[00:00] <jermain> hi everyone
[00:00] <jhutchins_wk> !HI
[00:00] <fly_> Good, I was scared there for a moment
[00:00] <jhutchins_wk> You never know.
[00:00] <fly_> Long story
[00:01] <fly_> Thanks for the help, I'll check that URL, like I said, it's not a big thing, and I am familiar with tweaking the settings
[00:02] <silentwind> hi
[00:02] <jhutchins_wk> There are several of us out here these days, but I usually come up on the first page of google hits.  Funny how it cycles through these days though.
[00:02] <silentwind> thanks alot for your help
[00:02] <silentwind> can i use the webcam there
[00:03] <nosrednaekim> silentwind: for msn, yes
[00:03] <nosrednaekim> aim, no
[00:03] <fly_> Just another J Hutchins (try registering your mane on Craigslist Computer forum) there's a J Hutchins there
[00:04] <fly_> Thanks again, I'll shut up for now.
[00:05] <LukeL> I know a J Hutchins ...
[00:06] <fly_> Is he good people?
[00:06] <jermain> noob question: can someone tell me how i can find out what model my graphoc card is ><
[00:06] <LukeL> yup
[00:07] <cinex> jermain: lspci
[00:07] <jermain> thnks
[00:07] <LjL> or "lshw -C display"
[00:09] <jermain> thank you, the lshw command output is easier for me to understand ^
[00:12] <snikker> i'm unable to use my dvdrw. in dmesg when i insert a dvd, i've got this error http://pastebin.com/d3e05d96f
[00:24] <snikker> i'm unable to use my dvdrw. in dmesg when i insert a dvd, i've got this error http://pastebin.com/d3e05d96f
[00:31] <TeslaTony> I'm having some odd sound issues. Sometimes the sound with flash works, and sometimes it doesn't. Now my main sound has cut out, too
[00:32] <TeslaTony> Does anyone know how to fix that?
[00:34] <alexbobp> I upgraded my kubuntu, and after I replaced my new blank home directory with a symlink to my old one, sound broke.  How can I fix it?
[00:41] <robotgeek> alexbobp: you still here?
[00:41] <tim_> #channels
[00:44] <alexbobp> robotgeek: yes
[00:44] <zPliskin> i need some help makign ventrilo works with wine. can't make my microphone work
[00:45] <robotgeek> alexbobp: where does sound not work? all together?
[00:45] <Devourer> My sound doesn't work.
[00:45] <Devourer> I upgraded from 7.10 to 8.04 and now my sound doesn't work.
[00:45] <zPliskin> and whats a good audio program (like winamp or something)
[00:46] <robotgeek> zPliskin: amarok
[00:46] <alexbobp> right.  I tried both Amarok and wine
[00:46] <alexbobp> also mpg123 and aoss mpg123
[00:46] <robotgeek> alexbobp: okay, try this in a terminal. "sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart"
[00:46] <zPliskin> i have amarok but every time a song changes, it freezes for 10 secs
[00:47] <robotgeek> zPliskin: hmm, that is weird
[00:47] <zPliskin> i have 1000+ songs too
[00:47] <daemon3> How do I get my notification area back after I delete it?
[00:47] <robotgeek> i have bunches too, once they are in the playlist, they work right on
[00:48] <robotgeek> daemon3: notification area? (systray, you mean?)
[00:49] <daemon3> Guess I do.  Thanks.
[00:50] <robotgeek> weird
[00:50] <alexbobp> robotgeek: I did that, and it still didn't work
[00:50] <alexbobp> "ps aux | grep alsa" found nothing
[00:51] <alexbobp> didn't ubuntu 8.04 switch to pulseaudio, though?
[00:51] <robotgeek> alexbobp: does the output of the command "groups" have the term "audio" in it?
[00:51] <tinin> what's the name of the app that finds the apps missing in your kde menu? kappfinder or something, any clue?
[00:52] <alexbobp> robotgeek: yes, it does
[00:52] <robotgeek> alexbobp: okay, it was working before you symlinked it though, correct?
[00:52] <alexbobp> robotgeek: yes.
[00:54] <alexbobp> hmm.  I just tried "echo whatever > /dev/dsp" and got "bash: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy"
[00:55] <alexbobp> Does that mean that some kind of sound server is using the hardware?
[00:55] <robotgeek> alexbobp: yes
[00:55] <alexbobp> how can I tell what program is using it?
[00:56] <robotgeek> alexbobp: moment, have to be afk
[00:58]  * Tw|sT bows, as he enters the dojo
[00:58] <Tw|sT> so
[00:58] <Tw|sT> what's the opinion on Hardy?
[00:59] <Tw|sT> I'm installing it over here on a freshly rebuilt box
[00:59] <Walzmyn> no problems here Tw|sT
[00:59] <Tw|sT> cool
[01:00] <o0Chris0o> which effect do I disable or modify for the windows title bar?
[01:00] <Tw|sT> what's the system's specs?
[01:00] <Walzmyn> well, not major problems. I can't get KVM to work
[01:00] <Tw|sT> KVM?
[01:01] <Tw|sT> we talkin' keyboard / video / mouse?
[01:01] <Walzmyn> Tw|sT, Kernel virtual Machine I think - it's like Xen
[01:01] <Tw|sT> ah
[01:01] <Tw|sT> righton
[01:01] <Tw|sT> ok
[01:01] <Tw|sT> gatcha
[01:01] <Walzmyn> o0Chris0o What exactly are you trying to do?
[01:02] <Tw|sT> hmm... I don't think this box here will have the power for any VM work, but it'll due to get a taste of the new release and decide if I wanna upgrade my server to it
[01:02] <Tw|sT> It might be enough for compiz tho... if the Radeon 9700 pro that's in it has a decent driver
[01:02] <Walzmyn> I have a need (not a want) for winders, I wanna virtualize it instead of dual booting, but I keep getting stuck
[01:03] <Tw|sT> righton
[01:03] <o0Chris0o> Walzmyn: disable a desktop effect for the tile bar on windows
[01:03]  * Tw|sT has 17 systems
[01:03] <alexbobp> o0Chris0o: Do you mean you enabled compiz and you want the title bars to stop going transparent?
[01:03] <Walzmyn> if you can wait on a few of the addons, KDE4 gives you alot of compiz_like stuff with less overhead
[01:03] <o0Chris0o> YES!
[01:03] <o0Chris0o> alexbobp:
[01:03] <Tw|sT> hmm
[01:03] <Tw|sT> nice
[01:03] <Tw|sT> I'll have to check that out
[01:04] <o0Chris0o> I can't figure it out
[01:04] <Walzmyn> have you go thte GUI installed oochris?
[01:04] <o0Chris0o> yes I do
[01:04] <Tw|sT> is there a metapackage for it yet?  (KDE4)
[01:04] <o0Chris0o> I have ccsm
[01:04] <Walzmyn> Tw|sT, yes, I've got it here
[01:04] <Tw|sT> sweet
[01:04] <alexbobp> o0Chris0o: I had that problem also.  I couldn't find the setting for the titlebars.
[01:04] <o0Chris0o> ahh
[01:04] <Tw|sT> that's what I was hoping this release would bring.
[01:04] <Walzmyn> chris, gimme a sec, i'll have to find it again
[01:04] <o0Chris0o> but thats exactly what the problem is
[01:04] <alexbobp> that and multiple desktops breaking were the two reasons I stopped using compiz
[01:05] <Tw|sT> I really like metapackages.  saves a lot of time on setting up initially
[01:05] <o0Chris0o> ok thanks
[01:05] <Walzmyn> its in a really un-intuitive place, i'll find it though
[01:05] <Tw|sT> especially for testboxes and virtual machine instances running on VMware server
[01:05] <xyphor> anyone heard of keyboard problems with 8.04?  googling found several people having problems with the beta
[01:06] <Tw|sT> ya know.. vmware server has gone freeware on all platforms now... but win32/64 & linux
[01:06] <Fa> nope
[01:06] <xyphor> the fix was to disable usb legacy support in the bios, but I already have it disabled
[01:06] <o0Chris0o> Walzmyn: I thought it was under Window Decoration in CCSM but I don't know for sure
[01:06] <Fa> my mouse goes nuts sometimes though
[01:06] <xyphor> my keyboard works for the first 20-30 seconds, then becomes totally unresponsive
[01:06] <Tw|sT> I used it to put Kubuntu 7.10 on my laptop for work (which came loaded with Vista Ultimate)
[01:06] <Walzmyn> o0Chris0o Was about to type that that's what I THINK I enabled to fix it
[01:06] <crash> howdy howdy
[01:07] <xyphor> I just upgraded from 7.10 to 8.04...never had any keyboard problems with 7.10
[01:07] <Walzmyn> Tw|sT, KVM is the one ubuntu is supporting, so it was the one I tried first
[01:07] <o0Chris0o> well, it is enabled, and its still doign it
[01:07] <Walzmyn> o0Chris0o ok, i'll keep looking
[01:07] <Tw|sT> whoa... same thing just happened here
[01:07] <o0Chris0o> Walzmyn: me too
[01:09] <Walzmyn> o0Chris0o Do yo not have title  bars at all or are they dissapearing when they loose focus?
[01:10] <Tw|sT> ok, restarting installation
[01:10] <o0Chris0o> Walzmyn: they are dissapearing when they lose focus
[01:10] <o0Chris0o> when I move the mouse away to another window
[01:10] <Walzmyn> ah, I think i didn't fix that problem
[01:10] <o0Chris0o> oic
[01:10] <Walzmyn> I don't have compiz on at the moment
[01:11] <o0Chris0o> well darn lol, I like the other enahancements besides that, it gets annoying
[01:11] <f00f> o0Chris0o: are you on ati?
[01:12] <o0Chris0o> ati?
[01:12] <o0Chris0o> I don't think so
[01:12] <f00f> err.. do you have an ATi/AMD graphics card
[01:12] <alexbobp> o0Chris0o: Try the Fading Windows plugin
[01:12] <o0Chris0o> no I don't
[01:12] <alexbobp> (as in try disabling)
[01:12] <o0Chris0o> nVidia 8600
[01:12] <o0Chris0o> gt
[01:12] <o0Chris0o> alright alexbobp
[01:13] <f00f> compiz works best for me on the intel 950 for some reason.. on ati it's all weird...
[01:13] <o0Chris0o> still doing it :(
[01:14] <alexbobp> what if you try restarting your window decorator?
[01:14] <Walzmyn> anybody here have any experirece with KVM?
[01:15] <o0Chris0o> hmm
[01:18] <o0Chris0o> brb going to log off and back on, see if I have to do that for the settings to take affect
[01:20] <o0Chris0o> nope
[01:20] <o0Chris0o> no go
[01:22] <Walzmyn> o0Chris0o, I take it by your leave message you're a fan of Jeff Dunham?
[01:22] <o0Chris0o> hehe :)
[01:22] <o0Chris0o> course
[01:22] <Walzmyn> got both his DVD's, I love 'em
[01:22] <o0Chris0o> yeah he's a funny guy
[01:23] <biozit> hi all
[01:24] <dwidmann> dunham ...which guy was he again?
[01:24] <szakulec> so has anyone here upgraded from 7.10 to 8.04?
[01:24] <o0Chris0o> the guy with Achmed the terroist
[01:24] <o0Chris0o> the puppets
[01:24] <biozit> szakulec, i upgraded
[01:24] <o0Chris0o> "Silence, I KILL YOU!"
[01:24] <alexbobp> szakulec: I did, but I didn't upgrade, I reinstalled
[01:24] <dwidmann> ah, a ventriloquist, he was on comedy central the other night
[01:24] <szakulec> how did it go?
[01:25] <o0Chris0o> yup
[01:25] <dwidmann> Funny as they come
[01:25] <biozit> fine...no problems...
[01:30] <FroggyTheGreat> Hey, is there a FAQ for upgrade problems?
[01:30] <FroggyTheGreat> ...like "unable to resolve hostname" when tryint to SUDO?
[01:30] <o0Chris0o> !upgrade kubuntu
[01:30] <o0Chris0o> oops
[01:30] <o0Chris0o> !upgrade
[01:31] <FroggyTheGreat> Or little things like Adept not being found?
[01:31] <wesley> what the different between 2.6 kernels and 2.4 en 2.2
[01:31] <o0Chris0o> try there FroggyTheGreat
[01:31] <FroggyTheGreat> Looking.
[01:31] <FroggyTheGreat> Well, at least this time I didn't accidentally uninstall the OS while running it, like last time.
[01:32] <Walzmyn> wesley, for one thing, kernel 2.4 didn't recoginize half my hardware
[01:32] <FroggyTheGreat> I mean, this is beyond ridiculous.
[01:32] <wesley> so why are there 3 kernels ?
[01:33] <biozit> i need to mount a samba share evry time...i try to put in the fstab..but when the machine with linux reboot while the windows machine is off i lost the mount...
[01:33] <Walzmyn> wesley, where?
[01:33] <FroggyTheGreat> Anyone else had this sort of upgrade problem?
[01:34] <FroggyTheGreat> I can't sudo since the upgrade, and adept seems to have disappeared.
[01:34] <jhutchins> FroggyTheGreat: Gotta say this is the worst I've heard of so far, and I'm no head-in-the-sand type.
[01:35] <wesley> www.kernel.org
[01:36] <FroggyTheGreat> ~$ sudo apt-get install adept
[01:36] <FroggyTheGreat> sudo: unable to resolve host [hostname
[01:36] <FroggyTheGreat> ?!
[01:36] <DrX> on a RAID 5 volume that contains both NTFS and ext3 partitions, does the order matter?
[01:46] <aib> how do i get Konsole to show the ansi colors in my bash prompt?
[01:46] <will00> how do i create a symlink?
[01:47] <aib> man ln
[01:47] <DrX> ln <destination> <source>
[01:47] <DrX> you can use symlink also
[01:47] <will00> ok
[01:48] <lurkmore> anyone know if you can remove the plama menu and replace it with something else?
[01:48] <FroggyTheGreat> Anyone know how to fix the sudeo error "cannot resolve host"?
[01:49] <FroggyTheGreat> sudo, that is.
[01:49] <Walzmyn> FroggyTheGreat, is that error to do with sudo or is it not finding the repos on the 'net?
[01:50] <FroggyTheGreat> It's any time I do Sudo.  It's not connecting to localhost.
[01:50] <Walzmyn> weird
[01:51] <o0Chris0o> maybe you have to do a clean install?
[01:51] <o0Chris0o> maybe something buggy happened when you tried to upgrade it
[01:51] <FroggyTheGreat> There really ought to be a way to upgrade without doing a clean install, IMNERHO, but the iso is downloading on my wife's windows box.
[01:52] <Walzmyn> i've never done an upgrade with any distro - i always just do a clean install
[01:53] <FroggyTheGreat> What's the going opinion of the KDE4 remix?
[01:53] <Walzmyn> FroggyTheGreat, it'd be nice, but there are so danged many configurations and cross dependenies that change from one version to another it's about impossible to keep up with all the stuff that changes
[01:53] <Walzmyn> FroggyTheGreat, is there an actual iso for the remix, or do you just install the meta package for kde4?
[01:53] <sparr> a bug in sysv-rc?  /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d: 274: /sbin/runlevel: not found
[01:54] <FroggyTheGreat> Not sure, I was wondering which iso to download.
[01:54] <nosrednaekim> FroggyTheGreat: get the kde3 one and install  the kde4 metapackage later
[01:54] <Walzmyn> Weal, I just grabbed the last RC of 8.04 and installed KDE4 from there
[01:54] <FroggyTheGreat> Rightoo.
[01:55] <Walzmyn> KDE4 is pretty nice - i think it will be sweet one day, but there's too much stuff missing ATM
[01:55] <FroggyTheGreat> Well, thanks for the help.  Undoubtedly I'll have more questions, since I'll have forgotten where the drivers are for my monitor.
[01:57] <Walzmyn> one more time, anybody here familiar with KVM?
[01:58] <nosrednaekim> Wa\
[01:58] <nosrednaekim> Walzmyn: not really.... Vbox is better
[01:58] <nosrednaekim> and faster
[01:58] <Dr_willis> depends on your specific needs also.
[01:59] <Walzmyn> I wanna virtualize XP
[01:59] <Dr_willis> virtualbox , or vmware can do that nicely.
[01:59] <Walzmyn> ubuntu / kbuntu's website said they were pushing KVM
[01:59] <nosrednaekim> Walzmyn: virtualbox is far better for virtualizing XP
[01:59] <Dr_willis> I not sure what 'kvm' actually is.
[01:59] <Dr_willis> !info kvm
[01:59] <nosrednaekim> Walzmyn: thats for servers I presume
[01:59] <Walzmyn> kernal virtualized machine i think, Dr_willis
[02:00] <Dr_willis> isent kvm part of the xen stuff?
[02:00] <Walzmyn> no, sperate than xen
[02:00] <Walzmyn> what I read was that ubuntu went with kvm 'cause it was better for desktops than xen
[02:00] <Dr_willis> or ias kvm that kernel extension that virtual machines can use?
[02:01] <FroggyTheGreat> Just a quick check, is it fairly easy to dwngrade Firefox back to v2?
[02:01] <nosrednaekim> FroggyTheGreat: install firefox-2
[02:01] <Walzmyn> FroggyTheGreat, they install beside each other, you can have both
[02:01] <FroggyTheGreat> Ok
[02:01] <Dr_willis> be sure you have firefox closed when installing 2. or it can confuse things.
[02:02] <Walzmyn> ok, so i needa get virtualbox you say - i'm not familiar with it, is it in repos or do i have to snag it somewhere else?
[02:02] <Dr_willis> if you are downgrading to just get all your extensions to work.. there is a extension for FF3 that lets it run all the FF2 extensions.. ( with some risk)
[02:04] <Hrontore> Hmm,
[02:05] <Hrontore> Help, I can't update my distro.  The package manager says that the data base is being used by adept or some other program.
[02:06] <BluesKaj> !adeptfix | Hrontore
[02:07] <dbglt> hi folks, is there any reason why the hard drive in my laptop would show up as /dev/sda instead of hda?
[02:07] <Walzmyn> dbglt, it's not falling out is it?  :)
[02:07] <robotgeek> hmm, anyone has an idea of why my keyboard shortcuts don't work after disabling compiz (desktop-effects?))
[02:07] <dbglt> seems to have an impact on me using hdparm settings on it
[02:07] <dbglt> Walzmyn: been the same harddrive since I got the laptop, I'd say not :P
[02:07] <Dr_willis> dbglt,  thats now MANY if not most ide drives show up now a days
[02:08] <sparr> goddamned BNETD is installed brokenly on my system and causing my dist-upgrade to fail
[02:08] <sparr> GAH
[02:08] <Dr_willis> the changes to the ide subsystem are making  most of the ide drives on my systems  show up as sd##
[02:08] <dbglt> Dr_willis: ohhh ok
[02:08] <robotgeek> sparr: ppc user?
[02:08] <dbglt> Dr_willis: any reason why then changing the hdparm settings would fail?
[02:08] <sparr> ive been trying to dist-upgrade to hardy for a week now
[02:08] <sparr> robotgeek: no
[02:08] <Dr_willis> in theory you shouldent need to mess with the hdparm stuff any more. (at least thats the theory)
[02:08] <dbglt> Dr_willis: ohhh.
[02:08] <man05> Do other people upgrading to 8.04 got problems with systemsettings? It seems there is a bug in bugs.kde, in which the same backtrace, but it is for upgrading to the previous version (with kde 3.5.9)
[02:09] <Walzmyn> dbglt, i just went and looked, mine is the same way
[02:09] <dbglt> Dr_willis: I've found my disk performance seems to have detoirated. I figured it was due to a failure to set hdparm settings
[02:10] <juan13> hi, anybody who can help with a grub problem
[02:10] <Walzmyn> speaking of how drives show up, is there a way to get dolphin to label a drive as hda or sda or whatever instead of by it's size?
[02:11] <Dr_willis> dbglt,  its possible. Im not sure of the proper way to tweak the settings with the new  changes.
[02:11] <feijo> hi
[02:11] <Dr_willis> Walzmyn,  You could set their disk Labels. That might do it.
[02:11] <Dr_willis> that would show them as their name.
[02:11] <feijo> I upgraded my memory last night from 1 gb to 3 gb, can I disable my swap partition?
[02:11] <Walzmyn> Dr_willis, individually you mean?
[02:11] <Dr_willis> feijo,  i wouldent suggest that.
[02:12] <feijo> 1,3 gb my swap
[02:12] <Hrontore> ubottu: are you a bot?
[02:12] <Dr_willis> feijo,  you proberly dont need that much swap.  but its not hurting anything.
[02:12] <Hrontore> BluesKaj: What does ! mean?
[02:12] <sparr> does kde have a ftp app like gftp?
[02:12] <feijo> kubuntu set that value automatcly, can I reduce is to 512mb?
[02:12] <Dr_willis> sparr,  konqueror can do ftp:// type addresses
[02:12] <feijo> sparr, install filezilla
[02:13] <feijo> I love it
[02:13] <Dr_willis> or was it ftp:\\\
[02:13] <sparr> i prefer gftp to filezilla
[02:13] <Hrontore> BluesKaj: and why did that command start a poker network server?
[02:13] <sparr> Dr_willis: do i need to elaborate on "like gftp"?
[02:13] <man05> sparr: kftpgrabber
[02:13] <feijo> lol
[02:13] <feijo> so, its ok to reduce my swap partition to 512? just gpart it?
[02:13] <Dr_willis> sparr,  i have no idea how gftp differ.., search the package manager for ftp clients and have a blast.. you COULD just install gftp if you want to.
[02:14] <sparr> i have gftp installed
[02:14] <sparr> id like something that integrates with kde better.  like drag/drop file support, etc
[02:14] <feijo> filezilla...
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> sparr: try ftp:/ from konquror
[02:15] <Walzmyn> filezilla is what the other ftp's wanna be when they grow up
[02:15] <feijo> that works too
[02:15] <sparr> nosrednaekim: do i need to elaborate on "like gftp"?
[02:15] <feijo> good one Walzmyn
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> sparr: I don't even know what that is :P
[02:15] <sparr> nosrednaekim: a typical ftp client
[02:15] <Dr_willis> actually YES you do need to elaborage on 'like gftp' since we dont knwo what part of gftp you want.
[02:15] <feijo> if you have a question, dont be arrogant
[02:15] <robotgeek> ^^
[02:15] <feijo> only how answer has that liberty, lol
[02:15] <Dr_willis> if you want gftp install it...
[02:16] <man05> sparr: kftpgrabber supports drag/drop from the system.. and it's 'typical'
[02:16] <sparr> like gftp/cuteftp/filezilla/[every other not-a-file-browser-like-konqueror-and-explorer]
[02:16] <robotgeek> sparr: install qt-curve theme, and it integrates
[02:16] <BluesKaj> Hrontore, the cmnd is supposed to be entered in the Konsole/terminal shell , not your browser
[02:16] <Dr_willis> !ftp
[02:16] <sparr> robotgeek: i dont care how it looks
[02:16] <sparr> konqueror can't respect connection limits, so it's out
[02:16] <feijo> kterminal, ftp command, lol
[02:16] <Jucato> connection limits?
[02:17] <feijo> can I install beryl on kubuntu 8?
[02:17] <Jucato> feijo: you'll want compiz/compiz-fusion
[02:17] <Dr_willis> feijo,  compiz-fusion has replaced beryl.
[02:17] <Jucato> but yes
[02:17] <man05> sparr: kftpgrabberalso  supports limits!
[02:17] <feijo> I have installed compiz, but it does not have some stuff I saw on youtube with beryl
[02:17] <Jucato> oh, krusader probably does as well
[02:17] <man05> sparr: kftpgrabber also  supports limits! *space missing
[02:17] <Dr_willis> !compiz | feijo
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> feijo: grab the compizconfig-settings-manager
[02:18] <Jucato> feijo: beryl no longer exists as beryl
[02:18] <sparr> Jucato: ftp servers that you can only connect to N times at once (N being 1-3 in most cases i encounter)
[02:18] <Jucato> feijo: beryl is no part of compiz, as compiz-fusion
[02:18] <feijo> ok, opening adept
[02:18] <Hrontore> BluesKaj: I've tried entering the command in the terminal (first thing I did) then tried the run dialog.
[02:18] <vbgunz> can someone go this address in Konqueror on the latest hardy and tell me if it crashes your browser http://reddit.com/goto?rss=true&id=t3_6hl6o
[02:19] <vbgunz> I think that particular page is crashing Konqueror
[02:19] <vbgunz> yup, it is killing my konqueror :(
[02:19] <nosrednaekim> vbgunz: konq4 or 3?
[02:19] <feijo> sometimes an error causes all my programs to lost border and header! wierd
[02:19] <robotgeek> or System->Desktop Effects works also
[02:19] <Hrontore> BluesKaj: It returns error command not found for both " !adeptfix" and "adeptfix:
[02:19] <feijo> like now, I cant maximize, move, ...
[02:19] <vbgunz> konqueror 3
[02:19] <sparr> Jucato: konqueror wants to open more and more connections
[02:20] <feijo> Im using compiz config manager, thanks!
[02:20] <Jucato> sparr: hm.. yeah, I've heard something about that before
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> vbgunz: works in konq4
[02:20] <vbgunz> trying firefox
[02:21] <feijo> rotate cube! nice, lol
[02:21] <feijo> now how to use it? time to click on that link someone posted
[02:22] <vbgunz> works in firefox but kills konqueror
[02:22] <BluesKaj> Hrontore, have you checked to amke sure adept /synaptic isn't open or that apt isn't installing an app, and this is the cmnd that should be entered in the terminal , sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[02:22] <vbgunz> http://reddit.com/goto?rss=true&id=t3_6hl6o kills my konqueror 3, does it kill yours?
[02:22] <BluesKaj> not adeprfix
[02:22] <vbgunz> I got to go. found this right before bed :/
[02:23] <feijo> compiz working!
[02:23] <feijo> how to rotate?
[02:23] <Dr_willis> !cube | feijo
[02:23] <feijo> ok ubottu
[02:24] <BluesKaj> vbgunz, yes it crashes konq on my setup too
[02:24] <feijo> just found by myself, middle button
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> feijo: ctrl+alt+left button+drag works too
[02:26] <jonfhancock> hmm  that link doesn't affect konq for me.  it doesn't load quite right, but konq still works fine
[02:26] <jonfhancock> erm nvm.  didn't read far enough back.  still using gutsy
[02:26] <Dr_willis> http://reddit.com/goto?rss=true&id=t3_6hl6o  Killed Konqueror here when i scrolled down to the bottom of th4 page
[02:27] <feijo> but I have only 2 workareas, damn
[02:27] <Jucato> feijo: you'll have to ask in #compiz-fusion how to increase that. doing it the KDE way doesn't seem to work
[02:27] <Dr_willis> actually the page loads.. i see it.. then it crashes
[02:27] <Jucato> (oh, and we call it virtual desktops in KDE, workspaces in GNOME, and viewports in Compiz)
[02:27] <Jucato> :D
[02:27] <Dr_willis> we need more names for the same thing!
[02:28] <Hrontore> BluesKaj: what is poker-network server and why is that when I run that command that a diolog pops up and askes me "Do you want to configure and run the poker-network server?"
[02:28] <gkffjcs> I was messing around with kbfx, and now kicker won't start, dose anyone know where the kicker rc files are, so I can remove kbfx, and then restart kicker?
[02:28] <Dr_willis> feijo,  yoyu must make 4 virtual desktop./viewports using the ccsm tool. general tab. to have a actual cube.. and thats all i know..I find the cube useless.
[02:28] <Jucato> gkffjcs: what happens when you try to run "kicker" from the command line (Konsole)?
[02:29] <feijo> I like cube hehe
[02:29] <Jucato> gkffjcs: but config files are in ~/.kde/share/config/
[02:30] <Dr_willis> the cube has to be one of the most useless features of compiz.. :)  Even firewriting has some uses :P
[02:30] <gkffjcs> I tried it from terminal and I get a whole bunch of output about kicker: KBFX plugin lib is: /usr/lib/ about ten times and then
[02:30] <gkffjcs> kicker: crashHandler called
[02:30] <gkffjcs> KCrash: Application 'kicker' crashing...
[02:30] <BluesKaj> Hrontore, where are you entering the commands ?
[02:30] <Hrontore> BluesKaj: Shell-Konsol
[02:30] <Jucato> tsk tsk.. silly kbfx :)
[02:31] <jonfhancock> I use the cube on a daily basis.
[02:31] <Hrontore> BluesKaj: I tried to do it in a run and selected run in a terminal window to, just copied and paste from the chat.
[02:31] <jonfhancock> I find it quite useful
[02:31] <Hrontore> BluesKaj: In addition to running it in the Shell-Konsole window.
[02:32] <Hrontore> Bl\
[02:32] <Hrontore> BluesKaj:
[02:32] <Hrontore> shoot
[02:32] <Walzmyn> I like the cube. it and the expose` thing are all I want from compiz
[02:32] <Hrontore> BluesKaj: both want to mess with a python-poker-network, poker-web, or python-poker2d.
[02:32] <BluesKaj> Hrontore, I have no idea why you are launching a poker-network configure ...never heard odf such a thing happening before ...almost looks like you are running windows and have a hijack app on your system
[02:33] <Hrontore> BluesKaj: Suxs
[02:33] <gkffjcs> If I remove the entry for kbfx will I need to renumber all the other entries?
[02:33] <Jucato> that I don't know :/
[02:34] <gkffjcs> we'll see in a minute
[02:34] <gkffjcs> appearantly not, It worked fine, thanks!
[02:34] <BluesKaj> Hrontore, try this in the konsole , sudo dpkg --configure -a
[02:35] <Hrontore> BluesKaj: I notice in the process table that a "python" process is running, it won't let me kill it. Does this have anything to do with my current problem?
[02:36] <BluesKaj> could have , not sure ...what python process is it ?
[02:36] <robotgeek> i think adept is written in c++, not sure
[02:37] <o0Chris0o> hell most of linux is c++
[02:37] <feijo> whats signal 11 (SIGSEGV)
[02:37] <sparr> how can i switch from mythbuntu to ubuntu or kubuntu splash screens?
[02:37] <Jucato> o0Chris0o: it isn't
[02:37] <Hrontore> BluesKaj: lastgmsubmitd and just python
[02:37] <feijo> that cube is amazing!!
[02:38] <Jucato> robotgeek: it is
[02:38] <Hrontore> BluesKaj: it won't let me kill either.
[02:38] <Jucato> sparr: the bootsplash screen (the one after grub and before login?)
[02:38] <Odd-rationale> sparr: install the usplash-theme-ubuntu
[02:38] <sparr> Jucato: also the shutdown screen
[02:38] <Jucato> !usplash | sparr
[02:38] <Walzmyn> How do i set my wireless system to just connect (remember password) without me having to type KDEwallet's PW everytime?
[02:39] <Hrontore> BluesKaj: no such luck, running sudo dpkg --configure -a does the same thing.
[02:39] <Jucato> robotgeek: adept -> mostly C++ (I think Adept Installer might have bits of Python... not sure)
[02:39] <BluesKaj> Hrontore, sorry , I'm stumped
[02:39] <Jucato> o0Chris0o: Linux kernel = C. GNU utilities = C. HAL (I think) = C. and more :)
[02:40] <Odd-rationale> Be kool to have a package manager using kommander.... ;)
[02:40] <sparr> Jucato: is it a bad thing if that update-initramfs happened at the exact same time as dpkg installing linux-image-2.6.24-16-generic and running update-initramfs ?
[02:40] <robotgeek> Odd-rationale: i believe konqueror dose have a "midnight commander profile"
[02:40] <Jucato> sparr: might be.. not really sure
[02:40] <Jucato> robotgeek: kommander is different :)
[02:40] <Jucato> !info kommander | robotgeek
[02:41] <Jucato> :D
[02:41] <sparr> Walzmyn: edit your kde wallet to have no password
[02:41] <robotgeek> ah sorry
[02:41] <Jucato> !helpersnack | robotgeek
[02:41] <sparr> Walzmyn: the next version of knetworkmanager will probably not use kwallet
[02:41] <robotgeek> heh. thanks for ze tip.
[02:41] <spykedtomato> hi there - just upgraded to hardy (kde3) - my internal hard drives aren't mounted as they should be, one of them isn't showing me it's directories... can anyone help?
[02:42] <Walzmyn> sparr I was wanting to set it up so that if my wife logged on her account it would connect
[02:43] <sparr> Walzmyn: then remove the password from her wallet
[02:44] <Walzmyn> sparr but then the wirelss config thing is going to want the router password isn't it?
[02:44] <sparr> no
[02:44] <sparr> the router password will still be in the wallet
[02:44] <rod> BluesKaj: Thnx for the help, from hrontore.
[02:44] <sparr> but the wallet will not have its own required-to-open password
[02:45] <sparr> a passwordless wallet is probably a good default for normal users
[02:45] <Walzmyn> sparr, ok, thankya
[02:45] <Walzmyn> yeah, this is the only thing stored in it
[02:45] <Walzmyn> and i think it's a bit dumb to store this in it
[02:46] <sparr> the wallet concept is sound
[02:46] <sparr> apple does the same thing...  except apple's password store never has its own password
[02:46] <spykedtomato> hi there - just upgraded to hardy (kde3) - my internal hard drives aren't mounted as they should be, one of them isn't showing me it's directories... can anyone help?
[02:47] <spykedtomato> I think the problem MAY be in my fstab but I'm not sure
[02:47] <sparr> spykedtomato: make sure your upgrade completed, if it didnt then you might not have HAL, which means uuid mounts wont work
[02:47] <dbglt> sparr: ah wow, didn't know you could that re: wallet manager
[02:47] <dbglt> much much better now :)
[02:47] <jhironsel> una persona que hable español
[02:47] <spykedtomato> sparr - that's the problem, in my fstab the drives in question don't have a uuid...
[02:47] <sparr> dbglt: it really really should be explained on the first "set your wallet password" dialog
[02:47] <spykedtomato> sparr - not sure how to change that
[02:48] <Odd-rationale> !es | jhironsel
[02:48] <sparr> thats probably the problem
[02:48] <sparr> im guessing your drive letters changed
[02:48] <sparr> i dont remember how to find the uuid for a drive  :(
[02:48] <sparr> !uuid
[02:48] <sparr> but i do know how to throw random keywords at the bot  :)
[02:48] <spykedtomato> lol
[02:49] <spykedtomato> and how to i reload fstab without rebooting?
[02:49] <spykedtomato> or do i have to reboot?
[02:49] <BluesKaj> rod , sorry i couldn't do more .,..there are more knowledgeable ppl here , but hought Hrontore's problem was more easily solved
[02:49] <sparr> sudo mount -a
[02:49] <spykedtomato> k, thanks sparr
[02:49] <sparr> that will re-read fstab for 'auto' mounts
[02:52] <jhironsel> thank
[02:53] <spykedtomato> sparr: the command sudo blkid isn't giving me the uuid's for all the drives??
[02:53] <sparr> that is not good  :(
[02:53] <sparr> and its out of my league now
[02:54] <spykedtomato> sparr: it's giving me for /dev/sdb but not /dev/hdb
[02:54] <spykedtomato> grrr
[02:54] <sparr> are you sure you HAVE a /dev/hdb ?
