[00:29] kwwii: I started to gather resources about dark themes bugs at http://rzr.online.fr/q/dark I'll keep you informed if it matters [00:37] RzR: let me take a look at that, 1s [00:38] RzR: that looks like a good start [00:38] RzR: I am sure that we can add to that [00:38] _MMA_ knows quite a few places [00:39] the important thing is that is has to be done in concert with the gnome people upstream or it will never work [00:39] much like the 2D panel icon stuff [00:39] anyway, I was almost in bed [00:40] well i am about to go on vacations for 10 days [00:40] tomorrow is a holiday here...see you soon [00:40] hehe [00:40] holidays are lovely [00:40] keep in touch, I think it is an interesting idea [00:40] i'll think about moving this draft somewhere more appropriate [00:41] the wiki would be a good place [00:41] but it'll takes time [00:41] sure [00:42] well that's a long fight against photons :) [00:42] but darkness will win it's sure [00:45] lol, right [00:54] jezz [00:54] i just reported a bug on wireshark [00:55] and there is a patch already [00:55] this sound promising [00:56] time for sleep here, 2am...see you soon [00:57] same here [00:57] CET [00:57] see ya [00:57] kwwii: last question ? [00:58] kwwii: is it ok to forward darkmen here ? [00:58] <_MMA_> Who or what is that? [00:59] darthemes users / bug hunters [01:00] <_MMA_> damianvila: You not using Linux? :) Unless Miranda now has a nix client. :P [01:01] <_MMA_> RzR: "darthemes" I'm sorry. I'm not up on that term. [01:01] we talked about it few hours ago [01:01] see [01:01] http://rzr.online.fr/q/dark [01:03] <_MMA_> RzR: I think it's best you head up this. [01:03] <_MMA_> If you make this channel a point of contact, people should look for you. [01:04] or other pple intressed into eye candy ... [01:04] <_MMA_> Im not sure exactly what you're trying to accomplish. [01:05] <_MMA_> Just making apps more "dark theme" compliant? [01:05] yes [01:05] <_MMA_> Then you need to be the point of contact. [01:05] <_MMA_> Otherwise people will come in looking for answers and people here will have no clue. [01:06] ok if it doesnt ruin my life i can manage this [01:06] <_MMA_> Well then honestly I wouldn't start something and dump it here if you can head it up. [01:06] <_MMA_> s/can/can't [01:07] no actually i dont know if this topic is interessing pple or not [01:07] and I cant run a irc desk 24*7 [01:08] <_MMA_> Then I wouldn't make this channel or mailing list a point of contact. [01:08] but I remove the irc references on my page .. [01:08] the point of contact is me actually [01:09] <_MMA_> Sure. I just said don't make it just the channel. :) [01:10] it never was [01:10] <_MMA_> "RzR: kwwii: is it ok to forward darkmen here ?" That implies you wanted to. I just said not to. ;) [01:12] the job will be fun when pple start complaining about closed source applications :) [01:13] <_MMA_> RzR@#ubuntu-artwork is fine but you said you didn't have the time to be here. So that actually a little unfair to people reading you wiki and to people here. Honestly if you don't have the time I wouldn't start this. [01:14] Hi _MMA_ and everybody [01:14] No, not on Ubuntu right now. Using XP actually [01:15] <_MMA_> damianvila: I loved Miranda. I wish I could still use it. [01:16] _MMA_: Fact is, when you want to fine tune a CSS, you better have good acces to all the browser engine, and I have it easy using XP for that [01:17] _MMA_: ok I understand no pb , you might be busy with other project too [01:17] Yep. Adjusting some CSS for a popular site here in Spain :-) [01:18] _MMA_: BTW, I am thinking now, transparents icons on dark background may