[03:18] <\lart> Greetings all.  Planning to build a new server at home.  Trying to decide between an Opteron vs an Athlon 64 X2.  Both dual core, both 2.8 Ghz clock.  Haven't touched an AMD CPU since a K5.  I'm guessing the Opteron's the better choice - true?
[03:25] <_derspankster> a lot of horsepower for a home server
[03:27] <CarlF1> i just installed u-server.  what package do I install so usb drives get mounted when I plug them in, in the say way as u-desktop, which uses the drives disk label or something
[03:30] <rhineheart_m> how to configure mod_security in ubuntu-server?
[03:59] <_derspankster> vlc cannot open avi files from my server, Totem can. I'd rather use vlc but can;t make it work.
[03:59] <_derspankster> vlc on my wife's XP computer works just fine
[04:51] <osmosis> Any ideas why php5 isnt seeing the php5-imagick module even though it is installed ?
[04:53] <osmosis> how do I list the config files a package installed ?
[05:17] <virtualroadside> im pretty sure i've ran out of entropy
[05:22] <osmosis> jeos is giving me this  "WARNING: The following packages cannot authenticate!"
[05:23] <osmosis> does 32 bit constrict the entire system to only 4GB of RAM usage?
[05:37] <osmosis> anyone know how to fix the imagick issue on hardy ?
[05:58] <lucent> I hope I'm in the right crowd tonight - Is install to md RAID1 supported by the installer? I did not see it in the options
[05:59] <lucent> couldn't find an example of anyone doing this on 8.04 LTS
[06:06] <osmosis> lucent: not that ive seen. that would be cool though. I only saw LVM and LVM encrypted now.
[06:06] <lucent> oh :/
[06:06] <lucent> I wonder why md RAID1 was glossed over?
[06:07] <erimar77> what's the install size?
[06:07] <erimar77> of base install
[06:07] <lucent> less than 2G for sure
[06:07] <lucent> erimar77: what do you want to know exactly
[06:08] <lucent> how big to make a partition?
[06:08] <erimar77> i take the ubuntu server disc, install.. do a df -h, what's the Used
[06:08] <lucent> ohh
[06:08] <lucent> I could do an install right now and find out for you
[06:08] <lucent> I'm wondering why you need that info
[06:08] <erimar77> i have an eeepc from asus and was going to use it as the base
[06:09] <erimar77> all i really need are some of the hardware specific drivers, xserver-xorg, fluxbox, and firefox
[06:10] <lucent> ah, okay
[06:10] <lucent> is that x86?
[06:10] <erimar77> yes
[06:10] <lucent> wow, sure I'll run a no-frills install and have a look
[06:10] <lucent> I think, give me 20-40 minutes?
[06:10] <erimar77> i have a virtual environment i can do it, was just hoping someone knew off the top
[06:11] <erimar77> thanks for the offer though
[06:18] <lucent> erimar77: north of 540MB, south of 600MB
[06:18] <lucent> I did an encrypted install of ubuntu server Hardy 8.04 LTS
[06:18] <lucent> no tasks selected
[06:19] <lucent> it's really irritating that swap is not encrypted
[06:19] <erimar77> encrypted install, eh
[06:26] <rhineheart_m> how's hardy in server administration?
[06:26] <rhineheart_m> Is it doing better than gutsy?
[06:27] <lucent> rhineheart_m: IMO gutsy wasn't ready for server deployment anyway
[06:28] <rhineheart_m> lucent, you mean.. gutsy server ed is not that secured than hardy in the same purpose?
[06:28] <lucent> compared to the previous LTS release (Dapper?)
[06:30] <lucent> Hardy tackles a few key things to make it scale better, like integration with libvirt for virtualisation and better awareness in the marketplace
[06:30] <lucent> it's tough to convince vendors to open their engineering man-hours to you if nobody has heard of you
[06:31] <lucent> :)
[06:31] <osmosis> libvirt woot woot!
[06:31] <lucent> it's pretty user-friendly actually
[06:32] <lucent> I mean, libvirt related things and virt-manager
[06:32] <rhineheart_m> hardy is user-friendly you mean?
