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platyhelminthI lost the sound few minutes ago, I dont understand why ( I use generic kernel ) Can you help me ?00:03
crimsunplatyhelminth: run the alsa-info.sh script from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems00:06
crimsunplatyhelminth: then, tell me the url00:06
platyhelminthcrimsun where is alsa-info.sh ?00:09
crimsunplatyhelminth: see the URL I just gave you00:10
platyhelminththis doesn't work00:11
platyhelminthI didn't see bash: alsa-info.sh was downloadable00:12
platyhelminthhttp://pastebin.com/m2e0e632500:17
platyhelminthcrimsun00:17
crimsunplatyhelminth: sec.00:18
crimsunplatyhelminth: well, the levels are either zeroed and/or muted.00:23
platyhelminthwhere to remove mute00:24
crimsunplatyhelminth: sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset00:24
platyhelminththank00:24
platyhelminth* Resetting ALSA...                                                     [ OK ]00:25
platyhelminthsound works00:25
platyhelminththank again00:26
crimsunnp00:26
platyhelminthBut now how canHow does levels can be zeroed or muted olone ?00:27
platyhelminthHow does levels can be zeroed or muted alone ?00:28
crimsunplatyhelminth: by using amixer with the appropriate element string.00:29
platyhelminthamixer ?00:31
crimsune.g., amixer set 'Master' unmute00:31
crimsunyou can also use alsamixer, kmix, aumix, etc.00:32
KindOneI just upgraded from 7.10 to 8.04, and now i can not see my other hard drive... can someone help ?02:06
Stroganoffis it listed in /etc/fstab02:09
Stroganoff?02:09
KindOneI dont have that folder02:10
Stroganoffthat is a file02:11
KindOnewhere should i paste the contents of that file ??02:12
Odd-rationale!paste02:12
ubottupastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)02:12
KindOnehttp://paste.ubuntu.com/9898/02:13
arkohi02:17
arkohow can I stop nm-applet asking for password?02:18
Stroganoffarko, add nm-applet or NetworkManager to the sudoers file..02:21
arkohmmm02:21
arkohow can i do that?02:21
StroganoffKindOne https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab02:22
Stroganoffarko https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sudoers02:22
KindOnesudo apt-get install nm-applet02:23
KindOnearko type that inthe terminal ^^^02:23
Stroganoffi dont think so :p02:24
KindOne-.- rofl didnt work02:25
cody-somervillearko, What password?02:31
cody-somervilleWhen does it ask you for a password and for what?02:31
cody-somervillearko, When you get back from being away, just say my full nickname to get my attention again.02:37
q_a_z_stevehey, can someone really quickly tell me the best way to use dd to backup /usr ? I need syntax using bzip, and noerror I think... HELP?02:39
cody-somervilleq_a_z_steve, Hello.02:41
cody-somervilleIs there any particular reason you need to use dd to do that backup?02:41
cody-somervilledd is nicknamed Data Destroyer :)02:44
q_a_z_stevebit for bit backup...02:44
cody-somervilleBut why not use tar?02:45
q_a_z_steveI suppose I can, but I need it to end up in bz202:46
Stroganoffdd if=/dev/hda1 bs=1k conv=sync,noerror | gzip.....02:46
Stroganoffdo you need bit for bit backup because of file corruption or what?02:47
q_a_z_stevelet's say yes.02:47
cody-somervilleq_a_z_steve, the safer command would be: tar -zcf usr_backup.tar.gz /usr02:48
cody-somervilleq_a_z_steve, ...02:48
q_a_z_steveStroganoff:  would you mind expanding that to the end02:48
cody-somervilleq_a_z_steve, Why don't *you* tell us what you're trying to accomplish exactly?02:48
Stroganoffadd j to the tar attributes to use bzip02:49
q_a_z_stevebit for bit backup of /usr and /home, which partitions have been zeroed out by dd if=/dev/zero of=/blah ...and... of=/home/blah02:51
cody-somervilleStroganoff, oops. :)02:51
Stroganoffdd if=/dev/hda1 bs=1k conv=sync,noerror | gzip -c > file.bz202:52
Stroganoffwheres hda1 is.....02:52
Stroganoffwhatever02:52
Stroganoffbtw i'm not 100% sure if this works :D02:52
Stroganoffyou can use partimage instead, FY02:53
StroganoffI02:53
q_a_z_steveStroganoff: not on /usr, partimage would backup the entire / partition02:54
Stroganoffdd backups the entire partition, too02:54
q_a_z_stevenot if=/usr that will only do that directory, and it's children02:54
Stroganoffk i wasnt sure if it also works like that02:55
Stroganoffwhether.02:55
q_a_z_stevewill gzip do bzip2 then, are you sure about that?02:55
Stroganoffoops no02:55
Stroganoffuse bzip2 -c > file.bz202:56
q_a_z_steveI can pipe to | tar -jzcf file.bz2 can't I? with '-' ?02:56
q_a_z_steveor better not?02:58
Stroganoffno tar does not read from standard input02:58
Stroganoffits no use anyway to tar ONE huge byte stream02:59
q_a_z_stevenext question: If I have used partimage split to backup another area, how do I check those files?03:16
q_a_z_stevebz2.000 and so on...03:21
q_a_z_steveStroganoff: ??03:22
Stroganoffunzip them?03:23
q_a_z_stevewith what gui app? well I first want to see the contents gui if at all possible03:24
q_a_z_steveStroganoff:03:27
Stroganoffdont know03:29
Stroganoffgo to #linux03:29
q_a_z_stevecody-somerville: can you help with that?03:29
cody-somervilleq_a_z_steve, What format is the file?03:29
q_a_z_stevecody-somerville: I have used partimage to bzip the partition03:31
cody-somervilleq_a_z_steve, There is a GUI tool03:33
cody-somervilleJust open it - should work.03:34
