| * DanaG goes off and hugs Nodoka.... | 00:14 | |
| DanaG | and notes that that can be interpreted multiple ways. | 00:14 |
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| DanaG | Oh yeah, and I realized that Fedora's settings for the windeco are actually not the default for that windeco engine, it seems. | 00:21 |
| DanaG | I have a different variant from the 'nanolx' repo. | 00:21 |
| === elkbuntu is now known as elky | ||
| === elkbuntu is now known as elky | ||
| === elky is now known as elkbuntu | ||
| === DanaG is now known as _segfault_ | ||
| _segfault_ | before I annoy with too many changes.... | 06:04 |
| * DanaG goes to bed. | 08:02 | |
| lassegul | hi people. congrats on a fine looking heron | 09:09 |
| troy_s | _MMA_: Look at the text files in the readme packages to get settings that don't exist in the docs. | 11:19 |
| troy_s | _MMA_: Things like setting the radius of the corners of the windows etc. | 11:19 |
| troy_s | Greetings coz_ | 11:19 |
| coz_ | troy_s, hey guy :) | 11:19 |
| troy_s | coz_: How have you been? | 11:19 |
| coz_ | troy_s, not bad . busy.. | 11:20 |
| coz_ | how about yourself? | 11:20 |
| troy_s | coz_: Fine thanks. Little busy. | 11:20 |
| coz_ | troy_s, I understand.... so is the artwork that didnt make it into hardy going into intrepid? | 11:20 |
| troy_s | coz_: What artwork? | 11:21 |
| coz_ | oh! :) | 11:21 |
| coz_ | I though maybe some of the things that were proposed for hardy and didnt make it in might be worked on for intrepid | 11:21 |
| troy_s | coz_: Doubtful... but maybe. | 11:21 |
| coz_ | troy_s, ok | 11:22 |
| troy_s | coz_: I have no idea about the plans to change the theme etc. Personally, in terms of GTK, the look of the widgets are heavy handed akin to Tango heavy handed. | 11:22 |
| troy_s | coz_: Aside from that, it is more about the standard sort of 'wrap-the-head-around-what-the-hell-any-design-is-trying-to-do' more than anything else. | 11:23 |
| coz_ | troy_s, ok well I am going to try to stay tuned in on this one... the best I can... see what I can offer | 11:23 |
| coz_ | troy_s, ooo ok | 11:23 |
| troy_s | coz_: Probably wise to try and see what can be done in a smaller team setting. | 11:23 |
| coz_ | troy_s, smaller team setting? could you elaborate on that | 11:24 |
| troy_s | coz_: Pick some people that you think you can work with and see if you can generate some magic. | 11:24 |
| coz_ | troy_s, i see so this is the new appraoch? | 11:25 |
| troy_s | coz_: No but it is the only method to get anything done. | 11:25 |
| troy_s | coz_: In a reasonably organized fashion. | 11:25 |
| coz_ | troy_s, that bad yikes | 11:25 |
| troy_s | coz_: And it is the only way that anything has gotten into Ubuntu proper really. | 11:25 |
| coz_ | troy_s, ok understood i will have to look in to the members work then see who is doing what | 11:26 |
| troy_s | coz_: Yep. It's pretty simple -- find someone you think you are on the same level / mindset with, and see if you can generate anything. | 11:27 |
| coz_ | troy_s, ok I will do my best, as i said I would like to stay in touch with this one since most of what is in hardy is not real impressive but I guess that is no surprise I was hoping for a little more " unph" :) | 11:28 |
| troy_s | coz_: Well... hardy is more or less the same as it ever was with a different wallpaper. Unless I am missing some hundreds of hours of work somewhere. | 11:29 |
| coz_ | troy_s, :) i guess thats what I meant | 11:30 |
| troy_s | coz_: I have been known to be completely ignorant of things however. That is all that I can _see_. | 11:30 |
| thorwil | i think it was a good decision to have the LTS release end the cycle with basically the same artwork | 11:30 |
| coz_ | troy_s, I have never seen you as being ingnorant abou things | 11:30 |
| troy_s | coz_: LOL. | 11:31 |
| troy_s | coz_: Have you been up to any painting or otherwise? | 11:31 |
| coz_ | troy_s, I have been working in inkscape quite a bit however nothing that would warrant a view of so far just experiments etc other than that I have been doing the support in compiz fusion which has slowed down quite a bit and seeing nothing really unique making it into hardy I was dissapointed to the point that I felt I need to at least attemp someting | 11:32 |
| troy_s | coz_: Unique is a strange bird. | 11:33 |
| coz_ | troy_s, yes but certainly a thing to work towards | 11:33 |
| coz_ | troy_s, I can only give it a try see what ideas i come up with and decide if they are worth submitting | 11:34 |
| troy_s | coz_: Indeed. | 11:34 |
| troy_s | coz_: In the end, all one can do is try. Even then, it could very well suck. lol. | 11:34 |
| coz_ | troy_s, for sure | 11:34 |
| coz_ | troy_s, has anyone come with ideas as to the Look and feel of intrepid | 11:35 |
| troy_s | coz_: Gosh no. | 11:35 |
| troy_s | coz_: I mean -- gosh yes. | 11:35 |
| coz_ | troy_s, lol | 11:35 |
| troy_s | coz_: But ultimately they are rooted in the garbage 'I think' 'I think' 'I think' 'I think' syndrome. | 11:35 |
| coz_ | troy_s, oh geez | 11:36 |
| troy_s | coz_: I end up in this strange place where I firmly believe I am an alien. I just get lost in the cyclic nature of failing to comprehend the issues at hand. | 11:36 |
| coz_ | troy_s, :) | 11:36 |
| coz_ | troy_s, I doubt you get that confused | 11:38 |
| troy_s | coz_: Oh no, I do. | 11:38 |
| troy_s | coz_: What confuses me is that it appears people can't put their finger on the nature of option versus goal. | 11:38 |
| troy_s | coz_: Erk... opinion. | 11:38 |
| coz_ | troy_s, oh! | 11:39 |
| troy_s | coz_: Opinions are terrific when one chooses to listen to them, but in the end, they are opinions. | 11:40 |
| coz_ | troy_s, sounds like you have been hitting your head against the wall lately | 11:40 |
| troy_s | coz_: The goal of the design is a strange sort of calculated guess however, which should probably be a pretty far leap away from opinion. | 11:40 |
| troy_s | coz_: Not really. Been too busy to get bothered by it. | 11:41 |
| troy_s | coz_: Although there has been a lot of mail lately. | 11:41 |
| coz_ | troy_s, well as long as you dont leave | 11:41 |
| coz_ | troy_s, you mean the mailing list? | 11:41 |
| troy_s | coz_: Lol. Been around here too long to be leaving really. I just patiently keep waiting. | 11:41 |
| troy_s | coz_: Yeah... the list has been busy. | 11:42 |
| thorwil | with noise | 11:42 |
| coz_ | troy_s, well yeah but that one about top and bottom post got me pretty peeved | 11:42 |
| coz_ | understandable but ... | 11:42 |
| thorwil | i'm only staying subscribed for the rare request or announcement | 11:42 |
| troy_s | coz_: Lol. I honestly could care less. The thing that drives me bonkers is the quote everything and put one line of comment at the top. | 11:42 |
| troy_s | coz_: I find it easier to read and understand if people simply snip out the damn thing that is relevant and reply to the line. | 11:43 |
| troy_s | coz_: But apparently that is not going to happen either. | 11:43 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Greets. | 11:43 |
| coz_ | troy_s, hopefully things will get better | 11:43 |
| thorwil | that's exactly what i'm asking for | 11:44 |
| * thorwil waves | 11:44 | |
| coz_ | troy_s, what are the best times y our time that I can find you here? | 11:45 |
| thorwil | i have no trust in the abilities of people who can't even edit text, when it comes to creating artwork. see, it's all communication and love for details | 11:45 |
| troy_s | coz_: Well I am going to be done work for a while shortly. I'll be on more. | 11:45 |
| coz_ | troy_s, ok just wondering I have been here and of course I seem to come in when no one is talking :) | 11:45 |
| troy_s | coz_: That happens. | 11:46 |
| coz_ | always for me at least | 11:46 |
| troy_s | coz_: There isn't _too_ much talk here. | 11:46 |
| coz_ | I know | 11:46 |
| thorwil | especially if troy_s isn't active ;) | 11:46 |
| troy_s | coz_: As there isn't much to talk about. | 11:46 |
| coz_ | troy_s ooo thats discouraging | 11:46 |
| troy_s | coz_: It is apathy. Just a bit of the reality of the circumstance. | 11:46 |
| coz_ | troy_s, is part of this apathy still related to shuttleworth in any way? | 11:47 |
| troy_s | coz_: Not at all. Ubuntu is just a project that doesn't really care that much about certain things. | 11:47 |
