=== stdin changed the topic of #ubuntu-classroom to: Ubuntu Open Week | Information and Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek | How to ask questions: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Rules | Ask questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat, prefaced with "QUESTION:" |See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/JoiningIn to filter out channel noise | Sessions start at 15:00 UTC [15:58] cody-somerville: about ready to start? [15:58] Almost. :) [15:58] perfect === jcastro changed the topic of #ubuntu-classroom to: Ubuntu Open Week | Information and Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek | How to ask questions: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Rules | Ask questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat, prefaced with "QUESTION:" |See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/JoiningIn to filter out channel noise | Current session: "Xubuntu" - Cody Summerville [16:01] Ok, welcome back everyone [16:01] This morning we have Cody Somerville who will be discussing Xubuntu [16:01] cody-somerville: take it away! [16:02] Hello everyone [16:02] Thank you for coming to attend the Xubuntu Open Week session. [16:03] My name is Cody Somerville and I'm the current Xubuntu team leader. [16:03] So, what is Xubuntu? I'm sure a lot of us know already but for those of that don't, Xubuntu is an official derivative of Ubuntu. [16:04] As an official derivative, Xubuntu uses the same archive as Ubuntu does offering you all the same packages. [16:04] The difference between Xubuntu and Ubuntu is the set of packages that are installed by default. [16:06] Xubuntu uses the Xfce4 desktop environment which prides its self on being light weight and fast while remaining user friendly. [16:07] The motto of Xfce is "... and everything goes faster!". and thats exactly the comment we often receive from users. [16:08] When you first load up Xubuntu, you'll notice it looks very much like Ubuntu. [16:08] You still have the two panels, one at the top and one at the bottom. An applications menu in the upper left corner. System tray in the upper right corner. etc. [16:09] Xubuntu has often been dubbed the "faster Ubuntu" because we've been able to provide a faster desktop experience without compromising usability or sacrificing too many features. [16:11] In Xubuntu 8.04, which as you know was released last week, includes the latest release of Xfce4 - Xfce4 4.4.2. [16:11] You can find more information about Xfce specifically at the Xfce website located at http://xfce.org [16:12] Does anyone have any questions about what Xubuntu *is*, what Xfce4 *is*, or what makes Xubuntu different from Ubuntu? [16:12] QUESTION: A lot of users who want a fast, yet easy to use system may be torn between Xubuntu and Fluxbuntu. Would you comment on the resource use of Xubuntu compared to Fluxbuntu? [16:13] Good question. [16:15] Xubuntu is not as light as Fluxbuntu. Xubuntu and Fluxbuntu, although both focus on being light-weight, do serve different purposes. Each project has their own intended audience. [16:16] Xubuntu, I think, is a happy medium between Fluxbuntu and Ubuntu. [16:17] Fluxbuntu is more appropriate for machines that are very low on resources where as Xubuntu is better suited for computers in the last decade - give or take a few years. [16:17] Does that answer your question? :) [16:18] QUESTION: can you suggest tools to benchmark xfce performance mem footprint etc ? then we'll can compare to some other desktop manager ? [16:18] That was from RzR. [16:19] RzR, I can't suggest any tools at this time but benchmarking is an initiative that I hope to have in place for Intrepid. Intrepid will, hopefully, be the first release of Xubuntu that actually makes a calculated and scientific like effort to improve performance. [16:20] QUESTION: Xubuntu looks just like a lightweight clone of Ubuntu. Is this intended? I mean, Xfce4 could be very unique but instead, it look just like GNOME. [16:21] rubicon_, Yes it is intentionally. We wanted Xubuntu to be as easy to use as possible and we feel that the current setup is accomplishing just that. However, I'm sure there will be discussion (as there always is) for Intrepid of changing it up a bit and maybe someone will present a compelling enough argument and we'll do just that. [16:21] QUESTION: Does xbuntu receive the same support as ubuntu for patches, updates, etc? [16:22] djf_jeff, Commercial support for Xubuntu through Canonical does not currently exist. However, Xubuntu receives the same types of support from the community. [16:23] Xubuntu does receive security updates, patches, etc. but it is not guaranteed by Canonical like Ubuntu is. [16:23] QUESTION: Does the xubuntu interface get updated regularly? KDE just came out with version 4 and it's entirely different from version 3. [16:24] jaredbuck, There