| sven_ | hello, world! | 02:34 |
|---|---|---|
| sven_ | (thought it was appropriate) | 02:34 |
| tritium | sven_: see /topic | 02:35 |
| sven_ | tritium: thanks, on my way to motu | 02:36 |
| * calc sees interesting rumors of nvidia releasing docs/open source driver | 02:52 | |
| * calc thinks hell will freeze over before that happens | 02:52 | |
| * calc has seen nvidia's 'attempts' before ~ 10 years ago | 02:53 | |
| johanbr | calc: Well, the situation is a bit different now, with the competition already having open specs/drivers. | 03:00 |
| wgrant | Nouveau is doing an excellent job even without Nvidia's help. | 03:04 |
| johanbr | Yes, but a reverse-engineered driver will always be playing catchup. | 03:05 |
| wgrant | This is true. | 03:06 |
| calc | johanbr: yea | 03:06 |
| calc | johanbr: from what i recall at the time there were open drivers for the competition as well, ati has an on again off again open source strategy | 03:07 |
| calc | it looks like now that amd owns them they may stay foss friendly | 03:07 |
| calc | and amd's help appears to have convinced intel to release documentation along with their drivers :) | 03:08 |
| wgrant | Is there anyone else around other than NVIDIA, ATI and Intel? | 03:11 |
| calc | Via, but not really | 03:11 |
| Nafallo | sis? | 03:12 |
| calc | they claimed to be going foss but phoronix had an interesting article mentioning their foss efforts appear to be binary only drivers | 03:12 |
| wgrant | Hahhah SiS. | 03:12 |
| calc | SiS is what ~ < 0.01% of the market | 03:12 |
| * jdong hugs Nafallo | 03:12 | |
| jdong | that was the cheer-up I needed for the long day I've had | 03:13 |
| Nafallo | :-) | 03:13 |
| calc | SiS has always existed but I have only seen one time | 03:13 |
| jdong | calc: the last time I saw them it didn't leave a good impression :) | 03:13 |
| wgrant | I've got one SiS chipset here. | 03:13 |
| Nafallo | ooh | 03:13 |
| Nafallo | I know another one... | 03:13 |
| wgrant | For some reason, Compiz decides it's OK to start on it. | 03:13 |
| Nafallo | it's m something :-) | 03:13 |
| calc | and aiui SiS binary drivers suck so hard it probably wouldn't help to have docs | 03:13 |
| wgrant | It works sort of. | 03:13 |
| Nafallo | matrox | 03:13 |
| wgrant | Hah. | 03:13 |
| Nafallo | I think | 03:13 |
| calc | i have seen bug reports about SiS can't even do regular 2D right | 03:14 |
| wgrant | calc: That's right. | 03:14 |
| calc | matrox is all but dead in the market, they have very specific area that they still sell into | 03:15 |
| wgrant | What's that? CAD workstations? | 03:15 |
| jdong | doom95 gamers. | 03:16 |
| calc | wgrant: airports apparently | 03:17 |
| calc | wgrant: and financial large number of screens type installs | 03:17 |
| calc | not much use for 3d, etc | 03:17 |
| wgrant | Ah. | 03:17 |
| wgrant | I thought they were for 3D stuff. | 03:17 |
| wgrant | A rather niche market, anyway. | 03:17 |
| calc | the last time (i know of) that matrox was foss friendly was ~ 1998-2000 timeframe | 03:18 |
| calc | back when their video cards were still relevant on the desktop | 03:18 |
| calc | some of the first 3d support under linux was for the matrox g200 | 03:19 |
| calc | looks like they do quad head on one slot without fan | 03:20 |
| Nafallo | they are still good for multiscreen setup indeed :-) | 03:20 |
| calc | yea | 03:20 |
| Nafallo | which I could have a fun setup like that ;-) | 03:21 |
| calc | there is also that company XGI | 03:23 |
| calc | never seen anything from them though | 03:23 |
| calc | doesn't look like they are sold by many companies either | 03:24 |
| calc | hmm finally 10GbE over regular copper | 03:36 |
| Nafallo | has been around for a while :-) | 03:36 |
| calc | Nafallo: not over copper | 03:37 |
| Nafallo | yes it have :-) | 03:38 |
| calc | eh? | 03:38 |
| * calc looks it up | 03:38 | |
| Nafallo | several months | 03:38 |
| calc | says the standard was released in 2006 and intel announced their card on thu (afaict) | 03:39 |
| calc | but maybe someone else released cards before that, dunno | 03:40 |
| Nafallo | connectix have sold 10GbE solutions for some time :-) | 03:40 |
| calc | the only connectix i can find info about is the one that wrote the mac software | 03:41 |
