[05:03] <davyboy04> can somebody please tell me how to change my video card driver and how to decide which one i neeD?
[05:06] <danage> davyboy04: go to #ubuntu (but try from bash displayconfig-gtk)
[05:07] <ethana2> I don't think he's identified
[05:08] <davyboy04> ok
[09:56] <KingOfDos> I've got a problem with zabbix-server-mysql. After a couple of upgrades of Ubuntu 6.10 to 8.04 (version after version) my zabbix-server does nothing anymore.
[09:56] <KingOfDos> While upgrading from 7.04 to 7.10 (i beleave) it wanted to convert the database format while upgrading. That faild.
[09:57] <KingOfDos> So is there a way to manually convert a zabbix-server database format from version 1.1 to 1.4
[12:25] <tarzeau> is there a user of requestsync in here?
[12:25] <tarzeau> is there a log file and the dates when the next automatic syncs (from debian unstable to ubuntu) will be?
[12:33] <RussellGee> tarzeau: i was wondering the same thing
[12:34] <RussellGee> there were updates 2 days ago but apart from that theres been nothing else
[12:34] <tarzeau> RussellGee: is that stuff not public maybe?
[12:35] <tarzeau> RussellGee: and is there a webgui for requestsync? can non-ubuntu users run it somehow? (i have friends who run ubuntu, but i don't have access on their machines from not local)
[12:35] <tarzeau> and they do want some software updates that is in debian sid, but not ubuntu
[12:36] <RussellGee> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess
[12:36] <RussellGee> ?
[12:37] <tarzeau> RussellGee: you can't file bugs on launchpad without account
[12:38] <tarzeau> RussellGee: i got three accounts on there, but don't remember the password and my email changed and they can't send the reminders onto another mail address on the keyring :(
[12:38] <tarzeau> i don't want to create another 10 accounts on launchpad
[12:38] <tarzeau> i'd just like someone on irc that i can ping from time to time to sync package a , b, and c
[12:39] <RussellGee> sync requests normally dont happen untill after the debian import freeze
[12:39] <tarzeau> ah i see, and no automatic syncs either?
[12:40] <RussellGee> they should star soon on a regular basis
[12:40] <RussellGee> start*
[12:40] <RussellGee> you could go fetch the source your self from sid and build the packages
[12:41] <tarzeau> i know about that
[12:41] <tarzeau> so it's not known when soon is?
[12:43] <RussellGee> theres still a few things to get sorted with the toolchain
[12:43] <RussellGee> perl is in a right mess atm
[12:44] <RussellGee> things should start moving along in a few days
[12:45] <RussellGee> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2008-May/000424.html
[14:44] <Skiessi> does anyone know when x is going to work again?
[14:48] <Amaranth> Skiessi: just before alpha1
[14:48] <Amaranth> Skiessi: See you in June
[14:50] <Skiessi> \o/ irssi and lynx until then
[14:51] <Skiessi> and aaxine of course, I need a media player
[14:51] <Amaranth> or downgrade libxfont1
[14:51] <Skiessi> to what version?
[14:52] <Skiessi> I'll downgrade to hardy one
[14:58] <Skiessi> :| yeah it works now...
[15:12] <MonTree> ubuntu live cd comes with md5sum?
[16:39] <hwilde> is there any way I can make ubuntu call a phone number and play a pre-recorded message?
[16:39] <hydrogen> not particullarly on topic
[16:40] <hwilde> I don't even know what to search for -  it doesn't seem to exist
[16:45] <gnomefreak> hwilde: please ask in ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu as you were. there might not be an easy way or a known way at this time so getting an answer might not be easy
[16:45] <gnomefreak> hwilde: maybe try recording your voice and than worry about setting it up
[16:45] <hwilde> I have the recordings
[16:46] <hwilde> not sure how to initiate a voice phone call
[16:46] <hwilde> automatedly speaking
[16:47] <gnomefreak> hwilde: you need to write your own program or search for one on net . I highly doubt we have one and this is really the wrong channel to be asking in
[16:47] <gnomefreak> hwilde: please ask in ubuntu or ubuntu-offtopic
[17:48] <frenzy> hello
[17:49] <frenzy> i'm comming here with a heads up to a major problem with Ubuntu 8.04LTS
[17:49] <AtomicSpark> wrong channel :P
[17:50] <frenzy> well not really
[17:50] <frenzy> becasue this needs an update to fix
[17:50] <AtomicSpark> and what is this little problem of yours?
