[00:06] elky_work: Do you actually get paid on the same day as you fill out the timesheet? Mine come a week later. [00:07] tonyyarusso, i work in a really small company and get paid by check [00:07] elky_work: how small? [00:07] about 10 people nationwide [00:07] Ah, nice. [00:08] 6 on site, about 4 work remote [00:08] Employer #1 is about 200, with direct deposit. Employer #2 is about 10, and pays by check "when we feel like it" - I still need to submit hours for the last three months or so. Employer #3 is tens of thousands (state gov't), again with direct deposit. [00:10] this is offtopic for here anyway [00:10] did we ever care? [00:11] i think it's worth keeping this channel clean of fluff for a while until things settle [00:11] full of fluff [00:11] oh, clean of fluff === ubottu is now known as ubotuu [00:11] what'm i thinking [00:11] oh come on, it should be ubotoo [00:11] That's fair. [00:12] * tonyyarusso moves over a window === ubotuu is now known as ubottu [00:15] NICKSPAM! :P [00:15] heh [00:30] hello [00:31] I had to reinstall ubuntu from scratch and now I want to copy my old home folder [00:31] but the user can not access the files [00:32] how to chmod in the gui? [00:35] alpharesearch: This is not a support channel - have you tried #ubuntu? [00:42] down there they're 'rounding a posse to ride. [00:42] mneptok: ? [00:42] oh. [00:42] i would ignore him [00:43] I grossly misread that sentence. [00:43] I won't say what I thought it said... [00:43] in a corner garden. wilder, lower. house in order. [00:43] jdong: or you didn't [00:43] erm, can we get a +b on mneptok over here? thanks. [00:43] :P [00:43] "Chronic Town" kids. a classic. [00:44] hmm, have my email servers broken, or am I just unpopular [00:44] even spammers dont like me this evening :( [00:48] :( [00:51] ... right [00:52] who are dav7 and unic0rn? [00:53] elky_work: where? [00:53] in this channel [00:53] wasn't dav7 the guy that wanted to run a bot in #ubuntu to collect some data or something [00:53] elky_work: they are idling, aren't they? [00:53] dav7: can we help you? [00:53] unic0rn: can we help you? [00:54] who is w grant? [00:54] Fukitsu [00:54] Fujitsu, even [00:54] Seeker`, fujitsu. he had to change his nick after people confused him with fujisan [00:54] ah, ok [00:54] seancron: hi, how can we help you? [00:54] nalioth: well, i've discussed a topic of #ubuntu-pl with PriceChild here yesterday, i still need to translate some logs and so on, so well... yeah, i am quite idle here. [00:54] one is a mountain. the other is a heavy manufacturing conglomerate. [00:54] Seeker`, you cant. [00:55] well, that was easy - if only all people were that easy to deal with [00:55] unic0rn, i believe #ubuntu-irc is the place for non-main channel discussion? [00:55] unic0rn: i'm sure PriceChild can PM you or invite you back here if necessary [01:02] !ubotu [01:02] I am ubottu, standing in for ubotu while he's getting his haircut done, nose powdered, updated and transitioned to his new, gorgeous looks in the near future ;) [01:02] ugh, he keeps changing nicks :) [01:07] heads up, paste.ubuntu-nl.org is down [01:08] wasn't it down earlier [01:08] well, not down, but not a pastebin [01:17] ubottu is spewing bug info in #ubuntu [01:17] jrib: Error: "is" is not a valid command. [01:18] haha [01:20] jussio1: please disable all but LP bugtracking [01:22] he just needs to disable the plugin for those channels, but i dont know how [01:39] LjL: was the delta on that ubot5? [01:39] no, pastebin [01:41] ah [01:41] !pastebin [01:41] pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) [01:41] !pastebin =~ s/ubuntu-nl.org/ubuntu.com/ [01:41] In #ubuntu-ops, jrib said: !pastebin =~ s/ubuntu-nl.org/ubuntu.com/ [01:41] so he did [01:41] hmm [01:42] !pastebin =~ s/ubuntu-nl.org/ubuntu.com/ [01:42] I'll remember that LjL [01:42] night [01:42] night [01:42] night [01:45] !paste [01:45] pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) [03:27] In #ubuntu-us-ky, amirman84 said: !game is fun [03:28] In #ubuntu-us-ky, amirman84 said: !graphics is xorg [03:31] In #ubuntu-us-ky, amirman84 said: !office is openoffice [03:36] ah-ha? [03:41] ugh. terrible