[00:11] are we going to have ext4 support in intrepid? [00:11] * calc notices Fedora9 has preliminary support already === ubottu is now known as ubotuu [00:11] calc: Until there are guarantees about the on-disk format being stable, I doubt it [00:12] mjg59: oh so the 2.6.25 merge wasn't the final on-disk format? === ubotuu is now known as ubottu [00:13] mjg59: I roughly read that the last on-disk format changes are being merged into .25? [00:13] heh he beat me to it [00:13] well 2.6.25 just was released so i suppose they don't really know for certain yet ;) [00:14] jdong: The last planned ones [00:14] Which doesn't mean there are none [00:15] It still registers as ext4dev, rather than ext4 [00:15] mjg59: ah, I see :) [00:15] oh ok [00:15] mjg59: do you follow ext4 development personally? [00:15] Not heavily [00:15] cool === danielm_ is now known as danielm === thegodfather is now known as fabbione [06:41] good morning [06:41] morning [06:41] hi emgent [06:42] heya dholbach, all ready for intrepid UDS ? :) [06:42] yeah :-) [06:43] go intrepid go heheh [06:43] ROCK :-)) [06:44] dholbach: saw http://www.seqfault.de/blog/index.php?/archives/87-Einfach-mal-Danke-sagen.html ? [06:45] yeah - that's awesome [06:45] * jdong still awaits his t-shirt with that :D [06:45] hehehe [06:45] heya jdong [06:45] cjwatson o/ [06:45] yo [06:45] jdong: nice [06:47] morning [06:48] ok when you people start waking up it's a sign I need to start sleeping. [06:49] * emgent hungry [06:59] Good morning [06:59] heya pitti [06:59] Say, anyone know when repos will be opening? (approx.) [07:00] Riddell: good, I'll process the queue now every morning anyway :) [07:00] jdong: Same :) [07:00] emgent, ! [07:00] emgent, impressing [07:00] * tonyyarusso is amused that he's on the list of people in that pic, and therefore would consider buying such a t-shirt if it existed [07:01] tonyyarusso: im guessing when its ready :) [07:01] hehe, likely [07:03] ogra: ? [07:03] jdong: the more curious question is, where do these people who sleep normal hours come from? [07:04] emgent, the link :) [07:04] oh lol :) [07:04] :) [07:06] * bimberi sees his name and dances a little jig [07:07] right in the middle of "Thank" :) [07:23] tonyyarusso: matter of days [07:23] tonyyarusso: the toolchain is well in progress [07:41] cjwatson: ah, cool [07:54] slangasek: question for you - for 8.04.1 would updates to the binary drivers -nvidia and -fglrx be possible, or is that too much risk? [07:54] (I don't have a strong opinion, but if it's not feasible, I'll un-milestone bugs that would require such updates) [07:58] we're in discussions with AMD about fglrx, for the record; I asked in the last call if we might be able to push back on intrusive changes and get a minimally-branched version, though haven't had an answer on that yet [07:58] (our discussions with AMD are unfortunately NDAed) [07:58] cjwatson: ok we can talk more on it tomorrow [07:59] oh, meh, yeah, we have a call this afternoon [07:59] cjwatson: I guess EnvyNG is also available as an option now [07:59] bryce: anything special for it? [07:59] (the call, that is) [07:59] cjwatson: not from my end [08:00] cjwatson: I think their engineers have "can't reproduce"'d the five bugs I sent to them [08:01] bryce: IMHO yes, binary driver updates are something we need to be able to accomodate in the SRU policy elsewise so there's no reason fglrx/nvidia shouldn't be candidates so long as we get reasonable SRU verification [08:02] s/binary driver/black box executable/ [08:02] slangasek: ok good to know. [08:03] bryce: BTW, Alberto prepared some l-r-m-envy packages, I'll take a look at them today [08:04] bryce: bug 221304 FYI [08:04] Launchpad bug 221304 in envyng-core "EnvyNG installs Ubuntu's lrm but it should install its own packages" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/221304 [08:05] pitti: excellent [08:05] bryce: we should also think about backporting some new jockey features to hardy once