[00:01] <LaserJock> osmosis: how do you mean?
[00:01] <osmosis> LaserJock: its just strange, because everyone I talk to about ruby on rails says that is not the right way to do it. So Im trying to figure out why the official documentation recommends that, and what components it is installing exactly.
[00:02] <LaserJock> osmosis: ah, well maybe that needs to be discussed then
[00:03] <LaserJock> osmosis: the best way would be to email the ubuntu-doc mailing list
[00:03] <LaserJock> if something's wrong or there's a better way we want to hear about it :-)
[00:04] <LaserJock> although there's not a lot on that page, I don't know why it'd be wrong
[00:05] <osmosis> LaserJock: mostly because the gems package will generate conflicts with apt.
[00:05] <osmosis> LaserJock: but is there a way to talk to the author of the page to see what he had in mind, or see why he thinks this is the correct way to do the install ?
[00:05] <LaserJock> osmosis: yes, the mailing list is the best way to get ahold of people
[00:05] <LaserJock> osmosis: we generally don't recommend gems
[00:05] <LaserJock> though a lot of people use them
[00:06] <LaserJock> we generally prefer people install stuff we've packaged
[00:06] <osmosis> LaserJock: that like using ubuntu and saying you dont recommend apt-get.  Very hard to use rails without using gems.
[00:06] <LaserJock> no, use apt-get to install rails
[00:07] <osmosis> LaserJock: how do you get gems later then ?
[00:07] <LaserJock> why do you need them?
[00:07] <osmosis> LaserJock: using apt-get essentially disables  gem install
[00:07] <osmosis> LaserJock: most rails programmers build apps that require gems
[00:07] <LaserJock> and they can't be installed via apt-get?
[00:07] <osmosis> LaserJock: in the same way that most ubuntu admins require apt-get.
[00:08] <LaserJock> like I said, most developers would prefer that people use the software we've packaged up
[00:08] <LaserJock> though we may need to look more at Ruby specifically as it is pretty common for people to use gems
[00:09] <osmosis> yup. cool.
[00:09] <LaserJock> osmosis: so, currently I think the doc is the way it is because we assume people want to install software we've packaged
[00:09] <LaserJock> whether that is really the case for Ruby may need discussion
[00:09] <LaserJock> so it'd probably be worth an email :-)
[00:11] <osmosis> LaserJock: its a bit irronic that the package would exists and not be supported at the same time.  rubygems - package management framework for Ruby libraries/applications
[00:11] <LaserJock> well
[00:12] <LaserJock> we actually had a bit of a fight over that
[00:12] <LaserJock> many developers didn't want to allow it, others did ...
[00:13] <LaserJock> I don't think apt-get kills gems altogether
[00:14] <LaserJock> but you probably want to use one or the other as you'd probably end up with multiple versions of libraries and possibly conflicts
[05:02] <punisher> Hi all!
[05:03] <punisher> any body here?
[05:25] <robotgeek> punisher: yes
[06:33] <punisher> robotgeek: sorry, my english no good
[06:33] <punisher> I`m russian =)
[18:00] <melter> how do i create an account to edit the wiki?
[18:08] <melter> anyone?
[18:33] <seisen> do you have a launchpad account?
[19:03] <kirkland> melter: you need a Launchpad.net account
[19:16] <melter> kirkland, when i click the "create an account" link, i get an error message
[19:16] <melter> "launchpad.ubuntu.com uses an invalid security certificate."
[19:17] <melter> "The certificate is only valid for launchpad.net."
[19:17] <melter> etc....
[19:17] <kirkland> melter: :-)  that just means that the SSL certificate is self-signed
[19:17] <kirkland> melter: you should be able to "add an exception"
[19:17] <melter> ok, i'm not familiar with the new firefox 3 interface
[19:17] <melter> didn't that used to be a popup?
[19:18] <kirkland> melter: it did
[19:18] <kirkland> melter: i'm not a big fan of the new way
[19:18] <kirkland> melter: too many clicks for my taste :-/
[19:18] <melter> same here :(
[19:19] <melter> maybe that's the point, though, to make us really think about it
[19:20] <melter> what's launchpad?
[19:25] <kirkland> melter: if you're looking for something to document, that might be a decent little one to start with ;-)
[19:25] <kirkland> melter: a screen shot or two would do, if there's not already a page in the wiki on it
[19:26] <melter> kirkland, all i wanted to do was fix a typo
[19:33] <melter> i got an account, but now the server seems to be down
[19:51] <melter> are the spelling errors i get from "Check Spelling" only for the page i'm editing?
[19:55] <melter> can anyone use the "Add checked words to dictionary" button?
[20:06] <melter> what a rush
[20:09] <melter> do my changes need to be approved by anyone?
[20:14] <LaserJock> melter: what page are you editing?
[20:16] <melter> LaserJock, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DynamicFirewall
[20:16] <melter> see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DynamicFirewall?action=diff&rev2=13&rev1=12
[20:17] <melter> just typos, but there's a big difference between iptables and iptbales
[20:20] <LaserJock> melter: yeah, just go ahead and save that kind of stuff
[20:20] <LaserJock> melter: and thanks for helping out :-)
[20:21] <melter> np
[20:33] <melter> does the bread-crumb trail show the hierarchy? it almost seems to be working as a history
[20:53] <LaserJock> melter: yeah, I believe it's juat a history of where you've been
[20:54] <LaserJock> melter: the hierarchy is in the URL
[23:43] <jablko> what is the correct way to link from the ubuntu wiki to an ubuntu package page?
[23:44] <jablko> is there an "interwiki" macro for that?
[23:44] <LaserJock> I don't think there is
[23:44] <LaserJock> where are you wanting to link to? packages.ubuntu.com or launchpad.net?
[23:52] <jablko> LaserJock: packages.ubuntu.com
[23:53] <jablko> well, either really
[23:53] <jablko> i just want the package name in my wiki page to link to something useful...
[23:54] <LaserJock> I think just go ahead and do a a linkk
[23:55] <jablko> LaserJock: cool, thanks
[23:55] <LaserJock> jablko: it would be nice to make sure that it's a generic link though
[23:55] <LaserJock> not specific to a release so that we don't have to keep updating it for instance
[23:55] <jablko> totally