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sectechgreg-g, what about reporters who abandon there reports? lol (which I am getting the impression this one is doing)00:00
greg-gif they do not respond to requests of information for 60 days you are very welcome to close it (set to invalid)00:00
greg-gif you set the bug to "incomplete" when you ask for information it automatically starts counting down from 60 days for you00:01
greg-g(as long as the bug is not assigned to a person/team, which most times an incomplete bug shouldn't*)00:01
greg-g*there are exceptions, certain applications have different work flows depending on the team00:02
sectechI'm glad that I have a channel to ask...    There will be less questions from me as I get used to this...00:03
sectechmy requests for status requests will be increasing though because I can't mark anything as triaged yet00:04
greg-gsectech: questions are always welcomed00:04
sectechgreg-g, can you mark a bug as triaged for me? :P00:05
greg-gbug number?00:05
sectech22694500:05
greg-gbug 22694500:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 226945 in imagemagick "ImageMagick broken in Hardy" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22694500:05
sectechI'll post a reply stating that there should be enough information for the bug to be looked at and solved by someone in a min00:07
greg-gk, yeah, since it is a programming example the exact problem function is being called so that helps narrow it down00:08
greg-gand it really helped that he tested the latest release and it works there00:08
sectechI need to come up with some common responses for bugs that have been freshly marked as triaged (to go along with the standard ubuntu ones)00:09
greg-gsectech: just for completeness sake I would ask if it worked in Gutsy00:09
sectechalright....00:09
greg-gyou don't always need to comment on a change of status, just fyi, its optional00:09
sectechI know... I just don't like leaving an open comment from someone,  it just seems a little more professional if I let the person know what's going on...00:11
sectechold habits die hard I guess...00:11
greg-g:) thats quite alright00:11
sectechSomeone mentioned that since I don't have the ability to mark bugs as triaged I should mark them as confirmed...  I'm kinda wondering about that though because if it's marked as confirmed doesn't that mean it has been duplicated?00:16
greg-gyeah, or you feel there is enough information provided (logs are a good example) to warrant it00:17
greg-gbut be conservative in those cases00:17
wolfgerare we talking "W" conservative, or Ron Paul conservative? ;-)00:17
greg-gwolfger: "conservation of the environment" conservative :)00:20
sectechthat firefox bug reporter just provided some more information.... It does indeed look like it is a bug00:21
sectechwhich means I was to hasty to change it to a question....00:21
sectech2 tags in an html page that have an embedded wav that doesn't exist, crashes this guys firefox00:22
greg-ginteresting, bug number for that one?00:23
wolfgerI just wanna know why it doesn't crash my FF or yours00:24
sectechbug #22705500:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 227055 in firefox-3.0 "Firefox 3 crash - repeatable example" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22705500:24
greg-gI can't reproduce it either, and I clicked around on the buttons a ton too00:25
greg-greloading every now and then00:26
sectechhmmm it's marked as incomplete as a result of me converting it to a question before...  I'll change it back to incomplete00:28
sectechrather it was marked as invalid... sorry00:28
greg-gyeah, incomplete probably for now, since with a livecd it is not reproducable by the reporter00:29
pwnguinis there a reason bug #137686 isn't marked fix released?00:30
ubottuLaunchpad bug 137686 in linux "[hardy] [gutsy] [regression] (regression from edgy to feisty and to gutsy) tifm_sd module not working and not producing any message in logs" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/13768600:30
seaqhi guys, Markus uploaded a new python-launchpad-bugs package to the ppa solving bug 226949 , but now I'm trying to install 5-a-day applet and it fails for unmet dependency   libbonobo2-bin00:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 226949 in python-launchpad-bugs "[GUTSY] unmet dependency for python-launchpad-bugs" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22694900:31
seaq-00:31
seaqand according to packages ubuntu this one also is for hardy only...00:32
greg-gseaq: you are running gutsy?00:33
seaqyeap...00:34
seaqso I wonder should  I fill a new bug or extend the scope for the reported one...00:34
sectechwolfger, If you look at the firefox log it touches vlc....00:35
sectechwonder if that has anything to do with it00:35
greg-gseaq: should probably ask markus about it00:35
sectechaahhh hah... google has hits on vlc crashing firefox00:38
sectechand the reason why it doesn't crash on my system is because I don't have vlc installed.... I'll try and reproduce this00:39
sectechvlc crashed firefox.... that's the problem00:48
greg-gsectech: seriously, that was the only change?00:56
sectechseriously.00:56
greg-ggood deal00:59
greg-g(that you found it)00:59
sectechyep: I think I have found my way to contribute to ubuntu...  triage bugs it is....01:00
sectechYou sure get a lot of email doing this...haha01:00
