[01:08] evening : [01:08] hey [01:08] quiet night eh? [01:09] yeah [01:09] right after a relase :) [01:11] :) [01:51] ho all [01:55] hey [02:22] hi Hobbsee [02:34] hey daskreech! [02:35] Hobbsee: How are you? [02:35] doing OK [02:36] Groovy :) [02:40] The default compiz stuff in Ubuntu is pretty crisp [02:44] if you are blind [02:46] and don't care about system stability. [02:47] Compiz is a crappy window manager, even if it has nice effects [02:49] aye, seems I have made our college's LUG advisor quit...I replied to his email with the Ubuntu CoC about stepping down :) [02:52] I never said it was smart :) I said it was crisp [02:52] they have nice defaults [02:56] nixternal: oh dera. more stepping down [02:57] maybe I need to step down so I can be cool again! [02:57] nixternal is plenty cool [02:57] He's blamable :) [03:12] I've seen compiz on other people's computers and not once have I thought "I want that". [03:14] KWin effects are sufficient for me [03:15] Desktop grid is more useful than the cube imo [03:20] * Hobbsee has both [03:21] who's building 4.1 ? [03:23] Woah [03:23] MythTV is a Qt App ? [04:23] Is it me or when I install apps in KDE3 in hardy they don't update the menu [04:23] or is that just a live CD thing? [04:24] It's either your or a live CD thing. workforme. [04:26] I asked cause I'm in gnome now and it's doing the same thing [06:13] * nixternal wonders if he should join the kubuntu-de team for 5-a-day :) [06:13] Kubuntu DE totally rocks! [06:13] Ha ha [06:28] argh Why does middle click must kmix? [06:28] it's annoying [06:29] Mute [06:34] hahaha vorian, you are on the suckah board with me :p === daSkreecH is now known as DASKREECH === DASKREECH is now known as daskrEEch [06:58] am I the only person who has the keyboard disappear in KDE4 ? [06:59] ahh, just because you don't wash your hands and your keyboard runs away from you, don't blame it on KDE 4 [06:59] typical GNOME user attitude right there :p [06:59] I wash my ... well my keyboard doesn't run away so there :-P [06:59] heh [06:59] If I wait like 20 minutes it will magically work again [07:00] I haven't had that problem, but I have had the stuck key problem in both KDE 3 and KDE 4 [07:00] more so in KDE 3 though that I can remember [07:00] Or I could opt to restart the machine [07:00] e ? [07:02] shoot, pretty much every key [07:02] w was a recent one that i can remember [07:02] as well as m maybe [07:02] which works? [07:02] cause I can get the FN keys to work [07:03] everything else is pretty much dead [07:03] I did get those to die once :) [07:03] everything is working for me [07:03] !worksforme [07:03] Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/ [07:03] no, it should work! for everyone! that is Microsoft's philosophy, and look how large they have gotten! [07:05] fat cows [07:05] we should be more like SCO [07:05] ^_^ [07:06] ahh flames!! Pitchforks!! [07:06] heh, my buddy worked for them until recently [07:07] SCO had a majority of the US hospitals on contracts for their systems [07:07] so there is a big thing for Ubuntu to jump on, US hospitals, or are they scared of the US health system? [07:07] wimps! [07:09] I would be :) [07:10] Unless I was a health insurance company I guess [07:12] speaking of which, they are trying to screw my mother right now after her heart attack last year [07:13] Yep [07:14] They had a story on BBC of this woman who had cancer three times and now she just doesn't go to the doctor [07:16] careful on what you hear about all of that stuff...there are cancer clinics in the US that take care of all people no matter their financial or insurance situation [07:17] my cousin has/had cancer, however that works, without a dime to his name, nor insurance, and he hasn't paid a dime for any of his treatments, and neither have the tax payers === hunger_t is now known as hunger [07:17] research centers? [07:17] we have those, but the big things are the non-profit cancer treatment centers in the US [07:18] I don't have a job