[00:49] <ogasawara> kees:  I was able to reproduce 190329.  I'm currently waiting for the kernel to finish building with the patch to hopefully resolve it.  I gotta jam out of here for a second before the build will likely finish but I'll ping you with the results.
[01:01] <kees> ogasawara: okay, cool.  if so, we can put it into the hardy security update (that doesn't exist yet)
[02:43] <ffm> When's the next hug/bug day schedueled?
[02:44] <ffm> Wiki says "The next Hug Day is scheduled for Tuesday, April 29, 2008. "
[02:44] <ffm> That's yesterday.
[03:34] <ffm> How do I report issues with the ubuntu website itself?
[03:36] <pedro_> ffm: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+filebug <- there
[03:36] <ffm> pedro_: thanks
[03:36] <pedro_> you're welcome
[03:42] <ffm> So, whens the next Hug Day?
[03:44] <pedro_> probably next Tuesday (May 06)
[03:44] <ffm> pedro_: Also, what;s the place to report release notes bugs?
[03:44] <pedro_> but every day is good for working on bugs so if you want to triage and have any doubt just ask here in the channel
[03:44] <ffm> pedro_: Will it ever be a thursday, friday, saturday, or sunday?
[03:45] <ffm> pedro_: kk.
[03:45] <pedro_> ffm: yep, we have 2 hug days a week, one the tuesday and another one on thursdays
[03:45] <pedro_> we didn't have one last weeks because of the hardy release
[03:46] <pedro_> but i'm pretty sure we're going to have at least one next week
[03:46] <ffm> pedro_: So, is there one tomorrow?
[03:47] <pedro_> i don't think there's one planned for tomorrow, no
[03:48] <ffm> In Bug #224171 , what package should that be? It's an issue in the release notes (website maybe?).
[03:49] <ffm> pedro_: I'd set priority to High by the way, that's a big undocumented change.
[03:52] <pedro_> i think it's better to assign it to mdadm in case they don't know about it
[03:53] <ffm> pedro_: mdadm?
[03:53] <ffm> madame?
[03:54] <pedro_> haha
[03:54] <pedro_> the package of mdadm.conf
[03:56] <ffm> No idea what package that belongso.
[03:56] <ffm> to.
[03:57] <pedro_> "mdadm"
[03:58] <ffm> pedro_: I'll do both.
[03:58] <ffm> pedro_: Good thing I've been triaging, I was about to upgrade my school-s power-edge RAID server from dapper...
[04:07] <ffm> Can someone mark this as whishlist? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/223524
[04:08] <ffm> pedro_: ^^^
[04:08] <pedro_> oh sorry
[04:08] <pedro_> yeah let me do it
[04:10] <ffm> pedro_: Thanks.
[04:12] <pedro_> you're welcome
[05:33] <InsClusoe> Hi all...
[05:33] <InsClusoe> I was looking at bug #221525. It seems to be wrongly marked as duplicate of bug #216266. It looks more like a duplicate of bug #195434.
[05:34] <InsClusoe> It will be great if somebody can confirm.
[05:56] <InsClusoe> Hello... anybody there?
[08:56] <kblin> hi folks
[12:59] <secretlondon> james_w Just read your email re: testing. You make it sound like there is overlap between bug work and testing
[13:00] <james_w> secretlondon: the one I sent a moment ago?
[13:00] <secretlondon> james_w I don't think I'm experienced enough for that yet. I think my next step will be to do motu beginner type jobs
[13:00] <secretlondon> james_w yes
[13:01] <james_w> Can you explain how I gave that impression?
[13:01] <james_w> The QA team does include people who work mainly on bugs, so I think there is an overlap.
[13:02] <secretlondon> james_ w https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Roles, Kernel bug first-response, and the fact that you said the qa team live in -testing
[13:03] <james_w> ah, true. There is definitely overlap I guess. I probably should have mentioned #ubuntu-bugs as well.
