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nixternalJontheEchidna: will do, thanks for that heads up00:13
nixternalsitting in a nice air conditioned room00:14
JontheEchidnaYesterday we had to turn the heat on. :/00:15
JontheEchidnaBut don't worry, we'll have unbearable heat come summer00:17
vorianevening01:04
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jjesseevening :)03:59
lownoizesomebody knows who feels responsible for the kubuntu mirrors list?04:03
ScottKI think #canonical-sysadmin handles that, but I'm not certain.04:24
Jucato#ubuntu-mirrors ?04:26
jjessedang i'm hungry04:28
jjesseordering room service  :(04:30
Jucato:(04:33
nixternalI am an idiot04:45
nixternalinstead of downloading the 4.0.4 tarballs, I downloaded the 4.0.3 tarballs04:45
ScottKRecognizing the problem is the first step to solving it.04:45
Jucatoit was like me downloading 7.10 DVD instead of 8.04... :(04:45
nixternalheh04:46
nixternalnothing like grabbing all of the KDE 4.0.4 tarballs at 200KiB/s04:46
jjessethat probablly took a while04:46
JucatoDVD.. 56Kbps... :)04:47
Jucatotook 24+ hours04:47
JucatoI'm still the greater tool :P04:47
jjessei've always known that ;)04:48
* ScottK is upgrading the kids' computer to Hardy right now. 04:48
Jucatojust reasserting my throne :)04:48
ScottKI'm sufficiently lazy that I'm doing it via ssh instead of walking into the other room.04:48
jjessethat's awesome04:48
Jucatolol :)04:49
robotgeekJucato: i tried to upgrade using the ubuntu 8.04 cd. it did not work :(04:53
jjessenixternal: is it tru i heard you are working becoming a core dev?04:53
nixternaljjesse: more than likely05:01
nixternalwill possibly work on my application in the next week or so05:01
jjesseyay05:01
nixternalgotta figure out who all uploaded my crack for the past 2 years into main05:02
nixternalI can think of 3...is crimsun a core-dev? I can't remember since he doesn't say much anymore :p05:02
nixternalooh, imbrandon uploaded my crack too05:02
ScottKHe is05:02
jjesseyay05:02
nixternalScottK: did you upload any of my crack?05:02
ScottKYes.05:02
nixternalthought so05:02
nixternalooh, and pitti05:03
nixternalpitti uploaded all of my security crack05:03
jjesseand don't forget Riddell05:03
jjesse:P05:03
nixternalya, he makes 605:03
jjessehow many do you "need"?05:03
nixternalis tonio core-dev?05:03
ScottKHe is.05:03
nixternalas many as possible05:03
nixternalw00t, that makes 705:03
jjessehow many coore-deve are there?05:03
nixternaldamn, Kubuntu has quite a few core-devs05:04
nixternaljjesse: quite a few :)05:04
ScottKI think most of the rest of us have a lot less impact than Riddell.05:04
nixternalnah, you all are just as important in my book05:05
nixternalI keep hearing about this JR guy, who is he?05:05
ScottKFor Hardy kde-guidance sucks substantially less than it would have otherwise and I did some decent stuff in the python-qt/kde packages, but that's about it.05:05
nixternalit would be nice to have with KDE 4 going into main for 8.1005:06
jjesse54 active members according to launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev05:06
nixternalthen I can actually maintain MY kvkbd package too instead of linking debdiff's left and right05:06
nixternalwould be nice to get that into Debian, but they said NOPE, don't want it05:07
ScottKWhy don't they want it?05:07
nixternalno need for it because tehre is already a virtual keyboard05:09
nixternalto bad their idea of a virtual keyboard is a) crap, and b) crap05:09
daskreecHnixternal: Tha'ts you? I was looking for a -kde4 version05:09
nixternalisn't one yet05:10
ScottKNew version of lintian in Debian.  I wonder what pain it holds for us.05:11
jjesselots?05:12
nixternalprobably an understatement05:13
jjessewhy are tv commericails so much louder then the tv?05:13
nixternalthat is marketing for you05:13
ScottKnixternal: That was the kde team?  You could always have it sponsored outside the team.05:14
nixternaleven if it were in Debian, it would never get a proper sync, but I will talk to annma tomorrow and get it uploaded tomorrow05:15
nixternalI went through the mentor process prior, which I now realize kind of sucks05:16
ScottKIt's kind of hit or miss in my experience.05:16
jjessethe devbian mentor process?05:16
ScottKWorking through an established team is generally better when you can find one.05:16
daskreecHnixternal: ping05:31
daskreecHgot the debian dir05:31
daskreecHdropped it in the 4.0.71 tarball05:32
ScottKnixternal: I just had one of those senior moments too.05:47
