[00:00] some brazilian here ? [00:41] I have a question regarding Server Edition Hardy Heron... [00:41] In previous version it ran automatically in X-Windows... [00:42] This version, it doesn't, is this to increase performance? [00:42] In this case, is the idea to log in graphically to perform [00:42] msaul: how do you mean? [00:42] When I installed desktop - full graphical [00:42] When I wiped system and installed server, it is just text based [00:43] No graphics [00:43] It mentions this in documentation as difference [00:43] servers generally don't have graphical programs on them [00:43] between 8.04 desktop and server versions... [00:43] Can LTSP be run on desktop version? [00:43] sure [00:44] So I could install just desktop versions [00:44] well [00:44] and it has LTSP automatically installed? [00:44] first tell me what you're trying to do [00:44] Setting up lab with 15 thin clients [00:44] Already did over 3 years [00:45] with high schools with 5.10, 6.04, 6.10 and 7.10 [00:45] Liked the automatic install of LTSP [00:45] so I could connect [00:45] ok [00:45] to thin clients with PXE 2.0 nic cards [00:45] so you want to get the Ubuntu Alternate CD [00:46] i.e. kiss principle [00:46] I can understand if server version is more efficient [00:46] no, it's not really about that [00:47] there's only one CD that will automatically install LTSP for you [00:47] Is that the server edition? [00:47] no [00:47] the Ubuntu Alternate CD [00:47] I saw that, but was confused ... [00:48] wasn't intuitive to me... [00:48] when selecting download path... [00:48] check out https://wiki.edubuntu.org/HardyClassroomServer [00:48] Thanks, I will do that, and burn that CD... [00:48] The server edition won't work because LTSP is a desktop server [00:48] so it needs all the desktop packages [00:49] OK [00:49] I will check out your link and save for future reference.... [00:49] Thanks [00:49] no problem [00:52] ping ogra [00:53] riched_: is that you? [00:53] hi LaserJock [00:53] on the classmate ... my notenbook s dinged :( [00:54] oh, what did you do to it ? [00:54] ever seen this before ? system boots okay ... get gui login [00:54] accepts user / pass [00:54] tt1 shows up for 1 sec [00:54] screen blanks [00:54] back to login [00:54] infinite cycle [00:54] ??? [00:55] hmm, no [00:55] thats your lappie ? [00:55] if i give incorrect credentials ... it tells me ... [00:56] sounds like an X server issue [00:56] so my login in is correct [00:56] yep my HP [00:56] did you do an upgrade ? [00:56] what command line util can i run to correct / diagnose [00:57] nope ... did not upgrade ... am doing so over weekend [00:57] get me your /var/log/Xorg.0.log [00:58] and .xsession-errors from your homedir [00:58] * riched_ tries that ... hang on [01:00] no .xsession-erros [01:00] no .xsession-errors file [01:00] weird [01:01] that gets created if your gnome session starts [01:01] so it dies before [01:01] which indicates even more its an X prob [01:01] but its strange that you have a login manager then [01:02] did you try to select a different session ? [01:04] how do i output a file contents from the command line ? [01:04] grep ? [01:04] cat or less [01:05] triedn default gnome [01:05] same damn thing [01:05] try failsafe Xterm [01:06] then run gnome-session in there [01:06] and see if you get any error [01:06] tried failsafe gnome ... GDM filespace error [01:06] aha [01:06] that's the prob [01:06] smells like a full disk [01:06] suspected that [01:06] me goes to do some culling [01:06] empty your evolution trash [01:07] * ogra usually forgets about that and often finds several 100M to make room [01:08] did yu recently install any updates ? sudo apt-get clean could then already save your butt [01:09] * LaserJock has been grading lab reports for hours [01:09] man my brain is fried [01:09] with a laser ? [01:10] how do i see free space from command line / [01:10] df -h [01:12] ogra: no lasers today [01:16] it [01:16] iws [01:16] bah ... small kbd big fingers tired brain [01:16] it is alive again ... ;0 [01:17] * riched_ can now go to bed without a morning panic :) [01:17] thanks fellows [01:17] sleep well ogra [01:18] you too [01:18] have a nice day LaserJock ... less acid dude ... no more brain frying [01:18] i'll go on to do some merges, intrpid just opened [01:18] bye [01:35] ogra: wow, gcompris is up-to-date. I thought for sure we'd need a merging :-) [01:35] heh [01:36] i only have four pkgs on the list [01:36] I don't have any in Main [01:36] 2 in Universe [01:36] lenny is keeping debian from doing updates i guess [01:36] that may be it yeah [01:36] i know vagrant is *very* cautious to do any updates [01:37] or maybe we did a better job in Hardy of keeping up-to-date :-) [01:37] even though he doesnt belive lenny will happen before dec [01:37] my bet is on lenny ;-) [01:37] yeah [01:38] well, I go with the release date and then add ~ 6 months [01:38] heh === johnny8 is now known as johnny_ [01:38] i said feb :) [01:38] uggh [01:38] is flash broken on amd64 again? [01:38] * LaserJock cries [01:39] johnny_: in general or just on LTSP? [01:39] in general [01:39] should work with nspluinwrapper [01:39] +g [01:40] libgcc_s.so.1 [01:40] says that is missing [01:46] that is npviewer.bin itself [01:46] weird [01:46] i know many people use it [01:46] it's a registered bug i think too.. [01:46] now if only i can find it [01:48] 180478 [01:48] it is bug 180478 [01:50] i am just not good enough debian/ubuntu to be able to fix this crap [01:50] but that is what we have.. [01:50] an earlier version if ia32-libs has it i think [01:51] Flash Plugin installed. [01:51] /usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386/linux/npviewer.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgcc_s.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [01:51] nspluginwrapper: no appropriate viewer found for /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so [01:56] ogra, any ideas for me? [01:56] to figure this thing out? [01:57] not really, i'm not really familiar with ia32-libs, but i know many people use it with success [02:01] ugghz [02:02] i feel like since the upgrade didn't complete all the way through [02:02] i missed af ew things [02:02] ie: the cleanup phase never ran [02:02] also.. the internet just goes down randomly now [02:02] i can't pinpoint why [02:02] but at least once a day, i have to restart the computer [02:02] run u-m again ? [02:02] it says it's done [02:03] but it's hard for me to believe [02:03] did you do y proper update from gutsy-updates before starting ? [02:03] s/y/a [02:03] i did do all the updates i had [02:04] before starting the upgrade [02:04] strange [02:04] lsb_release -a ? [02:04] it says hardy [02:04] there goes the internet again [02:04] only a reboot solves it [02:04] there's nothing in dmesg [02:06] NM works properly ? [02:06] i guess.. :) [02:06] and ubuntu-desktop is installed? [02:06] yes [02:07] i dont really have an idea ... you might want to talk to mvo tomorrow who does u-m [02:09] well .. this internet problem is more important [02:09] i'm getting serious flack now [02:10] there's nothing in the logs either :( [02:11] i need to figure out if it's the driver [02:11] or some random software [02:11] what card ? [02:11] b44 [02:11] eeek [02:11] it is onboard [02:11] * ogra boggles facing the boradcom [02:11] it worked great until hardy [02:12] firmware out of date ? [02:12] for wired ? [02:12] wired [02:12] hmm, i never had a wired bracom [02:12] *broadcom [02:12] it's not bcm43xx or anythign [02:12] it's just b44 :) [02:12] hmm.. maybe i should migrate back to the 22 kernel [02:13] there is a fresh kernel in hardy-proposed [02:14] so.. what should i do to upgrade [02:14] hmm, nothing about b44 [02:15] i just wish i could tell if twas the driver somehow [02:17] any suggestions on that? [02:20] test [02:20] am i still here [02:20] yes [02:21] uggh.. stupid internet [02:21] i wont be much longer ... nearly 3:30 here [02:21] (am) [02:21] yeah.. figured [02:29] hello, I am a relative noob in linux and have some issue with burning cds. i probably tried 3 different media and it always came up with an error. now online it says to add my username after "disk" in etc/group , so far so good, but how can I save group after I changed it? [02:39] any idea? [02:44] uggh... this is lame [02:45] after every upgrade of ubuntu.. i have to spend at least 6 hours trying to figure something out [02:45] what is that? [02:53] this burning stuff is so devestating... going through cds like sherman through atlanta... [02:56] kingair_six: whe does it give you an error? [02:58] when using the nautilus feature with right klick "write to disc" [02:58] it gives it immediately [02:58] with k3b it does not let me choose a drive or does not recognize the empty media [02:59] man [02:59] that stinks [02:59] I haven't had problems like that for years :/ [02:59] now