/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/04/27/#ubuntu-devel.txt

smallfoot-there is a bug that make pink shadows, you know it?00:21
smallfoot-its for ppl with nvidia geforce card00:21
smallfoot-you can fix it with this: "sudo ln -sf /usr/lib/nvidia/libwfb.so.xserver-xorg-core /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libwfb.so"00:21
smallfoot-plz fix upstream00:21
smallfoot-plz make so thumb mouse button in my mouse work for move back/forward in nautilus and firefox00:27
crimsunplease file bugs using https://launchpad.net00:29
smallfoot-i did00:29
smallfoot-but they dont listen to me :(00:29
smallfoot-i made it in 7.10 and now i use 8.04 but it still not have that :(00:29
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superm1slangasek, you can nuke mythbuntu-control-centre 0.28-0ubuntu1 from hardy proposed.  i meant to upload 0.28-0ubuntu1~hardy1 (which I just did)02:41
superm1sorry for the mistake02:41
wgrantsuperm1: That's not valid -proposed versioning...02:45
superm1wgrant, its the sort of thing that was agreed on from what i understand until intrepid opens02:46
superm1because 0.28-0ubuntu1 isn't in intrepid yet, but will be02:47
wgrantThat's backports versioning.02:47
wgrant0.28-0ubuntu0.1 would be more right.02:47
superm1well jdong acked the bug for laga, so i was just doing my part to get it in...02:48
wgrantHmmm.02:48
* persia advocates the creation of a guide answering the question "How do I select the next revision string" in the wiki02:49
superm1there is always this kind of confusion in between dev cycles02:49
superm1or similar02:50
persiaI don't think the revision code strings should be different between cycles from during cycles.02:50
wgrantIf it's aimed for -proposed, surely -backports versioning is very wrong?03:00
persiaIf nothing else, it makes it difficult to backport03:00
wgrantAnd confuses people.03:01
persiaTrue.  Confuses all of developers, archive admins, testers, and end-users.03:02
LaserJockI was just reading the SRU policy this evening03:08
LaserJockand it says to use -security versioning03:08
LaserJocki.e. section 4 of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityUpdateProcedures#Prepare03:09
persiaWe definitely need a definitive guide to specify appropriate versioning for all of backports, updates, and security.03:09
LaserJockI think backports versioning is also on a wiki page03:09
LaserJockbut yes, it takes a lot of clicks to find anything03:10
LaserJockand it's not used consistently03:10
persiaIt's the last that is the issue.03:10
wgrantIt's used consistently except by GNOME people.03:10
wgrantWhich then confuses everyone else into using braindead versioning, I guess.03:10
persiawgrant: That's not fair.  mythbuntu-control-centre isn't GNOME.03:10
LaserJockI was unaware of it until this evening03:11
LaserJockso I imagine other people are confused ;-)03:11
wgrantpersia: I meant they were 'everyone else'03:11
LaserJockthis would go well with my idea of cheatsheet pages for developers03:11
wgrantIt would.03:11
persiaAh.  Yes.  Still, be nice to have something on the wiki.  I couldn't find anything yesterday.03:11
jdongwgrant: sorry for the confusion; I thought -proposed could take on backports-style versioning for new-upstream-version SRUs03:20
jdongbut either way, use whatever versioning scheme everyone is comfortable with03:20
wgrantI don't see why that versioning should be any more special than normal SRU versioning.03:21
jdongeither way would work for this package.03:22
jdongIMO 0ubuntu0.1 for when the "old" packaging was used for the new version, "0ubuntu1~hardy1" for when intrepid-like packaging was used for the hardy package03:23
jdongin this case both scenarios are equivalent03:23
wgrantBut 9:1.2.3+really1.4.5~8.7-3.7etch1lenny2+7.4ubuntu9.8~hardy1 is a valid version as well, but it would never be used, both because it's stupid, and it's not convention.03:24
wgrantWe have version conventions, although we probably can't enforce them if our GNOME maintainers don't follow them :(03:24
wgrantALl security, release and backports uploads follow them; why shouldn't updates?03:25
jdongdon't get me wrong, 0ubuntu0.1 is completely fine by me03:26
jdongand if we do have version conventions, they sure aren't documented all that well03:27
jdongwe definitely have had -updates using ~gutsy/~hardy syntax03:27
wgrant-security is clearly documented on SecurityUpdateProcedure, -backports must be somewhere, and release everybody knows.03:27
wgrantI see one instance of a ~gutsyX in gutsy-updates.03:29
wgrantAnd that's because it was copied from -backports.03:30
a7xwould someone be willing to review a patch for me?  it's a simple shell script change for compiz.  (LP: #221661)04:41
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jc-dentonhi all10:43
jc-dentonis there a way to install gcc-2.95 on hardy10:43
