[00:00] <wilsonfrisk> guys: this is my plan
[00:00] <jhutchins_wk> I prefer konqueror anyway.
[00:00] <jhutchins_wk> Whoo!  Quittin' time!
[00:01]  * genii punches  jhutchins' timecard out
[00:01] <wilsonfrisk> I use firefox because of no script.  can linux get botnetted?
[00:02]  * Hydrogen didn't know that was a verb
[00:02] <taghastien41> i cannt connect to the frensh kubuntu
[00:03] <wilsonfrisk> Hydrogen: what is the active verbage of the term then?
[00:03] <wilsonfrisk> anyway anyway, does it happen much?
[00:04] <wilsonfrisk> linux - botnet - does happen?
[00:04] <wilsonfrisk> how do i shot web?
[00:04] <wilsonfrisk> is anyone here?
[00:05] <psyco> g2g ty for your help guys
[00:06] <nosrednaekim> wilsonfrisk: mah linux doesn't get bot-netted
[00:06] <nosrednaekim> *nah
[00:07] <taghastien41> wht dose it meen i have banned from the channel
[00:09] <dwidmann> taghastien41: banned means that an channel operator banned you and you can't re-enter the channel for a set period of time
[00:09] <taghastien41> but why
[00:09] <taghastien41> thanks
[00:10] <dwidmann> taghastien41: I usually it means you did something wrong
[00:10] <wilsonfrisk> nosrednaekim: so I can surf whatever without worrying about it?
[00:10] <Perso> could anybody tell me a clue about this error: http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9120/inst1eu4.png)
[00:11] <nosrednaekim> wilsonfrisk: yeah... but don't be stupid :P
[00:11] <nosrednaekim> wilsonfrisk: and never enter your sudo password if the brower asks for it
[00:12] <cpk1> Perso: either mount it as root or use setuid root
[00:12] <taghastien41> Gtran 6210 modem driver for evdo internet connection
[00:14] <MilitantPotato> Perso: go to that website, follow the guide
[00:14] <wilsonfrisk> nosrednaekim: k.  sounds good.  I think unless they get sudo i cannot get raeped.
[00:15] <MilitantPotato> Perso: also, if you own the folders in /media it helps (or did for me in gutsy)
[00:15] <nosrednaekim> wilsonfrisk: correct
[00:15] <Perso> MilitantPotato: in the past I hadn't such problem. What's new? :S
[00:15] <MilitantPotato> nosrednaekim: did that script editing work for you?
[00:15] <Arwen> Reiser was convicted :D
[00:15] <MilitantPotato> for fglrx
[00:15] <Arwen> MurderFS.
[00:16] <MilitantPotato> Perso: probably aren't in the group you need to be?
[00:16] <taghastien41> Gtran 6210 modem driver for evdo internet connection
[00:16] <MilitantPotato> Perso: I'm honestly not sure why it does that, did it for me, but not my wife's pc
[00:16] <Perso> the thing is I hadn't write access in the past so I think I hadn't fuse either MilitantPotato
[00:17] <nosrednaekim> MilitantPotato: yes! it did
[00:17] <Perso> and I don't want to have write access I want ro access
[00:17] <MilitantPotato> nosrednaekim: did for me aswell.
[00:18] <MilitantPotato> Perso: edit the fstab so they mount with ro
[00:18] <Perso> yep, done. But it says again and again that MilitantPotato
[00:19] <gene> Whats with driconf and xdriinfo, both claim libGL is too old?
[00:19] <Perso> i'm going to let you see the ntfs fstab line MilitantPotato
[00:19] <MilitantPotato> Perso: did you follow the guide on that website?
[00:19] <MilitantPotato> It says to do it in the error message.
[00:19] <MilitantPotato> you probably should :)
[00:20] <Perso> no I didn't because until today I hadn't that problem MilitantPotato.
[00:20] <Perso> I was happy in the past :S... :)
[00:21] <Perso> i? going to have a look...
[00:21] <MilitantPotato> well, not much we can do I'd guess
[00:31] <taghastien41> there is no personne here
[00:34] <robotgeek> taghastien41: what do you need?
[00:40] <gokhan_> h
[00:41] <_SharXx_-> d
[00:41] <Jucato> hm?
[00:41] <_SharXx_-> S.a
[00:43] <Choreboy> I need some general support, anyone feeling particularly helpful?
[00:43] <Jucato> try asking the actual question, then we'll find out
[00:43] <Choreboy> fair enough
[00:43] <will00> is there a special procedure that must be followed to install kubuntu on a cf card?
[00:44] <Choreboy> I have the latest version of Kubuntu, connecting to a windows network with Samba. I can open my various file types over the network, but I can't open any sort of video file.
[00:44] <Choreboy> I can copy the file locally then open, but it won't open over the network.
[00:45] <Jucato> oh samba... sorry I can't help there...
[00:45]  * Jucato has no samba :/
[00:45] <Choreboy> Hmm. It's the strangest thing. And I don't know ANYTHING about Linux... I'm trying to switch but when I run into problems it makes it hard to STAY switched :-(
[00:45] <crash_> Pray with me now, as I try the upgrade process to Kubuntu 8
[00:46] <robotgeek> Choreboy: hmm, lemme google
[00:46] <Choreboy> OK well how's this... I can't install java runtime environment, it errored out. Now I have 2 "updates" for Java, but they error as well.
[00:47] <Choreboy> Been using Adept package manager
[00:47] <Choreboy> or Adept installer or whatever it's called
[00:47] <crash_> Adept Package Manager
[00:47] <Choreboy> it seems like I have to agree to Sun's terms to use Java but I don't know how to agree to it.
[00:48] <crash_> but just Adept will do
[00:48] <Choreboy> I wish I knew more about Linux. I love the idea of everyone working together and making a great product by the people for the people
[00:48] <Choreboy> but it makes me feel like such an artard.
[00:49] <Choreboy> I have to re-learn everything :-\
[00:49] <crash_> No worries man
[00:49] <taghastien41> thank u robot for ur anser i need a solution for my hdd locked and password forgotten and gtran 6210 modem driver
[00:49] <crash_> Ive been a pc tech for 15 years
[00:49] <crash_> Im just still learning linux
[00:49] <robotgeek> crash_: give me a second, i think i can find a link for you
[00:49] <crash_> a link?
[00:49] <crash_> for what?
[00:49] <crash_> I havent asked a question :P
[00:50] <Choreboy> Yeah I'm fairly familiar with various workings of Windows, I always help friend with minor tech support, but I would love to switch to Linux full time and play around with different distributions.
[00:50] <robotgeek> sorry, i think i meant Choreboy
[00:50] <Choreboy> oh ok thanks. I googled it but I couldn't find much on the subject
[00:51] <mneptok> Choreboy: <tab><enter>
[00:51] <robotgeek> Choreboy: hit f12, or more details and accept it
[00:51] <crash_> lol mneptok thats kinda cheating, isnt it?
[00:51] <mneptok> Choreboy: there is an <OK> field at the bottom of the Sun EULA
[00:51] <Choreboy> what does tab enter do?
[00:51] <Ketrel> I'm having trouble compiling something, I want to compile kanjipad 2.0, but I keep getting errors
[00:51] <Choreboy> Yeah I couldn't figure out how to get there
[00:51] <Choreboy> hmmm
[00:51] <mneptok> Choreboy: selects the <OK> button and then presses it
[00:51] <Choreboy> let me give it a shot, hold your breath
[00:52] <crash_> Ketrel: pastebin your errors. I cant help fix it, but I can tell you thats the first thing they want you to do.,
[00:52] <Choreboy> should I uninstall what I have and reinstall, or just install the "updates"
[00:52] <Ketrel> ok
[00:52] <Ketrel> one moment
[00:53] <Choreboy> ok it shows me the EULA but I have no way to get to the <ok>
[00:54] <Choreboy> tab enter doesn't work, mouse is a no go...
[00:54] <crash_> hm
[00:54] <Choreboy> it's just a bunch of pretty text on my screen that I can't access
[00:54] <crash_> if it were windows, I would give you the kb shortcuts to arrow the window around until you could see
[00:55] <crash_> tried just hitting enter?
[00:55] <Ketrel_> crash_: Here's the pastebin http://pastebin.ca/1001104
[00:55] <Choreboy> I can see the <ok> but I have no way to get a cursor in there to click on type or anything
[00:55] <mneptok> Choreboy: the mouse does not work in a terminal, sir
[00:55] <Choreboy> I figured that but anything is worth a shot
[00:56] <mneptok> Choreboy: press <tab>. then press <enter>. it's not a key combo.
[00:56] <Choreboy> I played around with it for a half hour before I went seeking help
[00:56] <Choreboy> tried that too. Tried them separate, tried them together.
[00:56] <mneptok> Choreboy: and make sure the window is selected.
[00:56] <crash_> Ketrel_: Im sorry if I wasn't clear. *I* dont know squat about compiler errors. But the folks who CAN help you will want that pastebin
[00:56] <Choreboy> yes it's the active window
[00:56] <Choreboy> I don't know what a pastebin is
[00:56] <crash_> !pastebin
[00:57] <Jucato> Ketrel_: looks like you'll have to ask in a kanjipad channel or help forums. it looks like an error in their source code
[00:57] <Jucato> Ketrel_: is there a reason you don't want to use the kanjipad package in our repositories?
[00:57] <crash_> I thought the same. But I was nowhere near confident enough to say it
[00:58] <Ketrel_> Jucato: I'm trying to compile it first and then ask my second question "Can I use Linux to compile a windows binary of it"
[00:58] <mneptok> Ketrel_: no.
[00:59] <Jucato> no
[00:59] <Choreboy> I think my Kubuntu is broken. I guess Geek Squad will have to save me.
[00:59] <Choreboy> Lol I kid, I kid.
[00:59] <Ketrel_> Damn, that sucks :(
[01:00] <nixbox> i installed windows and it wiped the ubuntu bootloader, i do not have the live CD anymore, is there a way to restore ubuntu bootloader or boot into ubuntu other than using the live CD?
[01:00] <Ketrel_> I can't figure out how to get a workable enviornment to compile it on windows :\
[01:00] <Ketrel_> I've been looking forever for a program that did exactly that
[01:00] <mneptok> Ketrel_: does it claim to work with Windows?
[01:00] <Jucato> !grub | nixbox
[01:01] <Jucato> nixbox: see the first link ^^^^
[01:01] <Choreboy> You know guys, I have only been running Kubuntu since 8.04 was officially released and I don't have much on here... maybe I should just format and reinstall?
[01:01] <Choreboy> because I am just not having luck with Samba, Java, etc.
[01:01] <robotgeek> Choreboy: no, you don't do that in Linux!
[01:01] <Choreboy> oh my.
[01:01] <robotgeek> heh
[01:01] <Choreboy> well what DO I do?
[01:02] <Choreboy> Samba won't let me open any video files over my network, Adept is giving me fits installing Java..
[01:02] <robotgeek> Choreboy: your samba thing, we will deal with later. first, you java thing
[01:02] <Choreboy> ok Java it is.
[01:03] <luis> buenas
[01:03] <nosrednaekim> psyco: hey... could you help Choreboy with his java? probably has the same problem as you
[01:03] <Choreboy> Do you guys type my name like "Choreboy:" or do you have a shortcut that throws my name down for ya?
[01:03] <luis> hello
[01:03] <Choreboy> I don't know jack about IRC either I just installed this so I could get some Linux help
[01:03] <robotgeek> Choreboy: i type <c <press tab key> and it completes it for me
[01:03] <Choreboy> ah that's handy
[01:04] <luis> hi need some help
[01:04] <nosrednaekim> luis: whats the problem?
[01:04] <luis> :) I'm a newbie
[01:04] <robotgeek> Choreboy: also leads to typing wrong names, if you dont watch it
[01:04] <nosrednaekim> luis: thats not a problem per se ;P
[01:04] <luis> I have just installed the new kubuntu 8.04 with the kde4
[01:05] <nosrednaekim> Choreboy: ok, did yu install the sun java packages from the repositories?
[01:05] <luis> now to get connected to internet, I need to install the package br2684ctl
[01:05] <Choreboy> I tried to with Adept but it did not finish installing
[01:05] <Choreboy> it had an error, it seems to be PARTIALLY installed
[01:05] <ahmos> hi. what is the patch name that makes icons zoom in when i click them
[01:05] <Choreboy> I never agreed to the EULA
[01:06] <luis> my problem is that without internet, I don't know how to download and install a package :)
[01:06] <yoyoma> hello, i'm running kubuntu 8.04 but i don't get the flashy compiz stuff (cube effect and all).  how do i get that going?
[01:06] <nosrednaekim> yoyoma: system->desktop effects
[01:06] <Choreboy> wait I thought Compiz was not on Kubuntu, just on Ubuntu
[01:06] <nosrednaekim> Choreboy: it works on kubuntu too
[01:07] <Choreboy> shows what I know
[01:07] <luis> now, I'm using the old kubuntu right now at the same computer, I'd like to know how to download the package br2684ctl so I can reboot in kubuntu 8.04 and then install it
[01:07] <Choreboy> which is very little unfortunately
[01:07] <yoyoma> ok, i've done that.... installed and told it extra effects
[01:07] <nosrednaekim> luis: ok... one second
[01:07] <yoyoma> i still don't get the cube or anything spectacular looking
[01:07] <yoyoma> my minimize and maximize looks cool though
[01:07] <nosrednaekim> yoyoma: ok... did you try Ctrl+alt+arrow?
[01:07] <yoyoma> yeah.  i get a little rectangle in the middle with arrows on it
[01:07] <yoyoma> not a 3d cube that looks cool
[01:08] <nosrednaekim> yoyoma: or you can just set it to custom and install compizconfig-settings-manager
[01:08] <nosrednaekim> yoyoma: ah ok... its got the wrong plugin set up
[01:08] <nosrednaekim> ccsm should fix that
[01:08] <lwizardl> hi
[01:08] <lwizardl> anyone here have a Digiwave or Twinhan 103G DVB card?
[01:08] <yoyoma> apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[01:08] <nosrednaekim> Choreboy: ok, try installing java again, and agree to the EULA
[01:08] <nosrednaekim> yoyoma: with a sudo, yes
[01:08] <Choreboy> so uninstall (if possible) then reinstall?
[01:09] <Choreboy> hopefully I can un-do whatever it has done
[01:09] <dwidmann> These random reboots are driving me *crazy*
[01:09] <Jucato> Choreboy: uninstall isn't always the answer. where are you now? I mean what problem?
[01:09] <mneptok> Choreboy: use a terminal
[01:09] <Choreboy> I don't know how to use terminal :-(
[01:09] <mneptok> Choreboy: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin
[01:09] <Choreboy> I am Linux retarded.
[01:09] <Jucato> Choreboy: we'll guide you
[01:09] <mneptok> Choreboy: good thing i just told you
[01:10] <o0Chris0o> whats the off topic channel? also..whats kde4 channel?
[01:10] <Choreboy> ok sudo apt-get here I come
[01:10] <Jucato> you just have to type in or copy-paste the commands
[01:10] <Jucato> o0Chris0o: #kubuntu-offtopic and #kubuntu-kde4 respectively
[01:10] <Choreboy> i've done a sudo apt-get install before
[01:10] <yoyoma> nosrednaekim: sweet.  i see a zillion options now.  thanks!
[01:10] <nosrednaekim> luis: I'm not seeing a package by that name in hardy...
[01:11] <Jucato> Choreboy: so you're not as retarded as you think you are :)
[01:11] <lwizardl> I'm trying to install my Digiwave 103G DVB-S card and I don't know what I need to do to install this card. I'm a DVB newbie
[01:11] <o0Chris0o> Jucato: ty
[01:11] <Choreboy> well only because I've been stumbling along blindly, I don't exactly know what I'm doing I just try random things :-)
[01:11] <luis> no?
[01:12] <Choreboy> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[01:12] <nosrednaekim> lwizardl: check out th hardware support page.,.unfortunately the bot is not with us right now so you'll have to google it up
[01:12] <luis> well, I'had that package with the old kubuntu 7.10
[01:12] <nosrednaekim> Choreboy: close any package managers...
[01:12] <nosrednaekim> !aptfix
[01:12] <mneptok> Choreboy: close Synaptic or any other package management apps
[01:12] <Choreboy> I had Adept open. My bad.
[01:12] <Jucato> Choreboy: close Adept if it is running
[01:12]  * Jucato nods
[01:13]  * mneptok notices what channel this is
[01:13] <yoyoma> holy cow this is cool
[01:13]  * Jucato notices mneptok is in here :)
[01:13] <yoyoma> thanks a bunch.  time for dinner
[01:13] <mneptok> yoyoma: what video card?
[01:13] <yoyoma> eh... nothing good right now
[01:13] <yoyoma> my radeon died the other day
[01:13] <mneptok> that's not an answer
[01:13] <yoyoma> this is an older gforce
[01:14] <mneptok> sudo spt-get install nvidia-settings
[01:14] <mneptok> *apt
[01:14] <mneptok> kinda like compizconfig-settings-manager for your vidcard
[01:14] <yoyoma> sweet
[01:14] <Jucato> mneptok: nvidia-settings conflicts with nvidia-glx stuff
[01:14] <Choreboy> I'm still locked
[01:14] <Jucato> iirc
[01:14] <nosrednaekim> !aptfix
[01:14] <Jucato> !aptfix | Choreboy
[01:14] <mneptok> Jucato: oh? working here.
[01:14] <Choreboy> and I've closed Adept
[01:15] <yoyoma> ok, one thing's gotta go.  now whatever window the mouse is over gets focus without clicking.
[01:15] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: it helps if you pipe the factoids to people during busy hours :)
[01:15] <nosrednaekim> yoyoma: general->focus IIRC
[01:15] <mneptok> yoyoma: FFM
[01:15] <Jucato> mneptok: oh I thought... it was before.. aaanyway :)
[01:15] <mneptok> Jucato: maybe nvidia-glx-legacy? i can see the config panel choking on a Riva TNT. ;)
[01:16] <Jucato> oh yeah.. maybe legacy :)
[01:16] <yoyoma> nosrednaekim: that was it.  thanks.
[01:16] <yoyoma> mneptok: what's FFM?
[01:16] <mneptok> "You want me to do WHAT?! Dude! I'm *so* 1998!"
[01:16] <mneptok> yoyoma: focus follows mouse
[01:17] <Choreboy> Package sun-java6-plugin is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[01:17] <Choreboy> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[01:17] <Choreboy> is only available from another source
[01:17] <yoyoma> mneptok: ok.  got that disabled... that was annoying.
[01:17] <rrr3> hmmm
[01:17] <mneptok> Choreboy: you'll need to enable the Multiverse repo and update
[01:17] <luis> give me a hint, how can I download a package so I can reboot later and install it
[01:18] <luis> ?
[01:18] <yoyoma> i got a crash.  i better restart X
[01:18] <rrr3> what is GLX exactly
[01:18] <Choreboy> say one were to enable a Multiverse repository, how would one go about doing that
[01:18] <Jaso> !mp3
[01:18] <Jucato> mneptok: shouldn't uni and multi be enabled by default since feisty?
[01:18] <Jucato> Choreboy: are you an a 64-bit system?
[01:18] <Choreboy> yes
[01:19] <Choreboy> 64 bit dualcore AMD
[01:19] <robotgeek> ah :)
[01:19] <Jucato> no wonder :)
[01:19] <nosrednaekim> ^_^
[01:19] <alexandra> Hi all
[01:19] <Choreboy> ah now it all makes so much sense!
[01:19] <Choreboy> wait no it doesnt....
[01:19] <Choreboy> Java doesn't work on 64 bit?
[01:20] <yoyoma> how come you can't have more than one desktop in kde?
[01:20] <Jucato> the sun-java6-plugin doesn't
[01:20] <Choreboy> ahhh
[01:20] <Choreboy> well I guess that's my bad for not mentioning it, I didn't realize it would be a problem
[01:20] <Choreboy> but hey everyone I gotta say I really appreciate all the effort helping me out on this stuff.
[01:20] <yoyoma> Choreboy:  these people are great
[01:20] <Jucato> Choreboy: Flash and Java have problems on 64-bit. as well as win32codecs stuff
[01:21] <yoyoma> i pop in every now and then with some stupid problem, and they save me hours of googling
[01:21] <Choreboy> yeah hopefully when I learn Linux better I can help out some other no0b
[01:21] <Jucato> Choreboy: I think there are some docs that point out how to make Java work on 64-bit
[01:21] <yoyoma> hehe
[01:21] <Jucato> !64bit
[01:21] <Jucato> see that link Choreboy ^^^ it might help
[01:21] <Choreboy> can do, thanks
[01:21] <robotgeek> Choreboy: if you are new to Linux, I would recommend going 32 bit first
[01:21] <luis> hi
[01:22] <Choreboy> I didn't know I would crop up with problems I just wanted to get the best performance possible
[01:22] <nosrednaekim> luis: hi... sorry, couldn't find that package
[01:22] <nosrednaekim> !info br2684ctl
[01:22] <Choreboy> as a matter of fact I think i remember something about using a different kernel for dual core... would that have installed automatically with the AMD64 Kubuntu?
[01:22] <nosrednaekim> Choreboy: if you have less that 4Gigs of ram, you won't nitice a performance difference
[01:23] <nosrednaekim> luis: oh.. there is it...
[01:23] <luis> how can I download it, so I can reboot later in the new kubuntu and install it?
[01:23] <nosrednaekim> !packages | luis
[01:23] <Choreboy> Well I will have 4gb in the future but at the moment, notsomuch.
[01:23] <nosrednaekim> luis: go to that website a search for it
[01:24] <nosrednaekim> Choreboy: then go 32 bit
[01:24] <yoyoma> What's a "meta mode" in NVIDIA-X Server Settings?
[01:24] <nosrednaekim> Later guys... dinner time
[01:24] <luis> my problem is that my modem doesn't work yet
[01:24] <yoyoma> bye, thanks for the help
[01:24] <mneptok> Choreboy: you installed the AMD64 version?
[01:24] <Choreboy> yessum.
[01:24] <Choreboy> I thought that's what all the kool kids were doing.
[01:24] <mneptok> Choreboy: NO FLASH FOR YOU!
[01:24] <Choreboy> ouch.
[01:25] <robotgeek> lol
[01:25] <Choreboy> I thought I read something that flash would work even on the 64 bit system?
[01:25] <mneptok> well, you get Gnash. Gnash is to Flash what RuPaul is to Natalie Portman.
[01:25] <rrr3> openaI use flash on amd64
[01:25] <Choreboy> I thought I came across that on Java.com somewhere
[01:25] <robotgeek> lol
[01:25] <rrr3> I use flash on amd64
[01:25] <robotgeek> rrr3: point Choreboy on how to do it. be gentle :)
[01:25] <rrr3> (if I must)
[01:25] <Choreboy> oh wait I'm thinking 2 different things, Flash and Java
[01:25] <luis> :D ok let me see
[01:25] <rrr3> I just started firefox and there it was.   ubuntu 8.04
[01:26] <Choreboy> Be gentle, it's my first time and I am out of lube :-(
[01:26] <rrr3> fortunatelly, I guickly remedied the flash by installing noflash plugin to block it
[01:26] <harris> hello, who are using UBUNTU? can someone help me?
[01:26] <mneptok> rrr3: you are using Gnash, then
[01:26] <rrr3> harris: I are using ubuntu. we all here is.
[01:26] <rrr3> mneptok: really?  well, youtube works, so
[01:26] <mneptok> rrr3: try pausing a YouTube video. in fact, try seeing any playback controls at all.
[01:27] <harris> I am using KUBUNTU for 2 days and I want to migrate in UBUNTU..... I'm having problem....
[01:27] <mneptok> harris: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[01:27] <mneptok> harris: done. thankyoucomeagain.
[01:27] <mneptok> :)
[01:27] <robotgeek> lol
[01:27] <Jaso> !res
[01:27] <Fa> lol
[01:27] <harris> what's the application equivalent of adept manager
[01:28] <robotgeek> harris: synaptic, in gnome
[01:28] <Jaso> !adept
[01:28] <mneptok> Synaptic
[01:28] <rrr3> mneptok: I see all controlz
[01:28] <Jaso> how do i grt multiverse?
[01:28] <Choreboy> I can view Youtube videos and control them so I must have Flash
[01:28] <Jaso> !multiverse
[01:28] <Choreboy> I can has Flashburger
[01:28] <mneptok> rrr3: only Gnash when you go to about:plugins in Firefox?
[01:29] <Jucato> Jaso: if you are using Feisty or later versions, multiverse should be already enabled by default
[01:29] <harris> is there an adeptmanager in UBUNTU?
[01:29] <rrr3> application/x-shockwave-flash 	Shockwave Flash 	swf 	Yes
[01:29] <rrr3> application/futuresplash 	FutureSplash Player 	spl 	Yes
[01:29] <rrr3> futuresplash? lol?
[01:29] <harris> UBUNTU not KUBUNTU
[01:30] <Fa> lol
[01:30] <rrr3> harris: I dont think there is difference ubuntu vs kubuntu, besides that one have "kde" installed by default
[01:30] <robotgeek> Choreboy: yes, if it works, you don't have a problem :)
[01:30] <Choreboy> that's all good and well for Flash but I don't have Java
[01:30] <Fa> i don't like gnome
[01:30] <mneptok> harris: 1). we already answered. - 2). it's Ubuntu. it's a name, not an acronym. :)
[01:30] <harris> yessssss         BUT i cant find the adept manager in UBUNTU
[01:30] <Fa> my name is ubuntu
[01:30] <Fa> lol
[01:30] <BluesKaj> synaptic
[01:30] <Choreboy> doesn't Ubuntu have Synaptec instead of Adept?
[01:30] <mneptok> harris: Synaptic
[01:30] <mneptok> harris: Synaptic
[01:30] <mneptok> harris: Synaptic
[01:30] <rrr3> Fa: gnome - user can't even set different background per desktop
[01:30] <mneptok> ^^^ READ PLEASE ^^^
[01:31] <Fa> i tried installing kde 4 from ubuntu
[01:31] <Fa> didn't work well
[01:31] <Choreboy> look at me! Almost helping fellow no0bs already!
[01:31] <Fa> i am a noob
[01:31] <Fa> lol
[01:31] <rrr3> I tried installing kde from ubuntu.  didnt worked too well
[01:31] <harris> Adept is Kubuntu's default package manager.        BUT how about UBUNTU....
[01:31] <Fa> either
[01:31] <rrr3> I tried gnome... also not too good
[01:31] <harris> is there a adept
[01:31] <harris> an adept in
[01:31] <harris> UBUNTU
[01:32] <Choreboy> harris my man, you are not listening
[01:32] <robotgeek> harris: the equivalent is synaptic in ubuntu
[01:32] <Fa> harris just download ubuntu
[01:32] <Fa> lol
[01:32] <genii> harris: I think several ppl have told you "Synaptic"
[01:32] <Choreboy> Synaptic in Ubuntu, Adept in Kubuntu.
[01:32] <harris> ahhhhhhhhhhhh OK!!!
[01:32] <harris> Synaptic is a software
[01:32] <BluesKaj> gawd
[01:32] <harris> SOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIII
[01:32] <harris> hehehehehehhe
[01:32] <Fa> lol
[01:32] <genii> The light bulb went on
[01:32] <Jucato> !caps | harris
[01:32] <harris> THANKKKKSSS
[01:32] <Fa> how old harris?
[01:32] <Jaso> i can't manage my resps like i used to anyone know the new way
[01:32] <harris> BULB !!!
[01:32] <dwidmann> Does anybody know why I'm getting random keypresses in hardy?
[01:32] <harris> 15
[01:32]  * Jucato smashes the lightbulb
[01:32] <Jaso> i can't get multiverse.
[01:32] <rrr3> hector: you must pay 5 USD each time you use more then one cap while typing "Ubuntu".
[01:32] <genii> Jucato: hehe
[01:32] <Choreboy> Harris you got yelled at by a bot hahahaha
[01:32] <rrr3> hector: its there in the license
[01:33] <dwidmann> xev says that control_L and shift_L are being pressed when I'm not even touching the keyboard!
[01:33] <robotgeek> rrr3: you must pay 5$ for using the wrong name :)
[01:33] <BluesKaj> Jucato, there otta be an age limit
[01:33] <mneptok> "Give me puberty or give me death."
[01:33] <Fa> i am a bot
[01:33] <harris> hehehehehehe thnxxx
[01:33] <Fa> beep beep
[01:33] <harris> kill BOT
[01:33] <Choreboy> can you do robot dance?
[01:33]  * Fa dies
[01:33] <Choreboy> "We lost many a good killbot that day."
[01:33] <rrr3> kill all humans
[01:33] <Jucato> hm.. ok.. enough with the offtopic ok?
[01:33] <robotgeek> pretty funny, but i remind ppl of #kubuntu-offtopic
[01:34] <Choreboy> Sorry gang, but was my final answer that there will be no Java for me using 64bit?
[01:34] <Fa> ok what is java?
[01:34] <Jaso> coreymon77: hey
[01:34] <Fa> is that coffee for your computer?
[01:34] <robotgeek> !java > Fa
[01:34] <rrr3> Fa: a language and SDK, that becomed GPL 5 years too late
[01:34] <Fa> i'm kidding
[01:34] <Fa> hehe
[01:34] <dwidmann> Choreboy: use ia32-sun-java6* and a 32-bit browser
[01:35] <Jucato> Choreboy: didn't you read the URL I gave earlier?
[01:35] <dwidmann> Choreboy: assuming what you want is the plugin
[01:35] <mneptok> Choreboy: for 64-bit you're going to use IcedTea
[01:35] <Choreboy> yes the plugin will do fine
[01:35] <Fa> i only need flash
[01:35] <Choreboy> IcedTea instead. I'll give that a shot
[01:35] <mneptok> Choreboy: sudo apt-get install icedtea-java7-plugin
[01:35] <robotgeek> icedtea, wow i have been away too long
[01:35] <Jucato> robotgeek: indeed :)
[01:36] <Jucato> robotgeek: it pays to have your feeds/mail online even when not on IRC :P
[01:36] <Jaso> !mp3
[01:36] <Jaso> agh...
[01:36] <Jaso> !wubi
[01:36] <robotgeek> i have all the feeds and the mail, just not enough time earlier. i am hoping to get back in the game shortly
[01:36] <harris> oKAY what's Is K in KDE?
[01:37] <dwidmann> rrr3: depending on how you look at it, even later, seein as there still hasn't been a gpl'd release
[01:37] <Jucato> harris: it was previously "Kool", but that name only lasted a few days. now it's just "K"
[01:37] <yoyoma> ok, i got the desktop effects working, but X crashed and i had to restart X.  now, the effects aren't working, even though they're installed and "i believe" enabled
[01:37] <Fa> K for kamakazi
[01:37] <Jucato> harris: read stuff in www.kde.org if you want to know more
[01:37] <harris> which is better KDE or GNOME?
[01:38] <robotgeek> harris: originally Kool, but now stands for KDE
[01:38] <Jucato> !better | harris
[01:38] <Fa> depends harris
[01:38] <harris> heheheeehe u BOT
[01:39] <Choreboy> oh my sweet Torvalds! <tab> <enter> worked!!
[01:39] <genii> harris: Neither window manager is really better or worse than the other. It just depends on how you like to interact with your computer.
[01:39] <Fa> i have to agree
[01:39] <Fa> i prefer kde obviously
[01:40] <Choreboy> While I brew myself some IcedTea, can someone please tell me again where to go for desktop effects?
[01:40] <yoyoma> System -> Desktop Effects
[01:40] <robotgeek> Choreboy: K-Menu ->  system -> Desktop effects
[01:40] <robotgeek> :)
[01:41] <yoyoma> robotgeek:  do you know why they would not be working, even if enabled?  they worked a few minutes ago until X server crashed.  i rebooted to xfix and now they're not working
[01:41] <Choreboy> I went to SYSTEM, there is no Desktop Effects in there.
