[01:08] <vorian> evening :
[01:08] <nosrednaekim> hey
[01:08] <vorian> quiet night eh?
[01:09] <nosrednaekim> yeah
[01:09] <nosrednaekim> right after a relase :)
[01:11] <vorian> :)
[01:51] <daskreech> ho all
[01:55] <vorian> hey
[02:22] <daskreech> hi Hobbsee
[02:34] <Hobbsee> hey daskreech!
[02:35] <daskreech> Hobbsee: How are you?
[02:35] <Hobbsee> doing OK
[02:36] <daskreech> Groovy :)
[02:40] <daskreech> The default compiz stuff in Ubuntu is pretty crisp
[02:44] <nixternal> if you are blind
[02:46] <crimsun> and don't care about system stability.
[02:47] <JontheEchidna> Compiz is a crappy window manager, even if it has nice effects
[02:49] <nixternal> aye, seems I have made our college's LUG advisor quit...I replied to his email with the Ubuntu CoC about stepping down :)
[02:52] <daskreech> I never said it was smart :) I said it was crisp
[02:52] <daskreech> they have nice defaults
[02:56] <Hobbsee> nixternal: oh dera.  more stepping down
[02:57] <nixternal> maybe I need to step down so I can be cool again!
[02:57] <daskreech> nixternal is plenty cool
[02:57] <daskreech> He's blamable :)
[03:12] <ScottK> I've seen compiz on other people's computers and not once have I thought "I want that".
[03:14] <JontheEchidna> KWin effects are sufficient for me
[03:15] <JontheEchidna> Desktop grid is more useful than the cube imo
[03:20]  * Hobbsee has both
[03:21] <daskreech> who's building 4.1 ?
[03:23] <daskreech> Woah
[03:23] <daskreech> MythTV is a Qt App ?
[04:23] <daskreech> Is it me or when I install apps in KDE3 in hardy they don't update the menu
[04:23] <daskreech> or is that just a live CD thing?
[04:24] <ScottK> It's either your or a live CD thing.  workforme.
[04:26] <daskreech> I asked cause I'm in gnome now and it's doing the same thing
[06:13]  * nixternal wonders if he should join the kubuntu-de team for 5-a-day :)
[06:13] <nixternal> Kubuntu DE totally rocks!
[06:13] <daSkreecH> Ha ha
[06:28] <daSkreecH> argh Why does middle click must kmix?
[06:28] <daSkreecH> it's annoying
[06:29] <daSkreecH> Mute
[06:34] <nixternal> hahaha vorian, you are on the suckah board with me :p
[06:58] <skreech_> am I the only person who has the keyboard disappear in KDE4 ?
[06:59] <nixternal> ahh, just because you don't wash your hands and your keyboard runs away from you, don't blame it on KDE 4
[06:59] <nixternal> typical GNOME user attitude right there :p
[06:59] <skreech_> I wash my ... well my keyboard doesn't run away so there :-P
[06:59] <nixternal> heh
[06:59] <skreech_> If I wait like 20 minutes it will magically work again
[07:00] <nixternal> I haven't had that problem, but I have had the stuck key problem in both KDE 3 and KDE 4
[07:00] <nixternal> more so in KDE 3 though that I can remember
[07:00] <skreech_> Or I could opt to restart the machine
[07:00] <skreech_> e ?
[07:02] <nixternal> shoot, pretty much every key
[07:02] <nixternal> w was a recent one that i can remember
[07:02] <nixternal> as well as m maybe
[07:02] <skreech_> which works?
[07:02] <skreech_>  cause I can get the FN keys to work
[07:03] <skreech_> everything else is pretty much dead
[07:03] <skreech_> I did get those to die once :)
[07:03] <nixternal> everything is working for me
[07:03] <nixternal> !worksforme
[07:03] <nixternal> no, it should work! for everyone! that is Microsoft's philosophy, and look how large they have gotten!
[07:05] <skreech_> fat cows
[07:05] <skreech_> we should be more like SCO
[07:05] <skreech_> ^_^
[07:06] <skreech_> ahh flames!! Pitchforks!!
[07:06] <nixternal> heh, my buddy worked for them until recently
[07:07] <nixternal> SCO had a majority of the US hospitals on contracts for their systems
[07:07] <nixternal> so there is a big thing for Ubuntu to jump on, US hospitals, or are they scared of the US health system?
[07:07] <nixternal> wimps!
[07:09] <skreech_> I would be :)
[07:10] <skreech_> Unless I was a health insurance company I guess
[07:12] <nixternal> speaking of which, they are trying to screw my mother right now after her heart attack last year
[07:13] <DASkreech> Yep
[07:14] <DASkreech> They had a story on BBC of this woman who had cancer three times and now she just doesn't go to the doctor
[07:16] <nixternal> careful on what you hear about all of that stuff...there are cancer clinics in the US that take care of all people no matter their financial or insurance situation
[07:17] <nixternal> my cousin has/had cancer, however that works, without a dime to his name, nor insurance, and he hasn't paid a dime for any of his treatments, and neither have the tax payers
[07:17] <DASkreech> research centers?
[07:17] <nixternal> we have those, but the big things are the non-profit cancer treatment centers in the US
[07:18] <nixternal> I don't have a job nor insurance, but I get treated when I am sick
[07:18] <nixternal> people who live int he sticks may not have easy access to that type of stuff, and they are the ones who typically complain
[07:18] <DASkreech> heehee the sticks :)
[07:18] <nixternal> our insurance companies, now that is a different story
[07:19] <nixternal> they will kill you if the can just to save a dollar
[07:19] <nixternal> s/the/they
[07:20] <nixternal> in Chicago, it is like 65% of the population isn't insured
[07:20] <nixternal> granted they have Stroger/Cook County hospital to go die for free, but still :)
[07:20] <nixternal> I don't care how bad off I was, I will not go to either of those hospitals
[07:20] <nixternal> take me out back and get rid of me like a wounded animal
[07:21] <DASkreech> They cheney way
[07:21] <nixternal> haha
[07:21] <nixternal> I watched that Dixie Chicks documentary today on tv, have to admit that was pretty good
[07:22] <nixternal> they got one in good on cheney
[07:23] <nixternal> the one girl wore a t-shirt that had 'FUTK' on it for FU Toby Keith...so someone in the audience who hated them for what they said years ago in England wore a shirt that said FUDC for the Dixie Chicks
[07:23] <nixternal> but the lead singer said "what did dick cheney have to do with it?"
[07:23] <nixternal> haha, she pwnd that dude
[07:23] <nixternal> anywho, i am tired and rambling nonsense now
[07:23]  * nixternal sleeps
[07:23] <nixternal> g'nite
[07:23] <DASkreech> night
[08:37] <awen_> !info libqt4-gui intrepid
[08:42] <awen_> hmm, ubottu is asleep .... are we going to update http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/intrepid/qt4-x11 to the 4.4.0~rc1 sometime soon (a sync from debian?)
[10:25] <Riddell> awen_: I'm waiting for qt 4.4 to be released (sometime today)
[10:26] <awen_> Riddell: even cooler :)
[10:27] <Riddell> awen_: infact it looks like it's out now
[10:28] <hads> Sweet
[10:28] <awen_> Riddell: what a timing ... wasn't out when i looked an hour ago or so
[11:31] <GNUton> Hi
[11:32] <GNUton> i'm looking for kde4.1alpha1 packages for gutsy.
[11:32] <Riddell> GNUton: there aren't any
[11:32] <jussi01> !test
[11:33] <GNUton> Riddell: ok, thank you.
[11:34] <jussi01> awen_: we have no intrepid info yet. if you care to provide a source.list for itthen I can add it in :)
[11:34] <awen_> jussi01: huh?
[11:35] <awen_> jussi01: ahh ... sources.list for ubottu ?
[11:35] <jussi01> awen_: see your comments ~3 hours ago...
[11:35] <jussi01> awen_:yeah
[11:35] <jussi01> awen_: Im curently running it ;)
[11:36] <awen_> jussi01: just copy the sources.list for hardy and "s/hardy/intrepid/"
[11:36] <jussi01> awen_: ahh, so its all the same then. :)
[11:37] <jussi01> stdin: we need to do this sometime soonish :)
[11:37] <awen_> jussi01: yeah :)
[11:38] <stdin> jussi01: I already have a intrepid sources.list there, just fails miserably
[11:38] <jussi01> stdin: ahh... what is it called?
[11:38] <jussi01> intrepid.list ?
[11:39] <stdin> yeah
[11:39] <jussi01> hrmm, what was that config variable again...
[11:40] <stdin> the default release to search?
[11:40] <stdin> @search searchorder
[11:41] <stdin> !info gcc intrepid
[12:11] <jussi01> doh! he left...