| calc | but yes there was 10GbE for a long time, but over fiber, since at least 2002 | 03:42 |
| Nafallo | http://www.connectix.co.uk/ | 03:42 |
| Nafallo | :-) | 03:42 |
| calc | ok | 03:44 |
| calc | of course desktops are barely able to saturate regular GbE currently | 03:46 |
| Nafallo | very true | 03:47 |
| protonchris | Anybody had any luck getting a intrepid pbuilder chroot going? | 03:49 |
| Nafallo | calc: hehe. they've started to think about 40GbE and 100GbE now :-) | 03:50 |
| jdong | protonchris: yeah I've got one already | 03:54 |
| jdong | you need to use intrepid's debootstrap but otherwise it was a simple matter | 03:55 |
| protonchris | Ok. I thought that the debootstrap for intrepid was backported to hardy. | 03:55 |
| jdong | not yet that I know of | 03:55 |
| jdong | oh nvm it's there now | 03:55 |
| jdong | wasn't there last night yet | 03:56 |
| protonchris | It doesn't work for me. Dies when "Installing core packages" | 03:57 |
| protonchris | It runs into trouble with libc6_2.7-10ubuntu3_i386.deb | 03:59 |
| wgrant | It's due to a missing dep in debconf, AFAICT. | 04:05 |
| protonchris | ok | 04:08 |
| illSleepWheniDie | hi all | 04:13 |
| illSleepWheniDie | can all the indians here say Here! | 04:14 |
| Hobbsee | stgraber: your blog is broken. | 06:16 |
| Hobbsee | stgraber: Fatal error: Call to undefined function drupal_submit_form() in /data/www/stgraber.org/www/modules/akismet/akismet.module on line 707 | 06:17 |
| wgrant | Hobbsee: It *is* PHP... | 06:18 |
| Hobbsee | wgrant: this is true | 06:18 |
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| stgraber | Hobbsee: akismet was broken, I disabled it for now. | 09:56 |
| qense | is there an ALSA developer online? Or maintainer :) | 10:24 |
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| fursund | Hello... In the early alpha-betas of hardy, there was this nifty mount archive - right click in nautilus - tool, do you know where I can download and install that? | 12:13 |
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| qense | Is there an ALSA maintainer online? | 12:23 |
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| Hobbsee | stdin: ah, cool | 13:28 |
| alex-weej | kernel doesn't boot on a mate's laptop | 13:40 |
| alex-weej | i noticed -17 came out recently | 13:40 |
| alex-weej | any way to test it with a disc image? do we still make daily cd's after release? | 13:40 |
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| _MMA_ | qense: crimsun will kinda be the guy to talk to. But since it's Sunday I would try back tomorrow. Or at *least* later today. (4 hours or so). | 14:13 |
| qense | what package is responsible for managing /proc/acpi/fan? | 15:06 |
| Hobbsee | qense: check with dpkg -S ? | 15:06 |
| qense | I thought /proc didn't contain files | 15:07 |
| stdin | the kernel manages all files in /proc | 15:08 |
| qense | ok | 15:08 |
| qense | I'm triaging a bug wher fan support disapeared in hardy | 15:08 |
| qense | everyting was alright in hardy | 15:09 |
| qense | do you think it's a 2.6.24 issue? | 15:09 |
| qense | it's filed again acpi-support | 15:09 |
| qense | the bug number might help you help me. ;) bug 226422 | 15:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 226422 in acpi-support "Laptop gets very hot" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/226422 | 15:11 |
| johanbr | qense: Yes, that's a kernel issue. | 15:38 |
| qense | ok thx I've already changed the package to linux | 15:38 |
| johanbr | Is frequency scaling working? | 15:40 |
| qense | I haven't asked him yet | 15:41 |
| qense | I'll do | 15:41 |
| alex-weej | when i plug a DVI cable into my notebook, nothing happens. is something supposed to happen or are we not quite there yet? | 15:41 |
| qense | he says the fan is running all time | 15:41 |
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| hwilde | Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods | 17:03 |
| hwilde | Driver 'sr' needs updating - please use bus_type methods | 17:04 |
| hwilde | bootup looks good until those errors | 17:04 |
| qense | does it actually start or holds it at that point? | 17:05 |
| hwilde | hodls | 17:05 |
| hwilde | holds | 17:05 |
