[07:44] is there any Vietnamese here? [07:48] dinhtrung: try #ubuntu-vn [07:49] thanks [08:08] Man [08:19] Women [08:20] I think I made 'women' a buzzword in my IRC... [08:21] whats up? [08:30] WRC was amazing [08:36] The opening will start in 8 hours, right? [08:38] What was WRC? [09:12] Is this where open week is taking place? [09:13] Yes, but not until a couple of hours === stas_ is now known as c00l2sv [10:26] r u awake? [10:28] no proffesional here! [10:29] DrD [10:29] y no one here? [10:29] everybody sleeping? [10:30] hi doc [10:30] u there? [10:30] yes I am [10:30] haha [10:30] no one here [10:30] feels like a private channel [10:31] iam going [10:31] mee tu..(me too) [10:34] hi [10:35] i want to boot xp in the ubuntu [10:35] junaid: ask in #ubuntu [10:35] i had already installed both [10:35] ... [10:37] how to voice chat in ubuntu [10:39] junaid: ask in #ubuntu [12:07] hello [12:09] hi [12:10] is Ubuntu Open Week open? [12:11] hello developers? [12:54] It starts at 15pm UTC. [13:01] 15:00 or 3pm utc :) [13:45] hi [13:46] 15:00 UTC is 17:00 CEST (e.g. the time in Germany) [13:53] has the classstarted [13:53] i think it's at 15:00 utc [13:53] that's in one hour isnt it? === cjavier is now known as cjav [13:56] Mo 28. Apr 12:57:56 UTC 2008 [13:56] run date -u on the command line [13:57] it always gives you UTC time :) [13:57] how bout that, that's pretty useful to know [13:57] talking about time, how do u get the unix timestamp of the current time? [13:58] using date (that is) [13:58] daniel@lovegood:~$ python -c 'import time; print time.time()' [13:58] 1209387582.65 [13:58] daniel@lovegood:~$ [13:58] oh... date... *shrug* [13:59] the python trick is ok too [13:59] date +"%s" [13:59] thx [14:11] if i type date i get 15:10 (correct time), if date -u 13:10 and i'm from slovakia timezone UTC+1 what i doing wrong? [14:11] date -u should be 2:11 [14:11] 14:11 i mean [14:11] wrong (13:11) [14:12] Third try is the charm, eh? [14:12] lol [14:12] :) [14:12] PAtrik81: You have daylight savings time, don't you? [14:12] not i have CET [14:12] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTC%2B1 [14:13] Daylight savings time was a horrible invention. -_- [14:13] i'm in Europe/Bratislava - Slovakia [14:13] PAtrik81: I know what UTC+1 is. [14:13] although UTC/GMT is 13:11, London time is 14:11 because of daylight saving [14:13] PAtrik81: You set your clocks ahead one hour about a month ago, didn't you? [14:14] yes [14:14] yeah [14:14] PAtrik81: That's daylight savings time. And that brings you to UTC+2. [14:14] iam able to someones response [14:14] last Sunday of March [14:14] iam happy [14:15] hi lacteus [14:15] ok, my mistake :D i'm time analfabeth =-O [14:15] hi :) [14:15] soren: tnx === upyachk is now known as Gektor [14:16] lacteus: Iam from India! wat abt you? [14:17] woo, just a few more hours! [14:17] hai jcastro [14:17] ragsagar: I'm from France [14:17] hi [14:17] wen i came here afternoon,nobody was here === blue-frog__ is now known as blue-frog [14:18] everyone was busy doing something else [14:18] ragsagar: well, I'm at work right now [14:18] ragsagar: we start openweek in a bit so people are starting to come here [14:18] ok lacteus [14:19] but there was 64 mems at that time [14:19] ragsagar, hi [14:19] lacteus: So you are working for ubuntu?? [14:19] so, 1 hour and half to go right? [14:19] hi arvind_khadri: [14:19] ragsagar: lol, no, I'm not. But I want to ;) [14:19] brb [14:19] Chrysalis: about, yeah [14:19] ragsagar, am from India too [14:19] Uhm.. [14:19] k, just making sure [14:19] ragsagar: I'm a software engineer [14:19] Isnt it about 40 minutes to go? [14:20] interest, here was 143 nicks, and on #ubuntu-classroom-chat was 24 :) [14:20] do you guys have any idea how this will go? (do we get to see some presentation or something) ? [14:21] ubuntued, nice point [14:21] class at 15:00 utc [14:21] so whats final, 40min or 1 hour and 40min [14:21] i am getting confused ;/ [14:21] It's 39 minutes now. =P [14:22] Unless I've horrifically managed to bork my time zone calculations, OpenWeek starts in 38 minutes. [14:22] it depends where are you from [14:22] daniel@lovegood:~$ date -u [14:22] Mo 28. Apr 13:23:39 UTC 2008 [14:22] daniel@lovegood:~$ [14:22] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek starts 15:00 UTC [14:22] * tjagoda notes his horrifically borked time zone calculations [14:23] 1 hour and 38 mins, not? [14:23] yes [14:23] thats what i thought [14:23] hey jcastro! [14:23] I should remember to count daylight savings next time. -_- [14:24] hi dholbach! [14:24] tjagoda me too ;) [14:27] So anyway, there's the first lesson of OpenWeek. Tjagoda never learned how to properly tell time. [14:27] He should be kept very far away from tzdata packages. [14:28] Im not your guy, friend. [14:28] I'm not your friend, guy [14:28] I'm nut ya guuy, fweeend! [14:33] lacteus: name of you firm? [14:34] lacteus: name of your firm? [14:35] ragsagar: well, I won't tell you. It's a very small firm, ~ 50 emp. [14:35] what is ~50 emp? [14:35] employee [14:35] lacteus: no need of inferiority complex [14:35] lol [14:35] no one here is in such a great position [14:35] :D [14:36] it's for my privacy, no complex, just paranoia === engored is now known as rubicon_ [14:38] lacteus: its ok [14:38] lacteus: iam not even working [14:39] the number of members are increase rapidly [14:39] only 20 mins remaining [14:44] hello [14:44] i need some help with rosetta [14:44] pavolklacansky: I think you may ask your question to #ubuntu [14:45] thx i will join to it [14:50] Isn't it actually 1 hour and 10 minutes remaining? [14:50] Yessir. [14:50] yep [14:50] well, because artir, was talking about 20 minutes 10 minutes ago :) [14:51] I started doubting myself [14:51] A lot of us are forgetting daylight savings. =P [14:52] wasnt it at 15:00 GMT? [14:52] yes, but GMT != UK time === stefano_ is now known as SyBorg [14:53] Oohh... I have 22:54 on my clocks already. I'm going to bed. [14:53] Have fun, everybody! [14:53] GMT and UTC do not have Daylight saving time [14:53] it starts in 1 hour folks. current time 13:53:13 UTC [14:53] Hence the 1 hour difference [14:55] oops [14:55] XXD [14:55] i will set a UTC ubication on my hardy clock [14:55] A lot of us should set UTC ubications on our hardy clocks. >> [14:57] Has anybody else actually gotten a /slower/ internet browsing experience after their upgrade to hardy? [14:57] mine's is even faster [14:57] hey that is actually a thing missing in the time applet. I wanted to add a new "location" for the utc thing. But you can't select the UTC timezone... [14:57] yep [14:57] tjagoda > I heard of issues with a wifi driver :) [14:58] im looking on wkiki a country with UTC [14:58] That could be it, but it seems something more firefox related to me [14:58] I mean, the flash performance is a given, but now it seems to even slow down horribly on JavaScript, which I find odd [14:59] tjagoda: dns issuse? [15:00] I've already modified the ipv4 setting [15:00] set and iceland location. They have UTC without DST [15:01] And my DNS settings are well and good. Everything I have runs off the same DNS, and those work fine. [15:01] For the first time ever my XP firefox runs faster than my Ubuntu Firefox. -_- [15:01] whats your wifi card? [15:01] It's an Intel [15:02] intels are suposed to play nicely with ubunu [15:02] Worked awsome in 7.10, and everything prior [15:02] i have a 3com usb adapter [15:02] with zd1211 driver and its fine [15:04] I am baffled by it. [15:05] Maybe I'll try turning off visual effects. Perhaps the restricted driver isnt playing nice with Hardy. [15:06] Gutsy Gibbon -> Hardy Heron -> Intrepid Ibex -> Jolly Jumper?? [15:07] nein [15:07] or jumpy jackal or jumpy jaguar [15:07] jumpy jackal sounds better [15:07] where do we find those names [15:07] there is a list of names and adjetives in the wiki [15:07] i mean how come they are out so soon [15:07] of ubuntu [15:08] wokay [15:08] link please [15:08] i think it would be jumpy jackal, but is not oficiañ [15:08] tjagoda, I got slower wireless (rt2500pci) in hardy than in gutsy, but I installed latest compat-wireless and everything is back as it was [15:08] how much time left? [15:08] 52 minutes! [15:08] 52 minutes [15:08] according to a swiss based atomic clock [15:09] Does anyone have any ideas where I might be able to find the best support for a new wireless card for my desktop? [15:09] wiki.ubuntu.com [15:09] compat-wireless, you say? [15:09] I'll tray that, thanks. [15:09] tac, also check out wicd once you have the driver set [15:09] how about jingoistic jerboa? [15:09] has the class started [15:09] i prefer network manager [15:10] about network manager [15:10] intemgu3: nope, it starts in 50 minutes [15:10] intengu3:no [15:10] I have a question [15:10] Toznoshio: ah thanks. I'll check it out =-) [15:10] ask [15:11] thx artir : so [15:11] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/220497 [15:11] Im from romania [15:11] it's a realtek, and they provide drivers for linux, but they provide drivers that don't *work* on ubuntu [15:11] so here is very popular broadband modems [15:11] like those using ppp connections [15:12] y [15:12] you can use system-administration-networks [15:12] to get ppp working i think [15:12] the question is , I just wondered , did anyone tested the "new" network manager [15:12] I am slightly lost - I thought this was the channel for classroom, it looks like a support channel... [15:12] before pulling it into the lts hardy, and what where the main reasons for doing that? [15:13] guys please don't use this as a support chan.. [15:13] no idea [15:13] but ubuntu people tend to get the latest [15:13] before release [15:13] xd [15:13] ok [15:13] imho, it should have been tested before making it part of a lts [15:13] tac: what is the model of your wireless card? [15:14] It's a rtl8185 [15:14] ah good the sessions this time are later in the day [15:14] I strated a flood of support requests by talking about my slow hardy. [15:14] cool:they should have waited some more weeks [15:14] Goodness gracious. [15:14] My 1st ask to dev's: why FX 3b5? it is quite unstable... many of my friends have problem with it (i dont use Ubuntu and FX) [15:14] so i can be awake to attend them in the US :) [15:14] tac: i know rtl8185 support has improved in the latest kernel.. [15:14] matiit: 100% stable for me except when i use youtube while listening to music [15:14] matiit, people tend to get the latest [15:15] tac: what version of ubuntu are you running? [15:15] matiit: Because Firefox 2 will not be supported by Mozilla for 3 years and Firefox 3 was supposed to be out around the same time as 8.04 [15:15] I'm pretty ok with ff3 [15:15] artir, that doesn't count as 100%. =P [15:15] true [15:15] artir: my Friend hav 100% cpu all time, even no flash www... [15:15] 99,Y% [15:15] is FF going to be upgrade to the full version when it is released? [15:16] i hope so [15:16] Yes. [15:16] super! [15:16] I have always had horrific flash performance. I just dont ask about it anymore. [15:16] TankEnMate: Gibbon [15:16] Flash on linux is horrible [15:16] I wish Adobe cared [15:16] that why debian are so against it [15:17] Using rickrolls are a benchmark you can prove that flash on windows is twice as fast as flash on linux [15:17] hah [15:17] Flash on linux requires a dual core processor :( [15:17] quadro, not dual :) [15:17] compwiz18, I wouldn't say the same [15:17] c00l2sv: it really depends [15:17] comp: i used flash with dapper in a 2,4 ghz 1 core machine witb 256 mb ram [15:17] and it worked [15:17] compwiz18: My computer can't run fullscreen flash video and it's 2Ghz Core Duo with a mobile nvidia chip [15:18] I have a dual, and I still cant look at things with flash and scroll at the same time. =P [15:18] I dunno - it needs more then a single 1.8 core [15:18] 98% cpu bgut it worked [15:18] tac: you can get the source for the kernel from hardy and build it, you will probably need to get udev from hardy as well.. [15:18] but sometimes it is very painful to watch Firefox die under Flash [15:18] only if you're not a big big fan of youtube and watch 50 movies a minute in the same time [15:18] tac: if you know how to build your own packages you can do it fairly easily.. [15:18] dholbach: I'm going to miss you're packaging sessions tomorrow, and that really bums me out. [15:18] myspace absolutely kills firefox thanks to animated and/or static (non-scrolling) backgrounds and flash [15:18] btw, with ff3 it is much more stable than in ff2 [15:18] We need to highly fund a team of crack engineers to reverse engineer flash for our platform. =P [15:18] TankEnMate: What is udev? [15:19] jimcooncat: you can check out the logs afterwards and there's always ubuntu-motu-mentors@lists.ubuntu.com for questions :) [15:19] tac: udev is a package that handles the dynamic device entries [15:19] tjagoda: I know a guy you could direct that to :) [15:19] @now [15:19] Current time in Etc/UTC: April 28 2008, 14:19:33 - Next meeting: Server Team in 2 days [15:19] and by "Build your own packages" what does that entail? I have a mean ./configure;make;make install, but that's about it =-P [15:19] dholbach: thanks, I'll start making use of that list. [15:19] tac: it normally ties fairly closely with the kernel you are running.. [15:19] jimcooncat: rock on! [15:19] :) [15:19] ah, jono starts in 40 minutes [15:19] then we have to stop talking here :) [15:19] hi there [15:19] its something that makes your computer work. DOnt ask how. It just work! XD [15:19] hiya ccm [15:20] hey dholbach :) [15:20] tac: ahh you will want to build your own deb packages.. [15:20] there is a tutorial on Fullcircle [15:20] tac, why not ask google? [15:20] my 2nd ask to dev's: Ubuntu handling a media keys in my keyboard. I use Gentoo and there is not it out of the bos, i must do it myself, i use'd good Xmodmap file and credit roght XF86xxxx to good funcion in gnome shortcut set-up... How is it made in Ubuntu? :) [15:20] tac: if you can handle configure;make;make install you can handle making a package.. [15:21] matiit: I assume we just have those xmodmaps done already :) [15:21] http://www.us.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-start.en.html << is something like this what you mean? [15:21] There was a big push a couple years back to get laptops working better [15:22] dowload full circle magazine to get the Making debs:HOWTO [15:22] Amaranth: hmm, so it is the same what i have in my gentoo box? it isn't faster or sth else... It is identical?, If yes, I'm glad :) [15:23] matiit: Yeah, if the multimedia keys are working they've gotten them working in the same way [15:23] Ubuntu just does it for you :) [15:23] Amaranth: ok :) [15:23] Amaranth: good to know :) [15:23] It just works! [15:23] all this kernel talk is making me anxious to go home, but the day has just started [15:23] btw, there is no "ask the devs" session in openweek :) [15:24] artir: that is a nice article! I'll print it and have lunch with it. pp. 8 - 10 by the way at http://fullcirclemagazine.org/download-manager.php?id=69 [15:24] Amaranth: but dev's are in/on channel [15:24] matiit: Some of them [15:25] But in 30 minutes all the chatter in this channel has to stop so... :) [15:25] weird.. [15:25] Amaranth: but everybody can ask about built-how ubuntu? [15:26] Right now, sure [15:26] You may not get an answer there, I'm a desktop guy :) [15:26] There is also no session on how to get involved, except one called "Ubuntu training" [15:26] back.. [15:26] s/there/though/ [15:26] Toznoshio: The whole thing is about how to get involved, really [15:27] Toznoshio: There are sessions on packaging where I'm sure dholbach will explain a bit about MOTU and the other sessions are specific aspects of getting involved [15:27] excellent [15:27] * dholbach hugs Amaranth [15:27] Oh, you are here. :) [15:28] * Amaranth hugs dholbach [15:28] * artir hugs everybody in this chat [15:28] Hmm how you can help with 100% cpu of firefox? My friend has that problem... [15:28] We don't really need a "ask developers questions" session because you can do that anytime in #ubuntu-motu. [15:28] i talk him, that it is firefox beta fault [15:28] matiit: go to #ubuntu to get help [15:28] metiit: more people there [15:29] artir: ok :) [15:29] matiit: install FlashBlock [15:29] I almost feel bad for starting this avalanche of support inquiries =P [15:29] :) [15:29] Open Week starts in about two hours right? [15:29] ScottK: Well, I dunno if that would be the place to go to ask about why we have firefox 3b5 in hardy :) [15:29] Starts