/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/04/29/#ubuntu-ops.txt

* PriceChild wonders why the -tr's keep hilighting him.00:08
elky_work-tr is turkey?00:08
PriceChildmmhm00:08
elky_workyou've been in their channel long?00:09
PriceChildsome time00:09
LjL*which* of their channels?00:09
elky_workand spoken recently in something other than their language?00:09
PriceChildLjL: i wasn't aware there were more than #ubuntu-tr00:10
elky_workPriceChild, s/-/./00:10
LjLPriceChild: you should check the -irc logs then00:10
PriceChildthat forwards?00:10
elky_workdoes it now?00:10
* robotgeek goes back to #kubuntu to help00:13
ubot5astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu00:35
naliothjussio1: please make your bot identify00:59
gnomefreakJucato: can i get bot in #ubuntu-mozillateam please01:31
Jucatoubot5: join #ubuntu-mozillateam01:31
ubot5Jucato: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)01:31
Jucatothe funny thing is, he joined :)01:32
Jucatos/he/it/01:32
gnomefreakwrong person01:36
gnomefreakdid he?01:36
gnomefreakno not ther ehe didnt01:36
Jucato[Whois] ubot5 is a user on channels: #kubuntu #ubuntu #ubuntu-bleedingedge #ubuntu-mozillateam #ubuntu-ops01:38
elky_workwhich bot gets #ubuntu-au :)01:39
Jucatoelky_work: is it there now?01:40
elky_workaccording to whois it is01:41
elky_workim not in that channel from work, or i'd not get work done01:41
Jucatoheh ok :)01:41
gnomefreakJucato: hes not there afaik01:43
gnomefreakhe is01:43
gnomefreakhmmm01:43
Jucatognomefreak: so which is which? :)01:44
gnomefreakhes there :(01:44
gnomefreaksorry been working my ass off all day01:44
gnomefreaknow its bed time :)01:45
Jucatosweet dreams! :)01:45
gnomefreaknight 01:45
mneptokgnomefreak: please retrieve your ass before leaving.01:45
gnomefreak:)01:45
mneptokit's tough keeping the coyotes away all night.01:46
mneptokcallin' out, in transit ...02:28
tritiummy gosh02:49
jrib!dialup > jrib02:49
jriblies...02:49
jriboh, not lies02:57
jribjussio1: you own ubot5 right?02:57
jribubot5 is not identified so he won't be able to send private messages afaict02:58
ubot5jrib: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)02:58
jribI noticed.02:58
naliothjrib: yes, i've been telling jussio1 this02:59
Hobbseegood morning03:12
Hobbseeseems things blew up over night.03:12
elky_worknot unexpected03:13
elky_workconsidering the current state of things03:13
Hobbseeindeed.  nor hte first, i suspect.03:13
Hobbseeat least it's post-release03:13
elky_workindeed03:13
Hobbseei can't really blame people for not running infrastructure either, after they've quit the team.  i'ts presumably a massive lot of bandwidth.03:21
Hobbseeand there are backup bots, and this has been coming for a long time.03:21
* Hobbsee would also remind anyone reading, now or in future, that this was not an isolated incident, and freenode has become very lax about trolls.03:23
* gnomefreak not even sure if my script still works or what the new rules are about bans ect...04:11
gnomefreakis there anyone that can look up when i need to apply for membership renewal?04:12
Hobbseegnomefreak: you can.04:12
Hobbseegnomefreak: look it up on launcphad.net/~teamname/+members04:12
Hobbseeit has an expiry date04:12
gnomefreakah and i have to add self to agenda?04:13
Hobbseei thought you could auto-renew it04:13
gnomefreakoh sweet04:13
gnomefreakmaybe i still have email will look before freaking04:13
gnomefreakthanks04:13
Hobbseethey email you a week in advance.04:14
gnomefreaki hope it was longer than that :(04:14
gnomefreaki got it 3 weeks ago if its the one im thinking of04:14
Hobbseewell, so did i, since it would have expired the day after i got back from my holiday.04:14
gnomefreakwell i dont see it so ill check memeber page04:16
=== Jucato_ is now known as Jucato
gnomefreakthursday :(04:18
gnomefreaki dont see anything about renewing other than if it laspse you have have it reactivated04:24
elky_workgnomefreak, im sure 'emergency life saving surgery' counts as a valid excuse for not catching it on time04:28
gnomefreakim sure but im home and fairly ok now and im not big on excuses true or not04:29
elky_works/excuse/reason/04:29
gnomefreaknow if i cant get intouch with one of the CC board members than i would say its a good idea04:29
gnomefreakfine line like love and hate good and evil 04:29
gnomefreak:)04:30
elky_workwell, since the CC no longer deal with memberships, more likely poke one of the membership board for the americas04:30
elky_workdont ask me who that is though04:31
gnomefreakhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/StreamlineMembershipApproval doesnt tell me yet04:33
nickrudgnomefreak the last cc has a link to a pastebin with membership board members04:34
gnomefreaki guess ill ping jono or mako abou tit04:34
nickrud*meeting04:34
gnomefreaknickrud: where?04:34
gnomefreakoh metting04:34
gnomefreaklooks like logs are broken04:38
gnomefreakoops thats tomorrow04:38
gnomefreakwhen was last meeting?04:39
elky_worklast week iirc04:39
gnomefreakon the 15th04:42
gnomefreaki found it i think04:42
gnomefreakomg i know most of them :)04:43
gnomefreaknixternal: you happen to be awake?04:43
gnomefreakoh crap04:43
* gnomefreak smacks self hard04:43
gnomefreakelky_work: your one as well04:45
elky_workgnomefreak, apparantly yeah04:45
gnomefreaklol04:45
elky_worki still not had time or brainspace to get back to dholback to say either way04:45
* gnomefreak dissagrees with one person on this list but im not getting to start on that04:46
elky_works/holback/holbach/04:46
gnomefreakah04:46
elky_workgnomefreak, i dare say the one i disagree with also04:46
elky_workand likely for the same reasons04:46
Hobbseei'm surprised the list has gone silent, now04:47
elky_workwhy, how much do i have to wade through when i get home?04:48
gnomefreakeki only saw 2 but had another one from someone i didnt read yet04:49
gnomefreakseveas someguyidontknow and Amarant'h04:49
Hobbseeelky_work: only 5 mails total04:49
gnomefreakgood idea smoke and read emails 04:50
gnomefreaknow that tb3 works finally :)04:50
gnomefreakfound the email05:05
gnomefreaki renewed it alread just on the membership page i thought it was it still expires on thursday05:06
gnomefreakthats odd on renewal you only get 1 year05:10
nixternalgnomefreak: what's up?05:18
Hobbseeguys, can we make sure whichever ubotu is in action now also lands in the development channels?05:28
Hobbseewho owns ubot505:30
jdongjussio1: 05:30
Hobbseejussi01: can you stick it in devland please?05:31
gnomefreakand has bug tracker plugin05:31
gnomefreakyou wouldnt believe how much i need that05:31
mneptokgnomefreak: i have a bot that i think still has a functional bugtracker plugin. but that thing is completely flarked. i asked Seveas for help with it a while ago, and after a while he threw up his hands. if it's working, i dunno how.05:44
* gnomefreak never got my bot running so your better than i05:45
HobbseePriceChild: got the bot running on my server.05:45
naliothjussio1: needs to fix ubot5 first05:46
elky_worknalioth, if ubot5 is not working, it's not worth keeping05:47
naliothelky_work: it's working, just not identifying05:50
elky_workthen it's not really working05:50
JucatoHobbsee: what channels do you need ubot5 to be in?06:53
stdinJucato: the -dev/-motu chans06:54
Jucatohm ok.. but should I wait until nalioth finds ubot5 acceptable? (like having it identify first)06:54
stdinit's already in #ubuntu, so why not in -dev06:55
Jucatoubuntu-devel, kubuntu-devel, ubuntu-motu.. where else (/me is not familiar with all of 'em)06:57
stdinthat should do I think, can always add to more later06:58
Jucatojussio1/jussi01: you will have to ping me later.. I have a big grin on my face right now :)06:58
wgrant#launchpad also usually has it.06:58
stdinyeah, but it won't report bugs though06:59
stdinit will when you give a bug number (I think), but not as they are reported07:00
wgrantAh.07:00
wgrantDamn.07:00
Jucatoyeah07:00
mneptokmunh07:15
mneptoki need to get Beige to install PySQLite07:16
elky_worksqlite sucks :P07:16
mneptokyes it does07:16
tonyyarussowho the heck is Jo-Erlend?07:20
stdintonyyarusso: https://edge.launchpad.net/~joerlend.schinstad07:23
tonyyarussoI've never even heard of that nick...07:24
stdinme either07:24
tonyyarussoseems he's said half a dozen lines now and then, but not much07:26
