[00:01] bug # 1 is not a bug [00:02] that's the way it's always been - simple is on the surface - just buy it and you good [00:03] who the heck wants to edit xorg.conf ? [00:08] http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm [00:08] I normally let them read this too http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/winstupid/winstupid1.php [00:09] um, yes, bt this is a support channel [00:09] and you are preaching to the choir [00:10] that's a good reading anyway [00:11] a little old :) [00:11] bet you 95 % see it first time [00:12] TheSheep, thanks for your help, i will see it tommorrow [00:14] Volkodav: second, first was in 2005 [00:15] the second one is actually more than 6 years old [00:16] yay! Knuth uses Ubuntu :) [00:18] 6 years old? was there ubuntu back then? [00:19] no, ubuntu is pretty young [00:21] Volkodav: ubuntu is not for mimicking windows, but it's aimed at the same user base [00:21] well, some of it at least [00:22] I guess other distros do the corporatey part better [00:23] corporate part ? [00:23] managing large deployments of workstations, for example [00:23] and large numbers of users [00:24] was sudo and no root account by default part of playing the winblows game too? [00:24] not that ubuntu can't do it, it just doesn't have ready prepared solutions [00:24] no [00:25] ? [00:25] yes maybe a right answer? [00:25] it turned out to be a better way for keeping users out of the admin account [00:25] otherwise everyone would just log in as root and stay that way [00:25] why keep them out? [00:25] because staying root is dangerous, potentially [00:26] and not necessary for everyday work/play [00:26] they will learn that it is not the way things done on our side [00:26] they? our? [00:27] yeah - because it is windoze practice to run as root [00:27] any install demands root account [00:27] not really, in Vista even the admin has limited rights [00:27] that's where the learning starts [00:28] well, you need r access to install software on linux too - at lest the prepackaged programs [00:28] s/r/root/ [00:28] and instead you type your user acoount [00:29] ? [00:29] Volkodav: the application has to ask you for the password to do anything with root rights [00:29] and not all users can use sudo [00:30] if you think about it, it's better, you also get better audit -- you know who ran the sudo [00:30] I will never agree to sudo concept with no root account [00:31] first thing after install I do is sudo passwd [00:32] Volkodav: if you like it, it's your business [00:32] Volkodav: just remember to disable loggin to root through ssh if you ever install an ssh server though -- ubuntu doesn't have this option enabled by default because you cannot log in as root anyways [00:32] btw anybody uses deluge? This thing has been crashing on me all day] [00:33] Volkodav: have you tried transmission? [00:33] ssh is the second thing I do after sudo passwd [00:33] transmission us ugly and poor on features [00:34] rtorrent is pretty nice if you have greater torrenting needs :) [00:35] rtorrent is kewl [00:35] also how do I start in init 3? [00:35] I sometimes do not need X on certain sessions [00:35] transmission has a cli i think [00:36] Volkodav: on debian all user runlevels are the same [00:36] Volkodav: you can switch to text console with alt+ctrl+f1 [00:36] rtorrent and screen does the job for me - deluge seems to be buggy or it is just me [00:37] I mean from grub to add say 3 to kernel option or so [00:37] to bypass gdm completely [00:37] Volkodav: that will work, but still init 3 is the same as init 5 by default [00:38] yeah but 3 does not work [00:38] Volkodav: you can of course edit /etc/rc.d [00:38] in debian does [00:38] looks like it boots in init 5 no matter way [00:38] works just fine [00:39] what works fine? [00:39] booting into different runlevels, they are just all the same [00:40] I think that ubuntu will be finally going away from the whole System V init system [00:40] /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-16-generic root=/dev/sda3 ro quiet 3 [00:40] if I add 3 here it still boots in init 5 [00:45] and how do I get xfce menu on desktop's right click like it is supposed to be instead