* ScottK just was reminded (after much investigating to figure out why) that the new changes won't be in the binary if you don't rebuild the package after you change the source ....05:48
nixternallol05:48
stdinthat's nothing, I just wanted to cd to a dir, and typed "kde dir/" ...05:49
nixternalkdelibs-4.0.4 continues chugging away05:49
daskreecHHa ha :)05:49
daskreecHYay stdin is here as well :)05:50
daskreecHI'm cleaning house but I look over here every 4-5 minutes05:50
daskreecHI have the debian dir from 4.0.3 in 4.0.7105:51
* stdin woke up ~40 mins ago, so don't expect much05:51
daskreecHnixternal: Would it make more sense to use the dir from 4.0.4 ?05:51
stdinthere won't be much difference between the 4.0.3 dir and the 4.0.4 dir05:52
daskreecHok just checking05:52
daskreecHso .. throw this at ppa ?05:53
stdinafter changing the version/build-deps05:53
daskreecHWhy does Mount try to auto complete files?05:55
nixternalactually, so far there is 1 change between 4.0.3 and 4.0.4 for kdelibs05:56
daskreecHkeep all the patches I assume?05:58
nixternaloh more than likely not05:58
nixternalyou will get heap failures left and right05:58
nixternalhehe, if this is your first time packaging, KDE 4.1 alpha may not be a good package to learn from05:59
nixternalif people want to test kde4 alpha, I am almost inclined to tell them check out openSUSE or Debian :p05:59
nixternalotherwise people will try it and flood LP with bug reports on Plasma for the next month05:59
stdintesting what patches are still needed, which were applied upstream and which just need editing is the best part! (not)05:59
ScottKnixternal: For Hardy I think staying on 4.0 is best, but once Intrepid opens, I think we ought to get 4.1 (based on Debian) in ASAP.06:00
nixternalour 4.0.x is based on Debian..we merge changes, just not our .install files and have changes to kde.mk06:01
nixternalbut once we move kde4 to main, then totally start working from their builds06:01
nixternalI think we should either a) backport 4.1 to hardy, or b) put 4.1 for hardy in the PPAs06:02
daskreecHDebian doesn't have a 4.0.7106:02
ScottKI'd say do that at beta.06:02
* nixternal notes that debuild -nc on this lappy is not fun06:02
daskreecHthey have 4.0.70+svn and 4.0.7206:03
nixternalScottK: if KDE 4 is in main, then yes, because Debian doesn't install KDE 3 and KDE 4 side-by-side I don't believe06:03
nixternalyou either have KDE 3 or you have KDE 406:03
daskreecHI think we should probably have a 4.1 snapshot with warnings for hardy and a tracking PPa for intrepid06:03
ScottKRIght.  They don't.06:03
ScottKThe trick is I think our Hardy packages should always work side by side.  Not so for Intrepid.06:04
nixternalcorrect, and correct :)06:04
nixternalwell, they will still work side by side in Intrepid, as moving KDE to universe and then installing it to /opt/kde3 I think was the track for it06:04
nixternalmoving KDE 3 to universe that is06:05
daskreecHWhich KDE?06:05
daskreecHok06:05
ScottKLast time Riddell mentioned it, it seemed he wanted it as dead as possible as soon as possible.06:05
daskreecHKDE3?06:06
ScottK1931kB/S from us.archive.ubuntu.com is a lot better than last week.06:06
ScottKdaskreecH: Yes.06:06
daskreecHI dunno a lot of people might not move from it till 4.206:06
nixternalhrmm, maybe debian does allow side-by-side, they just install it to different locations that us06:06
daskreecHsome not till 4.306:06
ScottKWell that's what I tried to suggest and I got a lot of pushback.06:07
daskreecHthat's 15 months away06:07
nixternalya, they do install side-by-side06:07
ScottKIf we were going to keep kde3 around for another year, we could have done LTS for Hardy.06:07
nixternalwhere kde3 has */kde/ directories, for kde4 they did */kde4/ and such06:07
nixternaland all binaries have a 4 appended to them06:08
nixternalScottK: I will leave the LTS comments to a minimum around here :p06:08
ScottKJust saying.06:09
nixternalhehe, totally understand06:09
ScottKI think we need to focus on KDE4 and move on.06:09
nixternalI feel the same, but we do have large rollouts that are currently committed to KDE 306:09
ScottKAnd so they can stay on hardy for 18 months while it settles out.06:10
nixternalI think the school systems going with KDE 4 will be fine, but I don't know about the French Parliament06:10
nixternalthat is true06:10
nixternalbreak time...while kdelibs builds out..gonna go grab some ice cream :)06:10
ScottKI'll probably stay on Hardy KDE3 on my desktop for quite some time.06:11
