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sven_hello, world!02:34
sven_(thought it was appropriate)02:34
tritiumsven_: see /topic02:35
sven_tritium: thanks, on my way to motu02:36
* calc sees interesting rumors of nvidia releasing docs/open source driver02:52
* calc thinks hell will freeze over before that happens02:52
* calc has seen nvidia's 'attempts' before ~ 10 years ago02:53
johanbrcalc: Well, the situation is a bit different now, with the competition already having open specs/drivers.03:00
wgrantNouveau is doing an excellent job even without Nvidia's help.03:04
johanbrYes, but a reverse-engineered driver will always be playing catchup.03:05
wgrantThis is true.03:06
calcjohanbr: yea03:06
calcjohanbr: from what i recall at the time there were open drivers for the competition as well, ati has an on again off again open source strategy03:07
calcit looks like now that amd owns them they may stay foss friendly03:07
calcand amd's help appears to have convinced intel to release documentation along with their drivers :)03:08
wgrantIs there anyone else around other than NVIDIA, ATI and Intel?03:11
calcVia, but not really03:11
Nafallosis?03:12
calcthey claimed to be going foss but phoronix had an interesting article mentioning their foss efforts appear to be binary only drivers03:12
wgrantHahhah SiS.03:12
calcSiS is what ~ < 0.01% of the market03:12
* jdong hugs Nafallo 03:12
jdongthat was the cheer-up I needed for the long day I've had03:13
Nafallo:-)03:13
calcSiS has always existed but I have only seen one time03:13
jdongcalc: the last time I saw them it didn't leave a good impression :)03:13
wgrantI've got one SiS chipset here.03:13
Nafalloooh03:13
NafalloI know another one...03:13
wgrantFor some reason, Compiz decides it's OK to start on it.03:13
Nafalloit's m something :-)03:13
calcand aiui SiS binary drivers suck so hard it probably wouldn't help to have docs03:13
wgrantIt works sort of.03:13
Nafallomatrox03:13
wgrantHah.03:13
NafalloI think03:13
calci have seen bug reports about SiS can't even do regular 2D right03:14
wgrantcalc: That's right.03:14
calcmatrox is all but dead in the market, they have very specific area that they still sell into03:15
wgrantWhat's that? CAD workstations?03:15
jdongdoom95 gamers.03:16
calcwgrant: airports apparently03:17
calcwgrant: and financial large number of screens type installs03:17
calcnot much use for 3d, etc03:17
wgrantAh.03:17
wgrantI thought they were for 3D stuff.03:17
wgrantA rather niche market, anyway.03:17
calcthe last time (i know of) that matrox was foss friendly was ~ 1998-2000 timeframe03:18
calcback when their video cards were still relevant on the desktop03:18
calcsome of the first 3d support under linux was for the matrox g20003:19
calclooks like they do quad head on one slot without fan03:20
Nafallothey are still good for multiscreen setup indeed :-)03:20
calcyea03:20
Nafallowhich I could have a fun setup like that ;-)03:21
calcthere is also that company XGI03:23
calcnever seen anything from them though03:23
calcdoesn't look like they are sold by many companies either03:24
calchmm finally 10GbE over regular copper03:36
Nafallohas been around for a while :-)03:36
calcNafallo: not over copper03:37
Nafalloyes it have :-)03:38
calceh?03:38
* calc looks it up03:38
Nafalloseveral months03:38
calcsays the standard was released in 2006 and intel announced their card on thu (afaict)03:39
calcbut maybe someone else released cards before that, dunno03:40
Nafalloconnectix have sold 10GbE solutions for some time :-)03:40
calcthe only connectix i can find info about is the one that wrote the mac software03:41
calcbut yes there was 10GbE for a long time, but over fiber, since at least 200203:42
Nafallohttp://www.connectix.co.uk/03:42
Nafallo:-)03:42
calcok03:44
calcof course desktops are barely able to saturate regular GbE currently03:46
Nafallovery true03:47
protonchrisAnybody had any luck getting a intrepid pbuilder chroot going?03:49
Nafallocalc: hehe. they've started to think about 40GbE and 100GbE now :-)03:50
jdongprotonchris: yeah I've got one already03:54
jdongyou need to use intrepid's debootstrap but otherwise it was a simple matter03:55
protonchrisOk.  I thought that the debootstrap for intrepid was backported to hardy.03:55
jdongnot yet that I know of03:55
jdongoh nvm it's there now03:55
jdongwasn't there last night yet03:56
protonchrisIt doesn't work for me.  Dies when "Installing core packages"03:57
protonchrisIt runs into trouble with libc6_2.7-10ubuntu3_i386.deb03:59
wgrantIt's due to a missing dep in debconf, AFAICT.04:05
protonchrisok04:08
illSleepWheniDiehi all04:13
illSleepWheniDiecan all the indians here say Here!04:14
Hobbseestgraber: your blog is broken.06:16
Hobbseestgraber: Fatal error: Call to undefined function drupal_submit_form() in /data/www/stgraber.org/www/modules/akismet/akismet.module on line 70706:17