they land in intrepid [08:06] bryce: like proposing new drivers for pinpointed hardware (not generally upgrading fglrx for everyone) [08:06] bryce: but that's way post-UDS [08:06] * bryce nods [08:07] pitti: being able to install one version of -fglrx for some hardware and a different version for other hardware would solve one or two wishlist bugs too [08:20] argh, hardy isn't released for a week, and already the first ABI bump in -proposed? *sob* [08:21] haha [08:21] i'ts the crack. [08:21] * tonyyarusso guesses there will be more changes than usual between now and 8.04.1 [08:22] tonyyarusso: yes, absolutely, since we throw a lot of resources at it [08:22] Right, and the fact that there are certain things (ie, Firefox) that are a big deal and will certainly need them. [08:23] pitti: I think our choices were to have it the week after release, or the week of RC ;) [08:24] slangasek: BTW, would you have a chance to look at the hardy-proposed jockey upload? it currently breaks X for people without an xorg.conf [08:25] pitti: "it currently" -> "the version in hardy"? [08:25] slangasek: yes [08:26] tonyyarusso: do you have specific firefox issues in hardy? [08:26] pitti: ok - will look, yes [08:26] slangasek: thanks; I mailed you about it with some details yesterday [08:26] slangasek: I just wasn't sure whom to bother for my own SRUs [08:27] seb128: One minor one that I notice most of the time, but I was under the impression that the point release will include the FF3 final - is that incorrect? [08:27] slangasek: (erm, s/whom/who/, right?) [08:27] whom is correct :) [08:27] argh, Launchpad, where are thou?? [08:28] tonyyarusso: it'll be considered yes, can't say for sure until saying what they actually change and if that's suitable for a stable update, but that should be alright [08:28] s/saying/seeing [08:28] tonyyarusso: but you say that's a big deal, so you have real issues right now? [08:29] seb128: the URL classifier is a fairly major one, I think [08:30] seb128: makes sense. As far as current issues, the most prominent throughout the cycle has been the some images showing black at certain resizings. Haven't tested in FF since release though, only Ephy. [08:30] tonyyarusso: those were due to xorg and should be fixed in hardy === cprov-afk is now known as cprov [08:31] cjwatson: not denying there is some issues, I was just curious to know if tonyyarusso has some specifics one or if the comment was just about hardy having a candidate version rather than the official stable one [08:31] * StevenK thinks of Gimp in Gutsy [08:32] StevenK: you have been marked by this one apparenly ;-) [08:32] seb128: hmm, had one earlier today in ephy, so if it's xorg I would think that had gone away. I'm not going to pretend my testing has been sufficient to say anything for sure though, and my environment is far from clean, given that it's been continuously upgraded since the repos opened. I note that https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/xorg-server/+bug/182038 does indeed claim fix released. [08:32] Launchpad bug 182038 in xulrunner-1.9 "Black rectangle instead of image in FF3 [Hardy]" [Medium,Fix released] [08:32] seb128: There's no apparently about it ;-) [08:32] heh [08:33] That "is it ready for my girlfriend" posted raised a handful of legitimate points as well. [08:34] does launchpad.net work for other people? it's just stuck for me [08:34] pitti: works for me but I'm using edge [08:34] pitti: edge WFM [08:34] let me try the normal one [08:34] right, in fact it's edge that's stuck for me; https://launchpad.net WFM [08:34] seb128: nevermind, edge it is [08:34] pitti: yes, works fine [08:34] hmm [08:34] * pitti blames his ISP them [08:35] pitti: WFM too. [08:35] Argh, more langpacks [08:35] ah, seems it came back now [08:35] heh [08:35] StevenK: what do you want in front of them? [08:35] ubottu: bug 5 [08:35] Hobbsee: Error: "bug" is not a valid command. [08:35] bug 6 [08:35] Launchpad bug 6 