[01:41] <yoyoma> Are you on 8.04?
[01:41] <Choreboy> yep
[01:41] <yoyoma> hmm
[01:41] <yoyoma> what ver of KDE?
[01:41] <Choreboy> K>System>nada
[01:41] <Choreboy> KDE4
[01:41] <yoyoma> oh... hmm
[01:42] <yoyoma> try lost and found or something like that
[01:42] <Choreboy> maybe somewhere in system settings?
[01:42] <robotgeek> kde4 might have it in a different place
[01:42] <Jucato> Choreboy: I don't think it's available for KDE 4 though
[01:42] <yoyoma> KDE4 hasn't won me over at all... since the fonts are like .000004mm tall in it
[01:42] <Jucato> try asking in #kubuntu-kde4
[01:42] <Fa> it's not Jucato
[01:42] <Choreboy> alright let me see what they have to say about it
[01:43] <dwidmann> Does anybody, anybody at all, have any idea why my keyboard is getting random keypresses that shouldn't be happening? It's *very* annoying
[01:43] <Choreboy> spilled soda.
[01:43] <yoyoma> robotgeek:  i think i figured it out.  i think the xfix removed the 3d proprietary nvida driver
[01:43] <robotgeek> yoyoma: ah okay.
[01:44] <Choreboy> alright here's a fun question.. how do I get into a different IRC channel?
[01:44] <robotgeek> Choreboy: /j #kubuntu-offtopic
[01:44] <mneptok>  /join #channelname
[01:44] <genii> Choreboy: /j #channelname
[01:44] <Jucato> oh for goodness' sake! just click on the channel name :P
[01:44] <robotgeek> dwidmann: is this a laptop? which os are you running? erc etc
[01:44] <dwidmann> robotgeek: no, kubuntu hardy
[01:45] <robotgeek> dwidmann: is it random in the sense that different keys appear, or type when nothing is hit?
[01:45] <Fa> hardy boys
[01:46] <dwidmann> robotgeek: specifically it is the left and right control keys, it's random in the sense that I didn't push the keys,k I found out because konqueror access keys nuts, so I ran xev and let it sit a few minutes
[01:47] <yoyoma> this is ironic.  kde3+compiz is running much, much more smoothly on this old geforce 5200 than it did on my year old radeon
[01:48] <aaroncampbell> My printer quit working after the upgrade to 8.04.  Here is some dmesg output: http://paste2.org/p/23921
[01:49] <dwidmann> wow, I'm typing rather unintelligbly today
[01:50] <reagleBRKLN> hi, just installed 8.04 on my system. alsamixer and kplayer works fine as root, but as a user I get alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[01:50] <robotgeek> dwidmann: i am trying to lookup bugs on launchpad
[01:50] <rrr3> reagleBRKLN: try adding self to audio group and re-loggingin
[01:50] <reagleBRKLN> is there someway to specify the device
[01:50] <Dr_willis> aaroncampbell,  mine stops working, till i unplug/plug it back in.. its getting on my nerves
[01:50] <reagleBRKLN> rrr3: yes, did that
[01:51] <robotgeek> dwidmann: while you wait, paste the output of the command "xprop -root | grep XKB"
[01:51] <aaroncampbell> Dr_willis: it's a network printer
[01:51] <Dr_willis> aaroncampbell,  im thinking theres some deeper cups issue going on. the printer-icon-status thing says it cant 'write to directory'
[01:51] <aaroncampbell> Dr_willis: Actually, my bluetooth kb/mouse doesn't work until I unplug the dongle and plug it back in...
[01:51] <dwidmann> robotgeek: _XKB_RULES_NAMES(STRING) = "xorg", "pc105", "us", "", ""
[01:52] <robotgeek> dwidmann: i have the same thing. are you sure your keyboard works okay?
[01:52] <reagleBRKLN> as user: alsamixer /dev/snd/controlC0 -> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[01:52] <reagleBRKLN> but it does exist
[01:52] <reagleBRKLN> crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 0 Apr 28 20:36 /dev/snd/controlC0
[01:53] <Choreboy> OK FYI everyone I got my answer, there is no Compiz on KDE4 by default
[01:53] <genii> aaroncampbell: I'm pretty sure it's this bug here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cupsys/+bug/153003
[01:53] <dwidmann> robotgeek: with the exception of the random ctrl_l and shift_l thing, yes, it works okay
[01:53] <reagleBRKLN> i am in audio, and have relogged in
[01:53] <robotgeek> dwidmann: i mean physically, say on a different OS
[01:53] <dwidmann> robotgeek: I don't use other OSs.
[01:53] <rrr3> Choreboy: so how to get compiz in kde
[01:53] <rrr3> how to get compiz in kde on ubuntu 8.04 amd64
[01:54] <Dr_willis> !compiz
[01:54] <robotgeek> dwidmann: okay, what about from a live cd?
[01:55] <dwidmann> this keyboard has _always_ worked in the past, ie, pre-hardy
[01:55] <Dr_willis> KDE4 has its own alternative to compiz, thus kde4 dosent need compiz
[01:55] <robotgeek> dwidmann: okay, i would recommend you to file a bug. sorry!
[01:55] <robotgeek> !bug
[01:55] <Jaso> while trying to install my wireless card... i got this error http://pastebin.com/m2dd3c5c5 from http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=405990
[01:56] <Jucato> no! don't file robotgeek!!!
[01:56] <dwidmann> Jucato: o.O
[01:56] <robotgeek> lol
[01:56] <Jucato> :D
[01:57] <rignes> Hello everyone.
[01:57] <rignes> Is it true, the rumor I hear, that KDE4 and KDE3 can co-exist on the same computer w/o screwing eachother up?
[01:57] <robotgeek> Jaso: sudo apt-get install python-gtk2
[01:57] <Fa> err rignes i tried that
[01:57] <Jaso> f
[01:57] <Fa> not good lol
[01:57] <rignes> Hehe
[01:58] <rignes> See, that's why I wanted to ask.
[01:58] <Choreboy> o noes! Someone help! I tried to activate desktop effects and now I'm stuck in an endless login loop!!
[01:58] <Fa> just one big mess
[01:58] <Jaso> coreymon77: are you there?
[01:58] <rignes> I have Hardy all setup, the stable "desktop" version.  I don't want to ruin all my tweaking.
[01:58] <rignes> I'll just have to find a spare system or try the alternative install in a VM or something.
[01:59] <Fa> rignes i tried it trust me
[01:59] <Fa> lol
[01:59] <Choreboy> Anyone? I tried restarting and I'm still stuck in a login loop
[01:59] <DarkShinigami> I'm now 8.04
[01:59] <Fa> no clue i'm a newbie
[02:00] <DarkShinigami> How do I update my GRUB?
[02:00] <crash_> stupid ndiswrapper
[02:00] <zero88> Why doesnt kubuntu auto mount?
[02:00] <robotgeek> Choreboy: hmm, lemme think about that. i presume you are on a different machine
[02:01] <Choreboy> yes I have been on my windows machine, using remote desktop to get on IRC
[02:01] <DarkShinigami> !grub
[02:01] <rignes> Fa: I'll take your work for it.  What sort of funkieness did you see when you tried?
[02:01] <Fa> just one big mess
[02:01] <rignes> Hehe
[02:01] <Fa> i didn't play with it too long
[02:02] <rignes> Ok, I'll stick with KDE3 + Compiz.
[02:02] <robotgeek> Choreboy: do you have nvidia/ati/intel?
[02:02] <zero88> How do you set automount?
[02:02] <Fa> if you're happy don't change it
[02:02] <rignes> Not gonna.
[02:02] <Choreboy> I have AMD with onboard graphics
[02:02] <rignes> Not after all the tweaking time I just spent.
[02:02] <Fa> lol
[02:03] <robotgeek> Choreboy: okay.
[02:03] <Fa> is there a way to back up entire partition?
[02:03] <rignes> Clonezilla?
[02:03] <rignes> Partimage?
[02:03] <comboman> I've written my own shell (for a project) and I need to test the input redirection of it, anyone know any good linux commands I could use to test the input redirection?
[02:03] <mrmonkeyman> is there no disks and file systems in 8.04?
[02:03] <genii> dd?
[02:04] <rignes> Speaking of clonezilla...I should make an image of this laptop..just incase.
[02:04] <comboman> what is dd?
[02:04] <Fa> lol rignes
[02:04] <robotgeek> Choreboy: is you hit ctrl + alt + f1, you should get a terminal
[02:05] <Braeloch> I have a problem, between Kubuntu and my widescreen monitor. I could use some help.
[02:05] <robotgeek> Braeloch: is it a 1680x1050 ?
[02:05] <Braeloch> robotgeek: 1440x900
[02:05] <crash_> is there a command I need to run after inserting a cardbus device in order to make kubuntu "see" it?
[02:06] <mrmonkeyman> what is the problem Braeloch I have the same screen
[02:06] <Choreboy> robotgeek: cntrl+alt+F1 just locked it up
[02:06] <Choreboy> at the login screen
[02:06] <robotgeek> Choreboy: eeks
[02:07] <Choreboy> eeks is right. Hard reset.
[02:07] <Braeloch> mrmonkeyman: When I boot into Kubuntu, everything is piled up on the right-hand side of my screen. It will not take advantage of the full widescreen 8:5 aspect ratio. (For the record, my video card is nVidia 8500 GT and the drivers are up to date.)
[02:07] <mrmonkeyman> Is there anything like kio-sysinfo that is working on 8.04?
[02:09] <DarkShinigami> How do I update GRUB?
[02:09] <mrmonkeyman> what version of kubuntu are you using?
[02:09] <reagleBRKLN> so, i can play an mp3 as a user with xine and here it, but not with mplayer or in kde apps... what could that be?
[02:10] <Braeloch> mrmonkeyman: 8-point-something.
[02:10] <bazhang> !grub | DarkShinigami
[02:10] <robotgeek> reagleBRKLN: kde apps, as in kaffeine?
[02:11] <mrmonkeyman> K give me a sec
[02:11] <dwidmann> robotgeek: Well, I think I'll give the evdev driver a try before I go reporting bugs, if I remember right I have had this problem before and that's what I did ..... which would make it a kbd driver problem
[02:11] <Braeloch> mrmonkeyman: k
[02:12] <robotgeek> dwidmann: ah okay. cool
[02:12] <reagleBRKLN> aha, working now, will try a reboot and see if it hold
[02:13] <DarkShinigami> I didn't lose GRUB. I didn't update the kernel in menu.lst
[02:14] <mrmonkeyman> What does is say on System Settings/ Display?
[02:14] <Choreboy> is there a way to undo what I did to get the computer in the login loop?
[02:14] <Choreboy> because ctrl+alt+F1 is still locking it up at the login screen
[02:15] <Braeloch> mrmonkeyman: I am not logged into Kubuntu at the moment, because I don't know how to access IRC from it yet. (I am brand new to Kubuntu, having installed it on the recommendation of a friend who thought I'd enjoy a new experience.)
[02:15] <dwidmann> robotgeek: though ... I really should still report that bug, shoudl have done it two months ago and then I woudln't be dealing with it right now
[02:16] <robotgeek> dwidmann: yes you should :)
[02:16] <robotgeek> later
[02:16] <mrmonkeyman> oh, well in that case
[02:16] <mrmonkeyman> check there and make sure the resolution is correct
[02:16] <affan> hi all.... i am using Broadcom 4306 card for wireless. Do I have to use ndiswrapper? I remember last time i installed Kubuntu it worked without it
[02:17] <Braeloch> mrmonkeyman: How do I access System Settings?
[02:17] <mrmonkeyman> Also, I noticed on mine when I installed it that the whole screen was to the right as well and I changed the settings on the monitor itself
[02:18] <mrmonkeyman> I have it on my favorites
[02:19] <Braeloch> mrmonkeyman: When I tried to change the monitor itself, the menu display showed the screen was moving according to the changes I was making but Kubuntu itself didn't move at all.
[02:20] <crash__> holy wootness! My wifi card decided to work!!
[02:21] <mrmonkeyman> then check the settings on a terminal type systemsettings
[02:21] <mrmonkeyman> to open it
[02:22] <Dr_willis> affan,  if it dident need it befor.. I doubt if it needs it now.
[02:22] <Dr_willis> affan,  there have been a lot of changes to the broadcom drivers however.
[02:23] <Choreboy> Can anyone help? My system is a giant toaster now :-(
[02:23] <crash__> I have some pop-tarts..
[02:23] <affan> Dr_willis: are there drivers for linux available from broadcom, do you know?
[02:23] <Choreboy> my cdrom refuses to toast.
[02:23] <Prem> Need help with wireless setup in Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 4
[02:23] <Dr_willis> affan,  I just had to in stall the bw fw cutter tools and my card worked.
[02:24] <Prem> I have Broadcom Wireless cards
[02:25] <Dr_willis> theres DOZENS of types of broadcom cards. :)
[02:25] <Prem> Can you walk through the setup?
[02:25] <Dr_willis> its the chipset of the card thats imporntant
[02:25] <Choreboy> huzzah I have logged into console! Now can someone tell me where to go from there to undo the damage I did by enabling desktop effects?
[02:25] <Prem> Broadcom BCM4312
[02:26] <Prem> I got the "bcm43xx-fwcutter_20060108-6build1_amd64.deb"
[02:26] <Braeloch> mrmonkeyman: I'm going to log into Kubuntu. This is retarded, trying to jump back and forth. I'm hoping kvirc proves to be a capable IRC client. If so, I'll be back here in a few moments.
[02:26] <Prem> installing this will solve my problem?
[02:27] <Dr_willis> Prem,  depends on your wireless cards specific chipset.
[02:27] <Prem> how do I find that?
[02:27] <mrmonkeyman> ok I'm using konversation
[02:27] <Dr_willis> Prem,  i dont download specific debs. i grabbed the  b43-fwcutter - Utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware
[02:27] <Dr_willis>   for my card
[02:27] <Dr_willis> !wireless
[02:29] <Prem> there are so many docs there
[02:29] <Prem> which to look into?
[02:30] <mrmonkeyman> Is there an application for 8.04 that works like disks and filesystems did on 7.10?
[02:30] <Choreboy> my poor shiny new system is fubar.
[02:31] <rrr3> Choreboy: hehe
[02:32] <rrr3> Choreboy: have same problem
[02:32] <rrr3> I installed the desktop effects and ubuntu  FAILED
[02:32] <rrr3> massivly
[02:32] <rrr3> Choreboy: report bug to lunchpad, eventually someone will fix then
[02:32] <Choreboy> is there a way to undo the latest system changes? A system restore, if you will..
[02:32] <Choreboy> I can't report a bug to anyone anywhere, I can't get on my syste
[02:32] <rrr3> Choreboy: I guess you want to disable Xgl, googld how to do that.  afair, like  /etc/Xgl/disabled or something
[02:33] <rrr3> Choreboy: report once you can,  or get a laptop / livecd / etc
[02:33] <Choreboy> i have a live CD, can that help me repair my booboo?
[02:33] <affan_> Dr_willis: i just installed fwcutter and it worked!!
[02:34] <rrr3> Choreboy: first, report the bug, so that developers will know they failed. then they may fix it even :)
[02:34] <mrmonkeyman> Choreboy, rrr3 go there http://monkeyland.samutz.com/?page_id=25
[02:34] <rrr3> Choreboy: if you can't even go to console, then livecd would be helpfull
[02:34] <mrmonkeyman> it's not a bug
[02:34] <Dr_willis> affan_,  magical eh? :)
[02:34] <mrmonkeyman> your xorg.conf file is just messed up
[02:34] <Choreboy> I a in console now
[02:34] <Choreboy> but I don't know what to do
[02:34] <affan_> Dr_willis: let me restart and see if the magic holds ;)
[02:35] <mrmonkeyman>  Choreboy, rrr3 go there http://monkeyland.samutz.com/?page_id=25
[02:35] <rrr3> mrmonkeyman: yeah
[02:35] <Dr_willis> Well so far under hardy.. I got Samba share browsing constantly breaking.. and my printer keeps gettting lost... :(
[02:35] <Choreboy> mrmonkeyman: thanks, but I fail to see what that has to do with my login loop problem?
[02:36] <rrr3> Dr_willis: I found a number of failures in ubuntu 8.04, using it only today
[02:36] <rrr3> Dr_willis: report them all
[02:36] <Dr_willis> rrr3,  i had reported them.. ages ago.
[02:36] <aaroncampbell> genii: Thanks for that link to the appArmour printing bug, it WAS the problem, and I can print again.  You don't have any magic solutions for sound that stopped working do you?
[02:36] <rrr3> Dr_willis: then bug developers
[02:37] <Daisuke-Ido> Dr_willis: thank you, you just reminded me i have to re-set up my printer :)
[02:37] <Dr_willis> rrr3,  i cant seem to figure out the cause. cant find any rhyme or reason for why its doing it.
[02:37] <mrmonkeyman> your login loop problem is because when you log in it tries to load the desktop effects but fails and takes you back to login screen
[02:37] <genii> aaroncampbell: Hehe if Intel HDA possibly
[02:37] <rrr3> Dr_willis: bug cannonical to get moving, or stop lying that the system is mature and stable
[02:37] <Choreboy> KDE4 desktop effects, nothing to do with Compiz
[02:37] <mrmonkeyman> so you need to disable the desktop effects through console which only way to do that is by fixking the xorg.conf file
[02:37] <Dr_willis> rrr3,  should i demand a refund also!
[02:37] <genii> aaroncampbell: There is an !intelhda factoid here for solving that one
[02:37] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:37] <rrr3> Dr_willis: well, it is 250 usd for the support
[02:37] <Prem> Dr_willis I'm lost in Doc list
[02:38] <Prem> for Wifi
[02:38] <Choreboy> fix the xorg.conf file, check. I have no idea what that means but it sounds like the right thing to do.
[02:38] <aaroncampbell> genii: I'm pretty sure that's what I did with gutsy, but it didn't seem to work with Hardy :|
[02:38] <Dr_willis> Prem,  you know about as much about wifi as I do now.. You are on your own from there. :)
[02:38] <Prem> :)
[02:38] <aaroncampbell> !intelhda
[02:38] <robotgeek> Prem: what card do you have?
[02:38] <mrmonkeyman> kde4 desktop effects is compiz
[02:39] <genii> aaroncampbell: Yeah thats the one. Sound issues are not my strong area normally however.
[02:39] <aaroncampbell> Thanks
[02:39] <Choreboy> you sure? #Kubuntu-KDE4 told me there is no Compiz
[02:39] <mrmonkeyman> go to /etc/X11/
[02:39] <klobster> I got issues with dpkg, it kicks out an error with exit status 139.  Any ideas?
[02:39] <klobster> and hi
[02:40] <mrmonkeyman> its' the same thing, does the same thing
[02:40] <mrmonkeyman> ubuntu did the same thing since i don't know what version where they put nice
[02:40] <mrmonkeyman> button that said enable desktop effects
[02:40] <Dr_willis> KDE4 has its own alternative to compiz.
[02:40] <mrmonkeyman> which would install compiz
[02:40] <mrmonkeyman> yes but it does the same thing
[02:40] <Dr_willis> Its not 'compiz' however.
[02:41] <mrmonkeyman> its' still 3d desktop effects
[02:41] <Dr_willis> actually it has less features then compiz
[02:41] <Dr_willis> its not the compiz program, or code. its a similer feature. - if you want kde and compiz, use kde3 and install the compiz stuff.
[02:42] <mrmonkeyman> but if it messes up just like compiz does do you not fix it the same way as u do compiz
[02:42] <klobster> what is the command for the running process gui?
[02:42] <mrmonkeyman> by taking out all the extra stuff on xorg.conf
[02:43] <Dr_willis> My xorg.conf is about as minimal as they get.
[02:43] <rrr3> lol they really failed
[02:43] <Dr_willis> I dont know what you would do in xorg.conf go 'fix' compiz really. Ive never had to do so.
[02:43] <rrr3> everyone seems to have this "uh I will try this cool 3d stuff...  AYEEEEEE my desktop is borked!!!!"  problem.
[02:43] <klobster> also, now when I run a nonexistant command in kstart -> run, it opens a firefox window searching for it?!?
[02:44] <Dr_willis> Compiz is still very much a work in progress
[02:44] <toyo|desk> is there a way that I can remove KDE3 and only have KDE 4
[02:44] <Dr_willis> toyo|desk,  given the lack of features of kde4, you proberly dont want to just use kde4
[02:44] <klobster> also i borked webmin
[02:44] <toyo|desk> oh I see
[02:44] <toyo|desk> Dr_willis, but it is technically possible?
[02:45] <klobster> and i am still on gutsy
[02:45] <mrmonkeyman> then how would one disable the desktop effects?
[02:46] <Dr_willis> toyo|desk,  of course.. theres even a kubuntu isntall cd that has kde4 instead of kde3
[02:46] <toyo|desk> oh ok
[02:46] <toyo|desk> hmm well then
[02:46] <Dr_willis> mrmonkeyman,  kde4 has some setting tools/check box's to disable all that stuff.
[02:46] <toyo|desk> I will look into that later I think
[02:46] <toyo|desk> :D
[02:46] <mrmonkeyman> yeah but u need to be in gui to check that
[02:47] <toyo|desk> anyway bbl
[02:47] <Choreboy> I have to go, gang. Thanks for the help. I have not fixed this problem though, so you may see me in the near future
[02:47] <Dr_willis> mrmonkeyman,  err.. so? Ive totally lost the point of this discussion now...  was there an original problem?
[02:48] <Choreboy> but at the moment this Linux user needs to go get some luvins. Yes, rare... but it does happen.
[02:48] <mrmonkeyman> yes, desktop effects are not working to the point where you can't log into the gui
[02:49] <Dr_willis> mrmonkeyman,  compiz has a speficic file/setting in the users home dir - that can disable compiz,  thats not having anything to do with exiting the xorg.conf file. as for kde4's settings. No idea there. I dont mess with kde4 . ask in the kde4 channel if they have a similer feature.
[02:50] <michael__> Why is the KDE web browser so slow?
[02:50] <mrmonkeyman> k, I was trying to help choreboy he was the one with the problem
[02:50] <Fa> is it?
[02:50] <michael__> It's slow compared to Firefox
[02:50] <Dr_willis> ive totally missed the original problem then. :)
[02:51] <mrmonkeyman> Now if you want to know my problem though, its that I cannot find disks and file systems on 8.04 with kde4
[02:52] <mrmonkeyman> in the system settings
[02:52] <michael__> I'm upgrading to 8.04 now
[02:52] <Fa> have fun michael
[02:52] <michael__> It's almost done with the download
[02:53] <michael__> I had regular Ubuntu Hardy but I decided to go with the KDE version
[02:53] <Dr_willis> I went back to gnome... and realized WHY i gave up on gnome now.
[02:53] <Dr_willis> The gnome file manager just dosent 'work' the way I work... :) with managing files.
[02:54] <michael__> I usually use the best from both desktops
[02:54] <michael__> works best that way
[02:55] <michael__> I don't really like the Dolphin file manager
[02:55] <Dr_willis> yea. but its the default gnome file manager i have issues with. :)
[02:55] <michael__> See I like the default Gnome file manager
[02:55] <mrmonkeyman> what is the best way of managing hard drives and partions with kde?
[02:55] <michael__> Dolphin is a pain because if you go to the root you have to login as root
[02:55] <Dr_willis> and how it does this 'shift click to move/select a range' stuff..is constantly messing up on me.. I go back to using mc in a terminal window.
[02:56] <Dr_willis> mrmonkeyman,  manage how? Ive used the parted tools to resize, and alter them and so forth.
[02:56] <michael__> See when I have Dolphin I use the Xterminal
[02:56] <michael__> It's easier to command line
[02:57] <Dr_willis> I normally remove Dolphin. :)
[02:57] <mrmonkeyman> in that way
[02:57] <michael__> My Kubuntu is on it's own drive as is my XP
[02:58] <michael__> If I could play my games with Wine I would get rid of windows completely
[02:58] <dwidmann> How exactly does KDE's CPU load sensor work with regards to SMP systems? Does it measure the collective load where 100% = all logical CPUs maxed out?
[02:59] <mrmonkeyman> just wanting something more graphical
[02:59] <dwidmann> Dr_willis: d3lphin or dolphin?
[02:59] <genii> dwidmann: On my box it seems to go more like: 1st cpu hits 80-85% other 3 are ~7% each and the load sensor says 25% etc
[03:00] <michael__> We're trying to convince our boss to get rid of Vista on our Machines at work and put Linux on them.  Since most of what we do is browser and remote desktop based
[03:00] <DarkShinigami> How do I shrink the text size for my login? The "asterisk"/dots are big
[03:00] <rignes> Fa: I'm not as impressed by KDE4 as I thought I would be.
[03:00] <dwidmann> genii: I'm going to assume that's a yes
[03:01] <Fa> give it time rignes
[03:01] <genii> dwidmann: Basically yes. Although it doesn't do something like work all cpus equally, it maxes #1 then works on #2, and so on
[03:01] <dwidmann> rignes: a) it may grow on you - b) it's not going to be "complete" until august
[03:01] <lord> hola
[03:02] <dwidmann> genii: which is why I'm using taskset to force things like kcryptd onto #4
[03:02] <genii> dwidmann: Ah, OK :)
[03:02] <rignes> dwidmann: It may.  We'll see. ;)
[03:02] <lord> hola a todosss
[03:02] <rignes> It has a nice smooth look.
[03:02] <lord> alguien que porfa me pueda ayudar muchas gracias
[03:03] <genii> !es | lord
[03:03] <dwidmann> genii: it's really annoying the way it does that like you said ... results in the system slowing down, a lot.
[03:03] <lord> gracias muchas gracias
[03:04] <dwidmann> genii: IMO I shouldn't have to taskset for my system to be usable under load :(
[03:04] <genii> dwidmann: I'd definitely like to see each cpu being used equally instead. Because it puts more load on the first few a lot
[03:04] <genii> (the way it currently is)
[03:05] <Dr_willis> dwidmann,  Both. :)
[03:05] <Dr_willis> work time for me.
[03:07] <dwidmann> genii: I wonder if there are any kernel options to alter how it loads the CPUs
[03:07] <dwidmann> genii: compile time ... that is
[03:07] <genii> dwidmann: No idea
[03:07] <o0Chris0o> kubuntu is pretty cool and all..but some of the settings arent there like on kde3...like screensavers...the configure taskbar..etc
[03:07] <o0Chris0o> weird
[03:08] <mrmonkeyman> it seems more gnome like now like if they don't want you to configure anything
[03:09] <klobster> hello!
[03:09] <o0Chris0o> yeah
[03:09] <o0Chris0o> damn it
[03:09] <o0Chris0o> oops
[03:09] <o0Chris0o> sorry
[03:09] <klobster> adept is giving me issues, any help?
[03:09] <dwidmann> o0Chris0o: KDE4 isn't finished yet, things you're missing now will likely be present in August
[03:09] <Ahmuck> .
[03:10] <dwidmann> mrmonkeyman: sad I know :(
[03:10] <o0Chris0o> I see
[03:10] <o0Chris0o> so I switched to kde4 for nothing :(
[03:10] <o0Chris0o> lol
[03:10] <Braeloch> mrmonkeyman: Well, no luck.
[03:10] <o0Chris0o> how do I install kde3 and get rid of kde4?
[03:10] <o0Chris0o> lol
[03:11] <dwidmann> o0Chris0o: you can still use it some, find some bugs for devs to squash
[03:11] <Braeloch> mrmonkeyman: And I didn't realize you had to teach Kubuntu how to run an install program. I clicked the setup icon for KVIRC and it asked me what program I wanted to associate *.exe files with. So I was left baffled.
[03:11] <Ahmuck> follow the white rabbit
[03:12] <o0Chris0o> dwidmann: yeah I could, but I am not really good bug finding person
[03:12] <mrmonkeyman> if it was a *.exe then you need wine to install it
[03:12] <Braeloch> mrmonkeyman: I'm beginning to suspect you have to be a total geek to enjoy Kubuntu.
[03:13] <aaroncampbell> genii: Found my sound issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/213206
[03:13] <mrmonkeyman> you know, try 7.10 with kde3 and you will enjoy yourself a lot more
[03:13] <RurouniJones> Or it sounded like you downloaded the wrong kvirc binary
[03:13] <genii> aaroncampbell: Looks like you're two for two on solutions so far :)
[03:13] <aaroncampbell> no solution for that one yet :|
[03:13] <mrmonkeyman> I'm finding I'm having to many headaches with this new 8.04 version that I hve not had since 6.06
[03:13] <genii> aaroncampbell: Ah, too bad :(
[03:14] <aaroncampbell> yeah
[03:14] <Braeloch> mrmonkeyman: Anyhow, I found System Settings and checked out the Monitor/Display settings. Everything looked as it should. Resolution was set to 1440x900, refresh rate was correct, it recognized my monitor and video card, etc, etc. And yet this problem.
[03:15] <mrmonkeyman> That's weird, because it sounds like everything is correct to where it should work, I can't think of anything else...Sorry :(
[03:15] <o0Chris0o> whats the difference bentween ubuntu and kubuntu besides the GUI? is gnome pretty good?
[03:15] <mrmonkeyman> gnome is i look pretty but wont let you configure much
[03:15] <mrmonkeyman> its more mac like
[03:16] <o0Chris0o> I see
[03:16] <o0Chris0o> I like the weather feature you can put in the toolbar
[03:16] <Braeloch> mrmonkeyman: I'm baffling anyone I talk to. No worries.
[03:16] <o0Chris0o> and the window sfx
[03:16] <o0Chris0o> when you move em
[03:16] <mrmonkeyman> this new 8.04 with kde4 is feeling like gnome though so right now I could not tell you the real differences
[03:17] <o0Chris0o> so, how do I successfully and completely remove kde4 and downgrade to kde3?
[03:18] <Braeloch> I'd like to know, too
[03:18] <o0Chris0o> I should of just checked it out on Live CD before installing it lol
[03:19] <RurouniJones> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=666568&highlight=remove+kde4
[03:19] <Braeloch> Thanks RurouniJones.
[03:19] <o0Chris0o> ty RurouniJones
[03:19] <o0Chris0o> :)
[03:19] <RurouniJones> There are a few suggestions in that forum.
[03:19] <RurouniJones>  sudo aptitude purge kde4 kde4-core seems to be the most straightforward, note I havent tried these
[03:20] <RurouniJones> There is also a longer set of instructions that has one person saying it worked for them
[03:20] <o0Chris0o> alright, I will give it a try :)
[03:21] <will00> how well does kubuntu cooperate with touchscreens?
[03:21] <klobster> hello, any chance on tech support?
[03:21] <RurouniJones> klobster: Just ask the question, if anyone can help they will
[03:22] <o0Chris0o> I forgot which linux does, some bar room table top games use linux for their os
[03:22]  * Braeloch mutters something about wanting an iMac, and heads off for the night
[03:22] <klobster> I have questions about adept.  exit error status 139.  any help?
[03:22] <o0Chris0o> and they are touchscreens
[03:23] <will00> o0Chris0o iv heard about that
[03:23] <will00> im tryin to set up a new register for my boss, and he wants me to build a cheaper version than the prebuilts
[03:23] <xieo> ive got this odd problem.. the install cd gives me this "buffer i/o error on device fd0." i know it has to do with the floppy, but later on in the install kubuntu doesn't recognize either of my sata drives
[03:24] <xieo> im not sure if the problems are related, but if this problem occurs often, id like to know if theres a work around or something :)
[03:24] <RurouniJones> xieo, what motherboard do you have
[03:24] <RurouniJones> google for your motherboard make and ubuntu + install
[03:24] <xieo> alright, ill give that a go
[03:25] <xieo> thanks
[03:25] <RurouniJones> Sounds like it probably has one of those cheapo SATA RAID chips which aren great
[03:25] <RurouniJones> may be causing an issue
[03:25] <xieo> :/
[03:25] <xieo> i was afraid of htat
[03:26] <o0Chris0o> will00: yeah I wouldn't of ever known they were linux till I had to turn one on and watch it boot up
[03:26] <cahuez> wohooo, i'm doing the kubuntu distro upgrade right now, just 5 hours left to get kubuntu 8.04 done...!!
