[00:00] definitely not me either :) [00:08] checkout on KDE takes a while [00:11] daskrEEch: if you package 4.1 you will be my hero :) [00:12] hehe mine as well [00:12] nosrednaekim: Gonna try :) [00:12] * Jucato makes arrangements for daskrEEch's funeral [00:13] Jucato: I will try to survive for at least two weeks :) [00:14] * Jucato schedules it for the coming weekend [00:15] Still going [00:16] I checked out trunk qt-copy and the tagged 4.0.71 [00:16] wentto lunch met a friend came back [00:16] ate lunch and walked the dogs [00:16] I wonder if I can clean the kitchen as well :) [00:17] wait until you checkout kdebase :) [00:17] Don't know if that's gone already [00:19] 4.0.71 will be alpha1? or just a regular svn snapshot? [00:21] Alpha 1 [00:22] I figure I'll start with that and then work out a way to have it updated every so often on a PPA [00:25] Anyway off to clean the fridge [00:43] How smoothly would one be able to upgrade from Kubuntu-KDE4 to any PPA'd 4.1 packages, and would it cause any problems up the road? [00:45] * JontheEchidna borked his installation last time he tried to get Qt 4.4 PPA packages, probably out of his own stupidity [01:06] Right Fridge cleaned and restocked, floor wiped, stove cleaned and food cooking [01:06] Still going [01:06] Lets wash dishes and put away washing :) [01:13] ok started Kdelibs [01:13] you can sleep through kdebase probably [01:14] or read the news about reiser in the meantime... [01:14] (though that would probably be short) [01:14] eh... he get convicted? [01:15] yeah [01:16] 0.o [01:16] ouch [01:16] of what> [01:16] manslaughter? [01:16] first degree murder [01:17] oh noes. i guess this will get stereotyped [01:17] http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9930857-7.html <--- still waiting for more authoritative news articles [01:18] robotgeek: especially since his "geekiness" was apparently used as a defence [01:18] Jucato: yeah, stupid. should leave defenses to the lawyers. [01:18] yeah [01:19] atually it was the lawyer who used that defense :) [01:19] robotgeek: Peopel will stop arguing that GTA makes people murders and start saying High end ddevelopment of code that's non commercial does instead [01:19] probably fox will pick up on that [01:19] nosrednaekim: Did you find out about a python plasmoid? [01:19] "Arguing the so-called "geek defense," Hans Reiser's attorney William Du Bois said those behaviors may have been odd, but weren't evidence of murder. In his closing statements, he likened his client to an odd "duckbill platypus," and later stipulated to the fact that Hans Reiser "isn't normal," according to news accounts." [01:20] that was the lawyer even [01:20] daskrEEch: I couldn't find any [01:24] later guys... dinner time [01:37] Riddell: Not yet. [02:12] svn killed my computer :( [02:14] my keyboard at least [02:14] can't type a thing [02:24] let me get this straight [02:25] kwin catches kbd events and chooses to interpret them? [02:26] but passes along registered ones to apps? [02:26] would X be one of the apps? [02:27] my kbd has power but none of the keys work & I just had to restart kwin [02:29] let me hit up a support chan :) [02:35] skreech_: well, this is not a support chan :) [02:35] i kno [02:35] heh, okay. [02:37] jjesse: I saw this and thought of you. Dunno if it'd work on your laptop or not: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2008/04/28/extended-display-on-the-macbook-with-xorg-conf-ubuntu-804/ [02:41] * ScottK basks in the warm glow of his first ever kde4 bug being reproduced by someone in svn. [02:41] Heh [02:42] * ScottK tried kde4 for the first time over the weekend. [02:55] 0.o [02:55] the svn co has dissappeared [03:23] oh boy am I stuffed [03:23] * vorian hails nixternal [03:23] excellent presentation [03:23] thanks [03:23] careful with the hailing though, I ate way to much seafood [03:23] haha [03:25] whoa, the toolchain for Intrepid has already started [03:25] I am getting the FTBFS emails already :) [03:25] nixternal: svn co of kde killed my computer [03:26] how so? [03:26] nixternal: you're vista? [03:28] I am vista? [03:29] oh boy am I stuffed <--- [03:29] lol, gotta use that everywhere now :) [03:29] bloated also works well :) [03:29] yeah :) [03:30] Jucato: it takes just as long to move :( [03:32] nixternal: did I scare you away from kde-cafe? :) [03:32] something happened the other day and I didn't