[00:49] kees: I was able to reproduce 190329. I'm currently waiting for the kernel to finish building with the patch to hopefully resolve it. I gotta jam out of here for a second before the build will likely finish but I'll ping you with the results. [01:01] ogasawara: okay, cool. if so, we can put it into the hardy security update (that doesn't exist yet) [02:43] When's the next hug/bug day schedueled? [02:44] Wiki says "The next Hug Day is scheduled for Tuesday, April 29, 2008. " [02:44] That's yesterday. [03:34] How do I report issues with the ubuntu website itself? [03:36] ffm: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+filebug <- there [03:36] pedro_: thanks [03:36] you're welcome [03:42] So, whens the next Hug Day? [03:44] probably next Tuesday (May 06) [03:44] pedro_: Also, what;s the place to report release notes bugs? [03:44] but every day is good for working on bugs so if you want to triage and have any doubt just ask here in the channel [03:44] pedro_: Will it ever be a thursday, friday, saturday, or sunday? [03:45] pedro_: kk. [03:45] ffm: yep, we have 2 hug days a week, one the tuesday and another one on thursdays [03:45] we didn't have one last weeks because of the hardy release [03:46] but i'm pretty sure we're going to have at least one next week [03:46] pedro_: So, is there one tomorrow? [03:47] i don't think there's one planned for tomorrow, no [03:48] In Bug #224171 , what package should that be? It's an issue in the release notes (website maybe?). [03:48] Launchpad bug 224171 in ubuntu "Upgrade to 8.04 (Hardy) trashed RAID Array" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/224171 [03:49] pedro_: I'd set priority to High by the way, that's a big undocumented change. [03:52] i think it's better to assign it to mdadm in case they don't know about it [03:53] pedro_: mdadm? [03:53] madame? [03:54] haha [03:54] the package of mdadm.conf [03:56] No idea what package that belongso. [03:56] to. [03:57] "mdadm" [03:58] pedro_: I'll do both. [03:58] pedro_: Good thing I've been triaging, I was about to upgrade my school-s power-edge RAID server from dapper... [04:07] Can someone mark this as whishlist? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/223524 [04:07] Launchpad bug 223524 in ubuntu "interrupted package upgrade should continue on next boot in case of a problem" [Undecided,New] === boomer` is now known as boomer [04:08] pedro_: ^^^ [04:08] oh sorry [04:08] yeah let me do it [04:10] pedro_: Thanks. [04:12] you're welcome [05:33] Hi all... [05:33] I was looking at bug #221525. It seems to be wrongly marked as duplicate of bug #216266. It looks more like a duplicate of bug #195434. [05:33] Launchpad bug 221525 in ubuntu "Hardy takes a long time to shut down, prints network manager error message (dup-of: 216266)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/221525 [05:33] Launchpad bug 216266 in usplash "Usplash problem on shutdown." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/216266 [05:33] Launchpad bug 195434 in gdm "Hardy alpha5: Shutting down GDM takes a long time." [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195434 [05:34] It will be great if somebody can confirm. [05:56] Hello... anybody there? === Martinp24 is now known as Martinp23 [08:56] hi folks === LucidFox_ is now known as LucidFox === LucidFox_ is now known as LucidFox === LucidFox_ is now known as LucidFox === LucidFox_ is now known as LucidFox_Atlanti [12:59] james_w Just read your email re: testing. You make it sound like there is overlap between bug work and testing [13:00] secretlondon: the one I sent a moment ago? [13:00] james_w I don't think I'm experienced enough for that yet. I think my next step will be to do motu beginner type jobs [13:00] james_w yes [13:01] Can you explain how I gave that impression? [13:01] The QA team does include people who work mainly on bugs, so I think there is an overlap. [13:02] james_ w https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Roles, Kernel bug first-response, and the fact that you said the qa team live in -testing [13:03] ah, true. There