[00:03] <Volans> as you know http://releases.ubuntu.com/ is down?
[01:11] <Volans> I'm going... good night
[03:12] <HardyOne> evening folks! I am having some serious lagh issues with FF. seems to have started about a week ago and is getting worse. pages load slow FF "greys" out then comes back. just weird behaviour. any suggestions?
[03:12] <HardyOne> lag*
[03:15] <HardyOne> it does happen more often on pages with heavy graphics and java or flash
[03:17] <gnomefre1k> HardyOne: its a known issue if it is what i think it is and is being worked on upstream
[03:17] <HardyOne> gnomefre1k: ok so i just have to live with it for now
[03:17] <HardyOne> thanks for the answer
[03:17] <gnomefre1k> your welcome
[03:17] <HardyOne> how you been . havent seen you in a while
[03:19] <gnomefre1k> IdleOne: im setting up email atm if i see the bug in ther eill link you to it
[03:19] <IdleOne> ok cool. thanks
[03:28] <gnomefreak> crap :(
[03:28] <gnomefreak> anyone have the extensions for devel versions of mozilla handy?
[03:31] <gnomefreak> bug 215728
[03:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215728 in firefox-3.0 "[MASTER] High CPU Consumption" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215728
[03:31] <gnomefreak> IdleOne: ^^
[03:33] <IdleOne> thanks
[03:34] <gnomefreak> your welcome
[03:42] <jetsaredim> q
[03:42] <jetsaredim> :wq
[04:07] <gnomefreak> someone ping 217.26.52.29 please let me know if it lags or doesnt connect
[04:08] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@Development:~$ ping 217.26.52.29
[04:08] <gnomefreak> PING 217.26.52.29 (217.26.52.29) 56(84) bytes of data.
[04:08] <gnomefreak> thats all i get
[04:08] <gnomefreak> the website isnt opening for me neither
[04:21] <IdleOne> ping 103 ms
[04:21] <IdleOne> 105 now
[04:22] <gnomefreak> Resolving mozilla-enigmail.org... failed: Name or service not known
[04:22] <IdleOne> gtting a Configuration error page
[04:22] <gnomefreak> :(
[04:23] <IdleOne> mozilla-enigmail.org open right up for me
[04:24] <gnomefreak> google.com is timiing out as well
[04:24] <gnomefreak> Firefox can't find the server at www.google.com
[04:24] <gnomefreak> my connection messed up?
[04:24] <IdleOne> might be
[04:25] <gnomefreak> it is i cant even update
[04:25] <IdleOne> google loads fine here
[04:26] <gnomefreak> ill be back hopefully
[04:27] <gnomefreak> IdleOne: do you see the .xpi for thunderbird trunk on mozilla-enigmail.org and email it to gnomefreak at ubuntu dot com?
[04:27] <gnomefreak> im gonna restart see if network goes back up
[06:14] <gnomefreak> damn thing wont install :(
[06:16] <gnomefreak> anyone else running thunderbird 3.0?
[06:25] <gnomefreak> fta im heading to bed but did you do same thing with tb3 and tb2 that you did with ff3 and ff4 by cloning the profile? i have the xpi for enigmail for tb3 but its failing to install it after it grabs it i click install and the dialog just goes away
[06:25] <gnomefreak> night
[09:54] <asac> hi
[10:38] <fta2> asac, hi
 asac, http://liorkaplan.wordpress.com/2008/04/27/why-does-ubuntu-puts-firefox-transalation-in-gnomes-language-pack/
[10:38] <asac> yeah i read that.
[10:38] <asac> fta2: kick kubuntu devs ;) ... they vetoed for a more common place :(
[10:39] <fta2> we've already discussed that, i tend to agree with thay guy
[10:39] <fta2> that
[10:44] <asac> fta2: -gnome langpacks don't pull in any depends at last (not saying that this is good, but it should work)
[11:08] <asac> http://ec.europa.eu/idabc/en/document/7565/469
[11:31] <armin76> fail :D
[11:33] <asac> armin76: fail on what?
[11:33] <armin76> everything!
[11:33] <asac> yeh
[11:33] <asac> at least irssi is still runnign ;) ... so can't be that bad
[11:33] <armin76> ff2 gives bus error on sparc! fix!
[11:33] <asac> oh wait!
[11:33] <asac> its running on debian :)
[11:33] <armin76> haha
[11:34] <asac> armin76: can you please fix the patch
[11:34] <asac> armin76: i have an updated one
[11:34] <asac> but its dirty and the guy who did that is an asshole
[11:34] <armin76> haha
[11:35] <armin76> i did a patch, remember?
[11:35] <asac> Mr. Miller
[11:35] <asac> ah right
[11:35] <asac> your updated his broken patch
[11:35] <armin76> yup
[11:35] <asac> armin76: did your patch ever get positive review?
[11:35] <armin76> mozilla bug 161826
[11:36] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 161826 in Layout: Fonts and Text "nsTextFrame::MeasureText()'s fast text measuring codepath crashes on RISC machines" [Critical,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161826
[11:36] <armin76> i didn't request a review
[11:36] <armin76> and Mr. Miller is not an asshole :P he's the sparc kernel developer
[11:36] <asac> well ... talk to him
[11:36] <armin76> noes
[11:37] <armin76> i didn't request a review because i have nfc about what the patch does :P
[11:37] <asac> armin76: could you follow up on dbarons question?
[11:37] <armin76> i have no idea :/
[11:38] <armin76> i just merged the changes you told me, but i don't know what i did or what it does :P
[11:38] <asac> hehe
[11:40] <asac> but it works?
[11:41] <armin76> yup
[11:41] <armin76> i'm using it
[11:41] <armin76> did you see the backtrace i provided?
[11:41] <asac> where?
[11:41] <asac> in launchpad?
[11:42] <armin76> yah
[11:52] <asac> armin76: please give me url / bug id
[11:52] <armin76> fail
[11:52] <armin76> bug 161987
[11:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 161987 in firefox "Firefox Bus Error & Segfault on Sun Blade 100 (UltraSparc)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/161987
[12:01] <asac> armin76: so would your patch fix this ... or is that stacktrace with your patch applied?
