[00:00] <kkathman> Odd-rationale:  not at all
[00:00] <Odd-rationale> mike-kubunt1: launchpad.net usually.
[00:00] <Odd-rationale> kkathman: or are you using emerald?
[00:00] <kkathman> Odd-rationale:  emerald
[00:00] <Odd-rationale> kkathman: ok, that is why...
[00:01] <kkathman> ahh ok
[00:02] <Odd-rationale> they should develop some patches and call it kompiz
[00:02] <kkathman> Odd-rationale:  I setup my compiz to have 8x1 (8 faces on the "cube"  then I have it to where I can just click my mouse wheel while in a desktop and it rotates to the next workspace
[00:02] <Odd-rationale> kkathman: i see
[00:02] <kkathman> But I use that ring switcher too
[00:02] <Odd-rationale> kkathman: expo is cool
[00:03] <kkathman> Odd-rationale:  yeah thats more "Mac-ish" but the ring switcher I think is a little nicer
[00:03] <kkathman> but to each his own :)
[00:03] <pottytheshitter> is kde4 offically supported?
[00:03] <dwidmann> pottytheshitter: now
[00:03] <dwidmann> **no
[00:03] <Odd-rationale> pottytheshitter: by canonical? I'm not sure...
[00:04] <Odd-rationale> probably by kde e.V.
[00:09] <Xbehave> if a program is running as root, how do i make it launch programs as me (it lets me decide the command to launch i just dont know how to unsudo it)
[00:15] <cecil44> +
[00:15] <gabak> hi
[00:15] <gabak> is anyone here?
[00:15] <gabak> is anyone here?
[00:15] <Desmond> yea
[00:15] <gabak> great
[00:15] <gabak> desmond
[00:15] <Desmond> das?
[00:15] <gabak> what do u mean?
[00:16] <Desmond> well i ment da
[00:16] <Desmond> and its yes in german
[00:16] <gabak> i m in argentina right now
[00:16] <yodaz> hi
[00:16] <Desmond> hola
[00:16] <gabak> como andas
[00:16] <Desmond> andas?
[00:16] <gabak> sabes hablar español
[00:16] <yodaz> I've a little problem with konqueror, googl search toolbar disappear
[00:17] <Desmond> what is that
[00:17] <Desmond> ok
[00:17] <Desmond> i use firefox
[00:17] <yodaz> where I can make it show again ?
[00:17] <Desmond> poll #2: Firefox or Konqueror
[00:18] <gabak> do u know ubuntu
[00:18] <Xbehave> !es
[00:18] <Desmond> gabak: yess
[00:19] <Desmond> !question
[00:19] <Desmond> lol
[00:20]  * Desmond welcomes new visitors
[00:22] <Odd-rationale> yodaz: Go to settings --> configure extensions
[00:22] <gabak> ok great
[00:22] <gabak> hold on , plz cuz i have a phone call now
[00:23] <yodaz> Odd-rationale: thx, but I only have speech synthesis toolbar :-\
[00:23] <Odd-rationale> yodaz: kde4?
[00:23] <yodaz> Odd-rationale: no, kde3
[00:23] <yodaz> which package should I install ?
[00:23] <Odd-rationale> yodaz: are you in the extensions tab/
[00:23] <Odd-rationale> ?
[00:24] <yodaz> yes
[00:24] <Odd-rationale> hmm. i dunno then. sorry
[00:25] <yodaz> Odd-rationale: ok, thx
[00:29] <yodaz> Odd-rationale: ok, I'm a moron
[00:29] <yodaz> Odd-rationale: with aptitude install konq-plugins, it just works better ...
[00:29] <yodaz> :)
[00:29] <o0Chris0o> the last few times I restarted my system I get this error, "No command arguments supplied!, Usage: kdesudo [-u <runas>] <command>, KdeSudo will now exit" anyone have any ideas?
[00:31] <sebbar> hi, with skype on linux is it possible to send sms messages?
[00:37] <o0Chris0o> how do I turn off saving sessions in kde?
[00:41] <o0Chris0o> how do I turn off saving sessions in kde?
[00:45] <Xbehave> Chris still here?
[00:45] <Xbehave> sebbar: im not familar with skype sms, but it is possible with other programs
[00:46] <Desmond> i cant get java to work in firefox
[00:46] <Desmond> i installed sun java 6 \
[00:47] <Xbehave> Desmond: you on 64bit?
[00:48] <sebsebseb> I just updated a computer from Gutsy to Hardy, however  what I am finding odd is how the entry for WIndows XP is no longer there, just my old kernel from Gutsy stuff and the new kernel stuff from Hardy.  Any idea's why that is?   I assume to fix this it's just edit the menu.lst, but I carn't remember exactly what to put in and that, and XP should be the default boot, since this is a family computer, and my Dad is locked
[00:48] <sebsebseb> into Windows, so it will probably take quite a bit of effort to convert him to Ubuntu.  and it's proabably hardly even worth it in his case, even though he is a resonablly technical Windows user.
[00:48] <Xbehave> does it work in other browsers, have you installed the plugin thorugh repos or manually?
[00:49] <NickPresta> sebsebseb, try using: update-grub
[00:49] <Xbehave> sebsebseb: there may be a better way of doing this but do you have any backup menr.lst (/boot/grub/menumlist..)
[00:49] <Desmond> through repos
[00:49] <sebsebseb> it woudn't have updated GRub as well?  just the distro?
[00:49] <Desmond> i aptitude'd it
[00:49] <sebsebseb> nah no backup
[00:49] <Desmond> i have 32 bit
[00:50] <Xbehave> sebsebseb: you can add windows manually to grub
[00:50] <Xbehave> !grub
[00:51] <sebsebseb> yeah I know WIndows can be manually added to GRub since I done it before, but I coudn't remember exactly how etc
[00:52] <sebsebseb> Desmond:  I would have thought  Grub would have been updated with the update from Gusty to Hardy?  I guess not?
[00:52] <Xbehave> ill look up a guide, as i cant rember exactly
[00:53] <Xbehave> Desmond: if its not one of the obvious things e,g 64bit problems or not having installed the java-plugins im no use try the forums, does it work in konq?
[00:53] <Desmond> not sure
[00:53] <sebsebseb> what's your problem Desmond?  plugins?
[00:53] <sebsebseb> browser plugins?
[00:53] <Desmond> yea
[00:54] <sebsebseb> I can probably help you with this well if you tell me what it is :D  since you obviouslly said before I came here
[00:54] <Xbehave> sebsebseb: open up /boot/grub/menu.lst and it has an example for a windows partition, uncomment the line and correct the partition to add windows
[00:54] <Desmond> java in firefox
[00:54] <sebsebseb> Xbehave: ah yes now I remember that's what I did last time
[00:54] <Desmond> @xbehave no it doesnt
[00:55] <sebsebseb> Desmond:  yeah Java can be a bit of a pain to install
[00:55] <Xbehave> !java
[00:55] <sebsebseb> there is this page or should be on the Ubuntu site, but from memory you want the Sun one from  Synaptec package manager
[00:56] <sebsebseb> also you have to press tab and enter I think it was on the agreement,   just enter on it's own for ok woudn't do the trick
[00:57] <sebsebseb> is there any need to keep my old kernel?  I guess not,   in  the past I have just removed the old kernels
[00:57] <sebsebseb> on my computer for example.
[00:57] <sebsebseb> yeah remove the old  and keep the latest
[00:57] <sebsebseb> one from updates
[00:57] <NickPresta> sebsebseb, you can keep older kernels. I often do incase I have problems with the newer kernel which prevent my system from running, etc
[00:58] <sebsebseb> NickPresta:  yeah, but probably no good reason to keep  my old one from Gutsy or whatever,  plus I guess it can be re installed if there ever was a good reason
[00:58] <Xbehave> sebsebseb: the default line will work if windows is in the 1st partion of the 1st drive, otherwise grub names partitions differently from linux (hd0 is hda, hd1 is hdb, etc) and the number afterwards is droped by 1 e.g hdb3 is hd1,2
[00:58] <Bauldrick> OT - how long should it take to transcode video .iso to .avi
[00:59] <NickPresta> sebsebseb, it might be hard to reinstall if you can't boot your system ;) At any rate, you can safely remove the older kernel if you wish
[00:59] <gorczeski> boa noite
[00:59] <Xbehave> sebsebseb: afaik they cant be reinstalled but if everything is working there is no need to keep old kernels
[00:59] <sebsebseb> yeah  Xbehave  I did the example before,  now  I remember.  and  to  make it so XP would boot up first,  I had it as the first one in the file, with Ubuntu stuff after that
[00:59] <gorczeski> good evening
[00:59] <gorczeski> buenas notches
[00:59] <Bauldrick> abregardar
[00:59] <sebsebseb> NickPresta:  well Live CD's to the rescue if that happens I suppouse :D
[01:00]  * Xbehave inserts superhero music
[01:01] <yao_ziyuan> can anyone tell me what's the default color scheme in kubuntu 8.04?
[01:01] <sebsebseb> this is the Ubuntu channel you could try  the kubuntu channel ,but
[01:01] <sebsebseb> what a question?
[01:01] <sebsebseb> I wonder why your asking that
[01:02] <Bauldrick> sebsebseb: kubuntu....
[01:02] <sebsebseb> Bauldrick: uh yes I know read above
[01:02] <Odd-rationale> yao_ziyuan: kubuntu colors
[01:03] <psyco> XD
[01:04] <Desmond> lol yea this is kubuntu
[01:04] <sebsebseb> ah
[01:04] <Bauldrick> ORANGE
[01:04] <sebsebseb> wrong channel
[01:04] <psyco> XD
[01:04] <sebsebseb> ok so I was in the wrong tab it seems
[01:04] <psyco> its seems
[01:04] <sebsebseb> Konversation yeah by the way Kubutnu users, but running  in Gnome/Ubuntu
[01:04] <Bauldrick> :)
[01:05] <sebsebseb> since  I don't like KDE enough as my GUI (what a thing to say here :D )
[01:05] <gorczeski> Fernando Ike ??
[01:06] <crash__> *cough cough hack wheeze*
[01:06]  * crash__ dies
[01:07] <yao_ziyuan> Odd-rationale: roger
[01:08] <Odd-rationale> ?
[01:08] <ubuntu> hola
[01:08] <psyco> crash_ that sucks
[01:08] <Desmond> lol
[01:08] <o0Chris0o> alright I just want to use kwin, how do I stop compiz from being the default deco?
[01:08] <psyco> turn of desktop effects
[01:08] <psyco> and the command is
[01:08] <psyco> kwin --replace
[01:08] <crash__> psyco: Nah, not really. turns out things can't suck when you're dead.
[01:08] <psyco> crash__: true
[01:09] <o0Chris0o> alright I removed ccsm
[01:09] <o0Chris0o> so prolly need to get it again
[01:09] <psyco> wait
[01:09] <psyco> hardy or gusty?
[01:09] <yao_ziyuan> 8.04's Crystal/Edgy kwin style + 7.10's Polyester kde style = perfect
[01:09] <o0Chris0o> hardy
[01:09] <psyco> ok
[01:09] <psyco> Go:
[01:10] <yao_ziyuan> here is a screenshot of that: http://infowire.googlegroups.com/web/snapshot19.png?gda=94lzwz8AAABaHLW2hQnnro-GYOIyGHcGaDpGNf6h3jt_zCJwRSTgA2G1qiJ7UbTIup-M2XPURDRwn4PMc2FouLEp4KIwhgPa
[01:10] <psyco> K menu>System>Desktop effects
[01:10] <psyco> and clikc NONE
[01:10] <o0Chris0o> well thats the thing, I removed that too lol
[01:10] <o0Chris0o> compiz
[01:10] <yao_ziyuan> but there is a small bug in the Crystal kwin style:
[01:10] <yao_ziyuan> ﻿In KDE 3.5.8/9, start a Firefox 2, set the main window in normal state (rather than maximized or minimized), let the main window's upper and lower sides dock the upper edge and lower edge of the desktop, but don't let the left and right sides dock. Then, maximize it, restore it, minimize it, restore it, and now you can see its lower side has an undrawn hollow zone.
[01:10] <psyco> You removed desktop effects :S
[01:11] <o0Chris0o> yeah because it messes up my inactive titlebars
[01:11] <yao_ziyuan> compiz-kde is buggy
[01:11] <o0Chris0o> they disappear
[01:11] <Bauldrick> does anyone else see npviewer.bin gobbling cpu?
[01:12] <o0Chris0o> but compiz is still active somehow
[01:12] <psyco> wow
[01:13] <psyco> what happends when you run
[01:13] <psyco> kwin --replace
[01:13] <o0Chris0o> it fixes it, but only works till I exit the terminal
[01:13] <psyco> what if you do
[01:13] <psyco> alt+f2
[01:13] <psyco> then run
[01:13] <psyco> kwin --replace
[01:14] <o0Chris0o> fixes it till I close out the console
[01:14] <psyco> But alt f2 is a command not console...
[01:15] <psyco> if you know what i mean....
[01:15] <hexidigital> You know you're a geek when you try to save an OOo document by typing: [Esc]:wq[Enter]
[01:15] <hexidigital> er... i know i am a geek
[01:15] <psyco> wtf XD
[01:15] <Desmond> ;wg
[01:15] <Desmond> ?
[01:15] <Bauldrick> just sat on youtube in firefox and npviewer.bin eats 42% cpu - is it just me? not right surely?
[01:16] <hexidigital> Now i have to proofread my presentation outline for "times i tried to save and quit" errors
[01:17] <walter_eco> hi everybody I seem to be having some inconsistencies with shares
[01:17] <walter_eco> specifically 'folder does not exist' type problems
[01:18] <o0Chris0o> alright that worked I had run as terminal selected
[01:18] <o0Chris0o> had to untick it
[01:20] <jlarsson> hi, how do i update kubuntu 6.06 to 8.04 ?
[01:20] <sebsebseb> does it not say an update is avilable?
[01:20] <jlarsson> yes, but only system packages
[01:20] <sebsebseb> maybe you got to upgrade to gusty first then to hardy
[01:20] <sebsebseb> or
[01:20] <sebsebseb> you just change the sources lists
[01:21] <jlarsson> Isnt there a button or something lika in ubuntu ?
[01:21] <sebsebseb> you have both?
[01:21] <Desmond> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:21] <sebsebseb> or sudo gedit
[01:21] <Desmond> change all the dappers to hardy
[01:21] <jlarsson> No, i only have kubuntu now
[01:21] <NickPresta> jlarsson, you can edit your sources.list inside Adept Manager.
[01:21] <sebsebseb> well then sudo kate I guess it is
[01:21] <NickPresta> sebsebseb, kdesudo kate, not sudo
[01:22] <sebsebseb> oh right yeah I suppouse
[01:22] <sebsebseb> I use Ubuntu mainly so yeah
[01:23] <jlarsson> im a neewbie at this things in kubunto so what exaktly should i do, you are giving me alot of alternatives
[01:23] <Distro^Junkie> you need to go to gutsy first
[01:24] <jlarsson> and how did i do that
[01:24] <sebsebseb> jiarsson:  Ubuntu is easier to start with
[01:25] <sebsebseb> in my opinion
[01:25] <jlarsson> yes i know
[01:25] <sebsebseb> also you can install  your Kubuntu  programs in Ubuntu
[01:25] <sebsebseb> and  if you update  a version of Ubuntu/Kubuntu well then your updating both of them
[01:26] <sebsebseb> in  Ubuntu it should say a new distribution is avialabe and then you would just install that
[01:26] <sebsebseb> and that's that
[01:26] <jumpkick> no sound after Kubuntu 64 Hardy upgrade
[01:26] <jumpkick> what's up with that?
[01:27] <jlarsson> okey maybe i should install ubuntu back
[01:27] <sebsebseb> well that's easy enough to do
[01:27] <sebsebseb> you know how right? without getting rid of everything and starting over?
[01:27] <Bauldrick> wasn't it Alt+f2 kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade-devel"
[01:27] <BruceH> Greetings. I just upgraded from Gutsy to Heron using the Full Upgrade option. Now my nvidia card refuses to load glx. nividia-glx won't load.
[01:27] <jlarsson> but boys and girls dont forget abount me, im famous in japan !
[01:28] <sebsebseb> BruceH:  ah yes the propritary Nivida graphics card driver
[01:28] <sebsebseb> you may have to reinstall it
[01:28] <BruceH> I've tried everything on the forums except a reinstall
[01:28] <BruceH> I'm downloading the dvd now.
[01:28] <sebsebseb> DVD for what?
[01:28] <Bauldrick> BruceH: ?
[01:28] <jumpkick> ﻿BruceH, I had some problems after upgrading...   I had a mismatch between nvidia kernel module and the X.org module.... rmmod nvidia; modprobe nvidia_new helps in my case
[01:28] <sebsebseb> you should be able to get the driver from the Ubuntu network
[01:29] <sebsebseb> ah Kubuntu
[01:29] <sebsebseb> even
[01:30] <BruceH> You would think that works. I've tried installing nvidia-glx, restricted drivers, the new EnvyNG thing, even downloaded the drivers from nvidia.com.
[01:31] <feijo> good night
[01:31] <BruceH> using nvidia geforce 5200 fx. Hoping someone here has conquered this :)
[01:32] <mrkeishii> I have a question
[01:32] <feijo> shut
[01:32] <mrkeishii> is Ubuntu better than Kubuntu?
[01:32] <navetz> can anyone help me, i can't install phpmyadmin
[01:32] <BruceH> thanks jumpkick, I'll try that.
[01:32] <Feijo_BR> thats relative, a metter of taste
[01:32] <Feijo_BR> the core is the same
[01:32] <navetz> when i try to install it it fails because it cant install php5-mcrypt
[01:32] <Bauldrick> YES - but dont tell sebsebseb
[01:32] <Feijo_BR> navetz: try xampp
[01:33] <Feijo_BR> remove all apache, php stuff and use xampp.org, they lamp rocks
[01:33] <mrkeishii> is Ubuntu better than Kubuntu?
[01:33] <Feijo_BR> mrkeishii: yes and no
[01:33] <mrkeishii> okay
[01:33] <Distro^Junkie> that question will open a can of worms
[01:33] <mrkeishii> well i got kubuntu
[01:33] <mrkeishii> and all
[01:33] <Feijo_BR> mrkeishii: some like one, some othre
[01:33] <mrkeishii> but I was wondering
[01:33] <Feijo_BR> I like kubuntu
[01:34] <mrkeishii> I installed the video driver
[01:34] <mrkeishii> then I installed xserver-xgl
[01:34] <mrkeishii> okay
[01:34] <mrkeishii> well I downloaded cssm
[01:34] <Feijo_BR> home users prefer kubuntu
[01:34] <Feijo_BR> I installed compiz last night
[01:34] <mrkeishii> then Y can't I use CSSM?
[01:34] <navetz> Feijo_BR: well I used all the stuff that came with ubuntu server edition
[01:34] <navetz> Feijo_BR: then I threw kde on there
[01:35] <mrkeishii> then Y can't I use CSSM?
[01:35] <mrkeishii> or How do i make it work?
[01:35] <mrkeishii> how do i make CSSM work on Kubuntu?
[01:35] <Feijo_BR> mrkeishii: did you used adept?
[01:35] <mrkeishii> yeah
[01:35] <mrkeishii> y?
[01:36] <mrkeishii> did i had to install through terminal?
[01:36] <Feijo_BR> navetz: I'm using kubuntu installation version 8, removed all apache and php, and installed lampp. Working great
[01:36] <Feijo_BR> mrkeishii: no
[01:36] <Feijo_BR> mrkeishii: wait
[01:36] <mrkeishii> so how do i make it work?
[01:37] <Feijo_BR> did you installed compiz-settings-manager?
[01:37] <mrkeishii> cssm?
[01:37] <mrkeishii> right
[01:37] <mrkeishii> or the next one below
[01:37] <mrkeishii> there was two programs
[01:37] <mrkeishii> when i typed in Compiz in search bar
[01:37] <Feijo_BR> on your kde blue button, go to config - advanced desktop settings
[01:37] <mrkeishii> okay
[01:38] <mrkeishii> then
[01:38] <Feijo_BR> I have: compiz core, compiz-fusion-plugins-extra, compiz-fusion-plugins-main, compiz-kde, compiz-plugins, compiz-config-backend-kde, ...
[01:38] <Feijo_BR> desktop-effects-kde, emerald
[01:38] <mrkeishii> okay
[01:38] <mrkeishii> w8
[01:38] <mrkeishii> do i download both programs in adept?
[01:39] <Feijo_BR> I dont have simple-ccsm
[01:39] <Feijo_BR> all those I mentioned its on my adept
[01:39] <mrkeishii> oh
[01:39] <mrkeishii> yeah
[01:39] <Feijo_BR> when I search for compiz, those are green
[01:39] <mrkeishii> but when i set it up
[01:39] <Bauldrick> someone do me a favour - go on youtube and then issue top and tell me what npviewer.bin does
[01:39] <mrkeishii> i put in cube
[01:39] <mrkeishii> but it does not work
[01:39] <Feijo_BR> what is your graphic board?
[01:39] <mrkeishii> do i have to input a code
[01:39] <mrkeishii> Nvidia
[01:39] <Feijo_BR> no code
[01:40] <Feijo_BR> just automatic
[01:40] <Feijo_BR> I have geforce too
[01:40] <Feijo_BR> try ctrl+alt+left
[01:40] <mrkeishii> I have Nvidia Gforce Go 7600
[01:40] <mrkeishii> oh
[01:40] <Feijo_BR> what?
[01:40] <mrkeishii> yeah
[01:40] <Feijo_BR> working?
[01:40] <mrkeishii> yeah
[01:40] <Feijo_BR> lol
[01:40] <mrkeishii> i download driver
[01:40] <mrkeishii> and all
[01:41] <Feijo_BR> ctrl+left+left mouse click draging
[01:41] <mrkeishii> after i install xserver
[01:41] <mrkeishii> then emerald
[01:41] <mrkeishii> then ccsm
[01:41] <mrkeishii> then when i checked the boxes in the advance desktop settings
[01:41] <Feijo_BR> me too, but worked since first steps, then I started config more stuff, more animations
[01:41] <mrkeishii> it does not work
[01:41] <Feijo_BR> my screens burn when I close, heheh
[01:41] <mrkeishii> do i have to config. the initiate buttons?
[01:42] <mrkeishii> or is it already auto?
[01:42] <Feijo_BR> I didnt change, I guess is auto
[01:42] <mrkeishii> I use a laptop
[01:42] <Feijo_BR> CCSM is the compiz manager? Mine is in portuguese
[01:42] <mrkeishii> oh
[01:42] <mrkeishii> mines in english
[01:43] <Feijo_BR> did you enabled 3d window, cube guear, cube reflex?
[01:43] <mrkeishii> yeah
[01:43] <Feijo_BR> I'm translating, so your screen may have something a bit different
[01:43] <mrkeishii> okay
[01:43] <Feijo_BR> whell, here I just use ctrl+alt with mouse or arrows key and work
[01:43] <mrkeishii> oh
[01:43] <Feijo_BR> middle mouse button works to on the desktop
[01:43] <mrkeishii> yeah
[01:43] <mrkeishii> i use laptop
[01:44] <mrkeishii> although i push the right and left buttons on padmouse and it works on Ubuntu
[01:44] <Feijo_BR> no cube at all you can activate?
[01:44] <mrkeishii> oh
[01:44] <Feijo_BR> you have gnome and kde?
[01:44] <mrkeishii> nope
[01:44] <mrkeishii> KDE
[01:45] <Feijo_BR> ubuntu is gnome
[01:45] <mrkeishii> yeah
[01:45] <mrkeishii> i know
[01:45] <Feijo_BR> you mentioned ubuntu, so... hehe
[01:45] <mrkeishii> I'm not noob in ubuntu
[01:45] <mrkeishii> oh
[01:45] <mrkeishii> my bad
[01:45] <mrkeishii> well i gtg thanks for conversation and info.
[01:45] <mrkeishii> cya
[01:46] <Feijo_BR> hope you can fix it
[01:46] <Feijo_BR> I'm new to that too
[01:46] <mrkeishii> thanks agian
[01:46] <Feijo_BR> first week with kubuntu at home
[01:47] <asobi> what's apache2?
[01:47] <asobi> looking at processes
[01:48] <Bauldrick> kubuntu is great!!!!! any help just ask not me tyhough I'm piissed
[01:49] <snikker>  when i insert a media in dvd writer, i've got this error in dmesg: http://pastebin.com/m1cc3d71c
[01:49] <snikker> can you help me please...
[01:50] <crash__> Bauldrick: whatsa matta?
[01:50] <Feijo_BR> asobi, its a web server
[01:50] <asobi> right
[01:50] <asobi> i have two instances
[01:51] <asobi> and each is taking up 200mb of memory
[01:51] <asobi> think i found solution
[01:51] <Bauldrick> crash__: its what everythoings made of of
[01:51] <Feijo_BR> wow
[01:51] <Feijo_BR> too much
[01:51] <asobi> exactly
[01:51] <Bauldrick> matta
[01:51] <asobi> looks like memory leak
[01:51] <Feijo_BR> do you use it? I do for php
[01:51] <asobi> no
[01:51] <asobi> i am not even sure why i have two instances
[01:51] <Feijo_BR> how much days your system is up?
[01:51] <Feijo_BR> 2 is normal
[01:51] <Feijo_BR> lets check here
[01:52] <Feijo_BR> yeah, 2
[01:52] <Feijo_BR> try disable, and if in few days all works, remove it
[01:52] <asobi> i just did:
[01:53] <asobi> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=117073
[01:54] <Feijo_BR> you installed prefork?
[01:54] <asobi> yep
[01:54] <crash__> Bauldrick: um.. what?
[01:54] <Feijo_BR> nice, I will try it
[01:55] <asobi> seems to work
[01:55] <Feijo_BR> but if you dont need apache, why let it runing?
[01:55] <asobi> how much ram is your apache using
[01:55] <asobi> good point
[01:55] <Roey> asobi:  wouldn't it be better put,  "how many rams is this Apache using?"
[01:56] <asobi> actually no roey
[01:56] <crash__> roey: no, because "memory" is valid as both a singular and a plural noun
[01:56] <Bauldrick> crash__: the world is built with `matta`!!!!
[01:56] <crash__> Bauldrick: boooooo
[01:57] <Roey> asobi, crash__:  I meant it as a wild west pun
[01:57] <Roey> :P
[01:57] <asobi> oh
[01:57] <crash__> oh
[01:57] <Feijo_BR> VM size 10,288
[01:57] <crash__> booooooo again
[01:57] <Feijo_BR> boo
[01:57] <Roey> you guys are waaay too nerdy sometimes ;)
[01:57] <Roey> flew right over your heads ;)
[01:58] <crash__> dude
[01:58] <Roey> ya
[01:58] <crash__> my mind is enhanced with chemical additives right now.
[01:58] <asobi> what's your login for apache
[01:58] <crash__> I dont have time for bad jokes.
[01:58] <asobi> feijo
[01:58] <crash__> GOOD jokes maybe
[01:58] <Bauldrick> Roey: you're right - sex me up bum, bandit
[01:58] <Feijo_BR> apache needs login??
[01:58] <Feijo_BR> mysql does
[01:58] <asobi> under sysguard
[01:59] <asobi> login column
[01:59] <BluesKaj> chemically induced humour
[01:59] <KhaoticMind> talking about chemical...
[01:59] <KhaoticMind> the LSD father died today...
[01:59] <Bauldrick> im off - before - yep!!!!!!! BluesKaj
[01:59] <Feijo_BR> I use xampp distro, not that one from kubuntu
[01:59] <serrucho> Hi everyone
[01:59] <asobi> i have a really weird login
[02:00] <serrucho> I have a problem
[02:00] <serrucho> can somebody help me with this
[02:00] <crash__> medicated ointment will help
[02:01] <serrucho> E: Type '--17:52:12--' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list
[02:01] <serrucho> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[02:01] <serrucho> Go to the repository dialog to correct the problem.
[02:01] <serrucho> E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[02:01] <serrucho> that`s my problem
[02:01] <crash__> !pastebin
[02:01] <serrucho> how i can fix this issue
[02:02] <crash__> sounds like your sources.list is toasted.
[02:02] <serrucho> i was triend to install some codes
[02:02] <crash__> there is a command to fix that I think
[02:02] <NickPresta> serrucho, you have a bad line in your sources.list. Can you post it to a pastebin please
[02:02] <serrucho> ok
[02:04] <Walzmyn> I have achieved a state of near nirvana
[02:04] <Walzmyn> I have windows running in a window - where it belongs
[02:04] <BluesKaj> the bad line can be commented with a #
[02:04] <serrucho> E: Type '--17:52:12--' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.lis
[02:04] <Feijo_BR> hmmm, my cron isnt working
[02:04] <BluesKaj> windoes=nirvana ? ...that's an oxymoron :)
[02:04] <serrucho> that`s the problem
[02:05] <NickPresta> serrucho, either comment out the line or paste the sources.list to a pastebin for us to see and fix
[02:05] <crash__> yeah, whe said but typed faster.
[02:05] <Walzmyn> no, having windows trapped in a window where it can't fook up my system is nirvana
[02:05] <serrucho> ok
[02:06] <BluesKaj> nirvana = no windows at all
[02:06] <crash__> console ftw
[02:06] <Devourer> For some reason I can't boot up in the most recent kernel version... It'll go to the kubuntu logo and just keep sitting there acting like it's loading something... Then I tried the recovery mode and it gets stuck at something also.
[02:06] <Walzmyn> but now I needa ask - what's the proper / best / socially accepted method for getting an internet connection to a guest OS?
[02:07] <Walzmyn> BluesKaj, yes, you're right, but the boss has winders only crap I have to deal with
[02:07] <Feijo_BR> who use kcron?
[02:07] <serrucho> : Type '--17:52:12--' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list
[02:07] <serrucho> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[02:07] <serrucho> Go to the repository dialog to correct the problem.
[02:07] <serrucho> E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[02:07] <BluesKaj> Walzmyn, i sympathize
[02:13] <Feijo_BR> edited .bashrc, thanks pal
[02:13] <sloth> does hardy support ntfs external drives?
[02:13] <psyco> is this just me?
[02:13] <psyco> or are people joining
[02:13] <BluesKaj> not done yet , only 200 joins
[02:13] <psyco> XD ok
[02:13] <serrucho> ok nick now what
[02:13] <Alucard_Hellsing> my apt just randomly started working again
[02:13] <Feijo_BR> whats going on
[02:13] <NickPresta> serrucho, you have to paste the file to http://pastebin.ca so we can see it
[02:13] <serrucho> ok
[02:13] <Alucard_Hellsing> y are there no ops here
[02:13] <Devourer> So is not having sound after you upgrade to 8.04 a common problem?
