=== jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna === DaSkreech is now known as SonicDH-Hog [01:10] hi guys, any of you is experiencing "strange" system freezes? === santiago-php is now known as santiago-ve === gnomefre1k is now known as gnomefreak === santiago-php is now known as santiago-ve === santiago-php is now known as santiago-ve === SonicDH-Hog is now known as DaSkreech [08:27] hey === stdin_ is now known as stdin === smarter_ is now known as smarte === smarte is now known as smarter === hunger_t is now known as hunger [10:07] Riddell: hey, how about to write gdebi for KDE4 on C++? [10:07] Serega: why? [10:08] Riddell: personally, I feel more comfortable with C++ and tend to performance (minor) [10:08] Riddell: it's not a problem wit python, just a proposal [10:08] *with [10:10] seems like an awful lot of work porting a pygtk app to c++ [10:10] aaaagh.... [10:11] Riddell: I forgot it's multiface... [10:11] question is disappeared :) [10:17] * comm_a_nder wishes kvim fpr kde4 [10:17] *g* [10:27] comm_a_nder: it is present! ('konsole -e vim') :) [10:29] maybe yzis will release one day [10:37] Sorry if i write here, but i've got no answer in #kubuntu. After upgrade to 8.04 all my ksplash screen are oversized... How can i see them at normal size? [10:40] we don't use ksplash in 8.04, I'd recommend removing it [10:40] Serega: kind of ... :) [10:42] :) [10:43] Riddell: there is a replacemente for ksplash in 8.04? [10:46] but seriously, yzis seems to be dead am i the only one, wishing the power of vim inside a kde app with all the advantages of kde? [10:47] ah no, there is still action in yzis svn [10:47] * Hobbsee suggests gvim [10:48] not kde, thouhg [10:48] then again, it is a gui [10:49] jepp gvim has some features i like a lot but ist unfortunately gtk [10:50] not that bad, but not the best [10:52] snikker: no [10:53] Riddell: ok, thanks [10:53] comm_a_nder: go ahead and make it, then :) [11:30] http://code.google.com/soc/2008/kde/appinfo.html?csaid=370F903C96FF67D1 <- "Vi-like, modal editing mode for Kate" [12:48] hi, I've detected an issue about the installer ubuntu that I want to ask, or do you prefer I write it down in a e-mail to any list? [12:50] toscalix: try evand, he's the installer man [12:50] his e-mail? [12:51] evand@ubuntu [12:51] thanks [13:00] seele: what's the irc channel peter sikking is on? [13:04] Riddell: openusability [13:04] guiguru === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_ === davmor2 is now known as davmor2_lunch [13:28] Nightrose: any idea what happened to the kubuntu banner (thin white bannerwith poles at top and bottom) after frosscon? [13:29] any other kubuntu-de folks about? [13:35] <\sh> seaLne, what says czessi? [13:37] Czessi: any idea what happened to the kubuntu banner that was at frosscon? [13:37] seaLne: I think it is in Berlin, but not sure [13:38] neversfelde|mobi: could you find out and let me know please when you get a chance? [13:38] seaLne: will do [13:38] great thanks [13:41] seaLne: this banner? http://www.kubuntu-de.org/bilder/events/linux-info-tag-dresden-2007 [13:41] on the table [13:42] gosh, we have lots of banners [13:42] this one http://www.kubuntu-de.org/bilder/events/linux-info-tag-dresden-2007#img4 [13:42] the one on the right [13:43] :) ok. [13:43] i don't think i've seen the stand in the middle of 4 before? [13:44] or is that the standard one? [13:45] the banner that was lying on the table might be usefull for the front of the kubuntu booth at akademy though [13:47] I think all banners are in Berlin waiting for Linux Tag [13:47] thats before akademy anyway isn't it? [13:48] yes, I think so [13:48] end of may [13:54] seaLne: i have all the both stuff here in berlin [13:56] for linuxtag next month [13:56] Czessi: what does it consist of? [13:58] plastic plane === davmor2_lunch is now known as davmor2 [15:29] http://www.seqfault.de/files/hardy-thankyou.png <- awesome === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_ [15:52] seaLne: nope sorry - don't know what happened to it after that and I am not sure I saw it at cebit [15:53] back to class - cya [15:56] mkay... back to the lockups problem [15:56] >.