[13:03] <james_w> Do you think I need to clarify something in the mail?
[13:04] <secretlondon> I'm not exactly sure what the qa team do, that bug-control don't
[13:05] <james_w> bugcontrol is supposed to be part of the wider QA team I think, even if it's not reflected in group memberships.
[13:05] <secretlondon> james_w I wonder whether promoting the qa team on Ubuntu women may be too advanced. Most people on the list are users, not contributors. You seem to need to be a pretty strong contributor to be part of qa
[13:06] <james_w> secretlondon: point taken. It's rare to get these roles outlined like this though, so I thought I would take advantage of that though.
[13:07] <secretlondon> cool
[13:07]  * secretlondon generally makes her own jobs, looking for unloved bits
[13:07] <james_w> yep, that's a great way to do it.
[13:07] <james_w> do you think a mention of bugcontrol in response to the mail would be a good thing?
[13:08] <secretlondon> I think a mention of entry level stuff would be good
[13:08] <secretlondon> bug control isn't entry level either
[13:08] <secretlondon> and hug days as a good 1st step
[13:09] <james_w> would you like to write something explaining about hug days, bugsquad and bugcontrol in response?
[13:09] <secretlondon> okay, but I have to go out very soon
[13:10] <secretlondon> I personally didn't know about the qa team, so it's useful for me!
[13:10] <secretlondon> I've book marked their wiki pages
[13:10] <james_w> great, thanks.
[13:10] <james_w> I think the forums role doesn't require too much knowledge, certainly to get started.
[13:11] <secretlondon> true
[13:11] <secretlondon> but it's a big job I imagine
[13:11] <james_w> oh yeah
[13:12] <james_w> but even starting to do a little bit would be a great help. It seems like there's loads of information on the forums related to QA, and I'm not sure how much flows back.
[13:13] <secretlondon> There is loads on unofficial channels. I see refs to bugs on twitter even
[13:15] <secretlondon> james_w oh btw do you know what bzr error 104 is? I get it from the 5-a-day applet
[13:16] <james_w> secretlondon: yeah, thekorn asked me about that, I don't know I'm afraid, I didn't think it gave any error codes over 4, but maybe I misunderstand.
[13:17] <james_w> The traceback about not having an address associated with a name is weird as well, I assume you have no trouble accessing launchpad otherwise?
[13:17] <secretlondon> okay. I think it may be my ISP
[13:17] <secretlondon> I think bzr and vodafone may not be compatible, even though I've got rid of the filter
[13:17] <secretlondon> james_w no problems at all
[13:18] <secretlondon> unless it is confused by the fact that I use wvdial for connectivity
[13:18] <secretlondon> but everything else copes, except nm
[13:18] <james_w> it shouldn't be, but it's a possibility.
[13:19] <james_w> can you "ssh bazaar.launchpad.net"?
[13:19] <secretlondon> permission denied, ssh key error
[13:19] <secretlondon> Launchpad user 'secret' doesn't have a registered SSH key
[13:19] <secretlondon> secret is my login on this box
[13:20] <james_w> secretlondon is your lp id?
[13:20] <secretlondon> yes
[13:20] <james_w> does "ssh secretlondon@bazaar.launchpad.net" work?
[13:20] <secretlondon> Launchpad user 'secret' doesn't have a registered SSH key
[13:20] <secretlondon> secret@celery:~$ ssh bazaar.launchpad.net -l secretlondon
[13:20] <secretlondon> No shells on this server.
[13:20] <secretlondon> Connection to bazaar.launchpad.net closed.
[13:21] <secretlondon> secret@celery:~$ ssh secretlondon@bazaar.launchpad.net
[13:21] <secretlondon> No shells on this server.
[13:21] <secretlondon> Connection to bazaar.launchpad.net closed.
[13:21] <james_w> secretlondon: that's ok, it only lets bzr log in for security, it shows that it works though, so I'm not sure what the problem is.
[13:23] <secretlondon> ok
[14:07] <freetown> it appears to me that ppp is broken on hardy heron. pppd does not update resolv.conf with the name server information it gets nor does it run ip-up.local or perhaps any of those scripts
[14:08] <james_w> freetown: is there a bug reported in launchpad? Just telling us in here means that it will get lost and won't get acted upon
[14:08] <freetown> looking
[14:11] <freetown> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ppp/+bug/75218 seems to describe what i see but that was filed against 6.07 and marked undecided
[14:13] <freetown> is ubottu a bot?
[14:13] <laga> yes
[14:13] <freetown> ah
[14:13] <freetown> francais, bugs. neat
[14:15] <james_w> freetown: does it work if you install resolvconf?
[14:15] <freetown> no bug report related to ip-up.local. I guess I will have to file one? But it appears to be related to pppd not running any scripts at all after establishing a connection.
[14:16] <freetown> james_w, hold on
[14:27] <|chris_t|> ?
[14:31] <james_w> Is there a wiki page on debugging wireless driver problems?
[14:32] <qense> I don't think so
[14:32] <qense> we really should have such a page
[14:32] <qense> more and more people are using wirelss
[14:32] <james_w> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingNetworkManager is reasonably helpful
[14:33] <qense> but drivers are often kernel modules
[14:33] <james_w> yup
[14:34] <james_w> I'm going for lunch in a local cafe where wireless didn't work last time, so I want to debug it. I won't have a second machine, so I'm trying to load up on information first.
[14:36] <qense> i think /var/log contains some useful information
[14:36] <qense> lspci of course
[14:36] <qense> dmidecode?
[14:36] <qense> dmesg?
[14:38] <james_w> I'
[14:38] <james_w> I'll try them, thanks.
[14:39] <kblin> ah, rats.
[14:40] <kblin> I hate to file dups.
[14:43] <freetown> james_w, after installing resolvconf, do i need to run pppoeconf again or something? if not...installing resolvconf does not fix the zero update resolv.conf by pppd problem
[14:44] <freetown> james_w, file generated by resolvconf...but empty
[14:47] <james_w> freetown: I don't know I'm afraid it was just mentioned in the bug report you linked to.
[14:48] <james_w> have you tried running pppoeconf again?
[14:57] <freetown> anybody here who understands the intricracies between pppd, pppoe, resolv.conf and resolvconf?
[15:09] <ogra> freetown, is usepeerdns set in your config  ?
[15:09] <ogra> (you dont need resolvconf installed, it will cause more headdaches than it solves)
[15:10] <freetown> ogra, well, i did set it via pppoeconf
[15:10] <ogra> freetown, /etc/ppp/peers/ has your peer configs, make sure to have usepeerdns in the provider file you use
[15:11] <freetown> ogra, okay. i will check. however, can you explain why pppd does not run ip-up.local?
[15:11] <ogra> it runs the scripts from /etc/ppp/ usually
[15:12] <ogra> i dont think there is a .local
[15:12] <freetown> ogra, if it did...it should have updated resolv.conf. .local is what you are recommended to use. ip-up checks for executable ip-up.local
[15:13] <ogra> ls -l /etc/resolv.conf ?
[15:14] <ogra> (pppd wont update it if its executable)
[15:14] <freetown> coming
[15:15] <ogra> or rather the usepeerdns script wont :)
[15:21] <freetown> ogra, 644 permissions
[15:22] <freetown> and userpeerdns is set in the provider file
[15:24] <ogra> are you sure your providers dhcp sends dns data ?
[15:24] <ogra> (one would expect so, but you never know)
[15:25] <freetown> well, pppd logs down the name server ips from the isp...so...i take the answer to be yes?
[15:26] <freetown> i think i should just add debug code to the ppp scripts just to see if they are run properly....
[15:26] <ogra> ok
[15:26] <ogra> do you have a /etc/ppp/resolv.conf file ?