[12:11] <jussi01> !info libqt4-gui intrepid
[14:42] <smarter> hey all
[14:45] <smarter> Riddell: can I create a bzr branch for desktop-effects-kde?
[14:47] <Riddell> smarter: should already be one somewhere
[14:48] <Riddell> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-users/guidance/desktop-effects-kde
[14:49] <smarter> Riddell: thanks, I'll commit some bugfixes later
[14:50] <Riddell> groovy
[14:53] <Riddell> qt 4.4 is a beast
[15:10] <awen_> yeah ... just looking at the qt4.4~rc1 in debian had an amazingly number of binary packages
[15:29] <Serega> hi there
[15:40] <Riddell> hi Serega
[15:43] <Riddell> it works!
[16:04] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: ping
[16:15] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: pong
[16:15] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: today is a bad day, i have to go to a meeting soon
[16:15] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: ok then
[16:18] <smarter> Riddell: why does desktop-effects-kde use Build-Depends-Indep instead of Build-Depends? Lintian is not happy
[16:18] <jdavies> Hobbsee: ^
[16:18] <Riddell> smarter: why is lintian not happy?
[16:19] <Riddell> smarter: it shouldn't matter, I don't mind having it changed
[16:19] <smarter> E: desktop-effects-kde source: clean-should-be-satisfied-by-build-depends debhelper
[16:19] <smarter> ok, I'll change it then
[16:19] <Riddell> who runs ubottu?
[16:20] <jdavies> Riddell: jussio1 but, we're helping some problems with the Webcal plugin for -meeting
[16:21] <jdavies> seems to have the desire to change it for ALL channel
[16:21] <jdavies> -s*
[16:22] <Hobbsee> jdavies: *sigh*
[16:24] <jdavies> damn
[16:27] <Riddell> anyone want to package http://code.google.com/p/arora/ ?
[16:28] <smarter> wow, looks cool
[16:35] <smarter> Riddell: I'll do it
[16:35] <smarter> do we already have Qt4.4 in the repos?
[16:36] <Riddell> smarter: it's currently glogging up my upstream bandwidth
[16:36] <Riddell> clogging
[16:36] <Riddell> smarter: but you can probably use 4.4 rc 1 in my ppa
[16:36] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: hows that work with current 4.3 packages?
[16:36] <smarter> ok
[16:36] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: which?
[16:36] <nosrednaekim> does it install to a separate DIR?
[16:37] <Riddell> no
[16:37] <nosrednaekim> qt4.4
[16:37] <Riddell> new version of the same thing
[16:38] <nosrednaekim> I meant the 4.4 packages in general, and the possible conflict with the 4.3 packages
[16:41] <Riddell> libqt4-core is now libqtcore4
[16:41] <Riddell> same for -gui
[16:41] <Riddell> -webkit and -svg added
[16:43] <nosrednaekim> ok
[16:45] <bobesponja> Riddell: smarter you might be interested in this instead of arora http://gitorious.org/projects/foxkit more KDEish
[16:47] <Riddell> gosh, loads of browsers
[16:48] <smarter> thanks bobesponja
[16:48] <bobesponja> he's working with the student that works on webkit part gsoc for making foxkit use it
[16:48] <bobesponja> smarter: welcome :)
[16:48] <bobesponja> *webkitpart
[16:49] <smarter> Riddell: rev30 commited in desktop-effects-kde ;)
[16:56] <nosrednaekim> smarter: whats this?
[16:56] <smarter> nosrednaekim: what's what?
[16:57] <smarter> I've made some bugfixes for https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-users/guidance/desktop-effects-kde and commited a new revision
[17:02] <nosrednaekim> oh.. ok.. thanks smarter :)
[17:21] <ScottK> Riddell: Is it worth merging KDE3 from Debian?
[17:21] <Riddell> ScottK: I don't think so
[17:22] <Riddell> only packages where we don't have a kde 4 version
[17:22] <Riddell> so amarok or the like sure
[17:22] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  Thanks.  What about stuff like the libs package that has external rdepends?
[17:23] <Riddell> libs package?
[17:23] <ScottK> What is it, kde4libs?
[17:23] <Riddell> well that's kde 4
[17:23] <Riddell> kdelibs (kde3) I'm merging now
[17:23] <Riddell> actually Arby already did it, I'm just fixing some autofoo
[17:24] <ScottK> OK.  Yes.  That one.
[17:25] <ScottK> I get 673 rdepends on Hardy.