of gnome's "create his create that: [00:48] Volkodav: there is an option in the 'behavior' tab of the 'desktop settings' [00:50] why did they click it off anyway? It was always on by default [00:51] not in xubuntu [02:00] How do I install XFCE in Ubuntu to allow me to select that window manager when I start ubuntu. I want to be able to switch between GNOME and XFCE [02:29] i installed ubuntu, nuked gnome and installed xfce [02:30] so how do i get the windows partition (sda1 ntfs) to popup in thunar and stuff [03:03] Weedy: sudo apt-get install thunar-volman [03:03] let Thunar handle this.. [03:09] . [03:11] Stroganoff: thunar-volman is already the newest version. [03:11] Thunar -> Settings -> Advanced [03:12] and make sure you uninstalled gnome-volume-manager [03:13] or add your windows partition to fstab [03:13] or reinstall with this if you want lightweight http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=741631 :p [04:11] hello, i've got xfce running on ubuntu 8.04... how do i get compiz effects working? [04:23] very carefully [05:18] hi [05:18] anybody out there who would like to help me with a little font problem? [05:19] the problem is that in some apps the fonts really look nice but with other apps too "blurry" [05:46] Hi, I just installed 8.04 and I had a question about getting wireless to function properly...anyone available to help with that? [05:48] !wireless | CM_Burns [05:48] CM_Burns: what card you got? [05:49] 1 card and one USB adapter...the card is a Linksys WPCG54 G v.2 [05:49] The USB adapter is a netgear WG111v2 [05:50] Both can see wireless networks, but both (usually) fail to connect to a secured network. [05:50] CM_Burns: so both show up in iwconfig? [05:51] checking... [05:53] I think so...I'm not good at reading the output. There is a wlan0 and a wlan1 entry that seem to be different wireless cards. [05:54] Both cards do show up in the GUI network tool. [05:55] so sometimes you can connect? [05:56] I have connected a few times to an unsecured router on the Linksys card. But it does not work everytime. [05:56] I don't think I'm doing anything differently, so it is a mystery to my why it only sometimes works. [05:57] On the USB adapter, I connected once to a secure network using WPA2, but I couldn't get any data to download. [05:58] However, on the USB, I could only get the connection once...now when it tries to log on, it gives up after a minute or so. [06:03] CM_Burns: so you wireless is working but just not connecting? [06:05] Partially working at least, if seeing available networks and occasionally connecting passes as "working". [06:06] I should add though, that the Linksys card does not have an option for WPA/WPA2 security, but the USB card does, which is confusing... [06:07] CM_Burns: Ok. that is over my head then. sorry. :( try the forums. [06:07] thanks anyways... [06:52] Just upgraded to Hardy Heron, nv glx seems to be messed up, where it was working before with an nvideo 6150 card. Xorg.0.log error: (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) [09:23] Can anyone help me with printing to a shared Windows USB printer? [09:39] !cups [09:39] !lag [10:23] does Xubuntu use gdm or xfwm? [11:40] hi [11:41] :/ [11:45] i've done a very stupid thing... and i don't know how to fix it. a couple of weeks ago i decided to add kde desktop to my ubuntu laptop. immediately it was causing probs. in my infinite(esimal) wisdom i opend synaptic and markd for removal everything that started with a k. uhhhhh, guess that wasn't the right ticket. now i can boot up. i would just reinstall from a disk, but my cd drive... [11:45] ...doesn't seem to be reading them. arrrrrrrggggghhhhhh. any possibility of getting any help with this? i bought a round trip ticket to panama for $36 from miami for this friday. and i'd really like to take my old laptop with me. [11:46] i meant to say: now i CAN't boot up, of course. [11:47] hehe [11:47] there are guides around for removing DE's :P but i guess that's too late now [11:47] albuntu: it doesn't even start in recovery mode? [11:47] albuntu: how far _can_ you boot up [11:47] I guess you removed the *K*ernel [11:48] lol [11:48] yeah, the kernel is stupid kde stuff :P [11:48] don't know how to get to that. just powered it on, and get this: invalid configuration information-please run SETUP program. strike f1 to cont, f2 to run setup [11:49] wow [11:49] you messed up : [11:49] ya, maybe it was the *K*ernel :( [11:49] albuntu: um, that's probably a message from bios [11:50] is there a way to open xterm and do some mumbo jumbo to it? [11:50] :) [11:50] should he be able to chroot into that install with a live cd? [11:50] albuntu: just go into the bios setting (that setup with f2) and set everything to what you actually have in that laptop -- or restart to factory settings [11:52] albuntu: that's not related to removing packages, btw [11:52] albuntu: either you messed up the bios settings somehow or there is a hardware failure [11:52] hmmmm. the boot order was set to floppy first, then hdd, then cdrw, i've pushed cd up, maybe it will take a disk now [11:53] i am sure i had it set to boot from cd first, could it have reverted on its own? [11:58] i put xub alt installer in, said grub loading, then ERROR 15: File not found, press any key to continue. would you say it's still not reading the disk? [12:00] press any key gets me a three choice menu, ub 7.10, kernel 2.6.22-14-generic, kernel 2.6.22-14-generic (recovery mode), and lastly memtest. did you say choose recovery mode? [12:00] albuntu: yes, that's grub from the hard disk trying to boot kernel that is not there anymore [12:00] recovery mode: file not found.......... arrrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhh [12:01] albuntu: there are more ways to boot it than cd [12:01] albuntu: try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation [12:02] i think its hardware prob with cd. what would you suggest next? [12:02] i go look [12:02] either troubleshooting the hardware problem or trying one of the other installation methods [12:02] (did you set boot from cd in the bios settings?) [12:03] totalwormface: ya [12:03] crap :[ [12:04] ya [12:07] i wish i would have started working on this earlier, but i was too embarrased to say what i did :) [12:08] now what i don't get is WHY it won't boot either from an external iomega drive i just hooked to it by usb. would that be a different setting in the bios? [12:13] format and install xubuntu 8.04 :P [12:17] hmmi [12:18] do you have any other OS on cd-rom ? [12:18] than the xub alt [12:20] put that usb in the boot order thing [12:32] floating, sorry i was away... yes, i have centos, dsl, opensuse, puppy, gnewsense, gnewstep, ututu [12:33] let me see if the centos live reads [12:34] i know is a hardware prob cause cd drawer wont eject [12:35] got it open, and put suse live in, won't run [12:36] hi [12:36] i have one question about start xubuntu with a particular resolution...anyone to help ? [12:43] am i still here, or did i get bumped here too ... what a morning [12:43] floating, it won't even read dsl [12:47] guess i need to buy a flash drive and try that method [13:14] is there a way of getting around typing in the password when i want to use hdparm (sudo hdparm -Y /dev/sdb1) to shut down one of my disk [13:23] I've got two screens (just found another 19" CRT next to a dumpster, yes, people are crazy around here) and in Windows, dual screens work fine. But as I set the two at 1280x1024@75Hz in Xubuntu, reboot and they get a lower on-screen resolution though the desktop is still 1280... so I've gotta "scroll" around to the edges. What's up with that? Thanks! [13:23] But as I set the two at 1280x1024@75Hz in Xubuntu, reboot and they get a lower on-screen resolution though the desktop is still 1280... so I've gotta "scroll" around to the edges. What's up with that? Thanks! [13:25] is there a way of getting around typing in the password when i want to use hdparm (sudo hdparm -Y /dev/sdb1) to shut down one of my disks? [13:30] hello people [13:31] is it possible to feed apt-get from stdin? [13:31] (or aptitude, dpkg) [13:31] i want to mass remove some packages === danielm_ is now known as danielm [13:51] Heya maxamillion [13:53] morning cody-somerville [13:53] cody-somerville: i've quasi learned wxPython :) [13:53] cody-somerville: had to learn a cross platform gui toolkit to write a