in rosetta ""next 10 entries" at bottom of page" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/6 [08:35] oh good. [08:35] it mostly works, then [08:35] Hobbsee: python-central in the ubuntu-mobile PPA [08:36] pitti, you had an outage too ? [08:36] ogra: yes [08:36] seems somewhere in the telekom network a router fell over [08:36] i cant reach canonical irc atm [08:36] Say, what would be the "proper" way of drumming up support for a Blueprint if it's been pretty much ignored so far? [08:37] * Hobbsee fiddles, flicks a few switches [08:38] Hobbsee: thallium has picked it up, thanks [08:38] (thallium is an element? Blink) [08:38] tonyyarusso, send money to people :) [08:38] tonyyarusso, beer is also a ood bribe [08:39] *good [08:39] ogra: You know, I could do that, although it would only be a token bit of funding, not a fair rate for their time. [08:40] StevenK: your python-central is served. [08:40] StevenK: enjoy [08:40] I'm told telepathy (which wasn't really mainstream when I first had the thought) should make it a lot easier. === DreamThi1f is now known as DreamThief [09:02] dear deutsche telekom, please fix your network ! [09:02] :) [09:02] *sigh* [09:03] firt the routing was f*cked ... now the DNS is gone [09:03] *first [09:06] ogra: use opendns, those are fast and usually reliable [09:07] raaaaah [09:07] the trick is to not use telekom [09:08] and to not use arcor [09:08] did anyone ever try to paste an IP in the xchat serverlist ? [09:08] its impossible by design [09:08] unbelivable [09:08] (as soon as you click an entry it automatically gets the selection and wipes the paste buffer) [09:10] ogra: use irssi, this one let you connect to IPs :) [09:10] <\sh> ogra, don't you have any cable tv provider next to your house? [09:10] Company, i have a buisness SDSL line, there is no other provider offering that at a feasable price [09:11] <\sh> ogra, and xchat works here with an ip address ,-) [09:11] \sh, i dont get the upload rates i need at iesy [09:11] <\sh> ogra, sdsl? qsc? [09:11] and i didnt mean to use an ip [09:11] i men to copy paste an ip in the server list instead of the server name [09:12] thats impossible [09:12] you have to type it in any case [09:12] <\sh> well, xchat is evil anyways ,-) [09:12] since selecting the entry will wipe your paste buffer [09:12] <\sh> ogra, more funny, you enter anything into the serverlist, and if you don't press key, and click on "ok" it throws away the change [09:13] \sh, i have a 2 year contract with telekom with guaranteed uptimes and direct support (no call center) [09:13] i.e. a business line [09:13] <\sh> ogra, but telekom... [09:13] \sh, yeah, thats another oddity [09:13] (serverlist) [09:14] * \sh ports kmyirc to gnome and python...so everything'll be fixed in the future ,-) [09:15] heh [09:15] well, i usually dont have probs with xchat [09:15] since i rarely change the config :) [09:19] * \sh fights with bacula... [09:19] Spads, are there known probs with irc.c.c ? it kicks me out all the time after some seconds [09:20] ogra: no known problems I can see [09:20] hmm, ok, must be my side then === emu is now known as emu1982 [09:20] anyway this is a question for #canonical-sysadmins, not here [09:21] Spads, oh, sorry [09:21] ogra: that said, I'll just point out that I'm having some net connection problems here at home, so it may be that there's some general routing problems in europe right now [09:22] yeah [09:22] i had some before already [09:22] then DNS didnt resolve anything outside of germany ... [09:22] now it looks like its back but i get kicked out all the time ... probably not over yet [09:23] * ogra wil just wait [09:23] *will [09:23] yeah, I'm getting *terrible* packet loss right out of the gate here [09:29] mvo: noticed in python-apt: [09:29] locale = os.getenv("LANG", default="en.UK") [09:29] mvo: shouldn't that be en_GB? UK isn't a valid country code [09:30] (not that it matters much, since most people will have LANG set) [09:31] cjwatson: that looks wrong, let me check that [09:33] mvo: discovered while trying to figure out where bug 221644 lived [09:33] Launchpad bug 221644 in python-apt "ftp.caliu.info mirror borked" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/221644 === StevenK_ is now known as StevenK [09:35] cjwatson: I was wondering why you digged into those dusty corners in pyhton-apt ;) the mirror list ist just a file, if the mirror is dead, I can remove it from the list and prepare a sru [09:37] mjg59: I've been following DebuggingGNOMEPowerManager - a nice read [09:37] Sending the message directly to DBus, things work fine [09:38] They also work fine via the "Quit" menu item, and the "Suspend" button now [09:38] I did a recursive-reset of GPM settings to make sure I wasn't using some old settings [09:38] Closing the lid still has the same problem [09:39] I don't understand [09:39] mvo: how do you keep it up to date? ideally I'd have a full list in choose-mirror too [09:39] cjwatson: I have a small script that gets them from launchpad, give me a sec, I dig it out [09:40] if you could mail it to me that'd be lovely [09:40] sure === emu1982 is now known as emu [09:42] Anyone know a magical dbus-send incantation to turn on a backlight? === emu is now known as emu1982 [09:56] hello [09:56] i need some help with the ubuntu kernel build proccess [09:56] am i at the right place here? [09:57] fs_: try #ubuntu-kernel [09:57] fs_, #ubuntu-kernel might be better [09:57] ok [10:07] doko: any idea about http://launchpadlibrarian.net/14036302/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.cdbs_0.4.52ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ? [10:09] pitti: not yet, have to look === emu1982 is now known as emu === emu is now known as emu1982 === emu1982 is now known as emu === emu is now known as emu1982 [10:35] * hunger wonders whether he should switch to intrepid... [10:37] if you enjoy having a broken system [10:37] (it won't be broken right now, but will be as soon as we start the autosync) [10:38] i can't believe i'm actually pondering not running intrepid until alpha 5 or so. [10:38] * ogra usually upgrades a week after uds [10:38] Hobbsee: WHy is that? [10:38] will hardy is sooo boring. No new packages, nothing:-( [10:39] hunger, you could fix bugs for 8.04.1 ;) [10:39] Do you have something _useful_ to do with your computer, or other crazy reason? [10:39] RAOF: undecided how much dev work i'll end up doing. although presumably i'll start with gnome stuff. [10:39] that will give you even new packages in -updates [10:39] RAOF: not overly. the stupid uni ports stuff means there's no point taking it there [10:39] ogra: Nah, that is your job. I do report bugs, but I don't have the time to fix them for you. [10:40] hunger, but yu have time to be bored by missing updates ? come on :) [10:40] Well, actually I only report bugs when they are more pain to me than using LP:-) [10:41] Hobbsee: Hm. [10:41] hunger: there is a mail interface. [10:41] It won't be the same without you ;) [10:41] no, no Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!™ [10:42] ogra: that was my old habit. [10:43] ogra: Well, usually you do not break stuff that really manages to stop me from using my toy-box. [10:44] ogra: And managing my own packages (like git-core which is too old in hardy) takes time as well. [10:45] at the risk of stating the obvious, anyone in #ubuntu-devel is at least implicitly accepting responsibility for doing some development. :-) [10:46] * ogra adds a if [ "$(id -un)" = "hunger" ]; do break_in_mysterous_ways .... to all his packages [10:46] err [10:46] s/do/then [10:46] ogra: Feel free to do that. [10:46] heh [10:46] ogra: IRC_nick != login_name ;-) [10:49] Can anyone please comment if bug 199116 will qualify for SRU? [10:49] Launchpad bug 199116 in vinagre "Can not send 'Ctrl+Alt+Del'" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199116 [11:04] what's the ubuntu xrandr tool called? [11:04] the xrandr tool is called xrandr. [11:04] hmm, I've had two reports of bug 221635 now [11:04] Riddell: you probably want gnome-display-properties [11:05] cjwatson: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out [11:05] lp seems down [11:05] just slow [11:05] or extra slow at least [11:05] just worked up to 30 seconds ago, now it's stuck here, too [11:06] I'd love to know why a signal handler installed with sigaction (SIGCHLD, ...) is getting signum != SIGCHLD [11:06] anyone have any idea what might be going on there? [11:06] slytherin, where is the fix in that bug ? [11:07] ogra: I am preparing it with the patch in upstream bugzilla. [11:07] without patch nobody can tell you if it justifies for an SRU :) [11:08] ogra: Ok. I will create the fix, test the package myself and then upload the debdiff. [11:08] slytherin: GNOME 2.22.2 will be uploaded to hardy so you might want to not bother and wait a few weeks [11:09] oh, there is an upstream task on it, right [11:10] seb128_: I will have to ask vinagre maintainer if he is going to do a release before that. Meanwhile I will provide a fix in my ppa anyway for those in need. Is that fine? [11:10] slytherin, the upstream bug already has a commit entry [11:10] right [11:10] it'll not be fixed in stable though [11:10] no need to put work into it [11:10] seb128_, no SRU ? [11:10] since it breaks the string freeze apparently [11:11] ogra: not sure if we have a sru policy about not breaking translations in stable [11:11] + { "MachineSendCtrlAltDel", GTK_STOCK_ABOUT, N_("Send CtrlAltDel"), NULL, [11:11] ogra: + N_("Send Ctrl+Alt+Del to active connection"), G_CALLBACK (vinagre_cmd_machine_send_ctrlaltdel) }, [11:11] if you drop "Send" its working for most langs [11:12] ogra: not really, and it would be ugly [11:12] indeed [11:12] my point is upstream will not fix it in GNOME 2.22.2 so yes we need to sru it if we want the change [11:12] though I'm not decided if breaking translations in stable is a good idea [11:13] or adding new strings in this case [11:13] I guess we will have regular language pack updates so if it's done early before 8.04.1 why not [11:38] seb128_: ogra: As of now, the fix is made in 2.23.x branch in upstream svn. I will write mail to upstream author asking if it will be available in the version in GNOME 2.22.2. [11:38] slytherin, seb explained before that its not suitable for an SRU [11:38] it breaks translations [11:39] ogra: But if it is part of GNOME 2.22.2, then it is fine right? [11:39] it isnt [11:39] read what seb128_ wrote above [11:40] ogra: I read it, but I misunderstood [11:41] slytherin, the transaltion thing has to be clearified before a decision can be made at al [11:42] ogra: Ok. For now I will just upload the package to my ppa. === lamont` is now known as lamont [12:22] Hi all, is there any russian here? I would like a second opinion on bug #220112 [12:22] Launchpad bug 220112 in wubi "Default keyboard variant for Russian ought to be "winkeys"" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220112 [12:29] slytherin: do you think it's an import feature or something many users requested? [12:30] xivulon: surely that's a console-setup bug rather than anything wubi-specific [12:30] seb128_, you need ctrl-alt-del for windows logins [12:31] seb128_: in my opinion it is regression because xvncviewer has option to send ctrl + alt + del. And from my experience using vnc for last 4 years, you need it 70% of the time. :-) [12:31] xivulon: ah, never mind, already filed on console-setup [12:31] slytherin: doing a sru seems to be a good idea then [12:32] slytherin: we want those sort of fixes for 8.04.1 and it can be translated in rosetta if uploaded soon enough [12:33] seb128_: Ok. I have created a package and testing it. How do I update .pot file? [12:34] the package uses cdbs and the gnome rule so it's done automatically [12:35] you just need to make sure the source is listed in the POTFILES.in [12:36] seb128_: I will be back