nor insurance, but I get treated when I am sick [07:18] people who live int he sticks may not have easy access to that type of stuff, and they are the ones who typically complain [07:18] heehee the sticks :) [07:18] our insurance companies, now that is a different story [07:19] they will kill you if the can just to save a dollar [07:19] s/the/they [07:20] in Chicago, it is like 65% of the population isn't insured [07:20] granted they have Stroger/Cook County hospital to go die for free, but still :) [07:20] I don't care how bad off I was, I will not go to either of those hospitals [07:20] take me out back and get rid of me like a wounded animal [07:21] They cheney way [07:21] haha [07:21] I watched that Dixie Chicks documentary today on tv, have to admit that was pretty good [07:22] they got one in good on cheney [07:23] the one girl wore a t-shirt that had 'FUTK' on it for FU Toby Keith...so someone in the audience who hated them for what they said years ago in England wore a shirt that said FUDC for the Dixie Chicks [07:23] but the lead singer said "what did dick cheney have to do with it?" [07:23] haha, she pwnd that dude [07:23] anywho, i am tired and rambling nonsense now [07:23] * nixternal sleeps [07:23] g'nite [07:23] night [08:37] !info libqt4-gui intrepid [08:42] hmm, ubottu is asleep .... are we going to update http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/intrepid/qt4-x11 to the 4.4.0~rc1 sometime soon (a sync from debian?) [10:25] awen_: I'm waiting for qt 4.4 to be released (sometime today) [10:26] Riddell: even cooler :) [10:27] awen_: infact it looks like it's out now [10:28] Sweet [10:28] Riddell: what a timing ... wasn't out when i looked an hour ago or so [11:31] Hi [11:32] i'm looking for kde4.1alpha1 packages for gutsy. [11:32] GNUton: there aren't any [11:32] !test [11:32] Failed [11:33] Riddell: ok, thank you. [11:34] awen_: we have no intrepid info yet. if you care to provide a source.list for itthen I can add it in :) [11:34] jussi01: huh? [11:35] jussi01: ahh ... sources.list for ubottu ? [11:35] awen_: see your comments ~3 hours ago... [11:35] awen_:yeah [11:35] awen_: Im curently running it ;) [11:36] jussi01: just copy the sources.list for hardy and "s/hardy/intrepid/" [11:36] awen_: ahh, so its all the same then. :) [11:37] stdin: we need to do this sometime soonish :) [11:37] jussi01: yeah :) [11:38] jussi01: I already have a intrepid sources.list there, just fails miserably [11:38] stdin: ahh... what is it called? [11:38] intrepid.list ? [11:39] yeah [11:39] hrmm, what was that config variable again... [11:40] the default release to search? [11:40] @search searchorder [11:40] stdin: supybot.plugins.Encyclopedia.searchorder [11:41] !info gcc intrepid === smarter_ is now known as smarter [12:11] doh! he left... [12:11] !info libqt4-gui intrepid [12:11] libqt4-gui: Qt 4 core GUI functionality runtime library. In component main, is optional. Version 4.3.4-0ubuntu3 (intrepid), package size 4975 kB, installed size 12008 kB [14:42] hey all [14:45] Riddell: can I create a bzr branch for desktop-effects-kde? [14:47] smarter: should already be one somewhere [14:48] https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-users/guidance/desktop-effects-kde [14:49] Riddell: thanks, I'll commit some bugfixes later [14:50] groovy [14:53] qt 4.4 is a beast [15:10] yeah ... just looking at the qt4.4~rc1 in debian had an amazingly number of binary packages === apachelogger__ is now known as apachelogger [15:29] hi there [15:40] hi Serega [15:43] it works! [16:04] seele: ping === ubottu changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: 06 May 21:00 UTC: Community Council | 07 May 21:00 UTC: Server Team | 08 May 13:00 UTC: Desktop Team | 09 May 04:00 UTC: MOTU | 14 May 21:00 UTC: Server Team | 15 May 13:00 UTC: Desktop Team [16:15] Artemis_Fowl: pong [16:15] Artemis_Fowl: today is a bad day, i have to go to a meeting soon [16:15] seele: ok then === Hobbsee changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | 8.04 Released http://kubuntu.org/news/8.04-release | Let's do merges === ubottu changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: 06 May 21:00 UTC: Community Council | 07 May 21:00 UTC: Server Team | 08 May 13:00 UTC: Desktop Team | 09 May 04:00 UTC: MOTU | 14 May 21:00 UTC: Server Team | 15 May 13:00 UTC: Desktop Team [16:18] Riddell: why does desktop-effects-kde use Build-Depends-Indep instead of Build-Depends? Lintian is not happy [16:18] Hobbsee: ^ [16:18] smarter: why is lintian not happy? [16:19] smarter: it shouldn't matter, I don't mind having it changed [16:19] E: desktop-effects-kde source: clean-should-be-satisfied-by-build-depends debhelper [16:19] ok, I'll change it then [16:19] who runs ubottu? [16:20] Riddell: jussio1 but, we're helping some problems with the Webcal plugin for -meeting [16:21] seems to have the desire to change it for ALL channel [16:21] -s* === Hobbsee changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | 8.04 Released http://kubuntu.org/news/8.04-release | Let's do merges [16:22] jdavies: *sigh* === ubottu changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: 06 May 21:00 UTC: Community Council | 07 May 21:00 UTC: Server Team | 08 May 13:00 UTC: Desktop Team | 09 May 04:00 UTC: MOTU | 14 May 21:00 UTC: Server Team | 15 May 13:00 UTC: Desktop Team [16:24] damn === Hobbsee changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | 8.04 Released http://kubuntu.org/news/8.04-release | Let's do merges [16:27] anyone want to package http://code.google.com/p/arora/ ? [16:28] wow, looks cool [16:35] Riddell: I'll do it [16:35] do we already have Qt4.4 in the repos? [16:36] smarter: it's currently glogging up my upstream bandwidth [16:36] clogging [16:36] smarter: but you can probably use 4.4 rc 1 in my ppa [16:36] Riddell: hows that work with current 4.3 packages? [16:36] ok [16:36] nosrednaekim: which? [16:36] does it install to a separate DIR? [16:37] no [16:37] qt4.4 [16:37] new version of the same thing [16:38] I meant the 4.4 packages in general, and the possible conflict with the 4.3 packages [16:41] libqt4-core is now libqtcore4 [16:41] same for -gui [16:41] -webkit and -svg added [16:43] ok [16:45] Riddell: smarter you might be interested in this instead of arora http://gitorious.org/projects/foxkit more KDEish [16:47] gosh, loads of browsers [16:48] thanks bobesponja [16:48] he's working with the student that works on webkit part gsoc for making foxkit use it [16:48] smarter: welcome :) [16:48] *webkitpart [16:49] Riddell: rev30 commited in desktop-effects-kde ;) [16:56] smarter: whats this? [16:56] nosrednaekim: what's what? [16:57] I've made some bugfixes for https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-users/guidance/desktop-effects-kde and commited a new revision [17:02] oh.. ok.. thanks smarter :) [17:21] Riddell: Is it worth merging KDE3 from Debian? [17:21] ScottK: I don't think so [17:22] only packages where we don't have a kde 4 version [17:22] so amarok or the like sure [17:22] Riddell: OK. Thanks. What about stuff like the libs package that has external rdepends? [17:23] libs package? [17:23] What is it, kde4libs? [17:23] well that's kde 4 [17:23] kdelibs (kde3) I'm merging now [17:23] actually Arby already did it, I'm just fixing some autofoo [17:24] OK. Yes. That one. [17:25] I get 673 rdepends on Hardy. [17:25] ScottK: for kdelibs? [17:26] For kdelibs4c2a [17:26] ScottK: what about kdebase? [17:26] * ScottK looks [17:29] That looks a lot more manageable. 