[00:29] <RzR> kwwii: I started to gather resources about dark themes bugs at http://rzr.online.fr/q/dark I'll keep you informed if it matters
[00:37] <kwwii> RzR: let me take a look at that, 1s
[00:38] <kwwii> RzR: that looks like a good start
[00:38] <kwwii> RzR: I am sure that we can add to that
[00:38] <kwwii> _MMA_ knows quite a few places
[00:39] <kwwii> the important thing is that is has to be done in concert with the gnome people upstream or it will never work
[00:39] <kwwii> much like the 2D panel icon stuff
[00:39] <kwwii> anyway, I was almost in bed
[00:40] <RzR> well i am about to go on vacations for 10 days
[00:40] <kwwii> tomorrow is a holiday here...see you soon
[00:40] <kwwii> hehe
[00:40] <kwwii> holidays are lovely
[00:40] <kwwii> keep in touch, I think it is an interesting idea
[00:40] <RzR> i'll think about moving this draft somewhere more appropriate
[00:41] <kwwii> the wiki would be a good place
[00:41] <RzR> but it'll takes time
[00:41] <kwwii> sure
[00:42] <RzR> well that's a long fight against photons :)
[00:42] <RzR> but darkness will win it's sure
[00:45] <kwwii> lol, right
[00:54] <RzR> jezz
[00:54] <RzR> i just reported a bug on wireshark
[00:55] <RzR> and there is a patch already
[00:55] <RzR> this sound promising
[00:56] <kwwii> time for sleep here, 2am...see you soon
[00:57] <RzR> same here
[00:57] <RzR> CET
[00:57] <RzR> see ya
[00:57] <RzR> kwwii: last question ?
[00:58] <RzR> kwwii: is it ok to forward darkmen here ?
[00:58] <_MMA_> Who or what is that?
[00:59] <RzR> darthemes users / bug hunters
[01:00] <_MMA_> damianvila: You not using Linux? :) Unless ﻿Miranda now has a nix client. :P
[01:01] <_MMA_> RzR: "﻿darthemes" I'm sorry. I'm not up on that term.
[01:01] <RzR> we talked about it few hours ago
[01:01] <RzR> see
[01:01] <RzR> http://rzr.online.fr/q/dark
[01:03] <_MMA_> RzR: I think it's best you head up this.
[01:03] <_MMA_> If you make this channel a point of contact, people should look for you.
[01:04] <RzR> or other pple intressed into eye candy ...
[01:04] <_MMA_> Im not sure exactly what you're trying to accomplish.
[01:05] <_MMA_> Just making apps more "dark theme" compliant?
[01:05] <RzR> yes
[01:05] <_MMA_> Then you need to be the point of contact.
[01:05] <_MMA_> Otherwise people will come in looking for answers and people here will have no clue.
[01:06] <RzR> ok if it doesnt ruin my life i can manage this
[01:06] <_MMA_> Well then honestly I wouldn't start something and dump it here if you can head it up.
[01:06] <_MMA_> s/can/can't
[01:07] <RzR> no actually i dont know if this topic is interessing pple or not
[01:07] <RzR> and I cant run a irc desk 24*7
[01:08] <_MMA_> Then I wouldn't make this channel or mailing list a point of contact.
[01:08] <RzR> but I remove the irc references on my page ..
[01:08] <RzR> the point of contact is me actually
[01:09] <_MMA_> Sure. I just said don't make it just the channel. :)
[01:10] <RzR> it never was
[01:10] <_MMA_> "﻿RzR: kwwii: is it ok to forward darkmen here ?" That implies you wanted to. I just said not to. ;)
[01:12] <RzR> the job will be fun when pple start complaining  about closed source applications :)
[01:13] <_MMA_> RzR@#ubuntu-artwork is fine but you said you didn't have the time to be here. So that actually a little unfair to people reading you wiki and to people here. Honestly if you don't have the time I wouldn't start this.
[01:14] <damianvila> Hi _MMA_ and everybody
[01:14] <damianvila> No, not on Ubuntu right now. Using XP actually
[01:15] <_MMA_> damianvila: I loved ﻿Miranda. I wish I could still use it.
[01:16] <damianvila> _MMA_: Fact is, when you want to fine tune a CSS, you better have good acces to all the browser engine, and I have it easy using XP for that
[01:17] <RzR> _MMA_: ok I understand no pb , you might be busy with other project too
[01:17] <damianvila> Yep. Adjusting some CSS for a popular site here in Spain :-)
[01:18] <RzR> _MMA_: BTW, I am thinking now, transparents icons on dark background may cause trouble too no ?
[01:23] <damianvila> So, what's going on here? Do we have the default theme for Intrepid yet? :-D
[01:24] <_MMA_> RzR: Correct.
[01:24] <_MMA_> damianvila: I get ya.
[01:25] <_MMA_> Brown=poop
[01:25] <_MMA_> Blue WTW!!
