=== ubottu is now known as ubotuu === ubotuu is now known as ubottu [00:20] Jazzva: there? [00:22] žep [00:22] yep [00:25] the puzzle icon is GFDL [00:25] that I think is the most incorrect free license for images... btw... the resultant license must be the same? [00:26] in the wikipedia page there is indicated this license but there are no more info on the image.. maybe someone have placed the default one without check? [00:26] let me try to find it :/ [00:26] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Wiki_puzzle.svg [00:27] there is the link to the license [00:30] Would this be useful? http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Wiki_letter_s.svg [00:30] It says it's in public domain... [00:31] I suppose you could rotate that one, and make it green, like the one on proposals :). That's what you did in the first place, right? [00:31] not so much... this one have no shadow [00:32] and the form is not that right, but I can try [00:33] I have opened it... is too simple, in this case I prefer to do a newer puzzle from scratch [00:33] heh :)... Ok, I'll try to find something [00:33] but the GFDL could not be godd? [00:33] /godd/good/ [00:34] Well, I don't think it's ok if you use it with GPL stuff... [00:34] But GFDL alone should be ok. [00:34] the world I have now used (just to update the wiki page) is public domani [00:34] domain, then + puzzle gfdl, i think that the whole will be gfdl [00:36] I suppose ... since it's in public domain. [00:38] Jazzva: the world is what you want, as I say before, my friend release it as is the most useful for our necessite... no problem [00:38] I attach to the wiki also the SVG? I don't want to add too much attachments... [00:41] I don't think it's necessary... [00:44] proposal 1 blue looks good :) [00:47] done, all updated :D [00:47] :) [00:51] Jazzva: you have some contact of jetsaredim? he have voted and I want to notice him that I have changed the icons... but on LP he have no public email [00:51] He's on irc now :). [00:51] At least in the channel, so I suppose he'll read this [00:52] sorry, concentrated on email and don't see he is here... sorry jetsaredim :) [00:52] (hoping he read this) [01:12] when firefox 3 final is released will it make it into hardy? [01:12] pottytheshitter: That's the general plan, yes... [01:13] k thanks [01:19] I go to sleep, good night to all :) [01:19] good night... [01:56] Scripts for automatic bug processing can be bad :/... bug 222391 [01:56] Jazzva: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out [01:57] bug 222391 [01:57] Launchpad bug 222391 in firefox "Sure to crash" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/222391 [01:58] the automatic reply can be a bit confusing to the reporter... "in the previous comments? but there are no previous comments..." [02:06] asac: ping... [04:24] Hi, I'm new to ubuntu, but I've tried searching around for this for awhile. In Firefox, whenever I come to a page with a flash video embedded, instead of loading the video, there's a giant play button. Once I click the play button, the movie loads. This has caused problems for flash based games. Anyone know how to stop that from happening? [please feel free to tell me to go to a different forum...] [04:32] perchik: please file a bug on launchpad using firefox menu iten help than click report a problem and do that for now, Im the only one here and i shouldnt be but i will look at it asap. Can you please also attach a screenshot to the launchpad bug. If you need help filing the bug let me know ill be around for a few minutes atleast [04:34] if you need help please use my name since i wont be looking at this screen mostly. [04:34] I submitted the bug report [04:36] perchik: do you have bug # handy so i can get to it when i strat finishing up [04:37] gnomefreak, #224517 [04:38] bug 224517 [04:38] Launchpad bug 224517 in firefox-3.0 "flash videos show giant play button.." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/224517 [04:38] perchik: thank you [04:39] i will look as ap [04:51] [ersorry it may be tomorrow that i get to it my g/f is yelling at me along with permissions issues for the control file [05:19] night [07:17] bug 215755 [07:17] Launchpad bug 215755 in fontforge "Please sync fontforge 0.0.20080330-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215755 [12:05] asac: im building locales for lightning for ppa what is with the 805 or 806 that you had at end of sunbird-lightning? [12:08] sorry its 804 but why so high for an mt version [12:10] ok i got it [12:13] once built ill push to mozilla ppa, someone wanted them so since its fast and i could use refresher course i did them :) [12:14] gnomefreak: its hardy version (8.04) [12:14] ah [12:14] thanks [12:20] asac: command is dput ppa-mt or is there more to it [12:21] atleast i set ppa-mt in my dput but cant remember if i add the source.changes to the command [12:21] gnomefreak: you need the source.changes as argument too [12:22] thanks [12:23] ok its uploading im gonna eat and i have a meeting in about an hour so im gonna head there when eating is done ill be back before lunch i hope [12:27] bug 197786 [12:27] Launchpad bug 197786 in prism "Prism apps think I'm offline and no way to change it" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197786 [12:31] sounds like the "firefox starts in offline mode bug" [12:32] yep [12:33] but the last commenter said it's still there [12:33] well, that bug is still open too [12:33] its NM not properly detecting online page if you go and configure stuff manually [12:34] s/online page/online state/ [12:34] ok lunchtime for me [12:35] but prism has no UI to switch it on-n-off [12:35] yeah thats unfortunate then ;) [12:36] be back in ~20 min [12:41] yay they are published be back a bit later [12:48] working on sunbird-locales when i get home === fta_ is now known as fta [13:40] bug 191791 [13:41] bug 175904 [13:41] asac: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out [13:41] Launchpad bug 175904 in firefox-3.0 "Firefox-3.0 window moves to current workspace" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175904 [13:41] bug 191791 [13:41] Launchpad bug 191791 in firefox-3.0 "Firefox-3.0 zoomed images and webpages (dup-of: 175904)" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191791 [14:34] asac_, so intrepid is already broken :) [14:37] fta: is it unfrozen? [14:37] gcc 4.2 changed apparently [14:37] http://paste.ubuntu.com/8927/ [14:38] meaning to upgrade gcc 4.2, i have to drop half of gnome [14:39] feature :P [14:41] shit i forgot a few .xpi [14:42] http://ejohn.org/blog/color-profiles/ [14:42] asac_: can i safely make 0ubuntu1mt804 to replace 0ubuntu0mt804 and still be lower than official backport to hardy? [14:54] looks fairly nice to add that support but i dont htink on everyday usage its worth it (does it hinder proformence [15:07] mozilla bug 304048 [15:07] Mozilla bug 304048 in Security: CAPS "xpconnect getters/setters don't have principals until after they pass or fail their security check" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=304048 [15:09] * gnomefreak fixing screw up from not being fully awake earlier [15:12] gnomefreak: no 0ubuntu0804.1 [15:12] aeh [15:12] 0ubuntu0mt804.1 [15:12] [reed], ^^ why isn't this bug committed ? [15:13] fta: I'd suggest that you wait until the toolchain transition is done :) [15:13] oh ok [15:13] the archive needs a respin [15:13] thanks asac_ [15:14] asac_, i'm not stuck/broken, i just report what i see. [15:16] asac_: in sunbirds locales you want me to add all that we dont already to xpi except the mac ones [15:16] gnomefreak: ? [15:17] afaik, there are no .xpis available. i think the translations where created by manually getting them from the upstream tree [15:17] 0.8 locales i guess added some like ja and ka or ko [15:17] gnomefreak: are .xpi files released for 0.8? [15:17] thats what im doing for sunbird [15:17] no only lightning [15:18] ca.xpi es-AR.xpi ga-IE.xpi lt.xpi pa-IN.xpi ru.xpi tr.xpi [15:18] ah. maybe synch your efforts with saivann who did the last package iirc [15:18] cs.xpi es-ES.xpi hu.xpi mk.xpi pl.xpi sk.xpi zh-CN.xpi [15:18] da.xpi eu.xpi it.xpi nb-NO.xpi pt-BR.xpi sl.xpi [15:18] de.xpi fr.xpi ka.xpi nl.xpi pt-PT.xpi sv-SE.xpi [15:18] those are the ones now there are more on ftp.mozilla [15:19] what is his screen name [15:19] where do you see those xpis? [15:19] in the sunbird-locales package [15:20] yeah ... i