=== ajmorris|AFK is now known as ajmorris [00:35] heh [00:35] high [00:36] lol next version pre alpha already [00:36] im impressed :) [00:36] inriped [00:36] or ontrepid [00:36] intrepid, this name is strange [00:37] where can i find the roadmap of ibex? === ajmorris is now known as ajmorris|AFK [02:31] tritium: /msg chanserv op #ubuntu+1 [02:31] Yes, I see I have access. [02:32] \o/ [02:32] Amaranth: :) [02:33] time to ban some newbs ;) [02:42] I would beat my op chest with my op fists, but alas, I could not ban my way out of a wet paper bag. [02:43] * BunnyRevolution is amused [03:24] i wish ubuntu had a menu kinda like the vista start menu. It sucks when you have a lot of stuff in for say the games menu [03:25] add a launcher [03:25] dfgas: [03:26] right next to firefox i added a pidgin one [03:27] what for each thing i want to use? [03:28] hmm [03:28] before clicking on the thing you want a launcher for you gright click and click on add to launcher panel [03:32] hmmm [03:32] didn't get any sound in nexuiz [03:33] sorry wrong chan [03:33] haha [03:36] :D [03:36] found a fix however [03:37] ok [03:37] cool [03:51] evening all [03:57] does the Ibex has Firefox nightlies on it? [05:05] I don't know were to ask this, I use virtual-box, and since the kernel update today, I can't run my virtual-box. When will the kernel modules be updated? [05:05] for this new kernel version [05:08] ZiggyFish: you can use the binary from virtualbox.org [05:13] thanks :( [06:59] How do I upgrade to Intrepid? sudo apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't work. This is my first time trying to upgrade pre-alpha - I want to run an Intrepid VM and see what things break. [07:08] don't. [07:09] hydrogen: I always hear "expect breakage, and don't upgrade unless you want to deal with failure". Well, I expect breakage, and I want to deal with failure, but I don't know what the new repos are or what the command is to switch to them. [07:09] if all you want to do is deal with failure [07:09] then why do you want to upgrade? [07:10] and, if you don't know how to upgrade, you probably shouldn't be upgrading [07:11] hydrogen: Why shouldn't I be upgrading? I want to upgrade, specifically to see what breaks during the upgrade, so I can understand more about the upgrade process and follow progress. [07:11] everythings going to break, intrepid just started [07:11] wait until theres something to upgrade to [07:12] hydrogen: so, you'll tell me when I'm older? That's disappointing. :-( [07:13] RyanPrior: change /etc/apt/sources.list hardy->intrepid; run apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade (or use aptitude or graphical installer) [07:13] RyanPrior: and have fun [07:14] Thanks. Fun will be had - though perhaps, as hydrogen says, not in earnest for another week or two. [07:14] and don't say in a thing here when it doesn't work [07:14] No complaints from me until Alpha 1. :-) [07:33] can one jump to the ibex already? [08:13] apparently yes, alex_mayorga.. [08:13] if one doesn't mind significant instability and recovering from total system failure [08:13] Sionide, guide please? [08:14] I'm probably going to debian anyway so hit me please [08:14] *shrug* [08:15] do what lemonade suggests above.. [08:16] no above here, just joined minutes ago [08:17] oh my bad, i turned off join/part messages heh [08:17] RyanPrior: change /etc/apt/sources.list hardy->intrepid; run apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade (or use aptitude or graphical installer) [08:19] Sionide, thanks [08:20] but as they were saying, there's not much worth upgrading for just yet [08:24] but then I could take my problems into this less crowded channel and start nominating the bugs that have haunted me since feisty :) [08:40] !upgrade [08:40] !pastebin [08:40] hi [08:40] ubotu is broken [08:40] How's intriped Ibex? [08:40] good? [08:40] don't know [08:40] still have Hardy [08:40] yea [08:40] had it since beta [08:40] I bet so [08:40] yea [08:40] same here [08:41] Hardy wa smore stable as beta than gusty and Fiesty were stable as Stable versions [08:41] for me at least [08:41] hardy is better than the previous version [08:41] yeah [08:42] even the live cd is far mroe better [08:42] oh yeah [08:42] thelive cd loaded faster than the HDD load [08:42] no more