are currently no radical plans to change the Xfce4 interface. [16:25] QUESTION: Is there anything (apart from lightweightedness) that Xfce offers that KDE or GNOME don't? [16:26] Yes! [16:26] Thunar is an amazing file manager/browser. I've fell completely in love with it. [16:26] Although it doesn't offer all the features Nautalius does yet, it is fast, friendly, and powerful. [16:27] And it doesn't stop there either. :) [16:27] For example, Xfce4 has an excellent built in compositor that is extremely fast. [16:28] Check out Xubuntu and I'm sure you'll see the differences :) [16:29] IdleOne> QUESTION: I am a gnome user ( ubuntu default ) and am wondering why can't gnome be made lighter so it runs as quickly as xubuntu or fluxbuntu? this way the xubuntu resources could be dedicated to Ubuntu. [16:29] IdleOne, Gnome has been making strives to become more "light weight" and they're doing a good job. However, target audience has a lot to do with just how light weight developers of a project will want to go. [16:30] Gnome and Xfce4 each have their own target audience. [16:30] Tricky question but a good one. However, you should know that when people contribute to Xubuntu they are also contributing to Ubuntu. [16:31] If you'll excuse me, I'll be right back. :) [16:32] Sorry about that, I just happen to be at work :) [16:33] I'm going to move forward with my presentation now and I'll answer some more questions in a bit. [16:33] Xubuntu is a relatively small project compared to Ubuntu when looking at the number of active contributors. [16:34] Xubuntu has, in clearer terms, less manpower than Ubuntu does. Although Xubuntu stands on the shoulders of Ubuntu, Xubuntu still needs people who are directly interested in it! [16:34] The project's small size is a benefit, IMHO, to those who are interested in getting involved in *buntu. [16:36] If you were to decide to get involved with Xubuntu today, I think you'd find that you'd get more one on one time from its current set of contributors making it easier for you to get moving at your own pace. [16:37] It also means that there is room for hopeful contributors to grow into different leadership positions within the Xubuntu community. [16:39] I also like to think we're a fun, enjoyable group of people to be around. I know I've built a number of friendships through working on Xubuntu. Although thats not unique to Xubuntu, it is true that sometimes people get frustrated, confused, or disorientated because they're never sure who they need to talk to or the right person to ping. [16:41] For those who are developer bound, this means that you'll be able to expedite your journey by more easily building a repertoire with your Xubuntu mentor/sponsor. [16:42] So, why not get involved in Xubuntu? It is fun, exciting, easy, and enjoyable with lots of opportunity. I encourage you all to consider! :) [16:43] Xubuntu 8.10 [16:43] Our goals for the next release, Intrepid, are to make Xubuntu faster, more usable, and finally include a few extra features people have been asking for. [16:44] For example, one feature that is being considered for inclusion is the ability to browse samba networks in Thunar. [16:44] Another exciting piece of news for Xubuntu is that Xfce has decided to move to a time based release schedule and has currently their next release planned in time for Xubuntu 8.10 to include it. [16:46] If the rumours and whispering is true, Xubuntu 8.10 will hopefully include Xfce 4.6 which will address a number of long standing issues such as the menu editor. [16:47] Other rumours include a much improved xfce4 panel :) [16:48] I think we'll also see a number of sneaky memory leaks squashed making Xfce4 perform even better :) [16:48] Another feature being discussed specifically for Xubuntu is improving Xubuntu power management features. [16:48] Important for laptop users. :) [16:49] What sort of features would you guys like to see in Xubuntu 8.10? :) [16:50] neenaoffline, We already ship Ristretto in Ubutnu 8.04 [16:51] neenaoffline, However, I've heard some disturbing bug reports about Ristretto's memory use so we'll be re-evaluating its inclusion in Intrepid. [16:52] To start the conclusion of my presentation here today, I'd like to once again encourage you all to consider getting involved in Xubuntu. [16:53] I think you'll find that Xubuntu is fast, sharp, responsive -- it provides a good desktop to get work done in. [16:54] Xubuntu 8.04 is reported to be the fastest Xubuntu yet and we intend to continue that trend with Intrepid. [16:55] Xubuntu as a project is growing, developing, and maturing. Now is an excellent time to get involved. [16:56] For more information about Xubuntu, you can visit http://xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu [16:56] You're welcome to join us in #xubuntu-devel where we discuss and coordinate Xubuntu efforts. [16:56] To download Xubuntu, visit http://xubuntu.org/get [16:57] I'll now answer any last questions before I hand things back over to jcastro. [16:58] yes, but what if I want a GNOME app while using XFCE ? [16:59] You can run both Gnome and KDE applications in Xfce. [16:59] will i see human theme window when i open a gnome program while inside xfce or not? [16:59] No, the windows will be themed the same. [17:00] However, KDE applications will still look QTish. [17:00] Alright. Thanks everyone! [17:00] I hope to see you in #xubuntu-devel [17:01] thanks cody-somerville! [17:01] We also have a mailing list at http://lists.