[00:01] <bjwood0> bspencer: I did the pkill gconfd and it fixed it, whew! :P
[00:07] <bjwood0> bspencer: I also noticed I don't have to comment out the brightness line in the statusbar.conf now :)
[00:13] <inkynoob> How is X supposed to start with Ubuntu Mobile? Should I be installing GDM just to have it auto login and auto start UME? 
[00:20] <GrueMaster> It is part of the install.
[00:21] <inkynoob> I installed on my eee with Ubuntu JeOS + the ubuntu-mobile package
[00:21] <GrueMaster> Oh.  
[00:21] <GrueMaster> This is part of an entire image.  Not sure how it works on a desktop image (which you have).
[00:22] <inkynoob> I suppose I'll create an image tonight and pick it apart to see what it's doing
[00:22] <GrueMaster> Try downloading a daily snapshot of the live usb image from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/moblin/mccaslin
[00:23] <GrueMaster> oops.  Bad link.  Try http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/moblin/hardy/mccaslin_samsungq1ultrafull/
[00:23] <inkynoob> ah, that's better :-) 
[00:23] <GrueMaster> Not quite optimised for the Eee, but close.
[00:25] <inkynoob> thanks, I'll take a look at it
[00:39] <ToddBrandt> kyleN_: can https://bugs.launchpad.net/moblin-applets/+bug/206389 be closed? 
[00:54] <kyleN_> ToddBrandt: question: is there another moblin bug or other commitment to make theme switching for the  marquee panels work when the /desktop/gnome/interface/gtk_theme key changes? this is an issue we need to follow through on. framework should work. gtk-theme-switcher ui is extra credit. by the way - my internet is hit or miss now since I am not at home.
[00:57] <ToddBrandt> kyleN_: bspencer is the owner of the marquee panels, I'll ping him on it. I guess it depends on how major an issue it is to fix. oh, and do you use gtk-theme-switcher instead of the gnome-control-center theme switcher? I'll try that if so since the gtk one is much lighter
[00:58] <kyleN_> ToddBrandt: the main point is to change the gconf key (however) and everything else works
[00:58] <kyleN_> the only part that doesn't now that I know of is the marquee panels
[00:58] <ToddBrandt> ok, let me put that in the comments of the bug then
[00:58] <kyleN_> thx
[00:58] <kyleN_> and it is major
[00:58] <ToddBrandt> high?
[00:59] <kyleN_> lets take that up in the thursday bug triage with tony?
[00:59] <ToddBrandt> soudns good, I'll leave it as is for now
[00:59] <kyleN_> ok
[00:59] <ToddBrandt> here's the comment: ok, this bug is nearly fixed. The only thing left is that the marquee doesn't seem to propagate theme changes when the gtk_theme key is changed.
[01:00] <kyleN_> excellent
[01:01] <kyleN_> appreciate...
[01:01] <ToddBrandt> no problem
[01:06] <bspencer> kyleN_, 
[01:06] <kyleN_> yes bspencer 
[01:06] <bspencer> per lool, apps usually don't listen to the gconf key
[01:07] <kyleN_> we need to take this up with bfiller and others present
[01:07] <bspencer> but your scenario should owrk
[01:07] <kyleN_> all gtk apps do here changes to THIS key
[01:07] <bspencer> gconf -- then ToddBrandt does something to notifiy
[01:07] <kyleN_> through xsettings
[01:07] <bspencer> yes.
[01:08] <bspencer> ok.  so let's discuss thursday
[01:08] <kyleN_> so marquee panels, as gtk apps should listen, right?
[01:08] <bspencer> not necessarily to the key, but via xsettings
[01:08] <kyleN_> ok. we have a talking point
[01:08] <kyleN_> let's discuss tomorrow
[02:23] <rolando-ve> Hi
[02:23] <rolando-ve> Well I'm very newby with this
[02:24] <rolando-ve> But I'll try to ask
[02:24] <rolando-ve> If anyone can Help me, I will so glad
[02:24] <rolando-ve> This is my case:
[02:25] <rolando-ve> I have in my hands a Mini Computer Pannel, this one have a Transmeta T5500 Processor
[02:25] <rolando-ve> And have 2 Gb Flash Disk
[02:25] <rolando-ve> I wanna install in this Ubuntu Mobile.
[02:25] <rolando-ve> It's? Possible?
[02:26] <rolando-ve> Have 256 RAM 
[03:40] <rolando-ve> Help?
[03:40] <rolando-ve> :-D
[11:25] <linx> G'day u all 
[11:26] <linx> I have a htc shift upmc (or close to be a upmc :D ) from where can I download the ubuntu mobile version to test it on it ? 
[11:27] <linx> I did not say that address me to download it or see the evolution of this project
[11:27] <linx> I'm pretty interested in this kinda sowftware
[11:30] <linx> I'm not sure if htc shift is compatible now with ubuntu mobile
[11:32] <linx> In one of the links said that is ported on it but in the image creator stuff just talk about one dvice supported no the htc one
[11:33] <linx> please can any one address me ? is the first time that I take in touch with this project
[11:41] <linx> hi
[11:41] <linx> eo
[11:47] <linx> any available
[14:48] <Raseel> Hi guys, I need some help with image-creator
[14:49] <Raseel> After I install a target and Add Fsets (Samsung-full-moble-stack) , I tried running ume-xephyr-start
[14:49] <Raseel> But I got the following error : Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic, removing from list!
