=== fdd-0 is now known as fdd [17:09] hi [17:10] I want to know where can I download the documentation for Hardy, I know where it is online but I like to keep the PDF [17:14] I believe that its still a work in progress, not even sure that its available in pdf format [17:15] bcnaat ok, but where is the page to get it for older versions (so I keep track when the Hardy version come out) [17:15] I'm searching now... [17:16] bcnaat me too [17:18] https://help.ubuntu.com/6.06/ [17:18] looks like the pdf option stops at 6.10 unless its hiding somewhere *frown* [17:20] hardy was released 4/24/08, if that's what you're needing [17:25] Yeah we stopped producing PDFs when we changed the way we write help to be "topic based" rather than one big guide. [17:26] is there a way to download the whole docbook onto your system in case you don't have internet and need to find an answer? [17:27] bcnaat: It already is. [17:27] bcnaat: It's in System and then Help [17:27] duh on me *frown* [17:27] I stay connected all the time and tend to research online for answers [17:28] heh me too. [17:28] I think we all do [17:29] dsas so now the big guide is only on the desktop help but not in only in the ubuntu docs? [17:30] Konam: I'm not sure I understand your question. We don't produce a big guide as such any more. But all of the ubuntu desktop help we do produce is in the system docs and on help.ubuntu.com [17:30] Konam: yes, everything that you see on the site is actually included in your systems help files. [17:31] dsas the thing is that I'm looking for the PDF of the ubuntu-server, I don't have such a built in help on the server [17:31] dsas: when the help files are updated, they are included in updates through update manager, correct? [17:34] here is the online server guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/index.html [17:36] bcnaat: yes [17:36] Konam: No such thing exists. [17:36] dsas since I will install the server on a vm I will be able to read the online doc but it will be good to have the PDF availabe [17:36] sorry, i'm on my way out. bye [17:39] Konam: maybe you could make your own? Here's a link to try http://wiki.docbook.org/topic/DocBookPublishingTools [17:39] konam: you could us dblatex from our xml's [17:40] bcnaat I thought about it but I need a lib to build it for me, you know, like use all the html links and build it, I don't know if that's possible or somethin of the sort [17:40] DougieRichardson I do it if you tell me how [17:41] ok, first install dblatex from the repos [17:43] then pull down the doc source from https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ [17:43] go to the server guide and dblatex filename.xml will create a pdf from the xml [17:52] how do you pull the doc source? [17:52] DougieRichardson dblatex filename.xml is the command I have to use? that simple? [17:55] konam: yes [17:56] bcnaat: you will need bzr installed [17:56] then follow the commands on https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/ubuntu-hardy [17:56] installed it, thanks. [17:57] i wont promise it'll be too pretty, lol [17:57] it took a fair bit of tweaking with the desktop training project, lol [17:58] DougieRichardson I'm already there, downloading dblatex, but I have to know if it is a heavy and prolonged process so I know if have to start in at night [17:58] it's 33 mb with all deps [18:01] dblatex didn't take long to download/install but the docs are taking a bit [18:03] that's bzr for you [18:03] DougieRichardson it won't be pretty in which sense? I thought that that was the way you built the latest PDF files [18:03] ? [18:05] dblatex is not as flexible with formatting as I would like it to be. It produces good pdf output though [18:07] that should be interesting. I'm still learning how to use wiki [18:10] i just tried the server guide and it generates an error - my bad [18:10] if you give me till tommorrow i'll sort it out and post a pdf of the current server guide on my webpage for you [18:11] it works fine with every other file in there as well!! [18:17] DougieRichardson ok, I would really appreciate that :) [18:18] ok, save you looking it up - http://blog.lynxworks.eu/ [18:22] ok [18:29] nickellery: i was just about to email you! [18:29] DougieRichardson: hi there [18:30] you know your tech patch for games.xml? [18:31] yes [18:33] there was a spec last year to review games.xml completely [18:33] because it's essentially a big list of games [18:34] so.. did I do a good or bad thing reviewing it? [18:35] no no its a good review [18:35] thats good to hear [18:35] any suggestions on what to review next? [18:35] just wondered if you felt like developing it a bit further [18:36] expanding the section on wine/cedega for example [18:36] I'm not too experienced with cedega, but I have a little knowledge of WINE [18:36] what needs to be expanded about it? [18:38] just whatever you think, from the perspective of someone migrating from windows - any ideas, discuss them with the mailing list [18:39] alright... do you think that enough games have been mentioned? [18:39] Perhaps that can be expanded too [18:46] whatever you feel might be an improvement. Nobody took this on as a task for 7.04 [18:46] Alright, I'll have a look and see what I can come up with [18:48] great [18:52] how about provided info about all the games with a 4 or 5 star rating that haven't been mentioned yet? [19:08] nick: sounds like a good idea [19:10] should i put together a summary of my ideas for the mailing list? [19:18] Nevermind, I've already sent it out [19:18] tell me what you think [19:19] ok [20:13] is anyone around? [20:20] yes [20:20] Hi DougieRichardson ... i've squished down the