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| Konam | hi | 17:09 |
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| Konam | I want to know where can I download the documentation for Hardy, I know where it is online but I like to keep the PDF | 17:10 |
| bcnaat | I believe that its still a work in progress, not even sure that its available in pdf format | 17:14 |
| Konam | bcnaat ok, but where is the page to get it for older versions (so I keep track when the Hardy version come out) | 17:15 |
| bcnaat | I'm searching now... | 17:15 |
| Konam | bcnaat me too | 17:16 |
| bcnaat | https://help.ubuntu.com/6.06/ | 17:18 |
| bcnaat | looks like the pdf option stops at 6.10 unless its hiding somewhere *frown* | 17:18 |
| bcnaat | hardy was released 4/24/08, if that's what you're needing | 17:20 |
| dsas | Yeah we stopped producing PDFs when we changed the way we write help to be "topic based" rather than one big guide. | 17:25 |
| bcnaat | is there a way to download the whole docbook onto your system in case you don't have internet and need to find an answer? | 17:26 |
| dsas | bcnaat: It already is. | 17:27 |
| dsas | bcnaat: It's in System and then Help | 17:27 |
| bcnaat | duh on me *frown* | 17:27 |
| bcnaat | I stay connected all the time and tend to research online for answers | 17:27 |
| dsas | heh me too. | 17:28 |
| Konam | I think we all do | 17:28 |
| Konam | dsas so now the big guide is only on the desktop help but not in only in the ubuntu docs? | 17:29 |
| dsas | Konam: I'm not sure I understand your question. We don't produce a big guide as such any more. But all of the ubuntu desktop help we do produce is in the system docs and on help.ubuntu.com | 17:30 |
| bcnaat | Konam: yes, everything that you see on the site is actually included in your systems help files. | 17:30 |
| Konam | dsas the thing is that I'm looking for the PDF of the ubuntu-server, I don't have such a built in help on the server | 17:31 |
| bcnaat | dsas: when the help files are updated, they are included in updates through update manager, correct? | 17:31 |
| Konam | here is the online server guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/index.html | 17:34 |
| dsas | bcnaat: yes | 17:36 |
| dsas | Konam: No such thing exists. | 17:36 |
| Konam | dsas since I will install the server on a vm I will be able to read the online doc but it will be good to have the PDF availabe | 17:36 |
| dsas | sorry, i'm on my way out. bye | 17:36 |
| bcnaat | Konam: maybe you could make your own? Here's a link to try http://wiki.docbook.org/topic/DocBookPublishingTools | 17:39 |
| DougieRichardson | konam: you could us dblatex from our xml's | 17:39 |
| Konam | bcnaat I thought about it but I need a lib to build it for me, you know, like use all the html links and build it, I don't know if that's possible or somethin of the sort | 17:40 |
| Konam | DougieRichardson I do it if you tell me how | 17:40 |
| DougieRichardson | ok, first install dblatex from the repos | 17:41 |
| DougieRichardson | then pull down the doc source from https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ | 17:43 |
| DougieRichardson | go to the server guide and dblatex filename.xml will create a pdf from the xml | 17:43 |
| bcnaat | how do you pull the doc source? | 17:52 |
| Konam | DougieRichardson dblatex filename.xml is the command I have to use? that simple? | 17:52 |
| DougieRichardson | konam: yes | 17:55 |
| DougieRichardson | bcnaat: you will need bzr installed | 17:56 |
| DougieRichardson | then follow the commands on https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/ubuntu-hardy | 17:56 |
| bcnaat | installed it, thanks. | 17:56 |
| DougieRichardson | i wont promise it'll be too pretty, lol | 17:57 |
| DougieRichardson | it took a fair bit of tweaking with the desktop training project, lol | 17:57 |
| Konam | DougieRichardson I'm already there, downloading dblatex, but I have to know if it is a heavy and prolonged process so I know if have to start in at night | 17:58 |
| DougieRichardson | it's 33 mb with all deps | 17:58 |
| bcnaat | dblatex didn't take long to download/install but the docs are taking a bit | 18:01 |
| DougieRichardson | that's bzr for you | 18:03 |
| Konam | DougieRichardson it won't be pretty in which sense? I thought that that was the way you built the latest PDF files | 18:03 |
| Konam | ? | 18:03 |
| DougieRichardson | dblatex is not as flexible with formatting as I would like it to be. It produces good pdf output though | 18:05 |
| bcnaat | that should be interesting. I'm still learning how to use wiki | 18:07 |
| DougieRichardson | i just tried the server guide and it generates an error - my bad | 18:10 |
| DougieRichardson | if you give me till tommorrow i'll sort it out and post a pdf of the current server guide on my webpage for you | 18:10 |
| DougieRichardson | it works fine with every other file in there as well!! | 18:11 |
| Konam | DougieRichardson ok, I would really appreciate that :) | 18:17 |
| DougieRichardson | ok, save you looking it up - http://blog.lynxworks.eu/ | 18:18 |
| Konam | ok | 18:22 |
| DougieRichardson | nickellery: i was just about to email you! | 18:29 |
| nickellery | DougieRichardson: hi there | 18:29 |
| DougieRichardson | you know your tech patch for games.xml? | 18:30 |
| nickellery | yes | 18:31 |
| DougieRichardson | there was a spec last year to review games.xml completely | 18:33 |
| DougieRichardson | because it's essentially a big list of games | 18:33 |
| nickellery | so.. did I do a good or bad thing reviewing it? | 18:34 |
| DougieRichardson | no no its a good review | 18:35 |
| nickellery | thats good to hear | 18:35 |
| nickellery | any suggestions on what to review next? | 18:35 |
| DougieRichardson | just wondered if you felt like developing it a bit further | 18:35 |
| DougieRichardson | expanding the section on wine/cedega for example | 18:36 |
| nickellery | I'm not too experienced with cedega, but I have a little knowledge of WINE | 18:36 |
| nickellery | what needs to be expanded about it? | 18:36 |
| DougieRichardson | just whatever you think, from the perspective of someone migrating from windows - any ideas, discuss them with the mailing list | 18:38 |
| nickellery | alright... do you think that enough games have been mentioned? | 18:39 |
| nickellery | Perhaps that can be expanded too | 18:39 |
| DougieRichardson | whatever you feel might be an improvement. Nobody took this on as a task for 7.04 | 18:46 |
| nickellery | Alright, I'll have a look and see what I can come up with | 18:46 |
| DougieRichardson | great | 18:48 |
| nickellery | how about provided info about all the games with a 4 or 5 star rating that haven't been mentioned yet? | 18:52 |
| DougieRichardson | nick: sounds like a good idea | 19:08 |
| nickellery | should i put together a summary of my ideas for the mailing list? | 19:10 |
| nickellery | Nevermind, I've already sent it out | 19:18 |
| nickellery | tell me what you think | 19:18 |
| DougieRichardson | ok | 19:19 |
| j1mc | is anyone around? | 20:13 |
| DougieRichardson | yes | 20:20 |
| j1mc | Hi DougieRichardson ... i've squished down the xubuntu-doc structure per mdke's suggestion, and everything is bombing out when i go to validate. | 20:20 |
| j1mc | i think it's in the XSL, but i don't really know much about xsl. | 20:21 |
| DougieRichardson | what's the first error from the validate | 20:21 |
| j1mc | DougieRichardson: good question. there are so many errors, that i can't even scroll up to the first error to check it out. | 20:21 |
| DougieRichardson | lol | 20:21 |
| j1mc | and doing a pipe or grep on the validation output doesn't work. | 20:22 |
| DougieRichardson | try using the carat | 20:23 |
| j1mc | carat? how so? | 20:23 |
| DougieRichardson | i.e. cat `validate.sh filename.sh` | 20:23 |
| j1mc | ok | 20:23 |
| DougieRichardson | i.e. cat `validate.sh filename.xml` rather | 20:23 |
| j1mc | right... brb | 20:23 |
| DougieRichardson | わたしわ | 20:24 |
| DougieRichardson | sorry | 20:24 |
| DougieRichardson | wrong screen | 20:24 |
| j1mc | DougieRichardson: hm, i'm trying this: `./validate.sh ../index.xml` > ~/errors.txt | 20:34 |
| j1mc | but it is not working | 20:34 |
| j1mc | sorry... with "cat" at the front | 20:35 |
| DougieRichardson | ok well what's the earliest error you can see? | 20:35 |
| j1mc | Validating ../index.xml ... | 20:36 |
| j1mc | ../index.xml:5: warning: failed to load external entity "../../libs/global.ent" | 20:36 |
| j1mc | ah, i guess it is giving me the first error. | 20:36 |
| DougieRichardson | oh wait a minute - you can use the -o filename option to output to a file: try validate.sh -o errors filename.xml | 20:37 |
| DougieRichardson | yes that looks like a path error - are you checking the first file in the hierarchy? | 20:38 |
| j1mc | DougieRichardson: well, when i correct the path error to have the index.xml file correctly map to the global.ent file, that is when i get so many errors that i can't see all of them. | 20:40 |
| j1mc | (when i provide the correct path to all of my .ent files...) | 20:41 |
| DougieRichardson | send me your index.xml | 20:43 |
| j1mc | sent. | 20:47 |
| j1mc | xubuntu docs are a bit weird in that it's not really valid docbook. we're set up to use xinclude to pull all of the various files together into one big megafile. | 20:48 |
| DougieRichardson | i see - give me a second. the kettle just pinged | 20:49 |
| j1mc | so individual files won't validate, but everything works if index.xml validates. | 20:50 |
| j1mc | if you want to pull down the xubuntu docs - it only takes about a minute. | 20:50 |
| j1mc | bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/xubuntu-intrepid | 20:51 |
| DougieRichardson | ok - btw are those identitied meant to be absolute? | 20:51 |
| j1mc | "those identified" ... can you explain? | 20:51 |
| DougieRichardson | whoops i mean your references to the entities | 20:52 |
| j1mc | they were absolute (and they validated) in the hardy docs, so i guess that they are meant to be absolute. | 20:53 |
| DougieRichardson | ok - give me a couple of minutes to look it over, fresh eys and all that | 20:54 |
| j1mc | thanks, DougieRichardson. i appreciate your help. | 20:55 |
| j1mc | without getting these errors resolved, no one can really proceed to work on other changes to the docs. | 20:56 |
| DougieRichardson | i see the problem - it's the references to the entities that are messed up. Has there been a change to the directory structure? | 21:03 |
| j1mc | yes | 21:03 |
| j1mc | we squished things down per mdke's request/suggestion | 21:03 |
| j1mc | the ref's to the entities in the index.xml file? | 21:04 |
| DougieRichardson | no all the refs have an extra ../ that they don't need | 21:04 |
| j1mc | can you provide a file name that has this problem? | 21:04 |
| DougieRichardson | all of them! every section! | 21:05 |
| j1mc | ok.... cool. :) | 21:06 |
| j1mc | i will fix them... that, i can handle :) | 21:06 |
| j1mc | thanks, DougieRichardson | 21:06 |
| DougieRichardson | no worries | 21:06 |
| j1mc | btw, do you speak japanese? i noticed the hiragana earlier. | 21:06 |
| DougieRichardson | i'm learning to but very badly, lol | 21:07 |
| DougieRichardson | i was messing about preparing a page on IME for the wiki | 21:07 |
| j1mc | ah, ok. i used to know some, but i'm quite out of practice. | 21:07 |
| j1mc | i lived in japan as an exchange student in the summer of 1992. | 21:07 |
| j1mc | anyway, thanks again for your help. i very much appreciate it. | 21:08 |
| DougieRichardson | i'm terrible because i used rosetta stone to learn to speak so if things aren't spelt how i hear them i get it wrong | 21:08 |
| DougieRichardson | exchange in japan would have been cool | 21:08 |
| j1mc | ah... fortunately japanese pronunciation / spelling is usually pretty consistent, at least from what i remember. | 21:09 |
| j1mc | have a good day! | 21:09 |
| DougieRichardson | cheers | 21:14 |
| DougieRichardson | there are also some missing references to gnome menu entries, particularly in windows/glossary.xml | 21:18 |
| DougieRichardson | ah i see - were the gnome entities changed to xubuntu entities? | 21:20 |
| j1mc | DougieRichardson: i'll have to check that out. i don't recall off of the top of my head. | 21:29 |
| DougieRichardson | i've got the thing to pass validate if you want me to push it | 21:30 |
| j1mc | DougieRichardson: sure. that would be very nice of you. | 21:40 |
| DougieRichardson | ok, if you don't mind! | 21:41 |
| j1mc | i'll look over your changes, but i'm sure they'll be ok. if not, it would be easy to change back. | 21:42 |
| DougieRichardson | ok mate I've pushed it | 21:43 |
| j1mc | thanks, DougieRichardson :) | 21:46 |
| DougieRichardson | no worries - i'm off for a coffee, lol | 21:46 |
| j1mc | you rock, DougieRichardson. thanks. | 21:49 |
| DougieRichardson | ttfn | 21:49 |
| prvul | Hi! I need help regarding wiki, is this the right place? | 22:04 |
| nickellery | it might be, whats your question? | 22:06 |
| prvul | I am a member of serbian loco team. We want to move on official ubuntu wiki | 22:07 |
| prvul | and need some guide for that | 22:07 |
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| PriceChild | Noticed http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=780216 just want to clarify where to suggest they report it? (Isn't broken in system help) | 23:23 |
| LaserJock | PriceChild: file a bug against ubuntu-docs? | 23:36 |
| PriceChild | LaserJock: thanks, from the Doc team page mentioned in the topic I figured that was for the package in ubuntu. | 23:37 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 23:38 |
| LaserJock | it is | 23:38 |
| LaserJock | but we build the help.ubuntu.com pages from the same files | 23:38 |
| LaserJock | so it's likely a problem there | 23:38 |
| LaserJock | PriceChild: I guess better would be to file a bug against the ubuntu-doc project | 23:39 |
| LaserJock | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-doc/+filebug | 23:40 |
| PriceChild | LaserJock: thanks very much :) Will post that advice to them and ask to post a link to the bug in the thread to get them involved, and if not will do it myself after a day or so. | 23:41 |
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