| hwilde | strange part is there is no sd device | 17:06 |
| hwilde | I don't even know why it's loading that | 17:06 |
| qense | weird | 17:07 |
| hwilde | http://pastebin.com/m31bc6bcd lines 49 & 59 | 17:08 |
| hwilde | then is just says sda: | 17:08 |
| hwilde | and sits there | 17:08 |
| Chipzz | hwilde: errr, you DO know that sd has NOTHING to do with SD cards, do you? | 17:08 |
| qense | does /var/log/boot contain anything? | 17:09 |
| hwilde | Chipzz, I dunno it's right in line with it looking for sda in the boot messages. check my pastebin | 17:09 |
| hwilde | qense, I dunno it doesn't boot up for me to check the log | 17:09 |
| qense | can you access the harddisk at another way? | 17:10 |
| Chipzz | hwilde: no interest. just mentioning because you may be seriously mistaken | 17:10 |
| Chipzz | sd is a scsi driver | 17:10 |
| Chipzz | which in recent (for some value of recent) has started to be used by IDE too | 17:11 |
| hwilde | strange I don't have scsi either | 17:11 |
| Chipzz | + kernels | 17:11 |
| hwilde | oh it does load scsi for the cdrom | 17:11 |
| hwilde | hmm it's a hard lockup, ctrl+alt+del doesn't even respond | 17:11 |
| Chipzz | not only that | 17:11 |
| hwilde | brb | 17:11 |
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| Chipzz | hwilde: it should also be mentioned that this channel is not for bug-reports. And since this is a kernel bug, that's one more reason not to ask here | 17:12 |
| Chipzz | you should, at the very least, ask in #ubuntu-kernel instead of here | 17:13 |
| hwilde | well... I wan't intending to submit a bug report | 17:13 |
| hwilde | and if it says a driver needs updated, that sounds like development | 17:13 |
| hwilde | but thanks for pointing me in the right direction | 17:13 |
| Chipzz | it isn't | 17:13 |
| Chipzz | but people should be able to help you in #ubuntu-kernel | 17:14 |
| Chipzz | if you follow that reasoning, just about everything is "development" ;) | 17:14 |
| hwilde | sure but that same logic could be used to say that everything is a kernel issue | 17:15 |
| Chipzz | no :) | 17:15 |
| Chipzz | it can't :) | 17:15 |
| Chipzz | if I write a python program with a bug in it, how is that a kernel bug? :) | 17:16 |
| Chipzz | anyway | 17:16 |
| hwilde | oh right this isn't gentoo | 17:16 |
| Chipzz | make sure to check the bugtracker for similar bugs first | 17:16 |
| Chipzz | chances are someone else already reported it | 17:16 |
| Chipzz | oh and one more thing | 17:16 |
| Chipzz | It's currently weekend. Chances are you will not receive much response on #ubuntu-kernel today | 17:17 |
| * hwilde stares at Chipzz | 17:17 | |
| Chipzz | yes? | 17:17 |
| hwilde | you have been most helpful sir | 17:17 |
| hwilde | thank you for the encouragement | 17:17 |
| Chipzz | just stating some facts :P | 17:18 |
| Chipzz | ubuntu developers like to have the weekend off too ;) | 17:18 |
| hwilde | that's why the irc god invented /away mode | 17:18 |
| Chipzz | and no need for "sir" ;P | 17:18 |
| hwilde | sir yes sir, thank you for correcting my salutations! | 17:19 |
| hwilde | hehe | 17:19 |
| Chipzz | hwilde: there's also a reason god/irc invented topics. Yet people seem to ignore them on a constant basis :P | 17:19 |
| Chipzz | (that was meant as a general comment, not aimed at you ;)) | 17:20 |
| Chipzz | anyway, good luck with your bug! | 17:21 |
| hwilde | actually it finally dropped to busybox | 17:22 |
| hwilde | says /dev/hda1 does not exist | 17:22 |
| hwilde | so I think it's just coming up under a different name | 17:22 |
| Chipzz | hwilde: hrrrm, it should be using UUID's instead of device names | 17:24 |
| hwilde | yeah I am trying to make an image that can be cloned to multiple of the same devices | 17:24 |
| Chipzz | ouch | 17:25 |
| Chipzz | in that case, I suggest you kinda keep a close eye on ubuntu development | 17:25 |
| hwilde | I never could figure out why they use UUIDs | 17:25 |
| Chipzz | exactly for this reason :) | 17:25 |
| Chipzz | when the kernel changed from using ie hda to sda, it wouldn't have mattered | 17:25 |
| mjg59 | hwilde: Because device node names aren't stable | 17:26 |
| qense | what; s the difference between hda and sda> | 17:26 |
| Chipzz | qense: the way the kernel sees the device | 17:26 |