[12:02] <armin76> well, it works for me
[12:02] <armin76> and that stracktrace is running your firefox package, so without my patch
[12:16] <asac> armin76: is ffox 3 in shape at least?
[12:18] <armin76> it should, i'll try
[12:18] <armin76> at least i don't apply any patch for it
[12:18] <armin76> asac: why did you drop sparc from the release!
[12:20] <asac> me? it was demoted to ports
[12:20] <armin76> but you're an ubuntu dev, so i blame you :P
[12:26] <armin76> aren't there any ports.ubuntu.com mirrors?
[12:38] <asac> armin76: please ask on -devel
[12:38] <asac> i think mirroring ports is not mandatory, so most mirrors don't do it
[12:45] <armin76> ew
[12:45] <armin76> firefox-3 gives bus error as well :/
[12:45] <armin76> lol
[12:45] <armin76> it doesn't even start
[12:50] <armin76> asac: guess the backtrace won't work if firefox-dbg isn't installed?
[13:00] <asac> armin76: install the -dbgsym packages for xulrunner + firefox
[13:01] <asac> or submit the .crash file to launchpad ... the auto retracers will produce a stacktrace for you th3en
[13:01] <asac> (submit == double click on the .crash file in /var/crash in nautilus)
[13:22] <koro> hi there
[13:23] <koro> i'm wondering, has the key binding for ctrl+shift+T in FF3 changed, or is there something i'm missing?
[13:24] <koro> i mean, it's not working anyomre after upgrading
[13:26] <fta2> I don't know. what is/was it supposed to do ?
[13:27] <koro> re-open teh last closed tab
[13:29] <fta2> it's still there
[13:30] <koro> damn, not woring here :(
[13:30] <fta2> it works for me, I've just tested it
[13:30] <fta2> maybe you have an extension conflicting with it
[13:31] <koro> nah, all extensions are broken
[13:32] <fta2> really ?
[13:32] <koro> i mean, none of them worked for firefox 3, except adblock plus
[13:32] <albech> hi guys
[13:33] <fta2> koro, you're running hardy, right ?
[13:34] <albech> im running 7.10 (firefox 2.0.0.14) and sharing homedir with another install 8.04 and it appears that there is a conflict with the plugins, cause firefox is reading the plugins from some file in the homedir
[13:34] <albech> how can i share the home dir between 2 installs (7.10 and 8.04) and still have 2 running firefoxes (2 different versions)
[13:35] <fta2> koro, maybe try to use the extensions packaged in hardy, we have the ones the most requested during the hardy dev period: https://edge.launchpad.net/~mozilla-extensions-dev
[13:36] <fta2> albech, you can't unless one is using a non-default profile
[13:36] <albech> so i will have to change the profile to load settings from another file?
[13:37] <fta2> start with -P
[13:37] <albech> fta2: thanks.. will look at that
[13:37] <koro> fta2: i really don't care about the extensions, ctrl+shift+T was one of the things i most used in firefox and i really want it working
[13:38] <koro> i just tried safe-mode, it still doesn't work there so it has n othing to do with extensions
[13:38] <fta2> koro, do you see something in the Error console ?
[13:38] <koro> lemme check
[13:38] <fta2> koro, and does it work from the menu ?
[13:40] <koro> in the error console i get a message "failed to load xpcom component: /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9b5/components/pyabout.py
[13:40] <koro> "failed to load xpcom component: /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9b5/components/libpyloader.so
[13:41] <koro> at startup
[13:41] <koro> but when i try the ctrl+shift+T i get nothing in teh error console
[13:41] <koro> in the menu, the recently closed tabs option is grayed out
[13:41] <asac> koro: try fresh profile please
[13:42] <koro> i'm using safe-mode, nothing is more fresh than that!
[13:42] <asac> koro: well ... not really ;)
[13:42] <koro> ok let's try
[13:42] <asac> koro: move away your .mozilla dir
[13:42] <asac> and start again
[13:42] <koro> yeah
[13:42] <asac> (please keep the old)
[13:43] <koro> of course :)
[13:43] <albech> fta2: worked after creating a new profile in the profile manager.. thanks a lot
[13:43] <koro> ok i t works in a new profile
[13:44] <koro> i wonder what's going on with my other profile
[13:55] <asac_> 14:55 < asac> koro: please keep a backup of the old so we can reproduce
[13:55] <asac_> 14:55 < asac> then reinstantiate it and remove XUL.mfasl
[13:56] <asac_> (sorry, reconnected)
[13:59] <asac_> koro: ?
[14:02] <koro> oh
[14:02] <koro> i was just trying something different
[14:02] <koro> i just deleted prefs.js and i'm testing it
[14:02] <koro> and indeed that fixed it :)
[14:02] <koro> probably some old add-on from FF2 has changed some preference that broke the recently closed tabs feature
[14:09] <asac> koro: maybe
[14:10] <asac> koro: do you still have the original .mozilla that was broken?
[14:10] <asac> if so, please try to test XUL.mfasl anyway - so we can rule that out
[14:55] <fta2> Bug 222910
[14:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 222910 in seamonkey "Seamonkey doesn't work at all" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/222910
[14:56] <asac> one of the "good titles" :)
[14:56] <asac> fta2: can you reproduce?
[14:57] <asac> Bug 222910
[14:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 222910 in seamonkey "Seamonkey doesn't if no profile exists yet" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/222910
[14:59] <fta2> nope
[15:08] <armin76> asac: which packages are the dbgsym ones? i don't see them
[15:09] <asac> armin76: they are in a separate apt repo
[15:09] <asac> armin76: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/ddebs/ hardy main universe
[15:09] <asac> s
[15:09] <asac> add that to your line
[15:10] <asac>  /etc/apt/sources.list that is
[15:12] <armin76> ah, k
[15:14] <armin76> libxul0d-dbg - Development files for the Gecko engine library <- this is 1.8 or 1.9?