[15:27] <ogra> (thats what the usepeerdns script merges into /etc/resolv.conf actually)
[15:28] <freetown> yes. and it is populated too
[15:28] <ogra> hmm
[15:28] <ogra> do you have a /etc/resolv.conf.pppd-backup file ?
[15:28] <freetown> nada
[15:28] <freetown> zip, zilch
[15:29] <freetown> borken pppd?
[15:29] <ogra> hmm, looks like something is wrong with the /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/0000usepeerdns script
[15:29] <freetown> or maybe all scripts?
[15:29] <ogra> nah
[15:30] <ogra> it works as far as creating the /etc/ppp/resolv.conf file apparently
[15:31] <freetown> strange, i do not see anything in the script that shows it creating that file?
[15:31] <freetown> pppd creates that file and not the script right?
[15:31] <ogra> USEPEERDNS=1 sudo /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/0000usepeerdns
[15:31] <ogra> run that
[15:32] <ogra> then check the /etc/resolv.conf file
[15:32] <freetown> changed.
[15:32] <freetown> borken pppd.
[15:32] <freetown> it don't run no ip-up scripts
[15:33] <ogra> well, we would have tons of bugs if that were the case
[15:33] <freetown> which is why i am here :-D
[15:33] <ogra> somehow your USEPEERDNS variable doesnt get set
[15:34] <freetown> no resolv.conf updating and no ip-up.local execution
[15:34] <kblin> freetown: on hardy?
[15:34] <ogra> ip-up.local isnt used
[15:34] <freetown> YES
[15:34] <freetown> ogra, yes it is...if you create it.
[15:35] <freetown> 'if [ -x /etc/ppp/ip-up.local ]; then' found in ip-up
[15:35] <ogra> oh, right
[15:35] <ogra> did you try to remove that ?
[15:35] <freetown> no way
[15:35] <freetown> i want that
[15:35] <ogra> uepeerdns should definately suffice to update resolv.conf
[15:35] <freetown> i need to update ddns on bootup
[15:36] <kblin> ah, duh, I'm just using kppp myself, which updates resolv.conf on it's own
[15:36] <freetown> ogra, yes i know. but pppd is borken because it does not appear to run ip-up at all.
[15:36] <ogra> kblin, right, works here as well
[15:36] <ogra> (no k here though :) )
[15:37] <ogra> freetown, it does on other systems
[15:37] <freetown> ogra, that is my point? it does not work on hardy >:(
[15:37] <ogra> move your ip-up.local away (and remove crap loke the resolvconf script, it does more harm than helping) and then try again
[15:38] <ogra> s/loke/like/
[15:38] <ogra> i.e. get into a fresh state with everything
[15:38] <ogra> i suspect your ip-up.local contains something that makes it break, lets check that :)
[15:38] <freetown> ogra, i doubt my ip-up.local affects anything...
[15:38] <ogra> well, easy to test
[15:38] <freetown> i will move it PAST the run-parts okay?
[15:39] <ogra> mv ip-up.local ip-up.local.bak
[15:39] <ogra> make sure it doesnt get executed while testing
[15:39] <freetown> so ip-up gets a go at ip-up.d and then ip-up.local
[15:52] <ogra> does it work with the script removed ?
[15:55] <freetown> ogra, yes it does.
[15:55] <ogra> so lets find out why your script breaks it then :)
[15:56] <ogra> can you paste it to a pastebin ?
[15:56] <freetown> http://files.cjb.net/dynip/cjb-update.sh
[15:57] <freetown> i just have a one liner that calls that script.
[15:57] <ogra> heh
[15:57] <freetown> similar to the clampmss script which is also a one liner
[15:57] <ogra> have a look at the first line
[15:57] <ogra> remove the space
[15:58] <ogra> #! /bin/bash wont work :)
[15:58] <freetown> doh. no wonder it runs from the command line but no via pppd.
[15:58] <freetown> thnx
[15:58] <ogra> :)
[15:59] <freetown> but i guess it is do not use network-manager and use pppoeconf for now? :-D
[15:59] <freetown> using network-manager to setup pppoe was a complete disaster
[15:59] <freetown> i only got it working with pppoeconf
[16:00] <ogra> i havent tried that every, my router doesnt have a gui (but runs hardy )
[16:01] <freetown> ha! if my friend had a router, i wouldn't be here :-)
[16:01] <freetown> hardy has no problems with dhcp :-)
[16:01] <ogra> good
[16:01] <freetown> but anyway, thanks. I think I will not  push too much on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/180535
[16:02] <ogra> ah, well, its surely worth to push there, we were hoping NM 0.7 would be ready for hardy, but it wasnt
[16:02] <freetown> oh, so that is what happened
[16:03] <ogra> 0.7 is far advanced wrt static interfaces, ppp and the like
[16:03] <freetown> i hear network-admin came from RH?
[16:03] <ogra> no
[16:03] <ogra> network-admin belongs to gnome-system-tools which was written by a spanish guy on his own
[16:03] <ogra> (might be that RH hired him later though, not sure :) )
[16:03] <freetown> can i quote you? :-D.
[16:04] <ogra> heh
[16:04] <freetown> some chap on the ubuntu channel claimed it was from RH
[16:04] <freetown> but anywya
[16:04] <freetown> thnx. i hope you get a...maintainer? for network-admin
[16:05] <kblin> ogra: to be honest, it's hard to be less advanced for static interfaces ;)
[16:05] <ogra> haha
[16:05] <ogra> yeah
[16:06] <freetown> :-)
[16:06] <freetown> okay, night guys. thanks for your help
[16:06] <ogra> enjoy
[17:02] <bddebian> Boo
[17:06] <iulian> Hello bddebian
[17:06] <bddebian> Hi iulian
[18:19] <gruber> If I change one data file in a patch is it necessary to install the whole package to test the patch or is it enough to just substitute the one changed file manually?
[18:20] <qense> What the heck is this? bug 225266
[18:23] <Pici> how random
[18:23] <bdmurray> I don't see anything else reported by them
[18:24] <qense> (what does to bork mean?)
[18:24] <bdmurray> ah, they have a question
[18:25] <bdmurray> irreversibly damaged or broken
[18:25] <qense> and SNAFU?
[18:25] <Pici> qense: bork = broke, SNAFU = situation normal: all **** up  (!language|pici)
[18:26] <qense> he complains that everything doesn't work like it had
[18:26] <qense> wow, how informative
[18:27] <qense> thx
[18:27] <bdmurray> I found a question they asked in answers.launchpad.net
[18:28] <qense> shall we ask for more information or mark it as invalid(like the reporter already said he thought we would do)?
[18:31] <bdmurray> I think trying to make a connection to them might be a good idea
[18:31] <bdmurray> However, you should look at their question, number 4337, to get some idea of where it might head
[18:33] <qense> their?
[18:34] <bdmurray> They asked a question at answers.launchpad.net
[18:35] <qense> why are you saying they, them and their? :)
[18:35] <qense> it doesn't look good :)
[18:35] <qense> but I've signed the CoC :)
[18:36] <bdmurray> I referring to the reporter of the bug-buddy bug you mentioned
[18:37] <qense> but they? he isn't king I hope
[18:38] <qense> he tries to speak like one though :D
[18:44] <qense> He has a blog, mostly about politics: http://jcwinnie.biz/wordpress/
[18:45] <qense> but it looks like it's composed with articles from all over the web
[18:46] <qense> maybe he's an editor for NYT
[18:46] <qense> not all his articles seem composed
[18:50] <zir3> hello bugsquad
[18:51] <zir3> i wanna say you if my problem is a bug but the thing is gonna that....
[18:51] <zir3> i has installed the ubuntu 8.04 en another partition to my ubuntu 7.10
[18:51] <qense> ok
[18:51] <zir3> and the ubuntu 8.04 break my computer
[18:52] <qense> in what way?
[18:52] <zir3> i try with two archs and nothing the same problem
[18:53] <zir3> my ubuntu 7.10 fly like a falcon... but 8.04 increment the temperature of my notebook to sky and kill it
[18:53] <zir3> sorry my english but im a mexican Linux user
[18:54] <qense> it's quite good :)
[18:54] <qense> so the temperature of your laptop is uncontrolled?
[18:55] <qense> and it becomes so high that your laptop eventually crashes?
[18:55] <qense> that's very tricky in a country like mexico :)
[18:55] <qense> I think it's a bug, but I'm not sure which package causes it
[18:55] <qense> maybe the kernel, hal or gnome-power-manager
[18:56] <qense> can you copy and paste the file /var/log/syslog in http://pastebin.ubuntu.com ?
[18:56] <qense> and place the link you get here
[18:59] <zir3> ok wait a momento please...
[19:03] <zir3> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9248/
[19:04] <qense> ok, wait a sec
[19:05] <zir3> i dont saw nothing interesting in that.... i was check it yesterday at night
[19:05] <qense> ok
[19:06] <qense> so this is the whole log? including the moment where it turns off because of the heat?
[19:08] <qense> could you post /var/log/kern.log too ?
[19:08] <zir3> ok
[19:09] <zir3> my boos will kill me xD hahahahahahah
[19:09] <qense> why?
[19:11] <zir3> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9250/
[19:12] <zir3> because i should be working
[19:12] <qense> bad you! :)
[19:12] <qense> there is a gdm segfault just before the system turns off
[19:14] <zir3> it's make th crash?
[19:14] <qense> I don't know
[19:14] <qense> it could be related
[19:14] <qense> does your system freezes?
[19:15] <qense> freeze*
[19:20] <qense> at the end of almost half the times the computer was on gdm crashes
[19:21] <qense> are you sure it has something to do with temperature?
[19:21] <zir3> my system crash or freeze and i dont have nothing i wait a long long time and nothing, then turn off my notebook for force brute :p
[19:22] <zir3> i dont sure is the temperature it was a conjeture....
[19:22] <qense> my brother has something similar with his laptop
[19:22] <qense> he has a packard bell mz35
[19:22] <qense> what's your laptop?
[19:23] <zir3> really i dont know what it's, but it's very molestous i wanna make ubuntu 8.04 my new system but i see if cant be possible ubuntu 7.10 it's my unique love
[19:23] <zir3> well slacware too but this for my servers :p
[19:23] <zir3> compaq v3417LA
[19:24] <qense> do you have this issue at both versions(7.10 adn 8.04)?
[19:24] <zir3> SEMPRON 3000+, 1.5 Ghz. RAM, BIOS updated
[19:25] <zir3> nop i repeat you 7.10 fly excelent
[19:26] <zir3> i just want update for fix a some problems but nothing important
[19:26] <qense> ok, so it's probably the same bug my brother has
[19:26] <qense> do you have a launchapd account?
[19:27] <zir3> mmmmmmm not? :S
[19:27] <qense> ok
[19:27] <qense> I wanted to ask you to add the same information to bug 224782 as I already added to it(expect edid.bin)
[19:27] <qense> (wait :) edid.bin isn't included)
[19:28] <qense> you can get lspci, dmidecode, dmesg by executing it as command
[19:30] <zir3> i remember this same problem was happen me in ubuntu 7.10 for arch i386
[19:31] <zir3> for this reason i install for arch 64 and zero problems
[19:31] <qense> a similar bug indeed did occur in earlier versions of the kernel
[19:33] <zir3> conclusion?... i married with 7.10 arch 64 :p ...or not?