jc-dentonthere is no package10:43
jc-dentonand i tried to compile it, but it fails10:43
jc-dentonhttp://rafb.net/p/cYgq3p98.html10:44
felaI don't really understand when /var/lib/apt/extended_states is used... I tried to uninstall and install the same program with apt-get, adept, synaptic, aptitude, but in no case it seems to show up in that file...11:30
fela(I'm still using feisty)11:37
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emgentheya13:35
LotsaCaboAnyone have a good How-To on getting started with Mono on Ubuntu 8?14:30
HobbseeLotsaCabo: #ubuntu for support.  or perhaps ##mono14:31
rc55Hi - is there a channel for anyone interested in packaging?14:51
ion_rc55: #ubuntu-motu14:51
rc55ion_: thank you14:52
daedrahardy just crashed, is there a way to get a log of it and submit it?14:52
ion_Can you be more specific about what crashed?14:52
daedrawell I couldn't tell14:53
daedraI was in openoffice, and then everything froze14:53
daedraso I tried doing SysReq keys14:54
daedramanaged to reboot it, but I don't know where to get an error log from my system14:55
InforMedHi! Why hardy change from ipw driver to iwl?14:56
daedrajust what can you do when the whole system hangs?14:57
InforMedIs there a way to go back to ipw?14:57
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ffmIf a package was removed from the repos, but packages that depend on that package are still there, how do I ask that those packages be removed as well as they are not installable?17:59
ffmExample: sugar-write-activity depends on python-abiword but is not installable.18:00
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geserffm: can't sugar-write-activity be fixed to work without python-abiword?18:12
ffmgeser, No.18:13
ffmgeser, sugar-write-activity is built using abiword.18:13
ffmgeser, unless its functionality can be mimicked by another package.18:14
geserthen file a bug request asking for its removal18:14
geserand give a rationale for why it should be removed and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors18:15
geserbut this won't be fixed in hardy anymore only intrepid18:15
ffmgeser, can't it be fixed for 8.04.1?18:16
bbrazilI've an odd suspicion that the -16 hardy kernel is FTBFS18:16
bbrazilbut don't currently have the compute resources to spare to verify it18:17
geserbbrazil: linux 2.6.24-16.30 build successfully (but I don't if it's still the case)18:19
bbrazilhmm, I'm on that revision but doing other crazy stuff with it, so probably my fault then18:20
ffmIs there any chance of us making use of ksplice?18:21
ffmI'd be great to change from "Never reboot, except for kernel updates" to "Never need to reboot, _ever_"18:22
bbrazilissue is that the xen patches include Kconfig.orig and Kconfig, and as I'm altering Kconfig  'patch' creates a Kconfig.orig and it goes downhill from there18:23
bbrazilone bug coming up18:23
CrippledCanarydoes anyone here now if it is possible to upload to universe or mulitverse in a PPA or is it just main?18:23
geserCrippledCanary: iirc PPA doesn't distinguish between main and universe18:25
CrippledCanaryok... thanks18:25
geserfor multiverse you need to check with the PPA terms18:26
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bbrazilfiled as #223175 for anyone who cares, with full repo18:41
salty-horsehi. any xkb hackers around?18:48
salty-horsebryce, maybe?18:48
pwnguini dont think anyone would ever describe themselves as xkb hackers18:52
salty-horsepwnguin, I'm looking for someone who has a bit of authority to quell bugs like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/196277 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/xkeyboard-config/+bug/205314 from becoming "I can confirm this" floods -- and I have some preventative temporary solutions I'd like to propose/discuss. seems like the bugs themselves are a bad place to do it now18:53
ubotuLaunchpad bug 196277 in xorg "[hardy] keyboard layout switching shortcut doesn't work after reboot" [High,Confirmed]18:53
brycehi salty-horse18:58
bryce"confirm storms" heh18:58
salty-horsehi, are you the go-to guy on whatever I mentioned above?18:58
salty-horse;)18:58
bryceyeah18:59
salty-horseI think (after talking to svu) all of those are caused by https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4927      so:18:59
ubotuFreedesktop bug 4927 in Input/Keyboard "XKM files do not keep the information regarding the explicit vmodmap mask" [Major,Reopened]18:59
salty-horse1) people around the community -- especially those in non-english speaking countries, should be notified that this is a known problem, or they would keep filing new bugs with different descriptions and confirm current bugs19:00
brycesalty-horse: looking19:00