sectechIf someone could mark that bug I was working on as triaged (bug #227055) that would be great01:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 227055 in vlc "Firefox 3 crash - repeatable example" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22705501:09
gnomefreaksectech: is it confirmed or so you need someone to confirm?01:22
gnomefreaksectech: we need a bzcktrace on that bug or its useless just because vlc is causing it or appears to be causing it doesnt mean anything until we know why. Im marking it as incomplete only because we need a backtrace or strace of the issue to confirm it, please seehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/States?highlight=(mozilla) for more info on how Mozilla team does thier status on bugs, please feel free to join #ubuntu-mozillateam if01:27
Igorotgood morning!01:36
gnomefreaksectech: i updated the bug the backtrace he did didnt show a crash so i asked for updated.01:36
gnomefreakgood evening Igorot01:36
secretlondonIgorot, good very early morning and I should really be in bed01:36
Igorotheh, i'm in southeast asia01:37
gnomefreakgood night everyone :)01:37
sectechwait01:38
Igorotbye gnomefreak!01:38
sectechsorry01:38
sectechI stepped away01:38
gnomefreaksectech: im here01:38
sectechI'm just reading what you typed.. 2 secs01:38
gnomefreakwe cant really confirm that bug without a good backtrace or be able to triage upstream in some way01:38
sectechOkay fair enough....01:39
sectechI see where your coming from.01:39
gnomefreaksectech: i will test it again tomorrow and get the rest of the team to try01:39
sectechOkay thanks :)01:39
gnomefreaksectech: i just need something to say it crashed due to ......01:39
gnomefreakhave a good day/night01:39
sectechmakes sense...01:40
sectechhave a good night01:40
gnomefreak20:44 <      gnomefreak > the vlc guys might beable to use that since it does  remove the interfaces i will update my statements01:48
gnomefreak20:47 <      gnomefreak > sei updaed it sorry its kind of late here atleast its  been a veery long day i thought it was still on  firefox-3 so lets see what vlc bug triager says im  still gonna get the team to see if its reproducable.  i updated everything on bug.01:48
gnomefreak20:48 <      gnomefreak > oops01:48
gnomefreaksectech: sorry wrong channel for the above comments ther eshould have been here01:48
gnomefreaknight01:48
sectechokay01:49
sectechI don't think i'm going to run any traces tonight... kinda tired at the moment...01:55
sectechActually I'm done for tonight... I'll be back tomorrow01:57
sectechnight folks01:57
felipe__Hello, I'm considering doing bug triage and I want to know how much time does it takes to do this for one bug :):)03:02
secretlondonfelipe__, depends on the bug!03:02
felipe__Ok, do I need to download a special package from the repos to do triaging?03:05
secretlondonno03:06
secretlondonthe information is on the wiki03:07
secretlondonhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad03:08
felipe__should this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gimp/+bug/159778 change from new to triaged, it seems it confirmed, and that the reporter was going to report it upstream....03:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 159778 in gimp "Gimp "Save a Copy" Screen is Blank" [Low,New]03:33
JohnPhysShould nvidia-settings ask for your password before running?  I think it should, as otherwise (such as currently in Hardy) it can't write changes to the xorg.conf file that someone might want to make.04:06
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greg-gfelipe__: they haven't reported it upstream yet (I looked and couldn't find it) and it still doesn't have a direct cause/set a always reproducible steps04:14
JohnPhysIs there anyone here familiar enough with nvidia-settings (or privelidge escalation) that can help with Bug #200868 ?  It's seems to be a decent-sized usability issue for people that choose the proprietary nvidia driver.04:17
ubottuLaunchpad bug 200868 in nvidia-settings "nvidia-settings doesn't have permissions to write xorg.conf" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20086804:17
RAOFJohnPhys: The counterpoint is that nvidia-settings has sufficient privelages to do everything else.04:28
RAOFJohnPhys: I've never missed the lack of root access in nvidia-settings, and I've used it quite a lot.04:28
JohnPhysRAOF:  Understandable, but something should be done at least, if only to add a message "please run as sudo from the terminal" or something, so that users know why it's not saving to xorg.conf04:29
RAOFJohnPhys: The problem there, of course, is that we don't have the code :(04:30
RAOFRight?04:30
JohnPhysor add an escalation "prompt" to that specific task only, and let the rest of the application run as a recular user.04:30
RAOFIf we _did_ have the code, that would be my response, yes.04:30
RAOFOh, maybe we do have the code.  It seems to be in universe, not restricted.04:31
JohnPhysRAOF:  I don't know what we have access to with nvidia-settings, I know for sure we don't have access to the driver code :(.04:31
JohnPhysRAOF: Yes, it's in universe.  Also, good ol' vrms doesn't complain about it :)04:32
RAOFYeah; I was confused because nvidia-settings used to be bundled with the driver.  It looks like we have the code for nvidia settings, so that's how it should be handled.04:33