[19:33] <qense> can someone help me with bug 224782 by the way? I think it isn't complete, but my brother doesn't like it :)
[19:40] <qense> zir3: I've reported your issue, thank you for telling it. Please keep an eye in the previously mentioned bug if you want to stay informed.
[19:40] <zir3> yes dotn worry and thank you was a pleasure
[19:41] <zir3> greetins from Merida, Yucatan. Mexico
[19:42] <qense> :)
[19:42] <qense> thank you for reporting thsi :)
[19:53] <Gringo_> has anybody notices audio glitches in Hardy?
[19:53] <Gringo_> i've been googling around and can't find anything
[19:54] <Gringo_> but i've been able to reproduce the problem on 2 differend sound cards
[19:54] <qense> there is a bug report about this in rhythmbox at launchpad
[19:54] <Gringo_> qense: i'll check it out, tnx
[20:11] <qense> what happened to the package manager???? bug 225308
[20:11] <qense> I don't a thing of his reply
[20:11] <qense> is aptitude really so weird?
[20:25] <gnomefreak> qense: depends what log you are looking for
[20:25] <gnomefreak> qense: no need to log download but dpkg.log and dpkg.log.* has the setting up and installingof packages
[20:26] <gnomefreak> qense: iirc term log has the downloading of packages
[21:10] <LimCore> hello
[21:10] <LaserJock> hi
[21:11] <ffm> So, how long does it take for a bugcontrol app to be approved?
[21:11] <LaserJock> specifically I think you want to become a member of the ubuntu-bugcontrol team
[21:11] <LimCore> I noiced really high amount of bugs in 8.04, in example in compiz/3d desktop stuff.  What can we do have them fixed
[21:11] <ffm> LimCore, Write patches.
[21:12] <LimCore> ffm: probably thoes bugs are resolved by upstream
[21:12] <LaserJock> LimCore: helping to report and triage bugs certainly helps
[21:12] <LimCore> I report them, how to "traige"? any good manuyal on this?
[21:12] <ffm> !triage | LimCore
[21:12] <ffm> LimCore, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage
[21:16] <LimCore> how about adding a form with ubuntu version etc directyl to bug submit form?  and having part of it auto filled in and/or remembered in cookies?
[21:19] <ffm> LimCore, File a bug in launchpad itself asking for it!
[21:20] <bdmurray> A lot of that information is automatically gathered if you use apport to report your bug about Ubuntu
[21:21] <ffm> bdmurray, hey, you're the person who admins bugcontrol, right?
[21:21] <bdmurray> ffm: that's correct
[21:21] <ffm> bdmurray, have you reviewed my application?
[21:22] <bdmurray> ffm: I'm afraid I haven't yet.  I've been busy doing verification for some stable release updates
[21:22] <ffm> bdmurray, oh, kk. that's definitely more important.
[21:23] <ffm> bdmurray, How exactly do you guys do QA on those?
[21:24] <bdmurray> We've some information written up at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/PerformingSRUVerification
[21:32] <bdmurray> but we could always use more people testing packages in -proposed and making sure they work weel
[21:32] <bdmurray> err, well
[21:32] <LaserJock> bdmurray: I've kinda been wondering about that
[21:33] <bdmurray> LaserJock: which part of that?
[21:33] <LaserJock> I'm sort of in Universe SRU mode right now looking at policy and how we can improve our ability to get SRUs done quickly and efficiently
[21:33] <ligemeget> bdmurray are you here?
[21:33] <ligemeget> heh, obviously yes
[21:33] <ligemeget> bdmurray, we were speaking about the Danish translation of the graphical bootloader a couple of days ago, yes?
[21:34] <LaserJock> one of the things that's most difficult about SRUs is to get enough users to really do good testing
[21:34] <LaserJock> often times in Universe we have niche software or bugs that have pretty complicated test cases
[21:34] <bdmurray> I'm with you
[21:34] <LaserJock> bdmurray: it stuck me the other day that maybe we can use something like the iso QA tracker
[21:34] <bdmurray> ligemeget: that sounds a bit familiar
[21:35] <LaserJock> where each SRU has a page that has the test case steps and has buttons for "didn't work" or "works fine"
[21:35] <bdmurray> so similar to mozilla.qa.ubuntu.com ?