[02:14] <serrucho> now you see it
[02:14] <BluesKaj> Devourer, clean cd install ?
[02:14] <sloth> does hardy support ntfs external drives?
[02:14] <Devourer> BluesKaj, nope.
[02:14] <Devourer> BluesKaj, I upgraded from 7.10.
[02:14] <navetz> apt-get fixed itself for me to
[02:15] <NickPresta> Alucard_Hellsing, they're in hiding. ;)
[02:15] <Dr_willis> sloth,  yes. with ntfs and the ntfs-3g filesystem/tools
[02:15] <BluesKaj> paste the URL of the pastebin text here after submitting it , serrucho
[02:15] <Alucard_Hellsing> ah
[02:15] <Devourer> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=720043&page=2
[02:15] <BluesKaj> Devourer, what sound card ?
[02:15] <Alucard_Hellsing> .. can any one tell me y my ktorents does not work."Could Not Connect to host"
[02:15] <sloth> thank you Dr_willis
[02:16] <serrucho> nick
[02:16] <Devourer> BluesKaj, I forgot the command to see.
[02:16] <serrucho> do you see it
[02:16] <Dr_willis> sounds like it cant resolove the hostname, or the host is refusing the client.
[02:17] <Alucard_Hellsing> but it has done this for 3 weeks now
[02:17] <BluesKaj> Devourer, lspci | grep audio
[02:17] <nickv111> Hello, all. I have an Eee PC 8G and I upgraded to Hardy yesterday. I'm having trouble getting audio to work properly. KMix only shows two options: iGain and PhoneOut
[02:17] <NickPresta> serrucho, are lines 1-4 actually present in the sources.list file?
[02:18] <nickv111> And PhoneOut is the only one that controls my sound, and it doesn't work right because it jumps between all the way on and all the way off
[02:18] <nickv111> Though it worked fine in Gutsy.
[02:18] <Devourer> BluesKaj, does grep make an audio text file?
[02:18] <crash__> ...
[02:18] <crash__> an audio text file?
[02:18] <crash__> wth is that
[02:19] <Devourer> crash__, a text file named "audio".
[02:19] <serrucho> yes
[02:19] <BluesKaj> serrucho, look at the pastebin website and there will be a location url in blue at the top of the text that you pasted ,copy that and paste it here
[02:20] <crash__> I call shenanigans
[02:20] <connor> help with recordmydesktop
[02:20] <Devourer> Should I get the newest version of the Linux kernel?
[02:20] <serrucho>  http://pastebin.ca/1003519
[02:20] <serrucho> here
[02:20] <Dr_willis> the 'pastebinit' command is very very handy to have installed. :)
[02:20] <connor> what are some good image recording programs besides recordmydesktop?
[02:21] <BluesKaj> Devourer, no it merely locates the name of the soundcard
[02:21] <Alucard_Hellsing> of course the bittorrent chan give no help
[02:21] <Devourer> BluesKaj, nothing happens when I type that into the terminal.
[02:22] <Dr_willis> Alucard_Hellsing,  try some other clients. see if they have similer issue, try other torrents, heck, try the kubuntu torrent.
[02:22] <connor> what are some good image recording programs besides recordmydesktop?
[02:22] <BluesKaj> Devourer, then just type lspci and look for a line wit "audio controller" or some such in the l;ist
[02:22] <serrucho> did you see it nick?
[02:23] <Devourer> Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller
[02:23] <NickPresta> serrucho, are lines 1-4 actually present in the sources.list file?
[02:23] <nickv111> serrucho: I'm sorry, I didn't realize your were talking to m
[02:23] <nickv111> me*
[02:24] <nickv111> Or you weren't.
[02:24] <nickv111> Wrong person; sorry.
[02:24] <NickPresta> nickv111, :)
[02:24] <connor> hey nickpresta
[02:24] <serrucho> yes
[02:24] <connor> can you help me out?
[02:24] <nickv111> There are too many Nicks here.
[02:24] <connor> serrucho
[02:24] <connor> can you help me out?
[02:24] <SilentDis> !compix
[02:24] <BluesKaj> serrucho, delete the the first 4 lines in you r sources list , then uncomment (take out the # in fron of all the lines starting with  'deb  ' . Then save the file and do a sudo apt-get update in the terminal
[02:24] <SilentDis> er
[02:24] <Dr_willis> 335? This is rather low..
[02:24] <SilentDis> !compiz
[02:25] <connor> yeah
[02:25] <NickPresta> connor, the channel can help you
[02:25] <connor> compiz fusion is easy to install
[02:25] <connor> i have it working
[02:25] <connor> i love it
[02:25] <serrucho> ok let me tried
[02:25] <SilentDis> Oh, i've got it working, the problem i have is that my inactive titlebars disappear, just needed the room info :)
[02:28] <BluesKaj> Devourer, asoundconf set-default-card "Intel Corporation 82801"
[02:29] <Devourer> BluesKaj, what now?
[02:29] <BluesKaj> Devourer, did you see above ?
[02:29] <Devourer> BluesKaj, yeah.
[02:29] <Devourer> BluesKaj, should sound work after I type that in?
[02:30] <BluesKaj> make sure alsamixer is working
[02:30] <BluesKaj> and you might need a relogin
[02:30] <Devourer> BluesKaj, ok.
[02:32] <Devourer> BluesKaj, I still have no sound.
[02:32] <BluesKaj> make sure the ctrls in alsamixer are up to 71% or so and unmuted , no M in the box
[02:33] <Devourer> BluesKaj, now it works....
[02:34] <Devourer> BluesKaj, loool... I had the volume to low I guess....
[02:34] <Devourer> BluesKaj, thanks buddy, you get a big hug.
[02:36] <connor> yeah?
[02:36] <BluesKaj> cool Devourer , hugs are unecessary  :)
[02:36] <Devourer> BluesKaj, now, can you tell me why when I try boot into the most recent kernel version I have it gets stuck in some loop?
[02:37] <Devourer> BluesKaj, it'll sit at the kubuntu logo with the progress bar and just keep going like it's doing something but nothing happens.
[02:37] <Devourer> BluesKaj, I tried doing recovery mode and I think it got stuck at something as well.
[02:37] <BluesKaj> Devourer, which graphics card do you have ?
[02:37] <Devourer> BluesKaj, uhhh...
[02:38] <connor> help with recordmydesktop
[02:38] <Devourer> BluesKaj, Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller.
[02:38] <connor> the video didnt save to my desktop
[02:38] <Devourer> BluesKaj, this is the first time this has happened by the wya.
[02:38] <Devourer> BluesKaj, so far it was working fine... but now it messes up... So I went down a kernel version.
[02:38] <BluesKaj> lspci again , Devourer ...look for somethig like video controller
[02:39] <Devourer> BluesKaj, Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller
[02:40] <BluesKaj> ok Devourer have you ever done a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[02:40] <Devourer> BluesKaj, nope. Not even sure what that is.
[02:41] <BluesKaj> open a terminal , sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and just choose the defaults as you go thru the menus
[02:41] <Devourer> BluesKaj, alright.
[02:42] <BluesKaj> Devourer, when you get to the video/graphics driver , let me know what choices you have , like vesa or ...
[02:43] <naught101> my partitioned usb hdd sometimes doesn't auto mount... where should I start looking for answers?
[02:44] <BluesKaj> naught101, look in system menu/storage media ..see if it's listed
[02:44] <Devourer> BluesKaj, I'm not sure I ever got there... :o
[02:44] <Feijo_BR> my kcron isnt runing
[02:44] <Feijo_BR> :(
[02:44] <naught101> BluesKaj: nope...
[02:45] <yoyoma> compliment for kubuntu devs:  smb share interaction is easy
[02:45] <BluesKaj> naught101, connect it before you boot
[02:45] <yoyoma> i didn't think i was spoiled until trying to set up smb connections in xubuntu today
[02:46] <naught101> BluesKaj: I can't, because one of the partitions has a bootable linux system on it :/
[02:46] <BluesKaj> Devourer, try a reboot , if you finished goinf thru the menus
[02:46] <Devourer> Blue, ok.
[02:46] <naught101> mounted this time...
[02:48] <naught101> is there any way to get the storage media applet to open /media/disk instead of media:/sd3 or what ever?
[02:48] <naught101> media:/sdb3
[02:50]  * LEDOhm  Listens to:  [ MINI-ma-L-drid ] >>>> http://84.76.138.117:8000 <<<< [Minimal-Techno & Tech-House Radio] - stream - mp3 - 128kbps - stereo
[02:52] <Agent_bob> mighty quiet around here!
[02:52] <BluesKaj> taking a break
[02:53] <connor> wheres the compiz fusion channel?
[02:53] <Agent_bob> #compiz
[02:53] <BluesKaj> #compiz-fusion
[02:53] <Agent_bob> !compiz
[02:53] <Agent_bob> yeah  #compiz-fusion
[02:54] <Feijo_BR> its time for a great MMPRPG http://delta.astroempires.com/?ref=D.60589
[02:54] <Red_Tear> hi people
[02:54] <Red_Tear> i send you greetings from germany :D
[02:54] <Feijo_BR> join D52 galaxy
[02:55] <Agent_bob> mmp ?
[02:56]  * LEDOhm  Listens to:  [ MINI-ma-L-drid ] >>>> http://84.76.138.117:8000 <<<< [Minimal-Techno & Tech-House Radio] - stream - mp3 - 128kbps - stereo
[02:56] <Feijo_BR> massive multi player
[02:57] <Feijo_BR> space strategy, I'm loving it
[02:58] <Red_Tear> We in germany have "Walpurgisnacht" right now :D
[02:58] <Agent_bob> well i want a remote corner, far enough away that it will take houndteds of generations for anyone to reach me.
[02:58] <Red_Tear> Hey bob that sounds great
[02:58] <Feijo_BR> lol, so join D64
[02:58] <Feijo_BR> even corners has already strong players
[02:58] <Feijo_BR> be near my guild, we can help
[02:59] <Agent_bob> no. i mean "real" generations.
[02:59] <Agent_bob> like realtime
[02:59] <Feijo_BR> oh
[02:59] <Red_Tear> hey im real... in a way... but at all what is real???
[03:00] <Feijo_BR> matrix
[03:00] <Red_Tear> i dont know... all what i know is what my brain tells me what is real but how can i trust my brain?
[03:00] <Agent_bob> Red_Tear just turn the computer off. and walk outside.  you'll see what is real.
[03:00] <BluesKaj> we have a botscript running anouncing songs on a web streamer ... wonder if we should ask an op to ban it
[03:01] <Red_Tear> Well bob but how do i know then that this is real?
[03:01] <hexidigital> real?  like when i switch to ##c++ ?
[03:01] <Red_Tear> i just now what i see, hear, feel and so on... but thats all just what my brain tells me
[03:01] <_2> hexidigital yes.
[03:01] <tekteen> Feijo_BR: how do you join D64? Where can I down it?
[03:02] <asobi> how do i switch from onboard sound to sound card?
[03:02] <hexidigital> Red_Tear:  there's a perfectly good explaination to it all. You know it is real because your brain tells you it is real.  Your brain tells you it is real because it is part of the problem.  Ask your brain.
[03:02] <Feijo_BR> tekteen: its online, no download needed
[03:02] <tekteen> Feijo_BR: what site?
[03:02] <hexidigital> asobi:  kmix ?
[03:02] <Feijo_BR> my bases are in D52, but my guild has ppl on D64 too
[03:02] <asobi> didn't work
[03:02] <Feijo_BR> C31:76:56:30	115 / 115	1 / 2
[03:02] <Feijo_BR> ops
[03:03] <Feijo_BR> tekteen:  http://delta.astroempires.com/?ref=D.60589
[03:03] <hexidigital> asobi:  interesting.  Is your sound card listed in dmesg?
[03:03] <asobi> er dmesg?
[03:03] <tekteen> Feijo_BR: thanks
[03:03] <_2> asobi command
[03:03] <asobi> it's listed in kmix
[03:04] <Feijo_BR> my pleasure
[03:04] <Feijo_BR> come have fun
[03:04] <_2> asobi dmesg is a command.   getches kernel messages for you.
[03:04] <asobi> i am pretty sure it is
[03:04] <asobi> here's the thing
[03:04] <asobi> if i reboot now
[03:04] <asobi> it will work
[03:04] <asobi> i reboot again
[03:04] <asobi> it won't
[03:04] <asobi> and so on
[03:05]  * LEDOhm  Listens to:  [ MINI-ma-L-drid ] >>>> http://84.76.138.117:8000 <<<< [Minimal-Techno & Tech-House Radio] - stream - mp3 - 128kbps - stereo
[03:05] <_2> this is not M$ we don't reboot to fix things.
[03:05] <asobi> this is why i am asking
[03:06] <hexidigital> wait... we can reboot?
[03:06] <BluesKaj> !ops > LEDOhm
[03:06]  * LEDOhm  Listens to:  [ MINI-ma-L-drid ] >>>> http://84.76.138.117:8000 <<<< [Minimal-Techno & Tech-House Radio] - stream - mp3 - 128kbps - stereo
[03:07]  * LEDOhm  Listens to:  [ MINI-ma-L-drid ] >>>> http://84.76.138.117:8000 <<<< [Minimal-Techno & Tech-House Radio] - stream - mp3 - 128kbps - stereo
[03:07] <_2> asobi drop to a console ( alt+ctrl+f2   use  alt+f7 to return to GUI )  and check   sudo alsamixer   settings.
[03:07] <hexidigital> mneptok:  i'd love to say it was a bot, but he did that in 2 other channels
[03:08] <hexidigital> too random to be a bot
[03:08] <asobi> ok
[03:08] <asobi> it's showing onboard sound
[03:08] <_2> asobi ummm let me see if i can find the howto for this...
[03:09] <asobi> how do i tell it to change card
[03:09] <asobi> better yet, is there some startup config file to edit?
[03:09] <genii> asoundconf
[03:09] <Itaku-AA> on 8.04 how do i get the game alien arena?
[03:09] <asobi> adept
[03:10] <asobi> where do i find asoundconf
[03:10] <genii> asobi: If you run asoundconf in Konsole it will give you the syntax of how to select a default sound card
[03:10] <asobi> and what do i edit
[03:10] <asobi> hmm
[03:10] <genii> asobi: No editing involved
[03:10] <cahuez_> apt-cache search asoundconf maybe..
[03:10] <genii> cahuez_: No. It's installed by default
[03:11] <asobi> mm
[03:11] <asobi> it gives me syntax
[03:11] <asobi> but what parameters do i enter
[03:11] <dthacker> Itaku-AA: use adept to search for the package and install it from there.
[03:12] <_2> asobi ok you may also want to "blacklist" your on-board sound chip
[03:12] <asobi> O.o
[03:12] <asobi> ok. how?
[03:12] <genii> asobi: eg: To list your cards:   asoundconf list
[03:12] <asobi> hmm let me try genii's way first
[03:13] <genii> asobie: eg: to pick default: asoundconf set-default-card <one of the names it just gave you>
[03:13] <_2> asobi by   sudo nano /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist   add the driver name to the list
[03:13] <asobi> hmm
[03:13] <asobi> do i need to reboot to take effect?
[03:13] <o0Chris0o> what are some cool themes anyone think is cool here?
[03:14] <_2> no.
[03:14] <asobi> then it failed
[03:14] <o0Chris0o> sorry going to offtopic :-p
[03:14] <genii> asobi: Not usually. Just restart the sound server from system Settings
[03:14] <_2> you need to restart alsa
[03:14] <asobi> oh
[03:14] <asobi> how do i restart alsa
[03:14] <BluesKaj> sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
[03:15] <lord_> #ubuntu-es
[03:15] <genii> asobi: eg: Kmenu...System Settings...Sound System ... unclick Enable Sound System ... click Apply . then click off Enable Sound System. Click Apply
[03:17] <Ketrel> nosrednaekim: it started working again I did nothing dfferent
[03:17] <asobi> um
[03:17] <asobi> it goes to 100%
[03:17] <asobi> then restarts ~_~
[03:18] <nosrednaekim> Ketrel: thats the weirdest thing :)
[03:18] <nosrednaekim> asobi: run what BluesKaj said first then...
[03:18] <asobi> tried that too
[03:18] <asobi> still no sound :/
[03:18] <Ketrel> nosrednaekim: it most definitely is. The only solution seems to be time. (and it never happened in Fiesty)
[03:18] <Ketrel> er Gutsy
[03:19]  * _2 recalls blacklisting a driver and running:   while lsmod | grep snd ;do for Q in `lsmod | grep snd ` ;do sudo modprobe -r $Q ;done ;done ;sudo /etc/init.d/module-init-tools start
[03:20] <genii> asobi: Thats fine. It will still take. Just hit cancel button on the little popup after it goes to 100% first time
[03:20] <_2> of course you could redirrect stderr to null and clean up the error messages there.
[03:20] <BluesKaj> asobi, maybe it's as simple as setting the ctrls in alsamixer
[03:20] <asobi> still no sound
[03:20] <genii> asobi: Do you have some intel HDA soundcard? They need special attention
[03:21] <asobi> sound blaster live
[03:21] <asobi> and some onboard crap ~_~
[03:21] <_2> !sblive
[03:21] <_2> !hda
[03:21] <o0Chris0o> !botabuse
[03:21] <genii> asobi: OK, not it then. Make sure in Kmix that any PCM inputs are not muted
[03:21] <_2> !opsnack | o0Chris0o
[03:22] <genii> !intelhda > _2
[03:22] <asobi> it's not
[03:22] <o0Chris0o> :-p
[03:22] <BluesKaj> asobi, lspci | grep audio , check the audio controllers listed there
[03:23] <asobi> both show up
[03:23] <Feijo_BR> !compiz
[03:23] <genii> asobi: in Konsole: asoundconf is-active <name of card you set to default>
[03:23] <asobi> still no :/
[03:23] <BluesKaj> asobi, then you'll have to choose one as the deafault , asoundconf set-default-card "name of soundcard"
[03:23] <_2> genii he needs to be doing that as root    no?
[03:24] <asobi> hmm
[03:24] <asobi> let me do default again
[03:24] <asobi> under root
[03:24] <genii> _2: Not if he's a member of the audio group which he should be by default
[03:25] <asobi> nope
[03:25] <asobi> still failed
[03:25] <_2> ok
[03:25] <BluesKaj> asobi, you may have to relogin
[03:25] <_2> i still say blacklist the onboard and reset.
[03:25] <genii> asobi: You going to be using the onboard at all? If not, disable it in bios
[03:26] <genii> (fast and dirty way)
[03:26] <asobi> how do i get to bios?
[03:26] <genii> Hmm
[03:26] <asobi> my keyboard doesn't respond during boot
[03:26] <_2> wiff da hot key
[03:26] <BluesKaj> _2 . that's prolly not a bad idea, ...in windows you have to choose one a delete the other in hardware peripherals ...dunno if that works in linux tho
[03:26] <asobi> it's not detected yet i think
[03:27] <genii> asobi: The thing when you power on tha says usually something like: Hit DEL for Setup               sometimes it says F2 or other things. but that key
[03:27] <asobi> my keyboard doesn't respond during boot
[03:27] <asobi> it's not detected yet i think
[03:27] <asobi> could be wrong
[03:27] <_2> BluesKaj you add the module name to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist in linux
[03:27] <asobi> suppose it is
[03:27] <genii> asobi: Plug some crappy regular ps2 keyboard in to get in, then put your other back on after
[03:28] <asobi> where in bios am i looking
[03:28] <asobi> well
[03:28] <asobi> i guess it should be obvious
[03:28] <genii> asobi: Someplace usually like PEripherals  or so
[03:28] <Santi-> hello
[03:29] <_2> intergrated priphreals
[03:29] <genii> Sorry not peripherals, onboard/builtin whatever section (lan,sound,video settings in there somewhere normally on those embedded boards)
[03:29] <BluesKaj> asobi, hardware peripherals
[03:29] <_2> intergrated <   in some bioii
[03:29] <asobi> ok
[03:29] <Santi-> i have a very strange problem
[03:29] <asobi> but why didn't any of the above work
[03:29] <genii> Different bios may call them differentthigs but poking around shuuld find them
[03:29] <Santi-> any hardware expert?
[03:30] <genii> Santi-: Better to state the issue then see if someone can help
[03:30]  * BluesKaj backs off ... lotta cooks in the kitchen 
[03:30] <_2> Santi- just ask.   if anyone knows they'll answer
[03:30] <Santi-> ok
[03:30] <genii> BluesKaj: :)
[03:30] <Santi-> I only have sound using KDE apps
[03:30] <Santi-> but don have
[03:31] <Santi-> if i try tu use anything beyond Amarok or Kaffeine
[03:31] <o0Chris0o> how do I install NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.12-pkg1.run
[03:31] <genii> Santi-: You only have sound with KDE apps but you don't have KDE?
[03:31] <_2> set them to use alsa/arts/whatever kde uses now days
[03:31] <Santi-> i used to have Gnome
[03:31] <Santi-> but i installed Kubunty
[03:31] <Santi-> sorry Kubuntu
[03:31] <_2> and the other apps are looking for esound rather than arts
[03:32] <Santi-> but sound still not working :(
[03:33] <_2> that's actually not a hardware question.    it's a DE/+app settings question
[03:33] <Santi-> ok
[03:33] <Santi-> :p
[03:33] <Santi-> can u solv it?? :)
[03:34] <genii> o0Chris0o: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_169.12.html
[03:34] <_2> but in most applications menus there is a "configure blah"  where you can tell the app to use alsa/arts output for it's sound.
[03:34] <Red_Tear> hi people
[03:34] <_2> Red_Tear again
[03:34] <genii> asobi: So many different things can be the issue it's sometimes difficult to narrow down immediately why "above didn't work, why?" etc
[03:34] <Santi-> yes i know
[03:34] <genii> bah he left
[03:35] <Santi-> but when i strat de OS it shoul do a "loggin" sound
[03:35] <Santi-> but it does not do it
[03:35] <Santi-> or any other sound
[03:35] <Red_Tear> Im heiner... one of many personalitiys in this body^^
[03:36] <genii> Santi-: Are you seeing the speaker icon at all?
[03:37] <Santi-> yes
[03:37] <_2> Santi- and sound works for kde apps ?
[03:37] <Santi-> only with Amarok and Kaffeine
[03:37] <genii> _2: I think you're right about esound but I'm not sure how to solve that one
[03:38] <mneptok> Santi-: adjust the login window settings
[03:38] <_2> start esound daemon   esd
[03:38] <_2> sudo /etc/init.d/esd start   ???
[03:38] <_2> no it's xinit
[03:38] <_2> i guess.
[03:39] <Santi-> santiago@Clota:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/esd star
[03:39] <Santi-> [sudo] password for santiago:
[03:39] <Santi-> Sorry, try again.
[03:39] <Santi-> [sudo] password for santiago:
[03:39] <Santi-> sudo: /etc/init.d/esd: command not found
[03:39] <Santi-> santiago@Clota:~$
[03:39] <BluesKaj> sacktime for me
[03:40] <Santi-> santiago@Clota:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/esd star
[03:40] <Santi-> [sudo] password for santiago:
[03:40] <Santi-> Sorry, try again.
[03:40] <Santi-> [sudo] password for santiago:
[03:40] <Santi-> sudo: /etc/init.d/esd: command not found
[03:40] <Santi-> santiago@Clota:~$
[03:41] <Santi-> i have a M2N-E sli motherboard
[03:42] <_2> yes. i corrected my self.  ""<_2> no it's xinit   <_2> i guess.""   meaning that there is no init script for it
[03:42] <o0Chris0o> there is a new nVidia driver out,, its a 173.08 beta, I am wondering if that could help fix some issues I am having with compiz :)
[03:42] <naknomik> What is the difference between kubuntu-kde4-desktop package functional?
[03:42] <dwidmann> o0Chris0o: I'm sure it could, and I'm sure it comes with brand new problems for you also
[03:42] <Santi-> so? what should i do?
[03:42] <dwidmann> naknomik: difference between it and what?
[03:43] <o0Chris0o> probably so
[03:43] <o0Chris0o> but going to install it :)
[03:43] <naknomik> and kubuntu-desktop
[03:43] <serrucho> hi im back
[03:43] <bibek> how do i set the color of taxkbar application name TEXT?
[03:43] <serrucho> nick
[03:43] <naknomik> dwidmann: I guess one is 3.5 and other is 4.
[03:43] <dwidmann> naknomik: kubuntu-desktop uses kde3 and kubuntu-kde4-desktop uses kde4
[03:43] <serrucho> i can`t fix this thing
[03:43] <bibek> im on kde3
[03:43] <_2> you have "/usr/bin/esd" ?
[03:43] <naknomik> dwidmann: Is KDE 4 functional or still some pieces missing?
[03:43] <_2> @ Santi- ^
[03:44] <dwidmann> naknomik: missing piecs
[03:44] <_2> ubottu go ignore yourself
[03:44] <naknomik> dwidmann: is there a document/page comparing KDE3 and KDE4 in Kubuntu 8.04?
[03:44] <serrucho> E: Type ‘--19:32:31--’ is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list
[03:44] <serrucho> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[03:44] <serrucho> Go to the repository dialogue to correct the problem.
[03:44] <serrucho> E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[03:44] <serrucho> can somebody tell me how to fix it
[03:45] <dwidmann> naknomik: probably not, seeing as it's not really intended for use by regular users until KDE 4.1 ... which is when those missing pieces should be present again
[03:45] <_2> fix your sources.list file serrucho
[03:45] <dwidmann> naknomik: for the moment I recommend trying both, then mixing the two together.
[03:45] <naknomik> dwidmann: Is mixing them possible?
[03:45] <naknomik> I didn't know that.
[03:45] <serrucho> can you tell how
[03:45] <Santi-> wait a second
[03:45] <dwidmann> naknomik: sure, I'm using KDE3 with a bunch of KDE4 apps .... opposite is also possible
[03:46] <Santi-> santiago@Clota:~$ cd /usr/bin/esd
[03:46] <Santi-> bash: cd: /usr/bin/esd: No existe el fichero ó directorio
[03:46] <naknomik> Currently I'm using GNOME but want to try KDE
[03:46] <dwidmann> naknomik: in fact, I would be doing the other way around except KDE4.0.3 doesn't quite have multi-head nailed ....
[03:46] <_2> Santi- heh  that's right.  it's not a dirrectory. it's a file.
[03:46] <Santi-> LOL :D
[03:47] <naknomik> dwidmann: I only have one monitor, so no issues here.
[03:47] <dwidmann> naknomik: I recommend installing kubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-kde4-desktop and seeing what you like, write down the parts you like about each and make your own perfect desktop :)
[03:47] <_2> i have to run for a few.
[03:47] <dwidmann> naknomik: (keeping in mind you can also mix the window managers, panels, desktops, etc, everything down to the nit and grit, linux is great for that :) )
[03:49] <naknomik> I like gnome but hate the default music manager (Rhythmbox)
[03:50] <dwidmann> amarok > rythmbox
[03:50] <naknomik> dwidmann: amarok >>> rhythmbox, no doubt about it
[03:51] <dwidmann> naknomik: when I mentioned kde4 had missing pieces, that's one of the pieces that's missing.
[03:51] <Santi-> help?
[03:51] <naknomik> dwidmann: that's bad.
[03:51] <dwidmann> Santi-: why do you need esd?
[03:52] <Santi-> i dont know
[03:52] <dwidmann> Santi-: assuming you're using kde (seeing as you're in #kubuntu) ... makes me wonder
[03:52] <Santi-> _2 told me that i should look for it
[03:53] <dwidmann> Santi-: ah, yes, _2 is right ... it is a file not a directory. Try this::   ------    /usr/bin/esd   -----
[03:54] <mneptok> Santi-: what are you trying to do?
[03:54] <Santi-> if i run this
[03:54] <Santi-> aplay -Ddefault:1 /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Left.wav
[03:55] <Santi-> sound works
[03:55] <Santi-> however i do not hear OS sounds
[03:55] <Santi-> such us loggin music
[03:55] <mneptok> Santi-: login music is controlled by the KDM and your session variables.
[03:56] <mneptok> Santi-: is the KDM greeter set up to play a sound? is KDE configured to play a sound at each user login? does your profile override this default?
[03:56] <naknomik> I am trying to run Amarok under Gnome and I get 'DCOP communication error' dialogbox asking me to 'Please chekc that the "decopserver" program is running' What do I need to do here?
[03:57] <Santi-> i dont know :$
[03:57] <dwidmann> naknomik: try running "dcopserver" in a shell and see what it does
[03:58] <mneptok> Santi-: wel, i'd find out before installling deprecated sound architectures
[03:58] <thumper> how do I lock an application (firefox) to a particular desktop?
[03:58] <thumper> since the hardy upgrade it always jumps to a different desktop
[03:58] <naknomik> When I click OK on that dialog box, I get another 'Error-Amarok' dialogbox saying: Amarok could not find any sound-engine plugins. Amarock is now updating the KDEconfiguration database. ......'
[03:58] <mneptok> thumper: use only one desktop :P
[03:58] <thumper> mneptok: ;-p
[03:58] <mneptok> thumper: 3.5 or 4?
[03:58] <Santi-> mneptok: i dont have sound in firefox for example :d
[03:58] <thumper> 3.5
[03:59] <mneptok> thumper: i'll check on the GF's machine in an hour or so when i get home
[03:59] <thumper> mneptok: ok
[03:59] <naknomik> dwidmann: I run 'dcopserver' in an xterm and I see NOTHING. I get the prompt back.
[03:59] <mneptok> thumper: you awake for the next 2h or so?
[04:00] <thumper> mneptok: yeah
[04:00] <thumper> mneptok: it is only 3pm
[04:00] <mneptok> thumper: remind me on the interal server
[04:00] <thumper> ok
[04:00] <mneptok> *internal
[04:00] <mneptok> poifekt
[04:00] <dwidmann> naknomik: after doing that will amarok run?
[04:00] <naknomik> dwidmann: Now I get another error. 'Amarok could not find any sound-engine plugins. Amarok is now updating the KDE configuration database. Please wait a couple of minutes, then restart Amarok.'
[04:01] <dwidmann> naknomik: is the amarok-xine package installed?
[04:01] <naknomik> How do I find that out?
[04:02] <dwidmann> naknomik: dpkg --list amarok-xine
[04:02] <naknomik> dwidmann: ii
[04:02] <dwidmann> hmm, yup, it is
[04:02] <lascar> i just upgraded to hardy and, just like in Gutsy, wifi was shot for my atheros card out of the book.  I recompiled from source, load the module, and get wifi again, but the settings don't get saved.  In fact, the system hangs whenever I try to hibernate or go on standby, and the ath_pci module is to blame.  So, I have to manually load the module after each boot, and my system is no longer capable of hibernation or suspension.  Can I be
[04:03] <dwidmann> naknomik: if you go to settings-> configure amarok -> ... do you see the xine engine listed?
[04:04] <naknomik> dwidmann: I don't have KDE desktop installed, so how do I get to 'settings -> configure amarok?
[04:04] <dwidmann> naknomik: I mean in amarok, assuming it runs
[04:04] <naknomik> dwidmann: Now, when I can't start amarok, how do get to configure amarok?
[04:05] <naknomik> dwidmann: When I press OK on the above mentioned dialog, Amarok splash screen vanishes.
[04:05] <dwidmann> :s ah, that rules that out then
[04:05] <dwidmann> naknomik: maybe someone in #amarok would know
[04:10] <bibek> how do i enable desktop effects in kubuntu? im on kde3
[04:10] <bibek> hardy has default desktop effects settings somewhere ?
[04:12] <naknomik> Is Kubuntu Desktop available with the compiz goodness like Gnome in 8.04?
[04:12] <dwidmann> naknomik: it'll take some work I think
[04:12] <dwidmann> #compiz
[04:12] <dwidmann> erm
[04:12] <dwidmann> #$#!
[04:13] <lascar> !ath_pci
[04:13] <dwidmann> !compiz
[04:13] <lascar> !compiz
[04:13] <dwidmann> there we go
[04:13] <lascar> ﻿i just upgraded to hardy and, just like in Gutsy, wifi was shot for my atheros card out of the book.  I recompiled from source, load the module, and get wifi again, but the settings don't get saved.  In fact, the system hangs whenever I try to hibernate or go on standby, and the ath_pci module is to blame.  So, I have to manually load the module after each boot, and my system is no longer capable of hibernation or suspension.  Can I
[04:14] <mneptok> paste shorter text snippets? sure.
[04:14] <mneptok> ;)
[04:17] <naknomik> I'm using GDM and I want to start two sessions, one KDE and one Gnome (KDE is installed). How do I achieve that?
[04:17] <kuma> hi, anybody knows witch is the ubuntu spanish channel
[04:17] <genii> !es
[04:18] <naknomik> If I use 'Switch User', and get back to GDM (with one session already started in Gnome), and login with option to start KDE session, it simply takes me back to my gnome session.
[04:18] <kuma> thanks genni :)
[04:18] <genii> kuma: You're welcome :)
[04:20] <mneptok> genii: es "de nada" ;)
[04:20] <genii> naknomik: Since gdm is running in ony one console I'm not sure that way is possible. But if you ctrl-alt-F5 and login then you can issue some command like: startx -:1 & startkde  while Gnome is running in console 6
[04:20] <genii> mneptok: :)
[04:21] <neon> how can i get make the icon for a external sata hd show on desktop when plugin , i have it configure to get mounted automatically when i plug it, and when on the control center/desktop/behavior and checked to show mounted hd but it does not show any suggestions, thx
[04:23] <dwidmann> naknomik: try using kdm instead?
[04:23] <dwidmann> naknomik: I've never had any issues with multiple sessions with kdm
[04:24] <genii> dwidmann: They want 1 X with Gnome and 1 X with KDE at same time
[04:24] <naknomik> How do I change from gdm to kdm?
[04:24] <dwidmann> naknomik: to try it out run "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop && sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[04:24] <dwidmann> genii: : i know
[04:24] <naknomik> and to change it forever?
[04:25] <dwidmann> naknomik: and if you decide you want it to be permanent run sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm and it should give you a choice
[04:25] <genii> naknomik: Make sure kdm is installed first. Then: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm                  choose kdm as the login manager
[04:25] <naknomik> OK. Off I go!
[04:28] <dsmith_> hello I have an error thats showing up, kstartupconfig. I moved my /home to its own sep. partition /dev/sda/
[04:29] <neon> how can i get make the icon for a external sata hd show on desktop when plugin , i have it configure to get mounted automatically when i plug it, and when on the control center/desktop/behavior and checked to show mounted hd but it does not show any suggestions, thx
[04:29] <dsmith_> and I edited my fstab
[04:29] <dsmith_> but its still not working
[04:29] <spykedtomato> hi everyone - I recently upgraded to hardy, and since doing so video playback (divx files among others) is choppy at full screen - any ideas what that's all about? I've never had problems before this upgrade
[04:29] <dsmith_> neon, is it formattted? Do you have an entry for the /dev in fstab?
[04:31] <neon> it is formated and yes there is an entry on fstab, it gets recognized and mounted as soon as i plug it in, the problem is that it does not show the icon in my desktop so i have to click a few times to get to it
[04:31] <dsmith_> under /media or /mnt? something like that?
[04:31] <neon> yes
[04:31] <genii> neon: Also, did you move the contents of the old /home there somehow? If so how? cp -someswitches? usermod -d /newhomedir username? Did permissions get preserved? etc
[04:32] <dsmith_> genii: that was me
[04:32] <KWGoD> how do i change the audio in konsole?
[04:32] <dsmith_> genii: I did migrate all my data, but left /home
[04:32] <KWGoD> how do i change the audio in konsole?
[04:32] <genii> dsmith_: There are many "gotchyas" in this situation
[04:33] <dsmith_> what I did was after my data was working from /dev/sda4 i mv /home to /home_old
[04:33] <Red_Tear> many what?
[04:33] <dsmith_> and mkdir /home
[04:33] <dsmith_> then made edits in /etc/fstab
[04:34] <genii> dsmith_: Some ppl forget the base dir /home still requires to exist for instance :)
[04:34] <KWGoD> how do i change the audio in konsole?
[04:35] <dsmith_> so I should not have moved /home?
[04:35] <Red_Tear> you know, /home is powerful^^
[04:35] <genii> dsmith_: Well, so long as you remake it it's fine
[04:35] <dsmith_> my data is still there
[04:36] <dsmith_> did I say that I did remake the /home dir, its show wehn cd /
[04:36] <genii> dsmith_: But a better inital approach would be more like something: sudo cp -a /home /somewhere       then they both still exist
[04:37] <dsmith_> sooo... perhaps sudo cp -a /media/sda4 /home will reverse the breakage?
[04:37] <genii> dsmith_: Where /somewhere is the new partition it will be in. Then too the original /home is there in emergency in case that new partition fails at some point
[04:37] <KWGoD> how do i change the audio in konsole?
[04:37] <dsmith_> hmmm
[04:37] <Red_Tear> what exactly do you mean KWGoD ?
[04:38] <intelikey> my data transfer seems slow.  1.90 MB/s   someone tell me that's not normal ?
[04:38] <genii> dsmith_: /media/sda4 is where your working /home is right now?
[04:38] <dsmith_> genii, gotcha kinda like a cheap raid 1
[04:38] <dsmith_> yes
[04:38] <flaccid> intelikey: normal fr?
[04:39] <intelikey> flaccid hda > hdb
[04:39] <KWGoD> i need to screw with the audio in konsole cuz my audios not workin right n someone told me earlier how to fix it it was like a one word thing that started with a and ended in mixer or somethin
[04:39] <dsmith_> intelikey: thats not normal, normal is 10-20MB/s
[04:39] <flaccid> yeah can be normal. what disks are they?
[04:39] <dsmith_> well it depends though
[04:39] <flaccid> can be normal if its notebook 4200rpm..
[04:39] <intelikey> i'll have to look
[04:39] <flaccid> on same bus
[04:39] <dsmith_> many variables
[04:39] <flaccid> yeah heeeeaps of vars
[04:39] <dsmith_> haha
[04:40] <will00> does anyone have a reccomendation for a graphics setup for a touchscreen point of sale system?
[04:40] <genii> dsmith_: Since in this cae it's mounted as /home you have to put it somewhere temp, then something tricky like: sudo umount /home && cp -a /thattempplace /home
[04:40] <dsmith_> wacom board? lol
[04:40] <genii> *sudo cp -a blahblah           that is
[04:41] <flaccid> will00: check out wacom otherwise i guess anything will do if its supported
[04:41] <intelikey> product: WDC WD800BB-00CAA1 > product: WDC WD200AA
[04:41] <dsmith_> 7200 rpm?
[04:41] <o0Chris0o> I dunno
[04:41] <o0Chris0o> I kinda wanna run gentoo now
[04:41] <o0Chris0o> oops
[04:41] <intelikey> not listed
[04:41] <dsmith_> how old?
[04:41] <intelikey> probably 5400
[04:42] <dsmith_> those seem old
[04:42] <intelikey> umm not too old.  80g
[04:42] <KWGoD> tear did ya get that?
[04:42] <flaccid> if its not normal on your system then it might be hard to work out why
[04:42] <will00> flaccid, well im looking for more linux friendly gpus
[04:42] <intelikey> being on the same cable slows it down ?
[04:43] <dsmith_> I trpically get 10-20 over smb and nfs
[04:43] <dsmith_> sometimes higerh then that
[04:43] <dsmith_> copy to disc to disc on same machine should be quick
[04:44] <flaccid> will00: nvidia generally
[04:44] <will00> alright
[04:44] <dsmith_> intelikey: must be running Vista
[04:44] <nbf7777> help with amarok.
[04:44] <o0Chris0o> I do I stop X in kubuntu?
[04:45] <o0Chris0o> sudo /sbin/init 2?
[04:45] <nbf7777> it sais cannot play cool streams. error media not found/.
[04:45] <flaccid> o0Chris0o: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop ?
[04:45] <flaccid> nbf7777: try #amarok
[04:45] <intelikey> dsmith_ bite your tongue
[04:45] <genii> o0Chris0o: The init levels 2,3,4 and 5 in ubuntu are the same
[04:46] <intelikey> them's figntin' words
[04:46] <intelikey> s/n/h/
[04:47] <dsmith_> lol
[04:47] <dsmith_> intelikey: only reason Isaid that was I copying 160MB across vista to my NAS for someone, it took 5 mins!
[04:48] <intelikey> heh  yeah.
[04:48] <dsmith_> where as it takes ~30 sec's for any of my other machines
[04:48] <intelikey> only 10x
[04:49] <intelikey> it may be ext2 to ext2   but that shouldn't slow it down much over ext3
[04:50] <o0Chris0o> didn't work :(
[04:50] <KWGoD> how do i change the audio in konsole?
[04:51] <o0Chris0o> !x
[04:51] <intelikey> ummm hda ext3 > hdb ext2
[04:51] <intelikey> it must be because it's the same cable
[04:52] <intelikey> i've never noticed that kind of "slowness" before
[04:52] <flaccid> intelikey: maybe you are usuing an ata33 cable and not 133
[04:52] <intelikey> err umm prolly
[04:53] <intelikey> i'm not pulling the box apart to see tho
[04:53] <dsmith_> heh
[04:53] <flaccid> haha :p
[04:54] <intelikey> may be mfm cable for all i know
[04:54] <flaccid> mfm?
 MFM has two cables
[04:54] <o0Chris0o> how do I stop x or restart it so I can use the console? and not the GUI?
[04:55] <intelikey> what they used on the first hdd's   was about 16 pin
[04:55] <intelikey> 15 maybe
[04:55] <flaccid> o0Chris0o: you can use the console with a tty eg. ctrl+alt+f2. no need to stop X/kdm, but if you want to [13:45] <flaccid> o0Chris0o: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[04:55] <intelikey> genii has seen them too   :)
[04:55] <genii> intelikey: 2 cables, one is same as FD cable width, the second is about that 16
[04:56] <flaccid> um what sort of disks are these
[04:56] <intelikey> genii no it's smaller than fdd
[04:56] <flaccid> sata are quite small :p
[04:56] <intelikey> genii the fdd cable is about the size of both mfm cables togather
[04:56] <KWGoD> how do i change the audio in konsole?
[04:56] <KWGoD> and my Ark program doesnt work
[04:57] <flaccid> KWGoD: change audio how?
[04:57] <flaccid> KWGoD: alsamixer ?
[04:57] <KWGoD> thankyou
[04:58] <genii> intelikey: Yeah probably :) Been so long i forget
[04:58]  * intelikey turns around to see if the 5" mfm hdd is still lying in the floar behind him...
[04:58] <o0Chris0o> that didn't work ;(
[04:59] <o0Chris0o> I I couldn't type after tty started
[04:59] <intelikey> nope got rid of it last week.
[04:59] <KWGoD> The utility unrar-free is not in your PATH.
[04:59] <KWGoD> Please install it or contact your system administrator.
[04:59] <o0Chris0o> flaccid:
[04:59] <KWGoD> someone help me fix that?
[04:59] <genii> intelikey: I think there were two types even of MFM, 20 and 34 as well
[04:59] <intelikey> KWGoD install it
[05:00] <intelikey> genii i couldn't argue that.
[05:00] <KWGoD> where at?
[05:00] <intelikey> package manager
[05:01] <intelikey> !apt | KWGoD
[05:01] <flaccid> o0Chris0o:  ?
[05:01] <o0Chris0o> alright
[05:01] <o0Chris0o> it didnt' work
[05:02] <o0Chris0o> I want to shut down x and be able to type in console
[05:02] <o0Chris0o> but I am unable to do it
[05:02] <flaccid> o0Chris0o: specifically why can you not?
[05:03] <intelikey> how would you setup a file system where /usr was on nfs shared and /usr/local was on the local machine ?
[05:04] <sparr__> the nfs /usr would need to have an empty local folder, and be mounted first
[05:04] <intelikey> you can mount a local on an nfs ?
[05:05] <flaccid> you could symlink on the remote fs i guess /usr/local  -> /mnt/sdb1 for example
[05:05] <flaccid> i think you can
[05:05] <flaccid> i mean a symlink is just a pointer
[05:05] <sparr__> symlink is VERY bad for that
[05:05] <flaccid> sparr__: what to do then
[05:05] <sparr__> use mount
[05:06] <flaccid> i guess if its mounted after the first 1 it should be ok?
[05:06] <Idrogeno> hmm
[05:07] <intelikey> i'm trying to understand the "file system hierarchy" page   it says that /usr/local is for local use only and many system have /usr on nfs for whole networks to use...    just trying to see the logic in that...
[05:07] <Idrogeno> you could use a relative symlink I guess
[05:07] <Idrogeno> to get around the mount order
[05:07] <flaccid> try google?
[05:08] <intelikey> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxFilesystemTreeOverview
[05:10] <intelikey> wops that page is patched.  no /usr/local on it.
[05:10] <intelikey> :)
[05:10] <Ketrel> how can I stop X from starting automatically?
[05:10] <intelikey> my cached copy wasn't patched
[05:10] <intelikey> Ketrel remove the symlink in /etc/rc2.d/S???dm
[05:11] <intelikey> not sure that's "upstart"'s way of doing it.
[05:11] <Ketrel> intelikey: if I want it back, I'd remake that symlink?
[05:11] <dsmith_> I'm stuck grrrr... my home directory is /mnt/home, the partition is /dev/sda4, fstab says /dev/sda4 /mnt/home ext3 defaults 0 2 Why isn't this working
[05:12] <intelikey> Ketrel yes
[05:12] <intelikey> Ketrel there is a script for that    update-rc.d
[05:13] <Ketrel> intelikey: if I understand right, unlinking it will stop X from starting and running update-rc.d will put it back?
[05:14] <intelikey> Ketrel update-rc.d is a script that helps you remove/add symlinks in the rc#.d dirrectories
[05:15] <intelikey> you can do it by hand.     rm /etc/rc2.d/S<tab>42gdm    <<< the tab completion...      and  ln -s /etc/init.d/gdm /etc/rc2.d/S42gdm
[05:16] <genii> dsmith_: If you're using /mnt as root dir for /home then you need to tell system /home/myname is now /mnt/home/myname       eg:  sudo usermod -d /mnt/home/myname myname
[05:16] <Ketrel> intelikey I use KDE, so I'd substitute kdm?
[05:16] <intelikey> Ketrel yes.  but i don't support kdm
[05:17] <intelikey> it's a personal thang
[05:17] <Ketrel> (I'm asking because I'm hit by the bug where I can't get to a terminal once X has started)
[05:18] <intelikey> disabling fbcon would probably be a better solution   (note fbcon is used for the boot splash)
[05:18] <dsmith_> seawolf, old redhat kernel name
[05:18] <dsmith_> heh
[05:19] <dsmith_> omg genii
[05:19] <Ketrel> how would that work? wouldn't kdm start anyway afterwards?
[05:19] <dsmith_> I owe you big time
[05:19] <dsmith_> genii: thanks a million
[05:19] <dsmith_> its loading now finally
[05:20] <genii> dsmith_: :) You can make all new home dirs be created there from now on as well if you like
[05:20] <neo__> why kde4
[05:20] <neo__> why isn't kde4's login manager work?
[05:21] <dsmith_> genii it was the sudo usermod command that was holding me back
[05:21] <dsmith_> I forgot about that one and have it stuffed in one of my books somewhere
[05:21] <intelikey> artical says http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d4e8fdaea
[05:22]  * intelikey jsut edits /etc/passwd for that...  
[05:23] <intelikey> and yes i know you can break things there.   you can just as easily break things using usermod
[05:25]  * dsmith_ must now help at least 5-1 10 ppl to give back to the spirit of Linux
[05:25] <dsmith_> :)
[05:26] <dsmith_> I did help one gal out in utah switch from vista to ubuntu.. even got her going to the Utah LUG
[05:27] <fildo> /j #fildo.org
[05:27] <genii> dsmith_: For all new users to be in /mnt/home edit /etc/adduser.conf to change /home to /mnt/home  in there
[05:27] <genii> dsmith_: (as a sidenote to previous conversation)
[05:31] <dsmith_> lol intelikey
[05:31] <intelikey> :)
[05:33] <mneptok> intelikey: and you can get hurt stubbing your toe, and you can get hurt by a moving bus. i'll take the toe.
[05:33] <intelikey> mneptok you take your toe i'll take the bus and lets see who gets there first  :)
[05:33] <genii> You'll take his toe??
[05:34] <genii> nvm mis-read
[05:34] <intelikey> dsmith_ i think that virus is open sourced :)
[05:35] <dsmith_> mormon?
[05:35] <dsmith_> lol
[05:36] <Myrth[home]> hi, does anyone else need to restart networkmanager at least once a day because it takes up to 25% of 1GB RAM?
[05:36] <intelikey> yeah
[05:36] <T3> after i did the kubuntu upgrade (up to 8.04) today, i'm facing 'frozen screen' when i close my notebook
[05:36] <dsmith_> genii: should I just leave /home as is?
[05:36] <T3> anybody heard about something like that?
[05:36] <intelikey> dsmith_ what are you doing with the new addressing of home/ ?
[05:36] <genii> dsmith_: In case the mount ever fails for /mnt/home you'll have a fallback. So yes
[05:37] <intelikey> mounting someihing to live in ?
[05:37] <dsmith_> ok..]
[05:37] <T3> it does not fail when i lock the screen
[05:37] <dsmith_> eh? I just created apartition and moved my home dir to it thatsall
[05:37] <T3> but only when i 'close' the laptop and open again
[05:37] <crazy_bus> how do I tell firefox-2, to open when I type firefox.  As I think that's causing some problems in a OOo extension
[05:37] <dsmith_> genii: whats the best way for file redundancy then if one partiton were to fail?
[05:38] <T3> it stalls on black screen, but i can notice the system is working normally
[05:38] <T3> looking at leds etc
[05:38] <intelikey> dsmith_ you can have it mount on /home if you want.  or you can set your $HOME variable to /whatever/ and mount it there.   linux i Xscreemly flexable that way
[05:38] <genii> dsmith_: Backups
[05:39] <T3> also is possible to ctrl+alt+fX and open other terminal normally
[05:40]  * intelikey mounts   hda /   hdb /home   hdc /var/www   hdd /usr/local   only thing that is tricky to use as a mountpoint is /etc and /lib
[05:40] <intelikey> oh and /proc of course    like duh
[05:40] <dsmith_> I am using keep to make daily backups
[05:41] <dsmith_> I am still stuck in using gui's too much
[05:41] <dsmith_> lol
[05:41] <intelikey> t3  that hardy ?
[05:42] <intelikey> nevermind i see it is.
[05:42] <intelikey> t3 i know very little about hardy.   can you reconfigure your xserver ?
[05:43] <intelikey> t3  or if you are using a propritary driver, reinstall it ?
[05:43] <T3> intelikey: yes, is
[05:44] <intelikey> crazy_bus symlink it
[05:45] <intelikey> crazy_bus sudo ln -s /usr/bin/firefox-2 /usr/local/bin/firefox      or something like that
[05:46] <crazy_bus> thanks intelikey
[05:46] <intelikey> well come
[05:46] <T3> intelikey: what do you mean by reconfigure my xserver?
[05:46] <intelikey> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:46] <intelikey> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -plow
[05:46] <crazy_bus> the OOo extension still isn't working but at least I know it's not that
[05:46] <intelikey> @ t3
[05:47] <T3> i use a Intel 945 video driver
[05:47]  * genii feeds intelikey some coffee
[05:47]  * intelikey wishes that ubottu had an ignore me switch
[05:48] <intelikey> genii spike it.
[05:48] <intelikey> ;/   long night
[05:48]  * genii covertly pours some 20 year scotch in intelikey's coffee
[05:48] <intelikey> :)
[05:48] <intelikey> (:
[05:49] <T3> intelikey: done.. will test
[05:49] <intelikey> coffee strong enough to float a horse shoe in,  and strong enough to make the horse stagger       yeee hah !
[05:50] <genii> intelikey: I understand. Had a 14 hour workday today. Sorta winding down now (trying to)
[05:51] <intelikey> 19.5 hour == long    14 = normal    well almost   13.5 is normal
[05:52] <genii> intelikey: You should seriously sleep sometime
[05:52] <T3> intelikey: a logical coffee to you, as a THANKS award
[05:52] <genii> T3: hE LIKES COOKIES TOO
[05:52] <genii> Bah caps lock
[05:52] <intelikey> welcome t3
[05:52] <genii> !helpersnack | intelikey
[05:52] <T3> =]
[05:53] <intelikey> !botsnack | to you
[05:54] <intelikey> ok that's too geeky even for me.    back in a few.
[05:55] <genii> hehe
[05:56] <dwidmann> Umm, I've been getting random shutdowns lately, with no messages whatsoever, does anybody have any ideas how I can track down the cause?
[05:56] <o0Chris0o> guys
[05:56] <o0Chris0o> I don't want to be a noob anymore
[05:56] <o0Chris0o> so
[05:56] <o0Chris0o> I am going to install gentoo
[05:56] <o0Chris0o> and run fluxbox
[05:57] <o0Chris0o> I wanna learn
[05:57] <o0Chris0o> :)
[05:57] <o0Chris0o> sorry off topic convo
[05:57] <genii> o0Chris0o: Have fun :)
[05:57] <dwidmann> o0Chris0o: I have an idea for you that doesn't involve switching distros if you're interesting
[05:57] <neo__> how long will gentoo installing take?
[05:57] <dwidmann> neo__: I heard the number "ten hours" from someone else, but it's highly dependent on your machine
[05:57] <intelikey> dwidmann he's not very interesting
[05:57] <robotgeek> dwidmann: take a look at output of dmesg | less
[05:58]  * robotgeek recommends linux from scratch :)
[05:58] <o0Chris0o> dwidmann: whats the idea
[05:58] <dwidmann> o0Chris0o: install a minimal ubuntu system, with no gui, and try to survive for a week.
[05:59] <dwidmann> o0Chris0o: while still remaining productive
[05:59] <neo__> 10 hours, not so bad
[05:59] <o0Chris0o> gnome enviroement?
[05:59] <neo__> what about inside a virtual machine?
[05:59] <o0Chris0o> oh nvm
[05:59] <o0Chris0o> with no gui
[05:59] <robotgeek> it does not take 10 hours, they have binaries now.
[06:00] <o0Chris0o> and installers
[06:00] <o0Chris0o> from live cd
[06:00] <neo__> sounds great.
[06:00] <o0Chris0o> http://www.gentoo.org
[06:01] <dwidmann> That sounds contradictory to the supposed benefits gentoo was supposed to offer :s
[06:02] <philsf> I just upgraded to hardy and noticed that in kmail (or kontact, fwiw) the keys +/- (next unread/prev unread) don't work anymore. Can anyone confirm this behaviour?
[06:03] <o0Chris0o> !bugs
[06:03] <dwidmann> robotgeek: I'm looking, but an extra set of eyes couldn't hurt, tell me if you see anything -- http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d3847e220
[06:04] <robotgeek> philsf: it works fine for me.
[06:04] <philsf> robotgeek: any idea what can I do to fix it?
[06:05] <dwidmann> robotgeek: and dmesg.0 also - http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d6c972763
[06:05] <robotgeek> philsf: does it work from the menu (Go -> Next Unread Message?)
[06:05] <philsf> robotgeek: yup
[06:05] <robotgeek> philsf: does it have the correct shortcuts listed next to them?
[06:06] <robotgeek> dwidmann: i don't see anything odd there, lemme see if i need to look at a different log file
[06:06] <philsf> robotgeek: yup, also
[06:07] <robotgeek> dwidmann: might be work looking at both the syslog and kernel.log (/var/log)
[06:07] <philsf> robotgeek: actually, I'm used to using the numpad + and - keys for this, but the + in the main pad works
[06:07] <neo__> ~gentoo
[06:07] <philsf> (and yes, the numlock light is lit)
[06:08] <philsf> weird, then it's not kmail's fault
[06:11] <shree_> hi how do I join ubuntu channel
[06:11] <flaccid> shree_: /join #ubuntu
[06:11] <shree_> flaccid: thanks
[06:11] <flaccid> np
[06:13] <philsf> weird...
[06:13] <philsf> robotgeek: it's not kmail, at all
[06:13] <philsf> I an consistently crash X with any number in the numpad
[06:14] <dwidmann> Things certainly were acting funny after removing network-manager .... no wonder I lost my connection
[06:14] <intelikey> black mate finish, browning a-bolt .308  with a nightforce 8-32x56.   why?   what do you use ?   i just assumed that was a standard issue...
[06:14] <intelikey> oh crap.
[06:14] <intelikey> sorry guys.
[06:14] <flaccid> yeah best t put up with network manager and learn how to use it
[06:14] <dwidmann> robotgeek: http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d19a81abd
[06:15] <dwidmann> crud, the syslog backed up a minute ago
[06:16] <amaafui> hey, I am new to linux ubuntu.. can you guys suggest me a website to learn about it..
[06:17] <robotgeek> amaafui: i suggest you read the help file in your computer (Kmenu-> help)
[06:17] <intelikey> amaafui ubuntu.com
[06:17] <genii> amaafui: http://ubuntuguide.org/          is very good although it is Gnome centric.
[06:18] <intelikey> gah-know-meh centric
[06:19] <dwidmann> It talks a lot about lawn ornaments?
[06:19] <intelikey> yeah that tooo
[06:19] <genii> amaafui: http://kubuntuguide.org/Hardy is not bad for KDE
[06:21] <genii> amaafui: For clarification, Gnome is the window manager (graphical interface) for regular Ubuntu, KDE is the window manager of Kubuntu
[06:21] <kennedy> :D
[06:21] <genii> And no lawn ornaments are involved
[06:22] <intelikey> oh that reminds me.  i have an issue     as most of you know, when i start a GUI it's usually blackbox.  but; if i run nautilus in there i lose my menus.    err i guess that's one for the other channel tho...
[06:22] <kennedy> Vou dar uma saída =D
[06:22] <kennedy> Algum português nessa merdica?
[06:22] <intelikey> !pr
[06:22] <intelikey> !t
[06:22] <intelikey> !pt
[06:22] <intelikey> typos
[06:22] <kennedy> Tks
[06:23] <intelikey> wc
[06:24] <mrmonkeyman> where can I find the correct parameters for adding a secondary ext3 partitioned hard drive to fstab?
[06:25] <dwidmann> robotgeek: that other pastebin was being a PITA, here it is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9130/
[06:25] <kubuntu> my kubuntu 8.04 keeps freezing
[06:25] <kubuntu> anyone have that ame problem
[06:25] <dwidmann> kubuntu: nope, mine's randomly resetting, completely different problem >.>
[06:26] <kubuntu> dwidman does it randomly reset while watching flash
[06:26] <kubuntu> mine freezes most while watching flash
[06:26] <dwidmann> robotgeek: around line 124 I think
[06:27] <genii> mrmonkeyman: Something like UUID=57987654-f040-4ae4-93fc-b7ae8dabcdef6 /media/somename ext3 user,defaults,noauto 0 0                 find the right uuid from output of: blkid   and make the directory in /media you want to use in the fstab
[06:28] <intelikey> mrmonkeyman man mount   man fstab    and google.com    or just ask in here :)
[06:28] <mike-kubunt1> anyone with tips on a splash screen error or compiz not showing kde window decorations unless it is the active window?
[06:28] <genii> mrmonkeyman: You can change noauto to auto if you want it mounted each boot. Also manpage of fstab is informatove, as intelikey points out
[06:28] <mrmonkeyman> lol, thanks blkid is what i'm looking for
[06:29] <mike-kubunt1> for some reason, i'm stuck in a text based boot, except for about 5 seconds at the very begging, no errors in console
[06:30] <intelikey> by "stuck" i assume that means you want out of there ?
[06:30] <mike-kubunt1> intelikey: yes, i liked the cool blue kubuntu bar :'
[06:30] <intelikey> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -plow
[06:30] <intelikey> oh wait.
[06:30] <intelikey> let me re read that
[06:30] <robotgeek> dwidmann: brb
[06:31] <intelikey> !usplash | mike-kubunt1
[06:31] <dwidmann> robotgeek: but wait, there's more ;) http://paste.ubuntu.com/9131/ -kern.log, around line 34
[06:31] <intelikey> that's probably what you are asking about
[06:31] <mike-kubunt1> yeah, but for some reason, its like it plays part of the usplash, then goes to verbose mode
[06:31] <mike-kubunt1> you think reselecting will fix it?
[06:32] <genii> I think you either require more coffee, or more sleep but i'm not sure which ( intelikey )
[06:32] <dsmith_> gn all
[06:32] <intelikey> follow that link   ^
[06:32] <mrmonkeyman> I just converted 4 hard drives to ext3 without losing any data woohooo!
[06:32] <intelikey> genii i   bu  mmm   well   ok.
[06:32] <robotgeek> dwidmann: npviewer.bin is flash plugin process, i think
[06:33] <mike-kubunt1> kk brb, gonna check if that did it ^ ^
[06:33] <dwidmann> robotgeek: hmm, come to think of it, konqueror 4.0.3 has some really nasty issues with that
[06:34] <intelikey> genii i thought he meant he was booting to a text login    not that usplash was dropping out early on him...     some times those kind of "i'm doing this and want that" messages are a little fuzzie  !!!
[06:34] <dwidmann> robotgeek: there, I just now disabled it in konqueror 4.0.3, but I wasn't anywhere near my computer when it mysteriously reset this last time
[06:34] <genii> intelikey: True, true :)
[06:35]  * genii slips intelikey more (spiked) coffee
[06:35] <dwidmann> intelikey: don't blame yourself, it's the price others pay for being vague, by being vague they're practically begging you to interpret it however you please
[06:35] <intelikey> that'll clear it all up...  hickup
[06:35] <genii> heh
[06:36] <robotgeek> dwidmann: that usb disconnect seemed to occur at an odd time
[06:36] <intelikey> dwidmann like   "my ubuntu hurts, can anyone fix it for me? </super whine voice>"
[06:37] <dwidmann> robotgeek: 00:56 is when I came back upstairs to see it asking for my encryption passphrase ...
[06:37] <mike-kubuntu> grr, it gives me a little of the usplash at the begining, a full one on shutdown
[06:37] <dwidmann> robotgeek: come to think of things, my keyboard has been weird lately, and it's usb, I wonder.
[06:37] <mike-kubuntu> but a little way into startup, it jumps to *reading files needed to boot [ok] etc...
[06:38] <mike-kubuntu> could it be taking my apache 2 "warning" of set /etc/conf/saslsd, USESASL = YES to enable sasld
[06:38] <mike-kubuntu> that shouldn't be a seriouse issue though
[06:39] <intelikey> mike-kubuntu sounds like  /etc/rc2.d/S98usplash   is running to quickly   maybe    (race condition instigated by upstart)     idk.
[06:40] <dwidmann> robotgeek: though, I did remove my flash drive a while ago ...
[06:40] <intelikey> mike-kubuntu or maybe you are loading a vidio driver and it's disabeling the fbcon     <-- quite possable.
[06:41] <intelikey> mike-kubuntu what vidio chip ?
[06:42] <mike-kubuntu> nvidia 8600 gts
[06:42] <mike-kubuntu> G80
[06:42] <intelikey> look and see if nvfb is blacklisted
[06:43] <intelikey> or nvidiafb
[06:43] <intelikey> which ever that is
[06:43] <mike-kubuntu> neither is
[06:43] <mike-kubuntu> it works on shutdown, which is wierd
[06:43] <mike-kubuntu> its like somethings pulling it out of the boot splash
[06:43] <mike-kubuntu> it does the part where the blue bar bounces back and forth, then cuts out when its supposed to slowly fill up
[06:44] <dwidmann> mike-kubuntu: most errors and/or input requests will make usplash disappear
[06:44] <intelikey> no. it's like something switching the gpu out of vga mode    and loading drivers do that
[06:44] <intelikey> dmesg | less
[06:45] <robotgeek> dwidmann: i gotta go, sorry.
[06:45] <dwidmann> robotgeek:  aww :( later
[06:46] <dwidmann> robotgeek: maybe later/
[06:46] <dwidmann> robotgeek: I'll save those links
[06:46] <mike-kubuntu> hmm, i don't see anythign thats an error, closes i get is that hint from apache in case i want to turn on sasld
[06:47] <mike-kubuntu> i see NVRM: loading NVIDIA UNIX x86_64 kernel module 169.12 Thu feb 14 17:51:09 pst 2008, follode by a ACPI: PCI Interrupt, could that be it?
[06:47] <intelikey> change the time that apache loads and see if it changes when it drops out of vga mode
[06:48] <mike-kubuntu> where can i find those boot up messeges? what is sasld, maybe if i enable it it'll go away
[06:48] <mike-kubuntu> not sure what it is though
[06:48] <intelikey> mike-kubuntu yes that could be it.    that's what i was saying at first.   but, that may not be it.
[06:49] <intelikey> to the NV Q ^
[06:50] <intelikey> if it's the apache daemon that's doing it to you.   just change the order of startup so that apache doesn't start until after gdm  (kdm for those that "must" use it)
[06:52] <rich1> can someone help me with setting a static ip and port forwarding, please?
[06:52] <mike-kubuntu> rich1: its all router dependent if your behind that
[06:53] <rich1> mike-kubuntu: i'm using the actiontec dsl modem that qwest sent.
[06:53] <mrmonkeyman> Thanks to everyone that helped me tonight
[06:53] <mike-kubuntu> rich1: its dependent on their hardware, however, if you wanna try poking around, is all on the router side
[06:53] <mike-kubuntu> you need to set ip by mac adress
[06:54] <intelikey> rich1 how do you like qwest dsl  ?   if you don't mind my asking.
[06:54] <rich1> ugghhh.  this is all new to me.  i guess more googling.
[06:54] <mike-kubuntu> you can find it out by doing a ifconfig -all, and then you probably wanna forward ports 20 22 21 and 80
[06:54] <rich1> intelikey: i guess it's ok.  i have the 7.5mbps connections but bittornado only dls about 10-12kbs.
[06:55] <mike-kubuntu> intelikey: how do i change the start-up order of the events
[06:56] <intelikey> k.   & ty for responding.
[06:57] <intelikey> mike-kubuntu the /etc/rc#.d/S##names    changing the  ## will change the order    i would only move apache to something like 87
[06:57] <mike-kubuntu> intelikey: right now its at 91
[06:57] <intelikey> mike-kubuntu in rc2.d ?  or rcS.d ?
[06:58] <martin> How do I hide a .desktop file (in /usr/share/applications) so that it does not appear in the menu for any user? E.g. the control panel that comes with Sun Java. I can of course delete it, but that's not so nice.
[06:58] <mike-kubuntu> /etc/rc2.d/S91apache2
[06:58] <intelikey> hmmm that's not the cause.   go back to looking at the nv driver as the culpret
[06:59] <sirmike1970md> hi all for reason i cant get my menu bar to pop back up any thoughts
[06:59] <intelikey> unless you are loading something like apache-mod in rcS.d that is  ^
[06:59] <rich1> mike-kubuntu: sorry, but i don't see a mac address in ifconfig -a.
[07:00] <mike-kubuntu> rich1: its the HWaddr
[07:00] <intelikey> HWaddr xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx
[07:00] <blankb> Does VirtualBox OSE work out of the box w/ 8.04?
[07:00] <rich1> oooooh.  ok thanks.
[07:01] <intelikey> yes and no blankb, more no than yes for most.
[07:02] <blankb> intelikey: thanks.... I will do a backup before I try installing it then. 8)
[07:03] <mike-kubuntu> NVRM attempts something at 55.250895, but then does it again at 99, somthing
[07:03] <mike-kubuntu> the 55 one is followed by a GSI 18 (level, low) -> IRQ 18 ACPI PCI interupt
[07:03] <mike-kubuntu> besides that i don't see anyhing wierd though, not sure what it means
[07:03] <surplusxmas> My Kubuntu 8.04 AMD64 (KDE4 Remix) Alternate Install CD install fails at the step "Select and install software".  I verified the md5sum after downloading, then ran the check integrity utility on the CD Itself, which came back valid.  The CD was burned at 16x, my lowest speed available.  My specs: Pentium D 3.00GHz, 1GB RAM, 300GB SATA HDD.  This seems to be all over the forums but none of the threads can resolve this problem fo
[07:03] <surplusxmas> a different mirror, burned with a different burner (K3B on Slax this time instead of MagicISO on Windows XP).
[07:04] <intelikey> irq18 may be your vga interrupt  you can check in /proc/interrupte and see
[07:04] <mike-kubuntu> intelikey: cat /proc/interupt | less ?
[07:05] <genii> surplusxmas: do alt-f4 to see what the install messages/errors may be
[07:05] <intelikey> less is not needed here.. you may have a long list,  i dont'
[07:05] <genii> surplusxmas: alt-f1 to go back to main install screen
[07:05] <mike-kubuntu> intelikey: /proc/interupt doesnt exist supposedly
[07:05] <surplusxmas> genii: Here - http://surplusxmas.net/kubuntulog/
[07:05] <intelikey> mike-kubuntu it's plural
[07:05] <intelikey> !tab | mike-kubuntu
[07:06] <mike-kubuntu> intelikey: sorry, 18 is EMU10K1
[07:06] <intelikey> even "M$ Windoze command prompt"  now has tab completion
[07:06] <flaccid> ll
[07:06] <flaccid> lol even
[07:07] <intelikey> mike-kubuntu that would be a eth or ath card i think
[07:07] <genii> surplusxmas: The info there is not extremely helpful in finding out why the alternate cd is stalling. To find out what it's attempting to do or the process it's stalling on, when it stalls, do: alt-f4 to view the scrolling output of what the installer is doing. There may be some theme there which has informative information.
[07:08] <intelikey> mike-kubuntu ummm   you might ask in #ubuntu  seeing that i have told you just about all i can on that.    and usplash is not DE related/specific
[07:09] <surplusxmas> genii: OK.  It's actually this machine that I'm trying to install on - I'm on a Slax LiveCD right now, so it's impossible at the moment.  Because of that, do you have any other suggestions that I can use during the same install attempt to take advantage of the install attempt?  You know, since I have to go back and fourth. :)
[07:09] <mike-kubuntu> well, i don't mind the nongraphical boot as much as the window decorations dis appearing when compiz is launched except for the active window
[07:09] <mike-kubuntu> intelikey: thanks, i'll try there
[07:10] <intelikey> anyone know a map source for garmen gps units ?   or a  converter for map files ?
[07:11] <genii> surplusxmas: If the console4 has something informative you can go to busybox of console2 or console3 to try and fix it from commandline
[07:12] <genii> surplusxmas: Unfortunately I need to sleep soon and willnot be around to assist
[07:12] <intelikey> FOSS is key there   ^
[07:15] <genii> 2:15AM here, goodnight all
[07:22] <flaccid> where is ubotu?
[07:22] <intelikey> getting a face lift
[07:23] <intelikey> !ubottu
[07:23] <flaccid> ah
[07:23] <flaccid> is there anywhere i can look up the most popular ubotu factoids?
[07:23] <flaccid> or has the project done studies on the popular support requests/issues?
[07:24] <intelikey> !logs
[07:24] <intelikey> ?
[07:24] <flaccid> i guess logs aint going to grep out the frequent stuff
[07:25] <intelikey> !factoids
[07:25] <flaccid> !dkfjdsklf
[07:25] <flaccid> hmm
[07:27] <intelikey> anyway wherever the factoid list is   you could     for Q in `somthign to put the list here` ;do echo "$Q `grep -c $Q channel.log`" ;done
[07:27] <flaccid> intelikey: yeah i searched google and i can't find the factoids anymore, its like its 404 on a .nl site..
[07:27] <flaccid> i want to identify the holes in our support etc.
[07:27] <intelikey> hmmm
[07:28] <intelikey> flaccid vidio and audio    and minor networking
[07:28] <intelikey> thoes are the major sore spots
[07:28] <flaccid> yep plus i guess samba
[07:29] <flaccid> trying to see if there are more major ones
[07:29] <flaccid> wondering if its possible to come up with generic troubleshooting processes for things like these eg. 'my audio doesn't work out of box'
[07:30] <mike-kubuntu> where can i find the md5sums for the dvd i386 release
[07:31] <flaccid> thats a good question
[07:31] <intelikey> flaccid i don't see why not.    #alsa  can even help on that.  they use scripts
[07:32] <flaccid> they use scripts?
[07:32] <intelikey> flaccid yes  for gathering information on problem systems
[07:32] <intelikey> you join there and they tell you    dl and run this...  give me the url...
[07:33] <flaccid> interesting, thanks i'll investigate
[07:33] <intelikey> welcome
[07:34] <intelikey> not sure about   #xorg   but you might hit a good idea there too.
[07:34] <flaccid> yeah. lots of thinking to do here
[07:34] <intelikey> may require some thinking drinking....
[07:35] <flaccid> yeah
[07:35] <flaccid> i ran out of milk so im on long blacks
[07:40] <octet> mike-kubuntu: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/8.04/release/MD5SUMS
[07:41] <flaccid> stdin: mate i think we need the dvd / all checksums on the download page
[07:41] <ubuntu_> hi all . I am first time using kubuntu. How do I get jre installed for FireFox, so that I can play java games ?
[07:42] <flaccid> !java | ubuntu_
[07:42] <flaccid> ubuntu_: most people will want to install kubuntu-restricted-extras which gives java plus other common wants
[07:43] <manossss> hello, i am doing an installation after i broke my system :) . What do you think about this partition scheme? swap:512,/ 30G,/home 45 G, /data 45 G ? 30 G for / is good?
[07:43] <flaccid> whats /data?
[07:43] <ubuntu_> ok I am running live right now, have not installed onto hrd drive quite yet, just wanted to get the hang of it first
[07:43] <flaccid> ubuntu_: coolio
[07:45] <manossss> flaccid : it's like another partition.. it can also be in /media.. it's just another partition..
[07:45] <manossss> i don't know about / ..
[07:45] <ere4si> 10G for / is heaps
[07:46] <manossss> ere4si: so, 10 G is enough for /  ? i don't want / to be full.. can lead to bad stuff!
[07:46] <flaccid> manossss: well thats probably not the best way to do it but cool...
[07:47]  * intelikey normally uses 4g /
[07:47] <flaccid> manossss: the / depends on things like spooling as there is no separate /var
[07:47] <ere4si> the install is only 3G or so
[07:47] <flaccid> if its a mail or print server, / may need to be large for example unless using in /home like maildir
[07:48] <flaccid> intelikey: what other servers do users install on desktops a lot like samba?
[07:48] <flaccid> i guess x11vnc
[07:48] <manossss> yes, that is why i'm 'afraid' of giving to litle space for /.. i don't want /tmp to fill my partition and then my system will not be good.. Maybe 5 G ?
[07:49] <flaccid> manossss: what are the roles of this puter?
[07:49] <intelikey> flaccid ftp  but don't ask why
[07:49] <flaccid> intelikey: ah yeah so openssh-server for sftp and something else for insecure
[07:49] <LamerMan> guys, is it worth now to switch to kde4? is it stable enough? :)
[07:50] <manossss> flaccid: I work on this computer. no servers (even ssh), i have my server for these stuff.. No big games
[07:50] <manossss> my desktop+my production machine
[07:50] <intelikey> yeah   vsftp  even
[07:50] <ubuntu_> one more quick question, if I may. When I install things while running live, then decide to install onto the hard drive, do the extra things I just installed also get installed onto the harddrive, or do I have to install them again after?
[07:50] <manossss> 'production':i study
[07:51] <flaccid> manossss: in that case 5G should be enough unless you install heeeaps of apps
[07:51] <ere4si> ubuntu_: you have to reinstall them
[07:51] <ubuntu_> ok thank you
[07:51] <intelikey> manossss i might even ask why you are "partitioning" it...   could give the disk to /   if you have a backup server  then nothing gets full
[07:51] <flaccid> intelikey: i guess insecure is only recommended in the case where the client doesn't have sftp support, which means they should change to winscp if on windows :)
[07:52] <intelikey> yes
[07:52] <dwidmann> what does it take to get recordmydesktop working in hardy? It dies with some sort of "locking assertion failure" :(
[07:52] <ere4si> with a separate /home fresh installs are easier
[07:52] <flaccid> intelikey: any other servers you can think of that are common for desktop users
[07:52] <manossss> intelikey : i am installing from a system failure.. so, i want /home seperete this time..
[07:53] <flaccid> i wonder why the installer doesn't advise a separate home, i would of thought that would be a good practice
[07:53] <manossss> flaccid for real!
[07:53] <flaccid> hopefully im real :)
[07:54] <manossss> :)
[07:54] <flaccid> manossss: actually im a power user and have a 40G / but use over 6GB. maybe a 10GB is wise manossss
[07:54] <dwidmann> flaccid: I think it's planned
[07:54] <flaccid> dwidmann: coolio
[07:55] <flaccid> an option for separate /var and /usr would be mad as well...
[07:56] <manossss> flaccid 10 G is what i'm thinking of using. it's a 120 G drive so, 10 is not so much.. i think a seperate /home is enough
[07:56] <manossss> :)
[07:56] <surplusxmas> My AMD64 Kubuntu 8.04 (KDE4 Remix) Alternte Install CD fails at "Select and install software".  The CD is fully valid/integrity checked.  I looked in the console after the failure message was given and I saw the following: "WARNING**: Configuring 'pkgsel' failed with error code 1" and "WARNING**: Menu item 'pkgsel' failed." What does this mean and how can I fix it?
[07:56] <flaccid> manossss: yep exactly. im on a 120GB notebook hdd and apply same sort of principle
[07:56] <flaccid> surplusxmas: did you try google?
[07:57] <dwidmann> surplusxmas: maybe it's just trying to download things ....... that's what happened to me, if you use the expert mode on the alternate installer it'll let you skip that
[07:57] <intelikey> flaccid not really.   most people are just running httpd (a private web page or two) sshd (which smarter people use with konqurer and fish://)  X11vnc (shared desktops) samba & cupsysd      and a few even dare the less common private mailbox daemon of choice but that's not common.
[07:57] <surplusxmas> Yes, it was unusually unfriendly.
[07:57] <surplusxmas> What's the difference between this and expert mode?
[07:57] <manossss> and i think 512 swap @ beggining is enough.. i never use swap anyway..
[07:57] <dwidmann> surplusxmas: flexibility, user controll, the ability to know what's going on
[07:58] <flaccid> intelikey: ok cool thanks for the input. i think i might start recommending the web server applet for basic http then apache for users that actually are devs or whatever
[07:58] <surplusxmas> dwidmann: I don't consider myself an "expert," but I'll try it out.  Thanks for your suggestion. :)
[07:58] <flaccid> manossss: depends how much ram you have
[07:58] <intelikey> flaccid and i'm lagging about a minute now.
[07:58] <flaccid> hehe dang intell
[07:59] <manossss> i have 1.2 G
[07:59] <flaccid> make it 1.2GB just in case your puter needs it in peak use
[07:59] <manossss> mm..
[07:59] <flaccid> linux manages memory well so increasing swap size is no detriment..
[08:00] <manossss> i never really use swap.. would a bigger swap also make it slower?
[08:00] <intelikey> slightly larger than ram will allow suspend to disk
[08:00] <flaccid> nah ^^
[08:00] <intelikey> sorry that's gonna be late.
[08:01] <flaccid> windows will love using swap when ram is still available. generally linux only uses swap when out of ram
[08:01] <manossss> mm.. so, when i have a smaller than my ram swap, i cannot suspent to disk?
[08:01] <dwidmann> manossss: if you're not going to suspend to disk and you have enough ram that you never run out, then swap mostly just wastes disk space (which may or may not be precious
[08:02] <manossss> i usually suspent to ram.. but i still want to have the option.. and for 1 G.. i think it's ok
[08:02] <dwidmann> manossss: suspend to disk basically just dumps what's in your ram to the swap, so you have to have more swap than ram to suspend.
[08:02] <intelikey>    The  maximum  useful
[08:02] <intelikey>        size  of  a  swap  area now depends on the architecture.  It is roughly 2GiB on i386, PPC,
[08:02] <intelikey>        m68k, ARM, 1GiB on sparc, 512MiB on mips, 128GiB on alpha and 3TiB on sparc64.
[08:02] <intelikey> man mkswap
[08:03] <flaccid> i generally never go over 2048MB swap which kind of matches that theory sweet
[08:03] <manossss> dwidmann i didn't knew.. so even if i use part of my memory, i would need the space to copy ALL my memory.. (even 0s)
[08:04]  * intelikey never uses swap    period.
[08:04] <dwidmann> which reminds me, I need to spring for that extra 2GiB of RAM
[08:04] <flaccid> intelikey: you have lots of ram?
[08:05] <intelikey> Memory Used/Total Percent: 61/503 MB (12%)
[08:05] <noisekiller> Morning all
[08:05] <intelikey> Swap   Used/Total Percent: 0/0 MB (0%)
[08:05] <intelikey> i don't use a lot of ram.
[08:05] <flaccid> are you not running X ? 61MB is not much
[08:06] <manossss> what do you think of: swap:1.4(ram 1.2),/ 10, /home 50,/data 50   ?
[08:06] <flaccid> sounds good to me manossss
[08:06] <intelikey> ummm let me check  i don't think so right now.
[08:06] <intelikey> no  no X atm
[08:07] <flaccid> cool
[08:07] <manossss> :) i'm going with it..
[08:07] <manossss> thanx
[08:08] <intelikey> but i do have a lot going on right now.   several consoles busy
[08:08] <intelikey> like 8 busy consoles
[08:08] <flaccid> yeah but nothing graphical and shiz
[08:08] <intelikey> pasting file /usr/local/bin/mem
[08:08] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d6a9a568f
[08:08] <dwidmann> Mem:   2061244k total,  1135628k used .......
[08:08] <intelikey> the script that gets that ram usage   ^
[08:09] <intelikey> my lag time is down
[08:09] <intelikey> yay
[08:10] <flaccid> cool
[08:11] <intelikey> so much for that...   lag going up ^
[08:11] <intelikey> up
[08:13] <dwidmann> nice script intelikey
[08:14] <intelikey> ty
[08:15] <dwidmann> was it you who I got that pastebin script off of? If so ... many thanks for it also (though the site it uses is a bit flakey at times :( )
[08:16] <LamerMan> i'm doing now upgrade to 8.04 from 7.10, will my settings and additional packets be saved? I was told by someone that upgrade tool installs a fresh OS with default packages and no settings will be saved
[08:17] <dwidmann> wow .... my apps aren't using a whole lot atm ... Memory Used/Total Percent: 433/2012 MB (21%)
[08:20] <Kr|ptiX> ive recently updated to 8.04 an now im haven  sound problems can  someonee help
[08:20] <ere4si> !sound
[08:20] <intelikey> dwidmann idk could be me.   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d21aeaac3   <<< is that it ?   if so the first uncommented line is where you set the url.
[08:21] <intelikey> dwidmann try   s/us/ca/  maybe   ?
[08:22] <intelikey> i've never had any problem with the site.  but then again, that's normal.
[08:25] <intelikey> dwidmann stdin also wrote a script for pasteing things   it might have been his you got     idk.
[08:26] <dwidmann> Hm, hard to tell, all I know is it required me to install curl first
[08:26] <intelikey> if anyone wants to update this one feel free   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d3191e30e
[08:26] <intelikey> dwidmann umm probably mine    i think his used wget
[08:27] <dwidmann> intelikey: I do see the option to change the URL, but how compatible is it with other pastebins?
[08:28] <Qnuffy> Hello
[08:28] <intelikey> dwidmann try just changing the .us to .ca  and see if it helps you
[08:28] <Qnuffy>  have an difficult problem with Hardy (Kubuntu) - i have installed DeKorator and now my top windows titles are disappeared http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/6347/bildschirmphoto1ck7.png <-- heres an screenshot to my problem
[08:29] <LamerMan> did anyone update from 7.10 to 8.04? :) do settings and additional packaged save after update? I have wireshark, avr-gcc and other packages that are not a part of official release, will all they be saved?
[08:29] <Qnuffy> I dont know where they are
[08:31] <dwidmann> intelikey: hmmmm ..... no, still won't work for me ..... bah. It worked a couple times earlier
[08:32] <intelikey> dwidmann ummm maybe not too compatable   hehhe oops.   but i didn't really write it for the world to use.    just for me and if someone in here needed it, i'd share.   but hey   it is FOSS change it to suit your self
[08:32] <intelikey> :)
[08:32] <Qnuffy> is there nobody who can help me?
[08:32] <Qnuffy> :(^^
[08:32] <intelikey> i might make it more portable some time.  if i do i'll let you know dwidmann
[08:32] <dwidmann> intelikey: I'd think about it if I could make heads or tails of it .......
[08:34] <intelikey> Qnuffy i don't/can't    i'm still on dapper and a CLI guy at that.
[08:34] <Qnuffy> :-/
[08:36] <ere4si> Qnuffy: have you tried typing   man dekorator   in a konsole?
[08:36] <Qnuffy> clemens@8u773r8r07:~$ man dekorator
[08:36] <Qnuffy> No manual entry for dekorator
[08:36] <Qnuffy> clemens@8u773r8r07:~$
[08:36] <dwidmann> intelikey: odd that I'm going to be using pastebin to see if I can figure things out, but I feel like seeing if I can get it to working, step one being to stop the output from being redirected to /dev/null ....
[08:38] <dwidmann> intelikey: seems to be uploading, but ... it's not giving me a link :s http://paste.ubuntu.com/9139/
[08:38] <MythosGr> Is this the right place to discuss some upgrade issues with Hardy and amd64?
[08:39] <dwidmann> MythosGr: sure
[08:40] <MythosGr> Thanks, It seems there is something weird with ide hard drives in my machine which has become extremely slow since I upgraded from 7.10 o 8.04
[08:41] <dwidmann> MythosGr: you'll probably see a lot of output in your logs in that case I bet
[08:41] <MythosGr> ... I had to install live-initramfs for the system to boot with 2.6.24-16-generic
[08:41] <dwidmann> MythosGr: check your /var/log/syslog, /var/log/dmesg, and /var/log/kern.log files
[08:41] <noisekiller> Heeelp! xgl is using 99% cpu .... how to disable xgl?
[08:42] <Qnuffy> i hate my window titles
[08:43] <Qnuffy> i install compiz - they're gone, i install Dekorator - they're gone ...
[08:43] <ere4si> Qnuffy: are you using compiz/desktop effects as well?
[08:43] <ere4si> k
[08:43] <Kr|ptiX> can someone help me  set up my sound
[08:43] <intelikey> dwidmann i'm not going to fix it right now.    here   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d49174a9a   i did add a comment or two to help you understand it i little.   and note that   the   |\    means it pipes that output into the next line.
[08:43] <Qnuffy> no i dont - this time i havent install compiz
[08:43] <Qnuffy> but i need dekorator because i want to use the Azenis Desktop theme
[08:45] <MythosGr> I have examined the logs already and I see no errors, however I have the lsmod output from the previous kernel on 7.10 (2.6.22-14-generic) which seems to load different modules for the hard drives (raid1 with xfs))
[08:45] <dwidmann> thanks intelikey, I'll see what I can do :)
[08:46] <MythosGr> 2.6.22 loads ata_generic where 2.6.24 loads pata_amd
[08:48] <ere4si> Qnuffy: nothing on google about that - what is the graphic card you're using?
[08:48] <MythosGr> If I remove the live-initiramfs the system will not boot, I get no busybox or other maintenance shell whatsoever (busybox-initramfs and initramfs-tools installed)
[08:49] <Qnuffy> an geforce 7600gt
[08:49] <Qnuffy> @ ere4si
[08:50] <MythosGr> ...It's a Gigabyte nforce 430 MB with amd64x2 CPU
[08:50] <ere4si> Qnuffy: that should be good enough then...
[08:50] <Qnuffy> i have installed the drivers correctly too :-/
[08:51] <Qnuffy> clemens@8u773r8r07:~$ glxinfo | grep rendering
[08:51] <Qnuffy> direct rendering: Yes
[08:51] <Qnuffy> clemens@8u773r8r07:~$
[08:51] <MythosGr> Any ideas?
[08:54] <Qnuffy> when i use crystal i have my windows titles
[08:54] <Qnuffy> only when i use Dekorator they are gone
[08:54] <ere4si> Qnuffy: enough people have the no titlebars issue in compiz - it is easily solved - but in dekorator I don't know...
[08:55] <Qnuffy> with compiz i have the same problem too^^
[08:55] <ere4si> Qnuffy: in #compiz that will be solved easy
[08:56] <intelikey> i'm sure nobody ever needs anything like this http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d1e3e1837   and anyone that did would just jump streithg to google  rather than using a script.   but here it is anyway.
[09:13] <fakman> hi
[09:14] <intelikey> say
[09:15] <Qnuffy> now i have installed Emerald and an skin but when i select the skin there isn a change
[09:15] <Qnuffy> no reaction
[09:16] <intelikey> apply ?
[09:17] <Qnuffy> yeah
[09:17] <intelikey> hmmm.
[09:17] <Qnuffy> double click on theme
[09:17] <Qnuffy> there's no apply button o:
[09:17] <intelikey> oh me i go now.    gooday
[09:19] <Trophyhead> hey any know if the memory bus on my computer would make any video card slow?, cause it's an old computer has only 133mhz, it's a pentium4 netvista 2ghz 768 ram = )
[09:20] <flaccid> yeah that would make a diff
[09:21] <Trophyhead> k thx, guess I'd be better off buying a new computer than a good card that won't help with a low sys bus = )
[09:21] <flaccid> sorry what is 133mhz?
[09:22] <flaccid> the ram? what type of ram is it? SDRAM?
[09:22] <Trophyhead> the memory bus, I guess, system bus,
[09:23] <flaccid> they are different
[09:23] <flaccid> FSB != memory bus
[09:23] <flaccid> if its p4 its doesn't have a 133mhz fsb...
[09:24] <flaccid> not much you can do if your computer has old ram slots. still the difference in speed it not necessarily dramatic
[09:25] <Trophyhead> hmm, ill take a look at the utilty screen again, I see alot of videos cards say 300 mhz, & because my sys bus is only 133mhz figured it won't perform as well as it could
[09:26] <Trophyhead> it has only a x4 agp slot
[09:26] <flaccid> um are you sure your system bus is 133mhz. i mean hate to point out the obvious, but of course a new computer is going to be faster..
[09:26] <Trophyhead> well at least thats what kubuntu reads it as
[09:27] <flaccid> p4 is usually up to 800mhz for bus..
[09:27] <flaccid> read what as exactly, where? what part of kubuntu?
[09:27] <flaccid> what application in kubuntu?
[09:28] <Trophyhead> when i bought a video card & looked at it in the K-info center program it said x4, tho the card was up to x8
[09:29] <flaccid> yeah backwards compat agp
[09:29] <Trophyhead> yes
[09:29] <flaccid> agp is dead now, its pci-x
[09:30] <Trophyhead> ya true, the fastest
[09:30] <flaccid> but where in kinfocenter does it say 133mhz ?
[09:31] <Trophyhead> oh not there on the IBM utilty screen, where you can see a summery of the system
[09:31] <flaccid> you have to find out what bus its actually talking about...
[09:32] <flaccid> p4 is usually 533mhz, 400 or 800 and p3 was 133mhz..
[09:32] <Trophyhead> i think it said either memory bus, or system bus, I'll go check & reboot
[09:32] <flaccid> ok. i mean if you are using old sdram which is 133mhz then yeah, but i would expect most p4 motherboards to have ddr slots
[09:33] <Trophyhead> oh dam, then I was scammed on this pc yet another way = (   the motherboard had been changed, probably for the pentium 3 = (
[09:33] <Trophyhead> if its 133
[09:33] <flaccid> Trophyhead: well i would advise checking kinfocenter and places to see what exactly you have
[09:33] <flaccid> eg. cat /proc/cpuinfo
[09:34] <Trophyhead> ya im going to thx = )
[09:34] <jeremy_> hey, i need help with WEP please?
[09:34] <flaccid> np
[09:34] <flaccid> jeremy_: whats the problem?
[09:35] <jeremy_> i have my network goin on the windows computers, but it wont work with kubuntu unless i make it unsecured
[09:35] <flaccid> jeremy_: why, what happens?
[09:35] <flaccid> are you using knetworkmanager, jeremy_ ?
[09:35] <ere4si> !wep
[09:36] <flaccid> true. you should be using WPA unless your router cannot support it via firmware upgrade (if needed)
[09:36] <jeremy_> yea i heard it was pretty average, but really just want it to stop my neighbours using my network, no ones gonna bother trying to hack it
[09:36] <flaccid> wep is crackable in a few seconds
[09:36] <flaccid> jeremy_: use WPA>
[09:36] <jeremy_> yea i use knetworkmanager but it just says unable to connect
[09:36] <SlimeyPete> wep's OK if your neighbours aren't tech-savvy
[09:37] <flaccid> until someone wardrives you
[09:37] <flaccid> jeremy_: so can you use WPA ?
[09:37] <SlimeyPete> yeah, but the chances of that vary depending on your location
[09:37] <jeremy_> i gave it a go with the router but it wouldnt save the settings for some reason
[09:37] <flaccid> why take  a risk?
[09:38] <jeremy_> my options were wpa 801.1x or ascii pass or hex pass
[09:38] <flaccid> jeremy_:  i would advise working out why its a problem. probably because you were mismatching asii passphrase and key.
[09:38] <flaccid> jeremy_: pastebin /etc/network/interfaces please
[09:38] <flaccid> you want WPA-PSK with passphrase in ascii.
[09:38] <jeremy_> pastebin?
[09:39] <flaccid> !pastebin | jeremy_
[09:39] <jeremy_> i dont think my router does wpa-psk
[09:39] <flaccid> jeremy_: or TKIP
[09:40] <flaccid> just select the one for passhprase and hopefully it should look after the rest
[09:40] <flaccid> jeremy_: what make/model is the router?
[09:40] <jeremy_> auto lo
[09:40] <jeremy_> iface lo inet loopback
[09:40] <jeremy_> address 127.0.0.1
[09:40] <jeremy_> netmask 255.0.0.0
[09:41] <jeremy_> thats the interfaces file, not much to it
[09:41] <jeremy_> its a dlink 604g
[09:41] <jeremy_> g604t sorry
[09:41] <flaccid> pastebin jeremy_!
[09:41] <jeremy_> oh sorry i thought it was small enough
[09:42] <jeremy_> oh an sorry again my router does do psk
[09:42] <jeremy_> i can choose psk hex or psk string
[09:42] <flaccid> please attempt the wpa psk which is secure. i mean so far looks like no problem. likely dlink as they are pretty bad quality usually
[09:42] <flaccid> psk string is what you want
[09:43] <flaccid> which will convert to hex for you..
[09:43] <jeremy_> any rules for the string? 8 character minimum right?
[09:43] <ere4si> there's no net in that "paste"
[09:44] <flaccid> ere4si: there shouldn't be any net in it as its done on the user level with knetworkmanager
[09:44] <flaccid> jeremy_: yes 8 min please
[09:44] <ere4si> k
[09:44] <jeremy_> k just trying that now
[09:45] <jeremy_> although the browser just seems to freeze when i clcik 'save details and reboot modem'
[09:45] <flaccid> jeremy_: yeah can be typical of bad routers
[09:46] <jeremy_> yea its a piece of crap haha
[09:46] <flaccid> totally. i put dlink in my shitlist years ago. now for soho appliance routers i only use linksys wrt-54gl or similar
[09:47] <jeremy_> ill try do it in the advanced user mode
[09:47] <jeremy_> brb
[09:47] <jeremy_> is group key interval important?
[09:47] <jeremy_> what is that?
[09:48] <flaccid> im not sure what that is. should just use the first key..
[09:48] <jeremy_> k ill give it a go now
[09:48] <flaccid> k
[09:50] <jeremy_> it doesnt seem to keep the wpa string
[09:51] <jeremy_> ill press apply and itll just clear the field
[09:51] <flaccid> which browser?
[09:51] <jeremy_> konquerer
[09:51] <flaccid> dlink probably got invalid code
[09:51] <flaccid> try firefox and failing that Internet Explorer on windows if available
[09:52] <jeremy_> ill go get ie, prolly easiest bet
[09:52] <flaccid> yeah, thats what they code it for because like most firmware makers they totally ignore web standards
[09:54] <jeremy_> yea it sucks
[09:55] <flaccid> any luck but?
[09:55] <flaccid> i mean i would re-flash the firmware on it with latest myself
[09:55] <jeremy_> ive tried with ubuntu before but kinda gave up, but decided to give it a more serious effort this time
[09:55] <jeremy_> jus stating up another laptop with windows
[09:55] <flaccid> cool
[09:56] <flaccid> yeah in this case it appears ubuntu is fine :)
[09:57] <ubuntu> algum brasileiro ?
[09:57] <jeremy_> oh k, its sticking now, ill reboot the router then give it a go
[09:57] <jeremy_> brb
[09:58] <ere4si> !pt
[10:00] <crazy_bus> is there anyway to get a large deb from universe in a torrent (200mb) kget4 is not finishing downloads properly (gets to 100% and then does nothing) and I'm missing a few bytes and don't want to download 200mb's again
[10:01] <cahuez> give a try to amule crazy_bus..
[10:02] <crazy_bus> cahuez: can amule resume a broken file like ktorrent can?
[10:03] <crazy_bus> *like ktorrent can if theirs a app. .torrent file
[10:08] <cahuez> yes it can..
[10:09] <cahuez> try amule and find out the requested file..
[10:10] <crazy_bus> thanks cahuez.  So I just input a server address into amule and it will fix the file?
[10:10] <cahuez> mm, better than that, just go to search and find the desired file, or..
[10:11] <cahuez> try to copy/paste the original .torrent address into it..
[10:11] <crazy_bus> cahuez: so it can search all of the debs from the universe repo?
[10:11] <crazy_bus> cahuez: I don't have a torrent for the file.  That's the problem
[10:12] <cahuez> humm, then try a search of the file inside amule..
[10:13] <crazy_bus> cahuez: do you know if this deb is there? http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/all/fgfs-base/download
[10:14] <snikker> when i insert a cd/dvd in a second dvd drive, the system don't mount it and in dmesg, i've got this: http://pastebin.com/m1cc3d71c
[10:15] <cahuez> checking crazy_bus...
[10:17] <Trophyhead> well I guess I was scammed!, my computer reads 133MHz memory bus speed, like a pentium3 motherboard, in a pentium4 caseing = (  awww F***!!!
[10:18] <cahuez> humm crazy, i can't check the link at this time, traffic jamms or so, ehe but, for what is the link for..!?
[10:18] <jeremy__> back
[10:18] <jeremy__> got wpa all up and running
[10:18] <crazy_bus> cahuez: the package for Flight Gear Flight Simulator -- base files
[10:18] <cahuez> checking...
[10:19] <cahuez> wanna install flightgear right now..!?
[10:19] <crazy_bus> cahuez: what do you mean?
[10:20] <cahuez> are you looking for> cahuez: the package for Flight Gear Flight Simulator -- base files ..!?
[10:21] <crazy_bus> cahuez: I'm looking for the deb file which contains: Flight Gear Flight Simulator base files
[10:22] <cahuez> mm, before of all, try to search all the stuff with> apt-cache search flightgear ..
[10:23] <crazy_bus> cahuez: this package; fgfs-base
[10:24] <cahuez> yeap, is available as a complete apt-getting...
[10:24] <cahuez> then if desired, just type> apt-get install flightgear..
[10:25] <crazy_bus> cahuez: I know.  But the 200mb file is corrupt, and I would much prefer a way to fix it
[10:27] <cahuez> well, doing it the safe way, just try to apt-getting it and then forget the other one..
[10:27] <cahuez> i did install the flightgear the apt-get install flightgear way and runs beautiful, hehe..
[10:28] <crazy_bus> cahuez: the internet is so slow here that would take half a day.  And I'm afraid it wouldn't resume if I had to turn the computer off
[10:28] <XyQrTw> Hello all
[10:30] <cahuez> hiya..
[10:32] <XyQrTw> I've some problems with Kubuntu. My ethernet conection dont strat automaticaly. Who can help me ?
[10:32] <hamalawy> hello everyone, please i need help.. everytime i try to update kubuntu 8.04 it gives me this message " There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[10:33] <cahuez> your ethernet connection..?
[10:33] <XyQrTw> (excuse me ; but i'm french)
[10:33] <hamalawy> i can't update my system, but i can install software
[10:33] <cahuez> is ok..
[10:33] <cahuez> hamalawy, are you doing a online upgrade..?
[10:34] <cahuez> xyqrtw, lets check the following...
[10:34] <sisif> XyQrTw: what chipset do you have for you ethernet card ?
[10:34] <XyQrTw> Where i can see that ?
[10:34] <sisif> lspci | grep Ether
[10:35] <cahuez> let's enter to K/system configuration..
[10:35] <cahuez> network connectivity..
[10:36] <cahuez> and no problem warren, my kubuntu is in spanish but i can read some languages..
[10:36] <hamalawy> yes i'm doing an online upgrade
[10:36] <hamalawy> i already installed kubuntu and i'm trying to update kubuntu it's self if that's what you mean
[10:36] <sisif> cahuez: do you have any experience with modules issues ?
[10:36] <Signil> whats the easiest way one could upgrade to kde4
[10:36] <cahuez> yeap sisif..
[10:37] <cahuez> just let's try to do the online upgrade first and then..
[10:37] <cahuez> hamalawy, the upgrade was succesfull..?
[10:38] <hamalawy> no
[10:38] <sisif> cahuez: If it`s not much trouble to you, can you please check this post (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=776378) and maybe gimme an advice on what to do next ..
[10:38] <noaXess> i want install two deb packages.. one is a dependencie of the other.. it's a newer version of the package mixxx and mixxx-data..
[10:38] <noaXess> how can i do that with the .deb files, that it use also the dependency deb file for the installation?
[10:39] <cahuez> sure, let me try to check it; i'm doing a online upgrade for one of the lan pc's and the stuff is a bit slow...
[10:39] <sisif> cahuez: yup, no hurry. and thank you.
[10:40] <cahuez> humm, i can't firefox while is upgrading..
[10:40] <sisif> noaXess: have you tried with sudo dpkg -i deb1 deb2 ?
[10:40] <hamalawy> okay, i have 6 updates waiting to be installed. when i press apply updates it gives me "There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages. "
[10:41] <cahuez> and the message is near to the end of the upgrade hamalawy..!?
[10:41] <hamalawy> no.. it's as soon as i press the apply updates button
[10:42] <cahuez> and the disk space is fine..?
[10:42] <hamalawy> yeah, i have 30 gigs free
[10:42] <sisif> hamalawy: is you have any experience with ubuntu / kubuntu , you can edit your /etc/apt/sources.list by hand and add the new repos there. And the do a apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade.
[10:43] <sisif> Hmm, but I guess not :(
[10:43] <XyQrTw> sisif > Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8029(AS)
[10:43] <hamalawy> i marked every option in the source list if that's what you mean, including the CD
[10:45] <cahuez> hold, hamalawy, just give a google search for "medibuntu" please..
[10:45] <crazy_bus> cahuez: nm I fixed it with rsync
[10:46] <cahuez> my network is traffic jammed by the time, hehe..
[10:47] <cahuez> ooks fine crazy_bus..
[10:48] <hamalawy> i forgot to say that i installed synaptic and tried to upgrade with it but still the same problem
[10:50] <cahuez> mmm, synaptic is usually already installed by default with kubuntu; probably you overwrite something..!?
[10:52] <octet> mike-kubuntu: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/8.04/release/MD5SUMS
[10:52] <hamalawy> dunno :) ... buti did this as a last hopeless thing
[10:55] <clau30_> hi. how can I install kde3 in kubuntu-remix(kde4)?
[10:55] <sisif> cahuez: do you have any idea on what might cause this error: "ERROR: Module ndiswrapper does not exist in /proc/modules" ?
[10:57] <cahuez> yep, let me check...
[10:57] <Signil> wats the easiest way to upgrade to kde4? I am on feisty :s
[10:58] <cahuez> please sisif, do a google search for> "ERROR: Module ndiswrapper does not exist in /proc/modules" ..
[10:58] <cahuez> there is some usefull info there..
[10:58] <sisif> :)
[10:59] <jonathan__> hello!
[11:00] <jonathan__> UIve a big problem :D
[11:00] <jonathan__> my external storage drive isn't recognizes automatically when i boot my pc!
[11:02] <cahuez> jonathan, try to boot the pc first and then, if usb device, connect it later...
[11:03] <hamalawy> is there anything i can do to fix this problem
[11:04] <hamalawy> i did some research in the forums and other forums but nothing did the trick
[11:06] <noaXess> can i restart sound without rebooting?
[11:06] <cahuez> yes..
[11:07] <cahuez> go to system config..
[11:08] <noaXess> cahuez: and then?
[11:09] <cahuez> check for system admin and click at sound system please..
[11:09] <noaXess> jep
[11:09] <cahuez> at the bottom, there is a button for test sound..
[11:09] <noaXess> jep and if i press it, it hangs
[11:13] <cahuez> mm, then click at the hw tab and check for what is the sound device, by default, autodetect...
[11:15] <kreib> about writing, not programming, just plain text. Things is you want to have it possible to convert your writing to different formats like tex, html etc. So the best thing is probably t just write in plain text in vim and use xml tags so a parser later can recognize different elements like tables etc. But you dont want to invent a xml standard for this, so where can I find such a standard with supprted parsers?
[11:17] <SlimeyPete> kreib: I think that's what docbook is?
[11:18] <kreib> I see, I'll check that out. thx
[11:35] <jeremy_> any1 here running 64bit? i need help with flash
[11:36] <jeremy_> anyone here?
[11:37] <Jucato> !flash64
[11:38] <jeremy_> cheers
[11:40] <Ornedan> My sound stops working after hibernation. This didn't happen in 7.10 and does happen in 8.04. Known issue? Or if not, where should I start looking for the cause?
[11:41] <codeRat> \quit
[11:44] <Amarilis> hi guys
[11:44] <rick_> hi
[11:45] <Amarilis> my problem: i booted the last version of ubuntu/kubuntu from the live cd (normal mode), but when it's time to load gnome/kde what i see are only stripes
[11:46] <Amarilis> i rebooted and i selected safe mode. this time i can see the desktop
[11:48] <Amarilis> i have gigabyte graphic card nvidia 6600GT. do you think that this graphic card is the problem or is the X server ?
[11:49] <Amarilis> i've met this problem from the 7.x version of ubuntu/kubuntu
[11:50] <Amarilis> i even tried last version on a hp laptop and i encountered the same problem
[11:50] <Amarilis> can anyone tell me why this problem occured ?
[11:54] <XceII> are the gutsy updates shut down?
[11:57] <ubunturos> Kubuntu 8.04 has the wubi feature, but is anyone using it?
[11:58] <tete> ubunttu: How i am can download konversation cz
[12:00] <emilsedgh> ubunturos:why not?
[12:01] <ubunturos> emilsedgh: may be because, it becomes a window app, than an OS?
[12:01] <emilsedgh> ubunturos: people are using it.
[12:01] <emilsedgh> today for example on slashdot i read someone used it and was so happy
[12:04] <ubunturos> Amarilis: btw, which graphics card / motherboard?
[12:05] <Amarilis> ubunturos: i have gigabyte graphic card nvidia 6600GT
[12:06] <Amarilis> and a samsung syncmaster 959nf
[12:07] <ubunturos> Amarilis: hmm, looks like, the graphics driver module for that card was not loaded; but I'm not so sure
[12:07] <ActionParsni1> Amarilis: can we have a pastebin of your xorg.conf please
[12:07] <Amarilis> ubunturos: do you think that a kubuntu dvd will resolve the problem
[12:08] <_eMaX_> hi all
[12:08] <_eMaX_> anyone here uses Xephyr?
[12:08] <Amarilis> yes i'll paste the xorg.conf
[12:08] <ActionParsni1> Amarilis: ty
[12:08] <ubunturos> Amarilis: I'm not sure, if it will. Use Pastebin to paste your xorg.conf, ActionParsni1 might be able to answer your query
[12:09] <Amarilis> ok ubunturos
[12:10] <ubunturos> Amarilis: also, in meantime, you could look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=12374
[12:11] <ActionParsni1> Amarilis: !nvidia you may also want to check: | Amarilis
[12:11] <ActionParsni1> bah
[12:11] <ActionParsni1> !nvidia | Amarilis
[12:11] <ActionParsni1> Amarilis: ^ may be helpful
[12:11] <Amarilis> ok. thanks guys
[12:12] <ActionParsni1> they should make a pastebin service you can cat files into and it gives you a link
[12:12] <ActionParsni1> cat /etc/X11/xorg.con > /dev/paste
[12:12] <ActionParsni1> etc
[12:15] <ActionParsni1> Amarilis: you ok with pastebin?
[12:16] <ActionParsni1> !paste | Amarilis
[12:17] <Amarilis> ok.
[12:29] <Amarilis> i've put the xorg.conf on paste.ubuntu.com
[13:10] <dresnu> hello, I have installed kubuntu hardy in greek. Is there a way to get firefox in greek too? I mean the toolbar entries and menus that are in english right now. Thank you
[13:10] <darky> Hi
[13:11] <darky> try to look for firefox's greek support on adept
[13:11] <jussio1> !gr
[13:11] <jussio1> you could also ask there ^
[13:12] <dresnu> ok thank you I'll check that channel out
[13:15] <dresnu> anyway (kubuntu-gr is a little void, i'm alone :-), I had already tried searching in apt for "firefox greek) and the only package I get is mozilla-firefox-locale-el
[13:16] <kgx0> can telnet show server response headers?
[13:22] <Tomato> Hi
[13:22] <Tomato> I want to install Kubuntu on my pc
[13:23] <Miesco> If KDE 4.1 is released (alpha), does that mean that KDE 4.0 is stable?
[13:26] <Dr_willis> Miesco,  i dont think so.
[13:26] <Dr_willis> of course kde4 is very much a work in progress. Hopefully 4.1 added some much needed missing features
[13:27] <josue> hola a todos
[13:27] <josue> soy nuevo en esto
[13:27] <Dr_willis> Nocho Bell Grande!
[13:27] <Dr_willis> !es
[13:32] <shadowbox> what more can i do to play quicktime movies. I used to be able to play trailers for upcoming movies but now I need plug-ins
[13:34] <Pici> kubuntu-restricted-extras should include the packages you need to play QT stuffs
[13:35] <dresnu> quicktime and realmedia are a pain to play...
[13:35] <dresnu> only mplayer is able to open really everything
[13:35] <Dr_willis> thats why i tend to use mplayer :)
[13:35] <dresnu> but has such an ugly integration to kde...
[13:36] <Dr_willis> Never noticed dresnu  :) 'integeration' is such a buzz word that seems to tossed about so much. and mean so little.
[13:36] <shadowbox> I cant preview QT on apples site
[13:37] <dresnu> ok, but I prefer kaffeine as a player
[13:37] <dresnu> I like its features, but it doesn't work unfortunately with the mplayer engine (never understood why though)
[13:38] <shadowbox> hey wow, did I miss the release of 8.04? oh, or is that just Ubuntu?
[13:39] <dresnu> you probably missed it..
[13:39] <Jucato> shadowbox: you missed it
[13:39] <Faust-C> lol
[13:39] <dresnu> it's out there, go grab it!
[13:39] <shadowbox> ahh, man
[13:40] <shadowbox> anyone here using it?
[13:40] <jussio1> most of us...
[13:40] <shadowbox> lol, thanks
[13:42] <Dr_willis> Been under a rock for the last month? :)
[13:42] <shadowbox> lol, more like out of town
[13:42] <shadowbox> state actually
[13:43] <falloppio> Hello there!
[13:43] <shadowbox> I'm opening up a computer store that will (fingers crossed) be the largest in ECity , NC
[13:44] <dresnu> and you will sell linux preinstalled?
[13:44] <shadowbox> and the ONLY one that will be offering Linux only line of PC's (Kubuntu)
[13:44] <shadowbox> thats the plan, yes
[13:45] <dresnu> alright! :-D
[13:45] <dresnu> good luck then!
[13:45] <shadowbox> thanks
[13:46] <shadowbox> hey what do you think of the name?     Byte Me Computers
[13:46] <shadowbox> hehe, I thought it was catchy
[13:47] <shadowbox> we will be online in a day or two and growing daily
[13:47] <Pici> !ot
[13:48] <dresnu> others have had the same idea i guess: http://bytemeusa.com/store/index.php http://www.byteme.com.au/
[13:48] <dresnu> and that's you probably: http://mybytecomputers.com/
[13:48] <shadowbox> sorry, it all stemed from offering preinstalled linux pcs
[13:48] <shadowbox> actually no
[13:48] <shadowbox> lol
[13:48] <dresnu> hehe
[13:49] <Dr_willis> walmart has the $200 pc with linux :)
[13:49] <shadowbox> yeah hard to beat
[13:49] <shadowbox> but can do a $225
[13:50] <Dr_willis> Ive not seen one in a local walmart yet. -
[13:50] <dresnu> will you offer some kind of aftermarket service?
[13:50] <shadowbox> dont think you will
[13:50] <shadowbox> yes
[13:50] <dresnu> ok, then that's somewhere you can compete
[13:51] <shadowbox> as long as WM has had those$200 pc's (and selling out regularly) they are still timid on putting them in the stores.
[13:52] <shadowbox> Kubuntu PC's will actually be in the show room for demo
[13:53] <Dr_willis> with a big ICON on the middle of the desktop leading.. here! :)
[13:53] <shadowbox> and plans are to have one machine that will be a media pc w/ 32" HDTV for support (of course)   :o)
[13:53] <shadowbox> heck yeah
[13:55] <shadowbox> I might get with you guys on how to compile a complete package on one dvd for installation
[13:56] <shadowbox> I will also be giving away Kubuntu oo.o and other popular software on CD on demand
[13:56] <shadowbox> actually have a flyer in the window now
[13:58] <shadowbox> dresnu: www.bytemecomputers.net & www.bytemecomputersonline.com & www.bytemecomputersllc.com
[13:59] <polysilicon> I am finding it very difficult to enable vertical scrolling on my laptop touchpad. Does anybody know how to do it exactly? someone told me that i should define scrollable area on touchpad, how to do that?
[13:59] <chx> I tried to google without much success. Where can I read about the svn+ssh kioslave?
[13:59] <shadowbox> polysilicon: the right side of your finger pad close to the edge
[14:00] <canen> hello
[14:00] <polysilicon> shadowbox, yes but how to define the area?
[14:01] <shadowbox> oh, it should already be defined
[14:01] <canen> anyone familiar with the issue of the "kded [kdeinit] --new-startup" taking 100% of CPU on first start up?
[14:01] <canen> only seems to happen if kopete or kcheckgmail is set to startup on login
[14:03] <polysilicon> shadowbox, yes but when I try to scroll the pointer moves which means synaptics driver is not configured for vertical scrolling...
[14:03] <polysilicon> the area is not acting as scrollable
[14:03] <shadowbox> gotcha
[14:03] <shadowbox> polysilicon: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-485289.html
[14:04] <polysilicon> great! thanks
[14:04] <polysilicon> I hope it should work now
[14:04] <shadowbox> polysilicon: and here for info  http://lwn.net/Articles/255662/
[14:05] <shadowbox> your welcome
[14:05] <shadowbox> and good luck
[14:05] <hernan> good morning
[14:08] <blkhtbrigade>  I'm having trouble rebuilding a module.   I've got the module all ready to make, but when I run make it only outputs the .o and not the .ko.  modpost is showing but doesn't seem to want to convert to .ko =/   any ideas?
[14:09] <Dr_willis> check the kernel guide yet?
[14:09] <Dr_willis> !kernel
[14:09] <blkhtbrigade> Dr_willis: I will now =) thanks
[14:09] <Dr_willis> Id bet theres some little step you overlooked. :)
[14:09] <Dr_willis> but thats all i know on the topic. so good luck
[14:09] <blkhtbrigade> There usually is =)
[14:13] <canen> so no one familiar with the "kded [kdeinit] --new-startup" 100% CPU problem?
[14:15] <Dr_willis> Not heard of it canen
[14:15] <canen> ah
[14:15] <canen> annoying problem
[14:15] <Dr_willis> Im having other annying problems.. :)
[14:15] <canen> killing the process solves it but annoying anyway
[14:15] <canen> Dr_willis: ?
[14:16] <Dr_willis> DVD/cd burning has been goofed up on this machine since the beta testing began. :(
[14:17] <canen> oh, haven't done any of that in a while. I am not even sure it still works :)
[14:18] <Dr_willis> I cen burn ONE disk/dvd/cd - and then the cd/dvd just 'vanishes' from the system. :) like some deep kernel issue is going on.
[14:24] <javier_> hello
[14:25] <Dr_willis> !hi
[14:25] <Dr_willis> :)
[14:25] <Edulix> hi!
[14:26] <Edulix> anyone here with latest fglrx driver? can you tell me what version of the module fglrx is shown as the output of dmesg | grep fglrx please?
[14:26] <SlimeyPete> you mean latest as in the one that comes with hardy?
[14:26] <SlimeyPete> or the latest from ATI?
[14:26]  * SlimeyPete has the former
[14:26] <Edulix> from ati
[14:26] <SlimeyPete> ah, sorry.
[14:27] <Dr_willis> Sorry Not using those either.
[14:27] <Edulix> SlimeyPete: but if you have the latest from hardy please tell me which version it is
[14:27] <Edulix> mine says:
[14:27] <Edulix> [   28.923530] [fglrx] module loaded - fglrx 8.47.3 [Mar 29 2008] on minor 0
[14:27] <Dr_willis> Hardy finially  worked with the fglrx drivers on my laptop. :)
[14:27] <SlimeyPete> [   54.546743] [fglrx] module loaded - fglrx 8.37.6 [May 25 2007] on minor 0
[14:27] <Edulix> that's old!
[14:27] <Edulix> lol
[14:28] <SlimeyPete> yep
[14:28] <Edulix> I want 8.47.6 :P
[14:37] <tycale_> Yep §!§
[14:37] <tycale_> Need some help
[14:37] <tycale_> I've install emacs-snapshot
[14:37] <tycale_> Then, i want emacs -> emacs-snapshot
[14:38] <tycale_> And I've make a mistake
[14:38] <tycale_> rm /usr/bin/emacs
[14:39] <tycale_> Who whas a symbolic links -> emacs -> /etc/alternatives/emacs
[14:39] <tycale_> then, I've tried update-alternatives --config emacs
[14:39] <tycale_> and choose the emacs-snapshot
[14:39] <tycale_> but it doesn't work
[14:40] <tycale_> tycale@tycale-desktop:~$ emacs
[14:40] <tycale_> bash: /usr/bin/emacs: Permission non accordée
[14:40] <Dr_willis> You could just remove emacs-snapshot, and reinstall it.
[14:40] <tycale_> emacs-snapshot works
[14:40] <tycale_> hum
[14:40] <tycale_> I've to remove emacs, no?
[14:43] <Dr_willis> No idea.
[14:43] <Dr_willis> remove/reinstall whatever you might of messed up..  and see if it works
[14:43] <Dr_willis> and quit messing about in /usr/bin :P
[14:43] <tycale_> M'kay
[14:43] <Dr_willis> I use vi :) heh .
[14:44] <tycale_> I was a vim user
[14:44] <Dr_willis> about once a month i reread some of my vi docs. and learn a new vi feature/or gain some skill in using the standard features..
[14:44] <kblin> hi folks
[14:44] <Dr_willis> I do use 'fte' a lot for some editing
[14:45] <tycale_> ok
[14:46] <tycale_> It works
[14:46] <tycale_> good
[14:46] <tycale_> With a wrong way, but it's okay :-'
[14:47] <kblin> is there an easier way to get a single proposed upgrade deb than enabling the -proposed repo via adept?
[14:47] <joseph> kubuntu rules
[14:47] <joseph> !upgrade
[14:47] <joseph> is it worth it for me to upgrade from gutsy to hardy?
[14:50] <joseph> !hardy
[14:50] <joseph> !torrents
[14:53] <stephen> salut
[14:54] <Dr_willis> saute!
[14:55]  * stephen saute même s'il ne sait pas pourquoi
[14:55] <Dr_willis> !fr
[14:55] <stephen> 'k
[14:56] <joseph> anyone upgraded from gutsy to hardy?
[14:56] <kblin> yup
[14:56] <nicolas> yep
[14:56] <kblin> worked nice
[14:56] <joseph> any issues in upgrading?
[14:56] <joseph> like, did you have any problems?
[14:57] <kblin> it removed a couple of packages I was using, especially -dev packages
[14:57] <kblin> nothing an aptitude install couldn't fix
[14:57] <nicolas> I made it from alternate dvd and got no problem once I found the way to laucnh the upgrade
[14:57] <joseph> do you notice any better functionality?
[14:57] <joseph> any performance difference?
[14:58] <Dr_willis> I perfer to Update Not upgrade. :)
[14:58] <joseph> Dr_willis: can you elaborate on that?
[14:58] <Dr_willis> From what i gather in the irc rooms. Many upgraders have had issues with.. wireless, video, sound, and..  a few other bits
[14:58] <joseph> ok
[14:58] <nicolas> some problem here with Wifi right
[14:58] <Dr_willis> I mean i tend to do Clean reinstalls.. :) heh.
[14:58] <kblin> joseph: dunno, I mostly upgraded to get KVM support and virt-manager working
[14:59] <joseph> Dr_willis: yeah, see that's why i'm dragging my feet on upgrading.  if it ain't broke, why fix it?
[14:59] <joseph> kblin: virt-manager?
[14:59] <nicolas> but these issues are usual issues coming with the few days after upgrade no?
[14:59] <joseph> !virt-manager
[14:59] <kblin> joseph: a python GUI for managing qemu and Xen virtual machines
[14:59] <joseph> ah
[15:00] <joseph> why not use VirtualBox?
[15:01] <pippoZ> hi all
[15:01] <kblin> joseph: because networking in virtualbox sucks
[15:01] <nicolas> hi
[15:01] <joseph> kblin: ok, that's a good reason.  and vm-manager doesn't work in gutsy?
[15:02] <kblin> joseph: it's not even installable, some of the deps don't exist
[15:02] <joseph> kblin: k
[15:02] <kblin> so even building it manually is a bit of a pain
[15:02] <joseph> kblin: what platform do you usually launch from vm-manager? windows?
[15:03] <kblin> yeah. and a couple of linux test boxes
[15:03] <potty> is kde more lighta den ubuntu?
[15:04] <joseph> potty: it's a matter of personal preference, actually.
