smallfoot- | there is a bug that make pink shadows, you know it? | 00:21 |
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smallfoot- | its for ppl with nvidia geforce card | 00:21 |
smallfoot- | you can fix it with this: "sudo ln -sf /usr/lib/nvidia/libwfb.so.xserver-xorg-core /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libwfb.so" | 00:21 |
smallfoot- | plz fix upstream | 00:21 |
smallfoot- | plz make so thumb mouse button in my mouse work for move back/forward in nautilus and firefox | 00:27 |
crimsun | please file bugs using https://launchpad.net | 00:29 |
smallfoot- | i did | 00:29 |
smallfoot- | but they dont listen to me :( | 00:29 |
smallfoot- | i made it in 7.10 and now i use 8.04 but it still not have that :( | 00:29 |
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superm1 | slangasek, you can nuke mythbuntu-control-centre 0.28-0ubuntu1 from hardy proposed. i meant to upload 0.28-0ubuntu1~hardy1 (which I just did) | 02:41 |
superm1 | sorry for the mistake | 02:41 |
wgrant | superm1: That's not valid -proposed versioning... | 02:45 |
superm1 | wgrant, its the sort of thing that was agreed on from what i understand until intrepid opens | 02:46 |
superm1 | because 0.28-0ubuntu1 isn't in intrepid yet, but will be | 02:47 |
wgrant | That's backports versioning. | 02:47 |
wgrant | 0.28-0ubuntu0.1 would be more right. | 02:47 |
superm1 | well jdong acked the bug for laga, so i was just doing my part to get it in... | 02:48 |
wgrant | Hmmm. | 02:48 |
* persia advocates the creation of a guide answering the question "How do I select the next revision string" in the wiki | 02:49 | |
superm1 | there is always this kind of confusion in between dev cycles | 02:49 |
superm1 | or similar | 02:50 |
persia | I don't think the revision code strings should be different between cycles from during cycles. | 02:50 |
wgrant | If it's aimed for -proposed, surely -backports versioning is very wrong? | 03:00 |
persia | If nothing else, it makes it difficult to backport | 03:00 |
wgrant | And confuses people. | 03:01 |
persia | True. Confuses all of developers, archive admins, testers, and end-users. | 03:02 |
LaserJock | I was just reading the SRU policy this evening | 03:08 |
LaserJock | and it says to use -security versioning | 03:08 |
LaserJock | i.e. section 4 of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityUpdateProcedures#Prepare | 03:09 |
persia | We definitely need a definitive guide to specify appropriate versioning for all of backports, updates, and security. | 03:09 |
LaserJock | I think backports versioning is also on a wiki page | 03:09 |
LaserJock | but yes, it takes a lot of clicks to find anything | 03:10 |
LaserJock | and it's not used consistently | 03:10 |
persia | It's the last that is the issue. | 03:10 |
wgrant | It's used consistently except by GNOME people. | 03:10 |
wgrant | Which then confuses everyone else into using braindead versioning, I guess. | 03:10 |
persia | wgrant: That's not fair. mythbuntu-control-centre isn't GNOME. | 03:10 |
LaserJock | I was unaware of it until this evening | 03:11 |
LaserJock | so I imagine other people are confused ;-) | 03:11 |
wgrant | persia: I meant they were 'everyone else' | 03:11 |
LaserJock | this would go well with my idea of cheatsheet pages for developers | 03:11 |
wgrant | It would. | 03:11 |
persia | Ah. Yes. Still, be nice to have something on the wiki. I couldn't find anything yesterday. | 03:11 |
jdong | wgrant: sorry for the confusion; I thought -proposed could take on backports-style versioning for new-upstream-version SRUs | 03:20 |
jdong | but either way, use whatever versioning scheme everyone is comfortable with | 03:20 |
wgrant | I don't see why that versioning should be any more special than normal SRU versioning. | 03:21 |
jdong | either way would work for this package. | 03:22 |
jdong | IMO 0ubuntu0.1 for when the "old" packaging was used for the new version, "0ubuntu1~hardy1" for when intrepid-like packaging was used for the hardy package | 03:23 |
