[03:10] <ubotu> New bug: #223406 in launchpad-bazaar "we call requestMirror way too often" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/223406
[07:06] <ubotu> New bug: #223479 in malone "dpkg lock file constantly created after adding Medibuntu repository " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/223479
[07:17] <carlos> morning
[07:21] <ubotu> New bug: #223482 in launchpad "Launchpad should make external files cacheable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/223482
[09:10] <ubotu> New bug: #223522 in meta-lp-deps "Add `fakeroot` dependency" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/223522
[09:13]  * Hobbsee waves to allenap
[09:13] <allenap> Hi Hobbsee :)
[09:13] <Hobbsee> :)
[09:16] <RAOF> Heya Hobbsee.
[09:16] <ubotu> New bug: #217891 in apport (main) "502 error on reporting big crash reports (dup-of: 95822)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217891
[09:16] <Hobbsee> RAOF!
[09:17] <RAOF> Hobbsee: I've got a shiny old CRT to test nouveau on, thanks to council cleanup day.  Yay discarded working stuff!
[09:18] <Hobbsee> RAOF: nice work!
[09:18] <RAOF> I've now got the full set - LVDS, DVI and VGA :)
[09:19] <RAOF> On the down side, my arms are now rubbery.
[09:33] <jamesh> RAOF: now all you need is DisplayPort
[09:33] <jamesh> and HDMI
[09:34] <bigjools> hdmi is the same as dvi, plus sound
[09:35] <Hobbsee> morning mrevell 
[09:35] <jamesh> and encryption
[09:35] <mrevell> hi hi
[09:36] <wgrant> jamesh: DisplayPort? Is that some Apple thing?
[09:37] <jamesh> wgrant: nope.  It is the successor to DVI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort
[09:37] <jamesh> potentially also the successor to HDMI
[09:37] <bigjools> yay for standards, there's so many to choose from
[09:37] <RAOF> jamesh: But you can get (and I've got) DVI->HDMI cables, so the encryption isn't mandatory.
[09:37] <wgrant> jamesh: Ah, better.
[09:40] <jamesh> it is also meant to be the successor to LVDS
[09:40] <jamesh> so it should result in a net decrease in display technologies once it takes over
[09:41] <wgrant> jamesh: Except that something will probably overtake it first.
[09:41] <wgrant> And fragment the market.
[09:41] <wgrant> Again.
[09:43] <jamesh> well, it beats DVI where you need to increase the pin count every time you hit the maximum resolution
[09:44] <wgrant> Didn't know you needed to do that.
[09:44] <jamesh> well, you can always drop the refresh rate to get higher resolutions
[09:44] <jamesh> but there is an upper limit on the bandwidth of a single DVI link
[09:45] <jamesh> if you exceed that limit you need dual link DVI (all pins in the DVI connector hooked up rather than half) or more
[09:47] <wgrant> DisplayPort has lovely provisions for DRM, I see. Determining proximity!? Ew.
[09:48] <jamesh> probably similar technology to that used in ethernet cable testers
[09:48] <wgrant> I'd assume so, but still seems like overkill.
[09:51] <mantiena-baltix> Hi all
[09:53] <mantiena-baltix> I can't find anywhere what are dependancies in PPA (there is a link, named "Edit depentancies" in left menu)
[09:53] <mantiena-baltix> Maybe anyone could point me to some info ?
[09:54]  * Hobbsee grins
[09:54] <wgrant> mantiena-baltix: They're useful if you want to build-depend on packages in other PPAs.
[09:54]  * Hobbsee has already reported that as a bug.
[09:54] <Hobbsee> but what wgrant said
[09:54] <wgrant> Although one can copy packages to serve that purpose these days.
[09:55] <rexium> mantiena-baltix: with ppa, the buildd handles deps in this order (iirc) packages in the ppa > packages in ppa dependacies > ubuntu archive
[09:58] <cprov> rexium: not in a specific order, apt will install the highest version available from any of those locations.
[09:59] <mantiena-baltix> wgrant, rexium: so, I should add telepathy PPA into my PPA depentancies if I wanna build empathy for Gutsy and wanna have newer build-depentances from telepathy PPA 
[09:59] <wgrant> mantiena-baltix: Correct.
[10:00] <ubotu> New bug: #223546 in launchpad "FAQ hit links in launchpad answers do not work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/223546
[10:01] <Hobbsee> morning sabdfl 
[10:03] <wgrant> bigjools: Yay! I see s-i-s is actually happening!
[10:03] <bigjools> wgrant: indeed - it needs some infrastructure work yet but the code is all done
[10:03] <bigjools> barring any bugs anyway :)
[10:03] <Hobbsee> wgrant: will that be reserved for intrepid now, after a few months of testing in parallel withthe current dak?
[10:09] <cjwatson> Hey folks - I'd like the aid of a Launchpad admin to create the intrepid distroseries for Ubuntu
[10:09] <cjwatson> I can fill in the blanks, once the distroseries exists and has its announcement address set to intrepid-changes@lists.ubuntu.com
[10:10] <cjwatson> also, it should have its upload status set to "Pre-release freeze" for now
[10:15] <bigjools> cjwatson: SteveA might be able to help since kiko is away
[10:15] <cjwatson> SteveA: ^--
[10:15] <SteveA> hello cjwatson 
[10:15] <cjwatson> SteveA: it's been tested as far as running initialise-from-parent successfully on dogfood, FYI
[10:16] <cjwatson> (thanks to cprov)
[10:17] <SteveA> kiko is back on wednesday.  can it wait until then?
[10:18] <cjwatson> I wouldn't say it's super-urgent, but it's near the start of a fairly long chain of dependencies in getting the next release cycle going so I would like to start sooner rather than later
[10:18] <cjwatson> but if Wednesday is the way it has to be ...
[10:18] <SteveA> I've never done it, so I'd be acting as automatic waldos for bigjools and cprov.
[10:19] <cjwatson> alternatively I have a vague memory that elmo's done it in the past
[10:20] <cprov> cjwatson: yes, elmo has done it for the past series.
[10:20] <SteveA> if so, I'd be more comfortable with elmo doing it.  If you think it's a great advantage for it to happen today, and elmo isn't available, then let me know.
[10:21]  * cjwatson <- not really sure why distroseries operations tend to need Launchpad.admin in the first place, but never mind. :)
[10:21] <cjwatson> ok, thanks
[10:21] <cjwatson> elmo: when you're available ...?
[10:21] <cprov> cjwatson: mthaddon also has the super-powers ;)
[10:22] <mthaddon> cjwatson, what do you need?
[10:27] <bigjools> this sounds like another good use for the new permissioning stuff
[10:30] <sabdfl> hey Hobbsee
[10:31] <cjwatson> mthaddon: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu, then I think it's "Add series" (I can't see it); parameters are intrepid, "The Intrepid Ibex", 8.10, and I can fill in the rest; also "Administer" after that's created, set the status to "Pre-release freeze", and the announcement address to intrepid-changes@lists.ubuntu.com
[10:34] <mthaddon> cjwatson, I have name, display name, title, summary, description, version, parent series as required values - let me know what I should go for for each
[10:35] <cjwatson> name: intrepid, display name: Intrepid, title: The Intrepid Ibex, summary and description: fill in dummy values and I can edit them afterwards; version: 8.10, parent series: The Hardy Heron
[10:37] <mthaddon> cjwatson, that's done (with the pre-release freeze and announcement address as well)
[10:37] <cjwatson> (names/titles are in line with /ubuntu/hardy)
[10:37] <mthaddon> cjwatson, should I change the registrant? (currently me)
[10:37] <cjwatson> thanks, looks good
[10:38] <cjwatson> mthaddon: registrant for previous distroseries has been techboard, which I think is right
[10:38] <mthaddon> cjwatson, ok, that's changed
[10:40] <cjwatson> excellent, looks ready for initialisation
[10:40] <mthaddon> cool
[10:47] <ubotu> New bug: #222363 in update-manager "Encountered a section with no Package - Hardy Heron" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/222363
[10:57] <ubotu> New bug: #222235 in update-manager (main) "update-manager fails reading sources (dup-of: 222363)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/222235
[12:00] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[12:10] <rexium> hey everyone. I am having a problem with large uploads to my ppa timeing out. Any suggestions?
[12:11] <intellectronica> cprov or bigjools might know
[12:12] <bigjools> rexium: please post a question to answers.launchpad.net/soyuz
[12:13] <bigjools> and put as much detail in it as possible
[12:13] <rexium> I was wondering if this might have had to do with general launchpad slowness of late...
[12:13] <rexium> ok will do
[12:14] <bigjools> rexium: it's possible, the servers are still being hammered from the Hardy release
[12:14] <rexium> bigjools: that seems to make sense, as it only started after the release
[12:15] <bigjools> rexium: thanks, someone will look at your question later
[12:16] <ubotu> New bug: #223602 in malone "Bug status transition records for old changes" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/223602
[12:19] <rexium> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+question/31166
[12:19] <rexium> bigjools: ^
[12:19] <bigjools> thanks
[12:20] <rexium> I am trying another upload and will report back if anything different occurs
[12:20] <cjwatson> archive.ubuntu.com hasn't updated yet for the creation of intrepid; is this just because it's hammered, rather than because the syncing is broken?