[15:05] <Dr_willis> potty,  about the same - if you want LIGHT - go with xfce, or some minimal window manager.
[15:05] <potty> I was juz wondering as gnome gets more heavy every release
[15:07] <Dr_willis> and its Still missing   soooo many features...
[15:07] <Dr_willis> make ya wonder where its growing at.
[15:07] <kblin> well, I haven't tried KDE 4 yet, but I'd be surprised if that got any lighter
[15:07] <Dr_willis> kde4 is a total new animal. :) so its hard to tell.
[15:08] <Dr_willis> Lightness of a desktop is not that huge a demand these days.. theres plenty of alternatives if you want light i guess.
[15:08] <potty> it is for vista =)
[15:09] <kblin> xubuntu is really nice for that. I run it in a couple of VMs where I want to have a GUI
[15:09] <potty> vista drained 600MB just idleing
[15:14] <polysilicon> I cannot find ksynaptics package. Where is it?
[15:14] <polysilicon> sudo apt-cache search ksynaptics > no result
[15:17] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[15:19] <kblin> polysilicon: there's a ksynaptic package?
[15:19] <kblin> polysilicon: what's wrong with adept?
[15:20] <Conficio> Is there any kdm expert around? I have Kubuntu 7.04/kde 3.5.8 and want to enable xdmcp, however, it does not work and the most likely culprit is kdm listening on udp6 instead of udp. How can I change that?
[15:23] <potty> I have an dapper install want to upgrade to fiesty will i have to upgrade to edgy then fiesty?
[15:24] <Dr_willis> LTS upgrades are supported
[15:24] <kkathman> potty  you might think about backing up critical things and do a fresh install of hardy
[15:31] <polysilicon> kblin, I couldn't find any. I got a deb file from gutsy packages
[15:31] <polysilicon> its working
[15:44] <navetz> can someone please help me, knetwork manager is not detecting any devices
[15:44] <navetz> but it does at home
[15:49] <LeeJunFan> navetz: have you rebooted?
[15:49] <polysilicon> I cannot get ksynaptics to control my touchpad, changes do not take effect. I have added Option SHMConfig "on" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[15:49] <lascar> what command displays Linux kernel info?
[15:49] <Quetzlcoatl> uname -a
[15:49] <LeeJunFan> navetz: and if you're plugged in it probably won't detect if the cable isn't working right.
[15:49] <lascar> quetzlcoatl: ty
[15:51] <ramribeiro_> i installed kubuntu on toshiba Qosmio with great success, where can i report it?
[15:53] <navetz> LeeJunFan: hey, yes I have rebooted
[15:54] <navetz> LeeJunFan: also the cable is being used right now on a networking printer and it is working
[15:54] <SeicherlBoB> I have a problem with a problem with an application. After starting the app. it reduces itself down to the controllbar, but there is no icon, only a blank space. So i can't click it to "open" the application. Is there a way to access items from the controllbar without clicking them?
[15:55] <BonesolTeraDyne> Everyone, there's been a change in the UbuntuOpenWeek lineup. Ask Mark will be starting in about 5 minutes. Join #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat if you want to join.
[15:56] <BonesolTeraDyne> This is being posted here by request of jcastro
[15:57] <ramribeiro_> i have one Toshiba qosmio, and i didn't get extra keyboard ...some examples are Fn+F5...and i have tried Keytouch tools...
[15:58] <ramribeiro_> someone can help me?
[16:08] <MetaMorfoziS> hi all
[16:09] <leftbas> hi
[16:09] <MetaMorfoziS> how can i get libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 ?
[16:09] <MetaMorfoziS> i get error "error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" from a program
[16:09] <leftbas> add it from adept
[16:09] <hydrogen> no.
[16:09] <MetaMorfoziS> but no package that contains this file
[16:09] <leftbas> just launch it, and type the library name in the filter
[16:09] <hydrogen> You need to recompile the program
[16:09] <hydrogen> against a modern version of gcc
[16:10] <hydrogen> I assume you updated from an older version of kubuntu?
[16:10] <MetaMorfoziS> no
[16:10] <leftbas> right click and request an install
[16:10] <MetaMorfoziS> and any other way
[16:10] <hydrogen> or downloaded the binary off the internet?
[16:10] <hydrogen> leftbas: No. No. No.
[16:10] <MetaMorfoziS> yes
[16:10] <leftbas> hydrogen: why not? he didn't say he already had a version of it
[16:10] <hydrogen> then you need to find a binary designed to work for kubuntu hardy
[16:11] <SlimeyPete> he's definitely already got a version
[16:11] <leftbas> oh...sorry then
[16:11] <SlimeyPete> it's critical to the operation of much of k/ubuntu
[16:11] <SlimeyPete> but you weren't to know :)
[16:11] <hydrogen> SlimeyPete: a version _incompatible_ with the version the program was compiled against
[16:11] <SlimeyPete> hydrogen: yes
[16:11] <SlimeyPete> indeed.
[16:11] <SlimeyPete> I was answering leftbas :)
[16:11] <hydrogen> and he has a version of libstdc++, not a version of libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3
[16:12] <MetaMorfoziS> i can't recompile it and i can't get other version
[16:12] <MetaMorfoziS> so i need that libstdc something
[16:12] <hydrogen> then you can't use that program
[16:12] <MetaMorfoziS> if it's possible
[16:12] <MetaMorfoziS> :(
[16:13] <leftbas> what are you trying to run that doesn't like the version you already have?
[16:15] <combo> hi, i have problem with internet. how to confgure network on kub-8.10 ? in windows it's simple cuz automatically but in linux, doesn't :/
[16:16] <leftbas> combo: how are you connecting? ethernet or wifi?
[16:16] <combo> leftbas: ethernet
[16:16] <combo> i have only a cable and that's all
[16:16] <leftbas> combo: was it connected when you installed 8.04?
[16:16] <combo> leftbas: after winXP installation internet works
[16:16] <leftbas> combo: is it a dual boot?
[16:17] <[nix]> you guys know what file manager is shown in this shot? http://fc06.deviantart.com/fs30/f/2008/113/b/f/Sehenn_SShot_by_VisionsofArt.png
[16:17] <combo> leftbas: never tried that on 8.04.
[16:18] <combo> leftbas: when choosing DHCP it says "uknown host"
[16:18] <leftbas> combo: so you only have kubuntu on the machine you're talking about?
[16:19] <combo> leftbas: yes - this is my friend's notebook in his house. i'm trying to connect that notebook with kub-8.10
[16:19] <leftbas> combo: are you connecting to a router, or straight to the modem?
[16:19] <combo> leftbas: i have kub 8.04 in my house (i have router) and evertyhing works fine. but can't configure his internet
[16:20] <combo> cable comes from a nest
[16:20] <combo> leftbas: no modem or router just a provider nest :]
[16:20] <leftbas> a nest? community service, like in an apartment building?
[16:22] <combo> leftbas: yeah :)
[16:22] <combo> leftbas: the place where are comming from cables from phone etc.:)
[16:22] <combo> leftbas: i mean socket :P
[16:23] <leftbas> combo: then i recommend talking to whomever supports that LAN
[16:23] <leftbas> combo: there's some piece of info you might not have gotten
[16:23] <leftbas> combo: like the dns servers or something
[16:24] <combo> leftbas: ok then :)
[16:24] <combo> leftbas: thanks for help :)
[16:24] <combo> leftbas: will contact with that Internet provider :)
[16:24] <leftbas> no problem
[16:24] <combo> see ya
[16:25] <leftbas> [nix]: sorry, never seen that desktop style before
[16:27] <Riddell> ask mark in #ubuntu-classroom
[16:36] <hume> hi... in the new KDE4 - is there a way to create a subpanel, or extra panel, where I can have program icons (like in KDE 3.5)?
[16:48] <bipolar> is anyone else having a problem with strigidaemon crashing when indexing?
[16:48] <bipolar> strigidaemon: /build/buildd/strigi-0.5.7/src/streams/subinputstream.cpp:30: Strigi::SubInputStream::SubInputStream(Strigi::InputStream*, int64_t): Assertion `length >= -1' failed.
[16:49] <nosrednaekim> hume: no, not until 4.1
[16:52] <Shakaan> xyzzy?
[16:52] <Pennycook> hume: You can add program icons to the taskbar, if that's useful.
[16:53] <Shakaan> hello world
[16:53] <Shakaan> i use IRC for the first time
[16:53] <SlimeyPete> it is dark
[16:53] <nosrednaekim> hello Shakaan
[16:53] <SlimeyPete> you are likely to be eaten by a grue
[16:53] <SlimeyPete> your sword is glowing faintly
[16:53] <Shakaan> hello nosrednaekim
[16:54] <nosrednaekim> lol @ SlimeyPete
[16:58] <Shakaan> is there some French here?
[16:58] <SlimeyPete> !french
[17:00] <Shakaan> ok ubottu
[17:05] <jose> fdfd
[17:06] <jose> Que es esto
[17:06] <jose> ????
[17:06] <stdin> !es
[17:12] <Kr|ptiX> can someone help  me fix my sound i just recently updated to 8.04 an now my  sound doesnt work
[17:17] <Kr|ptiX> right now my soundcard is intel how do i switch it to oss or alsa
[17:20] <ramribeiro> i have installed kubuntu 7.10 on my toshiba Qosmio, but the extra keysboard didnt works....example  Fn+F5... somebody help-me?
[17:20] <mohi> hi :)
[17:22] <moonnight> try change the language of the keyboard
[17:22] <mohi> I upgraded to hardy and now when I type sudo in the begining of the command, it says: sudo: unable to resolve host ...
[17:23] <ramribeiro> moonnight, my keyboard is english US. my kde is too.
[17:23] <mohi> ramribeiro: this promlem is know solved for me in hardy! just upgrade
[17:23] <coggz> can anyone assist me with rsync
[17:24] <mohi> problem*
[17:24] <ramribeiro> mohi: ok, i'll try.very good. and about Debian, it's works?
[17:24] <mohi> I haven't tried yet
[17:25] <monkeybritches> mohi: What command are you trying to run with sudo?
[17:26] <mohi> monkeybritches: sudo apt-cdrom add, everything
[17:27] <doctorwhite> where can i find the release notes for hardy 4 kubuntu 8.0.4?
[17:28] <monkeybritches> mohi: Did you try it without the ', everything'?
[17:28] <mohi> monkeybritches: I meant every command ;)
[17:28] <coggz> anyone able to help me set up rsync?
[17:28] <monkeybritches> !hardy | doctorwhite
[17:28] <monkeybritches> There should be a link thereabouts
[17:29] <mohi> !hostname
[17:29] <doctorwhite> i dont see the release notes.  i just want to see the what pkgs are included.
[17:30] <monkeybritches> mohi: And you have apt-cdrom installed? I can see how if you didn't it would try to get it remotely and might give you that message, but I would think it should be there by default.
[17:30] <mohi> what does "should the hosts and hostname be equal" mean?
[17:31] <mohi> monkeybritches: yes. I can run them without sudo
[17:31] <monkeybritches> There needs to be an entry in hosts for whatever your hostname is
[17:32] <monkeybritches> It appears they have forgotten to hadd 8.04 release notes...
[17:33] <mohi> :( yes..
[17:33] <monkeybritches> I want my monkey back ;)
[17:34] <doctorwhite> does the kubuntu 8.0.4 dvd version include mysql, php etc?
[17:34] <mohi> :D
[17:34] <mohi> yes! me2!
[17:34] <mohi> monkeybritches: ^
[17:35] <coggz> any ideas with rsync????
[17:35] <monkeybritches> I would assume so, given the size it should be complete.
[17:36] <bazhang> coggz: what is your issue with rsync?
[17:37] <coggz> ok, i want to set up a backup on a pc, and have 2 laptos sync all documents with the server, and so there will be identical documents on Laptop 1+2, and a backup on PC
[17:39] <coggz> do you understand that?
[17:39] <bazhang> this is gutsy or hardy coggz
[17:40] <coggz> laptops are gutsy and desktop is hardy
[17:41] <Ardarandir_> ina: huhu
[17:41] <Ardarandir_> Ich bins ;)
[17:41] <ina> ahh
[17:44] <bazhang> coggz: here are two links worth a look: one is general (includes rsync) while the other deals with sbackup https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem http://www.debianadmin.com/backup-and-restore-your-ubuntu-system-using-sbackup.html
[17:45] <adrien> bonjour
[17:45] <dam> I'm having problems with firefox con someone help ?
[17:47] <dam> bonjour
[17:47] <ramribeiro> i have one problem with my intel gm965/x3100 when runs opengl...! the screen shutdown, but the notebook don't freeze.
[17:48] <mohi> monkeybritches: I'm in recovery mode! how may I set the correct host name?
[17:48] <ramribeiro> there are some problem with opengl on intel graphics?
[17:55] <Datz> How long does Kubuntu usually take to start up?
[17:55] <panda> ??
[17:56] <Datz> because mine is stuck at "Running local boot scripts 9/etc/rc.local)
[17:56] <Datz> 9 = (
[17:56] <kathleen> hello
[17:57] <Datz> I think last time it was improperly shut down
[17:57] <ramribeiro> hathleen: ola
[17:57] <kathleen> I hope some of you can help me with my wlan problem
[17:58] <ramribeiro> kathleen: what's happen with our wlan?
[17:58] <kathleen> it stoped working after upgrading from Kubuntu 7.10 to 8.04
[17:58] <kathleen> everithing seems to be fine
[17:58] <kathleen> at least as far as I can tell
[17:59] <ramribeiro> kathleen: which is your card?
[17:59] <kathleen> I use a linksys WPC54G ver. 3
[18:00] <panda> hola
[18:00] <panda> algien que hable español
[18:00] <jeffm_> Hi, all.
[18:00] <Datz> hello
[18:00] <Datz> Does anyone think they could help me with my problem?
[18:01] <ramribeiro> kathleen: looks in kubuntu site for suport this card.
[18:01] <kathleen> ramribeiro: it did work before and Kubuntu did offer new driver
[18:01] <jeffm_> I've just upgraded my system to 8.04, the KDE 3 version.  When i enable the desktop effects from the K menu, however, I see no change in effects or window behavior at all.  Are these effects only for KDE 4 (and if so, why are they in my menu), or am I missing something else entirely?
[18:02] <kathleen> butnow only the LAN connection is working
[18:02] <haygus> bonjour, comment on peut regarder les espace libre de son disque dur ?
[18:02] <haygus> je vien de reinstaller kubuntu et il me sort disque plein
[18:02] <jeffm_> It should be noted that I'm running without 3-D acceleration if that makes a difference.
[18:03] <kathleen> ramribeiro: all the setting seems to fine and the card is marked as active
[18:03] <Datz> Kubuntu  is stuck loading at "Running local boot scripts (/etc/rc.local) under starting K Display Manager: kdm
[18:03] <kathleen> ramribeiro: IPsettings, Router, WEB key all seems to ebe fine
[18:03] <ramribeiro> kathleen, i never got the new release of OS, always i wait for the next release...like kubuntu 7.04, i wait for the 7.10
[18:04] <kathleen> ramribeiro: but 7.10 is already out for some time now
[18:05] <kathleen> and 8.04 is the new final release
[18:05] <ramribeiro> kathleen, u don't see the wirelles conects or don't achieve the conect?
[18:05] <monkeybritches> Datz: Try booting up in recovery mode
[18:06] <monkeybritches> and choose the option to fix the X-terminal
[18:06] <ramribeiro> kathleen, i now it, boot i think that have many boog. let me search for your card on google...just a minute
[18:06] <kathleen> ramribeiro: I don't understand. What conects
[18:08] <ramribeiro> kathleen,
[18:08] <ramribeiro> kathleen, look it http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5645
[18:09] <kathleen> ramribeiro:thanks give me a minute
[18:09] <ramribeiro> kathleen, so sorry...i now somethings about linux, but my english is poor
[18:10] <ramribeiro> kathleen, now* know
[18:11] <ramribeiro> kathleen, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=186538
[18:11] <sloth> will wlan work for wireless or do I need to get my comp to use eth1?
[18:12] <bleaked> so for years i've been using the kicker media applet to eject my external hard drives, ipod, camera, etc.. with no trouble.. however, ever since i installed hardy, i cannot seem to eject (safely remove) *anything* without numerous eject or fstab errors.  this is on a clean hardy install.
[18:20]  * CubaCola is away: Parti pour l'instant.
[18:20] <sloth> bleaked have you tried right clicking the external drives and using the unmount option? that has been working for me
[18:21] <tgreer> hi
[18:23] <wesley> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9243/ i get fatal error in planeshift does someone know why ?
[18:23] <Datz> monkeybritches, thanks I'll try recover mode
[18:25] <Datz> monkeybritches, how do I choose recovery mode?
[18:25] <sloth> datz when grub first starts press esc then scroll down to recovery mode and press enter
[18:25] <CoCaInE> Datz: when grub is working while runnin pc u press Esc, and u can choose there
[18:26] <sylla> hi
[18:27] <sloth> how do i change the grub splash image?
[18:27] <Malic> hi! does anyone know if envyng supports the new ati driver (8.4) ?
[18:27] <sloth> malic it works for me :)
[18:28] <Odd-rationale> !usplash
[18:29] <Malic> sloth: any improvements compared with 8.3?
[18:29] <sloth> ty
[18:29] <Datz> Ok, thx guys I will try it
[18:30] <sloth> malic: only thing better ive noticed is that with compiz turned on running full effects, my graphics dont crash anymore
[18:30] <Malic> sloth: ok thx.. i will try the new one
[18:36] <mattik> Hello, How could I take a part KUbuntu meeting. Do I need jabber or irc-client or something else?
[18:37] <monkeybritches> Do you mean a net-meeting?
[18:37] <mattik> yes
[18:40] <Arkard> Hi people
[18:40] <bleaked> sloth: sorry for the late response, was distracted.. well isn't it necessary to 'safely remove' external devices to maintain data integrity?  i really don't know much about the mounting process versus the eject process, but if the option exists, it seems necessary.. that said, mounting/unmounting works just fine, it's the 'safely remove' / eject feature that causes the errors.
[18:40] <monkeybritches> You could use a VNC connection
[18:40] <Arkard> i have a problem with my Microphone, no one can hear me
[18:40] <monkeybritches> I'm still looking to see what the equivalent for Netmeeting would be...
[18:40] <monkeybritches> Anyone, feel free to chime in if you know the answer :)
[18:41] <monkeybritches> Sorry Arkard, you'll have to speak up. I can't hear you. ;)
[18:41] <Arkard> XD
[18:41] <Arkard> in my alsa the MIC BOOST is Disabled
[18:42] <monkeybritches> That could be a problem right there.
[18:42] <aLeSD> hi all
[18:42] <TimS> Anyone here have a core 2 proccessor and nVidia 7300 series graphics card?
[18:42] <Arkard> but how can i enable it?
[18:42] <aLeSD> I just installed kubuntu with the kde4 environment
[18:43] <aLeSD> It's my first time in kde
[18:43] <aLeSD> and I have some troubles
[18:43] <Faust-C> aLeSD, wtg kde4 isnt really ready
[18:43] <aLeSD> how can I active compiz ?
[18:43] <aLeSD> :D
[18:43] <aLeSD> well it's nice
[18:43] <Arkard> aLeSD: need to install compiz kde
[18:43] <aLeSD> I will move to kde only for the qt4
[18:44] <monkeybritches> mattik: Check out this URL - http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html
[18:44] <monkeybritches> There are some alternatives to Netmeeting. I haven't tried any of them but they link to each application.
[18:44] <aLeSD> Arkardok
[18:45] <monkeybritches> aLeSD: You have Compiz installed, right?
[18:45] <aLeSD> yes
[18:45] <monkeybritches> Oops, didn't see that :)
[18:45] <aLeSD> the konsole works very strange
[18:45] <monkeybritches> Under System > Desktop Effects you can select a setting
[18:45] <Arkard> monkeybritches, what about my microphone?
[18:45] <aLeSD> I mean it's buggy
[18:45] <monkeybritches> Arkard: Did you enable mic boost?
[18:45] <Arkard> how can i activate the mic boost?
[18:46] <monkeybritches> I should have asked a more pointed question. :)
[18:46] <monkeybritches> I thought it was a checkbox
[18:46] <kblin> it's in kmix
[18:46] <kblin> in the "switches" tab
[18:46] <Arkard> i cannot monkeybritches, i cannot turn up the volume of the MIC BOOST
[18:47] <monkeybritches> Hit Alt-F2 and type 'kmix'
[18:47] <aLeSD> and now how can I active compiz ?
[18:47] <aLeSD> wow kde is faster than gnome
[18:47] <aLeSD> a lot faster
[18:47] <Arkard> ready
[18:47] <monkeybritches> aLeSD: Did you go to System > Desktop Effects ?
[18:47] <Arkard> aLeSD: alt-f2 compiz --replace
[18:47] <monkeybritches> IMO, KDE4 isn't ready yet, and I'm going to stick with 3.5
[18:48] <aLeSD> monkeybritches  I haven't that entry in my menu
[18:48] <mattik> monkeybritches: Thank you :) I just liked to know and now I know can use irssi
[18:48] <aLeSD> Arkard I'd like something that will active it permanently
[18:48] <monkeybritches> Glad to be of help. :)
[18:49] <Arkard> do that once and is enabled all the time
[18:49] <aLeSD> irssi rules
[18:49] <Datz> monkeybritches, thanks it worked
[18:50] <monkeybritches> Great to hear it. :)
[18:50] <aLeSD> :º
[18:53] <Arkard> Totally work with Kmix, Thanks to all
[18:53] <DexterF> hi
[18:54] <DexterF> anyone know of the 8.04 live cd will try to auto-assemble software raids from 0xFD partitions?
[18:55] <LimCore> brand new system, brand new errors
[18:55] <LimCore> is it just me, or is Xgl crashing like crazy
[18:55] <LimCore> like in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xgl/+bug/225338
[18:57] <aLeSD> so kde4 has already 3d effects ?
[18:58] <LimCore> aLeSD: it worked a bit with kde, but then stoped working
[18:58] <LimCore> Im using the default kde, 3
[18:58] <Datz> Hi, with Ubuntu I can open a directory with command "nautilus (some dir)"  what can I use for Kubuntu?
[18:59] <trappist> Datz: try file:///path/to/dir
[18:59] <Datz> ok, I'l try thatnks
[18:59] <trappist> Datz: I just tried, it works :)
[19:01] <cheese_> I am wondering if Kubuntu8.04 fixed edition has been released.
[19:01] <Datz>  trappist:, that is to open a fie, but not a directory?
[19:01] <Datz> or I just specify a file in the dir?
[19:02] <aLeSD> mmm +
[19:03] <aLeSD> I noticed a strange stuff : I installed some programs but I haven't the entries in the menu ?
[19:03] <Datz>  trappist, I am having no luck
[19:03] <combo> can someone give me the name of docker so i can have icons dock same way like in MacOSX ? (i use Kub-7.10)
[19:03] <aLeSD> I mean programs like firefox amarok
[19:03] <aLeSD> do u know why ?
[19:03] <Datz>  trappist, something like this : "file:///home/datz/Music"  does not work for me
[19:03] <trappist> Datz: that's to open a directory
[19:04] <combo> does anybody know where KDE4 will be available? :))
[19:04] <trappist> Datz: are you doing this on the command line, or in the address bar, or what?
[19:04] <combo> **when
[19:04] <cheese_> To combo:maybe avant winddow navigator
[19:04] <Datz> command line
[19:04] <trappist> combo: kde4 is available
[19:04] <combo> cheese_: thx :)
[19:04] <Datz>  trappist, I see
[19:04] <trappist> Datz: I just did konqueror file:///home/trappist/Documents and it worked fine
[19:04] <combo> trappist: upss... it looks i still use KDE 3.5.8 in kub-7.10 :/
[19:05] <trappist> combo: that's the default.  there's a kubuntu "remix" I think they called it that ships with kde4, and I think you can install the packages from the kubuntu.org repository
[19:06] <combo> trappist: is this worth of that? i mean is KDE4 much better than KDE 3.x.x ? :D
[19:06] <Datz>  trappist, I want to open a directory, but not in the browser, so I can change some things
[19:06] <Datz> thanks, though
[19:07] <LimCore> why KUbuntu shiped XGL that have like 20 crash reports? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xgl/+bugs
[19:07] <trappist> combo: last time I tried it (early beta) I couldn't deal with it.  I'm sure it's much better now - there are a lot of inherent improvements, now it's just a matter of filling in functionality holes
[19:07] <LimCore> can I upgrade to other version of xgl?
[19:07] <trappist> Datz: not in the browser?  just cd to it... or am I still misunderstanding you
[19:07] <combo> trappist: can i install KDE4 with Adept Manager? :)
[19:07] <Datz>  trappist, ah, ok I will cd it then
[19:08] <trappist> combo: I would imagine if you have the appropriate repositories enabled, yes
[19:08] <lupinderwolf> what's about?
[19:09] <combo> trappist: ok then, thanks for info :)
[19:09] <trappist> LimCore: almost all packages have bugs.  some of them have lots and lots of bugs.  for most of us, they work just fine though.
[19:10] <Datz> trappist, basically I want to open a hidden dir to have a  folder view
[19:10] <LimCore> trappist: xgl crashes each few hours, for me and around 20 people that bothered to send bug report.
[19:10] <Datz> with Ubuntu I could give the command eg "nautilus .wine" and it would open in folder view
[19:10] <trappist> Datz: not sure I understand.
[19:10] <trappist> LimCore: nvidia drivers?
[19:11] <LimCore> trappist: yes
[19:11] <trappist> yeah I've heard about that one
[19:12] <LimCore> this reminds me of a ##C++'s joke
[19:12] <Datz> trappist,  in order to work in a directoy other than in command line
[19:12]  * LimCore <nolyc> It compiles?! SHIP IT!!
[19:12] <LimCore> ok I disabled XGL. But, can I install easly other verstion to try to compare?
[19:12] <Datz> trappist, guess I will try "sudo apt-get install nautilus"  :)
[19:13] <Greenery> Datz: use konqueror
[19:14] <Datz>  Greenery, ah that may be what I am looking for
[19:14] <Datz> whoohoo, it is
[19:14] <Datz> thanks guys
[19:15] <Datz> I figured it would be something like that
[19:15] <trappist> Datz: I said konqueror!
[19:15] <Datz> oops, must have missed it...sorry
[19:15] <trappist> :)
[19:15] <Datz> I had already tried "knautilus"  lol
[19:15] <smeril> my sound dossent work and i cant acces the volume control
[19:16] <chisiyuan> smeril:i have the same problem days ago
[19:17] <smeril> how did you fix it?
[19:17] <Greenery> what kind of sound issue? I have sound issue at the moment also
[19:17] <Greenery> my sound is playing intermittently, it comes and go
[19:18] <chisiyuan> smeril:well.....i just reinstall the whole system....sorry , i am a rookie
[19:19] <smeril> ok but thanks
[19:19] <smeril> anybody else who have a clue?
[19:20] <chisiyuan> it is said alsa should be update
[19:20] <trappist> !sound
[19:21] <monkeybritches> Also run Kmix to see if the channels are enabled
[19:23] <Muzer_real> Hi, I'm fine with KDE4 except for one thing: The version of Ark is crap. What would be the best way to make a) KDE4 Dolphin use KDE3 Ark and b) KDE3 Ark use KDE4 Dolphin. Currently the KDE4 Dolphin uses the KDE4 Ark and KDE3 Ark uses KDE3 Dolphin. Please note I already have the KDE3 Ark installed and it shows up in the K menu. I have a pretty good idea how to get KDE4 Dolphin to use KDE3 Ark, but not KDE3 Ark using KDE4 Dolphin.
[19:23] <Muzer_real> Oh yeah, and also, when in Dolphin, after opening a file successfully and after closing it, it always says (for example) "KDEInit could not launch '/usr/lib/kde4/bin/kate'."
[19:25] <Muzer_real> Hello?
[19:25] <Muzer_real> Anyone therE>
[19:25] <chisiyuan> Yeah
[19:25] <Muzer_real> Did you see my big questions?
[19:26] <chisiyuan> Ya,i see it, but withou kde4 experience, i don't know what to do with it.
[19:26] <jhutchins_wk> Muzer_real: Did you have a question, or are you merely pointing out the obvious fact that KDE4 is a test platform for applications being ported?
[19:26] <vbhide> could anyone please show e how to use telnet? i'm regularly getting the error "could not resolve..."
[19:26] <jhutchins_wk> vbhide: Dead simple, telnet <host>.
 Hi, I'm fine with KDE4 except for one thing: The version of Ark is crap. What would be the best way to make a) KDE4 Dolphin use KDE3 Ark and b) KDE3 Ark use KDE4 Dolphin. Currently the KDE4 Dolphin uses the KDE4 Ark and KDE3 Ark uses KDE3 Dolphin. Please note I already have the KDE3 Ark installed and it shows up in the K menu. I have a pretty good idea how to get KDE4 Dolphin to use KDE3 Ark, but not KDE3 Ark using KDE4 Dolph
[19:26] <vbhide> i tried atleast 10 hosts
[19:27] <Muzer_real> That one
[19:27] <jhutchins_wk> vbhide: If you can't resolve the host, that's a different problem.  Your DNS isn't working or you have a bad hostname.
[19:27] <jhutchins_wk> !repeat
[19:27] <vbhide> thanks jhutchins
[19:27] <Muzer_real> I was telling you which was my question that I meant
[19:27] <vbhide> but then how can i acess the net?
[19:27] <jhutchins_wk> Muzer_real: That's not a question, it's just a complaint.
[19:28] <chisiyuan> yeah,perhaps kde4 is not stable enough now
[19:29] <Aison> hello, im using firefox and thunderbird under kubuntu. When I klick on a link inside an email, no browser opens. I would like that firefox opens the URL
[19:29] <jhutchins_wk> chisiyuan: Well, this isn't a stability issue - instability means it sometimes works one way, sometimes another.  This is a matter of most applications haven't been ported to qt4 yet.
[19:30] <Aison> what's wrong here?
[19:31] <jhutchins_wk> Aison: You probably need to either set the browser in Thunderbird's preferences, or set it in the KDE Components sections of kdesu kcontrol.
[19:31] <chisiyuan> jhutchns_wk:yeah,i will use my kde3.5.8 until kde4 is satisfatory
[19:31] <Muzer_real> Did anyone give an answer? My wifi keeps needing resetting for some stupid reason
[19:31] <stdin> jhutchins_wk: kdesu would set it for root
[19:31] <Muzer_real> I need to go with a better WiFi client
[19:31] <stdin> Aison: System Settings -> Default Applications
[19:31] <Aison> thx
[19:32] <jhutchins_wk> Muzer_real: You didn't ask a question.
[19:32] <Muzer_real> Notice the second (or third?) sentance, What would be the best way to...
[19:32] <Muzer_real> That sounds like a question to me.