band. [03:41] stupid norwegian pop music [03:42] (wait till you see Ken Lee in You Tube...) [03:42] * Pici takes me on [03:42] * Pici takes on me [03:43] * mneptok is a cartoon! [03:43] * mneptok is not a cartoon! [03:43] * mneptok is a cartoon! [03:43] * mneptok is not a cartoon! [03:43] * Pici actually knows what mneptok is talking about [03:44] I do to [03:44] it's a great song and a great video and you should just shut up if you don't agree [03:44] period. [03:44] Whomever ubottu belongs to, please set Hardy as the default release [03:44] I dont even know any other A-ha songs [03:44] it belongs to jussio1/jussi01 [03:45] ubot5 --> ubottu [03:45] Pici: it's on his list [03:45] Myrtti: Okay [03:45] I could do it too if I knew how [03:46] then again, jussio1 asked me to ask you would you like to have access to it [03:46] Pici: ^ [03:47] please don't. [03:47] i'm now going to say this as directly and succinctly as i can. [03:47] STOP SETTING THIS STUFF UP AS IF IT'S PERMANENT, PLEASE [03:48] jussio1: i'm glad you're willing to help. but who runs and has access to what is a decision for the IRC and Community Councils. [03:48] I'm a bit out of the loop because I've been on vacation for the past few days, but I agree. [03:48] * jdong gives Pici grammatical cookie of the day for correctly using whomever [03:48] *doing* [03:48] anything being done now may well be gone in 48 hours. we just don't know. [03:48] /me runs away [03:49] in the general direction of the shower [03:49] although that's true, it helps if more than one person knows how to administer/configure the bot, that's more clear now than ever [03:50] i know IRC drama is addictive. pull the needle, please, before Jono has a f-ing coronary. [03:50] jussio1 / jussi01: In case you can't find the config key, its @config channel #ubuntu plugins.encyclopedia.searchorder hardy [03:50] stdin: please bear in mind that things got to where they did with Dennis because "eh, it mostly works. why pay any attention to it?" [03:50] Pici: I doubt his apt database is up-to-date right now [03:51] we are setting ourselves up for the same thing all over again [03:51] stdin: /me shrugs [03:51] mneptok: I know, I take this as a learning opportunity from past mistakes [03:51] * Pici does not like internet drama [03:52] right, so don;t set up stuff that allows the official teams to ignore this. [03:52] "oh, there's a functioning bot now. things seem better. let's talk about this issue after Ibex drops." [03:52] yadda yadda yadda [03:53] the flame got turened up under the CC and Jono. everything we do to replicate ubotu turns that flame lower. [03:53] think about that. ;) [03:53] !info console-tools [03:53] console-tools: Linux console and font utilities. In component main, is important. Version 1:0.2.3dbs-65ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 293 kB, installed size 908 kB [03:54] and, as always, one man's opinion. [03:54] IMO the idea thing would be one "master" ubotu which several backups can sync from it, with the IRC council having access (preferably server access) to them all [03:54] *ideal [03:54] IMO, IRC bots are as much a piece of Ubuntu infrastructure as a wiki. [03:54] and should be treated as such [03:55] i.e. hosted in the datacenter [03:55] yep, and usually more used [03:55] mneptok: that would be nice, but has been turned down. [03:55] [23:08] <+jussio1> nalioth, its there now. http://jussi01.com/ubuntu.db [03:55] [23:11] <+jussio1> Myrtti: the jussi01.com one will always be up to date, as its the actual one in use. [03:55] tonyyarusso: and it will continue to be as long as *someone else is hosting it* [03:55] mneptok: huh? [03:56] You mean we need to drop it altogether until they ask for it back? [03:56] tonyyarusso: why should elmo allow it if someone else is already doing the heavy lifting? [03:56] what leverage does Jono, the CC, or the IRC Council have? [03:56] So yes, make them see a few days without. [03:56] Interesting idea. [03:56] there ya go, Pete. ;) [03:57] it's puerile, but desperate times call for desperate measures. [03:57] I've seen people doing that myself [03:57] I've been coaxing people to do that twice myself succeeding