in about half an hour [15:29] RoAkSoAx: 30 minutes [15:29] True. [15:29] half an hour [15:30] Although we get asked often enough. [15:30] thanks Amaranth :) [15:30] What does CPU usage actually reflect in the underlying hardware? Since the CPU is constantly fetching and executing instructions? [15:30] Amaranth: Isn't there some kind of FAQ that could go in. [15:30] artir: all time will be expositions? [15:30] Does anybody know when Firefox 3 full will be finished? [15:30] tac: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ that will give you a quick guide to building your own deb packages.. it is aimed at the debian distribution, but it does have almost all the basics covered.. [15:30] tac, ask in #ubuntu - this is not a support channel [15:30] tac: Amount of otherwise idle time the process is being scheduled for [15:30] Well... Not in that sense at least [15:31] dholbach: how goes, been meaning to say the updates docs for the hands on packaging are very nice. Used as a basis for my penguicon talk [15:31] much lower barrier to entry there [15:31] ligemeget: how is my question support? I'm not trying to fix anything. I'm just curious [15:31] rick_h_: hey - how are you doing? good work on the packaging jam! :) [15:31] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek is very friggin' outdated! [15:31] well, more talk than jam this last time [15:32] (I think...) [15:32] Oh, I guess we should change the topic... [15:32] ligemeget: you might want to take a look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek :) [15:32] rick_h_: but I like jam :( === Amaranth changed the topic of #ubuntu-classroom to: Please join #ubuntu for support | This channel used for scheduled classes and invitational tutoring | Ubuntu Open Week info: Information and Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek | Ubuntu classroom transcripts: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClassroomTranscripts | How to ask questions: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Rules [15:33] thanks Amaranth [15:33] That was easy, just s/Developer/Open/ and everything works :) [15:33] TankEnMate0: then jam away [15:33] Although that's going to be too long if we also want to stick the current session in the topic [15:33] I'll take strawberry thanks.. [15:33] :) [15:33] tac, sorry, my mistake [15:34] friday we have ask mark :) [15:34] i think simon.freenode.net is hung.. [15:34] what's the chat channel that goes with this? just #ubuntu-chat? [15:34] #ubuntu-classroom-chat [15:34] Yup ^ [15:34] #ubuntu-classroom-chatr [15:34] ty sir [15:34] When the sessions start that is were you ask questions [15:34] s/chatr/chat/ [15:34] How long is the Welcoming session? All the way 'till 16:00 UTC? [15:34] yea, I figured I'd load it up now [15:34] then someone from the IRC Team or the person running the session copies them over to here and answers the question [15:35] It's just something I always wondered about. Because the kernel, X11, and tons of daemons are always running on your computer, but it's only when I run "yes" or try to compute factorial . factorial 100 that my computer starts heating up [15:35] need to figure out how to explain to my boss my unproductive week with all this openweek irc time [15:35] Really. [15:35] tac: Because they aren't really doing anything, they just sit idle waiting for you to do something [15:35] All across the world, productivity of developers and IT workers is dropping right now. =P [15:35] (though that's probably because of the harddrive and excessive use of swap space in the latter case) [15:36] tjagoda: the productivity always drop on april and october =D [15:37] Wouldn't it be nice if the instructor used a sound streaming server? [15:37] tjagoda: this is sharpening the axe time.. read up on your 7 habits of effective people.. [15:37] :) [15:37] What are the 7 habits of effective people? [15:38] Amaranth: who from the irc team is helping out for the first session? [15:38] tjagoda: go get the book out of a library :) [15:38] jcastro: Apparently I am. :) [15:38] tjagoda: there is a book by Steven Covey by that title [15:38] rock! [15:38]