[19:33] <smeril> how can i reinstall my soundcard?
[19:33] <jhutchins_wk> Muzer_real: I don't see any question in your posts that have reached here, but since you apparantly missed it:  KDE4 is far from finished yet.  Don't expect it to be a full working environment.
[19:34] <Muzer_real> What would be the best way to make a) KDE4 Dolphin use KDE3 Ark and b) KDE3 Ark use KDE4 Dolphin.
[19:34] <Muzer_real> That is my question
[19:34] <jhutchins_wk> smeril: Remove the screws holding the cover on the case...
[19:34] <Muzer_real> I extracted it from the big post
[19:34] <DarkriftX> the guy IS asking a question
[19:35] <jhutchins_wk> Muzer_real: If it's possible you're going to have to ask in #kde or somewhere.  As far as we know, KDE4 just doesn't completely work so far.
[19:35] <DarkriftX> he knows it doesnt work and he is looking for a workaround
[19:35] <Muzer_real> I assume that's on the same server?
[19:35] <jhutchins_wk> DarkriftX: How 'bout that.  So he is.
[19:35] <DarkriftX> yes Muzer_real
[19:35] <DarkriftX> also i think there is a #kde4 you might try
[19:35] <jhutchins_wk> Muzer_real: I would assume it would be a mime type file association.
[19:36] <DarkriftX> mime sounds liek it owuld fix the first problem
[19:36] <jhutchins_wk> Ah, yes, if there's a kde4 definitely take it there, you'll only annoy people in #kde.
[19:36] <Muzer> OK
[19:36] <DarkriftX> but the second sounds harder
[19:36] <Muzer> I'll check
[19:36] <DarkriftX> and beyond my scope :S
[19:36] <jhutchins_wk> Muzer: One way to set mime associations is to right-click a local file, choose Open With, and check the box to remember the choice.
[19:36] <Muzer> #kde4 is #kde
[19:36] <Muzer> it's a symlink
[19:36] <DarkriftX> ahhh
[19:36] <smeril> i have a laptop
[19:37] <Odd-rationale> there is #kubuntu-kde4 (see the topic)
[19:37] <Muzer> jhutchins_wk: You'd have to do that for every archive type
[19:37] <jhutchins_wk> smeril: Lots more screws and parts to remove then.
[19:37] <Muzer> Could I just remove The KDE4 Ark and replace it with a symlink to the KDE3 one
[19:37] <smeril> do you know a more simple solution?
[19:37] <jhutchins_wk> Muzer: Well, there might be a component setting.
[19:37] <Muzer> I'll join #kubunt-kde4u
[19:38] <jhutchins_wk> Muzer: No, a symlink would be active in any environment, and we don't know if ark from kde3 woudl work.  (I suppose you could try launching it manually to see...)
[19:38] <smeril> i dont hear any sound and i cant acces the volume control or any other sound related programs
[19:38] <jhutchins_wk> smeril: Does alsamixer run in the console?
[19:38] <smeril> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[19:39] <smeril> everything worked fine last time i used the computer
[19:40] <Muzer> kde3 ark from kde4 does work, but it loads the kde3 dolphin when open file after extract is ticked
[19:41] <chisiyuan> smeril: It sounds like you are repeating my story. Have backup your system?
[19:41] <smeril> no but i can take what i need on a usb stick
[19:43] <Mimi> *sigh* ive been looking for days. Does anyone have a guide to record audio that you can hear? (im not looking to record streams,  just a game and voice chat on it)  --  Sound Recorder doesnt work for me
[19:43] <smeril> is hardy heron the best ubuntu?
[19:43] <smeril> http://thepiratebay.org/tor/4153940/Linux_Ubuntu_8.04_Desktop_i386_Hardy_Heron
[19:43] <Mimi> smeril:  For me, yes its the best
[19:43] <RurouniJones> It is the latest
[19:43] <smeril> ok
[19:43] <melkart> it wasnt good for me, wrecked my system
[19:43] <RurouniJones> But then so is Windows Vista and look at what people are saying about that ;)
[19:44] <delta16> hey guy's can someone help me ?
[19:44] <Mimi> !ask | delta16
[19:46] <Muzer> Bugger it, no-one's replying on #kubuntu, #kde, or #kubuntu-kde4, I'll just try a backup + symlink
[19:47] <delta16> i have Kubuntu install wit  Dutchas system languge ,whe many software packages that i want to install cant becouse it's ging me an error that it's not in the ropsitry. one of the packeges is UNRAR.
[19:48] <BluesKaj> delta16, sudo apt-get install unrar
[19:49] <delta16> yea  that is the normal way i install the packages , but them i'm gettein the error messages
[19:49] <SchmittyTu> kde and blackberry? you guys heard of anything fancy?
[19:49] <trappist> delta16: you need to enable the universe repository, and possibly multiverse
[19:49] <trappist> !universe > delta16
[19:50] <delta16> thax il try that
[19:50] <Ketrel> If I have scripts in my Autostart folder and one of them didn't work, where can I find the output it would've produced so I can see why?
[19:50] <BluesKaj> delta16, Open Adept Package Manager, On the menu of that screen click on Adept -> Manage Repositories, click the Kubuntu Software tab, check all the boxes "X".The same goes for the Third Party Software tab. Close,and then in the terminal type " sudo apt-get update ".Now, you have more sources for applications other than the defaults that came with Kubuntu.
[19:53] <delta16> BluesKaj   , sorry  didn't work :(
[19:53] <acer4920> helo
[19:53] <acer4920> ı am halil
[19:53] <acer4920> ı am new kubuntu
[19:53] <trappist> Ketrel: maybe ~/.xsession-errors, but it's easier if the script explicitly produces its own output
[19:54] <delta16> i did a repo updat and then try'd to install unrar but still the sam error message
[19:54] <Ketrel> trappist: that's the one I was thinking of, thanks
[19:54] <acer4920> kubuntu 8.04 java how?
[19:54] <LimCore> wow, ubuntu fails me so hard today
[19:54] <delta16> could it be becouse the packeg isn't transelated yet ?
[19:54] <LimCore> gnome or kde,   xgl or not-xgl,  there is tons of X crashing or invalid drawing.  anyone know how to fix this?
[19:54] <LimCore> 8.04
[19:55] <BluesKaj> delta16, what error messages are you getting ?, post them in pastebin if there are more than 3 lines
[19:56] <delta16> delta@delta-desktop:/media/winddows/Downloads$ sudo apt-get install unrarPakketlijsten worden ingelezen... KlaarBoom van vereisten wordt opgebouwdStatusinformatie wordt gelezen... KlaarPakket unrar is niet beschikbaar, hoewel er naar verwezen wordt dooreen ander pakket. Mogelijk betekent dit dat het pakket ontbreekt,verouderd is, of enkel beschikbaar is van een andere bronE: Pakket unrar heeft geen installeerbare kandidaat
[19:57] <trappist> delta16: that's all dutch to me :)
[19:57] <Ketrel> I installed nvidia driver 96.43.05 with EnvyNG
[19:57] <Ketrel> However, now when I log out I can't get back to KDM
[19:57] <Odd-rationale> !envy
[19:57] <delta16> that is the dutch eroor mesage that i'm getting ! it actuelly sais: the same error message in english taht you getting : no soutible candidate found
[19:58] <Ketrel> Odd-rationale: I installed an older one because I was getting blank TTYs with the current one
[19:58] <Ketrel> But now I can't log out right
[19:58] <trappist> delta16: have you enabled the universe and multiverse repositories?
[19:58] <Ketrel> I end up on a blank screen with a flashing cursor
[19:58] <trappist> delta16: the unrar package is in the multiverse repository
[19:59] <delta16> i have done as Blueskay told me , enable all  repo in adapt packet menager
[19:59] <ovidiu> hi
[19:59] <trappist> delta16: grep multiverse /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:59] <ovidiu> how I disable the spell checker?
[20:00] <trappist> ovidiu: in what application.
[20:00] <melkart> ovidiu: i achieved this only by disinstalling its dictionary :S
[20:00] <ovidiu> in pidgin, for example
[20:00] <Tear^> geiaaaaaaaaaa
[20:00] <melkart> uninstalling, rather
[20:00] <ovidiu> it appear in the most of GTK applications
[20:00] <ovidiu> ok
[20:00] <delta16> this is what i get as a aoutput
[20:00] <trappist> delta16: don't paste here if it's long!
[20:01] <tgreer> hi guys...any idea how to solve the error E: Not primary DBus name owner
[20:01] <delta16> delta@delta-desktop:/media/winddows/Downloads$ grep multiverse /etc/apt/sources.list## multiverse WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntudeb http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy multiversedeb-src http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy multiversedeb http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy-updates multiversedeb-src http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy-updates multiverse# deb http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[20:01] <delta16> iverse# deb-src http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy-backports main restricted universe multiversedeb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy-security multiversedeb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy-security multiversedelta@delta-desktop:/media/winddows/Downloads$
[20:01] <delta16> just a couple of lines
[20:01] <delta16> but it looks to me like it's enabled
[20:01] <trappist> delta16: have you done 'sudo apt-get update' since you added the other repositories?
[20:02] <delta16> yes
[20:02] <trappist> delta16: what does 'apt-cache policy unrar' show (summarize, don't paste)
[20:03] <tommy> i don't have an internet connection at home, how can i install new software?
[20:03] <delta16> would you minde expaling me the commad ?
[20:03] <arekz> is kubuntu different from ubuntu?
[20:03] <ovidiu> what are the packgages for dictionaries?
[20:03] <acer4920> hello
[20:03] <ovidiu> or how I uninstall it?
[20:03] <trappist> delta16: it should show you where apt thinks the package is
[20:03] <acer4920> java kubuntu 8.04 how?
[20:03] <Tear^> hello my stik i dont know were is
[20:03] <Tear^> in kubuntu
[20:03] <trappist> !java
[20:03] <chisiyuan> tommy:do you have cd or dvd?
[20:03] <Ketrel> as far as my problem, I can fix it if I do "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart"
[20:04] <delta16> installd: (none)
[20:04] <monkeybritches> Kubuntu and Ubuntu are the same, but they use different desktop managers
[20:04] <melkart> ovidiu: not that i really know these things well... but what about "aspell" or "ispell"?
[20:04] <tommy> cd
[20:04] <arekz> everytime i open a website, or reload a page, my computer seems to be "buffering" stopping music and freezing everything else for few seconds. What can i do to correct this?
[20:04] <delta16> candidate: (none) , versiontable: (none)
[20:04] <acer4920> ubottu: please kubuntu java how?
[20:04] <ovidiu> melkart: ok, I found it
[20:04] <ovidiu> but I wasn't sure
[20:04] <ovidiu> ;)
[20:04] <trappist> arekz: what browser?
[20:04] <tgreer> anyone know how to fix E: Not primary DBus name owner
[20:04] <arekz> FF
[20:05] <arekz> is there any other recommended browser for ubuntu users?
[20:05] <trappist> arekz: it could be an extension overworking your computer - mine acted that way and it turned out to be an extension
[20:05] <monkeybritches> Tear^: stik?
[20:05] <delta16> arekz the rocomendet browser is FIREFOX
[20:05] <arekz> Extension, you mean addons right?
[20:06] <trappist> arekz: yes
[20:06] <Tear^> monkeybritches,  yea
[20:06] <Tear^> usb stik
[20:06] <trappist> arekz: in my case it was codeweavers crossover plugin
[20:06] <Tear^> i dont know were is
[20:06] <Tear^> to open it
[20:06] <acer4920> hello kubuntu java how?
[20:06] <monkeybritches> If it automounted, it should be under /media
[20:06] <chisiyuan> tommy:well, if dvd, with more contents, you can install some from it
[20:06] <trappist> acer4920: ubottu already told you
[20:07] <delta16> trappist: i get : instlld:(none) || Candiddat:(none) || Versiontable:
[20:08] <trappist> delta16: can you pastebin (not paste!) your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[20:08] <mohi> hi :)
[20:08] <tommy> i can download at work and burn it but where can i download them?
[20:08] <mohi> how can I restart kicker?
[20:08] <dwidmann> mohi: killall kicker && kicker
[20:08] <trappist> mohi: alt-f2 -> kicker
[20:08] <delta16> what you mean by paste bin ?
[20:08] <delta16> pastebin ?
[20:08] <trappist> !pastebin
[20:08] <mohi> aha.. ty :)
[20:08] <Jucato> mohi: Alt+F2, "dcop kicker kicker restart"
[20:08] <mohi> wow! lots of ways! :D
[20:08] <trappist> Jucato: ooh, much better
[20:09] <trappist> mohi: do it jucato's way
[20:09] <chisiyuan> tommy:go to ubuntu.com
[20:09] <Jucato> dwidmann: killall kicker is a bit... abrupt
[20:09]  * Jucato waves to trappist
[20:09] <dwidmann> Jucato: but very functional none-the-less
[20:09]  * trappist waves back
[20:09] <trappist> dwidmann: also potentially destructive
[20:09] <mohi> nothing happened Jucato!
[20:09] <LimCore> how to report a bug that ubuntu FAILED to provide usable 3d environment?  xorg?
[20:09] <dwidmann> Jucato: it's sigterm so it does get to do whatever it needs to die instead of just dying
[20:09] <dwidmann> IIRC
[20:09] <trappist> LimCore: launchpad.net
[20:09] <Jucato> mohi: is kicker running in the first place?
[20:09] <dwidmann> it's not liking kill -9'ing it or anything
[20:10] <LimCore> trappist: I know.  xorg or what package/project?
[20:10] <mohi> Jucato: what do you mean?
[20:10] <trappist> LimCore: compiz-fusion
[20:10] <Jucato> mohi: press Ctrl+Esc and see if kicker is in the list
[20:10] <LimCore> trappist: how to disable that, btw
[20:10] <Jucato> mohi: I'm presuming you're using KDE 3.5?
[20:10] <trappist> LimCore: or maybe the source package is just compiz
[20:10] <LimCore> trappist: to have not-crashing desktop
[20:10] <arekz> i disable my greasemonkey and other extension, still not working trappist
[20:10] <trappist> yeah, compiz
[20:11] <arekz> any other recommendation?
[20:11] <trappist> LimCore: don't know, actually - google probably does :)
[20:11] <mohi> Jucato: yes. 3.5
[20:11] <Jucato> mohi: so is kicker running?
[20:11] <mohi> Jucato: I killed it via ctrl+esc and started it again! worked!
[20:11] <mohi> ty :)
[20:12] <Jucato> ok. it might have just been hidden
[20:12] <mohi> :S
[20:14] <delta16> trappist  if done in on pate.ubuntu.com
[20:14] <delta16> *paste
[20:14] <mohi> who has aptoncd here? does the botton "load" in restore mode workes for you? I have 2 systems and none of them works!
[20:15] <trappist> delta16: need to have a link to your specific paste
[20:15] <vbgunz> anyone have any idea what this means or how to trace a signal 11 on xserver? http://paste.ubuntu.com/9259/
[20:16] <delta16> trappist http://paste.ubuntu.com/9257/
[20:16] <vbgunz> I swear my X is restarting on me randomly. never when I am at the PC ***only*** when I am away or someone else is logged on... absolutely beyond a shadow of a doubt very frustrating... had this issue the last past 3 releases :/
[20:16] <LimCore> vbgunz: report it... try reinstalling clean.. hardware?
[20:16] <vbgunz> anybody have any clue how to ***trace*** the cause of the issue?
[20:16] <Pollywog> hello, since upgrading to Hardy I can't play audio cd's
[20:17] <vbgunz> I have reported it. months ago. had to just give up on it
[20:17] <santiago_> hello
[20:17] <LimCore> Pollywog: try mixer settings.  enable more mixer options in config
[20:17] <Pollywog> anyone know what the problem is, apparently others have the same problem but I did not find a fix on the forums
[20:17] <dwidmann> vbgunz: check your logs
[20:17] <santiago_> i have a problem with sound
[20:17] <santiago_> :D
[20:17] <Pollywog> LimCore: k thanks
[20:17] <vbgunz> I pulled my paste out of a log
[20:17] <trappist> delta16: that looks right - just for fun, please do this: "sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get install unrar"
[20:17] <yerli> türçe konuşan varmı
[20:17] <lliw00> ey im trying to install something from source and i keep getting this error http://pastebin.com/m6420c2fa
[20:17] <lliw00> any ideas to the problem?
[20:17] <vbgunz> other than that, I have no idea what in the world is *causing* a signal 11 :(
[20:18] <santiago_> the sound only works with amarok or kaffeine
[20:18] <dwidmann> vbgunz: most X problems are video driver related
[20:18] <RurouniJones> vbgunz: Done a memtest? Could be dodgy RAM
[20:18] <dwidmann> as far as I've seen
[20:18] <santiago_> but not with any other aplication or OS sound
[20:18] <Pollywog> I have sound, I just can't play cd's
[20:18] <trappist> lliw00: do you have an nvidia card?
[20:18] <lliw00> no
[20:18] <Pollywog> since I upgraded to Hardy
[20:18] <lliw00> just a little embedded sis 662
[20:18] <Pollywog> it was fine in Gutsy
[20:18] <trappist> lliw00: install mesa-common-dev
[20:19] <delta16> trapist damn i'm getting the same error message :(
[20:19] <vbgunz> unexpectedly is no definitive answer... I am as much in the dark as the dark itself... lame analogy but true. I can live with the fact I am getting a signal 11 *but* is there anyway to actually trace it or something. any way to actually catch the cause, log the actual cause?
[20:19] <trappist> delta16: not sure what to tell you :/ maybe it's just missing from the nl repo
[20:20] <delta16> ok , is ther a way to use the english repo with dutch a system languge ?
[20:21] <trappist> delta16: got it!  sudo apt-get install unrar-nonfree
[20:21] <Santi-> help¿
[20:21] <dwidmann> delta16: you can use whatever repo you want.
[20:21] <dwidmann> delta16: probably anyhow
[20:22] <delta16> cous i think english repo wil solve the problem
[20:22] <trappist> delta16: but yeah dwidmann's right, you don't have to use a local repo to get your local language... but, "sudo apt-get install unrar-nonfree"
[20:23] <delta16> trappist  the trick (sudo apt-get install unrar-nonfree) didn't work
[20:23] <trappist> !
[20:23] <delta16> i got the erromessage that the package does not exist
[20:23] <trappist> delta16: I guess just download the package and install it: http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/u/unrar-nonfree/unrar_3.7.8-1_i386.deb
[20:24] <trappist> delta16: then sudo dpkg -i unrar-nonfree/unrar_3.7.8-1_i386.deb
[20:24] <trappist> err without the unrar-nonfree/ part
[20:24] <trappist> just the filename
[20:25] <delta16> hhaahah yea well iwa already thinking of dooing it the easy way :P
[20:27] <jhutchins_wk> !info unrar
[20:28] <_2> my running linux system is on /dev/hdb    i just did this  cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda ;mke2fs /dev/hda ;lilo (lilo is setup to install the MBR on /dev/hda)   now when i boot hdb is blank all but /lost+found      however if i bounce the bootloader to hdc and boot from there, same system just a different MBR loading the same kernel/initramfs pair, here i am with everything on hdb and it's hda that's clean      how is this happening ?
[20:29] <jhutchins_wk> _2: Perhaps you could be more specific about "bounce the bootloader to hdc".
[20:31] <_2> jhutchins_uk i have boot from hda, boot from hdb, boot from hdc, boot from hdd   listings in my lilo.conf  which simply chainload the next drive
[20:31] <_2> so i could, if it seemed like the thing to do; bounce from drive to drive all day. and never boot an os
[20:32] <jonder_-_> jhoe
[20:32] <Santi-> need help
[20:33] <_2> actually "chainload" is a grub term, lilo does   other=/dev/hdc
[20:34] <_2> same basic effect
[20:34] <Santi-> _2 !!!
[20:34] <Santi-> yesterday you tried to help me
[20:35] <Santi-> i discovered something
[20:35] <Rodrigo_de_Olive> Hello!!! I'm needing informations about ubuntu... can I convert my operation system of english to portuguese?
[20:35] <Santi-> Amarok and Kaffeine work though xine motor
[20:35] <Santi-> so??
[20:35] <Santi-> :D
[20:35] <_2> jhutchins_wk any clue?
[20:35] <Santi-> how can use that onfo in order to have sound?? :p
[20:36] <_2> Santi- insyall arts ?
[20:37] <Santi-> whats that?? :S
[20:37] <Santi-> i am a newbbie :p
[20:37] <_2> !arts | Santi-
[20:37] <jhutchins_wk> Rodrigo_de_Olive: I believe you can.  This is the channel for kubuntu, ubuntu with KDE instead of gnome, and there's even a portuguese IRC channel.
[20:37] <jhutchins_wk> !pt | Rodrigo_de_Olive
[20:37] <_2> !info arts
[20:37] <_2>            ^
[20:38] <Rodrigo_de_Olive> thanks
[20:38] <Santi-> a manual apperars :s
[20:38] <jhutchins_wk> _2: Hm.  Sounds a lot like it's ordering the drives differently.  Try assigning them a UUID and see if you can tell.
[20:38] <Santi-> what should I do?? :S
[20:39] <_2> jhutchins_wk but i dont think lilo supports uuid's
[20:40] <jhutchins_wk> _2: Doesn't matter.  With the UUID, you can tell if hdb is being assigned to a different drive.
[20:40] <_2> how ?
[20:40] <Santi-> help¿¿
[20:40] <_2> note if it is i'm only going to see the busybox shell
[20:41] <_2> i'll go fix it now and stop bothering you folks.
[20:41] <Santi-> please help me??
[20:42] <_2> p.s. someone get santi-'s sound working for him.
[20:42] <Santi-> LOL
[20:42] <SlimeyPete> sorry Santi-, we are listening but I guess no-one here is a sound expert
[20:43] <Santi-> where should I go??
[20:43] <SlimeyPete> if there's a #alsa you could try there
[20:43] <Santi-> also, kopetes web cam does not work
[20:43] <Santi-> no help there :s
[20:49] <jhutchins_wk> !webcam | Santi-
[20:51] <Santi-> tnx
[20:51] <Santi-> bye!!
[20:51] <tailsfan> Hello, What is a good download manager for Kubuntu, I wanted to get the DVD Image of Hardy
[20:54] <tailsfan> plus, does anyone have trouble with Internet Connection Sharing on Kubuntu
[20:54] <dwidmann> tailsfan: kget is good, kget-kde4 is even better
[20:54]  * tailsfan doesn't like KDE 4
[20:55] <Boohbah_> tailsfan: ktorrent
[20:55] <tailsfan> but ktorrent doesn't downlooad HTTP files
[20:56] <Boohbah_> but the torrent is just as fast
[20:56] <tailsfan> for me, not so much
[20:57] <Boohbah_> http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[20:57] <Boohbah_> tailsfan: why?
[20:57] <BluesKaj> ktorrent has a new beta out ..wonder how stable it is ?
[20:57] <hume> is there a way to have a second panel for most used program icons in KDE 4, like in KDE 3.5? Running Kubuntu Heron
[20:58] <mado> hi guys ...
[20:58] <tailsfan> because the best I downloaded was at 200 kb/s
[20:58] <tailsfan> and my net sometimes kicks me off
[20:58] <mado> i don't know why but i get this error message quite often ...
[20:58] <mado> Die Desktop-Datei
[20:58] <mado> /usr/share/apps/d3lphin/servicemenus/amarok_addaspodcast.desktop
[20:58] <mado> hat einen ungültigen Menü-Eintrag
[20:58] <mado> addAsPodcast.
[20:58] <ubuntu> salve
[20:59] <mado> ave! :)
[20:59] <BluesKaj> magister
[20:59] <ubuntu> ho appena installato il mio modem usb su kubuntu
[20:59] <ubuntu> solo che non riesco ad andare in rete
[20:59] <ubuntu> cioè non capisco
[21:00] <BluesKaj> !it | ubuntu
[21:00] <ubuntu> qui accedo ma alla rete no
[21:00] <ubuntu> okay
[21:00] <ubuntu> salve
[21:00] <BluesKaj> ciao
[21:01]  * tailsfan likes Kubuntu a little more than Windows
[21:01] <Kiry> tails, that doesn't take much!
[21:01] <Kiry> :)
[21:01]  * Desmond likes almost anything better then windows
[21:01] <hume> anyone knows hot to add a second panel i KDE4?
[21:01] <tailsfan> well, for me, I'm used to Windows and linux gives me probs on some things
[21:01] <tailsfan> like Internet Connection Sharing, for my brother's 260
[21:01] <tailsfan> 360*
[21:02] <tailsfan> and unlike Kubuntu, there is no Music, Movie and Video Support for Xbox 360
[21:02] <tailsfan> Windows*
[21:03] <ubuntu> salve ragazzi
[21:03] <trident523> tailsfan: xb360 is fun and all, but trying to use media on it is a pain anyhow... in my limited experience with it.
[21:04] <tailsfan> lol
[21:04] <Agent_bob> anyone here that saw yestergo that i was only getting 1.6m/s hda -> hdb data transfer ?    well to day i'm getting  12.67 MB/s hdb -> hda     <note reverse dirrection   and no partition    not sure which one is making the differance though
[21:05] <ubuntu__> hello guys
[21:05] <ubuntu__> excuse me
[21:05] <ubuntu__> i need support
[21:05] <SlimeyPete> !ask | ubuntu__
[21:05] <SlimeyPete> :)
[21:05] <ubuntu__> is there someone who can help me?
[21:06] <trident523> !ask | ubuntu__
[21:07] <trident523> ... s'rly.
[21:07] <ubuntu__> I've problem. I'm Italian, so if I can't spaek good English... I've installed my usb modem on Kubuntu. Now I see that I can join in mIRC but i can't go in Internet.  Can you say me why? Please help me!
[21:07] <Agent_bob> !it
[21:07] <Desmond> !anything
[21:07] <ubuntu__> @ubottu, in ubuntu-it  non mi apare nessuno
[21:07] <Desmond> lol
[21:07] <Desmond> !thank you
[21:08] <Desmond> hes a bot
[21:08] <ubuntu__> oh, I understand
[21:08] <ubuntu__> I don't use often mIRC
[21:08] <ubuntu__> and I never used this channel
[21:08] <krist> hey
[21:09] <ubuntu__> can anyone help me?
[21:09] <Desmond> sure
[21:09] <Desmond> whats yo problem?
[21:09] <Agent_bob> Desmond scroll up  he said modem blocking http access
[21:09] <Agent_bob> that or dns issue
[21:10] <BluesKaj> ubuntu__, click here,  www.google.com .. tell us what happens
[21:10] <Desmond> google opens
[21:10] <ubuntu__> no..
[21:10] <Agent_bob> more likely dns problem   but i'm not a network guy
[21:10] <Desmond> with artist frame
[21:10] <Desmond> lol
[21:10] <Desmond> google opend for me
[21:10] <tailsfan> Back
[21:10] <ubuntu__> Impossibile connettersi all'host http://www.google.com/. I translate: Impossible to connect to the host
[21:11] <ScorpKing> ubuntu__: how do you connect to the internet?
[21:11] <ubuntu__> this is my problem..
[21:11] <Desmond> !internet
[21:11] <Desmond> !web
[21:11] <ubuntu__> i can go on IRC but not on sites
[21:11] <ScorpKing> ubuntu__: adsl? dialup?
[21:11] <Desmond> um
[21:11] <ubuntu__> adsl
[21:11] <ScorpKing> hmm..
 I've problem. I'm Italian, so if I can't spaek good English... I've installed my usb modem on Kubuntu. Now I see that I can join in mIRC but i can't go in Internet.  Can you say me why? Please help me!  <<< everyone see.
[21:12] <tailsfan> BRB, have to restart
[21:12] <ScorpKing> ubuntu__: close knetworkmanager and it should work
[21:12] <Agent_bob> tailsfan working on the mbr ?
[21:12] <ScorpKing> thanks Agent_bob :)
[21:12] <ubuntu__> ok, I try
[21:12] <Desmond> !it
[21:12] <Desmond> go to that channel
[21:12] <Desmond> #ubuntu-it <<click
[21:13] <Desmond> all in italian
[21:13] <Desmond> good lucj
[21:13] <Desmond> luck
[21:13] <Desmond> =)
[21:13] <ubuntu__> wonderful
[21:13] <ubuntu__> it is all okay
[21:13] <ubuntu__> you are geniuses
[21:13] <ubuntu__> (i can't speak good english..oh)
[21:13] <ubuntu__> thank you thank you thank you!!!
[21:13] <ScorpKing> ubuntu__: i know. it's a problem with knetworkmanager if you use dialup or any modem
[21:13] <Agent_bob> "even a blind hog will find an acorn every now and then"
[21:14] <BluesKaj> your english ok , we understood  , ubuntu__
[21:15] <MrCraig> hey guys, i got a quick question
[21:16] <Agent_bob> huttoh! ""Cannot create target directory "/mnt/usr/share/~ons/crystalsvg" No space left on device (28)""    i wonder what the krap that error message is?   or what is causing it i mean...
[21:16] <MrCraig> when KDE 4.1 one comes out, will it be a kubuntu "sponsored" update, or will we have to wait until 8.10 before 4.1 is in there?
[21:16] <MrCraig> *the final release
[21:17] <Agent_bob> and don't say the disk is full  it's not even close.  63G free
[21:17] <Agent_bob> no reserve and root is doing the copying
[21:18] <FenixReign> can anyone tell me if there is a way to upgrade 7.10 to 8.04 with the downloaded disc?
[21:18] <Agent_bob> so why would mc error with   ""Cannot create target directory "/mnt/usr/share/~ons/crystalsvg" No space left on device (28)""
[21:19] <SlimeyPete> only if you downloaded the alternate CD
[21:19] <mado> hi guys ...
[21:19] <mado> can you help me on that too? ...
[21:19] <SlimeyPete> on what?
[21:20] <mado> just a sec ... i'm writing it down
[21:20] <ScorpKing> !remaster
[21:20] <ScorpKing> does anyone know what that's supposed to be?
[21:21] <shaffy> may anyone help?  i've installed kubuntu kde4 (clean install), however, after the first logon, now i have nothing on my desktop (not even a taskbar), only the widget icon in the corner.  any ideas anyone?  have I somehow disabled the taskbar?
[21:21] <FenixReign> SmileyPete, what do you mean alternate CD?
[21:21] <ScorpKing> !kde4
[21:21] <mado> i found this on a homepage ...
[21:21] <mado> QUESTION: Is there any place I can download a .zip file of all the pages? - ANSWER. If by "download" you mean purchase, and by ".zip file" you mean book. Otherwise you have to save all of them individually. Good luck.
[21:21] <joseph> is there any free web forum software in the repos?
[21:21] <mado> my question now is ... is it illegal to download the pages?
[21:22] <SlimeyPete> FenixReign: there are two CDs - the liveCD and the alternate CD. Both are available from the download page.