JohnPhysRAOF:  Alrighty.  Any idea who can be asked/persuaded to make the relevant changes?  I remember reading about issues ppl had with nvidia "not remembering settings", I wonder if this is related (such as twinview setups and such).04:36
RAOFJohnPhys: Stick it in the bug report.04:40
RAOFI have no idea who's upstream for nvidia-settings.  Presumably it's nvidia.04:40
JohnPhysI looked at the recent changelog, looks like lots of diff ppl have applied patches and repackaged it, not sure who's responsible for it though.04:41
RAOFHeh.04:41
RAOFLaunchpad will hit the right people.04:42
RAOFEventually.04:42
JohnPhysHopefully.  I'm not going to add to the bug report though, as I don't remember where I read such complaints, and don't want to spam the list with (potentially) unrelated info.04:46
JohnPhysThanks for the discussion though.04:46
lifelessRAOF: hitting everyone doesn't count!04:49
RAOFlifeless: But is a perfectly valid search strategy!05:00
RAOFHit everyone until someone says 'ow' in the right way!05:00
JohnPhysRAOF:  I'd hate to be your patient if you were a doctor :P05:00
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HewusIf I can reproduce a bug (#131192) filed as 'firefox' on firefox-3.0, can I confirm it for firefox, or should I also add firefox-3.0 as new?07:19
techno_freakHewus, confirm the bug07:26
techno_freakHewus, if you can confirm it for 3.0 also, then add it to the affected packages07:27
LaschWkmail fails initiating TLS: "kio_imap: WARNING: TLS mode setup has failed.  Aborting."07:29
LaschWAnyone else faced this?07:29
LaschWThere is a a gentoo bugreport against libssl0.9.8: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19891407:30
ubottubugs.gentoo.org bug 198914 in Ebuilds "dev-libs/openssl-0.9.8g failure with SSLv3 handshakes when enable-tlsext" [Normal,Reopened]07:30
Hewustechno_freak: done, thank you :-)08:10
techno_freakHewus, welcome :)08:11
Klessou Is it normal when edit the terminal launcher and I add "sudo" (or "gksudo") before "gnome-terminal" command. I'm using directly the root user without password ... ??09:34
Klessou... in a terminal when I do "sudo gnome-terminal", at the same time I hate to put my password ...09:35
Klessou???09:39
KlessouStrange, the time to do a sudo in a launcher seems higher than the time in a terminal ...09:48
Klessou Strange, the time to do a sudo without password in a launcher seems higher than the time in a terminal ...09:51
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sectechMorning gnomefreak12:01
gnomefreakbug 22705512:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 227055 in vlc "VLC seems to cause Firefox-3.0 to crash repeatedly" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22705512:02
gnomefreakmorning12:02
gnomefreaki think i found out why backtraces didnt show anything12:02
sectechno debugging symbols?12:02
gnomefreakno wrong packages12:02
sectechokay...12:03
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sectechI did a search for vlc crashes in lauchpad  and I think I found a bug that might be related12:04
sectechbug #78725 and bug#11668912:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 78725 in vlc "MASTER firefox crashed [@vfprintf] ... -- libvlc.so.0" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/7872512:05
sectechI'm curious to know if it's the same bug...   The only difference in this case seems to be the media is a .wav12:06
gnomefreaksectech: once i get a backtrace than we car mark it but with what we have isnt enough to say vfprint causing it unless i missed something in bug12:06
gnomefreaksectech: bug 227055 is .wav as well12:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 227055 in vlc "VLC seems to cause Firefox-3.0 to crash repeatedly" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22705512:07
gnomefreakgive me 20-30 minutes i should have everything needed i hope12:07
sectech227055 is the original bug12:07
sectechOkay12:07
sectechI don't have a lot of time to spend on triage today, I just want to make sure the ones I started are being dealt with...12:08
gnomefreaksectech: the mozilla bugs page is up to date now as for the pakcages neeed to debug12:09
qensehere anothere xample of devs using bug reports for their own purposes, but forgetting to edit the status in a right way, so we think it's a normal bug report: bug 22647512:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 226475 in kaffeine "remove dvd code install" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22647512:10
gnomefreaksectech: no worries outside of yard work i planned on working on email and email == 100+ bugs :(12:10
gnomefreakqense: what do you mean devs used it for thier own purpose?12:11
gnomefreak devs fix bugs for everyone not themselves12:11
qensethey post normal bug reports, leave the status at new or incomplete12:11
qenseI used wrong words12:11
james_wqense: yeah, that's unfortunate.12:12
qensebut it makes us think we've got a very bad bug reprot12:12
gnomefreakeveryone has thier own way of doing bugs. mozilla team doesnt use status like everyone else does (just an dexample)12:12
qensebut we should at least make it clear for us that we should leave it alone12:13
gnomefreakhe filied the bug report for that purpose (not really to be triaged12:13
qenses/we/they12:13
qenseyes, but how can I see that?12:13
gnomefreakqense: if you know the devs you know to leave it alone :)12:14