[01:25] <damianvila> lol
[01:25] <_MMA_> ;)
[01:26] <damianvila> I have a cool *alternative* idea for wallpapers, but I need to discuss it with Troy first :-P
[01:26] <_MMA_> pfftt... What does he know.
[01:26] <damianvila> lol
[01:27] <damianvila> How's Studio doing?
[01:31] <damianvila> Gimmmmme the default!!!!!! I want the defaaaaaault!!!!! lol
[01:35] <damianvila> D-E-F-A-U-L-T
[01:35] <_MMA_> damianvila: Studio is going well.
[01:35] <damianvila> Find out what it means to me...
[01:35] <_MMA_> Kinda takin' a break ATM.
[01:36] <damianvila> Oh!, cool
[01:36] <_MMA_> You sir, are not Aretha Franklin. ;)
[01:36] <damianvila> lol
[01:36] <damianvila> ;-)
[01:37] <damianvila> D-E-F-A-U-L-T
[01:37] <_MMA_> damianvila: We're waiting on the Intrepid stuff to get in place for the technical bits. I have some ideas art-wise.
[01:37] <damianvila> Take care, kwwii lol
[01:37] <_MMA_> But not anything solid yet. Ill do that after UDS.
[01:41] <damianvila> Any hints so far from sabdfl about what he wants (art-wise) for Intrepid?
[01:41] <_MMA_> Won't likely happen 'till after UDS.
[01:41] <damianvila> K
[01:41] <_MMA_> So 3 weeks or so.
[01:42] <damianvila> Where is it? (UDS)
[01:43] <_MMA_> Prague
[01:44] <damianvila> Oh! If they ever make one in Madrid I could attend... :-P
[01:44] <_MMA_> They did. (I think)
[01:45] <damianvila> Really?
[01:45] <_MMA_> Thought so. I'm gonna go to Dublin after Prague to hang out with Luis. (another Spaniard)
[01:46] <damianvila> Cool
[01:47] <_MMA_> damianvila: He was that guy we realized was like a block or 2 from you.
[01:47] <damianvila> I want to travel to Germany sometime. Czech Republic too.
[01:47] <_MMA_> Germany would be cool.
[01:47] <damianvila> _MMA_: Oh!, yes, I remember him.
[01:48] <_MMA_> Yeah. He got a job with Sun in Dublin.
[01:48] <_MMA_> Well, paid internship rather.
[01:48] <damianvila> Nice
[05:29] <troy_s> _MMA_: 67 MESSAGES!  I HATE YOU.
[05:37] <_MMA_> troy_s: It ain't all me. :)
[05:37] <troy_s> _MMA_: ITS YOU
[05:37] <troy_s> _MMA_: YOU KNOW ITS YOU
[05:37] <troy_s> _MMA_: Not to mention that I swear in two days I have 200 emails with the same subject "STOP TOP POSTING"
[05:37] <troy_s> lol
[05:38] <_MMA_> hahahaha. Well. The kids are arseholes. :)
[05:40] <troy_s> _MMA_: Well you are one of those kids... So your estimate would be spot on.  ;) Of course, you already know this.
[05:41] <_MMA_> Pfftt...
[06:17] <DanaG> Heh, those people complaining about too much whitespace on their panels.....
[06:17] <DanaG> show them MY panel.  Got not whitespace?
[07:40] <coz_> so anything new?  what wasnt in hardy is going to be worked on for Intrepid?
[10:41] <phoenix24_> Hi
[10:41] <phoenix24_> _MMA_,  ping
[10:42] <phoenix24_> kwwii, ping
[10:42] <phoenix24_> Is there a tools that automatically generates the gnome themes ?
[10:43] <phoenix24_> or one that allows users to customize those imported themes ?
[10:45] <thorwil> good morning nand
[10:47] <nand> thorwil: good morning!
[10:47]  * thorwil is at the drawing board
[10:48] <nand> is it national holiday day for you too?
[10:48] <nand> cool :)
[10:48] <thorwil> jepp
[12:27] <coz_> good day all
[14:58] <mysterycool> Hello.
[14:59] <mysterycool> When ubuntu developers say that we can submit our work, what kind of "work" do they mean?
[14:59] <mysterycool> I mean like, in what format? Ideas, sketches etc..?
[14:59] <thorwil> yes yes, that too
[15:00] <mysterycool> what do u mean that too
[15:00] <mysterycool> ?
[15:00] <mysterycool> :s
[15:00] <mysterycool> What do they exactly want us to submit?
[15:01] <thorwil> mysterycool: depends on what you want to work on and how far is developed
[15:01] <mysterycool> hmm, so u mean I could suggest ideas etc..?
[15:01] <thorwil> mysterycool: you sure can. but you know that basic ideas are cheap and plenty, right? ;)
[15:02] <mysterycool> erm...
[15:02] <mysterycool> XD
[15:02] <mysterycool> and btw, whats the UTC time anyway? :S
[15:02] <mysterycool> i mean, what timezone does it follow?
