[00:13] cheers. how do i access a share on a windows machine from my new xubuntu machine? [00:17] jimmy51vinsky, You'll need to install a samba client. [00:17] Such as PyNeighborhood [00:18] is this a good idea: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=304131&highlight=Thunar+Native+Windows+Network+Browsing ? [00:24] jimmy51vinsky, Sure [00:25] can hidden settings folders in a seperate /home partition cause system lockups after an Ubuntu release upgrade? [00:37] PsynoKhi0: generally it shouldn't. But there is always a chance that an obscure configuration item from a older version of a program could cause problems [00:38] gonna run a memtest just to be sure [00:38] You could simply add a second account and see if the problem happens in the other account [01:04] I've been having a problem with my wireless interface. It seems to lose connection every hour or so, and the only way I'm able to get connection back is by ifup/ifdown. For some additional info, I'm using a static IP addy and i use the Broadcom 43xx driver. Xubuntu 7.10. [01:07] hey guys....just upgraded to hardy heron [01:08] have noticed some wierd behavior [01:08] locking up with firefox [01:08] the terminal is also all blury and messed up....almost unreadable [01:09] installed aterm and it is fine mind you [01:09] anyone else getting this kind of stuff? [01:09] i am on an ibm t21 [01:09] i was using xubuntu befor the upgrade and it was fine [01:09] allo? [01:09] anyone? [01:11] im here...just dont know what to tell ya [01:12] you have a live cd? [01:12] up nope.... [01:12] i had the older version of xubuntu and i did an upgrade to hardy heron [01:13] the old version of xubuntu had absolutly no issues [01:13] i bet if i do a fresh install it will be fine..... [01:14] would you like a simple way to do a "almost clean" install? [01:14] without losing any of your data files? [01:19] pfischer, if you apt-get remove --purge x11-common && apt-get autoremove, it will remove the window manager and the config files for them [01:19] you can then apt-get install xubuntu-desktop to get the manager back [01:20] hmm interesting [01:20] you think it is an xwindows problem? [01:20] so its almost like a clean install [01:20] yes [01:21] are you getting clean text when you switch to a tty? [01:21] [ctrl][alt][f1] [01:22] yeah cept you do not remove the kernel [01:23] that is correct...you dont need to remove the kernel [01:23] anyone have any ideas on my wireless woes? I've been having a problem with my wireless interface. It seems to lose connection every hour or so, and the only way I'm able to get connection back is by ifup/ifdown. For some additional info, I'm using a static IP addy and i use the Broadcom 43xx driver. Xubuntu 7.10. [01:23] or shell [01:23] yeah i can try it [01:23] i have no data on here rreally....just use this laptop for learning python [01:24] what is the actual chipset? [01:24] sprauekraut: the way I solve most of my wireless issues is to give up and then buy a card that that works [01:24] zoredache: haha, if you're made of money! [01:24] vidd: you asking me? [01:25] sprauekraut, yes [01:25] "Firmware for Broadcom 43xx chipset family" [01:25] thats from my "Restricted Drivers" dialog [01:25] open a terminal [01:25] aight [01:25] now? [01:26] lspci (if pci-based) or lsusb (if usb-based) [01:26] bcm4306 [01:27] what encryption you using? [01:27] WEP [01:27] i have the same equiptment, not having the issue [01:27] =\ [01:27] really? its only been recently [01:28] that this has been a problem [01:28] its really weird, like, if i just do 'ifdown eth1/ifup eth1" it works [01:28] i was trying to do a hack by having a cron job do that every hour, but not sure how to get around the sudo issue (having to type in my password) [01:28] have you set your static IP to something outside the DHCP range of the router? [01:29] nope [01:29] see if that helps any [01:29] okay, lemme give that a try for a while and see [01:29] hi [01:30] I have DHCP turned off on the router anyways, so should that even matteR? [01:30] if dhcp is off, then yes...your IP is outside the DHCP range [01:31] okay yeah, still no dice then [01:32] have you verified that no other computer is connecting to your network with the same ip? [01:32] not really, im installing wireshark right now so i can view network traffic [01:32] i have four machines, and none of them should have the same IP [01:33] and I know that, but I haven't verified, so I'll have to do that [01:33] im like 99 percent sure that there is no ip