[00:13] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: will do, thanks for that heads up
[00:14] <nixternal> sitting in a nice air conditioned room
[00:15] <JontheEchidna> Yesterday we had to turn the heat on. :/
[00:17] <JontheEchidna> But don't worry, we'll have unbearable heat come summer
[01:04] <vorian> evening
[03:59] <jjesse> evening :)
[04:03] <lownoize> somebody knows who feels responsible for the kubuntu mirrors list?
[04:24] <ScottK> I think #canonical-sysadmin handles that, but I'm not certain.
[04:26] <Jucato> #ubuntu-mirrors ?
[04:28] <jjesse> dang i'm hungry
[04:30] <jjesse> ordering room service  :(
[04:33] <Jucato> :(
[04:45] <nixternal> I am an idiot
[04:45] <nixternal> instead of downloading the 4.0.4 tarballs, I downloaded the 4.0.3 tarballs
[04:45] <ScottK> Recognizing the problem is the first step to solving it.
[04:45] <Jucato> it was like me downloading 7.10 DVD instead of 8.04... :(
[04:46] <nixternal> heh
[04:46] <nixternal> nothing like grabbing all of the KDE 4.0.4 tarballs at 200KiB/s
[04:46] <jjesse> that probablly took a while
[04:47] <Jucato> DVD.. 56Kbps... :)
[04:47] <Jucato> took 24+ hours
[04:47] <Jucato> I'm still the greater tool :P
[04:48] <jjesse> i've always known that ;)
[04:48]  * ScottK is upgrading the kids' computer to Hardy right now.  
[04:48] <Jucato> just reasserting my throne :)
[04:48] <ScottK> I'm sufficiently lazy that I'm doing it via ssh instead of walking into the other room.
[04:48] <jjesse> that's awesome
[04:49] <Jucato> lol :)
[04:53] <robotgeek> Jucato: i tried to upgrade using the ubuntu 8.04 cd. it did not work :(
[04:53] <jjesse> nixternal: is it tru i heard you are working becoming a core dev?
[05:01] <nixternal> jjesse: more than likely
[05:01] <nixternal> will possibly work on my application in the next week or so
[05:01] <jjesse> yay
[05:02] <nixternal> gotta figure out who all uploaded my crack for the past 2 years into main
[05:02] <nixternal> I can think of 3...is crimsun a core-dev? I can't remember since he doesn't say much anymore :p
[05:02] <nixternal> ooh, imbrandon uploaded my crack too
[05:02] <ScottK> He is
[05:02] <jjesse> yay
[05:02] <nixternal> ScottK: did you upload any of my crack?
[05:02] <ScottK> Yes.
[05:02] <nixternal> thought so
[05:03] <nixternal> ooh, and pitti
[05:03] <nixternal> pitti uploaded all of my security crack
[05:03] <jjesse> and don't forget Riddell
[05:03] <jjesse> :P
[05:03] <nixternal> ya, he makes 6
[05:03] <jjesse> how many do you "need"?
[05:03] <nixternal> is tonio core-dev?
[05:03] <ScottK> He is.
[05:03] <nixternal> as many as possible
[05:03] <nixternal> w00t, that makes 7
[05:03] <jjesse> how many coore-deve are there?
[05:04] <nixternal> damn, Kubuntu has quite a few core-devs
[05:04] <nixternal> jjesse: quite a few :)
[05:04] <ScottK> I think most of the rest of us have a lot less impact than Riddell.
[05:05] <nixternal> nah, you all are just as important in my book
[05:05] <nixternal> I keep hearing about this JR guy, who is he?
[05:05] <ScottK> For Hardy kde-guidance sucks substantially less than it would have otherwise and I did some decent stuff in the python-qt/kde packages, but that's about it.
[05:06] <nixternal> it would be nice to have with KDE 4 going into main for 8.10
[05:06] <jjesse> 54 active members according to launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev
[05:06] <nixternal> then I can actually maintain MY kvkbd package too instead of linking debdiff's left and right
[05:07] <nixternal> would be nice to get that into Debian, but they said NOPE, don't want it
[05:07] <ScottK> Why don't they want it?