[15:14] <armin76> because if you mean xulrunner-1.9-dbgsym its not available for sparc
[15:14] <armin76> guess because it doesn't build :)
[15:15] <asac> armin76: yes, its the the xulrunner-* thing
[15:45] <armin76> asac: its not available for sparc, if you tell me how to build it, i could have a look
[16:06] <asac> armin76: its as simply as installing pkg-create-dbgsym package and then building the xulrunner-1.9 + firefox-3.0 package
[16:06] <asac> that will create those debs next to the package debs
[16:12] <armin76> uh...
[16:20] <asac> armin76: got that?
[16:32] <fta2> armin76, there's no ddebs for sparc because it failed to build
[16:32] <fta2> (not because of the ddeb)
[16:33] <armin76> yup, thats what i was saying
[16:33] <fta2> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/  :)
[16:53] <gnomefreak> fta: to use plugins from ff3 profile do  i need to cp them over to ff4 dir?
[16:53] <fta2> yes
[16:54] <fta2> the links are installed by each plugin, not by ff3
[16:54] <fta2> btw, i've patched tb3 to use a distinct profile
[16:55] <fta2> it's building in my ppa right now. Could you test and let me know if it works fine ? (i'm not really using tb at all)
[16:55] <fta2> gnomefreak, ^^
[16:56] <gnomefreak> fta2: yep let me know when its posted ill update it
[16:56] <gnomefreak> fta2: i found enigmail for tb3 just not having luck installing it but i iwll keep you informed incase you want to try and build it
[16:59] <fta2> https://edge.launchpad.net/~fta/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all
[17:03] <gnomefreak> thanks :) lots of updates when they are built
[17:08] <asac> fta2: doesn't ffox4 look in our {xulrunner,firefox}-addons directories?
[17:12] <fta2> hm, not sure i've kept that part of the code.
[17:13] <fta2> i did, i've just dropped the langpacks
[17:14] <gnomefreak> install to default ff and ff4 should read it? no need to copy it?
[17:15] <fta2> dh_link usr/lib/firefox-addons/extensions $(DEBIAN_FF4_DIR)/extensions
[17:15] <fta2>  dh_link usr/lib/firefox-addons/plugins $(DEBIAN_FF4_DIR)/plugins
[17:15] <fta2> so yes, it should work out of the box
[17:15] <gnomefreak> cool thanks
[17:15] <fta2> except the maxversion of addons
[17:16] <asac> debian bug 451791
[17:16] <ubotu> Debian bug 451791 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[965G EXA] Fonts and many other items fail to render legibly" [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/451791
[17:20] <fta2> gnomefreak, tb3 is ready
[17:20] <gnomefreak> i saw
[17:21] <fta2> there's a gap of several minutes between the end of the build and when the ppa is populated
[17:21] <gnomefreak> updates are there
[17:23] <fta2> gnomefreak, run it from a term, just to see if there's a message during startup
[17:26] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm
[17:26] <gnomefreak> that cant be a good sign
[17:26] <gnomefreak> fta2: what did you change?
[17:27] <fta2> the profile
[17:27] <fta2> it's supposed to clone your old one
[17:27] <gnomefreak> well running it from term gives me no email boxes i have to input them in again
[17:28] <gnomefreak> no errors though
[17:28] <fta2> ls -ld ~/.thunder*
[17:28] <gnomefreak> drwx------ 3 gnomefreak gnomefreak 4096 Apr 27 22:19 /home/gnomefreak/.thunderbird
[17:28] <gnomefreak> drwx------ 3 gnomefreak gnomefreak 4096 Apr 28 12:26 /home/gnomefreak/.thunderbird-3.0
[17:29] <gnomefreak> yep all gone i have to input or copy profiles over
[17:29] <asac> fta2: .thunderbird?
[17:29] <asac> thats not our profile
[17:29] <fta2> it's not my choice
[17:29] <asac> thats upstream dir
[17:29] <fta2> yep
[17:29] <asac> we still have .mozilla-thunderbird
[17:29] <fta2> really ?
[17:29] <fta2> oh
[17:30] <asac> ok ... as long as you migrated .mozilla-thunderbird all should be fine
[17:30] <asac> yes
[17:30] <gnomefreak> i have all 3
[17:30] <fta2> that's why then
[17:30] <asac> yeah
[17:30] <asac> we should migrate that properly for .thunderbird 3
[17:30] <asac> fta2: you can reuse our firefox migration dialog to ask the user what he wants
[17:30] <fta2> so soon ?
[17:30] <asac> if there is no .thunderbird you can just use that for thunderbird3
[17:30] <gnomefreak> so i should only have mozilla-thunderbird and .mozilla-thunderbird-3.0 once its done right?
[17:30] <asac> well ... tbird3 should do the move to upstream directory
[17:31] <asac> gnomefreak: no ... we want .thunderbird in the end
[17:31] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[17:31] <asac> tbird 2 still had issues because of absolute paths
[17:32] <asac> fta2: not sure ... i think we should migrate .mozillla-thunjderbird now to .thunderbird3 ... but maybe in that step create .thunderbird as well
[17:32] <asac> (if there is none)
[17:32] <asac> not sure what to do if the user has both :(
[17:32] <fta2> then, there was no need to change the path... my tb3 created .thunderbird, now it creates .thunderbird-3.0
[17:33] <gnomefreak> im gonna say the addons installer is borked
[17:33] <asac> fta2: if the user never used upstream (e.g. no .thunderbird) we could use that path
[17:34] <asac> but hard to say what should happen if user has obth
[17:34] <fta2> so ? should I keep ~/.thunderbird-3.0 to be safe ?
[17:35] <fta2> and clone ~/.mozilla-thunderbird if there's no ~/.thunderbird-3.0
[17:35] <gnomefreak> fta2: cant really do that can we?
[17:35] <gnomefreak> fta2: the extensions/addons dont work in 3.0
[17:35] <fta2> sure I can
[17:36] <gnomefreak> will they jus tnot get copied over?