* daskreecH wants KDE 4.106:14
* daskreecH wants to build it as well06:14
* ScottK wants this Hardy upgrade to finish so he can go to bed.06:17
daskreecHnixternal: kwin44 ?06:20
Jucatoyeah. wor KDE 44.05.106:20
Jucatos/wor/for/06:20
* daskreecH blinks06:21
daskreecHJucato: Huh?06:22
Jucatoyou haven't heard of KDE 44? it's the Desktop of the 32nd century06:22
daskreecHOh right06:23
daskreecHit will usher in the year of the Linux Desktop06:23
daskreecHOf course all the headlineswill read Gnome puts it's foot up Apple's ****06:23
daskreecHAapple which has dominated computers after it's brillant manuvering of SCO will finally be overtaken this year by Linux06:24
Jucatonah.. headlines will be GNOME 2.134.20 released06:24
daskreecHHa ha06:25
daskreecHdo they even have sub releases?06:25
daskreecHI've never seen a dotdot release outside of unstable06:25
Jucatothey have. maintenance/bug fixes06:26
daskreecHhmm are those feature locked?06:28
Jucato#gnome please06:28
daskreecHI'll just ask nixternal06:29
Jucato:)06:29
Jucatoor any ubuntu dev06:29
daskreecHhttp://mirror7.escomposlinux.org/comic/ecol-160-e.png06:30
* daskreecH shakes head06:30
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Riddellstdin, nixternal: either of you start on 4.0.4?10:02
stdinI've started on the a's10:05
Riddella very good place to start :)10:05
stdinI think nixternal has done kdelibs too10:06
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* stdin pokes nixternal to remember about bug 22065510:18
ubottuLaunchpad bug 220655 in kdewebdev-kde4 "Many KDE 4 packages reference KDE 3 packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22065510:18
stdinRiddell: they're going in hardy-backports right? so do they need ~hardy1?10:31
Riddellstdin: yes10:43
stdingood, because that's what I did ;)10:43
Riddellstdin: if you have them ready for upload, put them on a webserver somewhere and I'll upload them to the queue10:44
stdinwell I can't test them because I haven't build kdelibs, but they're pretty simple packages and should be ok10:45
Riddellstdin: kdelibs won't have changed notably, you can easily test them with 4.0.310:47
Riddellstdin: if you have a web server you can put them on, I can upload to the queue10:53
stdinI'm just copying them over to my wired box10:54
jpatrickintrepid's open? *goes wild*10:58
stdinRiddell: http://stdin.me.uk/kde4/11:01
stdinit's not going to be fast though11:01
Riddellstdin: what isn't?11:03
stdinmy upload speed11:03
Riddellwell we have until tuesday :)11:04
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* Riddell politely points stdin towards Joining MOTU on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuDevelopers :)11:42
ugaRiddell: nobody is maintaining pptp networkmanager stuff?11:47
ugait's broken in both gutsy and hardy. Never heard of it before. it seems it works fine for the g-ubuntu version11:48
ugaI just found I need it to setup a box for a friend11:48
Riddelluga: can't say I knew nm should support it11:49
ugahttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-pptp/+bug/12369611:49
ubottuLaunchpad bug 123696 in network-manager-pptp "dependency problem on Kubuntu" [Undecided,Confirmed]11:49
ugasome people claim installing loads of gnome dependancies works as workaround11:49
gnomefreakis anyone having issues with email replys to malone bugs?11:50
ugaRiddell: funny thing is, I can't install any dependancies, since my friend needs the vpn connection to get out ot the internet =)11:50
ugaso I either drag them all in a CD or...11:50
ugaRiddell: I may have to grab a (g)ubuntu live CD and install it instead11:52
Riddelluga: if the CD has the dependencies you need you could use an ubuntu alternate CD as an apt source11:56
RiddellI'd be curious to know what the dependencies for it are11:57
ugaRiddell: yes, me too. So far I only installed the 2 packages for pptp, pptp-linux and networkmanager-pptp locally11:58
ugaI saw the bug, it cannot open the configure gui11:58
ugaand now I'm trying to manually configure pptp to see if it pops up at least11:59
ugaRiddell: nothing, no luck12:01
ugaRiddell: and the workdaround didn't work for me. I installed the gnome netm, and still "There is no configuration interface for the VPN service ppp installed. Please check your installation"12:06
ugaRiddell: the connection config works through nm-applet (the gnome one)12:08
ugaRiddell: the connection shows up afterwards in knetworkmanager config, even if I Cannot configure it12:10