[17:50] <frenzy> basicly, with every program and i mean every program that creates documents you can save, the program crashes when you try to save
[17:51] <frenzy> and i think the problem is with the window mananger
[17:51] <frenzy> and no one in the support forums or the IRC can help
[17:51] <AtomicSpark> i don't appear to have this problem. did you do a fresh install?
[17:51] <frenzy> no, an update
[17:52] <frenzy> and the bug is registered, i'm not the only one having the problem
[17:53] <mnemo> frenzy: paste the URL to the bug report in launchpad
[17:53] <frenzy> ok
[17:54] <AtomicSpark> upgrades are never reliable. especially if you add stuff from the original install.
[17:54] <frenzy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/225355
[17:55] <frenzy>  yea i know, i had major problems with xubuntu after the last install, the ethernet card wouldn't work
[17:56] <mnemo> frenzy: that bug doesn't repro on my machine either (I tried both open office writer and "text editor")
[17:56] <frenzy> bleh
[17:56] <AtomicSpark> i tried gimp too
[17:57] <AtomicSpark> you didn't try to manually install open office at any point in the past did you?
[17:57] <frenzy> and you both did fresh installs?
[17:57] <frenzy> no, never
[17:57] <mnemo> frenzy: no, I install a beta version of gutsy and then just kept pressing "upgrade"
[17:57] <frenzy> but given that it effects all document programs, i think the issue is with window manangers
[17:58] <AtomicSpark> it would be an issue with saving so maybe nautilis or something.
[17:58] <mnemo> frenzy: on your machine, does "gedit" crash when you save a text file?
[17:58] <AtomicSpark> i upgraded from the beta. it was pretty crappy. only had a major issue with flash though.
[17:59] <frenzy> sorry i'm still ubuntuillerate, what is the gedit?
[17:59] <frenzy> aaa
[17:59] <frenzy> nvm
[17:59] <AtomicSpark> gedit is the default text editor
[18:00] <frenzy> sorry i'm used to just calling it text editor, yes it crashes
[18:00] <mnemo> ok hmm
[18:00] <AtomicSpark> hmm. what about nano? from a terminal?
[18:01] <frenzy> nano seems to load in the terminal,
[18:01] <frenzy> let me try to save
[18:01] <mnemo> frenzy: to find the cause of a crash you need to run the application inside GDB and retrive a stacktrace at the point the crash happens... but to do that you need to run an application which has debug symbols available
[18:01] <mnemo> frenzy: press CTRL-O to save stuff in nano
[18:01] <frenzy> ok
[18:02] <frenzy> well i would like to find the cause of the crash
[18:02] <BunnyRevolution> wouldn't
[18:02] <BunnyRevolution> "strace appname" work?
[18:03] <frenzy> alright so nano saved just fine
[18:03] <frenzy> in the terminal
[18:03] <AtomicSpark> might be a nautilus thing.
[18:04] <frenzy> i just reinstalled nautilus, should i restart and see if that helped?
[18:04] <AtomicSpark> scary. but sure.
[18:05] <mnemo> frenzy: there is no easy to install debug symbols for gedit as far as I know... but there is debug symbols for evince so maybe you can try that... just download any PDF file to your desktop, double click it to open it in "evince", then select "Save a copy" from the file menu and see if that crashes
[18:05] <frenzy> let me try that first
[18:06] <mnemo> frenzy: yeah try the restart first for sure
[18:06] <AtomicSpark> i thought inkscape was the pdf viewer now?
[18:06] <frenzy> no evince still is there
[18:06] <frenzy> and the program just crashed with the PDF but i'll be right back with a restart.
[18:07] <AtomicSpark> not for me lol but he did an upgrade
[18:07] <AtomicSpark> maybe document viewer is evince?