mean upstream [15:20] i don't see any .xpi [15:20] on ftp there is ja and ko and maybe one or 2 more [15:20] ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/calendar/sunbird/releases/0.8/langpacks/ [15:20] asac_: thats the upstream set [15:23] ja ko mn and uk are the ones that the 0.7 locales package for us didnt have [15:23] not including the ja-JP-mac.xpi but we dont need to add that afaik [15:24] gnomefreak: sure ... add all [15:24] ok [15:24] no mac one still right? [15:24] yeah [15:25] i don't know why it exists, but we don't want it [15:25] mozilla bug 386826 [15:25] Mozilla bug 386826 in XULRunner "First run of XULRunner fails on Windows Vista, showing the Usage dialog instead" [Major,Reopened] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=386826 [15:26] mozilla bug 357052 [15:26] Mozilla bug 357052 in Tracking "Songbird tracking bug" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=357052 [15:27] ok will finish these and push them as 804.1 to PPA they should be ready for backport once we get to start on ibex [15:27] gnomefreak: i don't understand why you need to bump the version [15:27] the locale packages are independent of the main package [15:28] or did you already upload a locale package without the new packages? [15:28] asac_: i know but i had to do it for lightning in controla nd figured since these locales on ftp.moz are updated since our 0.7 was built it would be good [15:28] asac_: i did that 2 times this am [15:28] dont go there having bad morning [15:29] still don't get it, but well :) [15:31] fta: mozilla bug 304048 is jonas: blocking1.9- [15:31] Mozilla bug 304048 in Security: CAPS "xpconnect getters/setters don't have principals until after they pass or fail their security check" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=304048 [15:32] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=304048#c16 [15:32] oh, the "-" was so tiny i missed it [15:32] :) [15:55] is there a way to apply patches that have to patch system [15:55] i had to change 2 things in it [15:57] i think i got it :) [16:17] nope i lied i didnt get it [16:18] maybe it will build without it [16:21] :) [16:23] ok fixed and uploading [16:26] ok got what i wanted done so far. will be back later to read on sunbirds license to see about default icon change [16:32] fta: asac_ did you guys get email from canonical reguarding projects and licenses? i got one because somehow im the owner of iceowl and mozilla-devscripts [16:33] yes [16:34] got mozilla-devscripts, prism and seamonkey [16:35] i think there is no action needed atm for the mozilla projects [16:36] want to update gnash license to GPL 3 ... now there is still just GPL [16:36] maybe i have to wait a day or so before this is actually done [16:37] "at 02.00 UTC on Thursday 2nd May" [16:37] so i shouldnt have to do anything with it? [16:38] let upgrade pass then we'll recheck [16:38] asac_, i've updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Ideas/Intrepid [16:39] good [16:39] wtf [16:40] bug 224307 [16:40] Launchpad bug 224307 in firefox-3.0 "Firefox does not load encrypted page if the certificate is not trusted" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/224307 [16:40] fta: added another as well [16:40] hmm still saving ;) [16:41] it's slow [16:41] asac_: you want that bug/feature i think its doing what it should use needs to import cert IMO [16:42] nvm you seem to have gotten him on list [16:42] fta: ok added another ;) [16:44] i've tried once to see how to take advantage of the upstream crash DB but it never produced anything useful so i dropped the ball [16:45] fta: blizzard will be there. i hope we can find a way to coordinate this with hijm [16:46] fta: and [reed] might be able to have ideas about better bug cooperation :) [16:46] ok, added a ubufox section to ideas as well [16:46] <[reed]> blizzard will be where? [16:46] <[reed]> oh, at UDS? [16:46] yes [16:47] <[reed]> cool [16:47] just got the confirm [16:47] he will be there only for two days (i think monday and tue) [16:47] so we are trying to align the platform track to get him as much utilized as possible ;) [16:49] <[reed]> hah [16:49] asac_: are we dropping our Lp from language-pack-gnome and using them