66 most of which look like they are core KDE. [17:29] There are a few though. [17:29] Then there's some odd stuff too. kblogger-kde4 build-deps on kdebase-dev [17:29] apt-cache rdepends kdebase-data counts 45 [17:30] apt-cache rdpends kdebase gets 65 [17:31] maybe rdepends isn't as clever as I'm assuming [17:31] k3b could be a problem [17:31] amarok build-deps on kdebase-dev [17:31] hum === kewark is now known as krawek [17:32] At least according to grep-dctrl [17:32] compiz does too. [17:32] that'll be for kwin [17:33] It looks like a lot of the kdebase-dev build-deps are droppable, but I'm pretty sure not all. [17:34] mm [17:34] apachelogger: any idea if amarok can live without kdebase-dev? [17:35] Riddell: pretty much, IIRC it's only needed for the konqueror sidebar plugin [17:35] ah, ok [17:36] why do you want to drop kdebase-dev rdepends? [17:36] Is there a KDE4 replacement for smb4k? [17:37] smarter: Trying to see how realistic it is to get large chunks of KDE3 removed during Intrepid. [17:40] we're really going to remove kde3? I think we should wait for intrepid+1 at least, my computer who is running fine with kde 3.5 can't handle kde 4.0 nor 4.1 [17:41] The seems to be the plan. [17:41] The/That [17:43] then I'll have to switch to another distro/desktop environment on this computer :\ [17:43] is powermanager already ported to qt4? [17:44] smarter: Riddell has it in bzr somewhere [17:44] smarter: What's the problem with kde4 for you? [17:44] slow, really slow [17:56] * jussi01 huggles kde4 [17:58] apachelogger: how come there's no https://launchpad.net/project-neon ? [17:58] Riddell: I didn't create one, do we need it? [17:59] apachelogger: didn't know you could create a ppa without a lunchpad project [17:59] apachelogger: do you just upload to the right place and it makes one? [18:00] Riddell: it's a normal user PPA [18:00] PPA's are not related to projects at all [18:00] only bzr branches are/can be [18:01] * apachelogger creates amarok-nightly-dev [18:08] oh, but there is https://launchpad.net/~project-neon, duh [18:08] ScottK: no smb4k for KDE 4 yet, they are waiting for 4.1 to be final [18:09] dropping KDE 3 in Intrepid is very unrealistic, sorry...unless devs release their KDE 4 apps before October === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde [18:16] nixternal: hmm? [18:22] nixternal: Do you remember where you found that pinentry-qt4 port? [18:23] ScottK: KDE SVN [18:23] strike back what I said about it being unrealistic...I just went through all of the large KDE/Qt based apps and it seems they have all started the porting process [18:23] BibleTime and smb4k - which are 2 very popular KDE 3/Qt 3 based apps [18:24] porting process has started, and BibleTime already has a KDE 4 alpha which myself or txwikinger will get packaged up [18:24] nixternal: Already working on that [18:24] would be nice to poll our users and see if they plan on using KDE 3 with Intrepid and beyond [18:25] I would hate to pull the rug from under them causing them to go elsewhere [18:25] I think KDE3 should not be dropped in intrepid [18:25] AFAIK no one is doing a klamav port. [18:25] let's get KDE4 stable first [18:26] I thought I'd just be moved to universe eventually, not dropped [18:26] *It'd [18:26] I would say move it to universe for the time being [18:30] apachelogger: where's the code for neon kept? [18:31] svn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/extragear/multimedia/amarok/supplementary_scripts/neon [18:31] Riddell: ^ [18:31] hi [18:31] lots of ruby [18:31] hi amachu! [18:32] after long time i am making it here [18:32] Riddell: HI [18:32] hehe [18:32] Riddell: you know, we love the ruby :D [18:32] Riddell: would like to contribute to merging [18:32] amachu: groovy [18:33] this time I hope to sustain, unlike last time [18:33] :-) [18:33] * txwikinger wonders if we have any patches applied for python [18:34] Python itself of python-qt/kde? [18:34] python itself [18:34] It seems there trademark policy does not allow any modifications if their logo is used [18:34] their [18:35] Riddell: any directions for me to begin? [18:35] I doubt that is intended, but they have written it that way [18:36] amachu: kiosktool? to pick a random small package that should be fairly easy to merge [18:37] Riddell: Sure. I will come up. thank you. [18:53] apachelogger: nice work on neon - is there a reason it doesnt take the theme from kde4? [18:54] jussi01: what do you mean by theme? [18:54] apachelogger: I have a black theme on kde4, one of the defaults. amarok nightly comes out grey... [18:54] well [18:55] for one the possability of incompability [18:55] and for another the existing incompability ;-) [18:57] apachelogger: hrm... ok... here ais a screenshot fyi: http://imagebin.ca/view/BE-uO7F.html [18:57] the blue text looks a little weird [18:57] yeah [18:57] why does that happen -.