[18:08] <AtomicSpark> ah it is!
[18:10] <AtomicSpark> heh the show about human hobbits is on
[18:10] <frenzy> nope!
[18:11] <frenzy> still crashes
[18:11] <frenzy> so what were you saying about the PDF
[18:11] <mnemo> okay frenzy, run this command "sudo apt-get install evince-dbg"
[18:11] <frenzy> ok
[18:12] <mnemo> start evince without opening any PDF
[18:12] <mnemo> also start a terminal
[18:12] <mnemo> in the terminal type "gdb --pid=`pidof evince`"
[18:12] <frenzy> ok
[18:12] <mnemo> make sure you get backticks and not ' chars etc
[18:13] <mnemo> at this point evince should become unresponsive (and gray out), this is normal
[18:13] <frenzy> weird evince seems not to be in my applications menu
[18:13] <mnemo> and you should have a gdb prompt available where you can type stuff
[18:14] <mnemo> you can just launch evince from the terminal, type "evince &"
[18:14] <frenzy> ok
[18:15] <frenzy> ok i have the prompt
[18:15] <mnemo> type "c" in the gdb prompt to start evince again
[18:16] <frenzy> ok
[18:16] <mnemo> evince should not stop being gray and you should be able to use evince menus normally
[18:16] <frenzy> yes
[18:16] <mnemo> okay, repro the bug now
[18:16] <mnemo> i.e. use the "save copy" function in evince
[18:16] <mnemo> to make it crash
[18:17] <frenzy> it froze and greyed out
[18:17] <frenzy> i did open
[18:17] <mnemo> okay good
[18:17] <mnemo> switch back to gdb
[18:17] <frenzy> alright
[18:17] <mnemo> and look what it printed
[18:17] <frenzy> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
[18:17] <frenzy> [Switching to Thread 0xb6bad720 (LWP 6316)]
[18:17] <frenzy> 0xb7245bc7 in strchr () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6
[18:18] <mnemo> perfect
[18:18] <mnemo> now type "backtrace full"
[18:18] <mnemo> and copy everything gdb prints into the launchpad bug :)
[18:18] <frenzy> haha ok!
[18:18] <mnemo> this information is very useful to developers
[18:19] <frenzy> alright
[18:19] <frenzy> should i just post it as a comment in the current bug?
[18:20] <mnemo> yeah, or attach it as a file is even better in case it's very long
[18:20] <frenzy> but i can't save files :-P
[18:20] <mnemo> use nano or something ;>
[18:20] <frenzy> unless i use nano
[18:20] <frenzy> yea
[18:20] <mnemo> you can also paste it into here: http://rafb.net/paste/
[18:20] <mnemo> so I can look at it
[18:21] <AtomicSpark> shift-control-v for pasting into nano
[18:21] <frenzy> should i only copy from backtrace
[18:21] <mnemo> copy the part that says SIGSEGV as well
[18:21] <mnemo> plus some lines before and after that
[18:23] <frenzy> http://rafb.net/p/B2BVWf76.html
[18:23] <frenzy> is that good?
[18:24] <mnemo> hmm
[18:24] <frenzy> hmm?
[18:25] <mnemo> two problems
[18:25] <frenzy> shoot
[18:25] <mnemo> first, you're missing symbols for some pretty important libraries... this is why it says "No symbol table info available.
[18:25] <mnemo> secondly, the backtrace is not complete... or at least I don't think it is
[18:26] <mnemo> hold on
[18:26] <frenzy> ok
[18:26] <frenzy> well it took me back to gdb
[18:27] <mnemo> yeah, maybe things will become more clear if we manage to get the symbols for glib and gtk into place
[18:27] <frenzy> well how do we do that?