in it [03:57] and if we get what we want, a single person running the bot and providing access to their personal host will be a thing of the past [03:58] and I don't like the idea at all [03:58] there *HAS* to be some other way of doing it [03:59] It doesnt really sound like 'the ubuntu way' [03:59] Thing is, I've had a very negative experience dealing with services hosted in the Canonical DC, so I'm not even sure that would be a good thing. [04:00] Granted, given that ubotu doesn't really exist now, just a "temporary" replacement, it could be a decent time to ask again. [04:00] if we blackmail them with shutting down the bots, it's not them who are getting hurt, but us and the even more innocent irc users [04:01] Pici: /me will be having some convos with Jono, never fear [04:01] that's "The UBuntu Way" ;) [04:01] and I'm more afraid of the humble workers, the doers of the hard work, those like bazhang and ikonia, who are on #ubuntu all the time helping people [04:01] they're the ones whos head would explode [04:02] I don't think we can afford that [04:02] Well, we have little choice really. A grand total of zero of our other options are really reliable. [04:02] At best, they are as good as what we had, and at worst, not. [04:03] personally, i think it's time for some far longer discussions about IRC with the CC [04:03] yes, it is [04:03] if i was sabdfl, there would be some changes made, and quick [04:04] mneptok: care to elaborate? [04:04] e.g. all #ubuntu* namespace channels are +m. when you join, ChanServ sends you links to the CoC and IRC guidelines. after 60 seconds you get your +v. [04:05] the !coc and !language factoids become irrelevant. you should already know. [04:05] add a badwords list with an insta-ban [04:05] *that* would make doers-of0hard-work heads explode. with delight. [04:06] hmm [04:06] You _do_ know that most users aren't bright enough to notice a link sent by chanserv, and would just sit there wondering why nobody was replying, right? (since they wouldn't notice the "can't send to channel" either) [04:07] s/know/care/. and no, i don't. [04:07] 'k [04:07] if you can;t see a big tab open in your IRC client with a red "CHanServ" nickname, you're an idiot. [04:07] :P [04:08] most users aren;t bright enough to read the !coc factoid when it's sent to them. so we waste time sending URLs that are not read, then eventually banning. [04:09] if someone doesn't notice, and gets banned, they'll prolly pay more attention when their ban expires. [04:09] if they don't, they do not learn from mistakes, and prolly don't belong on the Internet, never mind Linux. >:) [04:14] ok, . me go home. [04:16] icanhas: what would you have on your mind today? [04:18] Myrtti: it seems i strolled into the wrong place :) so sorry. [04:18] mneptok, and as i said to you yesterday, unfortunately we are 'Linux for Human Beings', not 'Linux for Civilised, Intelligent and Polite Human Beings [04:38] anyone remember the command to add info to changelog automaticly info= package name line and personal named line [05:09] Jordan_U called the ops in #ubuntu [05:12] gnomefreak: debchange [05:12] elky_work: there's nothing that says a human being can;t wait 60 seconds [05:12] tonyyarusso: its not dch anymore? [05:13] i will test it once i fix permission issues tomorrow thank you tonyyarusso :) [05:13] gnomefreak: dch is a symlink to it [05:16] ah ok do i need any args for debchange? [05:17] no idea [05:18] brb smoke hopefully ill be too tired to be up much longer or this would be night #4 that i havent slept and i rarely take namps during the day [05:18] tonyyarusso: ill man it tomorrow thank you much [05:19] dch with no args should just add a entry (like dch -a), dch -i increments the release number and dch -e lets you edit the changelog [05:19] * stdin has used dch a few times [05:32] stdin: thanks i used it but since i was gone so long i have to re-remeber some things [05:33] I use it whenever I backport the KDE4 packages, so I'm quite used to it [07:52] a very, very, very very VERY tired myrtti http://myrtti.fi/cam/ [07:54] Myrtti: looks light out - stay up until morning? [07:55] yeah, had one hour of sleep [07:55] I