[06:32] <osmosis> i just formated my server and setup kvm libvirt today.  configing my guest slices now.
[06:32] <erimar77> lucent: thanks
[06:32] <osmosis> i switched off xen. i am much happier with kvm.
[06:32] <lucent> yeah I am about to nuke my xen gutsy install
[06:32] <lucent> it was a fucked up nightmare to deal with
[06:32] <osmosis> lucent: i couldnt even get xen to work on gutsy. i had to run xen on feisty.
[06:33] <rhineheart_m> so, are people here recommend hardy for server than gutsy?
[06:33] <lucent> osmosis: you are the smart one. I stuck with it and sank 6 hours hacking that thing to work
[06:33] <osmosis> yah, cant stand xens custom kernels.  kvm is a simple kernel module..couldnt be easier for that part. im still getting used to virsh though.
[06:33] <osmosis> the only thing that bummed me out was amd64 didnt seem to work to well, so I stuck with 32 bit.
[06:34] <erimar77> kvm is pretty slick, noticed you can boot a separate partition as a vm
[06:34] <rhineheart_m> ows..nobody is listening to me :(
[06:34] <lucent> I liked the hypervisor because I have some gratis 1U servers that were dropped in my lap, they do not have VT but they do have HT and dual SMP Xeon 3.0GHz procs
[06:34] <erimar77> rhineheart_m: i'm new, dont mind me
[06:35]  * rhineheart_m considered erimar77 
[06:35] <lucent> rhineheart_m: I won't go near Gutsy again. It is buggy on desktop and server, all effort being put forth is going into Hardy
[06:36] <osmosis> im finding a lot of major bugs in hardy for php5 modules. pretty messed.
[06:36]  * rhineheart_m still waiting for confirmation from other members here...since he is still contemplating to what version of ubuntu he is going to use after he formats his box...
[06:36] <lucent> osmosis: the turn-around on reported bugs has been pretty good, for the areas I'm interested in (virtualisation, usability)
[06:37]  * rhineheart_m has been running gutsy since january but decides to upgrade to hardy to for LTS. Hope to hear some good views here..
[06:37] <lucent> osmosis: of note, I found a lot of bugs "complained and diagnosed" on the forums that were not filed in launchpad
[06:37] <lucent> which is a damn shame
[06:38] <lucent> inappropriate use of /me btw, fwiw
[06:39] <erimar77> maybe they only speak in 3rd person
[06:39] <lucent> hm, I must consider that too, heh
[06:39] <erimar77> could be a rockstar or actor
[06:39]  * osmosis likes to speak about himself in 3rd person.
[06:39] <lucent> I'm thinking rockstar
[06:39] <lucent> an actor would use iChat
[06:39]  * lucent coughs "Bruce Willis is in da housssse"
[06:40]  * rhineheart_m has secretary in the desk to speak for himself
[06:41] <lucent> Is this anything like a Genie in a bottle?
[06:41] <lucent> agh enough being trolled
[06:42] <lucent> RAID1 install from Hardy... possible? or ... unpossible.
[06:43] <rhineheart_m> what version of apache is being used in hardy?
[06:45] <erimar77> 2.2.8
[06:45] <erimar77> -1
[06:45] <lucent> packages.ubuntu.com I think
[06:46] <rhineheart_m> Thanks erimar77. THat helps
[06:47] <lucent> rhineheart_m: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/net/
[06:50] <rhineheart_m> thanks too lucent.
[06:51] <rhineheart_m> webmin should be studied again by cannonical.. I guess it has been maintained by the developers already as it was the reason why it was being removed from the repo
[06:52] <lucent> I don't know the answer, but that is not okay to make an assumption like this
[06:54] <lucent> big packages that are once in the repository, and then moved or removed from the repository, would be discussed on a developer mailing list (sorry, I don't know which mailing list applies, I am always finding these things out by searching mailing list archives and webmin does not interest me)
[06:55] <rhineheart_m> but I've been using webmin since 1.40 and that was on january...and I upgraded it to 1.410 which was released earlier. I was able to use ISPCOnfig in debain machine..and ebox in gutsy... but ebox can't really compete webmin in terms of functionality.. and I would prefer webmin over ISPConfig (that's just an honest feedback actually)
[06:56] <lucent> launchpad.net and mailing lists are good resources to "put your vote in"
[06:58] <rhineheart_m> I don't have more than time to do it.. :) Hope developers are here too...