| coz_ | troy_s, like art maybe :) | 11:47 |
| troy_s | coz_: It comes down to an either you do or you don't. | 11:48 |
| troy_s | coz_: Which largely stems from a lack of understanding / comprehension. It may very well change... but I am not exactly holding my breath. | 11:48 |
| coz_ | troy_s, dont turn blue ... its quite unattractive | 11:48 |
| troy_s | coz_: Lol. Exactly. | 11:49 |
| thorwil | what, should he turn brown or orange? | 11:49 |
| coz_ | :) | 11:49 |
| troy_s | thorwil: LOL now that was funny. | 11:50 |
| thorwil | Ubuntu: We don't hold our breath TM | 11:50 |
| coz_ | :) | 11:51 |
| troy_s | LOL | 11:51 |
| troy_s | Pursuing Excellence Just Like an Amoeba Does It. | 11:51 |
| thorwil | lol | 11:52 |
| troy_s | This isn't really entirely Ubuntu however, to be fair. | 11:52 |
| coz_ | troy_s, who do you attribute the blame to ? | 11:53 |
| troy_s | coz_: No blame. | 11:53 |
| coz_ | ok | 11:53 |
| troy_s | coz_: It's climate. | 11:53 |
| coz_ | ah | 11:53 |
| troy_s | coz_: One can only look to the nature of the culture and see that as with everything, it is an evolutionary process. | 11:53 |
| troy_s | coz_: Just imagine trying to get a job at say Apple without a degree in design or art, no portfolio, etc. | 11:53 |
| troy_s | (and I hate using apple as an example, but alas...) | 11:54 |
| troy_s | coz_: Yet that is the archetype driving the ship. | 11:54 |
| coz_ | troy_s, and you are applying that to the people involved in Ubuntu generally? | 11:54 |
| troy_s | coz_: No. | 11:54 |
| thorwil | coz_: plenty of developers are professionals or heading there | 11:54 |
| coz_ | ok it is 7am here I am not real awake apparenlty | 11:54 |
| troy_s | coz_: It is across the entire culture. It is again, about climate. Heck it wasnt' that long ago that there weren't tools to even create work on FOSS. | 11:55 |
| troy_s | thorwil: There are many professionals in terms of code. | 11:55 |
| thorwil | coz_: but apparently, in artwork, there are very few skilled individuals. the rest are kids | 11:55 |
| troy_s | thorwil: And that end is extremely top shelf. | 11:55 |
| coz_ | thorwil, I understand that and troy_s has brought that up in the past in different wording | 11:55 |
| coz_ | well everyone thinks they are an artist at some point | 11:56 |
| troy_s | Ultimately it comes down to output. | 11:56 |
| troy_s | Because without output, there isn't a barometer. | 11:56 |
| coz_ | ooo yes theory is nice but output is the key | 11:56 |
| troy_s | And I suppose that everyone will carry on as is until they get that sort of sinking feeling that I had at a few points in my career... | 11:56 |
| troy_s | where one realizes that they are rather insignificant. | 11:56 |
| coz_ | ooo been there | 11:57 |
| troy_s | coz_: It happens when you see good work. | 11:57 |
| thorwil | if you do digital painting or 3d, don't go to cgtalk ;) | 11:57 |
| troy_s | thorwil: ? | 11:58 |
| coz_ | why is that? | 11:58 |
| coz_ | thorwil, #cgtalk ? | 11:58 |
| thorwil | regarding good work and feeling insignificant: | 11:58 |
| thorwil | http://forums.cgsociety.org/forumdisplay.php?s=2e82e1261800a0a3f53b1e66792bec7b&f=121 | 11:59 |
| thorwil | http://forums.cgsociety.org/forumdisplay.php?s=2e82e1261800a0a3f53b1e66792bec7b&f=137 | 11:59 |
| troy_s | Yeah some strange pursuit of mimesis there. | 11:59 |
| troy_s | Never really understood that. | 11:59 |
| troy_s | There was one site I came across the other day. The fellow used 3D in this rather beautiful strange abstract works. | 12:00 |
| thorwil | oh common, there's enough there that doesn't try to copy the real world | 12:00 |
| troy_s | It's pretty damn impressive on all counts however. | 12:01 |
| troy_s | In terms of 3D, when you look at it and you have no clue, it is rather mind numbing. | 12:01 |
| troy_s | http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=121&s=f90f3bab558818a4aea5393bd5c54638&t=586695 | 12:01 |
| thorwil | that's what i mean | 12:01 |
| coz_ | troy_s, yeah I guess that is a bit much but still nicely done | 12:02 |
| troy_s | thorwil: The non 3D stuff is pretty magnificent. | 12:02 |
| thorwil | troy_s: yes, all in all i prefer it over the 3d stuff | 12:03 |