ugaI can't connect disconnect either, but that's possibly because I'm already connected through another router...12:11
ugabrb... disconnecting12:11
ugaI'll have to test in place12:16
ugaRiddell: the ubuntu alternate CD install... does it have packages uncompressed and easily available?12:21
ugaso that I could install them manually12:21
Riddellsure, use apt-cdrom to add it to sources.list12:22
ugaRiddell: I have my doubts that will work while booted from the live CD though12:23
ugaI want to test it before I end up installing12:24
ugaI'd rather do so manually, thanks12:24
Riddellnot without a second CD drive no12:24
ugayes, they do have a second drive12:24
ugaif .debs are available though, it's no prob12:25
ugaI'll do it one way or another12:25
ugaRiddell: I guess I could also install ubuntu and later install the kde desktop12:26
Riddellyou could yes12:26
ugaI'm pondering all options here12:26
ugaRiddell: I just found there's another tool... kvpnc13:05
ugaand it looks like works fine13:06
ugaalthough the little thing needs to be run as root =(13:08
ugais there a place that lists all packages available through the live CD?13:09
Riddelluga: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/8.04/kubuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.manifest13:28
ugaRiddell: cheers, I just found the list here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/13:29
ugaa minute ago13:29
ugasomebody suggested using aptoncd too13:29
ugaRiddell: anyway, burning everything I have, and off to go13:41
ugahopefully I won't need any extra packages13:41
* apachelogger looks for a motu14:26
* Hobbsee is no motu! no motu's around here!14:27
apacheloggertoo bad14:27
* apachelogger is wondering whether to abuse nixternal again14:27
apacheloggerah, better not to do that14:27
apacheloggerHobbsee: care for quick revu?14:27
Hobbseenope14:28
apacheloggeruh, now it hit me14:29
apacheloggerjpatrick: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kgrubeditor I'd very much appreciate an R14:30
* apachelogger continues learning for his french test14:30
apacheloggerNightrose: btw, we should get our talk prepared, do you have time next week?14:35
* apachelogger gives everyone a cookie14:35
Hobbseeyay, cookies!14:36
Nightroseapachelogger: yea I have time - just tell me when - I will try to prepare some stuff this weekend but i also have to prepare two other talks so no promisses14:36
Nightroseapachelogger: which template do we use btw?14:37
Nightrosestock kde one?14:37
apacheloggerNightrose: probably, although I'd like something fresh14:42
Nightrosek14:43
seeleRiddelll: is it possible to center ubiquity on the screen for the direct install option?15:48
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nixternalRiddell: kdelibs is complete...gonna start on the rest now16:18
nixternalstdin: what did you finish?16:19
nixternalRiddell: what I was planning on doing, was uploading the packages to my PPA so we can at least get a day or two of testing before tossing them into backports16:19
* JontheEchidna would help test, but he's going to be away for the weekend16:22
ScottKnixternal: I'm going to guess that the first autosync for Intrepid is coming soon.  It'll be a long time before the buildds digest that.  You might want to get it into backports before that since backports get a lower priority.16:27
nixternalhrmm, good point16:28
ScottKnixternal: I suspect we're better off to get it uploaded, built, and in a consistent state even if there are some issues than to wait until after the flood and get it in bits.16:28
ScottKIf there turns out to be one critical fix or something, we can ask to get it manually reprioritized.16:28
nixternals/hardy/hardy-backports/ in the changelog and dput to the same place right?16:30
nixternalI still think only core-devs are allowed to upload to backports16:30
nixternaliirc, you also add ~hardy1 to the version16:31
nixternalI am not going to just upload this w/o following the guidelines, especially seeing that I am considering going for core-dev...don't need a mark on my record :)16:32
* nixternal starts filing backport reports16:32
ScottKnixternal: Yes to hardy-backports and ~hardy1 in the version.16:33
nixternalbeen a while since I did a backport :)16:33
nixternalprobably dapper16:33
ScottKnixternal: I'd suggest upload it and see.  If it gets accepted, continue.  If it gets rejected, give me a ping.16:33
nixternalwill do...if it gets rejected, I will upload to my server so you can grab them16:34