program for a class and i wanted to code in python and still get native looking code :D [13:55] lol [13:56] the professor kept trying to "sell" the idea of java ... i didn't want any part in it [13:58] * cody-somerville likes Java. [13:58] i don't *dislike* java ... i just much prefer to code in python [13:58] i've become kind of a python addict [14:09] As I enable my secondary screen in Xubuntu and reboot, my two screens get a lower on-screen resolution though the desktop is still 1280... so I've gotta "scroll" around to the edges. What's up with that? Thanks! [14:11] KOJV, Just update the resolution settings :) [14:12] cody-somerville, how to update? Enter the settings and click OK? [14:12] You'll probably have to logout [14:13] cody-somerville, I even rebooted. [14:14] You'll need to update the settings to use the resolution you want it to [14:38] i am having trouble with screen res on an old dell laptop, is very bad. can someone remind me how to get into the xorg file with mousepad? [14:50] albuntu, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [15:02] hello [15:02] i have a problem [15:03] can anyone help me set my soundcard? [15:03] with alsa? [15:15] cody-somerville: i got into xorg.conf, and changed the default depth to 16 from 24, but still not getting a very crisp resolution on that old laptop, is it possible it just don't get no better? or is there any other tweak or setting i could do? [15:15] Is it the text or everything? [15:17] well, hmmm... the text was REAL bad b4 i changed to 16 [15:17] its *some* better for sure, but just not crisp. it [15:19] Okay. [15:19] its doing another odd behavior i've never seen, which is when i try to open 'display settings' the window just blinks on and off, and i can't get in to toggle between the offerings. i notice the one on the bottom starts with 320 x something, and at the top, just below 'default' is 800 x something [15:20] Okay [15:20] You need to change your monitor [15:20] is old laptop [15:21] but not that old, i just RIIIIIIIPPPPPPPPPed a 'made for windows 98' sticker off it, and cut it up into little shards, before properly disposing of it [15:22] cody-somerville: do you think that's the best its gonna do? [15:23] In the settings :P [15:23] ummmm, don't understand; you mean something in the xorg? [15:27] ok, i got the blinking thing to stop blinking long enough to set the res to 800 x 600 and it was WORSE, so i went back to default, but i don't know what 'defautl' actually is [15:27] default [15:28] cody-somerville: but what you said about changing the monitor, did you mean changing some setting in the xorg? [15:35] if the dell startup screen, and then the splash image are much cleaner, wouldn't that mean that the monitor is capable of better performance? [15:46] How come I have no sound in Xubuntu though I have it with the Live Ubuntu CD_ [15:47] How to chkdsk in Xubuntu? [15:48] / #ubuntu [15:58] can anyone help me with my soundcard? [15:59] i cant get it to work altough modrpobing ir gives no error [16:00] then when i start mp3 blaster, it tells me failed to open sound device.. [16:02] i can reload alsa all i want but still no sound [16:03] according to dmesg no isa pnp card is found... [16:20] heya [16:30] how do I prevent dpkg from trying to install openjdk-jre-headless? got thqt stuff trying to install xubuntu-restricted-extras i hardy [16:31] it's been popping up everytime I've tried to install something since then [16:32] dpkg --clear-selections or something like that [16:37] TheSheep: thanks, will see how it fares [16:49] TheSheep: nope, still same error message? [16:49] -? [16:49] error message? [16:50] hi everybody [16:51] this morning I used the update manager and know my sound is gone, somebody have the same problem ? [16:51] TheSheep: Configuring openjdk-6-jre-headless, Illegal instruction, then "blablabla error 132" [16:52] in the sound properties the device is empty and my sound card is not there some clue ? [16:55] TheSheep: nvm I was sure I had removed it, it was still marked as installed in Synaptic [16:55] console>> asoundconf list [16:55] jgamio: what kind of card is it? [16:55] look if its listed there [17:00] or maybe "lsmod | grep snd" to