cause trouble too no ? [01:23] So, what's going on here? Do we have the default theme for Intrepid yet? :-D [01:24] <_MMA_> RzR: Correct. [01:24] <_MMA_> damianvila: I get ya. [01:25] <_MMA_> Brown=poop [01:25] <_MMA_> Blue WTW!! [01:25] lol [01:25] <_MMA_> ;) [01:26] I have a cool *alternative* idea for wallpapers, but I need to discuss it with Troy first :-P [01:26] <_MMA_> pfftt... What does he know. [01:26] lol [01:27] How's Studio doing? [01:31] Gimmmmme the default!!!!!! I want the defaaaaaault!!!!! lol [01:35] D-E-F-A-U-L-T [01:35] <_MMA_> damianvila: Studio is going well. [01:35] Find out what it means to me... [01:35] <_MMA_> Kinda takin' a break ATM. [01:36] Oh!, cool [01:36] <_MMA_> You sir, are not Aretha Franklin. ;) [01:36] lol [01:36] ;-) [01:37] D-E-F-A-U-L-T [01:37] <_MMA_> damianvila: We're waiting on the Intrepid stuff to get in place for the technical bits. I have some ideas art-wise. [01:37] Take care, kwwii lol [01:37] <_MMA_> But not anything solid yet. Ill do that after UDS. [01:41] Any hints so far from sabdfl about what he wants (art-wise) for Intrepid? [01:41] <_MMA_> Won't likely happen 'till after UDS. [01:41] K [01:41] <_MMA_> So 3 weeks or so. [01:42] Where is it? (UDS) [01:43] <_MMA_> Prague [01:44] Oh! If they ever make one in Madrid I could attend... :-P [01:44] <_MMA_> They did. (I think) [01:45] Really? [01:45] <_MMA_> Thought so. I'm gonna go to Dublin after Prague to hang out with Luis. (another Spaniard) [01:46] Cool [01:47] <_MMA_> damianvila: He was that guy we realized was like a block or 2 from you. [01:47] I want to travel to Germany sometime. Czech Republic too. [01:47] <_MMA_> Germany would be cool. [01:47] _MMA_: Oh!, yes, I remember him. [01:48] <_MMA_> Yeah. He got a job with Sun in Dublin. [01:48] <_MMA_> Well, paid internship rather. [01:48] Nice [05:29] _MMA_: 67 MESSAGES! I HATE YOU. [05:37] <_MMA_> troy_s: It ain't all me. :) [05:37] _MMA_: ITS YOU [05:37] _MMA_: YOU KNOW ITS YOU [05:37] _MMA_: Not to mention that I swear in two days I have 200 emails with the same subject "STOP TOP POSTING" [05:37] lol [05:38] <_MMA_> hahahaha. Well. The kids are arseholes. :) [05:40] _MMA_: Well you are one of those kids... So your estimate would be spot on. ;) Of course, you already know this. [05:41] <_MMA_> Pfftt... [06:17] Heh, those people complaining about too much whitespace on their panels..... [06:17] show them MY panel. Got not whitespace? [07:40] so anything new? what wasnt in hardy is going to be worked on for Intrepid? [10:41] Hi [10:41] _MMA_, ping [10:42] kwwii, ping [10:42] Is there a tools that automatically generates the gnome themes ? [10:43] or one that allows users to customize those imported themes ? [10:45] good morning nand [10:47] thorwil: good morning! [10:47] * thorwil is at the drawing board [10:48] is it national holiday day for you too? [10:48] cool :) [10:48] jepp === rZr is now known as rZZZr [12:27] good day all [14:58] Hello. [14:59] When ubuntu developers say that we can submit our work, what kind of "work" do they mean? [14:59] I mean like, in what format? Ideas, sketches etc..? [14:59] yes yes, that too [15:00] what do u mean that too [15:00] ? [15:00] :s [15:00] What do they exactly want us to submit? [15:01] mysterycool: depends on what you want to work on and how far is developed [15:01] hmm, so u mean I could suggest ideas etc..? [15:01] mysterycool: you sure can. but you know that basic ideas are cheap and plenty, right? ;) [15:02] erm... [15:02] XD [15:02] and btw, whats the UTC time anyway? :S [15:02] i mean, what timezone does it follow? [15:03] mysterycool: it's the zero timezone, the mother, the