[17:25] <Riddell> ScottK: for kdelibs?
[17:26] <ScottK> For kdelibs4c2a
[17:26] <Riddell> ScottK: what about kdebase?
[17:26]  * ScottK looks
[17:29] <ScottK> That looks a lot more manageable.  66 most of which look like they are core KDE.
[17:29] <ScottK> There are a few though.
[17:29] <ScottK> Then there's some odd stuff too.  kblogger-kde4 build-deps on kdebase-dev
[17:29] <Riddell> apt-cache rdepends kdebase-data counts 45
[17:30] <ScottK> apt-cache rdpends kdebase gets 65
[17:31] <Riddell> maybe rdepends isn't as clever as I'm assuming
[17:31] <Riddell> k3b could be a problem
[17:31] <ScottK> amarok build-deps on kdebase-dev
[17:31] <Riddell> hum
[17:32] <ScottK> At least according to grep-dctrl
[17:32] <ScottK> compiz does too.
[17:32] <Riddell> that'll be for kwin
[17:33] <ScottK> It looks like a lot of the kdebase-dev build-deps are droppable, but I'm pretty sure not all.
[17:34] <Riddell> mm
[17:34] <Riddell> apachelogger: any idea if amarok can live without kdebase-dev?
[17:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: pretty much, IIRC it's only needed for the konqueror sidebar plugin
[17:35] <Riddell> ah, ok
[17:36] <smarter> why do you want to drop kdebase-dev rdepends?
[17:36] <ScottK> Is there a KDE4 replacement for smb4k?
[17:37] <ScottK> smarter: Trying to see how realistic it is to get large chunks of KDE3 removed during Intrepid.
[17:40] <smarter> we're really going to remove kde3? I think we should wait for intrepid+1 at least, my computer who is running fine with kde 3.5 can't handle kde 4.0 nor 4.1
[17:41] <ScottK> The seems to be the plan.
[17:41] <ScottK> The/That
[17:43] <smarter> then I'll have to switch to another distro/desktop environment on this computer :\
[17:43] <smarter> is powermanager already ported to qt4?
[17:44] <ScottK> smarter: Riddell has it in bzr somewhere
[17:44] <ScottK> smarter: What's the problem with kde4 for you?
[17:44] <smarter> slow, really slow
[17:56]  * jussi01 huggles kde4
[17:58] <Riddell> apachelogger: how come there's no https://launchpad.net/project-neon ?
[17:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: I didn't create one, do we need it?
[17:59] <Riddell> apachelogger: didn't know you could create a ppa without a lunchpad project
[17:59] <Riddell> apachelogger: do you just upload to the right place and it makes one?
[18:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: it's a normal user PPA
[18:00] <apachelogger> PPA's are not related to projects at all
[18:00] <apachelogger> only bzr branches are/can be
[18:01]  * apachelogger creates amarok-nightly-dev
[18:08] <Riddell> oh, but there is https://launchpad.net/~project-neon, duh
[18:08] <nixternal> ScottK: no smb4k for KDE 4 yet, they are waiting for 4.1 to be final
[18:09] <nixternal> dropping KDE 3 in Intrepid is very unrealistic, sorry...unless devs release their KDE 4 apps before October
[18:16] <Riddell> nixternal: hmm?
[18:22] <ScottK> nixternal: Do you remember where you found that pinentry-qt4 port?
[18:23] <nixternal> ScottK: KDE SVN
[18:23] <nixternal> strike back what I said about it being unrealistic...I just went through all of the large KDE/Qt based apps and it seems they have all started the porting process
[18:23] <nixternal> BibleTime and smb4k - which are 2 very popular KDE 3/Qt 3 based apps
[18:24] <nixternal> porting process has started, and BibleTime already has a KDE 4 alpha which myself or txwikinger will get packaged up
[18:24] <txwikinger> nixternal: Already working on that
[18:24] <nixternal> would be nice to poll our users and see if they plan on using KDE 3 with Intrepid and beyond
[18:25] <nixternal> I would hate to pull the rug from under them causing them to go elsewhere
[18:25] <txwikinger> I think KDE3 should not be dropped in intrepid
[18:25] <ScottK> AFAIK no one is doing a klamav port.
[18:25] <txwikinger> let's get KDE4 stable first
[18:26] <stdin> I thought I'd just be moved to universe eventually, not dropped
[18:26] <stdin> *It'd
[18:26] <nixternal> I would say move it to universe for the time being
[18:30] <Riddell> apachelogger: where's the code for neon kept?
[18:31] <apachelogger> svn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/extragear/multimedia/amarok/supplementary_scripts/neon
[18:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: ^
[18:31] <amachu> hi
[18:31] <Riddell> lots of ruby
[18:31] <Riddell> hi amachu!
[18:32] <amachu> after long time i am making it here
[18:32] <amachu> Riddell: HI
[18:32] <apachelogger> hehe
[18:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: you know, we love the ruby :D
[18:32] <amachu> Riddell: would like to contribute to merging
[18:32] <Riddell> amachu: groovy
[18:33] <amachu> this time I hope to sustain, unlike last time
[18:33] <amachu> :-)
[18:33]  * txwikinger wonders if we have any patches applied for python
[18:34] <ScottK> Python itself of python-qt/kde?
[18:34] <txwikinger> python itself
[18:34] <txwikinger> It seems there trademark policy does not allow any modifications if their logo is used
[18:34] <txwikinger> their
[18:35] <amachu> Riddell: any directions for me to begin?
[18:35] <txwikinger> I doubt that is intended, but they have written it that way
[18:36] <Riddell> amachu: kiosktool?  to pick a random small package that should be fairly easy to merge
[18:37] <amachu> Riddell: Sure. I will come up. thank you.
[18:53] <jussi01> apachelogger: nice work on neon - is there a reason it doesnt take the theme from kde4?
[18:54] <apachelogger> jussi01: what do you mean by theme?
[18:54] <jussi01> apachelogger: I have a black theme on kde4, one of the defaults. amarok nightly comes out grey...
[18:54] <apachelogger> well
[18:55] <apachelogger> for one the possability of incompability
[18:55] <apachelogger> and for another the existing incompability ;-)
[18:57] <jussi01> apachelogger: hrm... ok... here ais a screenshot fyi: http://imagebin.ca/view/BE-uO7F.html
[18:57] <jussi01> the blue text looks a little weird
[18:57] <apachelogger> yeah
[18:57] <apachelogger> why does that happen -.-
[18:58] <Riddell> the neon packages don't include the black theme
[18:58] <Riddell> or use different qt settings?
[18:58] <smarter> Riddell: it's supposed to automagically adapt itself to the system color scheme
[18:59] <apachelogger> jussi01: what color theme are you using?
[18:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: it technically shouldn't
[18:59] <jussi01> and does anyone know about that weird transparent bt on the panel? (see the screenie I just posted)
[18:59] <apachelogger> and I am unable to reproduce
[18:59] <apachelogger> though
[18:59] <apachelogger> the issue appeard some months ago for me
[18:59] <jussi01> apachelogger: obsidian coast
[18:59] <apachelogger> until I included the oxygen theme in neon's kdebase
[19:00] <apachelogger> jussi01: did you check 'apply to non-kde4'?
[19:00] <jussi01> hrm... dunno
[19:00]  * jussi01 goes to look
[19:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: the confusing part is, even if Neon's Qt tries to use the desktop color scheme, it should probably fall back to the default in case it can't find it
[19:01] <jussi01> ok, I didnt, but now I did and no change - even after amarok nightly restart
[19:02] <apachelogger> jussi01: well, I doubt it's the desktop colors anyway
[19:02] <apachelogger> there must be some other issue
[19:02] <jussi01> hrm, ok. :/
[19:07] <jussi01> hrm, thats fun, adept/manage repositories closes on "Find Best Server" :/
[19:16] <JontheEchidna> jussi01: Yeah, I'm getting that too
[19:53] <Riddell> awen_: guidance-power-manager is in kdereview, are you able to test it?
[19:53] <Riddell> _Sime_: could you test it too?  I get a crash on exit that I'm curious if others have
[19:55] <Serega> Riddell: what statujs should I set to #210303 ?
[19:55] <awen_> awen_: kdereview ... ?
[19:55] <Serega> bug #210303
[19:56] <Riddell> awen_: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kdereview/
[19:56] <_Sime_> Riddell: where exactly?
[19:57] <Riddell> _Sime_: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kdereview/
[19:57] <Riddell> Serega: same status as bug 226475
[19:57] <awen_> Riddell: do you have a build .deb already?