< [16:04] wish me luck guys! [16:04] :) [16:45] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/RichardJohnson/OpenWeek/KubuntuDevel [16:46] review that and see if I am missing anything from it and if it is decent for today's talk === _Czessi is now known as Czessi [16:55] nixternal: looks all good to me [16:55] hopefully it will get 30+ minutes of paste time and then open it up for questions [16:57] today? [16:57] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek [16:58] nosrednaekim: yup [16:58] that wasn't very well advertised this time [16:58] sure it was, it was all over the planet the past week [16:59] * nosrednaekim doesn't read the planet <_< [17:00] anyway... lookin forward to that KDE4 talk [17:00] it's in the weekly newsletter too [17:00] ya, I have to put something together for the KDE 4 talk yet [17:00] the documentation talk I will just use what I have used for the past 430824320 OpenWeeks :) [17:01] :) [17:02] which is "Oh god please help us! :s"? [17:06] you know it [17:21] mkay... back to the kernell testing [17:29] http://start.ubuntu.com/8.04/ <- that looks sharp [17:38] would look nicer if it had blue stuff arround... [17:39] hehe, no doubt === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna === gnomefre1k is now known as gnomefreak === santiago-php is now known as santiago-ve === gnomefre1k is now known as gnomefreak [19:05] hi gnomefreak [19:07] hi daskrEEch [19:08] nixternal: you're up in about 2 hours! [19:08] oh man, I gotta go, I won't be around...can' you do it jcastro? [19:09] you aren't falling for it are you? [19:09] I had 'GOTCHA!' already typed out if you started to freak a bit :p [19:15] nixternal: I would have driven to chicago and killed you myself. [19:16] could we have gotten a drink first though? [19:16] sure. [19:16] groovy [19:16] * nixternal leaves for about 8 hours [19:38] jpatrick: poke [19:38] jpatrick: I've added a patch to bug 194474, the question is what will removing that while loop break? [19:38] Launchpad bug 194474 in kdelibs "[hardy] kded in loop (100%CPU) when using 'mount automatically'" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194474 [19:38] jpatrick: are you in contact with upstream? === gnomefre1k is now known as gnomefreak [20:28] please test package at end of https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/194474 [20:28] Launchpad bug 194474 in kdelibs "[hardy] kded in loop (100%CPU) when using 'mount automatically'" [Undecided,Confirmed] [20:30] Will do once I get done finding out about the criminal history of my English ancestors: http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/index.jsp [21:10] * daskrEEch waves at seele :-) [21:10] * seele waves back [21:10] How are you? [21:11] more busy than i would like to be [21:11] moved in to a new place this past week.. so havent been able to do any oss work at all [21:12] (infact, i'm a little bit behind in day job work too..) [21:12] ah right I recall you mentioning a move [21:24] Hope that goes well [21:25] Kubuntu talk in #ubuntu-classroom by the way [21:37] Riddell: btw, isn't Saturday meetingday again? [21:42] <_sourcemaker> will there be a vmware-server repository available for hardy? [21:59] * apachelogger places a whole plate of cookies on nixternal's desk [21:59] Gah! Ended just before my question. :-( [21:59] * seele swipes a cookie from nixternal's desk [21:59] hehe [21:59] that was fun! [22:00] nixternal: great show [22:00] funderburg: oh i'm sorry! I didn't see that one :( [22:00] funderburg: ask away! [22:00] no probs. :-) Was just wondering when we might see a knetworkmanager for kde4? [22:00] using the version for 3 is awkward. [22:00] actually, I know someone who is playing around with that right now, so I am hoping that with the 0.7 release it won't be to far off [22:00] funderburg: knetworkmanager is mainly maintained by opensuse developers I think [22:01] funderburg: there is actually a plasmoid for that in kde svn [22:01] really? haven't come across it. will look. [22:01] top stuff nixternal [22:01] thanks nixternal! [22:01] apachelogger: yes it should, but I'll be away [22:01] thanks, we had a good turnout [22:02] if someone else wants to organise it, you may [22:02] nixternal: I ran `sudo apt-get install riddell` like you suggested, but it errored out. Fix that package, will you? [22:02] my keyboard is hot! [22:03] wolfger: it is missing the irn-bru dependency [22:04] Riddell: well, I think it would be cool to have a meeting in case someone from openweek wants to drop some thoughts [22:04] * apachelogger votes for nixternal to organize the meeting :P [22:04] go figure [22:04] I organize something, then I get blamed for it! [22:04] hahahahaha [22:04] they are blaming in the classroom-chat already, thanks to daskrEEch! [22:05] lol :) [22:06] hm [22:06] ok [22:07] nixternal: but, either you or I have to do it [22:07] Ok I'm going out for lunch/breakfast [22:07] nixternal: you are off? [22:07] after all we are 2nd hottest kubuntu devs [22:07] so... [22:07] who is in the class of First? [22:07] hahaha [22:07] nixternal: at least it seems the guys enjoyed your jokes :) [22:08] ya, I want to go back and read the