[03:27] <will00> o0Chris0o, do you have any experience with this
[03:27] <cahuez> but the best part, kubuntu working as usual at my turion_64 chic, hehe..!
[03:27] <o0Chris0o> will00: actually I am pretty new to linux
[03:27] <o0Chris0o> so no, not really
[03:29] <klobster> thanks, everyone...  I am glad i helped you when you had problems...
[03:29] <yoyoma> has anyone got pptp vpn to work in kubuntu 8.04?
[03:29] <o0Chris0o> klobster, you were asked to ask the question
[03:34] <mike> hey
[03:35] <o0Chris0o> well bbl
[03:35] <o0Chris0o> gonna get kde3 back
[03:37] <yoyoma> man, i thought pptp vpn was supposed to be fixed in 8.04
[03:44] <coreymon77> hi guys, im back
[03:46] <yoyoma> sigh
[03:46] <yoyoma> it looks like the 8.04 version of knetworkmanager still doesn't support PPTP VPN connections
[03:46] <yoyoma> this was a big in 7.10 that was supposed to be fixed, i believe
[03:47] <coreymon77> knetworkmanager is a piece of arse
[03:47] <coreymon77> really bad program
[03:47] <coreymon77> always has been
[03:49] <yoyoma> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/151867
[03:50] <yoyoma> that is just frustrating.  pptp (windows vpn server) is probably the most common corporate vpn server type out there... and it's not supported by kubuntu
[03:51] <yoyoma> that's the last piece of the puzzle that keeps me on dual boot kubuntu + xp
[03:53] <sparr__> yoyoma: im connected to a pptp vpn right now, using knetworkmanager in kubuntu
[03:53] <sparr__> yoyoma: however, i had to configure it in nm-applet (the gnome network manager)
[03:54] <sparr__> have you tried using nm-applet instead of knetworkmanager?
[03:55] <yoyoma> i did on 7.04
[03:55] <sparr__> it worked for me in 7.04, 7.10, and now in 8.04
[03:55] <yoyoma> sorry, i meant 7.10
[03:55] <yoyoma> gutsy gibbon
[03:56] <sparr__> it takes a lot of trial and error, because different pptp implementations ignore different parts of the spec, or use different names for things
[03:56] <sparr__> and i think i had to add some route entries manually
[03:56] <sparr__> so that local networking still worked alongside the vpn
[03:56] <sparr__> which is a bonus...
[03:56] <yoyoma> yeah
[03:56] <sparr__> windows xp can't do that, afaik
[03:56] <yoyoma> i'm just surprised something so useful still doesn't work....
[03:56] <sparr__> every other user of our work vpn has no internet access when using the vpn
[03:56] <sparr__> i do  :)
[03:56] <yoyoma> but it's hard to complain when it's free and i'm not a developer
[03:57] <yoyoma> there's an option in XP to specify whether to always use the remote gateway or not
[03:57] <crash__> sparr: they missed a checkbox
[03:57] <sparr__> ugh
[03:57] <crash__> happens all the time
[03:57] <sparr__> i thought i was using 8.04
[03:57] <crash__> internet + vpn is possible on XP
[03:57] <sparr__> apparently my dist-upgrade STILL isnt finished
[03:57] <|dthacker|> Hi, I just had to do a hard boot because open office froze up and now I freeze when the display manager starts up.
[03:57]  * sparr__ downloads another 175MB of packages, to finish installing 2GB of packages
[03:58] <yoyoma> hehe
[03:58] <sparr__> |dthacker|: ctrl alt f1
[03:58] <|dthacker|> rebooting
[03:58] <sparr__> for the record, do not reboot during a dist-upgrade
[03:58] <sparr__> how can i switch from mythbuntu to kubuntu startup/shutdown screens?
[03:59] <RurouniJones> sparr__: They do tell you that in the instructions :)
[03:59] <sparr__> RurouniJones: yes, but one might THINK the dist-upgrade is done when its not
[04:00] <yoyoma> bah.  well, seeya guys.  i've gotta boot to XP to get work done :(
[04:00] <sparr__> when dpkg exits complaining of a single error, it makes me happy.  unfortunately i didnt notice 2000 lines earlier in the output that that error blocked over half the dist-upgrade from completing
[04:00] <|dthacker|> wow, it's back.
[04:00] <sparr__> i would file a bug report on dpkg, but im lazy, and no one would fix it
[04:02] <martin_> Hola Cual es la manera más sencilla de actualizar kde3 a kde4, vale la pena?
[04:02] <Jucato> !es
[04:02] <|dthacker|> !es | martin_
[04:03] <martin_> thanks a lot, pals
[04:04] <martin_> Hola Cual es la manera más sencilla de actualizar kde3 a kde4, vale la pena?
[04:04] <Jucato> still wrong channel martin_
[04:04] <genii> I wonder if his remark was sarcasm
[04:06]  * Jucato gives the benefit of the doubt unless proven otherwise
[04:06] <Fa> lol
[04:07] <genii> Jucato: Thats usually the best policy
[04:20] <mrmsudawgs> ping
[04:21] <purpleposeidon> *pang*
[04:23] <kalinda> Hello - I'm wondering, since a friend of mine blew away his xorg.conf and couldn't get it back, is Bulletproof X actually included in Kubuntu Hardy? It wasn't on the "new features" page for the finaly release....
[04:27] <Odd-rationale> kalinda: wnat me to pastebin a xorg file with vesa as driver?
[04:27] <rickey> is there a kubuntu offtopic chat
[04:28] <Odd-rationale> rickey: yes. #kubuntu-offtopic
[04:29] <kalinda> Odd-rationale: No, that's ok, he already dealt with it. I just wanted to know if bulletproof X actually came with Kubuntu Hardy
[04:33] <brian_> so what exactly is this?
[04:38] <genii> I guess he really didn't care enough about it to hang around for an answer
[04:39] <DarkShinigami> !c++
[04:39] <DarkShinigami> Where can I get help with C++?
[04:39] <DarkShinigami> !c
[04:40] <Jucato> DarkShinigami: what kind of help?
[04:40] <Jucato> general C++ help?
[04:40] <DarkShinigami> Jucato: Hey. Been a while. Yes, general help.
[04:40] <Jucato> ##c++
[04:41] <DarkShinigami> Thanks Jucato
[04:43] <mrmonkeyman> can anyone help me mount hard drives using the terminal, i get a message saying denied ntfs denied
[04:49] <Odd-rationale> mrmonkeyman: what have you tried?
[04:50] <dsmith_> y
[04:51] <mrmonkeyman> mount
[04:52] <Odd-rationale> mrmonkeyman: are you trying to mount an external or internal hdd?
[04:52] <mrmonkeyman> internal
[04:52] <Odd-rationale> mrmonkeyman: do you knoe the device name?
[04:52] <Odd-rationale> know
[04:52] <mrmonkeyman> sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdc1 /media/test
[04:52] <mrmonkeyman> that is what i tried
[04:53] <Odd-rationale> mrmonkeyman: does /media/test exist?
[04:53] <mrmonkeyman> and i got
[04:53] <mrmonkeyman> Failed to mount '/dev/sdc1': Operation not supported
[04:53] <mrmonkeyman> Mount is denied because NTFS is marked to be in use. Choose one action:
[04:53] <Odd-rationale> mrmonkeyman: ah, windows on it?
[04:53] <mrmonkeyman> no
[04:53] <mrmonkeyman> i made it
[04:54] <mrmonkeyman> with sudo mkdir
[04:54] <mrmonkeyman> but i am now noticing that i cannot write to it
[04:54] <mrmonkeyman> is that my problem
[04:54] <Odd-rationale> mrmonkeyman: no I meant windows on the ntfs partition.
[04:54] <Odd-rationale> ?
[04:54] <mrmonkeyman> ohhh, no windows just data but is ntfs from windows
[04:55] <mrmonkeyman> i want to mount it take data out then convert it to ext3
[04:55] <Odd-rationale> mrmonkeyman: ok. can you force mount it?
[04:55] <cahuez> yes, you can..
[04:55] <mrmonkeyman> will that in any way jeopordize my data?
[04:55] <Odd-rationale> mrmonkeyman: unlikely
[04:55] <mrmonkeyman> i have no backup of it and its 250 gb
[04:56] <Ahmuck> mrmonkeyman: you need a backup
[04:56] <FaceOfBoe> Can anyone tell me how to get the rotating cube going?
[04:56] <o0Chris0o> rotating cube?
[04:56] <cahuez> hey mrmonkey, just mount it and force if just for storage..
[04:56] <Ahmuck> pick up a new drive, sata 300g seagate, and format for fat32 and backup first
[04:56] <o0Chris0o> o.0
[04:56] <mrmonkeyman> awsome it worked
[04:56] <mrmonkeyman> ok
[04:56] <Odd-rationale> mrmonkeyman: cool
[04:57] <ubuntu> Anyone else noticed that 8.04 is more than a bit buggy?
[04:57] <mrmonkeyman> now i have another hard drive and that one is sata
[04:57] <Odd-rationale> ubuntu: nope
[04:57] <mrmonkeyman> do i need to do anything different
[04:57] <Odd-rationale> FaceOfBoe: do you have compiz?
[04:57] <FaceOfBoe> just finished getting it
[04:57] <Odd-rationale> mrmonkeyman: different formatting, you mean?
[04:58] <Odd-rationale> FaceOfBoe: did you install compizconfig-settings-manager?
[04:58] <mrmonkeyman> i mean do i do the same command or do anything different
[04:58] <Odd-rationale> mrmonkeyman: to mount?
[04:58] <mrmonkeyman> exactly
[04:58] <Odd-rationale> mrmonkeyman: should be the same. might want to unmount the other if you want to use the same mount point. or create a new one
[04:58] <FaceOfBoe> should I go with advanced or simple?
[04:59] <Odd-rationale> FaceOfBoe: custom
[04:59] <mrmonkeyman> ok, what is best way to unmount just sudo umount /media/test
[04:59] <Odd-rationale> FaceOfBoe: install compizconfig-settings-manager first, though
[04:59] <Odd-rationale> mrmonkeyman: yes
[04:59] <Ahmuck> yes, why is that.  did kde or kubuntu decide not to provied a unified interface for compiz
[04:59] <o0Chris0o> what is the rotating cube thing?
[05:00] <Odd-rationale> Ahmuck: nope.
[05:00] <Ahmuck> bleh
[05:00] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: to have your virtual workspaces in like a cube.
[05:00] <mrmonkeyman> ok, now say i want to add this to fstab
[05:00] <o0Chris0o> I see
[05:00] <o0Chris0o> I had that in gentoo before
[05:00] <mrmonkeyman>  mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdc1 /media/test -o force
[05:01] <o0Chris0o> how do I get that Odd-rationale? I don't have compiz
[05:01] <FaceOfBoe> still not working  :(
[05:01] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: what version of ubuntu you got?
[05:01] <Odd-rationale> FaceOfBoe: did you install ccsm?
[05:01] <o0Chris0o> 8.04
[05:01] <FaceOfBoe> ya
[05:01] <ubuntu> heh, compiz messed with my media player, kept getting nasty looking snow instead of my movies.
[05:02] <waldschatten> There, now I have my name
[05:02] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: what graphics card you got? is it relatively new?
[05:02] <ubunturos> This OpenWeek interest me a lot!
[05:02] <ubunturos> interests*
[05:02] <o0Chris0o> yes it is
[05:02] <Odd-rationale> FaceOfBoe: go to kmenu --> settings --> advance settings manager.
[05:03] <FaceOfBoe> kk
[05:03] <Odd-rationale> FaceOfBoe: go to kmenu --> system --> desktop effects and then click on install compiz
[05:04] <waldschatten> Well, in the one day I had 8.04 installed my desktop links stopped working, mono stopped working, wine apps started crashing.
[05:04] <FaceOfBoe> it's already installed
[05:04] <Odd-rationale> FaceOfBoe: have it open?
[05:04] <waldschatten> Maybe it was the dist upgrade, if I'd done it fresh from a CD it might have worked better?
[05:04] <FaceOfBoe> it's open
[05:05] <Odd-rationale> go to general options --> desktop size
[05:05] <Odd-rationale> FaceOfBoe: ^
[05:05] <o0Chris0o> is there kde extras you can install?
[05:05] <Odd-rationale> FaceOfBoe: and set the hor=4 ver=1 and #of desktop=1
[05:06] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: are you running kde3 or 4?
[05:06] <o0Chris0o> kde3
[05:06] <o0Chris0o> went back, downgraded
[05:06] <FaceOfBoe> I'm not seeing general options anywhere
[05:06] <o0Chris0o> 4 is def not ready
[05:06] <o0Chris0o> lol
[05:06] <zPliskin> thats exactly what i wanted to know
[05:07] <Odd-rationale> FaceOfBoe: it should be at the very top. the fisrt option
[05:07] <zPliskin> i am on kde4... i dont understand a thing
[05:07] <o0Chris0o> its not as configureable as kde3
[05:07] <o0Chris0o> I am going to wait till 4.1
[05:07] <zPliskin> beside of the whole plasma thing, whats the difference ?
[05:07] <Odd-rationale> FaceOfBoe: found it?
[05:07] <FaceOfBoe> not there...dunno wotz wrong
[05:08] <o0Chris0o> the layout, looking more like windows
[05:08] <Makuseru> how can i convert a ".m4a" to a ".mp3"?
[05:08] <zPliskin> i think kde3 is more like windows
[05:09] <FaceOfBoe> kk got it
[05:09] <o0Chris0o> more or less, they both are like windows :)
[05:09] <o0Chris0o> and gnome is like mac
[05:09] <Odd-rationale> FaceOfBoe: set hor=4 ver=1 and #=1 ?
[05:09] <zPliskin> i am looking for a good distro for my working laptop
[05:10] <zPliskin> i was waiting for kubuntu 8.04 with kde4
[05:10] <FaceOfBoe> k
[05:10] <zPliskin> and now i am all lost with those widgets everywhere and stuff
[05:10] <Odd-rationale> FaceOfBoe: ok. now enable the Desktop Cube and rotate Cube plugins. (check the check bax
[05:10] <Odd-rationale> box
[05:11] <zPliskin> i had 7.10 with kde3 and it took me like 1000 years to make wireless working
[05:11] <zPliskin> and with this remix 4 one, it worked on first try.
[05:11] <Odd-rationale> You can play with the other settings later, but for now, also enable the Cube Cap plugin and the Wobbly Window plugin for kicks.
[05:12] <zPliskin> actually it roughly works well. but its full of little annoying stuff all around
[05:12] <o0Chris0o> yeah
[05:12] <zPliskin> like the default menu doesnt have the new software i saved
[05:12] <ubuntu> Is an intel Core 2 Duo 64 bit?
[05:12] <zPliskin> yes
[05:13] <FaceOfBoe> arrrgh...still not working
[05:13] <zPliskin> by the way, whats the difference between 64 and 32 bits with latest kubuntu ?
[05:13] <ubuntu> Argh, downloaded the x86 disc.
[05:13] <Odd-rationale> FaceOfBoe: did you select Custom on the desktop effects settings?
[05:14] <zPliskin> ubuntu > still works anyways
[05:14] <ubuntu> Yup, what's the difference anyways, aside from the extra ram you can install?
[05:14] <FaceOfBoe> Odd-rationale: Ya
[05:14] <dwidmann>  I can't seem to get ServiceMenus working in Konqueror (or Dolphin either for that matter), what's up with things?
[05:15] <zPliskin> no idea. thats why i ask -_-
[05:15] <zPliskin> by the way, is there a way to go from kde4 to kde3 without reinstalling everything ?
[05:15] <Odd-rationale> FaceOfBoe: if you adjusted the settings in ccsm, and chose advance ot simple by mistake it will overwrite your settings and you will have to do it again
[05:15] <dwidmann> zPliskin: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:15] <ubuntu> Heh, missed you asking the same thing pliskin
[05:16] <zPliskin> dwid, thats all ?
[05:16] <dwidmann> zPliskin: piece of cake huh?
[05:16] <Odd-rationale> FaceOfBoe: so make sure the settings are correct, then go to desktop effects and select Custom. then select apply
[05:16] <zPliskin> is kde4 still on my HD then ?
[05:17] <Odd-rationale> zPliskin: yes it would
[05:17] <Odd-rationale> zPliskin: you can have both. just choose your session in the kdm sessions menu
[05:17] <zPliskin> really?
[05:17] <Odd-rationale> yep
[05:18] <zPliskin> where is that kdm session menu?
[05:18] <macosxp> Please help! I'm trying Kubuntu with KDE 4 (installed as a file in windows using the wubi installer) but I can't seem to change settings like my tcp/ip or connect online or change desktop settings like graphics acceleration for desktop compiz
[05:18] <FaceOfBoe> Odd-rationale:  YaY  :)
[05:18] <Odd-rationale> FaceOfBoe: kool.
[05:19] <o0Chris0o> so how do I get rotating cube :) lol
[05:19] <o0Chris0o> whats the file name for it? I can search fo rit
[05:19] <Makuseru> does anyone know why amarok cant change the metadata on .m4a files?
[05:19] <FaceOfBoe> meanwhile now I gotz this Adept Notifier window that won't go away
[05:19] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: did you already go to kmenu --> system --> desktop effects and select install ?
[05:19] <macosxp> can anyone help me?
[05:19] <Odd-rationale> FaceOfBoe: I get that too...
[05:20] <Odd-rationale> macosxp: try in #kubuntu-kde4
[05:20] <macosxp> okay thanks, bye
[05:20] <dthacker> macosxp: sorry, havent used wubi
[05:20] <o0Chris0o> Odd-rationale:  no let me do that, thought that was for FaceofBoe
[05:20] <zPliskin> yo whats wrong with ubuntu servers, i download at 13KBS :(
[05:21] <Odd-rationale> !slow | zPliskin
[05:21] <Deepthought> !kde4
[05:21] <Odd-rationale> Feisty???
[05:21] <FaceOfBoe> neXt Q: how do I get Kaffeine to play my DvD's?
[05:21] <Odd-rationale> FaceOfBoe: ok
[05:21] <Deepthought> test
[05:21] <dwidmann> !css FaceOfBoe
[05:21] <o0Chris0o> yah what is fiesty?
[05:21] <dwidmann> !css | FaceOfBoe
[05:21] <o0Chris0o> !fiesty
[05:21] <o0Chris0o> oops
[05:22] <o0Chris0o> !feisty
[05:22] <dwidmann> lol
[05:22] <maduser> wtf?
[05:22] <Odd-rationale> FaceOfBoe: do "sudo aptitude install libdvdread3 && sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh"
[05:22] <o0Chris0o> hmm
[05:22] <Makuseru> !libmp4
[05:22] <o0Chris0o> I'm lost
[05:22] <maduser> !hardy
[05:22] <maduser> ah they need to update the bot
[05:22] <Odd-rationale> ubot5 is out of date....
[05:22] <zPliskin> quick question, i use winamp on windows. whats the equivalent on linux ? amarok ?
[05:22] <o0Chris0o> update the bot!
[05:22] <o0Chris0o> :-p
[05:22] <dthacker> Makuseru: why don't you ask #amarok?
[05:22] <Odd-rationale> lol
[05:22] <ubunturos> heh
[05:22] <dwidmann> Odd-rationale: doesn't that install an older version of libdvdcss2 though? (ie: 1.2.5 instead of 1.2.9)
[05:23] <Makuseru> dthacker: because everyone is dead in there
[05:23] <dwidmann> Makuseru: I take no responsibility for their deaths
[05:23] <Makuseru> ha
[05:23] <Odd-rationale> dwidmann: dunno. I think that is the reccomended method. the wiki team was discussing whether or not they should advise adding 3rd party repos...
[05:24] <dthacker> Makuseru: they're not dead, they're just hibernating
[05:24] <zPliskin> winter was heavy
[05:24] <Makuseru> hibernating for life
[05:24] <dwidmann> Odd-rationale: well, last time I checked, that was the case
[05:24] <zPliskin> ya back at 150KBS !
[05:24] <dthacker> zPliskin: I like amarok for playing music, there are other players available too
[05:25] <Makuseru> does anyone know how to edit .m4a metadata?
[05:25] <Odd-rationale> dwidmann: which was? adding medibuntu?
[05:25] <o0Chris0o> Odd-rationale: oh yeah, the desktop effects are already installed
[05:25] <o0Chris0o> I mean compiz engine
[05:25] <dwidmann> Odd-rationale: no, the script from libdvdread installing an older version ... of course, I haven't tried it in a while
[05:25] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: ok. now install compizconfig-settings-manager
[05:26] <o0Chris0o> k
[05:26] <flank> I love my kubuntu 8.04 but it freezes alot
[05:26] <FaceOfBoe> Odd-rationale: I got this "Install debhelper and fakeroot, then run this script again"
[05:27] <TeslaTony> I've been getting randomly logged out of my system. Anyone know what might be going on?
[05:27] <Deepthought> ﻿﻿ I installed kde4 on my ubuntu/kubuntu rig (hardy), and now the whole graphic login is gone, there's p[roblems with x-auth and so changing sessions is impossible, only a mamaed gnome.   Worse, becuese of the x-auth I can' t start synaptic to fix broken packages or reinstall kde-desktop gnome-desktop.   ﻿anyone had that problem ?  KDE4 messing up the whole sys ?
[05:28] <keeper> Hi, I'm having some problems getting my keyboard to work, I can use it at the login screen, but as soon as I log in it stops responding
[05:28] <dwidmann> Odd-rationale: also, with any arch other than i386 you have to have all the tools installed for building packages - and it isn't even kind enough to install them for you
[05:28] <keeper> Also the on screen keyboard doesn't work
[05:28] <flank> everyone has problems
[05:28] <dwidmann> Odd-rationale: given that tidbit, I certainly can't recommend the script
[05:29] <o0Chris0o> Odd-rationale: installed
[05:29] <dwidmann> Odd-rationale: and here's where it has the version set for the script --- uversion=1.2.5 --- so it looks like I was right
[05:30] <o0Chris0o> wb Odd-rationale
[05:30] <Odd-rationale> sorry i got disconneted...
[05:30] <Odd-rationale> thanks!
[05:30] <o0Chris0o> :)
[05:30] <Odd-rationale> FaceOfBoe: does dvd plays for you?
[05:31] <dwidmann> Odd-rationale: did you get any of what I said in the last three minutes or so?
[05:31] <o0Chris0o> I got compizconfig-settings-manager installed
[05:31] <Odd-rationale> dwidmann: what was it?
[05:32] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: ok then scroll up and read what i wrote to FaceOfBoe ;)
[05:32] <o0Chris0o> :)
[05:32] <dwidmann> dd-rationale: also, with any arch other than i386 you have to have all the tools installed for building packages - and it isn't even kind enough to install them for you ------- Odd-rationale: given that tidbit, I certainly can't recommend the script ------ Odd-rationale: and here's where it has the version set for the script --- uversion=1.2.5 --- so it looks like I was right
[05:33] <keeper> Could it be that my keyboard has something strange in xorg.conf ?
[05:33] <Odd-rationale> dwidmann: the scripts just downloads a .deb and installs it. correct?
[05:33] <dwidmann> Odd-rationale: only for i386, otherwise it has to download the source and build it
[05:34] <Odd-rationale> sorry, I thought you meant arch as in arch linux...
[05:34] <cube_> hey very new to kde what do i use as a synaptic equivelant?
[05:34] <dwidmann> Odd-rationale: just look at the script, it's pretty short and self explanitory
[05:34] <dwidmann> cube_: adept
[05:34] <keeper> I'm really not sure how it could be working at login screen, but not after logging in ( even numlock won't change its status)
[05:35] <Odd-rationale> dwidmann: i see. does medibuntu have other architectures then?
[05:35] <K4k-laptop> ok, so I just updated my kubuntu 8.04 install to kde4, but I seem to have lost my little widget to control my volume...how do I get it back?
[05:35] <dwidmann> Odd-rationale: yes, and it's also a more recent version of it
[05:36] <dwidmann> Odd-rationale: I think medibuntu does i386, amd64, and ppc
[05:37] <Odd-rationale> dwidmann: ok. then. seems like some should update the script to have it download from mdeibuntu and for your architecure.
[05:37] <dwidmann> Odd-rationale: I agree
[05:37] <keeper> I might try startx from recovery mode, any other ideas ?
[05:38] <Odd-rationale> dwidmann: if using i368 it seems ok. otherwise, i don't really like what it does....
[05:38] <dwidmann> Odd-rationale: I could do it easily enough, dunno how to get the changes in though
[05:38] <Odd-rationale> dwidmann: file a bug.
[05:38] <dwidmann> Odd-rationale: I suppose so, I'll just attach the modified script to the bug report and see how things go
[05:40] <K4k-laptop> anyone know what the volume applet for kde4 is? or if there is a way to use the one from kde3.5 on 4?
[05:40] <Odd-rationale> K4k-laptop: kmix?
[05:40] <K4k-laptop> yea, thats it, thank you
[05:40] <K4k-laptop> I couldn't remember what it was called
[05:41] <K4k-laptop> where do I put that to make it autostart when I login?
[05:41] <K4k-laptop> is there a special kde startup file?
[05:41] <Odd-rationale> !autostart | K4k-laptop
[05:42] <cube_> what do i type in terminal to list all my hardware like cpu,memory,hd
[05:42] <FaceOfBoe> <--Still fighting to get a DVD to play
[05:42] <K4k-laptop> cube_, it's lspci for anything but mem and proc I think
[05:42] <K4k-laptop> for mem it's "free"
[05:42] <Odd-rationale> FaceOfBoe: what happned?
[05:42] <K4k-laptop> for disk space it's "df -h"
[05:42] <FaceOfBoe> Odd-rationale: I got this "Install debhelper and fakeroot, then run this script again"
[05:42] <K4k-laptop> and proc, you have to cat the /proc file, but I don't remember where it is
[05:43] <Odd-rationale> FaceOfBoe: ok. forget that
[05:43] <Odd-rationale> FaceOfBoe: add the medibuntu repo and install libdvdcss2 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[05:43] <FaceOfBoe> I wish I could remember how I did it last time  *argh*
[05:43] <cube_> there was this one command i could enter that would list out specificly like what it looks like here http://myspace.com/cubesis
[05:44] <cube_> y
[05:45] <o0Chris0o> alright, I installed ccsm
[05:46] <o0Chris0o> where do I go for the general options --> desktop size
[05:46] <o0Chris0o> Odd-rationale:
[05:46] <keeper> cube_: dmidecode -q | less
[05:46] <cube_> wow adept seems faster then synaptic
[05:46] <Daisuke_Laptop> why would you link to a myspace page?  do you hate us that much? :)
[05:46] <cube_> i just didn't feel like pastebin
[05:46] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: in kmenu --> settings --> advance desktop settings
[05:46] <cube_> do you know how i can output that
[05:46] <o0Chris0o> ahh
[05:46] <o0Chris0o> ok
[05:47] <Odd-rationale> cube_: use pastebinit!
[05:50] <keeper> I think I'll try startx from recovery mode, brb
[05:50] <azmaa> while upgrading to hardy heron I need to download many softwares. upgrader downloads them but it's slow. how can i have list of softwares it is downloading so I'll be able to download it somewhere else?
[05:50] <cube_> sorry guys here http://paste.ubuntu.com/8654/
[05:50] <FaceOfBoe> this DVD thing is just not working 4 me.  :(
[05:51] <cube_> after setting it to not use swap how do i get rid of the swap space being used to free space?
[05:51] <Makuseru> how can i change the tags on a m4a file? i got the libmp4v2 but i still cant change them. what else do i need to do?
[05:52] <o0Chris0o> Odd-rationale: not working for me for some reason
[05:53] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: do you have a compiz capable graphics card?
[05:53] <o0Chris0o> yes it has worked with it before
[05:53] <cube_> what command would display this output? http://paste.ubuntu.com/8654/
[05:53] <Odd-rationale> FaceOfBoe: even with medibuntu? were you able to install libdvdcss2?
[05:54] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: you enabled the cube plugin etc?
[05:54] <FaceOfBoe> says it's installed in the manager. ..but still can't play DVD
[05:55] <o0Chris0o> Odd-rationale: yes in ccsm under desktop
[05:55] <cube_> is there a kde equivelent to gimp or do you just use gimp?
[05:55] <Odd-rationale> cube_: krita
[05:56] <zPliskin> i just finished downloading kde3. how do i switch from kde4 to 3 ?
[05:56] <Odd-rationale> zPliskin: log out and choose kde3 from the kdm sessions menu.
[05:56] <zPliskin> aight
[05:57] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: so after you choose custom in desktop effects and select apply, what happens?
[05:57] <o0Chris0o> just that, clicked apply and nothing happens :(
[06:00] <cube_> where do i adjust screen res
[06:00] <Odd-rationale> cube_: system settings --> monitor and display
[06:01] <FaceOfBoe> **YaY** DVD is playin
[06:01] <Odd-rationale> FaceOfBoe: good!
[06:01] <Odd-rationale> one down.
[06:01] <Odd-rationale> let me try to get o0Chris0o problem, then i'll go to sleep :)
[06:02] <o0Chris0o> :)
[06:02] <FaceOfBoe> :)
[06:02] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: what graphics card you gat?
[06:02] <Odd-rationale> got?
[06:03] <o0Chris0o> umm
[06:03] <dwidmann> Odd-rationale: what do you think of this? http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d5f149f92
[06:03] <o0Chris0o> I kidna forgot
[06:03] <cube_> it worked thanks
[06:04] <cube_> what is the name of the kde version of compiz-settings manager
[06:04] <o0Chris0o> dang
[06:04] <Odd-rationale> dwidmann: looks good to me. but again. I'm just an amateur at bash.
[06:05] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: do lspci | grep VGA
[06:05] <FaceOfBoe> Cheers Oddski...yer my hero  :)
[06:05] <dwidmann> Odd-rationale: so am I .... I don't know what some of that is doing
[06:05] <dwidmann> or do I, I don't remember
[06:05] <Odd-rationale> cube_: compizcongif-settings-manager
[06:05] <Odd-rationale> err
[06:05] <Odd-rationale> compizconfig-settings-manager
[06:05] <o0Chris0o> nVidia GeForce 8600 GT
[06:06] <Odd-rationale> in other words, the same ;) <-- cube_
[06:06] <dwidmann> o0Chris0o: hey, same card as me :)
[06:06] <o0Chris0o> :)
[06:06] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: ok. do alt+f2 and type "compiz --replace" with out the quotes and do enter
[06:07] <o0Chris0o> could not run specified command
[06:08] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: double check you spelling...
[06:08] <o0Chris0o> typed exactly how you typed it :) without the "
[06:10] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: try in terminal "sudo aptitude install compiz-kde"
[06:10] <Makuseru> how can i change the tags on a m4a file? i got the libmp4v2 but i still cant change them. what else do i need to do?
[06:11] <o0Chris0o> k
[06:11] <cube_> does kopete do myspace and gtalk?
[06:11] <o0Chris0o> nothing was installed, I must already have it
[06:12] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: try running "compiz --replace" in terminal and see if there is any errors
[06:14] <o0Chris0o> command not found
[06:14] <Odd-rationale> :?
[06:14] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: try "which compiz" in terminal
[06:15] <o0Chris0o> is there a space beteween compiz--replace?
[06:15] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: yes....
[06:15] <o0Chris0o> I tried that
[06:15] <o0Chris0o> and..
[06:15] <cube_> what would i use for ftp
[06:16] <o0Chris0o> I got "aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/kwin
[06:16] <Odd-rationale> cube_: konqueror, i guess
[06:16] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: hmm. seems like compiz is crashing...
