[01:10] <santiago-ve> hi guys, any of you is experiencing "strange" system freezes?
[08:27] <Serega> hey
[10:07] <Serega> Riddell: hey, how about to write gdebi for KDE4 on C++?
[10:07] <Riddell> Serega: why?
[10:08] <Serega> Riddell: personally, I feel more comfortable with C++ and tend to performance (minor)
[10:08] <Serega> Riddell: it's not a problem wit python, just a proposal
[10:08] <Serega> *with
[10:10] <Riddell> seems like an awful lot of work porting a pygtk app to c++
[10:10] <Serega> aaaagh....
[10:11] <Serega> Riddell: I forgot it's multiface...
[10:11] <Serega> question is disappeared :)
[10:17]  * comm_a_nder wishes kvim fpr kde4
[10:17] <comm_a_nder> *g*
[10:27] <Serega> comm_a_nder: it is present! ('konsole -e vim') :)
[10:29] <Riddell> maybe yzis will release one day
[10:37] <snikker> Sorry if i write here, but i've got no answer in #kubuntu. After upgrade to 8.04 all my ksplash screen are oversized... How can i see them at normal size?
[10:40] <Riddell> we don't use ksplash in 8.04, I'd recommend removing it
[10:40] <comm_a_nder> Serega: kind of ... :)
[10:42] <Serega> :)
[10:43] <snikker> Riddell: there is a replacemente for ksplash in 8.04?
[10:46] <comm_a_nder> but seriously, yzis seems to be dead am i the only one, wishing the power of vim inside a kde app with all the advantages of kde?
[10:47] <comm_a_nder> ah no, there is still action in yzis svn
[10:47]  * Hobbsee suggests gvim
[10:48] <Hobbsee> not kde, thouhg
[10:48] <Hobbsee> then again, it is a gui
[10:49] <comm_a_nder> jepp gvim has some features i like a lot but ist unfortunately gtk
[10:50] <comm_a_nder> not that bad, but not the best
[10:52] <Riddell> snikker: no
[10:53] <snikker> Riddell: ok, thanks
[10:53] <Hobbsee> comm_a_nder: go ahead and make it, then :)
[11:30] <Jucato> http://code.google.com/soc/2008/kde/appinfo.html?csaid=370F903C96FF67D1 <- "Vi-like, modal editing mode for Kate"
[12:48] <toscalix> hi, I've detected an issue about the installer ubuntu that I want to ask, or do you prefer I write it down in a e-mail to any list?
[12:50] <Riddell> toscalix: try evand, he's the installer man
[12:50] <toscalix> his e-mail?
[12:51] <Riddell> evand@ubuntu
[12:51] <toscalix> thanks
[13:00] <Riddell> seele: what's the irc channel peter sikking is on?
[13:04] <seele> Riddell: openusability
[13:04] <seele> guiguru
[13:28] <seaLne> Nightrose: any idea what happened to the kubuntu banner (thin white bannerwith poles at top and bottom) after frosscon?
[13:29] <seaLne> any other kubuntu-de folks about?
[13:35] <\sh> seaLne, what says czessi?
[13:37] <seaLne> Czessi: any idea what happened to the kubuntu banner that was at frosscon?
[13:37] <neversfelde|mobi> seaLne: I think it is in Berlin, but not sure
[13:38] <seaLne> neversfelde|mobi: could you find out and let me know please when you get a chance?
[13:38] <neversfelde|mobi> seaLne: will do
[13:38] <seaLne> great thanks
[13:41] <neversfelde|mobi> seaLne: this banner? http://www.kubuntu-de.org/bilder/events/linux-info-tag-dresden-2007
[13:41] <neversfelde|mobi> on the table
[13:42] <Riddell> gosh, we have lots of banners
[13:42] <Riddell> this one http://www.kubuntu-de.org/bilder/events/linux-info-tag-dresden-2007#img4
[13:42] <seaLne> the one on the right
[13:43] <neversfelde|mobi> :) ok.
[13:43] <seaLne> i don't think i've seen the stand in the middle of 4 before?
[13:44] <seaLne> or is that the standard one?
[13:45] <seaLne> the banner that was lying on the table might be usefull for the front of the kubuntu booth at akademy though
[13:47] <neversfelde|mobi> I think all banners are in Berlin waiting for Linux Tag
[13:47] <seaLne> thats before akademy anyway isn't it?
[13:48] <neversfelde|mobi> yes, I think so
[13:48] <neversfelde|mobi> end of may
[13:54] <Czessi> seaLne: i have all the both stuff here in berlin
[13:56] <Czessi> for linuxtag next month
[13:56] <seaLne> Czessi: what does it consist of?