cody-somervilleWhat will probably happen is that it'll show just one file (the uncompressed ISO) and you can just open that file with the same program.03:34
q_a_z_steveark doesn't like even like these, I've tried archive-manager and 7zip...03:36
q_a_z_stevethis is when I pull up a piece.03:37
q_a_z_steveI assume your plan would work, if it would evaluate the whole file... 000 thru 00603:37
q_a_z_steveI'll be back later, but keep the suggestions coming03:38
cody-somervilleq_a_z_steve, file roller says it supports ISOs03:39
Stroganoffcody-somerville an ISO is something else03:56
cody-somervilleStroganoff, I thought partimage generates ISO files03:57
StroganoffISO is a file system03:57
Stroganoffits used for cd images03:58
Stroganoffpartimage creates images of your filesystem (i.e. ext3)03:58
q_a_z_stevecody-somerville: Stroganoff partimage would create ISO if I didn't have it BZIP04:46
cody-somervilleq_a_z_steve, right... so decompress it and you'll have the ISO, right?04:47
q_a_z_steveatleast a 10G iso, possibly, how do I decompress, without pumping partimage back onto a drive?04:48
q_a_z_steveseriously, I can't even start...04:48
arkoback04:49
arkohow can I activate system sounds in Xubuntu?04:50
cody-somervillearko, There are none.04:50
arkooh04:50
arkothat is sada04:50
arkosad04:50
cody-somervilleq_a_z_steve, What do you mean by "pumping partimage" back onto a drive?04:50
cody-somervillearko, Just make noises with your mouth when you click things ;p04:50
arkocody-somerville: nice idea04:51
arkothanx04:51
q_a_z_stevecody-somerville: nothing will open these files, so far that I've tried...04:52
q_a_z_steveas though I have to trust the partimage...04:52
* cody-somerville grins at arko :)04:53
cody-somervilleq_a_z_steve, What is the file name?04:54
q_a_z_stevewheels.bz2.000 , wheels.bz2.001 --- 006 "Wheels" is my computer name04:54
cody-somervilleAh!04:55
q_a_z_stevesplit bz2 file04:56
cody-somervilleq_a_z_steve, Did you use the fixed size option?04:58
q_a_z_steveyeah 2037MB04:58
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q_a_z_stevecody-somerville: ...05:04
cody-somervilleq_a_z_steve, I'm researching :P05:06
arkocody-somerville: my wife is asking which kind of wierd sounds I am shouting here.05:07
cody-somervillearko, Ah. That must be a bug. :P05:07
arkohahahaha05:07
cody-somerville:)05:08
Odd-rationalecouldn't you just install ubuntu-sounds ?05:10
cody-somervilleq_a_z_steve, the only solution I see is to md5sum check the before and after.05:10
cody-somervilleOdd-rationale, Those are for the gnome desktop.05:10
arkohttp://www.xfce-look.org >> System Sounds05:11
Odd-rationalecody-somerville: well, you could still use the .wav files. like in gdm. I like the drums... :)05:11
cody-somervilleYes.05:11
cody-somervilleThe only system sounds you'll get are the ones from gdm when logging in and what not.05:12
arkohow can I set these drums in gdm?05:14
arkofound05:15
cody-somervillearko, :)05:16
arkohmmm05:16
arkowhere are drums?05:16
Odd-rationalearko: look in /usr/share/sounds05:17
arkoit is not there05:17
Odd-rationalearko: no startup or login wav?05:18
arkonope05:18
Odd-rationaledid you install ubuntu-sounds?05:18
arkoonly alsa sounds (speaker-test) and a directory called purple.05:18
arkonot yet.05:19
arkoinstalling now05:19
Odd-rationaleok. the "african drum" login sounds are in that package...05:19
arkothanx05:19
arkodone... it is called "question".05:21
arkonite05:23
Odd-rationalebye105:23
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lemonhello. I cannot watch DVDs. What am I suppose to install in order to do that?07:53
mcisbackukHi all, I'm having a MAJOR problem installing Xubuntu on a 233MHz 64 MB RAM and 10GB HD old PC. I've got so far after 5 hours, but for the past 2-3 hours its been 'configuring language-pack-en-base' it's hung, although the hard drive is going.....any ideas??08:03
Wizardgood morning08:12
Wizardi have small question08:12
Wizardis there a way to install ubuntu as 'cli only' system?08:13
Wizardwhich mean as minimal as possible?08:13
Wizardj #ubuntu08:21
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pafnucyhello, system upgrade broke on me08:58
pafnucybasically, when I log in with gdm it stops at blank screen (xfce's desktop background colour) and a mouse pointer08:59
pafnucynow I am logged on a vt and started the session with startxfce409:00
Wizardpafnucy: patrzyłeś w log gdma?09:02
pafnucyWizard, http://pastebin.ca/100678109:04
Wizardnic tam nie ma :|09:04
Wizardspróbuj zrobić tak09:05
Wizardstwórz plik ~/.xsession09:05
Wizardw środku coś takiego:09:05
Wizard#!/bin/sh09:05
Wizardexec startxfce409:05
Wizardpotem zmień sesję w gdmie09:05
Wizardbtw, próbowałeś startować sesję failsafe albo coś podobnego?09:05
pafnucynie, zaraz sprobuje09:06
pafnucyzauwazylem tez, ze po wystartowaniu przez startxfce4 policykit jest dla mnie zupelnie niedostepne09:06
pafnucyzastanawiam sie czy to efekt czy moze przyczyna09:06
pafnucybrb09:06
pafnucyWizard, dzieki, dziala :) musialem wybrac Xclient jako domyslny skrypt startowy09:13
Wizardto jeszcze się dowiedz co się zjebało, że tamto nie działa09:14
Wizardpo mojemu dziwne, że tylko jedna sesja nie startuje09:14
pafnucyto naprawilo tez polkit - przypuszczam ze w Hardym to jakis wrapper script do odpalania srodowiska z uwzglednieniem polkita09:14