wgrantHobbsee: It *is* PHP...06:18
Hobbseewgrant: this is true06:18
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stgraberHobbsee: akismet was broken, I disabled it for now.09:56
qenseis there an ALSA developer online? Or maintainer :)10:24
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fursundHello... In the early alpha-betas of hardy, there was this nifty mount archive - right click in nautilus - tool, do you know where I can download and install that?12:13
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qenseIs there an ALSA maintainer online?12:23
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Hobbseestdin: ah, cool13:28
alex-weejkernel doesn't boot on a mate's laptop13:40
alex-weeji noticed -17 came out recently13:40
alex-weejany way to test it with a disc image? do we still make daily cd's after release?13:40
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_MMA_qense: crimsun will kinda be the guy to talk to. But since it's Sunday I would try back tomorrow. Or at *least* later today. (4 hours or so).14:13
qensewhat package is responsible for managing /proc/acpi/fan?15:06
Hobbseeqense: check with dpkg -S ?15:06
qenseI thought /proc didn't contain files15:07
stdinthe kernel manages all files in /proc15:08
qenseok15:08
qenseI'm triaging a bug wher fan support disapeared in hardy15:08
qenseeveryting was alright in hardy15:09
qensedo you think it's a 2.6.24 issue?15:09
qenseit's filed again acpi-support15:09
qensethe bug number might help you help me. ;) bug 22642215:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 226422 in acpi-support "Laptop gets very hot" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22642215:11
johanbrqense: Yes, that's a kernel issue.15:38
qenseok thx I've already changed the package to linux15:38
johanbrIs frequency scaling working?15:40
qenseI haven't asked him yet15:41
qenseI'll do15:41
alex-weejwhen i plug a DVI cable into my notebook, nothing happens. is something supposed to happen or are we not quite there yet?15:41
qensehe says the fan is running all time15:41
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hwildeDriver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods17:03
hwildeDriver 'sr' needs updating - please use bus_type methods17:04
hwildebootup looks good until those errors17:04
qensedoes it actually start or holds it at that point?17:05
hwildehodls17:05
hwildeholds17:05
hwildestrange part is there is no sd device17:06
hwildeI don't even know why it's loading that17:06
qenseweird17:07
hwildehttp://pastebin.com/m31bc6bcd   lines 49 & 5917:08
hwildethen is just says   sda:17:08
hwildeand sits there17:08
Chipzzhwilde: errr, you DO know that sd has NOTHING to do with SD cards, do you?17:08
qensedoes /var/log/boot contain anything?17:09
hwildeChipzz, I dunno it's right in line with it looking for sda in the boot messages.  check my pastebin17:09
hwildeqense, I dunno it doesn't boot up for me to check the log17:09
qensecan you access the harddisk at another way?17:10
Chipzzhwilde: no interest. just mentioning because you may be seriously mistaken17:10
Chipzzsd is a scsi driver17:10
Chipzzwhich in recent (for some value of recent) has started to be used by IDE too17:11
hwildestrange I don't have scsi either17:11
Chipzz+ kernels17:11
hwildeoh it does load scsi for the cdrom17:11
hwildehmm it's a hard lockup, ctrl+alt+del doesn't even respond17:11
Chipzznot only that17:11
hwildebrb17:11
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Chipzzhwilde: it should also be mentioned that this channel is not for bug-reports. And since this is a kernel bug, that's one more reason not to ask here17:12
Chipzzyou should, at the very least, ask in #ubuntu-kernel instead of here17:13
hwildewell... I wan't intending to submit a bug report17:13
hwildeand if it says a driver needs updated, that sounds like development17:13
hwildebut thanks for pointing me in the right direction17:13
Chipzzit isn't17:13
Chipzzbut people should be able to help you in #ubuntu-kernel17:14
Chipzzif you follow that reasoning, just about everything is "development" ;)17:14
hwildesure but that same logic could be used to say that everything is a kernel issue17:15
Chipzzno :)17:15
Chipzzit can't :)17:15
Chipzzif I write a python program with a bug in it, how is that a kernel bug? :)17:16
Chipzzanyway17:16
hwildeoh right this isn't gentoo17:16
Chipzzmake sure to check the bugtracker for similar bugs first17:16
Chipzzchances are someone else already reported it17:16
Chipzzoh and one more thing17:16
ChipzzIt's currently weekend. Chances are you will not receive much response on #ubuntu-kernel today17:17
* hwilde stares at Chipzz 17:17
Chipzzyes?17:17
hwildeyou have been most helpful sir17:17
hwildethank you for the encouragement17:17
Chipzzjust stating some facts :P17:18
Chipzzubuntu developers like to have the weekend off too ;)17:18