salty-horse2) I think (not really understanding things) that adding "setxkbmap" to /etc/profile will help the problem of "chaning layout doesn't work" -- (it doesn't fix the problem of several key combinations layout-changers not working such as "alt-alt"). I say this because going into the layout options gui, adding a 'v' and removing it works, and a no-parameter call to setxkbmap seems to do the same19:02
brycewow, the description in 196277 is rather obtuse...  I like yours better19:03
salty-horse3) this is *very important* to non-english users, as pointed out in the bugs, and can be deduced by the sheer number of comments and dupes19:03
brycesalty-horse: has a patch been identified?19:03
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salty-horsebryce, better talk to svu about it -- he's afk at the moment19:04
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salty-horsebryce, again, I am no expert at this. I'm just giving you a "sitrep" in the midst of a defcon-2 (...it sounds cooler in geopolitical thrillers)19:06
brycesalty-horse: ok thanks19:07
salty-horsethanks for looking at it!!! :)19:07
brycesalty-horse: I'll put it on my watch list, and hopefully a patch will make itself known19:08
salty-horsethis bug has several manifestations19:08
salty-horseI think the setxkbmap call fixes some of them. I think it's the solution that should be investigated first, before looking into patching xkb code "unofficially"19:09
salty-horses/solution/patchy hack/19:09
brycesalty-horse: hmm, upstream doesn't sound like they want to fix it (at least not quickly)19:15
salty-horseyup. that's the problem :/19:16
brycesalty-horse: do you know what change caused the breakage?19:16
salty-horsenope. please talk to svu for the info -- sorry for being such a dry well of information19:17
Lightkeya salty horse, in my #ubuntu-devel? O_o19:17
salty-horseLightkey, err.. this is kinda awkward... so...19:18
Lightkeyyou did not answer my query ;p19:19
salty-horsebryce, a hint until you talk to svu: http://blogs.gnome.org/sudaltsov/2008/03/23/xkb-suxx-c/19:19
salty-horseLightkey, someone pinged you on #scummvm19:19
zyx386hi19:21
zyx386what is about this bug in Hardy? 19188919:22
salty-horsebryce, you might want to merge the two bugs into one.. dupe one of them, maybe, and change the title to something more encompassing than "problem with shortcuts"19:25
bryceyep, doing that19:25
salty-horsethanks a bunch19:26
brycesalty-horse: would you mind please looking through launchpad for other dupes and duping them to 196277?19:27
salty-horsesure. I'll do that right after I finish dinner (15 minutes?) :)19:28
bryceyeah I need to get breakfast myself... bbiab19:29
salty-horsebreakfast?! this time of night?! :)19:30
ubuntu__hello19:57
ubuntu__how is everybody?19:58
ubuntu__im looking to understand how and why the ubuntu developers choose some packages and features to be included19:59
ubuntu__does anybody can point me at some interesting blog, or a discussion about this20:00
ubuntu__im kind of more interested in the human factor, the psycology of that20:00
ffmubuntu__, Uh, packages are included becasue they have maintainers.20:01
ubuntu__and why some features in the blueprints get more attention that others?20:02
kmpaHello, I need some help20:03
nandhi20:03
kmpaHI20:04
kmpacan u help me?20:04
nandjust ask your question :)20:04
kmpaI want to share in the development of ubuntu, and I don't know how20:05
nandkmpa:  a good place to start: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate20:05
nandthere are lots of pointers to different teams20:05
nanddepend of what you want to do/what are your skills20:06
kmpaok, I think this is enough, thank you20:07
nandyou're welcome!20:07
nandUbuntu's own summer of code (slightly different): would it interest some of you as mentor? mentoree? : https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-own-summer-of-code20:11
* nand is doing a poll :)20:11
ffmnand, How about the GHOPC?20:16
ffmnand, Ah, I see...20:17
ffmnand, Do we get tshirts ;)20:17
nandffm: hehe, we could :)20:18
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Kopfgeldjaegern822:19
* Nitro is Away, Reason: ( sleep ) | Since: ( Sunday, April 27, 2008. 23:26:20 ) Xlack v2.122:37
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Lightkeyhttp://timedoctor.org/2008/04/an-unfortunate-guide-to-upgrading-ubuntu/22:55
mdkeis apport turned off now that hardy is stable? I just saw the same bug reported 6 times in quick succession via a failed hardy upgrade, each time on different packages23:33
mdkebug 223324 if it matters23:34
ubotuLaunchpad bug 223324 in scrollkeeper "package gnome-user-guide 2.22.0+svn20080407ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: problemi con le dipendenze - lasciato non configurato" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22332423:34
mdkeoh dear, looking at the user's bug page, it looks a lot worse, there are tens of em23:36

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