tonyyarussocertainly doesn't know what's going on07:26
tonyyarussoheya Madpilot 08:21
Madpilothi tonyyarusso 08:21
MadpilotI appear to be missing a lot of soap opera goings-on...08:21
tonyyarussobtw, we've had an offer for another option for ubuntu-ca web hosting if you've given up on Canonical yet.08:21
Madpilothaven't thought about that particular mess in months, actually08:22
Madpilotexcept to note in passing that the 'does rt@ work' thread is still in my inbox...08:22
tonyyarussoIt idles in the back of my brain, kind of like places like #bash and ##php do in irssi.08:22
Madpilotheh08:22
Madpilotlikewise. at random intervals, "I should do something about ubuntu.ca" surfaces. Real life usually depth-charges it back into hiding, though.08:23
tonyyarussoAnyway, I figured that would be your decision to make, so just be aware that a certain Ubuntu member is offering an Ubuntu-running VPS setup that already has Drupal installed, and could get us ssh access (no passwords - SSH keyed) plus speedy responses to any issues we did have.08:24
Madpilotnice08:25
Madpilotsomething to keep in mind. one of these days I'm going to revive the "does rt@ work" thread on -loco and stir more stuff up08:26
* tonyyarusso might be interviewed on NPR about Ubuntu one of these days08:26
tonyyarussoMadpilot: e-mail Mark directly.  I've had about 75% success getting a personal reply reasonably promptly when I've done that, compared to RT's zero.  ;)08:27
Madpilotit might come to that, but as a larger issue, I'd like to prod rt@ into actually being functional08:27
Madpilotor move it back to Launchpad where it belongs08:28
MadpilotI'm still half-convinced that rt@ was set up to hide the fact that Canonical's tech support for loco teams sucks dog bollocks... </cynic>08:29
tonyyarussoagreed, sadly.08:29
DavieyMadpilot: I spoke to elmo last week, they are well aware of the issues - just overworked.  I've been waiting for nearly 3 months for a hole to be punched in the firewall on a canonical server.  An issue with the ubuntu-website, on launchpad is probably near 6 months old... So i don't think LP helps make it more efficient :(08:30
MadpilotDaviey, Ubuntu Canada's been waiting about 16 months now.08:30
Daviey!08:30
Madpilotyes08:30
Madpilotoriginal hosting request made sometime at the end of 2006.08:31
DavieyMadpilot: i'd give jono a chase on that, personally 08:31
MadpilotDaviey, we have - tonyyarusso has, anyway08:31
Davieysad.08:31
tonyyarussoyeah, I believe I talked to him in October and November.08:31
Madpilotwhich year?08:31
tonyyarusso200708:32
ikoniacan someone mute/kick aq - just being a pest, basiclly keeping the channel off topic08:33
ikonia"hi can I join with you"08:33
ikoniaevery few lines in #ubuntu08:33
ikoniahe's been asked multiple times08:33
ikoniaMadpilot: thank you 08:34
tonyyarussoSomeone help me remember that I'm supposed to accept an award at a luncheon tomorrow...08:35
* tonyyarusso totally expects to forget and be mortified08:36
Madpilotis money and/or free booze involved?08:36
ikoniatonyyarusso: at what point would you like prodding08:36
tonyyarussoNo.08:36
tonyyarussoikonia: Approximately 8.5 hours from now.08:37
tonyyarussogah, I should sleep08:37
ikoniatonyyarusso: you've just been cronned08:37
tonyyarussoikonia: thanks :)08:37
emorrishi, is ubotu not always logged in?08:46
tonyyarussoemorris: currently, that is correct, but hopefully will be remedied soonish.08:47
stdinubotu is offline08:47
emorristhanks08:47
Myrttiso, where are we now?08:50
Myrttior do I need to check backlog?08:50
Madpilotapparently the soap opera continues08:52
ikoniawhich one ?08:53
ikoniathere are many08:53
wgrantIt has been a rather unpleasantly exciting past few days.08:53
tonyyarussoMadpilot: say, did your brother end up doing another edition of the Ubuntu Book for Hardy or not?08:54
Madpilottonyyarusso, yes, 3rd ed is coming out sometime08:55
tonyyarussoMadpilot: summerish?08:56
Madpilotnot sure. let me ask08:56
tonyyarusso'k08:57
Madpilottonyyarusso, the illustrious co-author says, "I have no idea, but in the next month or so, I expect"08:58
Madpilotthere you have it08:58
tonyyarussoah, okay08:59
tonyyarussonalioth: you may want to take note of the YVONNE?? quits in #ubuntu just a moment ago - four at a time.09:06
tonyyarussosorry, five09:06
naliothtonyyarusso: might have been having problems09:13
elkbuntutonyyarusso, there were more that quit before that09:19
elkbuntunalioth, no, they come from multiple hostmasks09:19
elkbuntunalioth, with nicks of YVONNE with two random letters attached to the end of that09:20
naliothelkbuntu: they are slowly but surely being removed09:20
naliothso i'm seeing09:20
elkbuntuyes. we both know they wont be gone forever09:20
naliothsomebody likes Yvonne09:22
elkbuntuhmm? k-line already lifted?09:25
PriceChildHobbsee: this is not freenode's problem. Afaik their policy hasn't changed recently. Lets please stop blaming them.09:28
naliothelkbuntu: Yvonne is a cloaked contributor here on freenode09:32
elkbuntuah09:32
naliothbots were a smear09:32
Madpilotlovely]09:32
elkbuntuPriceChild, freenode's inability to deal with cross-namespace trolls, spammers and stalkers is freenode's problem and is wearing really really really really really thin. it is taking an unhealthy toll on all of us. seveas reached his last straw. i advise you to prepare for more people to reach theirs in the near future.09:35
Amaranthwho is Jo-Erlend Schinstad?10:06
naliothAmaranth: /lastlog10:10
Amaranthand I get my own question, what about it?10:10
naliothAmaranth: you can scroll back up and see where this was answered before10:11
naliothor not10:11
naliothor use /lastlog10:11
naliothor w/e10:11
AmaranthOr you could just say the answer?10:11
naliothi don't remember the answer, but i know it was answered10:12
AmaranthBecause "/lastlog Jo-Erlend Schinstad" gives me nothing10:12
wgrantAmaranth: Drop the Schinstad.10:12
popeyhttps://edge.launchpad.net/~joerlend.schinstad10:12
Amaranthwgrant: that didn't work either :P10:12
wgrantWorked for me :(10:13
AmaranthNever heard of this guy's IRC nick either10:13
AmaranthSo I don't see why he thinks he is capable of being in this discussion10:14
naliothmailing lists are for discussion10:15
naliothhe is discussing what has been put there10:15
naliothif you want to discuss on irc, keep it on irc10:15
Myrttiin general view I think this whole thing just sucks big time, and I also think pointing fingers in the current situation doesn't help10:41
Myrttiyes, we need to know who we need to address with the problems, but pointing fingers (almost blindly) isn't the way of doing things.10:43
Myrttiand I agree with the wish of getting the irc council meetings back on the track soon.10:43
elkbuntuMyrtti, we need to find a fifth councillor before that happens, but if this situation continues much longer, you'll be looking for the fourth and third too10:44
MyrttiI do realize that10:45
MyrttiI just hope the fourth and third don't rush into action like the fifth did10:48
elkbuntuMyrtti, depends. my health is priority over everything else, and i've been sick thrice in the past three weeks after not being sick for over a year... so go figure10:50
Myrttielkbuntu: I've got trust in you not to act as rash and un-CoCish10:52
Myrttinote: -ish10:52
elkbuntuMyrtti, i have no infrastructure to take with me10:52
Myrttiand I'm not sure is that a blessing or a curse :-)10:53
elkbuntuMyrtti, i dont think any fewer ops is really seeable as a blessing10:54
MyrttiI ment your lack of infrastructure to take with you10:55
elkbuntudepends if you consider infrastructure the only thing of value10:55
Myrttino, just a means of making sure we don't stand on one peg leg10:56
elkbuntuindeed... and that's about the only thing holding me here10:59
elkbuntuthe extra strain on everyoen else10:59
Myrtti/me hugs everyone in the IRC council10:59
Myrttiwe luvz you10:59
Myrttinot everyone is capable of saying it aloud, so I'm saying it for them11:00
Myrttiif my meager powers can be leashed to help you, just poke me11:00
stdindo we still need +r in #u ?11:02
ikonianalioth: have you got 30 seconds for a quick question ?11:04
* Tm_T hugs everyone in IRC11:12
Tm_Tjust to make sure noone feels left out11:12
elkbuntuTm_T, some people are worth leaving out.11:13