check if the modules have been loaded [17:00] :) [17:01] TheSheep nothing special the sond from the motherboard I think is a via [17:03] jgamio: do you see it if you type lspci? [17:03] this morinig was working fine but after i update the sistem [17:03] in a terminal [17:03] jgamio: I use via too and it works :/ [17:04] TheSheep i didnt have problem before this is the first time [17:04] PsynoKhi0 what i need looking for [17:05] jgamio: do you have /dev/dsp ? [17:05] TheSheep no [17:06] jgamio: something that looks like a soundcard heh... like AC97 [17:06] dmesg doesn't have anything suspicious? [17:06] dmesg what is that ? [17:07] PsynoKhi0 yes i have a C97 Audio Controller [17:07] jgamio: a command that displays you the kernel messgaes since last boot [17:07] dmesg tells you a lot of information the kernel reports [17:08] TheSheep how i can check that ? [17:08] at a terminal type 'dmesg' or look at the file /var/log/dmesg [17:28] i'm trying to change my time, but time-admin doesn't let me unlock root privileges.. [17:28] also tried to run time-admin as root [17:28] unlock button was disabled [17:28] and still I could not change the time [17:30] how do I bypass the unlock button? [17:33] Hi! I need help installing flash player plugin [17:43] amd 64 or x68 [17:43] ? [17:43] or x86? [17:43] just use synaptic... and install the package.. [17:43] normally works.. [17:43] hmm good question [17:44] I'm an absolute begginer, had xubuntu for a month or so... [17:44] it's the flashplugin-nonfree package, works on both i386 and amd64 [17:45] jep but there was an issue with 64 bits flash .. [17:45] i figured it out in a day.. used a backport x86 package and then it worked.. [17:46] ok, see I just found synaptic.. [17:46] let's see [17:46] search flash.. [17:46] then install:) [17:46] nothing to it.. [17:46] maybe a reboot thats all.. [17:47] installing.. [17:50] why don't I have any file in /usr/include? i have 'gcc' installed [17:51] (and 'libc6') [17:51] ok I have a resulusion problem with hardy heron [17:51] it worked, perfect! So simple, I really have some deep reading to do! Thanks a lot! [17:52] I installed hardy heron on my dell inspiron 2600 [17:53] the problem is that everytime there seemed to be something wrong with the drivers for the grafics card. So I couldn't see anything. Eventually I managed to get it installed in safe grafic mode (I think it was anyway) [17:54] but now the resolution is really small and I can't change it. Is there a magic command line input to fix this or what do I do? [17:55] When I go to xfce settings manager and then display there is only default to choose from and that's not the one I need apparently [17:59] is there no one there that knows anything about this problem? [18:19] hi all [18:20] i jsut burnt the new ubuntu [18:20] rebooted on my laptop [18:20] its finding the drivers for my atheros wifi [18:20] but not loading tthem or something [18:20] all the commands i use show it there exept for iwconfig or ifconfig [18:20] any idea's? [18:21] can you copy/paste the output of iwconfig [18:21] ? [18:21] its just your basic lo eth0 no wireless extntions [18:25] lol [18:26] could be that its nog up or something [18:26] not up.. [18:26] how do i pull it up if it dosnt have a eth0 or ath0 or some sort of name [18:28] hey again, shouldn't Modes "widthxheight_refresh rate" be the rightsyntaxt to force refresh rates for the given display mode? [18:32] Nostah1, i suppose your wirless is not disabled [18:32] (i have a keyswitch for that) [18:32] do you know the drivers for your wireless? [18:33] try inserting them manually [18:33] it auto detected the card [18:33] and enabled them for me in restricted drivers thing [18:33] are the drivers loaded? [18:34] said enabled [18:34] how do i check [18:35] lsmod [18:35] lists the modules loaded into kernel [18:35] root@voodoo-laptop:~# lsmod | grep wifi [18:35] iwlwifi_mac80211 219108 1 iwl3945 [18:35] cfg80211 15112 1 iwlwifi_mac80211 [18:37] iwconfig? [18:37] or try dmesg if its listed there its loaded.. [18:39] Nostah1, search for madwifi [18:40] if it's not there try inserting it: mdoprobe madwifi [18:40] *modprobe madwifi [18:40] k [18:40] im writing down cause i have