[12:20] <cjwatson> oh, I spoke too soon, there it is
[12:20] <cjwatson> only on some of the rotation though
[12:40] <mok0> I get the following message from my ppa, which puzzles me a bit: MD5 sum of uploaded file does not match existing file in archive. Files specified in DSC are broken or missing, skipping package unpack verification.
[12:44] <wgrant> mok0: How is that puzzling?
[12:45] <mok0> wgrant: I think I have figured it out... I have modified a package that already exists in universe
[12:45] <wgrant> Correct. Increment the version.
[12:45] <mok0> wgrant: I am trying that as we speak :-)
[12:46] <mok0> wgrant: actually, I have the release incremented.
[12:48] <wgrant> mok0: Did you change the .orig.tar.gz?
[12:49] <mok0> wgrant: It's a repackaged tarball, so probably yes. It likely has a different md5 sum
[12:50] <mok0> wgrant: If you compress the same file twice, it gets another md5sum
[12:50] <wgrant> mok0: Right, you'll need to increment the upstream version.
[12:51] <mok0> wgrant: Can't I just make a no-source upload?
[12:55] <wgrant> mok0: You mean diff-only? You'd need to convince the .dsc that it wanted to point at the old tarball.
[12:55] <wgrant> Or just not modify the tarball in the first place.
[12:56] <mok0> wgrant: Right, I use the tarball from the archive now
[12:58] <mok0> wgrant: I didn't realize that the ppa's were integrated with the main archives this way
[13:14] <mok0> Yay it worked now
[13:24] <Hobbsee> belated afternoon, mpt!
[14:03] <timlinux> hi launchpadders
[14:35] <timlinux> anyone about?
[14:36] <Hobbsee> no.  we're all dead.
[14:36] <timlinux> Im trying to figure out what to do when package 'a'I am building depends on package 'b' which is in a different ppa
[14:36] <timlinux> Hobbsee: nice to see the dead can talk :-)
[14:36] <Hobbsee> timlinux: hit 'edit dependancies' on the side of a's ppa
[14:37] <Hobbsee> and put in b's ppa
[14:37]  * Hobbsee is very skilled in being dead.
[14:37] <timlinux> oh cool
[14:37]  * wgrant buries Hobbsee.
[14:37]  * Hobbsee coughs up dirt
[14:37] <wgrant> Corpses don't cough, fortunately.
[14:38] <Hobbsee> depends how skilled they are.
[14:38] <wgrant> True.
[14:48] <timlinux> if they can talk I reckon they can *cough*
[17:40] <xhaker> Hi. Someone care to explain me how PPA work in regards to deleting packages?
[17:41] <afflux> xhaker: not very much detail: you select a package for deleting and it will be removed some time later, IIRC
[17:44] <xhaker> afflux: the page that allows copying packages shows removed packages though
[17:44] <xhaker> so that's a bit confusing
[17:45] <afflux> copying? huh
[17:45] <afflux> that seems to be new :P
[17:46] <bigjools> so new, it's only on edge
[17:46] <afflux> I'm on edge. I just never saw it before ;)
[17:47] <bigjools> enjoy :)
[17:48] <afflux> xhaker: not sure, this may be related to bug 184490 
[17:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 184490 in soyuz "Deleted PPA packages still displayed on +packages page" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184490 - Assigned to Muharem Hrnjadovic (al-maisan)
[17:49] <bigjools> xhaker: can you try on staging, if it still shows deleted packages on there can you file a bug please
[17:50] <afflux> hm, looking further, it doesn't. My copy-packages page shows lots of packages while +packages doesn't
[17:57] <bigjools> afflux: your copy page shows deleted packages?
[18:18] <ubotu> New bug: #223757 in rosetta "XPI import fails to descend into jar files" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/223757
[19:44] <ubotu> New bug: #223797 in launchpad "mailing list requests and rejections should include reason" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/223797
[19:46] <ubotu> New bug: #223785 in malone "impossible de patler francais sur ce sacré site ... que faire ???" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/223785
[19:52] <ubotu> New bug: #223765 in malone "Forward Bugs Upstream to an Email Address: Handle "bare" email addresses when changing bug tracker details" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/223765
[20:48] <smagoun> I need some help with private bugs in LP, any LP admins around?
[21:02] <thumper> smagoun: what's your question?