feel like stoned [07:55] better than before the nap though [07:55] heh, I'll bet [07:55] oh good, the suse logo doesn't show [07:56] Be thankful I didn't screencap you nearly picking your nose too. [07:56] I was probably rubbing my face [07:56] something like that [07:56] What camera do you have, and were there any Linux compatibility issues? [07:56] and oh yeah, it's pollen time so I probably do have an itchy nose [07:56] I wouldn't mind having such a thing at some point. [07:57] oh, it's builtin laptop one [07:57] no compatibility issues whatsoever [07:57] I take it the updating image thing is b/c you don't have the bandwidth to stream? [07:57] what laptop? [07:57] Acer Aspire 3100 [07:57] the updating thing is because it's a dirty hack [07:58] the pictures are uploaded to the server with sshfs [07:58] and they probably aren't in sync at all [07:58] lol [07:58] and the page itself is written with nano by me [07:58] so [07:59] mjpg_streamer is the software [08:00] camera is uvc something [08:00] tonyyarusso: if you're looking for a camera, I heard some of the camera/headphone packages skype sells are linux compatible [08:01] I've got one waiting for me to build a Guinea Pig Cam [08:02] Well, it's not at the top of the purchase list, but I'll keep that in mind. [08:02] god I look exactly what I am. A bloated, sweatty, smelly, dirty, tired nerd. [08:02] Right now I'm looking to expand my portable audio player collection, along with some better earbuds. [08:02] earbuds are great on the theoretical side [08:02] the practice is different [08:03] I'm only really the last one right now - just showered, and while I put on some weight over the winter, that really only brings me towards the realm of normal sized. [08:03] Myrtti: explain? [08:03] yours truly has managed to break three pairs skullcandy earbudz (whatever) and a pair of koss the plugs [08:04] at it's best I broke skullcandies forthnightly [08:04] took month and a half to break kosses [08:04] when the one's I've got now break, I'm switching to some other design paradigm [08:05] what sort of breakage? [08:05] (actually, I guess technically what I'm looking for are called "canal" whatevers rather than earbuds) [08:05] its always that other one goes mute [08:06] I imagine the reason might be that I've got really tight ear canals and I really have to jam them in [08:06] they're great as long as they work [08:08] I'm looking at various kinds with silicone tip thingies that are supposed to work without jamming things in so tight. [08:09] jussi01: it's broken, though [08:10] Turns out these things are friggin' expensive though. [08:11] Bose sells a pair for $99, and Ultimate Ears has ones over a thousand if you're insane. [08:11] !msgthebot =~ s/ubotu/ubottu/ [08:11] Nothing changed there [08:11] *sigh* [08:11] !msgthebot [08:11] Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids. [08:13] ok, time to turn the camera off for a while ;-) [08:13] * Hobbsee agrees with mneptok, though [08:19] what if jussi01 gets hit by a bus? [08:19] hey look, the infrastructure went bang again. [08:20] Hobbsee: as it might look like we're building a permanent infrastructure here, I for one acknowledge that this isn't meant to be such [08:21] Hobbsee: the way I see it, it has to be robust and permanent-looking enough to make us survive until a better solution is found [08:21] Myrtti: it'll get found faster the less people spend effort on it now :P [08:21] good part of the cycle, though [08:23] Myrtti: at least this way, something should actually get done. [08:23] it's a pity things have to get to crisis point before people will react, though [08:23] Hobbsee: I disagree with both you and mneptok about the "less" thing though, as I said yesterday [08:24] wouldn't like to see jono actually having a heart attack or something from it, though. [08:24] I've done my share of blackmailing the apes climbing higher on the tree and I don't want to do it again [08:24] blackmail? don't know if i'd call it that [08:25] "blackmail" [08:26] my arms hurt [08:27] and the thing is no matter how much effort we put into making the system as robust and permanent-looking as we can, we can