[17:36] <gnomefreak> just not*
[17:36] <fta2> some are ok
[17:37] <fta2> but most will be disabled by the maxversion check
[17:38] <gnomefreak> does that mean i can rename and move the only profile to new dir. (renaming being the key)
[17:38] <asac> fta2: yes. i think its ok to clone .mozilla-thunderbird ... maybe if there is only .thunderbird even clone that
[17:38] <asac> but i guess thats to smart :)
[17:47] <gnomefreak> lol you disabled the preview pane
[17:48] <gnomefreak> just when i started using it
[17:48] <fta2> no, i didn't
[17:48] <gnomefreak> oh ther eit is
[17:48] <gnomefreak> hmmm during set up it was greyed out
[17:49] <fta2> i'm repushing a version migrating ~/.mozilla-thunderbird instead of ~/.thunderbird which is not supposed to exist
[17:50] <fta2> when it's done, kill tb3, drop ~/.thunderbird-3.0 and let tb3 recreate it for you
[17:50] <gnomefreak> will it keep profile if it finds one?
[17:50] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[17:50] <gnomefreak> checking email first
[17:50] <fta2> or just keep your new ~/.thunderbird-3.0 if it contains new emails
[17:50] <fta2> as you want
[17:52] <fta2> leaving, cu
[17:53] <gnomefreak> btw what happened to the places menu in firefox 3?
[17:54] <jetsaredim> there's a tb3 package?
[17:55] <gnomefreak> jetsaredim: yes but its same as 2.0 atm
[17:55] <jetsaredim> ah
[17:55] <jetsaredim> nifty
[18:03] <asac> well, not really the same :)
[18:13] <asac> [reed]: any news on release date of RC1?
[18:13] <[reed]> "when all the blockers are fixed"
[18:13] <asac> haha
[18:13] <asac> how many left? mconnor hoped two weeks ago to have all done by last friday :)
[18:15] <asac> i see 136 P1+P2 bugs open for firefox + toolkit component
[18:16] <asac> and 20 P1
[18:16] <asac> is P1 what counts?
[18:16] <gnomefreak> Rephrase: nothing you will notice is differnet
[18:16] <gnomefreak> fta_: i will test as soon as its done all email caught up
[18:16] <willguaraldi> isn't there a blocking tag?
[18:17] <asac> yeah there is for general 1.9
[18:17] <asac> not sure if there is one for rc1
[18:17] <[reed]> no, check blocker flags only
[18:17] <[reed]> blocking-firefox3+ and blocking1.9+
[18:18] <[reed]> P* doesn't mean anything anymore
[18:18] <asac> [reed]: those are final tags
[18:18] <asac> flags i mean
[18:18] <asac> where is the list for Rc1?
[18:18] <[reed]> that's it
[18:18] <asac> so rc1 should fix all?
[18:18] <asac> ok
[18:18] <[reed]> we treat RCs as _real_ RCs
[18:19] <[reed]> as in, final
[18:19] <asac> yeah makes sense, but is not obvious
[18:19] <asac> good thing would be to add url that lists blockers to http://wiki.mozilla.org/Releases/Firefox_3.0rc1
[18:21] <[reed]> I'll ask beltzner
[18:21] <[reed]> to do that
[18:21] <asac> so status unconfirmed+NEW+ASSIGNED+REOPENED + blocking flag?
[18:22] <[reed]> just say resolution ---
[18:23] <[reed]> and don't touch status
[18:23] <[reed]> :)
[18:23]  * asac in-fight with bugzilla :)
[18:23] <asac> adding another boolean chart appears to not be OR
[18:23] <gnomefreak> is the CPU bug a blocker?
[18:23] <asac> CPÜU?
[18:24] <asac> ah the urlclassifier thing
[18:24] <gnomefreak> ill get bugnumber but our number i think is 215728
[18:24] <asac> [reed]: i am tooo dump ... if i use firefox-..+ and blocking...+ and choose "is equal to any ..." it doesn't return a singel thing :(
[18:24] <gnomefreak> bug  215728
[18:24] <[reed]> lol
[18:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215728 in firefox-3.0 "[MASTER] High CPU Consumption" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215728
[18:24] <asac> i get results doing each manually though
[18:24] <gnomefreak> thats the one
[18:25] <asac> adding another boolean chart is no OR either
[18:25] <asac> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&resolution=---&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=exact&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailqa_contact2=1&emailtype2=exact&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&
[18:25] <asac> thats blocking1.9
[18:25] <asac> +
[18:25] <gnomefreak> thanks
[18:25] <asac> but if i add firefox...+ i don't get anything :(
[18:26] <gnomefreak> brb have to go bitch at someone before i blow my top
[18:26] <[reed]> asac: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&resolution=---&chfieldto=Now&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=blocking-firefox3%2B&field0-0-1=flagtypes.name&type0-0-1=equals&value0-0-1=blocking1.9%2B
[18:26]  * asac goes for "edit search" to see this wisdom
[18:26] <asac> [reed]: did you edit that manually? or why is your url so short?
[18:27] <[reed]> https://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/mozilla.html
[18:27] <asac> [reed]: damn :) ... there was an OR button ;)
[18:27] <[reed]> "shorten bug query" bookmarklet
[18:28] <asac> oh no :(
[18:29] <asac> 45 bugs to go
[18:29] <gnomefreak> than its not likely to happen in next 2 weeks
[18:30] <gnomefreak> mozilla bug 411814 why does this work for us and not upstream?
[18:30] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 411814 in Extension Compatibility "Firebug addon not available/working for Firefox 3" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=411814
[18:30] <[reed]> asac: just edit the wiki page yourself
[18:30] <[reed]> and add the urls
[18:30] <[reed]> :)
[18:31]  * gnomefreak fairly sure we use upstream package to make ours no?
[18:31] <asac> [reed]: have no account :(
[18:31] <[reed]> get one ;)
[18:31] <gnomefreak> there are a few that work for us and not upstream like ctrl+tab switching tabs
[18:32] <asac> [reed]: i had a saved password for that wiki ... but i am not allowed in :(
[18:32] <[reed]> reset your pass?
[18:32] <asac> now i push send password: "no user Asac known"
[18:32] <asac> then i try to create one: "user already taken" :(
[18:32] <asac> buuuuuug
[18:32] <asac> ah :)
[18:33] <asac> i have no email recorded :(
[18:33] <asac> Error sending mail: There is no e-mail address recorded for user "Asac".