Wizardja tam nie wiem09:15
pafnucyna razie nie mam czasu zeby w tym mieszac, jeszcze raz dzieki za naprowadzenie na wlasciwa droge i znikam09:15
Wizardwczoraj wywalilem xubuntu09:15
Wizardnie ma sprawy09:15
holyguyver_could someone please help me, my sound works fine, but my micraphone doesn't work09:30
Abominus69Hello, I upgraded to 8.04 and now I cannot see my second hard drive.  It was working before.  Any suggestions please?10:16
ere4sidoes it show when you type   fdisk -l   in a terminal?10:18
Abominus69Yes it does.10:19
ere4siin the file /etc/fstab is it listed?10:20
Abominus69No it is not.10:21
ere4siso it is not set up to be mounted at boot - you can manually mount it10:22
Abominus69mount /dev/sdb1 /media/DATA10:24
Abominus69Would that do it?10:24
Abominus69Oh, wait, I need to add some file system stuff in there...10:25
mcisbackukHi all, I'm having a MAJOR problem installing Xubuntu on a 233MHz 64 MB RAM and 10GB HD old PC. I've got so far after 5 hours, but for the past 2-3 hours its been 'configuring language-pack-en-base' it's hung, although the hard drive is going.....any ideas??10:26
ere4siit would have to be sudo mount -t ext3-or-ntfs /dev/sdb1 /media/DATA10:27
Abominus69mark@Xubuntu:~$ sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb1 /media/DATA10:29
Abominus69mount: mount point /media/DATA does not exist10:29
ere4simcisbackuk: leave for ages - that really isn't enough memory - it will take forever but will happen10:29
ere4siAbominus69: sudo mkdir /media/DATA10:29
ere4sithen mount10:29
mcisbackukoh god i restarted it.....would i have any better luck with 6.10 maybe and then dist-upgrade to 8.04??10:32
Abominus69Getting there!  I've made a folder on my desktop.  How do I link it to /media/DATA ?10:33
Abominus69(If I go straight to /media/DATA I can access the drive)10:33
ere4siAbominus69: sudo ln -s /media/DATA ~/Desktop/foldername10:35
Abominus69Or can I just mount it straight to the folder on my desktop instead?10:35
ere4simcisbackuk: with 64mb memory I would recommend damn small linux or puppy - hardy uses that amount of memory just to paint the desktop10:36
mcisbackukoh dear...... lol10:36
ere4siAbominus69: you can mount it where you like :)10:36
mcisbackukdo both/either of them have web browser, or option to install, and do they have GUI, like gnom, kde etc?10:37
ere4simcisbackuk: they have everything - just are set up for low end comps10:38
ere4simcisbackuk: you can ask in #puppylinux10:38
mcisbackukere4si: Brilliant, cheers :)10:39
ere4simcisbackuk: and #dsl10:39
Abominus69How do I give permissions for user 'mark' to access the folder, so that I don't always have to enter the su password every time I want to do something with the drive?10:41
Abominus69chown mark /home/mark/Desktop/DATA    ?10:43
ere4siI would try  sudo chown -Rv mark:mark /media/DATA ( or whereever you mounted it)10:43
Abominus69Holy outrageousness, I just wrote to the drive.  Thanks very much.  Now the tricky part, fstab to make it do this on boot.  My attempt:10:50
Abominus69/dev/sdb1 /home/mark/Desktop/DATA ext3 defaults 0 0    ?10:50
ere4silooks good10:51
Abominus69Okay, will attempt a reload.  Thanks for your help so far.10:55
ere4sigood luck10:56
Abominus69ere4si just wanted to come back on to say thank you very much for your help.  Everything is working now, and I'm very happy.  Cheers!11:00
ere4siwell done Abominus6911:00
Abominus69On the contrary, well done to you.11:01
ere4si:)11:01
Elroodhi folks. i'm having some trouble setting the display resolution here after the upgrade to hardy. is there anyone who could help?11:37
PsynoKhi0hi, I'm trying to recover grub using hardy's alternate cd, according to the instrcutions at the bottom of the page there: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows11:46
blacklabelsk8 hello, I'm having trouble getting xorg properly configured on a Voodoo3 2000, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg goes through some reconfiguration but never mentions any resolution or colour depths, and looking at /etc/X11/xorg.conf shows a pretty empty file, nothing really detailed, what am I doing wrong?11:47
Elroodsimilar problem here11:48
PsynoKhi0when I get the option to choose install grub I only get more error messages, and the instructions using the prompt just feel way outdated11:48
blacklabelsk8oh yah Elrood?11:49
Elroodyup, black11:49
blacklabelsk8at least I'm not alone, have you learned anything about it?11:49
blacklabelsk8are you working with a voodoo as well?11:50
Elroodnot really, that's why i'm here. sorry. nope, no voodoo magick ;) got problems changing the resolution11:50
PsynoKhi0I edited my xorg.conf manually and entered the corresponding lines myself, but there are probably other ways11:51
blacklabelsk8hmm11:52
blacklabelsk8frustration11:52
blacklabelsk8really I just wanted to see if I could get compiz running under a voodoo3..11:54
ElroodPsynoKhi0: SubSection "Display" ?11:55
PsynoKhi0blacklabelsk8: from what I've read you can't11:55
blacklabelsk8I've read different, wish there was some official source11:56
PsynoKhi0compositing effects in Xfce work, that I know11:56
PsynoKhi0Elrood: can't remember, looks like Xubuntu's alternate CD mistook the "Keep" option during HDD partitioning as "mess up every f*cking file on the root partition"11:57