[21:36] <ligemeget> bdmurray, oops.. I was going to ask you to upload it but I just noticed that I have upload privileges as well so I can do that myself
[21:36] <ligemeget> Nevermind :)
[21:37] <LaserJock> bdmurray: basically yes
[21:38] <LaserJock> bdmurray: it would need a bit of tweaking to work with SRUs, but I wonder if that kind of thing would allow use to promot SRU testing more
[21:39] <bdmurray> LaserJock: I think the issue is communicating with package users that there is a new package to test w/o them being subscribed to all the bug mail more or less.
[21:41] <LaserJock> yeah
[21:41] <LaserJock> taking that testing away from bug reports
[21:41] <LaserJock> sometimes if the bug report is rather involved users may not even know exactly what to test
[21:41] <bdmurray> well, that was the point of having a "TEST CASE" in the description
[21:41] <LaserJock> besides the fact that they need to know that the bug report exists in the first place
[21:42] <LaserJock> yes, although I think it's still fairly easy to for some users to get confused
[21:42] <bdmurray> it's too bad you can't subscribe to feeds of bug searches
[21:43] <bdmurray> like all gpsbabel verification-needed bugs
[21:43] <LaserJock> hmm
[21:44] <LaserJock> what if we had a Main/Universe SRU feed?
[21:44] <bdmurray> that might work, perhaps using the hardy-changes mailing list?
[21:44] <LaserJock> so when a package enters -proposed a feed item is created
[21:45] <bdmurray> because -proposed packges so up there
[21:45] <bdmurray> s/so/show/
[21:45] <LaserJock> that has a link to the bug, the Test Case maybe even
[21:45] <LaserJock> well, it would have to be *-changes but yeah
[21:52] <bdmurray> I think having feeds like that would be a good start
[21:59] <bdmurray> and there is a launchpad bug about feeds for searches
[22:09] <LaserJock> well
[22:09] <LaserJock> I was thinking of having a more SRU-specific feed
[22:09] <LaserJock> rather SRU testers-specific feed
[22:09] <ffm> Ok, can someone upload bug/review #223922 to hardy-proposed?
[22:10] <ffm> Ok, can someone upload/review bug #223922 to hardy-proposed?
[22:12] <bdmurray> LaserJock: right what I was thinking was that if that bug got resolved people could subscribe to bugs tagged as verification-needed
[22:15] <LaserJock> bdmurray: yeah, that would probably be helpful
[22:15] <LaserJock> bdmurray: you got any other helpful ideas about how to get more testers? :-)
[22:16] <bdmurray> I've one idea but I'm not sure how technically feasible it is from an archive admin point of view
[22:18] <LaserJock> oh?
[22:18] <bdmurray> something as simple as ack'ing tests in the changelog
[22:19] <bdmurray> er testers!
[22:20] <LaserJock> hmm
[22:20] <LaserJock> yeah, that's tricky
[22:20] <LaserJock> since packages are copied
[22:21] <bdmurray> Right, that's what I'd thought
[22:21] <LaserJock> it used to be we actually reuploaded to -updates
[22:21] <LaserJock> and in that case we could do that
[22:21] <LaserJock> but with all the fancy Soyuz goodies we don't do that anymore ;-)
[22:41] <LimCore> the #ubuntu-bugs-announce seems to be broken.. any plans to fix :) ?
[23:24] <janba> Hi
[23:24] <janba> could someone take a look at #110975 and tell me if this is a valid bug or not ?
[23:25] <secretlondon> bug #110975
[23:26] <secretlondon> janba: it's a wishlist bug, I've just set it as such
[23:27] <janba> Ok for wishlist. Thx