is definitely overlap I guess. I probably should have mentioned #ubuntu-bugs as well. [13:03] Do you think I need to clarify something in the mail? [13:04] I'm not exactly sure what the qa team do, that bug-control don't [13:05] bugcontrol is supposed to be part of the wider QA team I think, even if it's not reflected in group memberships. [13:05] james_w I wonder whether promoting the qa team on Ubuntu women may be too advanced. Most people on the list are users, not contributors. You seem to need to be a pretty strong contributor to be part of qa [13:06] secretlondon: point taken. It's rare to get these roles outlined like this though, so I thought I would take advantage of that though. [13:07] cool [13:07] * secretlondon generally makes her own jobs, looking for unloved bits [13:07] yep, that's a great way to do it. [13:07] do you think a mention of bugcontrol in response to the mail would be a good thing? [13:08] I think a mention of entry level stuff would be good [13:08] bug control isn't entry level either [13:08] and hug days as a good 1st step [13:09] would you like to write something explaining about hug days, bugsquad and bugcontrol in response? [13:09] okay, but I have to go out very soon [13:10] I personally didn't know about the qa team, so it's useful for me! [13:10] I've book marked their wiki pages [13:10] great, thanks. [13:10] I think the forums role doesn't require too much knowledge, certainly to get started. [13:11] true [13:11] but it's a big job I imagine [13:11] oh yeah [13:12] but even starting to do a little bit would be a great help. It seems like there's loads of information on the forums related to QA, and I'm not sure how much flows back. [13:13] There is loads on unofficial channels. I see refs to bugs on twitter even [13:15] james_w oh btw do you know what bzr error 104 is? I get it from the 5-a-day applet [13:16] secretlondon: yeah, thekorn asked me about that, I don't know I'm afraid, I didn't think it gave any error codes over 4, but maybe I misunderstand. [13:17] The traceback about not having an address associated with a name is weird as well, I assume you have no trouble accessing launchpad otherwise? [13:17] okay. I think it may be my ISP [13:17] I think bzr and vodafone may not be compatible, even though I've got rid of the filter [13:17] james_w no problems at all [13:18] unless it is confused by the fact that I use wvdial for connectivity [13:18] but everything else copes, except nm [13:18] it shouldn't be, but it's a possibility. [13:19] can you "ssh bazaar.launchpad.net"? [13:19] permission denied, ssh key error [13:19] Launchpad user 'secret' doesn't have a registered SSH key [13:19] secret is my login on this box [13:20] secretlondon is your lp id? [13:20] yes [13:20] does "ssh secretlondon@bazaar.launchpad.net" work? [13:20] Launchpad user 'secret' doesn't have a registered SSH key [13:20] secret@celery:~$ ssh bazaar.launchpad.net -l secretlondon [13:20] No shells on this server. [13:20] Connection to bazaar.launchpad.net closed. [13:21] secret@celery:~$ ssh secretlondon@bazaar.launchpad.net [13:21] No shells on this server. [13:21] Connection to bazaar.launchpad.net closed. [13:21] secretlondon: that's ok, it only lets bzr log in for security, it shows that it works though, so I'm not sure what the problem is. [13:23] ok === LucidFox_Atlanti is now known as LucidFox [14:07] it appears to me that ppp is broken on hardy heron. pppd does not update resolv.conf with the name server information it gets nor does it run ip-up.local or perhaps any of those scripts [14:08] freetown: is there a bug reported in launchpad? Just telling us in here means that it will get lost and won't get acted upon [14:08] looking [14:11] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ppp/+bug/75218 seems to describe what i see but that was filed against 6.07 and marked undecided [14:11] Launchpad bug 75218 in ppp "ppp does not put nameservers into /etc/resolv.conf" [Undecided,New] [14:13] is ubottu a bot? [14:13] yes [14:13] ah [14:13] francais, bugs. neat [14:15] freetown: does it work if