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-devel [17:01] * cody-somerville cheers. [17:01] \o/ === jcastro changed the topic of #ubuntu-classroom to: Ubuntu Open Week | Information and Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek | How to ask questions: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Rules | Ask questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat, prefaced with "QUESTION:" |See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/JoiningIn to filter out channel noise | Current session: "Community Q+A" - Jono Bacon [17:01] ok every, Community Q+A with Jono Bacon is next! [17:02] hello all :) [17:02] :) [17:03] ok, this session is totally driven by Q+A about anything you would like to know about the Ubuntu community, or myself [17:03] everyone should post questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat and include QUESTION at the start of the line [17:03] QUESTION: How many Ubuntu + Kubuntu + Edubuntu installations exit worldwide now? [17:03] he means "exists" [17:05] sorry, one second [17:06] back [17:06] sorry about that [17:06] its impossibly difficult to tell the number of installations, Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Edubuntu are free software, so anyone could install it on any mahcine [17:06] machine [17:06] so its difficult to give decent figures [17:06] we have got millions of users all over the world though, thats for sure [17:08] QUESTION: jono, how'd you get started in Ubuntu? What made you get involved with it? [17:08] I have been an Ubuntu user from the early days, and had an interest in it when it was just a rumour [17:09] I then became an avid user, and co-wrote the Official Ubuntu Book [17:10] at the time I was working for OpenAdvantage - a government funded project to spread Open Source in the UK, and heard about the job [17:10] so I applied and after a bunch of interviews got it :) [17:10] the thing I loved about Ubuntu was that it was doing something I had talked about for years - taking Debian and making it suitable for everyone [17:11] I also really liked the strong commitment to community - it seemed a very pure approach, something which I think is the right thing to do [17:11] QUESTION: There are a few mentions about the "Community Council" in the mailing lists and on the wiki, but I can't find anything about this council. Who is on it, and can you provide more information about it? [17:12] the Community Council is the highest governing body in the Ubuntu community [17:12] it approves and defines changes in how we govern our community [17:12] you can read more about it at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/council - that page also says who is on it [17:13] we have a diverse council, and most of the members don't work for Canonical [17:13] < sommer> QUESTION: what is the process for membership, now that the Community Council doesn't handle that, are the local "councils" setup? [17:14] sommer: we have been working on a change to how membership is approved, and it is nearly complete [17:14] beforehand membership was approved by the Community Council, and it resulted in very very long CC sessions [17:14] with so many people wanting to become members, we have set up three localised membership boards [17:15] in the Americas, Australasia and Europe [17:15] each board has around 10 people on it who will judge membership for people in that particular region [17:15] the boards have been assigned, approved by the CC, the documentation is written and are about to be announced and put in place [17:16] < dalejefferson> QUESTION: what would you like to see in Intrepid? [17:17] I would love to see Intrepid focus more on a different and strong UI [17:18] I would love to see new UI components [17:18] and see the entire interface become sleeker - such as getting rid of modeline changes when booting [17:19] < artir_> QUESTION:whats the state of Jokosher? [17:19] hehe :) [17:20] artir_: Jokosher is a project I was deeply involved in, but have not been able to contribute to due to time - I am pretty busy with my Ubuntu work, my music and my personal life [17:20] its an incredible project and literally just needs a few bug fixes to the Gstreamer code in there and it will be ready to roll [17:20] so if anyone wants to help out, let me know :) [17:20] < RzR> jono: QUESTION: can you give resources about "bridges between" communities, I know about utnubu(debian) but I bet everyone will win by interconnecting communities, isnt it ? [17:21] RzR: sure [17:21] I think its always important to have strong connections between different communities [17:21] we are all together in the same fishpond, and many of our processes and workflows are connected and related [17:22] in terms of social connections, I think its also important to ensure that all communities have good connections to each other - it helps identify new and interesting projects and collaborations to work on [17:23] part of the plan for my team is to help define these connections between Ubuntu and upstream, and this is something that jcastro works on - he works with upstream projects [17:23] we approach this not only from a social level, but from an engineering level - seeing how we can match what we do and achieve interesting things [17:23] < nosrednaekim> QUESTION: you say different and stronger UI ... does this mean KDE4 ? [17:24] nosrednaekim: nope - Kubuntu does an excellent job with KDE4 [17:24] I am talking about thematic changes, artwork, conceptual changes to common elements such as login, user switching, virtual desktop switching etc - I essentially mean an interesting merging of GNOME, Compiz, and lots of bits of integration [17:25] I am also interested in changes to the model - people as topic level objects is an interesting approach [17:25] < mybunche> QUESTION: Will you be writing the Official Ubuntu Book 3rd Edition this year? And will it be based on 8.04? [17:26] mybunche: I won't be contributing new content to the 3rd Edition of the Official Ubuntu Book - I just don't have the time these days, and I imagine it will be based around 8.04 [17:26] < artir_> QUESTION: Why is your beard so cool? XD [17:26] artir_: haha [17:27] well I think its cool, not sure everyone would agree :) [17:27] its been through a lot of changes too - used to be fairly small but long, then small and less long, and now a thin strip [17:27] but it feels so bouncy and manageable :P [17:27] < dalejefferson> QUESTION: Follow up: Would you like to see a simpler interface, ie a easy mode for non power users (like the EEEPC [17:29] dalejefferson: in my mind, the default Ubuntu interface should be suitable for non-power users - I am not keen on the idea of attaching different interfaces to different levels of skill - it makes people who use the simpler interfaces feel stupid - I think we can have one, unified interface that is suitable for all users - simple enough for new users and powerful and effective enough for power users :) [17:29] < bobbo_> QUESTION: You dont seem to have much spare time these days, are you going to keep LugRadio going? [17:29] bobbo_: yeah, things have been something of a rollercoaster in my life in the last year, both professionally and personally, and I am pretty much always on the go [17:30] I have no plans of leaving LugRadio right now [17:30] < toobuntu> QUESTION: "people as topic level objects is an interesting approach" Would you elaborate on this? [17:30] toobuntu: sure [17:31] the concept is basically that people represent an element in your interface [17:31] there are lots of things you can do with people - email them, IM them, get things from them, send them things, learn about what they are doing, get their help etc [17:31] much of what we do on computers today is about communicating with people about different things and achieving certain goals [17:31] http://live.gnome.org/Soylent has more information on people-centric stuff [17:32] I like the idea of this and I like the idea of how we can achieve this in Ubuntu [17:32] < RzR> jono: QUESTION: this may be offtopic , but I was wondering if FLOSS communities are fully dependent of the internet ? any feedback from the unconnected world ? [17:32] RzR: I think they largely are right now, the Internet is the mechanism in which we flow ideas and things that we work on in our community [17:33] I love the fact that we are so connected, and have contributors all over the world - just this channel will have people from a huge range of countries in it - but it is a huge problem that so many people are disconnected based upon where they are living [17:33] I am just not sure what the solution to that problem is [17:34] < d33d> QUESTION: What technologies do you focus on when moving to a "better Ubuntu"...meaning, things like social networking, new hardware, how do those drive the developement in a "better Ubuntu"? [17:35] d33d: indeed - social networking, better hardware support, ease of use, compatibility etc [17:36] we want to ensure Ubuntu "just works" on every level, hardware, social, task-based...everything [17:36] < DoruHush> QUESTION: Why well develop applications from older applications are whipped out in the new version and replaced with other with no functionality (nm, Screen&Graphics)? [17:37] DoruHush: I don't understand the question, sorry [17:37] < jerichokb> QUESTION: as Ubuntu spreads and the user base become much larger - for instance the french police force adopting ubuntu, iirc - do you envisage the community growing at the same rate, or slower/faster? [17:38] jerichokb: sure, I expect the community will grow in tandem with the user base - the user base is the community to a large degree, and we need to ensure that our community scales and accomodates this new growth [17:38] our community is going to continue to get bigger and bigger, thats for sure [17:38] brb, 2 mins [17:41] back [17:41] sorry about that [17:41] < DoruHush> QUESTION: What mentoring means to community and who does it? [17:41] DoruHush: mentoring is an important part in a community - and it essentially mean helping people to be productive [17:42] we try to encourage as much mentoring as possible, in all parts of the project [17:42] you can see it in MOTU, LoCo Teams, and else where [17:43] < mybunche> QUESTION: Are thoughts on moving to a default 2 CD image? More room to play with so-to-speak. I feel that the size of a 1 CD image is restrictive for Ubuntu and maybe pushing some users away because their install don't work. [17:44] mybunche: I disagree, I think the one-cd approach is one of our biggest assets - people can get one CD and install full Operating System [17:44] we make easy for people to download additional functionality, so I think it is less of an issue [17:44] as for a possible optional add-on CD, I am not the best person to ask about if that would be doable [17:45] < mybunche> QUESTION: Are thoughts on moving to a default 2 CD image? More room to play with so-to-speak. I feel that the size of a 1 CD image is restrictive for Ubuntu and maybe pushing some users away because their install don't work.(rephrasing DoruHush's previous question): Why are tools like networkmanager and screens&graphics put into a release even if there are regressions from the previous tools? [17:45] oops [17:45] (rephrasing DoruHush's previous question): Why are tools like networkmanager and screens&graphics put into a release even if there are regressions from the previous tools? [17:45] sorry [17:45] DoruHush: you will need to speak to the package maintainers about that [17:46] < jake_peters> QUESTION: Jono, seems like you attend many conventions, how do these off-line events matter for the community and as the community grows, do you think the role face-to-face interaction will change? [17:47] jake_peters: I think face-to-face conferences have their place - much of it for me is being there to speak face-to-face with specific groups, but naturally confs are very time consuming and expensive, so I try to limit them where possible (and still end up travelling all the time!) [17:47] I think as the community grows the number of confs will grow, and we will see less of the same people visiting every conf [17:48] * waiting on questions * [17:48] looks like we are done [17:48] one more! [17:48] < tehk> QUESTION: A new slew of Girl Friend/grandma Test blog post have sprung up, and they stumble when it comes to installing things. Do you think a quick 'on first start' video that explains Add/Remove would help? [17:48] ok, last one [17:49] tehk: I would love to see this - and popey is the best person to ask about this [17:49] maybe popey speak to you about this in -chat [17:50] ok, I think we are done [17:50] thanks everyone! [17:50] woo, thanks everyone for showing up! [17:50] have a great open week :) [17:50] In about 9 minutes we have Intro to Mobile Testing [17:54] ok, about 5 minutes until Intro to Mobile Testing! === jcastro changed the topic of #ubuntu-classroom to: Ubuntu Open Week | Information and Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek | How to ask questions: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Rules | Ask questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat, prefaced with "QUESTION:" |See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/JoiningIn to filter out channel noise | Current Session: "Intro to Mobile Testing" - Chris Gregan and Dave Morley [17:59] Ok, Intro to Mobile Testing with Chris Gregan and Dave Morley, take it away guys! [17:59] Good morning, afternoon, evening everyone [17:59] First let me introduce mayself [18:00] I am the lead tester for Ubuntu Mobile Edition [18:00] Today we will be doing a review of UME and how testing is being done [18:01] I will cover several topics. At the end of each section I will open up the floor for questions [18:01] We'll start with a brief overview of UME, then discuss supported hardware [18:01] Afterwards a bit about the tools we use to test [18:02] Then where to get cases and finally how to submit defects against UME [18:02] So...Lets start [18:03] UME is a project that was started in collaboration with Intel [18:03] The idea was to have an open source OS that supported Intel's new Mobile Internet Device platform [18:04] So...we signed up and have begun putting together a version of Hardy which will do exactly that [18:04] There are several areas that needed to be adjusted to support this platform. [18:05] Most changes are Kernel and driver [18:05] Right now the daily builds are focused on only a couple hardware platforms [18:06] However, our goal is to make it as widely available, platform-wise [18:06] Then of course...get all of you involved to improve it [18:07] So....the platforms we support currently are the Samsung Q1 (known as Mccaslin) [18:07] and the Intel reference hardware (known as Menlow) [18:07] They are both x86. [18:08] We have a project page setup in Launchpad that you can check out for more info: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-mobile/ [18:08] Ok....any questions so far? [18:09] 18:07 < popey> QUESTION: What sort of hardware spec are these mobile devices? [18:09] popey: QUESTION: What sort of hardware spec are these mobile devices? [18:09] heh [18:10] So they are x86 and at full speed the intel platform runs at 1.6 Ghz [18:10] memory, storage, other funky devices? [18:11] Reference devices so far have been coming with flash drives of about 1 G [18:11] Memory is around 512Mbs [18:11] But this is just reference and all those specs can be adjusted by manufacturer [18:12] Processor speed is about all that is fixed at the top. [18:12] artir: QUESTION: Will we ever have a ubuntu phone?(mada by canonical) [18:13] Just to wet your appetites...the reference devices are very cool. 5 radios, 3d graphics, etc. [18:13] I know of no plans to release a device from Canonical [18:13] QUESTION: can this hardware be accessible to any developper between shiping date ? [18:13] Our goal is to become THE OS for MID platform. They will ask for us by name [18:14] Currently, the only commercial hardware on the market that we support is the Samsung Q1 [18:15] mybunche: QUESTION: Will you encourage/liase with/assist product manufactures (eg Nokia) to adopt UME? [18:15] We are working on some plans to introduce a program like the laptop initiative from a year ago...with MIDs, but we need some commercial devices for that [18:15] mybunche: They are currently coming to US, but yes [18:16] Ok.....shall we move on? [18:16] Tools! [18:17] So we use a development tool known as Moblin Image Creator [18:17] It was developed by Intel's Moblin project [18:17] Basically, it is an image creation tool. [18:18] Since these devices have no drives, you need to use a boot USB image to flash to a new OS [18:18] MIC does this for us [18:18] It is freely available in Ubuntu Universe Repo using Synaptic [18:19] We have some project wikis with setup info here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/UMEinstall [18:20] Once you have it installed it is launched by icon in your Gnome Menu [18:20] Ok...so now you have MIC, but no UME yet. For that there are two methods [18:21] First...you are lucky to have a Q1 now...or a menlow device when they come out in a few month [18:21] What you want is the .img file from our build area [18:22] For Mccaslin: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/moblin/hardy/menlow_full/ [18:22] Whoops: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/moblin/hardy/mccaslin_samsungq1ultrafull/ [18:22] ok...then for menlow: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/moblin/hardy/menlow_full/ [18:23] The .img files are not too large, but fast connection is recommended [18:23] Next you need a USB key...1Gb should do it [18:24] Launch MIC then use the Tools menu to Write USB Image [18:24] It will then ask you for the img location and then your USB mount [18:24] Some chugging...and then you have a boot device [18:25] Plug the key into your Q1 or Menlow and reboot [18:25] You will get a warning screen....which I repeat here: [18:26] The image will COMPLETELY overwrite your device storage....so move your rare flac bootlegs and pictures of the kid's 1st birthday off first! :-) [18:27] Ok....that was a fairly large info dump...any questions on device install? [18:28] No [18:28] Ok.....then lets move onto the steps for emulating...so we can all see the build without a device! [18:28] Built into MIC is a tool called Xephyr [18:28] It emulated X environments [18:28] and allows us to test builds without a device [18:29] It has some drawbacks....like you run as root. But for a basic idea of the build and some basic testing it is ok [18:29] For emulation you need the Project tarball [18:30] from our build area: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/moblin/hardy/menlow/ [18:31] With MIC open use the File Menu to Load a Project [18:31] It will ask you to pick the tar file [18:31] And name the project file to install the chroot