page (legal stuff, ...).
[03:35] <Volans> ok, I have see your lock
[03:35] <Volans> on the page
[03:35] <Jazzva> and just bumped on this ... Nice :) http://www.flickr.com/photos/20995805@N05/2436225528/
[03:36] <Volans> nice
[03:36] <gnomefreak> that is sweet
[03:37] <gnomefreak> ok im gone i started 4 chroots for now
[03:38] <gnomefreak> maybe be back but i doubt it until weekend or monday
[03:39] <Jazzva> Ok, done...
[03:40] <Jazzva> off to bed, see you later...
[03:40] <Volans> ok bye bye, I will publish in 2 minutes ;)
[03:40] <Jazzva> Great :)
[03:41] <Jazzva> Oh, I forgot :)... Add your LP/IRC/... nickname/contact with the submission :)
[03:41] <Volans> of course
[03:41] <Volans> i add in the example
[03:41] <Volans> maybe
[03:41] <Jazzva> Sure :)
[03:41] <Volans> == NameSurname proposal ==
[03:41] <Volans> ?
[03:42] <Volans> or omething like this
[03:42] <Jazzva> Not sure if we need the full name ... maybe just use "Contact proposal"
[03:42] <Volans> ok
[03:47] <Volans> Jazzva: GPL icon + GFDL icon = ??? icon ?
[03:47] <Volans> maybe GPL?
[03:47] <Volans> :)
[03:48] <Jazzva> Not good on licenses. Maybe mention that some parts are licensed under GPL, and some under GFDL. And wait until someone with more experience comes around :).
[03:49] <Volans> ok
[03:55] <Volans> Jazzva:  done :)
[03:55] <Volans> the small one is not so good...
[03:55] <Volans> maybe tomorrow I can make a better version
[03:55] <Jazzva> Looks nice :)...
[03:55] <Volans> is the simplest one
[03:56] <Jazzva> Well, continuing this tomorrow :)... Good night...
[03:56] <Volans> now I can really go to sleep
[03:56] <Volans> good night too
[04:46] <[reed]> Jazzva: what's the question?
[12:29] <Jazzva> [reed]: Is it OK to use any of Mozilla logos for Mozilla Extensions team logo, or their mix, such as Firefox+Puzzle logo?
[12:37] <Jazzva> asac: ping
[12:47] <Volans> Jazzva: I have made some more experiment on the logo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Extensions/Logo ;)
[12:49] <Jazzva> Volans: Great :)...
[12:50] <Jazzva> I'm still waiting for the answer on legal question. So, we'll see soon.
[12:50] <Volans> there are surely free, I'm not sure undet what license... but GPL + GFDP surely is != mozilla copyright
[12:51] <Jazzva> Ok. I was more thinking about the Mozilla logos and if it's ok to use them.
[12:52] <Volans> Oh if we can use the original one can be surely better, having an SVG of the firefox logo, I can remake the ones in the wiki page with the official logo in some minutes
[12:59] <fta> i like Proposal 2, but all tiny logos are unreadable
[13:00] <Jazzva> I was thinking that maybe only a puzzle logo could be used for 14px. Just a suggestion :)
[13:01] <Volans> thanks fta, maybe the proposal 3 have the better 14px logo...
[13:01] <Volans> jes Jazzva can be a possibility
[13:01] <Volans> maybe with a simple circle blue or orange in the center
[13:02] <Volans> Jazzva: you know id there is some other LP team using the puzzle logo?
[13:02] <Volans> or a smart way to search ;)
[13:02] <Jazzva> Volans: Not sure...
[13:03] <Jazzva> Damn that "List all teams" skips showing logos
[13:04] <Volans> LOL
[13:11]  * Volans go to launch... see you later
[13:38] <Jazzva> asac_, here?
[14:16]  * Volans is back
[14:38] <Volans> Jazzva: just added your suggestion to the wiki along with the puzzle only icon for 14x14px size
[14:39] <Jazzva> Looks ok :)
[14:39] <Volans> probably 14x14 is too small for a sovrapposition of two different logos
[14:40] <Jazzva> Looks like it is...
[14:40] <Volans> better only one if enough representative of the team
[14:40] <Jazzva> but let's wait for the others :)
[14:41] <Volans> of course, I've done my 2 cent, now is turn for other, only waiting news for official logos
[14:41] <Jazzva> Mhm...
[14:47] <Volans> you have some doubt Jazzva? :)
[14:47] <Jazzva> Volans: No...
[14:48] <Jazzva> Only about Mozilla policy :).