jdong | in this case both scenarios are equivalent | 03:23 |
wgrant | But 9:1.2.3+really1.4.5~8.7-3.7etch1lenny2+7.4ubuntu9.8~hardy1 is a valid version as well, but it would never be used, both because it's stupid, and it's not convention. | 03:24 |
wgrant | We have version conventions, although we probably can't enforce them if our GNOME maintainers don't follow them :( | 03:24 |
wgrant | ALl security, release and backports uploads follow them; why shouldn't updates? | 03:25 |
jdong | don't get me wrong, 0ubuntu0.1 is completely fine by me | 03:26 |
jdong | and if we do have version conventions, they sure aren't documented all that well | 03:27 |
jdong | we definitely have had -updates using ~gutsy/~hardy syntax | 03:27 |
wgrant | -security is clearly documented on SecurityUpdateProcedure, -backports must be somewhere, and release everybody knows. | 03:27 |
wgrant | I see one instance of a ~gutsyX in gutsy-updates. | 03:29 |
wgrant | And that's because it was copied from -backports. | 03:30 |
a7x | would someone be willing to review a patch for me? it's a simple shell script change for compiz. (LP: #221661) | 04:41 |
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jc-denton | hi all | 10:43 |
jc-denton | is there a way to install gcc-2.95 on hardy | 10:43 |
jc-denton | there is no package | 10:43 |
jc-denton | and i tried to compile it, but it fails | 10:43 |
jc-denton | http://rafb.net/p/cYgq3p98.html | 10:44 |
fela | I don't really understand when /var/lib/apt/extended_states is used... I tried to uninstall and install the same program with apt-get, adept, synaptic, aptitude, but in no case it seems to show up in that file... | 11:30 |
fela | (I'm still using feisty) | 11:37 |
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emgent | heya | 13:35 |
LotsaCabo | Anyone have a good How-To on getting started with Mono on Ubuntu 8? | 14:30 |
Hobbsee | LotsaCabo: #ubuntu for support. or perhaps ##mono | 14:31 |
rc55 | Hi - is there a channel for anyone interested in packaging? | 14:51 |
ion_ | rc55: #ubuntu-motu | 14:51 |
rc55 | ion_: thank you | 14:52 |
daedra | hardy just crashed, is there a way to get a log of it and submit it? | 14:52 |
ion_ | Can you be more specific about what crashed? | 14:52 |
daedra | well I couldn't tell | 14:53 |
daedra | I was in openoffice, and then everything froze | 14:53 |
daedra | so I tried doing SysReq keys | 14:54 |
daedra | managed to reboot it, but I don't know where to get an error log from my system | 14:55 |
InforMed | Hi! Why hardy change from ipw driver to iwl? | 14:56 |
daedra | just what can you do when the whole system hangs? | 14:57 |
InforMed | Is there a way to go back to ipw? | 14:57 |
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ffm | If a package was removed from the repos, but packages that depend on that package are still there, how do I ask that those packages be removed as well as they are not installable? | 17:59 |
ffm | Example: sugar-write-activity depends on python-abiword but is not installable. | 18:00 |
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geser | ffm: can't sugar-write-activity be fixed to work without python-abiword? | 18:12 |
ffm | geser, No. | 18:13 |
ffm | geser, sugar-write-activity is built using abiword. | 18:13 |
ffm | geser, unless its functionality can be mimicked by another package. | 18:14 |
geser | then file a bug request asking for its removal | 18:14 |
geser | and give a rationale for why it should be removed and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors | 18:15 |
geser | but this won't be fixed in hardy anymore only intrepid | 18:15 |
ffm | geser, can't it be fixed for 8.04.1? | 18:16 |
bbrazil | I've an odd suspicion that the -16 hardy kernel is FTBFS | 18:16 |
bbrazil | but don't currently have the compute resources to spare to verify it | 18:17 |
geser | bbrazil: linux 2.6.24-16.30 build successfully (but I don't if it's still the case) | 18:19 |