[07:01] <lucent> punter.
[07:01] <lucent> I tried.
[07:22] <kgoetz> morning all :)
[07:23]  * kgoetz installs 8.04 server on a system and goes o_0 at teh 'ssh-server' task
[07:32]  * kgoetz wonders if hte installer is meant to be this silent or if its a bug
[07:35] <lucent> kgoetz: the ubuntu repositories are swamped
[07:36] <lucent> so... I know at least for contacting the repositiories it is sitting there waiting for a response from the repositories
[07:36] <lucent> kgoetz: which part is quiet for you?
[07:37] <kgoetz> lucent: i know. i'd still like hte message to change from 'finished installing apparmour' to 'wasting your time trying to update from a mirror you dont want to use'
[07:37] <kgoetz> ^^
[07:37] <lucent> heh
[07:37] <kgoetz> hm. 7 minutes to downlaod 1178kb
[07:37] <lucent> it sounds funny, but it is the truth!  what if you were supposed to manage 1,000 copies of Ubuntu to install?
[07:38] <kgoetz> so i'm getting ~3kb/s
[07:38] <lucent> in my experience the past two days, the initial connection takes a while to get a response
[07:38] <kgoetz> you'd probably dns it so the mirrors are local. my problem is i'm installing the gateway, which will be the dns/cache while i updat ethe serverrs/clients ;)
[07:38] <lucent> the actual transfer is much faster
[07:39]  * kgoetz wonders if unplugging it and haxking hte sources.list after install will be better
[07:50] <kgoetz> this is driving me crazy ;|
[07:56] <kgoetz> \o/ movement
[09:08] <NineTeen67Comet> Wh'elp .. I've got an annoying issue with update-module-core. It seems to have an issue with pycentral (re-installed python-central and all dependancies for update-module-core) .. I an error when I run anything, even dpkg --reconfigure -a .. here's the error ..
[09:09] <NineTeen67Comet>  /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-apt.postinst: 6: pycentral: not found
[09:09] <NineTeen67Comet> But I've re-installed python-central several times .. with the same error
[09:13]  * NineTeen67Comet sigh, now python-apt is crying ...
[09:22] <sergevn> Hello, installed apache and logwatch on an new server. everyday im getting log's that bots try to hammer random files on my server, is there some prevention against this?
[09:24] <kgoetz> against what exactly?
[11:58] <kgoetz>  installing over file:/// ftw! bugger mirrors for a joke ;|
[12:16] <HS-L> hello, I've got a VPS that's running 6.06LTS server what's the best way to upgrade it to 8.04?
[12:17] <HS-L> i want to test it on the VPS before i start thinking about upgrading my production server :)
[12:17] <kgoetz> help.ubuntu.com has the upgrade page. iirc /community/HardyUpgrades
[12:18] <HS-L> this is what i found:
[12:18] <HS-L> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[12:19] <kgoetz> url looks correct
[12:19] <HS-L> but it doesn't tell me how to upgrade from 6.06 to 8.04 directly.
[12:19] <kgoetz> should do
[12:19] <HS-L> it only tells me how to upgrade From 6.06 to 6.10
[12:20] <kgoetz> hm
[12:20]  * kgoetz is trying to make his browser work so he can look
[12:20] <Deeps> HS-L: look for the hardy upgrade page, it explains how to do the LTS to LTS upgrade
[12:21] <HS-L> Deeps: correct, but only for desktop's
[12:21] <HS-L> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[12:21] <HS-L> and i don't have a GUI :)
[12:22] <kgoetz> has anyone had problems with hardy absolutely *sucking* when it comes to network IO? i have a system that is struggling to use its network stack
[12:22] <kgoetz> and its almost a clean install
[12:23] <Deeps> HS-L: first hit on google for "ubuntu server LTS upgrade", and also happens to be the path kgoetz already gave you
[12:23] <kgoetz> 'almost' meaning about 5 hours old.