blacklabelsk8think you could pastebin your xorg.conf PsynoKhi0 ?11:58
blacklabelsk8I've got to at least get this to 1024x768, this 800x600 is unusable11:58
ElroodPsynoKhi0: it's a fresh installation here11:58
PsynoKhi0what I mean is that that retarded installation might have wiped my X11 folder11:59
PsynoKhi0so no xorg.conf left here11:59
blacklabelsk8I used this same disc on a system with a geforce2 and had no probs with compiz or xorg for that matter12:00
* blacklabelsk8 boggles12:00
PsynoKhi0geforce2 qnd voodoo3 aren't the same hardware generation though :)12:00
blacklabelsk8well yeah hehe12:01
blacklabelsk8I dunno whats up though, xorg should be able to do more than this.12:01
PsynoKhi0http://pastebin.com/m6efd4fed highlighted the lines you might be interested in12:06
PsynoKhi0the HorizSync and VertRefresh should match your screens' specs though12:07
Elroodthanks, ya, that does look pretty much like the settings i just entered here12:07
PsynoKhi0I setup my VertRefresh at 75 max as you see, cause I use iceWM as my default12:08
PsynoKhi0and I dunno how to change refresh rate on the fly in it12:09
Elroodno refresh rates here, but i manually entered the display subsection.. works :)12:10
Elroodnot exactly optimal or comfortable for a newb, but at least it does the trick12:10
PsynoKhi0cool12:12
Elrood:)12:12
PsynoKhi0:)12:12
Elroodno idea why this isn't possible via some easier to find autoconfig routine or gui, though12:13
PsynoKhi0I'm sure you can12:14
PsynoKhi0X -config I think but I get weird messages when I try, haven't bothered looking into it though12:15
Elroodat least i couldn't find it, and that usually isn't a good sign :)  um.. btw, why do you use icewm?12:15
Elroodwould you recommend it? anything that might make someone try it as an alternative to xfce? or just personal preference cause you're more used to it or sth?12:18
PsynoKhi0this comp has loads of probs with hardy12:18
PsynoKhi0I saw a sizeable decrease in performance in Xfce upgrading from gutsy12:18
Elroodmhm.. so you'd say it would be worth a try for a really dated machine?12:20
PsynoKhi0iceWM is minimalistic, if if you like that and you don't mind having to configure your desktop through text files, you ccan give it a try12:20
PsynoKhi0Elrood: definitely12:20
Elroodthanks, i'll have a look then12:20
PsynoKhi0it's in synaptic12:21
PsynoKhi0you can d/l the iceme package too if you want, it's a small utility to edit menus and stuff in iceWM12:22
Elroodmerci, i'm at it12:23
PsynoKhi0"merci"?12:23
Elroodthank you, french12:24
PsynoKhi0oh12:24
PsynoKhi0any luck blacklabelsk8?12:29
blacklabelsk8not really, I got to a slightly different configuration window from within xfce after rebooting after putting in changes to xorg.conf manually,  still looked like it was running at 800x600, though the font was different12:31
PsynoKhi0can you choose any other resolution in the display settings?12:32
blacklabelsk8I think you're right though, hardy is maybe not so great for older hw12:32
blacklabelsk8just down from 800x60012:33
Elroodyou edited your xorg.conf to include a 1024x768 setting?12:33
blacklabelsk8yeah12:33
Elroodand your display settings gui shows 640x480 800x600 and a default?12:34
blacklabelsk8correct12:34
Elroodwhich one's selected, default?12:34
blacklabelsk8yeah12:35
Elroodwhat do you get if you call 'sudo displayconfig-gtk' in a terminal?12:35
Elrooddoes it list a 1024x768 resolution?12:36
blacklabelsk8this is the screen I got after I manually changed xorg.conf and rebooted, it said some old blah blah about how it couldnt start x properly12:36
blacklabelsk8no 800x600 and lower12:37
Elroodhm, that's strange.. you didn't forget to log out and in again after editing your xorg.conf, did you?12:37
Elroodif you did, that might be something to try12:38
blacklabelsk8I restarted x with ctrl+alt+bksp?12:38
blacklabelsk8I dunno if thats the same thing?12:38
Elroodnot entirely sure myself. if in doubt, just log out and in to make sure12:38
Elroodif that resolution still isn't listed then i'm out of clues12:39
Elroodblacklabelsk8: any success?12:45
floatingis there any app isntalled by default on xubuntu for .ppt files ?12:46
blacklabelsk8bleh none, its like its not even looking at xorg.conf12:46
Elroodthat would be a powerpoint presentation, if i'm not mistaken. openoffice should be able to handle those. not sure if it's installed by default, though12:46
floatingnot installed i think12:47
Elroodblacklabelsk8: could you post your xorg.conf, just for comparison?12:47
floatingblah do i really have to install open office ? :/12:47
blacklabelsk8sure12:47
Elroodfloating: if you want to do some serious work with your machine you won't regret it ;)  don't know if any other app is able to handle those files12:48
blacklabelsk8http://pastebin.ca/100687412:49
Elroodfloating: have a look at http://icosahedron.wordpress.com/2007/10/05/viewing-powerpoint-on-linux/12:50
blacklabelsk8its all those "configured blah blah device" entries that freak me out12:50
blacklabelsk8I've never seen that in an xorg.conf12:50
Elroodblacklabelsk8: this is mine http://pastebin.ca/100687512:53
Elroodafaik the monitor id and the monitor listed in your screen section should be the same. don't know if that'd make a difference here, with no special settings12:54
blacklabelsk8they look pretty much the same12:56