stdindamn floodbots, they aren't sending the "Please register..." messages in -unregged any more11:13
elkbuntuLjL, ping^^11:13
Tm_Telkbuntu: true, but, I don't know if I have right to say who ;)11:13
elkbuntuTm_T, i believe that's unspoken but known11:14
Tm_Telkbuntu: but indeed, some are worth leaving out, me for sure ;(11:14
elkbuntunoooo11:14
* elkbuntu hugs Tm_T11:14
Tm_Thu-man flesh, mmmmmmm ;)11:15
Tm_Tif you still don't believe I'm evil, ask Myrtti, she knows ];=11:16
wgrantTm_T: He-Man flesh? We have a lot of that in #-motu.11:16
Tm_Twgrant: no, hu-mans, they smell funny, though you'll have to get used to it if you stay on planet Earth11:17
wgrantTm_T: I see I have much to learn about this strange planet.11:17
Myrttiyeah, awful person. Selling me laptop with ati, atheros and whatnot for ridiculous price, offering to package me a beta sylpheed...11:17
* Tm_T hides11:18
Myrttidoes anyone have a link to ubotu db?11:21
stdinit was taken down along with the website11:22
Tm_Tstdin: anyone have copy of it then?11:23
Myrttiyes, I know11:23
Myrttijussio1 does11:23
Tm_T;)11:23
Myrttibut anyone else?11:23
Tm_Tyay11:23
Myrttijussi01: ping11:23
jpatrickI think stdin did - at least he had a script for it11:23
jussi01Myrtti: pong :D11:23
Myrtti^11:23
stdinmy last on is from 2008-03-1511:23
jussi01hang on a sec11:23
Tm_Tanyway, I'm off for now, remember to behave kids ->11:23
Myrttiwe're planning to translate it to Finnish11:24
Myrttigetting the db is the first step11:24
MyrttiI'm also making a proposition for the Finnish community to mirror the future ubotu replacement11:25
MyrttiI think it would be a nice gesture from the community of the country of native origin of Linus to officially mirror it11:25
Myrttinot sure how it could be done, but that's something that will be figured out11:26
stdinit's a good month out of date, but http://stdin.me.uk/tmp/ubuntu.db is what I have11:27
stdin~2MB11:27
ubot3Factoid 2mb not found11:27
stdinheh, shutup ubot3 11:27
Davieyi wgetted one last night = 2.2M11:28
stdinthat one would be more up-to-date then11:28
Myrttisynchronize, peeps :-)11:29
Myrttisynchronize!11:30
jpatrickif not, google cache should have one?11:30
Davieyhttp://daviey.mooo.com/~dave/ubuntu.db11:30
stdinI'm not sure google cache data files (except PDF)11:30
Myrttihttp://myrtti.fi/temp/ubuntu.db there11:32
jussio1http://jussi.users.ubuntustudio.org/11:32
jussio1there also11:32
Myrttithere we go11:32
Myrttimore copies we have, the better11:32
jussio1I got that one straight after the email...11:33
elkbuntuyay jussi01 is alive11:33
* jussio1 hugs elkbuntu11:33
elkbuntuis your bot fixed yet?11:33
Myrttiok, were copying it ourselves11:33
jussio1elkbuntu: I havent had time to do anything. I have exams, and a sick wife, as well as my mother is in hospital. sorry. :(11:34
Myrttiso let's figure out how we can help jussio1 11:34
Myrttiwhat is exactly wrong with the bot?11:34
elkbuntuJucato, no prob, just it was like a tease having it here without some of the vitals11:34
Jucatoahem11:34
Jucatojussio1: nalioth requests that you identify ubot5 :)11:35
jussio1ok. I havent actually registered ubot5 nick yet, so need to do that. 11:36
Jucato:P11:36
Myrttijussio1: would it help if there were more people capable of working with ubot5 so you could tend to issues more important?11:37
jussio1Myrtti: yeah, I agree. I can give anyone ownership rights, but no access to the server at this time. 11:38
Jucatojussio1: I'm quite surprised that I can actually make ubot5 join/part channels :)11:39
Jucatothe perks of being misidentified as you11:39
jussio1Jucato: you are on the owners list iirc11:39
Myrttiso are there any eligble, responsible ubuntu ops present who would feel confident handling the bot and don't have any urgent issues currently?11:39
Jucatojussio1: wanna see something funny?11:39
jussio1Jucato: ?11:39
Jucato[18:39] <Jucato> whoami11:40
Jucato[18:39] <ubot5> jussi0111:40
jussio1yeah11:40
Jucato:D11:40
jussio1I know11:40
Jucatoso apparently, I'm you :P11:40
jussio1I just added your hostmask on the owner list. 11:40
jussio1so yes, it thinks you are me11:40
jussio1same with nalioth. 11:40
Jucatolovely :)11:41
Jucatonow I must love you as I love myself11:41
jussio1heh11:41
Myrtti!ping12:11
ubot5ping: unknown host12:11
Myrtti!hardy12:11
ubot5hardy is Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE PRE BETA (ALPHA) SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu12:11
Myrtti*phew*12:11
MyrttiI thought I broke it12:11
Hobbseetonyyarusso: ah, thanks for defending.12:45
HobbseePriceChild: what elkbuntu said.12:47
HobbseePriceChild: their policy has'nt appeared to change.  the staff just don't appear to follow their policy any more.  Why should they not be blamed?12:47
Hobbseejussi01: #ubuntu-motu would also be good12:48
Myrttidid it join?12:49
Hobbseeno12:49
Myrttiubot5: join #ubuntu-motu12:49
ubot5Myrtti: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)12:50
MyrttiI see it is there now12:51
MyrttiHobbsee: ?12:52
Myrttiyeah.12:52
HobbseeMyrtti: ah, yeah, thanks.12:53
HobbseeMyrtti: #launchpad-meeting too12:53
Hobbseeyou can @nick ubotu too, i expect12:53
MyrttiI'm not really that fluent with the bot yet12:53
MyrttiI'm trying hard as I can with all my paid job on the side12:53
Myrttiubot5: @join #launchpad-meeting12:54
ubot5Myrtti: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)12:54
Myrtti*sigh*12:54
Myrttias can be seen12:54
MyrttiHobbsee: I think it's best to leave the nick as it is yet12:55
Myrttithat way people know it's not the original bot and don't expect too much of it12:55
Hobbseefair enough12:55
dawarre13:02
dawarmon disque marche \o/13:02
dawara partir d'une autre distrib /o\13:02
dawarc'est donc un bug sur cette magnifique hardy...13:02
dawaroups13:02
dawardésolé mauvaise fenetre :)13:02
Hobbseeenglish?13:04
dawarwrong windows, sorry13:04
dawar:)13:04
dawarbye13:08
Tm_THobbsee: was my mail on -irc list full nonsense?13:09
Tm_Toh..13:09
HobbseeTm_T: no, it was fine13:10
Tm_Troger, I'm bit "off" so couldnt tell13:11
Kamping_Kaiservoice party again *grin*13:15
Kamping_Kaiseri was wondering if we could have a bot in -server ? i only see ubuntulog13:16
MyrttiI'm not sure how much traffic ubot5 will take13:16
Tm_TMyrtti: I wonder if I could provide a ubot clone too, if needed13:17
Tm_Tin heavy hardware that is13:17
MyrttiTm_T: I'm planning to host one myself13:17
Kamping_KaiserTm_T, hello13:17
Myrttibut that would be better13:17
Tm_TKamping_Kaiser: hi son13:18
Myrttioh well.13:18
Tm_TMyrtti: in kapsi server(s) :)13:18
MyrttiKamping_Kaiser: did it join?13:18
MyrttiTm_T: yeah, that was what I was thinking of13:18
Tm_TMyrtti: if you can do it, I can talk to our staff13:19
popeyI'd happily run an ubotu if needed.13:19
Tm_TMyrtti: I know zero about bots myself13:19
Myrttipopey: I think it would be best if we could have as many clones as possible13:19
popeyok, well, just shout if you need me to set one up13:20
popeyDaviey: we could run it on the ubuntu-uk box?13:20
Tm_TMyrtti: but in kapsi theres plenty of hw power so to speak13:20
Myrttiso we could a) spread the strain on them more evenly, b) have one ready immediately if we need13:20
jussio1hay all13:20
Tm_Tjussio1: hi son13:20
jussio1hey daddy13:20
MyrttiTm_T: I know about zilch about them myself, but I think jussio1 will be happy to help a bit :-)13:20
ikoniaMyrtti: I can give you access to one of my more "grunty" boxes in a DC which your welcome to run a bot from 13:21
Kamping_Kaiserthanks for the bot :) it talks gutsy, but thats probably ok. thanks for getting stuff online so fast.13:21
jussio1Myrtti: jussi01.com is back up :)13:21
* Kamping_Kaiser waves and disapears again13:21
Tm_Theh13:21
Tm_TKamping_Kaiser: nooo13:21
* Tm_T hides13:21
* Hobbsee did!13:22
* Hobbsee throws more worms13:22
Tm_Tiu13:22
popeyMyrtti: who is co-ordinating this effort?13:23
Myrttiit's just me thinking and saying my thoughts aloud13:23
Myrtti:-D13:23
Myrtticommon sence13:23
popey:)13:23
Myrttisense speaking13:23
Hobbsee!register > razel13:26
Hobbsee!register13:26
ubot5By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration13:26
ubot5In ubot5, ikonia said: !no wubi is an unofficial Ubuntu installer for Windows users you should use the wubi version of the ubuntu hardy cd as external sites may not link to current ubuntu versions13:28
Myrtti!wubi13:31