[06:16] <o0Chris0o> xgl not present
[06:16] <o0Chris0o> and says
[06:16] <o0Chris0o> no whitelisted driver found
[06:17] <cube_> looks like gftp works fine on kde..man i don't know why i stayed with gnome for so long
[06:17] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: did you enable the nvidia restricted drivers from the restricted drivers manager?
[06:17] <o0Chris0o> yeah I did
[06:17] <o0Chris0o> let me go back and dbl check to make sure
[06:18] <o0Chris0o> yup, enabled
[06:18] <cube_> where is documentation for kubuntu
[06:19] <Odd-rationale> httpwiki.kubuntu.org
[06:19] <o0Chris0o> restricted drivers manager or hardware drivers manager?
[06:19] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: the latter
[06:19] <o0Chris0o> ok
[06:19] <Odd-rationale> cube_: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu
[06:20] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: pastebin you xorg-conf file for me
[06:20] <o0Chris0o> k
[06:20] <Odd-rationale> xorg.conf
[06:21] <o0Chris0o> how do I bring that up?
[06:21] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: here's the easy way.
[06:21] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: install pastebinit: sudo aptitude install pastebinit
[06:22] <o0Chris0o> easy way is always the best way lol..for me anyways
[06:22] <o0Chris0o> done
[06:24] <o0Chris0o> alright, installed it..its not listed to open it lol
[06:24] <Odd-rationale> sorry about that...
[06:24] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: where were we?
[06:25] <o0Chris0o> pastebinit is installe
[06:25] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: ok then do "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | pastebinit"
[06:25] <Odd-rationale> then give me the linkit gives you.
[06:25] <o0Chris0o> ahh nice
[06:26] <Odd-rationale> link?
[06:26] <o0Chris0o> weird
[06:26] <Odd-rationale> what?
[06:26] <o0Chris0o> says no such file or directory
[06:27] <o0Chris0o> I am typing cat /etc/x11/xorg.conf | pastebinit
[06:27] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: captital X
[06:27] <o0Chris0o> sorry, its late :(
[06:27] <Odd-rationale> here too :)
[06:28] <o0Chris0o> http://pastebin.com/f1a979644
[06:28] <o0Chris0o> I like this pastebinit, thanks for mentioning it
[06:28] <o0Chris0o> do I always use cat at the beginning? and | pastebinit at the end?
[06:29] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: well | is a pipe. you can pipe any output to pastebinit
[06:30] <o0Chris0o> alright
[06:30] <Odd-rationale> try for example with out the | pastebinit
[06:30] <o0Chris0o> ahh I see
[06:30] <Odd-rationale> I don;t know why it is now working... your xorg file is loading the glx module...
[06:31] <o0Chris0o> I dunno I must of done something wrong :(
[06:31] <o0Chris0o> should I log off and log back on to see if it worked?
[06:31] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: so you could essetiall do even somthing like apt-get install smoething | pastebinit and it will give the while apt output
[06:31] <o0Chris0o> ahh I see
[06:32] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: try running glxgears in terminal
[06:33] <o0Chris0o> running
[06:33] <Odd-rationale> hmm
[06:33] <o0Chris0o> red blue and green gears
[06:33] <o0Chris0o> lol
[06:33] <cube_> what is a cool looking app launcher? or that mac looking one for kde?
[06:33] <Odd-rationale> cube_: kooldock
[06:34] <cube_> thankyou
[06:34] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: yeah try loggin out and we'll try again...
[06:34] <o0Chris0o> ok brb
[06:36] <cube_> i launched cool dock but don't see it anywhere
[06:36] <Odd-rationale> cube_: move you mouse to the bottom edge
[06:36] <Odd-rationale> near the middle
[06:36] <cube_> its not working?
[06:37] <macosxp> Using KDE 4, why can't I double-click to open or right-click to copy files on the desktop... since when is the desktop a dull icon store?
[06:38] <Odd-rationale> cube_: do alt+f2 and type in "kooldock"
[06:38] <Odd-rationale> then try again
[06:38] <macosxp> and where are the compiz options?
[06:38] <cube_> where do i kill a process
[06:39] <macosxp> and how to I change my tcp/ip settings in a GUI?
[06:39] <Odd-rationale> macosxp: try in #kubuntu-kde4
[06:40] <Odd-rationale> cube_: do ctrl+esc to see list of runnning processes and to kill any if neeeded
[06:41] <cube_> ok what am i missing about this kooldock its simply not working
[06:42] <cube_> brb
[06:44] <o0Chris0o> sorry took so long
[06:44] <o0Chris0o> wouldn't come back from being logged off
[06:44] <o0Chris0o> had to resstart
[06:44] <o0Chris0o> but I am back
[06:44] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: ok. np
[06:45] <o0Chris0o> and
[06:45] <o0Chris0o> it works :)
[06:45] <o0Chris0o> want to know what the problem was
[06:45] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: kool! now I can sleep
[06:45] <o0Chris0o> you can hit me!
[06:45] <o0Chris0o> lol
[06:45] <kishore> hi all! i have a problem with running eagle in a kde4 session
[06:45] <cube_> ok i got cooldock to work but it keeps crashing
[06:45] <Odd-rationale> !kde4 | kishore
[06:45] <o0Chris0o> I forgot to restart the pc for the restricted driver to be enabled
[06:45] <o0Chris0o> :(
[06:45] <o0Chris0o> lol
[06:46] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: -_-
[06:46] <kishore> it crashes often but this does not happen with kde3
[06:46] <o0Chris0o> I thought I already did..
[06:46] <cube_> i am on 3.5 something for kde
[06:46] <cube_> and its crashing constant
[06:46] <Odd-rationale> cube_: you mean kooldock?
[06:46] <Odd-rationale> kishore: try asking in #kubuntu-kde4
[06:46] <o0Chris0o> Odd-rationale: thanks! appreciate your time
[06:46] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: np
[06:46] <kishore> Odd-rationale:
[06:46] <l> hi, where can I find a German language group?
[06:47] <kishore> Odd-rationale: thanks ill go there
[06:47] <cube_> yes it cause signall 11 egv , but why kde4 i am on 3.5?
[06:47] <Odd-rationale> !de
[06:47] <l> thx
[06:47] <Odd-rationale> cube_: I was talking to kishore
[06:47] <cube_> is there a way for me to make crash handler not report that crash
[06:47] <cube_> cause it stays working but keeps reporting it
[06:49] <caveman26> whats a good benchmarking program to use for figuring out the megaflops of a processor in linux?
[06:49] <cube_> how would i add things to kooldock?
[06:49] <cube_> ok sorry nevermind
[06:51] <cube_> how would i make crash handler stop reporting the bug?
[07:06] <Agent_bob> hung program "[dvd-slideshow] waiting for mpeg2enc to finish..."   but mpeg2enc is not using any cpu time, so it's not doing anything.   thoughts ?
[07:08] <theveryend> HEYY
[07:08] <Agent_bob> 23335 pts/0    Sl+   31:21 mpeg2enc -v 0 -q 4 -4 2 -2 1 -a 2 -M 3 -f 8 -o /usr/slideshow   <<< is that syntax even correct ?
[07:09] <theveryend> ANYONE?
[07:09] <cube_> i am on kubuntu amd64 8.04 and kooldock keeps sending signal 11 sigsevg as a crash is there anything i can do?
[07:09] <Jucato> !caps | theveryend
[07:09] <Agent_bob> theveryend what happened? did we join an empty channel ?
[07:10] <Jucato> !anyone | theveryend
[07:10] <theveryend> sorry
[07:10] <theveryend> this is my first time here
[07:10] <cube_> mine 2
[07:11] <theveryend> ima a bit confused
[07:11] <cube_> is there anyway i can stop crash handler from report the crash as kooldock stays open and working
[07:12] <theveryend> oh yeah. i got that one too
[07:12] <theveryend> it always happens
[07:12] <cube_> u know how to fix it?
[07:13] <theveryend>  no i dont know
[07:13] <theveryend> anyone know?
[07:13] <Agent_bob> na'me
[07:14] <Odd-rationale> cube_: try killing kooldock and try alt+f2 and type "kooldock --nocrashhandler"
[07:14] <cube_> u know how i can setup that way for boot?
[07:15] <Odd-rationale> cube_: do you have it set for kde to automatically save session?
[07:15] <cube_> i don't think i do
[07:15] <theveryend> its complicated
[07:15] <cube_> lol it worked but then now it doesn't stay open when it crashes
[07:16] <theveryend> lol
[07:16] <Odd-rationale> cube_: go to system settings --> advance --> session manager. and select on login --> restore previous session
[07:16] <Odd-rationale> cube_: you cant have you cake and eat it too ;)
[07:16] <Jucato> !autostart
[07:17] <Jucato> oh, that factoid isn't updated... http://jucato.org/kde/kde-autostart.html
[07:18] <Odd-rationale> good night all!
[07:19] <cube_> thanks for all the responses odd-rationale
[07:19] <Odd-rationale> cube_: np
[07:20] <theveryend> do u know how to use torrent?
[07:20] <theveryend> mine doesnt work
[07:21] <theveryend> anyone?
[07:21] <maduser> ktorrent?
[07:21] <zPliskin> how do you install java on firefox ?
[07:21] <theveryend> yes. ktorrent
[07:22] <Jucato> zPliskin: unless you're on 64bit, just install sun-java6-plugin
[07:22] <zPliskin> i just did the damn procedure and it doesn't work. firefox doesnt detect the plugin
[07:22] <zPliskin> how i do that ?
[07:22] <Agent_bob> mpeg2enc BUG!
[07:22] <theveryend> my firefox always close unexpectedly
[07:22] <Jucato> zPliskin: what procedure did you do?
[07:23] <zPliskin> the procedure on the sun site : http://java.com/en/download/help/5000010500.xml#selfextracting
[07:27] <Agent_bob> hmm konsole   shift+arrow to switch tabs   but what is the gnome-terminal key ?
[07:30] <theveryend> oh
[07:30] <Jucato> Ctrl+Page Up/Down
[07:31] <Jucato> Agent_bob: ^^^^
[07:32] <Agent_bob> ah ty
[07:32] <Agent_bob> and it doesn't cycle   ;/
[07:33] <Jucato> (it's GNOME.. what did you expect? :P)
[07:33] <Jucato> j/k
[07:33] <Agent_bob> :)
[07:33] <Agent_bob> hung program "[dvd-slideshow] waiting for mpeg2enc to finish..."   but mpeg2enc is not using any cpu time, so it's not doing anything.   thoughts ?
[07:34] <Agent_bob> i know i can kill mpeg2enc    but the program will error out.   is there a better way to build a slideshow-dvd ?
[07:35]  * Agent_bob wants to smack mpeg2enc's fingures with a hammer so it will stop "hanging" on...
[07:36] <Agent_bob> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d27d5be84
[07:37] <Agent_bob> i wouldn't wait more than two or three hours for that thing to do something.....
[07:39] <nicolas> hie everyone
[07:39] <Agent_bob> hmmm could not start GNOME Web Browser  \n\n Startup failed because of the following error: \n unable to determine the address of the message bus.
[07:39] <theveryend> argh
[07:40] <nicolas> i'm having trouble with lirc in hardy, am i alone?
[07:40] <theveryend> its driving me crazy
[07:41] <Agent_bob> i think i have determined that i like posting error messages, better than trying to solve other peoples issues.        or maybe not.
[07:43] <theveryend> ouch
[07:43] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: :)
[07:44] <nicolas> lirc daemon won't load, only the userspace works :s
[07:45] <Agent_bob> Lynoure here's another one.   :)     i just clicked the switch window managers.   (from blackbox to metacity)  heh all it acomplished is, now i have no menus bars buttons * !
[07:46] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: Gnome web browser == epiphany?
[07:46] <Agent_bob> yeah i think.
[07:46] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: but you are in kde, still? (just trying to figure out the situation)
[07:46] <Agent_bob> oh but i just found that i can now   alt+tab   and get a task manager/switcher
[07:47] <Agent_bob> Lynoure i haven't been in kde per'se in years.
[07:47] <Agent_bob> nor gnome...
[07:47] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: ok, then I don't even try to help you.
[07:47] <Agent_bob> :)
[07:47] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: too much work trying to guess what you have and what you don't :)
[07:48] <Agent_bob> yeah.   i fully understand that.        i have all the gnome and kde installed   but almost nothing running.
[07:48] <Agent_bob> Lynoure but:  if you could spare a moment.
[07:49] <Agent_bob> have you ever built any dvd slideshows ?
[07:50] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: Actually, I don't even know what they would be as dvd tends to be moving video and slides unmoving
[07:50] <Agent_bob> hung program "[dvd-slideshow] waiting for mpeg2enc to finish..."   but mpeg2enc is not using any cpu time, so it's not doing anything.   thoughts ?
[07:51] <Agent_bob> sorry.   i mean mpeg2enc seems to be all that is blocking my progress at this time.
[07:51] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: How did you determine it is not doing anything? strace?
[07:51]  * Lynoure loves strace
[07:51] <Agent_bob> top
[07:52] <Agent_bob> it doesn't even show up on "top"   and sp says it's been sleeping for 30 minutes
[07:52] <Agent_bob> s/sp/ps/
[07:52] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: try   strace -f -p pid-of-your process   for fun anyway
[07:53] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: it's probably waiting for something that is not there
[07:53] <Agent_bob> strace -f -p `pidof mpeg2enc`  ?
[07:53] <Lynoure> yes
[07:53] <Agent_bob> Process 23363 attached with 5 threads - interrupt to quit
[07:53] <Agent_bob>  <unfinished ...>
[07:53] <Agent_bob>  <unfinished ...>
[07:54] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: hmm, not very informative.
[07:54] <Agent_bob> that's all it said.
[07:54]  * Agent_bob shrugs
[07:55] <Lynoure> If that always happens, I'd restart and strace it into a file from earlier on
[07:55] <Lynoure> or go digging in /proc (but that's much less fun)
[07:56]  * Agent_bob wishes there was a slightly more polished app    even a cli app.
[07:56] <Agent_bob> for building dvd's
[07:57] <Agent_bob> if i do that i need to test run it on a small file.  not this 2 hour project.
[07:58] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: pity if you'll lose 2h of work :/
[07:58] <Agent_bob> i guess i just as well kill the thing.    loose all that data...
[07:58] <Agent_bob> yeah
[07:59] <Agent_bob> well  easy go.
[07:59] <Agent_bob> reguardless how it came.
[07:59] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: Manslide might be a "slightly more polished app", never tried it
[08:00] <Agent_bob> now that i have metacity running i think i'll start kicker so i'll have a menu.
[08:00] <Agent_bob> i'll look at it.
[08:04] <Agent_bob> hmmm maybe if i just nuke xorg it will leave the "completely finished" but not released dvd (the progress is at 100% and the only message is the "waiting for mpeg2enc to finish") and when i start the app it will see it's temp file and finish it ???
[08:05] <Agent_bob> oh well,  wish me good noogies!
[08:09] <oupa> Hi, I am having a problem sharing a printer attached to a Kubuntu system with an Ubuntu system. both 8.04. It used to 'just work' now it "just doesn't". Can anybody help me configure it? Please
[08:10] <cicero123> hello.iam trying to use the kde4 ubgrade disk. the insturtions read to run "kdesu "/cdrom/cdromupgrade" in the command line, but i get the error, "command not found.
[08:12] <Lynoure> cicero123: is your cd mounted?
[08:13] <cicero123> Lynoure:  yes.
[08:14] <vlt> Hello. Which of the install CDs/DVDs allows shrinking an existing NTFS partition before installing Kubuntu?
[08:15] <cicero123> Lynoure:  it is mounted as /media/cdrom0
[08:15] <Lynoure> cicero123: try   kdesu "sh /cdrom/cdromupgrade"
[08:16] <cicero123> Lynoure:  k
[08:16] <Lynoure> cicero123: well, that explain it :)  /media/cdrom0  instead of plain /cdrom  for you then
[08:17] <cicero123> Lynoure:  sorry. i know enough to be dangerous but not enough to make money. :(
[08:17] <monkeybritches> vlt: There's an option to resize partitions during installation
[08:17] <monkeybritches> Choose 'manual' and resize at will
[08:18] <vlt> monkeybritches: On desktop AND alternate CD? I remember it coming only with one of the install CDs in earlier versions ...
[08:19] <cicero123> Lynoure: i am still getting command not found.
[08:19] <monkeybritches> I don't know about alternate, but I have the other one and it's on it.
[08:20] <Lynoure> cicero123: what does ls -la  /media/cdrom0/cdromupgrade  show?  (I haven't upgraded that way ever myself, I always switch in the late alpha stage :) )
[08:20] <Lynoure> (or then upgrade over network later on)
[08:21] <Lynoure> cicero123: is is the alternate cd you are using?
[08:21] <MasterStone> hi everyone
[08:22] <cicero123> Lynoure: no such file or directory. :( but in properties is gives the mount as /media/cdrom0
[08:22] <MasterStone> i have a problem with my graphic installation after an upgrade to hardy
[08:22] <cicero123> i dont know. there are two exec files in it. a umenu.exe, and a wubi.exe
[08:23] <Lynoure> cicero123: does not sound like the right cd, but I'm yet to check
[08:24] <stdin> that would be the desktop cd
[08:24] <stdin> (there are no .exe's on the alternate cd)
[08:24] <Agent_bob> no such noogie !     oh swell
[08:25] <cicero123> Lynoure: if it is the wrong cd it would explain a lot. :/
[08:25] <Lynoure> cicero123: checked, it's the wrong cd
[08:25] <Agent_bob> vidio dvd's are just data dvd's with some specially named/formated files on them aren't they?
[08:25] <cicero123> Lynoure: which one do i need?
[08:25] <cicero123> kde on 386.
[08:25] <Lynoure> cicero123: the one called Alternate
[08:25] <Agent_bob> .vob's and such
[08:26] <cicero123> Lynoure:  k. thank you. i will dl it now.
[08:26] <Lynoure> cicero123: good luck.
[08:27] <cicero123> Lynoure:  thanx. :)
[08:27] <Agent_bob> cicero123 how much ram ?
[08:28] <Agent_bob> or am i misreading that "<cicero123> kde on 386"
[08:28] <walter_eco> hi - - I'm having a screen size problem
[08:28] <Agent_bob> me too.  mines too small
[08:28] <walter_eco> can't seem to go above 600 x 800
[08:28] <ubuntu_> let me take a stab and say you have nvidia drivers
[08:29] <walter_eco> also is there a way to see what version of kubuntu I'm running
[08:29] <ubuntu_> lsb_release -a
[08:29] <Agent_bob> lsb_release -r
[08:29] <stdin> Agent_bob: yeah, .VOBs are mpeg 2 sequences, but it's the .IFO and .BUP files that tell the DVD player the information about it, like titles, chapters, audio channels etc
[08:30] <walter_eco> matrox
[08:30] <ubuntu_> let me take a stab and say you have nvidia drivers?
[08:30] <walter_eco> could be
[08:30] <Agent_bob> stdin umm yes.  that's what i'm saying,  it's other wise just a data dvd,  correct ?
[08:30] <walter_eco> is there a way to see what drivers I have
[08:30] <walter_eco> (please)
[08:31] <ubuntu_> what i mean is what card do you have
[08:31] <stdin> Agent_bob: yep, it's just files on a disk
[08:31] <Agent_bob> stdin not at all like the old audio cd format
[08:31] <Agent_bob> right...   k
[08:31] <walter_eco> I have a matrox g450/500 video card
[08:31] <walter_eco> it says
[08:31] <stdin> Agent_bob: yeah, single session, not like VCDS/AudioCDs
[08:31] <walter_eco> which I believe
[08:32] <o0Chris0o> I have a question for kde3 desktop effects....whats the effect that when you hoover over a window the title bar shows up then when you move your mouse to another window..it disappears? trying to get rid of that, I don't care for it :(
[08:32]  * Agent_bob went to test
[08:32] <walter_eco> it was working just fine at 1000x1200 then I switched to 600x800 now it wont let me switchback
[08:33] <MasterStone> hi everyone. i have a problem with my screen resolution too.
[08:33] <MasterStone> after the boot, the kde-login screen displays huge fonts and only a tiny part of the whole screen
[08:33] <ubuntu_> kdesu displayconfig and under hardware choose the right drivers and more importantly choose corect device and the aproppriate resolution, it will write new values in xorg and restart x
[08:34] <MasterStone> the problem is that i cannot use any programs under kde because i cannot read a single thing
[08:36] <ubuntu_> at the login screen, the xorg will choose the highest resolution and use and then change to what you selected for kde,
[08:36] <walter_eco> its set to the right card supposedly
[08:36] <ubuntu_> compared to ubuntu channel this place is calm, am testing out kubuntu
[08:36] <walter_eco> it was working until i changed the setting
[08:37] <ubuntu_> chances are it will be, but is the monitor section correct walter_eco
[08:37] <noaXess> what to use on kubuntu to creating cd labesl.. also round cd labes to put on the cd itself?
[08:38] <MasterStone> after i have logged in, i cannot read a single thing, the mousepointer is about 3 cm large. the font is huge and only parts of the screen are visible at all
[08:39] <MasterStone> i have tried to change the xorg-parameters already with dpkg-reconfigure xorg-sxerver but that stops after setting keyboard and mouse setup
[08:40] <MasterStone> how can i say kde (or the sxerver) to start in a different screen resolution?
[08:40] <o0Chris0o> MasterStone: was there a pop-up for hardware drivers manager to enable the video card?
[08:40] <MasterStone> o0Chris0o: during dpkg-reconfigure? no
[08:42] <o0Chris0o> oic, I dunno. Thats what I did when I first installed kubuntu 8.04
[08:42] <o0Chris0o> I thought maybe it was similar to your problem
[08:42] <MasterStone> well, i did not install it from scratch but upgraded from 7.10
[08:43] <o0Chris0o> I see
[08:43] <o0Chris0o> is there like a computer chip icon by your clock on the right that you can see?
[08:44] <jaffarkelshac> did you fix the resolution problem (i switched to ubuntu)
[08:45] <MasterStone> the screenresolution is so bad that i can see the clock only partly, i can see the icon for the enter-button and the little menu-like icon a little underneath
[08:46] <o0Chris0o> hmm
[08:46] <jaffarkelshac> MasterStone, what card do you have
[08:47] <MasterStone> jaffarkelshac: it is a ati x300 i believe
[08:47] <jaffarkelshac> i have nvidia, and can only really help with that, but you need to edit your xorg.conf
[08:48] <MasterStone> i have tried to change that but with dpkg-reconfigure it doesnt work because i only get to change the keyboard and mouse settings
[08:49] <MasterStone> and with manually editing xorg.conf i can change the resolution but then my monitor says it cannot display the frequenzy although it should be with the given range
[08:50] <jaffarkelshac> did you try envy-ng
[08:50] <jaffarkelshac> i have been searching online for x300 xorg
[08:50] <jaffarkelshac> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=137742
[08:52] <o0Chris0o> I have a question for kde3 desktop effects....whats the effect that when you hoover over a window the title bar shows up then when you move your mouse to another window..it disappears? trying to get rid of that, I don't care for it :(
[08:53] <jaffarkelshac> when you have minized it?
[08:54] <jaffarkelshac> is the when the window is minimized? o0Chris0o
[08:54] <o0Chris0o> no when it is maximized
[08:54] <o0Chris0o> whethe title bar is there when it is active
[08:54] <o0Chris0o> when I move the mouse away from it...itit goes away
[08:54] <jaffarkelshac> i thought it was preview. but then i dont use kde
[08:55] <o0Chris0o> only happends when I enable the effects, but trying to figure out which effect it is exactly to disable it lol
[08:56] <jaffarkelshac> i am sure it is window preview
[08:56] <o0Chris0o> alright lets see
[08:57] <o0Chris0o> thats not under ccsm
[08:58] <o0Chris0o> for an effect
[08:58] <jaffarkelshac> no idea then, you have to probably do it the hard way
[08:58] <jaffarkelshac> 1 by 1
[08:58] <o0Chris0o> dunno
[08:58] <o0Chris0o> yeah
[08:58] <o0Chris0o> figures
[08:58] <o0Chris0o> lol
[08:59] <jaffarkelshac> not many ppl use kubuntu, the channel is very quiet. i tried it out today
[09:00] <o0Chris0o> there is quite a bit of ppl that use it
[09:00] <o0Chris0o> its 4am est here
[09:01] <o0Chris0o> its usally more populated during the day
[09:01] <jaffarkelshac> its 9 am where i am
[09:01] <o0Chris0o> ahh
[09:03] <Jucato> what a great logic!
[09:03] <Jucato> !night | jaffarkelshac
[09:04] <o0Chris0o> ubot has answers for many questions :)
[09:04] <o0Chris0o> lol
[09:04] <jaffarkelshac> what all kde users are in us?
[09:04] <Fa> no
[09:04] <Fa> i'm canadian
[09:05] <o0Chris0o> !day
[09:05] <Jucato> no. but to presume that everyone is in the same timezone is equally wrong :)
[09:05] <jaffarkelshac> when did i presume that Jucato
[09:05] <Jucato>  <jaffarkelshac> not many ppl use kubuntu, the channel is very quiet. i tried it out today
[09:06] <Tom_Smith_orygin> Hi, I have a question - Where can I find a Kubuntu 8.04 DVD release with KDE4 (official there are only CDs)
[09:06] <Jucato> anyway, just because the channel has been quiet when you were around doesn't mean that there are not many people using Kubuntu nor does it mean that it is always quiet
[09:07] <Jucato> Tom_Smith_orygin: none. DVD only has KDE 3 by default, but KDE 4 packages installable I think
[09:07]  * Jucato double checks
[09:08] <Tom_Smith_orygin> ok, is KDE4 friendly install from package (some like 'apt-get install kde4') ?
[09:09] <Jucato> Tom_Smith_orygin: yeah. sudo apt-get install kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[09:09] <Jucato> #kubuntu-kde4 for more information
[09:09] <Tom_Smith_orygin> thanks man
[09:09] <Tom_Smith_orygin> see you
[09:26] <ken_fallon> So is it usually this quiet here ?
[09:27] <Jucato> at this time of day, sometimes
[09:27] <Jucato> day or night
[09:28] <SlimeyPete> it can get quite busy
[09:29] <SlimeyPete> but never so much as #ubuntu
[09:29] <Jucato> (thank goodness!)
[09:29] <ken_fallon> So was is bussier after the release ?
[09:30] <Jucato> definitely
[09:33] <Agent_bob> only when i'm not here.
[09:34] <Jucato> (*especially* when you are here :P)
[09:34] <Agent_bob> :)
[09:35]  * Agent_bob saws one leg off of Jucato's chair.
[09:41] <kwiji> hi!
[09:42] <kwiji> I just tried to install kubuntu 8.04, but it doesnt show me a correct partition table
[09:42] <kwiji> theres only one hd shown, although i have 2 partitions, 2 ntfs and some free space for kubuntu
[09:43] <ken_fallon> Have you two hard disks then ?
[09:43] <kwiji> no, 1 sata
[09:43] <Agent_bob> then why shouldn't it "only one hd shown" ?
[09:44] <ken_fallon> Do you see the 2 partitions ?
[09:44] <Agent_bob> if you only have one hd then one hd is how many it should show
[09:44] <kwiji> ähm, i mean it doesnt show the 2 partitions
[09:44] <ken_fallon> ok what does it show ?
[09:45] <kwiji> the only possibility i have is to create a new partition table and delete everything
[09:45] <kwiji> it only shows my hd and no partitions, although i have 2 ntfs partitions
[09:45] <ken_fallon> Do the sizes match the hard disk ?
[09:46] <kwiji> hm, as far as i remember it just didn't show the size
[09:46] <Agent_bob> you still in the live cd ?
[09:47] <kwiji> no
[09:47] <kwiji> winxp
[09:47] <Agent_bob> k
[09:47] <ken_fallon> Have you encryption on the NTFS partations ?
[09:48] <kwiji> no
[09:48] <amerigo> ! games
[09:48] <kwiji> i just did the standard partition stuff with the winxp installation
[09:49] <ken_fallon> so you have a c and d drive
[09:49] <kwiji> c and e are my partitions
[09:50] <Agent_bob> how you skipped d ?
[09:50] <Agent_bob> never mind.
[09:51] <ken_fallon> kwiji: I'm looking up something. Please hold . . .
[09:51] <kwiji> thx
[09:51] <Agent_bob> well leave her dress alone and help the poor guy
[09:51] <Agent_bob> gosh
[09:52] <ken_fallon> Agent_bob: lol
[09:52] <Agent_bob> :)
[09:52] <o0Chris0o> how do I disable the effects that when I hover over a window it brings the title bar (with the minimize, maximize and exit buttons) up, but when I move the mouse away to a another window,the title  goes away and the active windows title bar shows up
[09:52] <o0Chris0o> hope that makes sense
[09:53] <ken_fallon> kwiji: Can you open up "Computer Management" and go to "Disk Management"
[09:53] <kwiji> with the live cd in or in winxp?
[09:53] <ken_fallon> xp
[09:54] <xst> After upgrading from gutsy to hardy I use the "hardware manager" to install the "ATI accelerated graphics driver" but it writes "Not in use" next to it? I have rebooted and everything. What to do?erything
[09:55] <ken_fallon> kwiji: it's under start - control panel - administration tools
[09:55] <kwiji> yes, i think i got it
[09:55] <kwiji> my winxp is german, so i dont know how they translated it ;)
[09:56] <ken_fallon> ok right click on disk 0 (if that's what it is) and select properties - hardware
[09:56] <Agent_bob> ##windows and #kubuntu-de both exist.
[09:57] <ken_fallon> You speak German ?
[09:57] <kwiji> i'am german ;)
[09:57] <Agent_bob> xst i can't answer that. but i did read it.
[09:58] <kwiji>  i went on properties
[09:59] <ken_fallon> on the "C:" volume right click and select properties then - harware
[09:59] <tzd> the time in akregator isn't correct (shows +1-2 hours for some feeds), anyone knows what's wrong please?
[09:59] <ken_fallon> It should list the disk type
[10:01] <kwiji> yes
[10:01] <ken_fallon> ok can you tell me the model please
[10:02] <kwiji> WDC WD3200AAKS-00VYA0
[10:02] <Agent_bob> western digital
[10:03] <ken_fallon> kwiji: thanks Eine Moment
[10:03] <kwiji> jupp
[10:03] <o0Chris0o> how do I disable the effects that when I hover over a window it brings the title bar (with the minimize, maximize and exit buttons) up, but when I move the mouse away to a another window,the title  goes away and the active windows title bar shows up
[10:04] <tuanpham> hi
[10:04] <tuanpham> does anyone use kubuntu beta 8  ?
[10:04] <tuanpham> i have some questions about kopete in this version
[10:04] <Agent_bob> beta 8 ?
[10:05] <tuanpham> yep
[10:05] <Agent_bob> ?
[10:05] <o0Chris0o> its not beta
[10:05] <tuanpham> kubuntu 8.04 bete
[10:05] <tuanpham> yep
[10:05] <tuanpham> i setting up before the realease
[10:05] <Agent_bob> 8.4 released.  not beta now.
[10:05] <tuanpham> i see
[10:06] <tuanpham> but i used an older one
[10:06] <ken_fallon> kwiji: I can't find anything that would suggest a problem. Can you boot into Kubuntu and rejoin from there ?
[10:06] <tuanpham> the beta version
[10:06] <Agent_bob> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:06] <SlimeyPete> tuanpham: if you've installed any updates within the last few days, you no longer have the beta version
[10:06] <tuanpham> i minute
[10:06] <tuanpham> a minute
[10:07] <tuanpham> i think i updated to newest
[10:07] <kwiji> yep, i just read tah gparted comes with the live cd, i'll try that
[10:07] <kwiji> tah = that
[10:07] <tuanpham> but hi have problem with kopete
[10:07] <tuanpham> i tried to save kopete setting
[10:08] <tuanpham> but it does not take effection
[10:08] <tuanpham> for exemple
[10:08] <marc-andre> hiho
[10:08] <tuanpham> i saved it not allow to show buble when recive message
[10:08] <tuanpham> but it can't save
[10:08] <tuanpham> do you know what i mean ?
