[00:14] <ubotu> Pelo called the ops in #ubuntu (howapt)
[01:20] <RyanPrior> The floodbots appear to be flooding #ubuntu.
[01:20] <RyanPrior> Eh, it's over now. They randomly spewed 7 lines with no apparent purpose though. Wierd.
[01:54] <ubotu> greenmanwitch called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic ()
[02:04] <xtfusion> whos the ubuntu-offtopic ops?
[03:05] <ubotu> In #ubuntuforums, Moniker42 said: !porc is :porc::inca::dito::love:
[03:10] <vorian> +1 on that request
[03:37] <tonyyarusso> lol, "the" moderator for #ubuntu...I'd rather be boiled in pudding :)
[03:37] <elky_work> hmm?
[03:38] <tonyyarusso> elky_work: "didnt realize tonyyarusso was the moderator...."
[03:38] <elky_work> haha
[03:38]  * elky_work annoints tonyyarusso 'the' op.
[03:38] <elky_work> so where's this tonyyarusso pudding?
[03:38] <tonyyarusso> hmm, I suppose I could make some - I do have like six boxes
[03:39] <elky_work> yum
[03:39] <elky_work> dcc the finished product kthx
[03:39] <tonyyarusso> kk
[04:47] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, xtfusion said: !food is <reply> Hungry
[04:51] <tonyyarusso> know what would be fun?  "anonymous" access for editors :)
[04:51] <jdong> tonyyarusso: ubotupedia?
[04:53] <nalioth> "What was old, is new again."
[04:53] <elky_work> tonyyarusso, depends on your definition of 'fun'
[04:55] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: we could make you ubereditor, so you could keep out all the wonderful useless cruft
[04:55] <nalioth> of course, we'd never see you gain
[04:55] <nalioth> see you again
[04:58] <tonyyarusso> jdong, elky_work, nalioth: I believe I've been misunderstood.
[04:58] <tonyyarusso> I mean permissions for the "Anonymous" supybot plugin.
[04:58] <tonyyarusso> for those with 'editor' capability
[04:58] <elky_work> i still dont understand
[04:58] <tonyyarusso> elky_work: lets you make ubotu speak
[04:59] <elky_work> oh. hell no.
[04:59] <tonyyarusso> but then we could mess with people's minds!  :P
[04:59]  * tonyyarusso isn't really serious, but it would be greatly amusing at times
[04:59] <elky_work> which times? the ones where we make people snap into a rage of conspiracy?
[05:00] <elky_work> i'm not sure i can take another 3mth saga
[05:00] <jdong> lol
[05:00] <jdong> that's really gonna question everyone's sanity
[05:00]  * tonyyarusso sigh
[05:01] <tonyyarusso> y'all don't remember what fun or joking is anymore, but the sadder thing is I know why
[05:01] <tonyyarusso> jerks.
[05:01] <tonyyarusso> (the reasons, not you)
[05:02] <jdong> tonyyarusso: these days it's really hard to tell what's a joke and what's serious
[05:02] <elky_work> what can we say... being villanised for doing our jobs is totally hilarious. i laugh myself to sleep about it each night.
[05:02] <tonyyarusso> I know.
[05:03] <Cpudan80> Hello all
[05:03] <Cpudan80> Can someone check why the floodbot banned me?
[05:03] <Cpudan80> or well muted me
[05:03] <Cpudan80> I didnt paste or anything.....
[05:03] <Cpudan80> Maybe it's not a bug --- it's a feature! :-) Just thought youd like the heads up
[05:04] <elky_work> Cpudan80, you'll need to give us a time and date, since our bantracker is currently in a coma
[05:04] <Cpudan80> elky_work: just now
[05:04] <Cpudan80> like within a minute or two ago
[05:04] <tonyyarusso> Cpudan80: well, it seems like it was removed, although I'm still not sure why
[05:05] <Cpudan80> Yeah - I dont think I was ever banned ?
[05:05] <Cpudan80> I dont see a +q line...
[05:05] <tonyyarusso> Cpudan80: nor do I, plus you were talking right before the "removal"
[05:05] <Cpudan80> yeah...
[05:05] <tonyyarusso> LjL: minor floodbot bug?  ^^
[05:05] <Cpudan80> I've had some impersonators on a nick -- Cpudan8O in the past
[05:06] <elky_work> tonyyarusso, i saw it picking people up on two lines yesterday, which is a bit extreme since lag can cause a mini-flood
[05:06] <Cpudan80> But I think that has subsided 
[05:06] <tonyyarusso> Cpudan80: thanks for the report - he'll check it out eventually
[05:06] <Cpudan80> No problem 
[05:06] <tonyyarusso> elky_work: that could be it - maybe the limits were lowered for release day or something
[05:06] <Cpudan80> Lag: 0.2seconds
[05:06] <elky_work> tonyyarusso, possibly
[05:10] <Cpudan80> Anyone - just thought you'd like to know
[05:10] <Cpudan80> night all
[05:38] <Myrtti> I thought I taw a puttycat
[05:38] <Myrtti> I thought I saw tobmalf in -ot backlog but I guess I didn't
[05:39] <elky_work> i thought i saw him back in #ubuntu the other day
[05:40] <elky_work> Myrtti, did he not used to be called 'tobmaif'?
[05:41] <Madpilot> hey gnomefreak 
[05:41] <Myrtti> I did! I did taw a puttycat!
[05:41]  * Madpilot wonders if he should purr
[05:41] <Myrtti> thanks tonyyarusso 
[05:41]  * Madpilot also wonders what release day insanity he missed...
[05:42] <elky_work> Madpilot, you dont wonder. really you dont.
[05:42] <gnomefreak> hi Madpilot 
[05:43] <Madpilot> was planning on helping out, but family obligations kept me in the real world Friday and Saturday.
[05:44] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: there's still plenty of support help to give in #ubuntu though
[05:44] <Myrtti> you're welcome to toss in your .02
[05:44] <Myrtti> ;-)
[06:10] <Myrtti> btw, how usual is it that during the install the installator doesn't make a directory for dbus and the installation aborts there?
[06:10] <Myrtti> has anybody been complaining?
[06:12] <nalioth> Myrtti: i've got lots of complaints after an upgrade to hardy
[06:13] <Myrtti> yeah, I thought there might be some complaints
[06:14] <Myrtti> I noticed that doing an install with server 64 and installing *-desktop aborts to unresolved dependencies since dbus fails to install
[06:14] <nalioth> i've got lots of _personal_ complaints
[06:14] <Myrtti> sudo mkdir /whatever/dbus and the journey continues with dpkg --release -a
[06:15] <Myrtti> and aptitude install *-desktop
[06:21] <Madpilot> upgrading to hardly borked my xorg. again.
[06:26] <gnomefreak> Madpilot: nvidia?
[06:27] <Madpilot> ATI. 9600XT
[06:27] <Madpilot> I just renamed xorg.conf and it was fine. Should have remembered to do that before I restarted the first time.
[06:28] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: what sort?  was considering one myself.
[06:28] <gnomefreak> i kept seeing it with nvidia but installing and running nvidia-config after starting with clean X11/xorg.conf fixed it for me
[06:28] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: one what?
[06:29] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: kernels not being updated Xorg breakage a whole bunch of others
[06:29] <gnomefreak> most i got hit with but if you use dist-upgrade instead of update-manager the upgrade is pretty much problem free
[06:30] <gnomefreak> night all its past bed time by a few hours
[06:30] <Madpilot> so much for dist-upgrade being depreceated...
[06:30] <nalioth> gnomefreak: my dist-upgrade didn't work well
[06:30] <nalioth> i have no sudo at all
[06:30] <gnomefreak> oh thats bad
[06:30] <gnomefreak> :(
[06:31] <nalioth> yes, very.  i had to chroot myself a root account
[06:31] <gnomefreak> im gonna ping mvo in morning and let me know what ive seen since there are too many to file bugs on atleast at this time of morning
[06:31] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: upgrade.
[06:31] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: upgrade to what?
[06:31] <tonyyarusso> 8.04 of course
[06:32] <tonyyarusso> what you're talking about.
[06:33] <Madpilot> Anyone else getting gstreamer video playback issues?
[06:33] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: i'm post upgrade with these problems
[06:33] <Madpilot> totem is playing everything back at half speed...
[06:33] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: did you not see us initiate this convo about hardy?
[06:41] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: Oh, nvm.  Saw, didn't comprehend.  You mean just your own issues.
[06:53] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: major major issues
[07:42] <ubotu> In ubotu, stdin said: no khardy is <reply> Kubuntu Hardy Heron ships with both KDE 3 and KDE 4 as 2 separate disks; KDE 3 is offered by shipit. The KDE 3 CD is commercially supported for 18 months and KDE 4 is community supported
[07:42] <stdin> ^ updates, like s/will be/is/ etc
[08:29]  * Hobbsee O.O
[08:29] <Hobbsee> emma's gone to development channels too now?
[08:30] <Hobbsee> i thought banning her from all of userland should be enough for her to get the point.
[08:34] <Madpilot> trolls ain't known for brains
[08:37] <Hobbsee> oh well, if she turns up again, ban on sight.
[08:37] <Hobbsee> looks like she ended up in the wrong place beore
[08:38] <Madpilot> what's the username?