[12:24] <Deeps> HS-L: only point worth noting is that you dont want to use the -d flag, as you're not upgrading to a release currently in development
[12:24] <Deeps> HS-L: but rather, a stable release
[12:26] <Deeps> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading also has server upgrade information
[12:26] <Deeps> and you might need the -d flag after all from 6.06
[12:27] <HS-L> ah now i see it, i thought that was for kubuntu..
[12:27] <Deeps> "Network upgrade for Ubuntu servers (recommended)"
[12:27] <HS-L> yeah, thx.
[12:28] <HS-L> now i have to find out what the update repo's are, my sources.list is quite empty :)
[12:28] <HS-L> deb http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main restricted
[12:28] <HS-L> just that?
[12:28] <kgoetz> if you use update-manager it will handle package sources
[12:29] <HS-L> but that's a GUI app isn't it?
[12:30] <Deeps> HS-L: yep, that should do the job
[12:30] <Deeps> and apt-get update
[12:30] <HS-L> well, no I have to hope my VPS will be up again soon..
[12:30] <HS-L> :)
[12:30] <HS-L> ah there it is, alive again.
[12:31] <kgoetz> there are non-gui instructiosn on that page
[12:31] <Deeps> Of course, your plan to test on a VM before testing on your real machine is a good one
[12:31] <HS-L> kgoetz: yeah, thats where my question was about.
[12:31] <HS-L> Deeps: :)
[12:32] <HS-L> don't want to risc a trip to the datacenter just yet :)
[12:32]  * kgoetz is fairly bamboozled at how badly this network stack is performing
[12:34] <kgoetz> i cant run a gateway on a system which cant even connect to the net ffs.
[12:51] <HS-L> this is my sources.list http://pastie.textmate.org/187551
[12:51] <HS-L> but there's still something missing
[12:52] <HS-L> http://pastie.textmate.org/187553
[12:52] <HS-L> that's the error I get
[12:55] <Deeps> !show lsb-release
[12:55]  * Deeps nudges ubotu 
[12:56] <kgoetz> perhaps !info ?
[12:56] <Deeps> hehe
[12:56] <Deeps> !info lsb-release
[12:56] <ubotu> lsb-release (source: lsb): Linux Standard Base version reporting utility. In component main, is important. Version 3.2-4ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 19 kB, installed size 84 kB
[12:56] <Deeps> lol
[12:56] <Deeps> in a pm: 12:55:27 <ubotu> Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[12:56] <kgoetz> hehe
[12:59] <Deeps> ubotu: help
[12:59] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[13:02] <HS-L> mhm,.. strange can't find anything about this error
[13:02] <Deeps> Have you tried installing the packages it's failing on manually?
[13:02] <DJMirage> mogge
[13:02] <HS-L> jups, also fails
[13:03] <Deeps> as in, download the deb from packages.ubuntu.com, dpkg -i
[13:03] <HS-L> mhmm,.. I always hate doing that manually :)
[13:03] <HS-L> but it's probably the only option
[13:04] <HS-L> mhmm,...
[13:04] <HS-L> lsb-release is only in hardy,.. do i need to add the hardy repo's?
[13:04] <Deeps> no, it's in dapper too
[13:05] <HS-L> you sure? why can't apt-get find the packages? :?
[13:05] <Deeps> you should have it installed already though
[13:05] <Deeps> http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/lsb-release
[13:06] <Deeps> apt-get find?
[13:07] <kgoetz> dpkg -l or dpkg --get-selections |grep lsb-release
[13:07] <kgoetz> and unless you've striped your ubuntu it should be there
[13:12] <HS-L> # dpkg --get-selections |grep lsb-release
[13:12] <HS-L> lsb-release                                     deinstall
[13:12] <HS-L> so it's there..
[13:29] <kgoetz> i'd try and help, but i seem to be having http issues
[13:30] <HS-L> kgoetz: i'm not in a hurry :)
[15:38] <spiroo> Does somebody in here, have experience with apache2 configuration for mod_rewrite and .htaccess files?
