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santiago-vehi guys, any of you is experiencing "strange" system freezes?01:10
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Seregahey08:27
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SeregaRiddell: hey, how about to write gdebi for KDE4 on C++?10:07
RiddellSerega: why?10:07
SeregaRiddell: personally, I feel more comfortable with C++ and tend to performance (minor)10:08
SeregaRiddell: it's not a problem wit python, just a proposal10:08
Serega*with10:08
Riddellseems like an awful lot of work porting a pygtk app to c++10:10
Seregaaaaagh....10:10
SeregaRiddell: I forgot it's multiface...10:11
Seregaquestion is disappeared :)10:11
* comm_a_nder wishes kvim fpr kde410:17
comm_a_nder*g*10:17
Seregacomm_a_nder: it is present! ('konsole -e vim') :)10:27
Riddellmaybe yzis will release one day10:29
snikkerSorry if i write here, but i've got no answer in #kubuntu. After upgrade to 8.04 all my ksplash screen are oversized... How can i see them at normal size?10:37
Riddellwe don't use ksplash in 8.04, I'd recommend removing it10:40
comm_a_nderSerega: kind of ... :)10:40
Serega:)10:42
snikkerRiddell: there is a replacemente for ksplash in 8.04?10:43
comm_a_nderbut seriously, yzis seems to be dead am i the only one, wishing the power of vim inside a kde app with all the advantages of kde?10:46
comm_a_nderah no, there is still action in yzis svn10:47
* Hobbsee suggests gvim10:47
Hobbseenot kde, thouhg10:48
Hobbseethen again, it is a gui10:48
comm_a_nderjepp gvim has some features i like a lot but ist unfortunately gtk10:49
comm_a_ndernot that bad, but not the best10:50
Riddellsnikker: no10:52
snikkerRiddell: ok, thanks10:53
Hobbseecomm_a_nder: go ahead and make it, then :)10:53
Jucatohttp://code.google.com/soc/2008/kde/appinfo.html?csaid=370F903C96FF67D1 <- "Vi-like, modal editing mode for Kate"11:30
toscalixhi, I've detected an issue about the installer ubuntu that I want to ask, or do you prefer I write it down in a e-mail to any list?12:48
Riddelltoscalix: try evand, he's the installer man12:50
toscalixhis e-mail?12:50
Riddellevand@ubuntu12:51
toscalixthanks12:51
Riddellseele: what's the irc channel peter sikking is on?13:00
seeleRiddell: openusability13:04
seeleguiguru13:04
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seaLneNightrose: any idea what happened to the kubuntu banner (thin white bannerwith poles at top and bottom) after frosscon?13:28
seaLneany other kubuntu-de folks about?13:29
\shseaLne, what says czessi?13:35
seaLneCzessi: any idea what happened to the kubuntu banner that was at frosscon?13:37
neversfelde|mobiseaLne: I think it is in Berlin, but not sure13:37
seaLneneversfelde|mobi: could you find out and let me know please when you get a chance?13:38
neversfelde|mobiseaLne: will do13:38
seaLnegreat thanks13:38
neversfelde|mobiseaLne: this banner? http://www.kubuntu-de.org/bilder/events/linux-info-tag-dresden-200713:41
neversfelde|mobion the table13:41
Riddellgosh, we have lots of banners13:42
Riddellthis one http://www.kubuntu-de.org/bilder/events/linux-info-tag-dresden-2007#img413:42
seaLnethe one on the right13:42
neversfelde|mobi:) ok.13:43
seaLnei don't think i've seen the stand in the middle of 4 before?13:43
seaLneor is that the standard one?13:44
seaLnethe banner that was lying on the table might be usefull for the front of the kubuntu booth at akademy though13:45
neversfelde|mobiI think all banners are in Berlin waiting for Linux Tag13:47
seaLnethats before akademy anyway isn't it?13:47
neversfelde|mobiyes, I think so13:48
neversfelde|mobiend of may13:48
CzessiseaLne: i have all the both stuff here in berlin13:54
Czessifor linuxtag next month13:56
seaLneCzessi: what does it consist of?13:56
Czessiplastic plane13:58
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jpatrickhttp://www.seqfault.de/files/hardy-thankyou.png <- awesome15:29
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NightroseseaLne: nope sorry - don't know what happened to it after that and I am not sure I saw it at cebit15:52