ScottKK16:36
jjessesounds like someone is going to have a busy day16:45
seeledamnit.. i have 2 bad disks16:45
jjesseofficial ubuntu book was given an honorable mention in the linux journal user awards16:48
* nixternal dputs kde4libs to backports - crosses fingers!16:51
Jucato_kaputs kde4libs? :)16:52
nixternalSuccessfully uploaded packages.16:54
nixternalbut that doesn't mean a damn thing16:54
JontheEchidna:D16:54
* nixternal checks for rejected email16:54
JontheEchidnaOh, riiiight, heh.16:54
ugaRiddell: heh, silly me, I had copied cached files, but I forgot his PC is i386 while mine is amd64 =)16:55
stdinnixternal: I've done the a's16:56
* JontheEchidna will be back next week17:00
* Jucato_ is at the ubuntu-ph "release party" :)17:10
Jucato_release party with no cd's, no beer, no pizza, no Linux :)17:11
apacheloggerJucato: sounds funny17:13
apacheloggerJucato: Nightrose is about to do a radio amarok show, in case you want a real party :P17:14
Jucato_:D17:14
Nightroseapachelogger: I am? I thought we will be doing this together ;-)17:15
apacheloggerNightrose: I haz to tune the configurations17:15
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stdinRiddell: I've done everything but kdebase* now, all in the same URL19:35
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nixternaljcastro: you around?21:25
jcastronixternal: yep21:25
nixternalhey, unless by the grace of god, power comes back on, I will not be able to do the doc talk for openweek21:25
nixternalI am using battery backup for about the next 10 minutes21:26
jcastroyikes21:26
jcastroanyone else from the doc team that can fill in?21:26
nixternalwe have been w/o power for about 4 hours now and we have more storms running through21:26
nixternaltalking to laserjock now about it21:26
jcastrothanks for the heads up21:26
jcastroit's storming over here too so I hope I don't lose power either!21:26
nixternaleverything is closed around here too...I went up to the bookstore hoping I could get online21:27
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Seregahi all21:28
SeregaRiddell: ping21:29
nixternaljcastro: looks like LaserJock can do a quick Q&A for documentation21:29
nixternalbattery is beeping, need to go...any last words?21:30
nixternaljcastro: 15:30:22 [ LaserJock] ok, I'll do it21:30
nixternal:)21:30
ScottKnixternal: Did your upload work?21:30
nixternaldon't know...haven't had the power to check :)21:31
ScottKK21:31
jcastronixternal: thanks for the heads up21:31
nixternalwhen the power comes back on I will check, plus upload the other packages I have done on my laptop21:31
nixternallater all!21:31
jcastrolet that be a lesson to all of us, don't live in Chicago.21:31
seeleit's the windy city for a reason :)21:33
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RiddellSerega: pong22:47
SeregaRiddell: Jon, suggest me please the text for dvdcss handler dialog22:47
Riddell"This DVD Video is encrypted.  To be able to watch it you will need to install libdvdcss by running from a console: <script>.  In some countries it is illegal to install the decryption software without permission from the copyright holder."22:51
NthDegreebah who cares about the legality of watching a DVD you paid to watch22:58
nixternalyay, we got power!23:30
nixternalRiddell: I am working on kdebase.... so far my uploads to -backports went up, just awaiting archive approval23:30
Riddellgroovy23:31
RiddellI'll not approve until closer to release time23:32
nixternalrock on23:32
Riddellnixternal: you coordinating modules with stdin?23:32
nixternalI haven't been online all day, so no23:32
nixternalstdin: what are you working on?23:32
nixternalman, the .install files need some reworking23:33
Riddellnixternal: http://stdin.me.uk/kde4/23:33
nixternalgroovy23:33
nixternalI will grab those once the base is done, build them locally and test, then upload to -backports23:34
Riddellsuper23:34
* nixternal wonders if stdin touched the .install files23:34
nixternalmaybe the modules are fine23:34
nixternalas long as there aren't any so files, all of them have been updated from 4.0.0 to 4.0.423:35
nixternalman I love debuild -nc23:35
nixternaland dh_install --list-missing --sourcedir=debian/tmp23:36
crimsunbah, --fail-missing.23:36
RiddellI can type that one blindfold with my hands tied behind my back23:37
nixternalhehe, I think I am getting close to that23:37
nixternalcrimsun: --fail-missing is good as well :)23:38

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