[15:40] <spiroo> anyone?
[15:41] <Deeps> tried #apache?
[15:44] <spiroo> yes. they do not know how to.
[15:44] <Deeps> lol
[15:45] <spiroo> It seems like nobody has my problem :D
[16:01] <SelfDeletion> hey folks, quick newby IPTABLES question, ive added my rules to my INPUT chain, how do i save them so that they are there after reboot? i tried iptables-save but it don't seem to work
[16:02] <Deeps> iptables-save will output to stdout, you wanna save them into a file, e.g., iptables-save > /etc/network/firewall
[16:02] <Deeps> then you'll want an init script to run iptables-restore < /etc/network/firewall during startup
[16:02] <SelfDeletion> ah ok, so tahts where im going wrong :D
[16:03] <SelfDeletion> im asuming that writing the iptable rule chains myself is as good as using something like shorewall ?
[16:04] <Deeps> i dont know what shorewall is, but if you know what you're doing, then yes, its as good (if not better) than any other tool can do for you
[16:04] <SelfDeletion> ok cool thanks :)
[16:04] <SelfDeletion> and i think shorewall is an alternative to Firestarter but has a cli into it as well as a gui
[16:09] <SelfDeletion> Deeps, just been looking at a tutorial on IPTables, is it safe enough to put the restore entry in the /etc/network/interfaces file? e.g. "pre-up iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.rules" for an interface?
[16:10] <Deeps> sure
[16:10] <SelfDeletion> ok cool thanks :)
[16:10] <Deeps> only problem is if that interface doesn't come up, and instead you start using a different one, then the firewall rules never come up
[16:11] <SelfDeletion> should be ok on this server as its only got the one nic in it (just a home test pc) but i'll bear that in mind for multiple interface systems
[16:53] <kgoetz> sigh. 1.30 am and i'm starting a gateway install
[17:04] <SelfDeletion> Deeps, just a note, seems that if you put that line in the /etc/network/interfaces after the address, netmask etc for a static interface it fails to bring up the interface, if you put it after the interface def but before the address, netmask etc it works fine (i.e. iface eth0 inet static \n pre-up ... \n address... etc)
[17:15] <Deeps> urr
[17:15] <osmosis> for munin, what does this do?  use_node_name yes
[17:31] <Scunizi> What version of FTP server is installed on Hardy if tagged?
[17:50] <osmosis> what is  /dev/mapper/loop0p1  ?  is that a ramdisk?
[18:14] <Lucutious> Good Evening!  Ubuntu newbie here, just curious - What's the process for installing new hardware in Ubuntu?  Like in Windows, you install card, install drivers, you're GTG.  Is it the same in Ubuntu, does it automatically find it, or will I have to find drivers?
[18:25] <Scunizi> lftp is what is installed with server when the option is checked.  How is that configured?  Docs are rather sparse for a noob on server like me.  Using gftp it tries to connect from inside my lan but wants a uname and pass. :(
[18:33] <Sid> hello I am having difficulties installing Apache2
[18:33] <Sid> i try apt-get install Apache2 and I get a tonne of errors
[18:33] <Sid> E: Problem parsing dependency Depends
[18:33] <Sid> E: Error occurred while processing slapd (NewVersion1)
[18:33] <Sid> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_gutsy-security_main_binary-i386_Packages
[18:33] <Sid> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[18:34] <Scunizi> Sid.. not sure but try sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get upgrade then sudo apt-get install Apache2
[18:34] <Sid> im logged in as root does that matter?
[18:35] <Scunizi> then you shouldn't need sudo
[18:35] <blue-frog> and you shouldn't need to ask either
[18:37] <Sid> it seems to have gotten stuck
[18:38] <Sid> 99% Connecting to ca.archives.ubuntu.com [some ip]
[18:44] <Sid> Fetched 192B in 5m51s (1B/s)
[18:44] <Sid> Failed to fetch http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/Release.gpg Could not connect to ca.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (129.97.134.71), connection timed out
[18:44] <Sid> Failed to fetch http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/i18n/Translation-en_CA.bz2 Could not connect to ca.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (129.97.134.71), connection timed out
[18:44] <Sid> Reading package lists... Error!