james_wqense: yeah, the problem is that bugs are also used for workflow, and I don't think that in this case the process allowed for anything else to be done until the diffs were ready.12:14
qensebut there are so many :)12:14
gnomefreakclick on his name and it will show you12:14
qensework will take much longer if I have to check all reporters12:14
qenseand what about real bug reports from devs?12:14
james_wperhaps "confirmed" would have worked, but I don't know if this is used for something else by the SRU team.12:15
gnomefreakthat is a real bug report he filied it so he didnt forget about it12:15
qensebut if it would have been a real bug report he shouldn't have set it to confirmed by himself12:15
gnomefreakperhaps he should have set him as assigned to but than that doesnt work for mozillateam so its hard to say12:16
gnomefreakit is a real bug report12:16
gnomefreakits just not one needed to be triaged12:16
qenseI think ti would be the best if we would arrange a meeting about this12:16
gnomefreakif bug team stopped using assigned to space for anyone asking questions than devs can set them to themselves and you would have a fix to the issue12:17
gnomefreakthis would give the new bug triagers a simple answer to who is working on the bug not triaging it12:17
qensethe policy recently has been changed, at first triagers were told to assing themselves to bugs they were triaging, but now it's just for people who work on them12:19
gnomefreakok good it did go back to normal12:19
gnomefreakbrb really have to get backtrace for this bug, sectech im leaning towards this bug being firefox since firefox crashed not vlc vlc might have helped cause the crash say by mem usage but firefox gtk issue and should be fixed in firefox but lets see what i get from backtrace first12:22
sectechgnomefreak,  Okay...  This bug seems to be a good lesson for me,  yesterday was my first day bug triaging...12:23
sectechI learned a LOT yesterday as it was....12:23
gnomefreak:) dont ever stop learning12:23
sectechI tend to think it would be a good thing for a triager to put something in the bug to let people know it is in the process of being triaged...12:24
gnomefreaki do know vlc has what too many depends :(12:24
sectechgnomefreak,  Oh I won't....  I like this! It's really good experience12:24
gnomefreakbrb smoke before running this test again12:24
sectechk12:24
gnomefreakasac: when you get time ping me please if within next 30 minutes i would like you to try to reproduce a vlc/firefox-3 bug12:30
asacgnomefreak: i have time for  you :)12:30
gnomefreak:)12:31
gnomefreakbug 22705512:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 227055 in vlc "VLC seems to cause Firefox-3.0 to crash repeatedly" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22705512:31
asacgnomefreak: do you see that?12:31
gnomefreakasac: backtrace isnt working :( we i might need to fix the wiki12:31
gnomefreakasac: no but i failed to have vlc installed12:31
gnomefreakhttp://dual-n-back.com/nback.html12:32
gnomefreakasac: firefox -g 2>&1 | tee ~/gdb-firefox.log just spawns another page12:32
asacgnomefreak: you need to close all firefox running before doing that12:33
gnomefreakoops12:33
gnomefreakgnomefreak@Hardy:~$ firefox -g 2>&1 | tee ~/gdb-firefox.log12:34
gnomefreakgnomefreak@Hardy:~$ run12:34
gnomefreakbash: run: command not found12:34
gnomefreakgnomefreak@Hardy:~$12:34
gnomefreakasac: doesnt6 matter12:34
gnomefreaki get that no matter what12:34
asacgnomefreak: -g doesn't work anymore ... try12:34
asacgdb /usr/lib/firefox-3*/firefox12:34
asacrun12:34
gnomefreakdue to ff-3?12:34
asacyes12:35
asacgdb /usr/lib/firefox-3*/firefox 2>&1 | tee /tmp/gdb-firefox.log12:35
asac(gdb) run12:35
asacif that work please update the wiki12:35
gnomefreakit is kind of12:35
gnomefreaki need to kill it and cant :(12:36
gnomefreakok lets try this again12:37
gnomefreakits much much slower12:40
gnomefreaksectech: i still cant reproduce this bug with or without gdb12:41
gnomefreakok refresh #10 going to walk away with htis running and try in a minute12:42
gnomefreakthat cant be good12:42
sectechgnome the only change I made to re-produce this bug was by installing the mozilla-plugin-vlc package12:44
sectechyou restart firefox and go to the reporters webpage and it crashes...12:44
gnomefreakthat could be why i couldnt reproduce i thought i had it installed12:47
gnomefreakasac: im thinking lets hold off on sunbird for intrepid until gcc-4.3 gets fixed and in repos that leaves us one less spin although for PPA hardy it doesnt matter we can turn PPA into backport HArdy12:51
sectechHere is a question for the rest of the triagers....  Do you guys/gals set a limit for yourself on how many bugs you triage a day?12:52
mvobdmurray: could you please verify #157763 - it seems to collect duplicates and the week is over so it would be nice to get it into -updates :)12:52
gnomefreaksectech: some days all day some days just email worth it all depedns on what i have to do that day12:52
gnomefreaksectech: its open site and just keep refreshing right? no need to click on anything?12:53
gnomefreakgot it12:53
sectechgnomefreak,  You just need to refresh12:53
gnomefreaknot helpful but got it12:53
sectechawesome! (that you were able to reproduce it)12:53
gnomefreak0xb7cb9246 in vfprintf () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.612:54
gnomefreakgood call looks like a dup of other bug but lets wait until i upload backtrace and ask asac what he thinks :)12:54
