[00:06] <tonyyarusso> elky_work: Do you actually get paid on the same day as you fill out the timesheet?  Mine come a week later.
[00:07] <elky_work> tonyyarusso, i work in a really small company and get paid by check
[00:07] <tonyyarusso> elky_work: how small?
[00:07] <elky_work> about 10 people nationwide
[00:07] <tonyyarusso> Ah, nice.
[00:08] <elky_work> 6 on site, about 4 work remote
[00:08] <tonyyarusso> Employer #1 is about 200, with direct deposit.  Employer #2 is about 10, and pays by check "when we feel like it" - I still need to submit hours for the last three months or so.  Employer #3 is tens of thousands (state gov't), again with direct deposit.
[00:10] <elky_work> this is offtopic for here anyway
[00:10] <LjL> did we ever care?
[00:11] <elky_work> i think it's worth keeping this channel clean of fluff for a while until things settle
[00:11] <LjL> full of fluff
[00:11] <LjL> oh, clean of fluff
[00:11] <LjL> what'm i thinking
[00:11] <elky_work> oh come on, it should be ubotoo
[00:11] <tonyyarusso> That's fair.
[00:12]  * tonyyarusso moves over a window
[00:15] <elky_work> NICKSPAM! :P
[00:15] <jussio1> heh
[00:30] <alpharesearch> hello 
[00:31] <alpharesearch> I had to reinstall ubuntu from scratch and now I want to copy my old home folder
[00:31] <alpharesearch> but the user can not access the files
[00:32] <alpharesearch> how to chmod  in the gui?
[00:35] <Seeker`> alpharesearch: This is not a support channel - have you tried #ubuntu?
[00:42] <mneptok> down there they're 'rounding a posse to ride.
[00:42] <Seeker`> mneptok: ?
[00:42] <jdong> oh.
[00:42] <LjL> i would ignore him
[00:43] <jdong> I grossly misread that sentence.
[00:43] <jdong> I won't say what I thought it said...
[00:43] <mneptok> in a corner garden. wilder, lower. house in order.
[00:43] <LjL> jdong: or you didn't
[00:43] <Seeker`> erm, can we get a +b on mneptok over here? thanks.
[00:43] <Seeker`> :P
[00:43] <mneptok> "Chronic Town" kids. a classic.
[00:44] <Seeker`> hmm, have my email servers broken, or am I just unpopular
[00:44] <Seeker`> even spammers dont like me this evening :(
[00:48] <zoredache> :(
[00:51] <LjL> ... right
[00:52] <elky_work> who are dav7 and unic0rn?
[00:53] <Seeker`> elky_work: where?
[00:53] <elky_work> in this channel
[00:53] <Seeker`> wasn't dav7 the guy that wanted to run a bot in #ubuntu to collect some data or something
[00:53] <nalioth> elky_work: they are idling, aren't they?
[00:53] <nalioth> dav7: can we help you?
[00:53] <nalioth> unic0rn: can we help you?
[00:54] <Seeker`> who is w grant?
[00:54] <mneptok> Fukitsu
[00:54] <mneptok> Fujitsu, even
[00:54] <elky_work> Seeker`, fujitsu. he had to change his nick after people confused him with fujisan
[00:54] <Seeker`> ah, ok
[00:54] <Seeker`> seancron: hi, how can we help you?
[00:54] <unic0rn> nalioth: well, i've discussed a topic of #ubuntu-pl with PriceChild here yesterday, i still need to translate some logs and so on, so well... yeah, i am quite idle here.
[00:54] <mneptok> one is a mountain. the other is a heavy manufacturing conglomerate.
[00:54] <elky_work> Seeker`, you cant.
[00:55] <Seeker`> well, that was easy - if only all people were that easy to deal with
[00:55] <elky_work> unic0rn, i believe #ubuntu-irc is the place for non-main channel discussion?
[00:55] <nalioth> unic0rn: i'm sure PriceChild can PM you or invite you back here if necessary
[01:02] <jrib> !ubotu
[01:02] <jrib> ugh, he keeps changing nicks :)
[01:07] <jrib> heads up, paste.ubuntu-nl.org is down
[01:08] <Seeker`> wasn't it down earlier
[01:08] <jrib> well, not down, but not a pastebin
[01:17] <jrib> ubottu is spewing bug info in #ubuntu
[01:18] <jdong> haha
[01:20] <mneptok> jussio1: please disable all but LP bugtracking
[01:22] <elky_work> he just needs to disable the plugin for those channels, but i dont know how
[01:39] <tonyyarusso> LjL: was the delta on that ubot5?
[01:39] <LjL> no, pastebin
[01:41] <tonyyarusso> ah
[01:41] <jrib> !pastebin
[01:41] <jrib> !pastebin =~ s/ubuntu-nl.org/ubuntu.com/
[01:41] <LjL> so he did
[01:41] <jrib> hmm
[01:42] <LjL> !pastebin =~ s/ubuntu-nl.org/ubuntu.com/
[01:42] <LjL> night
[01:42] <jrib> night
[01:42] <Seeker`> night
[01:45] <Myrtti> !paste
[03:27] <ubot3> In #ubuntu-us-ky, amirman84 said: !game is <alias> fun
[03:28] <ubot3> In #ubuntu-us-ky, amirman84 said: !graphics is <alias> xorg
[03:31] <ubot3> In #ubuntu-us-ky, amirman84 said: !office is <alias> openoffice
[03:36] <Myrtti> ah-ha?
[03:41] <jdong> ugh. terrible band.
[03:41] <jdong> stupid norwegian pop music
[03:42] <Jucato> (wait till you see Ken Lee in You Tube...)
[03:42]  * Pici takes me on
[03:42]  * Pici takes on me
[03:43]  * mneptok is a cartoon!
[03:43]  * mneptok is not a cartoon!
[03:43]  * mneptok is a cartoon!
[03:43]  * mneptok is not a cartoon!
[03:43]  * Pici actually knows what mneptok is talking about
[03:44] <Myrtti> I do to
[03:44] <Myrtti> it's a great song and a great video and you should just shut up if you don't agree
[03:44] <Myrtti> period.
[03:44] <Pici> Whomever ubottu belongs to, please set Hardy as the default release
[03:44] <Pici> I dont even know any other A-ha songs
[03:44] <Jucato> it belongs to jussio1/jussi01
[03:45] <Jucato> ubot5 --> ubottu
[03:45] <Myrtti> Pici: it's on his list
[03:45] <Pici> Myrtti: Okay 
[03:45] <Myrtti> I could do it too if I knew how
[03:46] <Myrtti> then again, jussio1 asked me to ask you would you like to have access to it
[03:46] <Myrtti> Pici: ^
[03:47] <mneptok> please don't.
[03:47] <mneptok> i'm now going to say this as directly and succinctly as i can.
[03:47] <mneptok> STOP SETTING THIS STUFF UP AS IF IT'S PERMANENT, PLEASE
[03:48] <mneptok> jussio1: i'm glad you're willing to help. but who runs and has access to what is a decision for the IRC and Community Councils.