[05:09] <nixternal> no need for it because tehre is already a virtual keyboard
[05:09] <nixternal> to bad their idea of a virtual keyboard is a) crap, and b) crap
[05:09] <daskreecH> nixternal: Tha'ts you? I was looking for a -kde4 version
[05:10] <nixternal> isn't one yet
[05:11] <ScottK> New version of lintian in Debian.  I wonder what pain it holds for us.
[05:12] <jjesse> lots?
[05:13] <nixternal> probably an understatement
[05:13] <jjesse> why are tv commericails so much louder then the tv?
[05:13] <nixternal> that is marketing for you
[05:14] <ScottK> nixternal: That was the kde team?  You could always have it sponsored outside the team.
[05:15] <nixternal> even if it were in Debian, it would never get a proper sync, but I will talk to annma tomorrow and get it uploaded tomorrow
[05:16] <nixternal> I went through the mentor process prior, which I now realize kind of sucks
[05:16] <ScottK> It's kind of hit or miss in my experience.
[05:16] <jjesse> the devbian mentor process?
[05:16] <ScottK> Working through an established team is generally better when you can find one.
[05:31] <daskreecH> nixternal: ping
[05:31] <daskreecH> got the debian dir
[05:32] <daskreecH> dropped it in the 4.0.71 tarball
[05:47] <ScottK> nixternal: I just had one of those senior moments too.
[05:48]  * ScottK just was reminded (after much investigating to figure out why) that the new changes won't be in the binary if you don't rebuild the package after you change the source ....
[05:48] <nixternal> lol
[05:49] <stdin> that's nothing, I just wanted to cd to a dir, and typed "kde dir/" ...
[05:49] <nixternal> kdelibs-4.0.4 continues chugging away
[05:49] <daskreecH> Ha ha :)
[05:50] <daskreecH> Yay stdin is here as well :)
[05:50] <daskreecH> I'm cleaning house but I look over here every 4-5 minutes
[05:51] <daskreecH> I have the debian dir from 4.0.3 in 4.0.71
[05:51]  * stdin woke up ~40 mins ago, so don't expect much
[05:51] <daskreecH> nixternal: Would it make more sense to use the dir from 4.0.4 ?
[05:52] <stdin> there won't be much difference between the 4.0.3 dir and the 4.0.4 dir
[05:52] <daskreecH> ok just checking
[05:53] <daskreecH> so .. throw this at ppa ?
[05:53] <stdin> after changing the version/build-deps
[05:55] <daskreecH> Why does Mount try to auto complete files?
[05:56] <nixternal> actually, so far there is 1 change between 4.0.3 and 4.0.4 for kdelibs
[05:58] <daskreecH> keep all the patches I assume?
[05:58] <nixternal> oh more than likely not
[05:58] <nixternal> you will get heap failures left and right
[05:59] <nixternal> hehe, if this is your first time packaging, KDE 4.1 alpha may not be a good package to learn from
[05:59] <nixternal> if people want to test kde4 alpha, I am almost inclined to tell them check out openSUSE or Debian :p
[05:59] <nixternal> otherwise people will try it and flood LP with bug reports on Plasma for the next month
[05:59] <stdin> testing what patches are still needed, which were applied upstream and which just need editing is the best part! (not)
[06:00] <ScottK> nixternal: For Hardy I think staying on 4.0 is best, but once Intrepid opens, I think we ought to get 4.1 (based on Debian) in ASAP.
[06:01] <nixternal> our 4.0.x is based on Debian..we merge changes, just not our .install files and have changes to kde.mk
[06:01] <nixternal> but once we move kde4 to main, then totally start working from their builds
[06:02] <nixternal> I think we should either a) backport 4.1 to hardy, or b) put 4.1 for hardy in the PPAs
[06:02] <daskreecH> Debian doesn't have a 4.0.71
[06:02] <ScottK> I'd say do that at beta.
[06:02]  * nixternal notes that debuild -nc on this lappy is not fun
[06:03] <daskreecH> they have 4.0.70+svn and 4.0.72
[06:03] <nixternal> ScottK: if KDE 4 is in main, then yes, because Debian doesn't install KDE 3 and KDE 4 side-by-side I don't believe
[06:03] <nixternal> you either have KDE 3 or you have KDE 4
[06:03] <daskreecH> I think we should probably have a 4.1 snapshot with warnings for hardy and a tracking PPa for intrepid
[06:03] <ScottK> RIght.  They don't.