in 20 minutes. Will get back if I have probolem. [12:36] ok [12:36] you can just look to the pot after the build and make sure it contains the new strings [12:39] 00000419 [12:39] cjwatson, is it ok if I set it invalid for wubi then? When I see windows keyboard #00000419 I will only preseed local=ru without variant [12:40] locale=ru [12:40] which is what I am doing already [12:40] xivulon: if Windows has two different keyboard layouts, one of which corresponds to ru and one of which corresponds to ru:winkeys, then there would be a reason to do something in wubi [12:40] xivulon: otherwise, just console-setup/layoutcode=ru is appropriate, and wubi shouldn't override it [12:41] yeah that is what I asked, but had no reply. From what I can gather 00000419=ru+winkeys, not sure if there is another code for ru-winkeys. But I would doubt it [12:42] since normally windows code for explicit variants are a bit different === seb128_ is now known as seb128 === fta_ is now known as fta [13:12] seb128: 2 questions. 1. I have built the package with 'dpkg-buildpackage -b' and tested it. The .pot change doesn't reflect in debdiff, is that fine? 2. Should I have release as 'hardy-proposed' in changelog? [13:17] pitti, hi [13:32] Riddell, hi [13:32] Hi Till [13:33] dneary, hi [13:33] Should acpid and apmd both be activated in 8.04 for power management to work? [13:34] I'm struggling with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/223848 [13:34] dneary: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out [13:34] apmd is a noop usually [13:34] I'm also struggling to figure out why a printer shared by a Mac, which worked fine until I upgraded, is no longer getting automatically picked up [13:34] only there for systems that actually do apm, else it wont even start up [13:35] I'm working around the suspend issue, my remaining issues are the printer and sound (which isn't working at all) [13:35] ogra: So there's no harm in leaving it checked, then? [13:38] hi tkamppeter [13:38] Riddell: Who is your relief today for the archive? I missed one package yesterday (I'll upload it in a moment). [13:38] ScottK: seb128, but I can do it [13:38] dneary, checked ? where ? [13:38] Riddell: Thanks. I'll ping you after it's uploaded then. [13:39] ogra: In System->Administration->Services [13:39] ah, yes [13:39] its automated, you can leave it on [13:40] OK, printer OK [13:40] Next: sound [13:42] I am using Ubuntu 8.04 64-bit version, if i install any 32-bit applications like browsers, datbase clients ...etc. The 32-bit based applications not able to reach /etc/resolv.conf file to communicate to the network. Any one tell me how to resolve this issue ? [13:42] shashi: this is not a support channel, and you have no need to put it into multiple channels at once [13:42] shashi: please read the /topic. [13:48] Riddell: claws-mail uploaded to gutsy-backports, please accept it. I'd also appreciate it if you would backport devscripts from Intrepid to Hardy (I've tested it - can file a bug if you want it). [13:50] hmmm [13:50] alsamixer looks fine [13:50] But even catting a wav to /dev/audio doesn't give me any noise [13:51] ScottK: done [13:51] Riddell: Thanks. [14:00] doko, it seems gcc 4.2 is not upgradable in intrepid without trashing a part of gnome. is it just me or is it a known issue ? [14:00] it seems a little early to be worried about upgradeability in intrepid [14:00] it's going to be much more spectacularly broken soon enough, for a while [14:00] cjwatson: except for any of those who are insane enough to run it. [14:01] cjwatson: Hardy was never particularly broken. [14:02] * \sh loves xorg breakage ... regarding one of our last cycles while our Xorg maintainers were transforming xorg into something better ,-) [14:04] Did anything replace logrotate in 7.10? [14:05] I have some huge log files (messages, syslog, debug.log, daemon.log) that should have been rotated out by now. [14:05] I assume that's the wrong external