[18:33] <gnomefreak> i thought i had an account too but cant log in
[18:33] <gnomefreak> let me try to create see if i get same
[18:34] <gnomefreak> asac: mine went through
[18:35] <asac> for now we have the url in topic
[18:35] <asac> maybe i can figure whats going on at some point :(
[18:49] <gnomefreak> fta_: i removed .thunderbird-3.0 and installing new version atm
[18:49] <fta> gnomefreak, ok
[18:51] <fta> gnomefreak, is it there yet ?
[18:51] <gnomefreak> its in archive
[18:51] <fta> http://ppa.launchpad.net/fta/ubuntu/pool/main/t/thunderbird-3.0/ only shows fta2 for lpia
[18:51] <gnomefreak> still upgrading here duue to sm and ff4
[18:52] <gnomefreak> shit
[18:53] <gnomefreak> printer broke :(
[18:54] <gnomefreak> should it have cloned profile from .mozilla-thunderbird
[18:55] <fta> yes, starting from ~fta2
[18:56] <fta> but it's not yet in the ppa..
[18:58] <gnomefreak> fta: should it have taken my email accounts from .mozilla-thunderbird and apply them to tb3?
[18:58] <Volans> I go, bye bye
 yes, starting from ~fta2
 but it's not yet in the ppa..
[19:00] <fta> gnomefreak, ^^
[19:00] <gnomefreak> yes it is
[19:00] <gnomefreak> isnt it?
[19:00] <fta> http://ppa.launchpad.net/fta/ubuntu/pool/main/t/thunderbird-3.0/
[19:00] <fta> oh, now it is
[19:00] <fta> 5 sec ago, it was not
[19:00] <gnomefreak> oh i see what happened
[19:00] <gnomefreak> its was only ff and sm
[19:01] <fta> retry :)
[19:02] <gnomefre1k> thought so
[19:02] <gnomefre1k> damnit
[19:02] <fta> .
[19:02] <fta> ?
[19:02] <gnomefre1k> connection died again
[19:03] <gnomefreak> this is really getting fucking old
[19:03] <gnomefreak> going for smoke ill let you know what happens
[19:03] <fta> upgrade while you're away ;)
[19:06] <gnomefreak> did
[19:08] <gnomefreak> fta: i get the set up accounts dialog where you choose from gmail email accounts ubix mailspool rss newgroups
[19:08] <gnomefreak> fta: is there a way to import settings from .mozilla-thunderbird on my end?
[19:09] <fta> it's supposed to be done during the 1st startup
[19:09] <fta> let me try on my side
[19:10] <gnomefreak> brb starting laundry let me know what you find
[19:13] <fta> hm, indeed, it doesn't work. I should not have done that remotely
[19:19] <asac> debian bug 478277
[19:19] <ubotu> Debian bug 478277 in xserver-xorg-core "xulrunner-1.9: JPEG images used as backgrounds do not render" [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/478277
[19:19] <asac> good
[19:20] <fta> :)
[19:20] <asac> yeah ;) wasn't sure because debbugs has high delays and the guy closed the bugs while i sent instructions to reassign and so on :)
[19:21] <asac> but appears to be right now ;)
[19:26] <fta> ohoh, got it: cat mozilla.in | sed -e "s|%MOZAPPDIR%||" \
[19:26] <fta> 		-e "s|%MREDIR%||" \
[19:26] <fta> 		-e "s|%MOZILLA-BIN%|thunderbird-bin|g" > thunderbird
[19:26] <fta> MOZAPPDIR and MREDIR are empty
[19:28] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8537/
[19:28] <fta> i'll fix that after lunch
[19:28] <fta> it was not my patch after all :)
[19:37] <cwong1> asac: hello
[19:39] <cwong1> asac: I have couple of issues with the xul based midbrowser and in need of your help
[19:49] <fta> gnomefreak, I've fixed the bug, it's a tb3 bug. pushing ~fta3 now.
[19:49] <asac> cwong1: hey
[19:49] <gnomefreak> ok thanks ill test when it hits
[19:49] <asac> cwong1: go ahead
[19:50] <cwong1> asac: is the gconf patch been applied to the xulrunner1.9?
[19:50] <asac> no ... we cannot apply it as its now ... we can push it to ppa though
[19:50] <asac> its in the source, just needs to be enabled in debian/patches/series
[19:51] <asac> cwong1: to get it applied everywhere we have to make a real componnet out of it
[19:51] <cwong1> asac: the https sites does work behind the firewall.  Will this patch fix the issue?
[19:51] <asac> cwong1: but i plan to work on that soon. just thought that pushing that to ppa would be good enough
[19:51] <cwong1> asac: if you can push it to the ppa, that will be good for now
[19:52] <asac> cwong1: if its a proxy issue and proxy is properly configured in gconf then it will probably fix it
[19:52] <asac> cwong1: we should enable the system setting though from midbrowser package to enable it by default
[19:53] <asac> config.use_system_prefs
[19:53] <asac> thats the config we have to change in midbrowser
[19:53] <cwong1> asac: I believe I have changed it already. I will double check
[19:53] <asac> ok ... i am currently getting midbrowser source to see :)
[19:54] <asac> (from hardy)
[19:54] <asac> but most likely thats not yet your version?
[19:54] <asac> 0.3.0b5a-2
[19:55] <cwong1> I thought 0.3.0b5a-2 is what we have up there. Is that not true?
[19:55] <asac> cwong1: yes, thats the version in hardy
[19:55] <asac> does it contain the pref setting?
[19:56] <cwong1> I will check
[19:58] <asac> cwong1: its still false here
[19:58] <asac> in that package
[19:58] <cwong1> Yes, I will fix that.
[19:59] <asac> ok, ill upload xul 1.9 to mobile ppa
[19:59] <asac> after doing a quick testbuild
[19:59] <cwong1> The other problem is when I enter an url in the url box like www.yahoo.com, the browser doesn't update the url to http://www.yahoo.com.
[19:59] <cwong1> ok
[20:00]  * asac tests
[20:01] <asac> cwong1: ok confirmed. maybe thats a merging bug
[20:02] <asac> cwong1: can you or jimmy confirm that the location bar is hooked into the midbrowser.xul in the same way as it is hooked into browser.xul (for firefox)?