[08:38] <Hobbsee> emma
[08:38] <Madpilot> but already banned from most of the userspace channels?
[08:39] <Hobbsee> Not to be hating her or anything, but she's lost any right to participate in #*ubuntu* channels by her behaviour, which really hasn't changed, so banning on sight seems in keeping with that
[08:39] <Hobbsee> yes
[08:42] <Hobbsee> she's in -bugs, too
[08:43]  * Hobbsee nukes
[09:21] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, she cant honestly expect to get any support from those channels since most people there thing -offtopic is too undisciplined...
[09:21] <elkbuntu> s/thing/think/
[09:21] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: oh, i doubt she will.
[09:21] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: i really doubt she's actually trying to get support from there, either
[09:22] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, if she's trying to get support there then tough
[09:22] <elkbuntu> as in, technical support
[09:22] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: perhasp i should have used a forward or something.
[09:22] <elkbuntu> to?
[09:22] <Hobbsee> oh, i don't know.
[09:22] <Hobbsee> somewhere interesting.
[09:23]  * stdin wonders what Hobbsee would define as "interesting" in this case
[09:24] <elkbuntu> stdin, #gentoo of course, they'd eat her alive there.
[09:24] <Hobbsee> stdin: i'm sure i couldn't post the names of such channels into a logged one.
[09:24] <Hobbsee> now, i *wasn't* quite thinking of that, but you're getting the gist.
[09:24] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, indeed, my mistake :)
[09:35] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: any plans to remove her ban from here (re: the usual policy), or is there still no confidence that she'll bring anything new and credible into this channel?
[09:36] <Myrtti> is there a way of allowing her to the channel but muting her automatically
[09:36] <Myrtti> so those who are intrested in her rambling can do so and others can just zone out
[09:37] <Myrtti> or of course, use ignore
[09:37] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: +z, with those who are actually interested going +o?
[09:37] <Myrtti> *shrug*
[09:37] <Hobbsee> then again, if people arent going to listen to her anyway, then there's little point her putting her opinions in here
[09:38] <Myrtti> and I for one don't want to ignore her
[09:39] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[09:39] <Hobbsee> other option is another channel where she gets forwarded to, where those who do want ot participate in discussions with her can join
[09:39] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, her own channel
[09:40] <Hobbsee> either way, it's suboptimal leaving her banned with no way of recourse, ever.
[09:40] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: #sparkle-ponies or so?  Yeah, that's not a bad idea.
[09:42] <Myrtti> /CSKICKBAN DumpsterBaby we want you to leave, that's the thing that matters
[09:43] <ubotu> Bodsda called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[09:43] <Myrtti> kick him
[09:43] <Myrtti> I'm not synchronized
[09:44] <Myrtti> DumpsterBaby [n=chatzill@001310a8a3e6.click-network.com]
[09:44] <Myrtti> might want to set up a ban too
[09:44] <elkbuntu> he came back and flooded again immediately, kb'd now
[09:44] <Myrtti> thanks
[09:45] <elkbuntu> floodbot just unbanned him wtf
[09:45] <elkbuntu> oh, the nick ban, is all ok
[09:45] <nalioth> klined
[10:32] <jussio1> !compiz-#kubuntu
[10:32] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[10:32] <jussio1> we need to update that. any suggestions?
[10:36] <ikonia> jussio1: what is the reason kubuntu shipped without kompiz  ?
[10:36] <jussio1> ikonia: that was gutsy. it now ships with it. 
[10:37] <ikonia> oh
[10:38] <ikonia> I thought it was installed and I'd not read anything to suggest other wise, hence my curiosity
[10:38] <ikonia> thought I'd missed something interesting
[10:38] <jussio1> ikonia: I can change it, but Im too tired/busy to think what ti should be...
[10:39] <ikonia> surly something like "as of hardy kubuntu now includes compiz-fusion as part of the default install. Gutsy users will still have to install this manually
[10:44] <bashca> please i have warning when login  tell me xrdb command not found
[10:45] <ikonia>  ikonia> Bodsda: why are you suggesting someone goes into #ubuntu-ops for support ?
[10:45] <ikonia> bashca: I said in ubuntu this channel was not for support
[10:45] <ikonia> bodsa was leading you down the wrong path
[10:45] <ikonia> bashca: I suggest you rejoin #ubuntu and wait longer than 30 seconds for an answer
[10:45] <bashca> ikonia, ok 
[10:46]  * jussio1 raises an  eyebrow
[11:12] <ikonia> heads up 10:42 < Novek> http://ircx.forum0.info/ <-- Free downloads , Fun . Tutorials etc.......... plz register
[11:12] <ikonia> lurking in #ubuntu
[11:22] <ubotu> jussi01 called the ops in #ubuntuforums ()
[11:24] <jussi01> argh, sorry, shift is too close to enter, slinblade tater or something like that. 
[11:24] <jussi01> sigh..
[11:38] <vorian> < ~slingblade_tater> 
[13:02] <Myrtti> FFS
[13:05] <PriceChild> Myrtti: what's up?
[13:06] <Myrtti> Fujisan came to -ot, first thing he did was !vista
[13:06] <Myrtti> no, that came after hilighting my nick
[13:07] <PriceChild> hmm
[13:07] <ikonia> why is it tollerated
[13:07] <ikonia> he's made his intentions cleaer ?
[13:07] <ikonia> clear even
[13:08] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, he pinged me in #defocus just before
[13:08] <elkbuntu> ikonia, because he hasnt done anything bad enough, apparantly. unfortunately serial annoyers are quite welcome :(
[13:09] <ikonia> there are a select few who have the blatent intention of being an issue on a persistant basis
[13:09] <elkbuntu> ikonia, and they get to succeed :(
[13:10] <ikonia> there appear to have recently
[13:10] <ikonia> it's not common, it just seems say the last 2 months
[13:10] <elkbuntu> yep. there's been alot of leniency the past few months imho
[13:12] <elkbuntu> ikonia, hold on a sec
[13:12] <ikonia> ok
[13:13] <PriceChild> So what's he done?
[13:14] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, pinged Myrtti and i in the past few minutes for the sake of pinging us.
[13:14] <ikonia> he trolls the #ubuntu channel trying to get people to press ctrl+alt+del
[13:14] <PriceChild> and that should be punished how?
[13:14] <ikonia> he claims he's never been in ubuntu, trolls it, get banned then moves to off-topic
[13:14] <ikonia> laughing about it
[13:14] <ikonia> then threatens slashdot against users for banning him
[13:15] <Myrtti> Friday he was pain in the hiney complaining about the !vista factoid which is now revised (it should've been even without him complaining)
[13:15] <Myrtti> and spamming ANDlinux
[13:16] <elkbuntu> add to all that his general release day behaviour
[13:18] <elkbuntu> somewhere on freenode might want these obnoxious people, but im  pretty sure the people of #*buntu* do not given the consensus and whinging he gets in #ubuntu
[13:18] <PriceChild> Is he banned from #ubuntu?
[13:20] <elkbuntu> last i checked yes. whether he still is, not a clue
[13:21] <ikonia> I thought it got lifted shortly after
[13:21] <ikonia> he has been banned 3 times and it has been lifted 2 times that I'm aware of
[13:21] <elkbuntu> probably. with the bantracker down, it's hard to follow this stuff.
[13:21] <elkbuntu> damn sqlite :(
[13:23] <ikonia> Myrtti: as a side issue I've almost finished going through the factoid DB
[13:23] <Myrtti> excellent
[13:23] <elkbuntu> ok NOW he creeps me
[13:25] <elkbuntu> now i'm laughing
[13:25] <ikonia> a better response
[13:27] <Hobbsee> elkg
[13:27] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: gotta love this guy. 
[13:27] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: so much for catalysing, or something.
[13:27] <Hobbsee> some people can't be catalysed.
[13:28] <elkbuntu> ikonia, pm me your email please
[13:31] <PriceChild> has emma been banned from #ubuntu-bugs?
[13:31] <Hobbsee> yes.
[13:31] <Hobbsee> last i checked, that was included in the ubuntu namespace.
[13:32] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: would you mind consulting people *before* you remove their bans?
[13:32] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: which ban where?
[13:33] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: oh, my bad.  channel wasn't synced :)
[13:33] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: sorry
[13:33]  * Hobbsee saw a blank banlist, and went "hey, now, that's not right"
[13:33] <PriceChild> :)
[13:33] <PriceChild> what did she do in -bugs?
[13:34] <Hobbsee> does it matter?
[13:34] <PriceChild> sure
[13:34] <Hobbsee> again, #*ubuntu* wide channel bans are just that.  last i checked, #ubuntu-bugs fit that category
[13:34]  * Hobbsee found her in -devel, so thought to do a /whois.
[13:41] <PriceChild> but she didn't do anything wrong in either channel?
[13:43] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, she has shown no hope of being catalysed. we cannot afford her any more time.
[13:44]  * Hobbsee thinks PriceChild fails to understand the concept of a #*ubuntu* wide channel ban, which the irc council agreed to.  It actually means all channels that fall into #*ubuntu*, not just the ones she's trolled in before.
[13:44] <Hobbsee> (excluding ##)
[13:45] <PriceChild> understood
[13:46] <Hobbsee> So, why the questions?