[10:08] <marc-andre> i need a little help, i have activated my onboard graphic card, but i can't activate it in Gutsy
[10:08] <tuanpham> i tried to reinstall it
[10:09] <tuanpham> but it is still the same
[10:09] <Agent_bob> tuanpham ummm own your home ?
[10:09] <tuanpham> ?
[10:09] <Agent_bob> tuanpham    sudo chown $USER $HOME -R
[10:09] <tuanpham> what do you mean Agent_bob ?
[10:10] <marc-andre> here is my lspci : http://pastebin.com/m10ef245a
[10:10] <tuanpham> ok i tried
[10:10] <tuanpham> now i will tried to save setting
[10:10] <tuanpham> thank
[10:10] <Agent_bob> now see if you can save settings
[10:10] <marc-andre> i tried to add it manually into the xorg.conf, but nothing happend
[10:11] <marc-andre> and when i do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, it tells me it can't find any graphic hardware
[10:12] <Agent_bob> so set it to vesa
[10:12] <tuanpham> :D
[10:12] <tuanpham> it still can't save
[10:12] <tuanpham> i think this problem come form kopete
[10:13] <marc-andre> it is set to vesa, but the screen is still black
[10:13] <tuanpham> how can i install othr version of kopote to test ?
[10:13] <Agent_bob> tuanpham hmmm ok.   we might be able to get a usable error message out of it by closing it and running it from a konsole
[10:13] <tuanpham> let i try it
[10:14] <Agent_bob> tuanpham other version ?    get the .deb and right click it.
[10:14] <tuanpham> QEventDispatcherUNIX::unregisterTimer: invalid argument
[10:14] <tuanpham> QObject::connect: Connecting from COMPAT signal (KAction::activated())
[10:14] <tuanpham> kopete(9302) Kopete::IdentityManager::load: Created identity  "xjE5kmARd5"
[10:14] <tuanpham> this message i got
[10:15] <tuanpham> i don't know
[10:15] <Agent_bob> try to save settings and see if it adds anything
[10:15] <tuanpham> it automaticaly added when i setting up kubuntu
[10:15] <Agent_bob> non-com.
[10:16] <a_c_1> morning all
[10:16] <kaminix> !japanese
[10:16] <a_c_1> !64bit
[10:16] <Agent_bob> try to save settings and see if it adds anything to the messages in the konsole  ^
[10:17] <a_c_1> anyone know how to get realplayer (specifically the BBC radio player) working in kubuntu64?
[10:17] <tuanpham> no message when i save config
[10:17] <Agent_bob> tuanpham and you still can't save ?
[10:17] <tuanpham> Agent_bob:  do you have any ideal ?
[10:18] <tuanpham> save it ok
[10:18] <tuanpham> but does effaction
[10:18] <tuanpham> i hate the buble message
[10:18] <tuanpham> i disable it
[10:18] <tuanpham> but it still shown when message come :D
[10:18] <tuanpham> gota go
[10:19] <tuanpham> i used kubuntu 7
[10:19] <tuanpham> it's fine
[10:19] <Agent_bob> hmmm ok.  no i can't think of anything else to try on it.
[10:19] <Agent_bob> !bug | tuanpham
[10:19] <tuanpham> can i reinstall the older version ?
[10:19] <tuanpham> yes i think so
[10:19] <Agent_bob> tuanpham yes you can.
[10:19] <tuanpham> how can i do ?
[10:20] <tuanpham> i tried apt-get remove and install
[10:20] <tuanpham> but it still this version of kopete
[10:20] <tuanpham> it has so many problems
[10:20] <tuanpham> webcam not work
[10:21] <tuanpham> user icon does not show ..
[10:21] <Agent_bob> if you have the package cache   "/var/cache/apt/archives/kopete*.deb" you can install it from there.  if not you can download the specific version and install it
[10:21] <rohan> a program i install myself - netbeans - has added a new entry to my kde menu. how can i know where is the .desktop file which has added that entry?
[10:21] <tuanpham> ok let i check
[10:21] <rohan> the entry is "Netbeans" in Menu -> Development
[10:21] <tuanpham> thank anyways :)
[10:21] <Agent_bob> apt-get install --force-downgrade kopete-
[10:22] <Agent_bob> apt-get install --force-downgrade kopete-<version>
[10:23] <Agent_bob> rohan   find ~/ /usr/ -iname *netbeans*.desktop
[10:23] <kwiji> rb
[10:24] <kwiji> i couldnt get irc running with the live cd
[10:24] <rohan> Agent_bob: thanks, i found it in /usr
[10:24] <Agent_bob> usr/share/something/ probably
[10:24] <kwiji> but anyway, i could access my 2 ntfs partitions with the live cd
[10:25] <tuanpham> it have no kopete here Agent_bob
[10:25] <tuanpham> i will try install it again
[10:25] <jo4___> Sorry, but no response in Xubuntu channel or Ubuntu for that matter. My question is if Xubuntu uses gdm or xfwm ? :P
[10:25] <rohan> jo4___: gdm
[10:25] <Agent_bob> !packages | tuanpham check the webpage
[10:25] <jo4___> rohan, ok, ty
[10:27] <tuanpham> thank
[10:27] <Agent_bob> tuanpham reinstalling the same bugged version is not likely to help.   file a bug report.   go to the web page packages.ubuntu.com and find a version that works.  download it and install it.
[10:27] <Jucato> gdm and xfwm are 2 different things :)
[10:28] <Agent_bob> jo4 left.  but xubuntu defaults to xdm + xfwm   iirc
[10:29] <Jucato> I though gdm + xfwm... oh well
[10:30] <Agent_bob> it may be.   i know i had xdm for a while and i thought it was installed by the xubuntu-desktop package...
[10:30] <Jucato> let's see :)
[10:30] <Agent_bob> but thinking something doesn't force it to be so.
[10:32] <Agent_bob> doesn't seem to depend on xdm   or else i still have it installed,  checking that too
[10:32] <Jucato> :)
[10:32] <Agent_bob> nope not installed.
[10:34] <tuanpham> did anyone use virtual box ose ?
[10:34] <rohan> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/222567 ---> can someone please confirm this bug?
[10:35] <tuanpham> i got this
[10:35] <tuanpham> VirtualBox kernel driver not installed. The vboxdrv kernel module was either not loaded or /dev/vboxdrv was not created for some reason. Please install the virtualbox-ose-modules package for your kernel, e.g. virtualbox-ose-modules-generic..
[10:35] <tuanpham> VBox status code: -1908 (VERR_VM_DRIVER_NOT_INSTALLED).
[10:35] <tuanpham> Result Code:
[10:35] <tuanpham> 0x80004005
[10:35] <tuanpham> Component:
[10:35] <tuanpham> Console
[10:35] <tuanpham> Interface:
[10:35] <tuanpham> IConsole {1dea5c4b-0753-4193-b909-22330f64ec45}
[10:35] <tuanpham> when i run virtual machine :(
[10:35] <stdin> !paste
[10:35] <Jucato> !pastebin | tuanpham
[10:36]  * Agent_bob gives the three legged chair a push.
[10:36]  * Jucato falls over
[10:37] <Agent_bob> woops.
[10:37] <tuanpham> sorry
[10:39] <snikker> gtk-qt-engine don't work as root. can you help me?
[10:40] <Agent_bob> snikker you probably wont get help with that in here,  they are anti-root nazis
[10:41] <krypto__> hi! someone can tell me where I can find global font settings?
[10:41] <Jucato> snikker: what do you mean by "deosn't work as root"?
[10:41] <krypto__> so i.e. when I start adept which runs with root rights has the same fonts as in my user account?
[10:41] <stdin> probably that root's kde settings don't say to use qt-curve at the GTK style
[10:42] <taghastien41> HDD locked in the bios is there any solution
[10:42] <stdin> you could just start systemsettings with kdesu and set the style there
[10:42] <snikker> Jucato: for example if i run synaptic (or another gtk app) with sudo or kdesu i don't have kde style. it work as normal user
[10:43] <Agent_bob> krypto__ you could do kdesudo kcontrol    and set the fonts as root
[10:43] <Jucato> snikker: see what stdin said
[10:44] <snikker> Jucato: i've run kcontrol as root, but don't work
[10:44] <Agent_bob> never ever startx as root and setup the kde settings like normal users...   ^
[10:44] <Tm_T> Agent_bob: tsup tsup, you use word "nazi" way too lightly, son
[10:44] <krypto__> thx, I could have think of that by myself.... ;)
[10:45] <Agent_bob> Tm_T ?      look at some of the responces to questions about "root" in the logs and then say that  ;/
[10:45] <snikker> Jucato: same thing with systemsettings...
[10:46] <Jucato> weird
[10:46] <snikker> Jucato: yes... in gutsy it worked fine...
[10:47] <tuanpham> now i get older version Agent_bob
[10:47] <tuanpham> thank
[10:47] <Tm_T> Agent_bob: you still fail, son ;)
[10:47] <Agent_bob> tuanpham welcome.
[10:47] <tuanpham> i used kopete 0.2.7 againt
[10:47] <tuanpham> no
[10:47] <tuanpham> i works
[10:47] <Tm_T> 0.12.7 ?
[10:49] <tuanpham> yep
[10:49] <tuanpham> it use for kde 3
[10:49] <tuanpham> not for kde 4
[10:49] <Tm_T> yes
[10:49] <tuanpham> but it runs ok
[10:49] <Tm_T> it does indeed, though, it might lack some features compared to newer
[10:55] <Agent_bob> yes some of the "features" was what he was trying to "lack"
[11:02] <Agent_bob> 254/256 getting close to done.
[11:15] <kaminix> Meh... something's up with KTorrent. Recently it haven't resumed my downloads when it's supposed to but rewrite them with nothingness, effectively removing them from my harddrive.... paaartyyy
[11:15] <kaminix> 3.5 GB of re-downloading
[11:16] <kaminix> Confirmed, all deleted.
[11:18] <smeril> how can i enter what part i want to download in K torrent after i have done it the first time?
[11:18] <kaminix> Ah, oh... nevermind. This was my mistake. Specified wrong folder. :p
[11:18] <kaminix> smeril: Load the info widget plugin.
[11:19] <kaminix> Then choose 'Files'
[11:20] <smeril> I solved the problem
[11:20] <smeril> thanks anyway
[11:21] <TeslaTony> How do I log an account off from the command line?
[11:22] <emilsedgh> TeslaTony: what kind of account?
[11:23] <ere4si> TeslaTony: log a user off?
[11:26] <TeslaTony> ere4si: Yeah. I have my guest account logged in through a command line only session and I want it logged off
[11:27] <ere4si> TeslaTony: I've never had to do that - anyone know how?
[11:28] <TeslaTony> erm...nevermind...seems the command is "logout"
[11:30] <chi_> hey all, still got some problems while booting "waiting for root file system"... stops with busybox, pls help
[11:38] <ubuntu__> HDD LOCKED WHO HQVE Q SOLUTION
[11:44] <taghast41>  HDD LOCKED WHO HaVE Q SOLUTION
[11:46] <dustrial> hey all, still got some problems while booting "waiting for root file system"... stops with busybox, pls help
[11:46] <Gulars> I'm doing a upgrade on my box, and it's giving me "Errors were encountered while processing: virtualbox-ose QMutex::lock: Deadlock detected in thread -1210718016" what should I do?
[11:48] <Gulars> I'm using the gui dist-upgrade tool... anyone have any help?
[11:48] <SlimeyPete> probably best to remove virtualbox and then try the upgrade again
[11:48] <SlimeyPete> hopefully it hasn't tied itself in a knot
[11:48] <Gulars> hmmm
[11:49] <Gulars> the installer have halted at 99%, should I just kill it?
[11:49] <benishor> Hello there. During a recent upgrade, it seems my partition got locked to read only
[11:49] <benishor> is there anything I can do to fix it ?
[11:49] <Gulars> btw: the terminal-output-thingie should be readonly, no?
[11:50] <Gulars> benishor, first I guess you'll have to remount the partition rw from the command line?
[11:50] <Gulars> and then edit /etc/fstab?
[11:52] <benishor> Gulars : and how would I remount the partition ?
[11:53] <DexterF> hi
[11:54] <DexterF> got a bunch of perl process here that have to to with proFTPd, but it isn't installed: http://pastebin.ca/1001638
[11:54] <Gulars> mount -n -o remount,rw /
[11:54] <DexterF> what's this? where does it come from? why does it take up 95% cpu? never seen it before
[11:55] <benishor> thank you Gulars !
[11:55] <Gulars> np
[12:24] <marcher> ubuntu or kubuntu?
[12:25] <emilsedgh> marcher: sorry?
[12:26] <marcher> i just installed kubuntu..... i had ubuntu installed ...it crashed (im new to linux) and kubuntu seems weird
[12:26] <SlimeyPete> *shrug* use it for a while, and then decide which you like best.
[12:27] <SlimeyPete> there's not much difference between the two really - it's all down to personal taste.
[12:27] <marcher> fair enough!!    i like the layout
[12:28] <marcher> windoze i just had enough off
[12:30] <marchukevich-m> ты вообще есть русские? )
[12:30] <emilsedgh> !ru | marchukevich-m
[12:39] <kaminix> Is Adobe's flash player made for GTK? Is that why it keeps crashing in Konqueror but works in Firefox?
[12:40] <moope1> compiz or beryl?
[12:41] <emilsedgh> kaminix: Flash Player 9 uses something that just exists in Firefox iirc
[12:43] <kaminix> emilsedgh: Any words about if that's going to be fixed in future versions?
[12:43] <emilsedgh> kaminix: i dont know.
[12:43] <kaminix> Hmm... but it does work in Konqueror... only it's quite unstable.
[12:44] <flaccid_> flash player or flash plugin?
[12:45] <kaminix> No idea, nonfree stuff anyway.
[12:46] <giacomo> !it
[12:47] <flaccid_> i don't believe flash player plugin uses either
[12:50] <lovre> anyone tried kubuntu 8.04 with kde4?
[12:51] <flaccid_> yeah
[12:51] <dustrial> lovre:  yeah on my laptop from beta till now
[12:52] <lovre> dustrial: does it have many bugs? I will install 8.04 but dont know between kde3 and kde4
[12:53] <flaccid_> well i feel as though its buggy
[12:54] <tamme> hi
[12:54] <ScorpKing> i just installed 8.04. someone mentioned problems with konsole but i don't see any. anyone know what the problems are?
[12:54] <Dr_willis> kde4  is not all that useable. Too many missing features
[12:55] <SlimeyPete> ScorpKing: I've not noticed any
[12:55] <dustrial> lovre: install kde3 if you are working productive
[12:55] <ScorpKing> SlimeyPete: ok thanks
[12:55] <lovre> dustrial: ok, thank you
[12:58] <krypto__> is there a way to import a pcf file in network-manager to config a vpn connection?
[12:59] <krypto__> it works when I connect with kvpnc but with network manager it doenst work
[13:00] <flaccid_> krypto__, i believe thats what kvpnc is for, not network manager
[13:00] <flaccid_> i could be wrong but. maybe network manager will get vpn support soon
[13:00] <tamme> how can I easily upload files over the internet to my PC?
[13:01] <krypto__> network manager can handle vpn connections as well when you install the network-manager-vpnc package
[13:01] <flaccid_> krypto__, google it. it looks like it might
[13:01] <flaccid_> well there you go
[13:01] <krypto__> yeah but it doesnt work
[13:01] <flaccid_> !doesntwork
[13:01] <Dr_willis> tamme,  dozens of ways.. ssh/scp is one fairly easy/secure way
[13:01] <cpk1> or wget, you didnt say where you were uploading from tamme
[13:02] <flaccid_> krypto__, what type of vpn
[13:02] <krypto__> the error message of network manager is not really helpful: "could no start vpn connection"
[13:02] <tamme> my friend is on a windows computer... and I only want some files
[13:03] <krypto__> flaccid: cisco vpn with vpnc
[13:03] <tamme> and he is not so god on PC things
[13:04] <krypto__> i think I made exactly the same config options on both tools, kvpnc and network manager... kvpnc works, network-manager doesnt
[13:04] <tamme> I tried it with vsftp but every time I want to upload something FireFTP says 553 Could not create file. : /a short story.odt
[13:05] <boaz_> Why does msiexec /i thebat_pro_4_0_24.msi fail to install The Bat! email client under Wine?
[13:05] <Dr_willis> tamme,   this is over the internet? or a lan?
[13:06] <tamme> internet
[13:06] <Dr_willis> tamme,  depending on the size of the files. It may be just easier to use one of those file-share/rapidshare sites.
[13:06] <cpk1> or even email
[13:06] <flaccid_> krypto__, ok then sorry mate. did you check logs?
[13:07] <cpk1> or ssh but I dont know what steps you need to do to get it to work with windows
[13:08] <Dr_willis> and it mayt be a hassle to mess with  any router/firewall/port forwarding stuff
[13:11] <krypto__> nothing helpful in the log files, alot of "waiting and scheduled" till I get a could not connect
[13:12] <Dr_willis> ssh + winscp is handy.
[13:14] <moope1> Best way of getting flash working on hardy is?
[13:18] <Fa> moope1: through the package manager
[13:20] <moope1> Fa, which package?
[13:21] <Fa> adept
[13:21] <moope1> que?
[13:21] <moope1> apt-get install.......
[13:21] <Fa> lol
[13:22] <Fa> i don't use the commline that much
[13:22] <Fa> command
[13:22] <moope1> pulse?
[13:22] <cpk1> moope1: flashplugin-nonfree will get flash up and running
[13:22] <Fa> click on start...applications...settings then package manager
[13:22] <Fa> search flash
[13:23] <moope1> cpk1: ta
[13:23] <Dr_willis> You might want to install 'kubuntu-restricted-extras' also - it grabs a lot of other things you proberly will want as well
[13:24] <moope1> mp3 support and the suchlike?
[13:24] <cpk1> moope1: yes
[13:24] <moope1> excellent
[13:25] <cpk1> although I dunno if that enables dvd playback
[13:32] <moope1> cpk1: Its meant to be my work machine :)
[13:42] <crazy_bus> is there a special way to use a program that uses jack in 8.04.  As I'm not sure how to
[13:43] <flaccid_> crazy_bus, jackd?
[13:44] <crazy_bus> flaccid_: thanks, trying that now
[13:44] <flaccid_> cool
[13:45] <kalib> mornig people
[13:45] <flaccid_> howdy
[13:45] <kalib> Guys...need some help here...
[13:45] <kalib> i can't configure the jre plugin on firefox 3.0 (the default one on kubuntu 8.04)
[13:46] <kalib> could anyone here do it correctly?
[13:46] <crazy_bus> flaccid_: is there anything to do after installing jackd?
[13:48] <flaccid_> crazy_bus, comes down to the program. but usually not
[13:49] <crazy_bus> flaccid  Any idea on qsynth.  It's still not recognising jack
[13:50] <flaccid_> is jack running?
[13:50] <flaccid_> jackd
[13:51] <crazy_bus> flaccid_: what should options should I use on jackd?
[13:52] <crazy_bus> mabey qjackctl will help
[13:53] <flaccid_> err crazy_bus ps aux | grep jackd
[13:53] <flaccid_> is it running?
[13:53] <flaccid_> and if it is and its not working with your app, you need to see what you have to do for jackd
[13:53] <crazy_bus> flaccid_: 14631  0.0  0.0   3008   756 pts/1    R+   22:53   0:00 grep jackd
[13:54] <JuJuBee> What is a *good* substitute for Dreamweaver on linux/
[13:55] <flaccid_> crazy_bus, sudo /etc/init.d/jackd start ?
[13:55] <flaccid_> !info nvu | JuJuBee
[13:55] <flaccid_> oh what a rip
[13:55] <flaccid_> !webauthoring
[13:55] <flaccid_> dang
[13:56] <crazy_bus> !info kompozer | JuJuBee
[13:56] <crazy_bus> JuJuBee: http://kompozer.sourceforge.net/
[13:57] <Jucato> !info kompozer hardy
[13:57] <JuJuBee> kompozer does not do the css hints for elements...
[13:58] <crazy_bus> flaccid_: qjackctl got it working
[13:58] <JuJuBee> I like the hints / auto complete that dreamweaver gives...
[13:58] <flaccid_> fair enough
[13:58] <JuJuBee> Wish they would release for linux...
[13:58] <flaccid_> only problem is DW is not really web standards. best to learn html/css properly
[13:59] <JuJuBee> I agree, but still nice to have the hints.  Saves typing and also lets me know *what* is available.
[14:00] <JuJuBee> I'm just learning css
[14:00] <JuJuBee> So,, why is DW not web standars?
[14:00] <JuJuBee> I thought it was
[14:02] <flaccid_> JuJuBee, better to use a real IDE then like Eclipse
[14:02] <JuJuBee> Hmm, will check it out.
[14:02] <JuJuBee> Linux?
[14:02] <flaccid_> its not valid, to get it right with webstandards you need to tweak. they are improving it but as there is a DW task force with webstandards.org
[14:02] <BonesolTeraDyne> JuJuBee: That's because DW's generated code doesn't always validate to W3C standards
[14:02] <flaccid_> yes linux and windows and whatever else
[14:03] <JuJuBee> Ah, java based...
[14:03] <JuJuBee> Cool.
[14:03] <JuJuBee> Installing now.
[14:04] <flaccid_> i don't think its made in java
[14:04] <JuJuBee> You are correct, it is a Java IDE also, didn't read far enough, my bad.
[14:05] <JuJuBee> How are you at display problems?
[14:05] <llutz> flaccid_: "open-source Integrated development environment (IDE) written primarily in Java. ..." (from wikipedia) :)
[14:05] <flaccid_> cool
[14:06] <flaccid_> im fine at display problems
[14:06] <flaccid_> rightio im wrong then
[14:06] <crazy_bus> JuJuBee: http://www.linux.com/feature/130601
[14:10] <JuJuBee> crazy_bus : looks like quanta plus wins
[14:12] <Pensacola> is there a way to do actions when the mouse touches a screen corner in kde4?
[14:12] <flaccid_> i've tried all those and they seemed alright, but yeah i have no idea what is good i think it comes down to the user and their needs. i only need kate.
[14:14] <JuJuBee> I use kate 99.9% of the time, but I would like to learn CSS and think an editor is helpful
[14:15] <Jucato> then you'd be happy to know that Quanta uses katepart as its text editor component
[14:15] <Jucato> so you get the features of Kate with the features of a Web IDE...
[14:16] <flaccid_> yeah i noticed that,then i noticed that i don't need it :)
[14:16] <flaccid_> ides for basic things like html and css kind of get in the way for me
[14:18] <nosrednaekim> ides kinda got in the way of Julius Ceaser....
[14:18] <frederick> hello all
[14:18] <nosrednaekim> sorry.... couldn't resist :P
[14:18] <frederick> anyone got experienced with linux mce ?
[14:19]  * Jucato whacks nosrednaekim senseless
[14:19] <nosrednaekim> frederick: not really.... there is a channel for that though
[14:19] <giacomo> !it
[14:19] <frederick> all right
[14:19] <frederick> where can i find this channel
[14:19] <Jucato> !linuxmce
[14:19] <frederick> please
[14:19] <Jucato> frederick: see above ^^^
[14:19] <frederick> thanks
[14:19] <frederick> :)
[14:19]  * nosrednaekim can't answer becuase he is senseless
[14:20]  * nosrednaekim makes Jucato do all the work today
[14:20] <Jucato> you wish! :P
[14:20] <flaccid_> haha
[14:20] <flaccid_> i need a beer to help atm i think
[14:21] <crazy_bus> is rosegarden the best program to try with qsynth. Or is there a lighter program I could use?
[14:21] <nosrednaekim> crazy_bus: you might get a better answer in #ubuntu-studio
[14:21] <crazy_bus> nosrednaekim: I did a few minutes ago, but have got no answer yet
[14:22] <Baulders> knetworkworkmanager still not support WPA and static IP's ?
[14:24] <flaccid_> crazy_bus, probably. qsynth is midi vst instrument? perhaps lmms .. ?
[14:24] <flaccid_> Baulders, it does support it yes
[14:25] <flaccid_> as long as the hardware on each end does
[14:25] <Baulders> wheres the file that holds what wifi device you've plugged in (eth1,2,3 etc...) I want to delete them and start again
[14:25] <CYREX> hello all
[14:25] <flaccid_> Baulders, delete all entries in /etc/network/interfaces besides localhost and then sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart and then restart knetworkmanager
[14:25] <moope1> ﻿I had all my virtual machines on a disk which was under LVM (there was only one disk but just in case you know). I have installed ubuntuy and would like to run it from there but how do I mount the disk?
[14:25] <CYREX> if i compile the .25 kernel on kubuntu will the nvidia drivers from the nvidia-new-glx still work afterwards?
[14:26] <nosrednaekim> CYREX: no
[14:26] <flaccid_> moope1, you can mount lvm directly iirc
[14:26] <nosrednaekim> CYREX: learned a bit too much in that session yesterday... eh? :P
[14:26] <moope1> flaccid_: yea, I have seen someone do lvm foo like this
[14:26] <moope1> but ...........I have no idea where to start!
[14:26] <sami> How i can change my linux partition size after install?
[14:26] <moope1> sami: LVM :)
[14:26] <nosrednaekim> sami: boot the liveCD again
[14:26] <flaccid_> moope1, mount /dev/sda1 for example
[14:27] <flaccid_> oops
[14:27] <flaccid_> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/sda1
[14:27] <CYREX> hehe
[14:27] <CYREX> oki thanks
[14:28] <nosrednaekim> CYREX: yeah, you'll have to get the driver from nvidia
[14:28] <nosrednaekim> which, after compiling a whole kernel, should be nothing to you :P
[14:28] <Baulders> I only see WEP when configuring wifi though , no WPA (I'm running WPA but want static IP)
[14:28] <CYREX> only wanted to know if it will work for the .25 version or is it limited only for the .24
[14:28] <moope1> flaccid_: mount: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member'
[14:28] <flaccid_> Baulders, configuring the wifi where?
[14:29] <flaccid_> moope1, we may need a package  or mount differently one sec
[14:29] <flaccid_> moope1, is that the actual dev for the logical part in sudo fdisk -l ?
[14:29] <Baulders> flaccid_: knetworkmanager or through system settings
[14:29] <flaccid_> Baulders, it will definately be in knetworkmanager if the AP supports it
[14:30] <moope1> flaccid yes
[14:30] <Baulders> so you saying I put my WPA key into where it says WEP?
[14:30] <flaccid_> moope1, gotta do it like this iirc mount /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 /mnt/VolGroup00/LogVol00
[14:30] <flaccid_> something like
[14:31] <flaccid_> Baulders, no it looks like it thinks there is no wpa on that access point
[14:31] <flaccid_> Baulders, check iwlist eth1 scanning <-- eth1 being the wireless logical device name
[14:31] <flaccid_> moope1, or that might be on fedora. one sec sorry
[14:32] <nosrednaekim> Baulders: flaccid_: iwlist eth1 scan   ........ not scanning
[14:32] <flaccid_> moope1, google helps: http://www.linux-sxs.org/storage/fedora2ubuntu.html
[14:32] <crazy_bus> flaccid_: thanks.  Still quite big, but I think I'll try it
[14:33] <flaccid_> nosrednaekim, either is fine
[14:33] <nosrednaekim> ah... so it is...my bad
[14:34] <Baulders> flaccid_: http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1rm9.png thats what I see
[14:35] <moope1> flaccid_ are you moving from fedora 2?
[14:35] <flaccid_> Baulders, you do not configure in system settings which is a static system thing. you configure in knetworkmanager which is user based
[14:35] <flaccid_> moope1, no thats just the example
[14:36] <flaccid_> Baulders, if you configure anything 'concrete' in system settings for the interface, you won't be able to configure it in knetworkmanager
[14:36] <nosrednaekim> flaccid_: manual setup is done via systemsettings
[14:36] <flaccid_> nosrednaekim, this is not manual setup, its user wpa
[14:36] <flaccid_> system settings does not support wpa
[14:36] <nosrednaekim> yeah.... but for static IP, you need manual setup
[14:37] <flaccid_> um not necessarily. still system settings doesn't support wpa.
[14:38] <nosrednaekim> thats true, yes
[14:38] <nosrednaekim> Baulders: why do you need static IP? does your router not have dhcp?
[14:39] <Baulders> yes, but have many things and need to now the IP's etc
[14:39] <nosrednaekim> Baulders: most wireless (and otherwise) routers have Mac address to IP configuration tables
[14:39] <nosrednaekim> so that you always get the same IP
[14:39] <flaccid_> yeah static dhcp
[14:40] <nosrednaekim> that would be far simpler
[14:40] <flaccid_> but from memory i believe if you put only the static ip in system settings you should still be able to associate with knetworkmanager
[14:40] <Baulders> my router is pants and I keep needing to reset it and thus all dhcp addresses change again :(
[14:40] <Nakkel> Why do I have to install libarts1-xine-package by hand to get Konqueror to generate thumbnail icons from video files? :( Couldnt it be installed by default?
[14:40] <flaccid_> actually no im wrong there. thats a real caveat i think...
[14:40] <nosrednaekim> flaccid_: yes, it is
[14:40] <flaccid_> Baulders, router model?
[14:40] <flaccid_> nosrednaekim, its a real caveat?
[14:41] <Baulders> flaccid_: Belkin rubbish
[14:41] <flaccid_> oh
[14:41] <flaccid_> jump over the fence then
[14:41] <nosrednaekim> flaccid_: well, if you use system settings to configure it once, you won't be able to configure it with knetworkmanager until you comment out certain lines in /etc/network/interfaces
[14:42] <flaccid_> nosrednaekim, yeah thats the caveat i was talking about. this is where windows wins!
[14:42] <nosrednaekim> :)
[14:43] <flaccid_> its not good. and also if you want to install system wpa, thats a bit more manual and not really documented
[14:43] <flaccid_> but it is possible in /etc/network/interfaces
[14:44] <okv> Has anyone else got this bug after upgrading to 8.04: In Adept when you click "manage repositories" it just fetches updates (same as the "fetch updates" button), so there is no way to manage repositories through Adept anymore?
[14:44] <flaccid_> wow that sounds like a big bug..
[14:44] <nosrednaekim> okv: haven't heard of, or seen that, no.
[14:45] <okv> I'll check if other items in the Adept menu also just fetch updates
[14:45] <okv> Other items in the Adept-menu seem to work as they should, safe-upgrade and full-upgrade, but the first two items in the menu are doing exactly same thing "fetch updates"
[14:46] <okv> Although the second item says "Manage repositories" and should take me into another window where I can manage repositories
[14:46] <amerigo> hello everibody...!!!
[14:46] <amerigo> I need an info
[14:47] <amerigo> where i can find kernel directory
[14:47] <flaccid_> well yes you want manage repositories
[14:47] <Baulders> sorry, i need to use wpasupplicant and alter /etc/network/interfaces then?
[14:47] <flaccid_> kernel what? locate kernel
[14:47] <okv> It's not only a menu problem, I made a toolbar button for "Manage Repositories" and when I click on that button, it also just fetches updates and does nothing else
[14:48] <amerigo> yes... locate server, i suppose
[14:48] <amerigo> Sorry for my english
[14:48] <flaccid_> Baulders, its directives for wpasupp in /etc/network/interfaces i just can't remember what - please try googling
[14:48] <amerigo> ehmm
[14:48] <amerigo> locate kernel
[14:49] <amerigo> ! kernel
[14:50] <flaccid_> Baulders, it could all be in here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WPAHowTo
[14:50] <flaccid_> !find kernel
[14:50] <flaccid_> !find linux-source
[14:50] <flaccid_> what specifically?