rejoin [03:32] oh :) [03:32] I didn't have it set to autojoin [03:33] hehehe wouldn't be surprised :P [04:09] 0.o [04:09] highly confused === Jucato_ is now known as Jucato [04:22] test [04:22] ok [04:23] failed [04:26] Obviously [04:28] so when I did the svn co I somehow got it in /root [04:28] which filled up / which I assume is why my computer crashed [04:29] so I log back in and mv the dir to the external drive [04:30] and ... it says it's moved but a) the original is still there b) the one on the external is twice the size of the original and c) the directories are named differently [04:45] anyone knows why a mv would convert all UPPERCASE to lowercase ? [05:19] V_v [05:47] could someone tell me if any updates for 8.04 have been released since the final version? [05:48] only a couple packages in hardy-proposed [05:49] stdin: thank you [05:50] I think everyone is taking somewhat of a break after that release cycle [05:50] nixternal: just read the K talk log, nice session :) [05:50] thanks [05:51] * DaSkreech asks for help with someone doing a wubi KDE4 install in #kubuntu-kde4 [05:51] DaSkreech: is it about the disk ejecting to soon and causing an issue? [05:52] Nope [05:52] it's installed and they can't see the network [05:52] hrmm [05:53] don't know about that one, check wubi's site for anything [05:53] I am sure not many of us in here use wubi [05:53] I know I'm quite lost [05:53] I tried it a couple of beta releases back [05:57] * uga just read on the site "Wubi is spyware and malware, free, and being open source, anyone can verify that." [05:58] obviously my mind added a missing extra comma that changed the real meaning [06:05] Wow [06:05] nixternal: You need to jump in #kubuntu-kde4 [06:05] This guy installed today and is just finding bugs like a bloodhound [06:06] recruit him to docs team :) [06:06] he has an eye for this [06:18] Who wants to give me a crash course in packaging KDE? :) [06:33] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MOTU [06:33] the wiki does! [06:33] * DaSkreech queues up [06:44] nixternal: ha ha that dude stormed off [06:44] he wants his parents to use KDE4 isntead of Windows XP [06:51] * stdin should not have read his emails today [06:51] nothing good comes from emails, nothing [06:52] I don't know about that [06:52] I can increase my breast size with herbal medicine due to emails [06:53] i think i came in at the wrong time [08:47] [08:48] was that written in invisible ink? [08:48] * stdin runs to find a UV light [08:50] heh [08:51] damn internet connection here, keeps lost the connection [08:52] ping -i 60 google.com [08:52] pings google every 60 secs [08:53] it's like a poor-mans keep-alive packet [09:42] Riddell: I'll subsribe him to the bug [09:54] Riddell: done, his email has failed here before, however he is responive on LP [10:03] hmm, /me should have checked mail first [10:10] hi guys [10:10] I am new here and I want to know where can I start understanding linux ubuntu [10:10] to develop system realted application [10:14] jpatrick: thanks === davmor2 is now known as davmor2_away [11:34] heya! === Nightrose_ is now known as Nightrose [11:39] Riddell: heard anything back from Ng? *pokes him again* [11:40] can't say I have [12:34] have others noticed that kpdf prints out a whole bunch of debug information in hardy? [12:34] this isn't probably present if you don't start it from command line [12:36] doesn't here [12:36] /me worries only about certain instability of compiz [12:37] Riddell: need a sample file? [12:38] Hi, thanks for making kubuntu work [12:38] Its a pleasure [12:39] Riddell: i get that information every time i change the pdf file and kpdf reloads it: http://pastebin.com/d240e02a6 === __Czessi is now known as Czessi [12:43] moope1: :) [12:44] Dual head on my ati carp practically worked out of the box! [12:44] s/carp/card [12:45] and its sharp, speedy and a pleasure [12:45] well done guys [12:50] guaqua: could be specific to the pdf file [12:50] it probably is, but is it supposed to do that? [12:50] latex-generated file, that is [12:52] doesn't do it when i disable hyperref-module [12:53] Riddell: Is today your archive day? [12:54] Riddell: If so, I'd really like to work with you today on getting clamav backports for Feisty/Gutsy done (they will be a lot easier than the Dapper one was). [12:55] Riddell: A new clamav got uploaded to Debian last night with a mess of