Elroodapart from that, you might want to try to set a device via 'sudo displayconfig-gtk'12:56
blacklabelsk8well see there it says "Voodoo3 tdfx" so thats what it should be12:57
Elroodin the one you pasted it just says Configured Video Device, without any settings. but i'm really just guessing here, i'm not one of the linux gurus12:59
floatingelrood yeu thx this tonicpoint is nice13:00
Elroodfloating: np, google is your friend ;)13:00
blacklabelsk8hmm, might of gotten the monitor set right via displayconfig-gtk13:01
blacklabelsk8seems to have gotten stuck while testing the new res13:02
floatingi wonder how i could open a .ppt file directly with that.. hmm hmm, something like java tonicpoint.jar  and i can open that tonicpoint, but how can i open something with java and then with that that opens up, i open something like ppt13:02
floatingwonder if anyone got what i meant :P13:03
Elroodnot really *g13:03
floatingthat tonicpoint is simple .jar file and i have to open tonicpoint with java13:03
blacklabelsk8OOo would open it no prob, otherwise I'd say try the Microsoft Powerpoint viewer through Wine13:03
floatinghow can i open ppt with tonicpoint that has to be opened with java13:04
floatingtonicpoint.jar is not executable13:04
floatingit says13:04
Elroodjava -jar tonicpoint.jar ?13:04
blacklabelsk8haha, okay I changed the monitor from unknown to my model and logged out and logged in with the hopes of 1024x768 only to get a green flashing 'D' in the middle topleft of my screen :P13:05
Elroodyou know you can get to a console via ctrl-alt-f1, do you?13:06
blacklabelsk8wouldnt let me switch to any virtual terminal13:07
floatingElrood: what thta do ? i got some errors (unknown source) and stuff13:07
floatingi can open up tonicpoint.jar with java runtime in xfce, but if i want to open ppt directly :(13:07
floatingwould be nice trick to learn how13:08
blacklabelsk8wow :\  looks like the whole install is fried now13:08
Elroodfloating: sorry, can't really help there13:08
blacklabelsk8I rebooted and it seems to have gotten stuck trying to start x....no virtual terms, nothing displayed on the screen13:09
floatingokz, ill look around thx for the app^^13:09
Elroodnp, have fun and good luck13:09
Elroodhm.. you should always be a ble to get to a term, no matter how badly the settings for x got damaged. sorry, no clue, black13:12
blacklabelsk8hehe yeah, its got me, never seen a distro act like this, no matter what its been installed on13:12
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TheSheepblacklabelsk8: what graphics ard? intel? nvidia?13:13
blacklabelsk83dfx, voodoo313:13
TheSheepomg, that's old13:14
blacklabelsk8haha I suppose so13:14
TheSheepblacklabelsk8: wasn't it, like, an addition to a graphics card?13:14
* TheSheep has voodoo2 lying around somewhere13:15
* Elrood feels like black magic is creeping into the channel13:15
blacklabelsk8I'm not quite sure I understand what you mean, its a completely contained 2d/3d card13:15
TheSheepblacklabelsk8: it doesn't have a second video socket to connect a real video card?13:18
blacklabelsk8not that I'm aware of, it cant do SLI like Voodoo2's13:18
TheSheepI see, sorry, got em confused13:20
coldhakworkspaces are awesome, does vista have em?14:40
TheSheepno14:41
TheSheepnew osx is supposed to have them14:41
slow-motionhi15:10
PsynoKhi0has anyone tried to recover grub using the alternate Hardy cd?15:15
slow-motioni did not do something like it15:22
slow-motionwhere are the settings what atarter are in the bars?15:22
slow-motioni wanted to install alls new and delete the settings. but somehow they are still there15:23
TheSheepslow-motion: what's atarter?15:30
slow-motionstarter15:30
* TheSheep blinks15:30
TheSheepslow-motion: can you rephrase the sentence? I think I'm dumb today15:30
slow-motionwhere are the settings what starter are in the bars?15:30
slow-motioni wanted to install all new and delete the settings. but somehow they are still there15:31
TheSheepstarter in teh bars?15:31
TheSheepyou mean panel plugins?15:31
slow-motionyes15:31
TheSheep~/.config/xfce4/panel/15:32
slow-motioni deleted the .config folder15:32
PsynoKhi0TheSheep: are you sure?15:32
TheSheepPsynoKhi0: yes, there is a panels.xml file that lists the plugins and panel settings, and a bunch of .rc files that lists the settings of particular plugins15:33
PsynoKhi0there might be some stuff trailing in the .cache folder15:33
slow-motioni see them there. but i'm shure before the installation i deleted the whole .config folder15:33
TheSheepslow-motion: I think they are created from defaults when the directory doesn't exist15:34
TheSheepslow-motion: defaults are in /etc/xdg/xfce415:34
PsynoKhi0TheSheep: because just like slow-motion, I got rid of the .config folder before reinstalling xubuntu and the applets were exactly the same when I first logged in after that15:35
slow-motionor maybe xfce wrote them back while it was still running and so they are had been there while installation15:35
TheSheepPsynoKhi0: there is nothing about panels in the .cache15:36
TheSheepslow-motion: yes15:36
slow-motionok. then i have to leave xfce and delete them from a terminal the next time i dont want them15:37
TheSheepor kill the panel first15:37
slow-motioni will take a look at it another time. but thank you for your help15:39
slow-motionplaying the-mana-world at the moment *g*15:40
TheSheepslow-motion: seiken densetsu?15:42
slow-motionwhat?15:42
TheSheepslow-motion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seiken_Densetsu_315:43
TheSheepah, sorry15:43
slow-motionhttp://themanaworld.org/ < TheSheep15:44
TheSheepslow-motion: ah, it was a little empty last time I checked it...15:45
slow-motionit is still a little empty, but interesting15:46
TheSheepI only plaed ragnarok before, so it's pretty bleak in comparison15:47
TuxCrafterdoes anybody here have inconsistent fonts rendering in thunderbird compared to the complete rest of the gtk desktop environment?15:47
TuxCrafter( i know thunderbird is not a gtk app)15:48
TheSheepTuxCrafter: oh, hello, you got that display issue solved?15:48
TuxCrafteri was just wondering if i was the only one15:48
TheSheepTuxCrafter: if not, try dsabling TVOUT with xrandr15:49
TuxCrafterxrandr --output TV --off15:50
TuxCrafterwhy do you think the issue is with tvout15:50
TuxCrafterbtw it did not help15:50
TuxCrafterTheSheep: http://imagebin.ca/view/hwwsTfY.html15:54
TuxCrafteris there a bug report somewhere or do you not know?15:55
suriroTuxCrafter: is that TB installed from ubuntu repos?15:59
TuxCraftersuriro: jups16:00
surirotried with a different profile?16:00
surirothunderbird -ProfileManager16:00
TuxCraftersuriro: the same16:01
TuxCrafteri just deleted the old one16:01
TuxCrafterrestarted firefix16:01
TheSheepTuxCrafter: I don't know16:01
TuxCraftersame issue16:01
TuxCrafterit looks so terrible ugly16:02
TuxCrafterhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/+bug/22481016:04
ubottuTuxCrafter: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out16:04
TuxCrafterhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/+bug/22481016:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 224810 in thunderbird "Thunderbird from the repos looks ugly" [Undecided,New]16:06
TuxCraftershould work16:06
suriroit just miscalculates DPI, but that's an old bug of TB. I'm surprised it still lingers16:07
surirowhat's the value of layout.css.dpi in config editor in TB?16:07
TuxCraftersuriro: it was -116:10
suriroit has two other possible values, 0 and 1, but I dont remember now the semantics16:11
TuxCrafterxdpyinfo | grep resolution16:12
TuxCrafterxdpyinfo | grep dimension16:12
TuxCrafterresolution:    89x89 dots per inch16:12
TuxCrafterdimensions:    1440x900 pixels (410x256 millimeters)16:12
TuxCrafterchanged the dpi to 8916:12
TuxCrafterbut its still ugly as hell16:12
surirowhere did you change DPI?16:12
TuxCraftersuriro: how do you mean16:14
suriroset layout.css.dpi to 0, restart TB16:14
TuxCrafterok16:14
TuxCraftersuriro: its the same as with dpi 8916:15
surirook, one more try16:16
suriroset it to <85, restart TB16:16
suriro83 for example16:16
TuxCraftersuriro: its a bid smaller16:17
TuxCrafterstill ugly but far less than first16:17
TuxCrafteri can live with it16:17
TuxCrafterthunderbird is broken by design16:18
TuxCrafterso no need to fix it16:18
suriroit could be a shared library problem16:25
surirodo you have some non-repo installations around?16:25
slow-motionbye16:25
TuxCraftersuriro: nope i dont have a non-repo installation around16:28
TuxCrafterbut i will download it know16:28
TuxCrafternwo16:29
nikolamHi. Does anyone uses raid1?16:29
nikolamHow do I make my raid1 use truely 2 Hdds?16:29
nikolamhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/9993/16:29
TuxCrafterbash thunderbird16:35
TuxCrafterlibxpt: bad magic header in input file; found '', expected 'XPCOM\nTypeLib\r\n\032'16:35
TuxCrafterlibxpt: bad magic header in input file; found '', expected 'XPCOM\nTypeLib\r\n\032'16:35
TuxCrafterlibxpt: bad magic header in input file; found '', expected 'XPCOM\nTypeLib\r\n\032'16:35
TuxCraftersuriro: it is the same16:35
suriro /usr/bin/thunderbird is a shell script, and it should fork /usr/lib/thunderbird/thunderbird-bin . Do you see that in ps ax output?16:42
TuxCraftersuriro: yes it was thunderbird-bin16:50
nikolam:)16:54
surirocan you paste the output of ldd /usr/lib/thunderbird/thunderbird-bin16:57
KlrSp1Does anyone know how to restore default config files for apache? i did a purge and reinstall, and it's not placing a conf file there and apache won't start because of this17:04
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jarnosHelp! I can not unmount my external USB hard disk.17:16
jarnosThis was temporary as it worked now, but before that I tried to umount the disk several times, and got this: "/sbin/umount.hal: disk is not recognized by hal"17:19
KlrSp1Does anyone know how to restore default config files for apache? i did a purge and reinstall, and it's not placing a conf file there and apache won't start because of this17:20
OrganStoffKlrSp1 download the deb file:17:30
OrganStoffhttp://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/apache2.2-common17:30
OrganStoff(bottom of the page)17:30
OrganStoffextract .conf file from .deb archive17:30
OrganStoffyou can use the .deb file in /var/cache/apt, too17:30
KlrSp1OrganStoff: i figured it out17:31
KlrSp1the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted.  You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>;17:31
dean_hi guys18:10
dean_any NVIDIA guys in?18:10
cheeseboyanyone here know how to setup network bridge?18:12
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slow-motionre18:54