[03:48] <Pici> I'm a bit out of the loop because I've been on vacation for the past few days, but I agree.
[03:48]  * jdong gives Pici grammatical cookie of the day for correctly using whomever
[03:48] <Myrtti> *doing*
[03:48] <mneptok> anything being done now may well be gone in 48 hours. we just don't know.
[03:48] <Myrtti> /me runs away
[03:49] <Myrtti> in the general direction of the shower
[03:49] <stdin> although that's true, it helps if more than one person knows how to administer/configure the bot, that's more clear now than ever
[03:50] <mneptok> i know IRC drama is addictive. pull the needle, please, before Jono has a f-ing coronary.
[03:50] <Pici> jussio1 / jussi01: In case you can't find the config key, its @config channel #ubuntu plugins.encyclopedia.searchorder hardy
[03:50] <mneptok> stdin: please bear in mind that things got to where they did with Dennis because "eh, it mostly works. why pay any attention to it?"
[03:50] <stdin> Pici: I doubt his apt database is up-to-date right now
[03:51] <mneptok> we are setting ourselves up for the same thing all over again
[03:51] <Pici> stdin: /me shrugs
[03:51] <stdin> mneptok: I know, I take this as a learning opportunity from past mistakes
[03:51]  * Pici does not like internet drama
[03:52] <mneptok> right, so don;t set up stuff that allows the official teams to ignore this.
[03:52] <mneptok> "oh, there's a functioning bot now. things seem better. let's talk about this issue after Ibex drops."
[03:52] <mneptok> yadda yadda yadda
[03:53] <mneptok> the flame got turened up under the CC and Jono. everything we do to replicate ubotu turns that flame lower.
[03:53] <mneptok> think about that. ;)
[03:53] <Myrtti> !info console-tools
[03:54] <mneptok> and, as always, one man's opinion.
[03:54] <stdin> IMO the idea thing would be one "master" ubotu which several backups can sync from it, with the IRC council having access (preferably server access) to them all
[03:54] <stdin> *ideal
[03:54] <mneptok> IMO, IRC bots are as much a piece of Ubuntu infrastructure as a wiki.
[03:54] <mneptok> and should be treated as such
[03:55] <mneptok> i.e. hosted in the datacenter
[03:55] <stdin> yep, and usually more used
[03:55] <tonyyarusso> mneptok: that would be nice, but has been turned down.
[03:55] <Myrtti> [23:08] <+jussio1> nalioth, its there now.  http://jussi01.com/ubuntu.db
[03:55] <Myrtti> [23:11] <+jussio1> Myrtti: the jussi01.com one will always be up to date, as  its the actual one in use. 
[03:55] <mneptok> tonyyarusso: and it will continue to be as long as *someone else is hosting it*
[03:55] <tonyyarusso> mneptok: huh?
[03:56] <tonyyarusso> You mean we need to drop it altogether until they ask for it back?
[03:56] <mneptok> tonyyarusso: why should elmo allow it if someone else is already doing the heavy lifting?
[03:56] <mneptok> what leverage does Jono, the CC, or the IRC Council have?
[03:56] <tonyyarusso> So yes, make them see a few days without.
[03:56] <tonyyarusso> Interesting idea.
[03:56] <mneptok> there ya go, Pete. ;)
[03:57] <mneptok> it's puerile, but desperate times call for desperate measures.
[03:57] <Myrtti> I've seen people doing that myself
[03:57] <Myrtti> I've been coaxing people to do that twice myself succeeding in it
[03:57] <mneptok> and if we get what we want, a single person running the bot and providing access to their personal host will be a thing of the past
[03:58] <Myrtti> and I don't like the idea at all
[03:58] <Myrtti> there *HAS* to be some other way of doing it
[03:59] <Pici> It doesnt really sound like 'the ubuntu way'
[03:59] <tonyyarusso> Thing is, I've had a very negative experience dealing with services hosted in the Canonical DC, so I'm not even sure that would be a good thing.
[04:00] <tonyyarusso> Granted, given that ubotu doesn't really exist now, just a "temporary" replacement, it could be a decent time to ask again.
[04:00] <Myrtti> if we blackmail them with shutting down the bots, it's not them who are getting hurt, but us and the even more innocent irc users
[04:01] <mneptok> Pici: /me will be having some convos with Jono, never fear
[04:01] <mneptok> that's "The UBuntu Way" ;)
[04:01] <Myrtti> and I'm more afraid of the humble workers, the doers of the hard work, those like bazhang and ikonia, who are on #ubuntu all the time helping people
[04:01] <Myrtti> they're the ones whos head would explode
[04:02] <Myrtti> I don't think we can afford that
[04:02] <tonyyarusso> Well, we have little choice really.  A grand total of zero of our other options are really reliable.
[04:02] <tonyyarusso> At best, they are as good as what we had, and at worst, not.
[04:03] <mneptok> personally, i think it's time for some far longer discussions about IRC with the CC
[04:03] <Myrtti> yes, it is
[04:03] <mneptok> if i was sabdfl, there would be some changes made, and quick
[04:04] <tonyyarusso> mneptok: care to elaborate?
[04:04] <mneptok> e.g. all #ubuntu* namespace channels are +m. when you join, ChanServ sends you links to the CoC and IRC guidelines. after 60 seconds you get your +v.
[04:05] <mneptok> the !coc and !language factoids become irrelevant. you should already know.
[04:05] <mneptok> add a badwords list with an insta-ban
[04:05] <mneptok> *that* would make doers-of0hard-work heads explode. with delight.
[04:06] <tonyyarusso> hmm
[04:06] <tonyyarusso> You _do_ know that most users aren't bright enough to notice a link sent by chanserv, and would just sit there wondering why nobody was replying, right?  (since they wouldn't notice the "can't send to channel" either)
[04:07] <mneptok> s/know/care/.  and no, i don't.
[04:07] <tonyyarusso> 'k
[04:07] <mneptok> if you can;t see a big tab open in your IRC client with a red "CHanServ" nickname, you're an idiot.
[04:07] <mneptok> :P
[04:08] <mneptok> most users aren;t bright enough to read the !coc factoid when it's sent to them. so we waste time sending URLs that are not read, then eventually banning.
[04:09] <mneptok> if someone doesn't notice, and gets banned, they'll prolly pay more attention when their ban expires.
[04:09] <mneptok> if they don't, they do not learn from mistakes, and prolly don't belong on the Internet, never mind Linux. >:)
[04:14] <mneptok> ok, </rant>. me go home.
[04:16] <Myrtti> icanhas: what would you have on your mind today?
[04:18] <icanhas> Myrtti: it seems i strolled into the wrong place :) so sorry.
[04:18] <elky_work> mneptok, and as i said to you yesterday, unfortunately we are 'Linux for Human Beings', not 'Linux for Civilised, Intelligent and Polite Human Beings
[04:38] <gnomefreak> anyone remember the command to add info to changelog automaticly info= package name line and personal named line
[05:12] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: debchange
[05:12] <mneptok> elky_work: there's nothing that says a human being can;t wait 60 seconds
[05:12] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: its not dch anymore?
[05:13] <gnomefreak> i will test it once i fix permission issues tomorrow thank you tonyyarusso :)
[05:13] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: dch is a symlink to it
[05:16] <gnomefreak> ah ok do i need any args for debchange?
[05:17] <tonyyarusso> no idea
[05:18] <gnomefreak> brb smoke hopefully ill be too tired to be up much longer or this would be night #4 that i havent slept and i rarely take namps during the day
[05:18] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: ill man it tomorrow thank you much
[05:19] <stdin> dch with no args should just add a entry (like dch -a), dch -i increments the release number and dch -e lets you edit the changelog
[05:19]  * stdin has used dch a few times
[05:32] <gnomefreak> stdin: thanks i used it but since i was gone so long i have to re-remeber some things
[05:33] <stdin> I use it whenever I backport the KDE4 packages, so I'm quite used to it
[07:52] <Myrtti> a very, very, very very VERY tired myrtti http://myrtti.fi/cam/
[07:54] <tonyyarusso> Myrtti: looks light out - stay up until morning?
[07:55] <Myrtti> yeah, had one hour of sleep
[07:55] <Myrtti> I feel like stoned
[07:55] <Myrtti> better than before the nap though
[07:55] <tonyyarusso> heh, I'll bet
[07:55] <Myrtti> oh good, the suse logo doesn't show
[07:56] <tonyyarusso> Be thankful I didn't screencap you nearly picking your nose too.
[07:56] <Myrtti> I was probably rubbing my face
[07:56] <tonyyarusso> something like that
[07:56] <tonyyarusso> What camera do you have, and were there any Linux compatibility issues?
[07:56] <Myrtti> and oh yeah, it's pollen time so I probably do have an itchy nose
[07:56] <tonyyarusso> I wouldn't mind having such a thing at some point.
[07:57] <Myrtti> oh, it's builtin laptop one
[07:57] <Myrtti> no compatibility issues whatsoever
[07:57] <tonyyarusso> I take it the updating image thing is b/c you don't have the bandwidth to stream?
[07:57] <tonyyarusso> what laptop?
[07:57] <Myrtti> Acer Aspire 3100
[07:57] <Myrtti> the updating thing is because it's a dirty hack
[07:58] <Myrtti> the pictures are uploaded to the server with sshfs
[07:58] <Myrtti> and they probably aren't in sync at all
[07:58] <tonyyarusso> lol
[07:58] <Myrtti> and the page itself is written with nano by me
[07:58] <Myrtti> so
[07:59] <Myrtti> mjpg_streamer is the software
[08:00] <Myrtti> camera is uvc something
[08:00] <Myrtti> tonyyarusso: if you're looking for a camera, I heard some of the camera/headphone packages skype sells are linux compatible
[08:01] <Myrtti> I've got one waiting for me to build a Guinea Pig Cam
[08:02] <tonyyarusso> Well, it's not at the top of the purchase list, but I'll keep that in mind.
[08:02] <Myrtti> god I look exactly what I am. A bloated, sweatty, smelly, dirty, tired nerd.
[08:02] <tonyyarusso> Right now I'm looking to expand my portable audio player collection, along with some better earbuds.
[08:02] <Myrtti> earbuds are great on the theoretical side
[08:02] <Myrtti> the practice is different
[08:03] <tonyyarusso> I'm only really the last one right now - just showered, and while I put on some weight over the winter, that really only brings me towards the realm of normal sized.
[08:03] <tonyyarusso> Myrtti: explain?
[08:03] <Myrtti> yours truly has managed to break three pairs skullcandy earbudz (whatever) and a pair of koss the plugs
[08:04] <Myrtti> at it's best I broke skullcandies forthnightly
[08:04] <Myrtti> took month and a half to break kosses
[08:04] <Myrtti> when the one's I've got now break, I'm switching to some other design paradigm
[08:05] <tonyyarusso> what sort of breakage?
[08:05] <tonyyarusso> (actually, I guess technically what I'm looking for are called "canal" whatevers rather than earbuds)
[08:05] <Myrtti> its always that other one goes mute
[08:06] <Myrtti> I imagine the reason might be that I've got really tight ear canals and I really have to jam them in
[08:06] <Myrtti> they're great as long as they work
[08:08] <tonyyarusso> I'm looking at various kinds with silicone tip thingies that are supposed to work without jamming things in so tight.
[08:09] <Hobbsee> jussi01: it's broken, though
[08:10] <tonyyarusso> Turns out these things are friggin' expensive though.
[08:11] <tonyyarusso> Bose sells a pair for $99, and Ultimate Ears has ones over a thousand if you're insane.
[08:11] <Myrtti> !msgthebot =~ s/ubotu/ubottu/
[08:11] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[08:11] <Myrtti> !msgthebot
[08:13] <Myrtti> ok, time to turn the camera off for a while ;-)
[08:13]  * Hobbsee agrees with mneptok, though
[08:19] <Hobbsee> what if jussi01 gets hit by a bus?
[08:19] <Hobbsee> hey look, the infrastructure went bang again.
[08:20] <Myrtti> Hobbsee: as it might look like we're building a permanent infrastructure here, I for one acknowledge that this isn't meant to be such
[08:21] <Myrtti> Hobbsee: the way I see it, it has to be robust and permanent-looking enough to make us survive until a better solution is found
[08:21] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: it'll get found faster the less people spend effort on it now :P
[08:21] <Hobbsee> good part of the cycle, though
[08:23] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: at least this way, something should actually get done.
[08:23] <Hobbsee> it's a pity things have to get to crisis point before people will react, though
[08:23] <Myrtti> Hobbsee: I disagree with both you and mneptok about the "less" thing though, as I said yesterday
[08:24] <Hobbsee> wouldn't like to see jono actually having a heart attack or something from it, though.
[08:24] <Myrtti> I've done my share of blackmailing the apes climbing higher on the tree and I don't want to do it again
[08:24] <Hobbsee> blackmail?  don't know if i'd call it that
[08:25] <Myrtti> "blackmail"
[08:26] <Myrtti> my arms hurt
[08:27] <Myrtti> and the thing is no matter how much effort we put into making the system as robust and permanent-looking as we can, we can never get it to be more robust than it was three days ago as long as the main bots are run by a single person
[08:28] <Myrtti> I think that has already been proven, there's no reason to slack on the effort of making the system as fool proof as we can with these resources, which do not actually diffrentiate from the one we had few days ago
[08:28] <Hobbsee> that wasn't robust.  that didn't have a working bantracker, and we were screwed if seveas wasn't around.
[08:28] <Myrtti> the basics haven't changed
[08:29] <Myrtti> Hobbsee: s/three days/anytime it was in "perfect" working condition of its best/
[08:30] <Myrtti> and as you said, wasn't robust
[08:30] <Myrtti> qed, point proven, we need A Great Big Instance to support the infrastructure
[08:31] <Myrtti> "as robust and permanent-looking _as we can_"
[08:32] <Hobbsee> just don't make it permanent enough that canonical IS can ignore it indefinetly.
[08:33] <Myrtti> !bot
[08:34] <Myrtti> that's exactly the reason I'm against renaming our stand-in bots as ubotus
[08:34] <Myrtti> and exactly the reason why all the features should't be enables
[08:34] <Myrtti> enabled
[08:34] <Hobbsee> ahhh, right, so you're not aiming for that.  good
[08:35] <Myrtti> the transition phase should be as invisible as it can for the normal users
[08:35] <Myrtti> that's why I'm aiming for robustness and fool-proof and so on
[08:35] <Hobbsee> yup
[08:36] <Myrtti> so in case jussio1 kicks the bucket while we're waiting for the deus ex machinae, we won't be screwed and ***-***ked all over again
[08:36] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:37] <Hobbsee> i almost have root access on that machine, too
[08:37] <Hobbsee> but yeah
[08:37] <Myrtti> if jono et al want proof on how vulnerable the system is, all we need to do is to mute the bots totally on all the channels when they want proof
[08:38] <Myrtti> but our heads would explode with the amount of complaints if we systematically refused the bots all the time
[08:38] <Hobbsee> the bots not being there at all is more effective.
[08:39] <Myrtti> the method of exampling the effect is free of choice
[08:39] <Hobbsee> true
[08:42] <tonyyarusso> Better yet, have jono /nick ubotu and put it on hilight :)
[08:42]  * Hobbsee snorts
[08:43] <Hobbsee> maybe put jono on a highlight for every few commands
[08:43] <Myrtti> just as long we don't make the users the guinea pigs for $time
[08:45] <Myrtti> I don't know if I made any sense there, but I hope it explained what I think of the situation
[08:46] <Myrtti> ok, now I'm REALLY off to the shower where I was going to when I shut down the webcam
[08:56] <Myrtti> and for that matter, we should track down *all* the bots we're using "officially" and show that the problem isn't only one bot. but that I guess was already kindof said.
[09:17] <Myrtti> If I get really bored, I might write an email to the list about my opinions
[10:33] <jussio1> Good morning all
[10:33] <ikonia> morning
[10:34] <jussio1> Hobbsee: whats broken?
[10:34] <Hobbsee> jussio1: permissions
[10:48] <Mez> Hobbsee, has anyone actually tried talking to canonical of late regarding this
[10:49] <Mez> also - apparently the ubuntu-eu guys dont mind hosting ubotu
 Mez: the ubuntu-eu guys already offered to host it in #ubuntu-locoteams the other day.
[10:49] <Hobbsee> Mez: unsure.
[10:49] <Hobbsee> Mez: i don't have connections into IS
[10:51] <jussio1> Is there going to be some sort of meeting with the relevant people about this?
[10:51] <Hobbsee> i presume so, but i know no details.
[10:52] <Mez> Hobbsee/anyone, you have any objections to me poking sabdfl regarding this?
[10:52] <Hobbsee> Mez: none at all.
[10:52] <jussio1> I think thats the _first_ thing we need to do!
[10:53] <Mez> he doesn't seem to mind talking to me for some reason
[10:53] <Mez> I've just pinged him
[10:53] <Hobbsee> get him in here?
[10:54] <Mez> just pinged him to ask him to lemme know when he has a little time to talk
[10:54] <jussio1> yeah, get him to join here. 
[10:55] <Mez> wait until he responds first
[11:13] <Mez> Nafallo, you said something about ubuntu-eu and ubotu ?
[11:15] <Nafallo> Mez: yes. there was a conversation between Seveas and yann2 (I think it was him) some days ago where they offered hosting the bot and also asked for the logbots to be integrated into it.
[11:16] <Mez> ah, *sighs*
[11:16] <jussio1> stdin: that was interesting?
[11:16] <stdin> jussio1: yeah, strange
[11:20]  * jussio1 sighs...
[11:21] <Myrtti> Yay for headaches
[11:23] <elkbuntu> Mez, he doesnt mind talking to anybody, to be quite frank.
[11:24] <Mez> elkbuntu, yes, indeed :D
[11:24] <Mez> (which is a great thing imo)
[11:25] <elkbuntu> it is. he holds no particular people in any special regard. it's nice.
[11:26] <jussio1> ok, Im kinda frustrated at other stuff here, bit worried Ill take it out wrong. someone might want to have a look into #ubuntu and keep an eye... bit ot and stuff. 
[11:31] <Mez> elkbuntu, I'm sure he does hold some people in special regard (mjg, elmo, all his staff, etc etc)
[11:34] <Mez> I dont know why I picked mjg and elmo though, those were just the first names that came to mind :P
[11:50] <persia> Hi.  If there are any bot wranglers about, it would be handy to have a bot responding to bug numbers with URLs in #ubuntu-bugs.  Of course, if there's a reason this doesn't work today, thanks for your efforts, and no rush.
[11:50] <elkbuntu> Mez, they're the most entertaining
[11:50] <Mez> elkbuntu, probably true :D
[11:50] <elkbuntu> jussi01, if you're still within arm's reach of your computer... ^^
[11:53] <Myrtti> I just love you all. Feel loved. Huge hug.
[11:55]  * Mez takes the bong away from Myrtti  :P
[11:56] <stdin> I don't think the bug reporting is something you can do easily, looking at the config it needs an IMAP account to get bug emails
[11:56] <stdin> certainly nothing else obvious in the config that has to do with printing new bugs
[11:56] <jussio1> If there are any staff about, some sort of cloak and a relaxation of the channel limit for ubottu would be nice. 
[11:57] <Mez> jussi01, can't it use the old ubotu password?
[11:57] <jussio1> Mez: possibly, if we knew it...
[11:57] <nalioth> it's fine
[11:58] <Myrtti> Theres been so much positive energy going on from my point of view. Peeps helping each other, etc
[11:58]  * Mez hugs Myrtti back
[12:00] <jussio1> nalioth: ? what is fine?
[12:01] <nalioth> jussio1: ubottu and his thousand channels
[12:01] <jussio1> nalioth: ahh. thank you :)
[12:02] <Myrtti> I know positive feedback keeps me going, so in case some is running low on their hug-o-meter, dont, You are all doing excellent job.
[12:03] <Myrtti> s/some/someone/
[12:03]  * jussio1 huggles Myrtti
[13:46] <Amaranth> Who is running the bot again?
[13:46] <Hobbsee> jussio1: 
[13:46] <Amaranth> I need a bot to camp in #ubuntu-release-party
[13:46] <Hobbsee> somehow, my account on that server is borkened.
[13:47] <Amaranth> Also, I need someone to give me back access to #ubuntu+1
[13:47] <Hobbsee> oh dear.  rtorrent finally crashed.
[13:48] <Amaranth> Seveas apparently took my access when he closed the channel and 'forgot' to give it back
[13:49] <PriceChild> Amaranth: wait... why was it removed when it was closed?