[14:51] <amerigo> uhmmm
[14:51] <amerigo> very well
[14:52] <stefan-f> Hello all: )
[14:53] <stefan-f> I did an upgrade to hardy yesterday, now I miss ksynaptic for my touchpad. Its gone during upgrade. Where can I find it now?
[14:54] <nosrednaekim> don't think its here anymore
[14:54] <llutz> stefan-f: better use qsynaptics now
[14:54] <nosrednaekim> use qsynaptics or gsynaptics
[14:54] <flaccid_> !find synaptic
[14:54] <flaccid_> !info ksynaptics
[14:55] <flaccid_> ubotu still uses gutsy?
[14:55] <nosrednaekim> !info ksynaptics hardy
[14:55] <blubb> anyone has an idea why my b43 driver does not work correctly?
[14:55] <nosrednaekim> yeah... apparently
[14:55] <llutz> ksynaptics dev stopeed work, better use something else
[14:55] <okv> I have huge list of packages in the apt-get saying "the following packages have been kept back", is there any way to make apt-get install those?
[14:55] <stefan-f> hmm, I can not find qsynaptics, gsynaptics is there but when I close it, its closed and not in tray
[14:56] <mars__> hi all
[14:57] <CYREX> okv for some reason the apt wont still them
[14:57] <CYREX> you COULD force them but that may lead to a broken package
[14:57] <CYREX> install*
[14:57] <amerigo> It's better that i explane my problem..... I'm going to install USB Modem on Kubuntu. In the makefile there's a string that set the variable KERNELDIR
[14:58] <jhutchins_wk> okv: Perhaps better to figure out _why_ they have been kept back and address that.
[14:58] <amerigo> KERNEL_SOURCES=/usr/src/linux
[14:58] <nosrednaekim> amerigo: did you run "sudo apt-get install build-essential" yet?
[14:58] <amerigo> I had to cange this in the root of my kernel
[14:58] <flaccid_> okv, try sudo apt-get install pkg1 pkg2 <-- substitue with the ones held back
[14:59] <amerigo> but i don't know where it is
[14:59] <amerigo> when i go in usr>>src>>    .... I can't find linux
[14:59] <amerigo> folder
[15:00] <amerigo> Ok I'm explaned
[15:00] <amerigo> I hope
[15:01] <amerigo> nosrednaekim: Already done "sudo apt-get install build-essential"
[15:01] <flaccid_> amerigo, sudo apt-get install linux-source`uname -r`
[15:01] <flaccid_> brb amerigo if you are on generic that probably won't work
[15:01] <okv> flaccid_: There's like 100 packages there
[15:01] <okv> flaccid_: one of them is adept-manage,that might be the reason why my adept doesn't work as it should
[15:02] <jhutchins_wk> okv: Perhaps it would be helpful to google the error message?
[15:03] <okv> flaccid_: Installing them manually like you said seems to work. I just typed sudo apt-get install adept-manager and now it's installing it and all the dependencies. I'll do that to all the other 99 packages as well
[15:03] <okv> jhutchins_wk: I've googled it, didn't find any good explanation
[15:03] <flaccid_> okv, yeah normal process
[15:04] <flaccid_> !info linux-source
[15:04] <flaccid_> amerigo, which release and kernel are you on?
[15:05] <mefisto__> before upgrade to hardy I was using a patched ati driver, following instructions at http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Tvout and was working well. Just wondering will this driver work in hardy? Do I have to build the driver again, or can I just skip to the install stage?
[15:05] <amerigo> flaccid: i am on kubuntu
[15:06] <flaccid_> amerigo, please paste uname -a
[15:06] <amerigo> flaccid: what means 'uname -r' ????
[15:06] <amerigo> or what is uname??
[15:07] <CYREX> kernel release number
[15:07] <CYREX> type uname --help for more info
[15:07] <amerigo> excellent
[15:09] <okv> flaccid_: Doesn't work in the end. It installs packages, sets them up and suddenly I get message "ldconfig deferred processing now taking place" and it hangs there
[15:09] <okv> flaccid_: Googling for it
[15:10] <amerigo> Linux kubuntu 2.6.15-51-386 #1 PREEMPT Tue Feb 12 16:52:52 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[15:10] <flaccid_> okv, that is a normal message, you have to wait
[15:10] <flaccid_> amerigo, now  apt-cache search linux-source please
[15:11] <amerigo> linux-source - Linux kernel source with Ubuntu patches
[15:11] <amerigo> linux-source-2.6.15 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.15 with Ubuntu patches
[15:12] <flaccid_> amerigo, i guess thats a meta package. can you let me know the result of sudo apt-get install linux-source
[15:13] <flaccid_> if that doesn't work then sudo apt-get install linux-source-2.6.15 will work
[15:13] <amerigo> ..........It try to install linux-source-2.6.15
[15:14] <flaccid_> sweet
[15:14] <amerigo> ok ... installing
[15:14] <flaccid_> well thats what you want..
[15:14] <flaccid_> if thats not enough, you may need the headers as well amerigo
[15:15] <amerigo> But this is an upgrading ?????
[15:15] <amerigo> I thought that I already have kernel installed....
[15:15] <flaccid_> no this is install the source code that you need for what you are doing
[15:16] <flaccid_> linux-source = kernel source != kernel itself
[15:17] <amerigo> My need was only to know in what directory was the kernel...
[15:17] <amerigo> KERNEL_SOURCES=/usr/src/linux
[15:17] <amerigo> only change this string
[15:17] <flaccid_> like i said kernel != kernel sources
[15:17] <flaccid_> so you are wrong with you think you needed
[15:17] <ubuntu-dron> Hello there. Some help needed. When upgading from 7.10 to 8.04, upgraded NetworkManager does not work. It seems to ignore /etc/network/interfaces, and to blank it once per... 15 minutes or so i guess . Tried clean install, but that wasn't of any effect. The trouble stays the same. Googled a lot, but didn't find anything interesting. Can anyone help me here?
[15:18] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu-dron: do you have wireless?
[15:19] <ubuntu-dron> nosrednaekim: yes
[15:19] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu-dron: ah.. ok... otherwise I was going to say to scrap network manager :)
[15:19] <ubuntu-dron> nosrednaekim: but wired net also seems broken :(
[15:19] <nosrednaekim> I've never seen that though. could you file a bug please?
[15:19] <flaccid_> did you check logs dron?
[15:20] <nosrednaekim> ah.. true... dmesg might be helpful
[15:20] <flaccid_> cat /var/log/messages
[15:21] <ubuntu-dron> NOthing helpful
[15:21] <flaccid_> dron does your connection require security like wep or wpa?
[15:21] <ubuntu-dron> Yet, will file a bug, and then we'll se the results... Maybe it is the bug of a NM itself?
[15:21] <ubuntu-dron> flaccid_
[15:22] <ubuntu-dron> requires wep hex
[15:22] <flaccid_> dron then remove any entries for that device from /etc/network/interfaces and use knetworkmanager
[15:22] <flaccid_> i don't see a bug yet
[15:23] <okv> I think the problem was that my upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04 was not complete, and lots of the packages were "kept back" by apt-get
[15:23] <flaccid_> okv, yeah
[15:23] <ubuntu-dron> flaccid_: I tried. But it simply won't connect to network. Even when it is unprotected
[15:24] <ubuntu-dron> flaccid_: the wireless card is Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG
[15:24] <mefisto__> Need advice building ati video driver. Before upgrade to hardy I was using a patched ati driver, following instructions at http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Tvout and was working well. Just wondering will this driver work in hardy? Do I have to build the patched driver again, or can I just skip to the install stage?
[15:24] <flaccid_> ubuntu-dron, at that point was anything in your /etc/network/interfaces besides localhost?
[15:24] <ubuntu-dron> flaccid_: no
[15:25] <flaccid_> perhaps it is a bug
[15:25] <flaccid_> what does knetworkmanager get up to then?
[15:25] <ubuntu-dron> flaccid_: even when tried to define the interfaces there, it was blanked in 15-20 minutes or so
[15:26] <flaccid_> i don't know what blanked means
[15:26] <ubuntu-dron> flaccid_: pardon me. it was restored to the previous state. Like it was never edited
[15:27] <ubuntu-dron> flaccid_: *had been.
[15:27] <flaccid_> ah ok
[15:27] <flaccid_> even though you confirmed it was saved?
[15:28] <steelsnake> silly question... did you edit it by hand while network manager was running? or from within network manager? or any other way?
[15:28] <ubuntu-dron> flaccid_: exactly
[15:28] <steelsnake> oke that was 3 questions ;)
[15:28] <flaccid_> sounds like a bug now, but dron i would also recommend removing avahi / avahi-daemon <-- much problems like that i have experienced
[15:28] <ubuntu-dron> steelsnake: NM stopped, then the file edited
[15:29] <steelsnake> ah oke. no idea what causes that then, sorry
[15:29] <ubuntu-dron> flaccid_: really? 0_o everything works just fine on gutsy...
[15:30] <flaccid_> thats what everyone says
[15:30] <flaccid_> in reality there is problems with every release
[15:31] <ubuntu-dron> flaccid_: yes indeed :)
[15:31] <icewaterman> i have both windows and linux installed on one box (on different harddrives) and the clock in windows xp runs 2 hours behind
[15:32] <ubuntu-dron> allright, thanks to all. will fo report a bug perhaps
[15:33] <steelsnake> sounds like timezones might be off, icewaterman
[15:33] <flaccid_> icewaterman, if its not different timezone then it could be UTC, turn it off in linux
[15:34] <flaccid_> actually sorry turn off utc in bios for clock
[15:34] <steelsnake> ...or that... i'd have suggested to tell windows to use UTC :)
[15:34] <flaccid_> yeah sorry my memory is bad its something like that
[15:34] <icewaterman> steelsnake: i found something how to teach windows to use utc
[15:34] <icewaterman> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\TimeZoneInformation] "RealTimeIsUniversal"=dword:00000001
[15:34] <flaccid_> cppl
[15:34] <flaccid_> cool
[15:35] <steelsnake> yeh i know... i set all my windows boxes to use UTC, much more convenient IMO.
[15:35] <Freku> after upgrade i got both kde3 and kde4 applications in menu
[15:35] <Freku> how to get rid of kde 3 ?
[15:36] <flaccid_> Freku, if someone doesn't know hear perhaps #kde or #ubuntu-kde4
[15:36] <Freku> ah ok
[15:36] <Freku> ill try that
[15:36] <blubb> in which package is the ndiswrapper module?
[15:37] <flaccid_> !info ndiswrapper
[15:37] <flaccid_> !ndiswrapper | blubb
[15:37] <flaccid_> sorry i'll have a look
[15:38] <stdin> it's in linux-ubuntu-modules-$(uname -r)
[15:38] <flaccid_> !info ndiswrapper-common
[15:38] <flaccid_> true
[15:38] <reginatto> the traditional way to add jre plugin at mozilla firefox 3 and 2 (creating a simbolic link to the plugin), doesn't work in my kubuntu/kde4. Does anyone know how to do it?
[15:39] <blubb> flaccid_: i guess that does not answer my question
[15:40] <stdin> blubb: look at my answer then
[15:40] <blubb> oh thanks a lot
[15:40] <flaccid_> ah yeah stdin is the man
[15:40] <flaccid_> im way behind..
[15:40] <stdin> dpkg -S  ftw
[15:42] <blubb> stdin: but if I don't know where the modules was... gg
[15:42] <blubb> thanks it worked
[15:42] <stdin> blubb: I did "dpkg -S ndiswrapper.ko"
[15:43] <stdin> you can search on packages.ubuntu.com too
[15:43] <flaccid_> like /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/ubuntu/misc/ndiswrapper ?
[15:43] <flaccid_> ah ok
[15:44] <flaccid_> stdin, what you running for your desktop atm?
[15:44] <stdin> Hardy/KDE4
[15:45] <flaccid_> sweet as. what sort of GPU ?
[15:45] <blubb> ok
[15:46] <stdin> flaccid: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller
[15:46] <stdin> does what I need it to ;)
[15:47] <stdin> and I don't need special restricted drivers from hell
[15:47] <flaccid_> coolio. im just a bit worried about people having crashes on logout with the prop. drivers for nvidia and ati
[15:47] <flaccid_> on the hardy
[15:47] <flaccid_> i got it myself
[15:47] <steelsnake> i've had that with Gutsy too, haven't tried on hardy yet
[15:47] <stdin> I can't test it, I don't have a system with either :p
[15:47] <flaccid_> yeah its a bit common in the last couple releases
[15:47] <steelsnake> funny though not crashing at work, just at home
[15:48] <flaccid_> i've had it on new and old cards. its a pity not much luck on the ubuntu installs lately
[15:48] <steelsnake> at work its 4x nvidia 5500's, at home an ATI x1650
[15:49] <attila__> anybody knows how to fix a blank screen startup?
[15:49] <flaccid_> ati 9600 radeon mobility m30 on my notebook is what is a pita for me
[15:49] <steelsnake> works with the default driver (forgot what that one is - VESA?)
[15:49] <flaccid_> attila__, press ctrl+alt+f2, do you get a tty login?
[15:49] <flaccid_> i need restricted driver for playing wolf et
[15:49] <steelsnake> and what graphics card, attila? :)
[15:49] <steelsnake> yep same here flaccid
[15:50] <flaccid_> i will be testing hardy with a new nvidia 9600GT soon which is a very fat card
[15:50] <attila__> Intel 845
[15:51] <steelsnake> i'll probably build a gaming rig this fall... but i'll put windows on it, makes more sense for playing games. Linux for work, windows for toys ;)
[15:52] <steelsnake> hmm that's a lappy, attila?
[15:52] <attila__> no, older rebuilt tower
[15:52] <flaccid_> !intel
[15:52] <flaccid_> !video
[15:53] <steelsnake> ah oke
[15:53] <flaccid_> sorry i look
[15:53] <steelsnake> i'd just disable the boot splash and boot in text mode - X does come up ok though, right?
[15:54] <steelsnake> just no boot splash?
[15:54] <attila__> correct
[15:54] <flaccid_> !intelfix
[15:54] <Pici> !intelhda
[15:54] <flaccid_> did you get a tty attila__ ?
[15:55] <steelsnake> if you don't mind not having a graphical splash screen, disable it in /boot/grub/menu.lst (change splash to nosplash)
[15:55] <flaccid_> attila__, you might need to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto#head-0e3051713171cb5d1bf49dc2dc7bea24eb9ed83e
[15:55] <stefan-f> this is OT: someone knows how can I get cpuinfo, raminfo hddinfo on AIX 4.3? Or where I can get some more information about AIX?
[15:55] <attila__> tty? (sorry, newb)
[15:55] <flaccid_> attila__, login when you press ctrl+alt+f2
[15:56] <stefan-f> and how to get some information about the system?
[15:56] <jhutchins_wk> stefan-f: You can purchase support from IBM.
[15:56] <stefan-f> :(
[15:56] <flaccid_> !google
[15:56] <jhutchins_wk> stefan-f: Actually, there should be plenty of AIX info on the web.
[15:57] <flavia> hi, how do I get a kodak easyshare camera to work?
[15:57] <stefan-f> do you have some good links?
[15:57] <Pici> stefan-f: Perhaps try asking in ##unix and maybe ##linux too
[15:57] <stefan-f> ahh,okay! thanks!!
[15:57] <flaccid_> flavia, did you try google?
[15:58] <flaccid_> flavia, check support in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaDigitalCamerasKodak?highlight=%28kodak%29
[15:58] <CoCaInE> Umm any way to fix sound problem after 7,10 - 8,04 patch ? :>
[15:58] <steelsnake> flavia: checked digiKam? if it has your camera model in it?
[16:00] <MintLars> Hi, I've got trouble starting zeroconf in systemsettings. When checking the "enable zeroconf"-checkbox, I get this error in the terminal when clicking apply: "/usr/share/avahi/enable_avahi: command not found". Anyone know what to do?
[16:00] <doobiesnaks> test
[16:00] <doobiesnaks> werd
[16:00] <doobiesnaks> peeps
[16:00] <MintLars> ...and yes, I've tried google
[16:00] <doobiesnaks> whatcha looking for
[16:01] <flaccid_> MintLars, which version of ubuntu?
[16:02] <MintLars> 8.04, recently upgraded
[16:02] <jo4> can i use the 8.04 LTS alternate install cd for a network install?
[16:03] <sypher_time> yes you can!
[16:03] <jo4> ok
[16:03] <jo4> sweet
[16:03] <flaccid_> MintLars, does sudo dpkg -l | grep avahi-daemon return a pkg ?
[16:04] <MintLars> flaccid_: gives this: ii  avahi-daemon                               0.6.22-2ubuntu4                                    Avahi mDNS/DNS-SD daemon
[16:04] <flavia> stefan-f: steelsnake: it's a kodak easyshare c743. it is present in digikam but I can't connect to it... I'm wondering if my cable is maybe broken
[16:04] <dustrial> help, while installing alsa ... make fails!
[16:05] <flaccid_> MintLars, this file doesn't exist in hardy
[16:05] <ubuntu> hello
[16:06] <ubuntu> i'm french
[16:06] <MintLars> flaccid_: well, I'm running hardy for sure
[16:06] <MintLars> upgraded two days ago
[16:06] <flaccid_> yeah im looking , seems like its in gutsy
[16:06] <ubuntu> Can you give me the french #kubuntu ?
[16:06] <flaccid_> !fr | ubuntu
[16:07] <ubuntu> thank you
[16:07] <flaccid_> let me see if i can pastebin it
[16:07] <MintLars> flaccid_: I also found this in launchpad, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/avahi/+bug/146807, but I have no idea how to include the script
[16:08] <flaccid_> is somebody on gutsy here? can you please pastebin /usr/share/avahi/enable_avahi
[16:08] <flaccid_> if its ascii
[16:09] <flaccid_> im not sure what you mean
[16:10] <MintLars> flaccid_: the bug is exactly the same problem I have, and there's a fix in the comments, but I don't know what to do with it
[16:10] <flaccid_> try sudo touch /usr/share/avahi/enable_avahi
[16:11] <flaccid_> someone on gutsy just needs to pastebin the file for you
[16:11] <flaccid_> im on windows atm so can't even open the pkg
[16:11] <MintLars> ok
[16:12] <MintLars> should I get an output with that command, 'cause I don't
[16:12] <flaccid_> nah its blank for now
[16:12] <flaccid_> so http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/avahi-daemon
[16:12] <flaccid_> download the .deb and then open it and then looko at the script and copy it
[16:13] <MintLars> looko?
[16:13] <flaccid_> look
[16:13] <MintLars> :)
[16:13] <flaccid_> sorry
[16:13] <ct529> hi there
[16:13] <ct529> I did apt-get update / apt-get upgrade
[16:13] <ct529> and i got the message
[16:14] <ct529> The following packages have been kept back:
[16:14] <ct529>   r-base r-base-core r-base-dev r-cran-rpart r-recommended
[16:14] <flaccid_> submit a bug after MintLars ..
[16:14] <ct529> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 5 not upgraded.
[16:14] <ct529> what does that mean?
[16:14] <ct529> never happened before ....
[16:14] <giacomo> !it
[16:14] <flaccid_> ct529, try sudo apt-get install r-base r-base-core r-base-dev r-cran-rpart r-recommended
[16:14] <flaccid_> !pastebin | ct529
[16:14] <MintLars> flaccid_: thanks, I'll see what I can do, but I'm kind of a n00b so I'm not sure it'll work
[16:15] <ct529> flaccid_: sorry, I thought 3 linbes was not considered a large text, that is why I did not use pastebin
[16:15] <flaccid_> i count 8 in total ct529
[16:16] <flaccid_> MintLars, it should just be a text script
[16:16] <flaccid_> so you can open with kdesudo kate
[16:17] <ct529> flaccid_: sorry, why 8????
[16:17] <ct529> flaccid_: I only posted 3 together ....
[16:17] <MintLars> like I said, I'll see if I can do this, but I have SOME confidence at least :)
[16:17] <flaccid_> you could also count !ether ct529
[16:17] <flaccid_> !enter
[16:18] <flaccid_> MintLars, should be able to open it in kde after download then find the file in it. the .deb is like an archive
[16:19] <ct529> flaccid_: what does !enter mean?
[16:19] <flaccid_> just try to put everything on 1 line
[16:19] <ct529> !enter
[16:19] <flaccid_> eg. hi there  I did apt-get update / apt-get upgrade  and i got the message: <pastebin link>
[16:20] <ct529> flaccid_: ok
[16:21] <noobuntu> been trying to install oracle 11g using a specific oracle install account but it keeps failing as i can't seem to run any xserver apps using that account; i keep getting "Error: Can’t open display". any ideas?
[16:24] <tgreer> Hi... I have 2 questions....1) how can I make a key (115) act as my right mousebutton? or even better right mouse button = key + mouse click
[16:24] <tgreer> 2) anyone good with wpa_supplicant?
[16:24] <flaccid_> im off
[16:25] <yao_ziyuan> can anyone send me kubuntu 8.04's default taskbar background image?
[16:25] <yao_ziyuan> to my mailbox: yaoziyuan@gmail.com
[16:26] <ct529> does anyone remeber the orginal ubuntu background, when ubuntu was launched? I cannot find it anymore .... do you know where it is?
[16:26] <patch> I am having some trouble getting 3D to work on a compaq presario v6000 with a Geforce GO 6150
[16:26] <patch> the restricted drives just lock up my X session
[16:27] <yao_ziyuan> can anyone send your /usr/share/apps/kicker/wallpapers/kubuntu-panel.png to yaoziyuan@gmail.com?
[16:28] <yao_ziyuan> i wonder what is linux's file bitwise comparison command?
[16:28] <yao_ziyuan> in windows it's "FC /B"
[16:28] <okv> Has anyone got flashplugin to work with the latest opera on 8.04?
[16:29] <llutz> yao_ziyuan: "cmp" compares byte by byte
[16:31] <wesley> where can i find the exsting kernel ?
[16:33] <shtumf> Hi,
[16:33] <trappist> wesley: what exactly are you looking for, the kernel image file?
[16:33] <trappist> and by existing do you mean running?
[16:33] <noobuntu> Anyone familiar with installing oracle 11g on kubuntu?
[16:33] <wesley> uh no wanna add a patch
[16:34] <trappist> wesley: you need the kernel source then, so you can compile it....
[16:35] <trappist> I don't have the link handy, and the bot is MIA, but there's a kernel compile howto on the wiki
[16:35] <wesley>  i can not add a line ?
[16:35] <wesley> where that how to? i have a other but maby the one you name is better
[16:35] <trappist> wesley: if you have a patch, you have to patch the kernel *source code*.  Then compile the kernel and install.
[16:36] <trappist> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[16:36] <wesley> thats ( i did on mandriva kernel compiling and after i was trying to mess things up i had cpufreq
[16:36] <trappist> wesley: this is not for beginners.  if you've never compiled software before, you could have a hard time
[16:37] <wesley> trappist i not a beginnere anymore i am learning i piece by piece if it goes wring i start afain
[16:38] <trappist> wesley: good deal :)  building your own kernel isn't usually recommended with ubuntu, but it's a good learning experience
[16:39] <rjune_> I recently upgraded from gutsy to hardy, during the upgrade, ALT-F2 stopped working. it's still configured in KDE, but the keystroke seems to not be recognized. any suggestions?
[16:40] <wesley> trappist i know but you cant always depend on others
[16:41] <trappist> true
[16:41] <trappist> rjune_: are you running compiz?
[16:41] <wesley> if ubuntu does not add the patch then you dont have much choice or you wait or do it yourself
[16:41] <trappist> wesley: what's the patch for?
[16:41] <rjune_> trappist: don't think so
[16:42] <rjune_> nope
[16:42] <wesley> trappist its enable cpufreq for celerons
[16:42] <rjune_> I'm thinking the run widget got moved to a separate package which hasn't been updated
[16:42] <trappist> rjune_: is kded running?
[16:42] <rjune_> yup
[16:43] <tgreer> how do i emulate a right click using a key on the keyboard in KDE?
[16:43] <trappist> wesley: what celeron do you have?
[16:43] <ubuntu_> scuse me
[16:44] <wesley> trappist celeron 540
[16:44] <ubuntu_> can you giva me the french #kubuntu again ?
[16:45] <trappist> wesley: I don't have a celeron, but the google hits suggest it should work without patching
[16:45] <trappist> ubuntu_: #kubuntu-fr
[16:45] <wesley> trappist no its reported as a bug
[16:45] <trappist> ah
[16:45] <wesley> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/177646
[16:46] <wesley> and there a patch released
[16:46] <moope1> If I wanted to have openoffice 2.4 and 3 on my heron what would be the best way of doing that?
[16:46] <moope1> chroot?
[16:46] <mortalpendrive> holllaaaaaa
[16:46] <rjune_> trappist: any other ideas?
[16:47] <mortalpendrive> hello
[16:47] <shtumf> does anyone know where in Europe could I buy stuff like caps,cups,t-shirts,etc ? Kubuntu inspired ofcourse ?
[16:47] <trappist> wesley: yep, I see, thanks
[16:47] <mortalpendrive> i need help width converts mdb to odb
[16:48] <trappist> rjune_: I've never seen this one before, those were my only guesses
[16:48] <trappist> mortalpendrive: mdb like an access database file?
[16:48] <wesley> and the patch works
[16:48] <tales_2010> is there a way to disable that menu that appears around an icon when you put the curson over it?
[16:49] <mortalpendrive> yes , data and reports
[16:49] <trappist> mortalpendrive: I'm not aware of any linux tools for managing access databases
[16:50] <trappist> mortalpendrive: I take that back, try installing mdbtools and mdbtools-gmdb
[16:51] <mortalpendrive> ohhh thanks you !!!!
[16:51] <stdin> wesley: I suggest you read what Matthew Garrett says, he knows a lot more about the kernel than most
[16:53] <yao_ziyuan> I SIMPLY WORSHIP KUBUNTU 7.10'S DEFAULT STYLE AND KWIN!
[16:53] <stdin> !caps
[16:53] <trappist> oh there's the bot
[16:54] <wesley> stdin he says it does not lower the powe usage ?
[16:55] <stdin> wesley: it only throttles it rather than scales it, so it's a heat control measure rather than a power control one
[16:56] <stdin> CPU still runs at full power, just runs slower
[16:56] <wesley> so it does not save realy much energy more that what he says?
[16:56] <stdin> the only way it saves energy is by the fan not turning on as much I guess
[16:57] <wesley> i gues it doest hurt to try it but indeed i dont believe it saves much energy
[16:58] <wesley> but the intel celeron 540 should have power saving options
[16:58] <stdin> celerons are cheep for a reason ;)
[17:00] <wesley> stdin but under windows i could save energy by setting cpufreq low so this should also be able in linux
[17:01]  * lombra esta fora: Saindo por enquanto.
[17:01] <stdin> wesley: it's the same in windows, it just says it's scaling but it's throttling
[17:02] <wesley> but its saves energy?
[17:03] <stdin> wesley: it really depends on exactly what you do with your system. the best way to find out is to see how long your battery lasts with the CPU not throttled and how long when it is
[17:03] <amerigo> ! games
[17:03] <amerigo> somebody can define this:
[17:03] <amerigo> Set the variable KERNELDIR in the Makefile's
[17:03] <amerigo> to point to your kernel sources if the first option in chosen.
[17:04] <amerigo> how can i define this point??
[17:04] <wesley> yeah i know but guidance-manager says 1.50 min doest mean this is right ?
[17:05] <stdin> estimates aren't always right (in fact mine are almost always wrong)
[17:06] <ubuntu__> sorry it's me...
[17:06] <amerigo> any ideas?
[17:06] <wesley> do you think it under restimates how long you battery last ?
[17:06] <ubuntu__> can you give me the french #kubuntu again again
[17:06] <stdin> !fr
[17:06] <ubuntu__> ok
[17:06] <stdin> wesley: sometimes, and sometimes it says I have 10 mins when I have 5
[17:06] <ubuntu__> !fr
[17:10] <wesley> where do i find the ubuntu kernel source that i download with apt-get??
[17:11] <emilsedgh> wesley: probably launchpad.net
[17:11] <stdin> "sudo apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r)" to get the version you have now
[17:11] <stdin> erm, no sudo there actually
[17:11] <stdin> there is a package called "linux-source" too i think
[17:11] <wesley> yeah i installed that but i need to get by the kernel
[17:12] <wesley> i need to apply the patch
[17:13] <Robert125> How do I ignore the enter- and exit- messages with Kopete?
[17:13] <stdin> the source is located in /usr/src
[17:13] <emilsedgh> Robert125: you could change it from your Accounts settings
[17:13] <stdin> !kernel | wesley, you'll have to recompile the kernel after you patch it
[17:14] <wesley> i know got to how to one old debian way and other from ubuntu
[17:17] <hdevalence> After upgrading to Hardy, knetworkmanager no longer sees any of my network interfaces
[17:19] <hugodidier_> HOLA
[17:20] <hdevalence> and I could configure the network manually using iwconfig, but I don't want to because then KNetworkManager doesn't work
[17:22] <nguyed> it's a wireless connection?  Because I connect to my router wirelessly, and when I install kubuntu for the first time, it often says that I don't have a network device...
[17:23] <hdevalence> nguyed: it doesn't see either eired or wireless
[17:23] <hdevalence> wired
[17:23] <hdevalence> right now I'm using a wire and sudo dhclient
[17:24] <hdevalence> maybe I'll try rebooting
[17:29] <Devourer> So... my sound still doesn't work.
[17:33] <wesley> does celeron not have acpi-cpufreq?
[17:33] <genii> wesley: As I understand the celerons have fixed ratios so the scaling is lmited
[17:33] <stdin> wesley: because it's a lower quality CPU
[17:34] <genii> stdin: Hiya
[17:34]  * stdin waves coffee at genii 
[17:34] <stdin> s/coffee// ;)
[17:34] <wesley> yeah i understand but they are also not what you call bad
[17:34]  * genii sips on the coffee
[17:35] <genii> stdin: Thanks, as usual :)
[17:35] <stdin> celerons are simply have less code, so can do less
[17:35] <wesley> you can not put new cpu in a notebook?
[17:35] <Devourer> stdin, s/coffee //   <- Fix'd
[17:36] <stdin> if you were really a sed-head, you'd have used \s :p
[17:36] <genii> wesley: Not usually
[17:36] <Devourer> stdin, what does \s do?
[17:36] <stdin> it means space
[17:37] <Devourer> stdin, oh.
[17:37] <wesley> genii i though this already but then again celerons a good enough ( bet my notebook just ships with cheap battery )
[17:37] <stdin> echo " coffee "|sed 's/\s//g' -> "coffee"
[17:37] <Devourer> stdin, I don't  know regex... :'(
[17:37] <stdin> Devourer: no one does
[17:38] <Devourer> Lool
[17:38] <dwidmann> stdin, you really think so?
[17:38] <Devourer> stdin, what is sed?
[17:38] <genii> wesley: The time remaining that is usually indicated on power manager is not normally very accurate also. It of course depends much on how many usb things you have plugged, etc etc
[17:38] <dwidmann> Devourer: sed is a stream editor
[17:38] <stdin> Devourer: stream editor for filtering and transforming text
[17:39] <stdin> dwidmann: depends which standard of regex are you on about
[17:39] <Devourer> I have some real questions, why in KDE4 do I see my applications on all the desktops when it says they are only on one?
[17:40] <x-X-x> im trying to install wine 9.45 so i can have warcraft 3 hosting support but the .deb says i need package libldap2, and libldap2 is obsolete and has been replaced what do i do ?
[17:40] <dwidmann> Devourer: probably a bug, KDE4 has lots of bugs.