ubot5wubi is an unofficial Ubuntu installer for Windows users - more info is at http://www.cutlersoftware.com/ubuntusetup/wubi/en-US/index.html13:31
MyrttiI can't make any sense of the new suggestion, ikonia 13:31
ikoniaMyrtti: the external wubi sites still download beta versions of hardy 13:32
ikoniawhere as using wubi on the official ubuntu cd's pulls down the correct version13:32
ikoniasomecases it's still the beta, other times it's hardy but with beta wording13:32
Myrttiikonia: add punctuation and capitalization where needed13:33
ikoniaMyrtti: fair enough it was just a content change really, 13:34
ikoniaMyrtti: I'll update now, I may re-wrod a bit to make it more obvious13:34
jussio1NOTICE: Im going to shut down ubot5 for a few mins. brb13:42
jussi01!ping13:49
ubot5ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore13:49
jussi01:D13:50
jussi01!wubi13:50
ubot5Wubi is an Ubuntu installer for Windows users that allows you to install and uninstall Ubuntu like a Windows application, in a simple and safe way. http://wubi-installer.org/support.php for troubleshooting. Please file bugs at http://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug.13:50
jussi01updated db :D13:50
Myrtti<313:51
LjLjussi01: to when?13:52
jussio1yesterday13:52
Jucato!autostart-#kubuntu13:52
ubot5To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory. For a complete guide, see http://jucato.org/kde/kde-autostart.html13:52
Jucatoright :)13:52
LjLah so i'm not the only one with daily cron backup of it13:52
Jucato!info kubuntu-desktop13:57
ubot5kubuntu-desktop: Kubuntu desktop system. In component main, is optional. Version 1.32ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 15 kB, installed size 44 kB13:57
Jucatojussio1: still gutsy13:57
jussio1Jucato: yeah, I know. 13:57
Jucatohm.. ok.. sorry :)13:57
LjLjussi01, they need the "lp" tracker as default bugtracker in #ubuntu-server13:58
jussio1LjL: Ill add you with owner capabilities. I need to run. 13:58
LjLok13:59
Myrttijolly good13:59
jussio1LjL: ask ubot5 whoami13:59
LjL[15:00:02] <LjL> whoami14:00
LjL[15:00:05] <ubot5> ljl14:00
LjL[15:00:08] <LjL> capabilities ljl14:00
LjL[15:00:09] <ubot5> []14:00
jussio1:)14:01
Hobbseeoh, bah, this doesn't support the auth stuff?14:01
LjLit's not all that easy to support14:01
Hobbseei know, PriceChild was having fun with it14:01
Hobbseehe has a working version, on my server.14:01
Hobbseebut that may well not be there forever, for irc stuff14:01
elkbuntuif i could get my hands on seveas right now.... *makes throttling gestures*14:02
Hobbseeelkbuntu: yeah, a time period before they got turned off would have been really nice...14:02
elkbuntuHobbsee, indeed14:02
LjLhe's overreacted, that's pretty clear14:03
LjLnow let's work with what we have14:03
Mezhmm?14:03
Mezwhat happened with Seveas?14:03
elkbuntuMez, dont ask14:03
Myrttihe's gone14:03
Myrttilet it lie at that14:03
Mezwhat channel - I'll read logs14:03
LjLMez, check logs and mail, i think it really does no good to keep talking about stuff14:03
elkbuntuthis one.14:03
LjLthis channel14:03
MyrttiMez: if your looking from irclogs.u, start from yesterday 205814:04
Myrttioh, food would be nice.14:04
LjLjussio1, if you're still there, just pull a quick "config plugins.Bugtracker.snarfTarget lp" please14:05
jussio1done14:06
Mezah, Myrtti my local logs dont cover that - seems someone pulled the plug on me too last night14:06
Myrtti:-/14:06
Myrttigood thing you weren't here14:07
MyrttiI personally was afraid I'd burst an artery in my jugular14:07
elkbuntuMez, woudl you accept 'he cracked' as enough and move on?14:07
MezMyrtti, nah - I wouldnt have been here either way. It's just my client that stays connected and logs things seemed to quit14:08
LjLi'd like to make bazhang an op. he's one of the most active people in #ubuntu currently (yes, #ubuntu, the real channel), has been for a few months. PriceChild, elkbuntu, nalioth?14:08
Mezelkbuntu, I believe I have moved on. I read the logs - I'm not discussing it - I'm bitching that my client got disconnected14:08
elkbuntuLjL, ack14:08
* jussio1 -> gon14:09
LjLhey14:13
LjLwhy are we +r?14:14
LjLseriously, is there a reason, or has someone just forgot it set?14:17
stdinLjL: has been for ~5 hours apparently14:21
LjLok i'll remove it14:22
Amaranthbug 114:49
ubot5Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/114:49
Amaranthgnome bug 4578414:49
Seeker`Is it possible to request an ubot* in -uk?14:50
AmaranthAlright, time to close #ubuntu-release-party14:51
PriceChildLjL: no objections, talked to him much?15:03
LjLno, mostly seen him helping in #ubuntu, although i did ask him if he'd have a problem signing the coc, which he doesn't15:03
PriceChildbtw open week continues in an hour (not now... *thwacks BST*) so please keep an eye on classroom later if you have the time :)(15:03
Seeker`anyone?15:13
LjLSeeker`, i think you need to wait for jussi15:15
Seeker`ok, thanks15:15
Seeker`!logs15:17
ubot5Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/15:17
Myrtti!paste16:20
ubot5pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)16:20
Myrtti*sigh*16:20
LjLuse http://paste.ubuntu.com16:20
Myrtti!no paste is <reply> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)16:23
ubot5I'll remember that Myrtti16:23
Myrtti!paste16:23
ubot5pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)16:23
Myrttiahihi16:24
ikoniaMyrtti: as I was going through the ubotu factoid DB would it be helpful if I went through the new one looked for unacceptable content and also now out of date / in need of update content ?16:26
ikoniaMyrtti: I've still got notes so I imagine a % would still be valid16:26
Myrttiyeah, that would be lovely16:26
Myrttiif you've got them nicely at hand you could send them to me with email16:26
ikoniaok, I'll do that today/tonight. Where is the current factoid db16:26
ikoniaMyrtti: not got at hand, but can certainly type up an email16:27
LjLwhere is it? that's a good question :)16:27
MyrttiLjL: there's plenty of copies16:27
Myrttithough after that one edit I made none of them are up to date ;-)16:27
ikoniaMyrtti: may I suggest 1 copy is selected for update then it can be sidstibuted16:27
ikoniadistributed that shold be16:28
LjLi have nowhere to host mine16:28
ikoniaLjL: would you like somewhere ?16:28
MyrttiI guess jussio1's is the current main one16:28
Myrttisince jussi runs ubot516:28
ikoniaMyrtti: ok, I'll give jussio1 a nudge for an export 16:28
MyrttiLjL: give us the url and we'll download it around16:28
LjLeh...16:29
Myrttiikonia: the latest copy is at http://myrtti.fi/temp/16:29
LjLi said i have nowhere to host it16:29
MyrttiLjL: then toss it into my email16:29
ikoniaMyrtti: and thats jussio1's current copy16:29
Myrttiikonia: - edits done after it was restarted today16:30
LjLMyrtti: well but yours on that site looks recent?16:30
ikoniaMyrtti: ok, I'll get to work on that now16:30
MyrttiLjL: it is16:30
LjLthen it would be fine16:30
LjLi don't have jussi's one16:30
Myrttiok16:31
MyrttiI thought you meant *your* bots16:31
Myrttithey are backed up someplace, right?16:31
Myrttithe code is nice and handy somewhere16:32
LjLMyrtti: my bots?16:32
LjLthe floodbots you mean, or ubotwo?16:33
Myrttiall that you've made changes to16:33
Myrttifloodbots including16:33
MezFloodbots are backed up ;)16:33
Myrttigood.16:34
Myrttijust making sure16:34
Mezwell, FloodBot2 is16:34
Mez:P16:34
LjLi have made no changes to ubotu, except ones that are really just little hacks16:34
LjLmetabot is available16:34
LjLbestbot isn't (big loss)16:34
LjLthe decision about the floodbots is currently to keep them private16:34
MezLjL, which is a good idea to be fair, we dont want people exploiting them16:35
LjLi'm not so sure, but anyway, that's the way it is16:35
Hobbseebestbot?16:35
Mez!best16:35
ubot5Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors. Do NOT take polls in the channel. If you insist on getting people's opinions, ask BestBot in #ubuntu-bots.16:35
LjLHobbsee: #ubuntu-bots16:35
MyrttiLjL: can you think of any way of giving the floodbot sources to the irc council in such a way their source code isn't available to anyone else?16:36
LjLMyrtti: the irc council has the source code16:36
Myrttiencrypted tgz or like16:36
Myrttiare they backed up ;-)16:36
MezMyrtti, I'm also a code-holder for the bots16:36
Mez(Floodbots)16:36