[06:04] <ScottK> The trick is I think our Hardy packages should always work side by side.  Not so for Intrepid.
[06:04] <nixternal> correct, and correct :)
[06:04] <nixternal> well, they will still work side by side in Intrepid, as moving KDE to universe and then installing it to /opt/kde3 I think was the track for it
[06:05] <nixternal> moving KDE 3 to universe that is
[06:05] <daskreecH> Which KDE?
[06:05] <daskreecH> ok
[06:05] <ScottK> Last time Riddell mentioned it, it seemed he wanted it as dead as possible as soon as possible.
[06:06] <daskreecH> KDE3?
[06:06] <ScottK> 1931kB/S from us.archive.ubuntu.com is a lot better than last week.
[06:06] <ScottK> daskreecH: Yes.
[06:06] <daskreecH> I dunno a lot of people might not move from it till 4.2
[06:06] <nixternal> hrmm, maybe debian does allow side-by-side, they just install it to different locations that us
[06:06] <daskreecH> some not till 4.3
[06:07] <ScottK> Well that's what I tried to suggest and I got a lot of pushback.
[06:07] <daskreecH> that's 15 months away
[06:07] <nixternal> ya, they do install side-by-side
[06:07] <ScottK> If we were going to keep kde3 around for another year, we could have done LTS for Hardy.
[06:07] <nixternal> where kde3 has */kde/ directories, for kde4 they did */kde4/ and such
[06:08] <nixternal> and all binaries have a 4 appended to them
[06:08] <nixternal> ScottK: I will leave the LTS comments to a minimum around here :p
[06:09] <ScottK> Just saying.
[06:09] <nixternal> hehe, totally understand
[06:09] <ScottK> I think we need to focus on KDE4 and move on.
[06:09] <nixternal> I feel the same, but we do have large rollouts that are currently committed to KDE 3
[06:10] <ScottK> And so they can stay on hardy for 18 months while it settles out.
[06:10] <nixternal> I think the school systems going with KDE 4 will be fine, but I don't know about the French Parliament
[06:10] <nixternal> that is true
[06:10] <nixternal> break time...while kdelibs builds out..gonna go grab some ice cream :)
[06:11] <ScottK> I'll probably stay on Hardy KDE3 on my desktop for quite some time.
[06:14]  * daskreecH wants KDE 4.1
[06:14]  * daskreecH wants to build it as well
[06:17]  * ScottK wants this Hardy upgrade to finish so he can go to bed.
[06:20] <daskreecH> nixternal: kwin44 ?
[06:20] <Jucato> yeah. wor KDE 44.05.1
[06:20] <Jucato> s/wor/for/
[06:21]  * daskreecH blinks
[06:22] <daskreecH> Jucato: Huh?
[06:22] <Jucato> you haven't heard of KDE 44? it's the Desktop of the 32nd century
[06:23] <daskreecH> Oh right
[06:23] <daskreecH> it will usher in the year of the Linux Desktop
[06:23] <daskreecH> Of course all the headlineswill read Gnome puts it's foot up Apple's ****
[06:24] <daskreecH> Aapple which has dominated computers after it's brillant manuvering of SCO will finally be overtaken this year by Linux
[06:24] <Jucato> nah.. headlines will be GNOME 2.134.20 released
[06:25] <daskreecH> Ha ha
[06:25] <daskreecH> do they even have sub releases?
[06:25] <daskreecH> I've never seen a dotdot release outside of unstable
[06:26] <Jucato> they have. maintenance/bug fixes
[06:28] <daskreecH> hmm are those feature locked?
[06:28] <Jucato> #gnome please
[06:29] <daskreecH> I'll just ask nixternal
[06:29] <Jucato> :)
[06:29] <Jucato> or any ubuntu dev
[06:30] <daskreecH> http://mirror7.escomposlinux.org/comic/ecol-160-e.png
[06:30]  * daskreecH shakes head
[10:02] <Riddell> stdin, nixternal: either of you start on 4.0.4?
[10:05] <stdin> I've started on the a's
[10:05] <Riddell> a very good place to start :)
[10:06] <stdin> I think nixternal has done kdelibs too
[10:18]  * stdin pokes nixternal to remember about bug 220655
[10:31] <stdin> Riddell: they're going in hardy-backports right? so do they need ~hardy1?
[10:43] <Riddell> stdin: yes
[10:43] <stdin> good, because that's what I did ;)
[10:44] <Riddell> stdin: if you have them ready for upload, put them on a webserver somewhere and I'll upload them to the queue
[10:45] <stdin> well I can't test them because I haven't build kdelibs, but they're pretty simple packages and should be ok
[10:47] <Riddell> stdin: kdelibs won't have changed notably, you can easily test them with 4.0.3
[10:53] <Riddell> stdin: if you have a web server you can put them on, I can upload to the queue
[10:54] <stdin> I'm just copying them over to my wired box
[10:58] <jpatrick> intrepid's open? *goes wild*
[11:01] <stdin> Riddell: http://stdin.me.uk/kde4/
[11:01] <stdin> it's not going to be fast though
[11:03] <Riddell> stdin: what isn't?
[11:03] <stdin> my upload speed
[11:04] <Riddell> well we have until tuesday :)
[11:42]  * Riddell politely points stdin towards Joining MOTU on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuDevelopers :)
[11:47] <uga> Riddell: nobody is maintaining pptp networkmanager stuff?
[11:48] <uga> it's broken in both gutsy and hardy. Never heard of it before. it seems it works fine for the g-ubuntu version
[11:48] <uga> I just found I need it to setup a box for a friend
[11:49] <Riddell> uga: can't say I knew nm should support it
[11:49] <uga> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-pptp/+bug/123696
[11:49] <uga> some people claim installing loads of gnome dependancies works as workaround
[11:50] <gnomefreak> is anyone having issues with email replys to malone bugs?
[11:50] <uga> Riddell: funny thing is, I can't install any dependancies, since my friend needs the vpn connection to get out ot the internet =)
[11:50] <uga> so I either drag them all in a CD or...
[11:52] <uga> Riddell: I may have to grab a (g)ubuntu live CD and install it instead
[11:56] <Riddell> uga: if the CD has the dependencies you need you could use an ubuntu alternate CD as an apt source
[11:57] <Riddell> I'd be curious to know what the dependencies for it are
[11:58] <uga> Riddell: yes, me too. So far I only installed the 2 packages for pptp, pptp-linux and networkmanager-pptp locally
[11:58] <uga> I saw the bug, it cannot open the configure gui
[11:59] <uga> and now I'm trying to manually configure pptp to see if it pops up at least
[12:01] <uga> Riddell: nothing, no luck
[12:06] <uga> Riddell: and the workdaround didn't work for me. I installed the gnome netm, and still "There is no configuration interface for the VPN service ppp installed. Please check your installation"
[12:08] <uga> Riddell: the connection config works through nm-applet (the gnome one)
[12:10] <uga> Riddell: the connection shows up afterwards in knetworkmanager config, even if I Cannot configure it
[12:11] <uga> I can't connect disconnect either, but that's possibly because I'm already connected through another router...
[12:11] <uga> brb... disconnecting
[12:16] <uga> I'll have to test in place
[12:21] <uga> Riddell: the ubuntu alternate CD install... does it have packages uncompressed and easily available?
[12:21] <uga> so that I could install them manually
[12:22] <Riddell> sure, use apt-cdrom to add it to sources.list
[12:23] <uga> Riddell: I have my doubts that will work while booted from the live CD though
[12:24] <uga> I want to test it before I end up installing
[12:24] <uga> I'd rather do so manually, thanks
[12:24] <Riddell> not without a second CD drive no
[12:24] <uga> yes, they do have a second drive
[12:25] <uga> if .debs are available though, it's no prob
[12:25] <uga> I'll do it one way or another
[12:26] <uga> Riddell: I guess I could also install ubuntu and later install the kde desktop
[12:26] <Riddell> you could yes
[12:26] <uga> I'm pondering all options here
[13:05] <uga> Riddell: I just found there's another tool... kvpnc
[13:06] <uga> and it looks like works fine
[13:08] <uga> although the little thing needs to be run as root =(
[13:09] <uga> is there a place that lists all packages available through the live CD?
[13:28] <Riddell> uga: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/8.04/kubuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.manifest
[13:29] <uga> Riddell: cheers, I just found the list here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[13:29] <uga> a minute ago
[13:29] <uga> somebody suggested using aptoncd too
[13:41] <uga> Riddell: anyway, burning everything I have, and off to go
[13:41] <uga> hopefully I won't need any extra packages
[14:26]  * apachelogger looks for a motu
[14:27]  * Hobbsee is no motu!  no motu's around here!
[14:27] <apachelogger> too bad
[14:27]  * apachelogger is wondering whether to abuse nixternal again
[14:27] <apachelogger> ah, better not to do that
[14:27] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: care for quick revu?
[14:28] <Hobbsee> nope
[14:29] <apachelogger> uh, now it hit me
[14:30] <apachelogger> jpatrick: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kgrubeditor I'd very much appreciate an R
[14:30]  * apachelogger continues learning for his french test
[14:35] <apachelogger> Nightrose: btw, we should get our talk prepared, do you have time next week?
[14:35]  * apachelogger gives everyone a cookie
[14:36] <Hobbsee> yay, cookies!
[14:36] <Nightrose> apachelogger: yea I have time - just tell me when - I will try to prepare some stuff this weekend but i also have to prepare two other talks so no promisses
[14:37] <Nightrose> apachelogger: which template do we use btw?
[14:37] <Nightrose> stock kde one?
[14:42] <apachelogger> Nightrose: probably, although I'd like something fresh
[14:43] <Nightrose> k
[15:48] <seele> Riddelll: is it possible to center ubiquity on the screen for the direct install option?
[16:18] <nixternal> Riddell: kdelibs is complete...gonna start on the rest now
[16:19] <nixternal> stdin: what did you finish?
[16:19] <nixternal> Riddell: what I was planning on doing, was uploading the packages to my PPA so we can at least get a day or two of testing before tossing them into backports
[16:22]  * JontheEchidna would help test, but he's going to be away for the weekend
[16:27] <ScottK> nixternal: I'm going to guess that the first autosync for Intrepid is coming soon.  It'll be a long time before the buildds digest that.  You might want to get it into backports before that since backports get a lower priority.
[16:28] <nixternal> hrmm, good point
[16:28] <ScottK> nixternal: I suspect we're better off to get it uploaded, built, and in a consistent state even if there are some issues than to wait until after the flood and get it in bits.
[16:28] <ScottK> If there turns out to be one critical fix or something, we can ask to get it manually reprioritized.
[16:30] <nixternal> s/hardy/hardy-backports/ in the changelog and dput to the same place right?
[16:30] <nixternal> I still think only core-devs are allowed to upload to backports
[16:31] <nixternal> iirc, you also add ~hardy1 to the version
[16:32] <nixternal> I am not going to just upload this w/o following the guidelines, especially seeing that I am considering going for core-dev...don't need a mark on my record :)
[16:32]  * nixternal starts filing backport reports
[16:33] <ScottK> nixternal: Yes to hardy-backports and ~hardy1 in the version.
[16:33] <nixternal> been a while since I did a backport :)
[16:33] <nixternal> probably dapper
[16:33] <ScottK> nixternal: I'd suggest upload it and see.  If it gets accepted, continue.  If it gets rejected, give me a ping.
[16:34] <nixternal> will do...if it gets rejected, I will upload to my server so you can grab them
[16:36] <ScottK> K
[16:45] <jjesse> sounds like someone is going to have a busy day
[16:45] <seele> damnit.. i have 2 bad disks
[16:48] <jjesse> official ubuntu book was given an honorable mention in the linux journal user awards
[16:51]  * nixternal dputs kde4libs to backports - crosses fingers!
[16:52] <Jucato_> kaputs kde4libs? :)
[16:54] <nixternal> Successfully uploaded packages.
[16:54] <nixternal> but that doesn't mean a damn thing
[16:54] <JontheEchidna> :D
[16:54]  * nixternal checks for rejected email
[16:54] <JontheEchidna> Oh, riiiight, heh.