[13:46] <PriceChild> I'm interested as to what has been going on. I haven't accused you of doing the wrong thing, I would just like to catch up atm.
[13:47] <elkbuntu> huh? you've been around the whole time...
[13:49] <PriceChild> well I hadn't heard of any of the bugs or devel issues she's found herself in until now... so i was asking about them?
[13:49]  * Hobbsee points, again, to the idea about a namespace-wide channel ban.
[13:50] <Hobbsee> i didn't expect her to go into devland, so didn't ban her from them when the original bans came in.
[13:50] <elkbuntu> the issue was she was in those channels and is untrustworthy to remain on topic in any ubuntu channel, hence she was preemptively removed to avoid any disruptions to those channels.
[13:50] <PriceChild> but you didn't instate bans in those two channels at that time right?
[13:50]  * spb looks, again, and laughs, again
[13:50]  * PriceChild larts spb 
[13:50] <spb> now that's not very nice
[13:50] <PriceChild> What is wrong with me asking what has happenned? :(
[13:51] <spb> asking requires that people explain things
[13:51] <spb> can't have that now
[13:51] <ikonia> tb in #ubuntu please, - take a look
[13:51] <ikonia> this is getting a persistant theme
argh... does anyone remember the sudo bug that was around a few days back? it was suggested to be added to the factoid, but I cant find it. someone mind grepping logs for me? </interuption>
[13:52] <Hobbsee> what sudo bug?
[13:52] <ikonia> jussio1: can't use the getbyhostname() function ?
[13:52] <jussio1> ikonia: yeah that one
[13:53] <wgrant> ANybody else just been colourfully and randomly PMed by some guy from #ubuntu?
[13:53] <ikonia> jussio1: what info you want
[13:53] <ikonia> wgrant: asking about a scanner?
[13:53] <jussio1> ikonia: just the bug number is fine
[13:53] <ikonia> wgrant: ghabit ?
[13:54] <ikonia> jussio1: rats, not got the bug number,
[13:54] <ikonia> jussio1: thats the one bit I do'nt have
[13:54] <ikonia> and I'm not subscribed to it
[13:54] <wgrant> ikonia: No, it was unintelligible, at least not any language that looks vaguely real.
[13:54] <ikonia> ah
[13:54] <elkbuntu> wgrant, by what nick?
[13:54] <jussio1> ikonia: ok, thanks anyway. 
[13:54] <wgrant> elkbuntu: Perikizi^33
[13:55] <ikonia> jussio1: sorry
[13:55] <Hobbsee> right.
[13:56] <jussio1> wgrant: that sounds like those turkish ones weve been getting
[13:56]  * Hobbsee waits for the flames
[13:56]  * Mez strikes a match
[13:57] <ikonia> I'm being trolled bad by td` attempting to post information about me in #ubuntu
[13:59]  * elkbuntu is watching
[14:01] <ikonia> tb` has moved to #ubuntu-offtopic to troll me
[14:02]  * Hobbsee is also watching
[14:03] <ikonia> this is a blatant attempt to provoke/troll
[14:03] <ikonia> thank you, I'm not bothered about him posting my name, but saying I gave advice/said things about things I didn't is not fair on people
[14:04] <elkbuntu> of course not, and he's stalking... which we seem to have a spate of the past few months
[14:04] <ikonia> almost like a training camp
[14:05] <elkbuntu> yeah, something is catalysing these trolls from somewhere
[14:06] <ikonia> thats the 3rd person I've had with that sort of behaviour
[14:06] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: it's not the suspected place, unless they're going and changing nicks.
[14:06] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, well, depends what you think the suspected place is
[14:08] <Hobbsee> @btlogin
[14:08] <elkbuntu> is bantracker back?
[14:08] <Hobbsee> doesn't look like it
[14:08] <Hobbsee> darn
[14:08] <elkbuntu> :(
[14:09]  * Hobbsee could use it, right about now
[14:09] <elkbuntu> yeah
[14:09] <elkbuntu> im totally lost tonight
[14:10] <Hobbsee> [23:09] [Whois] Mad_Gouki is n=alex@adsl-074-183-138-133.sip.gsp.bellsouth.net (purple)
[14:10] <Hobbsee> what was `tb's ident?
[14:10] <elkbuntu> not that
[14:11] <Hobbsee> [23:10] [Whois] TB` is n=nnscript@host86-165-186-113.range86-165.btcentralplus.com (TB)
[14:11] <Hobbsee> hmmm.  definetly not that.
[14:11] <elkbuntu> see the n=... that explains everything
[14:12] <ikonia> ???? what the devil is going on 
[14:12] <elkbuntu> it's the same guy
[14:12] <ikonia> is it, ones a UK isp, the other is a USAS isp 
[14:12] <ikonia> ahhh nnscript
[14:13]  * Hobbsee doesn't recognise nnscript
[14:13] <elkbuntu> ikonia, i have access to two US servers..
[14:13] <Hobbsee> oh, right
[14:13] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, it's a reasonable mirc script
[14:13] <Hobbsee> ahhhh
[14:13] <elkbuntu> where reasonable means less obnoxious than excursion
[14:13]  * Hobbsee will remain silent on the number of machines she has access to.
[14:14] <Hobbsee> don't have root over most of 'em, though.  pity
[14:14] <elkbuntu> heh
[14:15] <elkbuntu> i could get access to at least one other US, a Canadian and probably a NZ if i needed to
[14:15] <elkbuntu> by access i mean permission legally granted
[14:15] <ikonia> does seem like the same guy
[14:16] <ikonia> seems random to come in and ask about the other guy minutes after he's gone
[14:16] <Hobbsee> yeah
[14:17] <elkbuntu> it wouldn't be if they actually had a non-ubuntu channel in common... the second guy just has #u and #u-offtopic
[14:18] <ikonia> ah well, it's done and dustred and the alter ego isn't causing any issue
[14:18] <ikonia> dusted even
[14:18] <elkbuntu> most wont until the ops go to sleep
[14:19] <ikonia> of course
[14:19]  * elkbuntu hums a tune
[14:19]  * jussio1 wonders if the second is set +i 
[14:20] <ikonia> jussio1: thats an interesting possability as it looks like it's a scripted session
[14:21] <elkbuntu> gone now
[14:22] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: check -offtopic before you go
[14:22] <elkbuntu> just saw
[14:22] <ikonia> interesting, online but left the channel
[14:23] <elkbuntu> yes because he didnt get the reaction he wanted, which is probably tb unbanned, probably clueless to the fact tb isnt banned
[14:25] <elkbuntu> anyway, bed for real
[14:25] <Hobbsee> heh, nig
[14:25] <Hobbsee> t
[14:25] <ikonia> good night
[14:26] <elkbuntu> ikonia, you take care, and go wash that stalker attractant off yourself ;)
[14:26] <ikonia> thank you
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[14:28] <flipstar> Hobbsee: ..?
[14:28] <Hobbsee> flipstar: if you knew about that channel, you know it's not welcome in here.
[14:29] <Hobbsee> or in there.
[14:29] <flipstar> actually i don't i just found it in the channel list
[14:30] <ikonia> you know the topic of it ?
[14:30] <Hobbsee> ikonia: it got changed recently.
[14:30] <Hobbsee> flipstar: how convenient.
[14:31]  * PriceChild sighs
[14:32]  * Hobbsee unbans, and will ban for longer next time when teh trolls come out and do that again.
[14:33]  * Hobbsee sighs at PriceChild
[14:33] <PriceChild> :)
[14:33]  * jussio1 sighs at the trolls
[14:34] <Hobbsee> jussio1: would be nice if freenode did something.  gotta love it
[14:37] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: About who?
[14:37] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: any of the trolls would be nice.
[14:37] <jussio1> Hobbsee: dont you dare mention that name...
[14:38] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: what are piero's alternate nicks, for eg.
[14:38] <Hobbsee> and is one of them fujisan, or is it another known troll?
[14:38] <PriceChild> I don't think you've asked freenode to do that..? And I don't think they would unless it was a network problem, in which case they'd deal with it themselves?
[14:39] <PriceChild> ("think" "think")
[14:39] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: so, i'm asking now, and fujisan has trolled in multiple channels, not all in the ubuntu namespace, so it should class as a network problem by now.
[14:39] <Hobbsee> at least, for the old meanings of network problem.
[14:40] <PriceChild> multiple channels?
[14:40] <PriceChild> which ones?
[14:40]  * Hobbsee thought the list got mentioend days ago
[14:41] <PriceChild> I haven't seen one.
[14:41] <jussio1> I could name 2 off the top of my head... #u, and #u-ot
[14:43] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: some of them were private, and now hidden.  I can't give the names of them out.
[14:44] <Hobbsee> (and are not to do with ubuntu)
[14:47] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: didn't he stop that though?
[14:47] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: he did to me.  he hasn't to elkbuntu, Myrtti, and making generally sexist comments in channel.
[14:50] <PriceChild> I don't think what he did in -offtopic is a freenode problem? :/ I can pass it on though if you still want me to?
[14:51] <Hobbsee> no, freenode wans't hte main one
[14:51] <Hobbsee> er, -offtopic wasn't hte main one
[14:52] <PriceChild> ..
[14:55] <PriceChild> since i had a natter with him a day or so ago, where?