[13:58] <Czessi> plastic plane
[15:29] <jpatrick> http://www.seqfault.de/files/hardy-thankyou.png <- awesome
[15:52] <Nightrose> seaLne: nope sorry - don't know what happened to it after that and I am not sure I saw it at cebit
[15:53] <Nightrose> back to class - cya
[15:56] <santiago-ve> mkay... back to the lockups problem
[15:56] <santiago-ve> >.<
[16:04] <santiago-ve> wish me luck guys!
[16:04] <nosrednaekim> :)
[16:45] <nixternal> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/RichardJohnson/OpenWeek/KubuntuDevel
[16:46] <nixternal> review that and see if I am missing anything from it and if it is decent for today's talk
[16:55] <Riddell> nixternal: looks all good to me
[16:55] <nixternal> hopefully it will get 30+ minutes of paste time and then open it up for questions
[16:57] <nosrednaekim> today?
[16:57] <stdin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[16:58] <nixternal> nosrednaekim: yup
[16:58] <nosrednaekim> that wasn't very well advertised this time
[16:58] <nixternal> sure it was, it was all over the planet the past week
[16:59]  * nosrednaekim doesn't read the planet <_<
[17:00] <nosrednaekim> anyway... lookin forward to that KDE4 talk
[17:00] <stdin> it's in the weekly newsletter too
[17:00] <nixternal> ya, I have to put something together for the KDE 4 talk yet
[17:00] <nixternal> the documentation talk I will just use what I have used for the past 430824320 OpenWeeks :)
[17:01] <nosrednaekim> :)
[17:02] <stdin> which is "Oh god please help us! :s"?
[17:06] <nixternal> you know it
[17:21] <santiago-ve> mkay... back to the kernell testing
[17:29] <nixternal> http://start.ubuntu.com/8.04/ <- that looks sharp
[17:38] <santiago-ve> would look nicer if it had blue stuff arround...
[17:39] <nixternal> hehe, no doubt
[19:05] <daskrEEch> hi gnomefreak
[19:07] <gnomefreak> hi daskrEEch
[19:08] <jcastro> nixternal: you're up in about 2 hours!
[19:08] <nixternal> oh man, I gotta go, I won't be around...can' you do it jcastro?
[19:09] <nixternal> you aren't falling for it are you?
[19:09] <nixternal> I had 'GOTCHA!' already typed out if you started to freak a bit :p
[19:15] <jcastro> nixternal: I would have driven to chicago and killed you myself.
[19:16] <nixternal> could we have gotten a drink first though?
[19:16] <jcastro> sure.
[19:16] <nixternal> groovy
[19:16]  * nixternal leaves for about 8 hours
[19:38] <Riddell> jpatrick: poke
[19:38] <Riddell> jpatrick: I've added a patch to bug 194474, the question is what will removing that while loop break?
[19:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194474 in kdelibs "[hardy] kded in loop (100%CPU) when using 'mount automatically'" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194474
[19:38] <Riddell> jpatrick: are you in contact with upstream?
[20:28] <Riddell> please test package at end of https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/194474
[20:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194474 in kdelibs "[hardy] kded in loop (100%CPU) when using 'mount automatically'" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[20:30] <ScottK> Will do once I get done finding out about the criminal history of my English ancestors: http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/index.jsp
[21:10]  * daskrEEch waves at seele  :-)
[21:10]  * seele waves back
[21:10] <daskrEEch> How are you?
[21:11] <seele> more busy than i would like to be
[21:11] <seele> moved in to a new place this past week.. so havent been able to do any oss work at all
[21:12] <seele> (infact, i'm a little bit behind in day job work too..)
[21:12] <daskrEEch> ah right I recall you mentioning a move
[21:24] <daskrEEch> Hope that goes well
[21:25] <Riddell> Kubuntu talk in #ubuntu-classroom by the way
[21:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, isn't Saturday meetingday again?
[21:42] <_sourcemaker> will there be a vmware-server repository available for hardy?
[21:59]  * apachelogger places a whole plate of cookies on nixternal's desk
[21:59] <funderburg> Gah!  Ended just before my question.   :-(
[21:59]  * seele swipes a cookie from nixternal's desk
[21:59] <nixternal> hehe
[21:59] <nixternal> that was fun!
[22:00] <Arby> nixternal: great show
[22:00] <nosrednaekim> funderburg: oh i'm sorry! I didn't see that one :(
[22:00] <nixternal> funderburg: ask away!
[22:00] <funderburg> no probs.  :-)   Was just wondering when we might see a knetworkmanager for kde4?