[17:40] <wesley> genii in windows my battery lasted for 3 hours this is normal  i gues ?
[17:40] <stdin> x-X-x: libldap2 exists here
[17:40] <x-X-x> huh?
[17:40] <x-X-x> repo says its obsolete
[17:41] <Devourer> dwidmann, would you recommend I go back to KDE 3.5 if I don't want to deal with strange bugs?
[17:41] <genii> wesley: 2.5-4 hours is normal, depending on different factors like screen brightness, external devices being powered by the laptop, etc
[17:41] <dwidmann> wesley: might be normal, but it's not great ... I get about 6 or so with my laptop
[17:41] <x-X-x> and i have a new version installed of whatever replaces it but the wine9.45.deb says " error: dependancy libldap2 not installed "
[17:41] <dwidmann> Devourer: yeah, but if you don't mind filing bug reports then I'd say stay with KDE4
[17:42] <wesley> dwidmann bet you got at expensive laptop ?
[17:42] <stdin> x-X-x: ah yeah, it exists (is installed), but it's not in the repos
[17:42] <dwidmann> wesley: not really
[17:42] <wesley> what then ?
[17:42] <dwidmann> wesley: well, expensive is relative
[17:42] <dwidmann> wesley: $1350
[17:42] <genii> dwidmann: 1 external USB drive powered by the bus will suck an hour off the time easy
[17:42] <Devourer> dwidmann, meh...
[17:43] <wesley> dwidmann you see its the double my notebook cost 500 euro
[17:43] <stdin> x-X-x: you can use "--ignore-depends" with dpkg if you're sure you have all the deps
[17:43] <dwidmann> wesley: that's seriously not double
[17:43] <wesley> euro,s are more worth then dollar
[17:43] <x-X-x> stdin: .deb says this " package: wine Status: Error: Dependancy is not satisfiable: libldap2" btw this .deb is for feisty 7.04 and i have ubuntu hardy installed
[17:44] <stdin> x-X-x: that's the reason then ;)
[17:44] <dwidmann> wesley: 500 euro = 780 USD
[17:45] <x-X-x> stdin u use wine ?
[17:45] <wesley> okay almost the double then
[17:45] <stdin> x-X-x: only when I need to, and I hardy ever need to
[17:45] <x-X-x> k
[17:45] <wesley> i got just cheap acer but with 2 gb memory
[17:46] <dwidmann> wesley: I was just smart about which components I picked ...... core 2 duo processor was a must for battery life, any of them would have done nicely, 5400rpm hdd, 9 cell Li-I battery .... and when running on battery I let CPU scaling kick in and turn the screen brightness down a bit
[17:47] <XyQrTw> Hello All
[17:48] <XyQrTw> (Excuse me but i'm french) I've some problems with my printer on Kubuntu, i dont find the driver ... who can help me ?
[17:49] <dwidmann> wesley: and to add a bit, I went with intel integrated graphics and wireless ..... that should keep power down a bit too
[17:49] <wesley> dwidmann me to should ive picked the dual core then i probly would had problens with the nvidia or ati card in it
[17:50] <wesley> i got vga from intel to
[17:50] <x-X-x> so libldap2 went obsolete when hardy went final ?
[17:50] <x-X-x> stdin*
[17:50] <dwidmann> I wish I knew what was up with printers in Kubuntu hardy :(
[17:50] <genii> XyQrTw: Looking your printer model up on here can be useful to know what driver it may use, or if it even works well with linux at all http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi
[17:51] <dwidmann> Printing worked fine in Gutsy ... but I can't get it to work at all in hardy :(
[17:52] <stdin> x-X-x: it never made it into hardy at all afaik
[17:53] <stdin> x-X-x: maybe the early alphas
[17:53] <XyQrTw> genii: It say i must use HPLIP, this program is for local printing ?
[17:54] <genii> XyQrTw: Yes, for local or remote. Specifically to deal with HP printers
[17:56] <x-X-x> stdin k btw how do i run a .deb through terminal ?
[17:57] <x-X-x> dpkg or aptitude?
[17:57] <stdin> x-X-x: sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[17:57] <tycale_> Hello
[17:57] <stdin> x-X-x: but you'd use "sudo dpkg -i --force-depends filename.deb"
[17:57] <tycale_> I don't know if I'm on Hardy Heron
[17:58] <x-X-x> stdin will that add the package to package manager so i can easily uninstall it like i would any other package manager app ?
[17:58] <stdin> x-X-x: yep
[17:58] <tycale_> Can you help me ?
[17:58] <x-X-x> stdin i luv u
[17:58] <XyQrTw> genii: I can't use this program, it dont find my printer, it is on my neufbox
[17:58] <stdin> !version
[17:58] <tycale_> ty
[17:58] <tycale_> ok 7.10
[17:58] <JuJuBee> I would like to get the image libraries (GD?) into php on my server.  How do I do that?
[17:59] <JuJuBee> DO I need to recompile php?
[17:59] <tycale_> aptitude upgrade is going to install 8.0 ?
[17:59] <tycale_> You need to change a file to enable GD, i think
[18:00] <stdin> !upgrade | tycale_
[18:00] <tycale_> ty  stdin, love your nick :D
[18:00] <stdin> that's why I choose it :)
[18:01] <x-X-x> omg it says dpkg: --ignore-depends requires a legal package name
[18:01] <JuJuBee> tycale_ : any idea which file?
[18:01] <stdin> x-X-x: try: --ignore-depends=wine
[18:01] <tycale_> I look after
[18:02]  * lombra voltou.
[18:02] <tycale_> JuJuBee: /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini
[18:02] <stdin> x-X-x: if not, then --ignore-depends=libldap2
[18:02] <tycale_> after, see if the line extension=gd.so is right
[18:02] <tycale_> and reload apache2
[18:03] <tycale_> or try to install php-gd
[18:03] <tycale_> php5-gd
[18:04] <tycale_> I think sudo aptitude install php5-gd is the best way
[18:04] <JuJuBee> Thanks, working
[18:04] <dwidmann> XyQrTw: I can't seem to get it to pick up my printer either .... it had no problem accessing network printers (cups) in gutsy :(
[18:05] <XyQrTw> dwidmann: i try to add my printer with config of kubuntu, but my driver is not in list.
[18:05] <JuJuBee> Thanks for the top tycale_  it works like a charm.
[18:06] <dwidmann> XyQrTw: I noticed that too, my printer isn't in the list ....
[18:06] <dwidmann> XyQrTw: even though the driver is installed
[18:06] <spykedtomato> can anyone tell me how long the update should take me @ 6Mbit connection? I'd like to upgrade to remix...
[18:07] <jhutchins_wk> spykedtomato: You usually won't get more than 300K from the servers.
[18:07] <jhutchins_wk> spykedtomato: 300K/s.
[18:08] <spykedtomato> jhutchins_wk: ok, doesn't sound too bad - any major issues with upgrading so far that you've heard about?
[18:09] <jhutchins_wk> spykedtomato: Generally agreed that it's one of the worst releases ever, upgrade breaks things for many users.
[18:09] <spykedtomato> whoa
[18:09] <leshiy> is anybody here?
[18:10]  * spykedtomato begins to rethink...
[18:10] <jhutchins_wk> leshiy: 370 lurkers
[18:10] <stdin> jhutchins_lt: source?
[18:10] <jhutchins_wk> stdin: For what?
[18:11] <stdin> for "Generally agreed that it's one of the worst releases ever, upgrade breaks things for many users."
[18:11] <dwidmann> jhutchins_wk:  360 idlers, 10 lurkers
[18:11] <jhutchins_wk> stdin: Observations here and in other channels.
[18:11] <jhutchins_wk> stdin: You been asleep or something?
[18:11] <genii> back
[18:11] <stdin> most people seem to have a smooth upgrade actually
[18:11] <genii> XyQrTw: Apologies for lag, work required me
[18:12] <jhutchins_wk> stdin: Perhaps most do, but there are plenty of problems, and I've seen it said that the rc was a lot more stable (probably meaning workable) than the actual release.
[18:12] <TuxOtaku> hey guys, I'm looking for a bandwidth monitoring application that has a similar feature set to NetMeter on Windows
[18:12] <spykedtomato> what's breaking for the people that are complaining?
[18:12] <TuxOtaku> any suggestions?
[18:12] <spykedtomato> and is it hardy or remix they're talking about?
[18:12] <o0Chris0o> what is the name in adebt for the extra screensavers for kde?
[18:12] <jhutchins_wk> spykedtomato: Printing, wireless, desktop issues.
[18:13] <stdin> jhutchins_lt: then "many" should be changed to "a few"
[18:13] <jhutchins_wk> stdin: Not from what I've seen.
[18:13] <stdin> from what I've seen, it is
[18:14] <stdin> I've upgraded several boxes on my network, all went well
[18:14] <jhutchins_wk> stdin: Don't be silly.  Not seeing errors only means you weren't looking in the right place.
[18:14] <spykedtomato> is kde4 good enough to use or should i stick with 3?
[18:14] <stdin> I've upgraded several friends, all went well
[18:14] <_eMaX_> hi all
[18:14] <_eMaX_> anyone here using eclipse on hardy?
[18:14] <dwidmann> spykedtomato: I recommend mixing them together
[18:14] <jhutchins_wk> stdin: All three of the *buntu users in our local LUG who've upgraded have had significant problems.
[18:14] <spykedtomato> dwidmann: mixing them? how's that?
[18:15] <jhutchins_wk> A lot of stuff doesn't run in 4 yet.
[18:15] <dwidmann> spykedtomato: have both kde3 and kde4 installed, log into one or the other, and use apps from both
[18:15] <dwidmann> spykedtomato: for example I'm using KDE3, but I'm also using konqueror4, Dolphin(not d3lphin), etc
[18:16] <x-X-x> whats the difference between cvs and git ?
[18:16] <spykedtomato> ok - did you install konqueror4 etc beside or on top of the older versions?
[18:16] <spykedtomato> or does that just happen automatically when you install kde4 over a kde3?
[18:17] <dwidmann> genii: the printer setup for KDE (ie: kcmshell printers) has been screwed around with for Ubuntu 8.04, and it doesn't seem to work any more ....
[18:26] <Bauldrick> wheres the file that holds info about what printers are installed? I had a printer on remote cups server which isn't there anymore, but I can't delete the printer in system settings
[18:26] <tycale_> New kubuntu is on kde4 ?
[18:26] <edoceo> I tried KDE4 and then removed now my desktop is all hosed up - konqueror won't run, things look to dolphin for file system viewing...how do I reset all this?
[18:26] <Kred> Hi, with Kaffeine theres a bug with the DVD codec install. Does anyone know a workaround?
[18:27] <tycale_> New kubuntu is on kde4 ?
[18:27] <J> I upgraded from 7.10 to 8.04 (kde3) yesterday on an Acer 2020 laptop, now shutdown doesn't power off and log off user just freezes.  I've tried the acpi=force and reboot=b kernel options.  Can anyone suggest something/anything! else I can try?
[18:27] <dwidmann> Kred: installing the codec manually would work nicely
[18:27] <J> tycale_: IIRC you can choose either 3 or 4
[18:27] <dwidmann> !css | Kred
[18:27] <tycale_> ok, thanks you
[18:27] <J> tycale_: but they are different downloads
[18:27] <dwidmann> Kred: I've noticed the bug too, however, I sometimes run into its little circle of doom when it *is* installed
[18:28] <tycale_> J: I'm on kubuntu 7.10
[18:28] <tycale_> I've to donwload 1800mo for the update
[18:28] <tycale_> Oo
[18:29] <J> tycale_: /me trying to remember if it prompts.  Can't remember, sorry.  But I upgraded trom 7.10 to 8.04 and kept kde3
[18:29] <Kred> dwidmann: ok got it installed and working. Thanks!
[18:30] <tycale_> But I've kde4 and 3 actually
[18:30] <tycale_> on my computer
[18:30] <tycale_> I don't understand why I've to download 1800 mo
[18:30] <davf> I'm having trouble with compiz loading on kubuntu 8.04 and nvidia.
[18:30] <tycale_> It's really big =|
[18:31] <SlimeyPete> tycale_: that includes updates for all the software you have installed via adept
[18:31] <dwidmann> tycale_: well, once you factor in all of the extra packages you have installed, it really starts to add up fast, I think KDE4 itself with only default packages is >300MB
[18:31] <SlimeyPete> I had to download 1200MB
[18:31] <tycale_> ho, ok
[18:31] <J> tycale_: yeah, took a few hours for my laptop to upgrade, but it's not a fast machine and the slow download didn't help :/
[18:31] <tycale_> ok
[18:32] <tycale_> ty
[18:33] <stefan-f> Hello all :)
[18:33] <stefan-f> since my upgrade to hardy yesterday I hav no sound
[18:33] <stefan-f> drivers are gone
[18:34] <kubuntutero> hi
[18:34] <stefan-f> can somene help
[18:34] <stefan-f> ?
[18:35] <dwidmann> stefan-f: do you know what sound card it is
[18:36] <stefan-f> lspci gives me :
[18:36] <stefan-f> 0:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
[18:37] <o0Chris0o> what is the name in adebt for the extra screensavers for kde?
[18:38] <edoceo> How do I get dpkg to re-configure my KDE3?
[18:42] <o0Chris0o> where do I find the "B II" window decoration?
[18:43] <JoshOvki> how do you find out what the name of the workgroup you are connect to is?
[18:44] <vbgunz> how do you play a simple vob file? I think upgrading to hardy may have broken my vob playback :/
[18:45] <JoshOvki> vbgunz: install VLC
[18:45] <jessica_> what command restarts your network ?
[18:46] <J> jessica_: sudo /etc/init.d networking restart
[18:46] <flaccid> jessica_: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[18:46] <dustrial> pls hlp, i need to get back the original files in "/lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/kernel/sound/"
[18:46] <jessica_> thanks
[18:50] <heath> What's the command to get a disk UUID?
[18:50] <jessica_> when i plug my bluetooth adapter in the bluetooth tools dont apper
[18:51] <stefan-f> !medibuntu
[18:54] <dwidmann> Is there any way to quiet down the output of umount, I tried doing > /dev/null but it's still printing to the screen :(
[18:54] <alanx> hi, everybody, greetings from guatemala
[18:55] <heath> dwidmann: is the disk in fstab?
[18:55] <ubuntu> hi
[18:55] <dwidmann> heath: shouldn't matter, I'm trying to shut up its output including errors ....
[18:55] <heath> oh...
[18:56] <trappist> dwidmann: > will only redirect stdout - you're seeing stderr
[18:56] <dwidmann> trappist: I figured as much, is there anything I can do about it?
[18:56] <trappist> dwidmann: umount ... 2&>/dev/null if I remember right
[18:56] <dwidmann> So what is the 2& doing exactly?
[18:57] <spykedtomato> n00b question - I'm trying to upgrade from cd, typed kdesu "/cdrom/cdromupgrade", get a "command not found" error - whassup with that?
[18:57] <J> dwidmann: IIRC stderr is 2.  Stdout is 1.  So >/dev/null could be written 1&>/dev/null
[18:57] <daemon3> Has anyone had their nvidia Geforce drivers messed up after the Hardy upgrade?
[18:58] <trappist> dwidmann: stderr and stdout are file descriptors.  2 is stderr.
[18:58] <all> hi everyone
[19:00] <sigma_1234> thumbs up to konqueror kde4. it opens my internet banking site perfectly
[19:00] <dwidmann> trappist, doesn't seem to be working, it says "2 not found" or similar
[19:00] <trappist> dwidmann: actually just &> should redirect stderr and stdout
[19:01] <sigma_1234> kde3 needed a useragent change to be invoked
[19:01] <spykedtomato> can anyone help me with the correct command to  upgrade from cd?
[19:01] <trappist> dwidmann: looks like I didn't quite remember it right :)
[19:01] <kubuntutero> dwidmann: 2>&1 > /dev/null
[19:01] <trappist> dwidmann: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO-3.html
[19:01] <all> anyone witha  nvidia 770 that can put work in kubuntu?
[19:01] <kubuntutero> hi alanx
[19:02] <sigma_1234> nvidia 770?
[19:02] <kubuntutero> spykedtomato: try apt-cdrom
[19:02] <kubuntutero> sigma_1234: Sweet. It's only going to get beter :0
[19:02] <dwidmann> kubuntutero: will try
[19:02] <all> GeForce 7700
[19:03] <all> I have a Asus A8jS but i install Ubuntu and everything works nice for me, but in Kubuntu not realy :S
[19:03] <sigma_1234> tell me about it. i cant wait till 4.1. just wish i could log off
[19:03] <dwidmann> kubuntutero: "umount: /dev/null not mounted"
[19:04] <fable> hello!
[19:04] <sigma_1234> !nvidia
[19:04] <kubuntutero> dwidmann: what did you type ?
[19:04] <kubuntutero> sigma_1234: You can't log out of the site ?
[19:04] <fable> how can i set the start-up application on kubuntu?!
[19:04] <kubuntutero> !autostart
[19:04] <dwidmann> umount /var/cache/apt/archives 2>&1 /dev/null
[19:05] <sigma_1234> you can install kubuntu in ubuntu. you do know that?
[19:05] <kubuntutero> dwidmann: forgot something
[19:05] <all> noo how can i do that?
[19:05] <kubuntutero> !kubuntu
[19:05] <dwidmann> kubuntutero: you did or I did?
[19:05] <kubuntutero> !kde
[19:05] <kubuntutero> dwidmann: you did
[19:05] <kubuntutero> all ^^^
[19:05] <all> i like the interface of KDE, but i like more of the Ubuntu cuiz look more compatibel with my PC
[19:05] <kubuntutero> You have a brown PC?
[19:06] <dwidmann> kubuntutero: and what might that be?
[19:06] <kubuntutero> dwidmann: > before /dev/null
[19:06] <dwidmann> kubuntutero: another one? okay
[19:07] <all> so if the kubuntu is = to ubuntu, only change the Gnome to KDE, so the fact that my grafic dont work well here as work in ubuntu its because the KDE?!
[19:07] <dwidmann> kubuntutero: /etc/init.d/mount-nfs.sh: 10: Syntax Error: redirection unexpected
[19:07] <kubuntutero> dwidmann: woah let me see what you typed in now
[19:08] <khaleel5000> hello, i have kubuntu 8.04 , I cant move my PS2 mouse, how do i configure that?
[19:08] <dwidmann> kubuntutero: umount /var/cache/apt/archives 2>&1> /dev/null
[19:09] <khaleel5000> the arrow is just there not moving. (my mouse works fine, tested in pclinuxos 2007 which I dual boot with kubuntu
[19:09] <kubuntutero> dwidmann: nope space between the 1 and >
[19:09] <inteliwasp> to install from source i need to use "sudo" on ./configure make and make install?
[19:09] <kubuntutero> that does something else
[19:09] <dwidmann> kubuntutero: curse sh for being so picky
[19:09] <SlimeyPete> inteliwasp: you only need sudo for "make install"
[19:09] <kubuntutero> inteliwasp: the package should have a README or an INSTALL file. Follow those instructions
[19:09] <kubuntutero> dwidmann: Well you are telling it to do that :)
[19:10] <all> so if i install ubuntu and then install the KDE under the ubuntu dont will be a probleam?
[19:10] <SlimeyPete> all: no problem. Just install "kubuntu-desktop".
[19:10] <inteliwasp> would i mess up anything if i did use sudo on all 3?
[19:10] <kubuntutero> inteliwasp: permissions maybe but unlikely
[19:10] <dwidmann> kubuntutero: problem: script isn't bombing with a syntax error now, but umount is still printing out the blahblahblah is not mounted messages that I want it to ignore in the event it's already unmounted
[19:10] <kubuntutero> ..
[19:11] <kubuntutero> it's not supposed to print anything after that
[19:11] <all> that way i can have the best of the two :D, lets take a try then
[19:11] <dwidmann> one sec, pastebin to the rescue
[19:13] <dwidmann> kubuntutero: http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d1441fdfd
[19:13] <Ahmuck> does hardy use alsa, or pulseaudio?
[19:14] <Ahmuck> for kubuntu
[19:14] <SlimeyPete> alsa
[19:15] <Ahmuck> so what is pulseaudio on kubuntu
[19:15] <SlimeyPete> pulseaudio is used in kde4 but it does not replace alsa
[19:15] <SlimeyPete> it runs on top of alsa
[19:15] <SlimeyPete> it's like artsd in kde3
[19:15] <kubuntutero> dwidmann: fine try 2> /dev/null
[19:16] <SlimeyPete> at least I think it's used in kde4
[19:16] <SlimeyPete> or.... is it phonon
[19:16] <cinex> hi
[19:16] <kubuntutero> Phonon
[19:16] <SlimeyPete> yeah, it's phonon I think
[19:16] <SlimeyPete> again, it runs on top of ALSA
[19:16] <SlimeyPete> alsa is a lower-level thing
[19:17]  * kubuntutero tapes up SlimeyPete's fingers
[19:17] <dwidmann> wait ...... it actually worked that time :O
[19:17] <kubuntutero> dwidmann: I know
[19:17] <khaleel5000> how do you configure mouse on kubuntu>
[19:17] <khaleel5000> ?
[19:17] <kubuntutero> khaleel5000: system settings -> mouse
[19:18] <khaleel5000> kubuntutero: thanks
[19:18] <stefan-f> hmm, where can I find the alsa-driver?
[19:18] <stefan-f> I mean in which repo?
[19:18] <stefan-f> !alsa
[19:18] <dwidmann> kubuntutero: hm, my ifstate test isn't liking me  ... seems knetworkmanager might be skooting past it >.<
[19:20] <dwidmann> kubuntutero: or in some way shape or form ifstate isn't being kept up to date :(
[19:20]  * Aelwyn está ausente: Ausente por ahora.
[19:20] <_eMaX_> anyone here using eclipse on hardy/compiz?
[19:21] <kubuntutero> Probably knetworkmanager
[19:21] <kubuntutero> Don't know if there is a way to sync them
[19:22] <dwidmann> kubuntutero: do you know of a better network connectivity test I might be able to use?
[19:22] <trappist> dwidmann: seems hackish, but when I script stuff like that I figure if I can ping google I'm online, and if I can't I'm not
[19:23] <khaleel5000> kubuntutero: I am in kubuntu, my mouse is still not working , where do I configure it?
[19:24] <khaleel5000> system settings -->mouse only lets to tweak it, my mouse isint even moving
[19:24] <dwidmann> trappist: hmm, I've an idea, but would something like "ping -c1 terra" return a different exit status if it failed to ping?
[19:24] <kubuntutero> khaleel5000: was it moving at the login screen?
[19:24] <kubuntutero> dwidmann: test it
[19:25] <kubuntutero> echo $?
[19:25] <trappist> dwidmann: I get an exit status of 2 for unknown host
[19:25] <khaleel5000> not moving in login screen nor in the kde environment after I log in
[19:25] <J> dwidmann: what does sudo ethtool eth[?] return for link detected?
[19:25] <kubuntutero> that gives you the exit status
[19:25] <kubuntutero> khaleel5000: ... hmm is it configured in your X ?
[19:25] <khaleel5000> I dont know, how do i find it ?
[19:25] <kubuntutero> though I honestly don't know how to do that in the new X
[19:26] <kubuntutero> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg normally
[19:26] <kubuntutero> !mouse
[19:26] <kubuntutero> Nope :-(
[19:26] <AdmiralNDP> I'm using the latest Kubuntu with KDE 4. How do I get Sysgaurd back in the toolbar?
[19:26] <khaleel5000> kubuntutero: do you have a ps2 mouse?
[19:27] <khaleel5000> kubuntutero: if you have it, copy and paste the xorg's part for mouse at some place
[19:27] <cinex> !paste
[19:27] <dwidmann_laptop> J: http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d3f0e0d18
[19:27] <trappist> does the nfs kernel module not get loaded at boot in hardy?
[19:28] <kubuntutero> Nope USB mouse right now
[19:28] <kubuntutero>  I have PS/2 mouse somewhere
[19:28] <kubuntutero> khaleel5000: it should ask you about your mouse during that setup
[19:28] <J> dwidmann_laptop: doesn't link detected: yes give you enough info?  Or am I missing what you want to work out...?
[19:29] <khaleel5000> kubuntutero: i had tried sudo dpkg...it didnt,let me check again
[19:29] <dwidmann> J: well I wasn't really familiar with that command ...
[19:29] <Pete051> evening folk
[19:30] <J> dwidmann: 's OK - there's 1000's I don't know :)  ethtool is really good when you need to force stuff like speed.  But is that link detected what you want to know?
[19:31] <khaleel5000> kubuntutero: didnt ask for mouse, just kernel frame buffer, and keyboard
[19:31] <khaleel5000> kubuntutero: i used sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xog in debian , i know it does ask but it didnt here
[19:31] <o0Chris0o> whats the name of the background widget for weather?
[19:32] <J> is there anyone who might have some pointers wrt the power/log off issue I asked about?  Please? :)
[19:33] <tycale_> hum
[19:33] <tycale_> I stop the upgrade distrib
[19:33] <steevc> having a few issues with my upgrade to Hardy. no graphical login, but I can do startx. this time I can't get a mouse pointer
[19:33] <tycale_> Now in adept, i've just a lot of .deb to download
[19:34] <bibek> hi my screen resolution is 600x480
[19:34] <bibek> :(
[19:35] <bibek> and the monitor and display doesnot have option to increase, 600x480 is the only available resolution
[19:35] <hydrogen>      get a bigger monitor?
[19:35] <bibek> hydrogen: its a 15inch monitor
[19:36] <bibek> well actually i think the monitor is not detected, my vga card is detected as 945 but monitor "plug n play"
[19:37] <cinex> anyone know of the top of their heads the module to allow amd x2 cpu stepping ?
[19:38] <steevc> any ideas on how to get the KDE mouse back? moving the mouse does highlight things on the task bar but hard to click accurately
[19:39] <gemidjy> kdenlive in hardy heron crashes on start. anyone knows something more about this?
[19:50] <bentob0x> How to modify the screen resolution of X when kdm_greet is on?
[19:51] <dwidmann> J: well, if what it does is see if the link is up then yes
[19:51] <dwidmann> and it's time for me to take my desktop and laptop down for hardware upgrades, yay :)
[19:53] <dwidmann> J: all that really matters is that my laptop can reach my desktop
[19:58] <dian> hi
[19:58] <dian> how can i install mozila
[19:58] <dian> or skype ?
[19:58] <dian> 6.10
[19:58] <dian> :")
[19:58] <dian> of kubuntu
[19:58] <DASkreech> !skype
[20:00] <JoshOvki> !pastebin
[20:00] <dian> :)
[20:00] <dian> how can i turn on my compiz ?
[20:00] <dian> there is compiz right
[20:00] <dian> ?
[20:00] <DASkreech> dian: you may want to update that Kubuntu btw
[20:00] <DASkreech> why are you on Edgy?
[20:01] <dian> i am doing it right now
[20:01] <dian> 192 packeges upgrading
[20:01] <dian> :)
[20:02] <patch> !nvidia
[20:02] <dian> hey guys i dont know how to do that
[20:02] <dian> Skype Repository
[20:03] <patch> Are there any procedures if the restricted drivers basically make your X session unusable provides just a black screen
[20:05] <dian> hey
[20:05] <bentob0x> How to modify the screen resolution of X when kdm_greet is on?
[20:05] <dian> how to turn on compix
[20:05] <bentob0x> the login screen basically
[20:07] <patch> dian: system>Desktop Effects
[20:08] <dian> patch:  there is no Desktop effects there
[20:09] <patch> dian: sudo apt-get install compiz
[20:10] <neo_> hola
[20:10] <neo_> saludo
[20:11] <dian> patch:  E: Couldn't find package compiz
[20:11] <patch> have you done a apt-get update?
[20:12] <neo_> byte
[20:12] <dian> no[e
[20:12] <dian> just instralled
[20:12] <patch> sudo apt-get update
[20:12] <dian> how to update it ?
[20:13] <dian> patch:  did it and the same
[20:13] <dian> no compiz
[20:13] <jonfhancock> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[20:13] <DASkreech> !upgrade
[20:16] <dwidmann> I wonder if my laptop will still love me
[20:18] <jonfhancock> patch: boot to command line, and roll back your xorg.conf file.
[20:20] <dwidmann> Yay, she does :) she does :) ... 4096MB memory
[20:21] <ALLpt> Can anyone tell me the link to install KDE in ubuntu?
[20:21] <DASkreech> !kde
[20:21] <cinex> ALLpt: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[20:21] <cinex> ALLpt: that is for kde3 for kde4 it is kubuntu-kde4-desktop or something
[20:21] <DASkreech> !KDE is KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop », or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE) . Latest KDE version is 3.5.9 in Hardy, 3.5.8 for Gutsy and Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org) for more information.
[20:22] <ALLpt> i went to the synaptic and then select the KDE
[20:22] <ALLpt> and now is downlaoding, hope i select the right one
[20:22] <cinex> kubuntu-desktop installs everything you need
[20:23] <ALLpt> in the instalation say 317 files so i hope that is this one :)
[20:23] <TeslaTony> ALLpt: That'll give you the desktop environment. Not a bad option, but if you want all the programs, too, just install kubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-kde4-desktop when you're done
[20:23] <ALLpt> i dont want the kde programs, in fact i like more the gnome programs
[20:24] <ALLpt> i only want the blue, the icons and all that
[20:24] <ALLpt> in that point i think that gnome is not very good :S
[20:24] <jonfhancock> visual appeal you mean?
[20:24] <ALLpt> yap, thats right
[20:25] <DASkreech> ALLpt: just change the Gnome theme to a blue one then
[20:25] <TeslaTony> Gotta love linux...don't like something? Choose something else.
[20:25] <ALLpt> i already try find one that i like, but keep think that KDE look better :D
[20:25] <Fa> it's all about freedom and choice
[20:26] <ALLpt> well i will try KDE here, and then lets see
[20:26] <Fa> kde 4 keeps on crashing on me when i use kvirc
[20:26] <H_Gonzo> hi everyone, I have a pcmcia-soundcard question
[20:26] <kreib> possible to set konversation to autoconncet on start?
[20:26] <ALLpt> its why Linux rocks, we have so lot of options, the probleam some times is select one
[20:27] <kreib> on computer boot I mean
[20:27] <cinex> kreib: ~/.kde/Autostart
[20:27] <cinex> you could put a link to it in there
[20:28] <H_Gonzo> basically, an audigy pcmcia is detected during hardy's bootable cd start, but once it's installed to the hard drive, the soundcard isn't running anymore
[20:28] <kreib> ok, so then konversation starts up, but can I make it automatically connect to channels?
[20:28] <cinex>  oh I dunno
[20:30] <H_Gonzo> has someone had a similar issue?
[20:30] <jhutchins_wk> kreib: Check the "Connect on application startup" box for each server you want to connect to.
[20:30] <jonfhancock> kreib: you set that up from within konversations
[20:30] <kreib> ncie, tha
[20:30] <kreib> thx
[20:30] <ALLpt> after install, how i can run KDE?
[20:31] <ALLpt> i already see all the programs and all that, but my desktop keep in Gnome
[20:31] <jonfhancock> kreib: and add the channels you want to the auto join channels section
[20:31] <jonfhancock> ALLpt: logout, then select KDE from session types
[20:31] <jonfhancock> then log back in
[20:31] <ALLpt> ok i will try
[20:31] <ALLpt> tks
[20:31] <Fa> ;)
[20:33] <jessica_> what dose grub error 21 mean
[20:34] <SJrX> As soon as I login via KDM, for some reason my desktop resolution switches to something ridiculous and I have to switch it back everytime
[20:34] <H_Gonzo> no audigy then :( I'll check the forums
[20:34] <SJrX> How can I fix this, as it's REALLY annoying.
[20:35] <jonfhancock> SJrX: check your settings in xorg.conf
[20:35] <SJrX> it's not when I boot x, it's when I login.