sectechOkay sounds good...12:54
sectechI gotta run for a little while... I'll be back later this evening12:55
gnomefreakasac: im heading out to do yard work can you please check bug 227055 and post if you agree to it being dup i added everything on the bug that should be needed. ill fix wiki a bit later today13:00
gnomefreaklater13:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 227055 in vlc "VLC seems to cause Firefox-3.0 to crash repeatedly" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22705513:00
YahudaHi.13:02
Yahudadoes anyone get ATI restricted driver freezes?13:02
YahudaOr something?13:02
YahudaLike that...13:02
i4xhi everyone!!13:07
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i4xppl, I think I found a bug while trying to print!!13:36
qenseok!13:36
qenseplease tell! :)13:36
i4xbut I don't know if that is a bug in system-config-printer or in evince!...13:37
i4xdo evince use system-config-printer-gnome settings to print?13:38
i4xor does it use its own printing configuration?13:38
seb128describe your issue rather13:39
seb128those questions are not really clear13:39
seb128the printers are configured in cupsys, system-config-printer is an interface to do the configuration13:40
i4ximagine a pdf file with 30 pages!13:40
seb128evince uses gtkprint which uses cupsys13:40
qenseare the hugday-tools integrated in the five-a-day applet?13:42
i4xwhen I was using Gutsy, I always opened the file with the evince and when printing 4 pages per side it always printed well oriented!!13:42
i4xafter update to Hardy it started to print 4 pages per side with a bad orientation!13:43
i4xin system-config-printer, I have it like I had before..13:44
i4x..and I've the same configurations in evince>File>'Print' and 'Print Setup' !!13:46
seb128i4x: I think there is some such bugs open already, maybe try if you have the same issue using other applications, gtk-demo, gedit, etc13:47
i4xI c!13:47
i4xbut is there any other program to print pdf files?13:48
i4xany program that uses other way to print than evince!13:49
* thekorn waves14:14
thekornhappy hugday14:14
IulianHey thekorn, happy hug day!14:18
thekornhowdy Iulian14:19
Iulianthekorn: Well, I'm not feeling so good today...14:22
Iulianqense: Today is your birthday, am I right?14:23
thekornIulian, ooch :( I'm sorry to hear this14:23
qenseiulian: yes you're right14:24
qense:)14:24
thekornqense, HAPPY BIRTHDAY14:24
qensethanks!14:24
Iulianthekorn: Don't worry. I will be better soon.14:24
qensehappy hug day14:24
Iulianqense: Happy birthday!14:24
thekornphew14:25
qenseis hugday-tools integrated in five-a-day-applet?14:26
thekornqense, +1 for a meeting/discussion on "don't touch my bugs..."14:26
thekornno14:26
qensethekorn: how did you read that? :P14:26
IulianML?14:26
qensedid I post it there?14:26
thekorn12:16qenseI think ti would be the best if we would arrange a meeting about this14:27
qenseah, complete with spelling mistakes :)14:27
qenseyes, that's what I said here earlier today14:27
qenseirclog.ubuntu.com probably14:27
thekornexactly!14:27
Iulianlogs*14:27
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bdmurraymvo: sure, I'll do that today.  I was looking at a couple of others w/o test cases.16:04
bddebianBoo16:09
ograbee16:11
bddebian:)16:12
mvobdmurray: I'm currently adding test-cases were I see them missing, unfortunately some are pretty difficult16:16
bdmurraymvo: okay, I believe 222895 was one of the ones I was looking at and it has one now - thanks!16:18
danagecan someone help me triage this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/19754916:24
qensebdmurray: did you read my suggestions to have a meeting/discussions somewhere in IRCland about the recent 'don't touch dev's bugs' thing?16:26
bdmurrayqense: no, I haven't seen that16:27
qenseI think we should do that16:31
qensethere are some problems with it altely16:31
qenseand it can cause iritation, and we should have a friendly contact with the development team :)16:31
bdmurrayOkay, and you think a meeting would be the best forum?16:35
qensewell, a mailist dicussion would be a bit tricky since all teams ahve different lists16:37
qense(sorry if I react a bit late, there are visitors here ;) )16:38
hggdhqense: is this relating to the recent thread in the devel maillist?16:38
bdmurrayI'll be at going to UDS real soon so we, the bugsquad could talk about it, and I bring up our concerns there16:39
bdmurrays/bring/could bring/16:39
qenseyes16:40
qensethat would be ok I think16:41
qenseI've got to go, bye!16:42
mrooneybdmurray: did you get my email about the bugcontrol applications?16:43
mrooneyI can't seem to reply to them since mrooney+bugcontrol@gmail.com is where they go, but the replies come from just mrooney@gmail.com16:44
HewusBug 200061 wants to change the official xsane logo to something else. Is that a legitimate request that should be passed on upstream, or should it be marked invalid?16:48
ubottuLaunchpad bug 200061 in xsane "xsane icon has nothing to do with scanning" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20006116:48
mrooneyHewus: I don't know, it is a legitimate complaint at least, it seems like something Ubuntu wouldn't fix as we wouldn't want to subvert applications' icons16:50
bdmurrayHewus: it's not something we, Ubuntu, would change and I personally wouldn't forward it.  If the reporter is concerned about it they could.16:50