[22:00] <funderburg> using the version for 3 is awkward.
[22:00] <nixternal> actually, I know someone who is playing around with that right now, so I am hoping that with the 0.7 release it won't be to far off
[22:00] <apachelogger> funderburg: knetworkmanager is mainly maintained by opensuse developers I think
[22:01] <nosrednaekim> funderburg: there is actually a plasmoid for that in kde svn
[22:01] <funderburg> really?  haven't come across it.  will look.
[22:01] <Riddell> top stuff nixternal
[22:01] <funderburg> thanks nixternal!
[22:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes it should, but I'll be away
[22:01] <nixternal> thanks, we had a good turnout
[22:02] <Riddell> if someone else wants to organise it, you may
[22:02] <wolfger> nixternal: I ran `sudo apt-get install riddell` like you suggested, but it errored out. Fix that package, will you?
[22:02] <nixternal> my keyboard is hot!
[22:03] <nixternal> wolfger: it is missing the irn-bru dependency
[22:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, I think it would be cool to have a meeting in case someone from openweek wants to drop some thoughts
[22:04]  * apachelogger votes for nixternal to organize the meeting :P
[22:04] <nixternal> go figure
[22:04] <nixternal> I organize something, then I get blamed for it!
[22:04] <nixternal> hahahahaha
[22:04] <nixternal> they are blaming in the classroom-chat already, thanks to daskrEEch!
[22:05] <nosrednaekim> lol :)
[22:06] <apachelogger> hm
[22:06] <apachelogger> ok
[22:07] <apachelogger> nixternal: but, either you or I have to do it
[22:07] <daskrEEch> Ok I'm going out for lunch/breakfast
[22:07] <daskrEEch> nixternal: you are off?
[22:07] <apachelogger> after all we are 2nd hottest kubuntu devs
[22:07] <apachelogger> so...
[22:07] <daskrEEch> who is in the class of First?
[22:07] <nixternal> hahaha
[22:07] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: at least it seems the guys enjoyed your jokes :)
[22:08] <nixternal> ya, I want to go back and read the chat stuff
[22:08] <daskrEEch> Yeah it was pretty dynamic :)
[22:08] <daskrEEch> nixternal: I wanna package 4.1 should I hang around for this next class?
[22:09] <daskrEEch> speaking of packaging should we package Japser or just lean on them?
[22:10] <apachelogger> japser?
[22:11] <ScottK> nixternal: Thanks for the plug.
[22:12] <apachelogger> maybe I don't break the meetings page while cleaning it
[22:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: at what time do we do the Saturday meetings nowadays?
[22:12] <apachelogger> 23UTC?
[22:13] <Riddell> 11UTC it used to be
[22:13] <daskrEEch> apachelogger: Kopeet uses libjasper to do VV in KDE3
[22:13] <Riddell> could be 10UTC now
[22:13] <daskrEEch> the license doesn't allow that in KDE4
[22:13] <daskrEEch> so you need a Jasper executable in your path
[22:13] <daskrEEch> we don't provide one
[22:13] <apachelogger> any objections for 10 UTC?
[22:14] <nixternal> my hands went num, but someone gave me a great idea on my next talk...i am scripting irssi to do my next talk to where I can just sit back and watch it
[22:14] <daskrEEch> I don't know if it's easier to make one or more correct to try and get the licensing changed
[22:14] <nixternal> do 5 second triggers to print lines from a txt file :)
[22:14] <apachelogger> IMO getting the licensing fixed is the better approach
[22:14] <daskrEEch> nixternal: I'll shoot all the pre arranged questions in the other room so no one will suspect anything
[22:14] <daskrEEch> apachelogger: Yeah me too
[22:15] <daskrEEch> I compiled it for myself personally here
[22:15] <nixternal> that was a great crowd, great questions, great interaction...totally blows away my previous ones
[22:15] <apachelogger> we have 6 months time ;-)
[22:15] <nixternal> now I gotta rock out something hardcore for the KDE 4 talk on Wednesday
[22:15] <awen_> ScottK: when at some point we are committing all our patches for guidance to the svn i have another patch to go with it ... and just poke me, if i should write some words about the changes
[22:15] <apachelogger> nixternal: just invite aseigo as co-talker
[22:15] <nosrednaekim> heh
[22:16] <ScottK> awen_: Riddell is the one to do it.  We need to bug him about it.
[22:16] <nosrednaekim> would he do that?