i found one possible solution, to write my username into etc/group after disc, but i couldnt figure out how to save groups after i edited it, wouldnt let me [02:59] i'm sorry to bring it up... i just started with linux three days ago [02:59] you need to have administrator permissions [03:00] well, it's an administrator account [03:00] how did you edit it? [03:00] * johnny_ cries [03:00] what app? [03:00] holdon, checkin [03:00] gedit [03:00] from the menu? [03:01] jup, rightclick-> text editor [03:01] or something like that [03:01] ok, I'll give you an easier way to do it [03:01] thx! [03:02] go to System -> Administration -> Users and Groups [03:02] yep [03:02] hit "unlock" [03:02] k [03:02] then hit the "Manage Groups" button [03:02] alright, [03:03] that gives you a list of all the groups [03:03] yup [03:06] kingair_six: not sure if that'll help your Cd problem but that's the best way to mess with users and groups [03:07] oke, then i just add disk there? [03:09] no [03:09] find the disk group and hit Properties [03:09] then it'll give you a list of users that you can add to it [03:09] it is not in there though? [03:10] ok [03:10] hmm [03:13] kingair_six: do you have a link for the reference that said to use the disk group? [03:13] nope, i'm sorry, was on a different computer [03:13] k [03:14] what error do you get with the "write to disc" method [03:14] ? [03:17] aehm, hang on a sec [03:18] alright, aehm [03:19] There was an error writing to the disc: [03:19] Could not run the necessary command: Failed to execute child process "wodim" (Permission denied) [03:22] alright, it just worked for the first time on a try with gnome baker or so, i gotta leave now, thank's for the help, appreciate this open community! [06:34] dpkg -L ia32-libs | grep gcc [06:34] nothin.. [06:34] * johnny looks for the old version [06:45] hmm.. guess not.. [06:53] ok.. wrong place for that.. [06:53] must be a path issue somehow then [06:59] finally thought about the issue [06:59] where does ubuntu handle 32bit library path handling? [07:00] i see no /lib/32 in /etc/ld.so.conf [07:00] i don't have any other 64bit ubuntu installs to check with [07:16] oh.. looks like my updatedb wasn't cronned anymore.. [08:39] hi === gnomefre1k is now known as gnomefreak [14:04] hi all i've got a problem with ltsp-bulid-client it fails to complete and complains about lacks of package xubuntu-artwork-usplash [14:04] any idea? [14:05] you ned to use --components main,restricted,universe with ltsp-build-client [14:05] xubuntu is built from universe now, ltsp only builds from main ackages by default [14:06] *packages [14:06] ok i see [14:06] so: sudo ltsp-build-client --components main,restricted,universe [14:07] ok - let's find out [14:10] i've got another question : have somebody tested terminals running kde4 ? [14:11] why should that be any different from any other desktop ? [14:12] it runs on the server in a ssh session or with forwarded DISPLAY ... shouldn make a difference if you run kde 3 or 4 [14:14] well i know that i only wondered if Kde4 is light enough [14:15] at least compareble with Xfce [14:16] light/heavy will only affect your server [14:16] i'm setting right now LTSP in some NGO - a lot of "voulonteers" are working on therminals and i want to give them the best impression about Linux [14:16] not the clients ... [14:17] so if your server is capable of handling kde4 sessions for every user that should be any issue [14:17] *shouldnt [14:18] hm what is capable - it's pentium D 2.8 and 2 GB ram [14:19] thanks for advice - about ltsp-build-clients it worked [14:19] general rule for an ubuntu desktop: 256M for running the server plus 128M for every running session [14:19] do the math :) [14:19] hm i've got 5 termials [14:20] then you have a good buffer :) [14:20] ;) [14:20] ok just one more question [14:21] i've got a printer pluged to terminal it's often 'gets down' and it is nessesery to reboot terminal [14:21] is it mine's issue or is it LTSP wide ? [14:22] how much ram does the client have ? [14:22] 128 [14:23] all cilents have 128 (dell GX1) [14:24] hmm, should actually be enough [14:24] which release are you using ? [14:25] right now none ;) previously 7.10 [14:25] none ? [14:25] today i've upgraded server to 2GB Ram and bigger drive [14:26] on what are you running ltsp-build-client atm ?