[20:02] <asac> i expect that there is either an event listener missing or an id has changed, so the location bar isn't updated properly
[20:02] <cwong1> asac: Yes I will do that.  I am sure it is
[20:02] <asac> cwong1: i guess the location bar doesn't update if a site redirects either?
[20:03] <cwong1> asac: The funny thing is if you bring up a new tab and then go back to the original tab, everything works just fine
[20:03] <asac> cwong1: yeah.
[20:03] <asac> cwong1: this update appears to be triggable by multiple things
[20:03] <asac> cwong1: for instance try just launchpad.net
[20:03] <asac> that works ... i guess because its https
[20:04] <asac> and the https status is updated separately
[20:05] <cwong1> on mine, the launchpad.net stays as launchpad.net in the location bar
[20:05] <asac> strange
[20:05] <cwong1> Your copy is built with system xul right?
[20:05] <asac> yes
[20:05] <asac> its the hardy midbrowser package
[20:05] <asac> (e.g. not my dev tree build)
[20:06] <cwong1> that's odd
[20:06] <asac> lets try a site i never visited with midbrowser
[20:06] <asac> bugzilla.mozilla.org
[20:06] <asac> works
[20:06] <asac> strange
[20:07] <asac> really really crazy
[20:07] <asac> now www.google.com works
[20:07] <asac> same for www.yahoo.com
[20:07] <asac> wtf
[20:07] <cwong1> doesn't work for me..  Did you have a tab open once?
[20:07] <asac> cwong1: yeah might be
[20:07] <asac> let me close again
[20:07] <cwong1> If so, it will work.  You need to close the browser and start again
[20:07] <asac> ok ;)
[20:07] <asac> ok
[20:08] <asac> not so fine, but at least reproducible
[20:08] <asac> cwong1: anyway, most likely a merge bug ... i don't think its only with xul based build, right?
[20:08] <cwong1> that's right
[20:09] <cwong1> Beside midbrowser.xul, any area should I look into to solve this?
[20:09] <asac> cwong1: i think midbrowser.xul ... (or included files of course) ... check if the location item matches the one in browser.xul
[20:10] <cwong1> ok thank.. I will check back with you later.  Got to go for now.
[20:10] <asac> cwong1: and if taht doesn't help, look in the implementation of the location bar ... should be a .xml (XBL binding)
[20:10] <cwong1> ok
[20:15] <asac> cwong1: ok uploading to ppa-mobile
[20:15] <asac> cwong1: the patch applied cleanly. in the unlikely case the build fails for whatever reason ill see what i can do ;)
[20:22] <gnomefreak> asac: did you start on sunbird 0.8 yet? if not i plan to sometime next week if i get time
[20:23] <asac> gnomefreak: almost done
[20:23] <asac> its in bzr
[20:23] <asac> gnomefreak: well ... its done, but there are bugs, but i think those are upstream issues
[20:23] <gnomefreak> ah ok cool
[20:23] <asac> unfortunately no feedback yet
[20:24] <asac> if i don't get info by wed ill upload with those bugs
[20:24] <asac> maybe remind me ;)
[20:24] <gnomefreak> ok let me know i have a few things that people want added/fixed :(
[20:24] <gnomefreak> ok will do
[20:24] <gnomefreak> btw STOP MOVING FOLDERS
[20:24] <gnomefreak> Trash moved :(
[20:44] <gnomefreak> tb is installing again
[20:50] <gnomefreak> fta: worked great this time thank you
[20:51] <fta> cool
[20:52] <asac> new ppa page is cool you see the builds spinning in the package list view ;)
[20:52] <asac> (didn't notice before)
[20:54] <fta> yep
[20:54] <rzr> hi guys
[20:55] <rzr> are you all running hardy or n+1 ?
[20:55] <fta> hardy, there's no n+1 yet
[20:56] <fta> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/
[20:56] <asac> rzr: toolchain is currently prepared afaict
[20:57] <fta> yep, started 3h ago
[20:57] <asac> but i have to stick with hardy for a while :)
[20:58] <rzr> LTS means it'll run after human race die
[20:58] <asac> :)
[21:00] <gnomefreak> i will build a chroot once toolchain opens
[21:01] <rzr> gnomefreak: a alpha version is planned in a couple a mounth
[21:01] <fta> I will upgrade my box :)
[21:01] <gnomefreak> rzr: i know the schedule but i will have it before alpha (cant build packages for it without it)
[21:01] <rzr> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/intrepid-alpha-1
[21:02] <gnomefreak> fta: im leaning toward chroot until a little while after tool chain seeems more stable
[21:02] <gnomefreak> rzr: please dont rely on that as much as you seem to
[21:02] <gnomefreak> rzr: when tool chain is finished repos will open for devel only and best to use chroot
[21:03] <fta> in fact, it's already possible
[21:03] <gnomefreak> whens UDS?
[21:03] <fta> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/
[21:03] <gnomefreak> fta: repos have to be open if they are uploading to them
[21:03] <fta> yet, i don't recommend that to anyone but myself
[21:03] <gnomefreak> cant upload to losed repos
[21:04] <gnomefreak> i have a spare 3 or so pcs/harddrives i think i can afford it on one of them
[21:05] <fta> hm, i've found another tb3 bug
[21:06] <gnomefreak> fta: since you and asac changed name of mozclient is there a way to install the packaage and use it instead of running it from source like in mozclient?
[21:06] <gnomefreak> fta: you can do that all day long you will never stop finding them
[21:06] <asac> gnomefreak: apt-get install mozilla-devscripts
[21:06] <rzr> gnomefreak: actually I'll switch the deb based distro which run latest xorg :)
[21:07] <asac> rzr: that is?
[21:07] <gnomefreak> asac: i thought i had that but i didnt see a way to run nor help file
[21:07] <asac> gnomefreak: what are you trying to do?
[21:07] <gnomefreak> yep still do have it
[21:07] <gnomefreak> asac: the tarball generator
[21:07] <rzr> asac: current xorg in hardy has a VBE issue for my laptop ... i am tracking the bug upstream
[21:08] <asac> rzr: VBE?