[19:58] <Riddell> awen_: I was hoping you could test that it "compiles" and installs too :)
[19:58] <smarter_> Riddell: we should drop the checkbox "enable Zeroconf network browsing" from kcm_kdnssd kcm module
[19:59] <awen_> Riddell: okay ... i'll give it a go sometime this evening
[19:59] <smarter_> zeroconf/avahi is now enabled by default and when you click apply it tries to run a script that does'nt exist anymore
[20:01] <Riddell> smarter_: that'll sort itself out with KDE 4
[20:01] <smarter_> but that may confuse people for kde3/hardy
[20:01] <_Sime_> Riddell: that looks like the old "not destroying KApplication last" problem.
[20:02] <_Sime_> Riddell: simple workaround
[20:02] <_Sime_> Riddell: make a real main(), and make app global. app will then be the last thing deleted (C++).
[20:03] <_Sime_> Riddell: after the window etc is gone.
[20:04] <awen_> Riddell: is that the version ported for kde4?
[20:04] <Serega> Riddell: thanks. and why the patch is not in hardy updates?
[20:07] <Riddell> awen_: yes
[20:07] <smarter_> Riddell: why was the dvdcss install script removed?
[20:07] <Riddell> Serega: it needs to be approved before it gets into hardy-proposed, then wait a week, then into -updates
[20:07] <Riddell> smarter_: turns out it was illegal in the US
[20:09] <smarter_> Riddell: it's illegal in France too, but nobody care, but why is a command different from a gui?
[20:09] <smarter_> we could display a big warning instead
[20:10] <Riddell> smarter_: no idea, go ask the judge
[20:10] <smarter_> a judge told you to do that?
[20:12] <Riddell> not personally, but that's what the case law has shown
[20:13] <smarter_> do you have any reference?
[20:14] <smarter_> according to wikipedia, libdvdcss is not illegal in the US
[20:16] <jdavies> wikipedia != the law
[20:17] <Riddell> no, I don't
[20:18] <Riddell> _Sime_: groovy, that seems to have sorted it, thanks
[20:20] <smarter_> I still don't think that making harder to install it will make it more legal, but ianal...
[20:22] <Riddell> smarter_: I don't like it any more than anyone, however that's the rules
[20:24] <jdavies> smarter_: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/sounder/2006-February/004420.html
[20:24] <smarter_> thanks jdavies/jpatrick
[20:25] <jdavies> ..or neither o_9
[20:26] <smarter_> even if these links are mostly about DeCSS which is != from libdvdcss
[20:29] <Arby> Riddell: just looking for the next merge to do, is it worth me tackling kdeadmin or kdebase?
[20:30] <Arby> I was just reading back over the conversation about removing kde3 from intrepid
[20:30] <yuriy> haven't read back yet.. but all for it
[20:31] <Riddell> Arby: I'd leave the main kde modules for now
[20:31] <Riddell> Arby: got kdelibs up thanks, what other ones from you are outstanding for me to process?
[20:31] <Riddell> Arby: konversation maybe?
[20:33] <Arby> Riddell: konversation is done and waiting for review
[20:34] <Arby> kdeaccessability and kdeaddons are also outstanding
[20:34] <Arby> I have links if you need them
[20:35] <Arby> Riddell: what would you prefer me to work on
[20:35] <Riddell> ktorret?
[20:36] <Arby> ok
[20:36] <Riddell> links would be handy
[20:36] <Arby> 2 ticks
[20:36] <Arby> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeaddons/+bug/227004
[20:37] <Arby> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeaccessibility/+bug/226839
[20:37] <Arby> erm ok
[20:37] <Arby> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/konversation/+bug/226180
[20:37] <Arby> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeaccessibility/+bug/226839
[20:38] <Arby> Riddell: did you do k3b already?
[20:39] <jdavies> Riddell: could you process bug 226818 too?
[20:51] <Riddell> Arby: nope
[20:51] <Arby> Riddell: k3b https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3b/+bug/226635
[20:52] <Arby> that's all of them
[20:54] <jdavies> doesn't k3b have kubuntu specific changes?
[20:55] <jdavies> like the "install libk3b2-extracodes for mp3 support"
[21:06] <Riddell> jdavies: yes
[21:07] <jdavies> oh, wait, /me read sync instead of merge
[21:08] <nixternal> jeesh, generating RAW XML with ADO.NET and Oracle is a pita
[21:17] <Arby> hmm, debian have removed a build-dep on cdbs for ktorrent, do we still need it?