bbrazil | hmm, I'm on that revision but doing other crazy stuff with it, so probably my fault then | 18:20 |
ffm | Is there any chance of us making use of ksplice? | 18:21 |
ffm | I'd be great to change from "Never reboot, except for kernel updates" to "Never need to reboot, _ever_" | 18:22 |
bbrazil | issue is that the xen patches include Kconfig.orig and Kconfig, and as I'm altering Kconfig 'patch' creates a Kconfig.orig and it goes downhill from there | 18:23 |
bbrazil | one bug coming up | 18:23 |
CrippledCanary | does anyone here now if it is possible to upload to universe or mulitverse in a PPA or is it just main? | 18:23 |
geser | CrippledCanary: iirc PPA doesn't distinguish between main and universe | 18:25 |
CrippledCanary | ok... thanks | 18:25 |
geser | for multiverse you need to check with the PPA terms | 18:26 |
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bbrazil | filed as #223175 for anyone who cares, with full repo | 18:41 |
salty-horse | hi. any xkb hackers around? | 18:48 |
salty-horse | bryce, maybe? | 18:48 |
pwnguin | i dont think anyone would ever describe themselves as xkb hackers | 18:52 |
salty-horse | pwnguin, I'm looking for someone who has a bit of authority to quell bugs like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/196277 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/xkeyboard-config/+bug/205314 from becoming "I can confirm this" floods -- and I have some preventative temporary solutions I'd like to propose/discuss. seems like the bugs themselves are a bad place to do it now | 18:53 |
ubotu | Launchpad bug 196277 in xorg "[hardy] keyboard layout switching shortcut doesn't work after reboot" [High,Confirmed] | 18:53 |
bryce | hi salty-horse | 18:58 |
bryce | "confirm storms" heh | 18:58 |
salty-horse | hi, are you the go-to guy on whatever I mentioned above? | 18:58 |
salty-horse | ;) | 18:58 |
bryce | yeah | 18:59 |
salty-horse | I think (after talking to svu) all of those are caused by https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4927 so: | 18:59 |
ubotu | Freedesktop bug 4927 in Input/Keyboard "XKM files do not keep the information regarding the explicit vmodmap mask" [Major,Reopened] | 18:59 |
salty-horse | 1) people around the community -- especially those in non-english speaking countries, should be notified that this is a known problem, or they would keep filing new bugs with different descriptions and confirm current bugs | 19:00 |
bryce | salty-horse: looking | 19:00 |
salty-horse | 2) I think (not really understanding things) that adding "setxkbmap" to /etc/profile will help the problem of "chaning layout doesn't work" -- (it doesn't fix the problem of several key combinations layout-changers not working such as "alt-alt"). I say this because going into the layout options gui, adding a 'v' and removing it works, and a no-parameter call to setxkbmap seems to do the same | 19:02 |
bryce | wow, the description in 196277 is rather obtuse... I like yours better | 19:03 |
salty-horse | 3) this is *very important* to non-english users, as pointed out in the bugs, and can be deduced by the sheer number of comments and dupes | 19:03 |
bryce | salty-horse: has a patch been identified? | 19:03 |
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salty-horse | bryce, better talk to svu about it -- he's afk at the moment | 19:04 |
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salty-horse | bryce, again, I am no expert at this. I'm just giving you a "sitrep" in the midst of a defcon-2 (...it sounds cooler in geopolitical thrillers) | 19:06 |
bryce | salty-horse: ok thanks | 19:07 |
salty-horse | thanks for looking at it!!! :) | 19:07 |
bryce | salty-horse: I'll put it on my watch list, and hopefully a patch will make itself known | 19:08 |
salty-horse | this bug has several manifestations | 19:08 |
salty-horse | I think the setxkbmap call fixes some of them. I think it's the solution that should be investigated first, before looking into patching xkb code "unofficially" | 19:09 |
