[00:21] there is a bug that make pink shadows, you know it? [00:21] its for ppl with nvidia geforce card [00:21] you can fix it with this: "sudo ln -sf /usr/lib/nvidia/libwfb.so.xserver-xorg-core /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libwfb.so" [00:21] plz fix upstream [00:27] plz make so thumb mouse button in my mouse work for move back/forward in nautilus and firefox [00:29] please file bugs using https://launchpad.net [00:29] i did [00:29] but they dont listen to me :( [00:29] i made it in 7.10 and now i use 8.04 but it still not have that :( === persia changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Ubuntu 8.04 LTS released! | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/feisty/gutsy/hardy, #ubuntu+1 for intrepid | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs === jdong_ is now known as jdong === slangase` is now known as slangasek [02:41] slangasek, you can nuke mythbuntu-control-centre 0.28-0ubuntu1 from hardy proposed. i meant to upload 0.28-0ubuntu1~hardy1 (which I just did) [02:41] sorry for the mistake [02:45] superm1: That's not valid -proposed versioning... [02:46] wgrant, its the sort of thing that was agreed on from what i understand until intrepid opens [02:47] because 0.28-0ubuntu1 isn't in intrepid yet, but will be [02:47] That's backports versioning. [02:47] 0.28-0ubuntu0.1 would be more right. [02:48] well jdong acked the bug for laga, so i was just doing my part to get it in... [02:48] Hmmm. [02:49] * persia advocates the creation of a guide answering the question "How do I select the next revision string" in the wiki [02:49] there is always this kind of confusion in between dev cycles [02:50] or similar [02:50] I don't think the revision code strings should be different between cycles from during cycles. [03:00] If it's aimed for -proposed, surely -backports versioning is very wrong? [03:00] If nothing else, it makes it difficult to backport [03:01] And confuses people. [03:02] True. Confuses all of developers, archive admins, testers, and end-users. [03:08] I was just reading the SRU policy this evening [03:08] and it says to use -security versioning [03:09] i.e. section 4 of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityUpdateProcedures#Prepare [03:09] We definitely need a definitive guide to specify appropriate versioning for all of backports, updates, and security. [03:09] I think backports versioning is also on a wiki page [03:10] but yes, it takes a lot of clicks to find anything [03:10] and it's not used consistently [03:10] It's the last that is the issue. [03:10] It's used consistently except by GNOME people. [03:10] Which then confuses everyone else into using braindead versioning, I guess. [03:10] wgrant: That's not fair. mythbuntu-control-centre isn't GNOME. [03:11] I was unaware of it until this evening [03:11] so I imagine other people are confused ;-) [03:11] persia: I meant they were 'everyone else' [03:11] this would go well with my idea of cheatsheet pages for developers [03:11] It would. [03:11] Ah. Yes. Still, be nice to have something on the wiki. I couldn't find anything yesterday. [03:20] wgrant: sorry for the confusion; I thought -proposed could take on backports-style versioning for new-upstream-version SRUs [03:20] but either way, use whatever versioning scheme everyone is comfortable with [03:21] I don't see why that versioning should be any more special than normal SRU versioning. [03:22] either way would work for this package. [03:23] IMO 0ubuntu0.1 for when the "old" packaging was used for the new version, "0ubuntu1~hardy1" for when intrepid-like packaging was used for the hardy package [03:23] in this case both scenarios are equivalent [03:24] But 9:1.2.3+really1.4.5~8.7-3.7etch1lenny2+7.4ubuntu9.8~hardy1 is a valid version as well, but it would never be used, both because it's stupid, and it's not convention. [03:24] We have version conventions, although we probably can't enforce them if our GNOME maintainers don't follow them :( [03:25] ALl security, release and backports uploads follow them; why shouldn't updates? [03:26] don't get me wrong, 0ubuntu0.1 is completely fine by me [03:27] and if we do have version conventions, they sure aren't documented all that well [03:27] we definitely have had -updates using ~gutsy/~hardy syntax [03:27] -security is clearly documented on SecurityUpdateProcedure, -backports must be somewhere, and release everybody knows. [03:29] I see one instance of a ~gutsyX in gutsy-updates. [03:30] And that's because it was copied from -backports. [04:41] would someone be willing to review a patch for me? it's a simple