[02:54] <spykedtomato> yeah
[02:54] <feijo> where can I insert new services to be executed when I turn my computer on?
[02:54] <spykedtomato> it's listed in my fstab and it's mounted right now :)
[02:54] <feijo> like lamp
[02:54] <sparr> what does "sudo fdisk -l" say about it?
[02:55] <Odd-rationale> spykedtomato: try "ls /dev/disk/by-uuid/"
[02:55] <spykedtomato> *blink*
[02:55] <sparr> feijo: the startup scripts go in /etc/init.d and links to them go in /etc/rc#.d depending on what runlevels you want them to start in.
[02:55] <spykedtomato> hda isn't listed
[02:55] <sparr> feijo: the names of the links have particular syntax requirements that i cant remember
[02:55] <spykedtomato> now i'm confused
[02:56] <spykedtomato> i know i have two hard drives, but only sdb is listed?
[02:57] <feijo> to start lamp, I use /opt/lamp/lamp start
[02:57] <feijo> how can I create a link with param?
[02:57] <feijo> link to file with param, I mean
[02:57] <feijo> sudo ln -s /opt/lamp/lamp start show an error
[02:57] <sparr> id suggest putting "/opt/lamp/lamp start" in /etc/init.d/lamp.sh and linking that as /etc/rc2.d/lamp
[02:58] <feijo> k
[02:58] <spykedtomato> is there a command to tell me what's mounted where right now?
[02:58] <feijo> mount
[02:59] <nowimproved> it is asking for a media change near the end of the install process during the grub install part
[02:59] <feijo> lol
[02:59] <nowimproved> and wont let me do anything
[02:59] <nowimproved> any ideas?
[02:59] <spykedtomato> doh lol
[03:00] <spykedtomato> oh.... NOW I think I'm understanding the problem
[03:00] <spykedtomato> kubuntu is not even seeing my second hard drive
[03:00] <spykedtomato> this is bad
[03:02] <spykedtomato> anyone able to help is more than welcome :D
[03:02] <sparr> ctrl-plus and ctrl-minus in firefox 3 do zoom instead of text size change, what are the new hotkeys for text size change?
[03:03] <feijo> lamp.sh need chmod 777?
[03:04] <sparr> chmod a+x i think
[03:04] <nowimproved> anyone understand this?
[03:07] <bolosi> I have a couple of questions
[03:07] <feijo> shut
[03:07] <bolosi> I loaded in the new 8.04. What is the meta key?
[03:08] <Jucato> usually the Win key
[03:09] <Distro^Junkie> wow servers are really slow tonight for getting anything
[03:09] <bolosi> I also wanted the windows to become translucent when i used the mouse wheel but can not find the function
[03:11] <bolosi> anyone know how to do this?
[03:11] <BluesKaj> Distro^Junkie, the Canadian servers have been extemely slow for weeks ...I switched to the US repos
[03:12] <Distro^Junkie> guess I'll need to do hat as well thanx BluesKaj
[03:12] <Distro^Junkie> THAT*
[03:12] <wmoxam> konq4 is pretty nice
[03:13] <Distro^Junkie> BluesKaj: you got a fast way of switching ?
[03:13] <yoyoma> is KDE4 a ... 'young' product?
[03:13] <bolosi> just came out
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> yoyoma: about 5 months
[03:14] <BluesKaj> Distro^Junkie, delete the text in your sources.list and I'll post mine on pastebin ...hang on
[03:14] <Distro^Junkie> ok
[03:14] <yoyoma> it's given me some trouble... i guess i should just wait and let it grow up some more before i judge it though
[03:14] <nosrednaekim> Distro^Junkie: or you can go adept->manage repositories
[03:14] <nosrednaekim> yoyoma: 4.1 is coming out in july
[03:15] <yoyoma> do you think font sizes will be better in 4.1?
[03:15] <Feijo_BR> how to set a ntfs avaiable to regular user? need to mount it in what config file?
[03:15] <ddahl> I know I had a difficult time if I accidentally removed a panel... took a while to get it back in KDE4
[03:15] <nosrednaekim> Feijo_BR: use the systemsettings->advanced->disks and partitions manager
[03:15] <BluesKaj> Distro^Junkie, http://www.pastebin.ca/1002491
[03:16] <johntramp> hey.  how usable is the kde4 release?  is it stable enough for every day use, or should I stick to kde 3 for now?
[03:16] <Feijo_BR> I'm using kubuntu
[03:16] <Distro^Junkie> thanx BluesKaj
[03:16] <Feijo_BR> ops, kubuntu chanel, duh
[03:16] <ddahl> I just upgrade to Kubuntu 8.04
[03:17] <Feijo_BR> found
[03:17] <BluesKaj> Distro^Junkie, copy and paste the text from the bottom text space
[03:17] <Feijo_BR> that easy???????
[03:17] <mrmonkeyman> Hi all
[03:17] <snoopy2556> how to support rmvb files  for Dragon Player??? Thanks
[03:18] <Jucato> snoopy2556: #kubuntu-kde4 please. thanks
[03:18] <Feijo_BR> its safe to set thunderbird to store accounts to ntfs?
[03:18] <snoopy2556> Jucato: Thanks
[03:18] <mrmonkeyman> have quick question, I mount a hard drive into a folder I created in media but I do not get all the free space
[03:18] <Jucato> snoopy2556: you're welcome. thanks
[03:18] <Jucato> :)
[03:18] <johntramp> ?
[03:19] <mrmonkeyman> I only have the free space that I have in my / folder
[03:19] <johntramp> is anyone here using kde4
[03:19] <mrmonkeyman> I am
[03:19] <nosrednaekim> johntramp: #kubuntu-kde4
[03:19] <Jucato> maybe some. but most are in #kubuntu-kde4
[03:19] <johntramp> oh, i didnt know.
[03:19] <johntramp> oh i see its in the topic
[03:22] <mrmonkeyman> can anyone help me with my mounting problem?
[03:22] <mrmonkeyman> I used parted to format the hard drive but do not have all the space available
[03:23] <Feijo_BR> how can reduce password size demands?
[03:24] <Feijo_BR> I try set small password for my girlfriend, but the system ignores, and request her to set a long password
[03:25] <yoyoma> Jucato: the gdm setting you gave me earlier worked great
[03:25] <yoyoma> thanks
[03:26] <Jucato> you're welcome
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> Feijo_BR: try "passwd username"
[03:27] <Feijo_BR> yeah nosrednaekim, thanks
[03:27] <yoyoma> i'm slowly building up the perfect husband/wife machine.  KDE3 for her to be similar to the XP she knows, and XFCE for me to be lightweight like I use at work.  moohoohahaha.
[03:29] <Feijo_BR> enought for today... I'll be back tomorrow to bother you guys again :)
[03:29] <Feijo_BR> 23h30 here, time to sleep
[03:29] <nosrednaekim> later Feijo_BR
[03:29] <Roey> nosrednaekim:  ya know... I keep reading your nickname as "nose redneck IM"
[03:29] <ddahl>  indent
[03:29] <Feijo_BR> good night
[03:29] <Roey> nosrednaekim:  I mean I know what it means, your nick
[03:30] <nosrednaekim> Roey: haha, yeah... everyone calls me a redneck ;)
[03:30] <nosrednaekim> which I kinda am...but thats merely a coincidence
[03:30] <Roey> ;)
[03:30] <o0Chris0o> how can I get emeraled theme manager working?
[03:30] <nosrednaekim> o0Chris0o: it comes with emerald.... just start it up
[03:31] <Distro^Junkie> man thanx alot BluesKaj big difference in speed to the us servers
[03:31] <nosrednaekim> US roKs ;)
[03:31] <Distro^Junkie> specially being on a 12 meg line
[03:31] <o0Chris0o> I have, and clicked on a theme
[03:31] <o0Chris0o> nothing happens lol
[03:31] <BluesKaj> yup, the sherbrookeU and other servers here getting throttled
[03:31] <nosrednaekim> o0Chris0o: restart emerald.... "emerald --replace"
[03:31] <o0Chris0o> k
[03:33] <o0Chris0o> that worked
[03:33] <nosrednaekim> yeah... somtimes it requires that... not sure why
[03:33] <riefzu> help: my flasdisk has superblock by my bos
[03:33] <BluesKaj> Distro^Junkie, there just aren't enuff /.ca servers for the number of debian based distros being used here
[03:33] <riefzu> hom to opened it
[03:33] <riefzu> *how
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> !wireless
[03:37] <o0Chris0o> alright thats much better!
[03:37] <o0Chris0o> so where can emeraled themes be found?
[03:37] <o0Chris0o> downloadable
[03:37] <o0Chris0o> kdelook site?
[03:37] <nosrednaekim> yep... kde-look
[03:37] <o0Chris0o> !kde look
[03:37] <o0Chris0o> .com?
[03:37] <nosrednaekim> !themes
[03:37] <o0Chris0o> heh
[03:38] <o0Chris0o> that works o.0
[03:38] <nosrednaekim> yeppers
[03:40] <smee> hi
[03:41] <smee> i'm looking for help connecting to my wireless network
[03:41] <smee> can anyone help?
[03:41] <CYREX> hellohehello
[03:45] <o0Chris0o> smee
[03:45] <o0Chris0o> !wifi
[03:46] <CYREX> thank god!!
[03:46] <CYREX> thanks ubottu
[03:46] <o0Chris0o> heh
[03:46] <o0Chris0o> see I am able to help a few in here
[03:46] <o0Chris0o> I'll try my best
[03:48] <reginatto> looking to my dmesg after a freesh instalation of kubuntu remix-kde4 the message: "Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods" is displayed. Does anyone knows how do I update it? Or the correct resolution?
[03:49] <FroggyTheGreat> wipe/reinstall worked out fine
[03:50] <FroggyTheGreat> Now is it Firefox-2 that's the latest stable version?
[03:50] <o0Chris0o> yes, 3.0 beta 5 is the beta
[03:51] <FroggyTheGreat> And if i install Firefox-2 that won't break the update-checker?
[03:51] <o0Chris0o> I'm not sure
[03:52] <connor> can someone help me get my 3d desktop cube to work?
[03:52] <ti> hi.. i need help
[03:52] <FroggyTheGreat> Whatis?
[03:52] <connor> hey froggy
[03:52] <connor> could you help me out?
[03:53] <FroggyTheGreat> Depends.
[03:53] <smee> thanks o0Chris0o, but i tried following the ndiswrapper thing, and i just got confused
[03:53] <connor> i need help getting my 3d desktop cube to work
[03:53] <connor> =/
[03:53] <ti> my sound cannot hear on kubuntu 8.04
[03:53] <o0Chris0o> !cube
[03:53] <BluesKaj> FroggyTheGreat, the adept notifier will become annoying anouncing updates
[03:54] <FroggyTheGreat> Oh.
[03:54] <o0Chris0o> smee, not sure about it really,  try asking in here, I just tried to help pointing to some docs
[03:54] <FroggyTheGreat> How...nice of it.
[03:54] <Agent_bob> you can turn it off
[03:54] <smee> ok...thanks for the help
[03:55] <o0Chris0o> np
[03:55] <gene> indonesian please...
[03:55] <o0Chris0o> !indonesian
[03:55] <Agent_bob> smee i've never played with a wireless network.   i still use string and tin cans to communicate.
[03:56] <Jsn0327> does anyone know if there is a resolution for the root access problem with kbuntu 8.04?
[03:56] <FroggyTheGreat> Add your hostname to your hostfile perhaps?
[03:57] <genii> !root
[03:57] <Agent_bob> Jsn0327 which root access problem ?
[03:58] <Jsn0327> when i try to do anything with root, it doesn't work.  In terminal, when i type sudo it says "sudo: unable to resolve host JSN-DSKTP", when i try to access anything with root access in the system settings, it doesn't work either
[03:58] <smee> Agent_bob, maybe i should look into that...wireless linux is starting to seem like a myth
[03:58]  * Agent_bob stands a concrete block under Jucato's chair, to replace the missing leg.
[03:59] <Agent_bob> smee that's what they are trying to do with all the propriatary (krap) hardware.  yes.
[04:00] <FroggyTheGreat> Jsn0327 - Drop to recovery mode and enter your hostname into /etc/hosts if it isn't already.
[04:00] <FroggyTheGreat> That should solve your "cannot resolve host" sudo problem.
[04:00] <Jsn0327> it's already there. and in /etc/hostnames
[04:01] <FroggyTheGreat> Um.
[04:01]  * FroggyTheGreat doesn't know, then./
[04:01] <Agent_bob> Jsn0327 as 127.0.0.1 ?
[04:01] <jhutchins> check what hostname is in the sudoers file.
[04:01] <Jsn0327> this is my /etc/hosts
[04:01] <Jsn0327> 127.0.1.1 JSN-DSKTP
[04:01] <Agent_bob> not .1.1
[04:01] <Agent_bob> .0.1
[04:01] <Agent_bob>               ^
[04:02] <jhutchins> !bot
[04:02] <jhutchins> !sudo
[04:02] <Agent_bob> 127.0.0.1 localhost jsn_dsktp
[04:03] <Jsn0327> 127.0.0.1 localhost
[04:03] <fulat2k> hi folks, any idea why knetworkmanager's system tray icon suddenly just dissapears but continues working?
[04:03] <Jsn0327> is what i have
[04:03] <Jsn0327> ok i'll try to add that
[04:03] <Agent_bob> it's case snesitive. but i'm lazy.
[04:03] <FaceOfBoe> hello
[04:04] <jhutchins> He can also boot to rescue mode and unlock the root account.
[04:04] <FaceOfBoe> gotta lil prob....has any1 else had their system freeze @ shutdown after getting the compiz stuff going?
[04:04] <Agent_bob> ummm you said the bad word jhutchins...
[04:04] <Agent_bob> shame shame.
[04:05] <Agent_bob> :)
[04:06] <jhutchins> FaceOfBoe: No, but that's not surprizing.
[04:06]  * genii flogs jhutchins with a soggy kleenex
[04:07] <jhutchins> I thought there used to be a botfaq about fixing a locked sudo system...
[04:07] <FaceOfBoe> any1 got any ideas on how 2 fiX?
[04:07] <jhutchins> FaceOfBoe: power button?  Yank cord?
[04:07] <FaceOfBoe> LoL
[04:08] <jhutchins> By the way, the Face of Beau is Captain Jack.
[04:08] <FaceOfBoe> *YaY* U caught the ref 2 Dr Who
[04:09] <Agent_bob> !yahoo
[04:09] <o0Chris0o> !google
[04:09] <o0Chris0o> :)
[04:09] <Agent_bob> !u
[04:10] <Jsn0327> I logged into recovery shell and added to my /etc/hosts file but i am still getting the same error
[04:10] <Jsn0327> this is what i have now
[04:10] <Jsn0327> 127.0.0.1 localhost JSN-DSKTP
[04:10] <Jsn0327> 127.0.1.1 JSN-DSKTP
[04:10] <Jsn0327> did i do something wrong?
[04:10] <jhutchins> Jsn0327: What's in /etc/sudoers?
[04:10] <Jsn0327> permission denied to read that file
[04:11] <jhutchins> Jsn0327: in recovery mode?
[04:11] <jhutchins> ah, single system.  Makes it a bit tougher.
[04:11] <Jsn0327> what do you mean single system?
[04:11] <Agent_bob> sudo -V
[04:12] <jhutchins> Jsn0327: I mean you're chatting with the same system you're tring to fix, right?
[04:12] <Jsn0327> Sudo version 1.6.9p10
[04:12] <jhutchins> !fixsudo
[04:12] <jhutchins> !sudofix
[04:12] <jhutchins> !aptfix
[04:12] <Jsn0327> Yeah but i can loginto terminal and chat on my tablet
[04:12] <genii> jhutchins: I've queried him at length in pm on variations of those and others. No dice yet
[04:12] <jhutchins> Sorry for the botabuse.  I reallythought there used to be a factoid...
[04:12] <Agent_bob> Jsn0327 irssi  or bitchx
[04:13] <jhutchins> Jsn0327: what was the exact error again?
[04:13] <Jsn0327> sudo: unable to resolve host JSN-DSKTP
[04:13] <jhutchins> Agent_bob: run IRC as root?  NOW who's saying naughty things?
[04:13] <Jsn0327> Agent_bob: what are you asking?
[04:14] <Jsn0327> should i loginto recovery mode and chat with another machine?
[04:14] <jhutchins> Jsn0327: It would be easier.
[04:14] <alexbobp> After upgrading my kubuntu, when I try to execute my old bash scripts, I get "/bin/bash: bad interpreter: Permission denied".  But, I can still run them with "bash <script.sh>".  Any ideas?
[04:14] <Jsn0327> ok
[04:14] <jhutchins> What caused this in the first place?
[04:15] <Agent_bob> Jsn0327 not asking, saying you can use  irssi  or  bitchx to chat from a console.   you can use  openvt -s  to open other consoles when you are in single user mode    and the alt+f#  keys to switch between them.    you can also use  su - <username>   to drop from root to a normal user   so you don't irc as root.
[04:16] <Agent_bob> and i can't even imagine all the holes that telnet as root would open up...
[04:17] <bibek> my setup is confiugred to use BIOS time as GMT, how to change it?
[04:17] <bibek> i'd like the BIOS time to be recognized as local time
[04:18] <Agent_bob> bibek sudo tzconfig
[04:18] <jhutchins> I suspect that the hyphen may be the problem.
[04:19] <bibek> Agent_bob: sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Apr 30 13:59:53 2008
[04:19] <bibek> ??
[04:19] <Jsn032> alright i'm back on antoher machine and in recovery mode
[04:19] <agm> Dolphin does not show ' view>groupe according to type ' option i am on KDE 3.5.8 and Dolphin 0.9.2
[04:20] <Agent_bob> jhutchins you may have hit it.  but i think there is another thing that can cause that same error    it's not actually the hosts/hostname but a shell variable   iirc.       anyway i broke a system that way one time.
[04:20] <Jucato> agm: D3lphin is very limited
[04:20] <Jucato> D3lphin, the KDE 3 Dolphin
[04:20] <Jsn032> what am i looking for in the sudoers file?
[04:20] <agm> but the guide says there should be that optipon
[04:20] <agm> *option
[04:21] <bibstha> im not getting autocomplete on aptitude? weird
[04:21] <Jucato> agm: what guide?
[04:21] <bibstha> like aptitude inst(TAB) doesnot autocomplete how come?
[04:21] <Agent_bob> bibek if you be patient it will catch up....   ;/
[04:21] <jhutchins> bibstha: boot to recovery mode and execute rm -rf /var/run/sudo/*
[04:21] <bibstha> jhutchins oh? recoverymode = sudo init 1?
[04:22] <Agent_bob> jhutchins rebooting will clear /var/run/  wont it?   it's in ram...
[04:22] <jhutchins> !paste | Jsn032
[04:22] <jhutchins> Jsn032: Paste your sudo file if you can.
[04:22] <Jucato> (gonna be hard to paste w/o X :P)
[04:22] <Agent_bob> gpm
[04:22] <Agent_bob> :)
[04:22] <jhutchins> Agent_bob: Hm.  Should.
[04:22] <Jucato> I didn't say "impossible"
[04:22] <o0Chris0o> kde3 can have widgets?
[04:22] <Jucato> :P
[04:23] <jhutchins> Jucato: Huh?  gpm/lynx?
[04:23] <o0Chris0o> I thought thaat was just for 4
[04:23] <Agent_bob> Jucato :)
[04:23] <Jucato> !superkaramba | o0Chris0o
[04:23] <Jsn032> I can't since i'm in root terminal mode. but it's only root ALL=(ALL) ALL
[04:23] <Jucato> jhutchins: yeah. but new/normal users? :)
[04:23] <o0Chris0o> I am there now actualy :)
[04:23] <agm> i am not able to find it now its shows features of Dolphin in details.
[04:23] <Jsn032> and %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL
[04:24] <o0Chris0o> !joke | ubottu
[04:24] <Jucato>  <Jucato> agm: what guide?
[04:24] <Jsn032> Those are the only 2 lines in sudoers that are not commented out
[04:24] <agm> i am not able to find it now its shows features of Dolphin in details.
[04:24] <jhutchins> bibstha: Try sudo -k or sudo -K
[04:24] <Agent_bob> -K
[04:24] <Jucato> agm: what guide are you talking about?!?!?
[04:24] <bibstha> jhutchins ok
[04:25] <bibstha> :) timestamp problem fixed
[04:25] <Jsn032> any ideas?
[04:26] <bibstha> but sudo autocomplete isn't functioning, although i've done sudo apt-get install bash-completion
[04:26] <agm> yah found it http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/applications.php but its for kde4
[04:26] <Jucato> agm: notice you're not using KDE4 :)
[04:26] <Agent_bob> bibstha you have to activate bash_completion    logout/login   should do that.
[04:26] <agm> yah
[04:27] <Jucato> dasreech: you dropped your K
[04:27] <bibstha> Agent_bob: humm, i've restarted already, its still the case, lemme try dpkg-reconfigure once
[04:27] <Jsn032> does anyone know how to fix my sudo problem?
[04:27] <Agent_bob> bibstha wait.
[04:27] <bibstha> Agent_bob: ok
[04:27] <jhutchins> Jsn032: Be patient, we're getting closer.
[04:28] <Jsn032> ok
[04:28] <Agent_bob> bibstha make sure you have a line with  . /etc/bash_completion   in your ~/.bash_bashrc  ro   ~/.profile
[04:28] <Jsn032> i didn't have thsi problem until i upgraded to kbuntu 8
[04:28] <Jsn032> this*
[04:29] <jhutchins> Jsn032: Yeah, it may be a bug.
[04:29] <Agent_bob> bibstha you can grep for it   grep completion ~/.*
[04:29] <jhutchins> Jsn032: what does host JSN-DSKTP return?
[04:30] <Agent_bob> host JSN-DSKTP
[04:30] <Jsn032> Host JSN-DSKTP not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
[04:30] <Agent_bob> host `hostname`        hehhe
[04:31] <jhutchins> Jsn032: WHere did you set your hostname?
[04:32] <Jsn032> i set it along time ago in knetworkmanager.  But i uninstalled it and installed wicd along time ago
[04:32] <Agent_bob> Jsn032 i'm with jhutchins you may have to change your hostname   the dash may be hanging some app out to dry.    it's probably seeing the dash and reading the next letter as a switch
[04:32] <jhutchins> there are rumors of a bug or problem with sudo being more sensitive about hostnames.
[04:32] <Jsn032> well it worked with kbuntu 7.10
[04:33] <bibek_> hi all, i got disconnected
[04:33] <bibek_> anyways, uncommenting three lines in /etc/bash.bashrc did it :D
[04:33] <jhutchins> Right, the rumors say it's more sensitive in 8.whatever.
[04:33] <Jsn032> i should only have to change it in hosts and hostname files right?
[04:33] <Agent_bob> Jsn032 yes i understand that.    but it's still worth a testrun
[04:33] <Jsn032> ok
[04:34] <bibek_> did the final release miss it or was it intentional to disable bash autocomplete?
[04:34] <Jsn032> changed it and am rebooting
[04:34] <Agent_bob> bibek_ ah you turned it on system wide.  that will work.
[04:35] <bibek_> Agent_bob: google to the rescue, was it intentionally disabled in Hardy?
[04:35] <jhutchins> Jsn032: The other thing to do is to delete that second entry for 127.0.1.1 - I believe that is wrong, and having two addresses could be a problem.
[04:35] <Agent_bob> bibek_ i hope it was intentional.
[04:35] <bibek_> aah
[04:35] <bibek_> cool
[04:35] <Jsn032> does anyone know if there is a fix for the white scrambled screen that you get when kubuntu is booting up?
[04:35] <jhutchins> Jsn032: Problem is I'm not positive whereall *buntu stores thehostname.
[04:35] <bibek_> tough time making everything work perfectly :D
[04:36] <jhutchins> Jsn032: Un, no, I don't get a white scrambled screen.  At what point?  Probably adding vga=normal to the kernel parameters would fix it.
[04:36] <Agent_bob> bibek_ heh.    default: the starting point on the very long road to right.
[04:36] <Jsn032> i get it on boot and shutdown.
[04:37] <Jsn032> how do i change that setting?
[04:37] <Ketrel> I'm trying to compile Touchfreeze, but if I use qmake, then it says I'm using too new a version of QT and if I use qmake-qt3, then I get compile errors, can anyone help me with this (provided I pastebin the errors)
[04:38] <jhutchins> Jsn032: Follow the standard grub procedure, press e to edit the menu, go to the line you want to edit, press e again, and find the line with the kernel parameters, e again, add vga=normal, hit enter, hit b to boot.  If that fixes it, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:38] <Jsn032> changing my hostname to JSNDSKTP in both /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname did not work.  Which ip address are you saying that I do not need in /etc/hosts?
[04:38] <jhutchins> Ketrel: Sounds like a touchfreeze problem.
[04:39] <jhutchins> !info touchfreeze
[04:39] <Agent_bob> Jsn032 temp changes can be done at the boot(grub) prompt.   [esc]  select the os to boot and [e]   select the kernel line and [e]  edit the line and [enter] [b]     or a perm. change can be effectioned by editing /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:39] <Ketrel> I know it's not in the repos, that is why i'm trying to compile it
[04:39] <Agent_bob> Jsn032 the  127.0.1.1  was the one he mentioned.
[04:40] <jhutchins> !find touchfreeze
[04:40] <jhutchins> !find touchfreze
[04:40] <jhutchins> broken bot.
[04:40] <jhutchins> Ketrel: Should be in the kde utilities.
[04:40] <Agent_bob> it's the tubble t's
[04:40] <Agent_bob> :)
[04:40] <jhutchins> Jsn032: Sorry 'bout that, try removing the 127.0.1.1 line.
[04:41] <jhutchins> Jsn032: You do not need to reboot.
[04:41] <Jsn032> so remove 127.0.1.1 but leave the other with localhost JSNDSKTP?
[04:41] <jhutchins> Jsn032: Yes.
[04:41] <Jsn032> what do you mean i do not need to reboot?
[04:41] <Ketrel> jhutchins: it's not in the repos at all
[04:41] <jhutchins> Ketrel: It's not a separate package.
[04:41] <jhutchins> Ketrel: apt-cache search I think might find it.
[04:42] <Ketrel> It's not finding it if I search descriptions too?
[04:42] <Ketrel> nothing in apt-cache search either
[04:43] <Ketrel> Is there an alternative program or should I just use syndaemon
[04:43] <Agent_bob> jhutchins if you have the command. you can    grep `which touchfreeze` /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list
[04:44] <jhutchins> Ketrel: It's supposed to be a standard kde utility.
[04:44] <Agent_bob> that will tell you what package installed it
[04:45] <purpleposeidon> Dear Konversation Devs: I want multiline tabs, kthxbai
[04:45] <monkeybritches> I'm sure they'll get on that right away
[04:46] <Agent_bob> might help if you post that in the #konversation channel  ?
[04:46] <Daisuke_Ido> multiline tabs?
[04:46] <FaceOfBoe> Can someone help...I've installed ksmoothdock & don't fancy it.  how do I get rid of it?
[04:46] <purpleposeidon> I might go so far as to suggest that it would be just one line that would be changed, but I doubt it.
[04:46] <jhutchins> Agent_bob: not exactly running 'buntu here.
[04:46] <Agent_bob> jhutchins   traitor !
[04:46] <Daisuke_Ido> use use the tree view (if that's what you're talking about)
[04:46] <Agent_bob> :)
[04:46] <purpleposeidon> Daisuke_Ido: Where the tabs go below other ones if they won't fit in one row
[04:46] <Daisuke_Ido> just*
[04:46] <Ketrel> Agent_bob: and jhutchins
[04:47] <Ketrel> andrew@tux-on-skates:~/Downloads/touchfreeze-pre-0.2$ grep `which touchfreeze` /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list
[04:47] <Ketrel> andrew@tux-on-skates:~/Downloads/touchfreeze-pre-0.2$ grep touchfreeze /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list
[04:47] <Ketrel> andrew@tux-on-skates:~/Downloads/touchfreeze-pre-0.2$
[04:47] <jhutchins> Agent_bob: Yeah, but they don't mind if I try to help you guys too.
[04:47] <Ketrel> both blank
[04:47] <Agent_bob> yeah i was only jesting.
[04:47] <jhutchins> Bah.  Late here, gotta crash.  good luck all.
[04:48] <Agent_bob> Ketrel that only means you don't have it installed via dpkg.    i said if you do have the command/app/executable/file
[04:49] <Ketrel> Agent_bob: oh misread that
[04:49] <Agent_bob> i'm sure i don't have.  i'm using dapper LTS 6.6  not hardy 8.4
[04:49] <Ketrel> in the mean time I am using syndaemon :\
[04:50] <will00> how do i run a .sh file?
[04:50] <Agent_bob> sh file.sh
[04:50] <Mimi> :3 What do you guys use to easiliy record audio from any application? (not microphone)
[04:50] <Mimi> will00:  just drag the file to the terminal? :)
[04:50] <Jsn032> jhutchins:  Removing the second ip address didn't fix it.  Thanks for your help.  I have to get off of here but i'll be back tomorrow night if you or anyone else can think of anything else that might fix it.
[04:50] <o0Chris0o> where can I go to download PyQt 3.13 and imagemagiK
[04:50] <will00> iv tried that, but i get this error "bootinst.sh: 27: Bad substitution"
[04:51] <jhutchins> Jsn032: I think this may be a reporte bug in the new version.  Daytime in Europe is a good time to try again, and google is your friend.
[04:51] <Agent_bob> Jsn032 i'll try to remember that "other" issue that can cause that error message.
[04:51] <jhutchins> !apt o0Chris0o
[04:51] <jhutchins> !apt | o0Chris0o
[04:51] <Jsn032> i have googled this problem a lot.  i have read a lot but no solutions
[04:51] <jhutchins> Obviously need to get to bed.
[04:51] <Jsn032> Agent_bob: thanks
[04:52] <jhutchins> Jsn032: Well, there's always the "just nuke sudo" method.
[04:52] <FaceOfBoe> I'm kind of new to all this.  How do I go about removing ksmoothdock if I don't care for the install? (not showing on the add/remove program option
[04:52] <Jsn032> what is that?
[04:52]  * Agent_bob stands up and cheers for jhutchins
[04:52] <jhutchins> FaceOfBoe: Its probably a configuration option for either kde (kdesu kcontrol) or for ksmoothdock itself - quit it or turn it off.
[04:52] <Agent_bob> ! yea !
[04:52] <prince_jammys> FaceOfBoe: sudo apt-get remove ksmoothdock
[04:52] <o0Chris0o> sudo apt remove ksmoothdock ? dunno
[04:53] <Agent_bob> apt-get ^
[04:53] <FaceOfBoe> prince_jammys: I've tried that....no luck
[04:53] <prince_jammys> i'm not showing any package by that name, though
[04:53] <prince_jammys> FaceOfBoe: how did you install it?
[04:53] <FaceOfBoe> and it runs @ start up
[04:54] <FaceOfBoe> download, compile & install
[04:55] <Agent_bob> !compile
[04:55] <spykedtomato> hi all - just upgraded to hardy - something's wrong with my video drivers, I can't log into kde without the screen being full of junk, but now I've logged into failsafe and things look fine - i have an ATI card.
[04:55] <jhutchins> FaceOfBoe: make uninstall & cross your fingers.
[04:56] <prince_jammys> apparently it's called 'kooldock' now
[04:56] <jhutchins> FaceOfBoe: If you compile a package, you need to build it into a deb for the package manager to know about it.
[04:56] <Agent_bob> don't most source dirs have a file with a list of where/what it installed ?
[04:56] <jhutchins> Agent_bob: Well, you can read the makefile.
[04:57] <Agent_bob> grep /.*/ makefile
[04:57] <genii> If "uninstall" is not a section in the Makefile you may want to try make dist-clean
[04:57] <jhutchins> Agent_bob: there are also build shells that will attempt to capture that info, and if you're smart you capture it to an install log yourself, but most of us are lazy...
[04:58] <spykedtomato> something's wrong with my video drivers (or...?), I can't log into kde without the screen being full of junk, but now I've logged into failsafe and things look fine - i have an ATI card. Anyone help?
[04:58] <jhutchins> !repeat | spykedtomato
[04:58] <o0Chris0o> where can I get PyQt 3.13 for kubuntu?
[04:59] <Agent_bob> jhutchins heh   make install | tee install.list 2> install.errors
[05:00] <Agent_bob> !info pyqt
[05:00] <genii> FaceOfBoe: Instead of the final step in compiling of "sudo make install" look into using "sudo checkinstall" (needs checkinstall package installed). It will build a deb instead which you can use whatever package manager to ..er.. manage.
[05:00] <Agent_bob> o0Chris0o i doone no
[05:01] <prince_jammys> !info python-qt3
[05:01] <o0Chris0o> ahh
[05:01] <prince_jammys> apt-cache search yourpackagename
[05:01] <prince_jammys> and you get matches
[05:02] <FaceOfBoe> I wish I could get rid of this naff dock  :(
[05:02] <Agent_bob> genii you are so helpful.
[05:02] <prince_jammys> FaceOfBoe: you can disable it in the meantime
[05:02] <Agent_bob> no i'm serious.
[05:02] <Agent_bob> genii i can never remember checkinstall for some reason.
[05:02] <FaceOfBoe> how do I disable it when it runs at startup?
[05:02] <prince_jammys> remove it from the autostart dir
[05:03] <Jucato> naff dock?
[05:03] <FaceOfBoe> prince_jammys: how?
[05:03] <genii> FaceOfBoe: Go to the dir you ran "sudo make install" and run "sudo make clean"  or dist-clean to instruct it to remove any binaries and other files it compiled
[05:03] <Agent_bob> rm ~/.kde/Autostart/whatever
[05:04] <genii> Agent_bob: I remember before i knew about checkinstall I was often in the same situation as this fellow :)
[05:04] <Agent_bob> make clean only deletes the binary files in the source dir   the "build" files
[05:04] <prince_jammys> FaceOfBoe: you wouldn't be uninstalling it, just removing a command that runs it every time
[05:04] <Agent_bob> in most makefiles that is ^
[05:05] <genii> Agent_bob: It may take dist-clean. But one or the other will do it
[05:05] <Agent_bob> normally you use "make clean" to clean up a source dir for a fresh build or to pack it in a tarball
[05:06] <Agent_bob> make uninstall   is a common removal tool in the makefile
[05:06] <genii> Agent_bob: Unfortunately many Makefiles don't have an uninstall section
[05:06] <Agent_bob> but i haven't played with that much source  really.
[05:07] <Jucato> (yeah.. stupid Makefiles w/o uninstall...)
[05:07] <FaceOfBoe> tried <<sudo apt-get remove ksmoothdock>> tried <<sudo apt-get rm ksmoothdock>> tried <<make uninstall ksmoothdock>> it won't go away  :(
[05:08] <Agent_bob> genii yeah i know.    but unfortunately most people don't read the HOWTO's and README's in the source dir to find out that a lot of them have additional scripts specally provided to simplify build/install/removal
[05:09] <rootlinuxusr> is there anyway to change the color that shows when I'm selecting objects, like default it's a blue color? ..halp?