[22:16] <nixternal> that would rock it, but I think he is afk this week as he is having coffee with somebody not in Canada :)
[22:18] <apachelogger> IMO he is not only the King of KDE
[22:18] <apachelogger> but also the one of traveling :P
[22:18] <nixternal> hehe
[22:18] <awen_> ScottK: okay ... either have him doing the commits, or get our own svn access <-- whatever Riddell prefers
[22:19]  * ScottK is currently busy giving the bzr guy trouble in #ubuntu-classroom.
[22:20] <Riddell> awen_: commit messages for each patch would be good
[22:20] <apachelogger> whom do I have to poke to get the meeting fridged?
[22:20] <Riddell> nixternal
[22:21] <jhutchins_wk> Ubotu's MIA.
[22:22] <awen_> Riddell: okay... i'll make a list of those and send to you
[22:24] <daskrEEch> nixternal: Ok I'll bug you about 4.1 packaging when I get back I'm starving
[22:24] <apachelogger> while meeting.fridged() != true; poke("nixternal"); done
[22:25] <Riddell> thanks awen_
[22:25] <apachelogger> ~topic sep |
[22:25] <insanity> Topic separator set to |
[22:26] <apachelogger> ~topic add Next Meeting on Saturday May 03 @ 10 UTC - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings
[22:26] <nixternal> wow, that is lazy apachelogger
[22:27] <apachelogger> nixternal: I have shortcuts for insanity but not for /topic :P
[22:27] <nixternal> heh, Seveas quit and took all of the bots in a fit of rage
[22:27] <nixternal> no more ubotu
[22:28] <daskrEEch> Hmm
[22:28] <daskrEEch> Is there a story behind that?
[22:28] <nixternal> apachelogger: is that 10am or 10pm?
[22:32] <apachelogger> IMO there is no such thing as 10am UTC as UTC is 24-hour clock only
[22:33] <apachelogger> never heard a pilot say xy pm at least ;-)
[22:34] <yuriy> 13:40 PM ? :D
[22:35] <apachelogger> ~topic replace 4 Next Meeting on Saturday May 03 @ 10 ante meridiem UTC - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings
[22:35]  * apachelogger hopes that spelling is correct :S
[22:35] <apachelogger> and that insanity stops lagging :S
[22:36] <nosrednaekim> might want to make it later... nixternal nor I will probably be able to attend at that time..
[22:36] <apachelogger> we need the nixternal!
[22:36] <nosrednaekim> iam IIRC
[22:37] <nixternal> they don't need me
[22:37] <nosrednaekim> meridian
[22:37] <apachelogger> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.m.
[22:37] <apachelogger> nixternal: what time would be doable for you?
[22:40] <nixternal> apachelogger: we switch our meetings between 10:00 and 22:00...the last meeting was 22:00, so this meeting will be 10:00
[22:40] <nixternal> UTC wise, any time after 14:00 works best for me, but I can always catch up later
[22:41] <nosrednaekim> oh right... forgot about that
[22:41] <apachelogger> k
[22:41] <apachelogger> nixternal: please add it to the fridge then
[22:42] <nixternal> already added :)
[22:42] <apachelogger> awesomest
[22:42]  * apachelogger gives nixternal milk for his cookies
[22:50] <nixternal> man, bzr has some great tools for packaging that I never knew about
[22:52] <ScottK> I gotta give james_w credit for an even temper.  I'd have jumped all over me by now.
[22:53] <awen_> Riddell: here you go: http://awen.dk/packages/guidance/ ... a new version of the gpmhelper is also there, please commit that one instead of the one in the package
[22:53] <daskrEEch> ksnapshot seems to have a bug in KDE4
[22:53] <daskrEEch> at least I can't get region to work :(
[22:54] <Jucato> daskrEEch: what version?
[22:55] <daskrEEch> 0.8.1
[22:55] <daskrEEch> Probably long fixed by now
[22:55] <apachelogger> nope
[22:55] <apachelogger> still appears in trunk IIRC
[22:56] <Jucato> daskrEEch: how is the region mode unusable?
[22:56] <ScottK> Does edit bookmarks work in Konqueror on KDE4 for anyone else?
[22:57] <nixternal> ScottK: it worked for me the other day as I imported and edited my old bookmarks
[22:57] <ScottK> I noticed that Konqueror for KDE3 on Hardy was importing old FF2 bookmarks and not the FF3 bookmarks.
[22:57] <ScottK> I was curious if KDE4 was the same.
[22:57] <daskrEEch> It goes into a mode where you draw a square then it flashes a message saying press enter to take snapshot or esc to cancel
[22:57] <ScottK> OK.  Maybe it's just me then.  Was what on Hardy with Kubuntu packages?
[22:57] <daskrEEch>  Neither key works though
[22:57] <nixternal> ScottK: yes
[22:57] <ScottK> OK.