| troy_s | I have a series of photos that I need to finish | 12:04 |
| troy_s | then I think I'm going to try and get something done with inkscape | 12:04 |
| troy_s | using it as a paint tool... see how it ends up. | 12:04 |
| coz_ | ok guys ..it is after 7am here and I have not had breakfast.. so I need to go cook something be back a bit later... hope to see you both here :) | 12:04 |
| thorwil | ugh. i have to get my wacom working again, thanks to this one thing broken in hardy | 12:04 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Hrm... really? | 12:05 |
| troy_s | oh yeah... last time I looked the stanzas were missing in the damn xorg. | 12:05 |
| thorwil | troy_s: ok, there are more things broken, but it's the only real issue i have | 12:05 |
| thorwil | nah, my xorg.conf is fine | 12:05 |
| troy_s | whats busted tehn??!? | 12:06 |
| thorwil | after skimming forum posts and bug reports, it looks like it could be the kernel and/or an incompatibility between x and the wacom-tools | 12:07 |
| troy_s | thorwil: No way | 12:07 |
| troy_s | thorwil: I haven't tried since I bumped up...that would be a major problem for me. | 12:07 |
| thorwil | note that i have a serial tablet | 12:08 |
| * thorwil turns up the music and goes to clean the bathroom | 12:09 | |
| troy_s | thorwil: Ok night. I'm off. Werk on the morrow. Nice seeing you again. | 12:15 |
| andreasn | troy_s: nice inkscape tutorial on your blog | 12:52 |
| coz_ | whoa didnt see that andreasn do you have link handy? | 12:53 |
| andreasn | coz_: http://troy-sobotka.blogspot.com/2008/04/inkscape-tutorial-2-text-and-simple.html | 12:54 |
| coz_ | thanks :) | 12:54 |
| === thorwil_ is now known as thorwil | ||
| artir | cimi, where is the murrine's source code? | 15:47 |
| artir | i want RGBA on my desktop! | 15:47 |
| artir | :) | 15:47 |
| Cimi | artir, you need to w8 gtk+ patches | 15:56 |
| artir | i have v 0.60 bzr 39.2-1 | 15:56 |
| artir | and RGBA work in some places | 15:57 |
| artir | it looks like an alpha | 15:57 |
| artir | but is k00l | 15:57 |
| Cimi | bzrbzr? | 15:57 |
| Cimi | bzr? | 15:57 |
| artir | i got it from a ppa | 15:57 |
| artir | from gilir's ppa | 15:57 |
| Cimi | mmm I must ask him to close it | 15:58 |
| Cimi | where is that repo? | 15:58 |
| artir | http://ppa.launchpad.net/gilir/ubuntu | 15:58 |
| artir | why do you want to close it? | 15:59 |
| Cimi | oh lucky, old version :) | 15:59 |
| smallfoot- | what is the Human icon theme license? | 17:44 |
| thorwil | smallfoot-: GPL 2, i think | 17:46 |
| thorwil | no wait | 17:46 |
| thorwil | Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 | 17:47 |
| smallfoot- | oh | 17:47 |
| smallfoot- | there should be an easy way to find out | 17:47 |
| thorwil | smallfoot-: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/human-icon-theme | 17:47 |
| thorwil | see Copyright File on the right | 17:48 |
| smallfoot- | ah thanks | 17:49 |
| smallfoot- | should be able to see license from synaptic though | 17:49 |
| smallfoot- | who owns the copyright? | 17:50 |
| smallfoot- | Ubuntu Foundation, Ubuntu Art Team or Canonical? | 17:50 |
| _MMA_ | Most likely Canonical. | 17:51 |
| _MMA_ | Why do you ask? | 17:51 |
| thorwil | smallfoot-: true, synaptic should show license. consider filing a feature request | 17:51 |
| smallfoot- | im uploading screenshot to wikipedia | 17:51 |
| smallfoot- | and wikipedia needs to know author and copyright holder | 17:52 |
| smallfoot- | else it delete image | 17:52 |
| smallfoot- | because wikipedia dont want people to upload copyright images | 17:52 |
| thorwil | smallfoot-: from the file: Copyright 2004-2006 Canonical Ltd. | 17:52 |
| smallfoot- | oh | 17:52 |
| smallfoot- | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toolbar | 17:55 |
| smallfoot- | look cute, now toolbar is on wikipedia :D | 17:56 |
| cody-somerville | _MMA_, what do you think would be more useful in Prague? EUR or CZK? | 22:09 |
| _MMA_ | EUR | 22:24 |
| cody-somerville | doh :/ I bought more CZK then EUR. | 23:13 |
| _MMA_ | Won't matter really. Im going EUR because Im also traveling. | 23:20 |
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