- [18:58] the neon packages don't include the black theme [18:58] or use different qt settings? [18:58] Riddell: it's supposed to automagically adapt itself to the system color scheme [18:59] jussi01: what color theme are you using? [18:59] Riddell: it technically shouldn't [18:59] and does anyone know about that weird transparent bt on the panel? (see the screenie I just posted) [18:59] and I am unable to reproduce [18:59] though [18:59] the issue appeard some months ago for me [18:59] apachelogger: obsidian coast [18:59] until I included the oxygen theme in neon's kdebase [19:00] jussi01: did you check 'apply to non-kde4'? [19:00] hrm... dunno [19:00] * jussi01 goes to look [19:01] Riddell: the confusing part is, even if Neon's Qt tries to use the desktop color scheme, it should probably fall back to the default in case it can't find it [19:01] ok, I didnt, but now I did and no change - even after amarok nightly restart [19:02] jussi01: well, I doubt it's the desktop colors anyway [19:02] there must be some other issue [19:02] hrm, ok. :/ [19:07] hrm, thats fun, adept/manage repositories closes on "Find Best Server" :/ [19:16] jussi01: Yeah, I'm getting that too [19:53] awen_: guidance-power-manager is in kdereview, are you able to test it? [19:53] _Sime_: could you test it too? I get a crash on exit that I'm curious if others have [19:55] Riddell: what statujs should I set to #210303 ? [19:55] awen_: kdereview ... ? [19:55] bug #210303 [19:55] Launchpad bug 210303 in kaffeine "[hardy] kaffeine loops on "Codec package is already installed"" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210303 [19:56] awen_: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kdereview/ [19:56] <_Sime_> Riddell: where exactly? [19:57] _Sime_: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kdereview/ [19:57] Serega: same status as bug 226475 [19:57] Launchpad bug 226475 in kaffeine "remove dvd code install" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/226475 [19:57] Riddell: do you have a build .deb already? [19:58] awen_: I was hoping you could test that it "compiles" and installs too :) [19:58] Riddell: we should drop the checkbox "enable Zeroconf network browsing" from kcm_kdnssd kcm module [19:59] Riddell: okay ... i'll give it a go sometime this evening [19:59] zeroconf/avahi is now enabled by default and when you click apply it tries to run a script that does'nt exist anymore [20:01] smarter_: that'll sort itself out with KDE 4 [20:01] but that may confuse people for kde3/hardy [20:01] <_Sime_> Riddell: that looks like the old "not destroying KApplication last" problem. [20:02] <_Sime_> Riddell: simple workaround [20:02] <_Sime_> Riddell: make a real main(), and make app global. app will then be the last thing deleted (C++). [20:03] <_Sime_> Riddell: after the window etc is gone. [20:04] Riddell: is that the version ported for kde4? [20:04] Riddell: thanks. and why the patch is not in hardy updates? === gnomefre1k is now known as gnomefreak [20:07] awen_: yes [20:07] Riddell: why was the dvdcss install script removed? [20:07] Serega: it needs to be approved before it gets into hardy-proposed, then wait a week, then into -updates [20:07] smarter_: turns out it was illegal in the US [20:09] Riddell: it's illegal in France too, but nobody care, but why is a command different from a gui? [20:09] we could display a big warning instead [20:10] smarter_: no idea, go ask the judge [20:10] a judge told you to do that? [20:12] not personally, but that's what the case law has shown [20:13] do you have any reference? [20:14] according