= [14:26] 8.04 [14:26] problem was in 6.10 - 7.10 [14:26] there were some fixes ... [14:26] but also one bug in 8.04 with printing [14:27] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/224259 [14:28] ok - to set a printer i edit lts.conf and add an ipp printer ? [14:28] that will affect you as well (workaround included) [14:28] no, ltsp uses HP Jetdirect [14:29] you set PRINTER_0_DEVICE to point to the lp device in lts.conf [14:29] silly me (i mean JD) [14:29] and in the users session set up a jetdirect printer pointing to the client IP [14:30] so like in LTSP 4.x [14:31] well [14:31] you only need one option in lts.conf [14:31] in 4.2 you needed a whole bunch [14:31] but beyond that, yes [14:32] (i'm planning to get rid of the last option as well btw :) and automate it through udev if a printer is detected ) [14:33] it were nicer if it all was transparent to admin - just plug printer and serwer detects it ;) [14:34] right [14:34] we'll get there :) [14:34] just takes development time [14:34] how about local media - is any progres in this area [14:35] only small changes in comparison to 7.10 [14:35] my dummies ;) are confused when i told them you have to go to /media/[username]/drive [14:36] well, gnome handles it fine [14:36] how about xfce? [14:36] if you would use nautilus instead of thunar :) [14:36] whatever thunar uses in the backend doesnt monitor /media [14:37] but the ltspfsmounter script is a trivial little python thing, it should be easy to add two lines to put links on the user desktops on plug and remove them accordingly [14:38] its just nothing we'D ever do my default (putting links on desktops) [14:38] hm - i konw a python [14:39] where can i find ltspfsmounter [14:39] ? [14:40] /usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter [14:40] on the server [14:40] thx [14:41] well i would like to contribute to ltsp in ubuntu but i'm only fluent in python and php [14:42] is there something that i can do [14:42] with such skils? [14:42] there are three functions, add remove and cleanup ... removoe the links in cleanup and remove, add a link in add :) [14:42] python is fine :) [14:42] we dont really do php anywhere [14:42] some shell scripting knowledges would probably also help [14:42] indeed [14:43] but there is nothing in a shellscript you couldnt also do with py ;) [14:44] indeed [14:47] stgraber: in theory i also know C,C++, Java ;) but i've never wrote somthing bigger than excercise on classes [14:48] LTSP also has some part written in C (jetpipe and ldm IIRC) but most of it is shell scripts and some python scripts [14:48] jetpipe is still python [14:48] ok - a general question has E/K/X/Ubuntu any gui-tool that allows user to change their password [14:48] killsalad: yep [14:48] and i dont really want to change it, C would add extra complexity [14:48] System -> Preferences -> About Me [14:49] stgraber: not present in Xubuntu [14:50] that's in gnome, so Ubuntu and Edubuntu [14:50] Kubuntu probably has something similar, not sure about Xubuntu [14:55] ok - it seams that user manager is capable [15:01] * ogra sighs about https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FirewallConfiguration [15:15] hm i was wandering if it could be possible to have one guest account with ability to multile login [15:21] technically yes [15:21] but none of the desktops likes that [15:21] yeah [15:21] nor firefox or openoffice [15:49] you would need some kind of temporary home directory that would copy the main one /home/xyz to something like /tmp/xyz.pid. But then changes would be dropped when closing the session. [17:51] hey LaserJock [18:27] does anyone have suggestions of the best apps/games to run on thin clients for 1st-5th grade? [20:37] anyone here running edubuntu classroom server? [20:38] i tend to just call that ltsp :) [20:41] as i think you are on the ltsp channel too, i'm looking for recommendations of games or websites that run well on thin clients [20:43] it all depends on your network [20:46] i am working on getting more memory but for now we have a dell poweredge with dual core intel xeon 2.40 ghz processors and 3 gig memory. clients are dell gx110 with 128 ram [20:46] and the network? [20:47] i found out recently that our switch has gigabit uplink [20:47] when i have time to move things around.. i'll see if it makes any real difference [20:48] we have T1 lines and use a gig switch [20:49] think that is right, the recommended switch for ltsp [23:29] Hello [23:30] Anyone available to answer an error question about ubuntu 8.4 AMD64 ? I'm a new user