chat stuff [22:08] Yeah it was pretty dynamic :) [22:08] nixternal: I wanna package 4.1 should I hang around for this next class? [22:09] speaking of packaging should we package Japser or just lean on them? [22:10] japser? [22:11] nixternal: Thanks for the plug. [22:12] maybe I don't break the meetings page while cleaning it [22:12] Riddell: at what time do we do the Saturday meetings nowadays? [22:12] 23UTC? [22:13] 11UTC it used to be [22:13] apachelogger: Kopeet uses libjasper to do VV in KDE3 [22:13] could be 10UTC now [22:13] the license doesn't allow that in KDE4 [22:13] so you need a Jasper executable in your path [22:13] we don't provide one [22:13] any objections for 10 UTC? [22:14] my hands went num, but someone gave me a great idea on my next talk...i am scripting irssi to do my next talk to where I can just sit back and watch it [22:14] I don't know if it's easier to make one or more correct to try and get the licensing changed [22:14] do 5 second triggers to print lines from a txt file :) [22:14] IMO getting the licensing fixed is the better approach [22:14] nixternal: I'll shoot all the pre arranged questions in the other room so no one will suspect anything [22:14] apachelogger: Yeah me too [22:15] I compiled it for myself personally here [22:15] that was a great crowd, great questions, great interaction...totally blows away my previous ones [22:15] we have 6 months time ;-) [22:15] now I gotta rock out something hardcore for the KDE 4 talk on Wednesday [22:15] ScottK: when at some point we are committing all our patches for guidance to the svn i have another patch to go with it ... and just poke me, if i should write some words about the changes [22:15] nixternal: just invite aseigo as co-talker [22:15] heh [22:16] awen_: Riddell is the one to do it. We need to bug him about it. [22:16] would he do that? [22:16] that would rock it, but I think he is afk this week as he is having coffee with somebody not in Canada :) [22:18] IMO he is not only the King of KDE [22:18] but also the one of traveling :P [22:18] hehe [22:18] ScottK: okay ... either have him doing the commits, or get our own svn access <-- whatever Riddell prefers [22:19] * ScottK is currently busy giving the bzr guy trouble in #ubuntu-classroom. [22:20] awen_: commit messages for each patch would be good [22:20] whom do I have to poke to get the meeting fridged? [22:20] nixternal [22:21] Ubotu's MIA. [22:22] Riddell: okay... i'll make a list of those and send to you [22:24] nixternal: Ok I'll bug you about 4.1 packaging when I get back I'm starving [22:24] while meeting.fridged() != true; poke("nixternal"); done [22:25] thanks awen_ [22:25] ~topic sep | [22:25] Topic separator set to | [22:26] ~topic add Next Meeting on Saturday May 03 @ 10 UTC - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings === insanity changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | 8.04 Released http://kubuntu.org/news/8.04-release | Next Meeting on Saturday May 03 @ 10 UTC - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings [22:26] wow, that is lazy apachelogger [22:27] nixternal: I have shortcuts for insanity but not for /topic :P [22:27] heh, Seveas quit and took all of the bots in a fit of rage [22:27] no more ubotu [22:28] Hmm [22:28] Is there a story behind that? [22:28] apachelogger: is that 10am or 10pm? [22:32] IMO there is no such thing as 10am UTC as UTC is 24-hour clock only [22:33] never heard a pilot say xy pm at least ;-) [22:34] 13:40 PM ? :D [22:35] ~topic replace 4 Next Meeting on Saturday May 03 @ 10 ante meridiem UTC - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings [22:35] * apachelogger hopes that spelling is correct :S [22:35] and that insanity stops lagging :S [22:36] might want to make it later... nixternal nor I will probably be able to attend at that time.. [22:36] we need the nixternal! [22:36] iam IIRC [22:37] they don't need me [22:37] meridian === insanity changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | 8.04 Released http://kubuntu.org/news/8.04-release | Next Meeting on Saturday May 03 @ 10 ante meridiem UTC - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings [22:37] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.m. [22:37] nixternal: what time would be doable for you? [22:40] apachelogger: we switch our meetings between 10:00 and 22:00...the last meeting was 22:00, so this meeting will be 10:00 [22:40] UTC wise, any time after 14:00 works best for me, but I can always catch up later [22:41] oh right... forgot about that [22:41] k [22:41] nixternal: please add it to the fridge then [22:42] already added :) [22:42] awesomest [22:42] * apachelogger gives nixternal milk for his cookies [22:50] man, bzr has some great tools for packaging that I never knew about [22:52] I gotta give james_w credit for an even temper. I'd have jumped all over me by now. [22:53] Riddell: here you go: http://awen.dk/packages/guidance/ ... a new version of the gpmhelper is also there, please commit that one instead of the one in the package [22:53] ksnapshot seems to have a bug in KDE4 [22:53] at least I can't get region to work :( [22:54] daskrEEch: what version? [22:55] 0.8.1 [22:55] Probably long fixed by now [22:55] nope [22:55] still appears in trunk IIRC [22:56] daskrEEch: how is the region mode unusable? [22:56] Does edit bookmarks work in Konqueror on KDE4 for anyone else? [22:57] ScottK: it worked for me the other day as I imported and edited my old bookmarks [22:57] I noticed that Konqueror for KDE3 on Hardy was importing old FF2 bookmarks and not the FF3 bookmarks. [22:57] I was curious if KDE4 was the same. [22:57] It goes into a mode where you draw a square then it flashes a message saying press enter to take snapshot or esc to cancel [22:57] OK. Maybe it's just me then. Was what on Hardy with Kubuntu packages? [22:57] Neither key works though [22:57] ScottK: yes [22:57] OK. [22:58] daskrEEch: hm.. works here... from SVN snapshot 4.0.70 [22:58] I think i noticed the same thing you did though, it grabbed my ff2 bookmarks and not my ff3 ones [22:58] I ended up exported the ff3 to html and importing them into konqi 4 that way [22:58] Jucato: Great :) [22:58] That'd be a bug then (probably a packaging bug though). [22:58] Just needs arrows and ovals now and it's set [22:58] I wonder if ksnapshot can use flake? [22:59] Jucato: BTW I'm a certified bachelor now [22:59] O.o [23:00] so if I turn up dead ina few weeks that would be why [23:00] oh.... ok.... [23:01] * Jucato is still busy trying to figure out wth happened while he was sleeping [23:01] I have a feeling it has something to do with nixternal... [23:01] ya, blame me! [23:01] Jucato: Kubuntu Dev OpenWeek session [23:02] My Mom Immigrated leaving the family fortunes to me [23:02] * Jucato just woke up [23:02] daskrEEch: oh now you can be Kubuntu's sugar daddy [23:02] nosrednaekim: rock on man for fielding the questions....awesome crowd today [23:02] nixternal: at least you can take comfort in the fact that lovable, good people are always blamed for bad things ;) [23:03] daskrEEch: that would be emmigrated [23:03] well, I am neither lovable or good people :p [23:03] oh well, no comfort for you :P [23:03] NP... it was a good crowd [23:03] daskrEEch: where did she emigrate to? [23:03] actually, it would have been "migrated" afaik [23:03] I can't believe only one "2nd class citizen" question came out [23:04] heheh it's gotten old by now [23:04] I figured there would have been more [23:04] I think Zonker put whoever asked that question up to it because of the openSUSE comment :p [23:04] nosrednaekim: emmigrated is within a country isn't it? [23:04] but I saw one such question in the kubuntu forums... didn't bother reading fully or answering... because the argument was shite :) [23:04] daskrEEch: no... its leaving a country for another [23:05] nosrednaekim: immigration is within a single country? [23:05] hrmm [23:05] immigration is leaving one country for another...otherwise it wouldn't be INS [23:05] daskrEEch: immigration is coming INTO a country [23:05] ex + migrate = emigrant = out of; in + migrate = immigrant = into [23:05] INS is always raiding Chicago for immigrants [23:06] Hmm The Plasam Dictionary has them with nearly the same meaning [23:06] both are leaving one country for another. the difference is the "direction", so to speak [23:06] We had this ina clss when I was 6 [23:06] I remember it seeming significan't at the time ;) [23:06] if you meant "Plasma Dictionary".. then I wouldn't be surprised they nearly mean the same :) [23:07] well it's 17:07 [23:07] in the Plasma Dictionary, desktop and panel nearly mean the same too :P [23:07] Time for breakfast [23:07] Jucato: ^_^ [23:08] immigrate = to come *into* a country; emigrate = to go *out of* a country. both with the intentions of relocating permanently [23:09] * Jucato *had* to look it up... [23:10] * nosrednaekim dances [23:11] * nosrednaekim didn't study all that vocabulary for the SAT for nothin ;P [23:12] aw hell you are right [23:12] that question was on the SAT [23:12] I remember it now :) [23:44] ScottK: did you try that? [23:48] Riddell: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-pack-kde-en/+bug/203349 [23:48] that is the bug aacid is talking about [23:56] anyone asked carlos? [23:58] hm? [23:58] oh not me I think ...