LjLif the irc council felt they'd keep backups of them, then they're backed up :)16:36
MezLjL, they're auto-backed up on my server ;)16:37
Hobbseeahhh16:37
MyrttiI know I might sound annoying, but I really feel we need to really build a system that keeps all the relevant data backed up multiple times over16:37
Myrttiso please smack me if I start to sound too paranoid and/or annoying16:37
Hobbseethat must be launcphad to the rescue :P16:37
MezPut simply, we need canonical to take the IRC efforts seriously and provide stable hosting for the IRC tools and utilities we use16:38
Myrttiyeah16:38
Myrttiwhile waiting for it we need to work it out without them16:38
Mezok, on 3, everybody slap Jono :P16:39
MyrttiIf Canonical doesn't feel to pitch in, I've got a few guesses on some Finnish communities that might want to help16:39
Mez* jono :No such nick/channel <-- darn16:40
Myrttis/feel/feel like/16:40
Myrttior whatever16:40
Myrttimy former employer might be one, FLUG one, Kapsi ( Tm_T ;-D ) one16:40
LjLMyrtti, the floodbots get changed constantly, and also, they're on *three* different machines, located in three quite different parts of the world16:41
LjLi'd say they're backed up16:42
MyrttiLjL: ok, that relieves my paranoia a bit16:42
MyrttiI feel like there's pressure building up in my head16:45
Myrttidid I remember to take my meds this morning?16:45
Myrttino16:45
Myrtti-->16:45
LjLsomeone should take over in -classroom if holbach keeps going in ten minutes from now (although i'd say he manages fine anyway)16:47
ikoniaMyrtti: should that database by sqlite 2 or 316:51
ikoniait's showing up as 2, but for some reason I was confident it was 316:51
* Mez is half busy - but helping out. If anyone wants to take over in -classroom, feel free16:58
* Seeker` wonders which half of Mez is busy16:59
MezThe right16:59
mneptoki cannot speak for my employer, but i am personally investigating hosting for an ubotu replacement.17:09
mneptoki'm waiting on the machine admin installing pysqlite to allow factoid use.17:09
mneptokpersonally, what we need are Python folks fixing things like the Bugtracker module.17:12
Mezsomeones gonna need to talke over from me soonish, I'm gonna be heading out into the rain17:16
ikoniaMez: it's like a tropical storm at the moment17:19
Mezikonia, I think it's stopping here to be fair ...17:19
ikoniaMez: hopefully it will drift up to me17:19
ikoniaas in the stopping17:20
* Mez cant remember where you are ikonia 17:20
ikoniaBath 17:20
ikoniabut I'm in reading at this exact moment17:20
Mezbut yeah, bout half an hour ago, it was a tropical rainstorm17:20
Mezikonia, my UK geography is crap - I know where reading, London and Birmingham are ;)17:20
ikoniaMez: I gave you the reading hint l)17:21
ikonia;)17:21
MezI know it's north17:21
Mezthats about all I know17:21
Mez :P17:21
Seeker`Bath in just south of the M417:22
Seeker`near bristol17:22
MezSeeker`, read above17:22
Mez<Mez> ikonia, my UK geography is crap17:22
ikoniaMez: between reading and birmingham ;)17:22
* Mez has no idea where the M4 or bristol is17:22
Seeker`Mez: You are in Reading?17:22
MezSeeker`, yes17:22
Seeker`the M4 runs through reading17:22
mneptokMez: where are you from originally?17:23
Seeker`it carries on heading in that direction until it is well into Wales17:23
MezSeeker`, I don't drive.17:23
Mezmneptok, Birmingham17:23
* mneptok blinks17:23
Seeker`Mez: The M4 starts in london, and heads straight through reading17:23
Mez(Birmingham, UK)17:23
MezSeeker`, thanks - I'll try and remember that17:23
mneptokand your UK geography is crap? hell, your whole country is like one of our states! :P17:23
* mneptok beeps Mez's nose17:23
Mezo_O17:24
Myrttimneptok: it's the density17:24
Mezmneptok, yeah I know - my geography in general sucks17:24
mneptokMyrtti: yeah, i here complaints of that a lot regarding Midlands folks >:)17:24
Myrtti>:-D17:24
Mezmneptok, lol17:25
mneptokMez: i know UK geography better than you. as a trade-off, i often forget to wear pants, and lose my car keys daily. your call on what path you want. ;)17:25
MyrttiI know where Liverpool, Blackpool and London are17:25
Mezmneptok, doint forget to wear clothes, but... lose everything all the time, can walk up the stairs or into another room and forget what I went there fro17:26
Myrttiand I know which is Wales and which is Scotland :-P17:26
mneptokBlackpool moves depending on who you talk to.17:26
stdinI'd rather be wearing pants not knowing where I am than not wear pants but knowing where I am17:26
mneptokif you ask a Lancastrian, they'll say, "Can't we move that to Wales?"17:26
Mezstdin, lol17:27
ikoniaMyrtti: !forget liverpool17:28
MyrttiMy workwear today has been: longsleeved SuSE t-shirt and pink H&M boxers.17:28
Myrttioh and socks.17:29
ikoniaMyrtti: I hope your working from home17:29
Myrttihow'd you guess ;-)17:29
mneptokyou're Finnish?17:30
Myrttiyeah17:30
mneptokbeing out in public dressed like that is like the Finnish national nightmare.17:30
* Mez was thinking that too17:30
Myrttimneptok: it is17:30
mneptokit's almost as bad as smiling where someone might see you.17:30
MyrttiI wish my webcam would work17:30
MyrttiI don't know how to make it work17:31
* Mez needs to read more than one line at a time17:31
Myrttithen youd see me smiling17:31
mneptokMyrtti: are you a Swedish-Finn?17:31
Myrttinope, though I do speak swedish and actually enjoy it17:32
ikoniaquery can ubotu read sqlite3 ?17:32
ikoniaor ubot5 I should say17:32
mneptokmaybe that's enough to lower the "smiling on webcam" resistance17:32
Myrttinot that I've had that many chances17:32
Myrttiit's either that or that I'm a Leo :-P17:33
mneptokbecause if you're willing to let the world see you smile, and you're in Finland, you're: a). a swedish-finn | b). sami | c). a tourist | d.) drunk17:33
mneptokand it's too early to be drunk, even for Finns17:33
Myrttitomorrow is may day eve17:34
Myrttieverybody should be piss drunk by this time tomorrow17:34
MyrttiI know few of my colleagues started on Saturday17:34
mneptokthose IV drips take a while to kick in ...17:34
* Mez is no longer active in -classroom17:36
MyrttiI'm the invisible pink unicorn anyway17:36
Myrttiso I might break some rules while at it17:36
MyrttiFemale feminist Finn using Xubuntu, a greenvalued INFJ at the heart, loves bash, sed, latex and emacs, used to know too much about overclocking hardware and knits.17:39
Myrttibesides, smiling for a webcam is so much safer than smiling outdoors17:39
Myrttinobody's intrested in webcams anyway17:39
MezMyrtti, I dunno - I've seen a few interesting things on webcams before17:40
ikoniaok, an opinion, I'd like to remove the bug1 information from the !windows response.17:44
ikoniaam I being too picky ?17:44
Myrttiyes17:46
ikoniaok17:46
ikonia!disks17:46
ubot5Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in !GNOME under !Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For !Edgy and later, see !fstab and !DiskMounter17:46
Myrttithat's about the only pricky thing I'd allow the factoids have about windows17:46
Myrttiits a bug submitted by sabdfl so it's more or less an official statement17:47
ikoniano no, I appriciate that, I'm just thinking of a.) provocotive, b.) not really called for when someone has mistakenly asked for something "windows" related17:48
ikoniaI'm not arguing the content, more a case of needed info in a factoid and the potential for provocation17:48
Myrtti!windows17:49
ubot5For discussion and help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and /msg ubotu equivalents17:49
MyrttiI'd suffle and reword it a bit17:50
Myrttinot sure what the better version would be17:50
ikoniaok, I'll ponder and show you the updates17:50
ikoniaI think it can be a version of !vista17:52
ikonia!vista17:52
ubot5Vista is a recent version of Microsoft Windows. Discussion on Windows related topics is available in ##windows. General issues on moving from Windows to Ubuntu is convered in the the wiki guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwitchingToUbuntu/FromWindows17:52
Myrttiit just might be a good idea to have some sort of review on the mailing list17:52
ikoniaeg: windows help is here, if you want to move - check out this url17:52
ikoniawell, my suggestion would be to put publish the updates for review comment/critisism 17:52
Myrttiyeah17:52