[21:17] <Arby> also the maintainer has changed from tonio to Debian KDE extras team
[21:17] <Arby> do we need to keep tonio's name somewhere
[21:19] <stdin> just change the XSBC-Original-Maintainer to the value of the debian Maintainer field
[21:19] <stdin> as for cdbs, it depends on the debian/rules, that's where it's used
[21:19] <jdavies> Arby: 'update-maintainer' script does the updating automatically
[21:20] <jdavies> it's from the ubuntu-dev-tools package
[21:20] <Arby> stdin: ok I'll dig into there then for cdbs
[21:20] <Arby> there is no XSBC-Original-Maintainer field should I add one
[21:21] <Arby> jdavies: thanks I'll install that and have a look
[21:21] <jdavies> yes, that script does it for you too
[21:21]  * Arby man pages
[21:27] <Arby> update-maintainer returns 'Package already maintained by the ubuntu team'
[21:27] <Arby> this is the diff http://paste.ubuntu.com/10604/
[21:29] <Arby> also, cdbs still appears in debian/rules
[21:29] <Arby> there are lines like 'include /usr/share/cdbs/1/foo'
[21:29] <Arby> at the top of the file
[21:31] <awen_> anyone has some litterature of the best way to build a kde module from svn? (is it automated in any way?)
[21:33] <jdavies> Arby: creepy
[21:34] <Arby> jdavies: which part?
[21:36] <jdavies> all..
[21:36] <jdavies> well the "already maintained" part
[21:38] <Arby> suggestions welcome, I don't know what to do with that
[21:38] <Arby> and tonio isn't here to ask
[21:40] <Arby> shouldn't Maintainer be Ubuntu-core-developers
[21:40] <Arby> then XSBC-Original-Maintainer: Debian KDE Extras Team
[21:41] <Arby> I thought we didn't have individual maintainers in Kubuntu, just teams
[21:41] <smarter_> Riddell: when you have some time, could you please review and upload desktop-effects-kde from the bzr branches?
[21:42] <smarter_> awen_: try http://techbase.kde.org
[21:45] <_Sime> sebas: ping
[21:50] <Arby> can someone tell me what this is http://paste.ubuntu.com/10610/ ?
[21:50] <Arby> it looks like a man page source coorect?
[21:50] <Arby> *correct even
[21:50] <smarter_> yes
[21:50] <Arby> thanks, never seen one before
[22:00] <Arby> what is a debian/series file? the order in which patches are applied.
[22:02] <stdin> if you mean debian/patches/series, then yes, it's used by quilt
[22:03] <Arby> yes, that's what I meant, typo
[22:04] <Arby> and if debian/patches contains a patch that is not listed in debian/patches/series is that important.
[22:04] <stdin> it just won't be applied
[22:04] <Arby> ok
[22:12] <Riddell> Arby: series is only used by dpatch and quilt, simple-patchsys apples anything in the directory
[22:13] <Arby> Riddell: debian have added a build-dep on quilt for ktorrent
[22:13] <Riddell> right
[22:13] <Arby> although I'm still battling with the control file
[22:14] <Arby> this is the diff http://paste.ubuntu.com/10604/
[22:14] <Arby> Riddell: ^^ any suggestions appreciated
[22:14] <Riddell> Arby: take the debian one
[22:14] <Riddell> change the maintainer in the usual way
[22:15] <Riddell> check that all the build-deps are in main
[22:15] <Riddell> sorted
[22:15] <Arby> thanks
[22:17] <Arby> Riddell: debian/rules refers to cdbs but the build-dep on cdbs has been removed, is that going to cause problems?
[22:18] <Riddell> I'd have thought so
[22:19] <Arby> this looks a bit like that mangled rules file I had the other day
[22:19] <Arby> let me pastebin it
[22:20] <Arby> Riddell: untouched rules file http://paste.ubuntu.com/10616/
[22:20] <Arby> a mixture of cdbs and the other one I can't remember (debhelper?)
[22:22] <awen_> Riddell: when trying to build gpm using cmake i get the following error: CMakeLists.txt:7: Unknown CMake command "macro_optional_find_package".
[22:24] <Riddell> awen_: do you have kdelibs5-dev installed?
[22:26] <awen_> Riddell: that's probably it, thanks ... haven't been able to find a list of "common dependencies" for kde modules
[22:29] <Riddell> kdelibs5-dev python-qt4-dev python-kde4
[22:31] <seele> anyone know if there will be a UDS travel page?