as a seperate package? [16:49] gnomefreak: what is our Lp` [16:49] ? [16:49] ah, language pack [16:50] added [16:50] yes [16:50] i havea bug infront of me and someone told him this is being "fixed" next week. [16:51] gnomefreak: which bug? [16:51] bug 216771 [16:51] Launchpad bug 216771 in firefox "[Hardy] mozilla-firefox-locale-es-* is not installed, despite my locale is set to Castilian (Spanish) / Firefox is only available in English" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/216771 [16:51] i leaning towards that being a dup of bug 222673 [16:52] Launchpad bug 222673 in rosetta "language-pack-gnome-pt-base has pt-br translation" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/222673 [16:52] gnomefreak: i am not aware that we will fix that next week. we will fix something else next week [16:52] right [16:52] that bug is what gets fixed (its not a dupe) [16:52] oh ok [16:52] just fixing the pt br issue? [16:53] yes. the other needs more thinking [16:53] combining them into gnome lang is bad what if user is on kde and dont want or need gnome libs... [16:54] another satisfied sunbird user :) [16:54] if i stay at 1 that isnt happy ill be happy [16:54] gnomefreak: i don't think that gnome langpacks will pull in gnome libs [16:55] not saying that i like that they are not in -gnome [16:57] it seems like we favor gnome and push kde away i dont think we should be losing people using ff in kde just because they were added to gnome langpacks because of it being GTK (unless there is a reason im not fully aware of i dont see a benifit [16:59] gnomefreak: kde devs vetoed the inclusion of langpacks in the general language-support packs [16:59] hey folks - I am trying to get Sunbird to connect to an ical account. It seems to work but claims a problem that leaves it in read-only mode. However, it doesn't show any of my scheduled events either [16:59] asac_: oh [16:59] Wulfie: version? [17:00] 0.7 - Heron [17:00] !ppa [17:00] With Launchpad's Personal Package Archives (PPA), you can build and publish binary Ubuntu packages for multiple architectures simply by uploading an Ubuntu source package to Launchpad. See https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart. [17:00] grrrrrrr [17:00] Wulfie: hold on please [17:01] holding [17:01] Wulfie: stand alone sunbird or lightning? [17:01] stand alone [17:02] Wulfie: please help us test lightning-sunbird - 0.8+nobinonly-0ubuntu0mt804 it can be downloaded from https://edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ [17:02] sure [17:02] Wulfie: let me know if 0.8 works better (please start with clean empty or otherwise a non efffected profile [17:03] asac_, i've updated the wiki. maybe we can start to expend a little bit.. rationale, etc. [17:03] ok done with email i hope im going to grab a bite and unpack my crap [17:03] umm I see sunbird locales but not sunbird itself [17:03] * fta leaving for ~1h [17:04] fta: yes, will go through the list and expand. if not today, tomorrow [17:04] gnomefreak: is it lightening-sunbird ? [17:04] thanks [17:04] Wulfie: look for lightning-sunbird 0.8+nobinonly-0ubuntu0mt804 its right under [17:04] ah yes [17:04] Wulfie: yes if you click the arrow you will see the packages [17:04] it* [17:04] i left it out [17:05] yup I just missed it - looking alphabetically [17:07] gnomefreak: well its installed and running, it added the calendar but still no events [17:07] the calendar I use is https [17:08] so should I do: https://server.domain.com:port [17:08] Wulfie: what is the link you used? [17:08] asac_: is it bed time yet? [17:09] Wulfie: ill be back a bit later i have to grab lunch and get some things around her edone. [17:09] kk [17:30] reminder: 1800 UTC extension packaging session in #ubuntu-classroom [17:35] @now [17:35] asac_: Error: "now" is not a valid command. [17:35] !now [17:35] Factoid now not found [17:36] <[reed]> lol [17:37] you broke him :( [17:52] yeah ... new bot [17:53] what happened to old bot? [17:59] not sure, afaiu the bot maintainer left with being pissed about somethig - no background info available here. [18:03] Jazzva: you there? [18:04] ah sounds fun. so when are you/they going to fix "sort by name" in firefox? :P I can't sort from the top 3 folders (Toolbar, Menu, Unsorted). [18:05] AtomicSpark: where?