PiciCould it be something for the artwork team to concider for a new icon? rather than be assigned to xsane itself?16:51
mrooneyPici: you would want xsane to at least approve first right? as in ask them if they would consider using a new icon if one was developed?16:51
mrooneythen if they agree a new icon could be appropriate, proceed and perhaps send it upstream16:52
Picimrooney: I have no idea what the policy is for icons, but I know I've seen application icons change across icon sets.  I'm just brainstorming outloud here.16:52
mrooneyPici: yeah I don't either, I was just doing the same :)16:53
Hewusmrooney, bdmurray: I'll mark it as invalid then, and put some note about contacting upstream if they're unhappy.16:53
Hewusthanks16:53
bdmurrayThank you for helping out!16:53
Hewusbdmurray: No worries. I just joined bugsquad a couple of days ago, and I'm having a lot of fun :-)16:54
mrooneybdmurray: should I ping you later about the email or did you just miss my above question?16:55
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bdmurraymrooney: yes I got your mail, I've no idea why you can't reply to them the launchpad mailing list stuff is a new feature16:57
mrooneybdmurray: oh okay, I assumed it was because the list isn't open to everyone, only people who are members/subscribed, and since my reply address is different than my subscribed address, it rejected them16:57
bdmurraymrooney: that sounds probablye16:58
bdmurrayer probable16:58
mrooneybdmurray: do you still want my responses to the applications by replying directly to you, or should I not reply to any until I can send to the list?16:59
bdmurraymrooney: try replying to the list there is a new moderation feature that I wan to test17:00
mrooneysure thing, will do17:00
mrooneylunch time, thanks for your response!17:00
Yasumotohey guys, I'm trying to set up editmoin so I can work with the hugday wiki page, but I'm getting this error:17:25
YasumotoYou are not allowed to edit this page.17:25
Yasumotoerror: body information not found17:25
Yasumotogoogle isn't really turning up much info, and I've set up my .moin_ids file with http://wiki.ubuntu.com yasumoto17:25
pedro_Yasumoto: ah that's why17:27
pedro_http://labix.org/editmoin#head-bc4a29be70afe1fe227646902d398890d0a75f01 <- look there17:27
pedro_if you use firefox you have to go to preferences -> privacy -> show cookies and search for the one of wiki.ubuntu.com17:28
Yasumotoohh, thanks a bunch17:30
Yasumotolemme try it out and see what happens17:30
pedro_you're welcome17:31
pedro_sure17:31
pochuYasumoto: editmoin's manpage explains it too, have you looked at it?17:33
Yasumotoyeah, but I skimmed over the "http authentication" part, and just focused on the "url id pairs" section above :/17:33
Yasumotooh, I get it now17:36
Yasumotocool, thanks a lot guys17:36
sectechIs there a webpage that tells what package is in what repository?17:42
bdmurraysectech: What do you mean?17:42
sectechsomeone posted a bug saying they couldn't access java6 because it wasn't in the repository... I wanted to quote what one it was in17:43
hggdhsectech: probably http://packages.ubuntu.com17:43
bdmurraysectech: you could try using rmadison to find it17:43
bdmurraysomething like 'rmadison -u ubuntu sun-java6-bin'17:44
sectechOh.. never mind, I found it... right click on the package in Synaptic and go to properties :P17:44
bdmurrayrmadison is useful because it shows every release too17:44
sectechahh ok... didn't know about that one17:45
Yasumotowhoa, rmadison is awesome17:46
Yasumotothanks bdmurray17:46
sectechCould someone review bug #227399 and tell me what your opinion is....  I'm not sure if that should be triaged as a bug or not...17:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 227399 in ubuntu "System policy authentication dialog showing junk commas" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22739917:57
bdmurraysectech: that sounds like a duplicate to me17:57
sectechI'll find the appropriate duplicate to attach it to....17:58
bdmurraylook at policykit bugs17:58
sectechokay17:58
sectechIs that the package it should be assigned to? What I'll do is assign it,  and mark it as a duplicate when I find an older report17:59
copyofjohanhi, after resume from hibernate all other six ttys are just white. found #129910, but that bug is not exactly what happens to me. I dont use a vga= boot-option. Should I file a new bug or wait for the fix?18:05
mrooneybug 12991018:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 129910 in linux "Blank ttys when using vesafb (vga=xxx)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/12991018:07
sectechbdmurray,  Can you wishlist bug#22741118:09
bdmurrayon the phone at the moment18:09
bdmurrayI'll look shortly18:09
sectechokay18:09
mrooneycopyofjohan: those all say fix released, that means if you are updated and still have the issue it is a different bug, unless you are running an older version. what is your ubuntu version?18:10
copyofjohan8.04 updated18:12
copyofjohanuptodate18:12
copyofjohanwhich information should I attach?18:12
copyofjohanmrooney: which information should I attach? and against which packages should I file the bug?18:21
copyofjohanuswsusp?18:22
mrooneycopyofjohan: sorry, I am not knowledgeable in that regard, I would file a new bug, mentioning the other bugs it seems similar but not a duplicate of, and attach whatever you think is appropriate18:24