[15:23] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: ^
[15:52] <ubotu> Nafallo called the ops in #ubuntu-irc ()
[16:11] <Amaranth> open week is starting
[16:11] <Amaranth> I won't be able to help run it all day
[16:15] <stdin> well, not 15 mins in to open week and already +m :p
[16:18] <Amaranth> Can someone put ubotu in -chat?
[16:20] <Mez> @capabilites admin
[16:20] <Mez> @capabilities admin
[16:20] <ubotu> (capabilities [<name>]) -- Returns the capabilities of the user specified by <name>; if <name> isn't specified, returns the hostmasks of the user calling the command.
[16:20] <Mez> @capability list admin
[16:20] <ubotu> (capability list [<channel>]) -- Returns the capabilities present on the <channel>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
[16:20] <Mez> @capability admin
[16:20] <Mez> @capability
[16:20] <PriceChild> does it need to be +m? :/
[16:27] <stdin> there were a lot of /ignore messages flooding at the time
[16:48] <PriceChild> funky
[17:55] <ubotu> bazhang called the ops in #ubuntu (Ward1983)
[18:35] <Amaranth_> Can someone take over in classroom?
[18:35] <Amaranth_> My connection is super flaky
[18:41] <ubotu> IdleOne called the ops in #ubuntu (CARLSBUTTCAVERNS offensive nick)
[18:45] <Amaranth_> Someone please take over in classroom
[19:02] <ompaul> what needs to be done?
[19:07] <ompaul> Amaranth_, I got it unless someone else wants it
[19:08] <ompaul> please watch for the -classroom people
[19:08] <ompaul> I have to be afk for 10
[19:09] <gnomefreak> its that time again for dev week?
[19:12] <ompaul> ack
[19:12] <ompaul> back
[19:37] <ompaul> Brunellus, how can we help you?
[19:40] <r1ddl3r> hello people
[19:40] <r1ddl3r> can i ask a bit of help??
[19:40] <Jack_Sparrow> What is the issue
[19:41] <r1ddl3r> i need to tell me if there is some1/somechan/or some site that can shed some light on ubuntu serial communication
[19:42] <r1ddl3r> i'm developing a tool for Embedded programming
[19:42] <Jack_Sparrow> no in here..   please see the main channel #Ubuntu
[19:42] <r1ddl3r> :S
[19:42] <r1ddl3r> it's a havoc there :(
[19:42] <Jack_Sparrow> There are other channels for dev etc...
[19:43] <r1ddl3r> so #ubuntu-dev would have some1 knowleadgable?
[19:43] <r1ddl3r> knowlegeable**
[20:00] <gnomefreak> r1might try #ubuntu-motu rather than #ubuntu-dev
[20:01] <gnomefreak> hes gone ;)
[20:29] <ompaul> Amaranth, are you back to mind -classroom?
[20:30] <Amaranth> I suppose I can
[20:30] <Amaranth> next session
[20:30] <Amaranth> Just got my cable switched over to the new apartment
[20:30] <ompaul> Amaranth, yeah I need to do some shopping shops may be 24 hours but I only do 16 ;-) 
[20:31] <Amaranth> I need 30 minutes to go through this backlog of email :/
[20:31] <Amaranth> Damn I checked it 6 hours ago
[20:33] <highvoltage> ompaul: how did your display issues work out with hardy?
[20:38] <ompaul> highvoltage, I working monitors
[20:38] <ompaul> but the resolution is rubbish
[20:38] <ompaul> however as it is a desktop server the clients are what matters now :)
[20:39] <ompaul> highvoltage,  it is using an ATI EL1000
[20:39] <ompaul> so I have just now been installing stuff like slapd on it - it works so I am not too worried
[20:40] <ikonia> ompaul: that must be frustrating with an ati 
[20:40] <ikonia> ompaul: I'm still waiting to see this "open leap forward" from ati/amd
[20:40] <ompaul> ikonia, I don't care the X served by the local boxen that run it
[20:40] <ikonia> pardon ?
[20:40] <ompaul> so - the session server does not have to be clever
[20:40] <ikonia> that went totally above my head
[20:41] <ompaul> ikonia, I live in the world of xdmcp
[20:41] <ikonia> is the ati card the local xserver or remote ?
[20:41] <ikonia> xdmcp is fine, that bit is easy
[20:41] <ompaul> ati is the desktop server
[20:41] <ikonia> I miss-understood your setup
[20:41] <ikonia> ompaul: ahh so the ati is your "local" x server
[20:41] <ompaul> the local desktops are all fine
[20:41] <ikonia> ooh
[20:41] <ikonia> the remote server is ati then
[20:41] <ompaul> ikonia, well it will be remote
[20:41] <ompaul> yes
[20:42] <ikonia> so surly the actual display on that server doesn't matter
[20:42] <ompaul> btw LFS worked on it for X but gutsy did not :)
[20:42] <ikonia> LFS ?
[20:42] <highvoltage> ompaul: ah
[20:42] <ikonia> as in from scratch
[20:42] <ompaul> the display on the server does not matter to me
[20:42] <ikonia> ompaul: but exporting the server to your local X server is borking ?
[20:42] <ompaul> ikonia, well I would hardly mention anything else to you 
[20:42] <highvoltage> ompaul: you still use xdmcp? why?
[20:43] <ompaul> ikonia, the box that is in question is an IBM x3590 or some such iirc
[20:43] <ikonia> ompaul: I didn't know you used it, and well done you've just been promoted to a beta tester for a LFS 7 build
[20:43] <ompaul> ikonia, I was like "will this boot" ?
[20:43] <ikonia> thats always the magic
[20:43] <highvoltage> ompaul: are you using the LTSP that ships with Ubuntu?
[20:44] <ikonia> I must take that off topic from you to get feedback on the process
[20:44] <ompaul> highvoltage, no I am not doing ltsp at all
[20:44] <ompaul> xdmcp only 
[20:44] <ompaul> ltsp is in use but its boxes are dying
[20:45] <highvoltage> ah I see
[20:45] <ompaul> I found it too much when 30 people walk into a building and turn on their little boxes at the same time
[20:45] <ompaul> much easier to just import X from some remote box given that the start up time is a couple of seconds even over a congested interbuilding connection
[20:46] <ompaul> highvoltage, but to be honest I am starting a new build out of a new office so who knows what I will end up with - this is going to be turned into a template for the rest of the business
[20:46] <ompaul> i.e. the great retro fit :)
[20:47] <highvoltage> cool.
[20:47] <ompaul> highvoltage, I would love to say yes to ltsp but the load on the network on start up is cruel 
[20:48] <ompaul> and then you want other apps not to be impacted
[20:50] <ikonia> ompaul: I have much to ask in you in that case
[20:51] <ikonia> you could provide valuable feedback
[20:51] <ikonia> if you have a production implimentations
[20:51] <Amaranth> So any of you know what swik is?
[20:51] <Amaranth> They seem to be making money off of my blog posts
[20:53] <ompaul> Amaranth, and the licence on your posts is?
[20:53] <Amaranth> Copyright © 2007 Travis Watkins.
[20:53] <Amaranth> that's it
[20:53] <Amaranth> no sharing license
[20:53] <ompaul> so they have no right
[20:53] <ompaul> your first line is to request a take down
[20:54] <ompaul> and a bill (not unreasonable)
[20:54] <ompaul> then you go for the jugular (btw IANAL and TINLA ;-)) 
[20:54] <ompaul> but it how I would go for them
[20:55] <Amaranth> a bill?
[20:56] <highvoltage> ompaul: you could have one small server for bootup, and one large one for the actual applications.
[20:56] <highvoltage> ompaul: disable ssh compression on ltsp also greatly performs server performance
[20:56] <ompaul> highvoltage, network traffic the box I have could do it all in its sleep
[20:56] <fearl> Can you guys pay better attention to Vlet in #ubuntu ... some of his answers to users are astonishing...
[20:56] <fearl> His answer to an issue with X? "reinstall"... as one example...
[20:57] <Amaranth> pfft, nixternal can run his own session :P
[20:57] <ompaul> fearl, thanks
[20:57] <ompaul> noted
[20:57] <fearl> ompaul: Appreciated  :)
[20:58] <Seveas> W T F
[20:58] <Seveas> <-- fearl (n=francis@unaffiliated/lunitik) has left #ubuntu-ops ("Leaving")
[20:58] <Seveas> who the f unbanned that fucker?
[20:59] <ompaul> which one
[20:59] <Seveas> lunitik!
[20:59] <ompaul> ohh fuck
[20:59] <ompaul> kill -
[20:59] <Seveas> I said that if he was unbanned I'd leave
[20:59] <ompaul> kill -9
[20:59] <Seveas> so goodbye
[20:59] <ompaul> just kill -9
[20:59] <ompaul> fuck
[20:59] <ompaul> fuckidiy fuck fuck cuk
[21:00] <ompaul> gaaaaaaa
[21:00] <ompaul> back later
[21:01] <ompaul> I am not going to sit at the keyboard while what is in my mind might get to keyboard
[21:02] <fearl> Another recommendation... any way to get a #ubuntu-upgrades channel going officially to direct people having issues on the upgrade to hardy? Lots of people are having that issue...
[21:03] <fearl> If the traffic is at least more focused in that area, even those of us that experienced no issues will learn and be able to help if no one having encountered the issue is around...