ikoniaI've got rid of a few of the obvious outdated stuff17:53
* pricechi1d finds out painfully that for some reason one of his special characters doesn't travel across from a different machine's ssh tunnel well, making ssk key useless.17:53
Myrttithose I think I can hack into ubot5 without any review17:53
MyrttiI just had about five hours long visit at our loco teams own core channel17:55
ikoniaI'm about %40 through the db file, so I'll finish up ASAP and send it back17:55
Myrttithey were more intrested in playing teeworlds than in localisation of ubotu17:55
Myrttiand more intrested in localisation of teeworlds.17:55
MyrttiI felt like my head was exploding17:56
MyrttiI'm becoming too old and grumpy17:56
ikonia!synical17:56
ubot5Factoid synical not found17:56
ikoniaperhaps it should ;)17:56
Mezikonia, it's started again here... and I gotta go home in a sec :(17:57
ikoniaMez: it's here also17:58
ikoniaxmms is gone from hardy yes/no17:58
ikoniaI can't see it in the repos17:58
jussio1ikonia: gone afaik17:59
ikoniawhat was the name of the app that was built on the same base, but not xmms17:59
ikoniathere is a factoid recommending xmms, but if it's now gone, should perhaps put in an alternative18:00
Myrtti!audio18:00
ubot5If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP318:00
Myrttiikonia: audacious, beep-media-player18:00
ikoniaaudacious it is, already got beep18:00
MezSomeone to -classroom pleasE?18:01
* Mez is outta here18:02
Myrttioooo webcam works18:02
Mezlol @  Myrtti 18:02
mneptokLjL: meep18:03
ikoniawhat is fujistu's new nick18:05
ikoniawant ?18:05
ikoniawent ?18:05
mneptokwgrant18:05
ikoniata18:05
* mneptok completes the summoning with a chicken18:05
jussio1ikonia: there is xmms 2...18:06
Mezikonia, sudo apt-get install xmms218:07
* gnomefreak wonders how people go from on topic to something totally off the wall not even close to topic 18:07
jussio1gnomefreak: people are random...18:09
gnomefreaki see18:09
gnomefreakbrb18:09
ikoniajussio1: Mez I did think about xmms2 but it's not really like xmms so it seems a bit miss-leading18:11
Myrttiit is18:11
Mezo_O18:11
ikoniaquery, peoples opinions on having the bot remember "facts" about people18:27
ikoniaeg:18:28
ikonia!hobbsee18:28
ubot5I phear the stick so shhhhh18:28
ikoniais that sort of thing wanted, or should it be cleared out ?18:28
jussio1!hobbsee | ikonia18:30
ubot5ikonia: I phear the stick so shhhhh18:30
ikonia....is that a hint ?18:30
ompaulwell the question is what is the stick ;-) it is at this stage a very old joke18:30
ikoniaI was only using that one as an example18:30
ompauljokes really don't need to be there to be honest18:30
ikoniaI'm querying as ubotu is being re-implimented should it be cleared out of the "gag" stuff and just "factoid stuff"18:30
ompaulbut they add some life to -ot18:31
ompaulthen again should the bots be used for that18:31
ikoniaas house keepings going on, seemed a good time to ask the question18:31
ikoniaompaul: hence why I'm stuck/querying others18:31
ompaulnot given the amount of traffic they incur it all adds up18:31
jussio1it should be !hobbsee-#ubuntu-offtopic18:31
nalioth<ahem> !registerthebot18:31
jussio1or we should have a dedicated -offtopic bot18:31
ompaulwho owns the bot?18:32
jussio1nalioth: currently we have some technical difficulties with that. its registered, but doesnt want to identify :/18:32
jussio1me..18:32
ikoniajussio1: do you want your name mentioned in the "owner" factoid, as I've put owned and managed by the ubuntu name space irc operators18:33
ikonia(paraphrasing_18:33
ompaulblame the ops - reasoning is this: if it fails to work one of the others who share the backend will be called into service18:34
jussio1ikonia: thats fine. I dont care about it,but you can put whatever seems right. possiibly its a good idea for contact purposes18:34
ompauljussi01, the ops will know who 18:34
mneptokjussio1: did you check out the existing ubotu code from Launchpad?18:34
ikoniajussio1: I can include you, I thought putting in the -ops channel meant there would be $someone available to deal with a bot query18:34
jussio1fyi, hobbsee has shell access to the machine also18:34
ompaulack18:34
jussio1ikonia: perfect. 18:34
ikoniaso if I can return to your thoughts on the !people or !fun factoids ?18:35
mneptokikonia: please don't put a lot of effort into things now?18:36
ikoniamneptok: I'm just having an update/clear out of the DB, 18:36
ikoniait seemed like a good time as I was %50 through before ubotu went18:36
jussio1ikonia: dont think they really matter atm, until I have enough time to get to the bot. like tomorrow. 18:36
mneptokikonia: oh, the existing db?18:36
ikoniamneptok: yes, 18:37
mneptokikonia: add nothing about owner info.18:37
ikoniajussio1: I'll leave them in, can always be removed later, although it's always easier to "mass" clean as minor things get forgot about18:37
mneptokikonia: as clearly that is not settled. keep things like who to contact, who to ask about, yadda ... to a minimum18:37
ikoniamneptok: I'll paste the exact line18:37
ikoniaI didn't think seaves would want to get pinged about it18:38
mneptokikonia: no need. if you are cleaning, clean out contact info about anyone.18:38
jussio1I would just say contact #ubuntu-ops18:38
mneptokjussio1: i think that is even pushing it.18:39
jussio1there are enough people who know about it in here.18:39
ikoniaThis bot is owned & operated by IRC operators for the ubuntu namespace. For any questions regarding it please join #ubuntu-ops and ask18:39
jussio1mneptok: why?18:39
mneptokIRC Council? CC?18:39
mneptokops? individuals?18:39
ikoniaperhaps the word "owned" should be removed18:39
mneptoknone of that has settled in the dust. and it will have to.18:39
jussio1yeah18:40
ikoniaand just "operated"18:40
ikoniaI would hate to cause offence to seaves18:40
ikoniaupdated18:40
mneptokjust remove it. factoids can be added again later.18:40
ikoniafair enough 18:40
mneptokit's far easier to what what happens and add factoids than edit the entire db again.18:42
mneptokwhat what?18:42
mneptoki need more coffee. or less.18:42
jussi01whois ubot5 18:42
jussi01oops18:42
ompaulmneptok, as someone said - no more coffee for me I am getting palpitations, I told them they obviously had not got the heart for it ....18:43
ompauldum dee dum18:43
mneptokwell, nothing's buting through my chest wall yet, so ...18:43
mneptok*busting18:43
ompaulit may be abutted to your chest wall though .....18:44
* ompaul hands mneptok some number 5 coffee18:44
gnomefreakyay bug plugin go ubot5 :)18:49
ikonia!pastebin18:49
ubot5pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)18:49
gnomefreak!botsnack18:49
ubot5Yum! Err, I mean, APT!18:49
gnomefreakyay18:49
* gnomefreak goes off for a happy smoke18:50
ikoniaok, the pastebin is gone too18:50
jdongpaste.ubuntu.com's always aroung...18:50
ikoniathat was my next question18:50
ikoniawell pre-empted18:50
ikoniamay want to check the topic in #ubuntu and others for that too18:51
ikoniaMyrtti: http://alesi.projecthugo.co.uk/ubuntu-factoid-db.bz218:54
gnomefreakoh that sright18:54
gnomefreakthats*18:54
Myrttiikonia: I'll look it over when I've got the time18:54
ikoniaMyrtti: no problem. 18:55
Myrtti!paste18:56
ubot5pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)18:56
gnomefreakthat link works fine18:56
Myrttigoah, I can't remember how an alias was done18:56
Myrtti!forget pastebin18:56
ubot5I'll forget that, Myrtti18:56
gnomefreaklooks like whats wrong with  http://paste.ubuntu.com/18:57
Myrtti!pastebin is <alias> !paste18:57
ubot5Myrtti: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)18:57
Myrttihjääääällp18:57
ikoniaMyrtti: paste is an alias of pastebin18:57
ikonianot the other way around18:57
gnomefreakthat should do it18:58
ikonia!paste18:58
ubot5pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)18:58
ikoniasee it's updated18:58
gnomefreakwho fixed it?18:58
MyrttiI did?18:58
gnomefreakno18:58
gnomefreaklol18:58
gnomefreaknot in here18:58
Myrtti!pastebin18:59
ubot5Factoid pastebin not found18:59
ikoniaooooh18:59
gnomefreakoh thats not good18:59
Myrtti!unforget pastebin18:59
ubot5I suddenly remember pastebin again, Myrtti18:59
gnomefreaksweet18:59
Myrtti*shrug*18:59
Myrtti!pastebin18:59
ubot5pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)18:59
ikonia???18:59
gnomefreakunforget works18:59