mrooneycopyofjohan: when a knowledgeable triager comes along he or she can remove unneeded attachments or ask for needed ones18:25
copyofjohanok, thanks18:26
mrooneycopyofjohan: no problem, thanks for contributing!18:27
bdmurraysectech: I'd prefer the bug was not new before setting the importance18:39
danageok i found out 2 other bugs were related to mine and marked them as duplicates. now, this makes for a significant number of reports- does someone want to look into this/triage? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez-utils/+bug/17574318:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 175743 in kdebluetooth "Bluetooth Mouse looses connection after some time of inactivity" [Undecided,Confirmed]18:41
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noelferreiramy keyboard keys sometimes get stuck and other times don't work. Anyone knows about this huge bug : http://pastebin.com/m78e61aa419:33
james_wthanks pedro_19:42
pedro_james_w: you're welcome19:42
bdmurrayjames_w: hi!19:43
james_whi bdmurray19:43
andre___pedro_!!!!19:52
pedro_andre___: dude!19:53
andre___:-*19:53
pedro_;-*19:53
andre___http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=531670 - we get billions of them.19:53
ubottuGnome bug 531670 in BugBuddyBugs "Evolution Mail and Calendar: After upgrade to Ub untu..." [Normal,Unconfirmed]19:53
andre___why does ubuntu do this? :)19:53
pedro_oh oh not me seb did it :-P19:54
andre___and why do you share the room with lool instead of me, honey?!19:54
andre___ah, ok. seb to blame. good, good! </evil-grin>19:54
affluxgood day19:54
andre___is there an ubuntu downstream bug about this?19:54
pedro_andre___: because you snore like a bear :-P19:55
pedro_yeah i remember one let me search it19:55
pwnguinandre___: about spamming gnome bugzilla or a broken send/ receive?19:55
pedro_hey afflux19:55
andre___pedro_, shit, who told you? did you listen all night long on my door at last guadec?!19:56
andre___pwnguin, if in doubt: both!!19:56
secretlondonyou guys at uds?19:56
pwnguinis USD now?19:57
ompaulno19:57
pwnguinerr19:57
pwnguinUDS19:57
gnomefreak19th19:57
gnomefreakiirc19:57
ompaulstill no19:57
pwnguinthats' a bit early19:57
ompaulgnomefreak, correct19:57
gnomefreak:)19:57
pwnguinis there a reason bug #137686 isn't marked fix released?19:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 137686 in linux "[hardy] [gutsy] [regression] (regression from edgy to feisty and to gutsy) tifm_sd module not working and not producing any message in logs" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/13768619:57
gnomefreakpwnguin: eas it fixed?19:57
gnomefreaks/eas/was19:58
pwnguinit is19:58
pwnguin"works for me"19:58
gnomefreakfor gutsy and hardy than mark it fix released if it has been already19:58
ograandre___, thats the grand masterplan to automatically avoid all subsequent bugs19:58
pwnguinits' been declined for gutsy19:58
gnomefreaki have no X atm but i read it earlier and didnt see gutsy declined19:59
gnomefreaki dont htink19:59
pwnguinI thought fix committed / released was an automatic thing though19:59
pwnguin Declined  for Gutsy  by Henrik Nilsen Omma19:59
andre___ogra: i must admit i like that idea. :-)19:59
ograheh :)19:59
gnomefreakpwnguin: only if the changelog has lp: #1111120:00
gnomefreak1 = bug number20:00
ograyou only have to stick to that single one and regulary mark it wontfix once a week :)20:00
bdmurraypwnguin: I'd do some research before marking it as Fix Released20:00
pwnguintoo late20:00
* pwnguin blames gnomefreak20:00
* gnomefreak hasnt seen Henrik in a month20:01
pwnguindid he quit ubuntu or something?20:01
gnomefreaknot that i know of20:01
bdmurrayYou'll see him more in #ubuntu-testing I think20:01
pedro_andre___:  nobody told me, I've hear you from downstairs!20:01
bdmurrayHe'll be at UDS20:01
* gnomefreak broke intrepid already20:02
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pwnguinso if it's only fixed for hardy, should I leave the bug open for gutsy, even if it's been declined?20:05
gnomefreakpwnguin: first find out why it was declided20:05
bdmurraypwnguin: Why do you think it is open for Gutsy?20:05
pwnguinbecause the title says gutsy?20:06
pedro_andre___: bug 22605120:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 226051 in evolution "Evolution 2.22.1 won't sent/receive email. Icon is gray, F9 does not do anything. Internet connection works." [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22605120:06
pedro_point him to that one please20:06
bdmurraypwnguin: okay, but the linux-source-2.6.22 task, which is the gutsy kernel, is marked as Won't fix20:06
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bdmurrayThe title isn't really indicative of open tasks20:07
gnomefreaki would think its a bit late for kernel upgrade for gutsy for one issue20:07
pwnguinmost likely20:08
bdmurrayRight, and that is why the bug is set to "Won't Fix" for the gutsy kernel20:09
pwnguinbdmurray: won't fix isn't the same as fix released however, by my layman's reading of the words20:09
gnomefreakso its fixed released for hardy and wont fix for gutsy the bug shouldnt be open20:09
gnomefreakpwnguin: wont fix == wont fix the issue20:09
gnomefreakgutsy is EOS in OCT right?20:10
pwnguinwhat?20:10
bdmurraygnomefreak: no, that would be feisty20:10
gnomefreakno20:10
gnomefreakapril of 0920:10