[18:44] <Sid> E: Problem parsing dependency Depends
[18:44] <Sid> E: Error occurred while processing slapd (NewVersion1)
[18:44] <Sid> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_gutsy-security_main_binary-i386_Packages
[18:44] <Sid> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[19:46] <osmosis> Is awstats the the best apache log file analysis tool?
[19:50] <spiroo> osmosis: Subjective task, but one of the best probably.
[19:52] <spiroo> Does somebody in here have good knowledge with apache 2. I need help with one thing, which they could not help me with in apache channel.
[19:53] <osmosis> spiroo: ask away
[19:53] <spiroo> Well, here it goes. I have problem with access root folder with my .htacess file.
[19:54] <spiroo> http://pastebin.org/32379
[19:54] <osmosis> spiroo: please explain more clearly
[19:54] <spiroo> I do not have any index file and have turned off Indexes.
[19:55] <osmosis> and the problem is ?
[19:55] <spiroo> When I am going to /var/www (http://localhost) I got 403, permission denied. Because it cannot find any index file, and indexing is not possible. I want the request to go forward to my .htaccess file
[19:56] <osmosis> spiroo: sorry, im not following you.
[19:56] <spiroo> I mean forbidden
[19:56] <osmosis> i dont get it
[19:56] <spiroo> osmosis: Well not many does :D I am trying to access an folderm which does not have any index file such index.htm.
[19:56] <spiroo> My .htaccess file is inside that root folder.
[19:56] <osmosis> what exactly are you trying to do ?
[19:57] <spiroo> When I am going to my startpage I want it to let the request go forward even if I have Indexes turned off and no index file is found.
[19:57] <spiroo> My .htacess file points the request towards my own coded framework which handle the uri /.
[19:59] <spiroo> I know it is possible to fix. I have done it before, but I do not remember how to do.
[20:05] <spiroo> osmosis ?
[20:05] <osmosis> spiroo: sounds like you want to do a Redirect?
[20:06] <osmosis> spiroo: well. as long as your .htaccess file is working, and your mod_redirect is working, it should work. You need to check those.
[20:06] <spiroo> No I do not wanna do a redirect
[20:06] <spiroo> Look on this: http://pastebin.org/32399
[20:06] <spiroo> Which is my htaccess file.
[20:07] <spiroo> Everything is working. The problem is the apache server.
[20:08] <osmosis> spiroo: i dont know what you are trying to do
[20:09] <spiroo> osmosis: I am trying to make this work. I do not have any index file in root path, Indexes is turned off. If I do a request for root directory it should read my .htaccess file and not looking for a index file which does not exist. If it does not exists the request should go on, but it does not.
[20:10] <osmosis> spiroo: trying to make 'what' work ?
[20:10] <spiroo> If I am typing this: http://localhost/ I only get 403, denied
[20:11] <spiroo> osmosis: I am trying to make my framework working wih apacheserver?
[20:11] <osmosis> if it was to be working...what would that behavior be.
[20:11] <spiroo> osmosis: It should be possible to send a request for a directory which does not exists and no index file inside it.
[20:11] <osmosis> spiroo: so your .htaccess file isnt doing the rewrite like its suppose to ?
[20:11] <spiroo> If I go to http://localhost/ it should view my startpage for my website.
[20:12] <osmosis> spiroo: where is your startpage located ?
[20:12] <spiroo> http://localhost/ would send a request to my http://localhost/www/default.php file which handles it like a index page and gets the right template.
[20:12] <spiroo> osmosis: From different parts. I do not have time to explain my framework.
[20:13] <osmosis> spiroo: i dont have much time either. got to go. best of luck!
[20:13] <spiroo> Just say it works like this: http://localhost/:module/:pagecontroller/:command/:params
[20:18] <apache-n00b> Awesome, is there anybody in here?
[20:22] <apache-n00b> Need help
[20:52] <apache-n00b> anyone in here?
[20:55] <giovani> apache-n00b: I think it's clear there are many people here, not all are active, but, asking if people are here won't get much of a response typically
[20:55] <apache-n00b> giovani: Hehe, you are right. But I do not want to take the journey again. Could someone read what I have written before. I am the spiroo guy :D
[20:57] <apache-n00b> giovani: ?
[20:58] <giovani> apache-n00b: what?
[20:58] <giovani> I wasn't here when you asked the question
[20:59] <apache-n00b> giovani: Okay, well, how experienced are you with apache2?
[20:59] <Scunizi> neither was I and I logged in at 2.5 hours ago
[20:59] <Scunizi> apache-n00b: you really need to just ask your question again.
[20:59] <apache-n00b> okay I type it all again if I think it is neccessary.
[20:59] <apache-n00b> Yes, well okay. Just a sec
[21:00] <giovani> apache-n00b: well ... unless this question is specific to ubuntu-server ... I think #apache would be FAR more relevant
[21:00] <apache-n00b> Here it goes again: I want to access localhost/ which mean root folder. In root folder I have no index file and Indexes is turned off. Is everybody with me so far?
[21:01] <apache-n00b> giovani: Well, they banned me because they could not answer my question. I got on their nerves :D
[21:01] <Scunizi> you're doing this from terminal?
[21:01] <apache-n00b> Scunizi: No? Webbrowser? Or what do you mean?
[21:01] <giovani> ... if you were banned from #apache over this ... I suggest you re-evaluate your irc etiquette
[21:02] <Scunizi> so you want to access your root from a browser?
[21:02] <apache-n00b> I did not do anything, I just typed and asked a lot of questions. Did not get mean, spamming, overfloading or anything.
[21:02] <giovani> apache-n00b: your etiquette here has already left much to be desired
[21:02] <giovani> so, just ask the question
[21:03] <apache-n00b> Scunizi: Yes and No. I want if I go to root folder. It should pass the request forward to my .htaccess file which is inside root folder even if it cannot find an index file.
[21:03] <giovani> you want to point apache at your root dir ... stupid, but, go ahead ... what's the actual problem?
[21:03] <apache-n00b> giovani: "your etiquette here has already left much to be desired". What do you mean exactly, my english is not too good unfortunatly
[21:04] <Scunizi> and you're trying this from the same machine or are you doing this remotely?
[21:04] <apache-n00b> No I do not want it to point to my root folder.
[21:04] <apache-n00b> From same machine.
[21:04] <apache-n00b> I have access to all config files.
[21:04] <giovani> you do ... you've said "I want to access localhost/ which mean root folder."
[21:05] <Scunizi> maybe you mean you want to see /var/www which would be root for your web server?
[21:05] <apache-n00b> I want to point every single request to /var/www/www/default.php which it does for the moment. The problem is when the request uri is /. It cannot handle root folder for the moment.
[21:06] <apache-n00b> giovani: Yes, sorry. I am not to good with english sentence building :D
[21:06] <giovani> apache-n00b: well, unfortunately, you haven't really asked a question, and you've been talking for minutes ... this is probably why the folks in #apache threw you out
[21:06] <Scunizi> so try http://localhost:<port for server>
[21:06] <apache-n00b> Scunizi: No, I do not wanna view my root folder.
[21:07] <apache-n00b> giovani: I am tryng to explain first what I want to do. Nobody understand exactly what I am tryng to do because my framework is complex.
[21:07] <giovani> apache-n00b: you're being extremely unclear
[21:08] <apache-n00b> giovani: I understand that you getting tired of my talk. But I am tryng the best I can here to make it clear what I really want to do.
[21:09] <Scunizi> are you trying to setup multiple sites?  if /var/www/www/default.php is what your using, typically it should be /var/www/default.php.. and do you just want it to display a list of files since you don't have an index?
[21:10] <apache-n00b> Well lets say this: When I type http://localhost into my browser. The first thing it is doing, is that it search for an index file. Well I do not have nay index file. Then it is trying to make an index, of Indexing is turned on. Which it is not.
[21:10] <Scunizi> and?
[21:10] <apache-n00b> After that it is throwing an 403 error on me. BUT I want to pass the request forward anyway.
[21:11] <Scunizi> forward where?
[21:11] <apache-n00b> It should process to my .htaccess file which point the request forward to my framework.
[21:11] <apache-n00b> Then my framework handles the uri.
[21:12] <apache-n00b> Here is what happens from request: http://pastebin.org/32379
[21:12] <apache-n00b> And here is my htaccess file: http://pastebin.org/32399
[21:12] <Scunizi> sounds like you're just trying to do a "re-direct" from one location to another.  Does that sound right to you giovani ?
[21:12] <giovani> I honestly have stopped listening, he's wasting everyone's time with his explanations
[21:12] <apache-n00b> This only fails when I am tryng to access my startpage. If I am typing for instance http://localhost/about the request is passing forward.
[21:14] <apache-n00b> So the question is: How do I fix my apache server to handles request to my root folder, which not has any index file?
[21:15] <apache-n00b> Scunizi: It sounds very unlogical if you does not understand my framework. I could explain, but I do not think you wanna listen on that too.
[21:16] <apache-n00b> giovani, Scunzi: This was the reason they kicked me out. I was wasting their time. I do not think this is fair, because I have not break any rules. Maybe you could learn something from this too.
[21:16] <Scunizi> I think I understand what you want to do but I don't know how to do it.
[21:18] <apache-n00b> Scunizi: okay, good :) Well that is the problem, nobody know how to do. I have solved this before without any bad hacks. But it was so long time ago that I cannot remember. It has something to do with Indexes and AllowOverride I think.
[21:19] <apache-n00b> I turned off Indexes and AllowOverride is set to All. I need to make it possible to change everything in my .htaccess file. I know it is risky. But I am the only user for this server. I do not wanna put the server online.
[21:21] <apache-n00b> I think it has something to do with this in vhost config file: http://pastebin.org/32412
[21:27] <apache-n00b> Thanks for your help anyway.
[21:34] <apache-n00b> Would this rule match http://localhost/ : "RewriteRule ^.+(/.*)?$  /www/default.php [L]" ?
[21:40]  * rgl waves
[22:49] <cellofellow> I've got a lightly used but important home server running DNSmasq, Apache, MySQL, PostgreSQL, BackupPC, and a few other things. It's running Gutsy, is a dist-upgrade to Hardy a wise move?
[22:50] <timboy2> hey i removed apache and deleted /etc/apache2 and reinstalled apache but /etc/apache2 didn't get recreated...
[22:50] <spiroo> YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS whos tha man. Now it works, untz untz untz
[22:51] <cellofellow> timboy2: sudo aptitude purge apache2, then install again. dpkg still thinks that /etc/apache2 is there.
[22:51] <timboy2> cellofellow, ok thx!
[22:51] <spiroo> Not sure why DirectoryIndex /www/default.php works though xD
[22:52] <timboy2> spiroo, what did you do hack the planet?
[22:52] <spiroo> timboy2: Yes ;)
[22:52] <spiroo> It took me all day to work out that "bad hack"
[22:52] <timboy2> sweet! I have a neighbor that I want replaced with a sink-hole... ;)
[22:52] <spiroo> no problemo.
[22:53] <timboy2> cellofellow, apache2: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: No such file or directory
[22:54] <spiroo> Is it possible to get unbanned from apache, or is it too late? :D
[22:54] <timboy2> spiroo, why do you want back in apache? all they ever tell anyone is to read the manual. :P
[22:55] <spiroo> I want to show them how I solved the problem they could not help me with.
[22:55] <cellofellow> timboy2: not sure exactly which package to purge, but purging removes the conf files.
[22:55] <cellofellow> timboy2: dpkg -S /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[22:55] <spiroo> timboy2: I get kicked because I was taking to much time and place in the channel. I did not break any rules.
[22:57] <spiroo> timboy2: But the "solution" is really bad, but it does tha job. I just need it to work temperary to get my website done.
[22:59] <timboy2> cellofellow, was apache2.2-common and thank you!
[23:01] <spiroo> In the future I am going to develop apache to be working even if it does not find an index file or Indexing is turned on. Every single request should be possible to control for the user.
[23:15] <Jay> gi guys
[23:15] <Jay> hi* guys