| Chipzz | hda is an ide device | 17:26 |
| Chipzz | sda is a scsi device | 17:26 |
| qense | ah | 17:26 |
| hwilde | well, how would you make /boot/grub/menu.lst and /etc/fstab work on multiple different devices? the UUIDs are different but /dev/hda1 used to work. now it's apparently /dev/sda1 | 17:26 |
| Chipzz | or an ide device using scsi emulation | 17:26 |
| hwilde | but I didn't change it so now the ide is using scsi deriver | 17:26 |
| Chipzz | hwilde: well in your case I would make sure to read the release notes between upgrades, if you want to stick with hda/sda instead of UUIDs | 17:27 |
| Chipzz | basically, doing that is unsupported, and if you want to do it, you need to take care of it yourself ;) | 17:28 |
| ogra | (and no, thats not ubuntu specific, its an pstream kernel change ) | 17:29 |
| ogra | *upstream | 17:29 |
| Chipzz | btw, unsupported does not mean it won't work. it does mean however, that if it breaks, you get to keep both pieces ;) | 17:30 |
| ogra | :) | 17:30 |
| ogra | > I killed Google and the | 17:32 |
| ogra | > Internet stopped being busy. | 17:32 |
| * ogra grins about ubuntu-users | 17:33 | |
| qense | why? | 17:33 |
| ogra | see the quote i pasted :) | 17:34 |
| qense | well, I think it would make internet even more busy! everyone would have to ask the same question over and over agin | 17:35 |
| qense | :d | 17:35 |
| ogra | heh, indeed | 17:35 |
| qense | #ubuntu would be blown away | 17:36 |
| hwilde | you should have seen it when ubottu wasnt there :/ | 17:37 |
| qense | at peeks #ubuntu is already terrible | 17:39 |
| hwilde | depends on how you look at it I guess | 17:41 |
| hwilde | we could have no users and no interest... then the channel would be quiet | 17:42 |
| qense | true | 17:42 |
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| jeromeg | jdong: hello | 18:25 |
| jeromeg | do you have a few seconds ? | 18:26 |
| ogra | hwilde, hey i totally forgot how much fun #ubuntu can be ... thanks for reminding (sadly working for canonical doesnt often leave time for that though) | 18:38 |
| cjwatson | protonchris: the intrepid bootstrapping problem is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=479202; I'm inclined to leave it for a while on the assumption that it'll get fixed in Debian soon and we can just sync it, since intrepid isn't really expected to work at the moment | 19:31 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 479202 in perl-base "fields tries to use Hash::Util" [Unknown,Open] | 19:31 |
| protonchris | cjwatson: Thanks for the info. Syncing it sounds like a good idea to me. | 19:36 |
| cjwatson | once it's fixed in Debian, that'll happen automatically | 19:36 |
| kees | hm, can someone give-back glib2.0 (2.16.3-2) for i386? I can't reproduce the test failure, so I'm hoping it a timing bug | 19:57 |
| kees | https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/2.16.3-2 | 19:57 |
| emgent | heya | 20:41 |
| bigon | I'm trying to create an intrepid chroot and I get http://paste.debian.net/2194/ should I report that? | 21:08 |
| pitti | kees: kicked | 21:24 |
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| cjwatson | bigon: intrepid *will* break semi-randomly for some time | 22:07 |
| cjwatson | bigon: but in any case that's http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=479202 | 22:08 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 479202 in perl-base "fields tries to use Hash::Util" [Unknown,Open] | 22:08 |
| cjwatson | bigon: for now, either (a) don't be in a rush to create an intrepid chroot :-) or (b) create a hardy chroot and upgrade it | 22:08 |
| Kopfgeldjaeger | n8 | 22:17 |
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| TheMuso | crimsun: Note that the sample cachign thing is an esound thing, not a sound card thing. | 23:47 |
| crimsun | TheMuso: yes, but there's nothing that would have changed in PA or ESD to issue it. | 23:47 |
| TheMuso | True. | 23:47 |
| ogra | OMG | 23:59 |
| ogra | transmission is surely the worst crap i have ever seen | 23:59 |
| LaserJock | uh oh | 23:59 |
| ogra | it just deleted about 1G of music i downloaded over the last months | 23:59 |
| LaserJock | ouch | 23:59 |
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