dependency of python-gobject on libffi4 [14:07] doko, looks like it [14:09] doko, or libffi4 itself [14:11] Riddell, are you already in contact with Alex and Lars? [14:11] hi [14:11] tkamppeter: lars yes, we had a good chat yesterday evening, he seems to know what to do [14:11] tkamppeter: alex I'm yet to hear from [14:12] is there a way to invoke language-selector the command line way only (without a X session) ? [14:12] tkamppeter: lars is on #openusability [14:13] Riddell, Lars has already done good work for the new foomatic-rip, which is the most important point to let Intrepid use PDF as standard print job data format. I was VERY content with him. [14:13] OK - so it's still logrotate, it's run through cron.daily, which would run if my computer wasn't suspended overnight, and there doesn't seem to be any recipe to rotate syslog, daemon.log, kern.log, debug, auth.log, or messages [14:13] Riddell, you are chatting there currently with him? Will enter the channnel. [14:14] Riddell, what about Alex, did you contact him and he did not answer or what is the problem? [14:21] doko, 4.2.3-4ubuntu1 doesn't seem to be complete. http://paste.ubuntu.com/8924/ are those libs no longer built ? [14:29] pedro_: can you renew my membership to ubuntu-bugcontrol? [14:29] Amaranth: no way! [14:29] haha [14:29] fta: no [14:29] Amaranth: give me a min ;-) [14:29] thanks :) [14:32] Anyone mind sending me their default /etc/logrotate.conf, please? [14:34] Amaranth: you're welcome, it's done now :-) === sucitrams is now known as sucitrams_ === sucitrams_ is now known as sucitrams [14:34] pedro_: woohoo, now i can keep marking serious usability bugs as wishlist [14:35] hahaha [14:47] OK - I think the sound problem is fixed [14:49] pitti, hi [14:54] hey tkamppeter, how are you? [14:56] fine. [14:56] I want to know about bug 217787. [14:56] Launchpad bug 217787 in samba "cups crashes when using web-gui and refuses to print" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217787 [15:03] pitti, If the user has not pam_smbpass installed, CUPS does not work correctly for him, if he has this PAM module installed, CUPS crashes in the module. [15:04] doko, no as in "it's a wanted change" or no as in "it's a bug". It seems to me that your "regenerate control file" was a bit too aggressive. all the libs are correctly built but they no longer have a deb associated. [15:15] fta: no, it's not a bug, the soname did change [15:18] doko, eh?? i'm talking about this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8944/ seems to be much more than a soname change [15:18] or did i miss something? [15:19] E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg received a segmentation fault. [15:19] Just after unpacking sudo [15:19] pitti: ^ [15:19] And no crash report, damn [15:21] lool: ugh, dpkg crash? [15:21] Yeah [15:21] lool: do you have apport enabled? [15:21] yes [15:21] I'm trying it again [15:21] This time, it's stuck [15:21] Or busy for a long while [15:22] Hmm dmesg wont run, but I can run top; weird [15:23] The system is foobar [15:23] that seems seriously screwed [15:23] lool: (FUBAR, you mean? :-) ) [15:24] * lool reboots [15:26] pitti: Dépaquetage de la mise à jour de sudo ... [15:26] Erreur de segmentation [15:27] (segfault) [15:27] reproducable [15:27] And still no crash [15:27] * pitti removes ~/ubuntu/sudo/debian/patches/dpkg_overflow_exploit.patch [15:28] pitti: but kill -segving a bash does produce a crash file [15:28] lool: anything in /var/log/apport.log? does the dpkg crash at leats appear there? [15:28] No [15:29] pitti: Could it be that dpkg registers a segv handler? [15:29] I don't know how the kernel machinery works [15:29] lool: theoretically yes, but the stderr output looks fairly standard [15:29] lool: do you get a segfault in dmesg? [15:29] * pitti dist-upgrades to sudo hardy-proposed [15:29] I get an OOPS in dmesg indeed [15:29] So it's kernel stuff [15:29] [ 125.486444] invalid opcode: 0000 [#1] SMP [15:30]