[05:09] <FaceOfBoe> the how-to mentions nothing about removal
[05:09] <genii> Agent_bob: This is true, the old adage of Read The Fabulous Manual
[05:09] <FaceOfBoe> I reckon they thought it would be so grand that no one would possibly hate it
[05:10] <Jucato> FaceOfBoe: you can't apt-get what you installed by compiling
[05:10] <Jucato> (generally speaking)
[05:11] <FaceOfBoe> off to try one more thing
[05:11] <Agent_bob> <<make uninstall ksmoothdock>> <<<   you have to be in the source dir.   the 'build root'   and the last word of that is not needed.     i.e. <<make uninstall>>
[05:12] <o0Chris0o> anyone familiar with liquid weather super karamba widget?
[05:13] <o0Chris0o> trying to download it from the website..but..its a .skz file, when its finishes always says corrupt
[05:13] <o0Chris0o> kate trys topen it
[05:13] <Agent_bob> superkaramba...   hmm.  i think i have that installed...  not the weather thingy  just the app
[05:13] <rootlinuxusr> open it in kate save it?
[05:13] <rootlinuxusr> as the regular SK file type?
[05:14] <o0Chris0o> well it opens up, but when its down downloading it says the file is corrupted
[05:14] <o0Chris0o> its like a txt file
[05:14] <o0Chris0o> what other program can I use to open skz files?
[05:15] <Agent_bob> .sk is probably an indicator that it's for supper karamba    and the z might mean zipped
[05:15] <Jucato> o0Chris0o: right-click -> Save As?
[05:15] <Jucato> or use kget integration with konqueror so it will download properly
[05:15] <o0Chris0o> ok let me try
[05:17] <Agent_bob> gnu/linux  systems traditionally ignored all .extentions  and relied entirely upon the file header  to determine the type   over the last five or so years that has changed somewhat,  with the influx of more M$ converts being patreated.
[05:18] <enterusername> hello everyone
[05:18] <enterusername> HOw do i find the restricted mp3 and codecs for kubuntu?
[05:18] <rootlinuxusr> nice un
[05:18] <enterusername> CAn someone give me some mirrors :)
[05:18] <rootlinuxusr> automatix?
[05:18] <Agent_bob> !automatix
[05:18] <prince_jammys> !codecs | EnterUserName
[05:18] <Agent_bob> !mp3
[05:18] <EnterUserName> hows hardy :)
[05:18] <Jucato> EnterUserName: "kubuntu-restricted-extras"
[05:19] <EnterUserName> i already had some issues cuz NV doesnt work nciely with acceleration
[05:19] <EnterUserName> on my video card
[05:19] <EnterUserName> so i had to text install
[05:19] <EnterUserName> well plus i could haev modified to vesa.anyway
[05:20] <andrew> I installed Avant-Window-Navigator (from the repositories) and when I try to run it I get this: http://www.pastebin.ca/1002565
[05:20] <o0Chris0o> actually worked downloading with firefox, wasn't working in konq
[05:20] <rootlinuxusr> so. I'm doing a fresh install, what should I backup?
[05:20] <rootlinuxusr>  /etc/fstab/ the ati drivers debs, and /home, and /var/www, but what else?
[05:20] <Agent_bob> i tried avant back in the nineties
[05:20] <EnterUserName> what about that mirror
[05:20] <EnterUserName> isn't there a special mirror mediubuntu
[05:21] <genii> !medibuntu
[05:21] <Agent_bob> EnterUserName what release of ubuntu are you talking ?
[05:21] <EnterUserName> I'mu sing hardy
[05:21] <EnterUserName> I Just installed hardy
[05:21] <o0Chris0o> not working :( this is the link http://www.message.co.nz/~matt-sarah/lwp-14.8.skz
[05:22] <Agent_bob> EnterUserName umm you shouldn't need medibuntu for mp3 in hardy  but   what do i know.
[05:22] <EnterUserName> Oh Id ont know agent_bob
[05:22] <EnterUserName> I'm new to this ubuntu hardy
[05:22] <EnterUserName> i'm coming from gentoo :)
[05:23] <EnterUserName> So i'm going to see how ubuntu treats me for a week. I killed my gentoo install and i'd figure id try a different flavour because i have to reinstall any way
[05:23] <Agent_bob> EnterUserName from what i head you just try to play an mp3 and up jumps the boogy man with a window asking if you want to install the codec and you say 'jup'
[05:23] <EnterUserName> Agent_bob sounds good. :)
[05:23] <Agent_bob> hear            ^
[05:23] <pottytheshitter> whens kde 4.1 come out?
[05:24] <o0Chris0o> !kde4.1
[05:24] <o0Chris0o> august I heard
[05:24] <rootlinuxusr> lawl
[05:25] <Agent_bob> EnterUserName if that's not the way it works for you,  just come back and ask our own network guru "jucato"   he know all about it
[05:25] <robotgeek> Jucat_o rocks :)
[05:26] <EnterUserName> Agent_bob: Ya.. hm.. Everyone is using ubuntu now
[05:26] <EnterUserName> i feel like a trender now :)
[05:26]  * EnterUserName chuckles
[05:27] <Agent_bob> yeah.   and i probably shouldn't give him such a hard time.    he's too far away to throw rocks at me, if he gets mad...
[05:27] <Agent_bob> EnterUserName heh.
[05:27] <EnterUserName> i was using gentoo
[05:27] <EnterUserName> hah
[05:27] <EnterUserName> no one uses it.
[05:27] <Agent_bob> "trender"    heh.
[05:27] <robotgeek> i have to thank gentoo for my linux introduction.
[05:28] <rootlinuxusr> knoppix here
[05:28] <EnterUserName> Im just worried about my video and my special compilations
[05:28] <rootlinuxusr> well that and phla
[05:28] <rootlinuxusr> k
[05:28] <Agent_bob> i have to thank dialup for my never having tried gentoo
[05:28] <EnterUserName> cuz thats why iwas using gentoo cuz i could choose what i wanted to compile :)
[05:28] <robotgeek> i could not figure out a long time ago, how to install the damn bootloader (after a day of compiling stuff). yaboot. forced me to read up :)
[05:28] <EnterUserName> Sometimes the packagers dont compile everything..
[05:29] <Agent_bob> sw > rh > mdk > ub    i don't jump around much.
[05:29] <rootlinuxusr> so geek check, I've a cat named Linus, and another Zelda
[05:29] <EnterUserName> err
[05:29] <EnterUserName> nope.
[05:29] <EnterUserName> my dogs name chloe :)
[05:30]  * Agent_bob has a computer named phideau
[05:30] <rootlinuxusr> ungodly amounts of penguin plushes, fiancee who installed xubuntu on her own, and a rasterbated Tux image hanging in my room
[05:31] <andrew> I installed Avant-Window-Navigator (from the repositories) and when I try to run it I get this: http://www.pastebin.ca/1002565
[05:31] <EnterUserName> Hey does anyone use amarok with mysql
[05:31] <genii> rootlinuxusr: My penguin is called Ballmer, does that count?
[05:31]  * EnterUserName has used that .. and finds it good..
[05:31] <prince_jammys> andrew i don't know, but look at this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=385981&page=69
[05:32]  * Agent_bob checks out a canadian pastebin
[05:32] <rootlinuxusr> ewww... xD
[05:33] <o0Chris0o> KDE 4.1 Alpha 1 is Out! http://dot.kde.org/1209500572/
[05:34] <prince_jammys> andrew (that link might be useless, I'm not seeing a solution)
[05:34] <Agent_bob> andrew is that a 64 bit install ?    and what exactly did you run to get that stack trace ?
[05:35] <prince_jammys> i think it's just dumped by awn itself
[05:35] <pottytheshitter> !hans
[05:35] <pottytheshitter> !reiser
[05:35] <pottytheshitter> !hansreiser
[05:35] <Agent_bob> prince_jammys you mean it pooped it's own britches ?
[05:36] <Agent_bob> well that would be ugly.
[05:36] <prince_jammys> heh, i have no idea
[05:36] <hydrogen> pottytheshitter: please change your nick to something more appropriate.
[05:36] <prince_jammys> andrew did you try reinstalling it following the guide?
[05:37] <Agent_bob> it looks like it's writen for gnome anyway
[05:38] <prince_jammys> i guess he did, since you he says it's from the repos
[05:38] <prince_jammys> s/you//
[05:38] <Agent_bob>      ^
[05:38] <prince_jammys> just practicing my pronouns
[05:38] <Agent_bob> :)
[05:39] <Agent_bob> i you he she it    </seven times fast>
[05:39] <andrew> prince_jammys: I just used the repos.  I'm going to try compiling it myself next
[05:39] <purpleposeidon> Interesting... `which notepad` runs notepad if you have wine
[05:40] <andrew> Agent_bob: 32 bit and I didn't run anything, it came when I tryed running via console
[05:40] <Agent_bob> purpleposeidon the links in your $HOME/.wine/something/notepad.exe
[05:41] <Agent_bob> andrew the "gnome misnamed console"  or the true linux tty console ?
[05:41] <prince_jammys> yep, /usr/bin/notepad
[05:42] <purpleposeidon> Agent_bob: Usually, `which foo` prints out the location of foo if it's executable, not run it. :P
[05:42] <prince_jammys> did you do it with backticks or without?
[05:42] <Agent_bob> purpleposeidon but which only searches your $PATH
[05:42] <purpleposeidon> prince_jammys: Oh, err, right, duh, nvm. Xp
[05:43] <prince_jammys> hehe
[05:43] <Agent_bob> purpleposeidon wine "could" install it's notepad anyplace and still find it via the symlink in your home.
[05:43] <prince_jammys> a round-about way of running something `which firefox`
[05:44] <prince_jammys> $(which firefox) if you want to type an extra char
[05:44] <mrmonkeyman> I'm trying to format a hard drive with qtparted and even though it says correct size and I format it. Free space is only 10 gb
[05:44] <Agent_bob> a rounder abouter way   $(basename `which something`)
[05:44] <dbglt> is there a way to re-setup the multimedia keys of my keyboard in kde4? They worked fine in previous versions of kde (automatically found + used)
[05:44] <andrew> Agent_bob: konsole
[05:44] <andrew> Agent_bob: I can't use the tty console due to some bug
[05:45] <Agent_bob> andrew ok   the reason i asked was that one would be forced to fail (the console tty one) while the other "should" work.
[05:46] <Agent_bob> andrew that stack dump  is too techy for me.   but i can tell you that it is not normal.   you should file a bug on that.
[05:47] <Agent_bob> nothing should dump that much data to a terminal just because it fails and aborts
[05:47] <prince_jammys> andrew you could try the tried and true method of googling "ubuntu|kubuntu avant window navigator" plus some significant chunks of that error message.
[05:48] <prince_jammys> that's how i came about that (useless) link
[05:48] <mrmonkeyman> Number  Start   End    Size   File system  Flags
[05:48] <mrmonkeyman>  1      0.00kB  251GB  251GB  ext3
[05:48] <dbglt> anyone aware why my multimedia keys which worked fine kde 3.5, now do not work in kde4? Since I upgraded to new version
[05:48] <purpleposeidon>  Regression?
[05:49] <Agent_bob> andrew line 7 and 8 are the lines that one would think useful to fixing that.
[05:50] <zPliskin> anyone kows if its normal that file transfer doesnt work wth kopete?
[05:51] <andrew> Agent_bob: That's what I'm doing (as it segfaults when I compile it too)
[05:51] <Agent_bob> it looks like a glibc issue
[05:52] <Agent_bob> hope it's avaunt's issue with glibc and not a glibc bug
[05:52] <o0Chris0o> zPliskin: works fine for me, are you through a router? might have to forward your ports
[05:52] <Agent_bob> the first is confined to the app the second will/can affect everything.
[05:53] <zPliskin> meh yeah maybe, thanks chris. although with gaim it worked fine :\
[05:53] <o0Chris0o> probably was usign a different port
[05:53] <Agent_bob> !WorksForMe
[05:54] <zPliskin> now i need to fix ventrilo :(
[05:54] <o0Chris0o> now that is gay
[05:54] <o0Chris0o> lmao
[05:54] <zPliskin> it doesnt detect any mixers
[05:54] <zPliskin> i don't understand
[05:55] <o0Chris0o> !dumb
[05:57] <zPliskin> everytime i start a song with amarok, it freezes for 10 secs
[05:57] <andrew> Agent_bob: I may have found the solution
[05:57] <Agent_bob> ?
[05:57] <andrew> Agent_bob: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/avant-window-navigator/+bug/188654
[05:57] <andrew> Long story short, I need x11-dbus
[05:58] <andrew> which isn't listed as a dependency
[05:58] <Agent_bob> ah ok.
[05:58]  * Agent_bob wonders why generic dbus is not sufficient
[06:00] <Agent_bob> and also why that would keep it from launching.
[06:00] <Agent_bob> that bug is bigger than a missing dependancy.  although adding that package may make it work,  it doesn't explain why a dirrectly called app would fail to start for want of a system bus call
[06:01] <Agent_bob> umm i think i have seen another app do that if dbus wasn't running...
[06:01]  * Agent_bob goes to investigate
[06:04] <Agent_bob> hmm i can't find one that wont...
[06:05]  * Jucato sekretly plots to have Agent_bob and robotgeek ircnapped
[06:05] <o0Chris0o> !ircnapped
[06:05] <o0Chris0o> heh
[06:05] <o0Chris0o> !kidnapped
[06:06] <o0Chris0o> !sleep
[06:06] <Jucato> !botabuse | o0Chris0o
[06:06] <o0Chris0o> lol
[06:06] <eddieftw> be careful, Jucato is dangerous
[06:07] <Agent_bob> o0Chris0o /exec -o sleep 12hours
[06:08]  * Agent_bob watches chris kill his irc client to get it to respond again.
[06:08] <Agent_bob> :)
[06:08] <Agent_bob> sorry
[06:08] <Agent_bob> it would have woke up in 12 hours
[06:08] <o0Chris0o> Id idn't do it
[06:08] <o0Chris0o> I just made ya think I did
[06:08] <o0Chris0o> :)
[06:08] <Jucato> Agent_bob: careful now :)
[06:09] <Agent_bob> Jucato it can't hurt anything.
[06:09] <Agent_bob> it's just the client taking a nap
[06:09] <Jucato> yeah.. but not everyone might take the humor lightly :)
[06:09] <Jucato> (and someone might even do it... O.o)
[06:10] <Jucato> oh well.. just saying be careful :)
[06:10]  * Agent_bob hopes some do...
[06:10] <Agent_bob> :)
[06:11] <Agent_bob> ummm it's just h not hours anyway.
[06:11]  * Agent_bob corrects.
[06:11] <Agent_bob> o0Chris0o /exec -o sleep 12h
[06:11] <Agent_bob> now.
[06:11] <Agent_bob> (:
[06:11] <o0Chris0o> heh
[06:12] <o0Chris0o> I take it you had that done before and want to take it out on someone else?
[06:12] <o0Chris0o> lol
[06:12] <Agent_bob> no i just made it up.
[06:13] <Agent_bob> actually i have only had one good "prank" pulled on me.
[06:13] <o0Chris0o> cool you should test it first :)
[06:13] <o0Chris0o> lol
[06:13] <Agent_bob> ok.
[06:13] <Agent_bob> like that
[06:14] <o0Chris0o> I've been pranked, and tricked a lot a few times
[06:14] <Agent_bob> heh.
[06:14] <o0Chris0o> do it in console
[06:14] <Agent_bob> i did.
[06:14] <Agent_bob> i'm in console.
[06:14]  * Agent_bob is a tty user.
[06:14] <Agent_bob> pure CLI here mate.
[06:15] <o0Chris0o> cool
[06:15] <o0Chris0o> I couldn't do that
[06:15] <o0Chris0o> to boring
[06:15] <Agent_bob> why ?
[06:15] <o0Chris0o> need some eye candy
[06:15] <Agent_bob> bah.  eyecandy isn't all its painted up to be
[06:15] <Agent_bob> pun intended
[06:16] <o0Chris0o> I rather see pictures, graphics..etc...I am a graphic artist, so it tends to help out
[06:16] <o0Chris0o> btw is gimp comparable to adobe ps?
[06:17] <eddieftw> eye candy makes you dependent on a gui and worse at knowing what is going on in your system
[06:17] <o0Chris0o> not entirely
[06:17] <o0Chris0o> maybe for a few
[06:17] <eddieftw> ...
[06:18] <eddieftw> right...
[06:18] <Agent_bob> for most.
[06:18] <Agent_bob> foremost ?
[06:18] <Agent_bob> 4 most
[06:18] <o0Chris0o> opinnions are always appreciated everywhere :)
[06:19] <Agent_bob> check the avarage computer user    it's not an openion.  it's a fact.
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[06:21] <hydrogen> wait
[06:21] <hydrogen> Its now a bad thing to expect a gui?
[06:21] <hydrogen> oh, I see
[06:21] <prince_jammys> yes, shame on you
[06:21] <Agent_bob> hydrogen no one said it was a bad thing.
[06:21] <hydrogen> my time machine malfunctioned and set me back to 1993 :/
[06:21] <hydrogen> sent*
[06:22] <kaminix> Can anyone give a quick command to encode a high quality h264 video file to something not as hq so that I can play it?
[06:22] <prince_jammys> does it have a gui?
[06:22] <o0Chris0o> must be M$ owned
[06:22] <hydrogen> I'll go back to 2008 and things will be sane again
[06:22] <Agent_bob> hydrogen :)
[06:23] <Agent_bob> !remux
[06:23] <noaXess> good morning..
[06:23] <noaXess> how to ad another spell checking language?
[06:23] <sysop> hi room
[06:24] <o0Chris0o> !botabuse | Agent_bob
[06:24] <o0Chris0o> there it is
[06:24] <Agent_bob> noaXess add an i18 for that lang and a language pack for the checking app    ifinnish-large - A large Finnish dictionary for Ispell    for example.
[06:24] <o0Chris0o> ./msg ubotu Bot
[06:24] <Agent_bob> /msg ?
[06:25] <noaXess> Agent_bob: you mean under system settings - regional & language - country/region & language -> languages?
[06:26] <o0Chris0o> how do I see what cmds are available for the bot?
[06:26] <Agent_bob> noaXess no.   i mean a package.  you can search the packages for what you need.
[06:26] <Jucato> noaXess: no. as in aspell-something for that language
[06:26] <Jucato> (if you're using aspell)
[06:26] <Agent_bob> !info ifrench
[06:26] <noaXess> aha..
[06:27] <noaXess> over adept manager or apt-get
[06:27] <Greenery> my kubuntu kept losing sound and i did check alsamixer and i see nothing wrong there, everything is set correctly
[06:27] <Agent_bob> yea
[06:27] <prince_jammys> !factoids | o0Chris0o
[06:27] <prince_jammys> blah
[06:27] <DaemonLee> Hey. I got a problem with my laptop.  The touchpad doesn't work, but my USB Logitech Mouse does....Any idea how to fix this?
[06:28] <o0Chris0o> alrighty
[06:28] <o0Chris0o> lol
[06:28] <Agent_bob> !touchpad
[06:29] <DaemonLee> Thank you.
[06:29] <Agent_bob> DaemonLee you may want to reserve until you see if that helps.
[06:30] <o0Chris0o> oh yeah, hey guys, I have a media dock on my pc that reads all types of cards, also front usb slots, how would I install the driver? download wine and install the exe?
[06:30] <Agent_bob> ?
[06:30] <Jucato> that wouldn't work
[06:30] <Agent_bob> have you tested the front slots to see if they work?
[06:31] <Agent_bob> and ^ what he said.
[06:31] <o0Chris0o> nah, I kinda figured they wouldn't because I needed to install drivers when I did a clean install of vista before
[06:31] <o0Chris0o> thats why I asked :)
[06:31] <Agent_bob> well try them.
[06:31] <Agent_bob> don't assume that things wont work.
[06:32]  * Agent_bob sets ignore on o0Chris0o for that....
[06:32] <Greenery> can anyone help with my audio problem?
[06:33] <o0Chris0o> don't work
[06:33] <Agent_bob> Greenery !i
[06:33] <Agent_bob> o0Chris0o how did you test it ?
[06:33] <o0Chris0o> usb flash drive
[06:33] <DaemonLee> Agent_bob: Kate crashed out.
[06:33] <DaemonLee> Any idea how that would happen?
[06:34] <Lynoure> I'm trying to connect an external monitor to my laptop, but not having much success. Could someone help me?
[06:35] <Agent_bob> DaemonLee ummm trying to save to a file that you can no longer write to?  trying to open something that has binary code in it?  bug in the app?    or my favorite "you upgraded to hardy" ?
[06:36] <Lynoure> It feels frustrating to have a new external monitor that only works in MS Windows.
[06:36] <Agent_bob> Lynoure dual-head?  or just use the new display ?
[06:36] <FuriousGeorge> hey all
[06:36] <FuriousGeorge> just tried the latest kubuntu
[06:36] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: I'd prefer to just use the external one when the laptop is attached to it (almost always)
[06:37] <FuriousGeorge> it doesnt seem to have a driver for my jmicron jmb368 pata controller
[06:37] <FuriousGeorge> thats the only hard drive i have, am i SOL?
[06:37] <FuriousGeorge> i havent been able to find a linux distro that supports it
[06:37] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: but I'll settle for cloning or dualhead or anything that lets me at least use the external monitor.
[06:38] <Agent_bob> Lynoure ummm reconfigure xorg selecting the new pci:buss address and the monitor type ?    i'm not sure that they didn't mess that up in hardy.  but you can try.   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg
[06:38] <Jucato> anyone know where mesa-utils (or glxinfo) is now?
[06:39] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: reconfigure xorg did not let me say anything about the monitors
[06:39] <Agent_bob> !dualhead | Lynoure an alternative might be...
[06:39] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: assuming  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg was right?
[06:39] <DaemonLee> Agent_bob: 1st off, Fresh install (I hate upgrading distros), sudo'd to open /etc/apt/sources.list, and my damn sources list better not have any BINs in it!
[06:40] <Agent_bob> Lynoure the -plow should ask about the bus address.   lshw -C display   or  lspci  should inform you.
[06:40] <Agent_bob> Lynoure yes.   sudo  dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg
[06:41] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: Would you recommend using framebuffer?
[06:41] <Agent_bob> DaemonLee eeek.  sudo kate ????     kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:41] <Agent_bob> Lynoure no
[06:42] <Agent_bob> absolutely no.
[06:42] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: still, it asked nothing about the monitors
[06:43] <Agent_bob> Lynoure hmmm i heard that they messed that up.    leave it to ubuntu to "automagic" something to the point of it being worthless.
[06:43] <o0Chris0o> just wondering, what if you restart the laptop with the monitor plugged in, would that make any difference?
[06:43] <DaemonLee> r00t@Tux:~$ kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:43] <DaemonLee> bash: kdesudo: command not found
[06:43] <DaemonLee> r00t@Tux:~$
[06:43] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: resulting xorg.conf has less detail than the earlier one. Is more settings stored somewhere else?
[06:43] <DaemonLee> Agent_bob: That's for you, up there.
[06:43] <Agent_bob> DaemonLee  gksudo ?
[06:44] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: I saw the xkdb thing too, yeah :)
[06:45] <Agent_bob> Lynoure no.  but some things may just use the defaults.   xorg will default a lot of it's own config if the info is not there.
[06:46] <DaemonLee> Agent_bob:
[06:46] <DaemonLee> r00t@Tux:~$ gksudo  kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:46] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: so I guess I should test it's default too. brb
[06:46] <DaemonLee> bash: gksudo: command not found
[06:46] <DaemonLee> r00t@Tux:~$
[06:46] <Agent_bob> Lynoure yeah.
[06:46] <Agent_bob> !kdesudo
[06:46] <stdin> Darkest: try kdesu
[06:47] <Agent_bob> DaemonLee what version is that ?
[06:47] <DaemonLee> *ahem* I fixed it, SOMEONE gave me the wrong sudo command. ;)
[06:48] <Agent_bob> this one "kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list" ?
[06:48] <kaminix> Where do I find the crash report for my X which crashed just now?
[06:49] <DaemonLee> Yeah.
[06:49] <DaemonLee> It's not that.
[06:49] <DaemonLee> Drop the 'do' and you got it.
[06:49] <Agent_bob> kaminix ummm ~/.xsession_error   or something like that.   and /var/log/Xorg*.log
[06:50] <Agent_bob> DaemonLee you didn't answer what version of ubuntu are you running there ?
[06:50] <DaemonLee> Oh. 8.04
[06:50] <DaemonLee> KDE4
[06:50] <kaminix> Thanks Agent_bob, it's bug report time!
[06:50] <DaemonLee> AMD64
[06:50] <Agent_bob> then it should be kdesudo
[06:50] <DaemonLee> It's not. It's kdesu
[06:50] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: no change. Logon screen on the external again, then nothing on it and all on laptop screen
[06:50] <DaemonLee> I shit, you not. It's kdesu.
[06:51] <Jucato> ahem... language please. thanks
[06:51]  * Agent_bob likes not to be dookied
[06:51] <Jucato> kdesu symlinks to kdesudo if kdesudo is installed
[06:51] <pingveno> Is there a way to activate Python style indenting in Kate in KDE 4?
[06:52] <DaemonLee> Sorry, Jucato.
[06:52] <Agent_bob> Jucato didn't hardy default to kdesudo ?
[06:52] <Jucato> pingveno: nothing in the Settings?
[06:52] <Agent_bob> Lynoure check the bus address and set it manually
[06:52] <Jucato> Agent_bob: yes it defaults to kdesudo being installed by default. *but* kdesu is still symlinked to kdesudo. kdesu is still there
[06:53] <Jucato> (and if kdesudo is uninstalled, kdesu behaves as before)
[06:53] <pingveno> Tools > Indentation used to have Python in it in KDE 3.
[06:53] <Jucato> hm.. I don't have kate4 here right now...
[06:53] <pingveno> Is it time to head over to #kde ?
[06:53] <Agent_bob> so he had to remove the package to achieve that behaviour ?
[06:54] <Jucato> pingveno: or #kate... but first check in Settings -> Configure Kate -> Editor -> Editing -> indentation tab or something
[06:54] <Jucato> pingveno: are you sure you're using kate and not kwrite?
[06:54] <DaemonLee> So, I had to remove that package somehow, via some magickal way, through my install? ;)
[06:54] <Jucato> Agent_bob: lemme scroll up first
[06:54] <Agent_bob> Jucato <DaemonLee> bash: gksudo: command not found
[06:54] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: set it manually where/how? I don't really know anything about using external monitors on laptop. Do I just make another "Monitor" section or Screen section or both?
[06:54] <pingveno> It's Kate, unless the task bar has suddenly and mysteriously stopped functioning correctly.
[06:54] <Agent_bob> err sorry but same with kdesudo
[06:54] <Jucato> well, gksu/gksudo is a totally different story
[06:55] <Agent_bob> Lynoure just a sec i'll get an example
[06:55] <Agent_bob> Jucato ^^
[06:55] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: ok, thanks :)
[06:56] <Agent_bob> same error report for kdesudo
[06:56] <kaminix> Is x crashing out of nowhere a security vulnerability?
[06:56] <Jucato> Agent_bob: well then kdesudo might have been uninstalled sometime...
[06:56] <Jucato> dunno when :)
[06:56] <Agent_bob> Lynoure in the device section with the graphics driver there is a line           Driver          "nv"
[06:56] <Agent_bob>         BusID           "PCI:1:0:0"
[06:56] <f00f> kaminix: depends on what's causing it to crash :)
[06:56] <Agent_bob> the busID is where you force it to the other port
[06:56] <Agent_bob> iirc
[06:57] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: I had that in my original config
[06:57] <Agent_bob> use   lshw | less
[06:57] <f00f> kaminix: most of the time it's not a security problem, it's just really annoying :)
[06:57] <kaminix> Well, there we go anyway. :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/224541
[06:57] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: exceps driver was ati and buside PCI:1:0:0
[06:57] <Agent_bob> Jucato k.
[06:58] <Agent_bob> Lynoure yes that.   check the   lshw | less
[06:59] <Agent_bob> "PCI:1:0:0" <<< is address for real agp
[06:59] <Agent_bob> additional ports should be listed
[06:59] <f00f> kaminix: hmm.. it's not X's problem
[06:59] <f00f> your kde libs are broken
[07:00] <kaminix> f00f: My kde libs are Kubuntus KDE libs. :)
[07:00] <DaemonLee> Why are updates taking so unbearingly long?
[07:00] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/m22d51541
[07:01] <f00f> looks like it doesn't like your libcrypto, check if you have the latest version of kde and libcrypto installed
[07:01] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: I think that was the part dealing with the gpu.
[07:01] <f00f> kaminix: forgot to ask, is this hardy or gutsy?
[07:02] <kaminix> f00f: As I wrote in the bug report title, Hardy :)
[07:02] <Agent_bob> bus info: pci@0000:00:01.0   and  bus info: pci@0000:01:00.0   so try the other.  see if it doz it.
[07:02] <f00f> kaminix: fresh install, or upgraded?
[07:02] <kaminix> Fresh
[07:03] <f00f> kaminix: if kdecore is broken... hmm.. so kde dosen't even start?
[07:04] <sigma_1234> is the kde 4.1 alpha going to be packaged for kubuntu?
[07:04] <kaminix> f00f: It does start
[07:04] <neshikitargentin> Escriba el texto aquí....shalom!
[07:04] <neshikitargentin> shalom shalom!!! mi Argenitna!!!
[07:05] <f00f> I don't see anything wrong in your xconfig... are you using compiz?
[07:05] <neshikitargentin> shalom!.. se lee?
[07:05] <Agent_bob> !il
[07:05] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: so that's PCI:0:01:0 is xorg shorthand, right?
[07:06] <neshikitargentin> shalom! ani ohevet Israel
[07:06] <neshikitargentin> ani Argentina Patagonia...
[07:06] <Agent_bob> yeah.  but i'm thinking that's not it.   i'm thinking you just add a port...     PCI:1:0:1     but i'm totally confused now.   been to long.
[07:06] <f00f> kaminix: are you using compiz?
[07:06] <Agent_bob> Lynoure ^
[07:07] <kaminix> f00f: Nope
[07:07] <Jucato> !es | neshikitargentin
[07:07] <neshikitargentin> ANI ARGENTINA PATAGONIA!
[07:07] <Jucato> !br
[07:07] <f00f> kaminix: does this happen frequently?
[07:08] <Agent_bob> !pt
[07:08] <Agent_bob> ohh Jucato beet me to it.
[07:08] <Agent_bob> sorry.
[07:09] <Agent_bob> Lynoure ummm you can    lspci -vv | less    and see if there is more than one addrress on that device.
[07:09] <neshikitargentin> OK UBURRU ESTOY PERDIDA
[07:10] <Jucato> neshikitargentin: English only
[07:10] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: I'm confused now too. pci@0000:00:01.0 and pci@0000:01:00.0 merge into something?
[07:10] <o0Chris0o> can you get pc fonts for linux?
[07:11] <Agent_bob> they are both parts of your graphics card
[07:12] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: lspci only gives me 01:00.0
[07:12] <f00f> o0Chris0o: define PC fonts.. like truetype?
[07:12] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: but I guess I could try that with the otherwise automatic config
[07:12] <Agent_bob> it's so much easier when there is more than one card involved.
[07:13] <Agent_bob> Lynoure yeah.    and i'll go look some more.  maybe we can get it.
[07:13]  * Agent_bob doesn't give up easily
[07:14] <f00f> o0Chris0o: most fonts will work on linux, ttf especially, I think you have to install it in /usr/share/fonts and then run fc-cache -fv though
[07:14] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: that would be nice. This is the first time in my life I'm wondering if Linux is not ready for office use (as most offices now have laptops with external monitors). It feels weird.
[07:14] <f00f> anyway.. I g2g bed good night
[07:14] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: anyway, brb again
[07:17] <ora> Will kubuntu update its kde4 when  4.04 etc...release?
[07:19] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: this time no login screen on the external monitor, just Check Signal Cable, I guess it's not being sent anything now...
[07:19] <o0Chris0o> anyone here thats on M$ Winders?
[07:19] <o0Chris0o> send me ur fonts! lol
[07:19] <DaemonLee> !touchpad
[07:19] <Agent_bob> Lynoure ok.    back to what you had and add a section.   http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m7f3a108c
[07:20] <Lynoure> o0Chris0o: sudo aptitude install msttcorefonts
[07:20] <Agent_bob> Lynoure i got that from a non-english page  so i can't post the section name.   device should work.
[07:20] <o0Chris0o> Lynoure: is that M$ fonts?
[07:20] <o0Chris0o> nvm
[07:20] <o0Chris0o> mis read the name :-p
[07:20] <kaminix> Anyone know what the Hardy CDs will look like? Think I'll refrain from getting them from ShipIt myself this time due to not having used my CDs the last time.
[07:21] <Lynoure> o0Chris0o: see with apt-cache show msttcorefonts  , I assume the very thing you asked for. "lol"
[07:21] <o0Chris0o> :)
[07:22] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: just an empty device section like I had before, or something in it? (note, this very Device section I have now gives login screen with the non-automatic config I had before, weirdly)
[07:23] <Agent_bob> Lynoure    http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m7f3a108c
[07:25] <tushar> hi
[07:25] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: these are both LCDs I guess I should change those CRT things to something?
[07:26] <Lynoure> I'm still wondering about the "new Screen Resolution utility that allows users to dynamically configure the resolution, refresh rate, and rotation of a second monitor. This will be particularly handy for laptop users that connect to a projector or external monitor" that was supposed to come in Hardy
[07:26] <FuriousGeorge> ii notice the kubuntu livecd comes with kernel sources
[07:26] <FuriousGeorge> but i cant make menuconfig
[07:26] <FuriousGeorge> i need to load a module in order to install onto my pata drive
[07:26] <surplusxmas> My Kubuntu install fails at "Select and install software" and this appears to be common, but I can't find a solution. Kubuntu 8.04, verified the CD wasn't corrupt, Pentium D 3GHz, 1GB RAM, 300GB SATA
[07:26] <FuriousGeorge> i tried to just 'make' but it failed, which makes me think it wouldnt work anyway
[07:27] <Agent_bob> Lynoure have you tried  aticonfig --initial=dual-head
[07:27] <FuriousGeorge> even if i could get the source
[07:27] <FuriousGeorge> am i going about this the right way?
[07:28] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: I don't have aticonfig. Maybe it's for the closed driver?
[07:29] <Agent_bob> maybe
[07:29] <FuriousGeorge> actually it has headers
[07:29] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: if at all possible I'd like to stick to the open one... I'm a bit fond of FLOSS.
[07:29] <FuriousGeorge> not source, i guess i need to grab kernel sources matching my running kernel, right?
[07:29] <FuriousGeorge> then try to make the kernel module i need
[07:30] <Agent_bob> Lynoure heh    Fn+F7
[07:30] <Agent_bob> Lynoure yeah.  i'm with you on opensource freedom
[07:34] <Agent_bob> Lynoure ah here is a good source.  far better than what i can do.   http://gentoo-wiki.com/Index:HOWTO#X_Server
[07:35] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: Fn+F7?
[07:36] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: Do you mean that thingy with external screen? (Fn+F4 on this one) I press it occasionally, have not noticed it affecting much
[07:36] <Agent_bob> Lynoure it was in an artical about this.  saying that it would flip you from the lcd to the external monitor and back.
[07:37] <Agent_bob> Lynoure i didn't expect it to actually work.  but just mentioned it anyway.
[07:37] <Agent_bob> Lynoure  http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dual_Monitors   this might help.
[07:41] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: thank you for your help so far. I think I'll have a break and then read those...
[07:41] <Agent_bob> that seems to only have Xinerama smeered display     you weren't looking for that
[07:42] <Agent_bob> i'll keep looking.
[07:43] <o0Chris0o> you guys know that kubuntu 4.1 Alpha 1 is out?
[07:44] <Agent_bob> Lynoure  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d449f08e7    might be a good work around
[07:45] <o0Chris0o> oops
[07:45] <o0Chris0o> I mean KDE :-p
[07:45]  * Jucato knows of course
[07:45] <Agent_bob> how would he know ???
[07:45] <Agent_bob> :)
[07:46] <o0Chris0o> does it go through alpha, beta then final release?
[07:46] <Agent_bob> man.   Jucato is so smart.  he knows everything about kde and networking...   :)))
[07:47]  * Jucato also knows how to kick people from #kubuntu >:)
[07:47] <ses59_> I messed up the panel on my desktop and would like to reset to default settings How can I do this?
[07:47] <Jucato> ses59_: KDE 4?
[07:47] <Jucato> or 3?
[07:47] <ses59_> kde 4 with plasma
[07:47] <Agent_bob> >:]
[07:47] <Jucato> #kubuntu-kde4 please
[07:48] <ses59_> ok thank you
[07:48]  * Agent_bob starts chisseling on a certain concrete block...
[07:55] <biobiazzo> io
[07:56] <biobiazzo> posso
[07:56] <biobiazzo> salve
[07:56] <biobiazzo> desti
[07:56] <biobiazzo> ci sei
[07:56] <o0Chris0o> !es
[07:56] <Firefishe> I am wondering what might be the most optimized file system for debian.  I normally use ext3, but am wondering if another file system might be more efficient.  Where might I find information on this subject?
[07:57] <Firefishe> kubuntu, rather
[07:58] <o0Chris0o> !filesystem | Firefishe
[07:58] <FuriousGeorge> ive come to realize my best bet for loading this module (for jmb368 pata controller) may be to copy kernel sources to my kubuntu ramdisk, and attempt to build and load the kernel module
[07:58] <Firefishe> thank you ubottu
[07:58] <FuriousGeorge> then i assume i will have hdc, which i will be able to install linux on
[07:58] <FuriousGeorge> does that sound feasible to you guys
[07:58] <FuriousGeorge> ?
[08:01] <o0Chris0o> I'm clueless FuriousGeorge. I am fairly new, I wish Ic ould help
[08:02] <o0Chris0o> it is a hard drvie correct?
[08:02] <o0Chris0o> drive*
[08:05] <Agent_bob> Jucato you keep them streight in here.    see you menyana i reccon
[08:10] <FuriousGeorge> o0Chris0o: its the controller for my hd
[08:10] <o0Chris0o> oic
[08:10] <FuriousGeorge> so the result is that i cant see my hd, cuz i dont have the module for the controller, and so i cant install linux
[08:11] <o0Chris0o> too bad you couldn't use a generice driver
[08:11] <Firefishe> Is it possible to change an installed distro's filesystem from one to another without reinstalling?
[08:11] <o0Chris0o> generic
[08:12] <o0Chris0o> Firefishe: I don't think thats possible, I could be wrong, I think it would screw up the kernal
[08:12] <o0Chris0o> id ask someone else in here that is more knowledgable tho :)
[08:12] <Firefishe> I didn't think so, either.
[08:13] <Firefishe> I"m looking for the most desirable file system for my laptop
[08:14] <o0Chris0o> I see
[08:16] <moon`> okay, first time ubuntu user help page directed me here for questions.  I just installed ubuntu and I'm having trouble getting the sound to work
[08:17] <moon`> where can I find drivers if the manufacturer doesn't have support for themn
[08:17] <moon`> them rather
[08:17] <eddieftw> moon`: you're going to have to provide more details
[08:17] <eddieftw> what kind of computer, audio card, which manufacturer, etc.
[08:17] <eddieftw> !sound | moon`
[08:18] <eddieftw> i assume youve seen that bot output before as well
[08:18] <moon`> actually no, I've literally been using ubuntu for about fifteen minutes right now
[08:18] <moon`> no prior linux experience if that matters :p
[08:18] <eddieftw> :P okay, check that bot page, and see if any of that helps
[08:19] <NibiruET> Anyone on channel using "Kima" applet?
[08:19] <moon`> as far as computer home built, audio card is asoundblaster x-fi xtreme pcie... okay I'll do some reading
[08:21] <Firefishe> moon: how are you liking the penguin?
[08:22] <moon`> well, first impression was the install was pretty quick and clean, haven't had any problems but I might've screwed up downloading the 64bit version of ubuntu because I don't think there's a lot of support for various programs
[08:22] <moon`> i.e. flash
[08:23] <Firefishe> flash is a problem on linux in general
[08:23] <Firefishe> too bad macromedia won't gpl some code so it--and shockwave--will work on linux
[08:23] <moon`> other things like that, I could be wrong. Tried using gentoo at first, and that was a royal pain in the ass, I was told it's a bad distro to start out learning on unless you're extremely patient and very dilligent
[08:23] <moon`> oh
[08:23] <Firefishe> source based distros can be problematic, especially if you're new
[08:23] <Firefishe> gotta have fast net, to.o
[08:24] <Firefishe> too
[08:24] <moon`> yeah, i've got a quick connection, I'm just not very fluent in any commands from a shell
[08:24] <Firefishe> I'm thinking of building a Linux-From-Scratch, a/k/a LFS, system one of these days for something to do.
[08:24] <eddieftw> moon`: if you want to learn, there are lots of places to go. it takes time to learn the shell though
[08:25] <Firefishe> but starting there and mastering some of the more common commands, and even learning some basic shell scripting, will help you in the long run.
[08:25] <o0Chris0o> !shell | moon`
[08:26] <moon`> yeah, I'd like to learn the shell so I could start using gentoo on another machine
[08:26] <eddieftw> menu applications. how cute. katapult is the way to go...
[08:26] <moon`> one big reason switching from ms to linux was security though
[08:26] <eddieftw> installing gentoo will teach you a ton about linux real quick
[08:26] <kristian__> hi
[08:26] <moon`> hehe, I don't know about the real quick part
[08:27] <Firefishe> Kubuntu GNU/Linux Joke of the Day:  What did the Dalek (from Doctor Who) say when it's linux system was locking up?  A.  xkill|
[08:27] <eddieftw> unless you break everything and dont know what to do
[08:27] <Firefishe> blast
[08:27] <Firefishe> can't type tonight
[08:27] <moon`> eddieftw: pretty much my first experience with it
[08:27] <Firefishe> Kubuntu GNU/Linux Joke of the Day:  What did the Dalek (from Doctor Who) say when it's linux system was locking up?  A.  xkill | xterm(inate)
[08:27] <moon`> eddieftw: second one went alright because I had someone do the install remotely from the gentoo help channel, then about fifteen minutes later I was at the same spot :)
[08:27] <moon`> is there a way to scroll the backlog in irssi?
[08:27] <eddieftw> moon`: page up
[08:27] <moon`> nm
[08:28] <eddieftw> in the shell, it is shift+page up
[08:28] <moon`> aah
[08:28] <Firefishe> can scrolling be done with BitchX, as well?
[08:29] <eddieftw> hello kristian__
[08:36] <surplusxmas> I'm attempting to install Kubuntu 8.04 (KDE4 Remix) on a 3.00GHz Pentium D, 1GB RAM, 300GB SATA with the alternative install CD.  When I reach the installation step called "Select and install software", it hangs for a while at 6% with the message "Please wait...", eventually goes through the steps, but reaches the end with an error that says the specific installation step ("Select and install software") failed.  It then allows 
[08:36] <surplusxmas> n (quicker this time).  Is this a common problem?  Any suggestions?
[08:37] <moon`> damn, think I might be sol, no drivers for the card :p
[08:37] <surplusxmas> Hmm?
[08:37] <moon`>  [Unsupported] [PCI] Card delivered to developers. Completely new architecture. Creative have supplied a data sheet to developers. Development work has started.
[08:42] <eddieftw> moon`: yea creative has been terrible about linux drivers
[08:42] <moon`> boo
[08:42] <eddieftw> you can try running the windows drivers in linux
[08:42] <eddieftw> i have no idea about how any of that works though
[08:42] <eddieftw> and im going to bed
[08:42] <moon`> hehe, shot down my next questino before it was asked
[08:42] <moon`> night, thanks for the help
[08:42] <eddieftw> so best of luck all
[08:42] <eddieftw> ;p
[08:42] <CoCaInE> Guys i got 2 parts of rar files, named x_part1.rar and x_part2.rar, how to merge them together ? :>
[08:44] <Fa> you don't
[08:46] <CoCaInE> so there's something impossible on linux ;)
[08:47] <Jucato> usually a multi-part rar file has one .rar file and some .rXX files
[08:48] <Jucato> and usually, they are "joined" by extracting the .rar file (it will automatically extract and join the rest)
[08:49] <CoCaInE> ... if it would go so easy i wouldnt ask my friend
[08:55] <moon`> is there a version of opera that works the latest 64bit version of ubuntu?
[08:56] <moon`> everything I download from their site says wrong architecture :/
[08:58] <groundzero> who is aron
[08:58] <groundzero> who is arto
[08:58] <groundzero> msg/ astan
[08:58] <mike-kubuntu> hey guys, i'm trying to use compiz with kubuntu 8.04 kde 3 but my window decorations keep flashing in and out of existence, seems to only reliably draw the decorations for the active window, any tips on this, also my windows partiton fails to mount on boot every time taking me away from the nice boot-up screen, also curiouse if there is a way to get gtk apps to look ok in kde 4 yet
[08:58] <Lynoure> moon`: their page says nothing about amd64
[09:02] <Pennycook> mike-kubuntu: For the last problem, install gtk-qt-engine-kde4.  As for why your Windows drive won't mount, are you sure your PC was shut down properly the last time you booted into Windows?
[09:02] <mike-kubuntu> Pennycook, yeah, it was, let me see if i can bring up the actual error, i think it has the drive ID wrong or something
[09:03] <mike-kubuntu> i really like the new drivers they switched to for my wireless, used to be using bcm43xx, new ones work a ton better and it autoconnects now
[09:04] <mike-kubuntu> yeah, pretty sure the error of the windows mounting is about a drive identifier, its a really long string like ADBHIE13334BKDILS
[09:06] <Pennycook> You could always try correcting the UUID manually in your /etc/fstab
[09:06] <mike-kubuntu> wierd, i'm not sure how tod o that, but i can access the drive via dolphin fine, it appears to be mounted, just says it fails at startup, not sure how to enter the correct uuid, but i see where its written in my fstab
[09:08] <Pennycook> If you go into /dev/disk/by-uuid and type ls -l, you can see all your disks by UUID
[09:09] <pushax> hi all.  A question.  Is the AVAHI user profile the guest account?
[09:09] <pushax> Is is safe to make a GUEST profile and add it tot he AVAHI group?
[09:11] <pushax> hi all.  A question.  Is the AVAHI user profile the guest account?
[09:11] <pushax> Is is safe to make a GUEST profile and add it tot he AVAHI group?
[09:12] <pushax> The avahi is apples bonjour, but why is it the default for samba guest choice.
[09:15] <moon`> aplay -l list four different devices all as card 0
[09:15] <moon`> all the same thing ehh?
[09:17] <pushax> aplay -l
[09:17] <pushax> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
[09:17] <pushax> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: ALC880 Analog [ALC880 Analog]
[09:17] <pushax>   Subdevices: 1/1
[09:17] <pushax>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[09:17] <dan_> Hey. Anyone know how to make the vesa driver use a higher resolution than 640x480?
[09:18] <moon`> yeah pushax I've got that same readout repeated 4 times though
[09:18] <dan_> I had 800x600 before, but the dist upgrade deleted it
[09:18] <dan_> ot something
[09:19] <pushax> dan_: did you try editing the /etc/X11/xorg.conf  file?
[09:19] <dan_> pushax: yea.. but I'm not exactly sure how to write though
[09:20] <pushax> dan_: mayeb there is a backup of your of config file, and of xorg.conf you can strip out the specific resolution details
[09:20] <pushax> as in write privilege?
[09:20] <dan_> pushax: hm. I can try.. do I have to restart x-server or the computer?
[09:21] <pushax> dan_: not until you want the changes to take effect
[09:21] <dan_> pushax: but is it enough to just restart the x-server?
[09:21] <pushax> dan_: do you know how to SUDO
[09:21] <dan_> pushaxyea :P
[09:22] <dan_> pushax: thx
[09:22] <goto1> http://rapidshare.com/files/111454070/Nuke.rar.html <---- download Nukes ( Badwidth killers ) :)
[09:22] <pushax> dan_: sudo kate    then editi the files you need.  then you can restart the gfx
[09:23] <pushax> dan_: you cna restart the gfx serve by Ctrl Alt Backspace ...
[09:24] <pushax> dan_: make sure you keep a copy of your original xorg.xconf in case you ened to edit in command line mode.
[09:24] <dan_> pushax: ok, will try that. thanks
[09:33] <theveryend> ouch
[09:44] <kurt> ciao
[09:44] <kurt> porco dio quanta gente
[09:46] <sirmike1970md> hi all how do i install themes in kubuntu
[09:47] <shiesty__> easy node fool
[09:47] <shiesty__> mode*
[09:48] <Jucato> !changethemes | sirmike1970md
[09:52] <luh> re
[09:52] <luh> can someone please tell me which short cut i have to use, so that i have a verbose bootup, and I can watch the messages?
[09:56] <mike-kubuntu> hey guys, when i boot up since an upgrade to 8.04, it takes me to a text boot up everytime instead of the graphical one even though there are no errors or warnings upon bootup (besides a tip about starting sausld), is there an option i can enable to have a full graphical boot?
[09:56] <shiesty__> ?
[09:59] <mike-kubuntu> like after a couple of seconds of normal splash screen boot up, it takes me into ttty1 and shows text boot up
[10:00] <shiesty__> my splas is messed up
[10:00] <Bauldrick> is it normal for `npviewer.bin` to use ALOT of cpu usage?
[10:00] <shiesty__> i tried to add a splash theme think
[10:04] <inteliwasp> i am trying to use kworldclock on my background, how can i shift the image over so that the sun side is centered?
[10:24] <end-user> Hey guys, was just curious, is Flash working with Konqueror now, in Hardy?
[10:26] <flaccid> end-user: it is for me
[10:26] <wesley__> is there now easy way to add restricted drivers to you kernel
[10:27] <end-user> flaccid: Ahh, thanks. Yeah, kind of ironic, I suppose. I decided to see what's new in Gnome about a couple weeks before Hardy came out (flash happened to not be working in Konqeror at the time) now here I am in Hardy gnome and Firefox crashes on flash videos about 30 percent of the time
[10:27] <flaccid> dang
[10:28] <flaccid> wesley__: what kind of restricted drivers?
[10:28] <wesley__> i dont now just the restricted driver module
[10:29] <jaredbuck> hey. wondering how to get rid of the popups in kopete, i just want the message notifications turned off, every time i send a message the reply gets shown as a popup.
[10:29] <wesley__> i compile 2.6.25 kernel but dont know if i am missingen drivers
[10:29] <flaccid> !info linux-restricted-modules-common | wesley__
[10:29] <flaccid> !info linux-restricted-modules-generic | wesley__
[10:31] <sa> hey everyone
[10:32] <sa> I am using GNOME but am used to using kopete. Installed it and it works pretty ok. but some things are not working though. How come?
[10:32] <ubuntu> !fr
[10:33] <end-user> sa: What kind of things aren't working right?
[10:34] <sa> end-user: cant get the menu bar on the top of the man screen window. where all the buddies are listed
[10:36] <sa> end-user: by the way, everytime somebody messages me a pop-up pops up (haha) how do i get rid of that
[10:36] <Jucato> menu bar, like the File, Edit, View menus?
[10:37] <jaredbuck> end-user: I'd like to get rid of those popups like sa is having too.
[10:37] <end-user> sa, jaredbuck sorry guys I was looking for that at the forums too, I was trying to check if others were having same problems :(
[10:38] <Jucato> what version of Kopete? and which popups? (there are 2 kinds afaik)
[10:40] <jaredbuck> Jucato: just the message popups, when someone sends me a message (even if i have their chat window up) it pops up the message they sent me.
[10:40] <jaredbuck> Jucato: and I'm using 0.50.1.
[10:40] <emilsedgh> jaredbuck: thats message queue i think.disable it
[10:40] <jaredbuck> emilsedgh:  thanks, that should fix it, i set it to open messages instantly.
[10:41] <emilsedgh> Settings->Configure->Message Queue.select 'Open Messages instantly'
[10:41] <emilsedgh> yeah
[10:41] <jaredbuck> sa: do what he said :-p
[10:41] <emilsedgh> i dont like that think too.annoying.
[10:41] <end-user> thank you
[10:42] <end-user> :)
[10:42] <jaredbuck> emilsedgh: definately annoying. all i want to know is when people sign on and off.
[10:42] <emilsedgh> jaredbuck: instead Kopete's notifications are so nice.
[10:42]  * emilsedgh loves kopete.
[10:43] <emilsedgh> but it has bad default settings
[10:43] <jaredbuck> emilsedgh: it sure does.  but now the problem has been fixed and i won't be pissed at the notifications any more :-p
[10:43] <sa> jaredbuck: I missed what he said :)
[10:43] <sa> jaredbuck: was trying to solve the problem
[10:44] <sa> so what are your plans for the long weekend
[10:44] <Solv> I've got ubuntu 8.04 final running in a virtualbox, and i want to try kubuntu with kde4.  Would it be easiest to just do: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop...or apt-get install kde4 (or whatever the package name is) or just download the whole iso?
[10:44] <SlimeyPete> !kde4
[10:45] <SlimeyPete> I imagine those packages will work on their own without kubuntu-desktop installed, but don't quote me ;)
[10:45] <Solv> ta
[10:45] <jaredbuck>  sa: just go into  Settings->Configure->Message Queue.select 'Open Messages instantly' and that will turn off those oh-so-annoying popups :)
[10:46] <sa> jaredbuck: I did that 30 minutes ago but it didnt help!
[10:46] <jaredbuck> sa: what version of kopete do ya have?
[10:47] <sa> jaredbuck: under behaviour--general--message handling
[10:47] <sa> jaredbuck: the latest one for KDE 4.0
[10:48] <jaredbuck> sa: that's the one i have too - 0.50.1.
[10:48] <sa> jaredbuck: funny
[10:48] <asdfe> can anyone access slashdot sourceforge or any site with a ip of 66.35.***.***?
[10:48] <sa> jaredbuck: but as i am using GNOME i cannot see the menu bar
[10:49] <SlimeyPete> asdfe: people in othe channels that I am in are commenting that those sites are down
[10:50] <asdfe> SlimeyPete: seems that all of 66.***.***.*** is being hit with a bot net attack
[10:50] <Jucato> sa: which menu bar? the one with File Edit Settings?
[10:50] <jaredbuck> sa: gnome can work funny with kde apps if you don't have the kde packages installed.
[10:51] <sa> jaredbuck: i dont have them installed
[10:51] <sa> Jucato: yes, the file edit settings
[10:51] <Jucato> jaredbuck: hm.. depends on what you are referring to
[10:51] <Jucato> sa: Ctrl+M
[10:51] <sa> Jucato: hahaha
[10:51] <sa> Jucato: thank you
[10:51] <Jucato> jaredbuck: see? not even a package problem :)
[10:52] <Jucato> sa: most KDE apps hide their menu bars that way
[10:53] <sa> jaredbuck: still cannot solve the problem with the popup though
[10:53] <jaredbuck> sa: we'll figure it out as we go along.
[10:54] <sa> jaredbuck: let me try restarting kopete
[10:56] <sa> jaredbuck: no that didnt solve the problem
[10:56] <sa> :s
[10:58] <jaredbuck> sa: didn't solve it? guess we have to look harder to find a solution.
[10:58] <BrunoCavaco> hello every body
[11:00] <BrunoCavaco> sorry for the inconvenience but i have a problem with Kubuntu 8.04. My desktop name is "Área de Trabalho" and when i try to execute a deb package from there it says that the package dont exist, i have to copy do my Home folder and execute from there. Any body knows what could be the problem? Thanks.
[11:00] <sa> jared
[11:00] <sa> jaredbuck: hmm very funny
[11:03] <jaredbuck> sa: LOL.
[11:03] <Solv> okay, i got kde-4 installed, but kdm won't log into either gnome or kde....just sits there at the login background wallpaper....i might try changing it back to gdm...problem is, how can i get a konsole in a virtualbox? anybody know?
[11:04] <sa> jaredbuck: hehe
[11:04] <Solv> don't worry
[11:04] <Solv> kdm has a console login option
[11:07] <BrunoCavaco> anybody have a clue what could be wrong?
[11:08] <corban> hey i'm having a problem....i can't get my USB mic to work in Kubuntu it works in other distros i'm using ALSA
[11:09] <BrunoCavaco> corban: what is the problem exactly?
[11:10] <sa> jaredbuck: NOw I have another problem
[11:10] <corban> ok...i can get audio out of my speakers 3.5mm jack....my USB mic is detected but unusable like, when i try to use it no sound is recorded
[11:10] <sa> jaredbuck: My picture is not showing
[11:11] <sa> Anyone know where i can add a picture to kopete
[11:12] <sa> figured it out
[11:12] <sa> :)
[11:14] <ubuntu__> fuck off
[11:15] <stdin> erm, what?
[11:15] <jussio1> hm?
[11:19] <RurouniJones> Can anyone explain to me how Java is still installed on my system when I removed it using the package manager?
[11:20] <RurouniJones> If I run java -version I get stuff about sun Java 1.6.0 and openJDK but I removed them using adept manager
[11:20] <flaccid> maybe thats the default java not usn
[11:20] <flaccid> sun
[11:20] <sa> Jucato: Do you know how I can get rid of pop-ups when someone messages me
[11:20] <ct529> hi!
[11:20] <Jucato> I believe emilsedgh already answered that above sa
[11:21] <RurouniJones> Ah right, ok flaccid, how can I get rid of the default java?
[11:21] <emilsedgh> Settings->Configure->Message Queue.select 'Open Messages instantly'
[11:21] <emilsedgh> sa: ^
[11:22] <flaccid> RurouniJones: do you get anything from dpkg -l | grep -i java
[11:23] <ct529> I am trying to write chinese / pinyin characters in kde. The main language is en, but I have installed chinese as well. I also installed scim /skim. I would like to write some chinese characters inside application using the pinyin characters: you write the standard pronunciation and the system proposes a selection of characters. Is that possible? it is in ms wiruse.
[11:23] <RurouniJones> S´ok flaccid, I just used the ubuntu package search on the web and I found the packages I need to get rid of.
[11:24] <RurouniJones> but if I do run that command I get a few things, sun java is listed as rc
[11:24] <flaccid> generally just purge/remove the relevant java packaes
[11:24] <sa> emilsedgh: Jucato: I tried that guys way back but it doesnt work
[11:25] <emilsedgh> sa: go to there, Events tab, uncheck 'show bubble'
[11:25] <RurouniJones> What is this openJDK stuff anyway? Some OSS implementation of java?
[11:27] <Lynoure> RurouniJones: http://www.sun.com/software/opensource/java/faq.jsp
[11:27] <sa> emilsedgh: waiting for a message :)
[11:27] <emilsedgh> :P
[11:27] <RurouniJones> Gracias
[11:28] <Lynoure> RurouniJones: Ole hyvä :)
[11:29] <RurouniJones> Yeehar, that fixed it
[11:29] <RurouniJones> Thanks all
[11:29] <sa> emilsedgh: still popping up :(
[11:29] <emilsedgh> sa: take a look at another options then...its there
[11:37] <sa> emilsedgh: Hmm not working
[11:38] <emilsedgh> sa: read documentation, ask in #kopete.try ;)
[11:42] <wesley> i build my own working linux kernel
[11:44] <sa> emilsedgh: thank you .)
[11:44] <sa> :)
[11:45] <ct529> I am trying to write chinese / pinyin characters in kde. The main language is en, but I have installed chinese as well. I also installed scim /skim. I would like to write some chinese characters inside application using the pinyin characters: you write the standard pronunciation and the system proposes a selection of characters. Is that possible? it is in ms wiruse.
[11:46] <Jucato> !cn | ct529
[11:46] <Jucato> you might want to try asking in those channels ^^^^
[11:47] <tgreer> hey. how do you bind a key to right mouse button
[11:49] <ct529> Jucato: you have to be chinese to ask in those channel. My level of chinese does not go beyond counting fingers on one hand. Not very useful to discuss input methods! :D:D:D:D
[11:49] <Jucato> oh... no one there understands/speaks English?
[11:49] <Jucato> I was thinking they could help more when it comes to the input method
[11:50] <Lynoure> ct529: I'd expect -hk to have many people that speak both
[11:52] <ct529> Jucato: I thought they were chinese only channels .... will try though ....
[11:52] <Lynoure> ct529: not sure how outdated this one is, but it looks promising: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SCIM
[11:53] <nemes_> buenas
[11:53] <nemes_> alguien habla español?
[11:53] <Lynoure> ct529: at least English is the official second language of HongKong :)
[11:54] <ct529> Lynoure: I also found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InputMethods/SKIM/CJK_Chinese_Japanese_Korean_Input_Method_configuration_using_SKIM_in_Kubuntu_6%2e06_Dapper_Drake?highlight=%28chinese%29
[11:54] <ct529> Lynoure: but looks completely empty
[11:54] <Jucato> !es | nemes_
[11:54] <nemes_> ok
[11:54] <nemes_> perdon
[11:57] <ghostcube> hi folks
[11:57] <ghostcube> is the naming for the menu classes in kde 3.5.9 still Unknown
[12:10] <amine27> hay
[12:13] <ghostcube> anyone an idea if this has changed cause my window matchin gin compiz isnt working for menue ??
[12:23] <wesley> !puregnome
[12:23] <tycale_> My firefox is dead §!§
[12:23] <tycale_> Can you help me ?
[12:24] <kristian__> how you define dead tycale_ ?
[12:25] <tycale_> Don't start
[12:25] <tycale_> And when I launch firefox in shell, i've got no error
[12:25] <tycale_> and no window
[12:25] <kristian__> killall -g firefox -bin
[12:25] <tycale_> and ?
[12:25] <kristian__> try this and start again ?
[12:26] <tycale_> hmm
[12:26] <tycale_> The same
[12:26] <ghostcube> tycale_: tried to rename the firefox folder  in home-folder
[12:26] <ghostcube> and start with new profile
[12:26] <tycale_> I've already try to reinstall
[12:26] <tycale_> sudo aptitude reinstall firefox
[12:26] <ghostcube> sure but still the profile would be there
[12:26] <tycale_> but the same
[12:26] <tycale_> ok
[12:26] <ghostcube> if u catched on plug not ccompatible it will cause 3.0 beta5 to crash
[12:27] <Dragnslcr> tycale_- Firefox 3?
[12:27] <ct529> tycale_: try ps -ef | grep fire
[12:27] <ct529> tycale_: and tell us the result of it
[12:27] <tycale_> mv .mozilla/ .moz/
[12:27] <tycale_> the same
[12:27] <ghostcube> hmmm
[12:27] <tycale_> yes, firefox 3
[12:28] <ghostcube> can us tartup safe mode
[12:28] <Dragnslcr> tycale_- do you have the Google toolbar extension installed?
[12:28] <tycale_> How
[12:28] <tycale_> I've got a lot of firefox running with ps -ef
[12:28] <tycale_> wait, paste
[12:28] <ghostcube> kill all
[12:28] <tycale_> ok
[12:28] <ds187> !wochenende
[12:28] <tycale_> I kill all
[12:28] <ghostcube> onkly one ff per session
[12:28] <ghostcube> lol
[12:29] <hume> hi...just upgraded to Kubuntu heron, and now the content of my home folder is shown on the desktop - where do I fix this?
[12:29] <ghostcube> btw guys i updated from gutsy to hardy nice going with the update tool
[12:29] <tycale_> Ok
[12:29] <ghostcube> thx for this btw
[12:29] <tycale_> I've killed all
[12:29] <tycale_> But the same
[12:29] <tycale_> Dragnslcr: No
[12:29] <ct529> tycale_: use pastebin with the result of ps -ef | grep fire
[12:30] <tycale_> ok
[12:30] <ct529> tycale_: good
[12:30] <ct529> tycale_: start it again
[12:30] <tycale_> Don't want to start :(
[12:30] <tycale_> strange, all is killed
[12:31] <ghostcube> dpkg --purge firefox3 or whatever it is called
[12:31] <tycale_> I've  .mozilla
[12:31] <ghostcube> and remove all profiles
[12:31] <tycale_> I rename it again
[12:31] <hume> anyone knows how to change what is shown on desktop, to not show home folder?
[12:31] <ghostcube> puh
[12:32] <ct529> tycale_: wait for a a couple of minutes. It may be creating new config files. Then do ps -ef | grep -i fire again now
[12:32] <ghostcube> hmmm guys simple question for compiz-fusion i need window matching by xprop and kde menues are type=unknown anyone knew why this isnt working anymore ?
[12:33] <ct529> tycale_: move the .mozilla directory (for example to .mozilla.backup)
[12:33] <tycale_> I've done it already 2 times
[12:33] <ct529> tycale_: then start it from the command line using "firefox -safe-mode"
[12:33] <tycale_> When I launch firefix, i make a new one
[12:33] <tycale_> it*
[12:34] <ct529> tycale_: then start it from the command line using "firefox -safe-mode"
[12:34] <tycale_> yep
[12:34] <tycale_> The same =(
[12:34] <ct529> tycale_: after tremoving the .mozilla directory
[12:34] <tycale_> ah ok
[12:34] <tycale_> Really strange, no ?
[12:34] <tycale_> don't work :(
[12:34] <ghostcube> eh ?
[12:35] <ct529> tycale_: what does it say in the konsole?
[12:35] <tycale_> doesn't work
[12:35] <tycale_> Nothing
[12:35] <tycale_> a black line
[12:35] <tycale_> tycale@tycale-desktop:~$ firefox -safe-mode
[12:35] <tycale_> tycale@tycale-desktop:~$ ps aux | grep firefox
[12:35] <tycale_> tycale   12672  0.0  0.0   3012   760 pts/1    R+   13:34   0:00 grep firefox
[12:35] <ghostcube> so its not running
[12:35] <ct529> tycale_: it is not running then
[12:35] <tycale_> I've a black line between firefox and ps aux
[12:36] <tycale_> And I stop firefox with C-
[12:36] <tycale_> And I stop firefox with C-c
[12:36] <tycale_> I'm going to reinstall it
[12:36] <ghostcube> dpkg --purge
[12:37] <ghostcube> should be the cleanest
[12:37] <ghostcube> then reinstall
[12:37] <ct529> tycale_: you should wait not stop it with ctrl +c
[12:37] <tycale_> Yes, but after 5 seconds, it's dead
[12:37] <ghostcube> or u must type firefox -safe-mode & disown
[12:38] <tycale_> tycale@tycale-desktop:~$ firefox -safe-mode & disown
[12:38] <tycale_> [1] 12909
[12:39] <tycale_> now kill 9 12909 ? :-'
[12:39] <tycale_> -9*
[12:39] <ghostcube> isnt firefox running now ?
[12:39] <tycale_> no =(
[12:40] <ghostcube> doh !
[12:40] <tycale_> As you say ...
[12:41] <tycale_> kill -9 now
[12:42] <tycale_> hmm
[12:42] <ghostcube> tycale_: dont know what is causing this trouble
[12:43] <tycale_> :|
[12:43] <tycale_> I install firefox-2
[12:43] <tycale_> Maybe better
[12:44] <ghostcube> tycale_: are u using compiz ?
[12:44] <zucco> where is the printer configuration on kde 4 ?
[12:44] <tycale_> ghostcube: no
[12:44] <ghostcube> hmmm
[12:44] <tycale_> :d
[12:45] <tycale_> firefox-2 works
[12:45] <tycale_> \o/
[12:45] <ct529> tycale_: can you uninstall and purge?
[12:45] <tycale_> firefox-3 sucks then :-'
[12:45] <tycale_> I'm going to purge firefox-3
[12:45] <ct529> tycale_: do you have firefox 2 and 3 at the same time?
[12:45] <ghostcube> tycale_: but this must have a reason
[12:45] <ghostcube> for me it works fine
[12:45] <ghostcube> this must be any plugin
[12:46] <ghostcube> or something
[12:46] <tycale_> ct529: Actually yes, but it's because i've just install firefox-2
[12:46] <zucco> where is the printer configuration on kde 4 ?
[12:47] <tycale_> don't know
[12:47] <zucco> why conquerror not use proxy, even I try to configure it ?
[12:47] <zucco> why I can't open network configuration on kde 4 ?
[12:48] <zucco> kde 4 has a lot of problems, I think it is still in beta release
[12:48] <tycale_> kde4.1 'll be better
[12:49] <ghostcube> kde4 is still before beta i think so i tested both and to work with only kde 3.5.9 is stable enough :)
[12:49] <ct529> ghostcube: if you start it in -safe-mode you exclude all the plug ins
[12:49] <zucco> tycale_, may be. But it's wrong to publish a software as stable with a lot of problems. I'm not a beta user
[12:50] <ghostcube> ct529: i know this but something must be messed up there
[12:50] <ct529> I have been using kde 4.0.3, that is not beta. It works fairly well. It is not complete though.
[12:50] <tycale_> zucco: I'm agree with you
[12:50] <ct529> ghostcube: tycale_: have you tried installing from source?
[12:50] <zucco> ct529, how can you configure your printer ?
[12:50] <tycale_> ct529: no
[12:50] <ghostcube> ct529: kde4 ?
[12:51] <ghostcube> nah
[12:51] <zucco> tycale_, :-P
[12:51] <tycale_> kde4 yes
[12:51] <tycale_> but not firefox
[12:51] <ghostcube> i caught the releases from kubuntu org
[12:51] <ghostcube> with repack 4.03
[12:51] <ghostcube> but i think kde4 is beta
[12:52] <ghostcube> and the biggst prob for me is no kcontrol
[12:52] <ghostcube> systemsettings sux for me IMHO i cant speak for all users
[12:52] <ct529> ghostcube: yes.
[12:53] <ct529> ghostcube: what is systemsettings?
[12:53] <ghostcube> isnt this the new kcontrol ?
[12:53] <tycale_> The kde menu sux
[12:53] <ghostcube> i dont use it even in kde 3 i dont
[12:53] <ct529> ghostcube: you mean the one coming with kubuntu?
[12:53] <ghostcube> ct529: i think so yes
[12:55] <tommy> Hello everyone
[12:55] <tycale_> ho ! I've lost some fonts with kubuntu 8.03
[12:57] <man05> Hello, I updated to 8.04 and something went wrong. Is there a way to repair the system.. or something.. It's really bad time for me for reinstalling..
[12:57] <ct529> ghostcube: I thoroughly hate it, the systemsettings
[13:01] <tycale_> man05: What's wrong with your kubuntu ?
[13:02] <man05> tycale_ , thank you.. systemsettings is not working as well as gkrellm epiphany firefox..
[13:02] <Dr_willis> sounds nasty.
[13:02] <Dr_willis> runing  them from a terminal., should give some error messages/info
[13:02] <man05> systemsettings was the beggining. then, stupid me, install kde4 and it got bad..
[13:03] <ghostcube> oha
[13:03] <ghostcube> so simply uninstall kde4 :| maybe this will fix it
[13:04] <ct529> man05: what does it mean bad?
[13:04] <ct529> ghostcube: we should start a "ban systemsettings" movement
[13:04] <ct529> ghostcube: I do really, really like mandriva control center
[13:04] <eMaX> hi all
[13:05] <ghostcube> ct529: yes but the normal kcontrol is so cool
[13:05] <ghostcube> all settings doable
[13:05] <ghostcube> no probs
[13:05] <eMaX> how can I start a session of firefox v2 when I'm running firefox 3?
[13:05] <ghostcube> why is this gone ?
[13:05] <cinex> kcontrol! kcontrol! kcontrol!
[13:05] <ghostcube> :)
[13:05] <Dr_willis> eMaX,  run the 'firefox-2' command from a terminal perhaps
[13:05] <man05> running from terminal gkrellm gives me nothing. same applyies with firefox. I will uninstall kde4 and will reinstall gkrellm. Because i think is something with gtk based apps. Bad means.. how i feel! whings got slow.. In kcontrol i only have an empty folder on the left, networks..
[13:06] <ghostcube> 8.04 has no libgtk1.2 and libg1.2 anymore
[13:06] <ct529> ghostcube: yes kcontrol is much better
[13:06] <ghostcube> ct529: yep all options easily accesable
[13:06] <ct529> ghostcube: we should start a "ban systemsettings AND reintroduce kcontrol" movement
[13:06] <ghostcube> yep we should
[13:06] <ghostcube> :)
[13:07] <ct529> ghostcube: cinex: I do actually have kcontrol. Why don't you?
[13:07] <ghostcube> ct529: on 3.59 is have it on 4.03 afaik there is no more kcontrol
[13:07] <ct529> ghostcube: not anymore or not yet?
[13:08] <ghostcube> ct529: it should be taken out as i read the pr for kde4
[13:08] <ghostcube> correct
[13:09] <ct529> ghostcube: and substituted with what????
[13:09] <MrShady> hii
[13:10] <ghostcube> systemsettings
[13:10] <ct529> ghostcube: bleah!
[13:10]  * ct529 rebooting
[13:12] <man05> "Removing linux-headers-2.6.22-14-generic" mm.. maybe i shouldn't sudo aptitude remove kde4-core kdm-kde4 !!
[13:12] <cinex> anyone have any problems with cpu stepping in 8.04 ?
[13:12] <cinex> im asking to see if its a common problem
[13:13] <TheCobra> Does anybody can help me with my troubles on my graphic controller?
[13:15] <man05> gtk-qt-engine-kde4 might also be the problem for the gtk applications when i run them from kde 3.x ..
[13:21] <sigma_1234> when will kde4.1 alpha be ready for download?
[13:24] <sigma_1234> !dev
[13:26] <ghostcube> TheCobra: what version
[13:26] <flaccid> hey whats that program to view .chm files?
[13:27] <vbgunz> python is loosely and weakly typed? in other words, no declaring before hand and names aren't stuck into a particular type?
[13:29] <vbgunz> sorry
[13:29] <Daviey> no, as in there is little notion OF type
[13:30] <kenox> hi
[13:30] <flaccid> where is ubotu
[13:30] <kenox> i am using kubuntu 8.04 kde4
[13:31] <kenox> i am not able to hear anything
[13:31] <kenox> help
[13:31] <kenox> it was working when i installed the os
[13:31] <ghostcube> open kmix
[13:32] <ghostcube> and check that u dont have set pcm to 0 or master to 0
[13:32] <kenox> pcm to 0?
[13:32] <kenox> how
[13:32] <ghostcube> if u open kmix
[13:33] <kenox> k
[13:33] <ghostcube> u have the ability to adjust all chans
[13:33] <kenox> k]
[13:33] <ghostcube> maybe a prog is using pcm for voulme instead of mater
[13:33] <kenox> did you mean unmute it?
[13:33] <ghostcube> so if u edit with main kmix master and amarok is using pcm and u mute amarok u wont hear anything
[13:33] <ghostcube> yep
[13:33] <ghostcube> pcm and master never mute
[13:33] <kenox> its not muted
[13:34] <ghostcube> hmm ok the easy part is gone then :D
[13:34] <ghostcube> open up systemsettings and restart the sound server
[13:34] <kenox> i cant even hear the system sounds
[13:34] <ghostcube> try if u can here the sample sounds
[13:34] <ghostcube> *hear
[13:34] <ghostcube> dam
[13:35] <kenox> how to restart?
[13:35] <ghostcube> it should be an option in soundsystem settings
[13:35] <kenox> cant see
[13:35] <ghostcube> hmmm
[13:35] <kenox> even juk was working
[13:35] <ghostcube> i have no kde4 so im a bit lost now
[13:35] <ghostcube> :|
[13:36] <kenox> but i changed something
[13:36] <kenox> and now its not working
[13:36] <ghostcube> the output plugin
[13:36] <ghostcube> ??
[13:36] <kenox> and i dont know what
[13:36] <kenox> not plugin
[13:36] <kenox> phonon has various backends
[13:37] <kenox> i tried to install a new one
[13:37] <kenox> but failed
[13:37] <man05> I uninstalled kde4 and alla packages involved. still gtk apps wont run :(.. and systemsettings as well..
[13:40] <wassi> hey
[13:41] <wassi> Updated to Kubuntu 8.04 yesterday and I've got a little problem...
[13:41] <wassi> my laptop daemon is configured to shut down my computer once I close it...
[13:42] <wassi> the problem is that it thinks my computer is closed all the time (but worked fine in 7.10)
[13:42] <wassi> thus the powermanagment applet turns off my computer as soon as it started
[13:42] <wassi> How can I stop it from autostarting on startup ?
[13:46] <cool_walking_> wassi: remove the config file so it doesn't shut down.
[13:48] <wassi> cool_walking: Where do I find it ?
[13:49] <cool_walking_> Probably in ~/.kde/share/apps/<appname>
[13:49] <cool_walking_> if it's a kde app that is
[13:50] <vbgunz> a leading double underscore on a name within a class name mangles it into _class__name correct? what convention does a single underscore serve?
[13:51] <Pici> vbgunz: Probably best to ask that in whatever language channel you are using
[13:55] <tgreer> afternoon all
[13:55] <kristian__> hi
[13:56] <wassi> cool_walking: seems it's not... at least I couldn't find anything there...
[13:56] <wassi> hi
[13:56] <tgreer> was just wondering if anyone knew how to bind a key to the right mouse button in kde?
[13:59] <vbgunz> damn, I keep asking in the wrong channel :(
[14:00] <cool_walking_> wassi: You could try just renaming your entire .kde directory, then logging back in.
[14:00] <wassi> wouldn't that destroy all my kde settings ?
[14:03] <cool_walking_> wassi: Yes, but I guess it might help you with this issue, then you could copy back all the settings you're sure you want.
[14:06] <wassi> cool_walking: but how would I know which settings I can copy back and which would destroy my system _again_ ?
[14:06] <cool_walking_> hmm
[14:06] <wassi> Is there no way of configuring the programs which start on startup ?
[14:06] <wassi> I never used this powermanagment daemon....
[14:07] <cool_walking_> Perhaps just "aptitude purge <appname>"
[14:07] <cool_walking_> That should remove the power management thing, _and_ it's config, so you can install it again later if you want.
[14:09] <wassi> cool_walking: seems like a good idea, but I don't know its name...
[14:10] <hexidigital> Hi everyone. This is probably a FAQ, but I tried playing a DVD with Kaffeine, and it prompted me to install libdvdcss.  However, the package is not found on kubuntu.org.  Any suggestions where I can get it?
[14:10] <SlimeyPete> !dvd
[14:10] <SlimeyPete> !medibuntu
[14:10] <hexidigital> Thanks, SlimeyPete ... forgot about the bot ;)
[14:10] <SlimeyPete> :)
[14:11]  * stdin nick names the bot "Two T's"
[14:11] <cool_walking_> wassi:  It could be kpowersave or kde-guidance-powermanager
[14:12] <sam__> hi
[14:13] <SeicherlBoB> How can i redetect the hardware at runtime? The problem is, that i don't have USB-Ports or network interfaces when docking my laptop while running. Can i force a redetection?
[14:13] <sam__> i have nvidia card on 8.04 - one user on pc uses restricted drivers and is O.K, I can't get the other user to use restricted drivers?
[14:15] <Dr_Willis> sam__,  Hmm.. if the first 'sudo capable' user set up the system to use the restricted drivers then everyone is using them...
[14:16] <sam__> thats what I thought - but isn't happening !!
[14:16] <SlimeyPete> sam__: the drivers are initialised before login
[14:16] <SlimeyPete> so it *shouldn't* make any difference who logs in O.
[14:16] <SlimeyPete> O.o
[14:16] <SlimeyPete> what are the symptoms, exactly?
[14:17] <sam__> bad resolution on one user - and system settings say  its using standard geforce 6
[14:17] <miky> ciao
[14:18] <SlimeyPete> how weird. It might be worth checking the logs in /var/log/
[14:18] <SlimeyPete> the xorg log, specifically
[14:18] <SlimeyPete> see if there are errors printed when the second user logs in
[14:19] <sam__> !pastebin
[14:20] <Dr_Willis> Under KDE - each user CAN have their own resolution setting.
[14:20] <Dr_Willis> thats not the same as them not using the restricted-drivers :)
[14:21] <sam__> it says 1028x724 - but it  clearly isn't. even changing the resolution doesn't actually change it
[14:22] <Dr_Willis> No idea on that then...
[14:23] <sam__> http://pastebin.com/m665d9783  thats the last part of log
[14:23] <sam__> I've tried removing the user and then recreating too
[14:24] <sam__> and rm .kde
[14:25] <SlimeyPete> sam__: log looks alright, though nvidia errors are usually further up
[14:27] <sam__> I'll try creating a random user, see if that has trouble too
[14:31] <ejd> I've just enabled translucency for kde and it has made the taskbar partially translucent... anyone know how to make it fully opaque again?
[14:34] <icewaterman> when launching thunderbird i get this non-fatal error: (thunderbird-bin:6695): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library.
[14:35] <icewaterman> same happens with pretty much any gtk application i use
[14:35] <danuk> hola gente ???
[14:37] <kalorin> I wish that browsers would be able to figure out how to have a setting for items to time out when loading a page
[14:37] <RurouniJones> Is there a way to disable onboard laptop speakers when a headset is plugged into the lineout? Windows does it automatically and I would lik ekubuntu to do the same
[14:37] <kalorin> ie. if I don't start to get an image in this many seconds, just display the page without it
[14:37] <kalorin> and stop trying, and stop hanging up on it
[14:38] <cool_walking_> Why don't you just have it start rendering the page instantly? There's a about:config setting for that.
[14:38] <danuk> anione girl here from usa ????????????''
[14:38] <kalorin> konqueror?
[14:38] <cool_walking_> uhm.. no
[14:38] <cool_walking_> I don't know about konqueror
[14:38] <kalorin> so far I'm not very impressed
[14:38] <kalorin> with konqueror
[14:39] <kalorin> but firefox is tunneling via ssh to my house for a proxy so that they can't see waht i'm surfing at work :)
[14:39] <icewaterman> fixed my error
[14:39] <kalorin> which then makes it too slow to download with :)
[14:39] <Pici> danuk: This is a support channel. Not a dating channel.
[14:39] <kalorin> pici, what are you doing tonight?
[14:39] <kalorin> :)
[14:46] <polysilicon> hi
[14:47] <polysilicon> when I do apt-get update, some URLs are preceded by IGN and some are by HIT. What is the meaning of IGN?
[14:47] <polysilicon> does it mean apt failed to retrieve the package index?
[14:47] <gnomefreak> polysilicon: IGN is ignore
[14:48] <gnomefreak> polysilicon: depending on what ones they are its normal
[14:49] <gnomefreak> polysilicon: it doesnt look like any official hardy repos are using IGN atm
[14:49] <polysilicon> gnomefreak, does it mean my sources are already the latest version?
[14:50] <gnomefreak> polysilicon: no it means it skipping them for some reason
[14:50] <gnomefreak> if you look further down do they end up getting hit or get?
[14:51] <polysilicon> gnomefreak, all the ign lines are ending in `Translation-en_IN`
[14:51] <gnomefreak> polysilicon: thats is fine nothing wrong with that
[14:52] <polysilicon> but the same source without Translation-en_IN, is getting hit before ign appears
[14:52] <polysilicon> okk
[14:52] <gnomefreak> polysilicon: thats good as long as the source is getting hit+get its all good
[14:54] <jb_uk> hi
[14:56] <rance> does anybody know if this is possible on the livecd:  I dont want to install, I want to commuicate with the serial port.  I want to setup a "dummy" serial device and simulate the output of the real device thats being simulated.  The PC at the other end of the null modem cable is getting new custom software, and we need to test various inputs to make sure the system responds correctly, possible?
[14:56] <jb_uk> yup s/be ok in the live version - dial up or netweorking
[14:56] <jb_uk> networking
[14:57] <v6lur> any ideas why bluetooth mouse doesn't work when booting from kubuntu hardy live cd?
[14:57] <jb_uk> laptop or desktop?
[14:57] <v6lur> it works on installed hardy environment
[14:57] <v6lur> laptop
[14:57] <jb_uk> if laptop you may need to ectivate the bluetooth option (ala hp)
[14:57] <v6lur> bluetooth service is running
[14:58] <jb_uk> they are paired? or what happens if you try?
[14:58] <v6lur> and kbluetooth keeps showing popups "connected to bluetooth travel mouse"
[14:58] <jb_uk> they are paired? or what happens if you try?
[14:58] <v6lur> but it doesn't find it, when i try to pair it
[14:58] <jb_uk> ok any other bluetooth gizmos ?
[14:59] <jb_uk> or just your mouse?
[14:59] <v6lur> cell phone
[14:59] <jb_uk> can u pair that?
[14:59] <SeicherlBoB> How can i redetect the hardware at runtime? The problem is, that i don't have USB-Ports or network interfaces when docking my laptop while running. Can i force a redetection?
[14:59] <v6lur> oh, haven't tried any else yet
[14:59] <jb_uk> try itv while u r here ;)
[14:59] <jb_uk> to prove if you bt port working ok
[14:59] <jb_uk> bt = bluetooth
[15:00] <v6lur> ok
[15:00] <v6lur> kbluemon sees the phone
[15:00] <jb_uk> and pairs?
[15:01] <downhill_> the new Kubuntu 8.04 LTS seems very polished compared to past releases
[15:01] <jb_uk> how old young is your bt mouse?
[15:01]  * jb_uk agrees 8.04 = brilliant :)
[15:02]  * jb_uk uses ubuntu (gnome though :)
[15:02] <downhill_> but is anybody having major, major issues with using the latest ATi drivers (--buildpkg Ubuntu/hardy method) from ati.com?
[15:02] <downhill_> Gnome should die in a fire.
[15:02] <jb_uk> ati = awkward ;)
[15:02] <jb_uk> lol gnome = excellent
[15:02] <downhill_> AMD/ATi has changed a lot
[15:02] <v6lur> a year and a half, i guess
[15:02] <v6lur> and i can transfer files to phone ok
[15:03] <jb_uk> could be you have an old protocol type of mouse - I suspect it defaults to paqiring key = 0000   ?
[15:03] <jb_uk> ah!! goiod so your bt port working good :)
[15:03] <v6lur> no idea - how do i check that?
[15:03] <downhill_> I hope both KDE 3.5 and Gnome die a horrible, slow, painful death once KDE 4.1 comes out.
[15:03] <jb_uk> i see you are open minded downhill :))
[15:03] <jb_uk> try to piar using the 0000 pass key
[15:03] <jb_uk> p[air
[15:03] <downhill_> since that's related to my comments... heh
[15:04] <Zet> hello
[15:04] <downhill_> open-mindedness doesn't mean "accept everything"
[15:04] <downhill_> anyway, I'm not trying to troll here
[15:04] <v6lur> hmm, how do i do that?
[15:04] <downhill_> I'm enjoying Kubuntu 8.04 LTS :)
[15:04] <jb_uk> lol been with this before linux when you have unix and xenix - X-Windows was a very expensive luxury :) however I love gnome also
[15:05] <jb_uk> can you @force pair@ v6lur?
[15:05] <downhill_> Direct X rapes OpenGL.
[15:05] <downhill_> I'm a realist, not a fanboy of anything.
[15:05] <stdin> !language | downhill_
[15:05] <v6lur> jb_uk, how can i do that?
[15:05] <Zet> my problem is the following: I upgraded to 8.04, and now whenever I login to KDE I get a window that says: "You are running low on disk space on your home partition (currently 1% free), would you like to run Konqueror to free some disk space and fix the problem?". when I click on any button in this window, nothing happens. it is completely frozen. the only way to close it is xkill. what's going on?
[15:06] <ubuntu_> sziasztok van it valaki aki magyar?
[15:06] <downhill_> oh boy
[15:06]  * jb_uk is not a boy - in fact has grandsons probably older than you ;)
[15:06] <gvv> how can play quake 4 in kubuntu???
[15:06] <downhill_> I didn't call you a boy? lol
[15:06] <jb_uk> :))))
[15:06] <downhill_> gvv: download the Linux installer from the idsoftware website (torrents are available from there) and run that...
[15:06] <jb_uk> try wine gvv
[15:06] <downhill_> with the disc in
[15:06] <RurouniJones> Where can you set it so that the panel at the bottom only displays progams on the current desktop?
[15:06] <downhill_> why? it's natively available for Linux.
[15:07] <downhill_> s/natively availble/available natively/
[15:07] <downhill_> I give up on spelling :P
[15:08] <gvv> yes but when i want play, the system say what exist a error
[15:08] <downhill_> gvv: paste the error to http://slexy.org and paste us back the resulting URL so we can read it
[15:09] <downhill_> it's probably complaining about PulseAudio or something.
[15:09] <downhill_> but let's be sure
[15:09] <downhill_> gvv: are you a serious gamer?
[15:10] <polysilicon> downhill_, do you really like kde4 over kde3?
[15:10] <downhill_> s/do you/will you/
[15:10] <downhill_> yes
[15:10] <downhill_> it's not done yet, so there's no telling yet
[15:11] <polysilicon> kde4 included in 8.04 is already a stable version of it I think..
[15:11] <polysilicon> is it not?
[15:11] <davide_> it
[15:11] <downhill_> KDE4 cuts out the middleman crap and launches us out of 1985 via catapault.
[15:11] <nosrednaekim> its fairly stable, yes
[15:12] <downhill_> polysilicon: the _alpha_ just came out, so no. there is no stable version.
[15:12] <rance> kde4 has promise, but I'm incredibly torqued that kde took down the kde3 dev documentation when kde4 doesnt even have their own kdevelop working well yet
[15:12] <gvv> yes I am a serious gamer, why???
[15:12] <stdin> downhill_: the alpha of 4.1, not 4.0
[15:12] <downhill_> gvv: take some advice from someone who would know, dual boot.
[15:12] <nosrednaekim> downhill_: thats the 4.1 alpha, not the 4.03 release
[15:12] <downhill_> stdin: 4.0 is not production-ready.
[15:12] <polysilicon> ok
[15:12] <stdin> downhill_: it was released as stable, regardless
[15:12] <downhill_> Correct! But it's also "KDE4"
[15:13] <polysilicon> by kde4 I meant 4.0
[15:13] <downhill_> no, not really... technically? sure... but no, it's not stable enough to use in production.
[15:13] <nosrednaekim> polysilicon: yes, that is stable
[15:13] <downhill_> I am not a developer
[15:13] <nosrednaekim> dunno quite what you mean... I haven't had any part of kde4 crash on me for over 2 weeks
[15:14] <nosrednaekim> (excepting kopete)
[15:14] <downhill_> it's incomplete! and you're getting awesome mileage then
[15:14] <jhutchins_wk> Ok: stable: that means it doesn't act unpredictibly, working some of the time but failing too.
[15:14] <downhill_> if I remember from oh, a few mins ago, KDE4 discussion goes into #kubuntu-kde4
[15:14] <nosrednaekim> well yes, incomplete it is. but unstable, no
[15:14] <wassi> cool_walking_: Configuration would have been in "~/.kde/share/config/power-managerrc", but I already re-installed the package... Thanks a lot for your help!
[15:14] <wassi> bye all
[15:14] <jhutchins_wk> We need to use another word for something that predictibly fails on some hardware, that's stable but broken.
[15:15] <jhutchins_wk> compiz is unstable.
[15:15] <downhill_> technically it's a "stable" release by your own logic
[15:15] <nosrednaekim> roKy ;)
[15:15] <downhill_> pick one.
[15:15] <jhutchins_wk> kde4 seems to be stable, but is far from a finished working environment.
[15:15] <downhill_> how about we all agree it's not done yet.
[15:15] <jhutchins_wk> Eyah.
[15:16] <Faust-C> is kubuntu as stable as ubuntu ?
[15:16] <downhill_> actually, we don't neven need to. it's this thing called reality... goes on whether you agree or disagree :P
[15:16] <rance> reliably broken is in fact stable, ha, I love it
[15:16] <downhill_> Faust-C: sure.
[15:16] <nosrednaekim> Eyah
[15:16] <Faust-C> cause im not liking gnome anymore atm
[15:16] <nosrednaekim> Faust-C: yes
[15:16] <Faust-C> i find myself using more kde apps
[15:16] <downhill_> Faust-C: me too
[15:16] <Faust-C> sweet gonna dl iso
[15:16] <downhill_> I install a few little gtk things, install wine and yeah... most of it is all Qt stuff
[15:16] <nosrednaekim> Faust-C: no need for that
[15:17] <Faust-C> nosrednaekim, o rly
[15:17] <nosrednaekim> Faust-C: just run "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[15:17] <rance> I really wish trolltech would get their license deal figured out, that way distros wouldnt be so scared of kde
[15:17] <downhill_> nosrednaekim: installing kubunt-desktop was a lot of broken BS for me
[15:17] <Faust-C> thats what i had read
[15:17] <nosrednaekim> rance: eh? its all firgured out
[15:17] <Faust-C> rance, they did its opensource
[15:17] <downhill_> Faust-C: the ISO is installable offline. etc, etc
[15:17] <rance> ok cool
[15:17] <downhill_> good choice to get it.
[15:17] <rance> last I read it wasnt yet
[15:17] <Faust-C> DOOM_NX, kk
[15:17] <Faust-C> er downhill_
[15:17] <nosrednaekim> Faust-C: hum, it worked fune in gutsy for me (haven't tried thatb method in hardy yet)
[15:18] <Faust-C> yeah im on gutsy atm
[15:18] <nosrednaekim> rance: that argument is so 1998 :P
[15:18] <downhill_> Faust-C: 8.04 is niiiiiice
[15:18] <Faust-C> downhill_, awsome im really wanting to get KDE back
[15:18] <downhill_> it's screaming fast compared to 7.10 here :) lots less problems as well
[15:18] <downhill_> so far, anyway :P
[15:19] <cinex> kde4 Faust-C ?
[15:19] <Faust-C> no kde 3 stable
[15:19] <Faust-C> kde4 has a ways to go
[15:19]  * downhill_ bows
[15:19] <cinex> its useable
[15:19]  * Faust-C keeps up w/ sw for the most part
[15:19] <downhill_> cinex: you're dilusional
[15:19] <Faust-C> cinex, need more than useable
[15:19] <cinex> im using it now
[15:19] <Faust-C> this is my work workstation
[15:19] <nosrednaekim> letsnot descend into this discussion again ;)
[15:19] <flaccid> i wouldn't mind hearing what is missing in kde4 atm
[15:19] <downhill_> ^
[15:19] <cinex> and as for beign delusional - I have tablets for that
[15:20] <cinex> flaccid: you cant customise it very much - if at all
[15:20] <flaccid> and why is that?
[15:20] <cinex> wasn't implemented before the feature freeze
[15:20] <downhill_> cinex: welcome to the _REAL_ world: [10:19] <Faust-C> this is my work workstation
[15:20] <cinex> you can run kicker though and have a kde3 taskbar run
[15:20] <flaccid> what feature is that?
[15:20] <Faust-C> downhill_, heh
[15:20] <nosrednaekim> cinex: that defeats the purpose:P
[15:21] <cinex> http://software-libre.rudd-o.com/KDE_4.0.0_emergency_FAQ#Why_can.27t_I_auto-hide.2F_resize_the_panel.3F__Can_I_add_a_new_panel.3F
[15:21] <cinex> no it doesn't
[15:21] <downhill_> alright, I don't know why it says "ubuntu IRC" then connects you to freenode, but w/e :P
[15:21] <flaccid> downhill_: dns
[15:21] <downhill_> DNS has absolutely nothing to do with the label they toss in Konversation by default
[15:21] <nosrednaekim> downhill_: like everything else, they had to put their branding on it ;)
[15:21] <downhill_> hehehe
[15:21] <downhill_> it's ok :)
[15:21] <sam__> hello everyone
[15:21] <downhill_> just noticed was all :)
[15:21] <flaccid> thanks cinex
[15:22] <nosrednaekim> I think they run their own server or something... but everything connects to freenode
[15:22] <nosrednaekim> hi sam__
[15:22] <flaccid> downhill_: thats part of kubuntu distro
[15:22] <downhill_> I -know- I just think it's silly
[15:22]  * downhill_ shakes head
[15:22] <sam__> is this right place to ask questions about nvidia 8600 GT related compiz problems?
[15:22] <downhill_> oooooh you're right! it's not just a label change! it *actually* goes to ubuntu.com
[15:23] <downhill_> er irc.ubuntu.com ... I think you got me
[15:23] <nosrednaekim> sam__: maybe.... but a better place might be #compiz-fusion
[15:23] <sam__> how to go to that place?
[15:23] <flaccid> irc.ubuntu.com is an alias for chat.freenode.net.
[15:23] <stdin> irc.ubuntu.com is a cname for irc.feenode.net
[15:23] <sam__> #compiz-fusion
[15:23] <SeicherlBoB> Can someone tell me what this syslog-entry means (it happens after i docked my laptop - docking stations USB ports refuse to work): kernel: [ 4191.408000] PM: Writing back config space on device 0000:02:00.0 at offset f (was ffffffff, writing 10b)
[15:24] <nosrednaekim> if you are using konversation, just click on that blue link
[15:24] <downhill_> wow, how many times do I have to say that I *KNOW* this, I just think it's silly?
[15:24] <sam__> ok
[15:24] <flaccid> downhill_: as many as you would like
[15:24] <stdin> downhill_: because people are more likely to trust *ubuntu.com than some thing called freenode
[15:24] <man05> Hello again, I am downloading the kubuntu alternative cd in order to see if there is an option repaire or something similar in order to rescue a broken system. If there is no option like this, i will try to install over my system. I assume that no data will be lost, except some configuration files or contents of .program directories in home. Is that correct?
[15:25] <skreech_> hallo
[15:25] <skreech_> what's the best cli burning tool ?
[15:25] <nosrednaekim> man05: a reinstall will wipe everything if you don't have a separate /home
[15:25] <downhill_> man05: the alternative disc doesn't have any additional recovery tools I'm aware of.
[15:25] <nosrednaekim> man05: back everything up from a liveCD
[15:25] <downhill_> what nosrednaekim said, man0
[15:25] <downhill_> man05^
[15:25] <downhill_> it's always a good idea to put /home on it's own partition
[15:26] <Zet> ok, now my computer froze completely. I tried to do a cold reboot to the Kubuntu live-cd, but that died of an error message that had something to do with a problem decompressing the filesystem on the CD. then I did a nother cold reboot and tried the feature that checks the integrity of the disc. I got the loading screen for a while, and then a black screen that started repeating the following: "BUG: Soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 11s! [exe:2673]"
[15:26] <downhill_> Zet: this is using the final release?
[15:26] <Zet> yes
[15:26] <downhill_> not some RC/beta/alpha thing?
[15:26] <Zet> no
[15:26] <nosrednaekim> Zet: do you have a laptop?
[15:26] <Zet> no
[15:27] <Zet> it's an AMD64 dual core desktop
[15:27] <downhill_> have you check the integrity of the ISO image?
[15:27] <Zet> actually no
[15:27] <downhill_> that'd be a good starting place.
[15:27] <nosrednaekim> Zet: ok, then turn the computer off and pull out the power for about 2 minutes
[15:27] <downhill_> nosrednaekim: that accomplishes ...what? heh
[15:27] <nosrednaekim> Zet: I occasionally had this problem with my Turion laptop
[15:27] <Zet> how do I check md5 sums in windows?
[15:28] <skreech_> !burn
[15:28] <downhill_> Zet: #windows
[15:28] <nosrednaekim> downhill_: I'm actually not sure... that just fixed it for me :P
[15:28] <downhill_> hahaha sounds like some strange ritual to me
[15:28] <downhill_> pat your head, pull your left leg behind you and squak to make it work
[15:29] <nosrednaekim> downhill_: hey.. w/e works... i'll do :)
[15:29] <downhill_> short of discharging some static, no idea what that would help :P
[15:29] <downhill_> sure
[15:29] <gvv> hola
[15:29] <nosrednaekim> hello gvv
[15:30] <gvv> hi my frend
[15:30] <gvv> my friend
[15:30] <downhill_> I can't read shiz in koncersation... I think it's more to do with the vesa driver ...driving than the actual app
[15:30] <downhill_> konversation*
[15:30] <downhill_> wish me luck :P brb
[15:31] <Zet> nosrednaekim: so anyway, is this bug in the Kubuntu (i.e. the kernel?) or my hardware?
[15:32] <nosrednaekim> Zet: not sure
[15:32] <nosrednaekim> hardware I think
[15:32] <Zet> well, the md5sum checks out ok
[15:32] <Zet> the iso is good
[15:32] <downhill_> woot
[15:32] <downhill_> ATi drivers installed without a hitch after I reinstalled Kubuntu :)
[15:32] <latitu> the /24 means 0.0.0.*            how to make 0.0.*.*?
[15:33] <downhill_> (and re-downloaded the .run installer)
[15:33] <llutz> latitu: /16
[15:33] <latitu> whats /16 for?
[15:34] <nosrednaekim> downhill_: heh... try loggin out :P
[15:34] <llutz> latitu:  netmask 255.255.0.0
[15:34] <downhill_> nosrednaekim: it works now. 8.4 fixed that
[15:34] <BluesKaj> hiyas , I have no login page after uninstalling kde4 . I'm logging in at the TTY prompt after this message ," kinit:no resume image, during normal boot."  I'm wondering how to restore the missing step in the boot up.
[15:35] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: can you go to CTrl+alt+ f2?
[15:35] <latitu> llutz 192.168.0.0/16      means      192.168.*.*   ?
[15:35] <BluesKaj> yup
[15:35] <skreech_> Shall I assume that wodim is the blessed Is it a busybox login ?
[15:35] <llutz> latitu: yes
[15:35] <latitu> llutz thx. what is /     for 192.*.*.*    ?
[15:35] <downhill_> BluesKaj: that message is irrelevant. what happened is, I think you uninstalled "kdm" as well as KDE4.
[15:36] <llutz> latitu: /8
[15:36] <downhill_> "kdm" is that log-in manager/screen/"page"/whatever you wanna call it
[15:36] <latitu> llutz thx !
[15:36] <latitu> llutz and /4 is for *.*.*.* i gues
[15:36] <llutz> 0
[15:36] <downhill_> nosrednaekim: you tempt the gods of luck :P I wanna log out now :P haha
[15:37] <nosrednaekim> heh
[15:38] <MintLars> can someone help me with iPod support in hardy? I can't use it since gutsy --> hardy upgrade.
[15:38] <BluesKaj> downhill_, I'm aware of what kdm does , but "kdm is already the newest version" message after trying several times with apt.
[15:38] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: make sure kdm is installed, then  run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[15:38] <nosrednaekim> and maybe sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[15:38] <man05> Since the system broke after upgrading to 8.04, i am thinking following some instructions to downgrade. (remove libx11-6, change sources.list hardy to gutsy, update, install kubuntu desktop). Then i could wait a while and then try to upgrade to 8.04 again. What do you think?
[15:38] <downhill_> BluesKaj: hold that thought.
[15:38] <downhill_> BluesKaj: do you have an ATi card?
[15:39] <llutz> latitu: http://www.mrhope.com/jargon/n/netmask.htm
[15:39] <nosrednaekim> man05: downgrading is gonna break things horribly
[15:39] <latitu> i just scanned the network  (having 150 computers) as nmap 192.168.0.0/16 -sP   and it is giving like 500 pcs are online...... why?
[15:40] <downhill_> nmap = sexy
[15:40] <atle> after upgrading to 8.04 "system settings" gives a crash report every time i try to start it, anyone else experienced this?
[15:40] <cinex> not me
[15:40] <sam__> hi can anyone help me pls ? http://pastebin.ca/1002923
[15:40] <atle> tried about 10 times now, so can't just be random crashes
[15:40] <man05> nosrednaekim: It is not actually downgrading, but getting old versions because of the repositories and removing libX11-6.
[15:41] <man05> atle : this is one of my issues after upgrading
[15:41] <atle> man05: found a solution?
[15:41] <man05> atle: does run -> kcontrol works for you?
[15:42] <Zet> this suggests the CPU lockup bug has something to do with a restricted wlan driver, but my computer doesn't have wlan at all https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/63418
[15:42] <atle> man05: haven't thought about that before, but it does!
[15:42] <man05> atle: running kcontrol doesn't work for me.. :(
[15:42] <BluesKaj> yup, sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm , did the trick ..right on nosrednaekim :)
[15:43] <man05> atle: nice, i always liked kcontrol more!
[15:43] <downhill_> Here's a professional question, "Are there official training lessons available for Kubuntu? Resources such as video tutorials, an introductory to the desktop, getting around, etc."
[15:43] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: :)
[15:43]  * BluesKaj makes a note for the CLI cmnd text file
[15:43] <SeicherlBoB> How can i redetect the hardware at runtime? The problem is, that i don't have USB-Ports or network interfaces when docking my laptop while running. Can i force a redetection?
[15:43] <atle> man05: hmm, strange, maybe two different bugs then..
[15:44] <nosrednaekim> downhill_: there is an OpenWeek topic on that... friday I think
[15:44] <man05> nosrednaekim the guide is here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=623058 It is marked solved. This is not the problem i have, but the ability to 'downgrade'
[15:44] <downhill_> nosrednaekim: Excellent.
[15:44] <atle> hmm.. no, kcontrol and systemsettings are two different things?
[15:44] <nosrednaekim> check out the schedule in the link in the topic
[15:44] <downhill_> nosrednaekim: What's your "must have" app? :)
[15:44] <downhill_> will do
[15:45] <man05> atle: they load the same modules i think, but not the same program
[15:45] <atle> mkay, still strange systemsettings crashes, and in your case kcontrol too..
[15:45] <nosrednaekim> downhill_: bash :)
[15:45] <nosrednaekim> and pythn
[15:45] <downhill_> hah!
[15:46] <Faust-C> whats a pretty fast mirror for download
[15:46] <Faust-C> nosrednaekim, zsh ftw btw
[15:46] <downhill_> go back to Slackware, silly
[15:46] <nosrednaekim> downhill_: forgot to mention... apt :)
[15:46] <downhill_> slapt-get :P j/k
[15:46] <man05> atle: in my case kcontrol is opening with only one empty folder on the left named networks!
[15:47] <man05> downhill_ : if i had the time i would move back to gentoo :) emerge !
[15:47] <nosrednaekim> nah, I used slack for years
[15:47] <atle> man05:  hmm.. strange, i tried to google for a solution, but no answer
[15:47] <downhill_> nosrednaekim: as a buddy of mine put it, "Compiling something that's been compiled to run on billions of machines like yours is a waste of time." (or was it compiling it millions of times instead of once? either way...)
[15:48] <downhill_> man05, atle: mark kcontrol for reinstall then try it again
[15:49] <man05> atle , i had this thing from the previous version. In the lost & found in k menu, i can find all the modules of kcontrol!
[15:49] <atle> downhill_: same applies for systemsettings then i guess? kcontrol works fine here..
[15:49] <atle> man05: in lost&found?
[15:50] <downhill_> atle: sure.
[15:50] <man05> downhill_:tried both kcontrol and kde-systemsettings. Also tried to delete .kde from my home and root's !
[15:50] <atle> downhill_:  will try that then
[15:50] <downhill_> it's a shot in the dark, but can fix it if the files got corrupt/deleted/whatever
[15:50] <man05> atle : yes Kmenu->Lost&found.
[15:52] <atle> man05: i have "Audio Encoding", "Network Connections" and "Storage Media Notifications" there..
[15:53] <atle> and adept manager won't start (another process is using the db...)
[15:53] <nosrednaekim> atle: you can also run them from the command line with "kcmshell sectionname"
[15:54] <nosrednaekim> and you can get a list of sections with "kcmshell --list"
[15:54] <nosrednaekim> !aptfix
[15:54] <man05> downhill_ : there are multiple problems after the upgrade. There is no hardware failure. (In the past i had hd failure.)
[15:55] <downhill_> somehow I don't think Ubuntu killed your HDD, bud
[15:55] <man05> nosrednaekim:When I kcmshell --list, i get no results..
[15:55] <atle> wish i'd stuck with 7.10 for a while longer..
[15:55] <atle> things like this are annoying
[15:56] <nosrednaekim> man05: well, there you go... all the modules are uninstalled
[15:56] <man05> downhill_ : i'm pretty sure it is a software problem
[15:56] <KR-data> how do I make java work in Firefox 3? It worked fine before I upgraded to 8.04
[15:56] <downhill_> k
[15:57] <man05> nosrednaekim : I kmenu -> lost & Found -> accessibility and I get the module (with title: Configure: KDE Control Module) !
[15:57] <BluesKaj> atle, did you previously update after the adept notifier message saying you had updates available ?
[15:57] <chrissherry> hello
[15:57] <reagleBRKLN> which package controls "/usr/src/linux" i'm trying to build vmware and it doesn't find that directory
[15:58] <BluesKaj> atle,, there's a bug in the adept notifier which tries to update amarok and some other apps even tho they are already the newest versions
[16:00] <man05> so, any  thoughts? would you do it? past message follows:
[16:01] <man05> Since the system broke after upgrading to 8.04, i am thinking following some instructions to downgrade. (remove libx11-6, change sources.list hardy to gutsy, update, install kubuntu desktop). Then i could wait a while and then try to upgrade to 8.04 again. What do you think?
[16:01] <stdin> downgrading is not supported
[16:01] <tgreer> i was wondering if anyone could assist. I have kubuntu-kde4 on my macbook pro. I'm looking to map a ket (keycode 115) to act as the right mouse button. any ideas?
[16:02] <nosrednaekim> !hotkeys
[16:02] <Lynoure> man05: What is the problem that is making you want to downgrade?
[16:03] <joh6nn> anyone know what the hell /usr/uns/lib is?
[16:04] <man05> Lynoure systemsettings crash at once, some gtk apps have probs (lake epiphany). Boot time problems, /network/interfaces configuration file remained the same but cannot be proccessed. I can feel my system unstable..
[16:05] <joh6nn> that sounds like a failed update. : (
[16:05] <nosrednaekim> later guys.....
[16:06] <Lynoure> man05: I'd even rather recommend reinstalling (without formatting) over the existing install than trying to downgrade
[16:07] <atle> BluesKaj: hmm..i've had no notifications of updates via adept scince i updated to 8.04 on friday
[16:07] <joh6nn> man05: yeah, i'm with Lynoure on that one.  downgrading will almost definitely *not* help
[16:07] <benjamin> hi, I'v installed kubuntu 8.04, firefox 2 and 3. But how do i start firefox 2? any ideas?
[16:08] <man05> Lynoure, joh6nn: Because of the interfaces at boot, i have problem booting because i need to mount nfs.. i have to login and manually set the address of eth0:0. But if i install over the existing system, wouldn't i lose files?
[16:08] <latitu> $ nmap 192.0.0.0/8 -sP
[16:08] <latitu> Starting Nmap 4.53 ( http://insecure.org ) at 2008-04-30 20:07 PKT
[16:08] <latitu> Strange error from connect (105):No buffer space available
[16:08] <latitu> ?
[16:08] <joh6nn> man05: you'd lose any configurations you'd customized, so you'd need to back those up, yes.
[16:08] <BluesKaj> atle,ok , was checking to make sure adept notifier wasn't stuck , running in the background
[16:09] <man05> so i am not loosing my home? there is an option, not formatting?
[16:09] <joh6nn> man05: yeah, there's an option not to format /home
[16:09] <atle> BluesKaj: running "sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a" now
[16:10] <atle> "This may take some time"x10
[16:10] <man05> But /home doesn't rely on a different partition. (stupid me)
[16:10] <latitu> whats wrong
[16:10] <joh6nn> man05: oh. then you're out of luck
[16:10] <joh6nn> i think
[16:11] <melkart> will there (probably) be a point release of 8.04 with kde 3.5.9?
[16:11] <KR-data> I can't get my homebanking module work in Firefox 3, anyone who can help?
[16:11] <stdin> melkart: 8.04 has 3.5.9 now
[16:11] <BluesKaj> atle, right ..that's the cmnd , then run,  ' sudo dpkg --configure -a '
[16:12] <melkart> stdin: i know... i meant... another bug-fix release after the release, in a month or so... like it was done for dapper
[16:13] <atle> ah, sweet, now adept starts at least ;)
[16:13] <stdin> melkart: there will be point releases of 8.04, yes
[16:13] <atle> so, i should try to re-install systemsettings then?
[16:13] <man05> joh6nn , i don't know if waiting and doing the updates will help me on that.. i think apt will not understand what is broken.. so backup and reinstalation seems to be the only way.
[16:13] <melkart> stdin: thank you
[16:13] <joh6nn> man05: that's usually the best course, yeah
[16:13] <hexidigital> yay for wpa_supplicant 'just working'
[16:14] <joh6nn> man05: and you've learned the extremely important lesson of separate partitions. ; )
[16:14] <hexidigital> erm.. sorry, wrong channel
[16:14] <man05> atle : how did you manage?
[16:14] <Lynoure> hexidigital: still nice to hear :)
[16:14] <hexidigital> Lynoure:
[16:14] <atle> man: manage what?
[16:14] <hexidigital> Lynoure:  :)
[16:14] <man05> joh6nn : you can guess my partition scheme now!
[16:14] <atle> getting adept manager to work?
[16:15] <joh6nn> man05: not a bad idea to have a tiny partition for /boot, either
[16:15] <man05> atle, sorry mistake. adept still works for me :)
[16:15] <atle> :)
[16:15] <BluesKaj> man05, sometimes using synaptic/edit /"fix broken packages"  will help too
[16:15] <atle> but gtg, i'll check in later
[16:15] <man05> BluesKaj, i don't have that option
[16:16] <man05> wait, that was a joke ..
[16:16] <man05> jah6nn: Thinking about /boot,swap,/,/home .. in that order..
[16:16] <man05> even though i don't really use swap
[16:17] <hydrogen> there is no need for a separate /boot.
[16:18] <man05> hudrogen: Is it only for security reasons, wouldn't that speed up the boot proccess?
[16:18] <llutz> man05: not at all
[16:19] <man05> BluesKaj : yes, there is that option, but doesn't find anything.
[16:19] <BluesKaj> man05, ok ..it's worth a shot sometimes
[16:19] <joh6nn> man05: that's basically the partition layout i have.  looks good. :)
[16:20] <man05> maybe i won't use /boot.. :) i also want another partition.. + i want to limit to the 4 primary
[16:20] <llutz> man05: why primary?
[16:20] <man05> BluesKaj : it does :) thnx
[16:20] <man05> llutz: i don't know.. it is something inside me..
[16:20] <latitu> iam trying to shift to wireless tech. i have a local isp for my town. how much will it be cosly that traditional wireed lan ? and i think it wil be more good as no wires gives less maintanance and more secure?
[16:21] <hexidigital> wireless is never more secure than wired
[16:21] <hexidigital> (unless i misread what you said)
[16:22] <latitu> hm. why
[16:22] <JuJuBee> I have a question about new release...I use ATI 9600 Mobility in my laptop and the proprietary drivers to get dual head setup working.  Does 8 handle the AIT card better?  Will I need the prop. drivers still?
[16:22] <hexidigital> latitu:  because, with wires, you have more control over who connects.  in wireless, it is easily crackable.
[16:23] <hexidigital> latitu:  the most reliable, most secure kind of network is fiber
[16:23] <llutz> hexidigital: good luck with "easy cracking" wpa2
[16:23] <hexidigital> s/network/network\ medium
[16:23] <hexidigital> llutz:  well, ok. not so much 'easy' with wpa2, but still possible
[16:24] <hexidigital> llutz:  most 'home' users don't even lock down their networks, let alone use wpa/wpa2
[16:24] <hydrogen> thankfully!
[16:24] <hydrogen> saves me a lot of money each month
[16:24] <llutz> hexidigital: sure, but it's quite easy to connect/listen to a wired network too, if wires are accessable in public areas
[16:24] <llutz> hexidigital: those are idiots
[16:24]  * hexidigital agrees
[16:24] <BluesKaj> JuJuBee, in my experience Hardy has better support for ATI cards than previous drivers ...I have an elcheapo X200G onboard and the restricted driver does 3D and DRI , after installing the driver at the prompt after the first bootup
[16:25] <man05> Will start backing up.. (But i will also try to downgrade after the backup (so i can lose some more time away from my university) :D
[16:28] <JuJuBee> BluesKaj : thanks for the info.
[16:29] <JuJuBee> I am nearing the end of school and will upgrade *after* all students are gone and grades are done... ;)
[16:29] <BluesKaj> hope it works for you JuJuBee..gonna try the restricted driver?
[16:29] <JuJuBee> Not sure.  Try without first.
[16:37] <atle> BluesKaj: was it you who suggested to reinstall systemsettings?
[16:40] <BluesKaj> atle, not me
[16:40] <atle> ok..
[16:40] <JoshOvki> hey BlueKaj
[16:40] <atle> i'll try it anyways ;)
[16:41] <BluesKaj> atle, I've never heard of that
[16:41] <eht> Anyone knows about Hardy for PS3 ?
[16:41] <atle> heard of what? systemsettings?
[16:42] <eht> Does ot exist ?
[16:43] <DreadKnight> !mencoder
[16:43] <atle> seems like i have this bug, only in 8.04, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-systemsettings/+bug/114286
[16:52] <alanx> what's up people!
[16:52] <alanx> here it's so quiet?
[16:53] <genii> alanx: Quiet can be good :)
[16:53] <atle> hmm.. then it works..
[16:53] <alanx> I think is boring
[16:55] <Signil> shuld I make any backups be4 upgrading to kde4? I am on feisty
[16:55] <JoshOvki> Signil: nah, from kde3 to 4 shouldnt be a problem because its essentialy a program
[16:56] <JoshOvki> upgrading from feisty to hardy you should backup (at a later date i guess that will be)
[16:56] <Signil> ok
[16:59] <lmg> salut à tous
[16:59] <lmg> je suis en train d'effectuer la mise à jour de gusty vers hardy
[16:59] <lmg> cependant, une fenetre s'est affichée à propos de la configuration de gproftpd
[17:00] <jussio1> !fr | lmg
[17:00] <lmg> par erreur, j'ai cliqué sur lancer un shell pour examiner la situation
[17:00] <lmg> oops sorry ^^
[17:00] <jussio1> :)
[17:00] <lmg> so... good bye ;)
[17:02] <hexidigital> anyone know off hand if Kmail caches IMAP mail headers automagically?  (I have lots of GMail, and some folders take forever initially)
[17:03] <RurouniJones> Hmm, I have a strange US keyboard layout here. I think it is US intl but everytime i use the ´ or ¨ keys I have to press them twice to get them to make quotes or double quotes. If I hit once then a letter I get strange stuff like á
[17:04] <RurouniJones> Anyone know how to make it a bog standard english keyboard again?
[17:04] <JoshOvki> system settings  > reginol & languages > keyboard layout
[17:05] <RurouniJones> yeeess.....then waht?
[17:05] <JoshOvki> (sorry about the bad spelling)
[17:05] <JoshOvki> Enable Keyboard Layout
[17:05] <RurouniJones> I have tried every variation of the US keyboard layout and nothing appears to work
[17:05] <JoshOvki> RurouniJones: you going to US or UK keyboard?
[17:05] <RurouniJones> US
[17:06] <JoshOvki> i only have one US  type showing here
[17:06] <RurouniJones> Thee is a layout variants box
[17:07] <RurouniJones> Aha. got it!
[17:07] <JoshOvki> Default ?
[17:07] <RurouniJones> Basica variant with a 105key intl keyboard setting
[17:07] <JoshOvki> ah kk :)
[17:08] <RurouniJones> it was 104 before. I never messed with those
[17:08] <RurouniJones> "Oh my sweet glorious standard 'quotes' and doublequotes"
[17:08] <JoshOvki> lol
[17:08] <genii> RurouniJones: Please pastebin the result of command:   locale
[17:10] <RurouniJones> genii: Sorted it now, but everything is en_GB for curiosities sake
[17:10] <RurouniJones> en_GB.UTF8 to be specific
[17:11] <RurouniJones> I am a Brit living in Japan with an American keyboard layout...
[17:11] <genii> OK
[17:11] <JoshOvki> lol
[17:11] <nosrednaekim> I think that could only be more complicated if you were living in Aus ;)
[17:12] <RurouniJones> hehe
[17:13]  * RurouniJones goes back to posting "It is spelt 'honoUr' you heathens!" on forums with normal quotes now
[17:14] <nosrednaekim> well well.... thats a colOrful occupation
[17:20] <cheese_> is anyone here
[17:20] <nosrednaekim> yes
[17:21] <cheese_> have you update or install kubuntu8.04？
[17:21] <nosrednaekim> yes
[17:21] <nosrednaekim> updated
[17:22] <cheese_> kde3 or 4
[17:22] <nosrednaekim> both
[17:22] <nosrednaekim> though I mostly use 4
[17:24] <alanx> ok, guys I am off, be good
[17:24] <wesley> How is the kernel file most times called ?
[17:25] <llutz> wesley: the file? vmlinuz
[17:25] <wesley> okay thats
[17:26] <tarek_> hi poeeps
[17:26] <tarek_> peeps
[17:26] <nosrednaekim> hello tarek_
[17:27] <tarek_> i have downloaded the official nvidia drivers from nvidia.com and installed it correctly
[17:27] <sparr__> the upgrade to firefox 3 is somewhat annoying because my most important addon does not work there yet
[17:28] <nosrednaekim> tarek_: why? they are in the repositories
[17:28] <tarek_> the problem is that when i configure the settings to 1024x21280 it only keeps the settings till i restart the system and it is back to its default resolution
[17:28] <tarek_> problem is that i have an onboard graficcard
[17:28] <tarek_> and i have to compile everything
[17:29] <tarek_> and it worked on my other machine well
[17:29] <tarek_> but on this one it doesnt
[17:29] <tarek_> nosrednaekim: maybe you can tell me what is wrong
[17:29] <nosrednaekim> sparr__: did you put "Driver   'nvidia'" in your xorg.conf?
[17:30] <sparr__> tarek_: ^^
[17:30] <tarek_> sparr: what is so funny?
[17:30] <nosrednaekim> yeah.. :P
[17:30] <nosrednaekim> sparr__: try installing firefox-2
[17:30] <sparr__> tarek_: that wasnt a smiley, it was two up-arrows
[17:31] <sparr__> thanks nosrednaekim
[17:31] <tarek_> anyway what is the solution
[17:32] <nosrednaekim> tarek_: did you put "Driver 'nvidia'" in your xorg.conf?
[17:33] <tarek_> it is there
[17:33] <sparr__> can someone explain the dichotomy between kde4 and firefox3 in terms of inclusion in 8.04?
[17:33] <nosrednaekim> ok.. tarek_, then get the nvidia-settings package
[17:33] <nosrednaekim> sparr__: well, they are completel;y different reasons
[17:33] <tarek_> rgr
[17:33] <nosrednaekim> actually, opposite :P
[17:34] <sparr__> why?  both are in beta stages, both will be mature soon and supported throughout the LTS period
[17:34] <nosrednaekim> sparr__: the greatest problem people had with dapper was firefox being too old (1.5) so they put the beta into hardy
[17:35] <nosrednaekim> OTOH, KDE4 was allowed into hardy, and rid Kubuntu of the LTS label
[17:35] <nosrednaekim> (in short)
[17:35] <BluesKaj> sparr__, FF3 is included as the default browser with kubuntu period
[17:36] <sparr__> BluesKaj: hence my question
[17:36] <sparr__> why FF3 and not KDE4?
[17:36] <nosrednaekim> eh? firefox is on the kubuntu liveCD?
[17:36] <BluesKaj> cuz kde4 isn't ready for prime time on some setups
[17:37] <sparr__> neither is firefox 3
[17:37] <nosrednaekim> sparr__: firefox 3 is a small program compared to KDE4 which is a huge change from kde3
[17:37] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, dunno for sure but it's in the Hardy repos
[17:37] <sparr__> nosrednaekim: that is a plausible explanation
[17:37] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: right.
[17:37] <makdaknife> moronic IMHO. it just doesn't make sense to push beta software as part of a distro... when things break it looks bad for the distribution
[17:38] <sloth> any wiki's available to find drivers for a broadcom wifi card?
[17:38] <nosrednaekim> !wireless
[17:38] <sloth> ty
[17:38] <BluesKaj> I upgrade by netinstall and FF3 B5 is the default FF
[17:38] <nosrednaekim> yeah... me too
[17:38] <tarek_> nosrednaekim: done now what? restart kde?
[17:39] <nosrednaekim> tarek_: mess around with the settings in there... that should set the resolution permanantly
[17:40] <sparr__> makdaknife: i disagree
[17:40] <sparr__> people will be installing 8.04 for years
[17:40] <sparr__> and six months from now (presumably), FF3 will be stable
[17:41] <sparr__> id rather have six months of slightly buggy firefox than 2.5 years of outdated firefox
[17:41] <makdaknife> sparr__: sure, but it should be a no-brainer to have the firefox package point to the firefox3 package when it is released
[17:41] <jhutchins_wk> How about twenty years of buggy, outdated firefox?
[17:42] <makdaknife> jhutchins_wk: heh heh
[17:42] <jhutchins_wk> I swear there are bugs in the history functions that I reported on mosaic.
[17:42] <tinel> hi all
[17:42] <sparr__> i have trouble with these arguments mostly because i dislike ubuntu's release system in general
[17:42] <jhutchins_wk> konqueror for me when I can get it.
[17:42] <sparr__> ive got debian unstable in my repos list once again, because i know i can't pull packages from ubuntu+1 for at least a few months
[17:43] <makdaknife> sparr__: microsoft would be taken to task if it released a new version of Windows with a beta version of IE as the default browser
[17:43] <sparr__> makdaknife: firefox is not the default browser in kubuntu
[17:43] <makdaknife> sparr__: but in ubuntu?
[17:43] <sparr__> touche
[17:44] <sparr__> but...  one might contend that pre-SP2, IE 6 was still in beta  :)
[17:44] <tinel> does anyone know how to install kubuntu 7.10 on a usb 4gb key? Thank you all
[17:44] <sparr__> tinel: point the installer at it?
[17:44] <makdaknife> sparr__: heh fair point
[17:44] <tinel> hehe, sure but the system will install gru loader
[17:44] <sparr__> makdaknife: in which case being willing to LABEL it a beta is a plus
[17:44] <tinel> i need to load kubuntu from other pc
[17:45] <dwidmann> tinel: I don't know, but I've an idea that I'm going to try
[17:45] <sparr__> tinel: i believe you need the alternate installer
[17:45] <sparr__> i also believe there are guides for this
[17:45] <tinel> sure but all the ways seem to be really complicated
[17:45] <makdaknife> sparr__: I just feel that for new people trying out the distribution for the first time... its a little bit sad if the browser doesn't work with all of the extensions etc that people expect it to work with
[17:46] <makdaknife> sparr__: anyway... I guess this discussion doesn't really belong in this channel
[17:46] <sparr__> makdaknife: cant be helped, plenty of FF1.5 extensions still dont work with FF2
[17:46] <makdaknife> sparr__: fairy nuff
[17:47] <dwidmann> tinel: if I can force my idea to work it won't be complicated, then again I don't know if it will work or not
[17:47] <tinel> i'm leaving, thanks for the support
[17:48] <tarek_> nosrednaekim: how do i start it?
[17:49] <tarek_> nosrednaekim: how do i start it?
[17:52] <jessica_> how do i restart my sound
[17:53] <nosrednaekim> jessica_: sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
[17:56] <jessica_> thanks
[18:00] <arnaud__> Bonjour
[18:03] <zorglu_> q. im planing to install kubuntu8.04, how stable is it up to now ?
[18:03] <hexidigital> zorglu_:  very stable
[18:04] <zorglu_> ok thanks
[18:05] <sigma_1234> stdin: is kde4.1 alpha 1 going to be packaged for kubuntu ?
[18:05] <spanther> still no sound in kubuntu 8.04 :(
[18:06] <stdin> if dasKreech has anything to do with it
[18:07] <sigma_1234> stdin: what do you mean? and is it any better than 4.0.3?
[18:07] <nosrednaekim> its far better than 4.0.3 in features... instability i'm guessing no :P
[18:07] <sigma_1234> spanther: odd. did you have sound in gutsy?
[18:08] <nosrednaekim> sigma_1234: daskreech is working on packaging (maybe)
[18:08] <spanther> sigma_1234, yep :)
[18:08] <stdin> sigma_1234: it won't be in the kde4 PPA, because it needs Qt4.4 and that's not in Ubuntu, but he's trying to get another PPA for it for those that want some excitement
[18:08] <sigma_1234> i saw a screenshot tour. it said that only the plasma was unstable
[18:08] <spanther> das <-- german title for "things" :)
[18:10] <spanther> sigma_1234, sound hardware is recognized properly but i dont have sound and yes volume bars are up and sound server is enabled :)
[18:11] <sigma_1234> why isnt qt4.4 in ubuntu yet in any case?
[18:11] <stdin> sigma_1234: because it hasn't been released by trolltech yet
[18:11] <sigma_1234> spanther: what card is it?
[18:12] <o0Chris0o> how do I load kdem theme manager?
[18:12] <sigma_1234> stdin: how did kde get it then?
[18:12] <stdin> because they use the snapshots
[18:12] <spanther> sigma_1234, its not a card its inside the northbridge/southbridge chipset onboard :) nvidia MCP65 high definition audio controller
[18:13] <sigma_1234> i see opensuse has 4.1 in their repos
[18:13] <BluesKaj> spanther, make sure the ctrls in alsamixer are unmuted , us ethe M key to do so.
[18:13] <stdin> the RC was only released this month
[18:13] <jpatrick> sigma_1234: intrepid is frozen for toolchain upload
[18:14] <spanther> BluesKaj, what has to stay there? marked green 00 or without green marking ?
[18:15] <guru_> hello
[18:15] <sigma_1234> i also have nvidia. works fine with no config
[18:15] <spanther> sigma_1234, lucky one :(
[18:15] <spanther> my nForce520 makes trouble i think
[18:15] <sigma_1234> jpatrick: toolchain upload?
[18:16] <spanther> oh my god i have sound :D
[18:16] <stdin> sigma_1234: the C library, compiler, etc
[18:16] <sigma_1234> spanther: did it work in gutsy?
[18:16] <spanther> sigma_1234, there were some things still muted after unmuting everything it works now
[18:16] <spanther> sigma_1234, yes it did and it does now since i've unmuted things i couldnt unmute at KDE GUI
[18:18] <spanther> sigma_1234, alsamixer had bars Kmix didnt had so there were things muted i couldnt see without alsamixer hehe
[18:19] <sigma_1234> stdin: i see. is a release schedule of intrepid out? im bored of hardy:) and any chance of kde4 as default in it?
[18:19] <stdin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule
[18:20] <lmg> Why haven't I KDE4 after upgrading kubuntu to hardy?
[18:20] <sigma_1234> spanther: yeah alsamixer is handy. i wonder if kubuntu will get pulseaudio
[18:20] <spanther> sigma_1234, i never heard about pulseaudio hehe :)
[18:20] <genii> lmg: Because kubuntu works with kde3 or kde4
[18:20] <sigma_1234> its in ubuntu hardy
[18:21] <stdin> sigma_1234: if KDE 4.1 is good enough, then possibly
[18:21] <lmg> ANd how can I have it?
[18:21] <lmg> What must I do?
[18:21] <stdin> to get kde4 install kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[18:21] <spanther> sigma_1234, but preload is nice its similiar to superfetch :X
[18:22] <lmg> stdin: Is this manip working good or is dangerous?
[18:22] <stdin> works fine for me
[18:23] <lmg> Will I have the choice beetween 3 or 4 when loading an user session?
[18:23] <sigma_1234> yes
[18:24] <lmg> Is it long to install kde4?
[18:24] <sigma_1234> its about 100mb
[18:24] <lmg> ok
[18:24] <lmg> thank you
[18:25] <lmg> (and subsidiary question, Is my english good or not? :p)
[18:25] <stdin> your english is fine :)
[18:25] <tete> halo
[18:26] <sigma_1234> grammar is a bit off
[18:26] <spanther> stdin, and mine? :3
[18:26] <tete> im from slovak
[18:26] <stdin> probably better than mine, and I *am* english ;)
[18:26] <spanther> cool xD
[18:27] <tete> what is this
[18:27] <lmg> I am from France so its quit good (to my mind) that I can speak one or to word of English XD
[18:27] <lmg> too*
[18:28] <lmg> euh
[18:28] <sigma_1234> well in that case your english is dam good
[18:28] <lmg> two* :p
[18:28] <spanther> you're fine lmg :)
[18:28] <genii> lmg: Most native english speakers will not bother to use correct "an user" as you did.
[18:29] <marinosi> hello..I 've inserted a live cd with KDE4 of Kubuntu Hardy and the fonts are so huge I can 't go forward with the installation..How can that be fixed
[18:29] <marinosi> ?
[18:30] <lmg> thank you spanther and genii :) I try to install kde4 and come back if it don't work
[18:30] <tete> Are you speaking about Kubuntu???
[18:30] <spanther> koay but be aware that kde4 is beta
[18:30] <tete> and kde
[18:31] <tete> Kopete is GOOD, because i can chating with my friends
[18:32] <stdin> spanther: it's 4.0.3, it's not in beta
[18:33] <nosrednaekim> marinosi: did you try going into system settings and adjusting the size of the fonts
[18:33] <spanther> stdin, but i've heard that they have to fix alot of things
[18:33] <lmg> By the way, should I use aptitude or apt-get?
[18:33] <nosrednaekim> not fix... but add features
[18:33] <marinosi> nosrednaekim: the system is unusable with so huge fonts
[18:33] <tete> Are you have Skype in the Kubuntu, kde
[18:33] <stdin> lmg: both work
[18:33] <nosrednaekim> lmg: use aptitude so you can remove it easily
[18:34] <nosrednaekim> not that you will want to ;)
[18:34] <tete> Because i not
[18:34] <lmg> stdin: I know but what is the best?
[18:34] <stdin> I tend to use aptitude more
[18:34] <lmg> nosrednaekim: ok
[18:34] <stdin> !skype | tete
[18:35] <BluesKaj> spanther, the "00" marking replaces the mute "M" in the ctrl boxes
[18:35] <tete> ubunttu thank you
[18:36] <tete> because i have icq in Kopete, but Skype dont
[18:37] <tete> Je tu dakto zo Slovenska??
[18:38] <stdin> !sk
[18:39] <stdin> I think...
[18:39] <lmg> When I want to install kde4, aptitude offerde a lot of solution to resolve a problem, but I didn't Understood what is it about...
[18:39] <tete> Why
[18:39] <stdin> lmg: what package are you installing?
[18:39] <lmg> Its whit a score like -12, -124...
[18:40] <lmg> kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[18:40] <BluesKaj> !sl
[18:40] <stdin> lmg: can you post the output to pastebin
[18:40] <stdin> !paste
[18:40] <lmg> ok
[18:40] <lmg> wait a minute
[18:40] <tete> ubunttu: you is from slavak
[18:40] <hexidigital> do kubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-kde4-desktop conflict?
[18:41] <stdin> tete: ubottu is a program
[18:41] <stdin> !bot
[18:41] <skreech_> .
[18:41] <lmg> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8985/
[18:41] <BluesKaj> aha slobenis is si
[18:41] <BluesKaj> !si
[18:41] <stdin> hexidigital: no
[18:41] <hexidigital> stdin:  awesome. thanks
[18:41] <hexidigital> (didn't want to find out the hard way)
[18:42] <BluesKaj> !slovenia
[18:42]  * BluesKaj finally realizes the futility of it all 
[18:43] <tete> You are have kubuntu
[18:43] <stdin> lmg: can you try "sudo LANG=C aptitude install kubuntu-kde4-desktop"
[18:44] <lmg> ok, but can you telle me what is the aim of LANG=C please?
[18:44] <lmg> telll*
[18:44] <stdin> it makes the command print in English ;)
[18:44] <lmg> ok :D
[18:45] <o0Chris0o> how do I load kde theme manager?
[18:45] <stdin> !changethemes
[18:45] <navetz> hey does anyone here know if using krandtray might be an easy way to get dualscreen working?
[18:46] <lmg> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8986/
[18:47] <o0Chris0o> can't find system >> preferences
[18:47] <stdin> lmg: that's ok, it'll just remove packages you aren't usign
[18:47] <stdin> o0Chris0o: read the kubuntu instructions
[18:48] <leatherdruid> can anyone tell me why I'm getting so much traffic on irqs 12 & 17 ?
[18:48] <hmel> a
[18:48] <lmg> But which of this option should I take?
[18:49] <lmg> those*
[18:49] <o0Chris0o> stdin: I don't see any kubuntu instructions
[18:49] <stdin> o0Chris0o: read the 2nd link
[18:50] <navetz> where can I find krandtray?
[18:50] <navetz> I can't find the repos
[18:50] <lmg> Ok I'll try whith the first one (score of -12)
[18:51] <stdin> lmg: try just with apt-get
[18:51] <stdin> lmg: aptitude can be a bit annoying with dependencies sometimes
[18:52] <lmg> But somebody told me its not easy to remove packages with it?
[18:52] <stdin> removing kde4 is easy anyway
[18:52] <lmg> ok
[18:53] <lmg> so, let's go :)
[18:53] <spanther> scanning for tv   channels now :)
[19:01] <devnet> navetz: can you try apt-cache search krandtray in a konsole?
[19:01] <navetz> devnet: i have never tried apt-cache, let me give it a go thanks.
[19:02] <J> Hi, I've got an ACER Aspire 2020 that's having some problems with 8.10 (KDE 3) that's been upgraded to from 7.10.  Log out and shutdown don't work, it just hangs (well, for at least 15 mins which is as long as I left it).  I've tried acpi=force and reboot=b neither helped.  This wasn't an issue under 7.10.  Help?
[19:02] <navetz> devnet: nope nothing
[19:02] <devnet> so it's most likely not in any repository you are currently updating from
[19:03] <navetz> devnet: yea I am trying to find the repo, but I cant find it yet
[19:03] <devnet> navetz: you using KDE 4.x?
[19:04] <squid0> hello. I'm trying to install kubuntu-kde4 from a CD using apt, but it keeps trying to download the packages from the internet, which is problematic for me
[19:04] <squid0> how do I go about this?
[19:04] <navetz> devnet: nope
[19:04] <navetz> devnet: 3,5
[19:04] <devnet> squid0: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list to include only the CD, not an internet repository
[19:07] <navetz> devnet: I think it might not be avaliable in any ubuntu repositories
[19:07] <squid0> devnet: ok thanks
[19:07] <devnet> navetz: everything I'm seeing says it has been integrated inside kde
[19:07] <stdin> squid0: you can only do that from the alternate CD
[19:07] <squid0> stdin: oh drat
[19:07] <squid0> adept keeps crashing :(
[19:08] <navetz> devnet: Kubuntu's version of kde is different isnt it?
[19:08] <stdin> did you edit your sources.list before it crashed?
[19:08] <devnet> navetz: yes
[19:08] <spanther> i cant watch dvb-t after scanning for channels and having all i wanted to play them but now theres a problem "no module found to handle this source (/home/sven/.kaxtv.ts)
[19:08] <llutz> how does swsusp count partitions? it tries to resume from "8:5", it should use /dev/sda5
[19:08] <squid0> stdin: i'm not sure
[19:09] <devnet> squid0: hit alt-f2, type kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list, make changes, save, close
[19:09] <squid0> how do I install pulse audio? I thought it was installed by default?
[19:09] <stdin> only change it if you know what you're doing, as adept won't start if it's wrong
[19:09] <devnet> navetz: I'm finding that it is part of kcontrol
[19:09] <squid0> devnet: ok, but will that allow me to install packages from the kde remix cd?
[19:10] <spanther> i install kubuntu-restricted-extras now :)
[19:10] <devnet> squid0: not sure :/  I haven't used kubuntu in years now
[19:10]  * devnet used to be heavy debian though
[19:10] <squid0> devnet: you serious? so how come you hang out on this channel? :)
[19:10] <devnet> I'm helping navetz
[19:10] <devnet> he was on #kde
[19:10] <devnet> I came over since no one was answering him
[19:11] <squid0> oh that's nice
[19:11] <devnet> I just try to help...I love linux...no specific flavor
[19:11] <o0Chris0o> I am wondering if someone can help me install this theme called Azenis, I need other appz to do it, but if you can help me. I'll appreciate it, the theme is on kde-look, doesn't give any directions :(
[19:11] <devnet> navetz: I can't find a single resource for installing krandtray...supposedly it's already in KDE 3.5.9 somewhere..
[19:12] <devnet> navetz: you might try looking for it using locate (via konsole)
[19:12] <squid0> devnet: when I comment out all but the CD entry in sources.list, and do sudo apt-get update, I see output that says it's ignoring the CD repo
[19:13] <devnet> squid0: strange...is the CD mounted?
[19:13] <stdin> krandrtray is in kcontrol (KDE3) or kdebase-workspace-bin (KDE4)
[19:13] <squid0> devnet: no
[19:13] <bipolar> $ dpkg -S `which krandrtray`
[19:13] <bipolar> kcontrol: /usr/bin/krandrtray
[19:13] <bipolar> devnet: ^^
[19:13] <devnet> nod
[19:14] <devnet> <---no using kubuntu ":D
[19:14] <bipolar> ahh
[19:14] <spanther> ubuntu archive is slow as hell is this normal? ^^
[19:14] <devnet> for me it's 'conary q krandtray --path'
[19:14] <devnet> navetz: have fun :)  Glad we found the answer :D
[19:14]  * devnet greets the channel
[19:19] <squid0> hmm :( I remove all repos in adept, then add the kubuntu remix CD. then reload. but still, kubuntu-kde4-desktop does not show :(
[19:20] <squid0> sudo apt-get update gets: Ign cdrom://Kubuntu-KDE4 8.04 _Hardy Heron_ - Release i386 (20080423) hardy/main Translation-en_ZA
[19:21] <squid0> stdin: are you sure that this is only possible with the alternate CD?
[19:25] <kreib> whats annyoing is that shift tab doesnt tab backwards in app selection
[19:25] <lmg> stdin: I am back and the installation doesn't work
[19:25] <stdin> squid0: yes
[19:26] <lmg> It had made the connection not working
[19:26] <lmg> internet
[19:26] <lmg> it put internet off and I don't know why
[19:26] <stdin> lmg: try another mirror
[19:27] <lmg> But I am not sure it was the problem, because I was not here
[19:28] <lmg> I try again and if it do it again, I will ask you kow ot change mirror :)
[19:28] <lmg> how*
[19:30] <navetz> devnet: hey thanks, I had to help my dad so I was gone, and now I have to go again. Thanks
[19:33] <RurouniJones> So I have SKIM installed, what do I need to do to allow it to switch to Japanese input?
[19:33] <RurouniJones> For some reason if I add Japanese as a system language some app menus (Amarok I'm looking at you) go half japanese
[19:34] <RurouniJones> even if the system default is English
[19:35] <lmg> stdin: It doesn't work at all
[19:35] <lmg> what must I do?
[19:37] <at0mix> how would i get restricted drivers to show up? all was fine on 7.10 upgraded to 8.04 and nothing shows.
[19:39] <nosrednaekim> at0mix: new one doesn't seem to be working as well at detecting things... what hardware do you have that needs to be configured>
[19:40] <o0Chris0o> at0mix: try kmenu >> System >> Hardware Drivers Manager
[19:40] <at0mix> i have been through the most obvious things, driver manager and system settings
[19:40] <at0mix> system settings does not have restricted driver tab
[19:41] <at0mix> nvidia geforce video card is what i would like to have working
[19:41] <o0Chris0o> what card you got?
[19:41] <at0mix> i was using compiz in 7.10
[19:41] <at0mix> geforce4
[19:41] <o0Chris0o> I have nVidia 8600 GT
[19:41] <o0Chris0o> oic
[19:42] <o0Chris0o> have you tried looking on nVidia's website? they might have driver there for linux
[19:42] <nosrednaekim> at0mix: install the nvidia-glx package
[19:43] <at0mix> i have installed restricted drivers, but i have no way to enable them?
[19:44] <fedenka> hi there guyz
[19:44] <fedenka> i have one problem with sound
[19:44] <fedenka> kubuntu 8.04
[19:44] <fedenka> snd_hda_intel
[19:44] <fedenka> modprobe snd_hda_intel - error
[19:45] <fedenka> cant found module
[19:45] <nosrednaekim> and that problem is?
[19:45] <nosrednaekim> at0mix: edit your xorg.conf... its quite simple
[19:45] <fedenka> it s not workin at all
[19:45] <fedenka> )
[19:45] <elTigre> help! since the last boot I can't play any sound
[19:46] <elTigre> and at least KMix doesn't show anything muted....
[19:46] <J> Hi, I've got an ACER Aspire 2020 that's having some problems with 8.10 (KDE 3) that's been upgraded to from 7.10.  Log out and shutdown don't work, it just hangs (well, for at least 15 mins which is as long as I left it).  I've tried acpi=force and reboot=b neither helped.  This wasn't an issue under 7.10.  Help?
[19:46] <fedenka> +1024 same problem with sound
[19:46] <fedenka> to eltigra
[19:46] <fedenka> )
[19:46] <RurouniJones> hrruuuaagh, now my system is stuck in half-japanese despite the fact I removed it from the languages and even uninstalled the freaking language pack
[19:46] <fedenka> no mixers in kmix
[19:46] <zorglu_> q. how fact are the .deb server currently ? still redhot ?
[19:47] <nosrednaekim> J: thats got an ATI, no?
[19:47] <J> nosrednaekim: think so, just a sec...
[19:47] <nosrednaekim> zorglu_: US severs are pretty fast now
[19:47] <fedenka> nosrednaekim, so can you help m?
[19:47] <zorglu_> nosrednaekim: ok thanks
[19:48] <J> nosrednaekim: VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10]
[19:48] <o0Chris0o> !patience
[19:48] <nosrednaekim> J: and you installed the ATI restricted driver?
[19:48] <soon> Hi folks - just ran the update from 7.10 to 8.04. Worked fine, but when I enable the nvidia driver it hangs at boot (rc.local something or other). If I revert to driver "nv" in xorg.conf - it works again ---- any ideas??
[19:48] <elTigre> fedenka: did you get any answer here, yet?
[19:48] <nosrednaekim> soon: did you install an nvidia driver manually, or with envy in 7.10?
[19:49] <J> nosrednaekim: is that in the kubuntu-restricted-extras package?
[19:49] <nosrednaekim> elTigre: did you just install a new kernel?
[19:49] <fedenka> no((
[19:49] <fedenka> oh
[19:49] <fedenka> 2 hours minus
[19:49] <fedenka> )
[19:49] <elTigre> nosrednaekim: not conciously
[19:49] <nosrednaekim> J: no... its the xorg-driver-fglrx .... check if thats installed
[19:49] <elTigre> I might have
[19:49] <fedenka> but, you right
[19:49] <fedenka> hey there some one have trouble with ati?
[19:49] <fedenka> i can help
[19:49] <fedenka> )
[19:49] <nosrednaekim> elTigre:  do you have more than two kernels in your grub boot loader?
[19:50] <elTigre> yes
[19:50] <fedenka> one kernel
[19:50] <fedenka> )
[19:50] <zorglu_> installing thru virtualbox :) this virtual thing is really nice :)
[19:50] <nosrednaekim> elTigre: try booting the old one
[19:50] <fedenka> apt-get install fglrx - sucks
[19:50] <elTigre> hm, don't know... I always used this one
[19:50] <J> nosrednaekim: installed and latest
[19:50] <fedenka> it easier to install it by hands
[19:50] <soon> nosrednaekim - i dont remember - probably not manually, but dont know
[19:50] <nosrednaekim> J: ok, then let me find that bug... you need to edit a config file by hand... not hard, and it should fix your problem
[19:51] <elTigre> well, then... I think I have to try that.... I will report back if that won't work...
[19:51] <J> nosrednaekim: thanks - I've been searching launchpad but... sigh :)
[19:51] <fedenka> nosrednaekim
[19:51] <fedenka> can you help me?
[19:51] <nosrednaekim> J: here ya go https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/+bug/118605/
[19:52] <J> nosrednaekim: many thanks.
[19:52] <zorglu_> !ask | fedenka
[19:52] <nosrednaekim> fedenka: I don't know...i'm not too good with sound issues. fedenkawas it working beforein 8.04?
[19:52] <zorglu_> well not that suitable but close :)
[19:52] <J> nosrednaekim: most appreciated :)  Saves me reinstalling all!
[19:52] <fedenka> yes it works with 7 10
[19:53] <nosrednaekim> fedenka: but when you upgraded, it stopped (or are you still on 7.10)
[19:53] <fedenka> 8 04
[19:53] <fedenka> yes
[19:53] <fedenka> exactly
[19:53] <fedenka> but last time i installed 8 04 everything works great
[19:54] <fedenka> (i installed 8 04, then formatted hdd, and after again install 8 04)
[19:54] <nosrednaekim> fedenka: thats weird.
[19:54] <RurouniJones> Has anyone else noticed a bug whereby if you install the Japanese language pack and DONT have US english added as a language (for example you only have british english added) Then half the system goes Japanese?
[19:54] <fedenka> yes
[19:54] <sparr__> since upgrading to hardy, my audio volume is much lower.  ive maxxed every control in alsamixer and it is still much lower than it used to be.  what can i try next?
[19:54] <nosrednaekim> !sound
[19:55] <sparr__> nosrednaekim: those seem less than relevant
[19:55] <fedenka> rurounijones, search in adept manager, keyword is kde
[19:56] <nosrednaekim> sparr__: right click on kmix and make sure all the channels are enabled
[19:56] <nosrednaekim> on the kmix window itself
[19:58] <sparr__> nosrednaekim: im not using kmix
[19:58] <elTigre> nosrednaekim: didn't work...
[19:59] <elTigre> still no sound
[19:59] <nosrednaekim> sparr__: what are you using?
[20:00] <nosrednaekim> elTigre: ok.... then try this K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System->hardware->driver->Advanced Linux Sound Architecture
[20:00] <Ketrel> I'm having a major problem with connecting to wifi.  When I try to connec it get to 57% "Activation stage: IP configuration started"
[20:01] <nosrednaekim> err... not driver.... "device"
[20:01] <Ketrel> If I spam ifconfig, I find that I sometimes will get an IP, but either way, it then fails.
[20:01] <sparr__> nosrednaekim: alsamixer
[20:01] <sparr__> nosrednaekim: and all playback channels are enabled, unmuted, and at max volume
[20:01] <nosrednaekim> Ketrel: sounds like typical knetworkmanager non-sense... does this AP have encryption?
[20:02] <elTigre> nosrednaekim: sorry, I have kde4
[20:02] <nosrednaekim> sparr__: ok.... I know nothing about sound,.... you could go to #alsa
[20:02] <Ketrel> nosrednaekim, this particular one does not.
[20:02] <J> nosrednaekim: patched.  Rebooting - I'll let you know if it worked soon.
[20:02] <nosrednaekim> elTigre: ah ok :)
[20:02] <Riddell> ken's artwork talk on now in #ubuntu-classroom
[20:02] <nosrednaekim> Ketrel: ok,lets do some command line stuff then
[20:02] <_sourcemaker> how can I open a VPN connection in virtualbox windows XP... using NAT? I receive the message that the server is not available... but it is?
[20:02] <elTigre> I haven't yet found where to select alsa
[20:03] <Ketrel> nosrednaekim are you going to direct me (I'm not familiar with any networking via cli)
[20:03] <nosrednaekim> elTigre: yah.. its not in kde4, sorry... let me check something
[20:03] <nosrednaekim> Ketrel: yeah.. get the name of the ESSID (the network name)
[20:03] <Ketrel> I got that (if you want to know it's @kun3t )
[20:03] <elTigre> in the backend's tab I have "Audiodevices" but nothing is listed there
[20:05] <nosrednaekim> Ketrel:  now, from running "iwconfig" find the logical name of your network device (should be eth1, wlan0 or ath0)
[20:05] <Ketrel> I know that much already, it's eth1
[20:05] <Ketrel> eth0 is my wired, eth1 is wifi
[20:05] <elTigre> hm now I have sound
[20:05] <elTigre> strange...
[20:05] <elTigre>  ^ ^
[20:06] <nosrednaekim> elTigre: XD
[20:06] <nosrednaekim> Ketrel: ok... now run this command "sudo iwconfig eth1 ESSID @kun3t"
[20:07] <at0mix> installed nvidia-glx but still not working
[20:07] <nosrednaekim> at0mix: and modified your xorg.conf?
[20:07] <at0mix> not sure what to change there
[20:08] <Ketrel> nosrednaekim, doing so now (but for the record, if it had a wep key, how would I include that?)
[20:08] <nosrednaekim> at0mix: ok, under the "Device".... put the line "Driver     "nvidia""
[20:08] <at0mix> ok, will give that a shot!
[20:08] <nosrednaekim> Ketrel: add "-key theverylongandsecurekeyhere"
[20:09] <Ketrel> nosrednaekim and I ran that command, it seems to have just run and done nothing else (no output)
[20:09] <DaemonLee> Question: What's the benefit between picking the AMD64 ISO and the i386? I have a AMD Turion x2 system here.
[20:10] <nosrednaekim> Ketrel: thats fine.... not run "sudo dhclient eth1"
[20:10] <nosrednaekim> *now
[20:10] <nosrednaekim> DaemonLee: how much ram do you have?
[20:10] <DaemonLee> 2gb
[20:11] <zorglu_> the 8.04 logout popup is still bugged :)
[20:11] <J> nosrednaekim: that worked.  If you are ever in Nottingham (UK) I owe you a pint of your choice.
[20:11] <Ketrel> 4 lines of "DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval" 7, 14, and 10
[20:11] <J> nosrednaekim: thanks
[20:11] <Ketrel> then "No DHCPOFFERS recieved"
[20:11] <nosrednaekim> ok, then i'd go for the i386.... 64 is only really useful for systems with over 3.5GB of ram
[20:11] <nosrednaekim> J: give it to Robin Hood ;)
[20:12] <J> nosrednaekim: na, he's long dead - wouldn't appreciate it!
[20:12] <nosrednaekim> Ketrel: ok, was this working before, and what chipset is it?
[20:12] <nosrednaekim> J: then dump it on the Sheriff :P
[20:12] <Ketrel> It worked this morning, and it's an intel chipset.
[20:12] <DaemonLee> nosrednaekim: You know where I can find a Torrent link for Kubuntu?
[20:12] <RurouniJones> Has anyone got a link to setting up SKIM for Japanese input on either Feisty, Gutsy or Hardy that they have personally had success with?
[20:12] <J> nosrednaekim: lol - but seriously - this was hard to find.  And the help much appreciated :)
[20:12] <nosrednaekim> DaemonLee: yes... off the download link in the topic
[20:13] <nosrednaekim> Ketrel: could be your router than..... could you restart it?
[20:13] <nosrednaekim> J: you are welcome... I love the guy who made that fix too (certainly wasn't me!)
[20:13] <Ketrel> This particular one is my schools, I've had it happen with my home one, and it's never helped to restart it
[20:14] <nosrednaekim> how did you fix it that time?
[20:15] <at0mix> changed xorg.conf, no luck, black screen
[20:15] <Ketrel> with about 50 reboots, it finally started working (all the while my 3 windows laptops would happily connect and disconnect)
[20:16] <nosrednaekim> at0mix: black screen?
[20:16] <nosrednaekim> at0mix: go into recovery mode...
[20:16] <at0mix> yup, xserver would not start
[20:16] <at0mix> i did
[20:16] <Ketrel> Also, I should mention that I never had this problem in gutsy :\
[20:16] <nosrednaekim> at0mix: edit that line back out?
[20:17] <at0mix> i did, i have x running again
[20:17] <at0mix> i had all this working fine under gutsy
[20:18] <nosrednaekim> alrighty...... can you pastebin your xorg.conf WITH the change that you made?
[20:18] <nosrednaekim> (before you erased it)
[20:19] <at0mix> i can try
[20:23] <lmg> Hi
[20:24] <lmg> I am trying to run kde4 on kubuntu hardy
[20:24] <lmg> And it didn't really work...
[20:24] <nosrednaekim> lmg: what didn't work?
[20:24] <lmg> using sudo aptitude install kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[20:24] <at0mix> it does want me to paste?
[20:24] <nosrednaekim> !pastebin
[20:24] <lmg> it install it and change nothing
[20:25] <at0mix> ah, ok
[20:25] <nosrednaekim> lmg: it will now be an option on the login screen... there is a button that you can use to select which DE you want ot use
[20:25] <felipe__> Sorry can anybody help me to configure my ATI Xpress 200 ? I have Kubuntu Hardy heron ...
[20:25] <lmg> no no there is no option
[20:27] <nosrednaekim> lmg: did you click the button?
[20:27] <nosrednaekim> felipe__: sure... whats wrong with it?
[20:27] <lmg> yes I did
[20:27] <lmg> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9005/
[20:27] <felipe__> nosrednaekim: I don`t know to do it...
[20:28] <felipe__> I`m noob in this Linux World
[20:28] <nosrednaekim> felipe__: so you want to install the driver>
[20:28] <at0mix>  ok, here it is http://pastebin.com/de5f035e
[20:28] <felipe__> yes i want to install the driver for the ATI Xpress 200
[20:29] <lmg> nosrednaekim: is there any problem?
[20:29] <nosrednaekim> lmg: ooo, not good. run "sudo apt-get update" and the try installing it again
[20:29] <lmg> ok
[20:29] <lmg> not aptitude?
[20:29] <lmg> apt-get?
[20:30] <felipe__> nosrednaekim: yes i want to install the driver for the ATI Xpress 200
[20:30] <lmg> Is apt-get better than aptitude?
[20:30] <nosrednaekim> lmg: it doesn't matter :P
[20:30] <BluesKaj> felipe_, nosrednaekim , the driver should be an option that pops up after the hardy install reboot , it'll show up in the panel  like a circuit board icon
[20:30] <lmg> ok
[20:30] <pteague> anybody have any idea why i'm getting 2 popups when i insert a cd or dvd?
[20:30] <Ketrel> so is there anything else I can try?
[20:30] <Kr|ptiX> i updated to 8.04 an my sound isnt work
[20:30] <Kr|ptiX> workn*
[20:31] <felipe__> BluesKaj: i can see it
[20:31] <felipe__> :)
[20:31] <felipe__> But show me "Not in use"
[20:31] <BluesKaj> felipe_ click on it and follow the instructions
[20:31] <nosrednaekim> felipe__: then enter admin mode and enable it
[20:31] <felipe__> ok BluesKaj
[20:31] <Kr|ptiX> !sound
[20:31] <felipe__> Tell me ...
[20:32] <BluesKaj> yes felipe_ do as nosrednaekim says
[20:32] <nosrednaekim> at0mix: seems ok..., I don't know
[20:32] <felipe__> nosrednaekim: Where ?
[20:33] <at0mix> thanks for your help !! <nosrednaekim>
[20:33] <nosrednaekim> felipe__ in that driver manager
[20:33] <nosrednaekim> at0mix: meh... didn't do anything.. its not fixed
[20:33] <felipe__> ok nosrednaekim i can see
[20:33] <felipe__> :D
[20:33] <BluesKaj> felipe_ there will be a box saying "Administrator Mode"
[20:34] <pteague> any idea which logger i should keep active? klogd or sysklogd?
[20:34] <fenix> hola
[20:35] <nosrednaekim> helloo fenix
[20:36] <fenix> nosrednaekim: do u know how can i auto mount usb disck _
[20:36] <nosrednaekim> fenix: should happen automagically
[20:36] <nosrednaekim> !automount
[20:37] <felipe__> nosrednaekim: i´m installing the driver
[20:37] <nosrednaekim> fenix: if not... it may not be detected properly, check what dmesg says aftr plugging it in
[20:37] <nosrednaekim> felipe__: reboot
[20:37] <fenix> ok tnks nosrednaekim
[20:37] <felipe__> ok nosrednaekim
[20:39] <Ketrel> nosrednaekim, any other things you can think of for me to try?
[20:39] <nosrednaekim> Ketrel: try turning off your laptop, and pulling the battery out
[20:39] <nosrednaekim> and AC adapter of course
[20:40] <NoiseKiller> why is my fonts like 5pt instead of ordinary 10 or 12? my eyes.... 8-)
[20:40] <nosrednaekim> NoiseKiller: adjust them :)
[20:40] <felipe__> nosrednaekim: i`m back
[20:41] <nosrednaekim> felipe__: did that work?
[20:41] <felipe__> yes i have video
[20:41] <Ketrel> nosrednaekim: made no difference :(
[20:41] <felipe__> but i can`t see the configuration panel for my ATI video card
[20:41] <NoiseKiller> nosrednaekim. how adjust?
[20:41] <nosrednaekim> Ketrel: keep the batter out for like 5 minutes
[20:41] <blkhtbrigade> I'm having trouble rebuilding a module.   I've got the module all ready to make, but when I run make it only outputs the .o and not the .ko.  modpost is showing but doesn't seem to want to convert to .ko =/   any ideas?
[20:41] <felipe__> nosrednaekim:  but i can`t see the configuration panel for my ATI video card
[20:42] <nosrednaekim> NoiseKiller: systemsettings->appearance->fonts
[20:42] <NoiseKiller> nosrednaekim: it came with compiz. :)
[20:42] <nosrednaekim> !find fglrx
[20:42] <nosrednaekim> felipe__: grab the "fglrx-control" package
[20:42] <felipe__> ok
[20:43] <NoiseKiller> nosrednaekim. worked... but wde crasched. :)
[20:43] <felipe__> nosrednaekim: installing ...
[20:43] <nosrednaekim> wde?
[20:45] <BluesKaj> dunno whay he wants the ATI control Panel ...it does do much except screw things up IME
[20:45] <BluesKaj> doesn't
[20:45] <LamerMan> guys, is img file just a raw data from floppy or has it some other specific format? Will i get img by "cat /dev/fd0"?
[20:45] <pteague> ok, i think i know why i'm getting 2 popups when i insert a movie dvd or a blank cd, etc...  the other day i updated the gnome packages & it's apparently reset a bunch of defaults including re-adding gdm to the startup services (how you start both kdm & gdm without giving a different screen i don't know)
[20:46] <BluesKaj> *.img is a type of iso image file
[20:46] <LamerMan> BluesKaj so it's not just raw data from the disk, right?
[20:48] <BluesKaj> LamerMan, dunno for sure
[20:48] <xenol> hello, can anyone help me with how to unrar one rar, which is splited into few rars?
[20:48] <SlimeyPete> just unrar the first rar
[20:49] <SlimeyPete> the rest should be picked up automatically
[20:49] <nixternal> #ubuntu-classroom - Ubuntu Open Week is going on right now, and in roughly 10 minutes, I will be presenting KDE 4! Come one, come all!
[20:49] <squid0>  hi. just installed hardy, and pulseaudio wasn't installed. I just installed the packages via synaptic, but I'm not sure how to set it up. Can someone help please?
[20:50] <xenol> SlimeyPete: also forgot to tell its with password, but ark cant open it :>
[20:50] <nosrednaekim> squid0: this is the kubuntu channel, for GNOMe/ubuntu/Pulse go to #ubuntu
[20:50] <BluesKaj> nixternal, I'm there
[20:50] <nixternal> rock on!
[20:51] <squid0> nosrednaekim: isn't pulseaudio in kubuntu?
[20:51] <SlimeyPete> xenol: not sure about passwords, sorry
[20:51] <nosrednaekim> squid0: no
[20:51] <__sourcemaker> how can I install vmware server on kubuntu hardy... it does not work!
[20:51] <__sourcemaker> there seems a kernel problem...
[20:51] <squid0> nosrednaekim: ah. any way of installing it in kubuntu?
[20:51] <nosrednaekim> squid0: why would you want to?
[20:52] <squid0> nosrednaekim: I work with music recording and jack, and I'd like to route all sound through pulse. and it sounds pretty cool, I'd like to try it out
[20:52] <__sourcemaker> as fallback of vmware server... I try virtualbox now... but I can't open windows vpn connection...
[20:52] <xenol> SlimeyPete: password aint my problem, problem is ark says error occured in rar
[20:53] <nosrednaekim> squid0: ok... yes you can I guess, just don't know how to do ti. :P
[20:53] <at0mix> nosrednaekim: x says it cant load glx? no compatiable nvidia driver found. I installed the nvidia-glx pkg any thoughts?
[20:53] <SlimeyPete> xenol: use unrar from a terminal?
[20:53] <squid0> nosrednaekim: ah :)
[20:53] <nosrednaekim> at0mix: what card di you say you had? geforce4
[20:53] <nosrednaekim> ?
[20:53] <at0mix> ark wont do passowrds, go to terminal and rar x blah.rar
[20:54] <at0mix> yest geforce4
[20:54] <nosrednaekim> at0mix: ok, then that apckage should work... I don't know why it isn't
[20:54] <at0mix> oops , yes geforce 4
[20:54] <xenol> SlimeyPete: gives me only list of avaliable prefixes and do nothing
[20:54] <nosrednaekim> sorry :(
[20:54] <at0mix> hmm, thanks again
[20:55] <yotuto> hola amigos
[20:55] <genii> Any way to get knetworkmanager to show for instance if I'm I'm using 802.11a,b,g or n ?
[20:57] <genii> I know right-click and hover on current active shows it, can it be made to show it on regular hover of the icon in the tray?
[20:57] <nosrednaekim> genii: if you hack the code..i'm sure:P
[20:57] <felipe__> nosrednaekim:
[20:58] <felipe__> fglrx-control installed :D
[20:58] <nosrednaekim> BRB
[20:58] <genii> nosrednaekim: Thats what I suspected.... thanks
[20:58]  * nosrednaekim hugs his iwconfig
[20:59] <felipe__> nosrednaekim: i got a 311 FPS in a fgl_glxgears
[21:01] <Riddell> KDE 4 talk in #ubuntu-classroom in a minute!
[21:01] <Ubter> hi, can anyone help me?
[21:01] <Ubter> I am fairly new to ubuntu
[21:01] <Ubter> coming from Fedora
[21:01] <BluesKaj> Ubter , just ask :)
[21:02] <Ubter> I want to use alien to convert an rpm for a 32 bit program, but I am using a 64 bit Kubuntu and it is failing with an error
[21:02] <nosrednaekim> felipe__: thats ok I guess :)
[21:02] <nosrednaekim> Ubter: what program?
[21:02] <Ubter> amd64' does not appear in package's architecture list (i386)
[21:02] <Ubter> maya
[21:02] <felipe__> nosrednaekim: Thanks  man :D
[21:02] <arjuna> algun canal en español para kubuntu?
[21:02] <Ubter> It is a 3d software package
[21:03] <felipe__> arjuna: kubuntu-es
[21:03] <Ubter> I already have it runing in fedora
[21:03] <felipe__> :D
[21:03] <felipe__> #kubuntu-es
[21:03] <__sourcemaker> why are there so many problems in the current hardy relase?
[21:03] <arjuna> gracias felipe
[21:04] <Ubter> actually I am having trouble installing 32 bit software all together on this
[21:04] <Ubter> I couldn't install Opera either
[21:04] <__sourcemaker> I have a lot of problems with hardy... it's a fresh clean install... but gusty works better... really better !!!
[21:04] <Ketrel> same problem with now that battery was pulled :(
[21:04] <sparr__> what provides the file browser for firefox in kde?  when firefox does 'open file' or 'save as'
[21:05] <Ubter> afk one moment
[21:06] <nosrednaekim> Ketrel: thats odd... is your wireless swtich on?
[21:07] <lmg> nosrednaekim: ok it works but I don't really see the interest of kde4
[21:07] <lmg> its beautifull but that's all
[21:08] <lmg> there is no more option in control panel for task bar
[21:08] <nosrednaekim> yep... its beautiful.. and faster
[21:08] <lmg> widgets are beautifull, yeah that's all foks
[21:09] <lmg> :)
[21:10] <Ketrel> nosrednaekim absolutely.  I have no idea what's wrong, it never stopped working for this long :(
[21:21] <arjuna> error checking root file system
[21:21] <arjuna> como lo soluciono
[21:22] <_myrtille_> !es
[21:22] <arjuna> thank you
[21:23] <_sourcemaker> how can i disable martian source and ll header checks?
[21:24] <spanther> is there a clone of the commercial valve steam game Defcon ?
[21:24] <uga> good afternoon guys... I got a box (not mine) migrated from windows to kubuntu successfully, but I ahd a small problem with it
[21:25] <uga> it seems their ISP needs stablishing a VPN connection (it's prepaid connection)
[21:25] <uga> how does one configure a virtual priv. network on *buntu/linux?
[21:25] <uga> I've done so on winders, but never on linux
[21:26] <_sourcemaker> uga: cool... I have the same problem without success
[21:26] <uga> I was able to ping the net, dns worked fine etc
[21:26] <uga> just they need a vpn established first
[21:26] <uga> and it's not a proxy from what I saw, it's a real vpn
[21:27] <will00> ey im wondering, is there a way of installing windows video drivers in kubuntu?
[21:28] <uga> will00: apt-get install w32codecs or so, yes
[21:28] <uga> or w64codecs for win64 boxes
[21:28] <uga> !codecs
[21:28] <Ketrel> I give up :(
[21:28] <uga> I wonder if this is what they do http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-configure-ubuntu-fedora-linux-pptp-client.html
[21:29] <RurouniJones> uga, sounds like you need more info on what VPN software the ISP is using
[21:30] <Nyad> Hi. I have some movies in ISO9660 format. How do I play them in kubuntu without writing them to CD?
[21:30] <will00> arent w32codecs for video files?
[21:30] <uga> RurouniJones: that's what I'm digging now, what sort of vpn it is. It must be some microsoft standard though, since they ask you to configure it through the control panel of windows
[21:30] <Faust-C> will00, for everything
[21:30] <will00> ok
[21:30] <RurouniJones> Microsoft "Standard"...good luck :)
[21:30] <Faust-C> mp3, avi, rm, and so forth
[21:31] <will00> faust-c so no video card drivers?
[21:31] <Faust-C> not really MS standard just propriotary formats
[21:31] <uga> will00: oh, hardware drivers, not codecs?
[21:31] <Faust-C> will00, uh no
[21:31] <Faust-C> will00, what vid card
[21:31] <uga> will00: you need linux drivers I'm afraid. nvidia and ati provide those
[21:31] <will00> im using a sis 662
[21:31] <uga> and afaik there's intel ones too, then there's S3 ones too...
[21:31] <Nyad> Hi. I have some movies in ISO9660 format. How do I play them in kubuntu without writing them to CD?
[21:32] <Faust-C> Nyad, mount them and play?
[21:32] <will00> but there isnt a linux driver for it, could i use the windows one with ndiswrapper?
[21:32] <Faust-C> will00, lol
[21:32] <Faust-C> will00, what vid card
[21:32] <Faust-C> you still havent answered that
[21:32] <Nyad> Faust-C: How do I mount them? the same way I mount a hardrive?
[21:32] <Nyad> ]
[21:32] <Faust-C> Nyad, google mount ISO linux
[21:33] <Faust-C> actually google mount ISO ubuntu and it will show you
[21:33] <will00> faust-c its an embedded SiS Mirage1 Graphics
[21:33] <uga> RurouniJones: okay, found something, a guy was told (he was having trouble) by the ISP that it's pptp protocol vpn
[21:33] <Faust-C> will00, the default one for X should work fine
[21:33] <uga> without ciphering
[21:33] <will00> faust-c, it does, but i get all these wierd vertical lines in the screen
[21:34] <Faust-C> will00, X -configure
[21:34] <Faust-C> or was it X -config
[21:34] <uga> RurouniJones: seems possible at least, now I have to figure out the how-to
[21:35] <uga> yepeee! =)
[21:35] <Faust-C> will00, your vid card can work w/ generic drivers
[21:35] <RurouniJones> uga, I have never used it but: pptp-linux, network-manager-pptp, pptp
[21:35] <Faust-C> will00, you just need to learn to do it yourself
[21:35] <uga> RurouniJones: ah, you rock
[21:35] <RurouniJones> those seem to be the packages you want
[21:35] <uga> yes, sound like so
[21:35] <uga> thanks
[21:35] <will00> iv tried the generic drivers and it either destroys x or results in the same issue
[21:36] <o0Chris0o> how do I make sure deKorator is installed and running?
[21:36] <nappingfirefox> hi
[21:36] <nappingfirefox> italian?
[21:37] <Faust-C> will00, ive had some pretty crappy systems and managed to get them to work fine
[21:37] <_myrtille_> !it
[21:37] <Faust-C> will00, just takes a lil reading
[21:37] <nappingfirefox> grazie... sono newbie
[21:37] <o0Chris0o> !newbie
[21:37] <will00> faust-c, i know, im on install 8 and day 3
[21:37] <o0Chris0o> !noob
[21:37] <sisif> Hello guys. Can somebody please help me with some module issues: I`m trying to blacklist ndiswrapper from autoloading at boot time. So I remove it from /etc/modules and also added it to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist . But it is still loading . Any advice an what I should do next ?
[21:38] <RurouniJones> Good luck uga
[21:38] <Faust-C> will00, sec
[21:38] <Faust-C> will00, btw why would you want graphics on a small system like that
[21:38] <uga> RurouniJones: the hardest part is configuring it while you have no network for digging for info
[21:39] <will00> faust-c im using it as a internet kiosk for my business
[21:39] <uga> I wonder if those debs are included in the CD. I may just download them to a pen drive...
[21:39] <Nyad> is it possible to install DE's other than XFce and Gnome and KDE on ubuntu distro?
[21:39] <Faust-C> will00, should have gotten something a lil more extendable ....
[21:39] <Faust-C> anyways brb
[21:39] <Odd-rationale> Nyad: yes
[21:39] <o0Chris0o> how do I make sure deKorator is installed and running?
[21:40] <Odd-rationale> Nyad: just install the respective ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop, or xubuntu-desktop meta-packgae as needed.
[21:41] <Odd-rationale> Nyad: for other de, you can install fluxbox, openbox and a whole host of others.
[21:43] <Nyad> Odd-rationale: I want to not have any of Gnome KDE or XFce]
[21:43] <Nyad> so does ubuntu site have the pckages on their site?
[21:43] <Nyad> or do I have to do from source for each of htem
[21:43] <Nyad> ?
[21:43] <Odd-rationale> Nyad: you can remove them or install a command line system with the alternative cd and just install the de/wm of your choice
[21:44] <Odd-rationale> Nyad: which one are you looking for?
[21:44] <Odd-rationale> Nyad: most are in the repos
[21:44] <stdin> you'd need the server install CD to install a cli system, alternate CD installs a GUI desktop
[21:44] <Odd-rationale> stdin: the alternative cd also includes an option to install a cli
[21:44] <flamingo_> hi,
[21:44] <Odd-rationale> as does the mini.iso
[21:44] <flamingo_> does somebody know an audio editor
[21:45] <Odd-rationale> flamingo_: audacity is good
[21:45] <flamingo_> audacity does not play
[21:45] <flamingo_> the sound
[21:45] <uga> RurouniJones: I'm tempted to pipe all connections through icmps
[21:45] <flamingo_> it says something about the "samplerat" may be a bug???
[21:45] <uga> RurouniJones: they let icmps through without vpn nor payment =)
[21:45] <Odd-rationale> for kde, maybe kdenlive...
[21:45] <flamingo_> could it be?
[21:45] <stdin> Odd-rationale: netboot ftw :)
[21:45] <flamingo_> i use alsa and everything is so complicated
[21:45] <uga> RurouniJones: I read somebody once had tunnelled all packets through icmp8 packets =)
[21:46] <flamingo_> i perhaps change to debian or so
[21:46] <RurouniJones> That is just wrong
[21:46] <uga> so it ought to be not too hard
[21:46] <flamingo_> don't know...
[21:46] <uga> RurouniJones: why so, they just suck at security =)
[21:46] <RurouniJones> So wrong. Besides that guide you linked to looked pretty good. Assuming it worked
[21:46] <flamingo_> i'm really desparate that is does not work.
[21:47] <flamingo_> what is the best to use for the sound card? alsa, oss?
[21:47] <uga> RurouniJones: I don't think you can achieve much bandwidth out of icmp, and you need an external proxy anyway =)
[21:47] <uga> for unpacking the icmps and rerouting
[21:47] <donald__> okay my speakers are plugged in and im not getting sound...power is on and computer volume is up and not muted
[21:47] <uga> RurouniJones: it's theif fault if they haven't thought of those things ;)
[21:47] <uga> it's so obvious
[21:47] <uga> network works out of the box without payment ;)
[21:47] <KWGoD> neone help me with the speaker problems?
[21:47] <uga> it's just http that doesn't
[21:48] <uga> and any tcp port afaik
[21:48] <flamingo_> @kwgod
[21:48] <flamingo_> ->kwgod
[21:48] <flamingo_> whats the problem?
[21:48] <KWGoD> im not getting any sound out of my speakers
[21:48] <uga> RurouniJones: I think it's more wrong that after payment they tell you "we only support windows"
[21:48] <KWGoD> they are on
[21:48] <flamingo_> what u are using?
[21:48] <flamingo_> i have the same problem with audacity
[21:49] <flamingo_> with xmms it does work
[21:49] <flamingo_> what are u using?
[21:49] <KWGoD> to be honest i have no clue
[21:49] <KWGoD> my friend built this comp for me and im still getting used to kubuntu
[21:50] <nosrednaekim> KWGoD: well, #1, your freind could probably give you better helpthan we can
[21:50] <KWGoD> he told me to come here cuz hes busy atm
[21:50] <RurouniJones> uga, Windows = PCs, everyone knows that
[21:50] <RurouniJones> Mind you, an ISP that requires PPTP tunneling sounds dodgy to start with
[21:53] <KWGoD> its giving me a hard time
[21:53] <uga> RurouniJones: it is
[21:53] <o0Chris0o> why do kde theming got to be so difficult
[21:53] <uga> RurouniJones: nto sure but I think they use that for prepaid connectiosn
[21:53] <KWGoD> where would i check system info? like what im running?
[21:54] <uga> users buy hours of connection
[21:54] <uga> I guess they use the vpn connection to count for connection time
[21:54] <RurouniJones> aaah, uh, which country is this ISP in?
[21:54] <uga> the user is connected to the internet anyway, just icmps and udp frames are forwarded (dns and ping work)
[21:54] <uga> RurouniJones: spain
[21:55] <RurouniJones> Sounds like a very....unique setup they have there
[21:55] <uga> RurouniJones: heh, possibly =)
[21:55] <uga> I'm really tempted to test a UDP tunnel
[21:55] <uga> it'd be so easy if ssh could work over UDP ;))
[21:56] <uga> at least I could have internet while I do the setup
[21:56] <uga> put a tunnel through my home computer, using my pc as gateway
[21:56] <o0Chris0o> I disbaled Compiz, and lost my title bars, have no idea what happen, can someone help me out?
[21:57] <Ubter> I want to use alien to convert an rpm for a 32 bit program, but I am using a 64 bit Kubuntu and it is failing with an error
[21:57] <fdoving> o0Chris0o: alt+f2 'kwin --replace'
[21:57] <uga> o0Chris0o: you were possibly using the compiz window decoration. Just enter a tty, and type in... export DISPLAY=:0, kwin &
[21:57] <uga> fdoving: if alt+f2 works yes
[21:57] <Ubter> amd64' does not appear in package's architecture list (i386)
[21:57] <fdoving> uga: it should in kde3.
[21:57] <uga> fdoving: notice he doesn't have a window manager
[21:57] <uga> fdoving: he may not be able to focus on the minicli
[21:58] <uga> I had that happenning a while ago ;)
[21:58] <Ubter> how to install 32bit ap in 8.04
[21:58] <fdoving> uga: he can copy and paste from the irc window with the mouse, wihtout actually moving the focus around
[21:58] <uga> fdoving: ah heh, nice trick ;)
[21:59] <uga> Ubter: exactly like in previous versions
[21:59] <Ubter> I am coming from fedora
[21:59] <Ubter> I was going off instructions I found on ubuntu forums
[21:59] <Ubter> but they are failing with that error
[22:00] <uga> Ubter: you need to have 32bit compat libraries installed, but other than that, just force architecture
[22:00] <uga> in dpkg
[22:00] <o0Chris0o> fdoving kwin --replace didnt' work
[22:00] <Ubter> I didn't see any option for that in the man pages for alien
[22:00] <o0Chris0o> uga tty?
[22:00] <uga> Ubter: try dpkg --force-help
[22:00] <uga> that will show you what you can force (ignore)
[22:00] <uga> including the architecture
[22:00] <KWGoD> where do i dl new themes?
[22:00] <Ubter> thats the prob, I only have a rpm
[22:00] <o0Chris0o> !themes
[22:00] <fdoving> o0Chris0o: you are in kde, rihgt?
[22:00] <uga> o0Chris0o: terminal mode
[22:00] <uga> ctrl+alt+f1
[22:00] <Ubter> I can't convert to deb
[22:01] <phoenix> How do you go about installing the nvidia binary drivers on 8.04? The restricted drivers manager isn't doing anything.
[22:01] <o0Chris0o> fdoving yes kde 3.5
[22:01] <o0Chris0o> uga alright so type  export DISPLAY=:0, kwin & in terminal?
[22:02] <phoenix> Well, now it's doing it, that was really strange
[22:02] <will00> im getting an error sayin that "C compiler cannot create executables" how do i fix that?
[22:02] <uga> phoenix: first download the driver installer from nvidia.com, then remove anything related to restricted. you need to stop X for installing. as root, /etc/init.d/kdm stop. in the terminal, login and chmod a+x NVIDIAfoo... (the installer).run and execute it
[22:02] <fdoving> will00: install the package named 'build-essential'
[22:02] <will00> ok
[22:02] <phoenix> three times the driver manager does nothing, I ask on irc and it starts installing.
[22:02] <o0Chris0o> didn't work either
[22:03] <uga> o0Chris0o: yes, that will start a new window manager
[22:03] <uga> o0Chris0o: oh?
[22:03] <uga> o0Chris0o: first export part <return>
[22:03] <uga> then kwin part <return>
[22:03] <KWGoD> and can anyone help me with my speaker problem
[22:03] <phoenix> thanks uga, but it just worked.
[22:04]  * phoenix ponders the little bugs he's seen so far in 8.04 and wonders if he misread that this was an lts release.
[22:04] <uga> phoenix: be careful with those drivers. they tend to be annoyign sometimes. they will load earlier than other drivers you install yourself ,unless completely unisntalled properly
[22:05] <o0Chris0o> uga, I opened new tty and did it, it said done, still no title bars
[22:05] <phoenix> Heh, I had it trying to load nvidia drivers three times before I did a clean install for my upgrade since the dist-upgrade broke it.
[22:06] <uga> o0Chris0o: no errors either?
[22:06] <uga> it should show some error
[22:06] <uga> o0Chris0o: [foo ]done means it exits
[22:06] <uga> that's strange
[22:06] <phoenix> seemd to work fine though so I never bothered fidling with the init scripts, especially since kubuntu's init scripts seem rather convoluted to me
[22:06] <KR-data> ok I upgraded both kubuntu and KDE, but it seems like something as basic as the input-driver for the mouse dies after a while. Any ideas on what to do?
[22:07] <phoenix> Anyways, restart time, crossing fingers for the drivers to run properly.
[22:07] <o0Chris0o> it says "export DISPLAY=:0, kwin &
[22:07] <o0Chris0o> chris@chris-desktop:~$ export DISPLAY=:0, kwin &
[22:07] <o0Chris0o> [1] 6658
[22:07] <o0Chris0o> [1]+  Done                    export DISPLAY=:0, kwin
[22:07] <uga> nononono
[22:07] <uga> nononono
[22:07] <uga> ==)
[22:07] <uga> why do people read litterally rather than interpret what I type =)
[22:07] <uga> o0Chris0o:
[22:07] <uga> export DISPLAY=:0 <RETURN>
[22:07] <uga> PRESS RETURN THERE
[22:08] <uga> DON'T TYPE RETURN
[22:08] <uga> =)
[22:08] <uga> then kwin & <RETURN>
[22:08] <KR-data> sometimes it goes back online after I unplug and replug my secondary mouse. But that isn't good enough
[22:08] <KWGoD> okay...someone needs to help me with the sound problem
[22:08] <o0Chris0o> alright
[22:08] <uga> =)
[22:09] <Ubter> anyone here use Maya in Ubuntu 64
[22:09] <o0Chris0o> ug : I get this export DISPLAY=:0 <RETURN>
[22:09] <KWGoD> my speakers are plugged in, turned on, and the volume on my comp is up and not muted and im not getting any sound
[22:09] <KR-data> any ideas on the mouse problem would be very very appreciated, even if it is vague
[22:09] <o0Chris0o> errr
[22:09] <uga> o0Chris0o: now yes, right?
[22:09] <o0Chris0o> this : bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[22:09] <KWGoD> anyone help?
[22:10] <uga> o0Chris0o: in which line
[22:10] <uga> export one, or the kwin one
[22:10] <nosrednaekim> KWGoD: did you try restarting the sound system?
[22:10] <KWGoD> how?
[22:10] <o0Chris0o> !sound | KWGoD
[22:10] <uga> oh my...
[22:11] <uga> o0Chris0o: damn, read my lips, DON'T TYPE "R E T U R N"
[22:11] <KR-data> o0Chris0o, I might be strange, but isn't it a good idea to make sure alsa or oss works first
[22:11] <uga> press the "RETURN" KEY
[22:11] <uga> uga@dpcuga:~$ DISPLAY=:0 <RETURN>
[22:11] <uga> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[22:11] <uga> thtat's what you did, right? =)
[22:11] <o0Chris0o> I didn't type returnj
[22:11] <SlimeyPete> nano will put a newline at the end of the file automatically
[22:11] <o0Chris0o> that was a mistake I coped wrong line
[22:12] <o0Chris0o> thats why I said errr
[22:12] <uga> uga@dpcuga:~$ export DISPLAY=:0 <RETURN>
[22:12] <uga> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[22:12] <uga> uga@dpcuga:~$ export DISPLAY=:0
[22:12] <uga> o0Chris0o: look up there
[22:12] <KWGoD> kay its checked and still not working
[22:12] <uga> o0Chris0o: second one works, now you understand what I meant? =)
[22:12] <nosrednaekim> KWGoD: in system settings->sound and multimedia->hardware, set the hardware device to Advanced Linux Sound Architecture and then hit apply again
[22:12] <cdpuk> Anyone know the format of the session name for `dcop --session [sessionName]`?  --list-sessions doesn't seem useful
[22:13] <o0Chris0o> not really, because its still not working
[22:13] <KR-data> anyone who can recommend a good mouse btw.?
[22:13] <nosrednaekim> KR-data: anything made by M$ :)
[22:13] <KR-data> one that fully works with no bugs in kde
[22:14] <o0Chris0o> I am typing "export DISPLAY=:0, kwin & <return> I hit return not typing it
[22:14] <nosrednaekim> and i'm serious here
[22:14] <o0Chris0o> uga
[22:14] <uga> o0Chris0o: two lines, no commas
[22:14] <uga> I told you up there
[22:14] <uga> firs thte display line
[22:14] <uga> then the kwin line
[22:14] <KR-data> nosrednaekim, well I can have a look, though I don't remember seeing anything of interest
[22:14] <uga> it's two operations
[22:14] <KWGoD> its restarting now
[22:14] <zj> bvcbc
[22:15] <KR-data> nosrednaekim, the problem is, I like Logitech... when in Windows. But I seem to have trouble with Logitech in Linux nearly no matter what I do
[22:15] <o0Chris0o> it says done
[22:15] <o0Chris0o> still no title bars though
[22:15] <uga> no error at all?
[22:15] <uga> something is strange
[22:15] <nosrednaekim> I love my logitech joystick and wireless mouse... but multibuttons are a pain to get configured
[22:15] <o0Chris0o> no error
[22:15] <uga> o0Chris0o: just in case, try afterwards "kwin --replace"
[22:16] <uga> a window manager may still be running
[22:16] <uga> if that doesn't fix it, I really cannot tell
[22:16] <KR-data> nosrednaekim, my exact experience
[22:16] <KWGoD> it keeps getting up to 100% and restarting the restart
[22:16] <nosrednaekim> KWGoD: ouch.. thats not good. ok.. kill it
[22:16] <KR-data> nosrednaekim, and the bluetooth one I have no is only trouble
[22:17] <KWGoD> ok now what?
[22:17] <nosrednaekim> KWGoD: now, run this from the command line "sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart"
[22:17] <KWGoD> canceled it
[22:18] <KWGoD> quotations too?
[22:18] <o0Chris0o> nga it says
[22:18] <o0Chris0o> QPainter::begin: Cannot paint null pixmap
[22:18] <o0Chris0o> QPainter::end: Missing begin() or begin() failed
[22:18] <o0Chris0o> uga :)
[22:18] <uga> uhmpf...
[22:18] <uga> I wonder if your Xorg is running on display :0
[22:18] <uga> or :1
[22:18] <uga> why cannot QPainter paint on the device
[22:18] <uga> unless X isnt' running there
[22:19] <o0Chris0o> dunno
[22:19] <KWGoD> ran it and still not getting anything
[22:19] <o0Chris0o> its just getting kinda annoying trying to get a decent theme
[22:20] <nosrednaekim> KWGoD: now go back to that previous step and try setting it to alsa again
[22:21] <o0Chris0o> alright uga, this is what I did I went into CCSM, enabled Window Decoration
[22:21] <o0Chris0o> and command line it says "emerald"
[22:21] <o0Chris0o> and its back
[22:21] <o0Chris0o> but
[22:21] <o0Chris0o> its clear
[22:21] <o0Chris0o> transparent
[22:21] <KWGoD> still nothin
[22:21] <will00> where can i find the xorg-server package?
[22:22] <uga> o0Chris0o: I haven't used compiz for ages, I can't recall what the dialogs looked like
[22:22] <nosrednaekim> KWGoD: does it still loop on restarting the sounds system?
[22:22] <KWGoD> no
[22:22] <uga> o0Chris0o: I code kde, so I run kde4's kwin now
[22:22] <uga> instead of compiz
[22:22] <o0Chris0o> ant to get rid of compiz all together, seems like I am having probs with it
[22:22] <nosrednaekim> KWGoD: well, thats good at least...
[22:22] <o0Chris0o> I just want to be able to use the cube and other animations
[22:22] <KWGoD> where to from there?
[22:22] <nosrednaekim> KWGoD: are you sure the speakers are plugged into the green jack (dumb I know, but gotta make sure)
[22:23] <KWGoD> yeah they are
[22:23] <nosrednaekim> ok... well, I don't have a clue then...
[22:23] <KWGoD> hmmmm
[22:24] <KR-data> KWGoD: tried alsamixer?
[22:24] <KR-data> I know it's vague, but it can give a hint on some errors
[22:24] <KWGoD> im a bit retarded with this so bare with me
[22:24] <KWGoD> alsamixer?
[22:24] <KR-data> run it within konsole
[22:25] <KWGoD> opened konsole
[22:25] <KWGoD> now wut?
[22:25] <KR-data> type: alsamixer
[22:26] <KR-data> then hit return
[22:26] <KWGoD> then?
[22:26] <o0Chris0o> uga does kwin have almost the same effects as compiz?
[22:26] <KR-data> does it open a system to edit volume levels or does it give an error?
[22:26] <KWGoD> i see volume levels
[22:27] <KWGoD> how do i edit them?
[22:27] <KR-data> ok, is it the right soundcard that is listed in the top left corner?
[22:27] <KWGoD> not sure
[22:27] <KWGoD> where do i check system info?
[22:27] <cpk1> KWGoD: up and down arrow keys changes volume, left and right arrow keys selects which device to use
[22:27] <KWGoD> figured that part out thankyou though
[22:27] <KR-data> cpk1, one step ahead of me :p
[22:28] <KR-data> m for mute/unmute
[22:28] <Vermux> which file is the tcp/ip configuration?
[22:29] <KWGoD> LOW AND BEHOLD THOUGH ART LISTEN TO IN FLAMES AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[22:29] <LimCore> how to disable Xgl and 3d effects, and use regular xorg?
[22:29] <KR-data> KWGoD, an q for quit, I can't remember how to check what cards that's set up in the system, but I'll try to find it
[22:29] <KWGoD> *raises fists above his head*
[22:29] <KWGoD> thanyou everyone
[22:30] <KR-data> no problem :)
[22:30] <will00> does anyone know where i can find the xorg-server package?
[22:30] <KWGoD> finally i can listen to all my beautiful metal again
[22:31] <cpk1> Vermux: you mean how to configure your network cards?
[22:31] <KR-data> hehe, I couldn't live without my music :) I understand your headache :)
[22:31] <cpk1> KWGoD: you already have mp3 support?
[22:31] <KR-data> and the joy when it finally works
[22:31] <Vermux> cpk1: yes
[22:32] <stdin> will00: xserver-xorg is the server
[22:32] <Vermux> cpk1: etc/sysconfig?
[22:32] <nosrednaekim> KWGoD: ah... cool :)
[22:32] <cpk1> Vermux: no it would be in /etc/network/interfaces
[22:33] <will00> stdin: im trying to install some video files and it says it cant find the xorg-server file, what should i do?
[22:33] <KR-data> what is the point actually in using arts for your sound?
[22:33] <o0Chris0o> uga you around ?
[22:33] <stdin> will00: what are you trying to install?
[22:34] <Vermux> cpk1: I dont c IP addresses there
[22:34] <will00> im trying to install http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=N&Inst=Yes&ProductID=2873&DwnldID=15443&strOSs=All&OSFullName=All%20Operating%20Systems&lang=eng
[22:35] <stdin> will00: that's unneeded, intel driver is included
[22:36] <cpk1> Vermux: thats because it comes set up to use dhcp by default
[22:37] <Vermux> ok
[22:38] <will00> stdin: that might have just destroyed my xserver
[22:39] <will00> yep its toast
[22:41] <jonathan__> hello and a good evening! :)
[22:41] <KR-data> good evening
[22:41] <KR-data> or I would actually say night :p
[22:42] <jonathan__> i've a question: how can i turn my desktop in a 3D cubic with several workspaces?
[22:42] <jonathan__> :)
[22:42] <o0Chris0o> !cube
[22:42] <nosrednaekim> !compiz
[22:42] <cpk1> Vermux: if you just want to see your ip you can run ifconfig that will output some relevant information
[22:42] <Vermux> cpk1: exactly! thanks
[22:43] <jonathan__> never mind, i found it :)
[22:43] <jonathan__> sorry
[22:43] <jonathan__> have a nice day :D
[22:43] <Maillard> I just upgraded to Kubuntu Hardy from the net. Everything seems to work fine, but i cannot open Adept Manager from the menu. Which is the command to issue from a shell to open it?
[22:44] <SlimeyPete> Maillard: "kdesu adept_manager" I think
[22:44] <Maillard> thanks SlimeyPete  Now i will try from konsole and see what happens
[22:48] <yakuzi> i've a problem: i can only change my wallpaper if i right-click on an image and choose "set as background" it won't change if i choose an otherwallpaper with right-click>configure desktop and then change the wallpaper, anyone has an idea how to solve this?
[22:48] <Maillard> oh my! my problem is likely not adept_manager : if i type in sudo in a shell i get: franz@laptop-new:~$ sudo
[22:48] <Maillard> sudo: unable to resolve host laptop-new
[22:49] <Maillard> never had such a problem in years with linux....
[22:49] <Maillard> can anyone help?
[22:50] <will00> does anyone know a working configruation for a sis 662 graphics card on an embedded intel uitx motherboard?
[22:54] <Maillard> Please help! I just upgraded to Kubuntu Hardy and now I can't issue a sudo command
[22:54] <Maillard> franz@laptop-new:~$ sudo
[22:54] <Maillard> sudo: unable to resolve host laptop-new
[22:55] <Maillard> i did the same upgrade on another computer but i didn't see anything like that (luckily)
[22:56] <psyco> Well if it is a new installation, i'd recommend a reinstall
[22:56] <psyco> or keep looking for a fix...
[22:56] <Daisuke_Ido> Maillard: pastebin your /etc/hosts file
[22:56] <psyco> are any programs that use root open, like adept?
[22:57] <Maillard> ok, Daisuke_Ido  it will take a minute
[22:58] <yakuzi> is there some lock-file that prevents me from changing my wallpaper with the right-click configure desktop thing? and if so, can i trash it so i can change my wallpaper again?
[22:59] <Daisuke_Ido> yakuzi: kde 3 or 4?
[22:59] <yakuzi> kde3
[22:59] <picotron> help - I can not watch dvd on kaffeine on hardy. I already installed libdvdcss2
[22:59] <Daisuke_Ido> not sure then.  i know 4.0.2 had a really annoying bug that would stop that from working
[22:59] <Maillard> Daisuke_Ido, the file is so short (two   lines) that i guess i can post it here:
[22:59] <Maillard> # The "order" line is only used by old versions of the C library.
[22:59] <Maillard> multi off
[23:00] <Daisuke_Ido> that's /etc/hosts ?
[23:00] <yakuzi> well i had the problem before in 7.10 but i forgot how to fix it :s
[23:00] <yakuzi> i alays destroy something in my xorg.conf when i don't have a back-up :s
[23:00] <Maillard> that is /etc/host.conf
[23:00] <Daisuke_Ido> no, /etc/hosts
[23:00] <Maillard> sorry ok
[23:00] <picotron> how can i play dvds on kaffeine?
[23:00] <Daisuke_Ido> different file (should be a little longer than two lines :)
[23:02] <Maillard> Daisuke_Ido, http://pastebin.com/m104d90e3
[23:02] <Daisuke_Ido> and there's the problem right there
[23:03] <picotron> hello, can somebody help me? i cannot play dvds on kaffeine - hardy
[23:03] <Daisuke_Ido> you need to change franz-laptop-new to laptop-new
[23:03] <Maillard> i hope it is one i can solve with your help Daisuke_Ido
[23:03] <Maillard> ok, but...  i need to be root to alter a file in /etc !
[23:04] <Maillard> don't I?
[23:04] <Daisuke_Ido> try kdesudo kate /etc/hosts
[23:04] <BonesolTeraDyne> I though kdesudo depended on sudo...
[23:04] <Maillard> definitely
[23:05] <Daisuke_Ido> i had the same issue (but i'm using gnome and just changed it through networkmanager, i don't know what kde's equivalent is)
[23:05] <Daisuke_Ido> knetworkmanager
[23:05] <Daisuke_Ido> BonesolTeraDyne: if you have an idea how he can get that file edited, i'm all ears
[23:06] <BonesolTeraDyne> Daisuke_Ido: Sadly, I don't. Well, short of going into single user mode through the recovery kernel
[23:06] <BonesolTeraDyne> Or maybe using a LiveCD to somehow get to it.
[23:07] <Daisuke_Ido> that would be my first instinct
[23:08] <Daisuke_Ido> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4832186
[23:08] <Maillard> can't find where to modify that line in Knetworkmanager Daisuke_Ido
[23:09] <Daisuke_Ido> or in system settings perhaps, some network settings area is bound to have a hosts section
[23:09] <Daisuke_Ido> i don't even have kde installed or i'd check it out
[23:09] <Maillard> but anywhere it is it will require beeing root Daisuke_Ido !!!
[23:09] <BonesolTeraDyne> I think I've seen an option like that. I'm using KDE3 right now. I'll check it out.
[23:10] <Maillard> it's like Comma22
[23:10] <Daisuke_Ido> i couldn't sudo either, but i could get to that
[23:10] <Daisuke_Ido> (as root)
[23:10] <Daisuke_Ido> policykit :D
[23:11] <Maillard> what is it?
[23:11] <BonesolTeraDyne> Yup. System Settings > Network Settings > Network Connections Pane > Domain Name System tab
[23:11] <Daisuke_Ido> i would recommend at least trying through BonesolTeraDyne's string
[23:11] <Daisuke_Ido> policykit is selinux done right
[23:11] <Maillard> sure, thanks
[23:11] <Daisuke_Ido> granular permissions controls
[23:12] <o0Chris0o> I am thinking about removing compiz fusion
[23:13] <Daisuke_Ido> o0Chris0o: in kde?  you'd be better off without it.
[23:13] <Daisuke_Ido> it doesn't integrate well at all
[23:13] <o0Chris0o> yeah
[23:13] <o0Chris0o> tell me bout it
[23:13] <jhutchins_wk> I thought kdesu and gsudo were independent of sudo?
[23:13] <jhutchins_wk> In fact, I thought that was one of the solutions.
[23:13] <Daisuke_Ido> jhutchins: if they are, then this is a really easy fix.
[23:13] <o0Chris0o> what are some others I could check out Daisuke_Ido
[23:13] <BonesolTeraDyne> jhutchins_wk: I did too.
[23:14] <Maillard> Daisuke_Ido, and BonesolTeraDyne  I found it but itt doesnn't allow me to enter administartor mode
[23:14] <Daisuke_Ido> o0Chris0o: none, really - gnome seems to be the only DE that *really* is integrated well
[23:14] <Daisuke_Ido> Maillard: try kdesu kate /etc/hosts
[23:15] <Maillard> i already did Daisuke_Ido
[23:15] <Daisuke_Ido> jhutchins: kdesu and kdesudo - one's just a symlink to the other right?
[23:16] <o0Chris0o> I see
[23:17] <Daisuke_Ido> i know that's how gksu and gksudo are
[23:17] <o0Chris0o> wish someone was alive in compiz fusion to help
[23:18] <Maillard> so, how can I edit a root owned file without beeing root?
[23:18] <Daisuke_Ido> wait a second
[23:18] <Daisuke_Ido> if /etc/hosts is already saying he has one hostname, shouldn't it switch to that if he reboots?
[23:19] <Daisuke_Ido> time to go grab laundry
[23:19] <Maillard> well, it all happened at my reboot after upgrade
[23:20] <jhutchins_wk> Oh, integrated to compiz.  Yeah.
[23:23] <Rekla_je_zagrli_> hi people :)
[23:30] <Maillard> Daisuke_Ido, I could fix it by booting in recovery mode and starting as root.... no other way!
[23:31] <Daisuke_Ido> Maillard: that's certainly what it looks like
[23:32] <Maillard> a nusty bug anyway!
[23:32] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah, that's not a good one
[23:32] <Daisuke_Ido> i would check launchpad to see if it exists as a bug already
[23:32] <Maillard> I already did....
[23:33] <Maillard> it exists and it is not fixed yet
[23:33] <Maillard> it seems people can fix the file if using gnome, but with kde only solution is the one i followed
[23:34] <BonesolTeraDyne> That makes things even worse. Did you add your experience to the bug report?
[23:35] <Maillard> not yet, but i'm going to do it as soon as i have expressed you bot my thanks :)
[23:35] <Maillard> both*
[23:35] <sparr__> where should user-local binaries and game data go?  for things not installed by root
[23:36] <BonesolTeraDyne> post the bug link here. I'd like to put it on my watch list.
[23:36] <BonesolTeraDyne> If you don't mind, of course.
[23:36] <jhutchins_wk> sparr__: Well, the correct answer is usually somewhere in /home/<user>
[23:37] <sparr__> jhutchins: can you be more specific?  i picked up ~/.local/[bin,share,etc] from some installers and have stuck with it, but im curious of other options
[23:38] <mike-kubunt1> hey guys, for some reason i'm getting stuck into a tty boot every boot since 8.04, and using nvidia-glx-new, the compiz effects only draw window decorations on active windows, other than that the new realease is amazing
[23:38] <mike-kubunt1> any tips on the boot up / compiz issue?
[23:38] <hydrogen> sparr__: the FHS I believe suggests creating ~/{bin,lib,share} directories
[23:39] <jhutchins_wk> !v4l
[23:39] <jhutchins_wk> !video4linux
[23:39] <jhutchins_wk> !webcam
[23:39] <sparr__> hydrogen: yes, but i long ago decided that the FHS is a piece of crap, so im looking more for real-life answers
[23:39] <Desmond> !anything
[23:39] <hydrogen> sparr__: then wherever you want :)
[23:41] <sparr__> hydrogen: any filesystem standard that specifies a mount point for temporary mounts and one for removable media, but not one for permanent non-removable media, is silly
[23:41] <mike-kubunt1> and firefox doesnt get recomended programs for opening downloads anymore
[23:44] <Desmond> is kde4 stable yet?
[23:45] <sparr__> would one have to consider kde 3.5 stable to answer that?
[23:45] <Odd-rationale> Desmond: it is quite stable. Is is just still incomplete.
[23:45] <Desmond> ok
[23:45] <psyco> has anyone tried 4.1 yet?
[23:45] <Odd-rationale> alpha?
[23:46] <BluesKaj> mike-kubunt1, flashplugin-nonfree, ubuntu-restricted-extras, libdvdcss2 , W32codecs, libk3b2-mp3 and libxine1-ffmpeg should take care
[23:46] <BluesKaj> of everything
[23:46] <hydrogen> psyco: the alpha is pretty b0rked
[23:46] <hydrogen> but I've been running trunk since last october or so
[23:46] <Desmond> because i almost installed but it wouldnt work
[23:47] <psyco> ok
[23:47] <Desmond> poll: kde3 or 4?
[23:47] <mike-kubunt1> BluesKaj: yeah, thats fine, it can play them on my computer, it just doesnt recomend xine or anything when i try to download as a default open type
[23:48] <ubuntu__> im a monkey
[23:48] <mike-kubunt1> anyone know the package that adds repos like medibuntu etc automatically?
[23:48] <ubuntu__> no
[23:48] <Desmond> medibuntu?
[23:48] <ubuntu__> wish i did
[23:48] <ubuntu__> dance
[23:49] <mrmonkeyman> I am a monkey
[23:49]  * Desmond dance
[23:49] <mike-kubunt1> Desmond: used to be the only place to find win32codecs and libdvdcss2 etc
[23:49] <Desmond> i se
[23:49] <Desmond> see*
[23:49] <Desmond> im new to kubuntu/ubunbut
[23:49] <BluesKaj> mike-kubunt1, if you DL it , open it with VLC , it plays practically any codec
[23:49] <Desmond> used to have SUSE but after there shady deals with microsoft i started
[23:50] <Desmond> to distro hop
[23:50] <psyco> lol. nice
[23:50] <Desmond> this is like my 8th
[23:50] <Desmond> but it has a nice easy feel
[23:50] <Desmond> normally i would want somthing harder
[23:50] <psyco> faster, better, stronger?
[23:51] <Desmond> but this has a nice community
[23:51] <psyco> :D
[23:51] <Desmond> exactly
[23:51] <o0Chris0o> how can I completely remove all compiz fusion off my system?
[23:52] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: After all that work of putting it on?
[23:52] <psyco> ask #compiz
[23:52] <o0Chris0o> its giving me nothing but problems
[23:52] <o0Chris0o> still
[23:52] <hydrogen> psyco: thats definatly a question for here
[23:52] <hydrogen> not #compiz
[23:52] <psyco> With the desktop effects it takes about 30 seconds now XD
[23:52] <o0Chris0o> the same thing
[23:52] <hydrogen> as its distro specific
[23:52] <Desmond> sudo rm -rf etc
[23:52] <Desmond> lol jk
[23:52] <psyco> hy
[23:52] <psyco> hydrogen: ah right
[23:53] <mike-kubunt1> anyone got insight into the bootup splash problem or compiz window decoration glitch?
[23:53] <mike-kubunt1> or know where to go to file a bug report?
[23:53] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: try "sudo aptitude purge compiz-kde compizconfig-settings-manager"
[23:54] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: I hardly run compiz myself. ;) just spinned the cube around a few times the shut it down...
[23:54] <o0Chris0o> I see
[23:55] <Odd-rationale> For one thing, compiz doesn't intergrate very well into kde... At least not like in gnome
[23:55] <Odd-rationale> or even xfce...
[23:55] <Odd-rationale> If someone is a serious compiz user, I usually tell them to use gnome...
[23:55] <kkathman> Odd-rationale:  I've had very little problem with compiz in Kubuntu really
[23:56] <mike-kubunt1> i've had almost no problem up till now :\
[23:56] <Odd-rationale> kkathman: that's cool
[23:56] <kkathman> When I upgraded from Gutsy, it seemed to refresh my settings tho
[23:56] <Odd-rationale> kkathman: the workspace switcher doesn't work really well with compiz...
[23:56] <kkathman> Odd-rationale:  try the ring switcher instead - thats what I use
[23:57] <Odd-rationale> kkathman: and I keep getting the adept updater window which I have to killl.
[23:57] <kkathman> why kill it ?
[23:57] <Odd-rationale> kkathman: I meant the kde workspace switcher in the panel
[23:57] <Odd-rationale> kkathman: it was easiest. ;)
[23:57] <kkathman> Odd-rationale: ohh hmm...
[23:57] <kkathman> interesting
[23:58] <Odd-rationale> kkathman: do you get that?
[23:58] <mike-kubunt1> Odd-rationale: easiest just to disable the notifier if your gonna use compiz, for some reason it pops out of the kmenu every time
[23:58] <mike-kubunt1> annoying as hell
[23:58] <kkathman> cant say I've ever tried - you mean the desktop pager?
[23:58] <Odd-rationale> It won't be long before kwin4 gets the cube effect, etc as well
[23:59] <Odd-rationale> kkathman: yeah, that one...
[23:59] <mike-kubunt1> Odd-rationale: but kde4 really sucks right now from what i can tell, don't like anything about it yet
[23:59] <kkathman> Odd-rationale:  there's always been issues with the desktop pager w/compiz  even when it was Beryl
[23:59] <kkathman> thats why I dont use it
[23:59] <Odd-rationale> kkathman: does kwin crash when you try to shade a window with compiz?
[23:59] <mike-kubunt1> where do i file a bug report?