[21:08] <rzr> vesa bios ext
[21:08] <gnomefreak> visual basic edition
[21:08] <rzr> for tvout etc
[21:08] <gnomefreak> ;)
[21:08] <asac> gnomefreak: lol
[21:08] <asac> rzr: ah. ok. i think our xorg is pretty much up to date
[21:08] <rzr> yes that's the problem
[21:08] <rzr> :)
[21:08] <asac> 1.5.0 is not yet out afaict ... will probably be out in sync with fedora
[21:09] <asac> but then intrepid is open and we get it too
[21:09] <fta> gnomefreak, zless /usr/share/doc/mozilla-devscripts/README.gz
[21:09] <rzr> if i were the manager hardy would run xfree :)
[21:09] <gnomefreak> fta: thanks
[21:09] <asac> rzr: is xfree still alive?
[21:09] <rzr> i guess not
[21:09] <rzr> but it worked :)
[21:09] <asac> hehe
[21:09] <asac> yeah :) ... i am pretty unhappy about this X release as well
[21:10] <rzr> why ?
[21:10] <asac> we had painful things with Xaa ;)
[21:10] <asac> in cairo/firefox
[21:10] <rzr> that's a big trouble
[21:10] <asac> but probably those issues were always there, just never seen, because firefox wasn't so cairo centric
[21:10] <rzr> we have some trouble w/ cario and swt
[21:11] <asac> yes, cairo did a hell lot of changes ... and made more use of hardware acceleration which bring drivers into the arena
[21:11] <asac> finally revealing the fact that drivers are all crappy :)
[21:11] <asac> (which we always knew because of network-manager)
[21:12] <rzr> :)
[21:17] <fta> jcastro, is the intrepid forum open ?
[21:17] <jcastro> fta: not afaik
[21:17] <fta> ok, thanks
[21:17] <jcastro> fta: hey since you're here, have you thought about packaging songbird at all?
[21:17] <fta> yes
[21:18] <asac> fta: where does the EULA show up?
[21:18] <gnomefreak> fta: got further than a tarball?
[21:18] <jcastro> fta: they have their logo issues almost fixed, we can probably chat about it @ UDS
[21:18] <fta> jcastro, i've tried several months ago but it required its own copy of xulrunner, which is not wanted
[21:18] <gnomefreak> ah yeah thats right forgot that
[21:19] <jcastro> fta: they're down to like 17 patches now or so: http://publicsvn.songbirdnest.com/browser/trunk/patches/mozilla
[21:19] <fta> asac, EULA block is just an include in the middle of the licence file, preprocessed during build
[21:19] <asac> fta: ok. so we/they don't display that anywhere? (i guess its installer only)
[21:20] <fta> asac, yes
[21:21] <fta> jcastro, i'm still following their progress but it seems building with a shared xul sdk is not on their todo list
[21:22] <jcastro> fta: I talked to one of their guys @ lugradio live, he seems hopeful of getting that done asap.
[21:22] <gnomefreak> asac: anything in firefox-2 for Hardy ready? i have  afix ill push to my ppa until we are ready to push next version
[21:22] <jcastro> fta: (knock on wood)
[21:23] <fta> jcastro, yes. Maybe I can give it another try too.
[21:23] <jcastro> fta: upstream is subscribed to the needs-packaging bug and when they're ready they'll update it
[21:24] <asac> gnomefreak: ?
[21:24] <gnomefreak> asac: anyway its a simple fix in .desktop file that wasnt changed in rename
[21:24] <asac> gnomefreak: please name facts
[21:25] <asac> ah
[21:25] <gnomefreak> StartupWMClass=Firefox-bin
[21:25] <gnomefreak> should be firefox-2
[21:25] <asac> gnomefreak: push fixed branch to ~gnomefreak (with UNRELEASED) ... and request merge
[21:25] <gnomefreak> -bin
[21:25] <gnomefreak> ok
[21:25] <fta> jcastro, do you have the bug id at hand?
[21:25] <asac> gnomefreak: i don't think it neds to be
[21:25] <asac> its not the package name
[21:25] <jcastro> fta: bug 94494
[21:26] <fta> thx
[21:26] <gnomefreak> bug # 223753 says that thats what he found
[21:26] <asac> gnomefreak: $ xprop  | grep WM_CLASS
[21:26] <asac> WM_CLASS(STRING) = "Navigator", "Firefox"
[21:26] <asac> try that
[21:26] <asac> (thats ffox 3)
[21:27] <asac> you have to click on a running firefox window to get that
[21:28] <gnomefreak> cant doo anything until i reboot :(
[21:29] <gnomefreak> oh shit this cant be good
[21:30] <gnomefreak> he lefft already
[21:30] <gnomefreak> fuck
[21:30] <asac> ?
[21:30] <gnomefreak> seveas left and took his bots with him one of them being ubotu
[21:30] <asac> k
[21:32] <gnomefreak> talking about this now with the person that caused all this
[21:37] <fta> mozilla bug 304048
[21:41] <gnomefreak> fta: no bot working on getting one asap
[21:41] <fta> k
[21:42] <gnomefreak> testing new bot but not as smart as ubotu
[21:44] <fta> I can bring mine, i've developed one years ago ;)
[21:44] <gnomefreak> we wont hav e abug bot for a while unless someone has idea
[21:44] <gnomefreak> s
[21:45] <fta> btw, why is ubotu gone ?
[21:45] <gnomefreak> seveas left over someone being unbanned and took his bots with him
[21:45] <gnomefreak> we are working on this atm and most likel will be well into tomorrow but i will keep updated
[21:46] <fta> left as in never coming back pissed off or what ?
[21:49] <gnomefreak> yes that is exactly it
[21:49] <gnomefreak> he is CC secriary Leader of ubuntu-ops and so on
[21:49] <gnomefreak> jono is being pinged about it
[21:49] <fta> maybe after some sleep, he'll reconsider
[21:50] <jcastro> wait, it wasn't that orichi guy again is it?
[21:53] <gnomefreak> bbl its early :(
[21:55] <asac> jcastro: since when is seveas gone?