[14:48] <Volans> with my very short experience packaging my extension I have see an ocean of ambiguity in free licenses...
[14:51] <Volans> and I love much this blog post that dktrkranz has given to me http://blog.ganneff.de/blog/2008/03/22/write-a-new-license-every-day.html ;)
[14:52] <Jazzva> The guy made a point :)
[16:09] <gnomefreak> damn its quiet
[16:27] <Volans> I have to go, maybe come back later or tomorrow
[16:27] <Volans> bye bye :)
[16:39] <gnomefreak> im going to cut grass in a minute i should be gone most of afternoon with yardwork
[16:42] <gnomefreak> hi jen
[16:52] <Jazzva> gnomfreak: Found some pages that would be moved to MozillaTeam/Extensions, if that's ok... I'll wait for the upcoming meeting, so we can discuss it... or whenever when there are more folks around :)
[16:52] <Jazzva> s/would/should/
[16:52] <armin76> Jazzva: hi, whats up with the alignment stuff?
[16:53] <Jazzva> armin76: Just a second, to find the bug.
[16:54] <Jazzva> armin76: bug 161987
[16:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 161987 in firefox "Firefox Bus Error & Segfault on Sun Blade 100 (UltraSparc)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/161987
[16:55] <Jazzva> asac said you would know more if we have the patch for that, or if we need to apply the patch provided on mozilla bug 161826 (I think)...
[16:55] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 161826 in Layout: Fonts and Text "nsTextFrame::MeasureText()'s fast text measuring codepath crashes on RISC machines" [Critical,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161826
[16:56] <Jazzva> mozilla bug 289394 might also be related to this
[16:56] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 289394 in XSLT "Double.cpp causes unaligned accesses" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=289394
[16:56] <Jazzva> armin76: ^
[16:56] <armin76> hrm...
[16:56] <armin76> its been a long time..
[16:57] <armin76> let me see which patch works for me...
[16:57] <Jazzva> Ok, if that's not a problem for you... Thanks :)
[17:00] <armin76> Jazzva: yes, i'm using the patch i attached on the first bug
[17:00] <armin76> you apply another patch that is in that bug as well
[17:03] <Jazzva> armin76: And what is the name you use on b.m.o? :)
[17:03] <armin76> Raúl Porcel
[17:03] <armin76> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=294901 <- this one is the patch i'm using
[17:03] <Jazzva> Oh, ok. I was looking for Armin...
[17:04] <armin76> you are applying a different patch, but that shouldn't cause a bus error, though :/
[17:05] <Jazzva> afaics, the second patch looks like the first one + some other changes. So, that one should be applied?
[17:06] <armin76> yeah, but not sure if that will fix the issue the guy is having
[17:06] <armin76> i didn't use safemode, though
[17:07] <Jazzva> I know less then you. I'll report to asac what you said...
[17:07] <Jazzva> :)
[17:07] <Jazzva> We can at least ask the reporter to test the patched version...
[17:09]  * armin76 creates an ubuntu chroot
[17:23] <armin76> heh, didn't know ubuntu dropped sparc release
[17:23] <Jazzva> it did?
[17:23] <armin76> yup
[17:23] <Jazzva> wow...
[17:23] <armin76> now its only a port
[17:25] <armin76> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjM5MA
[17:25] <armin76> i wonder why they even compromised, just two years? ew
[17:27]  * Jazzva sighs...
[17:27] <Jazzva> They dropped PPC arch too...
[17:28] <armin76> but thats since 7.04
[17:28] <Jazzva> yep...
[17:33] <armin76> The PowerPC and SPARC architectures no longer receive commercial support from Canonical for new releases of Ubuntu (PowerPC as of 7.04, SPARC as of 8.04), and accordingly these architectures have been moved to ports.ubuntu.com. Users of these architectures should take care to update /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:33] <armin76> lol :D
[17:34] <armin76> guess nobody used commercial support for those arches :)
[17:34] <Jazzva> :)
[17:35] <Jazzva> Since there's not much around, I'll start working on my first project for this semester. I need to write a functional assembler :). Sounds really good to me
[17:43] <armin76> Jazzva: uh, interesting
[17:43] <armin76> got a bus error, using an ubuntu chroot, gutsy
[17:43] <Jazzva> Hmm, suppose that doesn't fix the bug and is not related to the reported mozilla bug :/
[17:44] <armin76> eh? why not?
[17:44] <Jazzva> well, doesn't fix the whole bug... maybe it should be split to two bugs
[17:44] <Jazzva> Fixes the crashing, but not the bus bug :). That's what I meant...