environment [18:32] We tend to use a standard format so we know which build we are working on [18:33] So something like Menlow04_30 [18:33] It will then think for quite a while [18:34] So it is a good time to run that load of laundry or grab a bite to eat [18:34] Once you have the project loaded...you will see it appear in the upper field in MIC [18:35] Clicking the project will populate the Targets area below [18:35] We have two in each build, but we are going to focus on the "full" here [18:36] So....select the full Target and click the Terminal button above it [18:36] This opens a chroot window for the full version [18:36] Now....there is a quick change we need to make here [18:37] The resolv.conf for the chroot is set to the build machine..so you will not have network connectivity if you do not edit it [18:37] So just vim /etc/resolv.conf [18:37] and change buildd to your domain [18:38] and the IP to your gateway IP [18:38] Ping Google.com to confirm [18:39] Ok....so now lets see the build. Type ume-xephyr-start [18:39] After a short boot, you will be looking at a "hildon-ized" gnome desktop [18:40] So rows of icons to access the mobile apps included [18:40] Now play around. We are still in very active testing so things are very fluid [18:41] One nice thing about UME is that it is a reference platform [18:41] this means it is a foundation [18:41] so it supports flash and html overlays of the desktop [18:42] so although the standard desktop is kinda utilitarian...you can easily make it quite nice [18:42] I have seen some very slick demo desktops in flash [18:43] Ok...questions? [18:44] Alright.....then lets move to testing [18:44] We have created a suite of cases based on the partnership requirements with Intel [18:45] The wiki landing page is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/UMEdesktop [18:45] They are divided into three groups [18:45] Basic, Advanced, and Compliance [18:45] Basic is exactly that. Simple cases to exercise the most used features [18:46] Advanced cases require either more system knowledge, or access to resource that we might not all have...like proprietary codecs for example [18:47] Compliance cases cover the agreed upon stats for the system. Disk usage, UI design, performance, etc. [18:47] These are agreed upon targets that we have agreed to meet [18:47] So we need to make sure they are met [18:48] Feel free to click around review and even exercise some cases n Xephyr [18:48] Each case has a table at the top with version of the build the cases were last run [18:49] With that said...updating that table has fallen a bit behind in the rush to test this release cycle...so they are blank for the most part [18:49] But feel free to use it [18:50] Once we have a regular release that can be tracked more like the traditional Ubuntu builds [18:50] Right now we are not operating that way [18:50] But after the may release I encourage all of you to look around and test some things [18:51] So...you tested and now you found some minor issues [18:51] We have a template we would like to see used [18:51] You can find it on the wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/UMEdesktop [18:52] Paste it into the report and fill out each section as carefully and thoroughly as possible [18:52] Here is an example of a good one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mobile/+bug/218850 [18:53] Feel free to add more info [18:53] Don't worry if you forget to use it...I will remind you: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mobile/+bug/221503 [18:54] Of course be sure you are running the latest build when you log an issue against UME. === asac_ is now known as asac [18:55] One last thing...more than ubuntu and canonical folks are watching these bugs so lets make sure we keep it very professional in the bugs [18:55] We want to give these customers the best impression of our community [18:55] And that is it [18:55] Last 5 for questions [18:56] Can it be installed on an eeepc? [18:57] davmor2_laptop: Not currently...we are building for two specific platforms so the drivers for devices not on those platforms are not loaded to save space [18:57] But it is possible with some kernel changes and modprobing [18:57] If there is a ton of interest we can look into what exactly needs to be changed and post it [18:58] But that would be after May 30 [18:58] one of the other questions was on the browser backend [18:59] The browser is based on Firefox which has been customized by the Moblin project folks [18:59] ok, we're out of time, can you point people to your irc channel if they have more questions? [18:59] Well...thanks for listening in. If you have other questions feel free to ping me on irc or email === jcastro changed the topic of #ubuntu-classroom to: Ubuntu Open Week | Information and Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek | How to ask