[21:56] <asac> erm, gnomefreak: ^^
[21:56] <jcastro> asac: just like in the last 30 minutes or something
[21:56] <fta> Apr 28 21:59:59 * ubotu has quit (Client Quit)
[21:56] <fta> 1h ago
[21:57] <asac> then i don't see a problem :-P
[22:00] <gnomefreak> i got email when i said shit
[22:00] <gnomefreak> ubotu is his if he doesnt come back ubotu wont
[22:00] <gnomefreak> we have other bots we are working on
[22:01] <asac> gnomefreak: he is gone for 1h ... why panic?
[22:01] <asac> he will surely come back ;)
[22:01] <gnomefreak> asac: let me see if i still have email
[22:02] <gnomefreak> 2008/4/28 Dennis Kaarsemaker <dennis@ubuntu.com>:
[22:02] <gnomefreak> > > Aooarently trolls are really welcome now, lunitik was unbanned. I've
[22:02] <gnomefreak> > > said that when that happens I'd be out. So I'm out, as are the bots.
[22:02] <gnomefreak> > > Bye.
[22:04] <gnomefreak> bunch of sunbird-lightning bugs fkew in
[22:04] <asac> bout what?
[22:07] <gnomefreak> lightning extension not updating calendars nor does forcing them help
[22:07] <gnomefreak> that i think is 2nd ive seen that
[22:08] <gnomefreak> he said its fixed in 0.8
[22:09] <gnomefreak> asac: nothing we can do about it until we backport to hardy since its not SRU
[22:10] <willguaraldi> does "SRU" stand for "security related update"?
[22:10] <gnomefreak> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightning-sunbird/+bug/223869
[22:10] <gnomefreak> release
[22:10] <gnomefreak> but yes
[22:10] <willguaraldi> so...  "security release update"?
[22:10] <gnomefreak> yes
[22:10] <asac> he?
[22:10] <willguaraldi> cools--thanks.
[22:11] <asac> willguaraldi: to be exact its "stable release update"
[22:11] <gnomefreak> opps
[22:11] <gnomefreak> i thought he typed that
[22:11] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[22:12] <willguaraldi> awesome.  i'll read that once i finish getting my laptop updated to hardy.
[22:15] <gnomefreak> asac: that command you gave me doesnt work
[22:16] <gnomefreak> asac: the xprop command
[22:16] <gnomefreak> if you put it somewher ein ff3 code please let me know where since its not in .desktop
[22:18] <asac> gnomefreak: command should work
[22:18] <asac> you get a pointer and have to click with that on the open ffox window
[22:18] <gnomefreak> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
[22:19] <asac> < asac> gnomefreak: $ xprop  | grep WM_CLASS
[22:19] <asac> i don't see any (
[22:19] <gnomefreak>  xprop  | grep WM_CLASS WM_CLASS(STRING) = "Navigator", "Firefox"
[22:19] <gnomefreak> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
[22:20] <gnomefreak> i assuming its (STRING) since thats all i see that would cause it
[22:21] <asac> gnomefreak: read two lines above
[22:21] <asac> i don't see any command that looks like that
[22:21] <asac> :)
[22:21] <asac> it ends after first WM_CLASS
[22:22] <gnomefreak> it does?
[22:22] <asac> or is that just a missing linebreak in paste?
[22:22] <gnomefreak> let me scroll
[22:22] <asac> gnomefreak: thats from my scrollback
[22:22] <asac> use the command i just posted ;)
[22:22] <gnomefreak> 16:26 <            asac > gnomefreak: $ xprop  | grep WM_CLASS
[22:22] <gnomefreak> 16:26 <            asac > WM_CLASS(STRING) = "Navigator", "Firefox"
[22:22] <asac> gnomefreak: thats the output
[22:22] <asac> the first line is the input
[22:22] <asac> command
[22:22] <gnomefreak> oh
[22:23] <gnomefreak> WM_CLASS(STRING) = "gecko", "Firefox-2-bin"its right
[22:23] <asac> gnomefreak: Firefox-2-bin ?
[22:23] <asac> hmm
[22:23] <asac> ok
[22:23] <asac> probably needs to be fixed then
[22:23] <asac> in .desktop
[22:23] <gnomefreak> ok i will fix it just nee dto respin
[22:24] <asac> feel free to push to your branch and ask for merge in firefox-2.0 branch
[22:26] <asac> go ahead ;)
[22:27] <fta> hmm, it seems most of songbird xul patches won't make it into xul 1.9 final
[22:30] <fta> fta@ix:~ $ lsb_release -c
[22:30] <fta> Codename:       intrepid
[22:31] <asac> have fun
[22:33] <gnomefreak> what time is it UTC?
[22:33] <fta> 21:33
[22:33] <gnomefreak> thank you
[22:33] <fta> date -u
[22:35] <gnomefreak> i was trying time -u
[22:37] <gnomefreak> ok i iwll try to update my branch tonight some time
[22:37] <gnomefreak> will
[23:00] <gnomefreak> quik catch up i can push from top level dir right dont need to be in debian to push brz?
[23:01] <asac> yes
[23:01] <asac> but shouldn't matter
[23:01] <gnomefreak> ok thanks
[23:02] <rzr> gnomefreak: btw check logs from  #ubuntu-classroom  they told about bzr-builddeb
[23:02] <gnomefreak> rzr: i know bzr-builddeb and bzr but ive been away for a while
[23:02] <rzr> so do I :)
[23:03]  * rzr return to sleep 
[23:12]  * asac off bye
[23:16] <gnomefreak> asac: night
[23:22] <asac> gnomefreak: oh one more thing. currently uploading lightning-sunbird 0.8 to mozillateam ppa
[23:22] <gnomefreak> asac: thaanks
[23:23] <asac> maybe ask testers to verify if their bugs from 0.7 or earlier are fixed
[23:23] <gnomefreak> ok
[23:23] <asac> lightning-sunbird_0.8+nobinonly-0ubuntu0mt804
[23:23] <asac> ok off for real
[23:43] <fta> http://liorkaplan.wordpress.com/2008/04/29/why-does-ubuntu-puts-firefox-transalation-in-gnome’s-language-pack-2/
[23:43] <fta> worse than i thought
[23:49] <gnomefreak> we put them in gnomes translations packs?
[23:50] <fta> yes
[23:50] <fta> not our choice