[18:28] <mnemo> now i'm sort of guessing here but, try running "sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-0-dbg"
[18:29] <mnemo> and then also run "sudo apt-get install libglib2.0-0-dbg"
[18:29] <frenzy> ok
[18:30] <mnemo> frenzy: and just to be sure, run this as well "sudo apt-get install libgtkextra-x11-2.0-dbg"
[18:30] <frenzy> ok, it's working
[18:30] <mnemo> and then grab another backtrace
[18:30] <frenzy> alright
[18:31] <frenzy> on the bug report, someone posted dependences, what's that for
[18:31] <frenzy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/225355
[18:32] <mnemo> the dependencies.txt file is attached automatically when you file bugs using the "help :: report a problem" functionality
[18:32] <frenzy> gottcha
[18:33] <mnemo> frenzy: did you manage to get another backtrace?
[18:33] <frenzy> still installing the last one
[18:33] <mnemo> mmkay, I see
[18:36] <frenzy> #15 0xb77f7e4f in ?? () from /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
[18:36] <frenzy> No symbol table info available.
[18:36] <frenzy> #16 0x00000000 in ?? ()
[18:36] <frenzy> No symbol table info available.
[18:36] <frenzy> same thing
[18:36] <mnemo> can you paste the whole thing again into ttp://rafb.net/paste
[18:37] <frenzy> ok
[18:37] <frenzy> http://rafb.net/p/h7Hn5M75.html
[18:39] <frenzy> is that good?
[18:39] <mnemo> okay, this is sort of where my knowledge ends... I don't know how to make the backtrace more readable unfortunatly
[18:39] <mnemo> this is still useful
[18:39] <mnemo> but it's not perfect
[18:40] <Amaranth> it is not useful at all
[18:40] <frenzy> ha
[18:40] <mnemo> :/
[18:40] <mnemo> Amaranth: so how can it be improved then?
[18:40] <Amaranth> install libgtk2.0-0-dbg and libglib2.0-0-dbg
[18:40] <Amaranth> then generate the crash report again
[18:41] <frenzy> i did
[18:41] <mnemo> yea I just asked him to do that
[18:41] <Amaranth> you crashed it _after_ you installed those?
[18:41] <frenzy> yes
[18:41] <Amaranth> then you're screwed
[18:41] <frenzy> let me restart terminal and start fresh
[18:41] <Amaranth> bad backtrace == bug not getting fixed
[18:42] <frenzy> i'm getting the same thing
[18:43] <frenzy> no symbol table info avaiable
[18:44] <frenzy> http://rafb.net/p/odsnZw54.html
[18:44] <frenzy> then should i just do a fresh install?
[18:45] <frenzy> i'm guessing the silence means i'm still screwed
[18:47] <mnemo> frenzy: i don't know how to help you at least... i wish there was better automatic crash reports in ubuntu (like windows has)... it's not reasonable to expect end-users to analyze bugs like this
[18:48] <frenzy> well at least i tried, i can do a fresh install without wiping the drive right?
[18:49] <mnemo> the installer can delete and format partitions, yea
[18:49] <frenzy> but i still should back up
[18:49] <mnemo> yes
[18:50] <frenzy> well thanks, i posted what i had to the bug report, it might do something
[18:50] <frenzy> but if not oh well
[18:50] <frenzy> i need food
[18:50] <frenzy> see you later
[18:51] <mnemo> :)
[18:51] <mnemo> see you
[21:04] <Viden> can anyone help me ... after a dist upgrade i have no background image and everything seems to be crawling along
[21:06] <Viden> i also have no right click menu on the desktop
[21:07] <Viden> anyone?  please
[21:09] <Nicke> Viden: This on Hardy/8.04? I suppose you will be better of in #ubuntu then
[21:10] <Viden> yeah ... 804, that channel is never very helpful, most of the good people hang out here.  I will wait my turn there i suppose
[21:11] <Nicke> yeah, or try the forums.. but I have never tested those myself.. : )
[21:11] <Viden> :-d
[21:36] <llin-ubuntu> is anyone else experiencing slow speeds on downloading 8.04 updates?
[21:43] <gavintlgold> so, ibex will have a new theme, correct?
[21:49] <hwilde> what replaced /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh ?  in fact all of /etc/acpi   ?
[23:08] <gnomefreak> who was the X person that had issues with X
[23:09] <gnomefreak> didnt make much sense but you know who you are
[23:09] <gnomefreak> hes not here
[23:10] <gnomefreak> anyone watching DO NOT UPDATE YOU SYSTEM if your on intrepid or if your thinking about it
[23:14] <IdleOne> gnomefreak: no kidding. it wants to uninstall everything heh
[23:14] <gnomefreak> oh i havent been affected but one of the devels i work with did have it happen
[23:15] <gnomefreak> IdleOne: what package do you know?
[23:15] <IdleOne> lemme check
[23:17] <gnomefreak> IdleOne: thanks
[23:17] <IdleOne> http://pastebin.ca/1008740
[23:17] <IdleOne> there ya go
[23:17] <gnomefreak> thanks
[23:18] <IdleOne> np that is what i get don't know what other people are getting
[23:20] <gnomefreak> IdleOne: ill have it checked with fta
[23:20] <IdleOne> gnomefreak: is that helpful or do you need more info from me?
[23:20] <IdleOne> gnomefreak: ok cool
[23:21] <gnomefreak> IdleOne: for now its helpful
[23:21] <IdleOne> ok glad I can help
[23:22] <IdleOne> need anything more let me know
[23:22]  * IdleOne is planning a backup of /home so if I need to do a fresh install I'll be ok
[23:27] <gnomefreak> ok now ill look more into this X bug to see what caused it
[23:27] <gnomefreak> IdleOne: what version is your libffi4
[23:28] <gnomefreak> 4.2.3-2ubuntu7??
[23:30] <gnomefreak> IdleOne: extreamly helpful but not gonna fix it\
[23:31] <gnomefreak> its because of gcc-4.3 everything needs to be built on that version before you get working anything this takes time
[23:31] <gnomefreak> :)
[23:36] <IdleOne> gnomefreak: yeah I read it in the email
[23:36] <gnomefreak> IdleOne: dont ever do aptitude or dist-upgrade in devel
[23:36] <IdleOne> gnomefreak: I did it all through Hardy without issue
[23:36] <gnomefreak> if you simply do upgrade it doesnt do anything bad most of time http://pastebin.ca/1008753
[23:36] <gnomefreak> IdleOne: but you "shouldnt" is what the devels will tell you
[23:37] <gnomefreak> ad never before toolchain is done
[23:37] <gnomefreak> /ad/and
[23:37] <IdleOne> yeah yeah but they are always to careful lol
[23:37] <IdleOne> but! now that you have told me I wont
[23:37] <gnomefreak> IdleOne: we have to be since we need system or chroot to build packages for intrepid
[23:38] <gnomefreak> i havent set up my chroot yet
[23:38] <IdleOne> I had a system die on me at hardy 2 and got back online at hardy4 did religious dist-upgrade every morning with no probs
[23:39] <IdleOne> hardware failure nothing to do with ubuntu
[23:42] <gnomefreak> that late its less likely to bork your system but toolchain uploads will kill everything
[23:43] <IdleOne> yeah well this is the first time I have upgraded so early
[23:43] <IdleOne> I changed my sources.list the day after hardy release
[23:44] <IdleOne> so I am really hoping I dont break everything but hey I enjoy fresh installs :)
[23:45] <IdleOne> gnomefreak: maybe you can pass this on. nm-applet needs a disconnect from network option
[23:45] <gnomefreak> oh tell me your kidding
[23:46] <IdleOne> no not at all
[23:46] <gnomefreak> brb ill let him know
[23:46] <IdleOne> haha
[23:46] <IdleOne> ok
[23:47] <IdleOne> I mean if I want to switch from wifi to w2ing at once connections gored it connects to both so I have t
[23:47] <gnomefreak> i told him hes doing something for me atm but when he gets back hell ask me all kinds of shit, please file bug so i can point him there?
[23:47] <IdleOne> @ohmy dude
[23:47] <IdleOne> :P
[23:47] <IdleOne> sure thing
[23:47] <gnomefreak> all done smoke time now
[23:51]  * gnomefreak wonders if he set up intrepid yet
[23:56] <IdleOne> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/227104
[23:59] <polit> why ubuntu don't release fluxbunut?