to wikipedia, libdvdcss is not illegal in the US [20:16] wikipedia != the law [20:17] no, I don't [20:18] _Sime_: groovy, that seems to have sorted it, thanks [20:20] I still don't think that making harder to install it will make it more legal, but ianal... [20:22] smarter_: I don't like it any more than anyone, however that's the rules [20:24] smarter_: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/sounder/2006-February/004420.html [20:24] thanks jdavies/jpatrick [20:25] ..or neither o_9 [20:26] even if these links are mostly about DeCSS which is != from libdvdcss [20:29] Riddell: just looking for the next merge to do, is it worth me tackling kdeadmin or kdebase? [20:30] I was just reading back over the conversation about removing kde3 from intrepid [20:30] haven't read back yet.. but all for it [20:31] Arby: I'd leave the main kde modules for now [20:31] Arby: got kdelibs up thanks, what other ones from you are outstanding for me to process? [20:31] Arby: konversation maybe? [20:33] Riddell: konversation is done and waiting for review [20:34] kdeaccessability and kdeaddons are also outstanding [20:34] I have links if you need them [20:35] Riddell: what would you prefer me to work on [20:35] ktorret? [20:36] ok [20:36] links would be handy [20:36] 2 ticks [20:36] Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeaddons/+bug/227004 [20:36] Launchpad bug 227004 in kdeaddons "Merge kdeaddons 4:3.5.9-1 (main) from Debian Unstable" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [20:37] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeaccessibility/+bug/226839 [20:37] Arby: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out [20:37] erm ok [20:37] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/konversation/+bug/226180 [20:37] Launchpad bug 226180 in konversation "Please merge Konversation 1.0.1-6 (main) from Debian Unstable" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [20:37] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeaccessibility/+bug/226839 [20:37] Launchpad bug 226839 in kdeaccessibility "merge kdeaccessibility 3.5.9-1 (main) from Debian Unstable" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [20:38] Riddell: did you do k3b already? [20:39] Riddell: could you process bug 226818 too? [20:39] Launchpad bug 226818 in tork "Please sync tork 0.28-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/226818 [20:51] Arby: nope [20:51] Riddell: k3b https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3b/+bug/226635 [20:51] Launchpad bug 226635 in k3b "merge k3b 1.0.4-8 (main) from Debian Unstable" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [20:52] that's all of them [20:54] doesn't k3b have kubuntu specific changes? [20:55] like the "install libk3b2-extracodes for mp3 support" === gnomefre1k is now known as gnomefreak [21:06] jdavies: yes [21:07] oh, wait, /me read sync instead of merge [21:08] jeesh, generating RAW XML with ADO.NET and Oracle is a pita [21:17] hmm, debian have removed a build-dep on cdbs for ktorrent, do we still need it? [21:17] also the maintainer has changed from tonio to Debian KDE extras team [21:17] do we need to keep tonio's name somewhere [21:19] just change the XSBC-Original-Maintainer to the value of the debian Maintainer field [21:19] as for cdbs, it depends on the debian/rules, that's where it's used [21:19] Arby: 'update-maintainer' script does the updating automatically [21:20] it's from the ubuntu-dev-tools package [21:20] stdin: ok I'll dig into there then for cdbs [21:20] there is no XSBC-Original-Maintainer field should I add one [21:21] jdavies: thanks I'll install that and have a look [21:21] yes, that script does it for you too [21:21] * Arby man pages [21:27] update-maintainer returns 'Package already maintained by the ubuntu team' [21:27] this is the diff http://paste.ubuntu.com/10604/ [21:29] also, cdbs still appears in debian/rules [21:29] there are lines like 'include /usr/share/cdbs/1/foo' [21:29] at the top of the file [21:31]