incompatible changes, so I'd really like to get the current one in place. === davmor2_away is now known as davmor2 [13:43] <\sh> Czessi, ping..did you send already your account data? :) [13:43] \sh: no, i'll mail it next weekend [13:45] \sh: yesterday the temporary both plan come in. looks good [13:53] <\sh> Czessi, cool [13:55] ScottK: I suppose it is [13:55] ScottK: what needs done? [13:55] Riddell: Gimme a sec to grab the bug numbers. [13:57] Riddell: The bugs are clamav-gutsy: Bug #219364 clamav-feisty: Bug #219366 pyclamd for both: Bug #219040 [13:58] I tried to get slangasek to do these yesterday, but he claimed he was moving or something trivial like that. [13:58] I guess there's no bot just now. [13:58] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/gutsy-backports/+bug/219040 [13:58] you'll have to do !but # [13:58] Launchpad bug 219040 in gutsy-backports "Please backport pyclamd_0.1.1-0ubuntu1 from Hardy to Gutsy/Feisty" [Medium,In progress] [13:59] or that :) [13:59] Ah. [13:59] Riddell: The bugs are clamav-gutsy: Bug 219364 clamav-feisty: Bug 219366 pyclamd for both: Bug 219040 [13:59] Tries again. [13:59] !bug 219364 [13:59] !bug #219364 [14:00] bah! :) [14:00] In any case, it's a regular backport of clamav and pyclamd to gutsy and feisty (no source backport required) [14:01] Once those are built and out of New (they'll both need bin-new) then we do the rdepends. [14:12] ScottK: part 1 implemented [14:12] ScottK: why is python-clamav separate? [14:12] Because that one could have been done at any time. [14:12] ok, I'll do that now [14:13] No one has done backports at all in the last several weeks, but I thought maybe that one would have gotten done in the normal course of business. [14:13] Riddell: Note that pyclamd and python-clamav are two different packages. [14:14] yes [14:14] OK. [14:15] Riddell: There are two packages for Feisty that just need the Feisty version built again in backports against the new clamav. Do you want me to upload source backports for that or do your tools handle that case? [14:16] I think it would need an upload [14:16] OK. I'll do those. [14:18] hmm, nobody has processed the gutsy backports queue for five weeks [14:19] Sounds about right. [15:35] jpatrick: have you been able to test that kdebase-kio-plugins patch? [15:39] seaLne: did you have a luks flash device? [16:44] i simply worship kubuntu 7.10's default style and kwin [16:46] * Artemis_Fowl has not found time yet to install HH... [16:46] * Artemis_Fowl has HH thru updates though [16:48] Then you have it. [16:50] υ, βθτ Ι αλςαυσ φρεση ινσταλλ Κθβθντθ [16:51] yes, but I always do a frsh install (damn Keyboard modifiers...) [16:51] Why? [16:52] Why do I do a fresh install or why do I curse my keyboard? [16:52] :-) [16:53] Fresh install. The keyboard thing I get. [16:54] 'cause while beta testing Kubuntu I install a whole bunch of things... [16:55] OK. I just delete stuff I don't want as I notice it. [17:05] btw, why aren't unstable KDE4.1 packages provided or at least unstable Qt? [17:07] Because 4.0.3 is the current KDE4 release. [17:07] Once intrepid is open we plan to switch to 4.1 snapshots asap. [17:08] Riddell has some Qt packages in his PPA iirc [17:08] really? link? [17:09] but, of course, those are totally unsupported ;) [17:09] see https://launchpad.net/~jr/+archive [17:10] the sources line is at the top [17:11] ahh, excellent [17:11] compiling qt-copy in my ancient PC takes way too many hours [17:12] make sure you only install the Qt4 packages, rather than do an dist-/upgrade, there may be things you do not want otherwise [17:13] yy. I will give them a shot in the next days... [17:13] http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/ \o/ [17:25] smarter: Exists, but is not fully populated with the tool chain yet. === kubuntutero is now known as DASkreech [19:35] hello. I'm trying to compile KDE 4 but I haven't been able to even download qt-copy from anonsvn.kde.org for the last 2 days. Can anybody point me to another way to get it? [19:40] * DASkreech throws hands in the air [19:43] reldruh: not a kubuntu question, the kubuntu answer is that you can use my ppa to get qt 4.4 https://edge.launchpad.net/~jr/+archive [19:45] :-) [19:45] Riddell: If it makes any differnce I've been doing a svn co of the tagged release since yesterday at 3:00 [19:46] though qt-copy came down easily for me :) [19:52] hey guys, i'm a bit confused regarding the release of Kubuntu 8.04 [19:52] is it true that KDE 4 will only have 6 months support? [19:53] and 3.5.x gets 18 months? [19:53] yes [19:53] it appears wikipedia may have a misprint in that case [19:55] hmm thanks :) [19:57] * nixternal works on putting together KDE 4 talk for tomorrow's OpenWeek session [19:57] * nixternal passes out [19:57] Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo [19:58] I am trying to figure out the best way to run the session [19:58] developer oriented, user oriented, kubuntu oriented, combination of all and if so how much of each [20:05] nixternal: I'd suggest oriented towards getting Ubuntu people fired up about trying Kubuntu KDE4. [20:05] ya, that is of course my main goal === emonkey-t is now known as emonkey === santiago-php is now known as santiago-ve [20:25] nice, on Thursday Trolltech is going to be in town giving seminars on Qt4..that rocks [20:25] Riddell: yeah i did some testing a few weeks ago with removable luks devices, hal only likes them if they are a partition [20:33] seaLne: able to try if it works with the package in comment 30 of bug 194474? [20:33] Launchpad bug 194474 in kdelibs "[hardy] kded in loop (100%CPU) when using 'mount automatically'" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194474 [20:43] Riddell: btw i don't get 100% cpu without the patch i haven't noticed any probs in 359 with removable media [20:43] i take it i would need to restart kde after installing that deb? [20:44] seaLne: i think you need to set automatic mount (right click, properties, last tab) [20:44] seaLne: killall kded; kded [20:44] but mostly I'm after a test that it still works with luks rather than it fixes anything, people have already confimed that [20:45] ScottK and seele: ICS is holding a Qt Quickstart Seminar in Tysons Corner in a few weeks if you are interested. I just blogged the information - http://blog.nixternal.com [20:45] registration is FREE [20:46] I had no idea we had such a large Qt systems integrator in the US [20:47] registration is free? kool! where do I sign up? [20:47] >:) [20:48] read the blog and sign up :) [20:49] ScottK: let me know what else needs done with bug 219366 and bug 219364 [20:49] Launchpad bug 219366 in feisty-backports "Please backport clamav 0.92.1~dfsg2-1.1 from Hardy to Feisty" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/219366 [20:49] Launchpad bug 219364 in gutsy-backports "Please backport clamav 0.92.1~dfsg2-1.1 from Hardy to Gutsy" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/219364 [20:49] Riddell: dosen't seem to do anything now with luks partitions on removable media :( [20:49] seaLne: oh, fooey [20:50] seaLne: and changing back to the normal kdebase-kio-plugins does? [20:50] well it worked before installing that deb and dosen't now [20:50] seaLne: how about non-luks removable media? [20:50] Riddell: do you have any ideas as to what kind of development we will be working on for Intrepid? I would like to get a list going on the wiki like you/we did for Hardy showing who's working on what and the statuses possibly...probably good to start after UDS [20:51] nixternal: making kde 4 default [20:51] filling in the gaps [20:51] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUDSPragueSpecs [20:52] * seaLne wishes he currently had more than one pendrive in the house... [20:53] Riddell: the potentially good news is that luks might not be broken now nothing is automagically doing stuff [20:54] Riddell: Will do. Looks like it's still waiting to build on some archs [20:54] Riddell: groovy, thanks! [20:54] nixternal: FIguring out what settings need special care in kde3 -> 4 upgrades [21:01] Jucato: walking over? [21:02] DASkreech: duh! I'll be swimming [21:10] Riddell: Unknown to me, clamcour was removed from Hardy. Not sure why. I'll have to upload source for that one. [21:14] seaLne: how do you mean? [21:15] now when i plugin a pendrive encrypted or not i don't get the popup [21:15] hmm [21:16] hal is unfortunatly pretty black magic too me [21:23] should strace -f of kded show anything when i plug it in, it dosen't [21:26] does media:/ show anything in konqueror? [21:29] hmm well d3lphin actually shows it and clicking works just no popup [21:30] seaLne: this unencrypted? [21:30] yeah [21:30] i'll reformat and try encrypted [21:30] thanks [21:33] weird it shows the previous contents... [21:34] Riddell: nope encrypted dosen't work [21:35] could not mount device the reported error was: the drive is encrypted [21:36] hmm, so the fix for 100% cpu usage on automount breaks encrypted [21:41] which is probably the better way [21:41] yeah === never|mobi is now known as neversfelde|mobi [21:43] can't we add a simple test like "IF encrypted THEN $do_the_evil_loop"? [21:43] or does it also loop with encrypted + automount? [21:45] Riddell: ^ [21:46] hmm, maybe maybe [21:49] ok, that works for unencrypted [21:49] seaLne: how do I format an encrypted drive? [21:51] cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/sdX1; cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdX1 sdX1; mkfs.vfat /dev/mapper/sdX1;cryptsetup luksClose /dev/mapper/sdX1; remove and plug back in [21:52] thats not a particuarly well encrypted way but fine for testing [21:54] I have several encrypted devices here, so if you need a tester, tell me [21:54] Could not mount device. [21:54] The reported error was: [21:54] The drive is encrypted. [21:54] humph [21:54] but I do not have this 100% cpu problem [21:55] it may only affect non-encrypted drives [21:55] mhh [21:57] Riddell: can you reproduce the 100%? [21:59] yes [21:59] using the hardy version of kdebase-kio-plugins now and it has the same error on my encrypted drive [22:02] hi, does anyone know a little about casper? [22:03] I'm remastering kubuntu cd and I want to get rid of the "about kubuntu" icon, but it just won't die :-P [22:04] that's just a file it copies [22:04] !info casper [22:04] casper: Run a "live" preinstalled system from read-only media. In component main, is extra. Version 1.87 (gutsy), package size 49 kB, installed size 312 kB [22:04] should be able to grep for it [22:05] Riddell: I found the casper script that copies it and I tried to make my own casper script that removes it but it doesn't work [22:05] Riddell: and I'd prefer not to change existing stuff [22:07] just remove the relevant lines from 10adduser: [22:07] or remove /usr/share/apps/khelpcenter/plugins/kubuntu/about-kubuntu.desktop.tobemoved before making the livefs [22:08] Riddell: I tried to make my own script (casper-bottom/20something) which should be executed after 10adduser and which basically does rm /root/home/$USERNAME/Desktop/about-kubuntu.desktop but it doesn't seem to have any effect at all [22:09] Riddell: is it possible that I should run some script after adding a casper script? [22:09] no [22:09] make sure its executable [22:09] it is [22:10] dunno then [22:10] I even added all the "header" stuff 10adduser has (checking if first arg is "prereqs", sourcing casper-functions, starting and ending log message) but still nothing :-( [22:12] ok, well, I'll probably have to go the change-existing-files route then [22:12] thanks anyway === ubot5 is now known as ubottu === wolfger_ is now known as wolfger [23:11] Riddell: sylpheed-claws and sylpheed-claws-gtk2 need accepted in feisty-backports. [23:11] Don't think I saw those. [23:12] ok [23:12] I'll do source uploads for clamcour and python-clamav and then I think we'll be done. [23:22] Riddell: clamcour for feisty-backports and gutsy-backports uploaded. [23:28] seaLne: I didn't realise you had to use the popup to decrypt the usb disk, and the popup doesn't work if you start kded by hand for some reason [23:28] ah [23:28] in fact yeah you're right which is why you can't access non removable encrypted devices [23:29] fixed mediamanager module if you're still in a mood for testing http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kded_mediamanager.so [23:29] goes in /usr/lib/kde3/kded_mediamanager.so [23:29] but you need to log out and in again to get it to work with the popup [23:30] (don't bother if you don't want to do that :) [23:30] i'd rather not atm, going to bed soon aswell [23:31] neversfelde|mobi: fancy trying that? [23:32] should go to bed [23:32] :) [23:32] evening :) [23:33] can I do this tomorrow? [23:35] sure [23:38] no you must do it today :) :) [23:38] I am afraid [23:39] but my girlfriend is more convincing [23:39] :D [23:39] hacker with a girlfriend, a rarity [23:40] rofl, I am not a hacker [23:41] okay, it makes more sense, then ;) [23:41] put it on ToDo for tommorrow morning. gn8 [23:54] Riddell: It looks like python-clamav needed to get uploaded after clamav. It built against the old version. I'll upload source for that in a bit.