slow down or bugs [08:42] that is strange [08:42] lol [08:42] I like i though [08:42] and... [08:42] less stuff to load probably [08:42] or RAM is good [08:42] it is like 3:40 in the mornig here [08:42] probly [08:42] but... [08:42] I am so tired [08:43] Had SATs yesterday [08:43] got up at 6 [08:43] so [08:43] I have been up for almost 22 hours [08:43] plus a mohor test that sucked [08:43] lol [08:43] I had ACT [08:43] but... [08:43] that sucks [08:43] but... Ubotu is broken [08:43] not this year [08:43] lol [08:43] or not here [08:43] they haven't set up yet [08:43] oh [08:44] man, I like ubotu [08:44] he is cool [08:44] lol [08:44] brb [08:44] k [08:45] back [08:45] lots of Dr. Pepper and water [08:45] now it i gone [08:45] *is [08:49] I still have a laptop whose graphics won't work on the final Hardy Live CD [08:49] i have such a computer [08:50] nvidia maybe? [08:50] nope, a very old computer [08:51] hi [08:51] back [08:51] lol, we are talking about hardy in Intriped Ibex channel [08:52] !ot [08:52] :) [09:57] Is anyone else having problems with the latest gcc-4.2 and perl updates? === sourcode_ is now known as sourcode === gnomefre2k is now known as gnomefreak [14:02] hi, my Xorg in intrepid cant find the FIXED font and fails [14:02] what's going on? [14:03] i have the same problem [14:04] I'd say "It'd broken, sorry" [14:04] do not expect anything to work right now, at all. and if, by chance, something does work, expect it to break soon [14:05] it seems like some trivial b0rkage.. any workaround or smth? [14:05] well, things like binutils and Xorg i expect to find at least working :D [14:06] other stuff is natural to break [14:07] oh, the kernel too :p [14:09] is there a relevant bugreport? [14:09] i might try to observe it with links :p [14:17] okay, links2 locked my screen, nice :D [14:20] so noone has any idea about the problem? [14:24] if you can't live without X, then try Hardy [14:24] i had hardy.. it doesnt get updates anymore [14:24] =) [14:25] cbr: yea only security and bugfixes [14:25] exactly [14:25] enable -updates -backports and -proposed then, there are already some in -proposed [14:26] hmm [14:26] guess i'll have to use a knoppix cd then because i really need X tonight [14:26] mb going to put back debian unstable or smth.. [14:27] they tend to keep the real borkage in experimental :p [14:29] =) [14:33] wow cant load Software Sources . crashes [14:34] ahh the problem is gcc4.2.2 [14:36] what's . ? [14:43] cbr: i have the same problem [14:43] tried copying fonts from hardy never worked though [14:45] lol, hes away [14:45] anyone else got the same problem? [15:08] damn, im getting the X errors too :/ [15:31] hi [15:31] released for upgrade from update-manager ? [15:52] hello guys ... i just installed kubuntu 8.04 but the problem is it uses vesa drivers when i install the propariety drivers i get the white screen of death [15:52] ... [15:52] ask in one channel [15:52] not at least three [16:01] Does anyone have a fix for the "default font not found" when trying to start X ? [16:08] RussellGee: not yet, Xorg is still broken for me [16:09] !topic | Benjamin_L [16:10] Benjamin_L, "For more info, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex | Intrepid is PRE-ALPHA softare, and we do NOT recommend that users upgrade at this time." [16:10] bobbo: i have tried loads of things, copied & pasted fonts from hardy, reinstalled xfonts-base, reinstalled X [16:10] Just wondering, how are your experiences with updating from gutsy to hardy ? In "earlier" days i just to do a fresh install but this time it was "only" an update yet it seems to run smoothly fore me. [16:10] its something silly just i cant work it out :P [16:11] RussellGee: heh, my plan was just to wait until someone got round to fixing it :) [16:13] lol, it gives me something to do instead of studying for my exams :p [16:14] next one is tuesday and im dreading it :s [16:14] My first one is tuesday, got another on Thursday, cant be bothered with them [16:14] got better things to do, like watch people fix Xorg on IRC [16:15] Standard Grades? [16:15] lol [16:15] yeah, English and Maths :) [16:15] lol same :p [16:15] hehe :D [16:15] you only got 2 :P [16:15] lucky ***** [16:15] i got another on the 22nd but thats *ages* away :P [16:16] i got 8 [16:16] lol [16:16] sucks :/ [16:17] what levels you sitting? [16:17] Maths General, English and Modern Studies Credit, you? [16:18] So now on to asking my question again, did anyone find a way to fix this kinit problem yet or do we have to wait for an update? [16:18] I hope this is the right channel now.. [16:18] Benjamin_L, what exactly is your problem ? [16:19] English, Chemistry, Computing, Craft, Physics, Business Mng, Graphics Credit [16:19] and Maths Int2 [16:19] o.o [16:19] ubuntu starts up until the xserver would normally start, I get a message "kinit: name to dev_t ..." No resume image, doing normal boot [16:20] RussellGee: I was supposed to do maths Int2, then i got 34% in the prelim :/ [16:20] the xserver tries to start but fails after doing it four times [16:20] Benjamin_L, so you're at a terminal ? type "startx" [16:20] RussellGee: back on topic :P, Bug #226514 has a solution [16:21] RussellGee: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxfont/+bug/226514 [16:21] bobbo: i just scraped it ;) [16:22] Cheers [16:22] hwilde: alsready tried that, I get hostname: Unknown host, etc. bad display name "z347:0" in "list" command and the same for "resume" unable to connect to the x server [16:22] i found something that it might be related to /etc/hosts [16:22] but that file is fine [16:23] bobbo: going to try that now [16:23] Benjamin_L, can you pastebin /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname [16:24] I only have internet on my laptop now but I'll type it, just a second [16:24] hostname is z347 [16:24] that error message is related to one of those files. [16:26] hwilde: http://pastebin.ca/1007038 [16:27] Benjamin_L, change that line to 127.0.0.1 localhost z347 [16:28] then the display z347:0 should resolve to localhost:0 [16:28] hwilde: thanks, I'll try [16:30] hwilde: the x server still doesn't seem to like me but the messages about unknown host are gone now [16:30] Benjamin_L, what is the error now [16:30] can't connect to the x server [16:30] right xserver is not running [16:30] do ummm sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart [16:31] !restartx | Benjamin_L [16:31] hey where is ubottu [16:31] I tried to restart gdm and even rebooted but to no avail [16:32] hwilde: fatal server error: could not open default font fixed [16:33] ah there you go [16:33] what'd you do to your fonts [16:33] nothing, it worked alright up to the latest updates I did this morning [16:34] /usr/share/fonts/X11 still the right directory? [16:34] where is that default font defined ? [16:35] hwilde: good question, my xorg.conf doesn't mention anything like 'fixed' [16:36] RussellGee: has downgrading fixed it for you? [16:36] Benjamin_L, dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig [16:37] bobbo: just about to boot into it just now to see [16:37] brb [16:39] hwilde: still the same [16:40] hwilde: some lines above it tells me "could not init font path element ..., removing from list" [16:41] seems to do this with every font listed in xorg.conf [16:44] well... that's your problem right there [16:44] but i'm not sure how to fix that one [16:44] did you get all the updates? [16:44] bobbo: yeah it worked [16:44] wahey :D [16:44] yep, all concerning the x server, maybe only some have been ready and now things are messed up, I don't know [16:45] Benjamin_L, backup your xorg.conf , delete it, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [16:45] bobbo: still have some dependency problems but atleast things are booting now ;) [16:46] RussellGee: dpendency problems with "cpp-4.2 gcc-4.2 gcc-4.2-base perl perl-base perl-modules"? [16:46] what I still want to know is when you apt-get instal openssh-server from the livecd, where does it install to exactly? [16:47] plus cups and a few other things [16:47] hwilde: still the same [16:47] guess I'll have to wait and see [16:47] Benjamin_L, it's not from xorg.conf then [16:47] something else [16:48] RussellGee: about the dpendencies problem, do you get https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/226400 when you run update-manager? [16:48] I just read about a font-server but the post was from 2004, sounds outdated :) [16:49] should I install xfs or xfstt? [16:50] bobbo: yeap [16:50] RussellGee: heh, thats been annoying me all dy [16:50] s/dy/day [16:51] apt