never get it to be more robust than it was three days ago as long as the main bots are run by a single person [08:28] I think that has already been proven, there's no reason to slack on the effort of making the system as fool proof as we can with these resources, which do not actually diffrentiate from the one we had few days ago [08:28] that wasn't robust. that didn't have a working bantracker, and we were screwed if seveas wasn't around. [08:28] the basics haven't changed [08:29] Hobbsee: s/three days/anytime it was in "perfect" working condition of its best/ [08:30] and as you said, wasn't robust [08:30] qed, point proven, we need A Great Big Instance to support the infrastructure [08:31] "as robust and permanent-looking _as we can_" [08:32] just don't make it permanent enough that canonical IS can ignore it indefinetly. [08:33] !bot [08:33] I am ubottu, standing in for ubotu while he's getting his haircut done, nose powdered, updated and transitioned to his new, gorgeous looks in the near future ;) [08:34] that's exactly the reason I'm against renaming our stand-in bots as ubotus [08:34] and exactly the reason why all the features should't be enables [08:34] enabled [08:34] ahhh, right, so you're not aiming for that. good [08:35] the transition phase should be as invisible as it can for the normal users [08:35] that's why I'm aiming for robustness and fool-proof and so on [08:35] yup [08:36] so in case jussio1 kicks the bucket while we're waiting for the deus ex machinae, we won't be screwed and ***-***ked all over again [08:36] hehe [08:37] i almost have root access on that machine, too [08:37] but yeah [08:37] if jono et al want proof on how vulnerable the system is, all we need to do is to mute the bots totally on all the channels when they want proof [08:38] but our heads would explode with the amount of complaints if we systematically refused the bots all the time [08:38] the bots not being there at all is more effective. [08:39] the method of exampling the effect is free of choice [08:39] true [08:42] Better yet, have jono /nick ubotu and put it on hilight :) [08:42] * Hobbsee snorts [08:43] maybe put jono on a highlight for every few commands [08:43] just as long we don't make the users the guinea pigs for $time [08:45] I don't know if I made any sense there, but I hope it explained what I think of the situation [08:46] ok, now I'm REALLY off to the shower where I was going to when I shut down the webcam [08:56] and for that matter, we should track down *all* the bots we're using "officially" and show that the problem isn't only one bot. but that I guess was already kindof said. [09:17] If I get really bored, I might write an email to the list about my opinions [10:33] Good morning all [10:33] morning [10:34] Hobbsee: whats broken? [10:34] jussio1: permissions [10:48] Hobbsee, has anyone actually tried talking to canonical of late regarding this [10:49] also - apparently the ubuntu-eu guys dont mind hosting ubotu [10:49] Mez: the ubuntu-eu guys already offered to host it in #ubuntu-locoteams the other day. [10:49] Mez: unsure. [10:49] Mez: i don't have connections into IS [10:51] Is there going to be some sort of meeting with the relevant people about this? [10:51] i presume so, but i know no details. [10:52] Hobbsee/anyone, you have any objections to me poking sabdfl regarding this? [10:52] Mez: none at all. [10:52] I think thats the _first_ thing we need to do! [10:53] he doesn't seem to mind talking to me for some reason [10:53] I've just pinged him [10:53] get him in here? [10:54] just pinged him to ask him to lemme know when he has a little time to talk [10:54] yeah, get him to join here. [10:55] wait until he responds first [11:13] Nafallo, you said something about ubuntu-eu and ubotu ? [11:15] Mez: yes. there was a conversation between Seveas and yann2 (I think it was him) some days ago where they offered hosting the bot and also asked for the logbots to be integrated into it. [11:16] ah, *sighs* [11:16] stdin: that was interesting? [11:16] jussio1: yeah, strange [11:20] * jussio1 sighs... [11:21] Yay for headaches [11:23] Mez, he doesnt mind talking to anybody, to be quite