Nightroseback to class - cya15:53
santiago-vemkay... back to the lockups problem15:56
santiago-ve>.<15:56
santiago-vewish me luck guys!16:04
nosrednaekim:)16:04
nixternalhttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/RichardJohnson/OpenWeek/KubuntuDevel16:45
nixternalreview that and see if I am missing anything from it and if it is decent for today's talk16:46
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Riddellnixternal: looks all good to me16:55
nixternalhopefully it will get 30+ minutes of paste time and then open it up for questions16:55
nosrednaekimtoday?16:57
stdinhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek16:57
nixternalnosrednaekim: yup16:58
nosrednaekimthat wasn't very well advertised this time16:58
nixternalsure it was, it was all over the planet the past week16:58
* nosrednaekim doesn't read the planet <_<16:59
nosrednaekimanyway... lookin forward to that KDE4 talk17:00
stdinit's in the weekly newsletter too17:00
nixternalya, I have to put something together for the KDE 4 talk yet17:00
nixternalthe documentation talk I will just use what I have used for the past 430824320 OpenWeeks :)17:00
nosrednaekim:)17:01
stdinwhich is "Oh god please help us! :s"?17:02
nixternalyou know it17:06
santiago-vemkay... back to the kernell testing17:21
nixternalhttp://start.ubuntu.com/8.04/ <- that looks sharp17:29
santiago-vewould look nicer if it had blue stuff arround...17:38
nixternalhehe, no doubt17:39
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daskrEEchhi gnomefreak19:05
gnomefreakhi daskrEEch19:07
jcastronixternal: you're up in about 2 hours!19:08
nixternaloh man, I gotta go, I won't be around...can' you do it jcastro?19:08
nixternalyou aren't falling for it are you?19:09
nixternalI had 'GOTCHA!' already typed out if you started to freak a bit :p19:09
jcastronixternal: I would have driven to chicago and killed you myself.19:15
nixternalcould we have gotten a drink first though?19:16
jcastrosure.19:16
nixternalgroovy19:16
* nixternal leaves for about 8 hours19:16
Riddelljpatrick: poke19:38
Riddelljpatrick: I've added a patch to bug 194474, the question is what will removing that while loop break?19:38
ubotuLaunchpad bug 194474 in kdelibs "[hardy] kded in loop (100%CPU) when using 'mount automatically'" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19447419:38
Riddelljpatrick: are you in contact with upstream?19:38
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Riddellplease test package at end of https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/19447420:28
ubotuLaunchpad bug 194474 in kdelibs "[hardy] kded in loop (100%CPU) when using 'mount automatically'" [Undecided,Confirmed]20:28
ScottKWill do once I get done finding out about the criminal history of my English ancestors: http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/index.jsp20:30
* daskrEEch waves at seele :-)21:10
* seele waves back21:10
daskrEEchHow are you?21:10
seelemore busy than i would like to be21:11
seelemoved in to a new place this past week.. so havent been able to do any oss work at all21:11
seele(infact, i'm a little bit behind in day job work too..)21:12
daskrEEchah right I recall you mentioning a move21:12
daskrEEchHope that goes well21:24
RiddellKubuntu talk in #ubuntu-classroom by the way21:25
apacheloggerRiddell: btw, isn't Saturday meetingday again?21:37
_sourcemakerwill there be a vmware-server repository available for hardy?21:42
* apachelogger places a whole plate of cookies on nixternal's desk21:59
funderburgGah!  Ended just before my question.   :-(21:59
* seele swipes a cookie from nixternal's desk21:59
nixternalhehe21:59
nixternalthat was fun!21:59
Arbynixternal: great show22:00
nosrednaekimfunderburg: oh i'm sorry! I didn't see that one :(22:00
nixternalfunderburg: ask away!22:00
funderburgno probs.  :-)   Was just wondering when we might see a knetworkmanager for kde4?22:00
funderburgusing the version for 3 is awkward.22:00