[17:45] <Jazzva> (then again, I have no clue why the bus error happens)
[17:45] <mib_sngj4x> lolz
[17:46]  * mib_sngj4x waves
[17:46] <Jazzva> Hello ...
[17:46] <mib_sngj4x> Jazzva: well, that sucks then :/
[17:46] <Jazzva> Huh?
[17:46] <mib_sngj4x> as you see, it doesn't segfault here, so maybe the patch needs to be updated, yep
[17:47] <Jazzva> Ahh... armin76 :)
[17:47] <mib_sngj4x> yup
[17:47] <mib_sngj4x> and the bus error looks like the same i had if i didn't apply the patch, takes a bit to give the bus error
[17:47] <mib_sngj4x> 30 seconds or so
[17:48] <Jazzva> Aham. Do you know what's wrong?
[17:49] <armin76> dunno, i can provide a backtrace, is it built with debug symbols or something?
[17:49] <armin76> i don't know ubuntu stuff
[17:49] <Jazzva> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs#head-c576e78d92cb3c959c271158b6ace98be835de83
[17:50] <Jazzva> I think that firefox-dbg should be replaced with firefox-2-dbg, since that's the new package name
[17:52] <armin76> E: Couldn't find package libcairo2-dbg
[17:54] <armin76> where is libcairo2-dbg? multiverse or something?
[17:54] <Jazzva> Maybe it doesn't exist :/... Checking
[17:54] <Jazzva> libcairo2-dbg is in main
[17:54] <Jazzva> so far, Architecture: i386
[17:55] <Jazzva> not a good sign
[17:56] <Jazzva> looks like it's only for amd64, i386
[17:57] <armin76> okay, i'll skip it meanwhile
[17:57] <Jazzva> ok
[18:00] <armin76> okay, i have the bt
[18:00] <Jazzva> great, can you attach it to the bug report?
[18:00] <armin76> http://rafb.net/p/P9F3ur65.html
[18:00] <armin76> you do it :P
[18:00] <Jazzva> Oh, not registered :)
[18:00] <Jazzva> Thans a lot for this :)
[18:02] <armin76> i think i am registered, but you do it :P
[18:03] <armin76> so yeah, seems like its because of the patch
[18:03] <armin76> i never used that one, so i can't say
[18:04] <Jazzva> Attached bt
[18:04] <Jazzva> Thanks for the help :)..
[18:05] <armin76> np
[22:42] <[reed]> Jazzva: you can probably use the puzzle piece
[22:43] <Jazzva> [reed], thanks for the answer :). Official puzzle piece, or the one at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Extensions/Logo ?
[22:44] <[reed]> pretty sure you can use the official one... it's not trademarked, afaik
[22:44] <[reed]> I will confirm that, though
[22:45] <Jazzva> Ok, thanks...
[23:16] <rzr> Jazzva: hi thx for adding me to the team
[23:16] <Jazzva> rzr: No problem. Welcome to the team :)...
[23:16] <rzr> yes the green puzzle piece is a brand everyone know now
[23:18] <rzr> the puzzle piece has been turned isnt it ?
[23:18] <Jazzva> turned?
[23:18]  * rzr is running iceweasel  tough
[23:19] <rzr> flipped vertically
[23:19] <Jazzva> oh, I don't know. The pins are pointing left and up in ff
[23:19] <Jazzva> Although, the one Volans used is also used in instantbird (go to www.instantbird.com -> addons)
[23:21] <rzr> who that's not important :)
[23:21] <Jazzva> I just thought they would also check if it's legal :).
[23:21]  * rzr liked the early "sovietic design" of mozilla
[23:21] <Jazzva> heh :)... mozzila.org/party
[23:23] <rzr> http://www.mozilla.org/party/1998/mozilla.gif
[23:24] <Jazzva> a little more eu-like ... http://www.mozilla.org/images/mozilla10th.png
[23:24] <rzr> yea it sucks
[23:25] <Jazzva> heh :)
[23:25] <rzr> http://web.archive.org/web/19981212031129/www.mozilla.org/
[23:26] <rzr> when did jwz left mozilla ?
[23:26] <rzr> 2000 ?
[23:26] <[reed]> rzr: why would you want to use iceweasel? ew
[23:26] <Jazzva> Dunno...
[23:27] <rzr> i run debian
[23:27] <rzr> i have a tvout issue with latest xorg
[23:28] <rzr> once its fixed i'll probally switch
[23:52] <Sergeant_Pony> much better