origin, the center of the timezone universe, where everything starts [15:03] o_O [15:03] u mean greenwich timezone? XD [15:03] yes, for all i know they are identical [15:03] formerly known as GMT [15:04] yes [15:05] <_MMA_> I *think* there is a time of year where they are an hour out of sync but I can't remember for sure. [15:05] hmm [15:05] shoot, lost today's meeting =[ [15:06] which one? [15:06] _MMA_: i would like to punch all the people responsible for daylight savings time :> [15:07] <_MMA_> :P [15:07] XD [15:07] :p [15:07] lol [15:07] XD [15:08] <_MMA_> Couldn't that have been on 1 line? ;) [15:08] details XD :p [15:53] btw, today is a holiday here so I am not around :p [15:54] <_MMA_> kwwii: [15:55] * _MMA_ doesn't have his creative wit happening today. [15:59] just today? [16:04] <_MMA_> Yes. [16:12] what is all the talk of _MMA_ having a supposed wit? nonsense! [16:13] <_MMA_> kwwii: Aren't you supposed to be drinkin' a beer or something? [16:14] I just rode 15 miles on my bike, no thanks on the beer [16:15] actually, I just lit the fire in the grill [16:15] we gonna have us a bar-b-q :-) [16:18] <_MMA_> kwwii: Nice. [16:50] _MMA_, Did you see my latest blog post? [16:50] <_MMA_> I think it's safe to assume if its on Planet most people would. :) [16:51] thorwil: hey, thanks! I answered on the ML [16:51] _MMA_, :P [17:04] hello :) [17:06] hello all [17:09] <_MMA_> hi [17:14] :( [17:14] seems that a lot of people are use to build linux artwork by copying proprietary os policy :( [17:15] :)) [17:15] at least they do not use windows tools for that... or am i wrong? :)) [18:01] saltedlight, for artwork creating? I use windows tools [18:02] Too bad there's no equivalent of "SkinStudio" for GTK themes. [18:08] can i see some of the stuff you guys have created? [18:08] see what i'm up against, heheh [18:10] <_MMA_> Some of mine: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork [18:11] <_MMA_> thorwil: You done any metacity hacking? [18:38] _MMA_: nope [18:41] <_MMA_> np. I got it sorted anyway. I needed to remove the app menu usually in the top left. [19:19] <_MMA_> Can one override button_layout in Metacity with settings metacity-theme-1.xml? [19:43] <_MMA_> damianvila: You ever hack on Metacity? [19:45] No, frankly speaking, I'm just a designer, I don't have lots of technical knowledge and only deal with technical details if I'm obligued to. [19:45] <_MMA_> Ok. :) [19:47] I have enough knowledge so as to know what's possible and what not, but I get bored if I delve into technicalities :-P [19:47] * _MMA_ is delving into technicalities. [19:48] That's why I tend to have lots of friends who know how to code :-D [19:48] <_MMA_> Nice resource: http://developer.gnome.org/doc/tutorials/metacity/metacity-themes.html [19:50] Wow!, cool! [19:50] Doesn't look too difficult at all. [19:50] In fact, I work a lot with XML at my work. [19:50] <_MMA_> Makes looking at one you're working with easier to understand. [19:51] Yep [19:51] You know if it's difficult to add a tab to the GNOME Theme manager? [19:52] Like they did with the "Effects" Compiz tab for Ubutu? [19:52] *Ubuntu [19:52] <_MMA_> damianvila: I think it requires writing C code. Would be a patch to the source. [19:53] _MMA_: Oh!, i supposed it involved something like that :-P [19:53] Have to talk to the GNOME guys then... [19:55] <_MMA_> damianvila: Im really just guessing. :) I wouldnt think it was python or something. [19:56] OK :-) === Dana1 is now known as DanaG [23:45] where is the website for the theme that's in development? [23:46] like for intrepid? [23:56] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid