[00:09] question: Is "centered maxpect" scheduled for re-inclusion in KDE with 4.1? [00:09] I miss that rather strongly [01:59] stdin: ping [02:16] yay, power is back on! [02:17] Ha ha I just saw you login too. I was going to bother you but ... [02:18] snow storm? [02:34] who knows what happened...it seems one of the power transformers blew up down the street [02:34] oh you heard it? [02:35] * ScottK cautions nixternal about Chicago and fires. [02:36] :-D [02:38] great debian doesn't seem o have any .71 packages :-( [02:47] DaSkReech: nah, didn't hear it, I don't think...I heard popping but I can't be certain it was the transformer [02:48] DaSkReech: debian has .71 packages, I have been watching the Debian Installer notices [02:48] but those won't do you any good as their structure would destroy us [02:49] heh/me blins [02:49] * DaSkReech blinks too [02:49] what do you mean? [02:49] it would overwrite our KDE 3 packages [02:50] well can't we patch that out [02:50] kdebase-workspace_4.0.72-1_multi.changes uploaded successfully to localhost [02:50] along with the files: [02:51] DaSkReech: use our packages that are already there [02:51] if you went the debian route, you would have to change cdbs/*, control, *.post*, *.pre*, and *.install [02:52] ok [02:52] packages.ubuntu.com it is then [02:52] I am trying to find a nice messenger bag...anyone have any recommendations? [02:52] I know about Tom Bihn and Chrome bags already [02:53] My friend was doing deep investigation of those the other day [02:53] I would use the Ubuntu Ogio bag, but they don't sell it anymore, and plus for me to buy it, I would have to refinance my house since they rip you off for US purchases [02:53] nixternal: We need to switch and base off of Debian for Intrepid at some point. [02:54] Well p.u.c has intrepid up already :) [02:54] ScottK: of course for Intrepid [02:55] but for Hardy, no way jose [02:55] Agreed. [02:55] DaSkReech: if you did Debian packages, you couldn't never show your face out in public again...people would hunt you for blood! :) [02:55] couldn't never? [02:55] wow do I sound like an idiot from Chicago [02:56] oh wait, I am...sorry [02:56] * DaSkReech thinks there may be a reason for that [02:56] I could be wrong though [02:58] Ok is there a ubuntu.com/pool ? [02:58] I'm looking for the source packages [02:58] since p.u.c doesn't know about kdelibs5 :-P [02:59] ah /source :) never mind [03:06] tell canonical the servers suck [03:06] i'm pulling at single digit k [03:09] man! [03:09] vorian: you have called? :) [03:09] kde4 comes in cheezy cd sleves [03:10] lol, howdy! [03:10] I got my CD's today [03:10] :) [03:10] from shipit? [03:10] the kde4 cd's came in white cd sleves from officemax [03:10] nosrednaekim: yep [03:11] nixternal: Did I ention a typo on the 8.04 release notes ? [03:11] lol [03:11] but, the disk is rockin' [03:13] nixternal: also do you always put the string ", and " ? [03:19] evening :) [03:21] hi [03:21] how are you DaSkReech? [03:21] bloody good observation there jjesse [03:21] bloody tired and trying to start building KDE 4.1 [03:22] DaSkReech: with packaging? [03:22] grin thanks nosrednaekim [03:22] nosrednaekim: that' the ida [03:22] but the ubuntu servers are slooooooooow [03:24] DaSkReech: try the US mirror [03:26] apachelogger: can you update it on LP from tomorrow? [03:26] us mirrors aren't faster :) [03:26] hello Hobbsee [03:27] * jjesse hugs Hobbsee [03:27] * Hobbsee hugs jjesse [03:27] wow us.archive.ubuntu.com is slow :( [03:27] nixternal: ping [03:27] i think he's busy on the gnome channels now [03:27] troll [03:27] I mean [03:27] Gnome [03:28] * jjesse ducks [03:28] * DaSkReech blames Hobbsee [03:28] haha [03:29] Hey Hobbsee [03:29] I could see your house from there :) [03:29] :P [03:29] how are you Hobbsee? [03:29] * Hobbsee is fighting finite state acceptors [03:30] don't fight them love them [03:30] ls [03:30] doh [03:30] :) [03:32] better than that guy who posted his crash log for mplayer with his goat pr0n [03:32] that's awesome [03:33] Of course I can't show it to you anymore :( [03:33] Let me try grab it [03:35] Haha no Gnome expunged it [03:35] trying to see it at all redirects you to Gnome front page [03:37] hah thats funny [03:37] ok this is annoying me i need to configure filesharing but can't do a kdesudo kcmshell4 fileshare ( [03:38] DaSkReech: do you happen to know much about them? [03:38] possibly [03:38] but I'm propping my self up with a pillow right now waiting on nixternal to answer me [03:46] grumble grumble [03:46] DaSkReech: bah. you'res supposed to help me with this stuff. [03:51] woohoo, just finished chewing out the LUG adviser and all university staff in a single email! god I love that feeling! [03:53] ok so how do configure my box to share between my kubuntu and windows box without being able to access the filesharing portion of things? === uga_ is now known as uga [04:13] nixternal: beware, that'll probably be you in some years :-) === uga is now known as uga|away [04:17] it shouldn't be snowing in april, almost may [04:17] it is snowing there right nwo? [04:17] we had snow the other night, today was nice [04:17] tomorrow and friday is supposed to be severe weather [04:17] I love it! [04:17] almost good thing i'm not flying through chicago on friday :) [04:17] hehe [04:17] denver -> grand rapids [04:21] yay finally configured my system to share things [04:22] silly kcscmshell4 network-filesharing still doesn't work right :( [04:22] boo on kdesude [04:22] kdesudo [05:07] seele: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r9LKiwXicQ <- Jono said he enjoyed your talk the most at SCaLE6X...w00t! [05:11] yay? [05:15] nixternal: hmm.. that was nice of him [05:15] it was the first time presenting that material so it was a little rough [05:22] did it get on video at all? [05:25] Hobbsee: Sorry [05:36] nixternal: ping [05:36] yo [05:41] ok Pulled the tarball for kdelibs5 [05:41] what am I looking for? [05:43] nixternal: A debian dir? [05:46] you need to either a) create the package from scratch, which isn't logical, or b) apt-get source the package you want to update to the alpha release [05:46] word of the wise, the alpha release is quite buggy [05:49] seele: palmers ftw. [05:50] nixternal: did you get decent spillage from your chat into here? [05:51] nixternal: I'm trying to pacakage * [05:52] and I'm wobbling here [05:52] ok I'm going to try and do my mom's resume and tackle this tomorrow night [06:05] jcastro: we got a little spillage, but once again, about 10 pm's [06:05] nixternal: that's good! [06:06] nixternal: I didn't see too much upstream participation [06:08] they were there [06:08] about 5 or so in total [06:09] they were fielding stuff in the -chat room [06:09] oh ok [06:09] someone called me Ballmer [06:09] nah dude, you're way thinner [06:09] haha [06:09] and less sweaty [06:10] and more chair respecting [06:10] heh [06:10] nixternal: do you know them well? [06:10] washing laundry, otherwise I was going to the Qt seminar in the morning dirty [06:11] jcastro: know who? those calling me ballmer or upstream? [06:11] nixternal: my main poc for kde has been aseigo but he doesn't respond well to mails from me for some reason [06:11] nixternal: upstream! [06:11] ya, I know some of those well that were present [06:11] nixternal: feel free to send them my way [06:12] I will see what I can do for ya [06:12] nixternal: once I apt-get source from debian what do I do? [06:13] not from Debian, from ubuntu [06:15] I'm trying to make the packages for ubuntu [06:15] for 4.0.71 [06:15] so grab the ones for 4.0.3 ? [06:18] yup [06:18] right [06:18] and I need something from that to make the 4.0.71 ? === santiago-php is now known as santiago-amarok === santiago-amarok is now known as santiago-ve [06:27] you need the debian/ directory and need to tweak the .install files more than likely [06:29] I must be really tired [06:29] I don't see it [06:29] I know I am..I am waiting for the laundry to dry so I can crash [06:30] nixternal: can you confirm that there is a source package for kdelibs4 [06:31] kdelibs5 sorry [06:34] there is, and it is 11.1MB [06:36] alrighty, going to bed [06:36] g'nite [06:36] night [06:36] nixternal: [06:36] what do I do with the debian dir [06:36] add it to teh tarball I grabbed from kde.org ? [06:46] hooray got it [06:46] * DaSkReech falls over and snores === hunger_t is now known as hunger === uga|away is now known as uga [09:57] any kde 4.1 alpha 1 repositories yet? ^-^ [09:58] no, I'm waiting for intrepid to open [10:09] then i can just backport everything i need to hardy. cool. (yes, i know that includes QT4 & the breakage it could theoretically cause) [10:10] backports we'll need to think about, intrepid will use /usr, hardy backports should probably use /usr/lib/kde4 [10:11] but not necessarily, they could just come with a very large warning [10:16] local backport, not official backport :P [10:37] hmm even though there is now kdebase 7.1 kmplayer-konq-plugins konq-plugins konqueror konqueror-nsplugins kubuntu-desktop still want removed due to the kded loop package weird [10:39] let met try [10:40] works for me [10:40] The following packages will be upgraded: kcontrol kdebase-bin kdebase-kio-plugins kdesktop kdm kfind konqueror [10:40] dist-upgrade won't run and apt-get -f install wants to remove the above [10:40] apt-cache policy konqueror does that know about 7.1 ? [10:41] ah still showing 7, i'd noticed 7.1 in -changes maybe not there yet? [10:41] hmm that was yesterday morning tho [10:42] sure you have -propsed enabled in sources.list? [10:42] I have deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy-proposed main restricted [10:42] so is on the gb. mirror [10:43] ah its stuck in -proposed [10:44] will be for another week [10:44] k that fixed it [11:27] fdoving: your patch seems to make kio_umountwrapper run indefinately [11:59] hi guys. this is my problem: i booted the last version of ubuntu/kubuntu from the live cd (normal mode), but when it's time to load gnome/kde what i see are only stripes. i rebooted and i selected safe mode. this time i was able to see the desktop [12:00] Amarilis: you need to post this to #kubuntu for help [12:01] i did. but i didnt received an answer to my question [12:02] Amarilis: may be those who are logged on, don't know the answer. You might have to wait a while for it, may be. [12:02] You could try a forum or mailing list too. [12:02] ok [12:02] Amarilis: BTW, which graphic card / motherboard [12:24] I bet $10 ATI :) === davmor2 is now known as davmor2_lunch [12:49] now now... no need to pick on ati, it could have just as easily been any of the other crackfilled xorg drivers or something else entirely. [12:52] * Serega have much hope on radeonhd foss driver [12:53] * Serega for now uses nvidia :) === davmor2_lunch is now known as davmor2 [14:02] are there no meetings this week because of open week? [14:02] or did i screw up utc again [14:05] there's no desktop meeting, it's a holiday in many european countries, they're all on strike to start the revolution [14:07] hmm? [14:07] which holiday is it? [14:08] May Day [14:08] on a thursday? [14:08] the revolution does not wait [14:08] hum.. i guess we're really the only ones who push our holidays to monday for extended weekends.. [14:08] except in britain when we move such holidays to mondays [14:09] long weekends > *! [14:12] * Hobbsee gets no holiday :( [14:22] sorry if its a FAQ but will there be 4.1alpha .debs for hardy? [14:29] one day, but not imminantly [14:43] hmm, what to do with kde 4.0.4? [14:44] backports I suppose [14:56] Riddell: thanks. If I can manage to clear up enough diskspace I'll try building them myself and see about contributing them. === evalles_ is now known as effie_jayx [15:08] motu needed for testing [15:08] who's a motu? [15:08] and not a core-dev [15:09] please upload something to hardy-backports, we want to see if it'll get rejected [15:13] apachelogger? === kitterma is now known as ScottK2 [16:27] ask mark in #ubuntu-classroom [16:40] good afternoon [17:03] hi [17:03] hi SiNiESTrO, mhb [17:03] bddebian: you're a motu [17:03] hello mhb... [17:04] Riddell: Well I'm supposed to be [17:04] I've done a pretty crappy job for the Hardy cycle :-( [17:05] bddebian: could you upload a package to hardy-backports, anything will do, we just want to check if motu can [17:05] oh Riddell! do you remember Bardinux? I'm part of actual developer's team [17:05] :P [17:06] Riddell: how are you? [17:06] SiNiESTrO: muchos bienos [17:06] I'm all good [17:06] Riddell: Hmm, do you need it right now? I'm at work :-( [17:06] bddebian: not at all [17:06] OK [17:06] maybe blueyed_ could [17:09] I'm finding the way of configure or modify adept_updater (¿?) to prevent that external repositories disappear on dist-upgrades... [17:09] any suggests? [17:10] my english is very poor... I hope that you understand me [17:13] they don't disappear for me [17:13] though i do major updates from the command line and edit sources.list by hand [17:13] having other repos active during update might break stuff [17:14] SiNiESTrO: hmm, that gets done by the dist upgrade tool [17:14] oh, i'm sorry... I mean that they are disabled [17:15] SiNiESTrO: I'm afraid the person who maintains the dist upgrade tool is on holiday today [17:15] SiNiESTrO: try e-mailing him at michael.vogt@ubuntu. com and CC me if you want, jriddell@ ubuntu.com [17:15] ok, thanks [17:16] * nixternal tries to stay awake during seminar [17:17] ooh, nixternal, you're a motu, could you upload a random package to hardy-backports [17:19] third sources are very important in kubuntu derivated distributions... they can't stay disabled [17:20] on dist-upgrades, artwork and other features say "bye, bye!" [17:20] :P [17:20] Riddell: I could, but I am currently in a seminar with less than acceptible wifi connection [17:21] oooh, learning Qt race conditions and locks....so much fun [17:22] I need a smaller laptop [17:22] SiNiESTrO: the code that does it is in DistUpgradeController.py in update-manager, but I don't see a way to work around it (although there may well be) [17:24] oh, python! i will try [17:24] thanks Riddell === xRaich[o]2x is now known as raichoo === raichoo is now known as xRaich[o]2x [17:42] so, who fancies packaging 4.0.4? [17:42] nixternal? stdin? [17:42] Riddell: I will work on it tonight->weekend [17:43] where is it getting uploaded to? [17:43] PPA? Kubuntu.org/ [17:43] -backports ideally [17:43] lovely, so you want the paperwork then :) [17:44] should be just some accept commands [17:44] the other problem being low build priority [17:44] but since nothing is building currently that ought to be ok [17:45] morning [17:45] hi jjesse [17:46] hello Riddell [17:46] so we could file the bug report, and as soon as it is approved upload right away to -backports? [17:46] or should we wait until Sunday/Monday for uploading? [17:47] Riddell: would it be possible to get a kde 4 wide ack for -backports instead of filing the necessary bug reports for each uploaded item? [17:48] nixternal: oh don't both with bug reports [17:48] just upload and I'll let it through at the appropriate time [17:48] ScottK won't mind :) [17:48] hehe [17:48] if I have YOUR word, then OK [17:49] Except it takes a core-dev to upload source to backports pockets. [17:49] we have a new package with 4.0.4 as well - skanlite [17:50] * nixternal is liking the PPA idea right now for Hardy [17:51] ScottK: well, this is what I've been trying to work out [17:51] ScottK: I'm told that motu should be able to [17:51] ditto [17:51] OK. Maybe it's changed. [17:51] hrmm, with KDE 4 moving to main for Intrepid, something tells me I should start thinking about core-dev [17:52] nah, I will just bug ScottK and Riddell until they hate me! [17:52] ScottK: we don't know until we find someone to test it [17:52] ... hate me/get upset enough to file piles of bugs against kubuntu-docs [17:52] heh [17:52] Right. [17:53] oh man, would you really do that? [17:53] Can't hurt for him to try it. [17:53] I will subscribe jjesse to all of them, so go ahead :p [17:53] I can't right now though, this hotel connection is horrid [17:53] knemo keeps bouncing [17:54] Trolltech does up a great lunch spread though! [17:54] nixternal: I got annoyed at ubuntu-dev-tools developers a could of months ago and file 11 bugs in about an hour. [17:54] All valid. [17:54] hahahahaha [17:54] could/couple in any case. [17:54] you my friend, just might be a bigger arse than I :) [17:55] Nah. Not possible. [17:55] didn't think that was possible, but I forgot you live on the east coast :p [17:55] ;-) [17:55] I was trying to make the point that they needed a little more care in what they were uploading. [17:55] It seems to have got their attention. [17:57] ScottK and Riddell: if either of you have any pointers for core-dev, fill me in because I am seriously thinking about it due to KDE 4 going into main eventually [17:59] I have a guy in front of me that is a Gtk dev on the Winblows platform, and he is driving me up a wall constantly laughing at stuff [18:00] he leans back and spills my coffee again, the CoC is out the window :p [18:00] OK, time for lunch....bbiab [18:00] you might have to accidentally spill the coffee [18:00] haha, it isn't hot enough [18:01] ooh, gotta wait for lunch, they are going to give us Qt 4.4 final release! [18:01] it still sucks to have coffee all over you ;) [18:01] true [18:02] k, battery dying now...bbiab === never|mobi is now known as neversfelde|mobi [18:03] nixternal: yes, I think core-dev is a very good idea [18:03] nixternal: I presume the process is still to turn up at a tech board meeting and ask [18:03] nixternal: It's pretty much like going for MOTU, but you have to show up at a tech board meeting and answer questions. [18:03] It seemed pretty benign to me. [18:04] nixternal: to be a core-dev you need to show you want to work on the major areas of the distro, and packaging KDE will be there [18:12] yay for nixternal and core-dev :) === mhb_ is now known as mhb === santiago-php is now known as Gabrielle === Gabrielle is now known as Antha === blueyed_ is now known as blueyed [18:46] Riddell: I'll upload hello to hardy-backports, ok? I assume you'll reject it then? [18:47] blueyed: yes, thanks [18:53] Where can I find the branch for the dist-upgrade tool? *found a bug...* Should be "Upgrading to Kubuntu version 8.04" and not "Upgrading to Kubuntu version 8.04 LTS" in the title, correct? [18:54] it's update-manager in launchpad [18:54] but it's too late to change that, i18n freeze [18:54] Ah, bummer. [18:55] blueyed: not seeing anything, did you upload? get a reject message? [18:56] Riddell: yes, rejected ("Signer is not permitted to upload to the component 'main' of file 'hello_2.2-2ubuntu1.dsc'"). I'll try again with a universe package. [19:00] Riddell: "jedit waiting for approval" [19:03] right, that makes sense I guess [19:03] so nixternal or stdin or whoever can upload kde into backports [19:03] well, not stdin, we need to get him into motu :) [19:07] i though stdin was already in motu [19:09] no, but you would imagine it wouldn't you [19:09] * stdin get's back and reads backlog [19:10] yes yes i would imagine it [19:11] I can probably start on 4.0.4 tonight [19:11] and I should probably do something about getting into motu soon [19:11] it's been on my "should do" list for a while now [19:14] those darn should do list [19:14] my should do list is getting longer every da7y not shorter [19:15] I think my "should do" list is also on my "to do" list :p [19:20] I can't find anything on the wiki for how to become a motu [19:37] its magical [19:38] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring [19:38] and i'm sure its under https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU someplace? [19:39] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess [19:42] Riddell: I can't find anything on the wiki since dholbach reorganized it. [19:43] jjesse: Did you see the blog link I left you the other day on multiple screen configurations? [19:43] ScottK: yes i did [19:43] thanks [19:44] Great. We'll get you off Windows yet. [19:44] #wftlchat [19:44] doh [19:44] ScottK: i totally doubt i will be completly off windows [19:45] kind of hard when the program i consult on runs under windows :P [19:45] Ah. Well then how does it work on WINE? [19:46] well its a server product, runs with .NET and MS SQL connections [19:46] ScottK: www.altiris.com [19:46] * ScottK looks [19:46] now owned by symantec [20:41] is there a date scheduled for starting Intrepid development? i'm more anxious about KDE 4.1 official snapshots actually but i guess you'll be doing that quite a bit for Intrepid :) [20:43] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule [20:44] ah [20:44] didn't catch that [20:44] lots of work/time ahead it seems [20:45] are you planning to start building 4.1 after the beta surfaces? [20:45] and the hard feature freeze.. [20:46] * nixternal grabs 4.0.4 tarballs [20:46] plans for exactly when 4.1 will be packaged aren't finalised yet [20:46] *packaged for II [20:48] I would say possible on a 4.1 beta... 4.1 alpha is a mess....it crashes quite well [20:48] yeah i noticed [20:48] plasma :/ [20:48] that's because of the huge plasma rewrite [20:48] if you aren't using plasma, then it tends to be fine :p [20:49] SVN is already re-stabalized, for the most part. [20:49] not too long till the beta though.. everything should be pretty nice after that [20:49] there is still a bit of plasma`esque issues [20:49] we are less than 3 months for the 4.1 release now...man that is awesome, it comes out on my birthday...I am going to party hardcore! [20:49] 4.0.x is stupid at this point anyway.. mostly worse than the 4.1 head [20:49] heh [20:50] Well, I had some bugfixes that I really enjoyed with the 4.0.x releases [20:50] I think thus far, 4.0.0 and 4.0.3 were the worst releases...it was funny, 4.0.2 was damn stable for me [20:50] but then they had to go and introduce more bugs iwth plasma backports :/ [20:50] hoping 4.0.4 brings that back [20:51] nixternal: i don't think there's too much work going into 4.0.4 .. the SVN shows that plenty [20:51] I've not had Plasma crash since 4.0.1, unless it was from a buggy 3rd party plasmoid [20:51] Like the Amar4k controller on KDE look [20:51] with more development on 4.1, less can be backported to 4.0 [20:51] lots of stuff changed [20:51] all that time to ask a question and he doesn't really even answer it.. oh well [20:51] qt for one [20:52] seele: what question/answer, and which he? :) [20:53] i asked about how the Desktop Team was planning on working on the "experiences" they keep talking about and how contributors can help [20:53]