[13:49] <Amaranth> Because I was being funny and rejoining the channel
[13:49] <Amaranth> Not that it mattered, no one else was there
[13:49] <PriceChild> ah so he was just being funny too
[13:49] <Amaranth> Right
[13:49] <Hobbsee> died 21 hours ago :(
[13:50] <Amaranth> But I think he planned on leaving it off until he reopened the channel :P
[13:51] <nalioth> why do you need a bot in #u-r-p ?
[13:53] <elkbuntu> he's joking... i *think*
[13:54] <nalioth> which is why i'm asking
[13:55] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee:# Incoming: 7.70 GB
[13:55] <elkbuntu> # Outgoing: 153 GB
[13:55] <elkbuntu> # Total: 161 GB
[13:55] <elkbuntu> You have used
[13:55] <elkbuntu> 81%
[13:55] <elkbuntu> of your monthly transfer. 
[13:55] <wgrant> elkbuntu: Not a bad effort.
[13:56] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: i'm sitting at 167mb - 84%
[13:56] <Hobbsee> still a reasonable # on the trackers, though
[13:56] <wgrant> Hobbsee: That sounds like an Optus plan.
[13:56] <elkbuntu> wgrant, indeed. Hobbsee and i combined have managed to churn out 161+167gb
[13:56] <Hobbsee> wgrant: oh?
[13:56] <elkbuntu> wgrant, linodes
[13:56] <wgrant> elkbuntu: I'm aware.
[13:57] <elkbuntu> then what sounds like an optus plan?
[13:57] <wgrant> Hobbsee: You said MB rather than GB. Only Optus and Telstra could ever have such low limits.
[13:57]  * elkbuntu reads up
[13:57] <elkbuntu> haha!
[13:57] <Hobbsee> oh, gah.
[13:57]  * Hobbsee meant GB :P
[13:58]  * elkbuntu checks the rtorrent screen session
[13:58] <elkbuntu> it's still churning it out
[13:59] <Hobbsee> hehe
[13:59]  * wgrant only seeded a bit over 2GiB this release.
[13:59] <wgrant> But 256kbps upstream doesn't go far :(
[14:00] <Hobbsee> ouch
[14:00] <elkbuntu> wgrant, yeah, that's about all i've ever seeded, i have a decent income now and can afford a yummy linode
[14:01] <elkbuntu> it's been great fun for both hobbsee and i
[14:01] <Hobbsee> hehe, yeah ;)
[14:02] <Amaranth> nalioth: I want a bot in #ubuntu-release-party so the modes will stick
[14:02] <elkbuntu> which reminds me, i need to renew
[14:02] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: set the modes?
[14:02] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: isn't it direct debit?
[14:02] <Amaranth> They go away when everyone leaves
[14:02] <Amaranth> Then the first person to join gets in
[14:02] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, i only did a month, i wanna pay the year out now while the american dollar is worthless
[14:02] <nalioth> Amaranth: look.
[14:02] <Pici> Amaranth: set gaurd on so chanserv sits in there
[14:02] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: that's what i did too
[14:03] <Amaranth> Pici: Can't, I don't have access :P
[14:03] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: even so, i thought it was a montly direct debit.
[14:03]  * Amaranth is not the council
[14:03] <Amaranth> Also, when are we going to reopen #ubuntu+1? When UDS starts?
[14:04] <elkbuntu> nalioth, can you do the usual between-release locking of #u-r-p please
[14:04] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: sometime after it's usable.
[14:04] <Hobbsee> like, vaguely usable.
[14:04] <nalioth> elkbuntu: it's all been done
[14:04] <elkbuntu> then what is Amaranth harping on about?
[14:04] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: We can't wait for alpha 1
[14:05] <nalioth> elkbuntu: he's not looked in the past few minutes
[14:05] <elkbuntu> aha
[14:05] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: yes we can
[14:05] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: You realize that's the middle of June, right?
[14:06] <Pici> Its been less than a week since the last release
[14:06] <Hobbsee> no, but your point?
[14:06] <Amaranth> Right, but Hobbsee wants to leave it closed for 2 months
[14:06] <Hobbsee> i said vaguely usable.  i didn't specify a time, iirc.
[14:06] <elkbuntu> Amaranth, i hope you're being facetious atm
[14:06] <Daviey> Is it really a problem if it just /stays/ open?
[14:06] <nalioth> Daviey: yes
[14:07] <Amaranth> elkbuntu: No, not really
[14:07] <elkbuntu> Daviey, you can sit in there and deal with all the dopies if you really want
[14:07] <Amaranth> We should open it sometime during UDS
[14:07] <Hobbsee> Daviey: yes, it is.
[14:07] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: why?
[14:07] <elkbuntu> Amaranth, traditionally it opens when the toolchain is out and usable, or so i thought
[14:08] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: Because that's probably when people will start jumping on
[14:08] <Amaranth> elkbuntu: That'll be before UDS even then
[14:08] <nalioth> elkbuntu: yes
[14:08] <elkbuntu> Amaranth, see, you're making a fuss over nothing.
[14:10] <Amaranth> But I want a place where I can discuss the finer points of a broken libstdc++ with informed users. :)
[14:11] <Amaranth> Although #ubuntu+1 has lacked informed users for the last two releases :/
[14:11] <ikonia> Amaranth: if you find that channel....let me know please
[14:11]  * Pici shrugs
[14:12] <elkbuntu> informed users... internet... are you two on crack?
[14:13] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: they used to exist in there
[14:13] <ikonia> they did
[14:13] <ikonia> now its "hi, I just installed the alpha and compiz won't work...I NEED this to work for my business now HELP!"
[14:14] <elkbuntu> yeah, that channel does need an iq test at times. pity about the whole CoC thing.
[14:14] <elkbuntu> although, it would fit under being respectful and courteous to those who belong in +1
[14:14] <ikonia> to be honest, it needs some guys to sit in it and enforce the topic (in my view)
[14:15] <Amaranth> It's because we don't have daniels to break X once a week anymore
[14:15] <ikonia> the topic is quite clear
[14:15] <Pici> I find +1 to be informed enough to not need hand-holding for troubleshooting up until about the last alpha
[14:15] <ikonia> it's beta, it's for development/support not for someone who is a new user wanting to show off compiz with a hardy graphic
[14:15] <ikonia> Pici: I think thats the key that changed
[14:15] <ikonia> Pici: it used to be full of people running +1 for worthwhile reasons
[14:15] <ikonia> now it's almost a kudos card to be l33t or an ill advised move for someone who wants the latest package version
[14:16] <Pici> ikonia: I think it just part of the process of becoming a more popular distro
[14:16] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: i like mneptok's ideas.
[14:16] <Amaranth> We would discuss how daniels made our life miserable this week and swap fixes
[14:16] <ikonia> Pici: I concur with that
[14:16] <Pici> jack?
[14:16] <elkbuntu> ikonia, or someone who's been banned from the rest of the ubuntu channels...