[20:35] <SJrX> kdm is fine.
[20:39] <sait8so> KDE question: How to set defaults in KFind? I'd like the default search to start in "/" instead of "file:///home/myname"  Any help appreciated.
[20:39] <genii> SJrX: Basically, 2 options. 1) Enable session to be saved so that whatever resolution its set when you logoff reappears or   2) make top resolution the (non rediculous) one you want in the xorg.conf
[20:40] <SJrX> How do I enable the session to be saved
[20:40] <jonfhancock> SJrX: system settings
[20:41] <jonfhancock> -> KDE Components
[20:41] <jonfhancock> -> Session Manager
[20:41] <jonfhancock> check "Restor previous session"
[20:41] <jonfhancock> Apply
[20:44] <SJrX> That is already checked jonfhancock
[20:44] <SJrX> the obsured resolution is 1280x1024 fyi
[20:44] <jonfhancock> hmm.. try checking "Restore manually saves session"
[20:44] <SJrX> I even changed it in Size & Orientation, and set "Apply settings on KDE Startup" and it didn't do it
[20:44] <jonfhancock> then restart x and see what happens
[20:45] <jonfhancock> SJrX: what is your video card? and any special monitor setup?
[20:45] <SJrX> vmware
[20:45] <jonfhancock> ah
[20:46] <jessica_> what dose error 21 mean and how can i fix it
[20:46] <jonfhancock> hmm.. I haven't run kubuntu in vmware.  or kde at all...
[20:46] <jessica_> in grub
[20:46] <cinex> jessica_: google it
[20:46] <jessica_> ok
[20:47] <SJrX> It's profile specific
[20:47] <SJrX> it only affects my user, the other user doesn't have this switch.
[20:47] <SJrX> It also affects KDE 3.5 and KDE 4
[20:47] <jonfhancock> very strange
[20:49] <SJrX> It doesn't affect Failsafe
[20:49] <SJrX> hmmm  maybe this is a KDE question
[20:49] <cinex> ?
[20:49] <rfrancisco> yes
[20:50] <rfrancisco> girls
[20:50] <sait8so> jessica_: try here: http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p15.htm
[20:51] <sait8so> jessica_: its an exellent grub page
[20:52] <banane> Hi, where do i find a pointer to Kubuntu 8.04 multimedia codec installation
[20:52] <cinex> hmm
[20:52] <cinex> banane: you can get them from a repository
[20:53] <cinex> medibuntu or soemthing
[20:53] <jonfhancock> banane: you can still use automatix if you like that sort of thing
[20:53] <sait8so> any takers on the KFind question about setting the default?
[20:53] <jonfhancock> sait8so: I looked, but I couldn't find anything
[20:53] <jonfhancock> sait8so:
[20:53] <jonfhancock> erm.. oops
[20:54] <sait8so> jonfhancock: thanks, appreciate it. I found the same answer in other channels and forums ;)
[20:54] <banane> thanks cinex and jonfhancock. is it risky to use automatix ?
[20:54] <jonfhancock> sait8so: I may have an answer for you.
[20:54] <jonfhancock> banane: automatix is going away soon
[20:54] <banane> oh...
[20:55] <banane> why ?
[20:55] <jhutchins_wk> !bot
[20:55] <cinex> ive never heard of automatix
[20:55] <jonfhancock> the developers are moving to a diferent distro.
[20:55] <jhutchins_wk> !automatix
[20:56] <banane> can you please point me to the repository ?
[20:56] <jhutchins_wk> automatix is a program that attempts to install and configure several packages and often breaks the system in the process.
[20:56] <sait8so> jonfhancock: anything you can suggest is appreciated
[20:56] <cinex> w32codecs libdvdcss2 is pretty much all you need possibly ffmpeg
[20:56] <banane> thanks cinex
[20:56] <rfrancisco> who has problem to install vmware on 8.04
[20:56] <rfrancisco> ?
[20:56] <jonfhancock> sait8so: make a bash script called custom-kfind and use it to start kfind /
[20:57] <jonfhancock> then symlink it into /usr/bin
[20:57] <jonfhancock> pastebin?
[20:57] <dave11> TCS labled the kubuntu 8.04 LTS..oops
[20:57] <jonfhancock> pastebin!
[20:57] <jhutchins_wk> !paste
[20:58] <jonfhancock> thanks
[20:59] <banane> cinex how can i find the repository for w32codecs libdvdcss2 ?
[20:59] <sait8so> jonfhancock: I'll give it a try. Thanks!
[20:59] <jonfhancock> you bet.  works for me
[21:03] <uga> can anyone confirm that the new 8.04 CDs bundle OOo?
[21:04] <uga> I'd like to setup a friend's box, but given he'll be lacking internet connection for a while, I'd like to make sure I have everything at hand
[21:04] <uga> (and koffice won't do it)
[21:05] <jonfhancock> uga: I'm afraid I don't recall.  LinuxMint does
[21:05] <crimsun> uga: KDE3 or the KDE4 remix?
[21:05] <uga> kde3 one. I want something stable
[21:06] <Jucato> uga: Kubuntu always ships with OOo
[21:06] <Jucato> (at least for KDE 3)
[21:06] <uga> thanks. This will save me some time
[21:06] <DASkreech> Probably will for KDE4 as well
[21:06] <DASkreech> well 4.0 and 4.1
[21:06] <DASkreech>  Koffice is still a ways off
[21:06] <crimsun> you can confirm with, say, http://ftp.hosteurope.de/mirror/releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hardy/kubuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.manifest
[21:06] <uga> yeah, but I don't want him to be using linux for first time with 4.0
[21:06] <uga> that'd scare him off
[21:07] <uga> once 4.1 is out, maybe
[21:07] <DASkreech> 4.2 ftp!
[21:15] <yoyoma> are there any bugs regarding adding desktops to KDE (3) in 8.04?
[21:17] <yoyoma> I go to configure desktops, slide the slider to 4, hit apply, ok.... but it doesn't change anything
[21:17] <Jucato> using compiz?
[21:18] <yoyoma> yeah
[21:18] <Jucato> that's the bug
[21:18] <Jucato> er.. problem :)
[21:18] <yoyoma> you can't have multiple desktops while using compiz?
[21:19] <DASkreech> You can but compiz does it's own thing
[21:19] <yoyoma> what's the point of the cuve effect then?
[21:19] <Jucato> you can, but I think it's a bit screwy
[21:19] <Jucato> you'll have to ask in #compiz-fusion
[21:19] <Jucato> compiz screws up KDE's virtual desktops
[21:19] <yoyoma> ok
[21:19] <cinex> not any more
[21:19] <yoyoma> thanks!
[21:19] <cinex> they fixed that
[21:19] <Jucato> tell that to yoyoma :)
[21:20] <yoyoma> hehe
[21:20] <cinex> she's too busy kicking y0momma's fac ein
[21:20] <yoyoma> sure isn't working for me
[21:20] <Jucato> do you have compiz-kicker installed? (or something like that)
[21:21] <__-osh-__> is there a vmware-server in new hardy? It must be present before I can upgrade...
[21:21] <cinex> ive not got it installed - fresh install of hardy. I cant remeber what I had installed before
[21:21] <cinex> bu the pager was fine
[21:22] <__-osh-__> !vmware
[21:22] <yoyoma> eh, i guess i'll try it later
[21:22] <yoyoma> gotta go get groceries
[21:22] <yoyoma> thanks
[21:23] <__-osh-__> Hmm, that info-bit was a bit old, no?
[21:23] <uga> __-osh-__: why not use VirtualBox instead
[21:24] <uga> !VirtualBox
[21:24] <__-osh-__> uga: because I have a much needed windows vmware-image with all work related stuff on it.
[21:24] <hydrogen> gdb in hardy is giving me this when I try to debug something...
[21:24] <hydrogen> warning: Cannot initialize thread debugging library: generic error
[21:24] <uga> __-osh-__: hehe, what if I tell you there's online how-tos for converting vmware disks into virtualbox ones =)
[21:25] <uga> __-osh-__: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMagazine/HowTo/Switching_From_VMWare_To_VirtualBox:_.vmdk_To_.vdi_Using_Qemu_+_VdiTool
[21:25] <__-osh-__> uga: it don't matter to me. If virtualbox does what vmware does then I'll use that. Is it equal to or better than vmware?
[21:26] <uga> it is, just the difference is 0$
[21:26] <uga> (legally)
[21:26] <uga> and supports usb2 properly, which, I believe vmware barely manages yet =)
[21:27] <__-osh-__> uga: The guide is for vmware-player to virtualbox. Does it work with vmware-server too?
[21:27] <uga> __-osh-__: notice though, iirc ubuntu includes the non-usb version. download the full one from the site
[21:27] <uga> __-osh-__: oh, the -server version
[21:27] <uga> uhm... not sure
[21:27] <uga> I guess the format should be the same for either workstation or server, but no idea really
[21:29] <george> please may someone help me with instaling skype
[21:29] <__-osh-__> uga: so to be safe i should stay with vmware then... and will that show up in hardy?
[21:29] <__-osh-__> !skype
[21:30] <uga> __-osh-__: I haven't used vmware for ages, and on this 64bit box at least, apt doesn't show it
[21:30] <__-osh-__> george: might be what you need?
[21:31] <__-osh-__> uga: i think it used to be in a "partner" repo.
[21:31] <george> mmm no
[21:31] <george> :(
[21:31] <george> wrong architecture i386
[21:31] <george> za 64bit ubuntu
[21:31] <george> for 64bit ubuntu
[21:31] <__-osh-__> george: cant help you then. dont use skype.
[21:32] <george> seriozly?
[21:32] <uga> george: most 32 bit apps jsut work fine on 64bit boxes
[21:32] <uga> youjust need to force the install
[21:33] <george> what do you meen
[21:33] <george> force the install
[21:33] <george> sorry but english is not my 1st language
[21:33] <uga> george: when you try to install, you get an error
[21:33] <uga> read the help it points you to
[21:33] <__-osh-__> george: yeah, seriously. I have a regular mobile phone that my company pais for. not much need for skype...
[21:34] <__-osh-__> s/pais/pays/g
[21:34] <JoshOvki> !pastebin
[21:34] <uga> !force
[21:36] <__-osh-__> uga: thanks for your help. need to rest now. back another day...
[21:36] <george> i dont need skype for calls
[21:36] <george> i have 2 mobile telefons
[21:36] <george> in my contry there is no irc server
[21:36] <__-osh-__> george: what for then?
[21:37] <george> to keep tuch in time my friends
[21:37] <uga> george: dpkg --force-help
[21:37] <uga> type that and read
[21:37] <george> 10x
[21:38] <george> i see...but i still dont know where is the mistake
[21:38] <george> when i try to install skype
[21:38] <uga> what happens when you try to install it
[21:38] <george> it show me "wrong architecture i386"
[21:39] <uga> so just force it to install, the error line explains you how to =)
[21:39] <chosig> I think I've found a blocker bug in the new amd64 8.04 remix version... I've done a base install, nothing fancy - after reboot it refused to start X because displayconfig-gtk was missing.
[21:39] <uga> jsut force the architecture =)
[21:39] <chosig> Had to reboot in to rescue and manually install it
[21:39] <george> :)
[21:40] <wesley> where are kernels to installed ?
[21:40] <uga> george: sorry, not sure how to translate RTFM to bulgarian ;)
[21:40] <george> it means?
[21:40] <george> i will translate it
[21:41] <uga> errrm..l. Roses To Females Maybe
[21:41] <uga> george: "Reat the Fucking Manual" =)
[21:41] <uga> s/Reat/Read
[21:41] <george> xaxaax
[21:41] <george> this is my first time on Obuntu
[21:42] <george> sorry...
[21:42] <george> :(
[21:42] <uga> the thing I pointed to you is the manual though
[21:42] <uga> dpkg --help-force
[21:42] <uga> explains you how to force packages to install even if an error happens
[21:42] <uga> and the error tells you what to force
[21:42] <uga> can't combine both? =)
[21:42] <george> ok thak you
[21:42] <george> :)
[21:43] <uga> I prefer teaching hunting for food, rather than giving food
[21:43] <george> Rozi i za teb uga :))
[21:44] <wesley> can someone tell me the dir of where the kernels are being installed
[21:44] <_phoenix_> where can i get the code from kopete
[21:44] <uga> _phoenix_: svn.kde.org
[21:44] <Jucato> _phoenix_: kopete source code?
[21:45] <K4k-laptop> how do I install a new theme in kde4?
[21:45] <_phoenix_> yes
[21:45] <K4k-laptop> I downloaded the ktheme .gz file but I can't seem to find where to install it
[21:45] <_phoenix_> the source
[21:45] <Jucato> _phoenix_, uga: or "apt-get source kopete" :)
[21:45] <Jucato> (if you want the Kubuntu version)
[21:45] <_phoenix_> where i can find the code after downloading
[21:45] <uga> Jucato: if he wants to code, I'd rather have him do so in the real source ;)
[21:46] <taghasien007> i need help i have HDD locked in the bios is there any solution please
[21:46] <Jucato> uga: well it is the real source too :P
[21:46] <uga> _phoenix_: it doesn't install the source by default
[21:46] <kalle__> Cheers
[21:46] <Jucato> _phoenix_: in the directory where you ran apt-get source
[21:46] <uga> Jucato: yes, of course, if kubuntu devs remember feedign the stuff back upstram
[21:46] <uga> upstream
[21:46] <Jucato> :D
[21:47] <taghasien007>  i need help i have HDD locked in the bios is there any solution please
[21:47] <Jucato> K4k-laptop: kthemes or .kth themes don't work in KDE 4
[21:47] <H_Gonzo> hi, I would need some help with an audigy pcmcia soundcard. Can someone help, please?
[21:47] <kallepersson_> Is there any way to map right mouse button as ctrl+left mouse button ?
[21:47] <K4k-laptop> Jucato, then I guess it was mis-labeled in kde-look.org
[21:48] <Jucato> K4k-laptop: what does it say?
[21:48] <chosig> taghasien007: try removing the battery from the mobo, it might help - but it might also destroy it too...
[21:48] <K4k-laptop> Jucato, what does what say?
[21:48] <uga> Jucato: it's possibly a plasma theme
 Jucato, then I guess it was mis-labeled in kde-look.org <---
[21:48] <_phoenix_> what must i type in in apt-get to make my gcc able to compile it?
[21:48] <Jucato> uga: he said ktheme
[21:48] <uga> Jucato: bet a pizza? =)
[21:48] <K4k-laptop> Jucato, it's listed under the kde4 themes
[21:49] <uga> K4k-laptop: which one is it
[21:49] <K4k-laptop> when I unzipped it it's a .ktm extension
[21:49] <Jucato> uga: how should I know? I don't have the link
[21:49] <K4k-laptop> erm...kollide
[21:49] <Jucato> I'm only basing it on what he said
[21:50] <_phoenix_> what must i type in in apt-get to make my gcc able to compile it?
[21:50] <uga> oh
[21:50] <uga> Jucato: it seems to be a style
[21:50] <Jucato> if you say so
[21:50] <uga> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/kollide?content=75295
[21:51] <uga> well, style, plus wallpaper, plus... etc etc
[21:51] <_sourcemaker> I try to install the vmware server but I receive a compile error while compiling the vmware module
[21:51]  * Jucato doesn't trust kde-look.org "labels"
[21:51] <will00> ey im using a mini itx mobo, and iv installed kubuntu, but i get these vertical like vibrating lines across the screen, any idea as to the problem?
[21:51] <taghasien007> THANKS CHOSIG the password is in stcked in the hdd i trayd an usb external case but it is impossible to acces or format the hdd
[21:51] <uga> Jucato: it's under "theme-manager theme"
[21:52] <taghasien007> HANKS CHOSIG the password is in stcked in the hdd i trayd an usb external case but it is impossible to acces or format the hdd
[21:52] <uga> no idea what a theme manager is, but sounds like some generic style set that uses pixmaps
[21:52] <Jucato> uga: * Jucato doesn't trust kde-look.org "labels"
[21:52] <Jucato> kthememanager doesn't exist in kde4 afaik
[21:52] <uga> Jucato: who said that I said that it was for kde4
[21:52] <uga> I only said where kollide was =))
 how do I install a new theme in kde4?
[21:53] <george> dont mess with uga !:))
[21:53] <uga> lol
[21:53] <Jucato> right... be he's allowed to mess with me?
[21:54] <uga> Jucato: okay, he did, I didn't. Blame him for incorrect information ;P
[21:54] <uga> Jucato: K4k-laptop != uga
[21:54] <chosig> taghasien007: then i don't have a clue, try googling
[21:54] <K4k-laptop> yea, I'm mainly just wondering how to do it, I found most of them are .deb packages, but I remember with kthememanager it had an "install new theme" button which I don't see in the new theme manager
[21:54] <uga> Jucato: I didn't mess with you. I just told you what it was
[21:54] <Jucato> uga: where was I blaming you?
[21:54] <Jucato> K4k-laptop: yeah, in KDE 3
[21:55] <K4k-laptop> right...
[21:55] <K4k-laptop> so, does anyone know if you can even install new 3rd party themes in kde4?
[21:55] <K4k-laptop> or have they locked you out of that ability
[21:55] <uga> K4k-laptop: you can install plasma themes
[21:56] <K4k-laptop> ah, ok, thank you
[21:56] <Jucato> K4k-laptop: there's just no kthememanager... doesn't mean it's impossible to change themes
[21:56] <K4k-laptop> alright
[21:56] <banane> i installed the codecs now in hardy, but sound in vlc and mplayer is extremely faint ...
[21:56] <Jucato> but, since KDE 4 is based on Qt 4, KDE 3 widget styles would not work in KDE 4
[21:57] <Jucato> so there might be a lack of widget styles for KDE 4 for a while. same with window decorations (I think)
[21:57] <uga> K4k-laptop: http://www.kde-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=76
[21:57] <Jucato> KDE 4 also follows a different icon naming specification (from FreeDesktop.org), which means that old icont themes might not work too
[21:59] <_sourcemaker> !pastebin
[22:00] <chosig> Isn't there plugins for konqueror aviable, like the ones for firefox?
[22:00] <o0Chris0o> should install pastebinit :) even easier!
[22:01] <_sourcemaker> VMWare compile error... what's wrong again? http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/53
[22:01] <Jucato> chosig: what kind of plugins?
[22:02] <chosig> Jucato: at the moment an adblocker :)
[22:02] <Jucato> Konq has a builtin Adblock Filter
[22:02] <Jucato> not exactly like Firefox's, but still...
[22:03] <chosig> oh...
[22:03] <chosig> mouse gestures would be nice too :)
[22:04] <Jucato> KDE has builtin gestures, not just for Konqueror
[22:06] <chosig> Jucato: another "oh"... it seems like it's been a long time since i used kde...
[22:06] <Jucato> KDE has had that for a long time I believe... under Input Actions
[22:08] <chosig> Jucato: i think last time i used kde was somewhere in the 2.x version
[22:09] <Jucato> ah fair enough :)
[22:09] <Jucato> Gestures howto: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3086781.0
[22:11] <chosig> Jucato: thanks
[22:11] <ddahl> what kind of Desktop Environment are you using then?
[22:13] <chosig> Jucato: oh, all is so much easier now... i didn't even have scour the net for drivers - all is auto-recognized and configured by default (and you can even set no anti-alias range w/o  attacking fonts.conf!) I've live too long in a shell ;P
[22:13] <Jucato> :D
[22:13] <egork> I would like to move a menu option "switch to online/offline mode" of the network kde panel applet to the first menu level. Where should I start looking for the information on how to do it? I can program and complie etc. but do not know what would be the most economic way to do it.
[22:14] <Danish989> quick question :  For playing music, which one is the best: Music Player Daemon, AmaroK or Listen?
[22:17] <chosig> Danish989: it depends on how you listen and how much "bling" you want :P
[22:17] <Jucato> !best | Danish989
[22:17] <chosig> Danish989: from what i've seen amarok seems nice though... but mpd works really good, and is easily remote controlled from work ;)
[22:18] <yoyoma> can i use the xfce login screen as the default login screen, even though it's not my default GUI (KDE3 is)?
[22:19] <chosig> yoyoma: yes, just choose kde as yoru default session (although, i think xfce uses gdm (gnome's display manager), or am i wrong?9
[22:19] <Jucato> yoyoma: yeah. Xfce (or rather Xubuntu) uses GDM, same as GNOME
[22:20] <yoyoma> hmm... i'm wanting to retain KDE3 as my default environment when I login, but I like the look and feel of the xfce login prompt better.  where do i choose my login prompt?
[22:21] <Jucato> O.o
[22:21] <gemidjy> kdenlive in hardy heron crashes on start. anyone knows something more about this?
[22:21] <Jucato> yoyoma: what do you mean "choose my login prompt"?
[22:22] <yoyoma> Jucato: when you power on the machine, you get a prompt asking for username/password, and session type
[22:22] <yoyoma> Jucato:  I currently have the KDE4 prompt, and would like the xfce one instead
[22:22] <Jucato> do you have gdm installed too?
[22:22] <yoyoma> i have xfce installed
[22:23] <Jucato> well check if you have the gdm package :)
[22:23] <chosig> yoyoma: apt-cache policy gdm
[22:23] <yoyoma> i have it installed
[22:23] <Jucato> if it's installed. "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xdm" should ask you if you want to use kdm or gdm
[22:24] <yoyoma> xdm is not installed
[22:24] <Jucato> did you try the command?
[22:25] <yoyoma> yeah... the output is "xdm is not insatlled"
[22:25] <Jucato> hm...
[22:25] <Jucato> hold on
[22:25] <Jucato> might be sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm.... I'll have to test first
[22:26] <yoyoma> ok.  i'm going to go move a couch for my wife... brb
[22:26] <chosig> strange to have more than a maximized putty/screen session... there's colors :)
[22:27] <poseidon> Whats a good program for image burning (cd's)
[22:27] <egork> where to start looking for the info on how to hack the kde menu applets?
[22:27] <Jucato> poseidon: k3b
[22:27] <Jucato> egork: which applets?
[22:28] <egork> Jucato, in this specific case kde network manager applet
[22:33] <Jucato> egork: hm.. I didn't know there was such an applet. but anyway, you'll have to look at the source code to hack it :/
[22:33] <Jucato> yoyoma: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[22:33] <yoyoma> ok
[22:33] <TeslaTony> I'm not getting any sound in flash (sometimes), and the only fixes I'm finding are for 64 bit systems (mines 32) or for Feisty. Anyone know how to fix this?
[22:34] <yoyoma> allrighty, an X restart in 5...4...3...2...1...
[22:35] <egork> Jucato, source code, sure. Do you have any hint for me on how to do it in a most lazy way? I would hate to recompile whole KDE.
[22:35] <Jucato> you won't have to recompile whole KDE.. just kdebase mostly :)
[22:35] <Jucato> you can try search for a guide about kicker in techbase.kde.org
[22:35] <Jucato> I think there's one there
[22:36] <yoyoma> is this the proper output:  invoke-rc.d: initscript gdm, action "reload" failed.
[22:36] <egork> Jucato, aha this is already something to start with.
[22:40] <_sourcemaker> why are there so many vmware problems in the new hardy distribution?
[22:40] <_sourcemaker> I can install the vmware server product
[22:42] <arc_shmoo> how do i get ndiswrapper configured right? ive installed it and its front-end gui as well as the windows driver to go with it now what?
[22:44] <HunterSThompson> have there been no updates in the past week?
[22:48] <HunterSThompson> ...or how can I upgrade from cd
[22:50] <LeeJunFan> anyone else having issues with hardy on the laptop randomly suspending to ram?
[22:51] <psyco> ZOMG KDE 4.1 ALPHA RELEASED ^^
[22:51] <LeeJunFan> sweet. I still can't stand using 4.0
[22:52] <pietje_phuck> LeeJunFan: why are you using it then?
[22:52] <pietje_phuck> LeeJunFan: :)
[22:52] <LeeJunFan> I'm not
[22:52] <pietje_phuck> ok
[22:53] <pietje_phuck> me neither
[22:53] <LeeJunFan> I was quite disappointed at their presentation of a "finished product".
[22:54] <pietje_phuck> I did not even bother to try when they said it was not going to be long term support
[22:54] <pietje_phuck> I trust them enough to listen when they indicate it is crap
[22:54] <dwidmann> pietje_phuck: the kde4 kubuntu doesn't even have short term support, community support only.
[22:55] <pietje_phuck> dwidmann: That bad eh.....
[22:55] <psyco> hehe
[22:55] <psyco> I sparked a conversation ^^
[22:55] <dwidmann> psyco: congratulations
[22:56] <will00> does anyone know why kubuntu would display vertical lines?
[22:56] <psyco> I am incredibly excited.
[22:56] <psyco> :O And you can run it on windows :S
[22:56] <pietje_phuck> I was impressed by the install though, everything worked, just had to select my monitor after the install as it picked the default monitor
[22:57] <pietje_phuck> psyco: kde yeah
[22:57] <psyco> pietje_phuck: For 4.0 or 4.1?
[22:57] <pietje_phuck> for 3.9
[22:57] <psyco> ah
[22:58] <psyco> Why is the source code link broken :'(
[22:58] <pietje_phuck> Hey this was the easiest install of kubuntu in a long time
[22:58] <psyco> http://www.kde.org/info/info/4.0.71.php
[22:58] <pietje_phuck> was thinking of looking at a new distro after 7.10
[22:59] <pietje_phuck> but this one went smooth, smooth enough to recommend it to windoze users
[23:00] <pietje_phuck> if any of the developers are here, thanx
[23:00] <dwidmann> psyco: blame bill gates
[23:00] <psyco> XD
[23:00] <psyco> well duh ^^
[23:04] <will00> does anyone know why kubuntu displays flickering vertical lines?
[23:12] <yao_ziyuan> how to start adept-manager for upstream packages?
[23:16] <punk> hallo
[23:17] <will00> ey whenever i restart my computer, my im accounts are all reset, and my virtual desktops return to the default (2) rather than the 5 i use
[23:17] <will00> whats the issue with that?
[23:17] <punk> dont know
[23:17] <punk> sorry
[23:18] <punk__> qwertyuiop[]
[23:19] <dwidmann> will00: come to think of it, my KDE4 Kopete reset its accounts once .... I had to set things back up this morning and I don't know why.
[23:19] <will00> this is an issue im havin with pidgin
[23:20] <will00> as well as skype
[23:20] <will00> and keytough
[23:20] <dwidmann> hmm
[23:21] <dwidmann> will00: the flickering lines is probably a video driver issue
[23:21] <jonfhancock> will00: what version of ubutnu and kde are you using?
[23:21] <will00> im using kubuntu 8.04 and the latest kde3
[23:22] <jonfhancock> hmm
[23:22] <punks_not_dead> 2 bomber : hallo
[23:22] <will00> jonfhancock, im using this on a little embedded mini itx, its go sis mirage1 graphics, could that be a problem?
[23:23] <jonfhancock> for your flickering lines, probably
[23:23] <jonfhancock> the other stuff is odd though
[23:23] <jonfhancock> what kind of disk is it?
[23:23] <punks_not_dead> 2 niraj1234 : hi
[23:24] <will00> its just the regular i386 live disk
[23:24] <jonfhancock> ah
[23:24] <jonfhancock> it's not installed on anything?
[23:25] <jonfhancock> you're booting off the live disk every time?
[23:25] <will00> well no, the problem exists on the cf install too, but im tryin different oses, but they all seem to have the same issue
[23:26] <jonfhancock> It may be a problem with retaining information on your cf
[23:26] <jonfhancock> can you install to a usb disk and see if it persists?
[23:26] <will00> but then why would it show up on the live cd too?
[23:26] <will00> ill see
[23:26] <will00> but i dont think i have a usb disk that big
[23:26] <will00> nope i dont
[23:27] <jonfhancock> hmm.  no external drive either huh?
[23:27] <punks_not_dead> 2 will00 if u use liveCd any settings are saved
[23:27] <will00> yes but its got valuable data on it
[23:27] <kubuntu> anyone secssfuly install flyback
[23:27] <jonfhancock> will00: I see
[23:28] <jonfhancock> punks_not_dead: where are those settings saved exactly?
[23:29] <will00> ah i think i found a solution
[23:29] <jonfhancock> will00: cool. what did you find?
[23:29] <will00> http://davidjmoore.com/2008/01/27/how-to-get-the-sis-mirage-1-graphics-chip-to-work-with-ubuntu/
[23:29] <will00> its exactly the same chipset
[23:29] <punks_not_dead> if the system is running from CD settings are saved in some temporary folder
[23:30] <kubuntu> dose "flyback" work on kubuntu
[23:30] <punks_not_dead> but i dont know exactly
[23:32] <kubuntu> who here got GTAV
[23:42] <fly_> howdy folks
[23:43] <john_> what's the reason for wanting the kubuntu dvd over the cd?
[23:43] <cinex> more apps
[23:43] <john_> there a list somewhere?
[23:43] <cinex> probably
[23:45] <fly_> hey, is this the right place for advice on compiz questions in the new Hardy release?
[23:47] <jonfhancock> fly_: I'm still using gutsy, but fairly familiar with compiz
[23:47] <jonfhancock> ask
[23:49] <fly_> ok, I installed Hardy (nice release, BTW) and when I enable the Compiz window manager, I lose my buttons and decorations on my windows. I installed the Emerald manager; is there something I've overlooked?
[23:50] <jonfhancock> fly_: what video card do you haveA?
[23:50] <fly_> Onboard Intel 915 (laptop).
[23:50] <jonfhancock> hmm  that is odd.
[23:51] <jonfhancock> intel's are the only thing I've got compiz working on without pulling hair out first
[23:51] <fly_> I know, because it worked OK with Feisty.
[23:51] <fly_> Is there a package I may be missing or forgot to enable?
[23:52] <jonfhancock> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[23:52] <jonfhancock> and you followed that guide?
[23:52] <jonfhancock> roughtly?
[23:52] <jonfhancock> er.. roughly
[23:54] <fly_> No, I just went by the seat of the pants. I have used Compiz before, and it did something like that a while back, but I forgot how I fixed it (that was Beryl) OK I'll check the link you gave me.
[23:54] <jonfhancock> compiz-kde maybe?
[23:56] <fly_> I DLed almost every Compiz package(except the development stuff) I wonder if i need to actually download some kind of Icon pack for the Emerald themes or something.
[23:56] <jonfhancock> hmm
[23:56] <cinex> fly you want the windows to look pretty?
[23:57] <cinex> fly_:
[23:57] <fly_> Yep, but it's not a big problem
[23:57] <cinex> then yeah emerald themes are the way
[23:57] <cinex> aquamarine ?
[23:57] <cinex> aqua somehting
[23:57] <jhutchins_wk> fly_: Run the window decorator.
[23:58] <jhutchins_wk> Whichever you prefer.
[23:58] <fly_> I like the black glass looking one.
[23:58] <jhutchins_wk> !compiz
[23:58] <silentwind> sup sup
[23:58] <nosrednaekim> !webca,
[23:58] <silentwind> wats going on??
[23:58] <nosrednaekim> !webcam
[23:58] <silentwind> just found this chat stuff
[23:58] <silentwind> wats it going ?
[23:58] <fly_> Right, I did DL and install most all Compiz packages
[23:59] <silentwind> guys , how can i install messnger
[23:59] <SlimeyPete> hi silentwind. This is a support channel. For general chat, try #kubuntu-offtopic.
[23:59] <silentwind> like msn , yahoo
[23:59] <silentwind> ??
[23:59] <SlimeyPete> it's a little bit like that, yes
[23:59] <jhutchins_wk> fly_: That will give you a recipie, including what to run.  I had the decorator crash on me several times when I messed with it, just ran it again.
[23:59] <fly_> J Hutchins:Are you John Hutchins?
[23:59] <nosrednaekim> silentwind: use kopete
[23:59] <jhutchins_wk> fly_: Nope, Jonathan