to reboot to the cd [18:44] what should you do check when your audio isnt working for the first time ? [18:46] if it's not muted ;) [18:47] next :) [18:47] cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp [18:47] or, maybe there is some meta mute [18:47] meta mute, sounds nice [18:47] any noise? [18:48] /dev/dsp device or resource busy [18:48] is that supposed to make random noise ? :o [18:48] yep [18:49] heh, maybe i try it when it works, wodner what might come out [18:49] i was...i get the same error (but i'm listening music) [18:49] ah, actually i have audio playing from youtube , but i dont hear it [18:49] i stop it and try [18:49] i think that's something related with firefox [18:50] still busy^^ [18:50] kill firefox also, first [18:50] busy after that too [18:50] interesting ... i works for me [18:50] i have a terminal and a abiworld doc open [18:51] i get this strange white noise [18:51] i wonder where i can check those alsa and other settings [18:51] or some logs.. varlogmessages and dmesg dont show anything but [18:53] vlc gives no audoi [18:55] i dunno, try rebooting or something... to get rid of that app blocking your /dev/dsp [18:56] sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart hmmp [18:56] checking google for some debhg [18:57] debuggin [19:00] bored [19:07] jopp restarting x got em back [19:17] anybody installed vmware on xubuntu hardy? [19:17] i get some compilation error [19:18] http://pastebin.com/d27b7a43f [19:27] questioon: on xubuntu hardy, that (totem) movie player is the default player for liek all multimedia even after installing vlc.. where can i change vlc to be default.. hard to find teh setting [19:28] blah, why didnt i go google first :P [20:12] floating, it is very simple [20:12] go to properties of files [20:12] that you wanna play with vlc [20:12] and change default application [20:24] What do i have to do to be able to see videos ment for Windows Media Player in Opera? The video plays like 1-2 seconds in Firefox and stops... === PsynoKhi1 is now known as PsynoKhi0 [20:39] RandyboY: using mplayer plugin in FF? [20:40] PsynoKhi0, dont know what plugin is used there... i havent installed anything, but it just works there [21:44] so what do you guys think of the new release [21:48] Nostahl: i think its a vast improvement over the last one ... the project is back on track and much more focused on things that matter now that the project has a solid leader [21:49] i use to run debian alot on my desktop's but since i bought a laptop i have been using vista [21:49] because toshiba says partitioning or reformating voids warrenty heh [21:50] ouch [21:50] my desktops are stored away and disassembled now so i dont get the urge to suck down a ton of power anymore heh [21:51] i run a combination of debian and fedora actually ... i used to do development work for xubuntu, but i stopped a while back and swore of *buntu... but now that the project lead has changed, i am considering coming back [21:52] does anyone know about enabling PAE in Xubuntu Hardy? [21:52] you'd need to use the -server kernel. [21:52] (if you don't want to recompile, that is) [21:53] CONFIG_X86_PAE=y [21:53] my interest in ubuntu stems from being a computer tech and wanting to get comfortable with a linux os that clients may start asking me about etc [21:53] can i the server kernel apt? [21:53] can i *get* [21:53] Nostahl, :) [21:53] r3b: sudo apt-get install linux-server [21:54] k, thanks [21:54] i will be back in a bit. thanks for the help [22:02] anybody knows how to make cuesheet plugin (audacious) work in xubuntu hardy? === mib_7o18msex is now known as seancron [22:20] anyone here use conky? [22:20] cheeseboy: yes! great app [22:21] i use it to view my GMail on my desktop along with some system stats [22:21] how do I play aac stream with audacious or totem? [22:22] how do i set width of it? [22:25] you have to edit your .conkyrc file [22:25] i know that.. [22:26] sorry it's been a while seen i made mine so i don't have it off the top of my head ill look though [22:27] maximum_width looks like the config setting you'll want to use [22:28] http://conky.sourceforge.net/config_settings.html may help you as well [22:29]