you install resolvconf? [14:15] no bug report related to ip-up.local. I guess I will have to file one? But it appears to be related to pppd not running any scripts at all after establishing a connection. [14:16] james_w, hold on [14:27] <|chris_t|> ? [14:31] Is there a wiki page on debugging wireless driver problems? [14:32] I don't think so [14:32] we really should have such a page [14:32] more and more people are using wirelss [14:32] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingNetworkManager is reasonably helpful [14:33] but drivers are often kernel modules [14:33] yup [14:34] I'm going for lunch in a local cafe where wireless didn't work last time, so I want to debug it. I won't have a second machine, so I'm trying to load up on information first. [14:36] i think /var/log contains some useful information [14:36] lspci of course [14:36] dmidecode? [14:36] dmesg? [14:38] I' [14:38] I'll try them, thanks. [14:39] ah, rats. [14:40] I hate to file dups. [14:43] james_w, after installing resolvconf, do i need to run pppoeconf again or something? if not...installing resolvconf does not fix the zero update resolv.conf by pppd problem [14:44] james_w, file generated by resolvconf...but empty [14:47] freetown: I don't know I'm afraid it was just mentioned in the bug report you linked to. [14:48] have you tried running pppoeconf again? [14:57] anybody here who understands the intricracies between pppd, pppoe, resolv.conf and resolvconf? [15:09] freetown, is usepeerdns set in your config ? [15:09] (you dont need resolvconf installed, it will cause more headdaches than it solves) [15:10] ogra, well, i did set it via pppoeconf [15:10] freetown, /etc/ppp/peers/ has your peer configs, make sure to have usepeerdns in the provider file you use [15:11] ogra, okay. i will check. however, can you explain why pppd does not run ip-up.local? [15:11] it runs the scripts from /etc/ppp/ usually [15:12] i dont think there is a .local [15:12] ogra, if it did...it should have updated resolv.conf. .local is what you are recommended to use. ip-up checks for executable ip-up.local [15:13] ls -l /etc/resolv.conf ? [15:14] (pppd wont update it if its executable) [15:14] coming [15:15] or rather the usepeerdns script wont :) [15:21] ogra, 644 permissions [15:22] and userpeerdns is set in the provider file [15:24] are you sure your providers dhcp sends dns data ? [15:24] (one would expect so, but you never know) [15:25] well, pppd logs down the name server ips from the isp...so...i take the answer to be yes? [15:26] i think i should just add debug code to the ppp scripts just to see if they are run properly.... [15:26] ok [15:26] do you have a /etc/ppp/resolv.conf file ? [15:27] (thats what the usepeerdns script merges into /etc/resolv.conf actually) [15:28] yes. and it is populated too [15:28] hmm [15:28] do you have a /etc/resolv.conf.pppd-backup file ? [15:28] nada [15:28] zip, zilch [15:29] borken pppd? [15:29] hmm, looks like something is wrong with the /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/0000usepeerdns script [15:29] or maybe all scripts? [15:29] nah [15:30] it works as far as creating the /etc/ppp/resolv.conf file apparently [15:31] strange, i do not see anything in the script that shows it creating that file? [15:31] pppd creates that file and not the script right? [15:31] USEPEERDNS=1 sudo /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/0000usepeerdns [15:31] run that [15:32] then check the /etc/resolv.conf file [15:32] changed. [15:32] borken pppd. [15:32] it don't run no ip-up scripts [15:33] well, we would have tons of bugs if that were the case [15:33] which is why i am here :-D [15:33] somehow your USEPEERDNS variable doesnt get set [15:34] no resolv.conf updating and no ip-up.local execution [15:34] freetown: on hardy? [15:34] ip-up.local isnt used [15:34] YES [15:34] ogra, yes it is...if you create it. [15:35] 'if [ -x /etc/ppp/ip-up.local ]; then' found in ip-up [15:35] oh, right [15:35] did you try to remove that ? [15:35] no way [15:35] i want that [15:35] uepeerdns should definately suffice to