questions: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Rules | Ask questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat, prefaced with "QUESTION:" |See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/JoiningIn to filter out channel noise | Current Session: "Packaging Firefox Extensions" - Alexander Sack [19:00] ok, next up is Packaging Firefox Extensions with asac! [19:00] thanks jcastro [19:00] asac: take it away! [19:00] Welcome to the Firefox Extension Packaging world. [19:00] First I want to give some general information about extension packaging. In particular the why. [19:01] (this questions pops-up frequently so i think its good to address here upfront) [19:01] Then I'll go and give a quick review on what was done during the hardy cycle and where we plan to go for the future. [19:01] Next, I will give a short insight in how you can contribute. [19:02] and finally we'll go and exercise some basics by packaging an extension. For that we will repackage ubufox which should help to show. [19:02] the general idea [19:02] So why do we want extensions packaged. Isn't addons.mozilla.org good enough? [19:03] addons.mozilla.org surely is a great portal for getting extensions and automatically updating them. [19:03] But its not all positive: [19:03] 1. it doesn't allow you to install extensions globally easily. [19:03] 2. more important is the fact that automatically updated extensions might not match the quality expectations of users, especially in corporate environments [19:04] packaged extensions would allow us to stabilize extensions and given the track record of crashes due to extensions it looks worth to do [19:05] Any questions on these? [19:05] < toobuntu> QUESTION: Are Ubuntu packaged Firefox extensions meant to replace the -install-global-extension option? There seem to often be issues with permissions and configs, and they globals just haven't work out well for me in a multiuser environment. [19:06] right the install global option is not really working properly [19:06] packages don't replace it, but its the better approach for distributing extensions [19:06] ok lets go on [19:07] * waiting on questions * [19:08] OK, lets move one. What was done in hardy? [19:09] In hardy we started to package extensions using our new mozilla-devscripts helpers that make packaging quite easy [19:09] we will use this helper to package the example later on [19:09] anyway, It was hard work, especially since most extensions were not yet available for firefox 3. [19:10] But thanks to the hard work of contributors we managed to get more extensions into the archive than ever before. [19:10] An overview of packages can be seen on the firefox 3 extension page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Firefox3Extensions which is used to document the data needed to properly maintain extensions in ubuntu. [19:11] so in short, I would declare this a victory and i want to express my thanks to all involved in making that happen [19:11] However, we are still not where we would like to be and for intrepid we are planning to scale this up. [19:12] Based on our experiences from the hardy cycle we discussed how to better automize the extension packaging process. [19:12] which is a requirement to maintain as many extensions as possible in the future with as little manpower as possible. [19:13] of course we will still need you on the manpower side ;) [19:13] as not everything can be done automatically [19:14] For those intereseted the (not yet finished) current state of that discussion can be found on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Firefox3Extensions/LargeScaleMaintenance [19:14] Any questions? [19:15] < toobuntu> QUESTION: If we encounter an extension that is not already packaged, we should make an effort to package it, then? Please tell us what's involved... [19:15] i think we will come to that later. but basically all starts with adding the extension to the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Firefox3Extensions wiki page and gather all the data in the table [19:16] once that is done and everything is available, the packaging can start. [19:16] its not even required that you do the packaging on your own. getting the data is often harder than packaging itself [19:16] :) [19:16] especially sorting out licensing ;) [19:16] Next [19:17] < MiSc0110> QUESTION: Are this packaged extensions for Firefox only, or are they for Thunderbird too? [19:17] currently we focussed on extensions for firefox [19:18] but that doesn't mean that we won't do the same for thunderbird in future. [19:18] I agree, that we should add a similar wiki page for thunderbird extensions. the process will be similar and we can certainly maintain include thunderbird extensions in our intrepid work [19:19] Next [19:19] (if you are interested in particular thunderbird extensions, please come to #ubuntu-mozillateam channel and ask there) [19:20]