ikoniathe db you sent me has paste and flood as an alias to pastebin19:00
MyrttiI didn't know which way it was19:00
Myrtti:-P19:00
Myrttiso I fixed the first factoid that was complained about19:00
MyrttiX-D19:00
gnomefreakthe new one is first the one you want it to use is last19:00
gnomefreak!paste19:01
ubot5pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)19:01
gnomefreakyep its linked right this time19:01
Myrttino it's not19:01
ikoniapaste now appears to be it's own factoid19:01
Myrttiyeah well the factoid's link is correct19:01
gnomefreakyes it is !paste is reading from !pastebin19:01
Myrttino it's not19:01
Myrtti!pastebin19:01
ubot5pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)19:01
Myrttidifferent, see19:01
gnomefreakoh19:01
Myrttidifferent factoids19:01
gnomefreaki see 19:01
gnomefreaklink pastebin to paste than19:02
MyrttiI would if remembered the syntax19:02
gnomefreak!pastebin is <alias> paste19:02
ubot5gnomefreak: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)19:02
Myrtti!forget pastebin19:02
ubot5I'll forget that, Myrtti19:02
* tonyyarusso high-fives gnomefreak over health-induced opping breaks19:02
gnomefreakthere you go19:02
Myrtti!pastebin is <alias> paste19:02
ubot5Myrtti: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)19:02
* gnomefreak high-fives tonyyarusso back19:02
Myrtti/me smacks forehead19:02
Myrtti!pastebin19:02
ubot5Factoid pastebin not found19:02
gnomefreakwe dont have editors anymore?19:03
tonyyarussoThere should be a rule - no op is allowed to be healthy for more than 24 consecutive months.19:03
gnomefreakor was that bot not DB19:03
gnomefreaklol i can go for that19:03
MyrttiI've got no idea what you're talking about19:03
gnomefreakMyrtti: one thing at a time ;)19:03
Myrtti!no pastebin is <alias> paste19:04
ubot5I know nothing about pastebin yet, Myrtti19:04
Myrttistjuuuupid bot19:04
gnomefreakin thorey it should work with alias now19:04
Myrtti!unforget pastebin19:04
ubot5I suddenly remember pastebin again, Myrtti19:04
gnomefreakubot5: make up your mind would ya19:04
ubot5gnomefreak: Error: "make" is not a valid command.19:04
ubot5gnomefreak: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)19:04
* gnomefreak was far from thinking that :)19:05
Daviey!botabuse | gnomefreak 19:05
ubot5gnomefreak: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids.19:05
Daviey:)19:05
gnomefreakDaviey: he abused himself first19:05
MyrttiI'm getting a headache19:05
gnomefreak:)19:05
Davieygnomefreak: without photo's, no abuse took place.19:05
jdongwhy does the bot encourage avoiding adding KDE factoids19:05
Myrtti/me goes back to build Myrtti cam19:06
jdong*puts on big flamesuit and runs*19:06
gnomefreakjdong: hes avoiding pastebin too19:06
* gnomefreak needs to wrap head around schroot since dchroot doesnt like me anymore19:07
ompaulfakerbakeroot19:08
naliothlordriddleyspie19:11
tonyyarussotreeroot?19:14
ikoniarootbeer19:14
Myrttifor crying out loud19:15
ubot5ikonia called the ops in #ubuntu19:17
ompauljcastro, mind if I pm?19:37
jcastroompaul: sure19:38
ompaul!logs19:43
ubot5Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/19:43
AmaranthShould canonical hostmasks have access in classroom?20:05
AmaranthI think yes20:05
AmaranthIt's not like we're being stingy with access there, all ubuntu members get access already20:06
MyrttiAHHAHHAH20:07
Myrttithe cam works20:07
ikoniaMyrtti: can we change the !help factoid - on a temporary basiss20:10
ikoniasomething along the lines of "I'm being updated/transitioned at the moment, my database will be back to working order shorlty" and remove teh ubuntu-nl link20:11
ikoniathe !help and !bot factoids please20:12
ikonia(they are linked It hink )20:12
ikonialinked20:12
Myrttiwhich is which?20:13
ikonialooking20:13
ikoniaMyrtti: the factoid is ubotu20:14
ikoniaMyrtti: both are linked to that20:15
Myrtti!ubotu20:15
ubot5I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots20:15
ikonialots wondering why it's out of sync and where ubotu is - so just a maintaince style message would help a lot20:16
MyrttiI think there was a good answer in the old ubot5 database20:17
MyrttiI can't remember it though20:17
Myrttino ubotu is <reply> I am ubot5, standing in for ubotu while he's getting his haircut done, updated and transitioned to his new looks in the near future20:20
ompaulhahahaha20:21
ompauldoes humour belong in bots - you bet it does20:21
ubot5In #kubuntu, DASkreech said: !KDE is KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop », or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE) . Latest KDE version is 3.5.9 in Hardy, 3.5.8 for Gutsy and Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org) for more information.20:21
ompaulperhaps saying something like20:22
ompaulI have no brain to browse at the moment20:22
ompaul can anyone fix this? <ubot5> ompaul: Error: "is" is not a valid command.20:25
ompaul<ubot5> ompaul: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)20:25
ikoniaompaul: doesn't that only work with !no20:25
ikonia(I'm reading the code at the moment)20:25
ompaulikonia, the call I made on the bot was: ompaul> ubot5 is getting an education - not all factoids are in there yet20:27
ompaulthen it got stroppy ;-)20:28
ikoniaompaul: where you trying to teach the bot that factoid or just messing around ;)20:28
ompaulI was passing a comment i20:30
ompaulit should only throw one error message was what I was thinking20:30
ikoniaah20:30
ompauli.e. if not valid 20:30
ikoniaI thought you where trying to train it20:30
ompaultell me to browse brain20:30
ompaulna20:30
ompaulI wouldn't have the skillz20:30
ompaul:P20:30
ikoniayou are l33t20:30
ompaulsomeone in -devel was looking for it so I did !ubotu and then was explaining what went on and it barfed that at me ;-)20:31
ikoniaah20:31
Myrtti!no ubotu is <reply> I am ubot5, standing in for ubotu while he's getting his haircut done, nose powdered, updated and transitioned to his new, gorgeous looks in the near future20:32
ubot5I'll remember that Myrtti20:32
Myrtti!no ubotu is <reply> I am ubot5, standing in for ubotu while he's getting his haircut done, nose powdered, updated and transitioned to his new, gorgeous looks in the near future ;)20:32
Myrtti!ubotu20:33
ubot5I am ubot5, standing in for ubotu while he's getting his haircut done, nose powdered, updated and transitioned to his new, gorgeous looks in the near future ;)20:33
Myrtti!ubotu > nanonyme20:33
Myrtti!bot20:34
ubot5I am ubot5, standing in for ubotu while he's getting his haircut done, nose powdered, updated and transitioned to his new, gorgeous looks in the near future ;)20:34
ompaulwhats the kde gksu thing?20:39
mneptokkdesu20:39
ompaulthanks20:39
Myrtti[22:42] < rodserling> I heard seveas' hair created so much static, he  electrocuted himself and now is vacationing in australia20:42
ompaulargh20:42
* ompaul gives up20:42
Myrttithey start to sound like @bauerisms20:42
Myrttior...20:43
Myrttinow what was that...20:43
Myrttioh well.20:43
ompaul @myrtti - it is said that if you utter her name withing an irc channel with a spelling difference of no more than four characters she knows ;-)   20:45
Myrttihehe20:45
Myrtti!o4o20:47
ubot5Some things are inappropriate for #ubuntu-ops. Controversial topics, which always turn into flame wars: war, race, religion, politics, gender, sexuality, drugs, questionable legal activities, suicide are not for here. Microsoft software in ##windows (Please note Freenode Policy)20:47
Myrtti!offtopc20:47
ubot5Factoid offtopc not found20:47
Myrtti!offtopic20:48
ubot5#ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!20:48
Myrttishould we put him in -ot?20:48
Myrttiompaul: ^20:50
MyrttiI think we should20:52
Myrttijussio1: 20:53
ompaulI think we should20:54
ompaul!o4o20:54
ubot5Some things are inappropriate for #ubuntu-ops. Controversial topics, which always turn into flame wars: war, race, religion, politics, gender, sexuality, drugs, questionable legal activities, suicide are not for here. Microsoft software in ##windows (Please note Freenode Policy)20:54
naliothbefore we get much further, we need to figure out where to put the db so it's publically available20:55
naliothso that ubotwo and ubot3 can by in sync20:55
* jussio1 walks in for a moment21:02
jussio1nalioth: I can put the db on jussi01.com21:02
jussio1tomorrow, when I have a little time to look at all this21:03