[22:58] <Jucato> daskrEEch: hm.. works here... from SVN snapshot 4.0.70
[22:58] <nixternal> I think i noticed the same thing you did though, it grabbed my ff2 bookmarks and not my ff3 ones
[22:58] <nixternal> I ended up exported the ff3 to html and importing them into konqi 4 that way
[22:58] <daskrEEch> Jucato: Great :)
[22:58] <ScottK> That'd be a bug then (probably a packaging bug though).
[22:58] <daskrEEch> Just needs arrows and ovals now and it's set
[22:58] <daskrEEch> I wonder if ksnapshot can use flake?
[22:59] <daskrEEch> Jucato: BTW I'm a certified bachelor now
[22:59] <Jucato> O.o
[23:00] <daskrEEch> so if I turn up dead ina few weeks that would be why
[23:00] <Jucato> oh.... ok....
[23:01]  * Jucato is still busy trying to figure out wth happened while he was sleeping
[23:01] <Jucato> I have a feeling it has something to do with nixternal...
[23:01] <nixternal> ya, blame me!
[23:01] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: Kubuntu Dev OpenWeek session
[23:02] <daskrEEch> My Mom Immigrated leaving the family fortunes to me
[23:02]  * Jucato just woke up
[23:02] <Jucato> daskrEEch: oh now you can be Kubuntu's sugar daddy
[23:02] <nixternal> nosrednaekim: rock on man for fielding the questions....awesome crowd today
[23:02] <Jucato> nixternal: at least you can take comfort in the fact that lovable, good people are always blamed for bad things ;)
[23:03] <nosrednaekim> daskrEEch: that would be emmigrated
[23:03] <nixternal> well, I am neither lovable or good people :p
[23:03] <Jucato> oh well, no comfort for you :P
[23:03] <nosrednaekim> NP... it was a good crowd
[23:03] <nixternal> daskrEEch: where did she emigrate to?
[23:03] <Jucato> actually, it would have been "migrated" afaik
[23:03] <nixternal> I can't believe only one "2nd class citizen" question came out
[23:04] <Jucato> heheh it's gotten old by now
[23:04] <nixternal> I figured there would have been more
[23:04] <nixternal> I think Zonker put whoever asked that question up to it because of the openSUSE comment :p
[23:04] <daskrEEch> nosrednaekim: emmigrated is within a country isn't it?
[23:04] <Jucato> but I saw one such question in the kubuntu forums... didn't bother reading fully or answering... because the argument was shite :)
[23:04] <nosrednaekim> daskrEEch: no... its leaving a country for another
[23:05] <daskrEEch> nosrednaekim: immigration is within a single country?
[23:05] <nixternal> hrmm
[23:05] <nixternal> immigration is leaving one country for another...otherwise it wouldn't be INS
[23:05] <nosrednaekim> daskrEEch: immigration is coming INTO a country
[23:05] <Jucato> ex + migrate = emigrant = out of; in + migrate = immigrant = into
[23:05] <nixternal> INS is always raiding Chicago for immigrants
[23:06] <daskrEEch> Hmm The Plasam Dictionary has them with nearly the same meaning
[23:06] <Jucato> both are leaving one country for another. the difference is the "direction", so to speak
[23:06] <daskrEEch> We had this ina clss when I was 6
[23:06] <daskrEEch>  I remember it seeming significan't at the time ;)
[23:06] <Jucato> if you meant "Plasma Dictionary".. then I wouldn't be surprised they nearly mean the same :)
[23:07] <daskrEEch> well it's 17:07
[23:07] <Jucato> in the Plasma Dictionary, desktop and panel nearly  mean the same too :P
[23:07] <daskrEEch> Time for breakfast
[23:07] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: ^_^
[23:08] <Jucato> immigrate = to come *into* a country; emigrate = to go *out of* a country. both with the intentions of relocating permanently
[23:09]  * Jucato *had* to look it up...
[23:10]  * nosrednaekim dances
[23:11]  * nosrednaekim didn't study all that vocabulary for the SAT for nothin ;P
[23:12] <daskrEEch> aw hell you are right
[23:12] <daskrEEch>  that question was on the SAT
[23:12] <daskrEEch> I remember it now :)
[23:44] <Riddell> ScottK: did you try that?
[23:48] <Nightrose> Riddell: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-pack-kde-en/+bug/203349
[23:48] <Nightrose> that is the bug aacid is talking about
[23:56] <Riddell> anyone asked carlos?
[23:58] <emonkey> hm?
[23:58] <emonkey> oh not me I think ...