[06:41] <dholbach> good morning
[07:06] <crevette> hello
[07:06] <seb128> lut crevette
[07:07] <crevette> salut seb128
[08:08] <dholbach> hey mvo
[08:09] <dholbach> hi glatzor, hi siti
[08:09] <mvo> hey dholbach!
[08:12] <glatzor> mornign dholbach and mvo!
[08:12] <mvo> hey glatzor!
[08:12] <slomo_> *sigh* so hardy doesn't install recommends by default... giving quite a few bugs on banshee because it only supports ipods if a recommended package is installed
[08:12] <slomo_> didn't hardy install recommends by default in the beginning?!
[08:12] <mvo> no, never did
[08:12] <mvo> only for meta-packages
[08:13] <mvo> (recommends for ubuntu-desktop were installed for example)
[08:13] <slomo_> ok, great ;)
[08:13] <slomo_> calls for a SRU :P
[08:13] <mvo> first upload to intrepid will enable recommends
[08:13] <mvo> heh :)
[08:13] <mvo> right
[08:16] <dholbach> seb128: 5-a-day is now translateable! :)
[08:16] <seb128> dholbach: waouh!
[08:28] <siti> dholbach: hi
[10:57] <pochu> seb128_, lool, slomo_: any Python application you would like to see packaged? :)
[11:40] <xhaker> gmorning all
[12:29] <seb128_> hey xhaker
[12:42] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: so, if on a dist-upgrade, a video card gets blacklisted against compiz, is that a bug or a feature?
[12:43] <Amaranth> ah, you have an ati laptop
[12:43] <Amaranth> well if you file a bug i'll dupe it to the one closed Won't Fix so...
[12:44] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: so, what is my friend to do, who quite likes her effects, and doesn't want them gone?
[12:45] <Amaranth> use fglrx or SKIP_CHECKS=yes in ~/.config/compiz/compiz-manager
[12:53] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: where are the instructions for that for a user, not a dev?
[12:54] <Amaranth> there are none because there is a reason we blocked it
[12:54] <Amaranth> If you figure out enough to get to SKIP_CHECKS you know enough to know not to report bugs, I hope.
[13:00] <Hobbsee> so which fglrx does she need to use, and why wasn't it installed with the dist-upgrade?
[13:00] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: ^
[13:01] <Amaranth> 1) fglrx only works with r300 and newer (so 9200 and older are out) and 2) it is just as likely to break suspend as fix compiz
[13:02] <Amaranth> Yes, this is technically a regression from 7.10 but I'd rather have people complain about losing their effects then complain about not-so-random lockups that cause dataloss
[13:02] <Amaranth> Seeing how this is an LTS and lots of people will not be upgrading when 8.10 comes out and fixes the problem
[13:06] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: was this release noted anywhere?
[13:06] <Amaranth> Probably not
[13:07] <Hobbsee> Why not?
[13:08] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: it definetly doesn't look release noted.
[13:09] <Amaranth> Because I didn't think losing special effects was worse it, I guess
[13:10] <Hobbsee> hmmm.  how many user questions have there been about no more effects, and how to get them back, i wonder...
[13:10] <Hobbsee> anyway, will tell the friend
[13:16] <Amaranth> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~agd5f/drm/log/?h=r345-cleanup <--the work we need to get these cards enabled again
[13:17] <Amaranth> too bad that didn't happen a month ago :/
[13:42] <shashi>  I am using Ubuntu 8.04 64-bit version, if i install any 32-bit applications like browsers, datbase clients ...etc. The 32-bit based applications not able to reach /etc/resolv.conf file to communicate to the network. Any one tell me how to resolve this issue ?
[13:42] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: right.  SRU'able, or?
[13:42] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: Up to bryce
[13:42] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: *nod*
[13:42] <Amaranth> and may not fix our issues, he was having people try out some patches before
[13:43] <Amaranth> and i think those are the patches
[13:43] <Hobbsee> shashi: see what i said to you in #ubuntu-devel
[13:43] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: ahhh
[15:29] <Hobbsee> bug 8896
[15:29] <Hobbsee> bah
[17:39] <Amaranth> bug 8896
[17:39] <Amaranth> :)
[17:56] <mvo> Amaranth: *cough* intrepid
[17:56] <Amaranth> eh?
[17:56] <Amaranth> Oh, you mean don't call it 8.10?
[17:57] <Amaranth> If we miss the release date I'll go back and rename it :)
[17:58] <Amaranth> hardy sounded cool, intrepid just doesn't have the same feeling
[18:13] <mvo> any anyone think of a reason why gtk.events_pending() might hang?
[19:21] <mvo> seb128: can you think of any reason why "while (gtk_events_pending()) gtk_main_iteration();" might hang? in python-gtk, but I don't think that this matters
[19:51] <seb128> mvo: no