hwildethat's why the irc god invented /away mode17:18
Chipzzand no need for "sir" ;P17:18
hwildesir yes sir, thank you for correcting my salutations!17:19
hwildehehe17:19
Chipzzhwilde: there's also a reason god/irc invented topics. Yet people seem to ignore them on a constant basis :P17:19
Chipzz(that was meant as a general comment, not aimed at you ;))17:20
Chipzzanyway, good luck with your bug!17:21
hwildeactually it finally dropped to busybox17:22
hwildesays /dev/hda1 does not exist17:22
hwildeso I think it's just coming up under a different name17:22
Chipzzhwilde: hrrrm, it should be using UUID's instead of device names17:24
hwildeyeah I am trying to make an image that can be cloned to multiple of the same devices17:24
Chipzzouch17:25
Chipzzin that case, I suggest you kinda keep a close eye on ubuntu development17:25
hwildeI never could figure out why they use UUIDs17:25
Chipzzexactly for this reason :)17:25
Chipzzwhen the kernel changed from using ie hda to sda, it wouldn't have mattered17:25
mjg59hwilde: Because device node names aren't stable17:26
qensewhat; s the difference between hda and sda>17:26
Chipzzqense: the way the kernel sees the device17:26
Chipzzhda is an ide device17:26
Chipzzsda is a scsi device17:26
qenseah17:26
hwildewell, how would you make /boot/grub/menu.lst and /etc/fstab work on multiple different devices?   the UUIDs are different but /dev/hda1 used to work.  now it's apparently /dev/sda117:26
Chipzzor an ide device using scsi emulation17:26
hwildebut I didn't change it so now the ide is using scsi deriver17:26
Chipzzhwilde: well in your case I would make sure to read the release notes between upgrades, if you want to stick with hda/sda instead of UUIDs17:27
Chipzzbasically, doing that is unsupported, and if you want to do it, you need to take care of it yourself ;)17:28
ogra(and no, thats not ubuntu specific, its an pstream kernel change )17:29
ogra*upstream17:29
Chipzzbtw, unsupported does not mean it won't work. it does mean however, that if it breaks, you get to keep both pieces ;)17:30
ogra:)17:30
ogra> I killed Google and the17:32
ogra> Internet stopped being busy.17:32
* ogra grins about ubuntu-users17:33
qensewhy?17:33
ograsee the quote i pasted :)17:34
qensewell, I think it would make internet even more busy! everyone would have to ask the same question over and over agin17:35
qense:d17:35
ograheh, indeed17:35
qense#ubuntu would be blown away17:36
hwildeyou should have seen it when ubottu wasnt there :/17:37
qenseat peeks #ubuntu is already terrible17:39
hwildedepends on how you look at it I guess17:41
hwildewe could have no users and no interest... then the channel would be quiet17:42
qensetrue17:42
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jeromegjdong: hello18:25
jeromegdo you have a few seconds ?18:26
ograhwilde, hey i totally forgot how much fun #ubuntu can be ... thanks for reminding (sadly working for canonical doesnt often leave time for that though)18:38
cjwatsonprotonchris: the intrepid bootstrapping problem is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=479202; I'm inclined to leave it for a while on the assumption that it'll get fixed in Debian soon and we can just sync it, since intrepid isn't really expected to work at the moment19:31
ubottuDebian bug 479202 in perl-base "fields tries to use Hash::Util" [Unknown,Open]19:31
protonchriscjwatson: Thanks for the info.  Syncing it sounds like a good idea to me.19:36
cjwatsononce it's fixed in Debian, that'll happen automatically19:36
keeshm, can someone give-back glib2.0 (2.16.3-2) for i386?  I can't reproduce the test failure, so I'm hoping it a timing bug19:57
keeshttps://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/2.16.3-219:57
emgentheya20:41
bigonI'm trying to create an intrepid chroot and I get http://paste.debian.net/2194/ should I report that?21:08
pittikees: kicked21:24
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cjwatsonbigon: intrepid *will* break semi-randomly for some time22:07
cjwatsonbigon: but in any case that's http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=47920222:08
ubottuDebian bug 479202 in perl-base "fields tries to use Hash::Util" [Unknown,Open]22:08
cjwatsonbigon: for now, either (a) don't be in a rush to create an intrepid chroot :-) or (b) create a hardy chroot and upgrade it22:08
Kopfgeldjaegern822:17
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TheMusocrimsun: Note that the sample cachign thing is an esound thing, not a sound card thing.23:47
crimsunTheMuso: yes, but there's nothing that would have changed in PA or ESD to issue it.23:47
TheMusoTrue.23:47
ograOMG23:59
ogratransmission is surely the worst crap i have ever seen23:59
LaserJockuh oh23:59
ograit just deleted about 1G of music i downloaded over the last months23:59
LaserJockouch23:59

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