salty-horse | s/solution/patchy hack/ | 19:09 |
bryce | salty-horse: hmm, upstream doesn't sound like they want to fix it (at least not quickly) | 19:15 |
salty-horse | yup. that's the problem :/ | 19:16 |
bryce | salty-horse: do you know what change caused the breakage? | 19:16 |
salty-horse | nope. please talk to svu for the info -- sorry for being such a dry well of information | 19:17 |
Lightkey | a salty horse, in my #ubuntu-devel? O_o | 19:17 |
salty-horse | Lightkey, err.. this is kinda awkward... so... | 19:18 |
Lightkey | you did not answer my query ;p | 19:19 |
salty-horse | bryce, a hint until you talk to svu: http://blogs.gnome.org/sudaltsov/2008/03/23/xkb-suxx-c/ | 19:19 |
salty-horse | Lightkey, someone pinged you on #scummvm | 19:19 |
zyx386 | hi | 19:21 |
zyx386 | what is about this bug in Hardy? 191889 | 19:22 |
salty-horse | bryce, you might want to merge the two bugs into one.. dupe one of them, maybe, and change the title to something more encompassing than "problem with shortcuts" | 19:25 |
bryce | yep, doing that | 19:25 |
salty-horse | thanks a bunch | 19:26 |
bryce | salty-horse: would you mind please looking through launchpad for other dupes and duping them to 196277? | 19:27 |
salty-horse | sure. I'll do that right after I finish dinner (15 minutes?) :) | 19:28 |
bryce | yeah I need to get breakfast myself... bbiab | 19:29 |
salty-horse | breakfast?! this time of night?! :) | 19:30 |
ubuntu__ | hello | 19:57 |
ubuntu__ | how is everybody? | 19:58 |
ubuntu__ | im looking to understand how and why the ubuntu developers choose some packages and features to be included | 19:59 |
ubuntu__ | does anybody can point me at some interesting blog, or a discussion about this | 20:00 |
ubuntu__ | im kind of more interested in the human factor, the psycology of that | 20:00 |
ffm | ubuntu__, Uh, packages are included becasue they have maintainers. | 20:01 |
ubuntu__ | and why some features in the blueprints get more attention that others? | 20:02 |
kmpa | Hello, I need some help | 20:03 |
nand | hi | 20:03 |
kmpa | HI | 20:04 |
kmpa | can u help me? | 20:04 |
nand | just ask your question :) | 20:04 |
kmpa | I want to share in the development of ubuntu, and I don't know how | 20:05 |
nand | kmpa: a good place to start: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate | 20:05 |
nand | there are lots of pointers to different teams | 20:05 |
nand | depend of what you want to do/what are your skills | 20:06 |
kmpa | ok, I think this is enough, thank you | 20:07 |
nand | you're welcome! | 20:07 |
nand | Ubuntu's own summer of code (slightly different): would it interest some of you as mentor? mentoree? : https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-own-summer-of-code | 20:11 |
* nand is doing a poll :) | 20:11 | |
ffm | nand, How about the GHOPC? | 20:16 |
ffm | nand, Ah, I see... | 20:17 |
ffm | nand, Do we get tshirts ;) | 20:17 |
nand | ffm: hehe, we could :) | 20:18 |
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Kopfgeldjaeger | n8 | 22:19 |
* Nitro is Away, Reason: ( sleep ) | Since: ( Sunday, April 27, 2008. 23:26:20 ) Xlack v2.1 | 22:37 | |
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Lightkey | http://timedoctor.org/2008/04/an-unfortunate-guide-to-upgrading-ubuntu/ | 22:55 |
mdke | is apport turned off now that hardy is stable? I just saw the same bug reported 6 times in quick succession via a failed hardy upgrade, each time on different packages | 23:33 |
mdke | bug 223324 if it matters | 23:34 |
ubotu | Launchpad bug 223324 in scrollkeeper "package gnome-user-guide 2.22.0+svn20080407ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: problemi con le dipendenze - lasciato non configurato" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/223324 | 23:34 |
mdke | oh dear, looking at the user's bug page, it looks a lot worse, there are tens of em | 23:36 |
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