[22:31] <Riddell> jcastro might
[22:31] <seele> nm, jcastro told corey to do it lol
[22:32] <Riddell> sounds like it needs a proactive self starter to take on the challenge
[22:32] <jcastro> Well, he was like "it might be a good idea"
[22:32] <jcastro> so I was like "rock on dude."
[22:46] <awen_> Riddell: keeps getting the error ... added kdelibs5-dev python-qt4-dev python-kde4 as well as just about any dependencies from the current kde-guidance
[22:48] <Riddell> oh
[22:48] <Riddell> cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/lib/kde4
[22:54] <Arby> I can't get ktorrent to build, something is wrong in the rules file but I don't know what.
[22:55] <Arby> the error is:
[22:55] <Arby> make: *** No rule to make target `unpatch', needed by `clean'. Stop.
[22:55] <Arby> dpkg-buildpackage: failure: fakeroot debian/rules clean gave error exit status 2
[22:55] <Riddell> Arby: pastebin rules?
[22:55] <Arby> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10616/
[22:55] <Arby> that's the diff
[22:55] <Arby> I took the debian version
[22:56] <Arby> the section after clean:: unpatch is blank
[22:57] <Arby> I tried removing clean:: unpatch altogether but that also fails
[22:58] <Riddell> Arby: what patch system are you using?
[22:59] <Arby> I've installed patchutils and patch from various guides
[22:59] <Arby> is this another variant
[22:59] <Riddell> include /usr/share/quilt/quilt.make
[22:59] <Riddell> the debian one uses quilt
[23:00] <Riddell> if you have that in your rules file it should provide the unpatch target
[23:00] <Arby> ok
[23:01] <Riddell> Arby: do you?
[23:01] <Arby> Riddell: no I don't I've added it and trying again
[23:02] <Arby> Riddell:  results in dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source
[23:03] <Arby> Riddell: lots of lines of dpkg-source: cannot represent change to plugins/infowidget/geoip/FOO.png: binary file contents changed
[23:03] <seele> for UDSers: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Prague/Attendees
[23:03] <Arby> which I haven't touched
[23:05] <Riddell> means those files aren't in the .orig
[23:05]  * awen_ gives up on building gpm for now ... time was obviously already running too late when i started
[23:05] <Riddell> awen_: didn't work with -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/lib/kde4 ?
[23:06] <Arby> Riddell: so I need to re-package the .orig with those in it?
[23:06] <Riddell> Arby: are you using the .orig from debian?
[23:06] <sebas> _Sime: pong
[23:06] <awen_> i suppose it should go as "DEB_CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX = /usr/lib/kde4" in debian/rules ... but that didn't work
[23:07] <Arby> Riddell: I have ktorrent_2.2.6.dfsg.1.orig.tar.gz which I assume is from debian
[23:07] <Arby> it's what grab-merge.sh from MoM gave me
[23:08] <ScottK> seele: Thanks.
[23:08] <Riddell> yes
[23:09] <Riddell> Arby: so where did the plugins/infowidget/geoip/FOO.png files come from?
[23:09] <Arby> I haven't a clue :)
[23:09] <Arby> I'm about to unpack the .orig and see what's there
[23:10] <Riddell> lesspipe will work too
[23:12] <Arby> this is becoming wierd
[23:12] <Arby> after unpacking .orig.tar.gz I find this
[23:12] <Arby> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10627/
[23:13] <Arby> Riddell: ^^
[23:13] <Riddell> but no image files
[23:13] <Riddell> the dfsg will be because they've deleted non-free geoip files
[23:14] <Arby> no, no image files
[23:14] <Arby> so what's the solution. remove them from our package as well?
[23:15] <Riddell> yep
[23:15] <Arby> ok
[23:19] <Arby> Riddell: that did it. builds now
[23:20] <Arby> I had to remove everything bar the 2 Makefiles from that directory
[23:20] <Arby> but at least it builds a source package now
[23:20] <Arby> debdiff incoming in about 5 min
[23:23] <Riddell> awen_: did you compile and install it though?
[23:25] <awen_> Riddell: didn't manage to ... i'm running kde3 atm so my environment isn't really ideal to luckily have the right build-depends installed when i don't know them exactly
[23:29] <Arby> Riddell: debdiff for ktorrent https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktorrent/+bug/227462
[23:29]  * Arby looks for another merge to do tomorrow evening
[23:35]  * Arby is too tired to see the keyboard and goes to sleep instead
[23:35] <jtechidna> nn
[23:38]  * awen_ gives up for tonight too