conflicts [01:34] you also want to make sure you dont have someone trying to access your network from outside your control [01:34] yeah thats what i keep thinking [01:34] try changing your WEP code, and set up MAC filtering [01:35] that might be a good idea [01:35] do you know how i can easily find my MAC addy? [01:35] ifconfig will tell you it [01:36] oh yeah duh [01:36] thanks [01:36] HWaddr xx:xx: [01:36] =] [01:48] sprauekraut, you might want to change your WEP key a couple times a mounth [01:59] well well.... looks like yet another IRQ issue [02:34] hey [02:36] anyone got an acer aspire 5315 or a simillar notebook with an intel gm965 X3100? [02:40] having serious trouble with the videocard [03:05] Does anyone know how to mount partitions to show up as disk drives in thunar fm rather than folders? im using hardy heron [03:06] cus in xubuntu 7.10 it used to do that automatically [05:06] Was there any way to do battery calibration on xubuntu again? [05:07] not that i know of .... i believe the only xfce plugin for batteries will just monitor the charge [05:53] any command line tools then? [06:59] if you really want to recalibrate your battery: let it fully charge turn on xubuntu, and drain it until it dies. keep in mind this may impact your batteries longevity [07:07] i see u guys talking about batteries... has anyone ever tried that diy where you cut open your laptop battery case and replace whats inside with rechargeable AA batts? [07:11] nope [07:12] * gaurdro is afraid of lithium ions [07:14] what, are you affraid of exploding? Exploding is fun [07:16] I was burned by a ruptured Lion battery, since then, I stay away. not to say that I haven't set a few ablaze since then [08:06] where was the log available again? [08:08] Finnisher: how did it work out with the install? [08:09] yes, I got it installed and it prompts for password at startup... [08:09] next issues would be setting custom dns servers for wvdial and battery recalibration [08:09] at startup -> at boot actually [08:10] password at grub? [08:11] I can only assume it is grub, but before it loads anything, it asks for password, yes [08:11] and it accepts the password I set when setting up encrypted LVM [08:11] ...which is not the same passwd as the os itself [08:11] there's an option in the /boot/grub/menu.lst file that will set a password [08:12] but I don't know about encrypted filesystems [08:12] but would that reduce the security hugely? [08:12] if the password is in unencrypted / hashed form in unencrypted partition [08:12] o_O [08:13] I've never used it [08:13] I'd rather keep the encryption password all for myself, thank you ^_^ [08:13] :) [08:13] anyway, custom dns servers for wvdial and battery recalibration, any ideas? [08:13] maybe I should check out #ubuntu since these aren't really xubuntu-specific anymore [08:14] I wouldn't know... [08:37] Finnisher: there is no stored version of your password for encrypted lvm anywhere on the driv e [08:39] when setting up the dm-crypt with luks basically what happens is a large encryption key for the volume is created. The password you provide encrypts that key [08:40] so when you login you are actually providing a password to decrypt they that is used for the drive [08:42] also, you aren't challened for the password by grub, instead you are asked for the password by a script that is part of the initrd [08:47] is there a killall to shut everything down at once? [08:48] kill -1 will kill everything the user who runs it has the ability to kill [08:48] cool. just shuts it down right, no harm? [08:49] do you want to shutdown your computer or kill processes? If you want to shutdown use a command like 'sudo shutdown -h now' [08:49] ahhhhh,,,,,,, ok [08:49] kill in its meanest form could interupt applications that haven't saved all there data yet [08:49] well i'm wiped out. time to try that. [08:50] nite all [10:04] hi [10:04] my xfce resolution is horrible [10:04] i cant see anything, its all big [10:04] how can i fix it? [10:04] dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg craps out [10:24] Hello, im in need of some help. Everytime i plug my USB memory stick in, 3 Thunar windows pop up? [10:31] work well? [10:32] hi, im installing trying to install xubuntu 8.04 and it goes to a "busy box" screen after choosing to install. md5sum check pass perfectly. any idea what could be wrong? [10:37] can't find the disk [10:47] Hello [10:47] Ive some questions about ShellScripts [10:47] please pm me [10:53] Hello, Someone here ? === rZr is now known as rZZZr [11:09] nicholas: what is your problem? [11:13] Hello, im in need of some help. Everytime i plug my USB memory stick in, 3 Thunar windows pop up? [11:27] acpi and USB on a shared IRQ, dangerous or not? [11:35] PsynoKhi0: was it something you chose? [11:35] VT: what files are they mounted on? [11:36] ere4si: yes and no "nopaic nolapic pci=noacpi" in grub... looking for the reasons behind system lockups [11:37] PsynoKhi0: using a laptop? [11:37] ere4si: no, pre-2000 desktop [11:38] PsynoKhi0: I'd do a memory check [11:38] done [11:38] memtest [11:40] PsynoKhi0: anything in /var/log/syslog? [11:43] ere4si: not much more than the standard dmesg and firestarter logs [11:44] PsynoKhi0: has the memory been reseated recently? - can be an issue with older comps [11:45] not in a while no... last time was maybe right after the upgrade to gutsy [11:46] ere4si: so far the lockups have happened once I had an internet connection up and running and trying to launch some heavy stuff (for this comp that is) [11:48] brb gonna try something === ere4sli is now known as ere4si [12:25] PsynoKhi0: any luck? [12:25] nope [12:28] lockup when trying to launch opearena, wesnoth, a big AVI... [12:28] the too latter aren't an issue unless I have my connection up and running afaik [12:29] PsynoKhi0: that's cpu intensive stuff - is it something like a loose heatsink? [12:31] seems to sit nicely, I haven't touched it ever since I started using that box again (xubuntu 7.04) [12:33] btw I'm using serial mouse... aren't those picky about IRQ priorities? [12:33] is it a new thing since installing hardy or similar? [12:33] ere4si: pretty much [12:34] I had to play around with grub boot options and bios settings in fiesty and gutsy but that was to try and get my USB working [12:36] PsynoKhi0: well, I naturally think hardware when it comes to lockups - don't know what else to suggest then - sorry [12:38] http://cae.best.vwh.net/irqtune/ not exactly the most recent page but as I said I have a serial mouse on that computer [12:41] when I first installed feisty, I had to plug in a PS/2 mouse instead till I learned how to configure xorg to get my serial mouse to work... I remember having to change some bios settings afterwards too [12:42] anyway that's getting on my nerves :) [12:45] help me [12:46] [12:46] I have tried almost all versions of Cedega in Xubuntu 8.04 but ... I have never stopped playing, also probe to install the software with the wine nor anda [13:00] ola gente,que tal usar xubuntu para usar de servidor? [13:00] alguien a tenido problemas? [13:02] y otra pregunta en el repositorio ai una version desktop y alternate la alternate que es? [13:02] !english [13:02] :[ [13:02] ou sorry [13:02] hello xD [13:02] hello! [13:02] :D [13:03] my english is bad but i try [13:03] maybe there is a french ubuntu help channel [13:03] um [13:03] so can i try in english ? ::D [13:04] you could try :P [13:05] i think to start up a server machine with xubuntu and i need to know if anybody here have problem with xubuntu server use [13:05] is good for server xubuntu? [13:05] you understand? xD [13:06] xubuntu is good as a server, yes [13:06] if you need the graphical input [13:06] yes [13:06] then it's ok [13:06] :] [13:06] but i look in the repository in xubuntu have two versions to download alternate and desktop [13:07] yes [13:07] alternate ? [13:07] what its this [13:07] you can try the alternate if the desktop fails :] [13:07] aaaaaah! [13:07] ere4si, 3 thunar windows pop up with /media/disk [13:07] if you're having trouble booting the desktop cd [13:07] ok ok [13:08] thanks totalwormface :P [13:08] no problem! :] [13:08] does network manager support 802.1x wireless? [13:58] why does 3 file manager windows pop up when i plug in my usb memory stick, they all open /media/Disk [13:59] hi, how to restore closed panel in xubuntu please? [14:01] can anyone give me a tip of a small app that can batch shrink images? [14:04] convert [14:05] is that the name of the app? [14:05] type it in a terminal or sth [14:06] man convert for syntax [14:06] petoj: run xfce4-panel [14:07] MiKa^, thx [14:07] no probs. [14:07] you might need to use bash' power to get the program to do a batch job [14:20] argh dang... aspell, ispell, myspell... are all needed? [14:52] yo [14:52] so bobi.. why is there a part in the news what says > preinstalled pulseaudio by default? [14:52] I don't care as long as you don't say false things [14:53] which news do you mean? [14:54] http://xubuntu.com/news/hardy/release [14:54] New Features since Xubuntu 7.10 [14:54] "PulseAudio: The release candidate comes preinstalled with the PulseAudio sound server" [14:54] or the final lost the release candidate feature? :)) [14:54] oh, didn't see that [14:55] lol.. :) [14:55] "File systems are now mounted with the relatime" < typo [14:55] if you start to fix the news ... and thanks for it [14:55] ok, however, what's your exact problem? [14:55] the lack of the PulseAudio default [14:55] as I said in -dev too [14:56] didn't you say, you have problems installing it? [14:57] wait..why do you ask about the install problem? .. If I'm according to the news, then it would at least find the "pulseaudio" command by typing it into console [14:58] and even if I install, I wasn't be able to get it work. But thats maybe a PEBKAC, a fault of mine.. but still.. [15:00] according to the website it should be there, if not sudo apt-get install pulseaudio will do the job [15:01] but i still don't understand the problem [15:01] hey. if I am using xubuntu on my VDS. and multiple users are connected to it through NX client or something. will they all see the same desktop or different desktops? [15:01] it should be installed .. not? I guess preinstalling means something like that [15:03] i'm not responsible for the website nor for the release notes. the only thing i can help you out is, when you tell me the concrete problem, when trying to get pulseaudio installed or running [15:04] okay..then I will use that help later [15:04] I have Ubuntu ATM..cause it works at least [15:04] ok [15:05] hey guys. something driving me crazy. every time i start xubuntu up, the update manager starts, and i don't know how to stop it. its unchecked in the autostarted applications section of the menu, so i don't know/can't figure what gives. this is gutsy btw. [15:06] I never had such problem on Gutsy :S ... but what do you mean? The GUI package manager (syanptic) starts? [15:06] (like KDE remembers the last apps ?) [15:07] not the synaptic, but the 'update manager' [15:07] ahh.. there is an option what says "check updates every" -> XYtime [15:07] this laptop is so old and slow that its really a pain to wait for it to process up [15:07] uhm..maybe.. a sec [15:08] i have the software sources update set to check daily, but on other machines i run it never starts up like that. if theres updates it puts the notifier icon up in the panel until i click on it... [15:09] huhm...so you're removed it from session + the whole update manager start.. hmm.. [15:10] at least ... remove it and use aptitude? :) (im just joking ...) [15:10] hmmm. ya, its really bugging me out. [15:11] * wallybuntu is all bugged out [15:27] If I use xubuntu on my VPS, and multiple users are connected to it via NX client or something. Will they all see different desktops or the same one? [17:19] hello, how can i make xubuntu automount cd's and dvd's? [17:30] where can I install libxfce4panel-1.0 ?? [17:45] sorry? [17:51] Ello~! [17:52] Everything is fixed now! [17:52] Xubuntu runs fine [17:52] and the network and router are running just as perfect [18:01] hey ummm [18:01] xubuntu cant get viruses right?? [18:08] right? [18:14] it can, but that's unlikely [18:14] as there aren't many viruses, or any viruses at all out there for it [18:15] hmmm [18:15] good [18:15] so it does'nt get any windows type viruses [18:15] because linux is a diffrent filesystem [18:15] no it can't get windows viruses [18:15] it's different in most ways [18:16] !virus [18:16] hmm. no bots... :( [18:17] Kaemon12433, also xubuntu has a great firewall on by default [18:17] i did'nt know that [18:17] wow [18:17] that was one of the problems windows had [18:17] i see [18:17] wow [18:17] before windows xp sp2 windows never had a firewall on by default and was completely open [18:17] i'm loving linux more and more everyday! [18:18] A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21 [18:18] kk [18:18] cleaton: is ufw on by defualt? [18:19] ufw is just a tool to edit iptables [18:19] iptables is the firewall [18:19] ok. i get what you are saying now [18:19] and yes, it should be installed by default [18:19] but i don't think ufw has a gui? [18:19] becuase doing "sudo ufw status" says that it is not loaded. [18:20] no ufw has no gui [18:20] it's more fore easy configuration of http servers [18:20] ufw http, should open port 80 [18:20] and so on [18:20] ufw seems pretty cool [18:20] yeah for a server administrator it's great [18:21] because iptables can be a mess [18:21] hi [18:21] I'm on 7.10 [18:21] i like firestaarter [18:21] firestarter* [18:21] I swear I haven't touch anything, but suddenly icons/desktop theme has suddenly changed! [18:21] there is a green littly guy where there used to be a door [18:22] and Places icon has changed too [18:22] scrollbars and windows too [18:22] Mannequin: seems like your system fell back to the default scheme instaed of the xubuntu one... [18:22] maybe I pressed some shortcut without noticing [18:23] Mannequin: raleigh i think is the name [18:23] Mannequin: was it like that the moment you logged on? [18:23] Odd-rationale: thanks [18:23] Mannequin: You fixed it? [18:23] Odd-rationale: no, it was suddenly, while doing "nothing" (nothing outside what I always do) [18:23] yes! [18:23] Mannequin: ok! [18:24] I just went to Settings -> ... and even before I clicked on "Destkop settings", the theme automagically changed back [18:24] really weird [18:27] anyone else then me has this problem with xubuntu 8.04 that cd's and dvd's aren't mounting? [18:30] anyone know why xhost +localhost tlels me "cannot open display "" "?? [18:33] mike-ekim: probably because you are running as root and you don't have your DISPLAY variable set [18:34] oh. [18:34] do an sudo -s instead of sudo su - [18:35] how can I set it [18:35] echo $DISPLAY shows nothing [18:36] zoredache: how is that different from sudo -i ? [18:38] -i similates a login [18:38] root will not inherit any of the enviroment information like your DISPLAY value [18:39] sudo -s starts a shell that will have all the enviroment from your regular account including your DISPLAY [18:44] how can I prevent nautilus from opening ? [18:46] i dont get it [18:47] I just reinstalled a new operating suystem with ubuntu desktop, and i still have no DISPLAY variable set [18:47] i am logged in currently only through ssh [18:47] eh? [18:47] what OS are you sshing from? [18:49] when you are running a GUI program remotely through ssh where are you expecting the output to go? The console of the computer you are connected to or the console of the machine you are connecting from? [18:50] If you are connecting from an OS that has a working X11 then you should be able to ssh with the '-X' paramater. This will automatically set the DISPLAY to send gui apps back to the computer you are connecting from [19:24] i just managed to set up x11vnc, how can i protect this with password authentication? [19:24] bind x11vnc to the localhost interface only, and then only access it through an ssh tunnel [19:25] or check the x11vnc man page... there is a way for it to save a password. It isn't particularly secure though [19:25] does anyone encounter a bug in hadry...specifically xubuntu....where the default applications list is empty; in that firefox does not know how to open ANY file??? [19:26] it doesnt know the default app for any mimetype [19:26] why pick xubuntu over, say, ubuntu? [19:26] or kubuntu? [19:26] i have already deleted mimeTypes.rdf [19:26] xfce is the reason for me [19:27] Hasone: xubuntu tends to be more minimialist... it application with less bells-and-whistles [19:27] xfce moscly uses files to change settings? is it n00b-unfriendly? [19:27] In some cases this means xfce can be faster [19:27] xubuntu is mostly noob friendly there are still rough spots [19:28] there is only thing that bother me about xfce---inability to graphically edit the menus---other than that way faster than gnome and WAY faster than kde [19:28] what about language localization? [19:29] i kno someone has encountered that bug with firefox 3 [19:29] it works fine in gnome [19:33] is kubuntu window manager more RAM hungry than gnome? [19:34] damn.. is there a way to launch an application without a window manager? and have some type of remote access to it [19:34] what OS are you connecting from mike-ekim [19:35] is `unlock' feature supposed to work? [19:40] wgat ybkicj[ [19:43] i xkill-ed my panel. how do i bring it back [19:44] redwhitewaldo: run 'xfce4-panel' [19:44] zoredache: thanks. [19:54] how do i mount a samba share? [19:55] i don't have the corresponding program mount.smbfs [19:56] install the smbfs package [19:56] oh, and I suggest you use mount.cifs instead of mount.smbfs [19:57] cifs? [19:57] you might also want to look at installing fusesmb [19:57] CIFS is the 'standard' name for SMB [19:58] how secure is samba by default? [19:58] mount.cifs for example will not allow you to transfer a file larger then 2GB [19:58] oh... interesting... then, why do I need mount.cifs? [19:58] if you are just using samba as a client there is no significant additional security exposure [19:59] you need mount.cifs because you can't transfer your ripped DVD isos with mount.smbfs [20:02] i'm using samba as a server also [20:02] i need to share some files between a windows and a 2 linux machines [20:02] i'm using my laptop as a server (the other two are virtual machines) [20:02] i have some problems configuring samba [20:03] i enabled homes section [20:03] but i get this when trying to mount [20:03] ~$ smbclient -U voodoo -L localhost [20:03] Password: [20:03] session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE [20:03] did you set the smbpassword for your voodoo account? [20:06] hmm... no... forgot... 10x, works now [20:06] how do I configure samba to use my linux account password? [20:07] you would disable the encrypt password option... but keep in mind that doing so would preven win2k/winxp/win2k3/winvista from being able to connect to your server [20:08] your unix account uses an different encrypted hash then what samba needs to be compatible with recent windows opoerating systems [20:09] of course there is registry hacking you could do on the windows side to for windows to work in win9x mode. But then you make samba extremely insecure [20:11] it is generally better to just use the smbpasswd tool to set the password for each account that needs to login [20:14] ok 10x... smbpasswd changes also the unix password? doesn't it? [20:15] no [20:16] or at least not by default. There may be some kind of option to set that [20:17] interfaces option is a kind of filter for samba? [20:29] zoredache, one more question if you have patience :) how do I mount a subdir of a share? [20:30] # mount -t smbfs \\\\172.16.37.2\\voodoo\\src ./src/ -o credentials=/etc/samba/credentials [20:30] doesn't work [20:30] where \\\\172.16.37.2\\voodoo is the share [20:33] how can I prevent gnome-terminal from starting up in xfce? === bomBeR is now known as li0n [21:57] does anyone know if something run under sudo will show up as sudo in top or what was run? [22:00] as what was run [22:02] I dunno, i notice that the governer was constantly setting my cpu to full on and a quick run of top shows sudo using 100%. I don't know what was run with it that it's still running. [22:03] in top there is a column for pid - sudo will have a number - press k then enter the pid for sudo [22:04] I did and as non-root it says operation not permitted as root it does nothing. [22:05] you might want to 'sudo apt-get install htop' ... htop is a much nicer utility [22:06] gaurdro: I'd reboot [22:06] ooh pretty it has colors, and the command that was run. thanks [22:06] htop worked then? [22:07] yes, [22:08] i just (like an hour ago) installed xubuntu hardy on my HP laptop. It was a fresh install, and now i am unable to mount external drives, so all the stuff i need to transfer is inaccessible. I had been working on Ubuntu Gutsy, so i'm not as familiar with xcfe. Suggestions [22:12] vladomirj: have a look in lsusb and df -h to see if the externals show [22:13] ere4si: would i look in lsusb using gedit? [22:13] vladomirj: lsusb is a terminal command [22:14] ere4si: should i throw the output for both in the pastebin, or just here (it's my first time in the channel) [22:15] !paste | vladomirj [22:15] where's the bot? [22:15] dunno... [22:16] the bot works with a /msg... but not in here [22:17] ere4si: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9291/ [22:17] there has been some recent termoil with the irc ops ... i think the bot is temporarily out of the channels due to some bot abuse [22:17] brb [22:20] vladomirj: the system isn't recognising the externals as hard drives [22:20] exactly [22:20] vladomirj: I'll need to read some to find a solution - one min [22:20] thank you [22:27] ere4si: sorry, i got knocked off [22:28] vladomirj: s'ok still reading - can you in terminal do dmesg | grep hal [22:29] ere4si: there's no output to that command [22:29] dmesg | grep hald then? [22:30] nothing again [22:32] vladomirj: I think it is a hal prob but have no experience with that - does the external show with fdisk -l ? [22:34] ere4si: i don't think so http://paste.ubuntu.com/9298/ [22:35] vladomirj: no it's not found [22:36] i have a wireless mouse that i plug into the usb which is working fine, so i dont believe that the usb ports are faulty [22:43] thanks for your help regardless, ere4si [22:43] vladomirj: still reading but not finding much... === bomBeR is now known as li0n