xubuntu-doc structure per mdke's suggestion, and everything is bombing out when i go to validate. [20:21] i think it's in the XSL, but i don't really know much about xsl. [20:21] what's the first error from the validate [20:21] DougieRichardson: good question. there are so many errors, that i can't even scroll up to the first error to check it out. [20:21] lol [20:22] and doing a pipe or grep on the validation output doesn't work. [20:23] try using the carat [20:23] carat? how so? [20:23] i.e. cat `validate.sh filename.sh` [20:23] ok [20:23] i.e. cat `validate.sh filename.xml` rather [20:23] right... brb [20:24] わたしわ [20:24] sorry [20:24] wrong screen [20:34] DougieRichardson: hm, i'm trying this: `./validate.sh ../index.xml` > ~/errors.txt [20:34] but it is not working [20:35] sorry... with "cat" at the front [20:35] ok well what's the earliest error you can see? [20:36] Validating ../index.xml ... [20:36] ../index.xml:5: warning: failed to load external entity "../../libs/global.ent" [20:36] ah, i guess it is giving me the first error. [20:37] oh wait a minute - you can use the -o filename option to output to a file: try validate.sh -o errors filename.xml [20:38] yes that looks like a path error - are you checking the first file in the hierarchy? [20:40] DougieRichardson: well, when i correct the path error to have the index.xml file correctly map to the global.ent file, that is when i get so many errors that i can't see all of them. [20:41] (when i provide the correct path to all of my .ent files...) [20:43] send me your index.xml [20:47] sent. [20:48] xubuntu docs are a bit weird in that it's not really valid docbook. we're set up to use xinclude to pull all of the various files together into one big megafile. [20:49] i see - give me a second. the kettle just pinged [20:50] so individual files won't validate, but everything works if index.xml validates. [20:50] if you want to pull down the xubuntu docs - it only takes about a minute. [20:51] bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/xubuntu-intrepid [20:51] ok - btw are those identitied meant to be absolute? [20:51] "those identified" ... can you explain? [20:52] whoops i mean your references to the entities [20:53] they were absolute (and they validated) in the hardy docs, so i guess that they are meant to be absolute. [20:54] ok - give me a couple of minutes to look it over, fresh eys and all that [20:55] thanks, DougieRichardson. i appreciate your help. [20:56] without getting these errors resolved, no one can really proceed to work on other changes to the docs. [21:03] i see the problem - it's the references to the entities that are messed up. Has there been a change to the directory structure? [21:03] yes [21:03] we squished things down per mdke's request/suggestion [21:04] the ref's to the entities in the index.xml file? [21:04] no all the refs have an extra ../ that they don't need [21:04] can you provide a file name that has this problem? [21:05] all of them! every section! [21:06] ok.... cool. :) [21:06] i will fix them... that, i can handle :) [21:06] thanks, DougieRichardson [21:06] no worries [21:06] btw, do you speak japanese? i noticed the hiragana earlier. [21:07] i'm learning to but very badly, lol [21:07] i was messing about preparing a page on IME for the wiki [21:07] ah, ok. i used to know some, but i'm quite out of practice. [21:07] i lived in japan as an exchange student in the summer of 1992. [21:08] anyway, thanks again for your help. i very much appreciate it. [21:08] i'm terrible because i used rosetta stone to learn to speak so if things aren't spelt how i hear them i get it wrong [21:08] exchange in japan would have been cool [21:09] ah... fortunately japanese pronunciation / spelling is usually pretty consistent, at least from what i remember. [21:09] have a good day! [21:14] cheers [21:18] there are also some missing references to gnome menu entries, particularly in windows/glossary.xml [21:20] ah i see - were the gnome entities changed to xubuntu entities? [21:29] DougieRichardson: i'll have to check that out. i don't recall off of the top of my head. [21:30] i've got the thing to pass validate if you want me to push it [21:40] DougieRichardson: sure. that would be very nice of you. [21:41] ok, if you don't mind! [21:42] i'll look over your changes, but i'm sure they'll be ok. if not, it would be easy to change back. [21:43] ok mate I've pushed it [21:46] thanks, DougieRichardson :) [21:46] no worries - i'm off for a coffee, lol [21:49] you rock, DougieRichardson. thanks. [21:49] ttfn [22:04] Hi! I need help regarding wiki, is this the right place? [22:06] it might be, whats your question? [22:07] I am a member of serbian loco team. We want to move on official ubuntu wiki [22:07] and need some guide for that === fdd is now known as ionutjula === ionutjula is now known as fdd [23:23] Noticed http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=780216 just want to clarify where to suggest they report it? (Isn't broken in system help) [23:36] PriceChild: file a bug against ubuntu-docs? [23:37] LaserJock: thanks, from the Doc team page mentioned in the topic I figured that was for the package in ubuntu. [23:38] hmm [23:38] it is [23:38] but we build the help.ubuntu.com pages from the same files [23:38] so it's likely a problem there [23:39] PriceChild: I guess better would be to file a bug against the ubuntu-doc project [23:40] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-doc/+filebug [23:41] LaserJock: thanks very much :) Will post that advice to them and ask to post a link to the bug in the thread to get them involved, and if not will do it myself after a day or so.