update resolv.conf [15:35] i need to update ddns on bootup [15:36] ah, duh, I'm just using kppp myself, which updates resolv.conf on it's own [15:36] ogra, yes i know. but pppd is borken because it does not appear to run ip-up at all. [15:36] kblin, right, works here as well [15:36] (no k here though :) ) [15:37] freetown, it does on other systems [15:37] ogra, that is my point? it does not work on hardy >:( [15:37] move your ip-up.local away (and remove crap loke the resolvconf script, it does more harm than helping) and then try again [15:38] s/loke/like/ [15:38] i.e. get into a fresh state with everything [15:38] i suspect your ip-up.local contains something that makes it break, lets check that :) [15:38] ogra, i doubt my ip-up.local affects anything... [15:38] well, easy to test [15:38] i will move it PAST the run-parts okay? [15:39] mv ip-up.local ip-up.local.bak [15:39] make sure it doesnt get executed while testing [15:39] so ip-up gets a go at ip-up.d and then ip-up.local === x-spec-t is now known as Spec [15:52] does it work with the script removed ? [15:55] ogra, yes it does. [15:55] so lets find out why your script breaks it then :) [15:56] can you paste it to a pastebin ? [15:56] http://files.cjb.net/dynip/cjb-update.sh [15:57] i just have a one liner that calls that script. [15:57] heh [15:57] similar to the clampmss script which is also a one liner [15:57] have a look at the first line [15:57] remove the space [15:58] #! /bin/bash wont work :) [15:58] doh. no wonder it runs from the command line but no via pppd. [15:58] thnx [15:58] :) [15:59] but i guess it is do not use network-manager and use pppoeconf for now? :-D [15:59] using network-manager to setup pppoe was a complete disaster [15:59] i only got it working with pppoeconf [16:00] i havent tried that every, my router doesnt have a gui (but runs hardy ) [16:01] ha! if my friend had a router, i wouldn't be here :-) [16:01] hardy has no problems with dhcp :-) [16:01] good [16:01] but anyway, thanks. I think I will not push too much on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/180535 [16:01] Launchpad bug 180535 in gnome-system-tools "network settings; utter uselessness thereof for PPPoE" [Undecided,New] [16:02] ah, well, its surely worth to push there, we were hoping NM 0.7 would be ready for hardy, but it wasnt [16:02] oh, so that is what happened [16:03] 0.7 is far advanced wrt static interfaces, ppp and the like [16:03] i hear network-admin came from RH? [16:03] no [16:03] network-admin belongs to gnome-system-tools which was written by a spanish guy on his own [16:03] (might be that RH hired him later though, not sure :) ) [16:03] can i quote you? :-D. [16:04] heh [16:04] some chap on the ubuntu channel claimed it was from RH [16:04] but anywya [16:04] thnx. i hope you get a...maintainer? for network-admin [16:05] ogra: to be honest, it's hard to be less advanced for static interfaces ;) [16:05] haha [16:05] yeah [16:06] :-) [16:06] okay, night guys. thanks for your help [16:06] enjoy [17:02] Boo [17:06] Hello bddebian [17:06] Hi iulian === never|mobi is now known as neversfelde|mobi [18:19] If I change one data file in a patch is it necessary to install the whole package to test the patch or is it enough to just substitute the one changed file manually? [18:20] What the heck is this? bug 225266 [18:20] Launchpad bug 225266 in bug-buddy "bug-buddy borked" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/225266 [18:23] how random [18:23] I don't see anything else reported by them [18:24] (what does to bork mean?) [18:24] ah, they have a question [18:25] irreversibly damaged or broken [18:25] and SNAFU? [18:25] qense: bork = broke, SNAFU = situation normal: all **** up (!language|pici) [18:26] he complains that everything doesn't work like it had [18:26] wow, how informative [18:27] thx [18:27] I found a question they asked in answers.launchpad.net [18:28] shall we ask for more information or mark it as invalid(like the reporter already said he thought we would do)? [18:31] I think trying to make a connection to them might be a good idea [18:31] However, you should look at their question, number 4337, to get some idea of where it might head [18:33] their? [18:34] They asked a question at answers.launchpad.net [18:35] why are you saying they, them and their? :) [18:35] it doesn't look good :) [18:35] but I've signed the CoC :) [18:36] I referring to the reporter of the bug-buddy bug you mentioned [18:37] but they? he isn't king I hope [18:38] he tries to speak like one though :D === blueyed_ is now known as blueyed [18:44] He has a blog, mostly about politics: http://jcwinnie.biz/wordpress/ [18:45] but it looks like it's composed with articles from all over the web [18:46] maybe he's an editor for NYT [18:46] not all his articles seem composed [18:50] hello bugsquad [18:51] i wanna say you if my problem is a bug but the thing is gonna that.... [18:51] i has installed the ubuntu 8.04 en another partition to my ubuntu 7.10 [18:51] ok [18:51] and the ubuntu 8.04 break my computer [18:52] in what way? [18:52] i try with two archs and nothing the same problem [18:53] my ubuntu 7.10 fly like a falcon... but 8.04 increment the temperature of my notebook to sky and kill it [18:53] sorry my english but im a mexican Linux user [18:54] it's quite good :) [18:54] so the temperature of your laptop is uncontrolled? [18:55] and it becomes so high that your laptop eventually crashes? [18:55] that's very tricky in a country like mexico :) [18:55] I think it's a bug, but I'm not sure which package causes it [18:55] maybe the kernel, hal or gnome-power-manager [18:56] can you copy and paste the file /var/log/syslog in http://pastebin.ubuntu.com ? [18:56] and place the link you get here [18:59] ok wait a momento please... [19:03] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9248/ [19:04] ok, wait a sec [19:05] i dont saw nothing interesting in that.... i was check it yesterday at night [19:05] ok [19:06] so this is the whole log? including the moment where it turns off because of the heat? [19:08] could you post /var/log/kern.log too ? [19:08] ok [19:09] my boos will kill me xD hahahahahahah [19:09] why? [19:11] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9250/ [19:12] because i should be working [19:12] bad you! :) [19:12] there is a gdm segfault just before the system turns off [19:14] it's make th crash? [19:14] I don't know [19:14] it could be related [19:14] does your system freezes? [19:15] freeze* [19:20] at the end of almost half the times the computer was on gdm crashes [19:21] are you sure it has something to do with temperature? [19:21] my system crash or freeze and i dont have nothing i wait a long long time and nothing, then turn off my notebook for force brute :p [19:22] i dont sure is the temperature it was a conjeture.... [19:22] my brother has something similar with his laptop [19:22] he has a packard bell mz35 [19:22] what's your laptop? [19:23] really i dont know what it's, but it's very molestous i wanna make ubuntu 8.04 my new system but i see if cant be possible ubuntu 7.10 it's my unique love [19:23] well slacware too but this for my servers :p [19:23] compaq v3417LA [19:24] do you have this issue at both versions(7.10 adn 8.04)? [19:24] SEMPRON 3000+, 1.5 Ghz. RAM, BIOS updated [19:25] nop i repeat you 7.10 fly excelent [19:26] i just want update for fix a some problems but nothing important [19:26] ok, so it's probably the same bug my brother has [19:26] do you have a launchapd account? [19:27] mmmmmmm not? :S [19:27] ok [19:27] I wanted to ask you to add the same information to bug 224782 as I already added to it(expect edid.bin) [19:27] Launchpad bug 224782 in linux "Ubuntu freezes randomly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/224782 [19:27] (wait :) edid.bin isn't included) [19:28] you can get lspci, dmidecode, dmesg by executing it as command [19:30] i remember this same problem was happen me in ubuntu 7.10 for arch i386 [19:31] for this reason i install for arch 64 and zero problems [19:31] a similar bug indeed did occur in earlier versions of the kernel [19:33] conclusion?... i married with 7.10 arch 64 :p ...or not? [19:33] can someone help me with bug 224782 by the way? I think it isn't complete, but my brother doesn't like it :) [19:33] Launchpad bug 224782 in linux "Ubuntu freezes randomly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/224782 [19:40] zir3: I've reported your issue, thank you for telling it. Please keep an eye in the previously mentioned bug if you want to stay informed. [19:40] yes dotn worry and thank you was a pleasure [19:41] greetins from Merida, Yucatan. Mexico [19:42] :) [19:42] thank you for reporting thsi :) [19:53] has anybody notices audio glitches in Hardy? [19:53] i've been googling around and can't find anything [19:54] but i've been able to reproduce the problem on 2 differend sound cards [19:54] there is a bug report about this in rhythmbox at launchpad [19:54] qense: i'll check it out, tnx [20:11] what happened to the package manager???? bug 225308 [20:11] Launchpad bug 225308 in aptitude "aptitude doesn't keep a log in Hardy" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/225308 [20:11] I don't a thing of his reply [20:11] is aptitude really so weird? [20:25] qense: depends what log you are looking for [20:25] qense: no need to log download but dpkg.log and dpkg.log.* has the setting up and installingof packages [20:26] qense: iirc term log has the downloading of packages [21:10] hello [21:10] hi [21:11] So, how long does it take for a bugcontrol app to be approved? [21:11] specifically I think you want to become a member of the ubuntu-bugcontrol team [21:11] I noiced really high amount of bugs in 8.04, in example in compiz/3d desktop stuff. What can we do have them fixed [21:11] LimCore, Write patches. [21:12] ffm: probably thoes bugs are resolved by upstream [21:12] LimCore: helping to report and triage bugs certainly helps [21:12] I report them, how to "traige"? any good manuyal on this? [21:12] !triage | LimCore [21:12] Factoid triage not found [21:12] LimCore, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage [21:16] how about adding a form with ubuntu version etc directyl to bug submit form? and having part of it auto filled in and/or remembered in cookies? [21:19] LimCore, File a bug in launchpad itself asking for it! [21:20] A lot of that information is automatically gathered if you use apport to report your bug about Ubuntu [21:21] bdmurray, hey, you're the person who admins bugcontrol, right? [21:21] ffm: that's correct [21:21] bdmurray, have you reviewed my application? [21:22] ffm: I'm afraid I haven't yet. I've been busy doing verification for some stable release updates [21:22] bdmurray, oh, kk. that's definitely more important. [21:23] bdmurray, How exactly do you guys do QA on those? [21:24] We've some information written up at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/PerformingSRUVerification [21:32] but we could always use more people testing packages in -proposed and making sure they work weel [21:32] err, well [21:32] bdmurray: I've kinda been wondering about that [21:33] LaserJock: which part of that? [21:33] I'm sort of in Universe SRU mode right now looking at policy and how we can improve our ability to get SRUs done quickly and efficiently [21:33] bdmurray are you here? [21:33] heh, obviously yes [21:33] bdmurray, we were speaking about the Danish translation of the graphical bootloader a couple of days ago, yes? [21:34] one of the things that's most difficult about SRUs is to get enough users to really do good testing [21:34] often times in Universe we have niche software or bugs that have pretty complicated test cases [21:34] I'm with you [21:34] bdmurray: it stuck me the other day that maybe we can use something like the iso QA tracker [21:34] ligemeget: that sounds a bit familiar [21:35] where each SRU has a page that has the test case steps and has buttons for "didn't work" or "works fine" [21:35] so similar to mozilla.qa.ubuntu.com ? [21:36] bdmurray, oops.. I was going to ask you to upload it but I just noticed that I have upload privileges as well so I can do that myself [21:36] Nevermind :) [21:37] bdmurray: basically yes [21:38]