[21:22] <Agent_bob> 1 [root@/mnt/usr/share/apps] mkdir kde
[21:22] <Agent_bob> mkdir: cannot create directory `kde': No space left on device
[21:22] <Agent_bob> eeek.
[21:22] <mado> because the creator didn't say it was
[21:22] <Agent_bob> 63gig free but no space left ....
[21:22] <mado> what do you think?
[21:22] <nysin> I downloaded and tried Kubuntu Hardy KDE4, and some of KDE4 is kind of neat, but it's also, as expected, pretty unstable. So my question is, will just doing something like uninstalling the main KDE4 (meta)package and installing the KDE3 equivalent be sufficient to switch?
[21:22] <ScorpKing> Agent_bob: df -h?
[21:23] <SlimeyPete> mado: erm that's not really appropriate for this channel (try #kubuntu-offtopic) but it's perfectly legal I should think
[21:23] <Agent_bob> ScorpKing 63 g free
[21:23] <Agent_bob> i just said that
[21:23] <ScorpKing> Agent_bob: dmesg | tail or maybe something in the logs?
[21:23] <mado> ok ... thanks SlimeyPete --- could you explain me in a query why do you think it is?
[21:23] <FenixReign> SlimeyPete, you mean the one with the KDE4 remix... correct?
[21:23] <Agent_bob>  /dev/hda               75G   13G   63G  17% /mnt
[21:23] <SlimeyPete> FenixReign: no
[21:23] <ScorpKing> Agent_bob: it could be that /tmp is full
[21:23] <BluesKaj> Agent_bob, why not use /home or
[21:23] <SlimeyPete> FenixReign: hang on I'll find a link
[21:24] <FenixReign> SlimeyPete, I don't see an alternateCD choice then...
[21:24] <Agent_bob> last two entries  [17179727.040000] EXT3 FS on hda, internal journal
[21:24] <Agent_bob> [17179727.040000] EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode.
[21:24] <nysin> (I didn't partition it so that I could just wipe the / partition or something)
[21:24] <SlimeyPete> mado: I prefer not to query. Try asking the same question in #kubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:24] <Agent_bob> BluesKaj ?  i'm migrating to another drive   or was trying to
[21:25] <ScorpKing> Agent_bob: touch /tmp/testfile - any errors?
[21:25] <SlimeyPete> FenixReign: http://mirrors.ccs.neu.edu/releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hardy/      - look for "alternate" in the filename
[21:25] <Agent_bob> ScorpKing it's not / it's /mnt that is reporting full
[21:25] <SlimeyPete> FenixReign: you can upgrade from that CD
[21:25] <SlimeyPete> !alternate
[21:25] <Devourer> How do I check to see what my default soundcard is?
[21:25] <mado> ok SlimeyPete ... thanks anyway
[21:26] <melkart> i just read there is a limit on maximum 32000 subdirs in ext3
[21:26] <ScorpKing> ah but that should show in dmesg or the logs then
[21:26] <FenixReign> SlimeyPete, Thanks... I just downloaded a CD last night.... argh!!  I don't think that it was the alternate one though....
[21:27] <SlimeyPete> FenixReign: if your kubuntu box has an internet connection you can just upgrade via the 'net
[21:28] <Agent_bob> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d102a673b
[21:28] <Agent_bob> ScorpKing   see that   ^
[21:28] <spiroo> Adobe has opened up the restrictions in Flash. How would that affect us users which using (k)ubuntu
[21:28]  * ScorpKing takes a look..
[21:29] <Agent_bob> ScorpKing also   tty23 [root@dell.~] mkdir /mnt/bob
[21:29] <Agent_bob> mkdir: cannot create directory `/mnt/bob': No space left on device
[21:29] <FenixReign> SlimeyPete, I know... thought that it would be faster doing it from the cd that I downloaded instead... I have Satellite Internet and I'm damn near close to reaching  FAP (Fair Access Policy) and when I do they cut me off....
[21:30] <SlimeyPete> FenixReign: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades/Kubuntu for instructions by the way
[21:30] <BluesKaj> FenixReign, cut you off ...limits on your DLs ?.I thought that went out with dialup
[21:31] <ScorpKing> Agent_bob: fdisk -l /dev/hda and pastebin that
[21:31] <udi> Thunderbird refuses to open urls that are embedded in email messages.  What do I do?
[21:32] <FenixReign> BluesKaj, since I have Sat. internet the company can't just go rent bandwidth when they want to, so they start cutting ppl off when they reach a certain point.
[21:32] <ubuntu_> hi
[21:32] <ScorpKing> udi: there is a setting for that in preferences
[21:32] <Agent_bob> ScorpKing it's in the pastebin
[21:32] <ScorpKing> Agent_bob: link?
[21:32] <Agent_bob> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d102a673b
[21:32] <BluesKaj> FenixReign, is it bundled with TV service ?
[21:33] <udi> scor- in teh Thunderbird preferences?  I could not find it
[21:33] <Agent_bob> ScorpKing it starts at line 6   or didn't you notice ?
[21:33] <ScorpKing> Agent_bob: /dev/hda on /mnt type ext3 (rw) and fdisk -l doesn't show the partitions of /dev/hda or am i missing that?
[21:33] <FenixReign> BluesKaj, no separate service... I live in the country and sat. is the only way for now to get "high speed"  so far I am disappointed, but there is nothing else right now.
[21:33] <Agent_bob> there are no partitions ScorpKing
[21:34] <ScorpKing> Agent_bob: oops ;)
[21:34] <ScorpKing> Agent_bob: ok i see now
[21:34] <Agent_bob> :)
[21:34] <udi> Scorpking-- where in the preferences do I find the instructions to open a browser with the url from the email message?
[21:35] <Agent_bob> anyway while you catch up i'll reformat the disk and try again.
[21:35] <ScorpKing> udi: i'll check just now. one sec
[21:35] <udi> ok
[21:35] <BluesKaj> ok, FenixReign , sounds better than dialup tho ....my buddy lives on a farm about 10 mi from and he uses satinternet as well. He's never mentioned the "cap".
[21:35] <Walzmyn> Anybody know how to use shared folders with virtualbox?
[21:36] <FenixReign> BluesKaj, what service does he have?
[21:36] <fdoving> Walzmyn: yeah, i managed to use that once. what is the problem? - i've only done this with windows guests.
[21:37] <ScorpKing> Agent_bob: i'm wondering if not having partitions might be the problem but i'm not sure. i'll do some thinking
[21:37] <spiroo> How do I change language for firefox3?
[21:38] <Agent_bob> ScorpKing nope.   i hardly ever use a partition.  and this it the first time a disk has ever done that.
[21:38] <Devourer> How do I set my default sound card?
[21:38] <Agent_bob> ScorpKing i'm wondering if having a journal might have caused it,   journal corruption ???
[21:39] <ScorpKing> Agent_bob: could be. unmount it and run fsck on it
[21:40] <Agent_bob> Devourer  asoundconf --help  might know
[21:40] <Agent_bob> ScorpKing already reformated and trying again.
[21:41] <BluesKaj> FenixReign, i think it's Galaxy Broadband
[21:41] <BluesKaj> we're in Canada
[21:41] <patpond> w00t
[21:42] <ScorpKing> udi: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Default_browser
[21:43] <FenixReign> BluesKaj,  He also might have a different package internet than I....
[21:43] <BluesKaj> yeah, looks like a lotta options
[21:43] <udi> ok-- I shall look at that
[21:44] <Walzmyn> fdoving, sorry, I was in the guest - I'm trying to move some files between the two, and I can't figure out how to get the guest to see the shared folder.
[21:45] <fdoving> Walzmyn: troy to go to \\vboxsrv\
[21:46] <fdoving> err. \\vboxsvr
[21:46] <dave11> lol.. Walmarts website is crashing my firefox everytime
[21:46] <Walzmyn> fdoving, put that in the windows explorer
[21:46] <Walzmyn> ?
[21:46] <ScorpKing> Agent_bob: i just looked at my own df -h "/dev/sda1    9.7G  9.2G  0 100% /" oops!
[21:46] <fdoving> Walzmyn: yeah, \\vboxsvr\
[21:46] <Agent_bob> hehhe that page doesn't render correctly in text based browsers   all lines are cut at 78 chars long   the remainder of the line is not warpped it's just lost  lol    ^
[21:47] <Walzmyn> fdoving, ok thanks
[21:47] <Agent_bob> that page   http://kb.mozillazine.org/Default_browser  ^
[21:47] <ScorpKing> Agent_bob: use w3m ;)
[21:48] <arvid> Why can't i do Apply in System Settings-Display?
[21:48] <Agent_bob> ScorpKing http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d246328e7 :)
[21:49] <_juan> anyone using kde4?
[21:49] <dave11> !webcam
[21:50] <arvid> yes im using kde4
[21:50] <Walzmyn> fdoving, remind me, how does winders handle file names with a space in them?
[21:50] <ScorpKing> Agent_bob: i can see all of it with w3m here
[21:50] <_juan> in the kmenu all i get for icons are question marks
[21:50] <fdoving> Walzmyn: no clue. ##windows
[21:51] <Agent_bob> ScorpKing hmm version maybe different.  but elinks does the same thing to me
[21:51] <Walzmyn> fdoving, thanks
[21:51] <ziberzone> olaa??
[21:51] <Agent_bob> w3m version w3m/0.5.1,
[21:51] <_juan> and what's worse, i cant seem to find how to edit the kmenu, any ideas arvid?
[21:52] <ScorpKing> Agent_bob: w3m version w3m/0.5.1+cvs-1.968
[21:53] <Agent_bob> it's obviously a bad page ;/      lynx does render it correctly tho
[21:53] <ScorpKing> could be. i have to go
[21:53] <arvid> _juan sorry, i installed kde today, never used it before in my life
[21:53] <Agent_bob> just checked the progress of my data transfer    14.16 MB/s   69% complete
[21:54] <Agent_bob> i think thats' the highest transfer rate i have ever seen here
[21:56] <Devourer> Ok, I got my sound to work in FireFox but now it doesn't work in VLC.. why not?
[21:56] <Agent_bob> tell vlc to use arts
[21:56] <wirechief-intel> join /#kubuntu-devel
[21:56] <Devourer> Agent_bob, what is arts?
[21:56] <Agent_bob> !info arts
[21:56] <sigma_1234> can the oxygen window theme / decorations be used in kde 3 somehow? i see that the icons can
[21:56] <Agent_bob> that    ^
[21:57] <nosrednaekim> sigma_1234: the decorations can...
[21:57] <nosrednaekim> not the widget themes though
[21:57] <Devourer> Agent_bob, how do I tell VLC to use that?
[21:57] <XyQrTw> hello chan
[21:57] <Agent_bob> Devourer or if you don't use arts at all,  tell vlc to use alsa as it's audio output
[21:58] <sigma_1234> how do i apply them? i checked in kcontrol and oxygen is not listed there
[21:58] <Agent_bob> Devourer in the vlc menu   settings thingy-ma-bob
[21:58] <Agent_bob> !theme
[21:58] <sigma_1234> nosrednaekim: i just want to use the window decorations
[21:58] <Agent_bob> !changethemes
[21:59] <Dystopian> ty ubottu
[21:59] <nosrednaekim> sigma_1234: grab kwin4 and run "kwin4 --replace"
[21:59] <Agent_bob> !thanks | Dystopian
[21:59] <sigma_1234> !info kwin4
[22:00] <Devourer> Agent_bob, didn't work. :'(
[22:00] <sigma_1234> nosrednaekim: what does that kwin4 do?
[22:00] <Agent_bob> if you select the right one it will.   try alsa
[22:00] <nosrednaekim> sigma_1234: uses kwin4 instead of kwin3
[22:01] <Devourer> Agent_bob, so I'm selecting output modules?
[22:01] <sigma_1234> nosrednaekim: and il still be able to run kde3 with it?
[22:01] <Agent_bob> nosrednaekim but both are listed as "kwin" are they not ?    cause there is a nomynclature problem there if not.
[22:02] <XyQrTw> I've some problems with my network.When i open a session, i must enable ethernet for the connection ...
[22:02] <Agent_bob> !info kwin4 | nosrednaekim
[22:02] <nosrednaekim> ooooh....  haha
[22:02] <Agent_bob> !info kwin4 dapper | nosrednaekim
[22:02] <nosrednaekim> you're right... its /usr/lib/kde4/bin/kwin
[22:03] <Agent_bob> there you go.
[22:03] <Ketrel> How do I change the KDM theme? I search the repository, but I can't seem to find the theme manager? (Hardy)
[22:03] <Agent_bob> !info kwin4 hoary
[22:03] <Agent_bob> why does that thing only show gutsy packages ?
[22:03] <LimCore> !info wesnoth
[22:04] <Agent_bob>               ^ (gutsy)
[22:04] <Ketrel> ignore my question for now, I think I found the answer
[22:04] <Agent_bob> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[22:04] <Agent_bob> too late.
[22:05] <XyQrTw> I've some problems with my network.When i open a session, i must enable ethernet for the connection ...
[22:06] <Devourer> Agent_bob, :(
[22:08] <Vermux> how do I find the smbpasswd data file?
[22:09] <shaffy> !kde4
[22:09] <Agent_bob> Vermux the docs ?   man pages maybe ?
[22:13] <Ketrel> Ok new question, I installed kdmtheme, is there anywhere in the GUI to run it? (so far kcmshell kdmtheme is the only way I found to run it)
[22:13] <jordi_> #ubuntu-cat
[22:14] <XyQrTw> How i can activate ethernet for each user who login a session in KDE ?
[22:15] <martijn81> XyQrTw: should be activated automaticly
[22:16] <XyQrTw> martijn81> yes
[22:17] <XyQrTw> martijn81> But i must click for activate ethernet
[22:17] <martijn81> XyQrTw: why is that not the case for me ?
[22:18] <Devourer> To see kanji in a text editor do I have to use unicode view or somethin'?
[22:18] <XyQrTw> martijn81> I dont know ...
[22:19] <ercan_> Hi, my update to hardy is hanging at "Stopping Bluetooth Services". Any ideas what I can do to get it going again.
[22:19] <martijn81> XyQrTw: i have a modem doing all the work for me
[22:23] <ercan_> anyone?
[22:23] <noisekiller> There is no decoder available... kubuntu 7.10 fresh installation
[22:23] <hume> hi...how do I configure compiz effects in kubuntu heron, KDE4?
[22:23] <hume> I have compiz-kde installed - but how do I enable it?
[22:25] <Odd-rationale> hume: open kmenu --> system --> desktop effects and choose your effect level and click apply
[22:26] <hume> ok... how do I know which effects are at each level?
[22:27] <nosrednaekim> hume: just select the highest :P
[22:27] <hume> and need I restart X to make them work?
[22:27] <nosrednaekim> you shouldn't, no
[22:27] <nosrednaekim> your windows should blink..
[22:27] <nosrednaekim> after hitting apply
[22:28] <hume> i click on "extra effects" and done, but makes no difference...?
[22:28] <hume> apply, i mean, then ok. but no change...?
[22:30] <nosrednaekim> ok, opne up a terminal and run "compiz --replace"
[22:31] <eatatjoes> can anyone help me with sharing folders from ubuntu to xp with vbox (i have ubuntu as host and xp as guest)
[22:31] <gromozekin> Hi there. I have  problem with dualcore
[22:32] <gromozekin> it doesnt shows at batterymenu
[22:32] <nosrednaekim> eatatjoes: no... just worked for me....
[22:32] <gromozekin> kernel - 2.6.25
[22:32] <eatatjoes> nosrednaekim, did u just have to click shared folders from the vbox window
[22:32] <eatatjoes> or did u have to do something within xp?
[22:32] <gromozekin> kubuntu 8.04, laptop, intel core2duo t5450
[22:32] <nosrednaekim> you have to do something within XP... its in the docs
[22:33] <hume> ok...thx
[22:34] <nosrednaekim> hume: don't close that terminal tho ;P
[22:34] <hume> cause then compiz closes?
[22:34] <gromozekin> hey nosrednaekim
[22:34] <hume> seems to be some problems with my graphics card, need to check that... this is a laptop
[22:35] <eatatjoes> nosrednaekim,  what docs?
[22:35] <nosrednaekim> hume: yes :)
[22:35] <nosrednaekim> eatatjoes: within Vbox
[22:45] <fuzzybyte> help! my kicker bar vanished in kde4! how do i get it back
[22:46] <fuzzybyte> i tried rebooting X but it doesnt come back
[22:46] <nosrednaekim> fuzzybyte: "killall plasma && rm .kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc && plasma"
[22:47] <fuzzybyte> it's a bug?
[22:48] <nosrednaekim> IDK... but that fixes it :)
[22:48] <fuzzybyte> this new kde4 GUI is so confusing.
[22:48] <nosrednaekim> :)
[22:49]  * genii sips his coffee
[22:49] <nosrednaekim> everything is really the same... you just can't do as much
[22:49] <superdude2435> my monitor is stuck in 640X480
[22:49] <superdude2435> just installed compiz and it worked fine
[22:49] <fuzzybyte> how do i get the start menu to act like old way?
[22:49] <superdude2435> until my computer chrashed
[22:50] <dwidmann> fuzzybyte: there's a plasmoid for that
[22:50] <nosrednaekim> fuzzybyte: remove the current one, and add "application menu launcher traditional" or something like that
[22:50] <fuzzybyte> how do i do that
[22:51] <superdude2435> uhg every thing is in 640x480
[22:51] <hume> hi again... now my window borders are crazy in KDE4 - suddenly they are red and very visible - the default almost borderless oxygen look is all gone - anyone could help me get it back?
[22:52] <hydrogen> fuzzybyte: you should be able to just right click on the icon
[22:52] <hydrogen> and switch
[22:52] <hydrogen> "Switch to classic menu style"
[22:53] <darky> hi
[22:53] <darky> Does anyone has a Geforce Nvidia here?
[22:53] <fuzzybyte> i have
[22:53] <hydrogen> !anyone
[22:53] <tiberius1701> i have also
[22:54] <darky> are you on Hardy heron?
[22:54] <darky> with the nvidia-glx driver?
[22:55] <genii> /msg ubotu !aptfix
[22:55] <genii> bah
[22:55] <fuzzybyte> how can i move those widgets in kicker
[22:55] <genii> Whats the bot called now?
[22:55] <tiberius1701> im on hardy and i have what ever diver it gave me when i installed
[22:55] <hume> i have "click for focus" marked, but focus follows mouse...anyone knows swhy?
[22:55] <martha505>     
[22:56] <nosrednaekim> hume: do you have "custom" elected in the desktop-effect manager
[22:57] <connor> whats the channel for compiz fusion?
[22:57] <nosrednaekim> connor: #compiz-fusion
[22:57] <hume> nosrednaekim, i uninstalled the compiz driver, it crashed my desktop... but the grayed out dot is on "extra"
[22:57] <genii> !aptfix
[22:58] <genii> OK two t's now in bot name
[22:58] <martha505> i opened katapult and the process is running but when i press alt+enter nothing happens
[22:58] <nosrednaekim> hume: and you are trying to use the ccsm?
[22:58] <martha505> why?
[22:58] <hume> nosrednaekim, the what?
[22:58] <nosrednaekim> hume: ok... you are still running compiz obviously..
[22:58] <Avgustin> hey... peoples, tell me please, who knows programm for ADSL connection to PPPoE protocol?
[22:59] <nosrednaekim> hume: run, form a run dialog, "kwin --replace"
[22:59] <hume> ok
[23:00] <hume> nosrednaekim, ok..that means that now it's kwin managing my desktop, earlier it was compiz...? is that right?
[23:01] <genii> Avgustin: pppoeconfig
[23:01] <nosrednaekim> right
[23:01] <genii> Avgustin: pppoeconf    rather
[23:01] <hume> phew
[23:01] <fuzzybyte> how can i get the kicker to auto-hide?
[23:02] <Avgustin> hume> thanks
[23:02] <Odd-rationale> fuzzybyte: kde3? yes
[23:03] <hume> nosrednaekim, another issue (or two): in KDE 3.5 I used to have an extra panel with icons for my favourite programs - how do I do that in KDE4?
[23:03] <Odd-rationale> fuzzybyte: Right-click panel --> Configure panel --> Hiding
[23:03] <fuzzybyte> kde4
[23:03] <fuzzybyte> there's no autohide option or anything here
[23:03] <Odd-rationale> fuzzybyte: dunno. try asking in #kubuntu-kde4
[23:03] <hydrogen> hume: you should be able to right click on the desktop and add panel.. I don't remember if that was backported to the 4.0 branch though
[23:03] <hydrogen> fuzzybyte: not possible
[23:03] <nosrednaekim> hume: you can't in kde4.0.3 (very easily at least) in 4.1 it will be possible
[23:04] <fuzzybyte> hydrogen: why?
[23:04] <patpond> anyone wanna give a n00b a helping hand ?  :D
[23:04] <nosrednaekim> hydrogen: it wasn't :(
[23:04] <hume> nosrednaekim, is there another way to manage the "favourite programs"?
[23:04] <patpond> I can't get vmware to work on kubuntu Hardy... :(
[23:05] <fuzzybyte> kde4 seems rather unfinished product
[23:05] <hydrogen> yes
[23:05] <hydrogen> It is
[23:05] <hydrogen> now that we've got that out of the way
[23:05] <Fa> yes
[23:05] <Fa> kde still has too many bugs
[23:05] <fuzzybyte> yea, im going back to kde3
[23:05] <nosrednaekim> hume: kickoff has a favorite applications thwt you can add things too... as does the traditional menu (wo which you can just add the favotite programs)
[23:06] <sloth> what is the command to open up control center?
[23:07] <hume> ok, thx
[23:07] <fuzzybyte> is there a easy way to revert back to kde3?
[23:07] <chisiyuan> sloth: run kcontrol
[23:08] <sloth> thank you
[23:08] <chisiyuan> sloth: np
[23:08] <nosrednaekim> fuzzybyte: yeah... "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[23:08] <hydrogen> systemsettings actually
[23:08] <hydrogen> is the reccomended way
[23:09] <jim> How do i update the system to the new ubuntu ?
[23:09] <hydrogen> jim: see the toipc
[23:10] <chisiyuan> jim:sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:10] <jim> Thanks
[23:10] <jim> will that also remove any of my files do you kow ?
[23:11] <nosrednaekim> jim: it depends on what method you use?
[23:11] <jim> umm
[23:11] <jim> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:11] <jim> that 1
[23:11] <jim> :)
[23:11] <hydrogen> thats not the recommended method
[23:11] <jim> hmm...
[23:12] <nosrednaekim> uhh without the "?" ;)
[23:12] <nosrednaekim> thats shouldn't remove any of your files.... but back them up anyway
[23:13] <jim> i was more thinking... will it remove compiz
[23:13] <Avgustin_> genii> tell me please, how can i run dsl connection after configured dsl-provider?
[23:13] <nosrednaekim> nope
[23:13] <jim> ahh good
[23:13] <jim> ill let you know how it goes
[23:14] <jim> how has the responce been with the new distro ?
[23:15] <jim> has it cleaned out a lot of the old buggs ?
[23:15] <nosrednaekim> and introdiced some new ones
[23:15] <Vermux> how do I restart Samba in Kubuntu?
[23:15] <nosrednaekim> !samba
[23:16] <jim> ok i did the sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and its finished
[23:16] <jim> do i reboot now ?
[23:17] <nosrednaekim> jim: I don't think that worked properly... better read all the instructions
[23:17] <Desmond> hey anyone know a slack support irc?
[23:17] <Desmond>  !slack
[23:17] <Desmond> !irc
[23:17] <nosrednaekim> slackware?
[23:17] <Desmond> yea
[23:17] <Desmond> lol
[23:17] <Desmond> im dualing
[23:18] <Desmond> kubuntu and slack
[23:18] <Desmond> and slack isnt a start-up choice
[23:19] <genii> Avgustin_: If you ran pppoeconf and it finished fine, you are now connected
[23:20] <nosrednaekim> Desmond: #slackware would be a channel I'd guess
[23:21] <Avgustin_> genii> not... i can't remote to any syte
[23:22] <chisiyuan> i hope jim has made it
[23:22] <Avgustin_> genii> do you speak russian? =)) but i bad know the english))
[23:24] <genii> Avgustin_: No, I do not speak russian :)              Try at command line: sudo pppoe-start
[23:24] <Walzmyn> where do i edit the grub boot list?
[23:24] <Avgustin_> genii> ok, i try
[23:24] <Dragnslcr> Walzmyn- /boot/grub/menu.lst
[23:25] <Walzmyn> Dragnslcr, thanks
[23:27] <jim> There is a bug in open office
[23:27] <LimCore> jim: there are tons of bugs
[23:27] <LimCore> jim: report it
[23:28] <jim> is there anyway i can get it working properly ?
[23:28] <Walzmyn> in Grub.lst I don't see any "default" option, I assumn the first one will be excuted as default?
[23:28] <LimCore> report bug and wait... or try other version, or google work around
[23:29] <Walzmyn> For some reason, mine is trying to open the openvz kernel which is locking up
[23:29] <chisiyuan> jim: maybe you can reinstall it. Be careful.
[23:29] <Walzmyn> jim what's the bug?
[23:31] <genii> Avgustin_: At this time I cannot be of much assistance. Please try instructions here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ADSLPPPoE
[23:38] <monkeypaw201> I installed Pidgin and tried connecting and it said Authorization Failed ... trying to connect to google chat... i checked online and went through troubleshooting... other IM accounts work.... any help?
[23:39] <James> greetings all
[23:39] <monkeypaw201> Hi James
[23:39] <GoldBug> ahh better
[23:39] <GoldBug> how are you
[23:39] <monkeypaw201> ;-|
[23:40] <GoldBug> sorry this is James laptop
[23:40] <monkeypaw201> fine, yourself? im just getting frustrated at Pidgin
[23:40] <GoldBug> well i just converted to kunbuntu today from XP
[23:40] <monkeypaw201> welcome!
[23:40] <monkeypaw201> congratz!
[23:40] <monkeypaw201> finally! :P
[23:40] <GoldBug> thanks^^
[23:40] <GoldBug> LOL
[23:40] <GoldBug> hey i am a gamer
[23:41] <GoldBug> so that has been the major reason for my not converting
[23:41] <monkeypaw201> you need help getting them running?
[23:41] <ScorpKing> i have about 40 packages that i want to copy to one directory from my local repo in /ubuntu/ .how can i use find and give it all the package names in one command so it will copy those to my home directory? will [ find -name "bash apt amarok konsole" | xargs cp /home/me/temp ] work?
[23:41] <GoldBug> but XP just got a virus and I don't have my disks for XP
[23:41] <GoldBug> so i thought what the hell
[23:41] <monkeypaw201> lol, you can easily re-install and run most games in ubuntu
[23:42] <GoldBug> so i downloaded it and installed it and now i am just trying to get everything configured properly
[23:42] <GoldBug> yea that is what i have been told and my reason for the conversion
[23:42] <monkeypaw201> scorpking, im not sure... sorry check in #ubuntu
[23:42] <Danish989>  Does anyone know how to fix the BusyBox problem yet? I installed Hardy Heron using WUBI inside Windows XP two days ago, and out of nowhere, now it refuses to boot and I'm stuck at the Busy Box command line ..... does anyone know what to do?
[23:42] <GoldBug> worse case senario i figgure i can just run xp in a VM
[23:42] <ScorpKing> monkeypaw201: np i'm reading the manual ;)
[23:43] <GoldBug> but right now i am having the WORSE time getting my video drivers to work properly
[23:43] <GoldBug> i have a 8600gts
[23:43] <monkeypaw201> easy
[23:43] <monkeypaw201> look in the upper-right corner
[23:43] <GoldBug> and my desktop is set to 640 by 48
[23:43] <monkeypaw201> next to the clock
[23:43] <Ketrel> If I want to chmod to be executable for all, I can do +x or 0111. If I wanted ot make it just executable for say group, I could do 0010, but how would I do that int he +x type syntax?
[23:44] <monkeypaw201> you should see something similar to an electronic card... just click on it and it should list all in-active / not-working drivers
[23:44] <SlimeyPete> g+x
[23:44] <GoldBug> k monkey i have the hardware driver up
[23:44] <Ketrel> SlimeyPete, so g is for group, what are the other two?
[23:44] <monkeypaw201> ok, now just click the driver and apply/install/ or something and it will go and install the linux driver for you
[23:45] <SlimeyPete> Ketrel: a, g, u and o if I remember correctly - all, group, user, owner
[23:45] <Ketrel> danke danke
[23:45] <GoldBug> did that already and that is what caused my desktop to go from 12X10 to 640X480
[23:45] <Dragnslcr> Ketrel- u is user, g is group, o is other
[23:45] <SlimeyPete> ah, other
[23:45] <SlimeyPete> makes more sense
[23:46] <monkeypaw201> hmm... what version area you running??
[23:46] <Ketrel> thanks :)
[23:46] <GoldBug> 8.04
[23:46] <GoldBug> the stable kde
[23:46] <GoldBug> 4
[23:46] <monkeypaw201> ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu?
[23:46] <GoldBug> kunbuntu
[23:47] <GoldBug> kubuntu*
[23:47] <darky> most users of this chanel are running kubuntu
[23:47] <monkeypaw201> hmm... strange im not really sure...
[23:47] <monkeypaw201> darky, i know.. im just making sure
[23:47] <GoldBug> Kubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron)
[23:47] <monkeypaw201> sorry Bug, im not sure
[23:47] <darky> did anyone try to install nvidia-glx-new for his geforce?
[23:47] <GoldBug> :'(
[23:48] <darky> because it doesn't work on my computer
[23:48] <darky> I'm running KDE4
[23:49] <BluesKaj> monkeypaw201, open konqueror and click on help / about kde
[23:51] <goldbug_> ok i am here on the kubutu box now
[23:51] <goldbug_> hmm
[23:52] <darky> can you help me with my graphic chipset please?
[23:52] <darky> Nvidia Geforce FX 5
[23:52] <goldbug_> hmm i am running an 8600gts
[23:52] <goldbug_> heh hopefully the solution can fix both of our problems
[23:52] <darky> with the appropriate driver or kubuntu's default driver?
[23:53] <goldbug_> heh the default driver worked better then the one that it downloaded for me
[23:53] <manux> 7list
[23:56] <darky> The one I downloaded doesn't work
[23:56] <darky> it shows wierd things, the screen turns to different collors
[23:56] <goldbug_> OH i should prolly mention that i am running the 64 bit version
[23:57] <VousDeux> hello: I just installed all of the updates, but now when I try to launch VMware I get this error: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libbonoboui-2.so.0: undefined symbol: g_once_init_enter_impl
[23:57] <VousDeux> any thoughts?
[23:58] <darky> ah in my case I am running the i686