[16:55] <uga> Riddell: heh, silly me, I had copied cached files, but I forgot his PC is i386 while mine is amd64 =)
[16:56] <stdin> nixternal: I've done the a's
[17:00]  * JontheEchidna will be back next week
[17:10]  * Jucato_ is at the ubuntu-ph "release party" :)
[17:11] <Jucato_> release party with no cd's, no beer, no pizza, no Linux :)
[17:13] <apachelogger> Jucato: sounds funny
[17:14] <apachelogger> Jucato: Nightrose is about to do a radio amarok show, in case you want a real party :P
[17:14] <Jucato_> :D
[17:15] <Nightrose> apachelogger: I am? I thought we will be doing this together ;-)
[17:15] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I haz to tune the configurations
[19:35] <stdin> Riddell: I've done everything but kdebase* now, all in the same URL
[21:25] <nixternal> jcastro: you around?
[21:25] <jcastro> nixternal: yep
[21:25] <nixternal> hey, unless by the grace of god, power comes back on, I will not be able to do the doc talk for openweek
[21:26] <nixternal> I am using battery backup for about the next 10 minutes
[21:26] <jcastro> yikes
[21:26] <jcastro> anyone else from the doc team that can fill in?
[21:26] <nixternal> we have been w/o power for about 4 hours now and we have more storms running through
[21:26] <nixternal> talking to laserjock now about it
[21:26] <jcastro> thanks for the heads up
[21:26] <jcastro> it's storming over here too so I hope I don't lose power either!
[21:27] <nixternal> everything is closed around here too...I went up to the bookstore hoping I could get online
[21:28] <Serega> hi all
[21:29] <Serega> Riddell: ping
[21:29] <nixternal> jcastro: looks like LaserJock can do a quick Q&A for documentation
[21:30] <nixternal> battery is beeping, need to go...any last words?
[21:30] <nixternal> jcastro: 15:30:22 [ LaserJock] ok, I'll do it
[21:30] <nixternal> :)
[21:30] <ScottK> nixternal: Did your upload work?
[21:31] <nixternal> don't know...haven't had the power to check :)
[21:31] <ScottK> K
[21:31] <jcastro> nixternal: thanks for the heads up
[21:31] <nixternal> when the power comes back on I will check, plus upload the other packages I have done on my laptop
[21:31] <nixternal> later all!
[21:31] <jcastro> let that be a lesson to all of us, don't live in Chicago.
[21:33] <seele> it's the windy city for a reason :)
[22:47] <Riddell> Serega: pong
[22:47] <Serega> Riddell: Jon, suggest me please the text for dvdcss handler dialog
[22:51] <Riddell> "This DVD Video is encrypted.  To be able to watch it you will need to install libdvdcss by running from a console: <script>.  In some countries it is illegal to install the decryption software without permission from the copyright holder."
[22:58] <NthDegree> bah who cares about the legality of watching a DVD you paid to watch
[23:30] <nixternal> yay, we got power!
[23:30] <nixternal> Riddell: I am working on kdebase.... so far my uploads to -backports went up, just awaiting archive approval
[23:31] <Riddell> groovy
[23:32] <Riddell> I'll not approve until closer to release time
[23:32] <nixternal> rock on
[23:32] <Riddell> nixternal: you coordinating modules with stdin?
[23:32] <nixternal> I haven't been online all day, so no
[23:32] <nixternal> stdin: what are you working on?
[23:33] <nixternal> man, the .install files need some reworking
[23:33] <Riddell> nixternal: http://stdin.me.uk/kde4/
[23:33] <nixternal> groovy
[23:34] <nixternal> I will grab those once the base is done, build them locally and test, then upload to -backports
[23:34] <Riddell> super
[23:34]  * nixternal wonders if stdin touched the .install files
[23:34] <nixternal> maybe the modules are fine
[23:35] <nixternal> as long as there aren't any so files, all of them have been updated from 4.0.0 to 4.0.4
[23:35] <nixternal> man I love debuild -nc
[23:36] <nixternal> and dh_install --list-missing --sourcedir=debian/tmp
[23:36] <crimsun> bah, --fail-missing.
[23:37] <Riddell> I can type that one blindfold with my hands tied behind my back
[23:37] <nixternal> hehe, I think I am getting close to that
[23:38] <nixternal> crimsun: --fail-missing is good as well :)