nixternalactually, I know someone who is playing around with that right now, so I am hoping that with the 0.7 release it won't be to far off22:00
apacheloggerfunderburg: knetworkmanager is mainly maintained by opensuse developers I think22:00
nosrednaekimfunderburg: there is actually a plasmoid for that in kde svn22:01
funderburgreally?  haven't come across it.  will look.22:01
Riddelltop stuff nixternal22:01
funderburgthanks nixternal!22:01
Riddellapachelogger: yes it should, but I'll be away22:01
nixternalthanks, we had a good turnout22:01
Riddellif someone else wants to organise it, you may22:02
wolfgernixternal: I ran `sudo apt-get install riddell` like you suggested, but it errored out. Fix that package, will you?22:02
nixternalmy keyboard is hot!22:02
nixternalwolfger: it is missing the irn-bru dependency22:03
apacheloggerRiddell: well, I think it would be cool to have a meeting in case someone from openweek wants to drop some thoughts22:04
* apachelogger votes for nixternal to organize the meeting :P22:04
nixternalgo figure22:04
nixternalI organize something, then I get blamed for it!22:04
nixternalhahahahaha22:04
nixternalthey are blaming in the classroom-chat already, thanks to daskrEEch!22:04
nosrednaekimlol :)22:05
apacheloggerhm22:06
apacheloggerok22:06
apacheloggernixternal: but, either you or I have to do it22:07
daskrEEchOk I'm going out for lunch/breakfast22:07
daskrEEchnixternal: you are off?22:07
apacheloggerafter all we are 2nd hottest kubuntu devs22:07
apacheloggerso...22:07
daskrEEchwho is in the class of First?22:07
nixternalhahaha22:07
nosrednaekimnixternal: at least it seems the guys enjoyed your jokes :)22:07
nixternalya, I want to go back and read the chat stuff22:08
daskrEEchYeah it was pretty dynamic :)22:08
daskrEEchnixternal: I wanna package 4.1 should I hang around for this next class?22:08
daskrEEchspeaking of packaging should we package Japser or just lean on them?22:09
apacheloggerjapser?22:10
ScottKnixternal: Thanks for the plug.22:11
apacheloggermaybe I don't break the meetings page while cleaning it22:12
apacheloggerRiddell: at what time do we do the Saturday meetings nowadays?22:12
apachelogger23UTC?22:12
Riddell11UTC it used to be22:13
daskrEEchapachelogger: Kopeet uses libjasper to do VV in KDE322:13
Riddellcould be 10UTC now22:13
daskrEEchthe license doesn't allow that in KDE422:13
daskrEEchso you need a Jasper executable in your path22:13
daskrEEchwe don't provide one22:13
apacheloggerany objections for 10 UTC?22:13
nixternalmy hands went num, but someone gave me a great idea on my next talk...i am scripting irssi to do my next talk to where I can just sit back and watch it22:14
daskrEEchI don't know if it's easier to make one or more correct to try and get the licensing changed22:14
nixternaldo 5 second triggers to print lines from a txt file :)22:14
apacheloggerIMO getting the licensing fixed is the better approach22:14
daskrEEchnixternal: I'll shoot all the pre arranged questions in the other room so no one will suspect anything22:14
daskrEEchapachelogger: Yeah me too22:14
daskrEEchI compiled it for myself personally here22:15
nixternalthat was a great crowd, great questions, great interaction...totally blows away my previous ones22:15
apacheloggerwe have 6 months time ;-)22:15
nixternalnow I gotta rock out something hardcore for the KDE 4 talk on Wednesday22:15
awen_ScottK: when at some point we are committing all our patches for guidance to the svn i have another patch to go with it ... and just poke me, if i should write some words about the changes22:15
apacheloggernixternal: just invite aseigo as co-talker22:15
nosrednaekimheh22:15
ScottKawen_: Riddell is the one to do it.  We need to bug him about it.22:16
nosrednaekimwould he do that?22:16
nixternalthat would rock it, but I think he is afk this week as he is having coffee with somebody not in Canada :)22:16
apacheloggerIMO he is not only the King of KDE22:18
apacheloggerbut also the one of traveling :P22:18
nixternalhehe22:18
awen_ScottK: okay ... either have him doing the commits, or get our own svn access <-- whatever Riddell prefers22:18
* ScottK is currently busy giving the bzr guy trouble in #ubuntu-classroom.22:19
Riddellawen_: commit messages for each patch would be good22:20
apacheloggerwhom do I have to poke to get the meeting fridged?22:20
Riddellnixternal22:20
jhutchins_wkUbotu's MIA.22:21
awen_Riddell: okay... i'll make a list of those and send to you22:22
daskrEEchnixternal: Ok I'll bug you about 4.1 packaging when I get back I'm starving22:24
apacheloggerwhile meeting.fridged() != true; poke("nixternal"); done22:24
Riddellthanks awen_22:25
apachelogger~topic sep |22:25
insanityTopic separator set to |22:25
apachelogger~topic add Next Meeting on Saturday May 03 @ 10 UTC - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings22:26
=== insanity changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | 8.04 Released http://kubuntu.org/news/8.04-release | Next Meeting on Saturday May 03 @ 10 UTC - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings
nixternalwow, that is lazy apachelogger22:26
apacheloggernixternal: I have shortcuts for insanity but not for /topic :P22:27
nixternalheh, Seveas quit and took all of the bots in a fit of rage22:27
nixternalno more ubotu22:27
daskrEEchHmm22:28
daskrEEchIs there a story behind that?22:28
nixternalapachelogger: is that 10am or 10pm?22:28
apacheloggerIMO there is no such thing as 10am UTC as UTC is 24-hour clock only22:32
apacheloggernever heard a pilot say xy pm at least ;-)22:33
yuriy13:40 PM ? :D22:34
apachelogger~topic replace 4 Next Meeting on Saturday May 03 @ 10 ante meridiem UTC - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings22:35
* apachelogger hopes that spelling is correct :S22:35
apacheloggerand that insanity stops lagging :S22:35
nosrednaekimmight want to make it later... nixternal nor I will probably be able to attend at that time..22:36
apacheloggerwe need the nixternal!22:36
nosrednaekimiam IIRC22:36
nixternalthey don't need me22:37
nosrednaekimmeridian22:37
=== insanity changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | 8.04 Released http://kubuntu.org/news/8.04-release | Next Meeting on Saturday May 03 @ 10 ante meridiem UTC - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings
apacheloggerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.m.22:37
apacheloggernixternal: what time would be doable for you?22:37
nixternalapachelogger: we switch our meetings between 10:00 and 22:00...the last meeting was 22:00, so this meeting will be 10:0022:40
nixternalUTC wise, any time after 14:00 works best for me, but I can always catch up later22:40
nosrednaekimoh right... forgot about that22:41
apacheloggerk22:41
apacheloggernixternal: please add it to the fridge then22:41
nixternalalready added :)22:42
apacheloggerawesomest22:42
* apachelogger gives nixternal milk for his cookies22:42
nixternalman, bzr has some great tools for packaging that I never knew about22:50
ScottKI gotta give james_w credit for an even temper.  I'd have jumped all over me by now.22:52
awen_Riddell: here you go: http://awen.dk/packages/guidance/ ... a new version of the gpmhelper is also there, please commit that one instead of the one in the package22:53
daskrEEchksnapshot seems to have a bug in KDE422:53
daskrEEchat least I can't get region to work :(22:53
JucatodaskrEEch: what version?22:54
daskrEEch0.8.122:55
daskrEEchProbably long fixed by now22:55
apacheloggernope22:55
apacheloggerstill appears in trunk IIRC22:55
JucatodaskrEEch: how is the region mode unusable?22:56
ScottKDoes edit bookmarks work in Konqueror on KDE4 for anyone else?22:56
nixternalScottK: it worked for me the other day as I imported and edited my old bookmarks22:57
ScottKI noticed that Konqueror for KDE3 on Hardy was importing old FF2 bookmarks and not the FF3 bookmarks.22:57
ScottKI was curious if KDE4 was the same.22:57
daskrEEchIt goes into a mode where you draw a square then it flashes a message saying press enter to take snapshot or esc to cancel22:57
ScottKOK.  Maybe it's just me then.  Was what on Hardy with Kubuntu packages?22:57
daskrEEch Neither key works though22:57
nixternalScottK: yes22:57
ScottKOK.22:57
JucatodaskrEEch: hm.. works here... from SVN snapshot 4.0.7022:58
nixternalI think i noticed the same thing you did though, it grabbed my ff2 bookmarks and not my ff3 ones22:58
nixternalI ended up exported the ff3 to html and importing them into konqi 4 that way22:58
daskrEEchJucato: Great :)22:58
ScottKThat'd be a bug then (probably a packaging bug though).22:58
daskrEEchJust needs arrows and ovals now and it's set22:58
daskrEEchI wonder if ksnapshot can use flake?22:58
daskrEEchJucato: BTW I'm a certified bachelor now22:59
JucatoO.o22:59
daskrEEchso if I turn up dead ina few weeks that would be why23:00
Jucatooh.... ok....23:00
* Jucato is still busy trying to figure out wth happened while he was sleeping23:01
JucatoI have a feeling it has something to do with nixternal...23:01
nixternalya, blame me!23:01
nosrednaekimJucato: Kubuntu Dev OpenWeek session23:01
daskrEEchMy Mom Immigrated leaving the family fortunes to me23:02
* Jucato just woke up23:02
JucatodaskrEEch: oh now you can be Kubuntu's sugar daddy23:02
nixternalnosrednaekim: rock on man for fielding the questions....awesome crowd today23:02
Jucatonixternal: at least you can take comfort in the fact that lovable, good people are always blamed for bad things ;)23:02
nosrednaekimdaskrEEch: that would be emmigrated23:03
nixternalwell, I am neither lovable or good people :p23:03
Jucatooh well, no comfort for you :P23:03
nosrednaekimNP... it was a good crowd23:03
nixternaldaskrEEch: where did she emigrate to?23:03
Jucatoactually, it would have been "migrated" afaik23:03
nixternalI can't believe only one "2nd class citizen" question came out23:03
Jucatoheheh it's gotten old by now23:04
nixternalI figured there would have been more23:04
nixternalI think Zonker put whoever asked that question up to it because of the openSUSE comment :p23:04
daskrEEchnosrednaekim: emmigrated is within a country isn't it?23:04
Jucatobut I saw one such question in the kubuntu forums... didn't bother reading fully or answering... because the argument was shite :)23:04
nosrednaekimdaskrEEch: no... its leaving a country for another23:04
daskrEEchnosrednaekim: immigration is within a single country?23:05
nixternalhrmm23:05
nixternalimmigration is leaving one country for another...otherwise it wouldn't be INS23:05
nosrednaekimdaskrEEch: immigration is coming INTO a country23:05
Jucatoex + migrate = emigrant = out of; in + migrate = immigrant = into23:05
nixternalINS is always raiding Chicago for immigrants23:05
daskrEEchHmm The Plasam Dictionary has them with nearly the same meaning23:06
Jucatoboth are leaving one country for another. the difference is the "direction", so to speak23:06
daskrEEchWe had this ina clss when I was 623:06
daskrEEch I remember it seeming significan't at the time ;)23:06
Jucatoif you meant "Plasma Dictionary".. then I wouldn't be surprised they nearly mean the same :)23:06
daskrEEchwell it's 17:0723:07
Jucatoin the Plasma Dictionary, desktop and panel nearly  mean the same too :P23:07
daskrEEchTime for breakfast23:07
nosrednaekimJucato: ^_^23:07
Jucatoimmigrate = to come *into* a country; emigrate = to go *out of* a country. both with the intentions of relocating permanently23:08
* Jucato *had* to look it up...23:09
* nosrednaekim dances23:10
* nosrednaekim didn't study all that vocabulary for the SAT for nothin ;P23:11
daskrEEchaw hell you are right23:12
daskrEEch that question was on the SAT23:12
daskrEEchI remember it now :)23:12
RiddellScottK: did you try that?23:44
NightroseRiddell: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-pack-kde-en/+bug/20334923:48
Nightrosethat is the bug aacid is talking about23:48
Riddellanyone asked carlos?23:56
emonkeyhm?23:58
emonkeyoh not me I think ...23:58

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