shell script change for compiz. (LP: #221661) === andy_ is now known as xtknight === MacSlow_ is now known as MacSlow [10:43] hi all [10:43] is there a way to install gcc-2.95 on hardy [10:43] there is no package [10:43] and i tried to compile it, but it fails [10:44] http://rafb.net/p/cYgq3p98.html [11:30] I don't really understand when /var/lib/apt/extended_states is used... I tried to uninstall and install the same program with apt-get, adept, synaptic, aptitude, but in no case it seems to show up in that file... [11:37] (I'm still using feisty) === twi1 is now known as twi_ [13:35] heya [14:30] Anyone have a good How-To on getting started with Mono on Ubuntu 8? [14:31] LotsaCabo: #ubuntu for support. or perhaps ##mono [14:51] Hi - is there a channel for anyone interested in packaging? [14:51] rc55: #ubuntu-motu [14:52] ion_: thank you [14:52] hardy just crashed, is there a way to get a log of it and submit it? [14:52] Can you be more specific about what crashed? [14:53] well I couldn't tell [14:53] I was in openoffice, and then everything froze [14:54] so I tried doing SysReq keys [14:55] managed to reboot it, but I don't know where to get an error log from my system [14:56] Hi! Why hardy change from ipw driver to iwl? [14:57] just what can you do when the whole system hangs? [14:57] Is there a way to go back to ipw? === hunger_t is now known as hunger [17:59] If a package was removed from the repos, but packages that depend on that package are still there, how do I ask that those packages be removed as well as they are not installable? [18:00] Example: sugar-write-activity depends on python-abiword but is not installable. === andrew_ is now known as PixelSmack [18:12] ffm: can't sugar-write-activity be fixed to work without python-abiword? [18:13] geser, No. [18:13] geser, sugar-write-activity is built using abiword. [18:14] geser, unless its functionality can be mimicked by another package. [18:14] then file a bug request asking for its removal [18:15] and give a rationale for why it should be removed and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors [18:15] but this won't be fixed in hardy anymore only intrepid [18:16] geser, can't it be fixed for 8.04.1? [18:16] I've an odd suspicion that the -16 hardy kernel is FTBFS [18:17] but don't currently have the compute resources to spare to verify it [18:19] bbrazil: linux 2.6.24-16.30 build successfully (but I don't if it's still the case) [18:20] hmm, I'm on that revision but doing other crazy stuff with it, so probably my fault then [18:21] Is there any chance of us making use of ksplice? [18:22] I'd be great to change from "Never reboot, except for kernel updates" to "Never need to reboot, _ever_" [18:23] issue is that the xen patches include Kconfig.orig and Kconfig, and as I'm altering Kconfig 'patch' creates a Kconfig.orig and it goes downhill from there [18:23] one bug coming up [18:23] does anyone here now if it is possible to upload to universe or mulitverse in a PPA or is it just main? [18:25] CrippledCanary: iirc PPA doesn't distinguish between main and universe [18:25] ok... thanks [18:26] for multiverse you need to check with the PPA terms === fta_ is now known as fta [18:41] filed as #223175 for anyone who cares, with full repo [18:48] hi. any xkb hackers around? [18:48] bryce, maybe? [18:52] i dont think anyone would ever describe themselves as xkb hackers [18:53] pwnguin, I'm looking for someone who has a bit of authority to quell bugs like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/196277 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/xkeyboard-config/+bug/205314 from becoming "I can confirm this" floods -- and I have some preventative temporary solutions I'd like to propose/discuss. seems like the bugs themselves are a bad place to do it now [18:53] Launchpad bug 196277 in xorg "[hardy] keyboard layout switching shortcut doesn't work after reboot" [High,Confirmed] [18:58] hi salty-horse [18:58] "confirm storms" heh [18:58] hi, are you the go-to guy on whatever I mentioned above? [18:58] ;) [18:59] yeah [18:59] I think (after talking to svu) all of those are caused by https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4927 so: [18:59] Freedesktop bug 4927 in Input/Keyboard "XKM files do not keep the information regarding the explicit vmodmap mask" [Major,Reopened] [19:00] 1) people around the community -- especially those in non-english speaking countries, should be notified that this is a known problem, or they would keep filing new bugs with different descriptions and confirm current bugs [19:00] salty-horse: looking [19:02] 2) I think (not