[14:16] <ikonia> Pici: I would like to see it enforced a bit more in terms of the topic/spirit of progressing +1 in a worthwhile manner
[14:16] <ikonia> elkbuntu: or that too.....
[14:17] <elkbuntu> how about we in this convo here and now resolve to do just that.
[14:17] <elkbuntu> we keep -motu and -devel relatively clean, +1 should be as clean as those
[14:17] <ikonia> I find -motu very valuable and devel when needed, I'd love to see it like that
[14:17] <ikonia> (but thats only a personal preference)
[14:17] <Amaranth> I just ignore questions from people who obviously have no idea what they're doing
[14:18] <ikonia> Amaranth: it runis the flow of a worthwhile discussion and the nitty grittyness of the channel
[14:18] <ikonia> (again my view only)
[14:18] <Amaranth> They'll give up and reinstall the stable version or they'll learn and be someone we want in there
[14:18] <ikonia> Amaranth: I disagree on that
[14:18] <elkbuntu> Amaranth, the problem is that ignoring those people does little as they dont lack the patience to tolerate being ignored
[14:18] <elkbuntu> s/lack/have/
[14:18] <ikonia> the last two releases have been pester tha channel until they get what they want
[14:19] <elkbuntu> yeah, what ikonia said
[14:19] <Amaranth> i don't even talk in there much anymore
[14:19] <ikonia> Amaranth: I don't any more, which is a shame
[14:19] <ikonia> it was a real value added channel
[14:19] <Amaranth> unless i'm talking to RAOF or crdlb
[14:20] <ikonia> it's a tough line to walk, 
[14:20] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, can you work on finding someone to throw in a few extra X breakages? :)
[14:20] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[14:20]  * Hobbsee could upload X?
[14:20] <elkbuntu> hahahaha
[14:20] <Amaranth> I think I could get bryce to break every other upload :)
[14:21] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, just let kmos upload X :)
[14:21]  * Pici is reminded of the 'how do you check bugfixes' comment
[14:22] <Pici> I'm not sure how we can dissuade people from using +1 as a general support channel besides the warnings we already put in the channel topic
[14:22] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, you may now stop laughing.
[14:22]  * Hobbsee stab elkbuntu
[14:22] <Hobbsee> Pici: now, i *had* managed to forget that one.
[14:22] <elkbuntu> Pici, dont underestimate the value of their GUI going byebye
[14:23] <Hobbsee> Pici: although i thought the question today about "so, how do i modify debian/control" was also good.
[14:24]  * elkbuntu blinks
[14:24] <Hobbsee> (from coolbhavi)
[14:25] <ikonia> I think your going to have an issue with kcaj in #ubuntu shortly
[14:26] <Hobbsee> fun
[14:27]  * Pici watches
[14:37]  * Hobbsee blinks
[14:37] <Hobbsee> [23:36] <Kcaj> Is there an easy way to edit cron?
[14:37] <Hobbsee> [23:36] <-- mikeok has left this server (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)).
[14:37] <Hobbsee> [23:36] <Kcaj> I only need it for cron jobs
[14:37] <Hobbsee> what, exactly, does he expect it to be used for, *other* than cron jobs?
[14:37] <ikonia> as I suggested, I think you may have pain coming
[14:38] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, norc jobs of course
[14:39] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: oh.  of course.
[14:40] <ikonia> Pici: sorry, I thought he was going to try the tell the guy struggling with lilo to use the windows disk
[14:40] <Pici> ikonia: I have no idea who he was talking to, just looked like randomness to me
[14:40] <ikonia> the guy I was with was struggling with lilo on the mbr....I smelt a trap again
[14:56] <popey> uhm, I've just read back and I can't see the _actual_ reason +1 is closed, I know it's done every release, just can't see why
[14:56] <popey> and why there's such opposition to opening it back up again
[14:56] <nalioth> popey: it is done so that it doesn't become #ubuntu_
[14:57] <popey> eh?
[14:57] <nalioth> it is done so that there is a definite state of "this is for developers of the next release"
[14:57] <nalioth> popey: are you not familiar with backup nicks such as nalioth_ or popey_   ?
[14:58] <popey> how is there ambiguity on that score?
[14:58] <Jack_Sparrow> popey +1 signifies the NEXT release, Hardy is no longer the next release it is the current release
[14:58] <popey> yes
[14:58] <popey> sorry, i just saw #ubuntu_ and wondered if you'd mistyped
[14:58] <filo1234> we
[14:59] <nalioth> if it stayed open with no code, newbs and others would just use it for current support
[14:59] <Pici> Is Intrepid in such a state where #ubuntu+1 would even be necessary? 
[14:59] <Hobbsee> popey: mainly, because people can't read the topic, and so keep asking for hardy support in there.  happened for gutsy too.
[14:59] <Pici> filo1234: How can we help you?
[14:59] <popey> Pici: yes, it's under development!
[14:59] <popey> there are specs that would be good to discuss in there
[14:59] <popey> gauge interest, collaborate etc
[15:00] <nalioth> popey: there are better channels to discuss specs and such
[15:00] <popey> before UDS of course when they get discussed at length
[15:00] <popey> such as?
[15:00] <Pici> I like hearing good reasons, like those, instead of just 'because.'
[15:00] <nalioth> -motu ?
[15:00] <nalioth> -dev ?
[15:00] <Hobbsee> now, members of the irc council....
[15:00] <Hobbsee> would it be wrong to ask why the mails that have hit the list do not match with the archives versions?
[15:01] <popey> Hobbsee: yeah, I couldn't understand that
[15:01] <Hobbsee> I've had 2 mails of mien pass through that address, but they're not on the web interface.
[15:01] <popey> nalioth: I disagree, some specs aren't in a state where developers can comment
[15:01] <popey> need input from users
[15:02] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: what's the story?  You appear to be the list admin.
[15:02] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, i was personally unaware there was an issue
[15:02] <elkbuntu> although i'd begger a guess at the mod queue
[15:02] <popey> the first mail in the thread never made it to the archive for example
[15:02] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2008-April/
[15:02] <Pici> odd
[15:03] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: i've written two mails, neither of which show up, sent directly to seveas and the irc council.
[15:03] <Hobbsee> er, ubuntu-irc
[15:03] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: I thought that was odd also.. when I saw it earlier I figured it perhaps needed time to get itself sorted. I wonder if CCs aren't lsited for some reason?
[15:04] <Hobbsee> they're showing as being to the right address.
[15:04] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, as i said... -ENOCLUE and -EPOKETHEMODMORE
[15:04] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: it wasn't a CC.  And no other list appears to have this problem.
[15:05] <elkbuntu> that said, i havent had any irc or council mail today
[15:06] <Hobbsee> was only rich's mail there today.
[15:06] <Hobbsee> 7.36am local time
[15:06] <PriceChild> elkbuntu: just approved Hobbsee's latest mail
[15:06] <elkbuntu> aha
[15:06] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, there you go
[15:07] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: so, why was it being held up in the mod queue, if it had already been sent to those people on the listA?
[15:07] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, need you anything more than the word "Mailman"?
[15:07] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: i admin a few lists of that.  i've not seen such an option?
[15:07] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: what has been held up in mod queue?
[15:08] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, mailman does weird and wonderful things all the time
[15:08]  * Hobbsee wonders exactly what mail PriceChild just approved, seeing as her two had already been received back
[15:08] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: they're still not appearing on https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2008-April/
[15:08] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: i just approved your mail to irc-council
[15:08] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: oh, thanks.
[15:09] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: dunno why they haven't kept you guys on the CC.
[15:09] <PriceChild> I think perhaps I should add people to the auto-approve queue on there when they send one sane message..
[15:09] <PriceChild> does catch a reasonable amount of spam though.
[15:09] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: dennis' original mail isn't on the archives page of ubuntu-irc either.  what gives?
[15:09] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, for non-busy lists it's usually advisable
[15:10] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, i'd chance it being mailman being dicky, and will probably require someone harrassing a sysadmin to figure wtf
[15:11] <Mez> -> mailman@lists.ubuntu.com ;)
[15:11]  * Hobbsee also thought it used to be there before.
[15:11] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: I have no idea. I can't delete archives... once a mail is sent and accepted then sent through, afaik it should be there.
[15:11] <Mez> yeah, mailing list owners dont have power over the archives. only the sysadmins unfortunately 
[15:12] <Daviey> The original mail wasn't on the archive 
[15:14] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: would you mind contacting IS about it please?  Having a full log is generally a good idea.
[15:14] <PriceChild> IS?
[15:14] <Hobbsee> canonical sysadmins.
[15:14] <Daviey> canonIcal sySadmin
[15:15] <Hobbsee> i assume they might want it for the meetings.
[15:15] <PriceChild> Daviey: :)
[15:15] <PriceChild> The rt address?
[15:15] <Daviey> http://rt.ubuntu.com
[15:15] <Daviey> ubuntu:ubuntu
[15:16] <Mez> PriceChild, for issues regarding mailing lists, the quickest way to get the issue to the right place is to email mailman@lists.ubuntu.com
[15:16] <PriceChild> uuu shiny
[15:16] <Mez> (which shoves it into the right RT queue automatically)
[15:16] <PriceChild> ok will do that then?
[15:20] <elkbuntu> Mez, ask the nearest canadian how trustworthy RT is
[15:21] <elkbuntu> meanwhile, im off to bed
[15:21] <Mez> elkbuntu, I just asked Mike... and he says he likes it
[15:22] <PriceChild> https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=1978
[15:22] <PriceChild> just found my request for joins/parts/removes/kicks/modes to be readded into it also, assigned 'General' and left :/
[15:23] <PriceChild> *into irclogs.
[15:26] <jpatrick> PriceChild: I talked to a sysadmin about that, he said he'd pass it on to the guy in charge of the bot...
[16:24] <Myrtti> whuzzup
[17:03] <LjL> hello bazhang
[17:04] <bazhang> hello LjL
[17:05] <LjL> bazhang will have a crack at being an op in #ubuntu, any doubts on irc commands, ask
[17:06] <bazhang> thanks very much LjL
[17:07] <Pici> woo
[17:07]  * jussio1 wonders if bazhang is cold... Id imagine without a cloak he is ;)
[17:07] <Pici> bazhang: What irc client do you use?
[17:08] <jussio1> NOTICE: ubottu will be restarted in a few moments. with any luck it should be back in a matter of seconds/minutes
[17:08] <jpatrick> bazhang: welcome! (at last)
[17:09] <Mez> jussi01, I believe he needs to be a member first ?
[17:09] <gnomefreak> jussio1: cae back fast to mozilla channel
[17:10] <Mez> and bazhang uses konversation
[17:10] <jussio1> Mez: still he can have a unaffiliated one
[17:10] <nalioth> Mez: nope
[17:10] <bazhang> wow ;)
[17:10] <Mez> nalioth, I assumed that jussi01 meant an ubuntu cloak
[17:10] <nalioth> ah
[17:11] <nalioth> anyone can be an op, so long as they can demonstrate prior insanity  :P
[17:11] <Hobbsee> nalioth: i object.
[17:12] <Hobbsee> nalioth: clueful insanity, please.
[17:12] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: I thought you went to bed?
[17:12] <Hobbsee> nalioth: or only some forms of insanity.
[17:12] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: i appear to have failed so far.
[17:12] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: the light is off.  doe sthat count?
[17:13] <jpatrick> hmm, /me needs rest too
[17:20] <jussio1> Ok, sorry for the interuptions people, the bot will be down again for a moment. 
[17:24] <Pici> jussio1: What are you doing that requires actually shutting down the bot?
[17:32] <Myrtti> hey look, even I'm an op.
[17:33] <Myrtti> Proves that everyone is clearly out of their minds
[17:33] <bazhang> sorry all--just getting the rundown
[17:33] <bazhang> thanks LjL
[17:33] <nalioth> bazhang: if you stand still too long, you'll get it
[17:34] <bazhang> thanks nalioth
[17:35] <nalioth> bazhang: --- rundown
[17:35] <bazhang> nalioth: oh haha
[17:37] <nalioth> you guys, do you have 'morick' doing weird stuff in any channels?  ( i'm in #kubuntu-offtopic poking it )
[17:37] <Pici> nalioth: someone in #freenode was just complaining about it actaully.
[17:37] <LjL> nalioth: he's not in any channels i'm it except it, but p
[17:38] <LjL> yes, that
[17:38] <nalioth> Pici: yes, that is why i'm looking into it
[17:38] <Pici> nalioth: o
[17:38] <LjL> i think you've stopped looking into it
[17:38] <nalioth> and now it's taken care of
[17:38] <Amaranth> jussi01: Can we get ubottu in #ubuntu-desktop?
[17:38] <LjL> wait, is that still tobmaif?
[17:39] <LjL> hm, java user... nah
[17:39] <jussio1> ubottu: join #ubuntu-desktop
[17:39] <jussio1> Amaranth: ^ got it now?
[17:39] <Amaranth> Thanks!
[17:39] <jussio1> YW :)
[17:48] <jpatrick> ubottu: make me a cup of tea
[17:49] <LjL> you need to run ./configure first, silly
[17:49]  * jpatrick thinks he should of said "please"
[18:56] <ompaul> !logs
[18:56]  * ompaul looks at the topic and gets a funny feeling of dejavous
[18:56] <ompaul> all over again
[18:57] <Nafallo> ooh
[18:57] <bazhang> ;)
[18:57] <Nafallo> ah bot! :-)
[18:57] <Pici> no, u bot
[18:58] <bazhang> so no 'op' ing in here?
[18:58] <stdin> just like in #ubuntu, you only op when you need to
[18:58] <bazhang> thanks stdin
[18:59] <stdin> though we all get a nice shiny +v :)
[18:59] <bazhang> time to read up on all this :)
[19:00] <stdin> besides, you can't op, you only have level 5, like me 
[19:00]  * ompaul growls at wiki uploading time
[19:00] <bazhang> stdin: so level one is just a meagre few?
[19:01] <stdin> take a look at "/msg chanserv access #ubuntu-ops list" and "/msg chanserv level #ubuntu-ops list" for what the levels can do
[19:01] <stdin> basically level 5 here means you get auto-voiced
[19:01] <bazhang> thanks stdin
[20:05] <ompaul> propose opening +1 
[20:31] <PriceChild> Hmmm need a job.
[20:33] <Mez> PriceChild, no comment
[20:36] <Myrtti> PriceChild: welcome to Finland
[20:37] <Myrtti> http://www.kampanjasivu.fi/workinfinland/
[20:38] <Myrtti> number of polarbears: 0
[20:38] <Myrtti> LIES
[20:38] <Myrtti> we have 3 (three) polar bears.
[20:39] <Myrtti> they're in a zoo, but who counts.
[20:40] <Mez> Myrtti, lol *hugs*
[20:40] <Mez> random as hell - nice to see some light-heartedness in here
[20:41] <Nafallo> :-)
[20:41] <Myrtti> /me contemplates on kicking the webcam on
[20:41]  * Mez nominates Myrtti as the official Ubuntu IRC team Cheerleader
[20:41] <Myrtti> woo \o/
[20:42] <Mez> bzr init --dirstate-tagas
[20:42] <Mez> argh
[20:42] <Mez> typed wrong command in wrong window
[20:42] <Nafallo> :-)
[20:43] <ompaul> Mez, and not for the last time most likely .... ;-)
[20:43]  * ompaul runs around in circles
[20:43] <Mez> ompaul, I always do it...
[20:43] <Mez> It's cause of too many monitors
[20:43]  * Mez needs focus follows brain
[20:44] <ompaul> Mez, please upgrade to brain 1.01
[20:44] <Mez> sudo apt-get install brain=1.01
[20:44] <ompaul> you can't even patch the one you have atm :)
[20:44] <ompaul> pin up your brain ;-)
[20:44] <Mez> Error: no package "brain" was found
[20:45] <PriceChild> Mez: hmm? :)
[20:45] <Mez> I walked in to: <PriceChild> Hmmm need a job.
[20:45] <jdong> Mez: he's considering a career in adult entertainment.
[20:46]  * Mez was thinking he was on about another kind of job
[20:46]  * Mez sighs
[20:46] <PriceChild> Yeah... I've been running a few ideas past jdong.
[20:46] <Mez> PriceChild, well, you've got the right man there *hands jdong back his pimp hat*
[20:46] <Daviey> i'd pay £10 to watch a pole dance by PriceChild 
[20:46] <PriceChild> Mez: what kind of job?
[20:46] <jdong> lol
[20:46] <Mez> Daviey, hehe... see /msg
[20:46] <PriceChild> Daviey: is it the hair that does it for you?
[20:47] <jdong> PriceChild: what hair where?
[20:47]  * jdong winces
[20:47] <PriceChild> Oi! stop talking about your fantasies about me in private Mez!!!
[20:47] <Mez> PriceChild, *chuckles*
[20:47]  * Mez composes an email
[20:47] <Daviey> :)
[20:47] <Daviey> Mez: That is rude, and how did you take those photos?
[20:47] <PriceChild> I did wonder why the webcam light went on those times..
[20:47] <jdong> PriceChild: s/(in) (private)/\2 \1/
[20:47] <jdong> fixed it for you.
[20:48] <PriceChild> jdong: how rude!!! :O
[20:49]  * Mez pastes Daviey a copy of the email he just sent
[20:52] <LjL> jdong: and you win the Laziest Regex Award, too
[20:53] <jdong> :D
[20:53] <Mez> LjL, nah, I won it when half asleep the other day
[20:53] <Mez> s/(.)/\1/
[20:53] <Mez> oh, no
[20:53] <Mez> s/(.)/\1/i
[20:54] <LjL> well, that's... half asleep, not lazy
[20:55] <Mez> LjL, true ;)
[20:55] <Mez> but the i made all the difference
[21:14] <Myrtti> oh dear
[21:14] <Myrtti> I was talking to Nafallo and LjL in Swedish in -irc and thought I might say something about the webcam to Mez here
[21:15] <Myrtti> took me a while to realise trying to tell it to Mez in Swedish is probably useless
[21:15] <Nafallo> hehe
[21:16] <Myrtti> and I even started to tell that ^ in Swedish
[21:16] <Mez> Myrtti, specially as my swedish friend is currently afk
[21:16] <Mez> Myrtti, it's very red - and no smiles :(
[21:16] <Mez> well, orange
[21:16] <Myrtti> Miia Ranta, mental adjustment: FAIL
[21:16] <Mez> you're going for the ubuntu theme arent you
[21:16] <Nafallo> Mez: I'm not AFK ;-)
[21:17] <Mez> Nafallo, ok, my Swedish colleahe
[21:17] <Mez> and Nafallo I thought you lived in London/
[21:17] <Nafallo> Mez: well yea... that doesn't really change where I came from :-)
[21:17] <Mez> Nafallo, hmmles
[21:17] <Myrtti> oh hell. I'm now thinking in swedish
[21:18] <Myrtti> /me slaps forehead
[21:18] <Nafallo> victory is mine! :-)
[21:20] <Myrtti> /me contemplates on turning the laptop camera around on it's hinges and show MOM
[21:20] <Myrtti> probably too lowsy lighting
[21:21] <Mez> get a torch
[21:22] <Myrtti> I hate allergies
[21:29] <Myrtti> mweep.
[21:31]  * Mez throws somethign at Myrtti 
[21:54] <mohi> hi :)
[21:54] <mohi> where is ubotu? :D
[21:54] <Myrtti> !bot
[21:55] <mohi> :D
[21:56] <Myrtti> anything else?
[21:56] <mohi> Myrtti: doesnt ubottu comes to other channels?
[21:56] <Myrtti> it will probably never be on all the same channels ubotu was in
[21:56] <mohi> s/comes/come
[21:57] <Myrtti> but it's on a few, we try not to load it too much yet, and besides, he's only a stand-in
[21:57] <Myrtti> what channel in particular did you have on your mind?
[21:58] <mohi> aha.. ok! ty Myrtti
[21:58] <mohi> Myrtti: ubuntu-ir
[21:58] <Myrtti> I'm not sure it's on uk either ;-)
[21:58] <mohi> oH! :D
[21:58] <Myrtti> it's on au
[21:59] <Myrtti> oh well.
[21:59] <mohi> ok. :)
[21:59] <Nafallo> "nose powdered" *ASG*
[21:59] <mohi> GoodLuck friends :)
[21:59] <Myrtti> asg?
[21:59] <Myrtti> did it appea...
[21:59] <Myrtti> ok
[22:00] <Nafallo> Myrtti: asgarv == lol in Swedish ;-)
[22:00] <Myrtti> ah
[23:37] <RyanPrior> What happened to ubotu?
[23:47] <Nafallo> !bot