[00:18] <alex_mayorga> jcristau, any other tip?
[00:48] <alex_mayorga> is there a modeline calculator package in hardy?
[00:49] <jcristau> alex_mayorga: cvt and gtf get installed with the x server
[00:49] <alex_mayorga> I've managed to un dust the monitor manual
[00:50] <alex_mayorga> and I've got all the details, how do I make it work again?
[00:51] <alex_mayorga> it is 1360x768 47.712 H 60.015 V
[00:52] <alex_mayorga> pixel clock 85.800
[00:52] <alex_mayorga> +/+ sync polarity
[00:53] <alex_mayorga> jcristau, which one shall I use? cvt ot gtf?
[00:58] <alex_mayorga> I'm trying with gtf, what should I put for [refresh]?H or V?
[03:00] <ubotu> New bug: #223399 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "nvidia twinview 'above' setting breaks title bars" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/223399
[04:36] <ubotu> New bug: #223429 in xorg (main) "Resolution autodetection gives unusably big 1600x1200" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/223429
[08:01] <ubotu> New bug: #223493 in xorg (main) "xorg lockup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/223493
[11:16] <ubotu> New bug: #223579 in xorg (main) "Signal 11 in X" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/223579
[11:51] <ubotu> New bug: #223593 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "External Monitor Does Not Work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/223593
[12:16] <tjaalton> there
[12:45] <ubotu> New bug: #223614 in xorg-server (main) "xorg random crashes - Fatal Server Error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/223614
[12:46] <ubotu> New bug: #223613 in xorg (main) "Wrong GDM resolution at boot on  hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/223613
[12:58] <ubotu> New bug: #223607 in xorg (main) "Xorg[9720] crash back to login on entering http://ubuntuguide.org/" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/223607
[14:51] <ubotu> New bug: #223659 in xorg (main) "[Hardy][Nvidia][Dual-Screen] Fresh install, nvidia-new driver shown as unused, wrong resolution" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/223659
[17:37] <ubotu> New bug: #223712 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "FGLRX jerky on Hardy Heron" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/223712
[17:43] <ubotu> New bug: #222346 in firefox-3.0 (main) "Firefox Halts Every Few Mins (dup-of: 215728)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/222346
[17:43] <ubotu> New bug: #223618 in firefox-3.0 (main) "firefox uses cpu and disk for no reason (dup-of: 215728)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/223618
[17:44] <ubotu> New bug: #223680 in firefox-3.0 (main) "Slugish Behavior (dup-of: 215728)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/223680
[17:55] <bryce> morning
[18:01] <ubotu> New bug: #223526 in ubuntu "nvidia-glx-new from bug #222270 (dup-of: 222270)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/223526
[18:16] <ubotu> New bug: #223497 in firefox (universe) "Firefox having lots of disk access and being unresponsive (dup-of: 215728)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/223497
[18:18] <ubotu> New bug: #223630 in firefox (universe) "Firefox 3 slowdown (dup-of: 215728)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/223630
[18:54] <ubotu> New bug: #222899 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "nvidia driver not working in 8.04" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/222899
[19:02] <ubotu> New bug: #221607 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "When activate nvidia proprietary it go down to 640x480" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/221607
[19:02] <james_w> hi bryce 
[19:03] <bryce> heya james_w
[19:03] <bryce> james_w: btw, I noticed in that gf article there was a complaint about fitting the display applet into 740x400 or some such
[19:04] <bryce> james_w: I think what happened was that detection button nudged up the vertical height of the app just enough to push things off screen
[19:04] <bryce> I don't remember if I'd tested with a 400 height, but with 480 there was a little margin.
[19:05] <james_w> yeah, I saw that too. It's a shame really.
[19:05] <bryce> anyway, 740x480 is a pretty non-standard resolution so probably not worth an sru
[19:05] <james_w> your shrinkage patch was a good start though, at least you need to be on a really small resolution to see it.
[19:05] <bryce> yup
[19:06] <james_w> I poked Fedora to intergrate some of our patches, and I'm working with a Foresight developer now to take them as well.
[19:06] <bryce> maybe that button could be moved down next to Apply or something *shrug*
[19:06]  * bryce nods
[19:06] <james_w> that's a good idea.
[19:06] <bryce> yeah I see gnome is mulling them over
[19:06] <james_w> yeah, once F9 is out we can hopefully get it merged.
[19:07] <bryce> though I thought the one complaining about all the contributed patches was a bit rude ;-)
[19:07] <ubotu> New bug: #221402 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "X freezes during boot with nvidia driver activated (Hardy)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/221402
[19:08] <james_w> yeah, I think it's just the effects of the "upstream" mumblings
[19:09] <james_w> I got some comments from the fedora channel while trying to alert them to all the crash fixing patches they were missing
[19:09] <bryce> oh?
[19:12] <bryce> tjaalton: btw, it might be worthwhile for us to make a wishlist of stuff we'd like to see for Xorg in the Intrepid kernel
[19:13] <bryce> tjaalton: it looks like the kernel team is starting to identify their priorities
[19:16] <ubotu> New bug: #220374 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "nvidia broken with 2.6.24-16" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220374
[19:31] <tjaalton> bryce: hehehe :)
[19:31] <tjaalton> bring on the bling!