really understanding things) that adding "setxkbmap" to /etc/profile will help the problem of "chaning layout doesn't work" -- (it doesn't fix the problem of several key combinations layout-changers not working such as "alt-alt"). I say this because going into the layout options gui, adding a 'v' and removing it works, and a no-parameter call to setxkbmap seems to do the same [19:03] wow, the description in 196277 is rather obtuse... I like yours better [19:03] 3) this is *very important* to non-english users, as pointed out in the bugs, and can be deduced by the sheer number of comments and dupes [19:03] salty-horse: has a patch been identified? === fta_ is now known as fta [19:04] bryce, better talk to svu about it -- he's afk at the moment === Seveaz is now known as Seveas [19:06] bryce, again, I am no expert at this. I'm just giving you a "sitrep" in the midst of a defcon-2 (...it sounds cooler in geopolitical thrillers) [19:07] salty-horse: ok thanks [19:07] thanks for looking at it!!! :) [19:08] salty-horse: I'll put it on my watch list, and hopefully a patch will make itself known [19:08] this bug has several manifestations [19:09] I think the setxkbmap call fixes some of them. I think it's the solution that should be investigated first, before looking into patching xkb code "unofficially" [19:09] s/solution/patchy hack/ [19:15] salty-horse: hmm, upstream doesn't sound like they want to fix it (at least not quickly) [19:16] yup. that's the problem :/ [19:16] salty-horse: do you know what change caused the breakage? [19:17] nope. please talk to svu for the info -- sorry for being such a dry well of information [19:17] a salty horse, in my #ubuntu-devel? O_o [19:18] Lightkey, err.. this is kinda awkward... so... [19:19] you did not answer my query ;p [19:19] bryce, a hint until you talk to svu: http://blogs.gnome.org/sudaltsov/2008/03/23/xkb-suxx-c/ [19:19] Lightkey, someone pinged you on #scummvm [19:21] hi [19:22] what is about this bug in Hardy? 191889 [19:25] bryce, you might want to merge the two bugs into one.. dupe one of them, maybe, and change the title to something more encompassing than "problem with shortcuts" [19:25] yep, doing that [19:26] thanks a bunch [19:27] salty-horse: would you mind please looking through launchpad for other dupes and duping them to 196277? [19:28] sure. I'll do that right after I finish dinner (15 minutes?) :) [19:29] yeah I need to get breakfast myself... bbiab [19:30] breakfast?! this time of night?! :) [19:57] hello [19:58] how is everybody? [19:59] im looking to understand how and why the ubuntu developers choose some packages and features to be included [20:00] does anybody can point me at some interesting blog, or a discussion about this [20:00] im kind of more interested in the human factor, the psycology of that [20:01] ubuntu__, Uh, packages are included becasue they have maintainers. [20:02] and why some features in the blueprints get more attention that others? [20:03] Hello, I need some help [20:03] hi [20:04] HI [20:04] can u help me? [20:04] just ask your question :) [20:05] I want to share in the development of ubuntu, and I don't know how [20:05] kmpa: a good place to start: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate [20:05] there are lots of pointers to different teams [20:06] depend of what you want to do/what are your skills [20:07] ok, I think this is enough, thank you [20:07] you're welcome! [20:11] Ubuntu's own summer of code (slightly different): would it interest some of you as mentor? mentoree? : https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-own-summer-of-code [20:11] * nand is doing a poll :) [20:16] nand, How about the GHOPC? [20:17] nand, Ah, I see... [20:17] nand, Do we get tshirts ;) [20:18] ffm: hehe, we could :) === TheImp is now known as TheInfinity [22:19] n8 [22:37] * Nitro is Away, Reason: ( sleep ) | Since: ( Sunday, April 27, 2008. 23:26:20 ) Xlack v2.1 === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [22:55] http://timedoctor.org/2008/04/an-unfortunate-guide-to-upgrading-ubuntu/ [23:33] is apport turned off now that hardy is stable? I just saw the same bug reported 6 times in quick succession via a failed hardy upgrade, each time on different packages [23:34] bug 223324 if it matters [23:34] Launchpad bug 223324 in scrollkeeper "package gnome-user-guide 2.22.0+svn20080407ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: problemi con le dipendenze - lasciato non configurato" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/223324 [23:36] oh dear, looking at the user's bug page, it looks a lot worse, there are tens of em