Myrttihas anyone tried using screenlets on xubuntu hardy?19:42
BunnyRevolutionnot yet19:42
* BunnyRevolution powers up virtual box19:43
MyrttiI can get the screenlets daemon running, but I can't make it start any screenlets on startup19:43
Myrttiit makes a silly Autostart directory to the desktop19:43
MyrttiI'm not that well acquainted with Screenlets so I don't know how to fix it or what it should do19:44
Myrttithe second thing I've been pondering about is is there any way of changing the colouring of the themes in xfce4?19:46
MyrttiI've currently got blue scrollbars etc and I'd like to get them in pink or green :->19:46
BunnyRevolutioni do lug presentations for an area lug.  primarily in kubuntu and xubuntu.  i'll need to now this soon for my presentation next thursday19:47
BunnyRevolution*know19:48
PsynoKhi0Myrtti: which screenlets?19:52
BunnyRevolutionyou need composting options enabled for screenlets to work properly19:52
BunnyRevolutionsettings manager, window manager tweaks19:53
slow-motionbye19:54
Myrttiyeah, I've got that on19:54
MyrttiPsynoKhi0: the clock basically19:55
PsynoKhi0from the gDesklets package?19:56
Myrttino, from the screenlets package19:56
PsynoKhi0ah19:57
BunnyRevolutionuser interface pref - use saltlake or stellar19:57
Myrttimmmm Murrina Rose looks nice20:04
BunnyRevolutionit would appear that you would need to dig deeper into gtk theming to set the scrollbar specifically.  there are several tutorials on the web on xfce themeing.  this is deeper than any presentation we do in our area wide lug, therefore, this is where my research ends20:07
TheSheepactually, if you use a murrina theme, then the scrollbars have a separate option in it20:18
BunnyRevolutionthx TheSheep20:19
Myrttiwell the scrollbar was only an example20:19
Myrttithe general colouring was blueis20:19
Myrttih20:19
coldhakdo linux screensavers have options like windows ones do?20:23
HACKhalo2yessir20:23
HACKhalo2most of them need OpenGL though20:23
TheSheepno, they usually have different options :)20:23
coldhakknow how i can get at these options?20:23
HACKhalo2well, besides the whole Terminal thing20:23
TheSheepcoldhak: settings->settings manager->screensaver20:23
coldhakTheSheep, i'm there. see no options. i'm guessing they're in a text config somewhere?20:24
TheSheephmm? they should be here, wait a minute20:24
coldhak"screensaver settings" allows selection, but no parameter settingo20:26
Myrttisettings - screensaver20:26
Myrttisettings - settings manager - screensaver sets gnome-screensaver20:26
MyrttiI noticed xubuntu however seems to use xscreensaver by default?20:27
coldhaki don't have gnome. I have Xfce20:27
Myrtticoldhak: neither do I have gnome20:27
Myrttisome software in xfce is from the gnome project and named as such20:27
coldhakok :)20:27
HACKhalo2word of advice, XFCE doesn't run xscreensaver by default20:28
Myrttijust type gnome and hit tabulator and be suprised20:28
HACKhalo2ok, what files do i need to run VNC?20:28
coldhakHACKhalo2, server or client?20:29
HACKhalo2both20:29
HACKhalo2mind you im running a VM20:30
Myrttix11vnc for server20:30
TheSheepcoldhak: sorry, I forgot xubuntu switched to gnome screensaver20:31
TheSheepcoldhak: this screensaver doesn't have options20:31
coldhak:( fail20:31
HACKhalo2xscreensaver does20:31
HACKhalo2xscreensaver ftw20:32
MyrttiI once hacked it to be launched based on if my mobile was within a bluetoothable distance from my computer20:32
HACKhalo2nice20:33
Myrttis/launched/launched and locked/20:33
TheSheepMyrtti: there is a ready gnome app for this now20:33
TheSheepwell, not really gnome20:33
Myrttithere's a page describing the procedure someplace20:33
HACKhalo2what VNC do i need for client? x2VNC?20:33
MyrttiTheSheep: probably the same one I used20:33
TheSheepblueproximity or something20:33
MyrttiHACKhalo2: vnc-viewer?20:33
HACKhalo2that was a stupid question...20:34
TheSheepMyrtti: no, no, all graphical and stuff20:34
TheSheepthere are no stupid questions20:34
MyrttiHACKhalo2: mind you, there seems to be vnc-server package too20:34
HACKhalo2i see that20:34
MyrttiHACKhalo2: I don't know how that differs from x11vnc20:34
HACKhalo2Link between MS-Winderz and X display20:35
MyrttiI used x11vnc ages ago and found it quite simple to set up, I don't know if there are better solutions around20:35
HACKhalo2i need to set up chatzilla in my VM20:35
HACKhalo2Myrtti, is x11vnc a terminal program?20:46
MyrttiI guess20:47
TuxCrafterhi guys how do i solve this message21:29
TuxCrafterA security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message had interface "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member "Mount" error name "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.Hal").21:29
TuxCrafteri cant mount my usb storage device21:29
TuxCraftersudo mount works fine btw21:30
floatingwhere can i edit the stuff that is in /etc/inittab in suse ?21:36
floatinghow the system boots... default run level21:36
TuxCrafternobody that has a direct solution?21:40
TuxCraftergot to leave now21:42
raps_hello all}22:36
raps_I need sdome help with my video card22:36
raps_I have just installed xubuntu 8.0422:36
raps_I seem to have a problem with my video card, I get no full screen resolution22:37
raps_it keeps using 800x600, My card is a trident22:37
raps_and I have read a bug in launchpad https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-trident/+bug/20041122:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 200411 in xserver-xorg-video-trident "[hardy] [regression] gnome-settings-daemon update gives 400x300 resolution after login" [Undecided,Invalid]22:37
raps_I was wondering if anyone could help me find a way for me to enable the trident driver, as of now I only use the VESA driver22:38
MythGuyCan someone help me? I'm having trouble enabling my NVIDIA drivers.22:39
MythGuyhello?22:42
TheSheepraps_: try setting the horizontal and vertical refresh rates of your monitor properly22:42
raps_TheSheep,  mmm how could I do that... before I used to do that directly in xorg.conf, but now that is not longer used in ubuntu 8.0422:43
raps_not used for changin video settings22:44
TheSheepraps_: what do you mean it's not used?22:46
TheSheepMyrtti: you need to describe your problem22:46
Myrtti/me hides22:46
raps_not used for changin video settings "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"22:47
raps_and I could pick the driver. this is not longer tru in ubuntu 8.0422:47
raps_I also edited the xrog.conf   but the sections   monitor and screen cannot be modified like before... where I would add modes or horizontal an vertical parameters for the monitor22:48
raps_TheSheep,  you suggested I change the horz and vert parameters, where would I do that?22:49
TheSheepraps_: you can modify them exactly the same way as befgore22:49
TheSheepraps_: the syntax of that file didn't change22:49
TheSheepMythGuy: you need to describe your problem22:50
safrikanhello22:50
TheSheepMyrtti: :)22:50
TheSheepraps_: you can use 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure -p0 xserver-xorg' to do it using menus22:50
safrikanI have a question, can I ask?22:50
MythGuyI keep checking the enable box on the restricted hardware drivers section, then I restart and check it again and it's still disabled.22:51
TheSheepMythGuy: do you have the restricted repositories enabled in software sources?22:51
MythGuyI don't know. How would I check?22:52
raps_TheSheep,  the command I just rand led me to the xorg configuration I use frequently but it does not refer to anything related to video22:53
safrikanI need advice on a minimal, super-sleek xubuntu install on a sumicom22:56
MythGuyTheSheep: I found software sources and yes, I do have access to restricted drivers.22:58
MythGuyor repositories...22:58
MythGuymaybe my internet connection was bugy.22:59
raps_TheSheep,  no change at all in x's. how can I change my monitor settings graphically in xuibuntu22:59
TheSheepraps_: try running 'displayconfig-gtk'23:00
TheSheepMythGuy: you can try installing the nvidia-glx package manually23:00
MythGuyTheSheep: what was that you said? I was restarting just as I saw it.23:05
TheSheep MythGuy: you can try installing the nvidia-glx package23:05
TheSheep                  manually23:05
TheSheepMythGuy: normally the restricted drivers manager would install it23:06
raps_TheSheep,  fixed23:06
MythGuyah. I'll try that/23:06
TheSheepraps_: great23:06
raps_thanks23:06
* raps_ didn't know he could use the nift gnome config app for xubuntu23:06
TheSheepraps_: it doesn't display in the menu due to a bug23:07
raps_right23:07
floatingmy xubuntu is never really using my swap. always like 80mb/620mb in use23:26
floatingguess 620mb is too much.. i have 752mb ram23:27
zoredachewhy do you want it to use swap?  If you have ram available it should use that23:27
floatingjust thinking if i were in situation to install xubu again in similar system, i could choose like 256mb ram easily23:28
zoredachedisk space is pretty cheap... It seems like it is easy to have swap available in the rare case you need it23:30
floating:) i have a couple years old weak laptop with 256mb and 512mb memory pieces in, 60gb hd so almost 500mb could make difference in capacity... well, actually its not really but23:32
floatingusing an external hd is not smth i would consider23:32
MiKa|my question: what is the rofs folder used for? if i were to backup the system, is it necessary to backup this folder too? because the file size of the folder itself is rather big..23:42
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TheSheepMyrtti: 'rofs'?23:53
TheSheepMyrtti: sorry23:54
TheSheepMiKa|: 'rofs'?23:54
MiKa|yes23:54
MiKa|in my case, im running xubuntu off a livecd23:54
MiKa|and i get this folder in my file system23:54
MiKa|it seems to have a complete copy of the whole file system, and a google search told me that it is a 'read only file system' (rofs)23:55
TheSheepah23:55
TheSheepit's the livecd itself23:56
TheSheepwhy would you back up a livecd?23:56
MiKa|well23:56
MiKa|once u work around a while with the live cd (make changes, install programs...) eventually i have to turn off the computer, but i want to make a backup of the changes so that i can restore it when i install it fully next time23:57
MiKa|i have never installed the whole xubuntu itself yet, so i was wondering: does this folder exist in your file system which u have installed xubuntu fully?23:59
TheSheepMiKa|: hmm.. you only need to backup your /home and the list of installed packages -- you can get it with dpkg -l23:59
MiKa|but, i have other changes...23:59

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