[15:03] <thorwil> mysterycool: it's the zero timezone, the mother, the origin, the center of the timezone universe, where everything starts
[15:03] <mysterycool> o_O
[15:03] <mysterycool> u mean greenwich timezone? XD
[15:03] <thorwil> yes, for all i know they are identical
[15:03] <thorwil> formerly known as GMT
[15:04] <mysterycool> yes
[15:05] <_MMA_> I *think* there is a time of year where they are an hour out of sync but I can't remember for sure.
[15:05] <mysterycool> hmm
[15:05] <mysterycool> shoot, lost today's meeting =[
[15:06] <thorwil> which one?
[15:06] <thorwil> _MMA_: i would like to punch all the people responsible for daylight savings time :>
[15:07] <_MMA_> :P
[15:07] <mysterycool> XD
[15:07] <mysterycool> :p
[15:07] <mysterycool> lol
[15:07] <mysterycool> XD
[15:08] <_MMA_> Couldn't that have been on 1 line? ;)
[15:08] <mysterycool> details XD :p
[15:53] <kwwii> btw, today is a holiday here so I am not around :p
[15:54] <_MMA_> kwwii: <insert smart-ass comment here>
[15:55]  * _MMA_ doesn't have his creative wit happening today.
[15:59] <thorwil> just today?
[16:04] <_MMA_> Yes.
[16:12] <kwwii> what is all the talk of _MMA_ having a supposed wit? nonsense!
[16:13] <_MMA_> kwwii: Aren't you supposed to be drinkin' a beer or something?
[16:14] <kwwii> I just rode 15 miles on my bike, no thanks on the beer
[16:15] <kwwii> actually, I just lit the fire in the grill
[16:15] <kwwii> we gonna have us a bar-b-q :-)
[16:18] <_MMA_> kwwii: Nice.
[16:50] <cody-somerville> _MMA_, Did you see my latest blog post?
[16:50] <_MMA_> I think it's safe to assume if its on Planet most people would. :)
[16:51] <nand> thorwil: hey, thanks! I answered on the ML
[16:51] <cody-somerville> _MMA_, :P
[17:04] <saltedlight> hello :)
[17:06] <coz_> hello all
[17:09] <_MMA_> hi
[17:14] <bersace> :(
[17:14] <bersace> seems that a lot of people are use to build linux artwork by copying proprietary os policy :(
[17:15] <saltedlight> :))
[17:15] <saltedlight> at least they do not use windows tools for that... or am i wrong? :))
[18:01] <coz_> saltedlight,  for artwork creating?  I use windows tools
[18:02] <DanaG> Too bad there's no equivalent of "SkinStudio" for GTK themes.
[18:08] <gaurav_> can i see some of the stuff you guys have created?
[18:08] <gaurav_> see what i'm up against, heheh
[18:10] <_MMA_> Some of mine: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork
[18:11] <_MMA_> thorwil: You done any metacity hacking?
[18:38] <thorwil> _MMA_: nope
[18:41] <_MMA_> np. I got it sorted anyway. I needed to remove the app menu usually in the top left.
[19:19] <_MMA_> ﻿Can one override button_layout in Metacity with settings metacity-theme-1.xml?
[19:43] <_MMA_> damianvila: You ever hack on Metacity?
[19:45] <damianvila> No, frankly speaking, I'm just a designer, I don't have lots of technical knowledge and only deal with technical details if I'm obligued to.
[19:45] <_MMA_> Ok. :)
[19:47] <damianvila> I have enough knowledge so as to know what's possible and what not, but I get bored if I delve into technicalities :-P
[19:47]  * _MMA_ is ﻿delving into technicalities.
[19:48] <damianvila> That's why I tend to have lots of friends who know how to code :-D
[19:48] <_MMA_> Nice resource: http://developer.gnome.org/doc/tutorials/metacity/metacity-themes.html
[19:50] <damianvila> Wow!, cool!
[19:50] <damianvila> Doesn't look too difficult at all.
[19:50] <damianvila> In fact, I work a lot with XML at my work.
[19:50] <_MMA_> Makes looking at one you're working with easier to understand.
[19:51] <damianvila> Yep
[19:51] <damianvila> You know if it's difficult to add a tab to the GNOME Theme manager?
[19:52] <damianvila> Like they did with the "Effects" Compiz tab for Ubutu?
[19:52] <damianvila> *Ubuntu
[19:52] <_MMA_> damianvila: I think it requires writing C code. Would be a patch to the source.
[19:53] <damianvila> _MMA_: Oh!, i supposed it involved something like that :-P
[19:53] <damianvila> Have to talk to the GNOME guys then...
[19:55] <_MMA_> damianvila: Im really just guessing. :) I wouldnt think it was python or something.
[19:56] <damianvila> OK :-)
[23:45] <marcusrussi> where is the website for the theme that's in development?
[23:46] <marcusrussi> like for intrepid?
[23:56] <damianvila> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid