[00:23] hi, i have a problem installing xubuntu... after installtion, when I reboot my system... GRUB gives me an error 18... [00:27] dodimar: what have you tried thus far to resolve it? have you tried anything? [00:29] done nothing, can't figure it out.. when I first encoutered this (with 7.10), i just re-installed xubuntu (problem with partitioning back then), but now, everything was in order, but can't seem to make it work (tried redoing the installation, still same error)... [00:30] http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/GRUB#Error_18 [00:31] yeah, reading it now, but my grub is placed at the front (should be cause I chose to install grub at the mbr)... [00:55] oh well, have to fix this on my own,, hope I won't give up on xubuntu this time... [00:55] tnx [01:14] It isn't about it not being able to load grub. [01:14] It is about not being able to load the _kernel_. [01:15] So you need to use the solution it outlines and you'll be good. [01:15] :: If he comes back, please repeat my response to him. [01:17] hi [01:19] anyone around? [01:21] Yes. [01:21] Just ask your question ;] [01:30] how do i adjust the volume for my audio device? [01:31] Right click the panel, click add to panel [01:31] teohhanhui: hi again. There's a Volume applet in the panel applets. Right-click the panel and choose something like Add to Panel. (I forgot the exact item and am using GNOME right now.) [01:31] Select the mixer [01:31] and tada :) [01:32] Heya cellofellow :) [01:32] okay, will try that.. but why isn't that more obvious? [01:32] Hey there Cody. What happened to somerville32? [01:32] Well, I set cody-somerville on my laptop so that I could leave my desktop logged in [01:33] oh, ok [01:33] but now my desktop is packed away and I've been using my laptop exclusively. [01:33] teohhanhui, It would be my fault. I'll fix it tomorrow. [01:33] I've been using my laptop now for 6 months, and using GNOME on it so that's why I haven't been in #xubuntu much. [01:33] I'm guilty of that too :P [01:34] Sometimes little weird things popup in GNOME that I know wouldn't have happenned in XFCE. I have the impression that XFCE is a bit of a better-designed system than GNOME. [01:34] desktop, not system. [01:35] :) [01:35] With speed, I figure using Compiz-Fusion on XFCE would defeat the purpose, and I like Compiz. [01:36] it seems like an average user has a lot of packages to install in xubuntu [01:36] cellofellow, I found it was still faster for me. [01:37] hmm, ok [01:37] Although Xfce4's performance gains are slowly fading away as gnome gets faster and more robust. [01:38] Well, I've heard (but not tried it) that the slackware-based XFCE-distros like Zenwalk and Vector are quite a bit faster than Xubuntu. [01:38] Yea, I can see that. [01:38] and xfce4 getting more.... bloated? [01:38] teohhanhui, hehe [01:39] I think Ubuntu's core is getting a bit more bloated too [01:39] I think it's Xubuntu adding stuff to XFCE that makes it seem bloated. Last version of Xubuntu I used was Feisty and I've tried Gutsy but it had way more *stuff*. [01:40] So, I figured, may as well use GNOME. [01:40] was hoping that it could save my 6-year-old pc from all those lags and freezes in XP ;P [01:40] teohhanhui, oh yes. [01:40] * cody-somerville is very happy with Linux. :) [01:40] Unless the hardware is causing the lags and freazes, even KDE4 should lack them. [01:41] unfortuantely, i only have 128mb of ram [01:41] Gah! :( [01:41] I'd recommend atleast 512 [01:41] definetly use Xubuntu or even Fluxbunto on that thing. [01:41] Hey, Xubuntu runs fine on a Pentium III with 319MB. [01:42] At least Feisty did, been using my new Turion X2 2GB with Gutsy. [01:42] any tips to make it faster? hehe [01:42] Get more RAM if you can, disable unused services. [01:43] That's what eats RAM is the services. [01:43] Daemons, services is Windows-speak I don't know why Ubuntu calls Daemons "services". [01:43] Or is that GNOME? [01:45] cody-somerville: What would you say are the real-world minimum hardware requirements for Xubuntu and a "normal" user? [01:46] i didn't realize what "mousepad" was. haha [01:46] I have Xubuntu running on an old Pentium II with 64MB and it starts up rather slow. s3virge video driver seems a bit unstable too. It's Feisty so I don't know what that has to do with it. [01:46] looks like i don't need gedit? [01:46] more like Abiword and Firefox. [01:47] teohhanhui: oh, no, use SciTE on Xubuntu, not GEdit. [01:47] but i only need a plain text editor, like mousepad!! ;P [01:47] Then use Mousepad. [01:47] SciTE is good for more complicated stuff like some conf files, HTML, Python, what have you. [01:48] okay.. what's the difference between autoremove and remove in apt-get? [01:48] * cellofellow uses GEdit mostly for LaTeX, SciTE or vim for a lot of stuff, Eclipse sometimes. [01:49] teohhanhui: autoremove gets rid of some if it was auto installed. [01:49] great [01:49] teohhanhui: seems more complicated to me than using aptitude myself. I almost never use apt-get, opting for aptitude. [01:50] hmm... what's that? [01:50] is it better than apt-get? [01:51] it's a better apt-get. It's got an ncurses-based GUI, and a command-line interface similar to apt-get, but a little more intuitive. [01:51] okay, will try that out too [01:52] it provides the functionality of synaptics without the lags and freezes? cool [01:53] oops.. that's synaptic [01:57] more functionality really. [01:57] Here's the tip for searching descriptions: put ~dsearchterm. Just puting searchterm only searches titles. Took me a while to figure that one out. [01:58] hi all [01:58] any suggestions for audip player with a GUI? [01:58] I just installed xubuntu.desktop [01:58] *audio [01:58] how can I configure and start compizi ? [01:58] I like Exaile but it needs python-gnome2 for full functionality. [01:58] i just did some hours ago, hehe [01:58] teohhanhui: BMPx is good too. [01:59] teohhanhui: and Audacious if you like WinAMP. [02:01] hi [02:02] someone could help me , pls? [02:09] i have no idea how to to jump back to the parent listing in aptitude [02:48] Hello everyone. I'm having trouble with installing the new Xubuntu 8.04 Hardy Heron. Everything installs alright, but I can't boot into my system afterwards. It appears that GRUB is not properly booting up my /boot and root partitions properly. I've tried reinstalling GRUB with grub-install to my MBR (/dev/sda), but when I try to configrue with "grub", I do "root (hd0,4)" then "setup (hd0)" or "setup (hd0,0)", it says 'Checking if "/boot/grub/st [02:48] age1" exists... no' , 'Checking if "/grub/stage1" exists... no', then it says "Error 15: File not found". Right now I'm in the shell it gives me after it installs the base system. === gnomefre1k is now known as gnomefreak [03:20] Whats the volume control package called? [03:20] I cant seem to find it [03:21] * Crazytales uses alsamixer in cli [03:21] :| [03:21] What about something gui like. [03:22] jsoftw: add the volume applet to the panel. [03:22] heya, xubuntu-restricted-extras seems to install fairly bothersome java packages... [03:22] cellofellow: ahh uh.. whats it called ( as a package name ) [03:22] I dont seem to have it. [03:23] jsoftw: just right-click the panel and Add Item to it, it should be in that window. [03:23] its not. [03:23] Hence, my origional question, again. [03:23] hmmmm [03:29] jsoftw: xfce4-mixer I think [03:32] PsynoKhi0: thanks [03:32] np [03:46] does anyone have suggestions for running vbetool without entering a password? [03:48] Currently I'm using a c++ program that uses the "sudo -s" command [04:08] I installed xfce-desktop.Should I remove gnome-desktop [04:09] kaf: see here on how to get pure xubuntu: http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce [04:09] thank you [04:29] Ah, wonderful, I got in... === Finnishe1 is now known as Finn === Finn is now known as Finnisher [04:32] Well, I have a rather old laptop with half-broken CD drive. I can load the alternate Xubuntu CD, but if I try to install the base system from the CD, I get a lot of read errors on the packets. Could it be possible to boot from the CD, set up network connection and then download the base-system from an official (x)ubuntu ftp server? [04:33] !mini | Finnisher [04:33] Finnisher: The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD [04:33] Wonderful, thanks, I'll try it out! [04:34] Finnisher: < 10 mb O.O [04:34] Even if I download the Ubuntu mini-CD, I can choose Xfce instead of Gnome, right? [04:34] Finnisher: but the mirror might be slow nowadays... [04:35] with everyone trying to upgrade... [04:35] naturally [04:57] now, let's try to get that lappy boot the minicd =S [04:59] Should it mention ISOLINUX, like the alternate CD or load a bootloader with F1: Linux ? [04:59] Finnisher: like the alt [05:00] hmm, I guess I keep trying then [05:01] Finnisher: it didn't boot? [05:01] no it didn't [05:01] Finnisher: you burned the iso image, not the iso itself? just double checking [05:01] with some CDs I have to try several times before the drive boots off it [05:02] yes, with ImgBurn [05:02] ok [05:02] ah, 13th time the charm, it booted \o/ [05:05] YES! It retrieves the components from the Internet! Lovely! [05:05] btw the MiniCD page doesn't list the Hardy Heron as LTS release (doesn't have the asterisk) ... [05:06] but then again I guess this isn't the place to mention it [05:06] Finnisher: slow retrieval? [05:12] well it only retrieves installation components for now [05:13] Finnisher: well have fun [05:13] I;m going to bed... [05:13] I don't mind having slow retrieval, I'm going to let it install overnight... or overday... anyway, I'm going to sleep while it downloads =D [05:46] hello [05:48] I'm having a bit of trouble logging in to a xubuntu desktop on my main account. Already tried removing ~/.config/xfce4 folder but I still get a blank, frozen desktop when I log in [05:50] something similar happened to me before, I think it was some incompatibility with xfce + compiz, it would load the desktop apparently but as soon as compiz loaded automatically (it borrowed the settings, it seems, from gnome, but removing the compiz icon from the gnome startup session would not stop it from loading at startup) the screen would flash, and I would get a bunch of empty windows/panels [05:51] removing the .config/xfce4 fixed that that time, but not now... [05:54] do you see your icons? [05:56] nope [05:56] just a blank screen [05:56] hmm [05:57] I mean, the color of the desktop background I guess [05:57] can you alt +f2? [05:57] didn't try... :( [05:58] just killed the desktop with ctrl-alt-bksp [05:59] you could try deleting you cache [05:59] .cache/xfce4/sessions I think [05:59] a bunch of text files in there [06:00] ls .cache/xfce4/ [06:00] desktop/ weather-plugin/ xfrun4/ [06:01] no folder with that name in there [06:05] uh weird [06:05] well, maybe not... [06:11] oh yay, installation of GRUB failed \o/ [06:13] I'll go with LILO then... [06:15] o..k... [06:15] LILO failed as well [06:15] now what? [06:19] grub fails at 0% and lilo fails at 50%, whether I'm trying to install it on master boot record or "new ubuntu installation" [06:19] if I continue without a boot loader, will all the past installation work be for naught? [06:34] well [06:34] I hope I can install a boot loader afterwards [06:34] well fat chance [06:36] because I see the bootloader I used with FreeBSD, it offers Linux as F1, but gives a loud BEEEEP when I press F1, Esc or Enter [06:45] goddamn, started installation again on rescue mode, but it won't accept any server as archive server [06:47] dunno the nick who was helping me just before, I tried logging in to an xfce session after removing those two folders, same thing [06:47] I can alt-f2, and move the mouse, but still just an empty screen [06:51] rpedro: after alt f2, can you launch xfdesktop? [06:51] will have to try again [06:52] but if it works, what should fix it? [06:52] http://ubuntuliving.blogspot.com/2007/04/dude-wheres-my-desktop.html [06:53] oh [06:53] alt-f2 [06:53] read ctrl-alt-f2 :P [06:53] didn't try alt-f2 [06:53] ah [06:54] ok, will try that again [06:55] should I get this bug every time I don't log out properly? [06:56] not sure [06:56] happened to me to lose the panels a few times, but never the whole desktop [06:57] ok, trying again [06:57] thanks for the help :) [06:57] np [06:59] Okee dokee, anyone here know of a good guide for installing Xubuntu 8.04 to flash drive? I've googled and can't find one. [06:59] Or does the normal Ubuntu guide at pen drive linux work for Xubuntu also? [07:01] it should [07:01] Right [07:01] xubuntu - xfce - a few app + gnome = ubuntu :D [07:01] oy [07:02] So how much shorter does a full install make your average flash drive's life expectancy? [07:02] xubuntu - xfce + a few app - a few others + gnome = ubuntu* [07:02] no clue sorry [07:02] Thank you [07:03] it is working [07:03] great! [07:03] strange that now, it loaded the panels automatically at startup, but not the dekstop [07:04] what did you have on your desktop? [07:04] and it is loading a bunch of apps that I haven't had in my gnome startup session for a long while [07:04] just the dekstop icons [07:04] and couldn't right-click for the menu [07:05] xfdesktop fixed it [07:05] ok [07:05] and it is loading 2 copies of pidgin.... [07:06] plus azureus and ekiga, which I only had loading auto for a short while under gnome [07:07] so you mae the switch from gnome to xfce? [07:07] made* [07:07] not a pure xubuntu install, I mean [07:07] but it is very nice of course that it gets the startup apps from gnome, makes it easier to switch [07:07] yes [07:07] aaah [07:07] been using gnome all the time [07:08] double apps/icons are a common issues when switching desktop [07:08] you should be able to fine HowTos to get rid of thos if you want to [07:08] fine = find* [07:11] I still think gnome rocks, of course :) [07:11] :) [07:11] hey [07:11] How can I completely erase MBR? [07:12] no clue [07:13] would some hdd wiping tool do the job? [07:13] it IS on the hdd, after all? [07:13] is anyone else experiencing really slow speeds with ff 3 beta 5? this machine is acting all messed up since the 'upgrade', running xubuntu os on dell opptipllexx with 256 ram, used to work just fine and fast. [07:13] Finnisher: you can fill the fist bytes of your disk with zeroes [07:13] wonderful [07:13] (can't remember how many) [07:13] but the main problem I have with gnome, besides it being slow, is that some 'core' desktop apps don't really seem to get basic development effort on them, (a few) features are added, but bugs and usabillity issues remain... [07:14] but that will make it impossible to boot it [07:14] I was left with FreeBSD bootloader when I installed Xubuntu and now I can't install GRUB or LILO and the FreeBSD loader (BTX is it?) can't load Xubuntu [07:14] Finnisher: why can't you install grub? [07:14] because error? [07:14] albuntu: only ff3 is an issue? [07:14] I dunno [07:15] it just fails [07:15] Finnisher: try disabling the anti-virsu protection in bios [07:15] like gnome-panel, hangs sometimes out of nowhere for me, and nautilus, specially nautilus(!), I think it is a great app, but just seems to get even slower with each release... [07:16] it is such an old bios it has no such thing [07:19] took me close to an hour to find out why my fresh hardy install felt much slower than gutsy: the default theme has animated bars in the panel applets, and they were eating 30-40% of the cpu cycle times heh [07:19] bah he/she left [07:25] firefox crashed on me and took chatzilla down with it. is anybody else having any probs with ff 3 beta 5 which got installed with the hardy 'upgrade'? [07:38] albuntu: ff 3 crashes for me all the time too [07:39] albuntu: on hardy, cause firefox 3 on gutsy didn't [07:40] rpedro, i wasn't having any probs on gutsy either [07:40] but i wonder if going back to ff 2 will be any better on hardy? [07:41] on the bug report I made a while back, and if you run firefox from a terminal, it always complains about glib, or the bug is glib related, or something... :/ [07:41] yeah, no issues with firefox2 [07:43] albuntu: apt-get install firefox2 , I think [07:44] maybe i should try that [07:48] I am running Gutsy have been so for 3 days, I have had sound all those 3 days, but then a few hours ago I tried to stream a flv from youtube through mplayer when it caused mplayer to crash, then from that moment on my sound has not worked, I have restarted my computer & I have uninstalled & reinstalled alsa, & still nothing, please help [07:49] So any help? [07:53] how come I can hear sound from only one app and not from the other? [07:53] is it not possible to hear two sounds simultaneously on xubuntu? [07:55] !sound [07:55] If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3 [07:56] so anyone know an answer to my problem? [07:58] holyguyver: how do you know it was mplayer that crashed? [07:59] ere4si: sound works fine. but if I have youtube open and mp3blaster playing something I can hear just one of them and not both simultaneously [07:59] because I was using mplayer at the time & I made it crash 4 times [08:00] raider_: those links will help sort you out [08:00] I didn't loose audio until the final crash [08:01] holyguyver: if you run mplayer from a terminal you will get output aas to what the issue is [08:02] *as [08:02] no the issue is system wide now [08:02] ere4si: so it isnt enabled by default? [08:03] that is why I tried uninstalling alsa [08:03] holyguyver: mplayer might say - no audio device - or similar which would mean it is a h/ware issue [08:03] raider_: it works here [08:03] no it is not a hardware issue as my sound was working in ubuntu for the past 3 days [08:04] holyguyver: but not now? [08:04] yes not since mplayer crashed about 2 hours ago [08:04] now no media player will make sounds [08:04] & the system will not make sounds [08:04] but until 2 hours ago I was listening to music on this baby for the past 3 days [08:05] holyguyver: just trying to get some info about why it crased - somewhere to work from - I can't see it from here :) [08:06] I did a reboot, I uninstalled & reinstalled alsa, I checked & there is no errors reported in the terminal & my soundcard is perfectly compatible [08:06] & nothing is on mute & my speakers are good [08:06] ere4si: you have alsa OSS installed? [08:07] I hope that info helped :p [08:07] raider_: nope - alsa with onboard intel sound [08:07] gah its same here [08:07] intel card [08:07] are you on xubuntu? [08:08] Yes I am [08:08] that was for ere4si -_- [08:08] holyguyver: fire up mplayer and then check dmesg in a terminal to get some info [08:08] raider_: yep [08:08] How would I go about doing that? [08:08] ok I am gonna log into xfce and then see [08:09] so far in terminal I have been trying aplay [08:09] holyguyver: try to play something with an app - anything sound wise - then in a terminal type dmesg -tail [08:12] holyguyver: that should be dmesg tail [08:13] you know what you won't believe this but in the other room I was chatting in I told the guys how I fixed this problem 5 months ago & now it just happened again, so actually thank you, it is fixed :p [08:14] happy for you [08:16] I told them that it was something really silly that fixed it like asking the terminal to list something that should not have effected it, only to put up a list of processes or something, & it fixed it, & they all 5 months ago was still wondering how that fixed it, but I didn't care as I was just happy it was fixed :p [08:17] ere4si: what two apps are you using? -_- [08:17] raider_: two apps? - for doing what? [08:17] dude... [08:17] I said two apps together cant play music simultaneously [08:17] that was my problem [08:18] mp3blaster and firefox couldnt play music together [08:18] raider_: I play music and have an alarm that uses aplay in the terminal - both sound together fine [08:18] you got mp3blaster? [08:19] could you get it for a moment, I wanted to test something [08:19] raider_: I've never heard of it [08:19] is it in the repos? [08:19] apt-get install mp3blaster once. its a CLI based mp3 player [08:20] I just told them all about how you helped me, they are all confused again now like how they was 5 months ago as the cammand to list the log should not have fixed it, but it did :p [08:20] ere4si: got it? [08:21] yep [08:21] fire up mp3lbaster in a terminal and load a file [08:21] press F3 [08:22] because F1 opens help for the terminal [08:22] now play a track and fire up firefox [08:22] play a song on youtbe [08:23] got a link? [08:23] lol play anything man [08:24] can you hear both songs? [08:25] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9HaNbsIfp0 - gave no sound [08:25] exactly [08:26] I wouldn't have understood either if both played.. [08:26] I'll try something [08:26] now close mp3blaster [08:26] reload youtube [08:26] and when you start hearing the youtube song [08:26] fire up mp3blaster and try playing something [08:26] its gonna say cant open device [08:27] firefox froze...heh [08:28] kill it lol [08:29] results ere4si ? [08:29] yep - you're right [08:29] told ya [08:30] the youtube song sux too! [08:30] haha [08:30] I <3 Pekwm [08:31] xfce seems bloated lol [08:31] raider_: I'm kinda glad it doesn't play two songs at the same time - would just be a garbled mess [08:33] well thats not my point. why is the sound device locked? [08:33] raider_: try - aplay -c 1 /path/to/mp3 - then in another terminal use mp3blaster and see what happens [08:36] ok I got something [08:36] its just mp3blaster that cases probs [08:36] I can use pidgin sounds with firefox [08:37] btw here is a good song [08:37] raider_: I've never heard anyone mention mp3blaster - it might still need work :) [08:37] ! [08:37] naw its old [08:37] been there since a long time [08:37] k [08:37] still might need work [08:37] any tips on trimming down xubuntu? [08:37] I need it more snappier [08:37] I'm old and need work :) [08:38] lol k [08:38] raider_: I use sysv-rc-conf to turn off unneeded services [08:38] like cups and laptop stuff [08:58] hi [08:59] what torrent client do zou reccomend? [08:59] nikolam: ubuntu comes with Transmission by default [08:59] nikolam: if you need something more advanced, rtorrent is nice [08:59] lol @ current xkcd [09:00] +1 for rtorrent [09:01] i used to use patched azureus, I will try rtorrent, thanks ;) [09:02] Anyway, My screen in 8.04 does not locks itself after 10 minutes.. [09:03] And also ctrl+alt+delete does not lock screen [09:03] nikolam: what if you run xflock from the terminal? [09:04] need to be installed . Command not foud. So i will install it then [09:04] it may be xflock4 or something [09:04] its name is xflock4 :)) [09:05] It seems that it is installed with xfce4-utils [09:05] But it does not start when it is called as xflock4 [09:06] no messages? [09:06] /usr/bin/xflock4: 28: xlock: not found [09:06] ls -l /usr/bin/xflock4 [09:06] -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1017 2008-01-27 12:52 /usr/bin/xflock4 [09:07] try xlock [09:07] do you have a screensaver installed? [09:07] it wants me to install xlockmore package [09:10] now it locks but it`s ugly. I liked simplicity of locking before. [09:10] could anybody suggest my an app for playing music? (i need something that cand search directories recusively) [09:10] amarok [09:11] nikolam: that's a kde application [09:12] oh.. [09:12] :) TheSheep 10x, i was about to say the same thing [09:13] voodoo: if you like amarok, try exaile [09:13] voodoo: quod libet and rhythmbox are library-based too [09:13] is it written in python?? [09:13] voodoo: if you want something more traditional, like winamp, try audacious [09:13] voodoo: yes [09:15] i need something simple, not something which is a cpu/memory hog [09:15] i still like beep media player [09:15] i find it lighter than audacious [09:15] personally, I use mpd with several different clients [09:16] Now I have xlockmore to lock the screen but it does not select saver I want (blank screen) but puts them randomly [09:18]