gnomefreakah forgot about feisty20:11
andre___pedro_, thanks for the link20:22
pedro_you're welcome20:23
noelferreiramy keyboard keys sometimes get stuck and other times don't work. Anyone knows about this huge bug : http://pastebin.com/m78e61aa420:40
bdmurrayis it a USB or PS2 keyboard?20:41
secretlondonthere was an old keys get stuck down bug20:43
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noelferreiramy keyboard keys sometimes get stuck and other times don't work. Anyone knows about this huge bug : http://pastebin.com/m78e61aa421:22
noelferreiramy keyboard keys sometimes get stuck and other times don't work. Anyone knows about this huge bug : http://pastebin.com/m78e61aa422:01
bdmurraynoelferreira: did you see my question(s) from earlier?22:01
noelferreirabdmurray, laptop keyboard22:02
noelferreirabdmurray, sorry haven't seen it before22:02
bdmurrayand it isn't just one key that doesn't work but all of them is that right?22:03
noelferreirai am not sure bdmurray. how can i confirm that?22:04
noelferreirakeycode 240 ? bdmurray22:04
noelferreirawhich one is22:05
noelferreira?22:05
bdmurraykeycode 240 sounds like a specific key to me22:05
noelferreirachecking my dmesg seems to be only that one22:05
bdmurraydoes your keyboard have any multimedia keys?22:05
noelferreiraemail, internet browser adn a searching key22:06
bdmurrayHow do you normally resolve the issue?22:11
yuriyis thursday's hug day for just network-manager or including network-manager-applet/knetworkmanager?22:13
noelferreirabdmurray, in fact i don't know22:13
noelferreirafirst i disable acpi22:13
noelferreiradidn't work22:14
noelferreirathen i tried to change my locales22:14
noelferreirai thought it worked but then happened again22:14
noelferreirai change also the xorg.conf and SCIM input but nothing22:14
noelferreirait stills happen time to tim22:14
noelferreiranow it's ok :)22:15
noelferreirahowever my ctrl key doesn't work for selecting multiple files22:15
noelferreirapress ctrl key and select files with left mouse key doesn't work22:16
secretlondonjcastro: you are working on relations with upstream?22:16
jcastrosecretlondon: that's me, what's up22:17
bdmurraynoelferreira: hmm, I'm not sure what's going on then22:17
secretlondonjcastro: with my tux4kids hat on we are having problems again with rosetta and Ubuntu's translations of our software22:17
jcastrosecretlondon: i'm about to step out to a dinner engagement, could you send me your concerns over email? I can look at it first thing tomorrow.22:19
jcastrojorge (at) ubuntu.com22:19
secretlondonjcastro: sure thanks22:19
jcastrosecretlondon: since you say "problems again" if you could note past problems you've had that would be helpful22:20
secretlondonjcastro: sure22:20
secretlondonI think we get forgotten as we are neither gnome nor kde22:21
secretlondonif we are in a family it's the dsl one22:21
secretlondonsd;22:21
secretlondonsdl22:21
jcastrosecretlondon: don't worry, I won't forget you!22:21
secretlondonjcastro :D22:22
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noelferreirabdmurray, do you have one idea?22:25
bdmurraynoelferreira: not really22:28
sectechDoes xubuntu use adept?22:57
sectechbug #227403 ...22:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 227403 in ubuntu "java6 bin is uninstallable in Xubuntu 8.04" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22740322:58
pwnguinisn't adept a kde thing?22:58
sectechJeeze I need to get some VM's working so I can try and reproduce some of the non-ubuntu bugs.22:58
bdmurraysectech: what virtual machine software are you using?22:59
sectechbdmurray, If I was to install one I would have used vitualbox...22:59
sectechI think in order to triage properly I'll need a couple of VMs so I can test myself...23:00
sectechYesterday went well... today I have a couple bugs that I don't know how to proceed on...23:00
bdmurrayYou can install adept w/o pulling in too much other stuff23:01
sectechtrue, I just don't want to screw up my main system....23:01
bdmurrayyeah, you could end up with a mess of a system like me23:02
bdmurrayand that's no good23:02
sectechHe can't scroll down to hit accept on the java agreement... I don't know if he is just not clicking on the right window or if it's a bug...23:03
sectechhmm....  I'll leave it alone until I can test it myself...23:03
bdmurraysectech: I can test it23:04
sectechbdmurray,  I appreciate it, thank you...23:04
bdmurrayWell, I'm not sure how helpful it is but using adept in Ubuntu it wasn't a problem23:08
sectechbdmurray, someone would have noticed that far sooner if it was a common occurrence...  I'll keep investigating...23:13
sectechI guess there is a possibility just because it isn't common something isn't there...23:13
sectechI know cody-sommerville (the project leader) personally,  he hasn't mentioned anything about this23:14
sectechCould someone review bug #227397 and provide your opinion?  This screams out nvidia graphics card problem to me rather then openoffice...23:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 227397 in openoffice.org "titlebar in openoffice gets pink while printing" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22739723:31
sectechOnce I get more information from the reporter I was going to re-assign it to nvidia-glx-new23:33
sectechdepending on what I see23:33

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