is still working fine though [16:52] yeah gcc and perl are messing *everything* up [16:52] except installing and removing [16:52] i actually thought it was just me [16:53] i upgrade mabey a little to quickly lol [16:53] its more fun when you dont know if your computers going to boot everyday :) [16:53] yeah :p [16:54] bobbo: atm its not that much fun ^^ [16:54] i really would be better off just using sid :p [16:55] upgrading perl basicly removes everything lol [16:55] bobbo: my update manager showed the same, haven't seen it since rebooting ;) [16:56] Benjamin_L: im too scared to reboot after almost having no Xorg [16:56] bobbo: that where my desktop is now, no xorg and no obvious reason how to fix it [16:57] Benjamin_L: did you try downgrading libxfont1? [16:57] I still wonder why there is no intrepid forum on ubuntuforums, all the development forums have been that useful for fixing problem [16:57] bobbo: no, ILl try [16:57] i was thinking the same thing [16:58] should be made soon [16:59] bobbo: only got the latest version in /var/cache/apt/archives :/ [17:00] Benjamin_L, you could try the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex [17:00] Benjamin_L: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10007/plain/ [17:01] bobbo: I'll try, but I'll have to cut my internet connection on my laptop for that, see you later [17:02] * hwilde wonders how he expects to make intrepid work if he can't share internet... [17:03] Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods [17:03] Driver 'sr' needs updating - please use bus_type methods [17:03] brb [17:04] bobbo: this fixed it, thank you [17:05] Benjamin_L: no problem :) [17:06] bobbo: have you tried downgrading update-manager to fix that problem? [17:07] RussellGee: no i think it because of the dependency problems, not a problem with update-manager [17:07] * bobbo goes to check the changelog anyway [17:08] nah its the same version in Hardy and Intrepid, definately because of the other dpe's problems [17:08] Ok [17:13] how do you get apt to lock at a version of a package? So its not trying to upgrade to the dodgy libxfont1 package [17:13] synaptic [17:13] find your package [17:13] --no-upgrade [17:14] packages > lock pakage [17:14] package* [17:14] thanks guys :) [17:14] lock version sorry [17:15] is the ubuntu uk server behind the main server? [17:17] anyone know? [17:18] RussellGee: nah sorry [17:18] * bobbo grabs the new htop update :D [17:19] so thanks to everyone who helped me, lets hope we get an intrepid forum soon :) bye [17:19] bye Benjamin_L [17:19] benjamin: i might go do some moaning see if we can get it [17:19] :P [17:20] bye [18:06] Hi everybod [18:07] I upgraded from dapper to HArdy without problems..except that my external ntsf HD didn't get mounted...any idea? [18:16] I upgraded from dapper to HArdy without problems..except that my external ntsf HD didn't get mounted...any idea? === gnomefre1k is now known as gnomefreak [18:17] I have an idea! [18:17] You are in the wronng channel [18:17] fidelio: Hardy support is at #ubuntu [18:38] can anyone please help me with this post ? i really need to get this fixed http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=780525 [18:40] david: your in the wrong place [18:40] go to #ubuntu for support [18:40] this is for intriped [18:40] RussellGee: i have for two hours now and no one will help me not even in #wine. [18:41] this room used to be for hardy why is it now for intriped? [18:41] hardy is now released [18:42] hardy is now #ubuntu [18:42] for a start you need to .wine directory is owned by root which is wrong [18:43] to fix the .wine* [18:43] go to #ubuntu for help [18:43] RussellGee: i have wine .61 i compiled from source and i can not uninstall it do you mind helping me ? [18:43] 0.9.59 is in the repos [18:44] cd into the source directory that you installed from and type sudo make uninstall [18:44] RussellGee:ok thanks but no one will help me in there with anything for some reason they all ignore me. === fdd-0 is now known as fdd [18:51] daekdroom: RussellGee is right but for wine #winehq is most of time better faster and more informitive [18:51] opps [18:51] hes gone [19:00] is x broken at the moment? [19:02] Skiessi: yeah, theres a problem with libxfonts [19:18] i m facing serious problem