= i can sort in bookmarks organizer [18:07] basically it's the folders under bookmarks menu. everything below those folders, I can sort. [18:09] as far as i know the only way to sort by name is to right click on a folder and chose it. this then sorts all the files/folders below that correct? [18:51] asac_: about ready for your session? [18:51] jcastro: yeah ... in a few minutes :) [18:52] sweet [18:53] jcastro: do i need to become op? [18:53] (in that channel)? [18:53] I will do it for you === asac_ is now known as asac [19:08] asac_: Now I am... [19:08] Jazzva: asac is spoking at the classroom noe ;) [19:08] Jazzva: #ubuntu-classroom + #ubuntu-classroom-chat -> extension packaging session ;) [19:08] /noe/now/ [19:09] oooh... sounds like fun [19:09] :) [19:09] yeah :D [19:09] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuOpenWeek [20:00] welcome ;) [20:00] good session ;) [20:01] hehe ... feedback welcome [20:01] nice session asac, thanks a lot [20:02] asac: Hmm... I haven't seen if you mentioned the distribution of jar files in chrome... [20:03] Jazzva: hmm ... i think i should not do so much non-technical things up front next time [20:03] time was really low already [20:03] bobbo_: welcome. === bobbo_ is now known as bobbo [20:03] asac: True... Well, it can easily be sorted out during the packaging :) [20:06] i somewhat like these open weeks :) [20:06] good thing ;) [20:06] Yep... Nice way to join the community :) [20:06] definitly [20:07] And good way to find out something new in the easy (easiest?) way [20:08] yep [20:08] yeah i definately wouldnt have learnt about FF extensions without OpenWeek [20:08] bobbo: You would, it's just easier this way :) [20:08] hehe ... i think he means: about "packaging ff extensions" :) [20:09] hehe, yeah thats what i meant :) [20:09] there should be another lesson about "packaging ff extensions" ;) [20:09] actually i think i forgot to mention that you users can install/navigate the packaged extensions from the addons -> get extension dialog [20:10] asac: Right ... but that's not important for packaging. [20:10] yeah, but it would show that the extensions will get a prominent place [20:10] yes... [20:10] e.g. you see the success of your work [20:10] MiSc0110: i think you are right [20:11] asac: congratulations, very good lesson and I think the right balance between tecnhical stuff and general one [20:11] problem is that we cannot acquire an arbitrary amount of time slots [20:11] but there were ideas that we might wanna have something like 1-extension-a-day [20:11] :) [20:11] to get a more constant stream of communication on this topic. [20:12] nice idea ;) [20:12] in that course one could certainly schedule lessons/days in #ubuntu-classroom [20:12] outside the open week [20:12] asac: I think someone asked in some bug report about easier way of uninstalling (flash) plugins... It would require changing apturl (or ubufox) if it's ok. [20:12] is there already a plan for a next open week? [20:13] I think it's a good addition... [20:13] Jazzva: thats another topic (plugins) ... but i agree that we need a way to uninstall plugins [20:13] as easy as you can install at least :) [20:13] asac: This was unrelated to the packaging class... Just remembered that I saw a bug report :). [20:13] MiSc0110: i think open weeks are regular events now ... like every 2-3 month? [20:14] Jazzva: right. another idea would be to give user feedback that "there are alternative plugins available" [20:14] clickin on it would allow the user to switch from gnash to nonfree or vv [20:14] but that is completely unclear still (UI wise) [20:15] uninstalling would be the easier way i guess [20:15] Right, it could be intrusive if we would use the yellow bar. [20:15] asac: I have followed you lesson with some delay but very good, only feedback maybe give a better idea of the intricate labirint of the open source licenses universe [20:15] :) [20:15] right, but thats the direction. [20:15] Volans: yeah. licensing ... *ouch* [20:15] asac: bug 222404 ... that's the one [20:15] Launchpad bug 222404 in firefox "to easy way to get alternative plugins for flash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/222404 [20:16] i tried to tap that topic by referring multiple times that gathering the info is often harder than packaging :) [20:16] yeah I have read! [20:16] Jazzva: can you add ubufox target please? [20:16] i think its also a valid firefox wishlist [20:16] sure... [20:16] but ubufox could implement the prototype [20:17] (and ubufox buglist is still comprehensible, so it won't get lost :)) [20:17] Maybe it could be delegated to apturl.. To add something like "aptrm:foo". [20:18] Ok, set it to conffirmed and wishlist for FF, and added ubufox [20:19] *confirmed [20:20] asac: great session, thanks. [20:21] * asac enjoys positive feedback ;) [20:22] I like your LargeScaleMaintenance plans. I can probably spend some time on implementation issues if you would be interested. [20:23] james_w: we will certainly come back. fta wanted to implement parts of the automatization tools [20:23] james_w: but there are definitly other things that need to be done. [20:24] james_w: in some way this is a prototype of how maintaing packages in bzr might work on a wider scale [20:24] cool, if you need any help then just let me know. [20:24] james_w: and we there are still uncertain points. (like how to sign off, etc.) [20:24] your "$EXTENSION_NAME.upstream" branch is done with "bzr push" when the package is uploaded? [20:25] james_w: thats done automatically ... e.g. when a new extension version is available the bot will update the upstream sources and push [20:25] (so yes) [20:25] aeh ... but not on upload [20:26] the idea is that .upstream will move ahead and the bot will do auto-merges in .staging branches ... which then need to be fixed and signed off [20:26] sorry, I didn't men .upstream, I meant .ubuntu [20:26] too many u's [20:27] gnomefreak: you back at all? [20:29] james_w: yes. .ubuntu will be pushed on every upload (so later some upload bot could do that when .ubuntu is updated) [20:29] (or launchpad) [20:29] asac: cool, that's what I thought. [20:30] so we are trying to align the platform track to get him as much utilized as possible ;) <== maybe have a builder doing hourly/daily builds our way and archiving them ? :) [20:31] fta: utilize was ment for blizzard :) ... i doubt that he gets utilized by hourly builds ;) [20:32] :) [20:32] anyway, hourly/daily builds are something we should try to accomplish [20:32] its just hard to get the hardware for that [20:32] mostly an administrative task [20:33] (with our IS department) [20:33] I have to go... se you tomorrow :) I'm interesting in helping you with extensions, not only mine [20:33] Volans: cu [20:33] see ya Volans [20:33] bye bye :) [20:34] ok ... ill take a shower look if something is up and then go out for "dance in the may" :) ... tomorrow is public holiday here [20:34] so i probably will wake up a bit later ;) [20:34] Heh... same here :) [20:34] same here too [20:34] asac, before you go [20:35] (and the rest of you :)) [20:35] How do you like this proposals for Mozilla Extensions logo? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Extensions/Logo [20:35] (since I don't think there'll be any more proposals)... [20:35] is the licensing sorted? [20:36] for me the pure puzzle looks is easiest to recognize [20:36] Yes... The puzzle icon is gfdl, and the earth icon is made by Volans' friend, so it can be released under any license. [20:36] second would be the big puzzle with the small earth [20:36] asac: cast your vote when you can :)... [20:37] hmm [20:37] proposal 1 orange + proposal 2 orange or proposal 4 ... without any preference :) [20:38] well scratch proposal 2 ... the earth is too tiny in the small icon [20:38] so 1 orange or 4 .... [20:38] hmm, ok. I'll add that to the wiki page [20:38] Well, we can use only the puzzle logo for 14px version. [20:38] but whatever the others prefer is my preference ;) [20:38] 1 orange looks good in small size [20:39] 1 orange (looks like "planet extension") and tiny 4 for me [20:39] maybe i'd prefer that one over the pure puzzly [20:39] Ok, I'll add your comments to the wiki page, if you don't mind :).. [20:40] go ahead [20:40] thanks. now i cannot come back after shower :) [20:40] time is out [20:40] cu tomorrow [20:40] have fun... [20:41]