jussio1nalioth, its there now.  http://jussi01.com/ubuntu.db21:08
Myrttinow also at http://myrtti.fi/temp/ubuntu.db21:10
jussio1Myrtti: the jussi01.com one will always be up to date, as its the actual one in use. 21:11
Myrttijussio1: always?21:11
Myrttiie. hotlink?21:11
jussio1Myrtti: yep21:11
Myrttieeeexcelllent21:11
Myrtti/me rubs her hands together21:12
Myrttiso now people can set up cronjobs to download snapshots21:12
jussio1:D21:13
Myrttiwhut :-P21:14
naliothyes, i've been running a cronjob that synced with seveas' db21:22
tonyyarussoSay, anyone know approx. when repos open for Intrepid?22:08
LjLnalioth, ubotwo won't be in sync with anything unless i find out why it starts thrashing my box22:10
LjLi just started it because some channels needed coverage and other bots weren't around22:10
tonyyarussoLjL: If you do, let me know.  My supybot occasionally jumps to 100% CPU as well, but not right away.22:12
LjLtonyyarusso, also fills messages.log with exceptions?22:12
Myrttido I get that kind of wrinkles to my forehead? funny22:14
tonyyarussoLjL: haven't looked.22:15
* jussio1 walks in22:18
=== ubot5 is now known as ubottu
jussi01ok, ubottu is identified and sorted :D22:27
jussi01nalioth: ^22:28
Jucatojussi01: how do I add a factoid (in PM and in public)?22:28
MyrttiJucato: hugs and kisses for me22:28
jussio1Jucato: the same as normally... !factoid is bleh22:28
MyrttiJucato: then I might do it ;-)22:28
Myrttijussio1: you ruined it22:29
Myrtticurse you22:29
jussio1sorri :/22:29
Jucatojussio1: and in private?22:29
JucatoMyrtti: better luck next time :P22:29
Jucato!gestures-#kubuntu is <reply> KDE has a built-in support for mouse gestures. See http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3086781.0 for a quick howto22:29
ubottuJucato: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)22:29
jussio1Myrtti: I had to load a plugin to dothe identify.. fyi22:29
jussio1Jucato: drop the reply, you need to add that after22:30
Jucatoah ok :)22:30
jussi01stupid supybot bug22:30
Jucatoheh :)22:31
Myrttijussio1: so I could've done it only if I had found the correct plugin to load?22:31
jussio1yes22:31
Myrttijussio1: or did you have to download it22:31
jussio1Myrtti: no, it was there all the time22:32
jussio1its called, suprisingly, Services :D22:32
MyrttiI did load it.22:32
jussio1no you didnt... or you unloaded it..22:32
Myrtti[15:19] <Myrtti> @load Services22:33
Myrtti[15:19] <ubot5> The operation succeeded.22:33
jussio1meh, I dont know then22:33
jussio1I had to load it again. and then do some funky stuff22:33
Myrtti*sigh*22:33
jussio1and now it loves me22:33
Myrttiif I paste the URL to the Myrtti cam, the whole world will /. my site.22:36
ompaulMyrtti, no just this channel initially 22:36
ompaulMyrtti, then -ot22:36
Myrttithen the whole world22:36
ompaulok22:36
MyrttiI knowz it22:37
ompauland then we gzip the path and it gets there22:37
Myrttithe url is very difficult to guess anyway22:37
Myrttisince it appends cam22:37
cheeseboyanyone in here forum staff?22:37
LjLmaybe22:37
Myrttiperhaps22:37
LjLalthough #ubuntuforums might give you better luck, too22:38
cheeseboy:/22:38
jussio1cheeseboy: seriously, #ubuntuforums is the place22:38
ompaul!envy22:40
ubottuenvy is an unsupported tool to install newer versions of binary video drivers than provided by the official repositories. Use at your own risk, and remember that the latest version is not necessarily the "best". See « /msg ubotu binarydriver »22:40
ompaulis it replying to msg yet22:41
jussio1ompaul: should be22:41
jussio1its now identified22:41
Myrtti!envyng22:41
ubottuFactoid envyng not found22:41
ompauljussi01, I see messages from none identified people22:42
Myrttiompaul: but still, it is identified22:42
Myrtti!envy > ompaul22:42
jussio1ompaul: just worked for me...22:42
ompaul>ubotu< envy     <<   no reply22:42
jussio1its 2 t's22:42
ompaulahhhhhhhhhh22:42
jussio1:)22:42
Myrttiagain one factoid that needs to be changed22:43
ompaulthe bots name has changed22:43
* ompaul scratches his head22:43
Myrttiwell the thing is22:43
Myrtti!bot22:44
ubottuI am ubot5, standing in for ubotu while he's getting his haircut done, nose powdered, updated and transitioned to his new, gorgeous looks in the near future ;)22:44
Myrttijussio1: you're ruining it all now, arent ya22:44
Myrtti;-)22:44
jussio1oh... you poor thing... :P22:45
jussio1!info supybot hardy22:45
ubottusupybot: robust and user friendly Python IRC bot. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.83.2-2 (gutsy), package size 488 kB, installed size 2948 kB22:45
jussio1:D22:45
LjLrobust22:46
jussio1I need to change it to point at hardy repo...22:46
LjLuser friendly22:46
LjLsorry if i don't laugh22:46
LjLbut i'm too busy laughing22:46
jussio1LjL: lol22:46
Myrttiyou make my face wrinkly22:47
LjLMyrtti: it's the second time you say that... what can i do if i can result in no change to your face - i try22:51
LjLok look22:52
LjLi need to restart the floodbots22:52
LjLpastebin doesn't exist anymore, for a start22:52
jussio1oh... ouch22:52
LjLbut the floodbots have had some relatively heavy upgrades since they were last started22:52
Myrtti/me remembers a proverb about those slick italians wooing every blond nordic girl around22:52
LjLso please help me keeping an eye22:52
LjLMyrtti, i'll try to find some for you22:53
LjLno guarantees22:53
Myrttiawwww22:53
Myrttimake sure they use emacs instead of vim22:53
LjLew, you're restricting the field22:53
LjLyou're talking about italians22:54
* jussio1 huggles Myrtti... no shes mine! :P :P22:54
LjLi mean, they came to terms with typewriters22:54
PriceChildcheeseboy: still looking for someone?22:54
LjLbut that was recently22:54
cheeseboyPriceChild, ya forum staff22:54
PriceChildcheeseboy: uu you are in #ubuntuforums, lets talk there22:54
Myrtti/me pats cheeseboy gently on the tush. Off you go now22:56
ompaul!idle 22:57
ubottuPlease keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only, and we ask you to part when you have no further business here, in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries.22:57
ompaulwow22:57
ompaulthat is there22:57
ompaul;-)22:57
LjLno, that wasn't intended22:59
PriceChildMyrtti: you use 'tush'?22:59
PriceChildI think I need to be modifying my theme to add a separate statusbar..23:01
PriceChildI'm giving jussio1 access in here so he can mute/unmute bots if need be.23:07
tonyyarussomakes sense23:07
Myrttianyways23:09
Myrttitis /cam/23:09
Myrttithough now it only shows a picture of my bed and desk23:09
Myrttiperhaps tomorrow mez and mneptok can see a smiling Finn too23:09
jussio1ok, Im off to bed. good night all!23:10
Myrttinightey23:10
jussio1PriceChild: thanks. thats great.23:10
ompaulnight jussi01 23:11
ompaulgood work people - nice to see a bit of focus on a really productive thing23:11
naliothPriceChild: the bots can be configured to not talk in here unless they are relaying a factoid request23:20
nalioth!ubotu23:20
ubottuI am ubot5, standing in for ubotu while he's getting his haircut done, nose powdered, updated and transitioned to his new, gorgeous looks in the near future ;)23:20
naliothubot3 ubutu23:20
ubot3Factoid ubutu not found23:20
naliothlike that ^^^23:20
ompaul!ubuntu23:21
ubottuUbuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com23:21
PriceChildah, sorry. I wasn't aware of that, thought they would respond to !s here as we used to have to mute them23:22
nalioth- ubot3 has never been muted in here23:22
ompaulmaybe they should all be encouraged to talk here - so we can see if there are issues anywhere23:23
ompaul%btlogin23:23
naliothwe can put them in a bot channel 23:23
ompaulor does that lock me out?23:23
naliothis there a ban tracker now?23:23
ompaulahh 23:23
ompauldoh23:23
* ompaul falls over23:23
PriceChildI had a bantracker working on the bot I set up on hobbsee's machine.23:23
PriceChildCould help someone get that going if wanted.23:24
ompaulhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/openweekhardy/UpstreamKernels that would make a brilliant doing a custom kernel better to make it into a single wiki page - one thing is it a bit sparse on is the supporting stuff for git 23:25
* elky_work hums as she fills out the timesheet... yay for money day23:40
ompaulnight all23:40

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