in kubuntu, I can't shutdown my computer ! :(can any body help ?big problem while shutting down... i always hard shutdown my computer :( [19:19] just blank screen appears and stays like that [19:22] is your pc pre-2k one? [19:23] when you're booting your pc, does it whine about acpi for a line? [19:24] because I have that problem in my older pc [19:24] no no [19:24] its toshiba laptop [19:25] D_Eagle: it might be issue with usplash [19:25] check if /etc/usplash.conf has wrong resolutions set [19:25] hmm.. okay [19:26] the resolution is okay [19:26] ok [19:29] does it show the progress bar and you see it finish, but it just doesn't shut down? [19:30] nothing but a blank screen appears and stays like that [19:30] but if i press ctrl+alt+backspace login window appears [19:30] Ubuntu Hardy | Linux SGC-Atlantis 2.6.24-17-generic | FritzBoxWLAN Stick | Does not work. PLEASE HELP OUT! [19:30] and from there if i shutdown again, then i can see all those progressbars [19:31] but even after that.. the computer doesn't turn off [19:31] Xsss4hell: Ubuntu Hardy support is at #ubuntu [19:32] what is ubuntu+1? [19:32] Intrepid Ibex [19:32] Development version. [19:32] 8.10 [19:32] ah [19:32] kernel version? [19:33] Er.. [19:33] Xsss4hell: same as hardy at the moment [19:33] ah [19:33] 2.6.24-17 [19:33] It's just a hardy with a few updates that break everything. [19:33] yeah that's about it [19:33] =) hah yes the common [19:34] the usual [19:35] would the separate /home partition be a "default" on Ibex? [19:36] no. for we are not suse. [19:36] :P [19:37] it's a good idea, but still only a recommandation, so put it into the auto partition thingy. [19:37] but i agree there should be more options for installing. like it shouldnt just be default, lvm (which takes you to another default only option), and custom. [19:37] this maybe https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/install-overwrite [19:38] ubiquity should be smart enough to realize it's a reinstall and try to preserve as much as possible [19:39] pretty much as it tries to get docs and prefs from Windows install [19:39] and fails D: [19:40] it even copied my froggie user-icon from Windows successfully [19:40] ^indeed [19:40] so is there a list yet of what might be in ibex? [19:41] we at least still need a 8.04.1.. so many little problems. [19:42] im going back to offtopic. can't have two conversations about the same thing. ;) [19:43] I proposed the blueprint for UDS [19:44] is that OK/acceptable? [19:46] probably this one is better or at leas includes a use case https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/home-partition-integration-with-installer [19:52] !blueprint === hydrogen is now known as Idrogeno === Idrogeno is now known as Hydrogen [20:40] where can I d/l 8.10? [20:40] as an iso [20:40] (is it even possible)? [20:45] you don't want to do that, probably [20:45] omgomg is there a typo in the topic? :O [20:47] hotmonkeyluv: there is no iso's [20:48] not untill alpha 1 anyway [20:48] plus its not a good idea anyway atm [20:48] I know [20:49] but I have a computer sitting around that uses scsi, and nothing I've tried (besides xp, but we all know how we feel about that) works. [20:49] well if u must [20:50] get hardy and replace hardy with intrepid in your source.list file [20:50] then update [20:54] but the problem with that is that I can't install ubuntu to my scsi machine [20:54] so I can't do all that cool configing stuff [20:55] hotmonkeyluv: #ubuntu might be a better place to try to get help installing Hardy [20:56] yeah, I suppose [20:56] I just wanted to try to install the newest and shakiest stuff [20:58] hotmonkeyluv: heh, Intrepid is *really* shaky [20:58] lol [20:58] as in nothing works :D [20:58] hrm, well... that sucks [20:59] hehe, its fun if you like trying to fix things though [20:59] yup, that's me [21:23] Hmmm, so the next release is gonna be called Interpid? [21:23] thats what the topic says [21:24] hmm, weird [21:24] I mean, the latest releases' names were like -y [21:24] like, hardy, gutsy, feisty etc... =] [21:34] intrepid [21:34] all adjectives - noone cares bout -y [21:36] interesting observation [23:12] anyone know at what time the syncs happen at ? === BunnyRevolution is now known as Polly === Polly is now known as BunnyRevolution