[19:31] <bryce> :-)
[19:31] <bryce> tjaalton, james_w: I've started writing up a page on how to manually configure X - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config
[19:32] <tjaalton> actually, I asked rtg/BenC about it some time ago, and they agreed that pulling new drm stuff from .27 is ok
[19:32] <bryce> I notice that while the gui tools help 90% of the time, there's still some times when they must do manual configs, so want to have something semi-official to point people at
[19:32] <bryce> tjaalton: think we should ask for kernel mode setting?
[19:32] <tjaalton> yep, it's a mess when people copy each others configs..
[19:33] <bryce> tjaalton: I tested the config I posted there (on an ati box), but if you could, please review/comment/correct if I made any errors or ugly assumptions
[19:33] <tjaalton> bryce: sure, AIUI there's time for it to land in .27
[19:33] <bryce> ok
[19:34] <bryce> tjaalton: also BenC had this question:  What does PAT get us? Does anything use that as well? I know xorg uses
[19:34] <bryce> mtrr's, so will it use PAT if it is available? (CC'd Bryce for this
[19:34] <bryce> one).
[19:35] <bryce> > Page attribute table (PAT) support for x86. PAT can be used
[19:35] <bryce> > independently or in combination with MTRR to setup memory type access
[19:35] <bryce> > ranges. Allows more finely-grained control than MTRR.
[19:42] <tjaalton> bryce: huh, no idea :)
[19:43] <tjaalton> the config looks good to me btw
[19:43] <bryce> yeah me enither
[19:43] <bryce> cool thanks
[19:48] <bryce> I'll make an X/KernelWishlist page
[19:50] <ubotu> New bug: #223774 in xorg (main) "[HARDY] NoDDC option doesn't work for trident cyberblade/i1 resulting in system lockup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/223774
[20:16] <ubotu> New bug: #223735 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "action on one display causes "noise" on the other display" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/223735
[20:22] <james_w> bryce: have you seen the latest mail to gnomecc-list?
[20:27] <bryce> james_w: yeah
[20:27] <bryce> fussy folks
[20:27] <seb128> ?
[20:28] <seb128> what did they do wrongly?
[20:29] <bryce> seb128: sounds like they're declining doing the integration work and ongoing maintenance work, and expect us to continue taking care of it henceforth
[20:30] <seb128> who are "they"?
[20:30] <bryce> Jens Granseuer
[20:30] <seb128> he's upstream and has nothing to do with redhat or ubuntu, he's an arch linux guy I think
[20:31] <bryce> it's sort of disheartening since 90% of the reason all the work was put in to go this direction was so we'd eventually gain their help to do this stuff, and wouldn't be on the hook for maintaining it permanently
[20:31] <seb128> oh, that's not what is happening
[20:31] <seb128> he wants distros to put the work in a mergeable state
[20:31] <seb128> they will maintain it then
[20:32] <seb128> but they don't want to have to figure what distro did what and what version to use
[20:32] <james_w> that's fair enough.
[20:32] <seb128> which is fair enough I guess
[20:33] <bryce> I thought we were clear enough...  both james and I posted and enumerated our patches, and federico is maintaining a git tree with everything merged together, from which a patch could be pulled
[20:33] <seb128> james_w: btw where did you see that soren merged all the changes in redhat?
[20:34] <seb128> bryce: that was not clear no, especially that federico didn't anything there, he just came after the battle to say he will set up a git repository
[20:34] <seb128> bryce: and I don't think soren replied to that, did he?
[20:34] <james_w> seb128: I think I made a mistake saying all. CVS was updated 3 days ago after I prodded them, however it's hard to see what was merged in the CVS viewer.
[20:34] <bryce> soeren doesn't seem to reply to anything ;-)
[20:35] <seb128> james_w: the viewcvs for control-center says they didn't change this patch for 3 weeks now
[20:35] <james_w> where's federico's git tree? It's probably easier to work from that, as Soeren doesn't seem to have updated his.
[20:35] <james_w> seb128: check the F-9 branch, they've branched off now apparently.
[20:35] <seb128> ups
[20:36] <seb128> urg
[20:37] <seb128> the NULL pointer change is some thousand lines diff
[20:39] <seb128> same for the gnome-desktop changes apparently
[20:39] <seb128> james_w: btw your pending changes need proper sru, so a bug describing the changes, what it fixes, etc
[20:40] <seb128> james_w: I can do those if you want
[20:56] <james_w> seb128: ah yes, of course, I can do that tomorrow.
[20:56] <james_w> was it just -desktop?
[20:58] <seb128> gnome-desktop and gnome-control-center
[20:58] <seb128> one fix the clone state and the other one the font used
[20:58] <seb128> I can mail you the patch if you want ;-)
[20:58] <seb128> I've those in my sponsoring dir
[21:00] <james_w> ah, no, I remember, thanks. There still sitting here.
[21:10] <bryce> tjaalton: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/KernelWishlist
[22:47] <bryce> tjaalton: I've sent it on to the kernel team - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/KernelWishlist
[23:04] <tjaalton> bryce: yeah, looks good
[23:04] <bryce> gives us stuff to chat about at UDS
[23:05] <tjaalton> bryce: I think PAT was proposed for .26
[23:05]  * bryce nods
[23:05] <bryce> benc was asking what the value of it was for xorg (what I posted earlier)
[23:07] <tjaalton> yeah
[23:09] <tjaalton> yep, seems to be in upstream .26-snapshot