frank. [11:24] elkbuntu, yes, indeed :D [11:24] (which is a great thing imo) [11:25] it is. he holds no particular people in any special regard. it's nice. [11:26] ok, Im kinda frustrated at other stuff here, bit worried Ill take it out wrong. someone might want to have a look into #ubuntu and keep an eye... bit ot and stuff. [11:31] elkbuntu, I'm sure he does hold some people in special regard (mjg, elmo, all his staff, etc etc) [11:34] I dont know why I picked mjg and elmo though, those were just the first names that came to mind :P [11:50] Hi. If there are any bot wranglers about, it would be handy to have a bot responding to bug numbers with URLs in #ubuntu-bugs. Of course, if there's a reason this doesn't work today, thanks for your efforts, and no rush. [11:50] Mez, they're the most entertaining [11:50] elkbuntu, probably true :D [11:50] jussi01, if you're still within arm's reach of your computer... ^^ [11:53] I just love you all. Feel loved. Huge hug. [11:55] * Mez takes the bong away from Myrtti :P [11:56] I don't think the bug reporting is something you can do easily, looking at the config it needs an IMAP account to get bug emails [11:56] certainly nothing else obvious in the config that has to do with printing new bugs [11:56] If there are any staff about, some sort of cloak and a relaxation of the channel limit for ubottu would be nice. [11:57] jussi01, can't it use the old ubotu password? [11:57] Mez: possibly, if we knew it... [11:57] it's fine [11:58] Theres been so much positive energy going on from my point of view. Peeps helping each other, etc [11:58] * Mez hugs Myrtti back [12:00] nalioth: ? what is fine? [12:01] jussio1: ubottu and his thousand channels [12:01] nalioth: ahh. thank you :) [12:02] I know positive feedback keeps me going, so in case some is running low on their hug-o-meter, dont, You are all doing excellent job. [12:03] s/some/someone/ [12:03] * jussio1 huggles Myrtti [13:46] Who is running the bot again? [13:46] jussio1: [13:46] I need a bot to camp in #ubuntu-release-party [13:46] somehow, my account on that server is borkened. [13:47] Also, I need someone to give me back access to #ubuntu+1 [13:47] oh dear. rtorrent finally crashed. [13:48] Seveas apparently took my access when he closed the channel and 'forgot' to give it back [13:49] Amaranth: wait... why was it removed when it was closed? [13:49] Because I was being funny and rejoining the channel [13:49] Not that it mattered, no one else was there [13:49] ah so he was just being funny too [13:49] Right [13:49] died 21 hours ago :( [13:50] But I think he planned on leaving it off until he reopened the channel :P [13:51] why do you need a bot in #u-r-p ? [13:53] he's joking... i *think* [13:54] which is why i'm asking [13:55] Hobbsee:# Incoming: 7.70 GB [13:55] # Outgoing: 153 GB [13:55] # Total: 161 GB [13:55] You have used [13:55] 81% [13:55] of your monthly transfer. [13:55] elkbuntu: Not a bad effort. [13:56] elkbuntu: i'm sitting at 167mb - 84% [13:56] still a reasonable # on the trackers, though [13:56] Hobbsee: That sounds like an Optus plan. [13:56] wgrant, indeed. Hobbsee and i combined have managed to churn out 161+167gb [13:56] wgrant: oh? [13:56] wgrant, linodes [13:56] elkbuntu: I'm aware. [13:57] then what sounds like an optus plan? [13:57] Hobbsee: You said MB rather than GB. Only Optus and Telstra could ever have such low limits. [13:57] * elkbuntu reads up [13:57] haha! [13:57] oh, gah. [13:57] * Hobbsee meant GB :P [13:58] * elkbuntu checks the rtorrent screen session [13:58] it's still churning it out [13:59] hehe [13:59] * wgrant only seeded a bit over 2GiB this release. [13:59] But 256kbps upstream doesn't go far :( [14:00] ouch [14:00] wgrant, yeah, that's about all i've ever seeded, i have a decent income now and can afford a yummy linode [14:01] it's been great fun for both hobbsee and i [14:01] hehe, yeah ;) [14:02] nalioth: I want a bot in #ubuntu-release-party so the modes will stick [14:02] which reminds me, i need to renew [14:02] Amaranth: set the modes? [14:02] elkbuntu: isn't it direct debit? [14:02] They go away when everyone leaves [14:02] Then the first person to join gets in [14:02]