[21:07] <Amaranth> No thank you
[21:09] <fearl> About 1 out of every 10 questions relate to the update procedure... and none are being assisted currently... but ok
[21:11] <Amaranth> So...where is Seveas?
[21:11] <Seeker`> erm, has anyone seen the mail on the -irc list?
[21:12] <Amaranth> Yeah, because that's really following the CoC's "Step down considerately" section
[21:13] <Amaranth> If we had the ban tracker we could look at when/why/how fearl was banned, I certainly don't remember it
[21:13] <Daviey> That is really quite awful.  Leaving is one thing, taking his toys with his pram is another :/
[21:14] <Seeker`> I think lunatik was pre-bantracker or something
[21:15] <Amaranth> Actually now that I think about it I do remember that
[21:15] <Daviey> thankfully we have ubot3 etc
[21:15] <Amaranth> How the heck did he get unbanned from #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic?
[21:15] <Amaranth> I can see accidentally getting cleared from one
[21:15] <nalioth> Daviey: ubot3 depends on ubotus db
[21:15] <nalioth> Daviey: as do all the ubut*s
[21:15] <Amaranth> But I remember Seveas readding it the couple times it got removed accidentally
[21:15] <Daviey> nalioth: and we don't have that in bzr?
[21:16] <Amaranth> I'm tempted to send a reply "Grow up."
[21:16] <Seeker`> Mootbot has gone too :/
[21:16] <mc44> Amaranth: I'm sure that will help.
[21:16] <nalioth> Daviey: seveas never put it there
[21:16]  * Daviey wrote a reply, and saved it to drafts rather than replying
[21:17] <Daviey> nalioth: :(
[21:17] <Amaranth> ok, anyone have comprehensive logs?
[21:18] <Amaranth> i just have xchat-gnome save important things, i don't log everything
[21:18] <Amaranth> Find out who cleared that ban
[21:18] <Daviey> one mo
[21:19] <Daviey> 13:31 -!- mode/#ubuntu [-bbbb lunitik!*@* %*!*@84.34.147.110 %*!*@bas1-toronto35-1279336535.dsl.bell.ca %labcom_!*@*] by Seveas
[21:19] <Amaranth> uh
[21:19] <fdoving> so, can we have a little less moody bot-host pelase? 
[21:19] <Amaranth> That's...surprising
[21:19] <Seeker`> I;m sorry, but I can't hlep but laugh at that
[21:20]  * Amaranth sends that as a reply instead
[21:20] <Daviey> Amaranth: i think it's old, just checking the date
[21:20] <Myrtti> erh
[21:20] <Daviey> Amaranth: WAIT
[21:20] <Amaranth> ok
[21:20] <Myrtti> ffs
[21:20] <Seeker`> n=francis@unaffiliated/lunitik isn't covered by that bad
[21:20] <Seeker`> s/bad/ban
[21:21] <Daviey> wow, i need to rotate logs
[21:21] <Myrtti> we - so - badly - need - mass - latency - on - the - logs
[21:22] <mneptok> [mneptok@snowwhite] mneptok :: grep lunitik irclogs/2008/Freenode/\#ubuntu.*
[21:22] <mneptok> irclogs/2008/Freenode/#ubuntu.01-16.log:08:27 -!- mode/#ubuntu [-bbb lunitik!*@* broken_ladder!*@* *!*dnchs@*] by Mez
[21:22] <mneptok> irclogs/2008/Freenode/#ubuntu.01-24.log:07:19 -!- lunitik [n=fearl@ip68-230-79-95.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu
[21:22] <mneptok> irclogs/2008/Freenode/#ubuntu.01-24.log:07:19 -!- mode/#ubuntu [+b lunitik!*@*] by ChanServ
[21:22] <mneptok> irclogs/2008/Freenode/#ubuntu.01-24.log:07:19 -!- lunitik [n=fearl@ip68-230-79-95.ph.ph.cox.net] has left #ubuntu [requested by ChanServ]
[21:22] <mneptok> irclogs/2008/Freenode/#ubuntu.03-08.log:07:08 -!- mode/#ubuntu [-bbbb *!*@CPE00012e15cab1-CM00194757ed42.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com *!*@adsl-234-94-165.lft.bellsouth.net lunitik!*@* *!*n=ubuntu@*.prvdri.east.verizon.net] by Seveas
[21:22] <mneptok> irclogs/2008/Freenode/#ubuntu.04-19.log:06:10 -!- lunitik [n=fearl@unaffiliated/lunitik] has joined #ubuntu
[21:22] <mneptok> irclogs/2008/Freenode/#ubuntu.04-19.log:06:10 -!- mode/#ubuntu [+b lunitik!*@*] by ChanServ
[21:22] <mneptok> irclogs/2008/Freenode/#ubuntu.04-19.log:06:10 -!- lunitik [n=fearl@unaffiliated/lunitik] has left #ubuntu [requested by ChanServ]
[21:22] <mneptok> irclogs/2008/Freenode/#ubuntu.04-19.log:06:11 -!- fearl [n=fearl@unaffiliated/lunitik] has joined #ubuntu
[21:22] <mneptok> irclogs/2008/Freenode/#ubuntu.04-19.log:06:26 -!- fearl [n=fearl@unaffiliated/lunitik] has left #ubuntu ["Leaving"]
[21:22] <mneptok> irclogs/2008/Freenode/#ubuntu.04-24.log:08:30 -!- mode/#ubuntu [-bbbb lunitik!*@* %*!*@84.34.147.110 %*!*@bas1-toronto35-1279336535.dsl.bell.ca %labcom_!*@*] by Seveas
[21:22] <mneptok> irclogs/2008/Freenode/#ubuntu.04-28.log:11:51 -!- fearl [n=francis@unaffiliated/lunitik] has joined #ubuntu
[21:22] <mneptok> irclogs/2008/Freenode/#ubuntu.04-28.log:15:21 -!- fearl [n=francis@unaffiliated/lunitik] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
[21:22] <mneptok> irclogs/2008/Freenode/#ubuntu.04-28.log:15:23 -!- fearl [n=francis@unaffiliated/lunitik] has joined #ubuntu
[21:23] <mneptok> AFAIC, there was never a ban against his cloak
[21:23] <Daviey> http://pastebin.com/m549ea198
[21:23] <mneptok> *AFAICT
[21:23] <mneptok> at least not this year in #ubuntu.
[21:23] <Amaranth> So it's an autoban in chanserv based on nick
[21:23] <mneptok> seems to be
[21:24] <Amaranth> afaik only seveas can set those up
[21:24] <Amaranth> so this is his own fault
[21:24] <Daviey> I don't have enough ram on the server it's on to open my #ubuntu log :(
[21:24] <Pici> iirc, only the IRC council has access to autobans now
[21:24] <mneptok> caveat: my logs are not 100% complete. i disconnect now and again.
[21:24] <Seeker`> Daviey: scp to somewhere else?
[21:24] <Daviey> yeah
[21:25] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[21:25] <Amaranth> /cs autorem #ubuntu list
[21:25] <Amaranth> someone with access to do
[21:25] <Amaranth> err, someone with access do that
[21:26]  * mneptok pats Myrtti 
[21:26] <Pici> bleh
[21:26] <Daviey> Seeker`: it's 241M :/
[21:26] <Pici> That was not the email I wanted to be reading
[21:26] <Myrtti> it's better that I just shut up
[21:26] <Daviey> i'll tar
[21:27] <Myrtti> I've got nothing positive to say
[21:27] <jussio1> what the heck is going on????
[21:27]  * Amaranth turns up RATM and pretends this never happened
[21:27] <Amaranth> Have fun.
[21:27] <Pici> :(
[21:27] <mneptok> Myrtti: let's go outside an engage in mutual groin kicking. same result, less waiting.
[21:27] <Myrtti> jussio1: the exact thing I was afraid was going to happen
[21:28] <Seeker`> jussio1: At the moment it seems like there wasn't a comprehensive set of bans set of lunitik, which meant that he can can get into some #ubuntu channels. Seveas has stated before that if anyone ever lifts a ban on lunitik, he will leave
[21:28] <nalioth> on the autorem:  *!*lunitik@*  lunitik!*@*  
[21:28] <jussio1> ok. so he left? 
[21:29] <Amaranth> Figures
[21:29] <Seeker`> jussio1: Yes. Along with any bots on his connection.
[21:29] <Amaranth> Well, he just got banned from #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:29] <jussio1> Ok. do we need ubot5 then?
[21:29] <Pici> nalioth: Do you happen to have anything in your logs about what was on the autorem? 
[21:29] <Amaranth> He is still in #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat
[21:30] <fearl> Why am I being banned from the Ubuntu channels?
[21:30] <Amaranth> fearl: Ban evasion.
[21:30] <fearl> I have been well behaved and helpful, and it's a 3 year old ban that wasn't justified then...
[21:30] <Amaranth> fearl: You are lunitik, lunitik has a ban set
[21:30] <fearl> I told Seveas he was wrong, so he banned me... that's it, no warning, no nothing.
[21:31] <nalioth> Pici: i don't understand
[21:31] <fearl> I wasn't rude, I did NOTHING wrong... 3 years later, I'm still banned.
[21:31] <Amaranth> fearl: It is up to Seveas to decide when you get unbanned
[21:31] <Amaranth> Or the IRC Council
[21:31] <Amaranth> Evading a ban doesn't make it all better
[21:32] <fearl> Seveas ignores every attempt to even discuss it with him.
[21:32] <fearl> 3 years of the same ban because an op has an ego is better?
[21:32] <Pici> nalioth: I mean, is there a chance that you listed the autorems in the past and have that logged? 
[21:33] <Pici> I'm just wondering if either something was removed or this is legimate evasion
[21:33] <Pici> 'legitimate'
[21:33] <Amaranth> Pici: No, the autorem has always banned based on nick in mneptok's logs
[21:33] <fearl> How do I discuss this with the IRC Council?
[21:33] <fearl> I thought this was the IRC Council channel?
[21:34] <Amaranth> I could tell you if we had our bot...
[21:34] <mneptok> fearl: not all ops are council members. like me.
[21:34] <Seeker`> This is the IRC operator channel, there is a difference
[21:34] <nalioth> Pici: i don't do autorems, i'm afraid
[21:34] <Pici> nalioth: okay
[21:34] <fearl> Amaranth: care to give me an over view? 
[21:35] <Amaranth> Actually I have no idea how to add something to the IRC Council agenda
[21:35] <Daviey> email their ML would be a good start IMO
[21:35] <tonyyarusso> The mailing list is the place to start.
[21:35] <tonyyarusso> bah, I lose.
[21:35] <Amaranth> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/IrcCouncil/MeetingAgenda is way out of date
[21:36] <fearl> Can I stay here until Seveas comes back, I believe he saw me being helpful earlier, and polite... maybe he will be willing... just someone say my name when he comes?
[21:36] <Daviey> irc-council@lists.ubuntu.com
[21:36] <Amaranth> fearl: He isn't coming back
[21:36] <Amaranth> fearl: And we have a real against idling in here
[21:36] <fearl> Daviey: How would I join that list?
[21:36] <Seeker`> fearl: I doubt he will come back if you are in any #*ubuntu* channel
[21:36] <gnomefreak> rule
[21:36] <Daviey> fearl: just email to it
[21:36] <Amaranth> rule, yeah
[21:36] <tonyyarusso> (does fearl go by another nick sometimes?)
[21:36] <Amaranth> was starting to sing the song i'm listening to :P
[21:36] <Amaranth> tonyyarusso: /whois
[21:37] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: yes luniotic
[21:37] <fearl> Seeker`: Currently I'm only in the classroom channels... surely that is not disallowed?
[21:37] <Myrtti> I'm getting a headache
[21:37] <tonyyarusso> ah, 'k.
[21:37] <gnomefreak> or something of the sort
[21:37] <fearl> tonyyarusso: One hostmask.
[21:37]  * tonyyarusso is starting to get in the loop, kinda
[21:37] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: me too
[21:37]  * gnomefreak read email loked for ubotu looked in here got caught up
[21:37] <Daviey> Chaps.. more pressing issue- factoid db
[21:37] <Amaranth> There has to be a legitimate reason for this to be the only autorem we have set in the history of the channel.
[21:38] <fearl> Am I allowed to stay in the classroom channels? Or is that still ban evasion?
[21:38] <Amaranth> I don't think you were ever banned from those
[21:38] <tonyyarusso> Daviey: True
[21:38] <jussio1> Daviey: I have the latest one - the site with it is still up - grabbed it 2 mins ago
[21:38] <Daviey> fearl: If you aren't evading a ban that was set there, you are fine
[21:38] <Daviey> jussio1: you rock!
[21:38] <jussio1> :)
[21:38] <gnomefreak> jussio1: good job now we need host and bot
[21:39]  * jussio1 also has those...
[21:39] <mneptok> slow down.
[21:39] <Amaranth> So our bot is read-only until we figure out what to do about this
[21:39] <fearl> Daviey: I wasn't aware I was evading a ban currently, I have the same hostmask, and it let me join 3 years after the ban... I figured it was lifted  :/
[21:39]  * gnomefreak failed out of boyscouts :(
[21:39] <fearl> Anyway, I'll e-mail the list and see what happens I guess.
[21:39] <mneptok> please don't run around trying to recreate functionality we're not certain is gone, and if it is, will need some discussion.
[21:39] <tonyyarusso> I have some experience running supybots, but not with coding them, nor do I have hosting of my own.  So, if you can find hosting, I can help administer at least.
[21:39] <Pici> mneptok: +1
[21:40] <Amaranth> mneptok: This got dropped on us pretty quick
[21:40] <Amaranth> Priority #1: Get a working bot running
[21:40] <Daviey> mneptok: well at the very least. seveas needs to be kept away from the new one.
[21:40] <gnomefreak> mneptok: i just got email maybe 3 -5 minutes ago
[21:40] <tonyyarusso> mneptok: not certain?  It's not in #ubuntu - pretty certain.
[21:40] <gnomefreak> he was already gone 
[21:40] <jussio1> Im going to drop ubot5 into #ubuntu if no one has any issues? (temporary)
[21:40] <Amaranth> I like the guy but I think this proves he should not be in charge of such things
[21:41] <Amaranth> jussi01: Please do.
[21:41] <gnomefreak> jussio1: does it do bugs?
[21:41] <mneptok> Priority #1 = ensure Seveas is really gone, get consensus from IRC Council on next steps.
[21:41] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: some bugs are better than zero features.
[21:41] <jussio1> bug 1
[21:41] <mneptok> (IMNSHO) :)
[21:41] <Seeker`> mneptok: is "ensure" really the right word?
[21:41] <Daviey> !ops
[21:42] <Daviey> haha, fail
[21:42] <tonyyarusso> mneptok: We don't have time.
[21:42] <Amaranth> mneptok: We can put the bot away if Seveas comes back
[21:42] <Amaranth> Although I'm not sure we should...
[21:42] <gnomefreak> mozilla bug 304048
[21:42] <Amaranth> This is really fucked up
[21:42] <jussio1> Daviey: its silenced here i think
[21:42] <Amaranth> If ubot5 muted?
[21:42] <Amaranth> Can someone unmute it?
[21:42] <Pici> Probably
[21:42] <tonyyarusso> yes
[21:43] <gnomefreak> mozilla bug 304048
[21:43] <gnomefreak> bug 1
[21:43] <Amaranth> !chat
[21:43] <Amaranth> no bugs but we have factoids
[21:43] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: snarfer is a different plugin, which jussio1 likely doesnt' have
[21:43] <gnomefreak> its basic factoid
[21:43] <Amaranth> !chat-#ubuntu-classroom
[21:43] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: catching on to that :)
[21:43] <Amaranth> Not a recent DB but oh well, at least it works
[21:44]  * mneptok is getting jono's attention
[21:44] <Daviey> Is it worth jussio1 checking his db into bzr?
[21:44] <jussio1> arggh, forgot you cant update the db while its running
[21:44] <Myrtti> jussio1: we love you
[21:44] <nalioth> who does ubot5 belong to?
[21:44] <jussio1> me
[21:45] <nalioth> jussio1: can you see what is wrong with it?
[21:45] <Amaranth> What's wrong with it?
[21:45] <tonyyarusso> If we can cough up $19.95 we could get a Linode dedicated for ubotu.  I don't have one yet though.
[21:45] <jussio1> nalioth: what do you mean?
[21:45] <nalioth> it's not identified to services
[21:45] <tonyyarusso> (/mo)
[21:45]  * Daviey mirrors mootbot logs before they go
[21:45] <nalioth> no PMs to unid/unregistered users
[21:45] <Amaranth> What is mootbot?
[21:45] <jussio1> yeah
[21:45] <Daviey> Amaranth: the meeting bot
[21:45] <Pici> Plus it spews errors in the channel, rather then sending them via pm
[21:45] <jussio1> I havent registered it yet. 
[21:45] <Amaranth> oh great
[21:46] <Amaranth> wait, isn't seveas the CC Secretary?
[21:46] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: yes
[21:46] <tonyyarusso> was at least, not sure if that's still the case
[21:46] <tonyyarusso> probably
[21:46] <jussio1> well this is kinda sudden, havent fixed those bits yet. Has someone got something better?
[21:46] <gnomefreak> mneptok: update jono on that too?
[21:46] <Amaranth> *groan*
[21:46] <gnomefreak> what happend to ljl or nalioth's bots?
[21:47] <gnomefreak> or were they seveas?
[21:47] <tonyyarusso> ubot3 is here still.
[21:47] <ubot3> Factoid is here still. not found
[21:47] <Amaranth> ubot3: chat
[21:47] <ubot3> The Instant Messenger Client Pidgin (formerly Gaim) (http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto) supports MSN, Jabber, AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ and IRC. See also !Kopete
[21:47] <gnomefreak> we have the updated DB so all it has to be done is merge it with the db they have right?
[21:48] <gnomefreak> wait a minute didnt seveas push ubotu code to LP?
[21:48] <Pici> Yes.
[21:48] <Daviey> yeah, but not the factoids
[21:48] <gnomefreak> just basic code?
[21:48] <jussio1> https://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/ is still up...
[21:49] <Myrtti> I got connection failed
[21:49] <Myrtti> no wait
[21:49] <Myrtti> that's epiphany
[21:49] <tonyyarusso> I downloaded the .db as well.
[21:49] <gnomefreak> ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org:443 uses an invalid security certificate.
[21:49] <gnomefreak> The certificate is not trusted because the issuer certificate is unknown.
[21:49] <gnomefreak> (Error code: sec_error_unknown_issuer)
[21:49] <gnomefreak> Myrtti: i doubt it is
[21:50] <jdong> gnomefreak: probably a self-signed certificate 
[21:50] <Pici> gnomefreak: add an exception
[21:50] <Myrtti> yeah
[21:50] <Myrtti> that's it
[21:50] <gnomefreak> ah
[21:50] <jussio1> just do: wget --no-check-certificate https://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/ubuntu.db
[21:50] <Myrtti> I've used epiphany only for one day so I'm not used to this yet :-P
[21:51] <gnomefreak> ah thanks
[21:51] <gnomefreak> everything is there including plugins
[21:52] <gnomefreak> http://blackbird.kaarsemaker.net/code/ubotu is the plugins
[21:52] <Pici> No, they're on LP
[21:52] <mneptok> Myrtti: another 48 hours and you'll be in full-blown extensions withdrawal
[21:52] <gnomefreak> ok the page is wrong than?
[21:52] <mneptok> Myrtti: (like you were when Fx3 showed up) ;)
[21:53] <nalioth> Myrtti: that's a strange coincidence.  i used to use epiphany daily, until i upgraded and both it and galeon are no longer available  :(
[21:53] <Myrtti> mneptok: I've not touched fx3 at all
[21:54] <Amaranth> I swear if I find out this code isn't working because konq is paranoid and doesn't send referrer headers I'm going to be pissed
[21:54] <Pici> This is ridiculous 
[21:54] <Myrtti> Pici: yes, we know
[21:54] <ompaul> mneptok, chanserv banned him
[21:55] <Amaranth> jcastro IM'ed me about it :/
[21:56] <Amaranth> Anyone have a phone number for Seveas?
[21:56] <Amaranth> nevermind
[21:56] <Daviey> has someone got hold of jono?
[21:56] <Amaranth> Yep
[21:57] <Myrtti> unbelievable
[21:57] <jcastro> ok ... anyone have a # for seveas?
[21:57] <Pici> Myrtti: Whats up?
[21:57] <Amaranth> err, you just told me you had it :P
[21:57] <jdong> "Hey Dennis, is your refrigerator running?"
[21:57] <jdong> lol
[21:57]  * Pici doesnt think this is funny
[21:58] <ompaul> jdong, no funny
[21:58] <Amaranth> I laughed :/
[21:58] <jdong> what happened?
[21:58] <jdong> is this just getting the bot up?
[21:58] <Myrtti> pardon my french
[21:58] <jussio1> jcastro: his website: http://www.kaarsemaker.net/contact/
[21:58] <Amaranth> jdong: Seveas quit and took the bots with him
[21:58] <jdong> Amaranth: oh. quit quit?
[21:58] <jcastro> jussio1: thanks
[21:58] <Myrtti> quit quit
[21:58] <Daviey> yus, see the list
[21:58] <mc44> er, do you really want to go calling him before you're clear on what happened?
[21:58] <jdong> yikes
[21:58] <Amaranth> mc44: We're clear on what happened...
[21:59] <ompaul> I am clear on what happened
[21:59] <Amaranth> jcastro has the details
[21:59] <mc44> ok good :)
[21:59] <Myrtti> /me feels like saying things like "I knew this" zested with plenty of cursing
[22:01] <ompaul> mneptok, he was banned by chanserv for showing up
[22:01] <tonyyarusso> Meanwhile, I just had a think about how to make better redudancies with multiple supybots, but I'll need to look into whether it would work without some kind of infinite loop.  Will send a note if it sounds plausible.
[22:02] <mneptok> ompaul: i know. the key point is "who unbanned him?" and that seems to be, "nobody, as his current mask was never banned."
[22:02] <ompaul> there should have been two versions of chanserv locking him out
[22:02] <ompaul> someone removed one of them
[22:02] <ompaul> as in 
[22:03] <Seeker`> someones ban-fu wasn't good enough to keep him out 100%
[22:03] <ompaul> Seeker`, no ]
[22:03] <ompaul> Seeker`, there ____WERE_____ two chanserv bans on him 
[22:03] <ompaul> there is only one
[22:03] <ompaul> atm
[22:03] <Pici> ompaul: There are two maks on the autorem: *!*lunitik@*  lunitik!*@*
[22:03] <Seeker`> but I thought that neither of them would have caught his current mask
[22:04] <ompaul> dam
[22:04] <Pici> Seeker`: correct
[22:04] <ompaul> n
[22:04]  * ompaul is so put out by this that ompaul can't read right this evening
[22:04] <Amaranth> Meanwhile #ubuntu-classroom is dead....
[22:04] <Seeker`> ompaul is so put out by this ompaul is talking about ompaul in the third person
[22:05] <jdong> Seeker`: I think that's the 9th person.
[22:05]  * ompaul wraps up Seeker` in a tcp wrapper and sends him to the 31st hop
[22:05] <ompaul> what a cruel way to do someone in
[22:05] <ompaul> ttl is enough and then there is the even horizon
[22:06] <ompaul> wheee I got ttl ttl ttl x lots and suddenly there is no more
[22:06] <ompaul> the source gets quenched
[22:06] <ompaul> mneptok, now tell me that is not perverse
[22:07] <Amaranth> Wow I thought mneptok took over your computer
[22:09] <jussi01> Im going to replace the db. bot will be back in a moment.
[22:09] <ompaul> Amaranth, how?
[22:09] <ompaul> Amaranth, more so "why" did you think that? /me can't see the link
[22:10] <ompaul> Amaranth, maybe I am blind
[22:10] <Amaranth> ompaul: that looks like something mneptok would say
[22:10] <Daviey> The fact that the ban was been removed is irrelevant.. Seveas has really let the side down here.
[22:11] <ompaul> Daviey, I don't concur, and nor will I discuss it.
[22:11] <Amaranth> I guess I'll just send my email
[22:12] <Myrtti> Please, remember, this channel is publicly logged. It's both good and bad.
[22:12] <ompaul> Myrtti, well I can say I did let the the side down eariler
[22:12] <ompaul> Moniker42, and how can you be helped this evening?
[22:13] <Moniker42> hello ompaul, i'm here for the firework show
[22:13] <ompaul> there is none have a nice day 
[22:13] <Moniker42> thanks, you too :)
[22:14] <Amaranth> Moniker42: Bye now.
[22:14] <ompaul> !idle 
[22:14] <PriceChild> Moniker42: where did you come from?
[22:14] <nalioth> jussi01: identify your bot, please
[22:14] <Amaranth> Moniker42: Thanks for stopping by, come again.
[22:14] <Amaranth> Probably that ponies channel. :P
[22:14] <Moniker42> hmm, k >.>
[22:15] <PriceChild> Amaranth: calm down
[22:15] <ompaul> PriceChild, he was right
[22:16] <PriceChild> have you been dealing with him elsewhere?
[22:16] <ompaul> na I just whoised
[22:17] <Amaranth> I was wondering when those guys would find out
[22:18] <ompaul> Amaranth, I guess they did when they saw the mailing list
[22:20] <PriceChild> I think if you haven't been dealing with him earlier, and he has just come randomly, that you should be a tad more polite.
[22:20] <PriceChild> especially when you've just done exactly the same in their channel.
[22:21]  * mneptok waves the "it's just IRC" banner
[22:21] <mneptok> breathe, folks.
[22:21] <Amaranth> You're not even in their channel. :P
[22:21] <PriceChild> Amaranth: aren't I?
[22:21]  * ompaul waves the mneptok banner
[22:21] <Amaranth> Unless staff can hide themselves...
[22:21]  * ompaul retracts the mneptok banner 
[22:21] <mneptok> ompaul: i thought we agreed we'd only use that when the syrup of ipecac ran out.
[22:22] <ompaul> hehehe
[22:22] <PriceChild> lol no I'm not in there, and if staff could... you really think I'd have that already ?! :)
[22:22] <Myrtti> /me goes to get some lemon soda produced with wind power, pours mneptok, ompaul and jussi01 a glass
[22:22] <jdong> PriceChild: yes?
[22:22] <jdong> is that the right answer?
[22:22] <Myrtti> 42?
[22:22]  * mneptok sips a long, cool Myrtti 
[22:22]  * jussi01 huggles Myrtti 
[22:23]  * ompaul makes mint tea for those who don't/can't do soda
[22:23] <ompaul> its all about the chill factor
[22:23] <ompaul> wind chill factor minus zero wind chill factor minus ten below
[22:24]  * PriceChild wonders what seveas' mail to the list is about and decides to catch up on today's scrollback
[22:24] <jdong> aww I want mint tea...
[22:24] <jdong> PriceChild: tell me if you locate said message.
[22:24] <Myrtti> its in the logs
[22:24] <Myrtti> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/04/28/%23ubuntu-ops.html
[22:24] <LjL> it seems i really shouldn't connect to this place
[22:24] <Myrtti> 2058
[22:24] <LjL> either i always come at the wrong moment
[22:24] <LjL> or there isn't a right moment
[22:24] <jussi01> LjL: the latter :/
[22:24] <Myrtti> there isn't a right moment
[22:24] <Myrtti> there never is a right moment for irc
[22:25] <Pici> I dont know what the heck is going on lately, but it has to stop.
[22:25] <jdong> LjL: (1) that's what she said
[22:25] <jdong> LjL: (2) there's never a right moment in this part of the multiverse.
[22:26] <LjL> jdong: multiverse always breaks dependencies anyway
[22:26] <ompaul> multiverse is where jdong lives in his none free world :P
[22:26] <jdong> ompaul: HEY!
[22:26] <jdong> ;-)
[22:26] <jdong> ompaul: I've got SOME rights as long as I don't watch Sony BMG DVDs!
[22:27] <nixternal> can we get a bot in #kubuntu-devel that does bugs and is fully loaded?
[22:28] <ompaul> jdong, na - EMI got your rights 
[22:28] <Amaranth> probably not
[22:28] <elkbuntu> nixternal, we're still trying to figure stuff out
[22:28]  * nixternal was wondering when this day would come
[22:29] <Myrtti> I wasn't
[22:29] <nixternal> I have expected it for 2 years
[22:29]  * Amaranth smokes a pack of cigarettes
[22:29] <Amaranth> I'm calm :P
[22:30] <nixternal> hahahaha
[22:30] <Daviey> Chaps, can we keep this off the planet and following up on the mailing list, at least at the moment .. no point making the drama bigger :/
[22:30] <Pici> I'm going to have to agree on that
[22:30] <nixternal> I am smokin' a nice Romeo y Julietta, with a 52 ring gauge....mmm mmm good, only thing I am missing is a Cognac
[22:30]  * Seeker` wonders why the girls are allowed to blog about it :(
[22:31] <Myrtti> Amaranth: sitting in the bed, staring at the wall and smoking, wondering what happened and where are your clothes?
[22:31] <Amaranth> hahaha
[22:31] <Amaranth> I had a morning like that once...
[22:31] <Daviey> Seeker`: Chaps as in mankind, i think you knew that.
[22:31] <Myrtti> "damn it was disappointing"
[22:31] <ompaul> ONCE?
[22:31] <jussio1> argh, Ineed to run. see you all later. :/
[22:31]  * Seeker` patches Daviey so that he can detect jokes
[22:31] <ompaul> jussi01, don't trip, or if you do send a postcard ;-)
[22:32] <Amaranth> ompaul: You've seen me, it takes a lot of alcohol to do that to me. :P
[22:32] <Amaranth> a _lot_ :D
[22:32] <ompaul> Amaranth, no that is called
[22:32] <ompaul> an awful lot
[22:32] <LjL> [23:32:04] <FloodBot1> WARNING: PM from tonyyarusso - VERSION
[22:32] <LjL> they won't reply
[22:32] <tonyyarusso> Are the Floodbots Supybot or something else?
[22:32] <ompaul> something else
[22:32] <Pici> something else
[22:32] <tonyyarusso> 'k
[22:32] <LjL> jussio1: on the other hand, *your* quassel replies to my *privmsg*
[22:32] <LjL> tonyyarusso: what do you need to know?
[22:32] <Myrtti> LjL: he's gone
[22:33] <tonyyarusso> LjL: thinking bot thoughts and wondering whether they shared any commonality with ubotu.
[22:33] <LjL> tonyyarusso: not a bit
[22:33] <tonyyarusso> LjL: what language are they in?
[22:33] <LjL> PHP
[22:34] <Myrtti> really?
[22:34] <tonyyarusso> ah
[22:34] <Myrtti> :-o
[22:34] <Myrtti> I didn't know php could do *that*
[22:34] <Pici> Powered by voodoo
[22:35] <mneptok> all you need is register_globals and telnet ...
[22:39] <tonyyarusso> Uh, guys - was the ban this is all revolving around a cloak, username, or an IP?
[22:39] <Amaranth> tonyyarusso: a nick and a username
[22:39] <mneptok> nick/ident, IIRC
[22:39] <LjL> nickname
[22:40] <tonyyarusso> whew
[22:40] <LjL> someone else say PHP isn't a language for writing stuff, i kick them in an infinite loop
[22:40] <tonyyarusso> (means it's not one of the ones I removed last month)
[22:42] <ompaul> tonyyarusso, na the ban was not wide enough
[22:42] <mneptok> LjL: working for Apple is, indeed, a stern measure.
[22:43] <ompaul> mneptok, the jordon hubbard option 
[22:43] <nixternal> I know you guys are falling for Seveas totally leaving with the bots right?
[22:43] <nixternal> s/are/aren't?
[22:44] <ompaul> are
[22:44] <LjL> i think merely he needs to be hit with a hammer
[22:44] <nixternal> you realize he is more than likely upgrading his servers to Hardy and when they are complete the bots will be back
[22:44] <LjL> couple of times
[22:44] <LjL> he's upgraded time ago
[22:44] <LjL> (and it failed, too)
[22:44] <nixternal> lol
[22:44] <Daviey> nixternal: no, he's emailed the ubuntu-irc list with his current intentions.. which don't look so good.
[22:44] <ompaul> richie he be gone I guess 99.999% accurate on my part
[22:45] <nixternal> Daviey: I have seen that before from Dennis
[22:45] <nixternal> he doesn't scare me anymore, he will be back
[22:45] <Myrtti> *shrug*
[22:45] <ompaul> nixternal, bet you 1 euro cent
[22:45] <LjL> right now there is no need to worry excessively
[22:45] <LjL> we have bots
[22:45] <LjL> the channel has its 1600 people
[22:45] <LjL> who need ops, incidentally
[22:46] <nixternal> ya
[22:46] <ompaul> there are lot of things to be gotten on with 
[22:46] <nixternal> anything I can do, just hollah
[22:46] <LjL> i've been away for a few days
[22:46] <LjL> the #ubuntu topic is still like i left it on release day
[22:46] <ompaul> nixternal, where would you have gotten to if we hadn't called you back
[22:46] <nixternal> I am always around, just idle as to not get involved with the politics and remain community focused
[22:46] <LjL> i think you all are too concentrated on unpleasant business that have really not much to do with actually opping #ubuntu
[22:47] <nixternal> ompaul: I never left :)
[22:47] <ompaul> nixternal, point
[22:48] <ompaul> nixternal, retract that last point
[22:48] <ompaul> nixternal, game set and match to you
[22:48] <nixternal> lol
[22:48] <nixternal> if I only understood tennis now :p
[22:49] <ompaul> nixternal, will understanding in the future do?
[22:49] <nixternal> possibly
[22:49]  * ompaul hands nixternal a url for wikipedia
[22:52] <Jucato> deuce....
[22:54] <ompaul> Jucato, what the deuce as some would say
[22:54] <Jucato> hehe :)
[23:03] <Amaranth> arg i hate deuce
[23:03] <Amaranth> that crap can go on forever
[23:04] <Amaranth> advantage left team! deuce! advantage right team! deuce! etc
[23:04] <Amaranth> We are talking about Wii Tennis, right?
[23:04]  * PriceChild whispers it happens in real tennis too
[23:04] <PriceChild> :P
[23:05] <ompaul> Amaranth, no we are talking an abstract game of comedy and puns
[23:05] <Amaranth> I find it amusing that Wii Sports is still the game that makes best use of the wiimote
[23:05] <Amaranth> And it was meant to be a little demo to help you get used to using the wiimote
[23:05] <PriceChild> I still haven't played on a wii, or a ps3
[23:42] <unic0rn> is ubuntu irc council responsible in any way for #ubuntu-pl, and if not, would you mind to consider cleaning up that mess?
[23:42] <PriceChild> gah, what's going on now unic0rn?
[23:43] <unic0rn> PriceChild: i guess nothing in particular currently, but one of chanops is being well... pretty much troll-alike.
[23:43] <PriceChild> pablo?
[23:43] <unic0rn> czester
[23:43] <unic0rn> jokes like 'why women do have period? because they deserve it' and such crap
[23:44] <jdong> O_o
[23:44] <unic0rn> i can translate some logs, but tomorrow, i'm going to bed soon
[23:44] <LjL> jdong, i think you'd be better off silent :)
[23:45] <unic0rn> but it's another complaint about him i've got from my friend, and logs are only confirming that.
[23:47] <unic0rn> overall, that place is often heavily offtopic, and while that can be ok sometimes, it's also often rude. the bad thing is, chanops are causing it, not preventing it.
[23:48] <PriceChild> hmm 5 weeks sylwester is gone :/
[23:48] <unic0rn> indeed.
[23:49] <PriceChild> pressenter has been fine afaik? Remember talking with him a little ago.
[23:49] <unic0rn> lemme check logs
[23:50] <unic0rn> hmm
[23:51] <unic0rn> from what i know, he's silent since month
[23:51] <unic0rn> more or less
[23:51] <PriceChild> hey Steck, how can I help?
[23:52] <PriceChild> Neither of hte leaders on the LoCo list are users of irc it appears.
[23:52] <Steck> I'm sorry, not looking for any help at the moment. Had this channel on auto-join.
[23:52] <PriceChild> though they appear active
[23:52] <unic0rn> yeah
[23:55] <mneptok> Steck: this channel discourages idling. please remove it from auto-join.
[23:55] <Steck> Can do.
[23:55] <mneptok> thankee sah.
[23:55]  * Steck nods