[14:57] <lool> Raseel: This is probably not fatal
[14:57] <lool> Just a warning
[14:58] <Raseel> @lool :  Yes, but my UI won't open up
[14:59] <Raseel> @lool :  It just crashes
[15:01] <lool> Raseel: Does other stuff come up in your xephyr?
[15:02] <persia> Raseel: And if it comes up (xclock is a good test app), does it come up full-screen?
[15:11] <lool> ppa copies are really nice
[15:12] <lool> cprov: Nice ^ :)
[15:12] <cprov> lool: thanks
[15:12] <lool> cprov: Do you happen to know why lpia is shown as official for hardy and not for gutsy?
[15:12] <lool> AFAIK, the binaries are still on ports.u.c, not archive.u.c
[15:13] <cprov> lool: it's configured that way, check with some archive-admin to know if they have any reason. They can change it.
[15:13] <lool> Ok, thanks
[15:13] <lool> "You can now subscribe to all the bugs affecting a project group" cool
[15:13] <lool> I can finally subscribe to moblin bugs
[16:58] <davidm> meeting starts in 2 minutes
[16:58] <davidm> looking to be a short meeting
[16:58] <Zic> davidm: in #ubuntu-meeting ?
[16:59] <davidm> here
[16:59] <davidm> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/Meeting/20080501
[17:00] <davidm> #startmeeting
[17:00] <Zic> (thanks)
[17:00] <davidm> Opps no mootbot
[17:00] <davidm> Oh well I'll make manual logs
[17:01] <davidm> bspenser is not here
[17:01] <davidm> topic was: (bspencer) document status of i18n of moblin modules on Ubuntu wiki; needs discussion with asac and cwong for FF [cted] 
[17:03] <davidm> I'll take that as no one has any input, I'll carry it forward then.
[17:03] <davidm> next topic was: (davidm) fix links in IRC logs 
[17:04] <davidm> Which I have accomplished
[17:04] <davidm> Ah, hi bspencer 
[17:04] <bspencer> morning
[17:04] <davidm> I'll repost the query for you
[17:04] <davidm> mootbot is missing this morning so I'll make logs manually
[17:05] <davidm> new topic: (bspencer) document status of i18n of moblin modules on Ubuntu wiki; needs discussion with asac and cwong for FF [cted] 
[17:05] <Hobbsee> ah yes, should poke to get that recreated.
[17:05] <davidm> bspencer, progress?
[17:05] <bspencer> posted
[17:05] <bspencer> I added a link to Kyle's i18n page
[17:05] <davidm> bspencer, thanks.  Great, anything that will raise issues?
[17:06] <bspencer> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/I18nMobileCode/ApplicationStatus
[17:06] <bspencer> issues:  2 "In progress" components
[17:06] <bspencer> perhaps we can prioritize these in tony's sync-up meeting with us at 10am
[17:06] <davidm> OK sounds good.
[17:07] <davidm> Do I need to carry anything for next week?
[17:07] <bspencer> the two in-progress will probably be tracked elsewhere, so I guess not
[17:07] <bspencer> as bugs, for example.
[17:07] <davidm> OK, thanks
[17:08] <davidm> OK that concludes old business then
[17:08] <davidm> And I don't have any new topics on the meeting page.
[17:08] <davidm> Any opens from the floor?
[17:08] <GrueMaster> When can we expect the next Beta snapshot?
[17:09] <davidm> GrueMaster, the next one should be tomorrow morning
[17:09] <GrueMaster> Ok, thanks.
[17:09] <bspencer> yes, and what is our target goal for UME release?
[17:09] <davidm> StevenK, is finishing it in his AM and will post.
[17:10] <davidm> bspencer, target is currently WW20 for RC 
[17:10]  * bspencer scrambles for decoder ring
[17:10] <davidm> might slip depending on bug lists
[17:10] <davidm> Week of the 11th
[17:10] <bspencer> May 11-17th
[17:10] <bspencer> got it
[17:10] <davidm> with a final (I hope) by May 30
[17:11] <davidm> We will continue to work bug fixes during UDS if need be and then go final after we are all back from it.
[17:11] <GrueMaster> With that in mind, there are a few basic holes that need to get filled.  Namely, automount for USB and file management.
[17:12] <davidm> GrueMaster, file management?
[17:12] <bspencer> GrueMaster, for "file management" you want a file manager program?
[17:12] <bspencer> like nautilus
[17:12] <GrueMaster> Kind of hard to transfer files otherwise.
[17:12] <bspencer> initially we tried to hide the file view to the user and make the import utilties smart enough to show the right info.
[17:12] <GrueMaster> The media player doens't have one.
[17:12] <davidm> That was decussed in prior UDS and decided not to have one.
[17:12] <bspencer> I have some ideas here.
[17:12] <bspencer> GrueMaster, I think we can solve your issues w/o a file manager per say
[17:12] <bspencer> but open for debate.
[17:13] <bspencer> sometimes we make things harder by trying to make them simpler.
[17:13] <GrueMaster> Not looking for anything major, but the users will probably like to organise their files and documents somehow.
[17:13] <davidm> We can add something but at this late date will not be hildonized
[17:14] <GrueMaster> I haven't tried the import from media player, but if it just goes and grabs, I'd hate to plug a 160gb external drive to my 4Gb mid.
[17:14] <davidm> This might be a UDS topic for next version
[17:15] <davidm> would be interesting since it will fill flash pretty quickly.
[17:15] <bspencer> GrueMaster, agree
[17:16] <GrueMaster> At any rate, we still need to implement automount for usb drives.  Unless we want the user to open a terminal and manually mount drives.
[17:16] <davidm> I was under the impression that it was automouting them
[17:16] <davidm> But if not have you filed a bug?
[17:16] <GrueMaster> It doesn't here.
[17:17] <GrueMaster> I can file a bug, but I'm a bit gun shy after the last one.
[17:17] <davidm> cgregan, have you come across this?
[17:17] <GrueMaster> And I had reported this a long time ago, before launchpad.
[17:17] <cgregan> In an interview for henrik
[17:18] <davidm> cgregan, Ok
[17:18] <GrueMaster> This may have been fixed in the dailies.  Last time I looked at this was 0408
[17:18] <davidm> GrueMaster, I'll ask cgregan to catch up with you later to get this checked out.
[17:18] <GrueMaster> ok
[17:19] <davidm> I seem to remember that there was some issue but it was with MIC not making a partation that was needed.
[17:19] <davidm> OK any other issues?
[17:19] <GrueMaster> That may have been for the usb client.
[17:20] <davidm> could be
[17:20] <davidm> OK, if no other issues, endmeeting going once............................................................
[17:21] <davidm> OK, if no other issues, endmeeting going twice....................
[17:23] <davidm> endmeeting
[17:23] <davidm> Thanks everyone.
[17:31] <cgregan> ﻿GrueMaster, davidm: I have seen this. I would expect a file manager window or some sort of wizard to come up when you insert a USB drive. But no action is taken. I believe there is some work on this in Lex.
[17:31] <davidm> cgregan, the media player should import music, no file manager is expected
[17:32] <davidm> that was decided last UDS.
[17:32] <cgregan> Ok...lemme load a couple files to my key
[17:32] <davidm> But if USB is not getting mounted that is an issue.
[17:32] <GrueMaster> Shouldn't udev at least mount the drive?  When I manually mount a drive, then the media manager window pops up asking if I want to import files.
[17:32] <cgregan> I see
[17:32] <cgregan> What is the default device?
[17:33] <cgregan> Where does the spec say it should be mounted? /media ?
[17:33] <GrueMaster> default device?  It depends on if there is a partition defined on the device or not.
[17:33] <cgregan> /dev/?
[17:33] <cgregan> sbd?
[17:33] <GrueMaster> the device shows up in /dev, but is not mounted.
[17:34] <GrueMaster> could be sdb, or sdc if you have two usb devices.
[17:34] <GrueMaster> could also be sdb1 if it is an original device not imaged with dd.
[17:37] <cgregan> ﻿GrueMaster: Yep..no mounted FS on my Jax device
[17:37] <cgregan> Looks like we are not doing it
[17:37] <cgregan> Definite bug. Please enter
[17:37] <davidm> cgregan, please add it to the bug list then, thanks
[17:38] <cgregan> davidm: Ok..I will file
[17:51] <qense> Does Ubuntu Mobile support Blackberry?
[17:52] <qense> And what sync utilities are there to sync it with your Ubuntu desktop?
[17:53] <GrueMaster> qense:  To the first question - no.  Please read the FAQ.  To the second question, I'm not sure that has been addressed yet.  It is a good question, though.
[17:53] <qense> thanks!
[18:07] <tonyespy_> ToddBrandt, bspencer: anyone going to participate in the bug triage mtg?
[18:08] <ToddBrandt> tonyespy: I'm in the bridge
[22:25] <ScorpKing> hi guys. how much will image-creator download?
[22:26] <ScorpKing> i'm at "I: Retrieving dpkg-dev" now. 
[22:36]  * ScorpKing needs to reboot..
[22:59]  * ScorpKing is back..
[22:59] <adem> hello
[23:00] <adem> i have a question, does port ubuntu on a pocket pc, like the htc polaris
[23:00] <adem> anyone?
[23:07] <GrueMaster> Apparently the FAQ doesn't cover this.  Or, you missed the link at the top of the room.  In short, no.
[23:07] <persia> adem: Not currently.  There largest issue currently is CPU support: Ubuntu Mobile is only for i386 devices at this point.
[23:19] <ScorpKing> how can i make the image-creator download the packages from my local repo instead of the internet?
[23:21] <ScorpKing> nvm. found it in /usr/share/pdk/default_config/defaults.cfg